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<v Speaker 1>To lose, finally got another win, this time at Hull.

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<v Speaker 1>The Leeds and Waky match was far from dull. Wigan

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<v Speaker 1>got back to winning ways. Warrington continue in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that pays. Saint Helen's aren't too far off the mark Huddersfield.

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<v Speaker 1>They might be appointing a shark. Welcome to the twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Super League three sixty, a podcast primarily about

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<v Speaker 1>the top tier of British rugby league, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>about poetry, the other levels of rugby league and John's

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Paris. My name is Lee Addison.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is John Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>We're recording this late because John was having vacaunts, as

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<v Speaker 1>they call it in France. In France, he was in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>How was it, mate? And were you there to prep

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<v Speaker 1>to lose? Is that why they beat Hull?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, I definitely wasn't there for that. Just a

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<v Speaker 2>little spoiling of my daughter overseas holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>And how was it? Did you have a good time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had a great time, packed a lot in

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of Pane chocolar and chroisssen begets. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the weather was great.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, I mean I've not been to parish

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. I've been a couple of times

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<v Speaker 1>and loved it, but I would imagine it's even better

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<v Speaker 1>now after the Olympics. Olympics there recently, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things will have been upgraded, so it would be would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a great experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hadn't been for I think twenty years. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really remember it, but as my sort of daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>most properly first overseas trip, so she loved all the

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<v Speaker 2>touristy staff and as there's so much to say him

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<v Speaker 2>do in Paris, but no rugby league. Did watch a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of rugby on TV in the hotel, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was there was no rugby league in Paris, but

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<v Speaker 2>it will be in in a what mid June, sixth

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<v Speaker 2>of June, I think when when Catalans play Wigan in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a coach in Australia and also the host of

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<v Speaker 1>a few other podcasts, including the Rugby League Coach podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and a guest on the Zero Tackle Loose Carry podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>John a journalist in the UK, but as you can tell,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got on Australian accent and if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>know a bit more about us, read the intro in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the comments in the podcast, or listen to

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<v Speaker 1>some old ones. This podcast is being aired or on

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<v Speaker 1>the Rugby League Coach podcast platforms asty Rugby League platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's definitely on the Rugby League Coach YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 1>two and thank you once again to Rugby League dot

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<v Speaker 1>Com for taking it. So John, I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>educating you this weekend because I bet you've not seen

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. So because both of us we were reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on on Super League and we both neither of us

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<v Speaker 1>were in the country where the games were played. So

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<v Speaker 1>Leeds Rhino's the top on sixteen points and they are

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<v Speaker 1>leveled with Saint Helens who were in second with sixty points.

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<v Speaker 1>Warrington in third with fourteen, but they've played a game less,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could almost argue those three teams are on

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<v Speaker 1>or on even Steven's there. Hulkingston Rovers now in fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>they've really recovered. They're on twelve. Wigan Warrior's got to

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<v Speaker 1>win and they're on twelve, but they've played one more

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<v Speaker 1>game than k Are and Warrington. Wakefield are in sixth

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<v Speaker 1>on and they've played ten games are on twelve. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else has played ten games. Lee and seventh with ten points,

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<v Speaker 1>Catalans eight ten points, Hull left c ninth on eight points. York,

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<v Speaker 1>Bradford and Toulouse and Castleford are all on six points

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<v Speaker 1>in that order. Luddersfield Giants propping up the table on

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<v Speaker 1>four points. It's a table starting to make a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more sense. Now, John, do you think I think?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>You think? Sorry? Sorry? Does it? I'll ask the question better?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it flex the standards of the team?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit better?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Let me just says the first and not

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<v Speaker 2>to be too anal but I was in France where

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<v Speaker 2>Catalans and Lee were playing, so was in a country

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Yeah, of course, you know for the for

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<v Speaker 2>the point of accuracy.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard, I've heard you can be quite anal job.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got through to the keeper. Yeah, I do,

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<v Speaker 2>I do, I do. Lee. Look, I think while there

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<v Speaker 2>has you know, well, the years, there's always generally been

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<v Speaker 2>probably eighteen that's maybe sprung up, you know, more recently,

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<v Speaker 2>probably the last three four years, it's been whole car

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<v Speaker 2>and Lee and Wakefield have obviously sprung up since being

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<v Speaker 2>being promoted. But generally we have seen the mate that

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<v Speaker 2>the same teams in the top six top eight region

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I think there is at least I mean

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<v Speaker 2>generally there's probably like three mini leagues, but there's probably

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<v Speaker 2>at least a good two. When we look at the

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<v Speaker 2>chunk of say Huddersfield casts Bradford York to lose, you

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<v Speaker 2>might be able to throw someone else in there. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, you've got teams that are either pushing

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<v Speaker 2>at the very top or pushing for the six. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the very top what we've got leads Saint Helen's Warrenton,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and not that far behind obviously, whole car

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<v Speaker 2>building a lot of momentum. Wiggan still up and the

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<v Speaker 2>rounds there, Lea, you're building some momentum now I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how many Wednesdays and the bounces at three. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we are seeing a bit of I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say normalcy, but maybe maybe some more consistency. What

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<v Speaker 2>we're around ten, so we're coming up to halfway through

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<v Speaker 2>the year the season. Yeah, I think I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>some point is to form. We're still seeing some unpredictable

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<v Speaker 2>results and I think that's a good thing, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that goes to show that, you know, realistically, anyone

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<v Speaker 2>can you know if they perform on the day, either

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<v Speaker 2>that our parents are a little bit off ul you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some decisions got away. They can get a result and

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<v Speaker 2>you know you look at to loose what was that

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<v Speaker 2>seven games? I think they'd lost a row and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a gritty, big result, a surprise, the result beating holf.

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<v Speaker 1>C in home.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think to answer your question in a

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<v Speaker 2>long rounded.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, yes, no comment. Lee's laugh this week again this

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<v Speaker 1>is Super League three sixty, but we do talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of an RL. But what I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>say does impact the Super League because the P and

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<v Speaker 1>G are coming into the competition and they're on tax

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<v Speaker 1>three dollars and the first signing of announces your own

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<v Speaker 1>blue Eye, and the second signing that will probably announce

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<v Speaker 1>is the greatest tri scorer in Australian rugby league history.

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<v Speaker 1>So my laugh is about the meltdown from everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>because they've signed Blueye, as if as if that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen, as if somebody, as if they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to sign anyone. I think the reaction action has

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<v Speaker 1>been that somebody's outsmarted them. And because it's Jerome Leueye

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<v Speaker 1>and because of the impact that will have on potential

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<v Speaker 1>other signings, I think the league is in panic mode.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what does this mean for Super League? Well, we've

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<v Speaker 1>already talked about the problems with the lower echelons of

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<v Speaker 1>Super League for those who didn't tune in to after

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<v Speaker 1>the hooter on Friday, I decided to launch into some

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<v Speaker 1>statistics about how many of our lower sides and the

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<v Speaker 1>Super League are struggling in terms of score lines now

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<v Speaker 1>and the big dip in April, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that comes down to injuries, but also it comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to caliber of players already in the Super League. There

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<v Speaker 1>is so many There are so many players that are

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<v Speaker 1>of Queensland Cup or New South Wales Cup standard in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>or they've played at best one or two NRL games

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<v Speaker 1>and they are prominent players in Super League clubs. That's

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<v Speaker 1>before we add Perth and PNG to the mix. And

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<v Speaker 1>again I don't want I'm not being wise. After the

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<v Speaker 1>event here on the Ashes Rugby League pod that we

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<v Speaker 1>did before this and this Super League pod, we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this. This is going to have a massive impact

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<v Speaker 1>on Super League because some of the better players that

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<v Speaker 1>may have come to Super League, so Louie will see

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<v Speaker 1>out his career now at PNG. You would imagine some

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<v Speaker 1>other players who are coming into the sunset of their

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<v Speaker 1>careers might consider going to PNG for a year or

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<v Speaker 1>two instead they used to go to Super League. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they can go to PNG for some tax three dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and really make their fortune for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Lee's laugh. But it's all sold a warning

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<v Speaker 1>shot to the Super League because they're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>the dregs of all this. So there's now if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about all these state league players that are looking

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<v Speaker 1>for opportunities in Super League, well there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>two brand new franchises that are playing in the Australian competition,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're even less likely to come to Super League.

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<v Speaker 2>Now yeah, yeah, And you mentioned Perth and they never

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<v Speaker 2>already signed what for England Internationals And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>put out, you know, a video of Chris Radlinsky's comments

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about a feeder league, and that upset quite

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<v Speaker 2>a few people. But the fact is it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>feeder league in the sense that all the English players

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<v Speaker 2>are going to go to the NRL. They're just cherry

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<v Speaker 2>picked the best ones, so the England internationals, so you know, generally,

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<v Speaker 2>apart from the foreigners, the best players in Super League

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<v Speaker 2>are those who are picked for the England team or

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<v Speaker 2>in contention for the England team, like we say Jake Connor.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it'll be the same with P and G

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<v Speaker 2>in the same that I think they'll sign and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have any inside information, but I imagine they will

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<v Speaker 2>sign some of the clueals who are playing in super

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<v Speaker 2>League and at a lone of Broncos now and that

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<v Speaker 2>will then again weekend super League in the English game

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<v Speaker 2>because players are going to go where the opportunities but

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<v Speaker 2>also where the money is now, super League will still

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<v Speaker 2>get some but we've seen this this season or last

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<v Speaker 2>season and the fact that there's no foreign quota in

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<v Speaker 2>the championship. So you could say, for example, Oldham they

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<v Speaker 2>could rock out with you know, seventeen Australians if they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to. They probably couldn't afford to do that, but

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<v Speaker 2>well particularly they couldn't afford to it at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>as they're own stepping away. But we'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>in a minute. You know that just doesn't help the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of development or pathways in the English game. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think because participation in the mail game has been

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<v Speaker 2>dropping for some time and the pathways, the development systems

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<v Speaker 2>have not been invested in, they've not been supported. There's

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<v Speaker 2>been really no strategy to change that. This is all interconnected,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. It's not single factor. All these factors work together.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that the publicity, the national profile of rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league in the UK has fallen off the map that

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<v Speaker 2>then affects the grassroots because less kids are turning up

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<v Speaker 2>to play at under tens or under elevens, and then

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<v Speaker 2>then less kids make that step from you know, fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen sixteen to scholarship and their academy, and then there

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<v Speaker 2>are less kids to pick from when you know when

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<v Speaker 2>they want to turn professional. So it all feeds into

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<v Speaker 2>each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the message isn't loud and clear to the

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<v Speaker 1>English Super League side, develop your own youngsters, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be less and less ausies for you to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up on. And also some of your better youngsters

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<v Speaker 1>go off to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think and I think that the counterpoint

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<v Speaker 2>tens and elevens. We need to you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing with touch football in England. You know it's run

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<v Speaker 2>essentially by rugby union, and that is you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was created by rugby league. It's rugby league without kicking

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<v Speaker 2>and tackling. It's much more like rugby league than is

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<v Speaker 2>used as a vehicle to get kids playing, to build skills,

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<v Speaker 2>introduce contact. But that's another development tool that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just been laid to waste or ignored in England. But

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<v Speaker 2>we need to get more people playing generally and then

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<v Speaker 2>we also at the same time we need to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in those scholarship academy in those pathways and then you

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<v Speaker 2>know we'll have more in a professional game. But it

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<v Speaker 2>is a pyramid, isn't it, And we're not really feeling

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<v Speaker 1>The Rugby League tweet of the week and your tweet

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<v Speaker 1>of the week I think was what you said was

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<v Speaker 1>an exclusive on Daniel Holdsworth potentially becoming the Huddersfield Jounce coach.

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<v Speaker 1>What if you got to tell us about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So to get I'm got to tip off on

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<v Speaker 1>So I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe he's the number one candidate to get the job.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think an appointment has been made yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's he's in line to get the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Holdsworth obviously uh former Salford holl f C player, hope

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<v Speaker 2>for the Doggies, played for St. George l Ware and

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<v Speaker 2>I think Ranala. I don't know Daniel personally, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard he's, you know, good coach, decent guy. He did

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<v Speaker 2>apply for the cast job last year, didn't get that,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been in the lower grades and with the

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<v Speaker 2>first grade at Cronala for I think about a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's going to be well. As we saw

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<v Speaker 2>in the weekend, another loss, it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he'll come this year or do you

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<v Speaker 1>think he'll see out the here on Cronol or if

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good question. I'm not sure. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think they probably would would let him go.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they've got Steve Price in there as an

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<v Speaker 2>French rugby union Yeah, yeah, the French connection. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think, like with Josh Hannay, they would.

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<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't stand in his way of furthering his career.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean that Huddersfield got They sacked Luke

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson in March, so it's been a good two months.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Liam Finn got those first two wins and

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head it might be three

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<v Speaker 2>losses now in a row, maybe more. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Haddersfield. We talked a lot about Haddersfield on this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast somewhere. They've got a lot of issues off the field,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stadium, fan base, who's running the club. We

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<v Speaker 2>could just go on and on. They're not They're unleashed,

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<v Speaker 2>so hopefully hopefully Holdsworth can get them off the leash

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<v Speaker 2>and improving on the field for.

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<v Speaker 1>Those of you not watching. And I was smiling a

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<v Speaker 1>very big, cheesy grin because he said unleashed Johnny's job

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<v Speaker 1>this week I've gone with for you because you just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't tell me what your job is now, so

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<v Speaker 1>I just decide which one is The Sport Journalism Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think it's not a job so much.

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<v Speaker 2>But I went down what was it? Well, a week

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<v Speaker 2>ago I was shortlisted for Rugby Journalists of the Year,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a very nice honor, was ending the ipaper

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<v Speaker 2>from my work for them last year. And yeah, went

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<v Speaker 2>down for the awards, which was a great night. They

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<v Speaker 2>played in theater and soho kind of be street. But

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<v Speaker 2>what was surprising for me, and obviously it's a rugby

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<v Speaker 2>union journalist kind of agree, I was the only rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league journalist and I don't from what people told me,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Sports Journalism Association Awards don't really have any

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league and is a little bit surprising. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know Lee, you know you lived in Wigan

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<v Speaker 2>and you're from Salford. If you're in kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league bubble, particularly in the North, you probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily see how the rest of the country views rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league or you know what the state of plays. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've lived in South Yorkshire for well fourteen years and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a rugby league area. It's close to rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league areas, but it's a football area. It's Sheffield and

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<v Speaker 2>iitan Sheffild, Wednesday, Barnsley, Rotherham United, et cetera. And it just, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league has no presence, you know, at those awards

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<v Speaker 2>and really nationally in terms of London. I mean one

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<v Speaker 2>one sports hader said to me, you know, leagues are

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<v Speaker 2>dying sport and that is the view I think from

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<v Speaker 2>Fleet Street. And there was someone else I won't name

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<v Speaker 2>who who was there but used to work in rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league and he was He sort of said to me

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<v Speaker 2>on the night, you know, rugby league needs more of this,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, people in the national sphere and you know, attention,

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<v Speaker 2>but we just we don't have it. So it is

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<v Speaker 2>it is a real concern. And the other part of

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<v Speaker 2>that is because I think people are in the bubble,

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<v Speaker 2>they're quite deluded about where the sport sits in the

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<v Speaker 2>national consciousness.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I saw something the other day that explained some

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons for why the NRL's figures might be up,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's easy and quite lazier thing just to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's because of the way the games played, the faster roucks,

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<v Speaker 1>the more tries, the higher school lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's also been pointed out to me there's four

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<v Speaker 1>million more people in New South Wales and Queensland than

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<v Speaker 1>when the NRL started in nineteen ninety. It's also been

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out to me there's one and a half million

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<v Speaker 1>more Foxtel subscribers than five years ago. So any any

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<v Speaker 1>any boosting in views that they've had via koor or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course we have algorithms. We've got the

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<v Speaker 1>way people consume sports content now so they don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>watch it at the same time as the game being on.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like that, So and algorithms also influence what we consume.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know about you, but on your Instagram account,

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<v Speaker 1>if you click on something twice, next thing you check

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<v Speaker 1>your search and it's just flooded with those things and

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<v Speaker 1>be able to say, it's needless to say all mine

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<v Speaker 1>and museum artifacts and things like that. John on my Instagram, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no skinny club women.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's actually part of the problem though

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<v Speaker 2>in the moral world, is because you you're just in

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<v Speaker 2>your own bubble, aren't you in your own echo chamber?

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, if you're if you're leeh Edison and

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<v Speaker 2>you're into wrestling, then you will get fed wrestling content

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<v Speaker 2>and you won't you know, you won't probably find it

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<v Speaker 2>unless you go out and you know, seek general mainstream news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually harder to find. So I think that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the problem. But on the NRL point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is definitely part of it in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of Foxtel subscribers and population, but it's also that media

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<v Speaker 2>market in Australia which has changed a lot since the

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<v Speaker 2>mid nineties. And I can't remember Super rugby started and

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<v Speaker 2>was massive, you know, it was so popular late nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousands. You know, there was the Rugby World

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<v Speaker 2>Cup in Australia which was big, and rugby league in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia was coming out of Super League War and there

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<v Speaker 2>was still this kind of fragmentation and there wasn't Fox League.

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<v Speaker 2>And since then, you know, with Fox League and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the rise of certain you know, whether it be three

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<v Speaker 2>six NRL three sixty or you know, Triple m's coverage

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<v Speaker 2>is just really a kind of feeding frenzy of media

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<v Speaker 2>and rugby league that helps just push it into the

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness across Australia. And that's really turbo charged things as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was gonna say Channel nine, Channel nine or Foxtel also

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot to promote the sport because it's their

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Channel seven do that with AFL, don't they.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a kind of a they pushed the sport,

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<v Speaker 2>more people watch it, they make more money. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect sort of circle. And the other point, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the Animal did a while ago which was quite smart,

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<v Speaker 2>which was apart from the Independent Commission, was taking over

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<v Speaker 2>touch footy, taking over oz tag and then pushing them

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<v Speaker 2>as safe as forms of the game. And they've really

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<v Speaker 2>invested in the women's game. I mean, what was the

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<v Speaker 2>I watched a fair bit of the women's State of

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<v Speaker 2>Origin on what was the Thursday night, which was a

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<v Speaker 2>very It wasn't the most entertaining game. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>tough and very physical and tight, but didn't have something

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<v Speaker 2>or it was like crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know million was a million I think yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of ratings, I think it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>pushing that. And the other layer just I know this

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<v Speaker 2>is along with the long winded answer, but the other

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<v Speaker 2>layer underneath that, and that's connected to kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>changing content and social media is there's so many independent

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<v Speaker 2>media platforms now in Australian rugby league, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it be Hello Sport or Levels or James Grahame's by

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<v Speaker 2>around like that. Just it's just rugby league content twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four to seven, isn't it? Like you couldn't said this

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<v Speaker 2>to someone the other day about like podcasts and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just another one of eighty billion the rugby league podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>But you couldn't listen to every every podcast or no,

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<v Speaker 2>could you. There's literally not enough time of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>So compare it to I remember when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, Fox League wasn't a thing. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have we didn't have PayTV and even they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't show every game anyway, So you get I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>two out of eight games a week or whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>was on Friday, you get Friday Night Footy, you get

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<v Speaker 2>Someday night fuddy. I used to listen to two GB,

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<v Speaker 2>the Continuous Call team, you know, while I was studying

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know, because I was into Rugulu. But

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<v Speaker 2>now you could just have on your phone. You can

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<v Speaker 2>just have a million different voices and whatever. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>the media market has changed so much alongside that.

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<v Speaker 1>So with this in mind, if the NRL doesn't invest

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<v Speaker 1>in Super League, and you wrote a story last week

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<v Speaker 1>if that doesn't happen, where's the game going to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean I can't I can't say too much

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<v Speaker 2>about who I've been speaking to. But my fear is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think this is quite justified, but my fear

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<v Speaker 2>now looking at it and just go, well, this is

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<v Speaker 2>too This has put this in the too hard basket.

420
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<v Speaker 2>Because Andrew rab Joe and I interviewed him a couple

421
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<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago, it was like, you know, we need unity,

422
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<v Speaker 2>we need everyone to get behind board this and that's

423
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<v Speaker 2>as you really in the UK, that's not the case.

424
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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's owners and clubs against it, there's a

425
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<v Speaker 2>lot of fans against it. There's a lot of fans

426
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<v Speaker 2>for it and a lot of owners for it, but

427
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people more interested about themselves and

428
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.400
<v Speaker 2>their own power than the good of the sport. Now.

429
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<v Speaker 2>If it doesn't happen with the NRL, and I think

430
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<v Speaker 2>that is a real serious fear. I think we're rooted,

431
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and by rooted, that's an Australian expression, screwed, buggered, whatever

432
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you'd like to court, because there needs to be investment

433
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<v Speaker 2>in the sport in the UK and there needs to

434
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<v Speaker 2>be changed and I don't see where that investment comes from.

435
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<v Speaker 2>If it doesn't come from now on, I don't see

436
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<v Speaker 2>where the expertise to actually run robiality comes from. Because

437
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<v Speaker 2>IMG you could say they've improved some things, but it's

438
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.839
<v Speaker 2>not been a resounding success. And the main thing really

439
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<v Speaker 2>is the money side of things. So TV deals on

440
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.920
<v Speaker 2>down club owners are propping up the sport. The governance

441
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:09.200
<v Speaker 2>is an absolute joke. The RFL not fit for purpose.

442
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<v Speaker 2>So if the NRL doesn't put in money and helped

443
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<v Speaker 2>to tell him things around who can in private equity.

444
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't think A is actually credible at this point,

445
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:20.599
<v Speaker 2>and B would not work.

446
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<v Speaker 1>And then that would mean if the NRL did not

447
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, that would be them and Eddie Hearn. That

448
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<v Speaker 1>has taken a look at things and back to way

449
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<v Speaker 1>well Eddie her in quite recent history.

450
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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing with Eddie Hearn is that I think,

451
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<v Speaker 2>you know, what was it five or six years ago,

452
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<v Speaker 2>seven years ago he had a meeting and I think

453
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<v Speaker 2>it was a bit of a face saving me. I

454
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<v Speaker 2>don't really know how credible or deep the talks were,

455
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.440
<v Speaker 2>but he wanted everything. He wanted the whole sport. They

456
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to sort of give him the challenge cup. That

457
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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. He just said, well, you know, that's fine,

458
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<v Speaker 2>and he's made some comments. It's actually really interesting that

459
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<v Speaker 2>recently he's just signed up Henry Pollock and a load

460
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<v Speaker 2>of rugby union players, so he's getting he's really getting

461
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.559
<v Speaker 2>getting the back rugby union. And you can like the Hearns,

462
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>you cannot like them what they do, et cetera, et cetera.

463
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<v Speaker 2>But one thing the Hearns and a Head is very

464
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<v Speaker 2>good at is publicity and making money.

465
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<v Speaker 1>And look what they've done with the darts mate. I mean, yeah,

466
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<v Speaker 1>darts has always been quite a big sport, particularly in

467
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<v Speaker 1>the eighties, but it did drop off the radar somewhat

468
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and now it's back in prominent again. And you know,

469
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<v Speaker 1>Luke Littler could walk down any street in England and

470
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<v Speaker 1>be recognized. I'm not sure Stuart Littler, could you know?

471
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<v Speaker 1>So I know player?

472
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<v Speaker 2>And no yeah, no rugby league player. No, no rugby

473
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<v Speaker 2>league player in the UK of the last ten to

474
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years. Could I mean, maybe Gevin Sinfield on the

475
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 2>back of his charity work, maybe Sam Burgess partly on

476
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the back of his time in rugby union. But yeah,

477
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 2>there is a profile for this, But darts, I just don't.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. Lee. You know, it's fat blokes

479
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 2>throwing you know, a dart on a wall. If that's sport,

480
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>then I'm you know, a monkey's uncle. But that's how

481
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 2>good the Hens are the major to turn into that

482
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 2>into you know, a massive event that makes a ton

483
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<v Speaker 2>of money. Watch gets millions on TV. It's getting you know,

484
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 2>primetime slots on Sky that rugby Lee used to get

485
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get anymore. Yeah, it's it's mad.

486
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, John says, you know band which is low.

487
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 1>John it says your network bandwidth is low. So and

488
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<v Speaker 1>your screen has gone really small, which isn't going to

489
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<v Speaker 1>be good for our YouTube video. So is anything? Is

490
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<v Speaker 1>anybody downloading anything at your house or anything on the.

491
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Business is probably downloading some some dodgy things. But we'll

492
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>ignore that or we can blame, we can blame and brexit.

493
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.039
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I don't think rugby league is

494
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 2>dying in that sense. There will always be a professional

495
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>game in the UK, but it's certainly diminishing and it's

496
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>certainly not growing. And that's the worry from my point

497
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 2>of view, is how sort of the malaise, shall we say,

498
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>is turned around. I'm just going to send you a

499
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 2>picture of what you look like on my screen so

500
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 2>you know I'm not overreacting. No one wants to see

501
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 2>my face anyway.

502
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>It might affect the recording, that's all. Oh you're back,

503
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 1>you're back. George Marsden debuted for Wigan. Tell me about that, John.

504
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, seventeen year old kid made his debut against Bradford.

505
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he had well might have been one crisis,

506
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.799
<v Speaker 2>but he played a hand in setting up a couple

507
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>of tries him and Jack Faramon. I think Jack Forman

508
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>might be twenty, but they were the youngest harvest partnership

509
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>for Wigan for forty one years, since Sean Edwards and

510
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Mike Ford in five and he just looked really, really tidy,

511
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 2>confident kid. It was kind of interesting because you see

512
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Joey Walsh the other day for Menley and this kid,

513
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 2>then you go, oh, the future is bright, but yeah,

514
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 2>really really a sure debut. And then you just look

515
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>at that Wigan team and I know they've had some

516
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>issues this season, but you look at the longer term,

517
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they've got Hopkinson at fullback, They've got

518
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Eccersley on the winger and Satos, they've got Marsden and

519
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Pharamon in halves. They've got Forborough at hooker, and there's

520
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 2>a few other young players around like that. That succession

521
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.200
<v Speaker 2>playing for Wigan his first class in that academy. And

522
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, you've worked at Wigan, you know how they

523
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>do it, and I think they are the best in

524
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>England to do that. And it just goes to show

525
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that there is really there is talent in England and

526
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>there is you know, some real prospects, but we just

527
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>need we need more of them at everything.

528
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>You need to nurture it properly. Look, if it wasn't

529
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 1>for a club like Wigan, and of course you can

530
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>put Leeds, Warrington, Saint Helen's in those brackets too, I'd

531
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>hate to think where the game would be. I mean,

532
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 1>can you imagine how many Wiganers are playing it? All

533
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the Super League sides, other Championship sides, or the Australian sides.

534
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you. I'll give you at the top of

535
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>my head. So you go whole, Kay, are you go

536
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 2>guild Art, Joe Burgess, you go Lee, you go Hanley,

537
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Josh Charley, Jack Hughes. Was it Wigan originally? You go Warrington?

538
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>You've got Sam Powell, You've got Liam Byrne, You Leeds,

539
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>you've got James McDonald. I mean our phenomenal Wigan and yeah,

540
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned camera, you know you've got Smithy's, You've

541
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>got Nicholson. Yeah, it's a phenomenal system. But we need

542
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 2>that replicated across the league, across the country. Yeah, pathways.

543
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we're going circling back to NRL partnership

544
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and what they need to do for the game. The

545
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>wish list of what they need to fix the game

546
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>is massive, so they can't. If it does happen, they can't.

547
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think they understand the same way. Pathways and

548
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>development is.

549
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Huge well left, so you might not have a ground

550
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 1>to play up I read today.

551
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got a kind of message about it. It's

552
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 2>fundly quite an explosive Whole City fans for them, and

553
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I haven't really followed the fortunes of Whole City for

554
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>a while, not since Jackson Irvine played for them and

555
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 2>I went over and interviewed him for a soccer story

556
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>many moons ago. But they don't have the best relationship

557
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Whole City in Whole FC, do they. They don't like

558
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 2>each other and they've shared that ground, I think for

559
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty three years, and Whole's leases up, I believe. I

560
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>think it's the end of next year, and I think

561
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the Whole City really want to piss them off, which

562
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 2>would leave them with a big issue where they play

563
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>in the city, because apart from Craven Park, which I

564
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 2>don't think they'd be allowed to play that, I don't

565
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>know where else they go. So yeah, it's personally. I've

566
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>been to the m k M stadium for many years.

567
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's the greatest thing. I mean, the

568
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.559
<v Speaker 2>press facility is a joke. You're literally in the heavens.

569
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 2>With my poor eye sight, it's hard to body see.

570
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's a concern for them because it's not

571
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>a great stadium setup in that that they share the

572
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>stadium and that whole city seem to have the more dominant,

573
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 2>say in a partnership you look at you know, we

574
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 2>mentioned hardest Field before. It's kind of a similar set

575
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>up with Huddersfield and that now the Huddersfield town have

576
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 2>full control. And I think they're obviously I mean that

577
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>stadium is too big for hord to for Giants, but

578
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>they want them out as well. So stadium thing, stadium

579
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 2>ownership and deals in primacy of tenure is a is

580
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>a very big thing in the sport.

581
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say they could play at the

582
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Circle in Hold, but I think that's the MK state

583
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 1>because the Circle is where some Westfall juniors used to

584
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 1>play and I remember playing one of the toughest games

585
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.759
<v Speaker 1>of a rug the league ever played there. So I

586
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have any answers for them. I'm sorry. Maybe what

587
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>they could do they could get Bill Quinn as chairman

588
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>because he's left all.

589
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Of them our old friend Bill Quinn. Yeah, I guess

590
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 2>we're very be careful because he says he's sick and

591
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>he's standing down and I don't want to challenge and

592
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>say that is incorrect because I don't have any information

593
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>to the contrary. But it is an unusual situation because

594
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.119
<v Speaker 2>he came out with all those videos slagging people off

595
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>and off and is.

596
00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>That the one where he's spoke in the third person

597
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot?

598
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, there was a lot of Bilkins here to

599
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 2>stay and I'm fighting and then how he's going. So look,

600
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know how frank we can be lee.

601
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 2>But it's been a massive Oldham for a couple of months,

602
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, the whole Mike Ford thing stepping away because

603
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 2>they fell out and then yeah, Bill Quinn sort of

604
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>on his rants and alienating everyone, taking the club out

605
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.319
<v Speaker 2>of Boundary Park because he fell out with Oldham Athletic

606
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 2>and sued them or they're in litigation. I think, well,

607
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>what I've been told is that there's two or three

608
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>groups who are looking to take over Oldham. Now I

609
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>think one of them may involve Mike Ford. But I

610
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>haven't had that con so I think in terms of

611
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 2>the long term future, the club should be okay. But

612
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 2>this isn't other case of this kind of mad ego

613
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.359
<v Speaker 2>centric owner who takes over a club and then just

614
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>goes on this kind of Donald Trump like you know,

615
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 2>escapade to rant and rave and basically do whatever they want.

616
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.599
<v Speaker 2>And I think we obviously need wealthy benefactors. I'm not

617
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying we don't, but we also need wealthy

618
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>benefactors or understand like they may own the club, but

619
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 2>without the fans and the players, there is no club.

620
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's more than just a play thing, you know,

621
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 2>for for one individual. And I think you've got to

622
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 2>be conscious of you know, when you go out in

623
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 2>a Facebook live or whatever and you're like having a

624
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>go at your own fans, it's not a great it's

625
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>not a great look. No. So yeah, Bill Quinn, I

626
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 2>understand years ago he had Oldham and then he stepped

627
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>away and and he's come back in and now he

628
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>stepped away. It's yeah, it's a pitiful Never they never disappoints,

629
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't they.

630
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Sheffield Eagals moving ground and the fans aren't happy about that.

631
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<v Speaker 1>I think you mentioned that after the hoot, didn't you

632
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 1>the other day?

633
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was announced last League. I think

634
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the what my understanding is they do and I had

635
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>a story on this couple of months ago, they do

636
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 2>want to move to a site at Woodburn Road, which

637
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>is near at a Cliffe Way, So this seem I

638
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 2>think is a temporary move to john Field. But yeah,

639
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I think the other part of Sheffield is is just

640
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 2>like what is happening with that club, you know, like

641
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>long term the ownership, They don't do interviews, The fans

642
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>are really in the dark, they're not really happy. Crowds

643
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 2>have gone under. It's sort of another club in the championship.

644
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's happening in the championship full stop. I

645
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>mean we've had Wales, We've got also who ended up

646
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 1>in there.

647
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, another one has witnessed. There's a lot of rumors,

648
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, a director stepping away not that long ago,

649
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and about budgets cut for next year. I had another

650
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I had a message while I was away from you know,

651
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 2>another club, just saying, you know about how the seasons

652
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the shambles, the way it's you know, teams are not

653
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 2>playing for three or four weeks. You know, it's just yeah,

654
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.159
<v Speaker 2>it's really fallen off the map. So I think that

655
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>this is another indication, and we talked about in our

656
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>own partnership. Again, excuse me, sorry, I'm just dying over here.

657
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 2>The RFL is talking about a salary cap for the Championship,

658
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 2>and that's all well and good. It definitely needs one,

659
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 2>but it should have had one, you know, ten years ago,

660
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 2>and it should have actually a strategy and actual marketing

661
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>behind it. They can't seem to get a TV deal

662
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>for the Championship, but what they could do is they

663
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 2>could do, okay, every week we're doing I don't know,

664
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a Sunday night game or whatever, and put it on

665
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 2>YouTube and promote it, do it properly. You know that

666
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 2>there's so many things you could do with the Championship

667
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>which they don't do. Yeah. I think there's a lot

668
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 2>of people in the Championship fans, players, owners, et cetera,

669
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>who were just kind of throwing the hands up and saying, what.

670
00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 1>The hell is going on?

671
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Because this this season, you know, what's happen to Feurston, Halifax,

672
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.599
<v Speaker 2>North Wales. You know, I think Barrow had to do

673
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a crowd fund and get their bus to London. I

674
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 2>mean you put all these things together m hm. And

675
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>you know people who will accuse me and you were

676
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>being negative, but you'd have to basically stick fingers in

677
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 2>your in your eyes and in your ears and just

678
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>go la la, la la la, nothing's happening to not

679
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>really just see what's happening, you know.

680
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 1>And when you said you were dying there, John, I

681
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>think that might be the brightness coming from your thing.

682
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>There might be the Lord Almighty calling you up from

683
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the window. The sun is shining, so it might get

684
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>you pull you pull your blind down there. You might

685
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>be getting calls from above. Mate.

686
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>You know. You know what's funnily is actually it's quite overcast.

687
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Right right while you're doing that, I'm going to give

688
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>a shout out from some mates, say in America who

689
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 1>were doing the Rap Pack podcast. So I was involved

690
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 1>with the USA John when it was the original crowd.

691
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>So David knew Bobo who actually used to work with

692
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Mayor Guliani actually who apparently is not very well in

693
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 1>hospital right now. America's Mayor David new Matt Astell, Jeff Preston,

694
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and Marcus vassal Acopolis, a lad not that far from

695
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 1>the parish in which you reside. And they're doing the

696
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.920
<v Speaker 1>rat Pack podcast and they're based in the USA and

697
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>they can find you can find them on rat Pack

698
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Rugby League, rat Cap rat Pack Podcast. I think it

699
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 1>is on Instagram and YouTube and everything else. And they're

700
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>all mutters. They're all mutters. But they were the old

701
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 1>g's Yep, they were They were the ogs. They were

702
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the ones who who made rugby league in America achieved

703
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>some of its greatest things before the Land has even

704
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>thought of going to Las Vegas. Okay, the last round,

705
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:05.599
<v Speaker 1>we'll go backwards because after John visited France to lose,

706
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 1>were inspired to beat Whole FC twelve four. Briscoe was

707
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the only one to score for Whole and they didn't

708
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>even kick the goal. Ash Old Bolt score, ash Old

709
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Bolt scored, Bot scored for is it bot or Bolt?

710
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Ah Holt or Bot? But ash All Bot, who seems

711
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to score every week and I still don't know his name,

712
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 1>cat Or scored the two tries and two goals from

713
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Shoricks and WHOLEFC could have moved into the top half

714
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of the league if they won that, And I guess

715
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 1>there's something to be said there. Well, why did that happen?

716
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good question. I mean the thrash cast

717
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>o the week didn't I they just looked really poor.

718
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean to lose scored, I think after five minutes,

719
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>got that early start game a lot of confidence and

720
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:02.119
<v Speaker 2>they really topped it out. Yeah, but that's a very

721
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>poor I mean it's great for to lose. They get

722
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>their own big big result from them to break down

723
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.280
<v Speaker 2>losing Street. But yeah, a bit pretty embarrassing for ALLFC.

724
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.280
<v Speaker 1>James Valley wrote in and said it's maybe a truer

725
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>reflection of what will happen to HULLFC now after losing

726
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it home to to lose their performance at cast might

727
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 1>have been there sendoff to John Cartwright. Assisted by Castleford's mediocrity.

728
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield were another team that only managed four and Warrington

729
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.519
<v Speaker 1>rapped up thirty four. They had twenty eight by halftime.

730
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield scored through Swift and didn't kick the goal. Warrington,

731
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Hoppowarte King, smith Stone, Philbin and Ashton scored their tries.

732
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Snaid scored five. I've got a good feeling about Warrington.

733
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 1>I think they're going to be there or thereabouts this year.

734
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I just like the look of them from what I've seen,

735
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and five unanswered tries in the first half probably meant

736
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 1>they took their foot off the a little bit in

737
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the second.

738
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, looking at social media, I think Mark

739
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Wilson said, you know, the was it the first half

740
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 2>of the second half is like the worst game a

741
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 2>full time. Apparently it was pretty dire stuff. But looking

742
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>at the highlights that Warrington, yeah, I agree with you.

743
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I think with Warrington, you know, they've been up the

744
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>top fourteen most years, for what sixteen years? I think

745
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.639
<v Speaker 2>they really and they've won Challenge Cups in that time

746
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 2>and they made it to grand finals. But they need

747
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to they need to get a premiership down a an

748
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Eddy Grand Final win and I don't know if this

749
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 2>is the year, but I think they've definitely got the

750
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 2>team to get to Old Trafford. You're losing George Williams

751
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 2>is a big blow, but you and Irwin he looked

752
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>really good for himton a couple of triasis again another

753
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 2>young halfback sot of saying, like you know, we're always

754
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>negatively but there are there are some really great young

755
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.519
<v Speaker 2>players out there and it's great to see them shine

756
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and play with confidence. He's you know, when you get

757
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 2>wraps from Andrew John's that's pretty high. And I know

758
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>we talked about him the other week as well. Hopper

759
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the other Hopper again just scoring, try looking great. And

760
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Josh Smith we talk about reserve graders from the Q Cup,

761
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>but he's been a great frie from Brisbane East, from

762
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>your neck of the woods. I think he might have

763
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 2>been Q Cup Player of the Year last year, but

764
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 2>he's been really good. So yeah, Warrington another great. You know,

765
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.039
<v Speaker 2>they've they've got a whole can and Challenge Cup this

766
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 2>weekend which is a massive, massive game. But Huddersfield they

767
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>really need to if they're going to hire I don't know, Holdsworth,

768
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.159
<v Speaker 2>they need to get him in now. And they also

769
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>need to start recruiting for next year because they're going

770
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 2>to miss the boat and that is just a circle

771
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>of Huddersfield just staying in that bottom.

772
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they need to offer tax three tax three pounds.

773
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.920
<v Speaker 2>How do you get I mean, you're you're you're the Englishman,

774
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you're the Englishman, Lee, how do you get people to Huddersfield?

775
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Relocate them to Monaco? The I've given you too much credit.

776
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I said you went to France to talk to the

777
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to lose coach and that's why they won. I think

778
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:15.079
<v Speaker 1>you went to catalan because they lost thirty three eighteen

779
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 1>at home to Lee. Sexton and making Some scored the

780
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 1>tries for Catalans and making some got two of them.

781
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Sexton kicked three goals. Lee scored thirty three. There were

782
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>ten to six up at halftime. Charlie got too often,

783
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Gali scored one, Trout Holt and Cook six goals and

784
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 1>drop goal as well from Cook. That's three Super League

785
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>wins on the bounce for Lee.

786
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I think your geography is as good as my missus is.

787
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Because Paris is now in the.

788
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I know that, but it doesn't mean you didn't fly

789
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:53.800
<v Speaker 1>down there, John.

790
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I think look at Catline's again, just very inconsistent,

791
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, a bit rundless for their coach walking out

792
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:08.800
<v Speaker 2>on them. Yeah again another club that really needs well,

793
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of things and it needs to be

794
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>not paying a million quite a year for other teams,

795
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>travel costs, suspiders, but for Lee. Look, I think now

796
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 2>they've got their players back, they've got their spine back,

797
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 2>David Armstrong finally back after being out for so so long.

798
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>They are building a bit of momentum. They have got

799
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>some of the good players there. And we're talking about

800
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Q Cup and you said, Well's Cup players and Adam

801
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Cook I think is been pretty poor most of this season,

802
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.519
<v Speaker 2>but he had a big, big game against Catlan's lovely

803
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 2>cutout pass, cut out pass for one of the tries

804
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 2>and maybe he's finding his feet now. So it'll be

805
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see how much of a run League can make,

806
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, can they finish in the top six, could

807
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 2>they finish in the top four. They've got a bit

808
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.519
<v Speaker 2>of work to do, but they've certainly, you know, with

809
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Lock and Lamb and a Pape and Joe often Galway

810
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and some of the players there, they've got some some

811
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 2>really good players who could push them at the table.

812
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Wigan ended their four match losing streak. They scored thirty

813
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>eight with tries from Eckersley, two from Field, three from

814
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Hodgkinson and one from O'Neil. Keran kicked four goals and

815
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>farram and kicked a mother. Bradford they scored fourteen, so

816
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Wigan one thirty eight fourteen against Bradford. Fulton scored for Bradford,

817
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Ryan scored too and Atkin kicked the goal look, I

818
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.159
<v Speaker 1>saw a bit of this game and Bradford were never

819
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 1>in it. They looked Bradford looked very much like the

820
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.679
<v Speaker 1>team that is struggling with bodies and struggling in a

821
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>division that they probably shouldn't have been in this year.

822
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:42.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, a fun trial. Wasn't a trial? Was it?

823
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:43.639
<v Speaker 2>He knocked down on, didn't he?

824
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I think? So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

825
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think you know, Bradford are struggling with a

826
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 2>lot of injuries, player depth as you said, and Wigan

827
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>missing quite a few players. But I think it was

828
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.119
<v Speaker 2>the you know, we already talked about the next gen

829
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 2>for Wigan, getting them over the line and breaking that

830
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:04.440
<v Speaker 2>losing run that I've had, which is a perfect time

831
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 2>because I've got Saint Helens and the Challenge Cup semi

832
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 2>final and that is a massive game. Like you know,

833
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have copped a bit for the last

834
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>four or five weeks. I think there was some crazy

835
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 2>stat where they hadn't lost like five games in a row. Sure,

836
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember if it was ever or in the

837
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.320
<v Speaker 2>eighty something years, it was something crazy. But look, if

838
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I think if Wigan beats and Helens next weekend and

839
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 2>get to Wembley. You know a lot of that noise

840
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 2>and everything dies away, doesn't it. And I think I

841
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 2>think Smith is back from his suspension on next week

842
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 2>and dry Field it seems to be hitting. You know.

843
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>He was pretty pretty dynamic, wasn't he against Bradford. So yeah,

844
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 2>important result from Wigan. I think most people expected Wigan,

845
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>even though they'd been on a losing run, to get

846
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the win, and Bradford are just holding on at this point.

847
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Mike croceive O twelve. The rest of the Leeds team

848
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, Wakefield twenty two. Good game, good game between

849
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.159
<v Speaker 1>a good game between Leeds and Wakey. Again. I saw

850
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.440
<v Speaker 1>a bit of this and Wakey went so with him

851
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.639
<v Speaker 1>and then Leeds just kicked away at the end. Like

852
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I said, Sevo scored three, Watkins got one and Cross

853
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>scored two tries. Conner kicked eight goals. Wakey there twenty

854
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>two came from Pratt, Lolas Ao and Mayer's got two.

855
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Lino or Lino scored three. That's micros Evo's fourth super

856
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>League got trick of the years. He's like the Earling

857
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Harland of super League.

858
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and one of them he went over to Wakefield players.

859
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.679
<v Speaker 2>One of them I could have scored basically put down,

860
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>but I think I don't know if you saw the

861
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to remember who which Wakefield players hit. Did

862
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>he hit with his head? He got a yellow caigh

863
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 2>for it. I think he was probably lucky not to

864
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>get a red for that. That was a that was

865
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a bad one and I won't be surprised if he

866
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 2>gets a band. It was a strange game and that

867
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Leeds had three players in bind and still sort of

868
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 2>won relatively comfortably. But you're right, Wakefield had a real

869
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.039
<v Speaker 2>dig and Jade and Myers on the wing. I don't

870
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.039
<v Speaker 2>know if you saw the shimmy that he did on

871
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Ryan All. He sent Ryan All left right, left right,

872
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>It was brilliant. He's a he's a good, good young player.

873
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Myers on the wing. But yeah, Leeds again just getting

874
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>it done. Big, big crowd at Headingly it looked like.

875
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, they're cruising along very nicely Leeds. I mean,

876
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I think they'll be kicking themselves that they got knocked

877
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>out of the Cup and they're not playing this weekend,

878
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>but they have that week off at this point of

879
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the season is very good for them. I'm not sure

880
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>off the top of the man who they play in

881
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>two weeks time. But yeah, they've got They're probably the

882
00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>club that's got the most fit uninjured players at the moment,

883
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's true.

884
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 1>It was Waky that knocked them out the corp too,

885
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:03.079
<v Speaker 1>wasn't it.

886
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 2>It was in the blackout game, the old twenty minutes

887
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.679
<v Speaker 2>when the lights dropped out. Yeah, we love that. But yeah,

888
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 2>leads to leads are flying high. And Brodycroft, I think

889
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>he was around one of the questions that we had

890
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 2>as well, wasn't he Lee? Brodie Croft is having a

891
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.639
<v Speaker 2>great season, scoring a ton of tries. Now, I've heard

892
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 2>so many rumors about Bradycroft. He's either going to Perth Bears,

893
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 2>he's staying at Leeds, he's resigned with Leeds, or Warrington

894
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 2>having a chat to him about replacing George Williams.

895
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Now.

896
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if any of those are true. I've

897
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>had denials and whatever. But yeah, he's certainly having a

898
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 2>very good season at Leeds this year Brodi Croft, and

899
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that that partnership with him and Connor works

900
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 2>quite well.

901
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 1>The York Knights, I know we've talked about the newly

902
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 1>promoted sides or sort of clump them together with Castle

903
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 1>orders Field. But I do feel like the York Knights

904
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 1>are punching a little bit above their weight. Still, I

905
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 1>think they're going quite well because the score line didn't

906
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>do justice to the contest when Saint Helen's beat them

907
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>forty to sixteen this weekend, Leyland Dagnall scored too. Walmsley

908
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 1>wells By, Davis and MacDonald were the scorers for Saint Helen's.

909
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Hastings kicked six goals for York, d scored two and

910
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Galiano scored the other. Try Hunter kick two goals. I

911
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 1>mean that also reflects a little bit on Saint Hellens.

912
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.599
<v Speaker 1>And I think Saint Helen's are a good attack inside.

913
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>They've got a good attacking coach, but they're always going

914
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 1>to give something back to the opposition because the defense

915
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 1>isn't the strongest, is my opinion.

916
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, I think that's fair. Look, I think York,

917
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, missing the fullback and a half back of

918
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>barrel really well, and that game was, you know, in

919
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 2>the balance after sixty minutes, and it was, as you said,

920
00:50:58.400 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it was York kind of getting blind away a little

921
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 2>bit at the end. But I think they only named

922
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 2>eighteen players instead of the twenty one man squad, you know,

923
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 2>because that's what they had, and I think that's another indication,

924
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Bradford the other week, only having fifteen

925
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:17.440
<v Speaker 2>fit players. That's when we talk about player depth and

926
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the fact about quality for not enough fourteen teams is

927
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's the these are the evidence. It's not

928
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>necessarily just the score lines or the performances. It's these

929
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 2>other factors. I mean, could you imagine if Manly you know,

930
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>are named could only name you know, sixteen but I

931
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 2>only had sixteen players.

932
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 1>To play against for those for those listening, I just

933
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 1>shook my head. Yeah.

934
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 2>But in saying all that, I do agree with you.

935
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I think York I've done a really good job considering

936
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>they have no academy, they have the you know, feeder

937
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 2>system with Newcastle. But you know, I think their recruitment

938
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>has been quite smart and targeted, and I think they've

939
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 2>got a great spirit at that comb and I think

940
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Mark Appricoth is to a really good job. So yeah,

941
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I think fair play to them. I think I will

942
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 2>pick up some more wins when they get toa back

943
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 2>and they get Liam Harris back. But I think they're

944
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 2>also at the same time they have they've kind of

945
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.719
<v Speaker 2>been Paul Vaughan and Paul McShane the two poles, the

946
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:22.639
<v Speaker 2>two veteran pols have had really good campaigns and really

947
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>led the way for them. So I think it's going

948
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to be interesting to see what happens with McShane, because

949
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he's off contract the end of this year.

950
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 2>What they do there. If he plays on, his body

951
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 2>holds up. If he doesn't, they're really going to need

952
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 2>a top class nine to replace him, and those don't

953
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 2>grow on trees.

954
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to our questions now, or our statements that

955
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>people want us to comment on. If you want to

956
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>get questions or statements towards tweet Johnny at Johnny D.

957
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Davidson and you're best sending them to me on email

958
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Admint Rugby League Coach dot com to say you, Leonard R.

959
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Gregory says, if you were looking to relocate a Super

960
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>League club for season twenty eight, what city would you

961
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>move it to? London is not an option, Leonard. I've

962
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>already told you Monaco that was three pounds. You give

963
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 1>the serious answer.

964
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Now, John Yeah, that's a hard one to answer. I mean,

965
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I look, I think if you're looking city sizes in

966
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the UK, you're kind of looking at, you know, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle.

967
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we've got clubs in the Manchester area. Liverpool Saint

968
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Helens are on the border. I think Birmingham maybe would

969
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 2>be the Birmingham and Nottingham maybe would be the ones.

970
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we've got the Midlands Hurricanes. But yeah, I think

971
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I think we do need to try and focus on

972
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 2>some cities at some point because small towns can only

973
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:49.159
<v Speaker 2>give you so much when it comes to explosion crowds.

974
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 2>But in saying that, I don't think a relocation of

975
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the current Super League club would work, knowing how tribal tribalism,

976
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 2>how much troubleism there is in the in the sport.

977
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do think Super League expansion, from a

978
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 1>spectator's point of view, that's possibly work because it expanded

979
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 1>into heartland areas again Bradford to Lose and York which

980
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 1>is on the fringes of the actual heartland. But it's

981
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.760
<v Speaker 1>still a big, a big rugby league area. So I

982
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you'd relocate anyone really, Debbie Jones said,

983
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Number one scrapped the chat captain's challenge is that yes

984
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 1>or no from you?

985
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Ah? No, I like the captain. So I think what

986
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>people don't like is stoppage is in the game. And

987
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I think what I think Steve Maskow wrote about this

988
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 2>not long ago is that Super League tried to adopt

989
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the NR rules without the same budget

990
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 2>or with six again, and.

991
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:54.599
<v Speaker 1>I just allow one. I'd just allow one and if

992
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you get to keep it and get another, well that's

993
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 1>what they have. I partly had two.

994
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was only one.

995
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think it's two in the NRL might be

996
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.079
<v Speaker 1>wrong or something.

997
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I think with these kind of stoppages, we need to

998
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 2>try and get them done quickly, you know what I mean.

999
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>It's a speed Yeah, four minutes of reviews now. Debbie

1000
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Jones said, oh sorry, I should say for those who

1001
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>are wondering where the Castleford and okay, our review is.

1002
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>We did it on Friday and I don't want to

1003
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 1>talk about that game again. And what's just reminded me

1004
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Thursday and what's just reminded me about that is how

1005
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.880
<v Speaker 1>long the video review was. Number two. This is Debbie

1006
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Friday game should kick off at twelve pm. Then fans

1007
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 1>can get home just before midnight, so she wants them

1008
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to kick off at lunchtime. According to that.

1009
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't When I read that, it was kind

1010
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 2>of did she make a different time?

1011
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1012
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1013
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.320
<v Speaker 1>And then number three, number three, it just said, ex

1014
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Saint Neil Holding is a Tommy Robinson loving racist twat

1015
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Saint should have nothing to do with him. So what's

1016
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 1>all that about.

1017
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who that player was. Do you know

1018
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:07.639
<v Speaker 2>of him?

1019
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I remember Neil Holding?

1020
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's perfore my time. I mean, yeah, I

1021
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.119
<v Speaker 2>mean anyone who supports Tommy Rownson needs a good hard

1022
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 2>slab personally. But yeah, I don't know who that player is.

1023
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Chef Toffee Saint said, how can anyone criticize the NRL

1024
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.039
<v Speaker 1>rule changes when there are record crowds and TV audiences.

1025
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>They say they've made it like basketball. Well, I find

1026
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it incredible viewing. Well, as the resident Australian here, John,

1027
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll tackle this one first. I respect Chef that you

1028
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:46.039
<v Speaker 1>find it incredible viewing. I find it poor because I

1029
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 1>like a balance between attack and defense. And I already

1030
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.719
<v Speaker 1>said earlier in the podcast Chef about some of the

1031
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 1>other things that may have contributed to that, and I

1032
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.440
<v Speaker 1>do think that the biggest thing out of all of

1033
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>them is the algorithm algorithms and the amount of options.

1034
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 1>The podcast asks the twenty four hour Rugby League channel,

1035
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:08.800
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. So I think in terms of your point,

1036
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Chef about the rule changes, we can criticize the rule changes,

1037
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.039
<v Speaker 1>we're not criticizing the record crowds and TV audiences. What

1038
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm challenging, Chef, is that link between those two things.

1039
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I put it this way. I've I'm it's rugby leagues

1040
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 1>in my DNA, and I'm not watching it. I'm watching

1041
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Super League instead, and I will watch the NRL when

1042
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.960
<v Speaker 1>things balance out a bit again. And I'm not on

1043
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.199
<v Speaker 1>my own. And there's people a lot younger than me

1044
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 1>who are thinking the same thing, and people older than

1045
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.679
<v Speaker 1>me and the same age as me. So there might

1046
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 1>be record crowds, but they could be even bigger crowds

1047
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and bigger TV viewers.

1048
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think you've entered that well. I would

1049
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.880
<v Speaker 2>just say that whether there's record crowds or not, it's

1050
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 2>not always indicative of what the product is a lot

1051
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of it. And that's this corresponds with Super League and

1052
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 2>everyone's like Oh, the product's great, but why don't put

1053
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 2>more people watch it? It's like, well, a lot of

1054
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to the presentation of the product, the packaging,

1055
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the marketing, and what I might find is a great product,

1056
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and what you might find is a great product could

1057
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.400
<v Speaker 2>be completely different because everyone is different. So, you know,

1058
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:29.719
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about darts before. I'd rather, you know, watch

1059
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.159
<v Speaker 2>paint dry than darts. But you know a lot of

1060
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.360
<v Speaker 2>people like it, and that's that's good on them.

1061
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, Gary Collins, who I think might be a leaf,

1062
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:44.199
<v Speaker 1>said Sky Sports red button issues week in week out.

1063
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 1>What does a red button do on Sky.

1064
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.519
<v Speaker 2>That's the the Sky Sports Plus. So the fact that

1065
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of games are on the Plus button,

1066
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.280
<v Speaker 2>so it's a stream, it's not on the regular channel.

1067
00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've talked about this a lotly and I think,

1068
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the fact that every game's a live

1069
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:03.960
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't have they don't all have the same

1070
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.559
<v Speaker 2>production values, they aren't treated the same has annoyed a

1071
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of fans, and there are a lot of issues

1072
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 2>with the presentation, with commentary dropping out or vision dropping out. Yeah,

1073
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I think personally, I think in the next TV deal

1074
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.280
<v Speaker 2>we need to go back to if you know, if

1075
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the numbers work out, and obviously how much money is

1076
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the key factor, but we need to go back to

1077
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:32.119
<v Speaker 2>something where Sky has two or three games, we have

1078
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 2>another broadcaster, so we get each game presented in an

1079
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 2>equal way, in a decent way. Whether that can be

1080
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 2>achieved or not, I don't know, as I mean a

1081
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of that's kind of pie the sky, isn't it?

1082
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Perfect world stuff?

1083
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Simon Paul? Question one? Do you honestly believe the game

1084
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>is better off of the video ref system and it's

1085
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.519
<v Speaker 1>taking even longer than last season? Yeah?

1086
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:56.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean we talked just then, did we about the

1087
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>video ref? And I think part of that is in

1088
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the bunk of thel The bunkers is them, which costs

1089
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money. It's quite quick and efficient. They

1090
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>still make mistakes, don't they. No one's perfect, but the

1091
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.599
<v Speaker 2>video ref in the UK is very slow. Personally, I

1092
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>still prefer a video ref. I can remember when there

1093
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:16.360
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely horrific knock ons and trials that were awarded

1094
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:21.039
<v Speaker 2>for years and easier, like how did they give that? Yeah?

1095
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I think we've got technology now we ain't. We ain't going,

1096
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:24.840
<v Speaker 2>We ain't getting rid of it are.

1097
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 1>We also also, mister Paul, look at the advertising on

1098
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the referee Jersey, look at the advertising on the screen.

1099
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>That's that's what it's all about, on the on the

1100
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:40.000
<v Speaker 1>big screen. Question two, brave decisions need to be made.

1101
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Read a championship. If NRL get involved, what do you

1102
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 1>think they do with it?

1103
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we talked about this fording we look I think

1104
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 2>they they'd have to have a strategy for the championship

1105
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.079
<v Speaker 2>as well. I think they need to have some honest

1106
01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:00.480
<v Speaker 2>analysis and discussions about what is the role of the Championship,

1107
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:03.360
<v Speaker 2>What is the role of Is it to get clubs

1108
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.400
<v Speaker 2>into Super League? Is it to be effectively a feeder system,

1109
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you know like a Q Cup or and you so

1110
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Well's Cup, Like, what is it? How do we promote it,

1111
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.320
<v Speaker 2>how do we market it, how do we pitch it?

1112
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 2>When is it played? You know it's a semi professional league.

1113
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Is the wage is sustainable? All these things need to

1114
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.800
<v Speaker 2>be looked out because I think personally it's a big

1115
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 2>difference between say, you know a witness, well, i'd say

1116
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.800
<v Speaker 2>a witness in North Wales Crusaders, but North Wales Crusaders

1117
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.519
<v Speaker 2>could be literally ceased to exist in the next twenty

1118
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:37.400
<v Speaker 2>eight to twenty four to forty eight hours. Yeah, so

1119
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:40.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a big difference between clubs who either were in

1120
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Super League or have aspirations, legitimate aspirations like a London

1121
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.239
<v Speaker 2>then to some of the clubs in the Championship at

1122
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the moment. And that's another thing. We've got a massive

1123
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.000
<v Speaker 2>disparity in salary cap spending and quality between say London

1124
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and Swinton, for example.

1125
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.360
<v Speaker 1>John Hodgson rolle with the increase in rooks leads in

1126
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Super League and the increase in injuries, do we need

1127
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to start looking more closely at penalizing hip drop tackles?

1128
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Can I answer this bit first? Because I'm a coach,

1129
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:11.519
<v Speaker 1>you can.

1130
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.079
<v Speaker 2>You probably no more than myself.

1131
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.599
<v Speaker 1>The definition of a hip drop, even in Australia is

1132
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:21.480
<v Speaker 1>all over the show. I think a lot of hip

1133
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 1>drop tackles are passive tackles. And because again because for

1134
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.559
<v Speaker 1>years the game has messed around with the rules and

1135
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.440
<v Speaker 1>has taken away the option of tackling around the legs,

1136
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 1>which we were all taught as young kids to do. First,

1137
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 1>because you can't get rewarded for that. Everyone's going up top,

1138
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 1>and if they don't get up top, And because of

1139
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the faster rouck speeds, they're going a bit lower now

1140
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:48.519
<v Speaker 1>they try and pull them back to try and control

1141
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 1>the ruck. That's why we're getting hip drop tackles. It's

1142
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.360
<v Speaker 1>as simple as that. Players don't do them one purpose

1143
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.559
<v Speaker 1>or very rarely do they do a one purpose, so

1144
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it is happening so fast and again,

1145
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I think the theme of this podcast so far has

1146
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 1>been budget and expertise with regards to officiating and extra decisions.

1147
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this would just cause another a layer of

1148
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 1>problems that I don't think Rugby Football League need at

1149
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the moment, particularly when they've got clubs dropping like flies.

1150
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I watched Super League and I can honestly say ten

1151
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.920
<v Speaker 1>percent of the tackles would probably get penalized in the NRL.

1152
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I watched quite a lot, so I don't know if

1153
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:41.960
<v Speaker 1>people are getting injured from these tackles in Super League. Also,

1154
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the injuries will because will be because

1155
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 1>of the short preseason in England. But also the interpretations

1156
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.400
<v Speaker 1>probably weren't brought in until the last minute, and teams

1157
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't recruit put it this way. They probably didn't prepare

1158
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 1>properly in this off season for it. But they definitely

1159
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.000
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have recruited for it. Put it that way, they

1160
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 1>wouldt have recreated lighter players, and they wouldn't have put

1161
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.079
<v Speaker 1>long term plans in place for their players to lose

1162
01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.960
<v Speaker 1>lots of weight to be more and more abile. John

1163
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.639
<v Speaker 1>also asked should the six again be awarded based on

1164
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 1>tackle count instead of field position, i e. Tackle zero

1165
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to two is a penalty and six a after that,

1166
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 1>So six again? Sorry after that you can answer that one.

1167
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an interesting one. I've never really thought about

1168
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 2>it like that. I think it might be hard to

1169
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:37.159
<v Speaker 2>keep track of, you know, how many you give at

1170
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 2>one point. Look, the six a game is really a

1171
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 2>tough one because I've had people who haven't watched the

1172
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 2>game for all come to me, like, you know why

1173
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 2>they are warning it is it is hard to you know,

1174
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.079
<v Speaker 2>rock in freshmen. It's hard to explain. And look, I like,

1175
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I like the fact there is a speed of that game.

1176
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 2>But at the same point, I like, as you said,

1177
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, a balance between attack and defense, and I

1178
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 2>don't want to see, you know, fifty to forty two

1179
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:09.559
<v Speaker 2>every week. Yeah, it's that I'm struggling to answer that one.

1180
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Lucidly Matt said one week loans discuss, Thanks all.

1181
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the one week loan system. I think

1182
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:28.559
<v Speaker 2>some clubs taking the piss out of it. You know,

1183
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:32.480
<v Speaker 2>there's there's been some speculation about a certain club getting

1184
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.159
<v Speaker 2>in a player just so they could rest another one

1185
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:36.760
<v Speaker 2>of their players ahead of a big game. Now I

1186
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that is one hundred percent or not,

1187
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:43.079
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I don't like the one week loan. I

1188
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.840
<v Speaker 2>think there should be a minimum, whether it be two

1189
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.239
<v Speaker 2>weeks or three weeks. You know, there seems to be

1190
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:52.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of kind of big clubs learning players to

1191
01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 2>other big clubs, which I think is also a bad

1192
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.360
<v Speaker 2>look for the game, and it's a bad look for

1193
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:59.920
<v Speaker 2>development and equality across the company.

1194
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 1>It's Challenged Cup next weekend, So a quick prediction from you,

1195
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 1>John Saint Helens versus Wigan on Saturday that should be

1196
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:09.960
<v Speaker 1>a belt up.

1197
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm hoping to be at that game with Warrington.

1198
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a really tough game to call because Sirt Allen's

1199
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, you look at recent forms and

1200
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Allens have been the much better team even with you know,

1201
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:25.960
<v Speaker 2>quite a few injuries. But Wigan really should have beaten

1202
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.199
<v Speaker 2>them on good Friday. You know the lead they had

1203
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:33.079
<v Speaker 2>with what twelve minutes ago? I think maybe just just

1204
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.440
<v Speaker 2>wigging in the tight one. But yeah, it's a flip

1205
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:37.199
<v Speaker 2>of a coin that one. I could see either team.

1206
01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:40.280
<v Speaker 2>You know that Ravalie is the biggest longest ravry in

1207
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:44.360
<v Speaker 2>rugby league, isn't it? So it should be a humdigger

1208
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:45.360
<v Speaker 2>of a game, I hope.

1209
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.239
<v Speaker 1>And then Warrington and who K are on Sunday and.

1210
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:52.119
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a I guess a more recent rivalry, isn't

1211
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.719
<v Speaker 2>it an interesting because Tom, sorry I say Tom Burgess,

1212
01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Sam Burgess and Willie Peters are mates from the time

1213
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:03.039
<v Speaker 2>both at South Sydney, but obviously after the Challenge Cup

1214
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:07.119
<v Speaker 2>final last year and then the year before that, whole

1215
01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:10.039
<v Speaker 2>KR beat Warrington to get to their first Grand Final.

1216
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Could go either way this game. And fancy Warrington for

1217
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.000
<v Speaker 1>that one because I think just from what you've said,

1218
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:22.199
<v Speaker 1>they've got an awful lot of reason too. And I

1219
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think who KR were fantastic against cast last week.

1220
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I think.

1221
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I think WHOLEK have had the wood over

1222
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.000
<v Speaker 2>them in the big games. Although they were obviously lucky

1223
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to win at Wembley, weren't they that try in the

1224
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:38.119
<v Speaker 2>last couple of minutes. But yeah, I think they've probably

1225
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:40.719
<v Speaker 2>had a slight edge over them. Warrington this year are

1226
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:45.320
<v Speaker 2>much improved, but I think maybe just whole Car in

1227
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.800
<v Speaker 2>a tight one. But yeah, again Warrington. I think this

1228
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 2>is a really really good test. Warrington have been good

1229
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.960
<v Speaker 2>for most of the year, more consistent than Whole Car.

1230
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But this is the litmus test, isn't it? Like probably

1231
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 2>one of their first really big games in twenty six

1232
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and if like a beat whole Guy, are that that

1233
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:07.639
<v Speaker 2>makes and get to Wembley again? That makes people say

1234
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, okay, this is a is there the real

1235
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.639
<v Speaker 2>deal the Wolves? So yeah, it should be another great

1236
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.079
<v Speaker 2>game of Doncaster, hopefully some nice weather.

1237
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:22.199
<v Speaker 1>N RL. We've already mentioned the NRL world and going

1238
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:26.399
<v Speaker 1>into meltdown because Jerome Looeye signed at PNG. That was

1239
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.239
<v Speaker 1>probably the biggest news last week. But another one that

1240
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.640
<v Speaker 1>we probably should mention and just pass on our best

1241
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:36.840
<v Speaker 1>wishes is to Melbourne Storm coach Craig Bellamy, who it

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<v Speaker 1>was announced of some kind of neurological disorder. Prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>the worst, hoping for the best. There for I am

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of one of the greatest coaches of the

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<v Speaker 1>game's ever seen. I want to talk about the Bulldogs

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<v Speaker 1>being rubbish. I want to talk about your manly team losing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to talk about Manly this week, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about how the Dragons didn't lose this

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<v Speaker 1>week either.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I didn't. Did the Dragons win?

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even aware that they had the buye?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, yeah I did see. I did see

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<v Speaker 2>maybe fifteen minutes of the Mainly game the first half.

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<v Speaker 2>I was having my breakfast in the hotel. But yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 2>Joey Walsh, pretty pretty good debut for an eighteen year old.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that faceball to set up a try and no, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks a real talent, doesn't he. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went to Saint Augustine's your your school or

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<v Speaker 2>alma mater.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I worked there for about a term.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I'm claiming, I'm claiming he's one of yours. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 2>my my mum worked there, and my uncle worked there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think my uncle went to school there. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said this to someone else who's giving me

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of shit about Mainly losing, I was saying, well, look,

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<v Speaker 2>they were competitive against arguably the best team in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the camp and you know, five weeks ago they're

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely shit, you know, I think I think they they

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<v Speaker 2>had they had a real dig, which is good. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the Bulldogs game, but that is an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting one. They're definitely in a slamp, aren't they. And

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<v Speaker 2>all the all the Doggies fans or the Bellmore mafia

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<v Speaker 2>are death threats at at Lee Everson's house.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Yeah? Well, they definitely get into me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've doubled down on Luce Kerry today. I've done

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive analysis for them. So the analysis from the

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream media has been their attack isn't clicking. But had

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<v Speaker 1>a look at their defense and I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>their defense isn't clicking either, So real problems there at Bellmore.

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<v Speaker 1>Will wrap it up there, John, that's quite a long

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<v Speaker 1>one as usual. Where can people get you on the

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<v Speaker 1>chansalis or.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they can't get me there, But I'm hopefully the

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<v Speaker 2>halliwell Jones on Saturday and Instagram at Johnny D Davidson

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<v Speaker 2>r L. I think Facebook a John Davidson journalist and

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter at Johnny D Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're interested in anything I do or don't

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<v Speaker 1>do Rugby League coach dot comvere you at Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>coach on social Send me a message on there or

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<v Speaker 1>admin a Rugbiley coach.

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<v Speaker 2>What about your award winning book as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Rugbyley Coach Thirteen Game Changing Conversations Transform your coaching.

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<v Speaker 1>So i'd say a good book. I'm quite proud of myself,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind a bit more pump in your voice when you're

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<v Speaker 2>selling a Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm a humble kind of guy, me, John, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, take care