Speaker 1: Weird things happened in the Weird Weird Weird.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Bledsoe said, so, guys, we I know I
Speaker 2: always say this, but I really mean it. We have
Speaker 2: a very special guest tonight, my friend Paul Cinderella, the
Speaker 2: executive vice president of the Monrostitute and the chief Technology officer.
Speaker 2: Are you hearing my cat mew Paul I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. But before we get into our
Speaker 2: conversation tonight, I just want to mention to you guys
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Speaker 2: I getting that right? Alex and Delavan, Wisconsin at the
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Speaker 2: cannot be there because I will have a freshly born
Speaker 2: baby of about two weeks old at the time, and
Speaker 2: it's just too much for me to go. But don't stress,
Speaker 2: because Alex will be there and you know the rest
Speaker 2: of my family. It's going to be a good time.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of other amazing presenters there. There's going
Speaker 2: to be four skywatches, by the way, three of them
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Speaker 2: and one of them is going to be private where
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Speaker 2: dot com. Awesome, All right, well, Paul, I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: have to make you wait through that.
Speaker 3: No worries.
Speaker 2: It's so good to see you man. How have you been.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good to see you too. I've been great,
Speaker 4: been busy, you know, which is always a good thing.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot going on Edmnroe these days.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Over the course of my time at Monroe, this is
Speaker 4: really pretty unique in terms of how how much things
Speaker 4: are just happening in general, just a lot of opportunities
Speaker 4: coming our way, which I mean, it's just so fantastic.
Speaker 4: So it's very exciting. Good to be busy.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I just have to comment on that that
Speaker 2: I think that right now Monroe is hotter than it's
Speaker 2: ever been. It's it feels like it's just exploding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really is. I think that's true.
Speaker 4: I mean when we look back historically at where Monroe
Speaker 4: has been, you know, since the early day, since the seventies,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's never been like this. And we
Speaker 4: have people at Monroe who have been on staff for
Speaker 4: like thirty years, and we are definitely in unique territory here.
Speaker 4: You know, the fact that we have basically sold out
Speaker 4: almost all of our campus capacity already for this year
Speaker 4: as of like January. That's like never ever, you know,
Speaker 4: even been close to happening. You know, ten or fifteen
Speaker 4: years ago. It was often a struggle just to fill
Speaker 4: programs and keep things going. And I mean it's just
Speaker 4: so rewarding to see that we're in such a different
Speaker 4: place right now. And you know, I think it's a
Speaker 4: combination of things. I think it's obviously a lot of
Speaker 4: effort intention on our side, you know, intentionally trying to
Speaker 4: really get this out to the world in a big way.
Speaker 4: But it's also I think just sort of indicative of
Speaker 4: what's happening in general. I think people are seeing what's
Speaker 4: going on in the world, and I think people are
Speaker 4: ready for, you know, something more. They're ready for a
Speaker 4: deeper understanding of, you know, kind of who we are
Speaker 4: and why we're here.
Speaker 3: So it's just, yeah, it's great to see that all
Speaker 3: coming together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's honestly so true. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're right that so many people now are seeking something more.
Speaker 2: They're seeking something profound in a way to connect with themselves,
Speaker 2: to connect with, you know, the other side, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is that people are are are looking for.
Speaker 2: It feels like, you know, they find a piece of
Speaker 2: that at Monroe. I don't know if that makes sense,
Speaker 2: but it opens so many doors for so many people,
Speaker 2: and I just I appreciate that about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 4: And I think speaking just from my own experience, like,
Speaker 4: and I know I'm not unique in saying this, you
Speaker 4: know it the experiences that I've had at Monroe and
Speaker 4: kind of on my owners as well, have just changed,
Speaker 4: you know, the way that I approach life. I mean,
Speaker 4: when you you know, we get to the core of
Speaker 4: what Monroe's all about, and it's about giving people this
Speaker 4: direct experience that we're more than physical. And like, when
Speaker 4: you have that experience and it's your own experience, it
Speaker 4: really changes the way that you approach things, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of it kind of changes your value system, It
Speaker 4: changes what you think is import important, changes your understanding
Speaker 4: of why we might be here, you know, having this
Speaker 4: sort of physical experience. But it's such a profound shift,
Speaker 4: and you know again that that happens to a lot
Speaker 4: of people, So it's yeah, I mean, I think we're
Speaker 4: just so ready for this kind of thing because we're
Speaker 4: we're in this society today and you know, we see
Speaker 4: how things are going, and we're you know, we're always
Speaker 4: kind of told that, you know, physical realities all there is,
Speaker 4: Like science will tell us that, and consciousness is just
Speaker 4: the byproduct of your brain. And when that's the case,
Speaker 4: it sort of leads us to where we are. You
Speaker 4: think of physical as all there is, and we're just
Speaker 4: kind of here by accident. Well, it's it's survival of
Speaker 4: the fittest, it's me versus you and us versus everyone else,
Speaker 4: and we're all just here fighting with each other for survival,
Speaker 4: you know, in resources or whatever it is. When you
Speaker 4: realize that you're more than physical, it just it just
Speaker 4: changes the whole perspective on this experience, and you tend
Speaker 4: to move towards, you know, seeing others as a part
Speaker 4: of yourself. You know, if we're all part of this
Speaker 4: this you know, this single field of consciousness, it means
Speaker 4: fundamentally we're all part of the same thing. And it's
Speaker 4: not about it's not me versus you, it's how can
Speaker 4: we sort of work together? It's how can we how
Speaker 4: can we you know, kind of treat each other with
Speaker 4: love and compassion instead of just you know, everything that's
Speaker 4: going on in the world today.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I just.
Speaker 4: Again, for me, I can't I can't understate how how
Speaker 4: significant that change has been and that shift has been
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 2: Same I would say. And so it's been two years
Speaker 2: this June. Yeah, it was June that I went to
Speaker 2: the I believe it was the first ever Creator Gateway
Speaker 2: and that's where we met just for you know, the
Speaker 2: listener's knowledge, and it was obviously for me, like whoever
Speaker 2: is listening to this show. They know that it was
Speaker 2: a profound life changing experience for me. But really, Paul,
Speaker 2: what I'm finding with the Monroe experience as I'm getting
Speaker 2: more programs under my belt experientially and running outreach programs
Speaker 2: and you know what they say, it's like to teach
Speaker 2: us to learn twice, you know for sure, and you
Speaker 2: run the programs and then you hear all the feedback
Speaker 2: from the people, and then coupled with you know, this
Speaker 2: is a little unique. Most people aren't in the trainer position,
Speaker 2: but with the training of how to be able to
Speaker 2: guide people through this long story short, I feel like
Speaker 2: I've had a very intimate connection with the experience over
Speaker 2: the last two years that has so profoundly changed my life.
Speaker 2: And I will say that going through not only the
Speaker 2: program experientially, but through the training to become a trainer,
Speaker 2: because what does that entail, right, It's being in close
Speaker 2: contact with this on the daily.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and really getting deeply immersed in yeah kind of
Speaker 4: the content and the history and the Methodist right right.
Speaker 2: It has truly changed my life. I feel like this
Speaker 2: whole process has informed how I, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: view how I present myself to the world, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. And I've learned that the greatest part of
Speaker 2: them in ROW experience is not even the week that
Speaker 2: you're there, that's fantastic, but it's the rest of your
Speaker 2: life after, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: For sure, yep, yeah, you know, it's as people come
Speaker 4: through programs when you you know, when you go through
Speaker 4: this kind of shift in your in your belief system
Speaker 4: and your values, it leads to a lot of change.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people find they realize, oh, they
Speaker 4: didn't want to be in that job, you know, forever,
Speaker 4: or they want to do something that they feel is
Speaker 4: more aligned to you know, kind of what they want
Speaker 4: to do and how they want to contribute to the world.
Speaker 4: And I think, again, that's just such a great thing
Speaker 4: for society to find a way, like for people to
Speaker 4: find what their true passion is and really be able
Speaker 4: to kind of pursue that. I think it's just a
Speaker 4: really you know, kind of special.
Speaker 2: Gift, something I think that should not be understated and
Speaker 2: is such a profound part of the Monroe This is
Speaker 2: just my words. It's obviously like not official ROW words,
Speaker 2: but I say, like the Monroe system or the Monroe
Speaker 2: process or whatever. Yeah, process, process, something that's so powerful
Speaker 2: about it. And one of the reasons I think that
Speaker 2: it's so prolific in the world today is because we're
Speaker 2: talking about experiential universal truth, but very strictly from a
Speaker 2: lens of non dogma. Yeah, and I think this has
Speaker 2: allowed it to become what it is today, you know,
Speaker 2: with with a notion of being approachable by all. Does
Speaker 2: that make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, being non dogmatic, I think
Speaker 4: is one of the things that makes Monroe pretty unique
Speaker 4: because you know, the things that we're talking about that
Speaker 4: were more than physical, Like, that's not a new idea,
Speaker 4: you know, that's been around forever in all kinds of religions.
Speaker 4: But I think you know, what to me is different
Speaker 4: about Monroe is we're giving people like in the past,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, a thousand years ago. I mean, we
Speaker 4: had religions telling us this, and if you were a
Speaker 4: yogi and could spend you know, ten years in a cave,
Speaker 4: you could attain these states and kind of find these
Speaker 4: things out for yourself. But what Monroe does is kind
Speaker 4: of put those experiences within reach of anyone, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of giving people access to these states of awareness
Speaker 4: that otherwise you'd have to spend years meditating to reach that.
Speaker 4: To me, I think is something really unique about this time.
Speaker 4: You know, in human history, we've never you know, we've
Speaker 4: never really been there. I mean, there have been plant
Speaker 4: medicines as well, and those certainly help people access these states,
Speaker 4: but generally, like those kinds of things, you know, I
Speaker 4: think there are people who embrace that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: but it's not really like a jet like I wouldn't
Speaker 4: give that to my parents, right, I mean, there are
Speaker 4: certain people that just don't want to go down the
Speaker 4: plant medicine route, whereas putting on headphones is something that
Speaker 4: I mean we all do all the time. Anyone can
Speaker 4: do that, and it's a different kind of experience too.
Speaker 4: It's more, you know, when you're using what we're providing,
Speaker 4: it's more controlled. It's sort of it's less like you're
Speaker 4: strapped on a rocket ship and being blasted into another reality,
Speaker 4: and it's more like, you know, you're navigating your way
Speaker 4: into these states of awareness, and it's much more in control,
Speaker 4: and you know, you can just stop at any time.
Speaker 4: It's not like you're just along for a ride and
Speaker 4: whatever happens happens, and you know, hopefully it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's so true. You know, Like I wrote
Speaker 2: in my own journal, the first time I did the
Speaker 2: Gateway Voyage two or three times felt like d MT.
Speaker 2: And the only reason I know that is because I've
Speaker 2: experienced DMT before. But it wasn't. It wasn't in the
Speaker 2: scary sense of like you know, like you said, being
Speaker 2: blasted off a rocket ship. But it was in that
Speaker 2: sense of dissolving from ordinary consciousness and then going into
Speaker 2: an expanded experience. The only thing that my frame of
Speaker 2: reference could compare it to was that point being, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's profound and and I think that Monroe serves
Speaker 2: as an example of the pinnacle of like Western culture,
Speaker 2: the good parts of Western culture. How we like to
Speaker 2: codify things scientific lens. We're talking about things that are
Speaker 2: intimately very you know, we can say consciousness based, spiritual whatever, weird, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever people want to say to classify that.
Speaker 2: And I think what Monroe does so well, and the
Speaker 2: genius of the system is very efficient, efficiently and intimately
Speaker 2: codifying the process for like you said, like, well, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to give my my elderly father h ayahuasca,
Speaker 2: you know, put on these headphones, but the power is
Speaker 2: in the human mind. So it's just so effective. It's
Speaker 2: it's honestly mind blowing. I could say here for an hour,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to waste your time. I could
Speaker 2: say here for an hour, and I could nerd out
Speaker 2: to you about why it's so amazing. And I'm always
Speaker 2: trying to slip it into my show every little every
Speaker 2: little chance that I get. So yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 4: The other thing too, that a lot a lot of
Speaker 4: people find is the quality of the experience is is
Speaker 4: different as well. Like when you're you know, in a
Speaker 4: d MT experience, a lot of times you may experiencing something,
Speaker 4: you maybe experience something that is, you know, truly profound,
Speaker 4: but it's like your awareness and your state of mind
Speaker 4: is so far away from kind of normal that sometimes
Speaker 4: it's hard to bring those experiences back. You know, a
Speaker 4: lot of people feel like they're they're kind of like
Speaker 4: they're not quite themselves when they're in that de MT experience,
Speaker 4: Like it's so deep, your your ego dissolves, and you're
Speaker 4: just in such a drastically different kind of state of
Speaker 4: awareness that it's often hard to bring something back meaningful
Speaker 4: from that. I mean, it does happen, but certainly, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it can be a challenge, whereas at least in
Speaker 4: my experience and what i've you know, as I've talked
Speaker 4: to people, when you go to these states, you know,
Speaker 4: again intentionally on your own through this deep meditation, you
Speaker 4: know that kind of we allow through the technology. It's
Speaker 4: and I'm speaking from my own experience when I'm in
Speaker 4: those states, I'm me, like my awareness, it feels like this,
Speaker 4: like I can be an environment that is every bit
Speaker 4: is real as what this is now. But I just
Speaker 4: I know that my body's in bed and I'm experiencing
Speaker 4: some completely immersive, you know, realer than real kind of reality,
Speaker 4: and I'm exactly as I'm now. I still have my
Speaker 4: thought processes, I'm still totally who I am, and that
Speaker 4: to me is just mind blowing. Like that the first
Speaker 4: time I had experiences like that, you know, there's.
Speaker 3: No going back.
Speaker 4: It made me realize that if this non physical reality
Speaker 4: can feel as real as this, well it sort of
Speaker 4: you know, helps me understand that this reality. You know,
Speaker 4: a lot of people think this isn't kind of the
Speaker 4: base reality in other words, like consciousness is the fundamental
Speaker 4: reality and this is kind of this virtual reality that
Speaker 4: we experience together, you know, to have this physical experience.
Speaker 4: But it proved to me that the richness of this
Speaker 4: physical environment is not unique. There's a richness to other
Speaker 4: non physical environments that can feel every bit as real
Speaker 4: as this, and that I think is just totally interesting.
Speaker 2: That's so true, and that's a great point. I never
Speaker 2: even like compared it to that or you know, made
Speaker 2: that mental connection. But like for example, I had a
Speaker 2: few experiences at Gateway, and of course I just want
Speaker 2: to you know, give disclaimers for the listeners who haven't
Speaker 2: enjoyed the process yet. Obviously it's different for everyone, and
Speaker 2: everyone has their own unique things that unfold. But like
Speaker 2: for me, I had an experience where it's like I
Speaker 2: was an ancient Egypt or I was you know, with
Speaker 2: Native Americans thousands of years ago, temporal displacements where you know,
Speaker 2: I feel as if I'm in the past. But even then,
Speaker 2: like I knew it was me, and I was thinking
Speaker 2: about how it relates to me now. Whereas like you said,
Speaker 2: when you do some sort of substance, there's like that
Speaker 2: dissolution of the ego and like you know, when you
Speaker 2: spoke DMT or something like that. You have no clue
Speaker 2: who you are, you know, and you have a hard
Speaker 2: time integrating a lot of these things until after the fact.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a good point. I never thought about that.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that I want to add
Speaker 2: to that why I love them in ROW system so much.
Speaker 2: You know, I do have a psychology degree, and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that I'm scientifically minded by any stretch, but
Speaker 2: I would say that I'm very logically and like a
Speaker 2: lot of times left brain, I have to understand how
Speaker 2: things work, and I have to understand the why and
Speaker 2: the how and all this stuff, and it scratches all
Speaker 2: of those itches. I mean, as you know, there's so
Speaker 2: many scientists that get involved and they're just mind blown
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh my god. You know, I understand
Speaker 2: there's a process here in the brain. But beyond that,
Speaker 2: beyond all those barriers of proof that people typically need
Speaker 2: to understand something and engage with something, the most important part,
Speaker 2: I feel is the empowerment methods learned in the program
Speaker 2: to be able to or any of the programs, really
Speaker 2: all of them, to be able to switch through the
Speaker 2: states effortlessly. Coming from someone who devoted all of my
Speaker 2: you know, university years to psychology and studying the brain
Speaker 2: and the mind and how these models work, and you know,
Speaker 2: the neurology and all that stuff, and then having left
Speaker 2: the monrostitute, it just completely changed my outlook on what
Speaker 2: I thought I understood about the human mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely yeap.
Speaker 4: And what's cool the experiences you're talking about where you're
Speaker 4: you're kind of seeing, you know, potentially these past life experiences.
Speaker 4: Those are really interesting too, because you know, when that
Speaker 4: happens to me, it's like you get a different you know,
Speaker 4: what you think of as you is different. Right if
Speaker 4: you think of you as just like this is all
Speaker 4: I am, this is all I ever will be, and
Speaker 4: when I die, that's the end of me.
Speaker 3: When you when you know.
Speaker 4: Through that direct experience, that's not true, you know, what
Speaker 4: you think of as yourself changes now you realize, well,
Speaker 4: there's a there's a you that is all those things.
Speaker 4: Like you've had all these different lifetimes and there's this
Speaker 4: bigger kind of story arc of you as as as
Speaker 4: consciousness having these different experiences, living these different lifetimes for
Speaker 4: the purpose of your own evolution. So you know, like
Speaker 4: your whole sense of self really expands to something much
Speaker 4: broader and bigger than it is now. And it's like
Speaker 4: you can put this life experience in a perspective that
Speaker 4: you couldn't otherwise. Like if you say, okay, well maybe
Speaker 4: this life is one of you know, one hundred or
Speaker 4: a thousand, who knows, you know, what what am I
Speaker 4: here to do in this lifetime?
Speaker 3: Like what can I learn from this?
Speaker 4: And when you approach it as like this this learning
Speaker 4: kind of experience, in this in this you know, broader
Speaker 4: definition of who you are again, it just changes the
Speaker 4: way that you approach things. Like you may decide, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's not about just you know, kind of acquiring
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of material things like that can't be
Speaker 4: why I'm here. If I, if I, you know, have
Speaker 4: this broader vision or this broader understanding of myself and
Speaker 4: I have these multiple experiences, the goal can't be to
Speaker 4: just acquire a bunch of stuff that you're just going
Speaker 4: to get rid of at the end of your life
Speaker 4: experience anyway. So again, the things that are important to
Speaker 4: you and the kinds of experiences that you seek or
Speaker 4: the things that you value in life, that to me
Speaker 4: changed a lot. You know, I started to value experiences
Speaker 4: and relationships more than you know, things like I can
Speaker 4: learn from experiences, I can I can learn from relationships.
Speaker 4: You know, having a bunch of stuff is kind of
Speaker 4: meaningless at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: You know. Again in this context of having these multiple
Speaker 3: life experiences, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's profound. I've I've had similar you know, realizations myself.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it hits every one of us differently,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's it's like my words, not Monroe's,
Speaker 2: but it's like we all have that different karma, you know,
Speaker 2: the things that we have to figure out. But like
Speaker 2: for me, one of the most valuable things that I
Speaker 2: realized coming let me just explain it like this. So
Speaker 2: I grew up with a dad who was more or
Speaker 2: less like known around the world for exhibiting psychic abilities
Speaker 2: and things like that. So me personally, I grew up
Speaker 2: with a complex thinking that, well, surely that's not me.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have anything like this or anything
Speaker 2: going on. And like I went to my Gateway and
Speaker 2: did an intake interview. I'm not sure if they do
Speaker 2: that at every Gateway. My group was a really different
Speaker 2: okay cool and in my interview Maya, wonderful human being,
Speaker 2: wonderful trainer. She was like, you know, what, what's your intention?
Speaker 2: What do you what do you want out of this?
Speaker 2: And I was just like, you know, I'm just here
Speaker 2: to experience and to learn. Because I called my dad,
Speaker 2: I called my sister, and both of them, you know,
Speaker 2: had already been to Monroe a couple of times, you know,
Speaker 2: like through the History Channel and other things, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what should I know going into this, And
Speaker 2: both of them were just like, you should humble yourself
Speaker 2: because you're going to a place of learning and just
Speaker 2: be open. And I was like, okay. So I told Maya.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm open. I don't know what to experience.
Speaker 2: I personally don't believe that I can go out of
Speaker 2: body or anything like that, but I'm open to it.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's not why I'm here. I'm just
Speaker 2: here to have a good time and to learn. And
Speaker 2: by the end of the week, things happen for me.
Speaker 2: People can hear that on my three part series, but
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of things happened for me that
Speaker 2: were for me enough to have that shift in my
Speaker 2: understanding of me, you know, And I was forever changed
Speaker 2: to where now I don't even know the words for this,
Speaker 2: where I'll just be laying in bed and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll go out of body or something will
Speaker 2: happen that it's like unprompted, and you know, and it's good,
Speaker 2: it's positive. It's something that I enjoy and that I
Speaker 2: was seeking. But the point is, it's like that complex
Speaker 2: was dissolved, something that throughout my life I struggled with
Speaker 2: so bad. I'm not special, I don't have abilities. I
Speaker 2: can't do this, I can't do that. Went there for
Speaker 2: a week, experienced it for myself, and I was forever
Speaker 2: altered in like, you know, the sky's the limit. Now
Speaker 2: I'm just like, well, I want to learn about this.
Speaker 2: I want to learn about this. This is possible. You
Speaker 2: can do this too. Now I want to help people
Speaker 2: do it too, and you know, be a trainer. And
Speaker 2: I know that's not the experience for everybody, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's great. I mean it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it is. Again, I think we've been saying the same.
Speaker 3: It really does change.
Speaker 2: You, Yeah, yeah, it does. I'm curious, like about your
Speaker 2: journey becoming your role for the institute chief Technology Officer
Speaker 2: and executive vice president because that's incredible. And you know,
Speaker 2: I did an episode with Alan and we went into
Speaker 2: all that and heard her story. But I'd like to
Speaker 2: kind of hear your story, like how you got to
Speaker 2: be where you are?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, Well, I you know, I could say I've
Speaker 4: always kind of been a seeker, you know, even as
Speaker 4: a child. I think, you know, I was always interested
Speaker 4: in kind of the paranormal, you know, in my teens,
Speaker 4: deeply interested in like remote viewing and like you know
Speaker 4: UFOs you know at the times what we call them,
Speaker 4: and so like all those things were really interesting to me,
Speaker 4: and I always felt like that that's where that's where
Speaker 4: we really learned something, like all those things that we
Speaker 4: can't explain and don't understand, like that's that's where the
Speaker 4: real learning, you know, can take place because it's you know,
Speaker 4: we don't have explanations for these things. So I've always
Speaker 4: been interested in all of that stuff, and I you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't feel like religion gave me the answers I
Speaker 4: was looking for.
Speaker 3: You know, it's great.
Speaker 4: I mean for many people, it really you know, is
Speaker 4: very helpful and it you know, if it helps you
Speaker 4: be a better person, that's fantastic and there's nothing wrong
Speaker 4: with religion. But for me, I didn't find, you know,
Speaker 4: the answers, and I'm I'm very left brained, you know.
Speaker 4: I ended up getting into software engineering, so I always
Speaker 4: wanted to know, like, well, why does it work that way?
Speaker 4: Or how how does it work? And I didn't find
Speaker 4: a lot of those answers, you know, going down that path.
Speaker 4: So always been interested into in this stuff. And I
Speaker 4: think I first read well, I was really interested in
Speaker 4: remote viewing. And then I remember reading I forget which
Speaker 4: book it was, but they were talking about some of
Speaker 4: the remote viewers went to them in Roe Institute to
Speaker 4: learn how to become remote viewers.
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: So then I from there I kind of got into
Speaker 4: you know, Bob and Roe's books and read those probably
Speaker 4: in my late teens early twenties, and that just blew
Speaker 4: my mind, you know, I I to me, you know,
Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine like why this wasn't like news, Like
Speaker 4: why why is everyone not talking about this? Like this
Speaker 4: is so like to know that you can leave your body.
Speaker 4: It just violates everything we think we know about physics
Speaker 4: and how our you know, bodies and consciousness works. I
Speaker 4: just thought it was like the most important thing ever,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, I tried. I kind of dabbled
Speaker 4: in remote viewing at the time and kind of you know,
Speaker 4: got into trying some of the out of body stuff,
Speaker 4: but I didn't I didn't have the resources at the
Speaker 4: time to like, you know, buy the CDs and really kind.
Speaker 3: Of you know, do it that way.
Speaker 4: So that kind of continued, and then I got into
Speaker 4: kind of career and family and got busy with that stuff,
Speaker 4: and I started my current you know, software engineering.
Speaker 3: That was my whole career.
Speaker 4: So I started in like big corporate it and then
Speaker 4: left that and started getting into startups. So I did
Speaker 4: a series of startups either kind of as a founder
Speaker 4: as CTO, and it was then when I had the
Speaker 4: time and energy to kind of really get back into
Speaker 4: this whole, this whole consciousness thing. It was kind of
Speaker 4: on the side for a while, and I decided, like
Speaker 4: I really want to know if if what this, you know,
Speaker 4: what Bob and Roe is talking about is like legit,
Speaker 4: if that's real. So I decided like I'm going to
Speaker 4: try to do this and I and I got you know,
Speaker 4: the the the exercises to take the CDs.
Speaker 3: And started working my way through it.
Speaker 4: So I would do you like, work through the gateway,
Speaker 4: you know, experience, and do like one one exercise every day.
Speaker 4: And I kept doing that for months, and I would
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, go back and repeat things, and I,
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of really tried to get into it,
Speaker 4: and I was trying so hard to have the experience
Speaker 4: that Bob wrote about so like and it's it's so
Speaker 4: funny because I was just getting in my own way,
Speaker 4: like so I know this.
Speaker 2: Now, hold, I let me get you a drink here,
Speaker 2: Oh good idea.
Speaker 3: I was. I was just getting in my own way
Speaker 3: with all of these expectations and expecting to like peel
Speaker 3: out of my body, and every time something happened, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh am I going out? Like am I feeling?
Speaker 4: I was analyzing the experience the entire time, and that's
Speaker 4: like the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 3: That just that just blocks it.
Speaker 4: So anyway that I was doing these during the day
Speaker 4: and nothing was happening when I was doing the exercises,
Speaker 4: But what started happening to me at night was That's
Speaker 4: when I'd have these experiences. And for me, it started
Speaker 4: with lucid dreams like I just would spontaneously find myself
Speaker 4: aware in this dream environment and you know again like
Speaker 4: feeling like, oh my gosh, I'm like I'm in this
Speaker 4: dream environment. I know that it's a dream, but it's
Speaker 4: like it's every bit as real as waking reality, and
Speaker 4: it almost kind of like feels more real. And so
Speaker 4: that's where it began for me, and then from there
Speaker 4: I just kind of got deeper into that and continued,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of exploring those experiences and I ended
Speaker 4: up having the you know, a lot of the classic
Speaker 4: peel out of your body experiences, but for me, a
Speaker 4: lot of the most interesting experiences were you know, through
Speaker 4: you know, I think what Bob would call phasing. You know,
Speaker 4: like when when Bob talked about his early efforts, it
Speaker 4: was the physical like I'm peeling out of my body,
Speaker 4: I stand next to myself, I go fly over somewhere else.
Speaker 4: And then later, you know, in his explorations, he talked
Speaker 4: about this phasing model where it's like you're kind of
Speaker 4: turning off one, you know, one you two, you're tuning
Speaker 4: the dial on a radio, like it's my awareness is here,
Speaker 4: and then you know, my awareness can be there.
Speaker 3: So for me, it started manifesting.
Speaker 4: As like I'd be lying in bed, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to sleep, and I'm aware, and then I see
Speaker 4: like a scene kind of forming, and then I'm just
Speaker 4: kind of like it's almost like teleporting, Like the scene
Speaker 4: starts to build and I go from like being awake
Speaker 4: in my bed to like now just.
Speaker 3: Being immersed this alternate reality in this scene.
Speaker 4: And those kinds of experiences again just blew me away
Speaker 4: because it's it was literally like just teleporting from my
Speaker 4: bed into like a whole nother reality, which was really cool.
Speaker 3: And so again I just exploring those things.
Speaker 4: I mean, all kinds of experience, you know, I journaled
Speaker 4: them for a long time. I've stopped journaling at this point,
Speaker 4: but all kinds of stuff that proved to me beyond
Speaker 4: any doubt that I was more than physical and that
Speaker 4: the things that I were experiencing, you know, had some
Speaker 4: reality to them. And I think one of the most
Speaker 4: interesting and kind of verifying experiences for me was I
Speaker 4: we were on vacation at the time, and I had
Speaker 4: two daughters at this point, and we were together in
Speaker 4: a room were vacation, so sleeping all the same room,
Speaker 4: and you know, I had this really amazing experience where
Speaker 4: I ended up being in this like tropical kind of
Speaker 4: like water environment. So I'm in this tropical environment and
Speaker 4: I'm swimming under the water while kind of flying. So
Speaker 4: I'm kind of flying around into the water and checking
Speaker 4: things out and seeing kind of like coral and whatever
Speaker 4: animals there. And then out of nowhere, this dolphin comes
Speaker 4: like swimming up next to me, and I'm like, oh, cool,
Speaker 4: a dolphin. So I'm kind of flying around and this
Speaker 4: dolphin is swimming next to me, and I'm just you know,
Speaker 4: doing whatever, having a good time. This dolphin is really
Speaker 4: sticking with me, like right next to my side. And
Speaker 4: this experience goes on for a while, and then eventually
Speaker 4: I kind of come out of it and I come
Speaker 4: right from that experience, which is typically happens to me.
Speaker 4: I come right from that experience, and then like my
Speaker 4: awareness starts to shift back to my body and then
Speaker 4: like oh, okay, now I'm back, and it just kind
Speaker 4: of transitions, you know, right back to being in the bed.
Speaker 3: And it was the morning.
Speaker 4: So I wake up in the morning and I get
Speaker 4: up kind of sit up in bed, and my daughter's there,
Speaker 4: you know, in the room, and she kind of gets.
Speaker 3: Up at the same time, and I said, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: how's it going.
Speaker 4: I just had this really awesome dream And she said,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I had this amazing dream where I
Speaker 4: was a dolphin and we were together and I was
Speaker 4: swimming next to you, and we were doing all these
Speaker 4: things underwater, and like we we had a shared experience.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt in my mind, there's no And she
Speaker 4: was like six or so at the time, so it's
Speaker 4: not like she would just make up this kind of thing.
Speaker 4: We were there and we had an experience together, and
Speaker 4: we woke up from it at the same time and
Speaker 4: kind of told each other about this experience. So like
Speaker 4: that was one of the experiences that kind of sealed
Speaker 4: the deal for me. Like there's no way that that
Speaker 4: was just some kind of coincidence, Like there is a
Speaker 4: reality to these these non physical experiences. Yeah, So that
Speaker 4: like set me, you know, as I've had a number
Speaker 4: of these experiences now, like that just set me on
Speaker 4: a different path. And so kind of doing a series
Speaker 4: of startups, and at the end of the last startup
Speaker 4: that I was working on, my wife and I decided
Speaker 4: we were ready to do something different and we sold
Speaker 4: everything that we own and we moved onto a sailboat
Speaker 4: and homeschooled our two girls. And your intention was to
Speaker 4: do this kind of as a sabbatical for like a year,
Speaker 4: and it ended up being four years.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So for four years we lived on this sailboat, mostly
Speaker 4: in the Bahamas. We'd spend like eight months of the
Speaker 4: year kind of sailing around the Bahamas and then come
Speaker 4: back to Florida for hurricane season. And during that time
Speaker 4: I was kind of I took some time off. I
Speaker 4: didn't work for two of those years, and then I
Speaker 4: was doing some consulting during that time as well. But
Speaker 4: coming out of that, this is getting back to the
Speaker 4: Monroe story. Coming out of that, I realized, with all
Speaker 4: of the experiences that I've had and the way that
Speaker 4: I kind of think about my experience here, I couldn't
Speaker 4: just go back to like a normal like, oh, let's
Speaker 4: go do another startup, or let's go work, you know,
Speaker 4: at a fintech company or something like. It had no
Speaker 4: appeal to me, like whatsoever. So I knew I had
Speaker 4: to do something that I really believed in. And during COVID,
Speaker 4: we're actually on the boat during COVID when the lockdowns happened.
Speaker 4: I started working on this this kind of side project
Speaker 4: that was a kind of a like a pay it
Speaker 4: forward fundraising platform, so you'd like perform acts of kindness
Speaker 4: for people and you could donate to charity to thank
Speaker 4: someone for doing that. And I approached Monroe as one
Speaker 4: of the charities. I was like, oh, you know, Monroe's great,
Speaker 4: So I approached them and that began the conversation with
Speaker 4: Monroe because as I started talking with the folks there,
Speaker 4: that was at a time when you know, again kind
Speaker 4: of mid pandemic. Campus had been shut down and they
Speaker 4: were trying to figure out, like, how do we take
Speaker 4: what we do in these residential retreats and bring that online,
Speaker 4: you know, bring that to the to people in a
Speaker 4: different way. And there wasn't really anyone on the staff
Speaker 4: at the time who had a deep technology background, so
Speaker 4: it was like perfect timing, you know. I started there
Speaker 4: just kind of consulting first to help them formulate the
Speaker 4: strategy around how to use technology to really kind of
Speaker 4: over the mission.
Speaker 3: And it grew from there.
Speaker 4: You know, we kind of created this vision for the
Speaker 4: expand app that was kind of one of the first
Speaker 4: big things that were really focused on and then we
Speaker 4: kind of went to the board, got approval, we went
Speaker 4: out and we fundraised for it and had a donor
Speaker 4: on the spot gave us a million dollars to basically
Speaker 4: go after you know, building this app and starting this
Speaker 4: whole growth initiative.
Speaker 3: And that's where it began.
Speaker 4: So I came on, you know, from a technology standpoint,
Speaker 4: and then and then my role has kind of expanded
Speaker 4: since then, So now I focus on our overall kind
Speaker 4: of growth strategy, so I oversee marketing and fundraising as
Speaker 4: well as like some of our strategic partnerships and collaborations.
Speaker 4: So now you know, I get to focus on like
Speaker 4: how do we how do we get this out there?
Speaker 4: Like that's the most exciting thing to me, is like
Speaker 4: how do we help more people have these experiences that
Speaker 4: that changed their you know, their their worldview, change their
Speaker 4: value system. And so yeah, that's what we've been doing
Speaker 4: ever since. And it's been a crazy ride. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's been incredibly personally rewarding. I think it's probably you know,
Speaker 4: obviously the part that kind of sticks with me. I feel,
Speaker 4: you know, privileged and lucky that I get to help
Speaker 4: people have this kind of experience and see this kind
Speaker 4: of shift in their own lives, and uh, and that's
Speaker 4: been amazing.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way. And you just hit a
Speaker 2: lot of really amazing points that I naturally was, you know,
Speaker 2: wanting to bring up at certain times so we can
Speaker 2: address them. But sure, Yeah, something you talked about that
Speaker 2: was really amazing was the radio dial because I think
Speaker 2: from the outside looking in just so like just imagine
Speaker 2: the most ordinary person at home they read on the
Speaker 2: internet about out a body they've never like tried or anything,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, you know, in their head, they
Speaker 2: have probably this picture of like you're either in your
Speaker 2: body or you're out, and it's like you know, Casper,
Speaker 2: he goes through the wall. But it's it's really not
Speaker 2: like that. It's a lot more complex, and it's like
Speaker 2: what Paul described, and everything Paul was describing is how
Speaker 2: it happens to me too, where it's like you just
Speaker 2: kind of fade out and the scene builds and then
Speaker 2: it's just like you're there and it could be that,
Speaker 2: or it could be the other thing, or it could
Speaker 2: be you know, you're seeing from three perspectives. It wants
Speaker 2: in different locations, by location, trylocation. It's such a complex
Speaker 2: phenomenon that like, I think it's worth deep study and exploration,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's fascinating. It's it's mind boggling, mind boggling.
Speaker 2: That's a hard word. That's it's mind boggling to see
Speaker 2: how complex it really is. That it's not just you
Speaker 2: know what we think it is that that it's more
Speaker 2: you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a great point. I mean consciousness.
Speaker 4: You know, you think of this larger kind of reality
Speaker 4: where consciousness is fundamental and you've got all these different
Speaker 4: kind of experiences we can have. It's it's yeah, it's
Speaker 4: an incredibly rich, you know, kind of environment. I guess
Speaker 4: you could call it there and I think so much
Speaker 4: of it when you like we we we're here in
Speaker 4: this physical reality, and like the way that we measure
Speaker 4: things is like everything is objective, Like you and I
Speaker 4: have the exactly if we're sitting in the room together,
Speaker 4: we have exactly the same experience, like we agree, like
Speaker 4: there's a table here, and there's a light there, like
Speaker 4: whatever there is, Like it's it's very strictly objective like
Speaker 4: there there isn't really any difference. So what you see
Speaker 4: is what I see in my experience when you get
Speaker 4: into the non physical, that same kind of strict objectivity
Speaker 4: doesn't quite exist. So like that's why it can be
Speaker 4: different for everybody. So like we may be in the
Speaker 4: same place in the non physical and you might experience
Speaker 4: it as you know, like like a warehouse, and for
Speaker 4: me it's like, you know, something a little different. It's
Speaker 4: like a storage room in a bil or something like that.
Speaker 4: But so it's like we can experience the same thing
Speaker 4: and being the same place, but there's a lot more
Speaker 4: subjectivity in this environment because you're in the non physical,
Speaker 4: like you're in this thought responsive environment. So your mindset,
Speaker 4: your beliefs, and your thoughts I think play a much
Speaker 4: bigger role in shaping what that reality looks like. And
Speaker 4: it's it's fascinating, like you get I love getting deep
Speaker 4: into this because I'm a technologist, so I kind of
Speaker 4: think of consciousness as a technology and try to kind
Speaker 4: of tease out, well, how does.
Speaker 3: This technology work? You know, like how does how's it
Speaker 3: all put together? I just I just I find it
Speaker 3: really fascinating.
Speaker 2: We just did an episode on the Tibetan Book of
Speaker 2: the Dead, and oh yeah, I'm not sure, you know,
Speaker 2: like have you read it or are you familiar with
Speaker 2: the concept.
Speaker 3: I have, Like, yeah, I think I got through most
Speaker 3: of it. I can't remember if I finished it.
Speaker 2: I just threw it on YouTube and listened right. But no,
Speaker 2: it's very fascinating because it's like what you're describing the
Speaker 2: the you said it's thought responsive. The whole Tibetan Book
Speaker 2: of the Dead thing, for example, is like, you know,
Speaker 2: when when you die and you go into the Bardo layers,
Speaker 2: that things that you experience are projections from your thought.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was very cool that there was
Speaker 2: parallels there to so many other things, including like Robert
Speaker 2: Monroe's experience and so many others going into these non
Speaker 2: physical realities. And you know, I like that or thought responsive,
Speaker 2: I'll start using that. But yeah, it's crazy. I almost
Speaker 2: feel like we're in the same location. Maybe for you
Speaker 2: it's a warehouse, maybe for me it's a park or
Speaker 2: a club or something. But it's maybe because that that
Speaker 2: that thought form is a response that would be comfortable
Speaker 2: for me, or it comes from me or whatever. It's
Speaker 2: not so objective. But then when you were saying that,
Speaker 2: I had the thought, even if we are in the
Speaker 2: physical reality and we're sitting in the same room and
Speaker 2: we watch a movie. Did we have the same objective experience?
Speaker 2: Maybe not, because maybe I was sad and you were happy,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, things like that, you know, the Mandela effect where
Speaker 4: you know, it's I mean, it's interesting. I mean there's
Speaker 4: a lot of I don't know's, there's all kinds of
Speaker 4: stuff swirling around about the whole Mendel effect thing. But
Speaker 4: you could you could say, I mean, maybe that is
Speaker 4: literally people are having different experiences because there is like,
Speaker 4: you know, multiple versions of this reality. I mean, who knows,
Speaker 4: But it's it's interesting that there are parallels in that
Speaker 4: in the non physical. So like if if the non
Speaker 4: physical it works that way that there can be subjectivity
Speaker 4: even though you're kind of in the subjective real place.
Speaker 4: Maybe this reality is just kind of a subset of that,
Speaker 4: and maybe sometimes that underlying structure like leaks through into
Speaker 4: this reality.
Speaker 3: We start to see, you know, some of that kind
Speaker 3: of behavior. Yeah, who knows.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. There are quantum physics studies, experiments, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call them, coming out now that are suggesting
Speaker 2: that behavior in the present can alter experiences and memories
Speaker 2: of the past, which is actually you know, as you know,
Speaker 2: something that can happen during monroe'situte programs. My sister experienced it.
Speaker 2: I've experienced it. People in my outreach program this month
Speaker 2: or no, no, it was in January, my most recent program.
Speaker 2: They experienced it. Where you can have some sort of
Speaker 2: experience in an expanded state that more or less like
Speaker 2: changes your I don't know how to say it eloquently,
Speaker 2: but like changes your emotional response to old memory patterns
Speaker 2: and traumatic events and things. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think we're anywhere close to understanding how this
Speaker 2: stuff works. It's so profound, it's so amazing. And then
Speaker 2: the other point that you brought up when you were
Speaker 2: telling your story about how you got into this position,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like one of the most important
Speaker 2: things that I wanted to talk about tonight was you
Speaker 2: were explaining that in the early days of beginning your
Speaker 2: process with the Minroe programs, that you were listening to
Speaker 2: the CDs through the waves, and then you were talking
Speaker 2: about how during COVID you came in and you were
Speaker 2: more or less consulting, how do we expand this to
Speaker 2: where we can still operate during the pandemic and naturally
Speaker 2: you guys moved into virtual programs. Well, now, as I
Speaker 2: understand it, there's something new that is a part of
Speaker 2: the Monurostitute experience that I really think is so profound,
Speaker 2: it's so amazing, and I think you know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: I do. Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have just launched our Gateway online self guided
Speaker 4: like video based program. So this this is a bit
Speaker 4: of a new direction. We've done online before, Like that's
Speaker 4: not new. But what's new about this is a couple
Speaker 4: of things. One, it's truly self guided, so it's video
Speaker 4: instruction and we've got you know, Alan and Luigi, you know,
Speaker 4: two of our best trainers who have basically kind of
Speaker 4: you know, put this video together. And what's also interesting
Speaker 4: about it is it's based on the residential Gateway experience.
Speaker 4: This is also new. This has never been done before.
Speaker 4: So it's the same exercises in the same force format
Speaker 4: as you get in the residential Gateway, like when you
Speaker 4: buy the Wave CDs. That was intent that was created
Speaker 4: to be kind of a commercial product. It's a bit
Speaker 4: of a different kind of flow, same focus levels, but
Speaker 4: in a different format.
Speaker 3: So this is the it is Gateway. It's the same
Speaker 3: thing you do in the residential. It's the same exercises.
Speaker 4: It's really well guided and it's again self paced, and
Speaker 4: that's the key because it doesn't require any commitment of
Speaker 4: time like we do our virtual programs, which have been great,
Speaker 4: and that's like you take a week and you do
Speaker 4: the whole thing during the week and you're on zoom
Speaker 4: like all day. And that's a very deep, intensive experience,
Speaker 4: which is great. But many people don't have that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: many people don't have that kind of time, you know,
Speaker 4: to put towards it and being able to do it
Speaker 4: on your own time is really key, and we're trying
Speaker 4: to reach we're trying to make this available to you know,
Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands, millions of people, Like we're really trying
Speaker 4: to get this into a format that everybody can experience it.
Speaker 4: The other thing that's really unique about this too, is
Speaker 4: we have remastered all of the original exercises, So we
Speaker 4: took the exercise this is that we use in the
Speaker 4: residential and using the amazing audio tools we have now,
Speaker 4: we're able to extract Bob's original voice out of those exercises,
Speaker 4: so it's Bob's original guidance still as it is, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm cleaned up and remastered, and then we've re implemented
Speaker 4: all of the you know, the rest of it, the
Speaker 4: signals and the entrainment and all that stuff, using the
Speaker 4: latest generation of our sound technology, Monroe Sound Science.
Speaker 3: And this latest generation is very interesting. You know, since
Speaker 3: about twoenty eleven or so, like Monroe has been the
Speaker 3: MONROE'ST Dude has been continually evolving this sound technology. So
Speaker 3: in the early days, it was naural beats and that
Speaker 3: was kind of everything, and that worked really well. And
Speaker 3: now obviously we've come a long way in terms of
Speaker 3: like the kinds of audio technology we have in production.
Speaker 3: We've also come a very long way in our understanding
Speaker 3: of the brain and brain waves and how this all works.
Speaker 3: So the latest generation of the technology is based on
Speaker 3: this three D format. This is really exciting because when
Speaker 3: we're working in this three D format and it's a
Speaker 3: format called Dolby atmost you might see it like on
Speaker 3: like Netflix. You know, it's kind of a format that
Speaker 3: was made to really accurately reproduce three dimensional sound, and
Speaker 3: we mix it down into headphones so that you actually
Speaker 3: get this this virtual three D environment. We have an
Speaker 3: entrainment signal technique that's fundamentally based in this three D
Speaker 3: environment that's pretty new. So the signals themselves that are
Speaker 3: doing the brain wave entrainment are moving in this three
Speaker 3: D space. And one of the things that makes entrainment
Speaker 3: really effective is preventing habituation. So, like when you just
Speaker 3: listen to a binural beat on YouTube and it's just
Speaker 3: like a steady, you know thing, forever you start to
Speaker 3: habituate to it, you know, your brain is really good
Speaker 3: at picking out the signal from the noise, and when
Speaker 3: things get monotonous, your brain tends to just dine to
Speaker 3: dismiss it as just nothing interesting, nothing new going on there.
Speaker 3: So in this format, as we have these signals kind
Speaker 3: of moving around, they're always attracting your attention, and kind
Speaker 3: of subconsciously, our brains are wired to really pay attention
Speaker 3: to sounds that sound like they're moving around us in
Speaker 3: three D. It's like it's like a biological mechanism, you know,
Speaker 3: that that has evolved to help us understand when there
Speaker 3: might be threats around us or things that we need
Speaker 3: to pay attention to. So we're kind of playing on
Speaker 3: that evolutionary bias so that we're we're helping your brain
Speaker 3: pay attention to the signals. So that's one thing that's
Speaker 3: exciting about this. The other thing that's exciting is when
Speaker 3: we're working in this three D space and you know,
Speaker 3: we don't have a whole lot of this in Gateway,
Speaker 3: but in other exercises we can. We can craft a
Speaker 3: very convincing environment in sound. So if we do something
Speaker 3: like like with a nature soundscape where we put you
Speaker 3: in like a park and you're you know, we're really
Speaker 3: trying to build this experience of being in this environment.
Speaker 3: The more convincing we can make that sound that that environment,
Speaker 3: you know, from a sound perspective, the easier it is
Speaker 3: for you to kind of really embrace it as real
Speaker 3: and kind of you know, move your awareness away from
Speaker 3: the physical and more easily project your awareness into this
Speaker 3: very real environment that sounds like it's like the real
Speaker 3: physical world. So the more immersive and the more realistic
Speaker 3: we can create this alternate reality that we're creating in sound,
Speaker 3: the easier it is for you to project your awareness
Speaker 3: into it and kind of recognize it as a real
Speaker 3: place that you can kind of, you know, move your
Speaker 3: awareness to. So that technology aspect, I think is really
Speaker 3: interesting about this, the new Gateway Online. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: just gonna say.
Speaker 4: The last thing I'll mention too is the price point,
Speaker 4: because that's important too. You know, obviously our residential and
Speaker 4: virtual programs, I mean their price the way they are,
Speaker 4: and believe they or not, there's not like a huge
Speaker 4: margin in there. Obviously, it takes a lot to run
Speaker 4: the campus. I mean everything is priced to try to
Speaker 4: make it accessible, but still they're expensive. With Gateway Online,
Speaker 4: this new version, we're targeting at lower price points, so
Speaker 4: five ninety five is kind of the list price. We're
Speaker 4: also doing things with scholarships. We're really trying to figure out,
Speaker 4: how can we get this out there, you know again,
Speaker 4: in a way that's accessible, so make it affordable, make
Speaker 4: it easy to use on your own time. That is,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of an important future for us as
Speaker 4: we try to reach you know, millions of people with
Speaker 4: this experience.
Speaker 2: So I just want to elaborate on that. You know, again,
Speaker 2: Paul is in a different position than me, who you know,
Speaker 2: Paul's whole world is living and breathing Monroe for a
Speaker 2: number of years, and for me it's new and I'm
Speaker 2: fresh and you know, so so we can kind of
Speaker 2: talk about things differently, but like for me, I would
Speaker 2: tell you honestly, Paul is not pinching me under the
Speaker 2: table to say this, He's not even here. I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, like honestly, And yes, even though
Speaker 2: I went for free my first time as a a
Speaker 2: content creator, I have paid to do other programs people.
Speaker 2: So I'm telling the truth. It's worth every penny. It's
Speaker 2: it's no different than you know, going on a vacation
Speaker 2: to a resort somewhere or something of that nature. And
Speaker 2: just just to give you a little bit of defense there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the other thing I'll just to add to
Speaker 4: like when you go to the campus, there is something,
Speaker 4: there is something magical there, and I think it's like
Speaker 4: you know, that campus has been there for you know whatever,
Speaker 4: thirty forty years, fifty years, all of those tens of
Speaker 4: thousands of people like having those experiences in that place,
Speaker 4: like there really seems like there's an energetic imprint there where.
Speaker 3: Like again that massive people that had they're having these
Speaker 3: experiences like it there's somebody crystal magic there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Crystals, Yeah, two crystals.
Speaker 2: There's two seven foot crystals. I feel as if they're
Speaker 2: just like amplifying this this this energy. I mean, it
Speaker 2: really does feel like I mean, you just it's it's
Speaker 2: a magical place. There's there's an energy there and that's
Speaker 2: not crazy. I mean it's it's no different than like
Speaker 2: faery circles in Ireland or England, or Stone Hinge or
Speaker 2: the Pyramids. This is a thing. This is a real phenomenon.
Speaker 2: It's actually called the field effect, where when you enter
Speaker 2: a certain location that has a certain vibrational resonance that
Speaker 2: it can have an effect on your consciousness. That's not true,
Speaker 2: that that is totally a thing, But I just wanted
Speaker 2: to give you know, the institute a little bit of
Speaker 2: defense that, yeah, the program is pricey, but it's worth
Speaker 2: every penny. There's a whole team of people that work
Speaker 2: behind the scenes to make this thing flow. But what's
Speaker 2: so profound about this, this new completely self guided virtual
Speaker 2: gateway that's coming out is people have to understand that
Speaker 2: this institute has almost been an operation for fifty years now.
Speaker 2: It's been since what nineteen seventy one it was incorporated,
Speaker 2: and there are only two campuses. I mean, it's one campus,
Speaker 2: but there's two buildings where people take classes. So you
Speaker 2: have to understand, at a week program, there is only
Speaker 2: potential for like less than forty people at a time
Speaker 2: to do a program, and we're talking millions over fifty years.
Speaker 2: The sheer capacity and limit that the Monroe Institute has
Speaker 2: been throttled by, and still the amount of work that
Speaker 2: it has contributed to the masses is insane. But this
Speaker 2: new program that's opening for a fraction of the price,
Speaker 2: by the way, it's going to unleash the floodgates of
Speaker 2: what is possible. And I know it, and it's it's
Speaker 2: going to do so well, and it's a fraction of
Speaker 2: the price, but the same profound program experience. So I
Speaker 2: truly feel so optimistic and hopeful about this. It's just
Speaker 2: going to like unleash the potential into the world. And
Speaker 2: you know, I will tell you this, Paul, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I've ever had the opportunity to tell you this.
Speaker 2: When I went to the Monroe's to the first time,
Speaker 2: I'll give you my brief little version. Right, So, my
Speaker 2: father went with my sister. I was invited. I chose
Speaker 2: not to go because I had just started my podcast
Speaker 2: recently and I was just like, well, that sounds very cool,
Speaker 2: but I'm afraid if I go to this place I
Speaker 2: don't really know that much about it, I won't be
Speaker 2: allowed to talk about it publicly. So I'd rather hear
Speaker 2: you guys do it, and then I'll go next time.
Speaker 2: And of course that's not even true, but I just
Speaker 2: I didn't know Monroe, so I didn't know what to
Speaker 2: expect or whatever. Then my dad and my sister went
Speaker 2: again for the History Channel, and then there was a
Speaker 2: third time they were supposed to go, and by that time,
Speaker 2: hearing how they were changed what they experienced, I was
Speaker 2: kicking myself in the foot, like, no, I should have went.
Speaker 2: I wish I went. That was a mistake. It's like
Speaker 2: the biggest mistake of my life. Then to turn it
Speaker 2: down right, And then it was like another year later,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, I got the email I was invited
Speaker 2: to come talk about it. I turned it down because
Speaker 2: I was afraid I wouldn't be allowed to talk about
Speaker 2: it then, and I never really told anybody that. And
Speaker 2: then that's how the universe works, that's how fate works.
Speaker 2: I was invited because I was a content creator to
Speaker 2: talk about it. So that's that. That was my that
Speaker 2: was my uh experience with it. And I don't really
Speaker 2: remember why I got on that story. It had something
Speaker 2: to do with the with the uh the virtual program.
Speaker 3: But right, yeah, the new Gateway Online.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the New Gateway Online. But either way, it
Speaker 2: was just like it was profound and gosh, it'll come
Speaker 2: back to me in a minute. Oh well I was
Speaker 2: telling that for a reason, but it just drifted away.
Speaker 3: Yep, Well that happens, you know, consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but no, it's it's just it's amazing what's
Speaker 2: about to happen with this, with this virtual program, and
Speaker 2: it's going to it's just gonna change what's possible. It's
Speaker 2: going to open the flood gates. And I think that,
Speaker 2: Oh I remember, now, Paul, I remember. Okay, So when
Speaker 2: I went the first time, I was invited, you know,
Speaker 2: to talk about it. So I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: this is cool. I still didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 2: I just went, like I said, you know, open mind,
Speaker 2: open mind, I'm here to learn. And it was the
Speaker 2: first day. I think, when the real program begins, not
Speaker 2: not when everybody's traveling and showing up and you're kind
Speaker 2: of settling in. That's that's like day one technically. But
Speaker 2: then day one begins the next day after your first sleep,
Speaker 2: and it begins right and and one of the first lessons,
Speaker 2: they started explaining to us the basically the purpose and
Speaker 2: the mission statement of the Institute. And it was at
Speaker 2: that moment that I knew that this was so profound
Speaker 2: that the mission statement I might I might not be
Speaker 2: able to quote it for beatam, and you could probably
Speaker 2: help me with this. But it's essentially to seek to
Speaker 2: reach one percent of the world to expand global human consciousness.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's to reach one percent of the of the
Speaker 4: world's population with a direct experience, you know, that helps
Speaker 4: them know that they're more than physical.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the idea.
Speaker 4: And by direct experience, we mean you put on the
Speaker 4: headphones and you actually like experience expanded awareness, whether it's
Speaker 4: through like you know, something that we have on YouTube
Speaker 4: or whatever. It is, Like we've kind of created the
Speaker 4: mechanism to try to count all the different places where
Speaker 4: people have those first experiences, whether it's like in the
Speaker 4: expand app. But that's something we actually track. Like that
Speaker 4: one percent is really our driving like ten year goal.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the overarching goal for Monroe, Like, and
Speaker 4: that's how we measure our progress is how many people
Speaker 4: are we reaching with that new first time experience of
Speaker 4: expanded awareness that makes them, yeah, open their eyes and
Speaker 4: realize like, wait a minute, there's something more here and
Speaker 4: hopefully starts them down that path of discovery.
Speaker 2: I always believed throughout my life that it had to
Speaker 2: be fifty percent, that we had to reach fifty percent
Speaker 2: of the world, and somehow or another, when just above
Speaker 2: fifty percent, you know, see things differently, that the tides
Speaker 2: would shift, and you know, the world will change. And
Speaker 2: then when I went to Monroe and you guys were like, no,
Speaker 2: it's one percent, I thought about it and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I like that better. I can get
Speaker 2: behind this. You know, the rest is history, and I
Speaker 2: just I just I love that, and I love the mission,
Speaker 2: and I know that it's it's so genuine, and I
Speaker 2: consider myself a part of that. I was already on
Speaker 2: the same mission from a different lens. And I do
Speaker 2: really feel very optimistic and excited and strongly about you know,
Speaker 2: the new thing that's coming out, because you guys, it's
Speaker 2: it's like you've been slammed at capacity for fifty years,
Speaker 2: just churning them out, and it was inevitable that something
Speaker 2: like this had to happen and the floodgates to be
Speaker 2: unleashed to be you know, available to everybody at at
Speaker 2: at an affordable cost. And here's the best part that
Speaker 2: you know, it's self guided. So if you want to
Speaker 2: do it over twelve weeks, you do it over twelve weeks. Right,
Speaker 2: if you want to do one exercise a week, do
Speaker 2: one exercise a week, whatever you want, Like, it's it's
Speaker 2: your world now.
Speaker 4: It's profound definitely yep, very exciting. Yeah, looking forward to
Speaker 4: see how it goes. And we did you know, we
Speaker 4: did really extensive beta testing with this, so several months
Speaker 4: where we had you know, we've had about five hundred
Speaker 4: people now have already gone through it, and we've gotten
Speaker 4: just yeah, tremendous feedback.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just really well done. That like the
Speaker 4: and I've been to Gateway a bunch of times and
Speaker 4: so as I was watching the videos, it just struck
Speaker 4: me like, how well, how well it's explained, you know,
Speaker 4: and they think again, we've got two veteran trainers, Alan
Speaker 4: and Luigi who have been doing this for for many
Speaker 4: many years, and I think they just they just nailed
Speaker 4: it so well of explaining like the process and like
Speaker 4: you know, why you do resonant tuning and how that works,
Speaker 4: and like obviously the focus levels as you go through them.
Speaker 4: So it's just very exciting. And what I like too
Speaker 4: is there's more. So you know, you go through each
Speaker 4: exercise and there's kind of a video intro, then you
Speaker 4: do the exercise and there's a video kind of debrief,
Speaker 4: you know, So it's structured very much the same way
Speaker 4: that the residential experience is in that respect. But then
Speaker 4: there's also like you've got journaling prompts, so there's there's
Speaker 4: other ways that we can the things that we can
Speaker 4: do online that to help people engage with it. So
Speaker 4: you journal, you can get you know, we've built this
Speaker 4: sort of AI system that gives you some basic feedback
Speaker 4: about your journaling based on what other people are saying.
Speaker 4: So we're really again trying to use like all of
Speaker 4: the technology that's available today to just you know, make
Speaker 4: that experience deeper and just help people engage with it more.
Speaker 2: That's incredible, man, I'm in the beta. I've been extremely busy,
Speaker 2: and you know, full disclosure, I also while I was
Speaker 2: in the beta program, I was on my bandwidth was
Speaker 2: towards planning my own programs and like trying to run
Speaker 2: the outreach programs. But I signed into it the other
Speaker 2: day because I was actually speaking with Emily, you know,
Speaker 2: the marketing director about getting you on the show, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, I'm sorry, I didn't get
Speaker 2: your feedback. So I signed in and I actually saw
Speaker 2: there were seven hundred people. Oh wow, Okay, yeah, because
Speaker 2: it shows the number. It shows the number when he
Speaker 2: said it, So there's like seven hundred people fleshing out
Speaker 2: the beta. So yeah, I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 2: And love the expand app. I use it all the time.
Speaker 2: It's it's a very powerful tool. And I'm a big
Speaker 2: fan of Monroe Sound Science. I've actually had Agnaucio Diaz
Speaker 2: Junior on the show and you know, get just just
Speaker 2: nerding out about like the sound and how the technology works.
Speaker 2: I really, I just really want the people at home
Speaker 2: to understand how profound this is. And I don't want
Speaker 2: to put words. I have to delineate because there's two Ryans.
Speaker 2: There's podcast Ryan, who existed before Monroe, and then there's
Speaker 2: the there's Monroe Institute Ryan, who exists as a trainer,
Speaker 2: and I have to respect both systems. So I'm delineating
Speaker 2: that this is not Monroe Ryan saying this. This is
Speaker 2: podcast Ryan saying this and a training. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a difference in how you communicate things. But podcaster Ryan
Speaker 2: says that in the ancient past, it could be suggested
Speaker 2: that what Monroe has perfected in today's world through technology
Speaker 2: and through the codification of all of these different these
Speaker 2: expanded states, what's the whole whole objective? Whether it was
Speaker 2: in Tibet or Egypt, or Greece or Persia or the
Speaker 2: Templar knights or whatever tradition in the ancient past, their
Speaker 2: whole thing was about, you know, some sort of profound
Speaker 2: direct experience with the other. And maybe you can elaborate
Speaker 2: on this, Paul. But there's a very famous story that
Speaker 2: I feel like they probably tell it all Gateways, at
Speaker 2: least everybody I know that's done it, and other programs too.
Speaker 2: But there's this famous story. I think it was the nineties.
Speaker 2: There was a a you know the story, do you
Speaker 2: want to tell it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was a head of a
Speaker 4: Buddhist temple. I think he was ninety one years old
Speaker 4: or something. Like this, and he came to Gateway in
Speaker 4: the nineties and you know, went through it and he
Speaker 4: said that, you know, people in Gateway were reaching states
Speaker 4: in one week that took him years of sitting in meditation,
Speaker 4: and that It's funny because that quote ended up being
Speaker 4: in a Wall Street Journal article in the nineties, which
Speaker 4: is how we kind of you know.
Speaker 3: Have it and found it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, that's that kind of sums it up
Speaker 4: really well. Like it's like you're you know again, like
Speaker 4: you these aren't new states, but making them easy for
Speaker 4: like every person to reach is totally new. Like I
Speaker 4: just I don't feel like there's ever ever been a
Speaker 4: point in history where that's been that easily accessible and available.
Speaker 4: And I think, again, what's what's so important is like
Speaker 4: it gives people a direct experience of the divine and
Speaker 4: whatever you think is beyond physical. You know, in the past,
Speaker 4: we relied on, you know, on religions and middleman and like, okay,
Speaker 4: you know, the priest is the one who talks to
Speaker 4: God and you know, you to kind of interpret what's
Speaker 4: going on. And now it's like you've got a direct
Speaker 4: line to get answers. And the other thing that I
Speaker 4: think is so important about this work when you do
Speaker 4: this is it's not someone else's answers. And that's a
Speaker 4: really kind of important.
Speaker 3: Thing for me about Monroe is that we don't tell you,
Speaker 3: like Bob and Roh had his experiences and he wrote
Speaker 3: about him, but we don't tell you, oh, here's how
Speaker 3: it all works.
Speaker 4: And Bob was like, this too, from what you know,
Speaker 4: people that have been around and you know, people would
Speaker 4: ask them questions and you know, like why does this happen?
Speaker 3: Or what should I do?
Speaker 4: And he said, you know, well go find out, you know,
Speaker 4: go experience it for yourself. And that's that's been kind
Speaker 4: of the way that Monroe operates ever since. Is it's
Speaker 4: not like we're not here to give you answers. We're
Speaker 4: here to tell you how to find your answers. And
Speaker 4: your answers aren't necessarily my answers because my experience is
Speaker 4: different than yours. So it's a way to find like
Speaker 4: your personal truth that resonates with you through your own experience,
Speaker 4: and that I think is again is so different than
Speaker 4: than what at least I've experienced in any kind of
Speaker 4: like organized spirituality, you know, context, it's it's it's the
Speaker 4: truth like in those in those cases, there's there's the truth,
Speaker 4: and this is the truth that everyone has to kind
Speaker 4: of embrace and.
Speaker 3: Kind of ratify. This is your truth. So that's just
Speaker 3: beautiful to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's something that I love. It's like, go explore.
Speaker 2: You know, people have questions and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's a great question. Find out, Go explore. You know,
Speaker 2: you have the tools. So this is what I meant
Speaker 2: earlier when I said that the monro'stitude is kind of
Speaker 2: like the embodiment of peak Western science. Taking this profound
Speaker 2: thing that's out there and some other space, you know,
Speaker 2: non physical realities, consciousness and the spectrum of in and
Speaker 2: out of the body. It's taking this very bizarre and
Speaker 2: deep and confusing metaphysical suggestion and very much through Okham's razor,
Speaker 2: just narrowing that filter through which we can experience this
Speaker 2: where you know, I don't have to go sit under
Speaker 2: a tree in India for thirty years, or sit by
Speaker 2: a waterfall into bed or you know, Egyptian temple ar etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 2: Those things are cool. I love talking about those things
Speaker 2: and studying those things. But that's this is why I
Speaker 2: was so blown away by Monroe because it's truly just
Speaker 2: so efficient, it's modern. It's to me, my what you know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I experienced in the out
Speaker 2: of body state was I was seeing myself in the
Speaker 2: past in ancient Egypt, and I was being told about
Speaker 2: things basically in the temple. But in that moment, in
Speaker 2: that out of body state, it's like information was coming
Speaker 2: through to me that like there's really not that much
Speaker 2: difference between that back then and kind of like what
Speaker 2: happens at Monroe. Like it's it's just the difference is
Speaker 2: you don't need religion, you don't need dogma. It's universal.
Speaker 2: This is an ability that's a part of your being,
Speaker 2: your multi dimensional nature. And you know, having grown up
Speaker 2: very super religious, it's like, you know, well I thought
Speaker 2: I had to believe a certain thing to experience this. Well, no,
Speaker 2: you don't experience things or have abilities or whatever because
Speaker 2: of what you believe. It's because of who you are
Speaker 2: and what you are. It's universal, right, and you can
Speaker 2: experience this and you can explore parts of yourself and
Speaker 2: you can still believe those things if you want to.
Speaker 2: That's great, you know what I mean. So it opened
Speaker 2: a lot of doors for me, the Monrostitute process and
Speaker 2: just everything about it, you know, diving into the culture
Speaker 2: of the knowledge, becoming a trainer, devoting my life to
Speaker 2: the process. It just it's been good for me, so
Speaker 2: that no complaints.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, is there anything that you feel like is
Speaker 2: left on your heart? Or do you feel pretty much
Speaker 2: at peace with where we're at, because I think we
Speaker 2: hit all the things I wanted to hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh yeah, I'm feeling good. I think we've covered
Speaker 3: a lot of ground. I think. Yeah, it's been a
Speaker 3: great conversation. Yeah, really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, guys, before we wrap, thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: Please I encourage you to look into all the things
Speaker 2: that we've discussed. I am actually building an outreach website,
Speaker 2: a website where I can do my programs, but I'll
Speaker 2: focus on that later when it's finished. For now, I
Speaker 2: want you, guys to where could they find the app?
Speaker 4: Just go to the Monroe website and it'll be there.
Speaker 4: We've got actually, we've got a new homepage as well,
Speaker 4: so you know, the homepage makes it easier to find Gateway.
Speaker 4: So from the home page you'll see Gateway and then
Speaker 4: you just go get right to it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So just to be clear, the new experience, the
Speaker 2: self guided virtual with all the videos, it's not on
Speaker 2: the Expand app, It's on the Monroe's.
Speaker 4: Website, correct. Yeah, Actually that's a good point. So right now,
Speaker 4: this is kind of a two phase approach. So right
Speaker 4: now it's on the website and the way that you
Speaker 4: take the courses through the web. Now you can use
Speaker 4: your mobile and it all works there as well, but
Speaker 4: it's not built into the Expand app yet. But it
Speaker 4: is going to be coming, and that's that's going to
Speaker 4: be kind of the phase too. Like for now, we'll
Speaker 4: get it live and get people going on the website
Speaker 4: and then we'll integrate it, you know, more deeply into
Speaker 4: the Expand app in the future.
Speaker 2: Amazing. And I have been authorized to tell you guys
Speaker 2: that for the first two weeks after launch, you guys
Speaker 2: will be getting a discount with code BSS all caps
Speaker 2: b s S, So enjoy, enjoy your discount, go have fun,
Speaker 2: go explore. I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. Paul,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's been an honor. I look
Speaker 2: forward to connecting with you guys soon and we love
Speaker 2: you guys and we'll see you next week. Great.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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