Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another Surely you Can't Be
Serious podcast with my buddy Jason Colvin and d Graves.
Speaker 2: They call us.
Speaker 3: All right. D you know when you were a baby
your crib.
Speaker 4: Your father looked down on you, and he had but
one hope someday my son will grow to be a man.
Speaker 3: Well look at you now.
Speaker 4: You're a host of the Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcast.
I'm sure your dad's very proud of that.
Speaker 3: Actually, that is great. Welcome back to the Sure That
you Can't Be Serious podcast. Everybody, It's pledged week.
Speaker 4: I don't know who I'm gonna pledge with this week.
I've been bouncing around the fraternitys.
Speaker 3: Were you ever actually a member of a fraternity? I was?
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 3: Me neither. Now I well, okay, now I take that back.
When I was in law school, the Phi Delta Phi
fraternity had ceased to exist at my law school, and
so I was like, hey, we should bring this thing back.
And so I called the national chapter and they're like, hey,
is the guy who's bringing it back. You get to
decide what the guidelines are and you'll be the president.
And I was like resume. Yeah, so so yeah, I
brought the Phire Delta five back to the University of
Oklahoma Law School, and then I discovered that when you
have a fraternity, you can go ask for funding and
if you spend all of your money, they'll give you
more money the next year. This was a really great
discovery for me, and as as a I've never heard
the story soon to be Yeah, no, I brought it
back and then I was like, and so, I don't
know how I got the info, probably from the Phi
Delta Phi guy, you know, the national chapter, saying now, yeah,
just go ask for some funding from the student services
or whatever. And I went over and asked, and they
gave me money. And so I recruited all of the
new fraternity members at the law school with basically big
sandwich parties that we would have at lunch when everybody
was in between classes. Wow. And so yeah, built the
fraternity back by myself.
Speaker 4: I have never known that story before.
Speaker 3: I honestly, just as I was thinking as I asked
you the question, I'm like, oh, I've never been a minute.
Oh wait a minute, yeah I have.
Speaker 4: But I was the president of the fraternity right.
Speaker 3: Right, And it wasn't exactly the same We didn't have
a house. There wasn't beer drinking it was. It was
a much different type of fraternity.
Speaker 4: It didn't take swimming lessons and kiddie pools full of beer.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say this as an undergrad and a
theater major. I was only a theater major for about
six months before me and about five other guys all
realized that if we just rented a big house, we
would cut our rent payments in half. Right, And so
then we now have six drama guys all in the
same large house. It became the party house of the
department for sure. I didn't see that the Blue House
is what it was called, because well it was blue.
I do have a quick story for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was not in a fraternity, but I did
work as a houseboy at a sorority house. Okay, I
was a houseboy at the Tridelt House.
Speaker 3: Oh houseboy. And here's the kicker.
Speaker 2: They didn't pay me.
Speaker 4: I worked for food that's pretty good, and I got
to look at pretty girls.
Speaker 3: That's really good. And that's that's the that's it. Yeah,
that's it. Tride Old House. Did you know? Did you
know that? Did you know your wife your future wife
at the moment at that point, how does she feel
about that she didn't care a way to go? Yeah, okay, well,
let me let me tell you about another fraternity guy. Okay,
ready for this story? Okay, okay, So I'll tell you
about Ted. Ted was born in nineteen oh four. Okay.
He ended up going to Dartmouth College, where he was
in a fraternity. He was a Sigma Phi epsilon. But
he went to college in the nineteen twenties and as
you know, in the nineteen twenties in the United States,
we had this little thing called prohibition. Well, while he
was there at Dartmouth, he became the editor in chief
of the jack O Lantern magazine that they have there, okay,
which is, you know, touches on our National lampoon story
that we're going to tell a bit later on Animal House.
But he had gotten this, you know, gotten this position,
which was pretty good for a young guy. And he
was in this fraternity. But then he gets caught drinking
gin with nine of his fraternity brothers in his room.
And because of prohibition, obviously it was against the rules
for them to have gin. Sure, and so as a result,
his dean, Dean Craven Laycock insisted, I'm not kidding. That
is his real life. Dean Craven Laycock insisted that he
resign from all of his extracurricular activities, including his job
as editor in chief of this magazine. Now he was
going to he was going to go get his PhD
and become an English professor. So this is a big
hit for him. So what he did was he quit
using his own name and he adopted a pen name. Now,
ultimately he went to Oxford and was pursued doing his PhD.
But his wife looked at how well he drew and
she's like, you need to be an illustrator. You're really
good that you don't need to go be an English professor.
You're so good at what you do. You need to
be an illustrator. And so in nineteen thirty nine he
produced his first book after dropping out of Oxford, produced
his first book and it was pretty well received, and
so then he produces a few more books. World War
Two happens and he does illustrations for the US Department
of the Army, and then he goes back to writing
books again once the war is over, and in nineteen
fifty under this pen name that he used to dodge
the rules. Back when he is at Dartmouth College, he
wrote a book called If I Ran the Zoo. By
the way, the pen name that he used was Seuss,
which when he dropped out of the PhD program, he
added doctor to his zeus. And it's in that book
If I Ran the Zoo that we see the very
first appearance of the word nerd. Oh, excellent, I believe
his name.
Speaker 4: His real name was Theodore Geisel.
Speaker 3: That is correct. Yes, And then just to show them,
I'll sail to Katrue and bring back an itchcutch, a
preep and a prue, a nirkle, a nerd, and a
cedar sucker too. First appearance of the word nerd comes
from doctor Seuss. It was about a year later that
they used it in a magazine a Washington Post or
New York Times or something like that, where it kind
of had this meaning of a weirdo. And then in
the nineteen seventies it becomes very prevalent, largely due to
a TV show called Happy Days, Happy Days, where they
use the word all the time to refer to the
you know, geeky or smarter members of the cast. Interesting, now,
who else is a part of the cast of Happy Days.
It's sure Ted mcgilney, who is stan Stan the man
in Revenge of the Nurse. Revenge of the Nurse.
Speaker 4: How about that? There you go, that's incredible.
Speaker 3: Good job, well done, thanks, ma'am. Okay, So we're.
Speaker 4: Here today to discuss two movies, Animal House from nineteen
seventy eight and Revenge of the Nerds from nineteen eighty four.
Revenge of the Nerds is hitting its fortieth anniversary this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you and I talked. Revenge of the Nerds is
essentially it is a redo of Animal House. It is.
It's a little different group of folks. It's the scumbags
versus the elites, right, just a little different twist on
the on the fraternity story.
Speaker 4: The slobs versus the snobs.
Speaker 3: Yes, there you go. And then later on we'd have
old school where they would do it again where it
was like guys our age going back to college. Who
were the And then I started thinking about it. Have
you seen pitch Perfect? Pitch Perfect is kind of the
female version of this where instead of it being a fraternity,
it's an a cappella group. But again, it's the Cinderella story,
it's the downcast being triumphant, and if you love Rocky,
that means you gotta love these kind of movies. Definitely
the underdog story for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, Well, let's talk in revisionist history. Some people
look back on these movies and have problems with certain aspects.
And you came up with this wonderful list of felonies
that could be could you know, you could say we're
committed in these two movies, and I feel like we
need to talk about those right out of the gate.
Speaker 3: Well, let me just say that I didn't even I
didn't even go with anim This is just, this is just,
this is all revenge of the Nerds, and I can
say that these crimes are either committed or strongly suggested.
You guys ready, and we're starting with ogre holding the
guy from his ankles. Okay, all right, attempted murder, attempted
statutory rape, taking, clandestine videos, sexual exploitation of a minor,
captured sale, clandestine photos, breaking an entering, sexual battery, theft,
used of chemical weapons, insurance fraud, bestiality, cruelty to animals,
destruction of property, and of course, possession of controlled substances.
Now that last one's probably a misdemeanor, and the breaking
and entering is also probably a misdemeanor. But then if
you consider that they committed felonies after they broke an inner,
that amps it up to a bird one.
Speaker 4: That doesn't even consider Mowbray, which didn't make the list.
Speaker 3: What is moperry Pury.
Speaker 4: Is exposing yourself to a blind person, which they actually
discussed in the movie Mowbray.
Speaker 3: Yep, I missed that day a law school. I don't
know what this world is coming to see that man
over there. We arrested him for mowpery. What's Mowbury? Mowbray
is exposing yourself to a blind person.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's let's dive into animal House first,
because that is the that's the father of Revenge of
the Nerds.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. So we talked a little bit about this a
couple of different times, because we've talked about John Landis
on several occasions, we've done several of John Landis's movies,
and then also we've talked about Airplane, and we've talked
about Caddyshack, and these stories all kind of overlap, but
really it kind of goes back to these group of
guys who were part of the Harvard Lampoon, which is
a magazine that they had at Harvard. Yes, who then
went out after college and all they really wanted to
do is keep making their magazine, and so they changed
the Harvard Lampoon into the National Lampoon. Yes. So I
want to talk about John Lennce for just a second,
even though we've covered him several times.
Speaker 4: We talked about him on the American Werewolf in London
podcast that we did, We talked about him in Beverly
Hills Cop three. Listen to this list of movies that
he has made, and then he hits an absolute crushing wall.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I find it fascinating.
Speaker 4: So he starts off with Schlock, which is kind of
this independent movie that he makes.
Speaker 3: It's where he meets Rick Baker for the first time.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's hugely impactful. Then he does Kentucky Fried movie
in nineteen seventy seven. He does Animal House in nineteen
seventy eight, which blows the doors off. He does The
Blues Brothers, which is regarded by some one of the
funniest movies in the nineteen eighties, he does American Werewolf
in London, some regard as the greatest horror comedy movie
of all time. He does Trading Places, which we talked about.
He does twilight Zone, which is on the slate for
this year.
Speaker 3: Infamous, Infamous.
Speaker 4: He does the Thriller video with Michael Jackson, the greatest
music video of all time, arguably. He does Spies like us.
He does Three Amigos. He does a personal favorite of mine, Amazon,
Women on the Moon. He does Coming to America, which
you said is one of the funniest movies of all time.
Speaker 3: Yep. And then he hits a crushing wall. Yeah. I mean,
just for clarification, that wasn't a highlight reel. That was
every movie he directs, right, It's one after another, one
after another. There were no bombs in any of that.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Then he does Oscar with Sylvester Stallone, which is mad.
Most people were like, what is this crap?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: He does a movie called Innocent Blood, which I've heard
is good, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think about it. I've never seen it. No,
and then Beverly Hills Cop Three, which we talked about.
Speaker 4: It's the absolute worst movie I think that we've covered
to here on this podcast, without question, even including all
the what the heck happy movies we've covered absolutely, and
since then he's done movies like The Stupids.
Speaker 3: I mean, just like not much.
Speaker 4: It's tragic, it's really really weird.
Speaker 3: Had his finger on the pulse and then just everything
went away. I still have confidence in him. I feel
like someday he's making a comeback with that list. Yeah,
somebody's got a hiring right at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, So let's talk just basically about the origin
of Animal House.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So.
Speaker 4: It starts with Doug Kenny. Doug Kenny was, like you said,
he was the editor in chief of Lampoo magazine.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: It's super like white Hot with all the college students.
But he's sick of meeting this deadline all the time
and he's just working under pressure and having to be funny,
and so he's he wants to quit. He's like, like,
I was really successful. I wanted to do this thing,
I did it. Now I want to quit. But his friends,
like this group of guys, they convince him, look, we
need to evolve from the magazine to movies. So Ivan
Rightman is one of his buddies.
Speaker 3: If you want a full history on Ivan Rightman, which
is really a fantastic history, by the way, including his
work on Cannibal Girls. Go check out the film by
podcast that we did when we covered Ghostbusters too with
Jeff Johnson. I really was impressed with Ivan Rightman story.
But yes, sorry, please keep going.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Doug Kenny sits down with Harold Ramis. Harold
Ramis egon from Ghostbusters. He's been in stripes, but he's
a comedy writer and a funny actor. So they sit
down and they're like, Okay, we're gonna write a script.
So they come up with this script called Laser Orgy Girls, right, right, right,
Laser Orgie Girls, And it's about Charles Manson in high school.
Speaker 3: M maybe a little bit too taboo, right, maybe just a.
Speaker 4: Smith right, And so Ivan Raymen's like, listen, guys, this
is not it right, you can't make this. Solet's let's
take it from high school.
Speaker 3: Let's move it to college.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So they bring on comedy writer Chris Miller. Okay, yeah,
he had been he had written articles for National Lampoon.
He's a funny guy. He's a good writer. And so
Doug Kenny, Harold Ramis, and Chris Miller sit in a room,
and they're like, Okay, we're gonna write a college movie.
Speaker 3: And I thought this was brilliant.
Speaker 4: They sat around and for like days, all they did
was spill every single college anecdote they could possibly think.
Speaker 3: Of anything that they did which was.
Speaker 4: Mildly funny or interesting or humorous in any way, and
they just kind of kept notes. So Chris Miller had
been in a fraternity, and so he brought all of
his fraternity stories. So in Chris Miller's fraternity, there actually
was a guy whose nickname was Otter Nice. There was
a guy whose nickname was Flounder.
Speaker 2: Now on.
Speaker 1: His name is.
Speaker 3: Flounder, okay.
Speaker 4: Chris Miller's fraternity name was Pinto all right, Okay, yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 3: There was a guy named Bluto.
Speaker 4: And the reason why he was Blueto is because he
had muscular arms.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh okay, so not because his last name was
blue TASKI that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they each decided, okay, well, we're going to turn
this into like Chris Miller's fraternity movie. And after coming
up with all these stories, each one of them wrote
like an act of the screenplay. So one guy was
designated to write Act one. One guy was designated to
write Act two. One guy was designated to write Act three,
and then when they were done, they would pass it
off to the next guy who would rework it, and
then once that was done, then they passed it to
the third guy. So each person worked on each one
of the acts. But it's kind of like a choose
your own adventure type of setup, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was brilliant. That's great.
Speaker 4: They just did the best they can. They came up
with what they thought would work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody wanted it, but Ivan Rightman wanted to direct.
Of course, Harold Ramis wanted to direct, but Ivan Rightman
had only like I think he'd work on a David
Cronenberg movie, right, as like an assistant or something, and
you're not not enough experience, right, And then Harold Ramis
had done nothing at that point. He was pretty Cadyshack.
He was an English teacher and a guy who worked
at a psych word like that, I mean, And he
then wrote articles for Playboy magazine like really, we're not
gonna let you know, We're not gonna let you direct studie. Yeah, no,
you may not. Right well, John Landis had yeah, two movies.
One was his you know, own financed piece of crap.
But the other one was the Kentucky Fried movie that
was essentially like a precursor run at at the Airplane movie,
which are, you know, greatest comedy of the eighties. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 4: So here's the deal. The script lands at Universal. Nobody
gets it, nobody understands it, nobody wants it. In fact,
they're like, why would we cheer for these guys who
are disgusting p I. G.
Speaker 3: Piggs.
Speaker 4: Right, But there's two guys at Universal, a guy named
Tom Mount and a guy named Sean Daniel, and they're
huge fans of the National Lampoon magazine.
Speaker 3: Okay, and here's the interesting thing.
Speaker 4: They call Mattie Simmons. Now, Mattie Simmons has been involved
in a lot of these comedy movies.
Speaker 3: Yes, Matti Simmons the first person to use a credit card.
Go back to our Christmas Vacation episode to hear that story.
That's incredible. Right.
Speaker 4: So Tom Mount and Sean Daniel, like in an unrelated conversation,
they call Mattie Simmons and say, we love National Lampoon Magazine.
Speaker 3: If you ever have anything.
Speaker 4: That's National Lampoon related that you want to get made
into a movie just and like, before they can even
get it out, Mattie Simmons says, wait, wait, wait, wait,
I've got something.
Speaker 3: It's called Animal House. You know you make me won nice.
Speaker 4: So when Universal agrees to greenlight this movie, they come
back to Mattie Simmons and they say, all right, listen,
we'll do this movie if you can do it for
three million dollars or less, and so Matty Simmons says,
of course, yeah, absolutely we can. Mattie Simmons says, I
had no idea I had even I didn't even have
a frame of reference. I didn't know whether movies cost
a million, two million, thirty million, fifty million. He's like,
I had no idea that they said three million dollars
and I leapt at it and I said, yes, no problem.
Speaker 3: Part of I don't want to step into the casting
part of things too much, but I don't think this
is going to be an issue. But part of the
problem was all of these guys were unknown actors at
the time except for John Belushi, and so what they
needed was someone who was a star to be in
the movie to draw them in. And they thought, well, nobody,
we can't get anybody who can't find anybody. But as
it turned out, John Landis had worked with Donald Sutherland
on Kelly's Heroes. Remember when he went to Europe, It's
where he was inspired to write the story of American
Werewolf in London. That's right. He was working on Kelly's
Heroes and worked with Donald Sutherland. And Donald Sutherland was
nearby making another movie and John and just just basically
called him up and said, hey, I got this part.
He's like, you can shoot it on the weekend. It's
going to be super easy. But we've got to have
somebody who's a name. And I've heard two different stories
on this on what he got paid, but one of
this is the one from Donald Sutherland's mouth. Yes, he
comes in and he's like, okay, I'll just you know,
I'll help these guys out. I'll be in for a
couple of days in and out, and he says, and
so I do things to lighten the mood in this movie,
like doing a scene with my pants off, and then
he left it in the movie like he's already angry,
and and he says, and then when we started talking
about what I was going to get paid, they were
offering me points on it. He said, they offered me
something like six points on this movie. And all I
can think to myself is this movie is not going
to make any money. You guys just need to pay
me the studio standard salary that I get. And that's it.
Worst financial decision I ever made.
Speaker 4: Those points would have amassed to about what four or
five million.
Speaker 3: Bucks some some amount of millions?
Speaker 6: Yessh.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: John Lennis at one point was Keiver Solan's babysitter.
Speaker 3: Wow. Right, And so it's kind of a family friend.
Speaker 4: Also, John Landis was like childhood friends with Elmer Bernstein's son. Yeah,
and so you know, John Landis has got Donald Sutherland
as a friend and Elmer Bernstein as a friend. He
called him up and asked the Elmer Bernstein to score
this movie.
Speaker 3: Now, just for those of you who haven't listened to
every single episode that we've had, we talked about this
in year one of the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast.
But if you don't know who Elmer Bernstein is, there's
a movie you might have heard of that he composed
the music for, called the Ten Commandments. He was not
he did, I mean, he composed the Great Escape, The
Great Escape, the National geographic music like that's their theme
song was created by him. He was he was in
the class with John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith. I mean,
he was a big guy, but he was producing these
kind of large, epic scores and this is a freaking
college fraternity movie. Well, as it turns out, he's still
composed this kind of epic pomp and circumstance music and
it works so well because it's this weird like You've
got all of this sophistication to your music while these
guys are popping their potatoes out of their mouth, like
is it that's it? Okay? So, in watching Revenge of
the Nerds, you don't have a particularly big director, and
none of the guys who are in it in are
big stars at the time. Obviously, John Goodman goes on
to become a big star, Anthony Edwards goes on to
become a big star, but they weren't doing anything particularly big,
Like Anthony Edwards had done Fast Times, a Ridgema High
at this point and not much else. High School USA. Yeah,
and I can't believe you brought up high school.
Speaker 4: Hey, listen to the cast of High School USA.
Speaker 2: Michael J.
Speaker 4: Fox, Dana Plato, Todd Bridges, Crisp and Glover, Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, don't forget Gilligan.
Speaker 4: The Skipper Beaver Don Wells is in that movie.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah, So anyway, you don't and you don't
have a particularly big name director associated with this movie.
So I'm this and I'm thinking to myself, how did
this movie? Like, how did this movie really get made?
You know? And so I had to go back and
look at who the producers were. So one of the
producers is a guy named Ted Field, and he is
the air and descendant of a guy named Marshall Field,
which may mean nothing to you, but if you were
from Chicago, you probably know that name. By the time
that Ted was born in nineteen fifty three, his dad
owned the Chicago Sun Times, Okay, and so, you know,
not too shabby. His mom and dad ended up getting divorced.
His mom marries another guy. They move up to Anchorage, Alaska,
and that guy buys the the Anchorage Daily News. Okay,
So he's in that class of folks that don't know
what not enough money means, right, right, And so he
goes on to college and he I mean I would
just this life is so interesting. He starts this thing
called Innerscope Racing, where they are doing Formula five thousand racing,
and he is he is having guys enter the Indy
five hundred and they're making engines for these cars using
Portion nine thirty five engines. It's just it's this cool
little thing. And then just in nineteen eighty two, just
a few years later, he just thinks, yeah, Okay, I've
had enough car racing. I think I'm gonna go start
a communications company, which means a film production company. Right,
So in nineteen eighty two he founded Interscope Communications, which
goes on to produce fifty major films. But nineteen eighty four,
their first big success is a movie called Revenge of
the Nerds. All right, very good.
Speaker 4: There was an article in an LA magazine titled Revenge
of the Nerds, and it describes computer programmers that had
been working in Silicon Valley and all of a sudden,
these guys are innovative, They're making money. These geeky guys
are now like six usful guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, for people who were born after the dot
com bust, you really have no idea the difference in
class that guys who were rejected and made fun of
from when we were kids. Like if it was the
eighties and you got called a nerd, that was the worst.
You didn't want that, you didn't And then all of
the nerds became super rich because computers became a thing.
So you've got Steve Wozniak, total nerd, multi billionaire, Bill
Gates a billionaire, all nerds. And so yeah, this this
unique little story that just I mean, nineteen eighty four
hits at the perfect time where the nerd class is growing.
They feel the bullying power that is that is upon them,
and this is their this is their revenge moment, This
is their Cinderella moment. This is there, these are their
rocky and you know, you.
Speaker 4: Think about it, in nineteen eighty four, that's still like
really pretty early in the computer phenomenon, right, right, you
watch this movie. They're operating computers with no mouse, right,
you know, right, And so computers are a new thing.
The people who have the knowledge to operate them, it's
kind of a new talent, a new skill. Yeah, so
it's not like everyday America where everybody knows how to
operate a computer.
Speaker 3: Right, well, and we didn't really talk about it with
Animal House, but there was a little trouble once they
had gotten the funding for this, there's a little trouble
getting a college to agree to allow them onto the
campus to produce. And so Animal House I believe was
produced at the University of Oregon. Is a University of Oregon,
that's right, And I think the I think they had
been rejected by most every other university, but the University
of Oregon had also rejected the graduate that's it.
Speaker 4: And because I'm not sure it was the University of Oregon,
it was one of the people who worked at the
University of Oregon. Oh, Okay, I think it was at
a different college. Okay, I may be wrong on that.
Speaker 3: Well, whoever it was, they said, listen, this was a
bad call the last time we did this back in
nineteen sixty eight, ten years later, let's make the right
call and let these guys do it now. Of course,
they weren't too happy with how things were going. Basically,
these actors came in and some of them are older
than college kids, but they're pretty close, right. They are
unlike Revenge of the Nerds, but where the guys are
thirty but Anyway, they come in and they start partying
with a lot of these college kids, and at some
point there's a literal fight that breaks out between the
fraternity members and the guys play the actors playing the
fraternity members. That is a full on buckle face brawl.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is a great story. I don't want to
skip over this. So Tim Matheson who played Arter, you know,
Peter Raggert who plays Boone, Karen Allen who plays Katie,
she's there. The guy who plays Hoover, he's there, the
guy who plays d Day. They're all at this party
and Tim Matheson is like hitting on all these guys girlfriends.
He's being Arter at this party, and he starts to
realize that his charm and his smile is not really
working with these fraternity guys. And there starts to be
kind of a heaviness in the room, and he goes
over to Peter Raggert, who plays Boone, and he's like,
hey man, I'm kind of getting a vibe here. I
don't think we're really welcome, even though we're invited.
Speaker 3: I don't think people want us here.
Speaker 4: They're not digging the Hollywood thing. And meantime, the guy
who played Hoover, his name is James Whitos. He's downstairs
and like a guy is holding up his hand not
letting him in, and he's like, I'm in the cast.
I've been invited to this party. You need to let
me in. The guy's like, no, you're not coming in it.
And the guy who plays d Day his name is
Bruce McGill. He's been in a lot of stuff. He's
there and as they're leaving, like they're like, okay, we're
out of here. It's one of those deals where the
bouncer says get lost, and so Hoover at the last
second pops his cup of beer in his face and
in that instant, three hundred fraternity guys turn on these
actors and start beating the crap out of them. Matheson's
just getting pounded, Karen Allen screaming her head off to.
Speaker 3: Leave them alone, oh, I guess.
Speaker 4: And so finally they managed to kind of get away,
and they're trying to do the cool thing and like
walk away, Like Bruce McGill is like, we were trying
to be like Studley, leave with our dignity, walk away.
He turned and he's like, guys, I don't think walking
away is going to work. And Tim Mathison's like, you're right,
let's run. And they had to take off running.
Speaker 3: From this fraternity party.
Speaker 4: And every time I think about that, I'm like, I
wonder what these guys thought when they finally saw the movie.
Speaker 3: You know, right, so on the Revenge of the Nerd
side of things, mister Robert Carrodine, brother to Keith and
David Kardine. That blows my mind. He decided to do
something really unique.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: They filmed all of Revenge of the Nerds at the
University of Arizona in Tucson. Well, he enrolled before the
filming started. He enrolled in classes, and he wore his
nerd gear. He wore the button the shirt buttoned all
the way up, the pocket protector, the hair that was
sticking up in the back like alfalfa, and the nerd glasses,
and just to get a vibe of what it was
like to be a nerd on college campus, thinking okay,
well this is an acting exercise. Well that's great. It
was so impactful that after it happened, he sat in
his hotel room for three days getting over it. The
abuse or the real whatever he went through was something
that was so significant that he did not want to
be around other human beings for three days. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. Well, so here's another story for you.
So the University of Arizona agrees to let them film
Revenge of the Nerds on their campus. Yeah, and then
two weeks later the university administrators say, no, we changed
their minds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had gotten approval from Bill Varney, the assistant
vice president for administrative Services. But then yeah, two weeks
later the administrators said, nope, we're pulling that permission. And
that's I mean, that's a crappy thing to do. We've
you've for the last two weeks, we've been like prepping
and filming and doing stuff.
Speaker 4: Come on, guys, And so Alan Bigel, who's the vice
president of university Relations, he says, there is nothing you
can do or say that will make us change our minds.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They were worried that it was portraying campus life
in a way that was not representative of the real
college life. Right, of course, Yes, it's worse in real
college it's worse. Right, we would have gotten an X
rating had we shown what happens in real fraternities and sororities.
That's right.
Speaker 4: After some negotiations, the university allowed filming on campus as
long as the producers tried to schedule the film shooing
so it did not affect campus activities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it basically came down to Jeff Canoe, the director
of the movie. He went to this guy that you said,
there's no way we're going to change your mind. He
went to him directly and said, listen, I have a child,
and I am not going to direct a movie that
I would not let my child watch. That's interesting, which
makes me question his parenting given how many felonies we
have in this movie.
Speaker 4: Well, but here's the thing that's interesting, based on what
he said to get the directing job.
Speaker 3: Right. So, when Jeff Canoe, who is the director of
this movie, was interviewed by producers, they said to him,
what kind of movie do you think you're going to make,
and he said one I would be embarrassed to have
my name on and they said, you're the right man
for the job. Gosh, that's great.
Speaker 4: By the way, most of this movie was shot in
January of nineteen eighty four, which is why there are
not as many students on campus and they can kind
of work around it that way, all right, be ready
to get into the cast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about casting.
Speaker 4: Okay, we want to flip back to Animal House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys up for a toga party?
Speaker 3: Ta na taa. I think they liked the idea.
Speaker 4: Who All right, So when they're casting for Animal House,
keep in mind they have three million dollars to make
this entire MOVIEEP Okay, they can't hire anybody expensive nobody, right.
We talked about how Smoking the bandit. They hired Burt
Reynolds and he took up two thirds of the budget.
Speaker 3: They can't do that. So the big name that they
get is John Belushi.
Speaker 4: See if you can guess what I am now?
Speaker 3: Amzi it? Get it? They paid him forty thousand dollars
to do Animal House. Wow, forty thousand that's crazy. Here's
the kicker too.
Speaker 4: They wanted chevy Chase to play Otter, who if you
look at it, chevy Chase would be great as Honor.
He's tall, he's good looking, he's a leader, he's got charisma,
he's everything that Otter would be. But John Landis didn't
want chevy Chase. And think about how hot chevy Chase
was in nineteen seventy eight. Okay, he was on the
cusp of becoming a major movie star. John Landis didn't
want chevy Chase as Otter. He wanted an actor to
portray the character of Otter. Okay, right, So chevy comes in,
he takes over. He of course is I'm chevy Chase
and you're not, which kind of fits the out of character.
But he didn't want that. He wanted an unknown actor
to play Honer. So John Landis hires Tim Matheson. Of course,
chevy Chase and Tim Matheson are connected from the movie
Flech Fletch. Right, But here's the way he talked chevy
Chase out of becoming Otter for Animal House.
Speaker 3: I thought this was brilliant.
Speaker 4: So John Landis goes to chevy Chase, and of course
John Landison and chevy Chase are friends. They've worked together
in spies like Us and Three Amegos. So John Landis
goes to chevy Chase, and chevy Chase had on the
table he had foul Play with Goldie han And and
Animal House. And John Landis says, listen, you really want
to do this movie Animal House, I'll tell you it
is an ensemble movie. So it's a lot like Saturday
Night Live. So nobody really gets this spotlight. Everybody has
their own character development. It's a total team effort, and
that's what you're used to ensemble. So you know, that's
why you want to do our movie because it's not
really a star treatment type of thing. If you do
this movie foul play, you're gonna be a carry grant
movie star with Goldie Han and you don't really want
that manipulation at its.
Speaker 3: Finest, right there, total right, subtle. Right.
Speaker 4: So Tim Matheson is an unknown actor.
Speaker 3: He's hired to be arter.
Speaker 7: Don't tell me you're gonna pork, Marlene Desmond.
Speaker 1: Pork gonna hump her brains out, aren't you?
Speaker 2: Boom?
Speaker 7: I anticipate a deeply religious experience.
Speaker 3: It's great, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now then Thomas holtse they bring him in to play Penzol.
Tom Holst goes on to be Amadaeus.
Speaker 3: He's also in Parenthood. Yeah, he's the he is the
drug adult reject brother in Parenthood, which by that time
in his life was a really true to life part
for him. Is that right? Yeah, he went off the
rails pretty hard. He Yeah, he got heavily involved in
drugs and alcohol and just had a hard time interesting,
which is crazy. You know, you watch almadeas his performance
in that is spectacular, Like he makes the movie. He
absolutely makes the movie. You know. It's just kind of
sad to see that those things can impact your life
that way and rob you of your talents. Yeah. Unfortunately
I sent you a picture of him today he is
not recognizable as the same guy. Well, I mean it
was thirty six years ago, so you know, but still okay.
Speaker 4: They hire an actor named Peter Reigert to play Boone. Now,
the Boone character was meant for Bill Murray.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine that that Chevy Chase and Bill Murray
playing those two parts together, given the history of them
fighting a fist fight each other on the set of
Side n Now, Yes, yeah, can.
Speaker 4: You imagine a movie with Chevy Chase, Bill Murray and
John Belushi?
Speaker 3: No, I would never would never, It would never have
gotten finished, right, they would have all burned to the ground.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Dan Aykroyd too, dan ackroy was supposed to be
D Day. I mean, what a different movie that would
have been. And I don't if it had gotten made,
maybe it would have been spectacular. I don't know, but wow.
I mean you basically have all of the Saturday Night
Live cast playing a bunch of frat guys.
Speaker 4: Sure, d Day was played by Bruce McGill. He's been
in Wildcats. He's the opposing coach Wildcats. He's been he
was in one of the Miami Vice episodes. He's a
good actor, but it's interesting to think dan.
Speaker 3: Aykroyd in that part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you have Stephen First who plays flounder. Okay,
you know how he got the job. Stephen First was
a pizza delivery guy in Hollywood who had aspirations of
being an actor, and so he knew that he would
be delivering pizzas to Universal Studios, and so inside the
pizza boxes he would post like his head shot inside
the cardboard box of the pizzas.
Speaker 3: If you're not remembering, he's the one that when they
put his picture up as a pledge, everybody started throwing
beer cans at because he's not really a great looking guy, right,
but he thought his head shot inside of a pizza
box would get him a job.
Speaker 4: Somebody noticed him from his pizza box and invited him
to audition. Right, It's great that role came down between
him and Meatloaf.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's interesting. Meetloaf would play that part later on,
you know, twenty years later in Bike Club.
Speaker 4: That's right, same part. And then Karen Allen goes on
to do Raiders of Lost Ark. Of course she got
Raiders from this movie. Steven Spielberg loved her character and
she looks so young and pretty and innocent and nice
and sweet. Gets involved in a little love triangle with
the Donald Sutherland and Boone. So let's talk about the
Omega House. So you've got James Dowton, who played Greg Mamillard.
He's basically the stand equivalent in Animal House, right Greg
Is this supposed to be this song? He had been
in Planet of the Apes, he's been in v This
blew me away because I've never really even recognized him.
But he plays a Russian agent and spies like Us,
which is of course.
Speaker 3: Directed by John Landis. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Mart Metcalf plays Niedermeyer.
Speaker 2: You're all worthless and week drop and give me twitty.
Speaker 4: You've got a pledge pin on your uniform, which he
then of course takes to twisted sister.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what is that? You have a twisted sister
pen on your uniform, You're a fat disgrace.
Speaker 4: He goes on two star in One Crazy Summer, who
basically plays the same a whole character in both movies. Yeah,
you have a nineteen year old Kevin Bacon who plays Chip.
Speaker 3: In this movie. Thank you, sir, I have another.
Speaker 4: Which I've got a great story. Don' let me forget
to tell you the story. At the end when they
go to the premiere, he's in the cast. He's one
of the main characters and the bad guy in the
Omega House. His ticket doesn't say he gets to sit
with the cast, so he had to sit like in
the back row with all the other and he was
trying to tell everybody, no, I am in the movie.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, whatever, kid.
Speaker 4: Then you got Mary Louise Weller who plays Mandy. Her
biggest credits are bj and the Bear in Fantasy Island.
After this, then you have Martha Smith who plays Babs.
And you have of course John Vernon, who plays Dean.
Speaker 3: Warmer, Fat, drunk and stupid. There's no way to go
through life soon. His work and his lines in this
movie may upon the reviewing, may be the funniest part
of this movie. He is absolutely hysterical. That opening scene
sells the movie. Yes, it's it's too good. Dean Warmer
who I mean a couple of years earlier, he was
in you know, the Outlaw Josie Wales as the guy
who is like the competitor for Josie Wales. You know
he was.
Speaker 4: Hired from his performance in outlowd Josie Wells.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's such a badass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a no nonsense, tough guy.
Speaker 3: It's perfect. And I love when.
Speaker 4: Hoover's trying to make their case at the fraternity probationary hearing.
He's like, excuse me, sir, I'd like to be heard.
Speaker 3: That's not very fair.
Speaker 4: He's like, you sit down and shut it. But the
one cast member I really want to talk to you about.
It's kind of an urban legend. Sarah Holcombe plays Clarette
de Pasto. She plays the thirteen year old daughter of
the mayor. Oh yeah, Pinto takes to the fraternity party.
He doesn't realize she's thirteen, and she gets you know,
she passes out, and you got the angel and the
devil on his shoulder, which we'll talk about later. She's
played by Sarah Hulcomb. If you don't recognize her. She
plays Maggie and Caddyshack.
Speaker 3: Thanks for nuting. Oh god, that's all I need. By
the way, not a real Irish accent, in case you're wondering,
that's right. So yeah, tell us the story. So here's
the deal.
Speaker 4: She has four credits to her name. One isn't caddy Shack,
one is an Animal House. I don't care what the
other two are. Those are two home runs. She's playing
hilarious characters. She should have had this huge movie career.
Speaker 3: The question is, well, what happened to her?
Speaker 4: And we talked about this in our Cadishack episode, But
basically she got roped into drinking and drugs and struggled
with mental health issues, including schizophrenia and some other serious
mental health issues.
Speaker 3: She has gone underground, like we have no idea where
she is anymore.
Speaker 4: People who want to do follow ups, you know, for
like the fortieth anniversary or forty fifth anniversary of Alama House,
you know, they reach out to her, like her brother
is like the point of contact. And I watched an
interview like we reached out. We really wanted to talk
to Sarah Hulcombe and her brother said she was honored
to be included in that movie. Thanks for asking, no thanks,
And so she's like this Hollywood legend where just she vanished.
Speaker 3: There you go, Sarah Holcomb tragic. Yep, Okay, we want
to talk about the cast of Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah,
let's do it. Okay, okay, gosh, you're going to show
me your guards two and four kings. That's good? Yes, no, no,
you got too many kings. Oh, Shane got to get
rid of these.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll take three of these kings out and will
replace them with pretty fresh card.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: Okay, you've got Robert Carodine who plays Lewis.
Speaker 3: Robert, as I mentioned, brother of Keith, maybe half brother
of Keith and full brother of David Carodeine. Right, So two,
if you're thinking of these three brothers together, one of
them plays a significantly different type of character than the
other two. The other two are kind of badasses, and
then you have Robert playing the nerd r. Yeah, and
I sent you a picture. I was like, you remember
talking about John Carodine, the father of these three guys,
And you're like I'm I'm like, okay, here we go,
here's some hints. And I was like, movie directed by
Joe Dante and you were like Grimlins and I'm like now,
and then I believe the second hint was his character's
name was Earl Kenton, which was a horror film director name,
like all of the other characters in this movie. And
you're like, ah, the howling, the hell yep, the howling.
That's interesting. So yeah, John Carrodine had been a guy
who had been in a bunch of monster movies, like
he was. He was in those movies that like the
Lown Cheney Junior movies and the Bell of the GHOSTI movies.
It's actually a fantastic picture of those three guys, like
diving in to eat somebody's head in some movie, you know.
And but his favorite credit, I love this, This is
obviously not in the heyday of his career. That was
a movie called Billy the Kid Versus Dracula. He was Dracula.
Oh nice, Yeah, nice.
Speaker 4: I did listen to Robert Cardine talk about his start
in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in a John Wayne movie, The Cowboys.
Is that what it was?
Speaker 4: In a John Wayne movie called The Cowboys? Yeah, And
he was sharing a scene with the duke right right,
and he noticed that he didn't really like the way
that John Wayne was pronouncing his words. And so this
young guy.
Speaker 3: He's a kid, he's twenty if. Yeah, they were all young,
they were young kids in that movie. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he says, he says, he corrected John Wayne and
he said something like I think you ought to say
it like this, and John Wayne says, we don't think, son,
we act. He said, the Duke put me in my place.
And I just thought that was a great story.
Speaker 3: That is a great story. That's fantastic.
Speaker 4: Okay, second, Billy, you got Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3: Goose talk to me, Goose, talk to me.
Speaker 7: Goose.
Speaker 3: Gilbert and Goose are the same actor. It's crazy.
Speaker 7: I'm a nerd, and uh, I'm pretty proud of it.
Speaker 3: And then he goes on to be a heart throb
in er with George Clooney.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he didn't want to play this role. I
have to tell this story. When I said something about
Anthony Edwards, you were with me and my daughter, my
twelve year old daughter, and my daughter's like the basketball
player and you're like the who, No, we're talking about
the actor. There's not a basketball player. She's like yeah,
And then there's a and by golly, you looked him
up and you're like, I am a fool. He is, like,
what top scorer in the Olympics Right now.
Speaker 4: He's on the Dream Team. He's killing it. He had
twenty six the other night.
Speaker 3: Yes, your daughter schooled me in sports. I can't believe
I didn't know who. That was great. It was great.
Speaker 4: So Anthony Edwards had been in a movie called Gotcha,
who was directed by Scott Canoe. Okay, yeah, and so
I think that's kind of how he landed this role. Yeah,
I heard him talking. He's got At the time of
the interview, he has like four kids between ages of
fifteen and seven. And the interview guy says, have you
shown your fifteen.
Speaker 3: Year old Revenge of the Nerds yet?
Speaker 4: And he says, no, he hasn't seen it. He goes,
I know he's heard of it. I know he knows
I'm in it. He goes, but I don't want to
erase any ounce of respect I may have left in
the bank with him by showing him how nerdy I
was as a as an actor.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and he really was the one who stayed
truly a nerd throughout this whole thing. He was the
guy who didn't change, He didn't hook up. As far
as I could tell, he didn't get violent. He was
just he was trying to do the right thing throughout.
He really was. Even though even though Robert Chardine kind
of took over because he was so nerdy as the
kind of star of this, Anthony Edwards was the true storyline.
Starts with him in bed, worried about going to school,
being scared to leave his mom. You know, yeah, not
because he's scared for himself, but he's just worried about
leaving her. So sweet, he's a sweet kid. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now I would make the case that he does end
up with Judy.
Speaker 3: Who's Michelle meinrink? Name is Judy. Judy's a nice name, Gilbert. Yeah,
she's a nice girl.
Speaker 2: A big deal.
Speaker 3: Did you get in her pants? She's not that kind
of a girl, booger.
Speaker 4: Why does she have a Penis who we've talked about before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's in Real Genius, which we haven't talked to
you at place, Jordan and Real Genius, which I had
a total crush on her. She was awesome. I loved her.
But she was also in the Outsider. She's in the Outsider.
Speaker 4: She's the girl sitting next to Cherry Valance at the
drive through when Dally comes up and starts bugging them.
Speaker 3: There's another actress that I'm surprised didn't do more. She
was in I mean, you got The Outsiders, you've got
Real Genius, You've got Revenge of the Nerds. And she's
a major part in all of these movies and she's
very engaging. I'm just I wonder why she didn't do more.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm not sure. Let's talk about mister
Ted McGinley. Okay, so he plays Stan in this movie.
He's the head Alpha Beta.
Speaker 3: Yes, he is the guy from Happy Days.
Speaker 4: He was in Happy Days, he was in Married with Children.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Jeff Canoe saw Ted McGinley on the cover of the
Men of usc calendar calendar.
Speaker 3: He was a calendar boy. He's a pinup boy. Yeah,
that's great.
Speaker 4: Decided that he would be perfect to be the head
guy of the Alphabeta fraternity. And I will tell you
this as a former athlete myself. When he throws javelin,
that guy's jock. You can tell he's a jock.
Speaker 3: Okay. I saw that part and to myself, I said, okay,
they picked this part of the competition to show him
doing something that he could really do, because, as I
mentioned to you, when you when they are in the
weight room and I'm watching the weightlifting that he's doing,
I'm like, what in the holy heck what is that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like he's spinning, like he's got the weights in his hands,
spinning his arms around in this weird sort of I
was just like, that is not an exercise anybody should
ever do in their lives if they want to have,
you know, no injuries. That's just it's awful. It's awful
to see it see it happen. But yes, I could
tell that he had had some experience with the javelin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Julie Montgomery plays Betty Child's naked.
Speaker 3: She'd been in One Life to Live. You know, she
doesn't really do a whole lot. She's just the cutie
that kind of carries this the love interest line on
the Babe. Yeah. Now, Timothy Bussfield, he plays Poindexter. Fantastic part. Like, okay,
so Timothy Bussfield again, nobody at that point. He goes
on to be one of the main guys in Thirty Somethings. Yep,
he was in field of dreams. He was a major
guy in West Wind. I mean he's he's a major player.
He becomes a major player after this. And he's not
really nerdy in those things, like he's just kind of
the regular redheaded guy. But this part was very much
a side character. And that's an interesting there's I'm this
is gonna be a similar story. I'm gonna tell to
another guy you're gonna talk about here in a second.
But the actors before they come in to do their read,
they're like, man, I really don't know. This character doesn't
have much and so he brought his own story to it,
Like he he put his hair in that weird party
to the side the thing. He went to a thrift
shop and bought the suit that he wears throughout the movie,
and he liked I don't I think the character had
one line in the whole movie. But he is a
key Poindexter is a key ingredient, especially when it comes
to the final music competition and he's the guy playing
the electric feddle. You know, you're right.
Speaker 4: He doesn't say very much, but he does things like
he bumps into a wall and you know he can't see,
so he's kind of a mister McGoo type of character,
and he says, excuse me, and then when they're watching
the illegal videos of the sorority house, he's like, ah,
and he looks looks, you know, he improvised that. Yeah,
I can't describe what actually happens there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yes, well and he dances and he dance
and then the dancing is fantastic, right, it's it is
the perfect combination of nerd and I'm getting my groove on. Yes,
let's talk about mister Curtis Armstrong for a second. Okay,
dowthan Dudley, call me Booger. That's the other story. Just
like Timothy Bussfield, Booger was a character that had really
no major part in this movie. That's right. And Curtis
Armstrong did even more. He did even more than Timothy
Bussfield it.
Speaker 4: He said, I really wrestled with him for a long
time because I don't like being disgusting myself, and so
I just had to convince myself that this was a
acting challenge that I needed to tackle.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 4: Turned out to be a top three acting experience for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's he's just come off of ski business.
He was Tom's best friend. Yeah, he's the sometimes you
just got to say what the And then he of
course goes on to be in one of our favorite
TV shows, Lighting Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the top
three right there, right Viola Yeah, and he's yeah. He
said that a lot of the lines that he had
in this movie were improved lines, but by doing that,
it becomes some of the best lines in the movie.
Like Booger is arguably one of the best characters in
the whole movie, and it really is because of Curtis
taking that acting challenge.
Speaker 4: I was listening to an interview with him, and he
was making the case that he is not a nerd.
He's an outsider for sure. Yeah, but he's not a nerd.
But because he was kicked out of the freshman dorms,
he has been forged with these guys and so he
is now a adopted member of the nerds. Yeah, all right,
let's talk about Larry B.
Speaker 3: Scott, same kind of scenario. Not actually a nerd, but
definitely an outsider.
Speaker 4: Yes, he came to the audition with glitter in his hair,
the handkerchief around his neck, and the producers could not
stop laughing at him, and so they hired him right
on the spot. He actually is one of the guys
in Cobra Kai who gets beat up by Danielson in
the Karate Kid.
Speaker 3: Most people do not remember that. It's crazy. Yep.
Speaker 4: Okay, a couple more guys I want to talk about.
You got Brian Tauchi, who plays Toshiro, who Booger's teaching
to play cards. Yes, I have a two and four
kings that's good, right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, so you got too many kings here. But
he's super funny. He goes on to do some work
in the Police Academy movies. His character is hilarious, by
the way, drinking real beer when they're doing the tricycle race. Wow,
they said he was hammered.
Speaker 3: Did he take that medicine that negated the album? Yeah?
I wish that was a real thing. Right, all right,
let's talk about Donald Gibb. Yes, not one of the beachies.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: No, not Barry Gibb. No, Donald Gibb.
Speaker 4: He was a stunt person before Revenge.
Speaker 3: Of the Nerds. Yeah. He went to college. He played basketball,
basketball scholarship.
Speaker 4: Scholarship until he quit the team and went to the
University of San Diego and played football.
Speaker 3: There you go. Because he's six' four and he's huge an. Athlete,
yeah now listen to. This when he, auditioned he was
a stunt. Man they were having trouble filling the role Of,
ogre so he goes on to Play. Ogre of, course
but his agent, said, LOOK i know this. Movie they're
looking for An. Ogre they can't find anybody wants you.
Auditioned so he goes in and he, reads.
Speaker 4: But he has a full beard hu and his agent
calls him back and, says, listen they like what you're,
doing but they think you're too. Old he, goes so
shave your beard and come over here and do another.
Read he said he had twenty minutes to get over,
there so he shaved like lightning.
Speaker 3: Fast and so he goes. Back in those, days the
blades were not great and so he had toilet like
bloody toilet paper all over his.
Speaker 4: Face when he went into, audition he, Said Jeff, canoe the,
director was, like you need to take off that bloody toilet.
Speaker 3: PAPER i have to think that his contribution to the
movie is a key to its. Success his just hisd
that bit was one of the most memorable parts from
The from the preview that we would see before it came,
on and even the movie. Itself he plays a part
that is crucial in the to the success of the.
Speaker 4: Movie absolutely, absolutely and then he goes on to become
a nerd like in the subsequent.
Speaker 3: Movies so you've got you've Got Marcy darcy As, stan
and you've Got Donald gibb is ogre. Yep, now if you'll,
remember there's a third, guy, right there's a third. Guy
you think about the poster and it's Got Anthony edwards
And Robert, carrodine you, know standing with the girls on
top of three frat, guys, right, Yes and so obviously
one of those Is ted, McGinley the other one Is Donald.
Gibb the third. Guy crazy story on how he got this?
Part you tell.
Speaker 4: It, well here's WHAT i. Know his name Is Matt.
Speaker 3: Salinger, yeah his dad IS. Jd. Salinger and for those
less literate folks out, there that's the guy who Wrote
The catcher in The.
Speaker 4: Rye and basically they were fans of his dad's.
Speaker 3: Book, Yeah Jeff canoe was a fan of this guy's,
book of his dad's, book and so he gets the.
Part SO i said to, you do you know what
else he was. IN i do Not, yeah this was
an exciting find for. Me he was in a movie
in nineteen ninety that was a not big release movie
but A tv, movie but a first in a series
Of marvel movies where he played the part Of Steve
rodgers Aka Captain. America oh my, gosh that was played
By Matt salinger in the wildly popular rated three point
two On IMDb Original Captain america. Movie that is. Fantastic,
okay so let's talk About John goodman as Co. Chairs
when you.
Speaker 6: Were a baby in your, crib your father looked down at.
You he had but one. Home someday my son will
grow to be a. Man we'll look at.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 6: Now you just got your asses whipped by a bunch
of go damn.
Speaker 3: Nerds. Nerds, ah, YES i mean actor of imminent, renown
but in nineteen eighty four hadn't done a whole. Lot
he is awesome in this.
Speaker 4: MOVIE i think he's one of the guys who does
the best job in his, role.
Speaker 3: Right because in him you see the, jocks the frat,
guys you see their. Future, yeah and then nicely against
that in the nerd, future you see the dean and
The dean and the coach play against each, other, right,
sure and of course in the end The dean wins.
Speaker 4: Out you just got your asses whipped by a bunch of.
Speaker 3: Nerds nerds.
Speaker 4: Words So John goodman o curse goes on to Do
The Big, labaski which we have done an episode.
Speaker 3: On go back and find that. One that was a fun. Episode,
yeah And Raising, arizona which is the one we compared it.
To that's.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah John goodman's incredible. Actor, ye Local missouri. Guy and
then The dean is played by a guy Named David
wall who hasn't done a whole lot other than that. Movie,
sure but you've got another couple of guys that are.
Important number, one you've Got Bernie, casey the president of
the Tri lamb chapter that has to get. Grant And
Bernie casey has been in so many of these like
small parts in these great, movies Including Spies Like us
and it Wasn't Spies Like. Us, yeah he's the guy
that comes out and kicks. It, well what are we
supposed to? Do and he's like maybe something like this
just knocks everybody, out that's. Right and then he was
also In bill And ted's excellent adventure as the history
professor given them their. Stuff he's In Never Say Never,
again and he's In i'm, On get You. SUCKER i,
mean he.
Speaker 4: Plays Felix lighter In Never Say Never, Again James bond's best.
Speaker 3: Friend, yeah and get, this this is a deep.
Speaker 4: Cut do you remember when we Did Best Horror movies
of the, Seventies, yes AND i told you one of
my favorite ones was a movie Called. Gargoyles, yes, Yes
Bernie casey plays the main gargoyle in that crappy old horror.
Speaker 3: Movie. Ah, okay, okay, nice there you. Go and there's
one more actor that we have to, mention Mister James. Cromwell,
Yes James cromwell plays the, dad Mister. Skolnick, yes, Yes lewis's,
Dad lewis's, dad and he has you, know he is
an obvious. Nerd he is also an obvious. Nerd, Now James,
cromwell you've probably seen him In La, Confidential you've probably
seen him In The Green, Mile you've probably seen him
in The General's Daughter. Babe but he said that he
was the one that came up with the definitive.
Speaker 1: Nerd.
Speaker 3: Laugh, Right college guys are all. Alike so you really
care about it's getting Laid and he says he knows
that he's the one that came up with it because
he had gotten it from his ex. Wife that was
how his ex wife used to, laugh and he just
thought it was, ridiculous and so he imitated her, laugh which,
then of Course Robert carradine imitated him imitating her. Laugh
and so you've got the most, iconic.
Speaker 4: Fantastic, okay, well that's gonna do it for the end
of this. Episode come back next week when we talk
about part. Two we'll go through funny parts of this.
Movie we'll give our final judgment on which movie we
think is the better one next.
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last week we did the New shirley You Can't Be
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