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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to I am President. We've got so

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much to go through today that I don't want to

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dedicate more than thirty seconds to bitching. But Sam, we

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speculated last week about whether you'd be wrong about your

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suspicions that would not be the best. Just to an update,

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you were not wrong. I was not.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, was I.

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Speaker 3: Ah. But it's been a week just hating the entire

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concept of presidents now because of.

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Speaker 1: That, I mean, I've had a week of being quite

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amused at the I don't know, seeing people like twitching

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tongues or whatever. I decided to pick a fight with them.

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All funny stuff anyway, for real, this is that's not metal.

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Of course, this is your weekly heavy metal, heavy music

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discussion show, and this time we are back here with

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a pretty significant, meaty episode of reviews. Before we get

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into them proper, I will talk about, I guess you know,

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the few weeks we have had and how big they

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have been and so on. But just right off the cuff,

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we can say that today in this review show, we

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are going to be talking about the new albums finally

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from Ghost, Machine Head, Behemoth Pop, The Callous Dower Boys,

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Model Actra's Age of Apocalypse and sidge In and as

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you can imagine from reviews that are so substantial, we've

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got to be quite efficient with the news here. But

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there's also quite a lot of note that has come

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up in the last seven days as well over there.

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So you know, we could start by devoting ten to

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fifteen minutes to talking about President and that whole you

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know shebang. We could start with sleep Token receiving their

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first ever number one album in both the UK and

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the US. They broke the massive vinyl sales record that

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we spoke about ghost setting like only just a couple

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of weeks beforehand, and it's amazing how all those things

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considered how I don't know, inevitable and not that much

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like news that actually felt crazy as it definitely is,

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you know, seeing a you know, ostensibly a metal band

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landing like an entire like album bomb on like the

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actual like Billboard Hot one hundred Songs chart, like the

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individual songs from it appearing in that thing. Anyway. But

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let's get into some stuff that we'll go into a

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bit more about. My name is Perenheish you heard there,

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Sam Dignon, Elliott Paisley as usual is also here with

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us to do the reviews. But let's start with some

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news and I guess we'll just quickly go off the

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fact that today, as we were recording, we've had the

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announcement that Metallica are going to be bringing their big

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old was it No Repeats weekend for some of the dates,

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not all of them, but that style tour they have

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been over a couple of years. Now they're going to

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be bringing it back to the UK and certain dates

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of Europe as well. Well. Here in the UK they'd

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only done was it two years ago? They did Download festival,

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you know, really kind of extending the amount of years

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they're doing this particular thing. But as well as several

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dates around brownd Europe that they didn't get to last time,

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we here have got We've got dates in Dublin where

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they are doing a no Repeats weekend. There's individual dates

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in Glasgow and Cardiff, and there is a double you know,

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no repeats date in London at the London Stadium that

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is that the one that's west Ham's ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is that lovely stuff would probably be going to one

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of those shows hopefully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And supports differ depending on the date, so you'll

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have to check and see which one the date you

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are eyeing up has, but Goodjira and Not Loose are

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supporting at some dates, Pantera and Avatar are supporting at

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some And if you have a no like a double

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date like the Dundon one for example, each date has

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those differing support bills. So if you were to, for example,

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the two dates in a certain city. If you were

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like mega bands in there isn't there and the Metallica

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no repeats weekend. I haven't seen it yet. I've been

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very jealous of everyone who has seen it. I was

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jealous when Mark was on here last year talking about

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going to see it in Finland and whatnot. This is well,

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it's Metallica in it. It's obviously one of the biggest

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events of the year, even in a well even in

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a year we actually this is into twenty twenty six,

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isn't it, But it's one of the biggest events of

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Speaker 3: There we go, Yeah, and I've not seen the metallic

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of a repeat yet, so I've been like, ah, I probably

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really should get to this, and yeah, like I say, again,

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it's just funny how like we've already had this sort

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of talk going around for like a year and then

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Speaker 3: I don't know that's because you know, the support bands

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they're bringing across, like Metallica, Gadjear are not loose. That

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is a kind of like you look at that and

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go fuck me, that's a that's a night out right there.

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like again, it's on the seventy two Seasons album albums,

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which is not, you know, a particularly exacting album, but

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because there's no repeat set, it's just meant the cycle

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for this album has felt kind of like MEGA for Metallica.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott, you are the one of us who has

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seen them doing this sort of thing because you went

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to the download they did. But it was great, wasn't it.

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most praise, and I just didn't understand it. It was

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the best time. Everyone in there I could see was

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having an amazing time. And looking at that set again

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and like the people who they've got supporting, I'm tempted

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in particular, I remember not that long ago Meta all

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going out with Avenged and Goodjura and now Goadjira steps

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up into the Venge slot and then not lose to

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kind of wild, but great.

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this is going on sale. I've got Fortress and then

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now's the time I'm supposed to see the big Metallica event.

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two of our kind of favorite festivals here in the UK,

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both announcing final headliners. First up, Damnation announced their headliners.

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twentieth anniversary Damnation where they have decided to do it

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as a two day event rather than a just a

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single day with the kind of pre night before that

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proper days of Damnation for a and if it's this

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year only, if it will go ahead, I guess it

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depends on how successful this is. But that does mean

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and I know that the Damnation organizers have been quite

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open about the particular pain of booking headliners this year.

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band that we could think of at the top of

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our head was either you know, probably unbelievably expensive or

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already accounted for elsewhere, like the amount of bands who

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bloodstock or something I didn't envy. Damnation trying to book

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their headliners this year, and that's on a year where

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they have twice as many of them to book. So

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out of the bag. Here. The two headliners they've got

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are Corrosion of Conformity and Napalm Death, the Damnation you

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the aim to have one headliner more kind of like

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a store water long part of Damnation and UK extreme

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metal history, So that's obviously Napalm Death, and then in

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some people might have been dreaming, oh, get acid Bath

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or whatever it might be you can insert you know

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the the slight termoil that seems to have happened in

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terms of like trying to pull one out of the bag.

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fucking nap I'm definitely they must have headlines.

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Speaker 1: They have, yeah, a few times.

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riff some beers to sort of end the day, just

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like the best vibes. It feels like that's going to

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just be a good like as close to sort of

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good times. Dam Nation headliner I whan you can get,

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is they have such a widespread of who they could

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book where it just makes sense. And there was a

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lot of teasing kind of leading up to this, like

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months and months ago and headliners coming soon, and then

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in that last post that Gavin, I think maybe one

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of the Damnation forums of saying it's not this person,

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it's not this person, and all the bands starting we

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see and I was looking at it just going I

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can't think of who else which is in that world

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which will make any sense unless I've had a real struggle.

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going to try and spin it as a headliner. And

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then Corrosion of Conformancy. The first reaction is like huh,

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and then another second pass is just go that makes

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total sense. Like for all the sludge and hardcore and

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stone of stuff the Damnation book, it fits perfectly and

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paired with Napalm Death, you know, such different headliners scratching

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such different itches, and I've never seen Corrosion and Conformancy.

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for a long time. So I think if it has

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been trouble for them getting headliners, you wouldn't know it

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from looking at the bill.

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on Arm and Raho against such just Nation staples always

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fantastic live Castle Rat which I'm quite excited to see.

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Ted Male, which is a reunion of a band from

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kind of the mid to late noughties. And this is

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a band who even though they you know, they have

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of those sort of London extreme bands who are some

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one of those who maybe did not pick up any

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fans after the point when they stopped existing. So this

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there in two thousand and seven just went, oh, ted

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the name being a brass eye reference and everything, it's

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all just so particular to a certain time. But you know, cool,

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seems fun. But back to the headliners, Yeah, Napalm Death.

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they're around so often, like it's not again, it's not

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that oh my god, I could I never thought I

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would see this again or whatever it would be Napalm Death.

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whether this means that they'll not do one of those

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is worth noting that this will be essentially Napum headlining

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a like what was it like a sort of small

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of banded around that it's like nape I'm the like

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largest UK headline show or something along those lines. It

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wouldn't surprise me if that was true. That will be

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quite by me. Uh And I said, they're just such

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who I haven't played mndation before and I'd similar to you, Elliot.

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and then I went ah, yeah, and like I I

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have seen Coroagion Conformity. But I realized I haven't seen

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them since twenty sixteen, so that's like almost a decade

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that they haven't really been at least on in you know,

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scene or anything, and I saw them. I've seen them

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a couple of times, but the one that I really

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Desert Fest in twenty sixteen. And if I just can

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into this Damnation thing, because what it is is, at

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the end of the day, the best vibes, right, particularly

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something like Damnation. Maybe not every headliner is good vibes, right,

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festival fair, whereas Corogia Conformity is one of the only

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bands maybe that Danation could book in that who are that?

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but like seeing a load of extreme, heavy, nasty stuff

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or whatever, and at the end of the day, you're

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the fire, clean my wounds and all of that, just

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like proper just riff sing along. It's gonna be such fun.

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what I was imagining, But as you're saying, the more

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headliners out, and I think there's still a fair number

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of bands to go, even though the poster is looking

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pretty damned full already. And then not to be outdone.

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their lineup as well. They had one final headliner to announce,

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which I again I also understand, was kind of a

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bit hard going back and forth asking different bands they're available, whatever,

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God Speed You Black Emperor basically like arguably the best

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post rock band of all time. You know, you can

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have your debates about that, but they're certainly one of

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the key competitors for that, and so for a festival

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like Art Tangent that specialized in that kind of stuff

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that's basically a dream, isn't it. And so your headliners

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for Art Tangent if you're going this year, there's War Drona,

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God's Bed You, Black Emperor, Carnival, and Tessa Rat. So yeah,

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fair play both Art Tangent and dam Nation doing some

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cool stuff over there. Let's talk about a couple of

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new singles before we really get into all the new

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albums and everything. And the first one we're going to

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talk about is the lead single for the new album

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from Lorna Shore, which is called I Feel the Ever

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Blackfestering Within Me, which is a very metal title but

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also still just not as cool as the Black Dahlia

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Murder just doing ever black, isn't it. It's funny how

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that works. But the new Lawna Shore album is going

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to be out September the twelfth, and they've released a

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single from it called Oblivion and Lorna Shure. I mean,

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it's an eight minute single. And the thing with this

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is I go that's the trend now, isn't it? Like

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it stopped being like, oh oh my god, eight minute single?

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That's just what like you know, low sleep token, It's

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what everyone does now.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to figure this out as to what, like,

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is it a generation who seemed to like not have

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the attention span to go back and listen to Jane

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Doe or like go back to the old albums, but

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put an eight minute song in front of them and

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they're like, oh my god, I'm like what what?

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Speaker 2: What is this specific?

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Speaker 3: And I've kind of taken it as as long as

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the song is constantly changing things up so they don't

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like switch off and there's always something new.

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Speaker 2: To sort of catch her attention. They're so downward a

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song about how long it is it is.

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Speaker 3: It's been a really sort of intial for me to pivot,

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and I was kind of like, do we need an

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eight minute Lorna Shore song.

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Speaker 2: As a lead single?

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Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, we'll see it is. And I like,

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I think this is, you know, pretty good as a

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sort of eight minute Lorna Shore lead single goes. I

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think like it sounds like Lorna Shaw. You know, it's grand,

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it's heavy. Will Ramas's vocals are particularly disgusting. Don't you

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hear a load of evolution from the last album. I

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think like, I don't know if I'm the simples if

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they could start going big on it, but I do

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think like as a lead single, if you're into Lorna Shore,

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I don't see why you wouldn't lap up all eight

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minutes of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's pretty epic. I think they you know,

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they're they're obviously pretty massive now, like their headline towards

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a mega at this stage, and they bizarrely seemed to

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be almost tapped into I hear this, and I thought

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a decade ago, when people were saying about Falloojiah that

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like skyscraping, you know, cinematic technical death metal or whatever,

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this is sort of I guess the promise of that.

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And I thought this was good. I thought it's obviously

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it's very maximalist in terms of in the production, it's

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all very loud and overblown and all on ten as

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you would kind of expect, and maybe not a lot

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of room for peaks and troughs and dynamics as I

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would maybe prefer an eight minute song to have. But

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I thought the orchestration line throughout it kept it pretty tethered,

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and it sounded to me like maybe one of their

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less flamboyant songs, like the pain, remain stuff and more

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kind of moodia, which I enjoyed about it. They don't

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really do like hooks so much, do they. They do

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like here's a big, grand epic orchestration thing and then

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here's Will doing his disgusting animal noises rather than like, again,

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the real I don't know that, the burst out moments,

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but they're you know, those things are present and correct

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and they're not. I hear this and I go, well,

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they're not aiming to dumbed down or simplify anything at

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this stage. Like you know, if If them When Slaughtered

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to Prevail are like the biggest death core bands in

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kind of popular mainstream metal right now, I know which

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one of those has more brain cells? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thinking like maybe something I've been done, so I

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do like this living This is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I was not blown away by it.

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Speaker 3: But I do think there's you know, a whole lot

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to pay about, Like these bands are massive, are they

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benefiting the scene? Are they good things that should have

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been selling?

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Speaker 2: Like laws Sean can go like, well yeah, because there

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they are extreme.

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Speaker 3: They they're not you know, dumbing things down there, not

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compromising what they sort of see as this kind of

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like grand orchestral epic black metal tinge deaf called They're

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They're They're they're putting that front and the center, and

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they're getting massive for the backet, which I think that's like, yeah,

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they're bands you can celebrate for what they're achieving in

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terms of just like being extreme and getting massive off it,

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and then you know, taking the Black Dahlia Murder out

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supporting them, which I think is like fucking cool that

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a bunch of people who like more on the show

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and else are going to get see the Black Dahlia Murder.

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Speaker 2: That's that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I maybe have some personal knit picks

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about them, but I think largely I agree they are

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sort of net positive for you know, the state of

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metal right now, and this is a good song. Then

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we also have, rather than a preview of an upcoming album,

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we have a full stop here because Ithaca, who feels

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like for quite a while now they've been kind of

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unfolding their you know, their farewell which you know fair enough,

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you know, lap it up, you're going before your time,

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might as well enjoy the farewell run. But Ithaca this

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week put out what they are saying is their final

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new song. It is a self titled song. It's just

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called Ithaca. And so obviously this being the last piece

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of new music we are going to get from a

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band who we have champions and are very fond of,

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it's onny right to give it its moment. I put

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on the new song Ithaca by Ithaca, and the lead

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guitar in it, what's it sounds like Chemists or something

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or like fucking obsequii. It's like heavy metal, And I

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was like, oh, now I want heavy metal Ithaca. I

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want like epic leaning heavy metal Ithaca. And I know

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I won't get it because this is the last thing

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and it's left me go And no, that's.

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Speaker 2: Like a taste of what could have been.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like for me, like I could remember like

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you ever die here or live long become a villain

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of metal or band these days.

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Speaker 2: So in a way, I'm almost like, you know, what.

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Speaker 3: Ifaca bow out now with this fucking majestic song, like

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those lead guitar lines, thats just so emotive, but like

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pure heavy metal are amazing. That closing passage, whether you know,

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don't cry because it's over.

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Speaker 2: Or that's it, like like they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, you are getting me in

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on this, but I think like if this is the

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full stop you're ending, you're like, band on what a

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what a song to bow out on is a kind

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of like this is what we could have done, you know,

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and it real tease from them, but it is fucking

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brilliant and they are going to be such a huge loss.

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But I hope all the members of Effica, whatever they

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go on to do, just have the best time with it,

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because like I want that lot to sort of just

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do well with whatever they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again that proper like epic guitar hero lead, but

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then into the panic chords, right, it's got that bit

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of you know, sort of old.

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Speaker 2: School we've still got all of that in their life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of bit of you know, impulse crush

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what we initially kind of fell in love with that

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band for. But then before you know it, it's into

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that sort of jazzy sun kissed flavor and like the soulful,

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clean singing and stuff. It's got a bit of everything,

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and then as you're mentioned, the kind of the last

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minute explosion of everything with the counter melodies like and

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it it really meeters itself out as a song like

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it's not like a straight banger like they Fear Us

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or again like one of the older ones or something,

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but it feels like maybe the widest, most evolved form

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of Ithaca that we'd yet had. And that's both beautiful

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for a last song, as we're saying, but also like

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ah man, so yeah, a final track from Ithaca. I

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think I've start and saying that they're doing their final

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live performance at ar Tangent, so maybe they'll play that

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and it sounds very good. But yeah, rip Ithaca for

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a musical last out in their great fucking song else Where,

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let's quickly breathe through. What have we got? Josh Freese,

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the drummer who had been brought into phil obviously void

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left by tailor of Hawkins in the Food Fighters, He

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announced that he'd been let go this week for currently

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kind of undisclosed reasons. But I guess that the Food

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Fighters are probably gonna maybe flip between drummers for a

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little bit, which maybe to a degrees. Again, I don't

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know what's happened here, but you know, considering the loss

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of Taylor, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they

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00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:21,759
threw around a few candidates. But you know, if you've

472
00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:24,240
seen Josh Frees drumming for the food fighters, he is

473
00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:27,079
no longer drumming for the food fighters. Then this is

474
00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:31,279
this is just it's both funny and sad. But Black

475
00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:37,599
Flag this week have announced that they are back once again.

476
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,319
Black Flag, which for a long long time have basically

477
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,799
been you know, Greg Gin and some guys. And you know,

478
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,680
the last time they came with anything significant was or

479
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,440
you know, i'd say significant anything noteworthy was the twenty

480
00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:02,359
thirteen album called What the Dot Dot Dot, which is

481
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,519
very I don't know if I've ever listened that album

482
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:06,680
in full, but I know it's very reviled.

483
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 3: I can still pitch that album cover. I'll never forget that.

484
00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. That kind of says it all, doesn't it. But

485
00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:19,200
there back again Greg with another new reframped lineup like Flag,

486
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,720
and the band picture they've put out for it is

487
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,559
so crazy. I love the fact that they've got Greg

488
00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:29,240
on the end, so you could almost crop him out

489
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,839
right because if you look, if you just focused on, go, oh,

490
00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:35,559
here's a hot new young three piece of the three

491
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,440
people who are standing to the left of Greg in

492
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,000
this photo, all right, that could be any new band

493
00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,000
who comes through in kerrang or you know what rock

494
00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:47,200
sound or whatever it would be of just kind of oh,

495
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,200
you know, kind of some kind of gen Z upcoming

496
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:52,519
rock thing. What will this be? Some alternative thing? And

497
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,839
then you pan slightly to the right and then there's Granddad.

498
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,240
It's like, what why if you brought you're like your

499
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,400
fucking nephews out? Like what is this.

500
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,319
Speaker 3: Was like Greg Jinn's school of rock, like which I

501
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,559
mean I'm either always like what are the odds that

502
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,920
collectively the other three members aren't as old as Greg

503
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,880
jin Like? The image is so surreal to look at,

504
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,640
and I think everyone's just like had a real chuckle

505
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,319
with it as to like, just like this insane image

506
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,839
of like the black myhand father them in a warehouse

507
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:28,519
and these like three people who look about twenty and then.

508
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: But they're so perfectly style, like the hair and everything.

509
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,400
It's like they look like a trendy young gen Z.

510
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,799
And then there's just Greg just very awkward smiling.

511
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 4: I think as chat Pile said something like these kids

512
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,359
are probably six when what they came out. They're not

513
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,440
even vaguely close to anything that Black FuG I've ever

514
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,000
done this relevant I was having a discussion with some

515
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,119
friends with the like who are the most famous bund

516
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,839
why you wouldn't feel remotely nervous about joining? And I

517
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:01,880
think Black Flag's the answer, Like if you if you've

518
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,920
got an email, so do you want to be in

519
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,440
Black Flag?

520
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: Right? That just seems it's like it seems like anyone

521
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,720
can have a chance. It's a proper like the school holiday,

522
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359
like or like going to the summer camp to play

523
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,319
in Black Flag affair.

524
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: They're playing London in like July, and I'm kind of

525
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,640
tempting to go, just as I see what the hell

526
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,960
it's like Baby's first Black Flag is like. But this

527
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:24,920
is the.

528
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: Fact it's Black Flag is the most mental part because

529
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,880
there are other bands from around that time where it

530
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,000
wouldn't seem that weird to have a bunch of fresh

531
00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:35,039
faced gen z kids joined the band like this is

532
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,640
this is black Flag. It's like one of the most

533
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,480
bleak depressive punk bands ever. And he's I know who

534
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,319
I need some thirteen year olds that will bring about

535
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,839
the gravitas I the Black Flag requires.

536
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely mental, But I feel like I just have

537
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,920
to say this is like I don't know, there are

538
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,680
some people out there who don't keep up to date

539
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,119
on these things, and they would get a band's in

540
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,240
town notification that Black Flag are playing, and they'll go,

541
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,160
oh my god, I love Henry Rollins. And then they

542
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,160
go and be like, I don't know, like fucking Nova

543
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,359
Twins or something with great chin in the corner. Absolutely

544
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,799
out of this world. There you go. Black Flag of

545
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,359
sorts are around. Basements are also around. They've announced a

546
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,599
UK and European tour with a lineup consisting of Anxious,

547
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,240
Dynamite and Midriff Sam. Is that a good lineup?

548
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: That's a really good lie Basement and Anxious is like

549
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,039
a real sort of great pairing.

550
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:32,799
Speaker 2: Anxious one like that.

551
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: They're unfamiliar the year we didn't review it, but like,

552
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,160
if you like Emo right now.

553
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the band of those three that I know.

554
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dynamite really good hardcore they put out on an

555
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:44,559
EP a couple of weeks ago, if you like kind

556
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,440
of just the modern hardcore thing they're doing. That Midriff

557
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:50,359
I'm not too familiar with, but yeah, it is like that.

558
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,599
I was like, Oh, that's wicked, and then realize it's

559
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,599
the same time as a hard festival time and on going,

560
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,359
So I was like, you have to give that a miss,

561
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,839
but yeah, Basement anxious as a pairing in particular really cool.

562
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's happening in September. And then finally, if

563
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,839
you want in reunions and you want in returns, Sam,

564
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,759
I have to go to you again and ask. Right,

565
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240
So this is a band that I knew, right, not

566
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,839
a band that I'm you know, I don't think this band.

567
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:20,519
I knew the name, right, I did not understand the

568
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,200
wording of what they put out here where they're like,

569
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,000
what do you mean your debut album? Who are Francesca? Like?

570
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: Right?

571
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,519
Speaker 3: So when I every now and then, like I belly

572
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:30,160
your face from now, but I have like I'll open

573
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,119
it on occasion, maybe some checking the messenger for what

574
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,400
you guys said, And oh was you know pages that

575
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440
I followed from fifteen years ago when I was getting

576
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,839
into all the Twin Times britrock stuff. And when I

577
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,799
saw a Francisco post saying like we're back and we're

578
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,240
releasing our debut album, I.

579
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,079
Speaker 2: Was like, what the wait?

580
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: What?

581
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: Because Francesca were like young guns, like reserves, almost like

582
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,000
they were like.

583
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,839
Speaker 1: If you fought young guns, youngest guns.

584
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: Like had if you wanted them with less charisma, like

585
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:05,559
Francesca were there for you. I mean they had one

586
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:09,240
song I didn't realize what we and they released like

587
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,400
a couple of EPs and like the late naughties, only

588
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,799
twenty tens, which I didn't mind.

589
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: But again, like there's a reason why no one.

590
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,039
Speaker 3: Outside of like probably ten people remembers Francesca. I'm sure

591
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,039
they'll probably a half people are like ecstatic about this

592
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:25,559
for Union because theyre always are.

593
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: But when I saw it.

594
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: I showed this news to my girlfriend and she just

595
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,119
walked into the other rimed later.

596
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: But when I, like I said, when I saw that,

597
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,000
like again, this band too, and this is not the

598
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,000
they've They've tried coming back I think, like in the

599
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:41,799
sort of mid twenty tens at one point, and that

600
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,559
didn't go anywhere, and they're like now again twenty twenty five,

601
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:49,680
like some sixteen years after their first EP. I think

602
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,200
it might best nine their first EP. I can't remember exactly.

603
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,240
They're coming back with their debut album. I was like,

604
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,359
this is fucking insane.

605
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: Who who is this for?

606
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,079
Speaker 3: Like I'm so morblicious that I am going to have

607
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,720
to listen to the debut Francesca around when it when

608
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,160
it does eventually come out, but it was just such

609
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,559
a like wait what Like when I when I saw

610
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,119
this post was like that is and I had to

611
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,079
show it with Mark because I thought Mark is the

612
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,200
only person I know who would find this hilarious. And

613
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,240
I'm glad Mark did get a chuckle out of it.

614
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: It's the longest promise for Davis. It's like seventeen years.

615
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,920
I think we don't need that debut at that stage. Like,

616
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,319
I don't think the members of Black Flag were around

617
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:29,640
when you were.

618
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:39,559
Speaker 5: You could probably probably leave it were black Flag alive,

619
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,400
but maybe maybe a review. I don't know, Francesca are

620
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,640
back right, let's I can quickly just say over on

621
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,000
the Patreon for That's Not That Old, which is where

622
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,559
everybody who is nice enough to want to keep us

623
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,519
alive basically goes contributes.

624
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,759
Speaker 1: Thank you ote very much everybody. The last thing we

625
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,079
have got over there is we did a Tea and

626
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,839
does Horror very you know, not very long ago, where

627
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,359
we spoke about the incredible new Ryan Coogler vampire Western

628
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,119
movie Sinners. We also spoke about the quite ridiculous Until

629
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,519
Dawn video game adaptation that was very fun. Looking forward

630
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:24,000
to the immediate future, our schedules are really quite mad

631
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,319
at the moment in terms of trying to get us

632
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,920
all in the same place, but we do very much

633
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,319
have a Poison the World special to finish, so asap,

634
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,400
looking over the immediate kind of future, we are gonna

635
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,880
knuckle down and get the second part of our ongoing

636
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,000
band special about Poison the Well underway, which will be

637
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,200
the part when we look into I guess we're starting

638
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,839
with their last major classic in You Come Before You.

639
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,880
We still have that yet to talk about, but then

640
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,720
we have their latter two largely undiscussed albums to talk about,

641
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:58,240
as well as their general legacy and kind of place

642
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,880
in history. But that is very much on the immediate

643
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,720
horizon of stuff that we have got to get underway

644
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,599
over on the Patreon, So if you want to hear that,

645
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,839
you know, part one is available to you right now

646
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,160
where we spoke all about the opposite of December and

647
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,000
tear for the Red. But patron dot com slash that

648
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,440
not mel is the place where you can find that,

649
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480
as long as everything else that we have done over there,

650
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,720
which is piles and piles and piles of podcasts at

651
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,279
this point, speaking of piles of podcasts, let's add another

652
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,400
one here because we have to get into our album reviews.

653
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,319
This comes a little bit later than a would of

654
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,839
light the nature of the monthly window that we're covering.

655
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,920
One of the albums we're doing is out today, But

656
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:40,160
even if you just sit on something like for three

657
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920
weeks or something, this has felt like a seismic few

658
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,400
weeks where at the very least the two probable biggest

659
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,799
albums of the year, you know, from our world, have

660
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,960
both come out right after each other. And again we're

661
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,240
not even reviewing all of those, but Ghost and Sleep

662
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,400
Token they both got Billboard number one albums. This has

663
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960
to be one of the biggest selling kind of new

664
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,440
released months for rock and metal in recent history, right,

665
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,839
So that's noteworthy. And that's before we then get onto

666
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,200
some of these other names, which are most slatches in themselves,

667
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,680
and some of these albums, again, albums by big names,

668
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,799
it feels like they've barely been spoken about or even

669
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,440
registered because everyone's stuck on talking about you know, the

670
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
same ones and then fucking president or whatever. So maybe

671
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,039
as well we can kind of refresh ourselves on some

672
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,480
of these couple couple week old albums and jimmy up

673
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,799
some conversation. We are going to start with Ghost and Skeletor,

674
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:30,839
released a little under a month ago. As said, a

675
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,240
whole swathe of releases have come since that have maybe

676
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,720
moved the conversation on a little bit. But with this

677
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:37,759
one we can kind of, you know, say how it

678
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,119
is sitting with us. After that time of listening, we

679
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,480
observed the day one reactions from people on the internet.

680
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,240
Some people absolutely loving it, some people more disappointed. I've

681
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,559
noticed that Ghost albums, while the band themselves have always

682
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,319
been divisive amongst people who get it and then people

683
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,119
who don't. Amongst their established fan base, I feel like

684
00:31:58,119 --> 00:31:59,960
the albums have seemed to become a little more are

685
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,799
in opinion as they've gone on. I know several people

686
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,759
who flat out just don't like Impirah and thought that

687
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,839
that was, you know, their stinker where they dropped the ball.

688
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,440
And I don't know how many of those people are

689
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,680
maybe just conflating twenties with the rest of the album.

690
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,000
But I think a kind of one size fits all

691
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,359
response to a Ghost album doesn't exist that strongly anymore.

692
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,039
What we can say for sure with skeletor is It's

693
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,200
sold very well, as we reported a couple of weeks ago,

694
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,319
sales records through the roof until sleep Token came along

695
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,160
and broke them again. And what it feels like to

696
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,599
me with Ghost is this is the first time where

697
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160
it feels to me maybe like Ghost are kind of

698
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,240
already there now, like we're past the first decade of

699
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,799
Ghost career where we were all thinking, oh, they're going

700
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,079
to do it? When are they going to do it?

701
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:43,720
And each new album is almost viewed as like a

702
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,319
step toward that kind of point. They've arguably done it now,

703
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:50,640
like concert film in global cinemas last year feels like

704
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,079
the only thing that's evade them the star is headlining

705
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,440
Download and that just feels like they'll do it. They

706
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,759
just haven't got around to it yet. Twenty twenty six. Surely,

707
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,000
I don't want to say they're at the two big

708
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,680
to fail stage, but after the you know, the double

709
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,119
smashes of Prequel and then in Perr, this is maybe

710
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,960
the first time a Ghost album doesn't feel like it

711
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,519
needs to be a breakthrough, but just continue on.

712
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,559
Speaker 3: I felt that because Arter you've had the movie and everything,

713
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,680
and Impero felt like the one where that this had

714
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,000
to be huge because this was the one where they

715
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,839
were going bigger than ever.

716
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,799
Speaker 2: It was glitzier, it was more glamorous.

717
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: You know, you had Hunter's Moon on the Halloween soundtrack,

718
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,400
all of these sort of things. So it was like

719
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,640
Ghost going Blockbuster on Impair. I think this was like

720
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,519
that was almost like a make or break moment where

721
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,480
they had to smash with that because it was.

722
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 2: Their big blockbuster release and it succeeded.

723
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:39,799
Speaker 3: So now they can just kind of go, Okay, now

724
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,440
we can just be Ghost on a massive scale, and

725
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,720
so I think almost like kind of takes the pressure

726
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,440
off them with Skeletons kind of like do what they

727
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,519
feel was more natural rather than kind of like pushing

728
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,720
to sort of have that breakthrough success.

729
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,799
Speaker 2: Because they found it now they can.

730
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,079
Speaker 3: Now like not coast but like ride the wave that

731
00:33:58,119 --> 00:33:59,880
they've now built for themselves.

732
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,279
Speaker 4: I think with bands in a sort of commercial and

733
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,279
popularity ascent in the way that Ghost have been for

734
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,840
the past fifteen years, there's always that thing with each

735
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,440
new record where it kind of not that you think

736
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,199
they might drop the ball, but like at any moment,

737
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,840
theoretically they could, and if they released a record that

738
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:19,440
people didn't like, it would kind of creen off the

739
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,800
tracks again with five arms under their belt, and these

740
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960
five records in the may run across phenomenon and all

741
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
the other stuff that's happened. Not saying that Ghosts can

742
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,159
get away with releasing bad alms from here on it,

743
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,280
but it's like there isn't that same weight of expectation now.

744
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,239
It's just how far does the glory run carry on?

745
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,159
Because I think everything they've done today, every studio record

746
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,159
at least, has been fantastic. So to me it is

747
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,760
like they didn't need to make another amazing record for

748
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,039
me to love them even more to or even for

749
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:50,920
anything else to be afforded to them. It's just a

750
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,760
matter of how long can this run go? Is the

751
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,880
sort of new question you're asking, which is a great

752
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,960
thing for a new band.

753
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is the lowest stakes I've ever felt

754
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,440
reviewing the Ghost album. It's strange that way. They're massive,

755
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,760
They're still going to be massive. It's just down to

756
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,639
how much do I like this one? And I think

757
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,239
maybe the response I've observed this one has been a

758
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,880
little more muted compared to the last couple times around,

759
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,000
but only comparatively, and I think Ghost just make the

760
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,400
most listenable albums in the world to me, Like Impero

761
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,239
was my album of the Year for twenty twenty two,

762
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,760
and it's also like my fourth favorite Ghost album. They

763
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,639
just make like pop metal candy floss for me. And

764
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:35,480
when so many of the biggest, most kind of current

765
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,599
representatives of the mainstream heavy bands feel very divorced from

766
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,639
kind of heavy metal culture and history to a degree,

767
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,480
I'm increasingly thankful for Ghost being the one kind of

768
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,440
holding that element, you know, down on the kind of

769
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,480
biggest stage. And even as they have kind of transitioned

770
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,840
away from some of the vibes of what I initially

771
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,239
loved about them very early on, I think with this

772
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,639
being the follow up to IMPAIRR, they're sparklier than ever right,

773
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,480
Like this does feel like quite a different band now

774
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,239
from that kind of Opus Eponymous through meliora sort of

775
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,599
first era, but that there is no one operating on

776
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:11,920
their level when it comes to these like pop heavy

777
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960
metal tunes. I think we need that, and that's my

778
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,159
I don't want to say bias, because I don't think

779
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,119
it's not like I'm just kind of blindly consuming everything,

780
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,519
but that's my you know, predilection towards Ghost Like, I

781
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,880
love this band so much. I am a sucker for

782
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,639
their way of writing songs. I've also I've never been

783
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,039
cold on anything they've done. The closest is, Oh, this

784
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,119
one isn't quite what I loved about the last one,

785
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,280
but that's okay. I love this too. I think this

786
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,719
record is so much fun. I think this record is

787
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,519
like maybe a bit of a baby brother of Empia,

788
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,639
Like it's not a breakthrough. Maybe in some ways it's

789
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,440
a step back, but after you know, nearly a month

790
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,079
of letting the songs into my head, I feel essentially

791
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,559
the same way. Right. This is that pop metal candy

792
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:49,840
floss for me that I love.

793
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:51,599
Speaker 2: I completely agree.

794
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's funny that Ghosts are the glitsiest,

795
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,559
poppyist kind of like most like vaudeville camp theater, sort

796
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:00,199
of bad we've got, But they're also of the As

797
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,400
for Massive now Pod, who are most in line with

798
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,159
actual say that lineage, that history of heavy metal again again,

799
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,920
you know the debate with the other band of mens

800
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,000
he Broke Records, What do they have that like through

801
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:13,840
line to what we look to in metal?

802
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,559
Speaker 2: Current said that about them ghost.

803
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: You can pick songs even on this you know this album,

804
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,280
which is again such a glitzy like bubblegum candy floss.

805
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: Wherever you want to lay the album, you can go.

806
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: We have that still Black Sabbath, you can you can

807
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,960
find that lineage right there.

808
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: And for me, like I.

809
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,599
Speaker 3: Kind of didn't undersand where this album was turning device

810
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,119
for I was like, this just feels like the most

811
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,400
ghost that ghost can ghost.

812
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: Like it touches on every kind of.

813
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,119
Speaker 3: Like bit of ghost for me, where like there are

814
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,000
songs that are just you know, pure pomp, and there

815
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,480
are songs that have got the little bit of the

816
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,280
kind of the scooby Doo thing going on, and they're like, oh,

817
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,199
there's a bit of like actual ominous kind of like

818
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,039
heavy metals while creeping in there, and it's all just

819
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:58,440
it's all there for me, and I'm like, I'll just

820
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,039
I'll just fast on all of it. But I'm so

821
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,079
here for ghosts doing it and doing it like we're

822
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,440
again with such an infectious here for melody.

823
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 4: Well that thing you were saying earlier, it kind of

824
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,000
happens to all the massive bands at some point where

825
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,199
you can't please Everyone and the Thing we Ghosted. Over

826
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,920
the past five records, they've done so much in terms

827
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,360
variety of their sound, like the Peer of being this

828
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,480
kind of glam metal record, prequel being partly like a

829
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,800
soft rock record, but also one of the most maybe

830
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,679
the most eighties kind of pop rock record to date.

831
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,079
Each of their records are really defined personality. For me,

832
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,519
the personality of this one is almost like they've boiled

833
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,079
off some of the I want to say fluff, but

834
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,920
the things on other records, where there's normally instrumentals and

835
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,760
interludes and really wacky instrumentation, This time it feels like

836
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,639
a less detailed record, more focused on the sort of

837
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,760
standard rock set up where you get ten fully fledged songs.

838
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,440
And you know, people have complained about the last couple

839
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,360
Ghosts record saying like, oh, there's these fillery bits to

840
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,760
even need them, And then they deliver this record, which

841
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,320
is super succinct and to the point will also being

842
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,159
their longest record, and people kind of I've seen people

843
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,880
complaining about that as well. For me, it's same question

844
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,639
comes down to with every Ghost record today, it's are

845
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,960
the songs good? And the quality of songwriting for me

846
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,440
is yet to dip and spoiler alert today this might

847
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,639
be my least favorite of the six. I still think

848
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,119
this album is excellent. I've still been listening to it

849
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,400
all the time, and there are songs on here that

850
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,920
I don't want to ever leave the live set like,

851
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,440
and that this on the record that might be for

852
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,320
me the weakest of the bunch.

853
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, my favorite albums of the first leg of

854
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,840
twenty twenty five have been things like Wake or Imperial

855
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,320
Triumphant or piss Grave or something, and it's nice to

856
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,519
have one that's like and here I can just sing

857
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,480
along to every track, you know, because it is this

858
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,559
album is probably the most lightweight ghost have ever sounded.

859
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,239
It's it's bawdy, it's quite silly. Where there is this.

860
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,079
I think there's some kind of a misplaced idea that

861
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,599
Ghosts were always like a comedy band or something, which

862
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,440
is not true. But the punniness or whatever that's made

863
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,679
its way into the recent albums is, you know, kind

864
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,400
of there. But it does make me grin. Prequel and

865
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,679
Impera are such shoot for the stars albums. This one,

866
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,039
I guess you say, is more comfortable. So if you

867
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,760
need Ghosts to feel newly dramatic each time. I do

868
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,199
understand maybe feeling this one's a bit more, a bit

869
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,400
more shallow, a bit boring, but you know more than

870
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,320
I would doun that with Imperio, which is kind of gonzo.

871
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,039
But I can't pretend that this isn't one of my

872
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,519
favorite sets of songs to come out this year, the

873
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,920
one two of lead singles from this, if we're going

874
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,559
the inarguable first off Lachrama into Satanized, as it is

875
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,119
on the album, you know, reverse in the order they

876
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,880
released them, total fucking smashes, Like two of the songs

877
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,000
of the year. Satanized is every Ghost album, there'll be

878
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,800
a couple songs where you go that is genius. Only

879
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,559
Ghost would write this how rhythmically strange and offbeat that

880
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,400
is from that sort of like Tears for Fearsy, but

881
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,760
with a heavy metal gallop of the verses into a

882
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
chorus that, like I said when I first heard it,

883
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,679
it sort of breaks itself up where it interjects what

884
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
you think the natural flow of the chorus is gonna

885
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,000
be with the blaster he did, but when you are

886
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:16,159
in it, it feels so like newly exultant every time.

887
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:18,119
It then rejoins the rest of the chorus. It's just

888
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:24,800
completely outstanding, clever, engaging, melodic hook writing on another level

889
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,599
to anyone out there.

890
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like as far as singles go, it's

891
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,400
basically a perfect ghosting with that melodic refrain that the

892
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,880
thing that opens the song and ends up being in

893
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,639
the verse that like that could be on a Paradise

894
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,039
Lost song. And yeah, like you said, with that Tears

895
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:47,360
for Fears drumby and that shimmering pop sparkle chorus coming in,

896
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,440
it manages to marry those two worlds brilliantly. And yet

897
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,519
and the song still kind of harks back to classic

898
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,760
ghosts with that sort of pitch shifted priest bit that

899
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,159
opens the second verse like this, and then why Old

900
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,960
hair Brains, and the way the song ends, like the

901
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000
final forty seconds of it, where the bridge is suddenly

902
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,360
playing a sort of my Cold Field on the Dawn

903
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,119
folk style before kicking back into that massive hair Brain

904
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:17,880
chorus again. It it's just exquisite, And like you say that,

905
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,280
there's no one else writing songs like that, and as

906
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,599
much as ghost in many ways of retro band, I

907
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:28,079
don't think there's anyone maybe ever, who's writing songs quite

908
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,000
like that. Let's not say there aren't palm that or

909
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,159
songs that have been you know, says and infused and

910
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,920
devilish and delightful and all of those things, but that

911
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,719
specific kind of song does feel new, despite almost all

912
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,639
of its greeds being from forty years ago.

913
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,639
Speaker 3: Since I first heard it, it was kind of a

914
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,599
weird sort of versicisen, but I've had I'm Sitting Nice

915
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,880
stuck in my head for weeks and weeks and weeks

916
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,239
all of these kind of weird sort of line deliveries.

917
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,920
They are weird, but they're so undeniably catchy and for

918
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,920
pop metal. So what you want is it you want

919
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,719
those choruses to stick in your head. And again, like

920
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,280
there's sort of the bass skip on, the sort of

921
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,760
verse with the drum bait. Every sort of bit of

922
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
this song is just kind of designed to worm its

923
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,880
way into ears and stay there while still being really

924
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,519
kind of odd.

925
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: And I think it's just.

926
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 3: Like that to me, is kind of like a perfect

927
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,639
kind of like ghost single in that regard.

928
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: And then Lachryma, which that to me feels like almost

929
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,360
more like the eighties metal horror movie soundtrack song than

930
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,159
Hunter's Moon did because it's the perfect mix of like,

931
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,679
you know, stranger thingsy nightmare on Elm Street, kind of

932
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,079
child's bedroom at night, like moonlight synth and spooky choirs

933
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,039
and stuff creeping around the edges and a massive fuck

934
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,719
off hook. As great as Satanized is and as excise

935
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,760
I was for the recorm when that came out, Lachryma

936
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,960
was the one where I just suddenly I was just

937
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,480
frothing at the mouth at the prospect of more of it.

938
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 4: This is basically a perfect Ghost song. Anything you can

939
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:57,960
like about Ghost is present and correct on this. It

940
00:43:58,039 --> 00:43:59,920
sounds almost like something that could bridge the gap between

941
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,639
in prequel, where it has the weight and the drama

942
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,800
of that previous of the preceding record and the fun

943
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:12,000
and like stylishness of the latter. Those verses are so

944
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,119
the ultimate sin, which is in that conversation you guys

945
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,199
are having about like lost eighties classics, not on the

946
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,880
same level as some of those others, but that album

947
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,440
is disgracefully overlooked.

948
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: I think that that embark at the Moon the j

949
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,760
Lee stuff are the ones I reference the most. They're

950
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,480
the ones I reference the most in regards to kind

951
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,400
of influence on modern stuff, maybe because it's just hard

952
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,039
to do Randy Rhodes. But like whenever the new eighty

953
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,119
style metal is sick, I go, oh yeah, Jake e

954
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:38,360
Lee Yeah.

955
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:40,559
Speaker 4: And then and then when the guitar solos come in,

956
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,159
they are so Swedish, pure europe worship, and I'm sorry

957
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,519
that chorus is outrageous and that thing we also like,

958
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,000
you know, pop songwriting and metal, how's it done? Like, oh,

959
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,920
this band is working in, this band are working whatever.

960
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,159
That is just a brilliant pop song that happens to

961
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,559
be a metal song. It's not a metal song where

962
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,440
they've crow in some pop chorus to try and sell

963
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,679
it to you. It's an exquisitely written song that even

964
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,519
really down to the lyrics whatever. You're not trick that

965
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,280
it seems to being like, oh, this is a poppy,

966
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,199
merciful fate song.

967
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: It's a pop song. Yeah, and I love I say

968
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,360
with complete affection. I love the slightly shit guitar tone

969
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,480
when the heavy rip comes in, it's like a bit wank.

970
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,960
It's a like a weird tinny tone. I swear we

971
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,880
haven't heard or a big album in decades. I love it.

972
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,079
It's like a bit ugly in Satanized as well. Under

973
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,320
the kind of monk bit, there's like that slightly crap

974
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,039
guitar sound. I think it's brilliant. It just really feeds

975
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,719
into a very particular kind of eighties atmosphere for me.

976
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:44,599
But the songwriting with it in Lacroma is flawless. How

977
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,679
naturally the verses escalating too, the pre chorus and then

978
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:50,760
the chorus and so on, like I can't not go

979
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,079
in the middle of an added feod when it hits

980
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,400
that part the pre chorus, which to me feels a

981
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,800
little bit like it's maybe quoting better by you better

982
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,840
than Me from Judus Prieste with everybody knows, and then

983
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,559
absolutely after that heavier build up, just a timeless like

984
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,519
MTV chorus. I love how ridiculous the backing vocal is

985
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,199
right on the key change when it goes cray like

986
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,679
it's just so you're taking.

987
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: You're taking all of them. One of my favorite things

988
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,679
goes so I'm just gonna get it now. That is

989
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,519
is that two pronged chorus that they do all across

990
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:28,000
their career.

991
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 2: It's what goes the best. And when you get first one,

992
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,599
I heard that.

993
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the kind of chorus I wasn't ready for

994
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,320
that first and cry.

995
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my fucking god, they've done it.

996
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,199
Speaker 3: They've written maybe the greatest ghost chorus ever, just kind

997
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,599
of that pop maximumism. And again when that keyshade with

998
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,199
the added backing vocals and lead guitars hits on the

999
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,320
final chorus, I was like, go start the greatest band

1000
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,400
ever when they can deliver this, I'm like, I won't

1001
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,400
hear a bad word against Ghost when they can make

1002
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,239
me feel this kind of euphoria and like la because

1003
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,079
even on the verses it does have a little bit

1004
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,679
of that seventies doing And again, you're right, the guitar

1005
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,559
time probably is a bit shitty, but it adds that

1006
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:11,840
kind of like that slightly like creaky occult kind of

1007
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,760
feel to it. And I'm like, I love that we

1008
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,320
can have that go into the most blockbuster ghost chorus

1009
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,280
that we can get both of them at the same time,

1010
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,480
and it can remind me of like a verse that

1011
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,719
could be on Emphasism Arm and a chorus that could

1012
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,519
be on Imperia coming together to just deliver what is

1013
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,360
like an absolute ten out of ten perfect ghost song.

1014
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny there has been some interesting, less

1015
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,480
immediate stuff to get to grips with. Though Peacefield is

1016
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,559
the opener, it's not a Kaise Arion right, Like, it's

1017
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,199
not Papa going ah and you know, barrel and full

1018
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,679
throttle into something super hype. I think it kind of

1019
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,239
marks how much of this album will be, you know,

1020
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,239
quite delicate, that kind of AOII sensibility that crept in

1021
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,519
on Impia. This has tons of that. Peace Field in particular.

1022
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,440
You know, a lot of people are pointed out how

1023
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,960
particularly journey ish it is with some of the melod

1024
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,000
I also think it generally has a bit of like

1025
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,760
Manhattan Skyline by a Heart to it as well, but

1026
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,239
that is maybe more emblematic of the whole album for me,

1027
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,000
where it maybe didn't wow me initially or my first listen,

1028
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:13,960
but I had to let it unfurl a bit and

1029
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,599
then it did because Peacefield seems to start kind of slow,

1030
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:20,480
like it is quite funny that it starts sounding a

1031
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,679
bit like Ali Jones walking in the air, but by

1032
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,519
about the second or third chorus, I'm dazzled.

1033
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,599
Speaker 3: I mean, like this one Dream's main bit was like

1034
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:29,599
again the two form chorus that kind of got me

1035
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:31,239
after I was like, this is a bit of a

1036
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,760
slow start.

1037
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: That chorus was just so.

1038
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,599
Speaker 3: Immediately magic to me that I was like, yeah, I'm

1039
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,599
seld In, I'm here for like big you know ao

1040
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,840
R Ghost with that fuddy huge arena drum sound, which

1041
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,039
I'm coming round to this this shit more and more

1042
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,559
and again when Ghost of doing it, I'm like, yeah,

1043
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:52,000
this is this is just like this rocks and I'm.

1044
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,559
Speaker 2: Sort of seld In and it kind of does over.

1045
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,280
It's quite like grand.

1046
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: Sort slow moving thing, but again just fitting in a

1047
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,079
solid gold pop chorus.

1048
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: Would be the exception of maybe Spirits. Every other Ghost

1049
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:07,800
opener proper really feels like we have arrived moment, and Peacefield,

1050
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,280
despite being six minutes long, doesn't really have that like

1051
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,079
it kind of feels like the door opening letting you in.

1052
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,199
And then Lachroma is when the band itself survived, which

1053
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,320
sounds odd because it's not like it's an instrumental or

1054
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,159
an overture. It is a fully fledged song with chorus'

1055
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,800
pre choruses, bridges all the components, and yet to me

1056
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,159
it kind of feels like it still builds and builds

1057
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,159
and builds and doesn't capitalize on it. And the first

1058
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:34,960
couple of times I heard, I wasn't sure if that worked.

1059
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,039
You know, for a band whose songs are so enjoying

1060
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:39,639
by isolation, they also do work so much better in

1061
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:40,760
the context of a record.

1062
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,599
Speaker 1: And this song.

1063
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,039
Speaker 4: Initia I thought that's that's a good opener, but it's

1064
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:46,159
a slightly puzzling choice.

1065
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: Now I just think.

1066
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: It's now when I put it on, I think the

1067
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,000
next forty five minutes is going to fucking rock starting now.

1068
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I feel like when there was that first

1069
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,800
set list from the first night of the tour and Darkness,

1070
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Heart of My Love was the only song from Emperor,

1071
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:04,119
maybe that's a bit of a clue because that's the

1072
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,280
song almost that seems to carry over to this album's

1073
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,920
vibe of the most. I think it is a it's

1074
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,159
the least edge of any Ghost album, Like there's not

1075
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,079
a lot of watchers in the sky or faiths or whatever.

1076
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,239
I guess you'd say. Lachryma is the closest, Like that's

1077
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,440
the riffer, even though the chorus and that one is.

1078
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: Dave Profundis goes pretty like hard when they're sort of

1079
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,880
going to overdrive towards the end.

1080
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 2: That's got like we're a riff into it like that.

1081
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: There's pace. I wouldn't say there's a lot of like

1082
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,960
again huge I mean those those big, weighty you know

1083
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,079
or something style you know, doom riffs or whatever. There's

1084
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,320
the least of that here, But the intricacies of the

1085
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,079
melodic writing and the song structure assembling everything like word

1086
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:44,320
saying it's ghost are like one of the only bands

1087
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,119
in the modern way who can touch your journeys and

1088
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,639
Toto's and at the same time your death Leopard scorpions,

1089
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,960
what have you in that regard, and it is again

1090
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,039
it's a bit more lightweight and shiny maybe, but if

1091
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,280
you appreciate stuff like that, there's so much to marvel

1092
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,920
at here. You've got, you know. Frederik Gakerson from Opeth

1093
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:03,000
in the guitar solo still that's great. Guiding Lights is

1094
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,559
another one that more slowly got his claws in me.

1095
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:09,000
But this side of he is which is pretty untouchable

1096
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,920
of their kind of like modern glam ones. I think

1097
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,159
this might be the best ghost ballad really. Yeah, of

1098
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,039
like again a prequel on this sort of style of

1099
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,559
very lighters in the air style ones they've done. This

1100
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,920
one has really kind of sunk him with me.

1101
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,559
Speaker 2: I was sewing on guiding Lights.

1102
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,199
Speaker 3: From the moment I heard it, I was like, the

1103
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,519
air grabs are going, like the road that leads to

1104
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:35,440
Nowhere is long. I'm so here for big cheesy eighties

1105
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,079
power ballad goes. That chorus is just glorious.

1106
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,119
Speaker 4: This was one of the ones that really took a

1107
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,119
while for me to get scripts with. And those glammy

1108
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,800
power balls you're talking about, I've loved every single one

1109
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,199
of them. Darlasa the Heart, I love life Eternal, see

1110
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:50,880
the Lights if you include that in the same sort

1111
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,599
of thing this. For a while, I was gonna think

1112
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:57,679
this is good, and I'm really enjoying that melody. It

1113
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,119
is kind of hard to resist. But for some reason

1114
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,760
it wasn't quite grabbing me, and something occurred to me,

1115
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,039
and I think it's true of a few songs on

1116
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,480
this record, but it kind of switched the perspective with

1117
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:08,400
which I was viewing it, and then I liked it

1118
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,199
a lot more. And it's that for the first time

1119
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,679
on this record, Tobias doesn't feel like he's playing any

1120
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,400
kind of character for some of it the other records,

1121
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,440
it really does feel like the Pappa is singing something

1122
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,039
like Guiding Lights just sounds like Tobias. There's nothing really

1123
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:25,440
about that song that would lead you to think this

1124
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:27,519
is a ghost song per se, other than obviously it's

1125
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:28,880
so recognizably his voice.

1126
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think in terms of

1127
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:39,519
the character and just the things that Tobias himself is

1128
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:41,239
kind of just maybe putting out there in his feelings,

1129
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,559
they have gotten more and more fused, and I think

1130
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:46,960
maybe there's something I'll touch on more kind of later.

1131
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,440
But in regards to the just the general kind of

1132
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:52,960
vibe and theme of the album, right in Perror kind

1133
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,599
of cast its you know, it's glare so wide and

1134
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,960
was kind of more looking outwards, and with that you

1135
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,360
could embody the character more in terms of how it

1136
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,159
interacts with again the politics, the landscape, whatever, the culture.

1137
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,599
This one is a more kind of intimate, I don't

1138
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,719
want to say introverted, but more kind of introspect, you know,

1139
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,079
that's the word I'm looking for exactly. I think ghost record,

1140
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,119
And maybe in that sense it does just feel more

1141
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,280
like Tobias himself is just singing to you. So I

1142
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,199
think that's valid. Again, I don't necessarily know if that

1143
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,320
makes it a you know, if that's a pro or

1144
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,719
a con, I think it's just an observation maybe, But

1145
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,000
Guiding Lights, I just think as it still has the

1146
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,360
ghost thing for me of you know, to use a

1147
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,199
really like cheesy, soppy piece of language or something, but

1148
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,360
ghost have this ability to just make you really feel

1149
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,599
held by a song, you know, like something that's just

1150
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:52,039
so warming and soothing. And sometimes they're doing it in

1151
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,320
the arms of Satan as they are on he Is,

1152
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,000
and sometimes it's just pure glam like this, but they've

1153
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,039
always excelled in finding comfort in something very shadowy. And

1154
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:03,119
that is the most air grab chorus you've ever heard,

1155
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,800
but also it's subtle. But I think it is still

1156
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,039
inflected with some of those European influences of like the

1157
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:11,159
kind of classic horror scores, that kind of the piano

1158
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,400
and the sort of like dumb dumb, dumb, dum dumb

1159
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,880
dumb like harpsichord or whatever it is makes me feel

1160
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,519
like I'm in like Darry Argento's phenomena or something, And

1161
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,280
that's sort of you know, the pendulum of the like

1162
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,000
subversive cult horror rock to outright glam rock, you know,

1163
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,639
percentage it might have swung more that second way. But

1164
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,840
if you're still looking for those moments, you can feel,

1165
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,559
you know, those kind of them in there and you're

1166
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,599
still in tune with them. And when this record does

1167
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,199
go up beat again. Quite a few of the deeper

1168
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,840
cuts actually they have this very like bubbly pop energy

1169
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,760
to them. You have got, as you mentioned Sam deeper

1170
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Fundus Borealis, which is a you know, less cheeky, maybe

1171
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,360
more again comforting sort of song because every time it

1172
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,119
hits the chorus and that every time you hear the

1173
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,559
wimblow and the pace is going, it's powering forward. You've

1174
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,599
got the lead guitar kind of call and response. Dazzling

1175
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:00,920
is a word that I would use again. I do

1176
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,960
feel like I've got like stars in my eyes and

1177
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,199
you know, Papa's got my back and we can take

1178
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,079
on the world, that we can do anything with a

1179
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:11,079
moment like that. That one, to me is again another one.

1180
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:12,519
Speaker 4: For a long time it was eluding me, and then

1181
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,360
once I kind of had the perspective switch, it really clicked.

1182
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,360
This one is so Disney. In that chorus, it just

1183
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,639
soars that thing you were saying is probably I can

1184
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:24,840
show you the world like.

1185
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,679
Speaker 1: Just that's magic carpet. Absolutely.

1186
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: That's probably why it might be one of my favorite

1187
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,840
songs on the record.

1188
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 3: Because it has that quality, but it does that whilst rocking,

1189
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,320
like and as I don't like, I don't like, you

1190
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,440
know it's Disney to sort of go oh, that means

1191
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,719
you know, it is pure fluff and cheese like, and

1192
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,679
sure there is a lot of cheese on that song,

1193
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,239
but like the guitar that bit because you get that,

1194
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,239
you know, that old delicate piano intro thing, and I

1195
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,880
was kind of like, oh two balance and no, no,

1196
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,599
here comes the big riff and it is a pure

1197
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:57,760
rocking thing and it just kind of gets more like

1198
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,679
overdriven each time. It's all come around, so by the

1199
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,280
end you are fully like this in the air, like yeah,

1200
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,880
let's go, Papa, let's let's let's do this together on

1201
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,360
this like pure cheese chorus, And that to me is

1202
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,480
again just what I want Ghost to be at this point.

1203
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:17,440
Is that just pop glory but with like being done

1204
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,199
with a heavy metal drive to it.

1205
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1206
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: Marks of the Evil one later on maybe has a

1207
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,039
similar kind of energy in that regard where it is

1208
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,719
quite wind swept and bombastic. I do think the chorus

1209
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,079
sounds a bit like you're going to break into that

1210
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,159
day or day every time, but it's not. It's very

1211
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,280
it's a similar kind of feel. Elliott, your favorite lyric.

1212
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,960
You put it out before i'd actually press play on

1213
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,599
the album the first time. The way he describes the

1214
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,679
four horsemen, this is so how is that the lyric

1215
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:54,719
you've taken to the final take? The third rider looks cool,

1216
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,159
and then he just goes straight onto the fourth one

1217
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,800
is death, but it's just the third one in isolation

1218
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,559
looks cool. It is a shit lyric, but I'm really

1219
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,440
happy it's there because it made me smile so much.

1220
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: I don't know why that is so funny, And I

1221
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,559
don't know how much of why I like that song

1222
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:19,440
is that one lyric. But I couldn't believe it when

1223
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,880
it first came in, when it's just like the first

1224
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:22,440
rider is this?

1225
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,039
Speaker 1: The second rider is this? That chorus comes in, the

1226
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:27,679
third rider looks cool. Then it's like.

1227
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,679
Speaker 4: You just for some reason, the third rider, which everyone

1228
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:35,000
that is has shades and a leather jacket, is looking

1229
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,960
over the top and like is slicking his hair back.

1230
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,079
It's like it's so pure ghost to go like to

1231
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:42,920
having a song about the four horsemen and describe one

1232
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:43,960
of them as looking like.

1233
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: A groovy guy like that, I think you just forgot

1234
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,920
his lyric and at that point and hadn't written it

1235
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,719
down some of the fits. But I love again speaking

1236
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,760
of the crazy backing vocals every time, the kind of

1237
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,960
gospel one that comes in on Serpents just a lifts

1238
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,800
me every time. And it's the touches like that throughout

1239
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,199
the record.

1240
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: The one on that, for me is one of the

1241
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,559
things that goes to great is the way they can

1242
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,559
repeat things but change it ever so slightly so it

1243
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:13,079
feels fresh like that, going back to lack of the

1244
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,679
final I'm done before the last chorus, just going up

1245
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:18,719
again a bit higher, Yeah, just sets it. The one

1246
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:24,159
on here Where's there Watch? Yeah, Yeah, that punched through

1247
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:27,679
moment where again, like above and beyond, not necessarily the

1248
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:31,960
song's great anyway, it just it makes it so much

1249
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,360
more exciting. It just lifts the song that like a

1250
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,360
couple of degrees higher every time it comes in. And

1251
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,840
it's little things like that which you know, maybe slightly

1252
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,239
more gun shy bands wouldn't think to do. And it's

1253
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,159
it's the reason why ghost leagues ahead of anyone doing

1254
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:46,920
the same sort of thing.

1255
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cenotaph is a funny one because that feels almost

1256
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:52,599
to me like kind of in their more than sort

1257
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,400
of eighties glam Guys, a bit of a successor to

1258
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,800
some of the early Ghost songs. I'm kind of forgotten now,

1259
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,480
but some of my favorite songs like Giga o'harmon and

1260
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:03,679
Idolatry that have that kind of like vaudeville to tap

1261
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:05,159
a sort of energy that I thought they'd kind of

1262
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,480
left behind. But I was sort of waiting for this

1263
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:09,639
to go full show tune like those do. It doesn't quite,

1264
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:12,440
but translating that energy into this kind of you know,

1265
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,639
modern death journey thing that they have going on that song.

1266
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:18,760
I've loved Moral when every listen because it is such

1267
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,440
pure joy and again that sense of kinship and connection

1268
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,519
that you know, like kind of wherever I go, you're

1269
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:27,960
always there riding next to me with that like stateless

1270
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:30,679
quoke guitar that comes in afterwards. Like that's another one

1271
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:32,599
that's gone from being a song that I wasn't so

1272
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:34,559
fussed about to like one of my favorites.

1273
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,119
Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, Cymotaph makes thing. Maybe yacht rock can be

1274
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:38,960
good actually is like when like.

1275
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: We all know, I mean, I just I have got

1276
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,719
Oh the sort of jeweling guitar keyboard solo can be good.

1277
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:54,559
Actually take notes, that's outrageous, like is really fun, you know,

1278
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,480
because it's all it is, all the twinkly keys and

1279
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,519
major key melodies and then again there's like skip on

1280
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,239
the drum beat, but it's so infectious and again that

1281
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,400
I like, I could add about every song on this

1282
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,599
album and infectious quality to every song here and that

1283
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,760
maybe two different levels, but there wasn't Well, I don't

1284
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,400
like that. I wouldn't want to see that live. I'm like,

1285
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:16,159
you can put all these songs in the live setus

1286
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,639
and I'd have fun seeing them because the melodies and

1287
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:20,880
just the energy of the song just sort of takes

1288
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:21,159
over me.

1289
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: And I'm just having fun whenever they're on.

1290
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 4: I think for all that stuff I was saying about ghosts,

1291
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,199
some of the songs that theyre maybe not sounding so

1292
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,199
ghost I should selling more just to bias for drying

1293
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:30,760
rock songs.

1294
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,079
Speaker 1: That is probably true of Cenotaph.

1295
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,239
Speaker 4: I hadn't thought that thing you said, paring about it

1296
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:37,719
pointing back to some of their older songs. But I

1297
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,960
see what you're saying there. In this case, I think

1298
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,079
it's my favorite song on the record. I have loved

1299
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,119
Cenotaph from the first time I've heard it, and I've

1300
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:50,800
loved it more and more and more. That melody is staggering.

1301
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:53,800
I can't imagine not getting swept up in it. That

1302
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,039
like crazy little thing called love like guitar riff and

1303
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,239
that's a little skippy ballop and that solo, that thing

1304
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,280
we're saying about little things that just improve the song

1305
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,800
in the second ones that in.

1306
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,199
Speaker 1: The heat of the moment, dan Ow.

1307
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,679
Speaker 4: It's like that's been done by a million bands a

1308
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,760
million billion times, and in the hands of Ghost it

1309
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,400
just sounds fresh and fun and makes the song feel alive.

1310
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:20,440
And that combination of like Toto and Queen again. Almost

1311
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:24,920
all the Merciful Fate or the Angel Which or any

1312
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,719
of the other kind of more hard edged influences they've

1313
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:31,880
been completely shed off here, but thankfully Ghost. As such,

1314
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,559
Tobias is such a tremendous songwriter that even in something

1315
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:38,519
which I'm sure it informs it sound, but doing something

1316
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:40,679
really quite a step away from what is in his

1317
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,559
general comfort zone, and it just smashes it out of

1318
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,480
the park, and whether you like the song or not,

1319
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:49,320
you're never going to forget which song Cenotaph is looking

1320
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,280
at the track list, It's just it bursts out of it.

1321
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I can't imagine just not fully getting

1322
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,800
swept up in that riding next to me like every

1323
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,480
single time it comes around. And then the album just

1324
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,639
starts to get really horny, because like we were saying that,

1325
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:04,719
you know, in perror casting its gaze outwards so much

1326
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,599
and taking that sound of like opulent, decadent empire or

1327
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,960
all of that skeleton does feel more introspective. And if

1328
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,280
I didn't know that Tobias was a married man with kids,

1329
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,599
it would be a bit like, oh, what's this a

1330
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:18,719
new lady in your life? Perhaps because this just turns

1331
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:22,760
into such a infatuated recently you know, fallen in love

1332
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,199
type energy of an album, but at the same time

1333
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,880
delivered with what I can only describe as kiss love

1334
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,199
gun energy, like if sleep Token are talking about the

1335
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,599
baddest baddies in the room. This comes from the well,

1336
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,239
I guess I'll just whip my dick out school of

1337
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,679
like lific songthing when it comes to that, which is

1338
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:44,360
where we get into Missilia Amori, which is probably the

1339
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,440
twenties of this album in terms of whether people can

1340
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,599
hack it or not. But I am a Scorpions fan.

1341
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,719
I think love Gun rocks. Most of us are all

1342
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,960
right with ACDC doing let Me Put My Love into

1343
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,639
You Again. It's a very specific kind of like, oh,

1344
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:01,079
we haven't heard songs written in this body sort of

1345
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:05,719
way since the eighties, and musically it kind of it's

1346
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,079
almost like an intentional homage or something, because it very

1347
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:14,440
it veers into that like Scorpions deaf leopard hulking, quite sluggish,

1348
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,519
like you know, particular sort of eighties hard rock stiffness.

1349
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:20,280
To forgive the wording, right, I think you know. Tobias

1350
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,920
said an interview that he was thinking of those kind

1351
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,639
of like eighties sleeze rock stripperanthem type songs when putting

1352
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:28,559
that one together, and it it properly is quite tacky

1353
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,920
as a song, right with the fucking you know you

1354
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,800
show me yours, I'll show you mine. And I can

1355
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,239
again the people who just roll their eyes when Ghost

1356
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:38,480
do puns, I can imagine hating it, but I can't

1357
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,360
help myself going love Rocket every dome.

1358
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: I mean, when I first heard this chorus my jaw

1359
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:50,639
dropped on that course to Bias, I love this Naughties,

1360
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:54,159
It's so funny, Like again, I can't quite believe it

1361
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:57,000
every time I'm hearing it. That again, in twenty twenty five,

1362
01:03:57,079 --> 01:03:59,360
someone has come out with the chorus love rockets shot

1363
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,440
right in between your eyes, like this is the kind

1364
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,320
of songwriting that we should have liked. Again, by all

1365
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,119
the gods, we should have left this behind in the eighties.

1366
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: Panther almost yeah, but with ghost like.

1367
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:13,159
Speaker 2: I know Tobias is winking at me the entire time.

1368
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:13,920
I know it is.

1369
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 3: It's like ghosts have a level of camp to this

1370
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,519
thing that stell Panther, don't where none of this comes

1371
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:23,480
across as like ced or lecturers or or misogynistic, because

1372
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,920
ghosts are just so lovable with it, whereas still Panther,

1373
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,239
you're gonna be like, oh, you're just disgusting, like horrible

1374
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,400
men like Tobias.

1375
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: I would never think that about him.

1376
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: But it is like again the chorus, the verse even

1377
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,199
gets kind of like a bit ced but and it

1378
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,320
has got that sleazy, big kind of Eighties like you

1379
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,880
like strip around from kind of hard rock stomp to it.

1380
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:48,960
But at the same time. That chorus is so fucking catchy.

1381
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:49,840
Even if I like.

1382
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:52,599
Speaker 2: I shouldn't sing these words out loud.

1383
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:55,079
Speaker 3: They shouldn't be saying about my love rockets shot right

1384
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:59,599
in between your eyes exactly with your demise, like, oh,

1385
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,679
but I can't help but smile this again.

1386
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,119
Speaker 4: It was another one where when the reviews of this

1387
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,320
rep start coming out and they were going, Ghost have

1388
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,880
done a stripper anthem, I didn't know whether to clap

1389
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,719
or put my head in my hands. I couldn't work

1390
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:14,760
after that sound like a brilliant or a terrible idea,

1391
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,360
And you're right. The second half this record is certainly

1392
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,360
hornier than the first, and Umbras will get to you later.

1393
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,480
That's a song which it feels like more of a

1394
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:27,880
conscious effort has been made, maybe to make that topic

1395
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,119
more relatable to Ghost. We'll get into the lyrics of

1396
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,360
that song, but it's a bit more clever. Let's say,

1397
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,800
where's in this one? He's kind of gone.

1398
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: We'll give it a Latin title and that'll be fairly

1399
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,920
Ghost Cilia and Maury is such a funny title. What

1400
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:46,719
it's like they've written love rockets and then god, we

1401
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,199
can't call it that? What's that in Latin, because.

1402
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,599
Speaker 4: I was looking at it and I was thinking, I mean,

1403
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,360
I don't know Latin at all. You can try and

1404
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,320
do like some you can try and work backwards.

1405
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,079
Speaker 1: And I got a maury. I think that's love miss iliat.

1406
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,559
Speaker 2: Love, missile missiles of love like missiles of love.

1407
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,239
Speaker 4: Uh, I kind of And then as soon as as

1408
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:11,079
a strip around for you, I see it's it's it's

1409
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,679
really it's only it's barely above lick my Love pump

1410
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,880
as like a rock song title. But again maybe the

1411
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,880
first I think, once you kind of settle into what

1412
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,280
it is, I used to accept it. It's pretty irresistible,

1413
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,000
like that riff. I think does walk the line between

1414
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,719
classic like say Scorpion strip around them and something that's

1415
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,199
close close, something like Series or Faith. It's a bit

1416
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,679
more menacing than those kind of songs. And again, ultimately

1417
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:42,920
he's just great at writing eighties metaled songs of any guys.

1418
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,719
He's he's clear like a student of the game, and

1419
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,239
he knows why the best songs in this style work.

1420
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you mentioned Umbra, which I agree with you.

1421
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,159
Maybe is in terms of how they've wrapped it up.

1422
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:54,840
Maybe it's more of the kind of Monster it's clock

1423
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,400
Spirit of Things or something in that regard. But Umbra

1424
01:06:57,559 --> 01:06:58,639
is the like one of the ones that I will

1425
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:00,599
absolutely ride or die for on. I think it's one

1426
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,679
of the best songs on the record because that that's

1427
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,880
like a fuck that's a rock opera song about coming

1428
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:08,519
or something like. It's just it's so you've got sounds

1429
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,320
popping off from everywhere with that kind of the meat

1430
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,159
loaf style done done keyboard accent after every line and

1431
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,000
the chorus like in the Shadow of the Nazarene, I'll

1432
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,400
put my love in you. I laughed at that more

1433
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,559
than I did love Rockets, I think because it's such

1434
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:27,639
a curious mix of like both worlds that Ghost have inhabited,

1435
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:31,119
where it's a strange mix of like black metal language right,

1436
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:33,880
like phrasing you only hear in that world in the

1437
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,239
Shadow of the Nazarene, and then halfway through the line

1438
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,360
deciding to turn into like body kiss orrys DC or something.

1439
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:43,800
I've never heard it done like that, and it's really

1440
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,679
strangely memorable. And then the back half of the song

1441
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,719
going off the rails for fucking dueling organ solos like

1442
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:53,039
I'm sorry if you don't think that section is sick.

1443
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:55,079
You need to fibrillate in. It's just I mean, like

1444
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,960
again Sam, if the Cenotaph or whichever song it was

1445
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:05,000
key what this one is a whole other level about radius.

1446
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 3: And this song becomes a runaway ghost train going completely

1447
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:08,679
off the rails.

1448
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 2: The draining solos fucking amazing.

1449
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,239
Speaker 3: You haven't even mentioned the again in the seven Nazarine

1450
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:18,600
loving you great lyric the cowbell on this song. Yeah,

1451
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,600
that just don't fucking stop because you can never have

1452
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,840
too much cow bell. It is just going and going again.

1453
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,199
This is another like just full on, just momentous. I mean,

1454
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,760
this is like the late album highlight for me is Umbra,

1455
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:35,640
where again that chorus is glorious. It goes completely batshitt

1456
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,039
insane with the solos, but it's so the energy is

1457
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:43,039
just completely infectious from start to finish that I can't

1458
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:45,319
see how someone could, like like Ghosts and not have

1459
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,720
the best time with this song.

1460
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 4: If not Cenotaph, this is the best song on the

1461
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,520
record for my money. As far as the thing of

1462
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:57,039
it's Sabbath bloody Sabbath Worship mixed with Billie Idol with

1463
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,239
John Lord doing the organ solo, which as far as

1464
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,399
like the promise of a song that's pretty up there

1465
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,760
and it completely delivers on it. And when that organ

1466
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,800
lead guitar trade off bit comes in towards the end,

1467
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,479
all I was thinking is it's tragic that we live

1468
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,439
in a world where there's no new guitar hero games,

1469
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,600
because as soon as you hear that, you just go

1470
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:21,720
this is made for that, Like the excitement of sweeping

1471
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:22,720
guitar leads.

1472
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,119
Speaker 1: It's it's so infectious. Would go crazy on that part

1473
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:32,119
if you like rock music from.

1474
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,239
Speaker 4: This era of basically any stripe that's that sensation, that

1475
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,520
thing you like is so radically present on a song

1476
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,600
like Umbra. It's so exciting if that's your bag.

1477
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: And I mean, when was.

1478
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:49,279
Speaker 4: The last time that a seriously popular and somewhat new

1479
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:54,399
rock band was doing something that balls out nonsense rock

1480
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:58,399
and roll in from the old school. It doesn't really happen,

1481
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,840
And why is into every day? Like why isn't this

1482
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:04,279
a near constant in our world? It's just it's the

1483
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:04,880
best sound.

1484
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Ghosts, I think they've settled into a

1485
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,399
structure now where they often have like the penultimate track

1486
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,279
is something quite bombastic in that regard and then the

1487
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:18,720
closer will almost feel like a bit of a wrapping

1488
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:23,039
things up epilogue. Sometimes that can go, you know, almost

1489
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,199
counter to what you would think quite epic in the

1490
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,520
way they did last time with a Respite on the Bittlefields.

1491
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:29,640
But they do often. You know, you look at Life

1492
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,479
Eternal or Prequel, you look at that, and then you

1493
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,760
look at Excelsis. Here they they go for closes that

1494
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,600
are less kind of eyes popping out of your head

1495
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,640
ear candy. Then a lot of the songs come before it,

1496
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,920
so maybe at first they feel a little weak in comparison.

1497
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,000
I think Excelsis is you know, it's my least favorite

1498
01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:48,319
song with the record. It's I think it's the least

1499
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:50,840
exciting one. Again, if you're feeling really harsh, you could

1500
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,800
say it's the most sort of dreary song on the record,

1501
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,600
But I say that again liking the song. I thought

1502
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,159
similarly about Respite on the Bittlefields when that first came out,

1503
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:00,479
and then you know, in the years after for Imperior,

1504
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,600
it just firmly lodged itself in my head, and it

1505
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,920
functions really well as the closer of the record here,

1506
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,560
because you know, it's quite delicate and touching in the

1507
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,760
way a lot of the record is kind of themed

1508
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,000
around being and the way it ends with those you know,

1509
01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:16,119
the final notes of I Am Afraid of the Eternity

1510
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:17,279
Too is just really nice.

1511
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,119
Speaker 3: So this was the one where I was just as

1512
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:23,439
I like, thinking back to the movie and some of

1513
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,479
the themes the movie was trying touch on and not

1514
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,399
touch on particularly well on kind of mortality and that

1515
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,239
sort of thing. I was like, those are doing that

1516
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:32,560
much better here on this album. Where this album is

1517
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,399
kind of a very for all we love it. It's

1518
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,840
a very human record where the songs are you know,

1519
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,399
there are songs about kind of like coming to terms

1520
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:41,680
with death and the ballads and kind of just falling

1521
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,039
in love in that and that's what I think they

1522
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:44,720
were they were going for in the movie, which I

1523
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,680
think kind of serves as quite a nice lead into

1524
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,159
what this album is. So I liked this as a

1525
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:51,800
closer kind of like touching on those themes. It's not

1526
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,840
the most dazzling ghost ballad ever, but again the current

1527
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,960
met to the Rainbow's end coming to the Holy Land

1528
01:11:57,119 --> 01:12:00,359
like the like the hooks of Stuck Me, and I

1529
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:02,960
think it's you know, nice, and it does again, build up,

1530
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:04,640
it adds in some things and you get that big

1531
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,319
guitar shanded sort of like take you Home towards the end.

1532
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a nice closer.

1533
01:12:09,319 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1534
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,239
Speaker 4: I mean, when I first heard this record, this was

1535
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:13,199
the only song in it, which, as much as there

1536
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:15,319
were others that wasn't totally solid, on this one I

1537
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:19,399
actually thought was kind of unfortunate. I would go as

1538
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,600
far to say I thought it was a pretty poor song.

1539
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,199
But that's one of the reason I'm glad we're doing

1540
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,439
this a month later after hearing it for the first time,

1541
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,000
because this has grown on me loads, and I think

1542
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:32,159
part of it is I've grown accustomed to a level

1543
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:37,640
of quality or like that Genesis, Monstrance, Clock, Dair Sneabsentia, Life,

1544
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:42,880
Eternal Respies on this Spittle Fields. They are, like all

1545
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:47,760
of them, pretty dramatic, bold, attention grabbing closes, even if

1546
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,600
they're not the most high energy, like you say, eyes popping,

1547
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:55,880
crazy sort of songs, and this one is very subdued,

1548
01:12:56,319 --> 01:12:59,000
particularly contrasted with the run of songs we just had

1549
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,439
before it. But I'm really taken with this song now.

1550
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,359
I think it's so much better than I actually gave

1551
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:07,079
it credit for It's not the catchest, it's not the

1552
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,600
most dazzling, and there's an argument to saying maybe it's slightly

1553
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,479
a little bit too long, but I love the question

1554
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,640
that it leaves the record with the fact it doesn't

1555
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,159
feel like it's super conclusive finale, the way that we've

1556
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,640
gone accustom to a Ghost that final line you're talking about,

1557
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,880
it almost feels like the album finishes slightly too soon.

1558
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:27,960
It leaves you wanting more in those final moments. And

1559
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:30,920
I would agree it's probably my least favorite song on

1560
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,720
the record, but I like what it does to the package,

1561
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:35,439
if that makes sense.

1562
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree. Again, I felt the same about

1563
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:41,239
Respout on this bit of fields on Impairer. I felt

1564
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:44,159
maybe sort of similar about Life Eternal and Prequell. And

1565
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:48,119
I was thinking about this record again, trying to be realistic,

1566
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,079
think with a critical eye, whatever, and I was thinking

1567
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:53,399
that maybe this is a less consistent Ghost record, and

1568
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,159
then I was going, but I love every song on it,

1569
01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:56,920
so how can it be less consistent?

1570
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:57,159
Speaker 2: You know?

1571
01:13:57,359 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have, as you're saying, this sort

1572
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,720
of feel bits of interludes or whatever. It's just ten

1573
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,520
tracks of tunes. So I think it is a less

1574
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,319
sensational Ghost album maybe, or like you know, kind of

1575
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:10,039
from front to back. I think, like my my least

1576
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:13,119
favorite of the preceding five Ghost records was Prequel, which

1577
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,159
tons of people would give me stick for because they

1578
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:17,199
think it's the best one, But like one of them's

1579
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:18,560
got to be the bottom, right, and it wasn't going

1580
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:19,640
to be one of the other ones for me, So

1581
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,319
it's just is that one by default, even though it's fantastic,

1582
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:24,760
and this doesn't have a dance for Carb on it,

1583
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,800
So this is probably now that I agree earlier, but

1584
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,800
I have already for the last month, you know, listen

1585
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,119
to this so much. It will end up being one

1586
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:35,880
of my most played albums of the year when I'm

1587
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,000
not burying my head in the unlistenable shit. They just

1588
01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:42,560
write for me the most perfect pop, sing along heavy

1589
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,680
metal songs, and I think it's so in tune with

1590
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,039
again that lineage of kind of classic rock and metal

1591
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:49,880
spirit that I think very much. You know, it needs

1592
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,319
someone preserving it right now. The craftsmanship is just like artisanal.

1593
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,720
Even saying, you know, maybe this is a less sensational,

1594
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,239
consistent whatever Ghost album. Every song is different in way

1595
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:03,159
that works in its favor, like talking about just the

1596
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,159
kind of horn dog songs like Missilia Amori and Umbra

1597
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,319
are totally different in feel right and Messillia Amory. I

1598
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:11,800
think part of the big reason it works because it's

1599
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,479
the only one like that, rather than what def Leopard,

1600
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,039
for example, do, which is make a whole album of

1601
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:18,560
there's ten of those, whereas this is one. Then you go, oh, sick.

1602
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,279
That's that. It's it's a bit more measured, a bit

1603
01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:27,239
more aor than really outright metal. Maybe this time I

1604
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:29,800
think some of the darkness has certainly trickled out. It

1605
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,800
is sweeter and cuter than they've ever been, but they

1606
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,800
are the best. Yeah.

1607
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,319
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said at the top of this,

1608
01:15:37,359 --> 01:15:40,079
at the time of recording, having had the album about

1609
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:43,640
a month, this is probably my least favorite Ghost record.

1610
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,960
I mean the one beforehand, which was Farmer the Pile

1611
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:47,520
and this might come as to either of you, I'm

1612
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,600
not sure, but was in Fastisimum, which took me a

1613
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,359
long time to really get to grips with, and I

1614
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:56,399
guess like that record, this is the only one where

1615
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:59,600
I wasn't totally and utterly addicted to every single song

1616
01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:01,319
from the moment I heard it in the way that

1617
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,159
was with the Debut and Meliora and pre Kill and

1618
01:16:05,239 --> 01:16:07,640
Imperial Last time Out. And there are still songs on

1619
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,920
here that I'm not totally head over heels taken with

1620
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,239
without any reservations whatsoever. But I've already grown to like

1621
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,439
those a lot more than I did initially, and I

1622
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,319
suspect I'll continue to do so. And you know, if

1623
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:25,079
this is their worst record, what a fucking band, Because

1624
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:30,239
on their quote unquote worst day, you're getting Peacefield, Lacroma, Umbra,

1625
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,439
Marks of the Evil One, Satanized Cenotaph, and what I've

1626
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,600
named six or seven songs there, and the other ones

1627
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,640
are really good as well. That's a pretty remarkable standard.

1628
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,319
And if you're committed to classic metal bands, it's six

1629
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:47,399
records in not many of them are doing are hitting

1630
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:49,079
that sort of batting average.

1631
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I might be the most

1632
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,319
positive about this all of us. I've just you know,

1633
01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:55,800
kind of just come into this like I don't think

1634
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,920
my explosion would go to just kind of like give

1635
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,079
me the pop metal songs, but I've just gobbled up

1636
01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:03,119
every little sort of like second of this album just

1637
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:04,800
had a lovely time with it. We'll have a different

1638
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,560
least of a ghost album and this or that, but

1639
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,680
I would probably right now put this in the kind

1640
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,600
of the middle of the pack. I really have had

1641
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,239
a great time with this record, and I'm gonna keep

1642
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:14,920
having a great time for the rest of this year

1643
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,199
with it and onwards, because it's just delivering. And again

1644
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:21,039
maybe it is because it's more Disney and that's more

1645
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:21,920
my sort of thing.

1646
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:26,119
Speaker 2: We're gonna roll with that now. But it's infectious. I

1647
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,079
can keep just going back to that word.

1648
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 3: It is just sort of these songs have wormed their

1649
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,159
way in and I hit play on this album peaceful starts,

1650
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,119
and I'm gonna smile and I'm not gonna stop smiling

1651
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:37,399
for the next forty odd minutes.

1652
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely essentially agree Ghost Skeleton. Now we come

1653
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,880
to another big record that was released the same day,

1654
01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:47,560
right at the end of April, before we move on

1655
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,199
to May stuff, machine Head Unatoned. I really don't like

1656
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:55,159
the state of play right now where we have to

1657
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:57,319
come into a machine Head album review with this sort

1658
01:17:57,319 --> 01:17:59,640
of tone in our voices of here we go. Because

1659
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,560
Machinehead are one of the best metal bands, arguably of

1660
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,560
all time. Like I'm sure that they are a seminal

1661
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,880
band for so many of us, and I personally believe

1662
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,039
and have often stated, there was quite a long period

1663
01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:13,560
where I felt they were getting a lot more shit

1664
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,520
than they deserved. I mean, even going as far back

1665
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,960
to like you know, the dim Bash incident and Rob

1666
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,319
Flynn making that video about Phil Andselmo, and he was

1667
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:22,439
like one of the very first people to kind of

1668
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,199
call him out from the kind of the metal community,

1669
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,319
and it's like some people just decided that he was

1670
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:28,720
getting above his station or something and being too loudmouthed

1671
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,600
and turned him into this punching bag ever since, and

1672
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,319
it feels like it has been upwards of a decade

1673
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:38,359
since machine Head were a pretty universally beloved band, but

1674
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,239
their career has been quite remarkable, with so many classic

1675
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:45,560
songs from different decades and eras. I mean, certainly like

1676
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,560
at least around twenty fourteen, but some would arguably as

1677
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,760
recently as like twenty twenty two, they were making you know,

1678
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,399
classic machine Nearer material. But in twenty twenty five, enthusiasm

1679
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:58,880
for machine Head seems thin on the ground, doesn't it.

1680
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,119
Speaker 3: I Mean, it's funny because you know, so obviously go

1681
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:02,760
back to was it twenty twenty two?

1682
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: Was that? Yeah, that kind of like seemed to be

1683
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,520
you know, everyone was getting back on the boardom the

1684
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:09,880
shine Train.

1685
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 3: And again that album's not amazing, but it seems to

1686
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,439
you know, right the ship little bit steady, things out

1687
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:15,319
and you know it's good.

1688
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: Become the fire Storm and that is a fucking rage

1689
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:17,520
of that song.

1690
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,279
Speaker 3: So it kind of felt like, you know, things were

1691
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:23,199
going back on the right track, and next time along

1692
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:26,319
it seems to have just completely fallen apart. I mean,

1693
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:32,840
I will just preface this io ioson Dumond's an apology,

1694
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,840
I have been very, very wrong about that album. We'll

1695
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,800
get that out there right the way.

1696
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 2: My bad.

1697
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say before we get into discuss

1698
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,479
on this, because I can be like, oh no, no, no, it.

1699
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 2: Could get a lot worse. It really can. So yeah,

1700
01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:48,760
prebas with that.

1701
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, enthusiasm for this album in particular, even before

1702
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,239
we got to you know, when we didn't know if

1703
01:19:55,239 --> 01:19:58,079
it was gonna be a single or the obviously the

1704
01:19:58,119 --> 01:20:01,359
scars went to find us like it felt kind of

1705
01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:03,159
like there was a loo kind of like, oh yeah,

1706
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:04,520
Machin had a back off an now and that people

1707
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,039
seem to generally be on board of and it just

1708
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:09,399
seems to, you know, be a steady decline of excitement

1709
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,439
for this album with each kind of like passing new

1710
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,840
bit of information or new single, and then you know,

1711
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,520
the album's just kind of like plopped out and we're here.

1712
01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: Having to kind of be like machine Head about it.

1713
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on one hand, it's wild that we are

1714
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,439
coming in with this sort of tone because for a

1715
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,479
long time, certainly for the first few years of me

1716
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,960
being into metal, machine Head were one of those it

1717
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,800
felt like a sacred cow, like no one had a

1718
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,119
bad word to say about the me. And when something

1719
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,359
Bloodstone and Diamonds came out, which was a great record

1720
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:44,439
that got really positive reviews, the story was almost how

1721
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,479
can people aren't saying this albums even better than it

1722
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:51,159
is than they are? And now, like you say, following

1723
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:53,680
up of Kingdom and Crown, which at the time was

1724
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,359
pretty well received, To be honest, I think, and I thought,

1725
01:20:56,399 --> 01:21:00,439
then it's a fairly unspectacular record. I think the only reason,

1726
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,760
not the only reason, maybe, but I think a large

1727
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,039
part of why people were so enthusiastic about it was

1728
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:09,039
because directly beforehand, they had been as big a slump

1729
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:12,479
as any classic metal band I think has ever been,

1730
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,920
and this time it's like whatever enthusiasm was still radiating

1731
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,600
from that last record and for reasons that are kind

1732
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,159
of unclear, had evaporated before this record came out. I

1733
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:27,039
didn't really see anyone going, oh, this new Machine had

1734
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:31,359
a record, Hopefully they can capitalize on off Kingdom and

1735
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:33,159
Crown and where they've been recently seemed a lot better.

1736
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,960
The album just sort of arrived and people seemed resigned

1737
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:43,079
to not liking it straight away, and upon hearing the record,

1738
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,279
it was a pretty depressing recognition that that was maybe

1739
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:50,439
the right attitude to have.

1740
01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't even listen to this record until my

1741
01:21:54,119 --> 01:21:56,439
trip back from Incineration Festival, about a week after it

1742
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,199
came out. I just didn't have the desire in me

1743
01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:01,119
to like put it on. And that's quite sad considering

1744
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:05,039
for myself this it almost feels like things coming home

1745
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:06,840
to roost a bit, and a few things that we've

1746
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,680
been worried about potentially being problems with machine Head kind

1747
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,359
of catching up with them, because obviously they have been rocky, right,

1748
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:15,039
They've had great successes, you know, I don't want to

1749
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:17,920
paint over you know, a Kingdom and Crown. They were

1750
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:20,439
back to happily being like a you know, sort of

1751
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,600
mid sized festival headline or anything like that, the level

1752
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,840
you'd want them to be. But in terms of the

1753
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,159
state of their band, who is in the band, you know,

1754
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,399
being on any kind of sustained runner form, it has

1755
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,319
been up and down of Kindom and Crown is not

1756
01:22:31,359 --> 01:22:33,239
a record that I've gone back to very much because

1757
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:37,000
I you know, unspectacular I think is certainly a way

1758
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,880
you can put it. I don't think it has the

1759
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,039
real magic of that you know, late twenty early twenty

1760
01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:44,960
tens kind of second golden era of machine Head, even

1761
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,840
if sonically that is the period that it is the

1762
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,439
most like perhaps just it's down to it doesn't have

1763
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,000
the real worked out band chemistry of those records, because

1764
01:22:54,039 --> 01:22:56,199
nobody can remember who is on any given machine Head

1765
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,840
these days. But what was being written on that record

1766
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,840
was largely good, right like It's a worthy, respectable how

1767
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:07,319
I think, and if they are past their absolute creative

1768
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:11,479
peak Shock Horror, three decades after their debut album, so

1769
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,159
be it right like you could live in a happy

1770
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:14,720
world if that is the kind of standard of what

1771
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,800
they're doing, and machine Head are strange like that, Like

1772
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,159
if you squint at it, you could arguably give them

1773
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,439
credit for I mean, Elliott, you've said something about machine

1774
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,520
Head arriving on these albums are as far into their

1775
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,920
career as Slayer or Megadeth were when they were putting

1776
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,319
out Repentless or Dystopia ten years ago, right, like, and

1777
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:36,920
you can go beyond that. Rob Flynn was in Violence

1778
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,319
putting out Eternal Nightmare in the late eighties. Thinking about

1779
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,760
that guy being in the same room as Jordan Fish

1780
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:47,239
is crazy, where like no one from that generation like

1781
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,239
Slayer were not coming back to work with Jordan Fish, right,

1782
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:55,359
machine Head have been not defined by being eighties thrash

1783
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:58,720
guys in the same way despite literally being a e

1784
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,279
thrash guys. But if you remember in twenty sixteen, they

1785
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:04,520
put out a single is There Anybody out There? That

1786
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,079
inexplicably became like their most stream song by a mile,

1787
01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:09,920
and a lot of people were worried, like, oh, machine

1788
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,239
Hare going to go in a sort of like radio

1789
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:13,960
metal direction or something. And then you fast forward to

1790
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:18,520
the twenty twenties and the lineup instability, and you know,

1791
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,560
that Rob might as well have the kids from Black

1792
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,439
Flag on any given record in terms of like who

1793
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,760
he's choosing to record with. And Machine Head has unavoidably

1794
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,279
felt less like a band of four dudes you can name,

1795
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:32,359
and more Rob kind of with different collaborators. Those worries

1796
01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:35,720
that we've had about those things unatoned is unfortunately what

1797
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,960
the kind of the outcome that we were all sort

1798
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,039
of fearing for those several years sounds like it's just

1799
01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:44,159
finally sunk together after a few years into the process.

1800
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:49,399
And machine Heads other generally perceived as miss records, I've

1801
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,800
always found something like Catharsis. Obviously, I know it's a

1802
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,760
mixed bag, but I have always said there's like thirty

1803
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,960
to forty minutes of a strong record in there amongst

1804
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,600
the bloat and and everything else that's going on there.

1805
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,399
And I think it's a record that people characterized much

1806
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:05,600
more for its failures than the stuff that it did great.

1807
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,199
And Supercharger, the thing has always been, well, if at

1808
01:25:08,279 --> 01:25:10,760
least there's nothing else's Bulldozer a song that no one

1809
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,079
is upset to see live, right, this record is pretty dire, Like,

1810
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,760
maybe not completely every song an absolute stinker or something

1811
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:24,119
but I find it the most draining experience out of

1812
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:26,640
any machine Head album, and it's only forty minutes long

1813
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,800
compared to some of those. It's just it's just it

1814
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,720
feels very distasteful as it is entering my system.

1815
01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is the worst machine Head album

1816
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,600
by some margins. Again, I think Cathasis for all its flaws,

1817
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,960
and it is way too long. That Alm has character,

1818
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,720
Like the album has weird swings that maybe are misguided,

1819
01:25:46,119 --> 01:25:48,640
but you know, I'm not going to forget Bastards because

1820
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,720
it like it was so out there for machine at

1821
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,720
the time. You know, Super has Bulldozer, Like this album

1822
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,880
has nothing. I don't like a single thing on this album,

1823
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:02,119
and I don't want to give a sound of kicking

1824
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:04,760
because I don't want to know. I think Rob Flynn

1825
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,760
has you know, become a bit of like a punching

1826
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,119
bag at times where I'm like, does he deserve it?

1827
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 2: But this album, for me.

1828
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 1: He's earned a lot of respect, right I say that.

1829
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,319
Speaker 3: Dude wrote you know, like the Blackening Locus like absolutely

1830
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:20,560
like ten out of ten albums, Like I fucking love Locus,

1831
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,840
like that is one of my favorite machine albums because again,

1832
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,159
one of the first ones that came out when I

1833
01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:26,520
was fully in the machine head like ever, that album

1834
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,680
like it gets such a kicking when it doesn't deserve it.

1835
01:26:29,079 --> 01:26:30,680
But this is now where I kind of just listen

1836
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,600
to it and there is there's nothing here and Rob

1837
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,960
sounds tired for the first time ever, And that that,

1838
01:26:38,039 --> 01:26:40,279
to me was the real like thing like that I

1839
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:42,439
found really hard. I was like, for the problems you

1840
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,119
know last album, He's still sounded pretty fired up on

1841
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:47,319
it and was kind of it here.

1842
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: It just sounds like a bit of a shell of

1843
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,399
Rob Plin at times.

1844
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 3: And that's before you get onto how horrible the production

1845
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,119
of the record is, how unmemorable the songs are. I

1846
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:01,560
just this is one of least face like again, I've

1847
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,680
given a few bands I really like a kicking this year,

1848
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:07,079
and this feels like just another one of them where

1849
01:27:07,079 --> 01:27:09,960
I'm just like, I get no I get no pleasure

1850
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:10,399
from this.

1851
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: This is this is not like when.

1852
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 3: Those negative views are going to be like laughing and

1853
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,880
hollering about as we kind of like love how stupid

1854
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:16,479
and dumb it is.

1855
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: This is just it just it was just a really

1856
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:19,680
disheartening listen.

1857
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, this record is just it's a bit sad, and

1858
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,479
it's a record where for how bland and openly formulaic

1859
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,279
it is. I've saw an interview with Robie was breaking

1860
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:32,560
down each of their records, and something you're saying about

1861
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,960
this record is he had certain rules about the songs.

1862
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Can only be this long and has to have two choruses.

1863
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:39,119
It was.

1864
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 4: It was all the stuff where structurally he insists on

1865
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,359
each song being basically identical. And just what I'm not

1866
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:46,600
saying that there's no benefit to putting rules on your

1867
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,000
art and like doing stuff like that to test yourself

1868
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:51,680
and try and write different songs. But why you would

1869
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,479
do that when you're Rob Flinn and you've written such

1870
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,079
brilliant songs which don't adhere to any sort of formula

1871
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,359
and really do and I've written, like you say, on

1872
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,319
things like Catharsis and Supercharger, which records I don't like,

1873
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:07,439
at least interesting songs because they don't adhere to a

1874
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,680
formula what's expected a Machine Head. I was surprised a

1875
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,560
record was coming out this quickly at all, because it's

1876
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,199
not even been three years since the last one in

1877
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:17,560
the Machine Head of you know, for the last you know,

1878
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,279
two decades it's been more like three to four years

1879
01:28:20,319 --> 01:28:24,159
between records. Part of that gave me hope. I thought,

1880
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:25,720
or maybe he's really fired up and he's written this

1881
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,560
bunch of songs and he's just itching to release it again.

1882
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,560
I'm not, as I'm saying, he and not machine Head anymore.

1883
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,600
That just seems like it's gone, and then the records

1884
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,319
to come out and it to be so formulaic and

1885
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:42,399
sound so tired and so unimaginative. It's the first time

1886
01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:43,840
I've listened to a machine Head record. I don't know

1887
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:44,840
if it is the worst one, but it's the first

1888
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,600
time I've listened to one, and I thought, I really

1889
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:51,760
don't know why this exists. There's not much urgency or

1890
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,840
passion or fire in it for better or for worse,

1891
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,600
which which has always been the case in the past,

1892
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,439
even the worst machine Head records. He sounds interesting in

1893
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:03,000
what he's doing. This time, it's like I don't notice

1894
01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:06,560
it going. Is there anybody out there? Times twelve? How

1895
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,319
many songs on this record? I don't ever remember. I'm

1896
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:14,039
kind of baffled by how plain the whole thing is.

1897
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it starts passable. Maybe Atomic Revelations is probably

1898
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,359
one of the best songs on the record. I think

1899
01:29:21,359 --> 01:29:23,880
it's it's kind of undercut by the strange effect that

1900
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,560
Rob's harsher voice has on this album, which we'll get into,

1901
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,520
but it's okay. And then the chorus. I don't know

1902
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,159
why they've started. I don't know if it's the fact

1903
01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:34,000
that it's you know, Jared as the other kind of

1904
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,079
somewhat consistent member in Machine Head these days, and here's

1905
01:29:37,119 --> 01:29:39,520
kind of rolling doing the backing vocals and stuff. I

1906
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,359
don't know if that's a factor, but they've started to

1907
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,600
lean more and more on like the really dour melodic chorus.

1908
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,000
And it was stuff like my hands are Empty on

1909
01:29:47,039 --> 01:29:49,399
the last album, which I didn't mind, but I never

1910
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,279
fully loved that. And it's kind of jarring when this

1911
01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:55,319
has this bluster of momentum and then it's almost like

1912
01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:57,880
that leave me the fuck alone while she sleeps thing

1913
01:29:58,079 --> 01:30:00,479
right like, and it's yeah, it's not that, but it's

1914
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:01,159
a little.

1915
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Straight every chorus.

1916
01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:04,119
Speaker 3: It feels that that happens every time, where it feels like,

1917
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:05,399
you know, we should be building this kind of.

1918
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Like like mis Courus.

1919
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 3: When you think about like the best Reviles, they are

1920
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,720
like chest beating, like anthemic, and every single time it

1921
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,199
becus you're about to get that, it just kind of

1922
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:17,119
drops into this weird, like kind of almost monotone, droning

1923
01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:19,359
chorus that just SAPs the energy out of these songs.

1924
01:30:19,359 --> 01:30:21,760
And again, I don't know if it is at the

1925
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,439
backpak thing, if it's a production choice, if it's Rob

1926
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,520
just can't muster that level of power.

1927
01:30:26,359 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 2: Now, and maybe maybe you can't.

1928
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 3: Who I'd sort of judge him for that, But every

1929
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,359
chorus on this album falls completely flat for me.

1930
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Rob vocally a little bit, I guess,

1931
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,880
because I find it genuinely hard to put my finger

1932
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,239
on what's happened here because we've all liked Rob Flinn's

1933
01:30:41,279 --> 01:30:45,399
voice for many albums, right, and he's not majorly shifted

1934
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,680
up what he does, So why is suddenly the most

1935
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,920
common complaint that people have time and time again that

1936
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:54,840
his vocal tramples over everything? And like it's it's my

1937
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,159
major problem with particularly the title track, the way he

1938
01:30:57,199 --> 01:31:00,840
comes in with that unbound unbreaker, but it's like eating

1939
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,119
a sour grape. It's that weird. The gruffer register that

1940
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:07,159
he works in has somehow slipped over into this slightly

1941
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:10,000
more grating side. And I don't know if it's a

1942
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,359
thing that he's doing on purpose or just his voice

1943
01:31:12,359 --> 01:31:14,399
is a bit shot. I don't know, but it's like,

1944
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,279
rather than really riding the kind of force of the music,

1945
01:31:17,279 --> 01:31:19,720
he kind of overrides it these days. And he sounds

1946
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,760
really bad on that hook in particular. He sounds kind

1947
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,640
of slobbery and obnoxious.

1948
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 4: Imparts this record where there's moments where like you say

1949
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,239
something that sort of beat your chest, like red blooded power,

1950
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:33,119
where it's meant to go over the top, where it's

1951
01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:35,119
meant to sound like a berserk or something, he just

1952
01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:37,479
sounds he kind of lose control, He loses control of

1953
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,359
his mouth. It sounds like when he's screaming like that,

1954
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,840
and it doesn't end up sounding frantic or exciting for

1955
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,680
those reasons. It sounds kind of punch drunk in those

1956
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:52,560
moments where it's meant to sound triumphant. And it means

1957
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:56,560
that when he's not doing the dour, quite toned, back down,

1958
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,199
pared back thing, which just isn't that exciting on a

1959
01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:03,039
machine heead song. When he's not doing that, he's kind

1960
01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:06,520
of it feels harsh to say, almost like embarrassing himself

1961
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,960
by over exerting in a slightly unnatural, uncomfortable way.

1962
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,520
Speaker 3: I can't quite put my finger on what it is

1963
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,439
that isn't working on this album because there's so many

1964
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:18,960
possible outcomes. Is because I think I don't think you

1965
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,880
can put it onto just one problem. I don't think

1966
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,600
if it is the melody hooks aren't like they're just

1967
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:30,199
a bit lumping and wildy, the production rob just it's

1968
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:31,840
a whole convert of things that just all seems to

1969
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,720
come together time and time again to just completely like

1970
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,840
shoot these songs in the foot whenever they feel like

1971
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,800
they should sort of take flight.

1972
01:32:39,319 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys won't define us. I guess the version

1973
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,479
here is not quite the same as the Weird Tour

1974
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,079
edition where I remember we spoke about that was a

1975
01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:48,000
bit too distracted by like here's everybody then really judging

1976
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:50,039
the song. But I think like the first song is

1977
01:32:50,039 --> 01:32:54,239
a pretty decent thrashier song. But again, some of those

1978
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,079
problems kind of quell it a bit. I think the

1979
01:32:56,079 --> 01:32:59,119
metal on this record largely sounds fine, like I'm never

1980
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:01,479
quite fully allowed to enjoy a track to the fullest

1981
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,880
for the reasons we're saying. But in terms of the

1982
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,800
you know, recording and everything, and it's done by the

1983
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,439
same engineer they always have. I think it sounds fairly solid.

1984
01:33:09,039 --> 01:33:11,359
The drums are a bit clinical. Maybe I still don't

1985
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:13,800
really know why they've got the guy from Eastern Front

1986
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,119
End Devilment when it's like your your machine Head, right,

1987
01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:17,920
you just have Dave McClain, like you could surely get

1988
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,239
like any number of drummer in the world. And it

1989
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,199
sounds a bit stiff. But anyway, generally I will find

1990
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:26,039
myself passively nodding along to a riff like Outsider or something.

1991
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:27,399
So that's why I don't want to say the record

1992
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,680
is like completely you know, devoid of any merit at all,

1993
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,680
but hook wise to really sell that, they've gotten quite

1994
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:39,560
weak either generally unmemorable, a bit you know, sort of flimsy,

1995
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,880
like we're saying again Outsider to use that same song

1996
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,720
or have actively kind of shat upon it with some

1997
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:49,720
of the other ones. The woes they've they've not been

1998
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:54,000
adverse to a woe in the past, necessarily, but every year,

1999
01:33:54,039 --> 01:33:56,960
since there's anyone out there, we have somehow crept closer

2000
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,640
and closer to the worst kind of woes in Machine

2001
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,319
Head which the millennial woe right, and that generally, as

2002
01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:07,079
we know it generally kills a metal song stone dead.

2003
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,600
Why in twenty twenty five have we got machine Head

2004
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,520
songs with choruses built around millennial woes?

2005
01:34:14,359 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 3: That's why I think I really hate Outsider, Like I

2006
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:22,079
think Outsiders Almo is so overproduced and it just again

2007
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:24,960
like they should be building something and it feels like

2008
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,680
it should roar and come to life. And then that

2009
01:34:28,039 --> 01:34:33,439
woe happens, and I was like, oh, I just completely

2010
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,520
deflated any hope I had for this record.

2011
01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:37,520
Speaker 1: It's not the worst one of the record, by.

2012
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean it is, but it's the first one

2013
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,039
that happens on the record.

2014
01:34:40,079 --> 01:34:42,119
Speaker 3: And that was that was the turning point for this

2015
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:46,119
album where I I I don't yeah, I gave up

2016
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:48,640
on the album at that point and I was like, oh,

2017
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,680
this is this where we're at now? And again we

2018
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,920
mentioned earlier, you know, Rob Hamilton Fish. I don't know

2019
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:54,560
how much input Jorda Fish has having this album.

2020
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:55,199
Speaker 2: I don't really know.

2021
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,399
Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to blame Jordan Fish for everything

2022
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,399
right now. I don't know how much blame you should

2023
01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:01,279
take for this album. These are songs like I can

2024
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:02,840
almost feel like I can feel like Fish might have,

2025
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,279
you know, had a little bit of a nudge here

2026
01:35:05,359 --> 01:35:06,640
or there and that sort of thing, and it just

2027
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:09,479
it is just the worst for like, of all the

2028
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,239
bands to do. You're right, the millennial imagine Dragon's woe

2029
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,319
Machine had worked, are like right down the bottom of

2030
01:35:16,319 --> 01:35:18,439
that list of bands who'd even be thinking about doing that,

2031
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,640
And it is just the most like ugly fitting thing

2032
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:22,560
for them to ever do.

2033
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:27,079
Speaker 4: I think using a woe in a song isn't intrinsically

2034
01:35:27,079 --> 01:35:30,119
a bad idea. I love a good time, oh when

2035
01:35:30,119 --> 01:35:34,399
it's done well. It's great when it feels like a cheat,

2036
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,039
or when it doesn't suit a song, because when it

2037
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:39,600
feels like it's trying to force an anthemic moment that

2038
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:44,439
isn't necessarily there, and something like Bone Scraper, that melody

2039
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:49,159
is totally fine. It's not great, it's not bad. But

2040
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:50,840
in the way that a song like Fear of the

2041
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,399
Dark and It's Shootio Woodin doesn't need woes and I

2042
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,119
was to make people want to sing that melody when

2043
01:35:57,119 --> 01:36:00,159
they go see Iron Maiden. This doesn't have that. The

2044
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,399
melodies are not that strong performance isn't that's invigorating, so

2045
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:07,159
they almost have to artificially build the moments go this

2046
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:08,880
is when you do the woe, this is when we

2047
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,479
all put our hands in the air, which maybe when

2048
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,039
you go see it live it makes a lot of sense.

2049
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,359
Sitting at home listening to this record, it just comes

2050
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:19,800
across as a bit desperate.

2051
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and combined with the really bizarre touch which is

2052
01:36:23,039 --> 01:36:25,680
the electronics, because that really took me off guard because

2053
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,600
that you don't associate machine Head with electronic percussion or

2054
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,800
anything like that. And I was listening to the record,

2055
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,439
I was like, why the fuck do these things sound

2056
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,840
so like cheap and out of place? As an interlude

2057
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:39,439
dust Maker, which to me immediately it sounded like the

2058
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,640
slightly dub influenced interludes that are on Bringing the Horizon's Ammo,

2059
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,760
which I really like on that album. But I was bemused,

2060
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,640
thinking like, what the hell is that supposed to add

2061
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,000
into the track list of like an obnoxious, groovy machine

2062
01:36:50,039 --> 01:36:52,039
Head album, Like it's really out of place. And then

2063
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,119
I saw the headline about Jordan Fish. I went for

2064
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:57,159
fox sake, and apparently he's been involved for you know,

2065
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:59,880
doing subtle things for multiple albums, so I can imagine, right,

2066
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:02,800
can imagine listening to I Know Now We Die on

2067
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,840
Blostone Diamonds or something and thinking, yeah, he's maybe a

2068
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,840
bit involved with doing the strings or something. They're sure,

2069
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,439
but if this is the one where he's been invited

2070
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,039
to be a more kind of integral presence, You've got

2071
01:37:13,079 --> 01:37:16,159
like the little trap flutters and kind of fake edm

2072
01:37:16,279 --> 01:37:19,319
strings in Not Long for This World? And then the

2073
01:37:19,359 --> 01:37:20,760
parts of the record where it goes from a bit

2074
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:25,239
drab to genuinely awful? Are we in agreement that songs

2075
01:37:25,279 --> 01:37:27,079
like to me? The two that really stand out are

2076
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,840
Bone Scraper and Bleeding Me Dry are among the worst

2077
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:32,359
machine Head songs they've ever done.

2078
01:37:33,079 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 3: Bleeding Me Dry is agonizing, beginning with the most generic

2079
01:37:37,079 --> 01:37:38,479
simps I think you'll ever hear?

2080
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Oh that that riff could be quite good, but then

2081
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,159
it's mumble rap rob Flinn over a trap beat, and

2082
01:37:44,199 --> 01:37:46,479
I'm like, what is going on here? What are we

2083
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:52,079
fucking doing? Like? I A awful?

2084
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,119
Speaker 3: One of my problems of this album is it feels

2085
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:56,720
quite unambitious a lot of points, and the moment they

2086
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:01,199
try something different are like again I said about that

2087
01:38:01,319 --> 01:38:04,680
you know is having these weird swings that like maybe

2088
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,720
it did work, but were memorable bleeding me drive fills

2089
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,199
almost this AM's kind of take at that, but it's

2090
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:12,279
one that's not gonna stick with me because it's so

2091
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,800
like paper thin in its actual kind of like sound,

2092
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,960
ideas and execution that like I had to just reminded

2093
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,640
of my notes, which one was blieving me dry Oh,

2094
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,279
it's that fucking song like and it is just like can't.

2095
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,800
It's one of the most misguided songs you that I've

2096
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:30,199
ever done.

2097
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 4: It's the only song on this record that I think

2098
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,880
I'll remember which one it is in three months time,

2099
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,439
and it's because it's terrible, like some nothing you said

2100
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,319
earlier about you've been too harsh on Bloodstone and Diamonds,

2101
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,199
I've been too harsh on Catharsis, which is a bad record.

2102
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:49,079
Speaker 1: Give me triple Beam over this any day.

2103
01:38:49,159 --> 01:38:53,039
Speaker 4: That you took the words right out my mouth, Triple Beam.

2104
01:38:53,359 --> 01:39:01,119
It is Davidian basically without exaggeration. I appreciate that Rob

2105
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:01,880
loves hip hop.

2106
01:39:02,039 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: I believe him.

2107
01:39:03,039 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 4: He doesn't need to keep proving it with low grade

2108
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,520
wraps and then when it comes in with the when

2109
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,199
it goes into the metal bit, I don't know if

2110
01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:14,359
it's trying to overcompensate. But that thing I was saying

2111
01:39:14,359 --> 01:39:15,880
about him occasionally sound like.

2112
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: A slobbering mess.

2113
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 4: That's the worst example of it. So not only is

2114
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,000
they're one of the few experiments on this record and

2115
01:39:24,039 --> 01:39:27,920
it's bad, but to try and write the ship it

2116
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,439
does the worst aspects of the rest.

2117
01:39:30,199 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Of the record.

2118
01:39:32,079 --> 01:39:34,279
Speaker 4: If you're doing like the worst machine he had songs, ever,

2119
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:36,439
this is like first draft pick.

2120
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:40,319
Speaker 1: It's shocking. Yeah, And I don't want to put a

2121
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:42,760
hard limit on a band's creativity, but I think we

2122
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,159
can probably say machine Head do not benefit from electro

2123
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:50,239
trap beats. Too unreasonable to say, and then I can

2124
01:39:50,359 --> 01:39:52,039
go back to Bone Scraper, which I do think is

2125
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:54,239
really bad. That was the point of the record where

2126
01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:57,199
I kind of just went, oh, fuck sake, because when

2127
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:00,319
machine Head hit a melody, I want it to lift

2128
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:03,520
me into the heavens, right like Halo and Locust and

2129
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,319
Now we Die. They make me genuinely feel and they

2130
01:40:06,319 --> 01:40:08,680
were doing that, you know, as recently as I unhallowed

2131
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,640
on the last one in kind of small moments. Not

2132
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,399
this just like trite hockey stadium bollocks. And again that's

2133
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,159
kind of all the ingenuity there really is on the

2134
01:40:18,199 --> 01:40:22,560
record going like his bleeding me dry. So I think

2135
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,000
maybe with this one I am doing to a degree

2136
01:40:27,399 --> 01:40:31,119
what I accuse Catharsis's harshest critics of doing a little bit,

2137
01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:33,560
which is that my lasting takeaway of this album is

2138
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,079
being formed by the stuff I hate the most of it.

2139
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:40,279
The record's not all that bad, and I was almost

2140
01:40:40,279 --> 01:40:41,680
surprised when I put it on for a second go

2141
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,079
and I was like, oh, yeah, that song is not

2142
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,800
totally terrible, because I was thinking about fucking bone scraper

2143
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,640
or whatever. But it's that at its very best moments,

2144
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,840
it caps out about a six out of ten and

2145
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,840
then it just drops off into the abyss. And I

2146
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,560
don't want to rag on Rob Flyn because I think

2147
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,840
Rob Flinn is cool, right, Like he maybe doesn't sound

2148
01:41:00,199 --> 01:41:02,000
on this record, and he hasn't in a while, but

2149
01:41:02,039 --> 01:41:05,039
as a figure in our world, like we said, he's

2150
01:41:05,079 --> 01:41:07,159
been making records since the eighties. He's made so many

2151
01:41:07,159 --> 01:41:08,840
records that we love, and I think he still comes

2152
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:10,560
off like I love watching interviews with him because I

2153
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,920
think he still comes off as a passionate, down to

2154
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,000
worth sort of guy. And I will happily listen to

2155
01:41:15,079 --> 01:41:17,239
him spout off about the stuff he loves. I think

2156
01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:19,039
he's a real one and he will always be a

2157
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:21,800
metal like on for that reason. And I think it's

2158
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,079
taking machine Head a much larger time than usual for

2159
01:41:24,119 --> 01:41:25,920
a metal band to kind of lose the plot of it.

2160
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:28,119
So I'm not, you know, rubbing my hands together taking

2161
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:30,319
glee in tearing him down the way I think a

2162
01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:32,720
lot of people out there have in the last several years.

2163
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,479
But creatively it's sad on this one for sure.

2164
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the thing we said earlier about them

2165
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,359
being as far in their career at this point as

2166
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:47,000
Slayer and Repentiless, Mega Enough and Dystopia Metallicron Hardwired. Part

2167
01:41:47,039 --> 01:41:49,079
of me wants to give machine Head some slack for that,

2168
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:52,119
and I think I will, like I shouldn't go to

2169
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:53,880
their records, and as I haven't for a while, but

2170
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,680
I shouldn't go to their records expecting things to sun

2171
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:00,680
and maybe what Masters on Goodjira and Whu younger bands

2172
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:01,520
are doing at the moment.

2173
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,359
Speaker 1: Blood Incantation bands like that the invention, the.

2174
01:42:04,319 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 4: Brilliance that might come from a machine anymore in the

2175
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,159
same way that we don't expect it and we didn't

2176
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:08,760
expect it from.

2177
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,039
Speaker 1: Those thrash bands at that time.

2178
01:42:11,079 --> 01:42:14,359
Speaker 4: I just wish I liked this record as much as

2179
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:17,760
I liked any of those, Like if if Machine had

2180
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,399
put out an album as good as Hardwired in a

2181
01:42:20,399 --> 01:42:22,720
couple of years time, I'll be clicking my heels.

2182
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:27,239
Speaker 1: But we haven't got it yet. Yeah, next, the spicy

2183
01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:29,720
stuff still coming fast because we had another huge metal

2184
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,960
record from Behemoth. I am, of course referring to the

2185
01:42:33,079 --> 01:42:36,600
Shit of God in the words of Patrick Stump, Are

2186
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,119
you smelling that shit right? Let's do the top line

2187
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:41,720
really quickly. The week this album was announced and they

2188
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,760
released the title track as the first single, I had

2189
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,680
a big moan on Hyperblasts, hoping to basically cover it

2190
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:48,239
there and then not have to spend too much time

2191
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:50,960
on it again. How NRGYL becoming this kind of edge

2192
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:55,119
Lord celebrity has with every subsequent album, taken up more

2193
01:42:55,159 --> 01:42:58,319
and more of how people actually critique and engage with

2194
01:42:58,399 --> 01:43:02,600
Behemoth albums. And then after that, having already maybe in

2195
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,119
the past released some kind of critical mass, coming out

2196
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,359
with one called The Shit of God. That was just

2197
01:43:07,399 --> 01:43:09,560
it right, you know, it wrote itself. There's a whole

2198
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,920
faction of metal. Fountay just won't even entertain the idea

2199
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,760
of this record because it'snurgle calling an album the Shit

2200
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,399
of God? Does a silly title an album make.

2201
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:24,359
Speaker 4: No like this. This isn't completely new territory for Behemuth.

2202
01:43:24,399 --> 01:43:26,359
I remember when it was announced that the first single

2203
01:43:26,359 --> 01:43:27,840
off I Loved You at Your Darkest was going to

2204
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,399
be called God Equals Dog and that was follow up

2205
01:43:30,399 --> 01:43:33,920
the Satins. I remember the time going oh, okay, and

2206
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,359
then the song came out and it was fucking amazing.

2207
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:39,079
And then the record came out and it was utterly brilliant.

2208
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:43,279
And I don't even think twice about that song being

2209
01:43:43,319 --> 01:43:45,279
called God Equals Dog now in And I knew that

2210
01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:47,119
when this record was announced and I looked at its

2211
01:43:47,159 --> 01:43:50,800
more laughful attributes with the title that mental track list,

2212
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,520
it was funny and I absolutely joined in on the

2213
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,399
fun of poking at it. But I also knew at

2214
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,199
the time that if the record came out and it

2215
01:43:59,239 --> 01:44:02,279
shut me up, I would completely forget about all of

2216
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:03,000
those things.

2217
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I find here so frustrating because they're about they

2218
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,039
don't need to do the Shit of God. They're like,

2219
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:12,800
I have some you know what this says they have

2220
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:17,960
such like an incredible like head for like striking artistic

2221
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:22,079
statements that aren't edge Lord nonsense. And again I keep

2222
01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:24,760
forgetting that God was that God was. Dog is called

2223
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,039
that because it's a great song. But I do look

2224
01:44:27,079 --> 01:44:30,159
at the Pepe people of God and go like, come on,

2225
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,520
I can't I really struggle to look past now called

2226
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:38,279
the shit of God. It is eye rolling and cringe

2227
01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:40,479
And I'm like, if I at the end of the

2228
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,439
en talking about like sight spoiler, probably not gonna be

2229
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:44,600
my top to him. But if I was gonna sing

2230
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:46,399
in my topen albums of the year, the Ship of

2231
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:47,640
God is there, I'd be a bit like.

2232
01:44:49,319 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 2: It just it hurts to say, but.

2233
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:56,199
Speaker 3: It is frustrating because again, the art the album is

2234
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:57,840
the music that should be what we're talking about, not

2235
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:59,840
the not the song titles, not the edge Lord ship,

2236
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:03,199
but it is. It becomes so hard that it happens

2237
01:45:03,239 --> 01:45:04,359
every fucking album.

2238
01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:06,279
Speaker 2: Now that there is something.

2239
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,119
Speaker 3: Like this, we have to kind of like and in

2240
01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:10,960
a way this is maybe one of the less controversial ones.

2241
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:14,520
Speaker 2: It's just maybe one of the more embarrassingly.

2242
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,359
Speaker 3: Cringe ones that we've had to kind of like discuss

2243
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:17,800
about with a Behemoth album.

2244
01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:21,399
Speaker 1: I think I was more exasperated in terms of knowing

2245
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,920
how people would knee jerk react to it then by

2246
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,840
the title itself, because, as I said on that previous episode,

2247
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:32,960
I love Dayacide, I love Sarkophago, I love Profanataka, I

2248
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,880
love some of the stupidest, boneheadedest, base level fuck you

2249
01:45:37,079 --> 01:45:40,520
extreme metal provocation that in many such cases with some

2250
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,720
of those bands, people would make out that it's cool, right,

2251
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,199
like people love Sarkofago, it's coming from Behemoth and that.

2252
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,199
So you know, in many such cases, someone in Urgle

2253
01:45:49,239 --> 01:45:51,560
they've already made their minds up on and his edgelaor

2254
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,680
tendencies that it rubs people the wrong way. He has

2255
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,119
elaborated a bit in interviews one with me. I don't

2256
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:58,720
think he's doing many interviews this time around, but I

2257
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,720
did talk to Nogel about this a few weeks of back.

2258
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,039
There's quite an amusing, silly piece of branding with it,

2259
01:46:04,079 --> 01:46:05,920
where there is the symbol that is known as the

2260
01:46:06,359 --> 01:46:09,800
christagram or the christagram, which spells our ihs with the

2261
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,880
kind of cross in the middle, which comes from a

2262
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:15,000
Greek translation of Jesus. Nrgel noticed that if you turn

2263
01:46:15,039 --> 01:46:17,399
that symbol upside down because of the cross going through

2264
01:46:17,399 --> 01:46:20,880
making the tea, it spells shit. So it's a very simple,

2265
01:46:21,399 --> 01:46:24,479
very on brand defiling of a religious symbol because it's

2266
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:27,199
black mail, right. And he also spoke about wanting to

2267
01:46:27,239 --> 01:46:30,119
get away from some of the intellectualism on this one.

2268
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,680
I think because Bahemuth have had their worthy titles, right,

2269
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,439
like I Loved You at Your Darkest on Opu's Contra Nataran.

2270
01:46:36,319 --> 01:46:39,079
I like those titles like I can remember them even if,

2271
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:41,279
like you know, I Loved You your Darkest. People seem

2272
01:46:41,279 --> 01:46:42,520
to dick on that title a little bit, I guess

2273
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:44,159
because it has love in it, But I always loved it.

2274
01:46:44,199 --> 01:46:46,319
I think always sounds like a cool like Gothy Leonard

2275
01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:49,319
Cohen title or something. It has a bit more character

2276
01:46:49,359 --> 01:46:51,319
to it with this one, He's gone, Okay, you don't

2277
01:46:51,319 --> 01:46:53,920
want Latin, fine, I'm gonna rub your face in the shit.

2278
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:59,119
Is it base confrontation? Is it crude? Yes? Is it

2279
01:46:59,159 --> 01:47:02,359
self awarely so? I think yes. Is that a legitimate

2280
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:05,039
artistic choice that might inform the rest of the album.

2281
01:47:05,039 --> 01:47:07,239
I think it can be. We're all Behemoth fans to

2282
01:47:07,279 --> 01:47:09,640
one degree or another. It does feel again like quite

2283
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,800
a long time ago that everyone was united on Behemoth

2284
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,039
being like one of the greats. But it is only

2285
01:47:14,119 --> 01:47:16,199
just over a decade ago that they put out one

2286
01:47:16,199 --> 01:47:18,640
of the best albums of all time in The Satanist,

2287
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:21,479
and I don't think the wheels come off that dramatically. Elliott,

2288
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,520
what's your quick estimation of Behemoths output in the years

2289
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:25,399
after The Satanist?

2290
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:29,560
Speaker 4: I absolutely loved I Loved You with the Darkest, not

2291
01:47:30,039 --> 01:47:31,800
the same standards I love The Satanist, but it was

2292
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:32,800
one of my favorite albums of the year.

2293
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,279
Speaker 1: It came out opus.

2294
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 4: Contrastum like a lot of albums of the twenty twenties, initially,

2295
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:41,000
it kind of came in whence I listened to it

2296
01:47:41,039 --> 01:47:42,319
for a few weeks when it came out, didn't go

2297
01:47:42,359 --> 01:47:44,560
back to a ton after that. Saw them at download

2298
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,119
and they played some of the best songs off it,

2299
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:51,600
and the power of those songs, even in unideal circumstances

2300
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,760
of like thirty degree heats in the middle of the

2301
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,760
of a sunny day. I'd kind of underestimated how great

2302
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:00,800
those songs were, mainly because the production was slightly odd

2303
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:04,359
on that record. But I've gone back to that record.

2304
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:07,319
I think it's very good kind of it's been going

2305
01:48:07,359 --> 01:48:11,039
downhill since The Satanist, but nothing that would cause me

2306
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:12,239
to consider getting off the train.

2307
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm a total fan. Like I certainly recognize innergule,

2308
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,039
the tendencies to do this, that or the other. But

2309
01:48:19,319 --> 01:48:21,760
in ten years, you know, ten years ago, I would

2310
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:24,960
have called him one of the single like coolest. I

2311
01:48:25,039 --> 01:48:27,560
have belief in everything you are saying and doing musicians

2312
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,399
in the world in the way that you know today

2313
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,960
when he's selling christ Is Cringe T shirts or whatever, Like,

2314
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,520
I wouldn't necessarily say that, but I think through it all,

2315
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,479
Behemoth have remained a fucking great, nearly peerless band. I

2316
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,640
love Do It Your Darkest. I think that record is

2317
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,800
like total classic Behemoth. Like, if you're someone out there

2318
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:44,479
who doesn't like that record, I just I just don't

2319
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:46,159
get it, Like that is what I wanted. In the

2320
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:49,239
follow up to The Satanist, Oprahs, Contra Nataram felt a

2321
01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:51,159
little more contained, but it's still a bunch of bangers

2322
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:53,800
and a cool pepperin of experimentation as well. The Shit

2323
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,520
of God. The first thing you will notice about it

2324
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:57,159
if you actually bother to listen to it this is

2325
01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:59,600
an album with no time for fucking around, Like this

2326
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:04,199
album is concise and it is almost entirely unrelenting. Did

2327
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:08,520
that surprise you, given their post Satanist predilection for grandiosity?

2328
01:49:09,039 --> 01:49:11,560
Speaker 4: It would have if Behemoth haven't been taught a nergle

2329
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,880
specificly hasn't been talking about making this record for a

2330
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,560
little while. I can't if it was before I Loved

2331
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,319
You with Your Darkest or Opus contradastran, but in fact

2332
01:49:18,359 --> 01:49:20,119
it might have been like twenty seventeen. He was talking

2333
01:49:20,119 --> 01:49:22,560
about doing a Rain and Blood style record, which would

2334
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:26,640
be seven to nine songs like you say, no fucking around,

2335
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:30,079
no interludes, go for the throw, And initially I look

2336
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:32,319
it looked like what it might be. What the followed

2337
01:49:32,319 --> 01:49:34,520
to the Satanist was almost like what Wattaan did and

2338
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:36,239
ended up not being what we got.

2339
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 1: But I always wanted that.

2340
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:41,159
Speaker 4: Record to come along, because as much as I love

2341
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:46,560
Behemoth being sprawling and experiments with things and soundscapes and

2342
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,960
all of that, I just love when they go by

2343
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:53,439
Bruce Lee heavy and a whole record of that was enticing.

2344
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,279
I'd kind of forgotten that they were going to do

2345
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:58,439
that and or even thought about doing it. So them

2346
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,640
doing it now, I suppose that that was a surprise.

2347
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the shortest Behemoth album since nineteen ninety nine,

2348
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:06,920
and I remember thinking that Oprah contriinataam I guess because

2349
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:08,119
it came off the back of I Loved You Your

2350
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:11,279
Darkest and The Satan This, which both represented those kind

2351
01:50:11,279 --> 01:50:13,800
of peaks of bombast for Behemoth. That in comparison was

2352
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,319
a pretty like, you know, straightforward record, but you know

2353
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,920
it's tight. Its songs are often to the point, but

2354
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,199
in hindsight it does have more of a mix of

2355
01:50:21,239 --> 01:50:23,159
songs right even before you know that the closing track

2356
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:24,640
on that record, which is one of the most out

2357
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:27,439
there things they've ever done, there's kind of like groovy

2358
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,319
hard rock Behemoth songs on it, like Once Upon a

2359
01:50:29,319 --> 01:50:31,279
Pale Horse. There's big kind of choral songs like the

2360
01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:35,720
Deathless Sun. I think Versus Christus and maybe more specifically

2361
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,399
playing Versus Christis Live was a bit of a straw

2362
01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:40,520
that broke the camel's back for Nrgel, at least for

2363
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,159
the immediate follow up of after doing that, going okay,

2364
01:50:43,399 --> 01:50:45,399
I can fuck that off. I just want to play

2365
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:47,880
some fucking metal and I want to rip the natural

2366
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,880
comparison point. You've really kind of brought it up. I

2367
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:51,800
had in that sense of trident War for clips Boat,

2368
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,640
which is just a thirty five minute go for the throat,

2369
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,000
fuck off all the extravagant shit that we can very

2370
01:50:57,039 --> 01:50:58,960
capably do. But we'll get back to it later. It's

2371
01:50:59,039 --> 01:51:01,680
kill time. I don't think this is necessarily as like

2372
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:04,720
Rabid Wolf rasor sharp as that record is, but this

2373
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,159
is as straightforward as Behemus have been. I think it

2374
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,239
ripped pretty hard.

2375
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, this felt kind of like behem

2376
01:51:13,039 --> 01:51:16,279
of going okay with you know, bricks and academy, like

2377
01:51:16,359 --> 01:51:18,840
download mainstage with a big band. Let's just make an

2378
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:24,199
album that is big, mean, kind of stompy anthemic metal,

2379
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:28,520
like cut the like shit for one of a better word,

2380
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,399
and and just go for again like kind of like

2381
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,079
more kind of traditional not verse chorus sort verset course,

2382
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:38,640
but you know, put more hooks in, put more kind

2383
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,960
of like fist pumping, like punch the air, just kind

2384
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,279
of festival kind of like anthems in there.

2385
01:51:45,279 --> 01:51:48,279
Speaker 2: Put more rifts that are just designed to get people jumping.

2386
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 3: And like, to me, that kind of limits this album

2387
01:51:52,039 --> 01:51:53,720
compared to the last couple of Human albums. For me,

2388
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:57,319
I think it's it's the most repetitive I think Human

2389
01:51:57,359 --> 01:51:57,840
album's been.

2390
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 2: But it does, you know, if you just want to,

2391
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:01,560
you know, switch.

2392
01:52:01,319 --> 01:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Off and listen to thirty seven to odd minutes of

2393
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:08,319
just like kind of hard hitting, like evil sounding, but

2394
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:11,840
still kind of grandiose metal does it does the job

2395
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:12,920
for what it sets out to do.

2396
01:52:14,039 --> 01:52:15,640
Speaker 4: See, I think that thing you're saying about it being

2397
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:20,000
straightforward and repeating ideas more than previous Behemoth records, I

2398
01:52:20,039 --> 01:52:22,119
think for some songs that's true. But I think one

2399
01:52:22,119 --> 01:52:24,439
of the things that's great about this record, and probably

2400
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:29,199
my favorite thing about it, is it doesn't it really

2401
01:52:29,239 --> 01:52:32,239
does let the thing off the reins in that when

2402
01:52:32,279 --> 01:52:35,560
this thing sounds wild, it sounds really wild. And that's

2403
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,359
another thing about Behemoth I don't think they get enough

2404
01:52:37,359 --> 01:52:39,479
credit for. But there are some songs on here where

2405
01:52:40,359 --> 01:52:45,840
it properly feels feral, and not saying that hasn't been

2406
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:48,359
a quality of the last few records, but that stateliness

2407
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:52,239
that certainly defined the Satanist and I Loved You Your Darkest,

2408
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:56,840
that sort of thing. It's hearing flashes, but it's kind

2409
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,000
of been shaken off and for thirty five minutes.

2410
01:53:00,039 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 1: It's I think.

2411
01:53:01,319 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 4: That's such a great change of pace those other records down.

2412
01:53:06,039 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 1: Sure. The other thing about the Shit of God's title

2413
01:53:09,359 --> 01:53:12,039
is I think Behemoth are very tune towards actually making

2414
01:53:12,119 --> 01:53:15,079
quite communal music. Right, it's supposed to be rallying. You'll

2415
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,479
notice how often he uses the word we in hooks, right,

2416
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,840
we are the shadow elite, we are the shit of God.

2417
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,520
And what Behemoth do is they turn that kind of

2418
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:27,239
blasphemous imagery into rallying heavy metal songs about standing side

2419
01:53:27,239 --> 01:53:29,319
by side with your your kinsman like man O war

2420
01:53:29,359 --> 01:53:32,039
would do. Right, the Shit of God. There's a thing

2421
01:53:32,079 --> 01:53:34,199
there about it being like the kind of underbelly, the

2422
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:37,279
thing that is ugly and tainted, but kind of owning

2423
01:53:37,319 --> 01:53:40,399
it and weaponizing it against the Holy then thou creator.

2424
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,399
It's in everything you are we are not kind of

2425
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,800
you know, told in very simple heavy metal turns thing.

2426
01:53:46,319 --> 01:53:49,079
And that's what makes this record good because obviously this

2427
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:53,880
is not the fastest, most bewilderingly terrifying black metal record ever.

2428
01:53:54,359 --> 01:53:57,239
It's not the Codex Necro, it's not Fallen angel A Doom,

2429
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,399
but it is as Behemouth are the kings of very

2430
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,880
anthemic and that kind of real heavy metal immediacy on

2431
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,800
top of these fast, furious riffs is what continues to

2432
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:11,199
give Behemoth their power. The Shadow Elite total banger like thundering,

2433
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,800
powerful stride, really excitable snare to begin with, but then

2434
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,680
just absolute death metal might. The production of this album

2435
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,079
is basically back to kind of the classic modern Behemoth

2436
01:54:21,159 --> 01:54:24,439
sound obrahs contrainaturam. Again. I Askednurgle about this because it's

2437
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,039
the thing I was really curious about with that last

2438
01:54:26,039 --> 01:54:29,479
album is they got Joe Baresei to mix it on

2439
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,560
that last one, and they were going for almost like

2440
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:34,039
we wanted to have something that didn't sound like a

2441
01:54:34,079 --> 01:54:36,119
conventional metal album and has this more sort of hard

2442
01:54:36,199 --> 01:54:39,239
rock Behemoth sound. I think it did sort of flatten

2443
01:54:39,319 --> 01:54:42,800
out the great music on that album. This record, i'd

2444
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,560
estimate is pretty close to that one in terms of

2445
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:46,520
quality of song, but they've obviously felt that for a

2446
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:48,760
fast paced record, it just needs some of that metallic

2447
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,720
attack back in, and there's an almost old school Behemoth

2448
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,960
vibe around at times. Like you're saying, Elliott, there's a

2449
01:54:54,359 --> 01:54:56,319
really like the bridge of the Shadow Elite when it

2450
01:54:56,319 --> 01:54:58,880
just goes to that really tight blast riff sounds like

2451
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,520
it'd be off Denner God or something like. It's real,

2452
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,560
like the refusal to slow down about it. It does

2453
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:06,479
with kind of the current tools of what modern day

2454
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:09,079
Behemoth is sort of harkened back to that kind of

2455
01:55:09,079 --> 01:55:11,960
bloodthirstiness a bit, and then you've got you know, Sewing

2456
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,439
Salt is even more ballistic. Luciferion just has that real,

2457
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,960
like pure traditionalist black metal riffing snaking all over it,

2458
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,079
which to me ignites a very particular fire, and it

2459
01:55:22,359 --> 01:55:26,000
just it has that. I think all the things you

2460
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,640
can say about Behemoth, I do think consistently they still

2461
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:30,880
manage to sound like they're hungry.

2462
01:55:31,239 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the album starts brilliantly with Shadowly

2463
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:37,680
and Sewing sort I think those two songs, like, for again,

2464
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:39,600
some of the poems I have with the album, those

2465
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:42,800
two songs are you know, like showcase of him being

2466
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:45,720
the masters of the kind of like blockbuster black metal,

2467
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:50,000
because it is that like certainly sounds evil and like

2468
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:54,159
blasphemous as all hell, but it is huge, it is grand,

2469
01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:58,039
It is catchy, but it goes fucking hard and like

2470
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,960
they weave in those sort of more passages and the

2471
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,439
moments of drama with you know, the chance and all

2472
01:56:03,479 --> 01:56:06,319
that with the kind of just more like ferocious going

2473
01:56:06,319 --> 01:56:10,159
for the froat moments, and it really hits saying about Norgel,

2474
01:56:10,199 --> 01:56:12,039
But when he gets it right, he's one of the

2475
01:56:12,079 --> 01:56:16,520
most charismatic and like engaging vocalists in sort of extreme music.

2476
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:17,960
I think, like when he gets it right, which he

2477
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,159
does on something like Sewing Salt, I do hang off

2478
01:56:21,159 --> 01:56:25,239
his words, so like I can like fully buy into

2479
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,680
that sort of side of behem if when it's delivered.

2480
01:56:28,399 --> 01:56:30,680
And there are moments again like LUs Fair on the

2481
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:34,239
the I Am God hook less cringe than the Shit

2482
01:56:34,319 --> 01:56:36,079
of God, so I'm like, I'll allow it, and again

2483
01:56:36,119 --> 01:56:37,039
I'll hang off his words.

2484
01:56:37,079 --> 01:56:41,479
Speaker 2: So there are like some really brilliant moments on this album.

2485
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 3: And again I don't think this sound ever goes completely wrong,

2486
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,039
even again the title track, which again once you get

2487
01:56:46,079 --> 01:56:49,319
past the title that's a fucking riff. That is a

2488
01:56:49,399 --> 01:56:52,399
fucking riff on that title track, And that's again moments

2489
01:56:52,399 --> 01:56:55,960
like that that I just you know, big metal moments

2490
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:58,279
that I want. They deliver them and make them sound

2491
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:00,399
really evil, and so I guess that is you know

2492
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:01,079
job done.

2493
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 2: For behem if on an album like this, Yeah.

2494
01:57:03,319 --> 01:57:05,399
Speaker 1: That that hook in Luciferroon you're talking about there's the

2495
01:57:05,439 --> 01:57:10,520
real the human force and crack Innrgul's rule that I

2496
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,000
always love. That gives it that real, tangible conviction and

2497
01:57:13,079 --> 01:57:15,319
it's even like a I guess you could say a

2498
01:57:15,319 --> 01:57:17,199
harsh vocal key change at the end of it with

2499
01:57:17,319 --> 01:57:18,159
that hook and it works.

2500
01:57:18,279 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2501
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like the kind of more I don't

2502
01:57:22,359 --> 01:57:23,479
eve necessarily want to say straightforward.

2503
01:57:23,479 --> 01:57:25,359
Speaker 4: I suppose they are straightforward. It's things like the Shadow

2504
01:57:25,359 --> 01:57:27,720
of the Ships of God. Those songs are good. I

2505
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:29,520
typically have found that I've gone back to them less

2506
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:32,560
and less and that the tear is for the eyes,

2507
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:34,119
for the h is for thing in the Ships of

2508
01:57:34,119 --> 01:57:38,159
God that has got to go George Lucas, that I

2509
01:57:38,319 --> 01:57:39,039
just it's just.

2510
01:57:39,159 --> 01:57:40,399
Speaker 1: Not a good idea.

2511
01:57:41,159 --> 01:57:44,279
Speaker 4: It's not it's not even like great in that bone

2512
01:57:44,279 --> 01:57:46,680
headed blasphemy blast me where I don't think it just

2513
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:51,279
it it's unforgivable but so insult. But you're kind of

2514
01:57:51,279 --> 01:57:52,920
in touching on the songs that really stood out to me,

2515
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,479
but so in Salt that's my favorite on the record,

2516
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:58,640
three minutes long, sounds completely fucking mad. I love when

2517
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:03,119
extreme metal bands can use clean vocals to sound terrifying,

2518
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:06,680
where it doesn't make the music any softer, it makes

2519
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:10,000
it sound more wild and more unhinged, to the point

2520
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,920
where it's probably not even accurate to call them cleans.

2521
01:58:12,039 --> 01:58:16,239
But they're just not fully fledged growls, if that makes sense. Yeah,

2522
01:58:16,279 --> 01:58:20,079
And it just the use of those sort of differentiate

2523
01:58:20,079 --> 01:58:22,159
in the track list. It's a thing where as much

2524
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:23,680
as other bands can do it, but Hee Muth have

2525
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,600
such a way of injecting that in songs at exactly

2526
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:31,479
the right moment to just make it sound even more

2527
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,239
sort of unbridled.

2528
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to drown the Sun in Wine is

2529
01:58:36,079 --> 01:58:38,039
one of my favorites on this because when he smashes

2530
01:58:38,079 --> 01:58:41,319
in or in that Captain, my Captain, it just cuts

2531
01:58:41,399 --> 01:58:43,239
straight to the part of my brain. It's like, yes,

2532
01:58:43,279 --> 01:58:47,479
go on. And I do think gravelly belt along vocal

2533
01:58:47,479 --> 01:58:49,920
hooks like that are what you're not gonna get on

2534
01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:53,199
most other black metal records, right, because you know they're

2535
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:56,720
not trying to compete with fucking Anti Crisis Machine or something, right,

2536
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,000
They are writing massive metal songs, that's what they do.

2537
01:59:00,079 --> 01:59:02,239
I think the title track which like, yes, the evil

2538
01:59:02,279 --> 01:59:05,760
cheerleader chance spelling bit is silly, but I regret to

2539
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:07,960
inform one of the biggest bangers of the year because

2540
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:13,640
the main groove is just const It's a fucking riff

2541
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:16,000
and you go, Okay, who else in extreme metal could

2542
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,399
write a song that feels like, you know, like evil

2543
01:59:18,399 --> 01:59:22,840
black death metal. But the obviously also commands a kind

2544
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:24,479
of festival stage like that. Like if they had that

2545
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,720
song when they were opening for Slipknot in Arenas a

2546
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,560
few years ago, it would be game over, you know,

2547
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:30,800
and a lot of people might not necessarily want that

2548
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:32,520
in their black metal. Okay, but that's the thing that

2549
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:36,239
has taken Behemoth to places no other extreme metal band

2550
01:59:36,279 --> 01:59:39,680
has reached before, Right like within the realms of the corpse,

2551
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:43,159
painted and blasphemous and Nurgle still largely gurgling every word.

2552
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,880
They're hit makers, like even going back to conquer All

2553
01:59:47,039 --> 01:59:50,199
or champ Escaton or whatever their banger merchants, and their

2554
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:53,079
skill at that has not been blunted. The choirs on

2555
01:59:53,079 --> 01:59:56,119
that main riff sound incredible. I think they stop it

2556
01:59:56,279 --> 01:59:58,279
just being kind of one note because it's carried by

2557
01:59:58,279 --> 02:00:01,880
that you know, Loocitherian kind of Behemoth bluster and the

2558
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,840
solo as well, that remains an area where Behemoth show

2559
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:08,520
a bit more classic metal showmanship than most as well,

2560
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,960
because that proper heavy metal guitar solo in a big

2561
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,880
stomping metal banger, that's what we need more of. And

2562
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:17,479
you do have the structuring of the record four tracks aside, right,

2563
02:00:18,359 --> 02:00:21,000
And I'm guessing from kind of what you're suggesting, Sam,

2564
02:00:21,079 --> 02:00:23,119
maybe it is because it's more sort of straightforward black

2565
02:00:23,159 --> 02:00:26,119
death metal. You maybe tail off in interest as it

2566
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:26,560
goes on.

2567
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,479
Speaker 3: So I do like to drown the son in wine

2568
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:31,520
I think is fucking great. That's the last song that

2569
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:34,600
I go like, that's great. Like I don't think any

2570
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:37,119
of the songs are particularly bad. My frustration with the

2571
02:00:37,159 --> 02:00:39,640
last few songs comes from the fucking abuse of v's

2572
02:00:40,199 --> 02:00:43,840
like and again call it petty, but o Venus Come

2573
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:47,640
and Auger the dread Vulture spelled as Ovinv's come and

2574
02:00:48,079 --> 02:00:50,640
the the Again, I'm consistent with.

2575
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:51,880
Speaker 2: The v's is a v A.

2576
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:54,359
Speaker 3: You are an f on this album, Like it's a

2577
02:00:54,399 --> 02:00:57,680
petty thing, but it's it did Like really, I was like,

2578
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,680
I come on, behem of so hard to defend some

2579
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:03,640
time with this silly bullshit, But I do think like

2580
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:07,479
like Ovin has Come is maybe that and Norman Barbarium

2581
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:12,199
or whatever it like, like Norman Barbarian, like like I

2582
02:01:12,199 --> 02:01:14,880
could take or leave them that they're pretty forgettable to me.

2583
02:01:15,159 --> 02:01:17,479
I mean, aug is a good closer, like it has

2584
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,439
a lot of the same positive and negatives on the album,

2585
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,199
but you know, it builds in a really.

2586
02:01:21,079 --> 02:01:21,840
Speaker 2: Nice dramatic way.

2587
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:24,279
Speaker 3: But I'd say up to to drown the sun in

2588
02:01:24,279 --> 02:01:26,199
the wine or the vant in wine as they want

2589
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:29,239
to put it, this album is pretty on it again,

2590
02:01:29,319 --> 02:01:32,199
even with cringe title track aside that oh Captain, My

2591
02:01:32,319 --> 02:01:36,479
Captain hook is fucking outstanding, and again the way Noble

2592
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,239
spits that line out it is rallying, and I'm like,

2593
02:01:39,359 --> 02:01:41,560
this is this, this is why I buy into that

2594
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,119
whole like black metal hit makers thing that you're saying,

2595
02:01:44,199 --> 02:01:46,359
because yeah, they fucking nail it on a song like that.

2596
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 2: And then he said that the second half of that song.

2597
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:51,159
Speaker 3: Opens a bit when you get those kind of like

2598
02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:54,720
weird other kind of like really frenzied screams going against

2599
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:56,640
Nobles or points, and it adds a kind of like

2600
02:01:57,159 --> 02:01:59,159
mania to it that does make the salt that that

2601
02:01:59,239 --> 02:02:02,039
kind of does kind of that blasphemous evil that being about,

2602
02:02:02,079 --> 02:02:03,800
so they're still getting that and the and the hits.

2603
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,039
Speaker 2: I just think it tells of a bit past that

2604
02:02:06,119 --> 02:02:06,760
I guess.

2605
02:02:07,079 --> 02:02:09,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, as someone who does not entirely judge a song

2606
02:02:09,239 --> 02:02:12,279
based on how many visa it has, I think this

2607
02:02:12,319 --> 02:02:14,840
record is tight and I do love I think every

2608
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:18,439
song basically hits Norman Barbarian again, a bit more shadowy

2609
02:02:18,479 --> 02:02:22,680
with the choirs maybe, but still an absolute like double

2610
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:26,359
bass fest and there's a really killer heavy metal guitar

2611
02:02:26,399 --> 02:02:28,399
lick in the chorus. They're kind of and you know

2612
02:02:28,439 --> 02:02:30,560
that just like finishes Nurgel's words for him. It's great.

2613
02:02:31,399 --> 02:02:33,319
The structure I think is interesting when you get to

2614
02:02:33,359 --> 02:02:35,520
the last two tracks, because the closest you come to

2615
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:39,800
a like more extravagant Behemoth track is Ovenus Come, which

2616
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:41,359
really goes to that, you know, that classic kind of

2617
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:44,960
Bathory March type feel with some acoustics laying as well.

2618
02:02:45,039 --> 02:02:47,000
It's maybe more akin to like a Ben Sahar really

2619
02:02:47,039 --> 02:02:48,359
then I know, father I say in No Sun, but

2620
02:02:48,359 --> 02:02:50,439
it's the closest you're getting to that sort of satanisty feel.

2621
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:53,600
But crucially it's not even the ending track on the record,

2622
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:57,039
because instead they model this after the like the Damage

2623
02:02:57,039 --> 02:02:59,920
Ink DIA's Eve structure and just go after the opera

2624
02:03:00,039 --> 02:03:03,239
Tick one absolute speed Monster and Uga the dread Vulture

2625
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:07,560
is so fucking sick. That song really has a taste

2626
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,680
of chance for Escaton to me as the kind of

2627
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:12,439
respective closes on the record, because I mean, evidently I

2628
02:03:12,479 --> 02:03:15,079
just love Behemoth songs about birds of prey being let fly, clearly,

2629
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:18,199
but it's that kind of beasts of war being let

2630
02:03:18,279 --> 02:03:20,720
loose a gallop right to the death of the song,

2631
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,479
a proper fucking extreme metals on. Yeah.

2632
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:25,840
Speaker 4: I mean I I do judge a song by how

2633
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:34,159
many visa on it, provided that they're flying vis hell yeah.

2634
02:03:34,479 --> 02:03:38,279
And when this record let's rip, which when it you know,

2635
02:03:38,399 --> 02:03:41,079
whether that's in the solos of a Venus Come, which

2636
02:03:41,279 --> 02:03:44,000
I felt I'm just repeating myself. Just sound crazy. They

2637
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:47,880
managed to make Shredding sound legitimately wild again, not in

2638
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:49,840
just to show off like a guitar clinic way.

2639
02:03:50,199 --> 02:03:53,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't know it was called or well I

2640
02:03:53,039 --> 02:03:55,520
thought it was called anger. I just lost track of what,

2641
02:03:56,279 --> 02:03:58,359
so I don't know what's going on the point stands

2642
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:00,720
choose your own adventure in it.

2643
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:05,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, it that that was one where initial I thought, oh,

2644
02:04:05,399 --> 02:04:07,760
really smashy heavy ones to close the record nice, And

2645
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:10,279
then going back to it, there's like a weird theoremon

2646
02:04:10,319 --> 02:04:12,399
noise that comes in where it's like, even in your

2647
02:04:12,479 --> 02:04:16,560
quote unquote straightforward ripper, yea, you can't help but throw

2648
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,920
some eccentricities in there. And that's what I think stops

2649
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:23,680
this record feeling like a like a Reed Tread or

2650
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:27,359
like Behemoth just doing something on autopilot. Not only are

2651
02:04:27,359 --> 02:04:31,439
they playing it with full ferocity and full intent, they're

2652
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:34,079
throwing in things that I don't think they would have

2653
02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:35,000
done twenty years ago.

2654
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sam, you mentioned in the vocals which this

2655
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,760
woman appears and starts houring, and I think grink grink

2656
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:46,239
a fucking Greek. Yeah, because it sounds like the bits

2657
02:04:46,279 --> 02:04:48,600
on the later period Rotten Christ albums when they include that,

2658
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:50,840
and it's because this thing has been on Rotten Christ albums,

2659
02:04:51,359 --> 02:04:55,119
but it has that very like heathenistic gurgle, the load

2660
02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:57,760
of milk before singing, just kind of maddened. Ah and

2661
02:04:58,039 --> 02:05:00,399
I love that as a feel. It's just so black metal.

2662
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,399
And I Thinknrgel again, like on that last song, he

2663
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,840
matches that kind of wabbling mania when he does like

2664
02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:09,159
that I Am the Last Living God kind of tails off,

2665
02:05:09,439 --> 02:05:12,520
and the back half of the song, you know, of

2666
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:14,520
trailing off into that kind of last you know, kind

2667
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:17,000
of fly my dread Vultures fly before punching back into

2668
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:19,800
it again. Yeah, there's a load of hooks in that song.

2669
02:05:20,319 --> 02:05:22,720
I wouldn't say this is one of the most impressive

2670
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:25,720
Behemoth albums because it is pretty back to basics, you know,

2671
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:29,199
there's nothing really that new going on, even compared to

2672
02:05:29,239 --> 02:05:30,920
you know, open contr nat around which had your versus

2673
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:33,359
Christos or whatever. Although I've noticed maybe a number of

2674
02:05:33,359 --> 02:05:35,439
people who were pretty ready to write this off based

2675
02:05:35,479 --> 02:05:37,039
on the title actually going oh, this is better than

2676
02:05:37,039 --> 02:05:40,600
I expected. And maybe it's the people who you know,

2677
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:42,720
didn't like the extra stuff that they'd kind of cut

2678
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:45,960
back on a bit a little bit. They feel this

2679
02:05:46,039 --> 02:05:47,920
probably will be in my top twenty. I just think

2680
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:51,000
they feel so good when they write big metal songs,

2681
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,600
and I said this about the last one. They are enormous.

2682
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:56,600
They are a machine. They have probably been overexposed to

2683
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:59,119
people to some degree, but I think at their core

2684
02:05:59,359 --> 02:06:01,439
they're underniged Yeah, I feel like.

2685
02:06:01,439 --> 02:06:02,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to kind of repeat something I said with

2686
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:06,439
the Ghost record earlier, but this is probably bottom half

2687
02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:08,680
Behemouth record. In fact, it almost soaly is, but only

2688
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:11,319
because they have such a wealth of brilliant records that

2689
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:15,279
this could feasibly be their tenth best. And I still

2690
02:06:15,279 --> 02:06:18,239
think it's great, you know, I mean, like it's it

2691
02:06:18,319 --> 02:06:21,279
probably is a mark something of a step down from,

2692
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:23,640
if not where they were directly before, where they were

2693
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:26,079
before that. But I just love the sound of this thing,

2694
02:06:26,319 --> 02:06:28,680
and I love the songs. It's banned, right, So even

2695
02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:32,239
if it is a slightly less dazzling and spectacular record

2696
02:06:32,319 --> 02:06:35,920
than even recently we'd come to expect from them, I

2697
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:38,600
think it just scratches an itch that I have.

2698
02:06:39,479 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're switching over from metal to the worlds

2699
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:43,640
of kind of punk and alternative for a bit, which

2700
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:45,640
also had a few kind of notable releases this month.

2701
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:47,640
We're gonna start with Pup. If for no of a

2702
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:50,359
reason they are such an established longtime T and M favor,

2703
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:53,800
they ask the important question, who will look after the dogs?

2704
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:56,520
Love the cover amazing, It's taken PUP this long to

2705
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:58,960
have an album literally with dogs on the front, even

2706
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:02,000
though the context's drawn from the lyrics is very specific.

2707
02:07:02,439 --> 02:07:04,960
The Canadian punk band who kind of broke out maybe

2708
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:07,680
to a degree, of the indie DIY or whatever you

2709
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:09,520
want to say, scene of the twenty tens, to become

2710
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:11,640
one of the only bands, arguably from that scene to

2711
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:14,319
kind of really stand on their own popularity, to break

2712
02:07:14,399 --> 02:07:17,199
just a little bit into the mainstream, become such an

2713
02:07:17,279 --> 02:07:20,720
established touring act and draw Pup you could say they're

2714
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:23,119
one of the success stories of the past decade, even

2715
02:07:23,159 --> 02:07:24,600
if you could always say they could be bigger, but

2716
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,439
just you know, released three albums and twenty tens that

2717
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:30,760
are all essentially classics of that kind of scene and style.

2718
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,039
Whichever one you like the best, I tend to favor

2719
02:07:33,079 --> 02:07:34,760
the very first one the best. But the dream is

2720
02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:38,079
over morbid stuff, all fantastic. Then on their last album,

2721
02:07:38,159 --> 02:07:40,920
The Unraveling of Pup, the Band, they kind of did

2722
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:42,880
what it said on the tin that is a mad

2723
02:07:43,479 --> 02:07:46,600
messy maybe one of the most neurotic albums released in

2724
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:50,439
recent memory, all by design, right like, after three albums

2725
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:53,439
developing the core Pup sound, they shot for something that

2726
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:55,880
is you know, like its cover arts just splashed with

2727
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:58,880
every color of paint over the canvas. It was perhaps

2728
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,479
the most interesting move could have made at that juncture.

2729
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:05,000
I also don't think it's many people's favorite PUP album. Sam,

2730
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:08,359
we've spoken about a Pup before, Elliot. You're a pop fan, Yeah,

2731
02:08:08,439 --> 02:08:09,960
I like pop Up. I think the first few records

2732
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:12,920
are really good. Un raving a pop the band. I

2733
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:15,159
love the idea. I'm kind of fascinated by it.

2734
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:17,239
Speaker 4: I like I like when punk and emo bands go

2735
02:08:17,359 --> 02:08:20,880
high concept, like you know, zen Arcade and things like that.

2736
02:08:21,359 --> 02:08:23,560
And the ida of an album about the band itself

2737
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:27,439
falling apart, I thought that was so cool. I didn't

2738
02:08:27,439 --> 02:08:30,479
really go back to that record, and for whatever reason,

2739
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:32,560
I haven't really gone back to the preceding record since,

2740
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:35,279
but I do think I think the one two of

2741
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:38,520
the Dreamer is Over and Morbid Stuff. I think represents

2742
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:41,359
something of a high water mark for that scene in

2743
02:08:41,399 --> 02:08:42,960
the latter end of that decade.

2744
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:46,880
Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, yeah, we're a fan cool and yeah,

2745
02:08:47,159 --> 02:08:49,279
me and Sam fans. We had album clubs on Pup

2746
02:08:49,279 --> 02:08:49,720
and all sorts of.

2747
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:52,119
Speaker 3: Stuff gone on about this band a lot. One of

2748
02:08:52,199 --> 02:08:55,079
my favorite just scrappy little Canadian punks.

2749
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who will look After the Dogs. I don't

2750
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:00,199
think it's a major surprise that this album is more

2751
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:01,960
along the lines of what you would expect Pup to

2752
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:03,960
sound like than The Unraveling was. I think that very

2753
02:09:04,039 --> 02:09:05,600
much seems like an album where you go ah and

2754
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:08,520
Rainbow puke it all out. I did notice that this

2755
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:10,840
has maybe been the most muted discussion of a pop

2756
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,680
album I can ever remember, Like for a band who

2757
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:16,159
their album's in the twenty tens, Increasingly each time I

2758
02:09:16,199 --> 02:09:19,479
would expect the the TNM forum and then outside even

2759
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,359
onto you know, when they were getting like late night

2760
02:09:21,399 --> 02:09:24,439
TV appearances or morbid stuff or whatever, you know, infusing

2761
02:09:24,439 --> 02:09:26,920
about a pop album. The Unraveling, you know, had some

2762
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:29,479
kind of reaction. This seems like it's sort of come

2763
02:09:29,479 --> 02:09:31,319
and gone without a peep from anybody. Am I wrong?

2764
02:09:32,359 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, because where I sit, I've kind of

2765
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:36,600
just seen like the Pup fans, I know, we're like, yeah,

2766
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:37,359
cool pop album.

2767
02:09:37,399 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 2: We all like this.

2768
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:39,199
Speaker 3: We were having a good time, but we're gonna go

2769
02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:41,279
see him live, and like, I don't know if it's

2770
02:09:41,319 --> 02:09:43,000
kind of like crept Beyond that, it's just kind of

2771
02:09:43,039 --> 02:09:44,640
like in its only little community.

2772
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:47,239
Speaker 2: Been very well received. And that's kind of where PUP

2773
02:09:47,399 --> 02:09:49,640
might exist. Now they're still.

2774
02:09:49,399 --> 02:09:51,960
Speaker 3: You know, sizable and the vises they're playing. But I go,

2775
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:54,600
what you mean, what hasn't you know? There wasn't a

2776
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:55,960
whole load of buzz to it. I think it was

2777
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:58,680
just kind of like PUP, you know, their five albums

2778
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:01,119
in this is an have a good PUP album. We're

2779
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:02,479
all going to have a good time with it, and

2780
02:10:03,079 --> 02:10:06,079
that'll be that like that. It's just because you know,

2781
02:10:06,119 --> 02:10:08,640
there's not a whole lot of discourse.

2782
02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 2: You can have around this album.

2783
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:13,479
Speaker 3: The last album had the kind of like batshit insanity,

2784
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,560
kind of like freak out breakdown stuff. This is you know,

2785
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,640
PUP kind of not going back to basics, but PUP

2786
02:10:19,680 --> 02:10:22,079
doing what PUP do, maybe with just a slightly sad

2787
02:10:22,199 --> 02:10:24,319
tinge rather than angry sort of sound to it. So

2788
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:27,680
I like I was gonna listen. I was like, yeah, cool,

2789
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:30,039
I like all this. I don't know how much we're

2790
02:10:30,039 --> 02:10:31,600
going to discuss all the ins and outs of it,

2791
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:34,159
because it is pretty familiar at this point.

2792
02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it would necessarily be like, you know,

2793
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:41,039
a harsh dumping on mass after the unraveling, so much

2794
02:10:41,039 --> 02:10:43,039
as it is as you're saying, you know, with more

2795
02:10:43,079 --> 02:10:46,880
than a down. Yeah, this is their fifth album. If

2796
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:48,840
it's not the top, top, top of what they've done,

2797
02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:51,079
there's just a bit less chat about them. And I

2798
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:53,560
do you know, I wonder our pup becoming in the

2799
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:56,479
twenties a band people are maybe taking for granted more.

2800
02:10:56,520 --> 02:10:57,720
I don't know. I mean, it would be a shame

2801
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,199
because I think they are some of our brightest from

2802
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:03,000
this side of the rock spectrum. But you know, and

2803
02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:05,079
maybe I am a little muted in my right reaction

2804
02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:08,079
to this album because I don't think it's as you know,

2805
02:11:08,119 --> 02:11:10,680
shit hot as like the first three album run. But

2806
02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:13,079
I like it plenty, you know, like I have fun

2807
02:11:13,119 --> 02:11:15,239
with this album. I think it's the things that pop

2808
02:11:15,359 --> 02:11:19,359
excel in over any band in their scene that make them,

2809
02:11:19,359 --> 02:11:22,880
you know, I think maybe the most characterful, immediately identifiable

2810
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:26,119
punk band like this in the world. They're here rhythmically

2811
02:11:26,199 --> 02:11:28,800
with that sense of kind of free spirited technicality for

2812
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,600
want of a better word, those Spindley guitar leads, particularly

2813
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:33,760
the drumming on this one. The guy has really given

2814
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:35,800
the lion's share of kind of the mix to violently

2815
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:39,479
thud along. That's that's you know, it's there. But I

2816
02:11:39,479 --> 02:11:42,840
also think when you say slightly sadder than you know, angry,

2817
02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:45,319
there's a I don't want to say a softening, but

2818
02:11:45,319 --> 02:11:49,239
I think there is a more of a crue control

2819
02:11:49,319 --> 02:11:52,039
feel to a record like this that maybe represents again,

2820
02:11:52,279 --> 02:11:54,239
you know, the second decade of Pup we're heading into.

2821
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel like again.

2822
02:11:55,960 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 3: Like one of the things I've said that every pop album,

2823
02:11:57,600 --> 02:11:59,720
one of my favorites about them was ways their abas

2824
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:02,840
feel they could fall apart any second. There is perhaps

2825
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:05,039
a little bit less of that on this album. I'm

2826
02:12:05,159 --> 02:12:07,560
just gonna say, I fucking love this album. The sound

2827
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:10,199
of Pup is just like sweet music to my ears.

2828
02:12:10,479 --> 02:12:13,760
I love this band again. The unraveling took a little

2829
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:15,119
while for me to kind wrap my head around, cause

2830
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:17,359
it's so weird pop kind of going back to what

2831
02:12:17,359 --> 02:12:20,359
they do, like I'm so inn it, you know, like

2832
02:12:20,399 --> 02:12:23,880
there are still odd turns, but like Concrete, right, the

2833
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:27,760
opening guitar lines on Concrete is a comfort. It's a

2834
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:30,000
warm blanket wrapped around with that kind of goes like

2835
02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:33,199
I love this sound. I love this band that kind

2836
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:35,800
of like they've still got that scrappiness too. Then they

2837
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:39,119
still got those kind of like weird o freak guitar

2838
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:42,880
melodies that are so infectious and again and it's got

2839
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:44,880
a chorus, so you know, the I don't give a

2840
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:47,560
shit about your problems, like all of the lift, all

2841
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,439
of that sort of stuff. I'm just having a great

2842
02:12:49,479 --> 02:12:52,279
time with this album start to finish because it's Pup

2843
02:12:52,319 --> 02:12:52,960
doing what Pup do.

2844
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel that way about No Hope

2845
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:57,640
at the start, which just with the ah I don't

2846
02:12:57,680 --> 02:13:01,920
need help, it just puts the grin on melodically straight away. Yeah.

2847
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:04,359
Speaker 4: I feel like I have to leave this one mainly

2848
02:13:04,359 --> 02:13:08,920
to you guys, because I I'm pretty middled by this record,

2849
02:13:09,039 --> 02:13:12,319
to be honest, and it's not for any failing of

2850
02:13:12,359 --> 02:13:14,920
the album. Like on paper and in reality, there's nothing

2851
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:19,239
wrong with it, you know, twelve short blasts of noisy

2852
02:13:19,279 --> 02:13:21,920
power pop. It's not reinventing the wheel, but there's nothing

2853
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:24,000
to dislike about that. Papa really good at doing it.

2854
02:13:25,279 --> 02:13:27,159
I feel similar to this record. It's how I felt

2855
02:13:27,159 --> 02:13:31,000
about the Last Choice Manor record, who I think still

2856
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:33,760
are probably my favorite band from this scene of their generation.

2857
02:13:34,439 --> 02:13:36,800
And I don't know what the context of this record

2858
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,840
is but that album was sort of the band cleaning house,

2859
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:42,600
putting together a collection of songs and sort of putting

2860
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:44,520
out half the COVID and going like, ready, read on

2861
02:13:44,520 --> 02:13:46,239
for the next thing. I don't think that's necessarily what

2862
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:51,239
they've done here, But this album feels maybe like the

2863
02:13:51,319 --> 02:13:53,199
least essential of the bunch. I don't know whether it's

2864
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:57,039
better or worse than The Unraveling, but as a record itself,

2865
02:13:57,479 --> 02:14:00,079
I don't see myself going back to it much in

2866
02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:00,720
a month's time.

2867
02:14:01,279 --> 02:14:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't necessarily think you're wrong. It

2868
02:14:03,039 --> 02:14:04,479
inspires maybe a little bit, because I think there are

2869
02:14:04,479 --> 02:14:05,840
parts of this where it feels like they're getting their

2870
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:08,640
wheezer on more than any previous Pup album. But I

2871
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:12,279
do understand what you're saying they do. I think actual

2872
02:14:12,439 --> 02:14:14,279
rock songs, like not just for the kind of the

2873
02:14:14,279 --> 02:14:17,279
punk clatter, but the sort of like spiked up gel

2874
02:14:17,319 --> 02:14:19,479
in your hair, knee slide guitar shit, like for as

2875
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:22,359
much as this is a slightly more subdued record, get

2876
02:14:22,439 --> 02:14:25,479
Dumber right stuff like that. When they do the probably

2877
02:14:25,479 --> 02:14:28,119
inevitable at some point move of getting Jeff Rosenstock to guest,

2878
02:14:28,439 --> 02:14:32,840
but they have those you know, broken discordant guitar noodle

2879
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,159
parts in the verses, but it manages to not detract

2880
02:14:35,239 --> 02:14:38,239
from the particular like flame t shirt energy of a

2881
02:14:38,399 --> 02:14:41,720
song like that. And again that kind of Jeff Rosenstock

2882
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:44,279
school of punk which they come from, is not usually

2883
02:14:44,359 --> 02:14:45,960
a thing that I have any interesting really that sort

2884
02:14:45,960 --> 02:14:48,319
of angst indie jangle stuff. But Pup for me, they

2885
02:14:48,319 --> 02:14:51,560
have like both the most exuberant hooks and the wallop

2886
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:52,960
that you kind of have there.

2887
02:14:53,239 --> 02:14:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like get dumb into me.

2888
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:57,399
Speaker 3: That's sort of the quintessential Stephan's going to drop his

2889
02:14:57,439 --> 02:14:59,199
guitar when they play this live and just got to

2890
02:14:59,239 --> 02:15:01,520
like jump in the ground. And those are pop songs

2891
02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:03,800
are always ones I'm fully on paranoids and every one

2892
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:04,239
like that.

2893
02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:06,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, there was just like even when

2894
02:15:06,399 --> 02:15:07,279
I said this is a.

2895
02:15:07,279 --> 02:15:10,479
Speaker 3: Sadder, like a bit more somber pop album, there is

2896
02:15:10,479 --> 02:15:12,880
still any exuberance to the melody when they're going to know,

2897
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:15,439
fuck everyone on this planet except for you. Papa a

2898
02:15:15,439 --> 02:15:17,880
band who can pull off irony to me, like again

2899
02:15:18,079 --> 02:15:21,039
we comas about having being too irony poisoned. Papa Will

2900
02:15:21,039 --> 02:15:22,720
always got the sort of the right balance of like

2901
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:26,439
having that bit of irony whilst kind of delivering actual

2902
02:15:26,479 --> 02:15:29,760
kind of like exuberant, joyful melody. So it does get

2903
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:31,800
the contrast right, and there is when they need to

2904
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:34,359
be they will be sincere at the right moments, so

2905
02:15:34,439 --> 02:15:36,439
it never feels too irony poisoned.

2906
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:38,880
Speaker 2: But I just you know, need to hear it.

2907
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,760
Speaker 3: You know, you get those big guitar leads and they

2908
02:15:41,800 --> 02:15:43,880
sound a little bit mangled, so again it just feels

2909
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:46,600
like Papa never gonna stand the edges off too much,

2910
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:49,279
even when they are, you know, settling down a little

2911
02:15:49,279 --> 02:15:51,119
bit more. And that to me is the character to

2912
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,239
the band, where when you think they're you know, gonna

2913
02:15:53,319 --> 02:15:56,319
just fully just settle down and become a normal band,

2914
02:15:56,319 --> 02:15:58,479
they'll still kind of be like, now we're a little

2915
02:15:58,479 --> 02:16:00,359
bit weird every now and then, and we'll of like

2916
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:02,880
for this weird melody that's still super catchy.

2917
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because stuff like Olive Garden the bass

2918
02:16:07,359 --> 02:16:12,920
is so overblown. It's like yeah, and it's again for

2919
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:14,960
a band who have had these little tastes of success,

2920
02:16:15,479 --> 02:16:18,199
they've they've not gone the way of polishing themselves up particularly,

2921
02:16:18,279 --> 02:16:20,239
and it's really just fun to hear rattlely it is,

2922
02:16:20,279 --> 02:16:22,199
and you know, the first two songs are like one

2923
02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:26,840
minute fifty seconds something, But I wouldn't necessarily characterize them

2924
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:29,560
as having become more obtuse with age, because the music

2925
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:32,079
itself is a little more rained in. There are the

2926
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:34,440
real moments where you know, you're saying the weird stuff

2927
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:37,399
cruel sticks out where it has these big, you know,

2928
02:16:37,479 --> 02:16:40,079
quite heartwarming rock rifts deliver with this kind of unkempt

2929
02:16:40,079 --> 02:16:43,079
punk production, but then it has the most hilarious what

2930
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:45,399
on earth is this guitar sophy in the end?

2931
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:47,959
Speaker 2: What's that bit for?

2932
02:16:48,159 --> 02:16:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm all for it, and I guess

2933
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:53,079
you know. The most kind of of the singles, the

2934
02:16:53,159 --> 02:16:56,639
really like asset rickety punk one is Paranoise, which is

2935
02:16:56,719 --> 02:17:00,639
just the furious kind of borderline thrashing pot which I

2936
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:03,319
really love. Yeah, I think Waiting from Unraveling is like

2937
02:17:03,399 --> 02:17:05,280
the song that really stuck in my head from that record,

2938
02:17:06,159 --> 02:17:08,319
and this, you know, getting the Teeth In like that

2939
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:10,360
does a similar thing. I mentioned it how it has

2940
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:12,920
it's almost like almost like two thousands post hardcore corp

2941
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:14,600
poressional or something in the birth, which is really cool.

2942
02:17:15,440 --> 02:17:19,040
But there are well I mentioned them getting their Weezer

2943
02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:20,719
on and stuff like that, and I guess, you know,

2944
02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:22,920
it's more generally, you know, Eli you said power pop.

2945
02:17:22,920 --> 02:17:26,440
I think that element seems to be slightly more maybe

2946
02:17:26,479 --> 02:17:28,159
when they just again they settle into a groove and

2947
02:17:28,159 --> 02:17:30,799
they let them alodies kind of carry themselves, stuff like

2948
02:17:30,879 --> 02:17:33,879
Hunger for Death. When Stephan opens up doing this almost

2949
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:36,680
like fifties lullaby, you know, fuck everyone on this planet.

2950
02:17:37,239 --> 02:17:40,719
He has this very innate likability in his voice to

2951
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:42,479
get away with that kind of stuff. And there maybe

2952
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:45,040
is a sense that, you know, the foot's being taken

2953
02:17:45,079 --> 02:17:46,959
off the pedal just a little bit compared to you know,

2954
02:17:46,959 --> 02:17:48,600
the stuff they were writing when they're in their twenties,

2955
02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:50,879
and it is more kind of stopping to smell the

2956
02:17:50,920 --> 02:17:53,280
roses a little bit and just letting a song breathe

2957
02:17:53,319 --> 02:17:53,600
like that.

2958
02:17:53,799 --> 02:17:55,879
Speaker 3: I'm fine with them kind of like stepping off because again,

2959
02:17:55,959 --> 02:17:58,159
you know, you get paranoid falling out and then you

2960
02:17:58,200 --> 02:17:59,840
get you know, falling out of love, and it is

2961
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:01,520
a bit more of a mid tempo head Noorder and

2962
02:18:01,520 --> 02:18:03,159
you're just kind of like, yeah, this's just really cheer

2963
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:07,120
and comforting. Hallways is like again another one where it's

2964
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:10,959
so kind of like introspective and kind of just like

2965
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:15,520
reflecting on foud relationships and the whole, like there might

2966
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:17,440
not be no other doors all that sort of stuff.

2967
02:18:17,440 --> 02:18:20,239
Like there is a kind of like a more reflective

2968
02:18:20,239 --> 02:18:23,280
side to put rather than the kind of like frantic,

2969
02:18:23,319 --> 02:18:25,879
manic lashings out that was all over the unraveling. They're

2970
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:28,239
kind of like taking stock of things and looking in

2971
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:31,360
wood and kind of like asking who will look after

2972
02:18:31,440 --> 02:18:32,079
all the dogs?

2973
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of heartbreak on this album.

2974
02:18:35,159 --> 02:18:38,239
I think the album that will come from Hallways, which,

2975
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:40,360
like many songs here, is absolutely a breakup song. But

2976
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:44,879
you're right, it's not as spiteful or nihilistic or even

2977
02:18:44,920 --> 02:18:47,040
as even as you're sort of lost, you know, a

2978
02:18:47,159 --> 02:18:48,959
pup could be there. There's a feeling of just sort

2979
02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:51,000
of like, I mean, my thirties, I need to resolve

2980
02:18:51,079 --> 02:18:52,680
to kind of get through with this. And I think

2981
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:54,159
some of the slower songs on this are actually some

2982
02:18:54,159 --> 02:18:56,239
of the best ones, Like fall Out of Love is

2983
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:57,719
like a kind of has it a sort of like

2984
02:18:57,760 --> 02:18:59,520
a Beach Boys e lament sort of feel, which I

2985
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:02,159
really like, I really need to hear it, which again

2986
02:19:02,399 --> 02:19:06,479
has that wheezery quality of yeah, mid paced, intimate, but

2987
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,440
in some way also kind of classic rock sing along

2988
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:11,399
on a song like that, and I just felt like, yeah,

2989
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:15,239
like I'm quite down for slightly melancholy but holding firm

2990
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:17,479
with a beer seventies rock pup, which is what I

2991
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:18,920
feel like I get on certain songs on.

2992
02:19:18,840 --> 02:19:20,799
Speaker 3: This Best Revenge, there's not one like that, where again

2993
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:23,840
it's got really lushly guitars, and then of course all

2994
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:26,120
the best Revengers living well, I've been living like shit.

2995
02:19:26,159 --> 02:19:28,239
It's been fucking up my sleep. Like that is what

2996
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:30,079
I want from Pope. I want to, you know, just

2997
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:32,120
have a rousing signal. And that's kind of a little

2998
02:19:32,120 --> 02:19:34,959
bit like, yeah, well, you know, being in your face

2999
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:36,399
is kind of shit right now?

3000
02:19:37,319 --> 02:19:37,799
Speaker 2: Relatable.

3001
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:40,559
Speaker 1: That's a classic style kind of pop hook delivery, isn't

3002
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:43,360
It's quite a beautiful and again the song that may

3003
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:46,280
be amongst the most kind of like nineties radio feeling

3004
02:19:46,600 --> 02:19:48,079
they've ever done, I guess is what I'm kind of

3005
02:19:48,079 --> 02:19:53,040
getting at Elliott. You know, I understand not being crazy

3006
02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:54,879
about the record because I don't think it's a necessarily

3007
02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:57,639
spectacular fair I just think it's very innately likable. But

3008
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:59,280
do you have any sort of just last feelings you

3009
02:19:59,280 --> 02:19:59,879
want to ge out there.

3010
02:20:00,719 --> 02:20:02,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like maybe I was too

3011
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:05,440
wuch of a Debbie Downer, too earlier or happy to.

3012
02:20:05,399 --> 02:20:06,120
Speaker 1: Do that job for me.

3013
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:09,040
Speaker 4: But like the album, I should say it is really

3014
02:20:09,079 --> 02:20:12,840
pleasant when it's on. The production's great, it's melodically really satisfying,

3015
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:15,040
well performed. I do think there's really nice melodies all

3016
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:18,120
over it. The bands sound good, and if you are

3017
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:22,440
someone who is really invested in like the arc, the

3018
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:25,600
artistic arc of this band, I imagine there's something quite

3019
02:20:25,639 --> 02:20:28,479
comforting to them putting out album that sounds this nice

3020
02:20:28,559 --> 02:20:34,680
and not quite so anxious this time around. I think

3021
02:20:35,239 --> 02:20:37,120
I suspect that I'll continue to have the impression that

3022
02:20:37,159 --> 02:20:42,120
it's the least essential pop record, But you know, such

3023
02:20:42,239 --> 02:20:44,520
is the way that you know that last choice Matter

3024
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:45,840
record I still think had a couple of really good

3025
02:20:45,879 --> 02:20:47,559
songs on it. It's for when to go back to

3026
02:20:47,719 --> 02:20:50,440
least to this day, but certainly not a bad record.

3027
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:54,479
I think there's very pleasant things about this that's it.

3028
02:20:54,559 --> 02:20:58,239
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, I think this record overall works better than

3029
02:20:58,280 --> 02:21:00,520
the unraveling of Pup the band did. I think I

3030
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:03,079
understand what you're saying and that the Unraveling Popper band

3031
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:08,079
is so you know, innately interesting that it it's maybe

3032
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:09,959
more of a like you should hear that rather than

3033
02:21:09,959 --> 02:21:11,479
this or which is just a good band. You know,

3034
02:21:12,799 --> 02:21:15,399
it's not as kind of hook a minute, you know,

3035
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:18,200
guitar lick or vocal jammed into every single second of

3036
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,239
space as the earlier ones. I think Morbid Stuff maybe

3037
02:21:20,639 --> 02:21:24,000
represent the kind of like most refined, ready for wider

3038
02:21:24,040 --> 02:21:26,920
accessibility version of that approach, and then they went crazy

3039
02:21:26,959 --> 02:21:29,399
with Unraveling, and then this feels a bit more like

3040
02:21:30,239 --> 02:21:33,399
a beginning of an act to sort of Pup. Maybe

3041
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:35,239
it's a bit slower, bit more considered, but I still

3042
02:21:35,239 --> 02:21:37,559
think a lot of their key characteristics are really well

3043
02:21:37,719 --> 02:21:39,920
represented in it, and it's worth a listen. So who

3044
02:21:39,959 --> 02:21:43,319
will look after dogs from Pup? Next we go to

3045
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:46,680
the Callous Dowboys with an album called I Don't Want

3046
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:49,120
to See You in Heaven. This is I mean, speaking

3047
02:21:49,159 --> 02:21:52,000
of things that I guess the opposite of our cruise

3048
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:56,280
control taking it easy. This is the quite anticipated follow

3049
02:21:56,360 --> 02:21:59,600
up to the Callous Dowboys twenty twenty two album Celebrity Therapist,

3050
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:02,559
which maybe it's a bit of a low situation where

3051
02:22:02,559 --> 02:22:04,280
that's not actually their debut album, I don't think, but

3052
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:06,120
it seemed like on that album they came from pretty

3053
02:22:06,159 --> 02:22:09,959
much nowhere to immediately and massively blowing up on everyone's

3054
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:12,719
radars for a newer band. The release of Celebrity Therapist

3055
02:22:12,879 --> 02:22:16,639
was one of the most like madly hyperactively received albums

3056
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:18,799
in recent years. Everyone just shouted the album of the

3057
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:20,719
year is banded the best off the back of it

3058
02:22:21,639 --> 02:22:23,639
in a world where I guess the old guard of

3059
02:22:23,639 --> 02:22:25,559
it no longer really exists. In the same way, it's

3060
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:27,799
probably accurate to say that the Callistal Boys are like

3061
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:29,840
the hottest mathcore band on the planet right now.

3062
02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:32,799
Speaker 2: Right now, I think absolutely they are.

3063
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:35,280
Speaker 3: Well here's we will be into it like they are

3064
02:22:35,319 --> 02:22:38,520
selling bonkers math cords. People who would never touch a

3065
02:22:38,559 --> 02:22:42,000
Dyllinger record. They have somehow crossed over to that sort

3066
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:45,200
of lane as well. They they're in a position to

3067
02:22:45,319 --> 02:22:49,040
do like big things to Callistal Boys. It's a real

3068
02:22:49,159 --> 02:22:51,200
kind of interesting time for that band.

3069
02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remind us how you guys felt about Celebrity Therapist,

3070
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:56,920
particularly you Elliott, because I think that that would have

3071
02:22:56,920 --> 02:22:59,079
been maybe one of the last reviews episodes we did

3072
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:00,000
before you then joined us.

3073
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:03,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that record has some brilliant stuff on it.

3074
02:23:04,120 --> 02:23:05,840
For a long time, I really didn't know how I

3075
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:09,879
felt about this band generally, and that record was by

3076
02:23:09,879 --> 02:23:12,200
pushing everything they do as far as possible. It was

3077
02:23:12,239 --> 02:23:15,760
the most intense. I felt kind of polarized by their

3078
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:17,600
sound because there are aspects of it which I think

3079
02:23:17,639 --> 02:23:21,879
are brilliant, really inventive, and their take on math core

3080
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:26,479
can be really invigorating. On the other hand, they do

3081
02:23:26,799 --> 02:23:30,639
sometimes tip over into that sort of I don't know,

3082
02:23:30,719 --> 02:23:33,799
like Elder Emo theater Kid energy sometimes.

3083
02:23:33,399 --> 02:23:38,959
Speaker 1: Which yeah is it's fine. It does make me want

3084
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:40,399
to bury myself alive a little bit.

3085
02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:44,799
Speaker 4: A little bit. It can be quite annoying, which is

3086
02:23:44,799 --> 02:23:47,799
two extreme feelings pulling me in prett opposite directions, and

3087
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:50,879
it ultimately left me feeling sort of not ambivalent, but

3088
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:52,959
stuck in the middle.

3089
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:54,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really know. I couldn't really put myself on

3090
02:23:54,959 --> 02:23:55,440
either team.

3091
02:23:56,639 --> 02:23:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean doing the kind of crazy math cord

3092
02:23:59,239 --> 02:24:01,159
thing with theater Kid energy of course.

3093
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:05,760
Speaker 2: I mean. I really loved their debut Dion Mars as well, Sime.

3094
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:07,680
I love that. I think it just missed out in

3095
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:08,639
my Top twenty that year.

3096
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:10,040
Speaker 3: Because I mean there was there was a lot of

3097
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:12,600
good stuff that year, but it's now my ded of

3098
02:24:13,079 --> 02:24:15,760
a very good time with and made me kind of

3099
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:18,079
very excited to see where they go next, because again

3100
02:24:18,159 --> 02:24:20,680
it did suddenly kind of like go from this band

3101
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:22,040
that me and a few others will kind of go like,

3102
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:24,559
oh that that Dan marlesdabum, that's really cool. I'm excited

3103
02:24:24,559 --> 02:24:27,319
to see that to go and like everyone's or like

3104
02:24:27,719 --> 02:24:31,079
Calstar Boys are hanging off everyone's tongue. Right, So, yeah,

3105
02:24:31,079 --> 02:24:33,959
this was this was one of my most anti spated

3106
02:24:33,959 --> 02:24:36,479
albums of this year right now, the follow up to

3107
02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:37,399
a celebrity Therapist.

3108
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess how do you think it? Uh?

3109
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:42,319
If it was one of your most anticipated has it

3110
02:24:42,319 --> 02:24:42,920
delivered for you?

3111
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:47,079
Speaker 3: I mean, like, this album has been all I can

3112
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:49,920
think about for the last week is been ahead.

3113
02:24:49,959 --> 02:24:50,159
Speaker 2: Fuck.

3114
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:52,479
Speaker 3: I was kind of like when I first I was like,

3115
02:24:52,479 --> 02:24:54,440
I don't know if I like this yet. Good on

3116
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:58,479
you Calistar Boys for going this this hard on being

3117
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:01,760
the most calloustal boys you can possibly be. And now

3118
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:03,840
after listening to a bunch of the week, I'm just

3119
02:25:04,799 --> 02:25:07,639
I'm so into the delirious madness that I kind of

3120
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:10,920
get from this album of the theater kid math core

3121
02:25:11,079 --> 02:25:14,159
or math core thing with like naughty'sy emo and all

3122
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:16,559
of that. Like, I'm fascinating what you t we are

3123
02:25:16,559 --> 02:25:19,159
gonna make of this because I have genuinely no idea.

3124
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm being brought.

3125
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,239
Speaker 3: In, but I'm like, you're either lovers will hate this

3126
02:25:24,319 --> 02:25:26,600
all because I have no fucking clue.

3127
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:28,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was taken aback for one thing when I

3128
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:32,040
saw it was nearly an hour long, because Celebrity Therapist

3129
02:25:32,159 --> 02:25:34,840
was eight tracks, right, and for an album coming out

3130
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:37,399
the world of sort of math core, the explosiveness of

3131
02:25:37,440 --> 02:25:39,719
that is generally best suited for tight packages. Even the

3132
02:25:39,799 --> 02:25:42,319
Dyllander Escape Plan never made an album more than a

3133
02:25:42,399 --> 02:25:46,280
few seconds over fifteen minutes. Yeah, right, and Celebrity Therapists

3134
02:25:46,360 --> 02:25:49,440
was such a kind of explosion in a ballpool album

3135
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:52,799
of just like aggressive sloshing around of color and pop.

3136
02:25:53,159 --> 02:25:56,600
I elliott I think I share largely the same feeling

3137
02:25:56,600 --> 02:25:58,479
as you, but I think collectively we have seemed to

3138
02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:01,360
have a slightly outlier's opinion on the Calistal Boys, because

3139
02:26:01,879 --> 02:26:04,600
again I quite like their albums for their just sort

3140
02:26:04,639 --> 02:26:08,760
of intensity and fizziness. It also you know, Celebrity Therapists

3141
02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:10,520
didn't really stick with me. There's one hook at the

3142
02:26:10,600 --> 02:26:12,600
end when it just turns into a musical song, and

3143
02:26:12,680 --> 02:26:14,399
that's the one bit that jammed itself in my head.

3144
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:16,840
But I thought, if they can build an album, you know,

3145
02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:20,600
to a point like that, what are they going to

3146
02:26:20,639 --> 02:26:23,399
do with this where I think, to really survive this

3147
02:26:23,559 --> 02:26:26,319
kind of long duration they've done, there needs to be

3148
02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:30,040
an arc of sorts. And uh, I guess it's quite

3149
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:32,239
funny doing this after Pup and talking about the unraveling

3150
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:33,879
of Pup the band, because this shares a sort of

3151
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:37,000
like almost meta quality of it's very concerned with their

3152
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,639
own band and their own art. You've got the intro

3153
02:26:39,879 --> 02:26:44,159
sort of like nineteen seventies Paranormal Science Museum exhibit narration

3154
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:47,239
framing this album as like something preserved in the future.

3155
02:26:48,239 --> 02:26:49,639
And I don't really know what they're on about it.

3156
02:26:49,799 --> 02:26:52,040
Kind of it's enough getting your head around what they're

3157
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:54,239
fitting in musically before getting to what the hell they're

3158
02:26:54,239 --> 02:26:58,719
saying about themselves. But for myself, it comes to me

3159
02:26:59,040 --> 02:27:01,200
still more as an album of sounds more than an

3160
02:27:01,239 --> 02:27:05,440
album of great music. I hear things like the beginning

3161
02:27:05,559 --> 02:27:08,000
seconds of two headed trout where we're in some kind

3162
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:10,920
of flamenco hall and then it kind of flutters back

3163
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:12,719
to life during the hook, sort of strange sounds like that,

3164
02:27:12,760 --> 02:27:14,159
and I go, oh, yeah, that grabs my ear?

3165
02:27:14,200 --> 02:27:14,559
Speaker 2: What is that?

3166
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:18,559
Speaker 1: But I don't really pick up on the momentum of

3167
02:27:19,639 --> 02:27:21,440
the kind of songs they're writing and then how that

3168
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:25,520
translates into, you know, again an excessive kind of listening experience. Elliott,

3169
02:27:26,559 --> 02:27:29,159
where do you kind of fit with this? I think

3170
02:27:29,159 --> 02:27:31,440
I learned somewhere between the two of you. I think

3171
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:33,600
it's I think I think it's better than you do Poent.

3172
02:27:33,639 --> 02:27:35,040
I don't know if I'm quite as convinced by it

3173
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:35,719
as Sam.

3174
02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:41,440
Speaker 4: Is that the whole framing device of this record? Like

3175
02:27:41,479 --> 02:27:43,479
you say, it's quite similar to that pop album. I'm

3176
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,920
more endeared to that pop album, mainly because it's like

3177
02:27:46,479 --> 02:27:48,799
punk's doing it, whereas when theater kids do it, it's

3178
02:27:48,840 --> 02:27:51,159
like it feels a bit like listening to an improv troupe.

3179
02:27:51,239 --> 02:27:52,920
It's like, oh yes, and it's like no, no, no, no,

3180
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:55,680
no no no, we're.

3181
02:27:55,079 --> 02:27:58,040
Speaker 1: Playing rock and roll. Okay, there's no improv.

3182
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm my rock and rollercords, please, So that I kind

3183
02:28:02,639 --> 02:28:04,559
of just dismissed, and I found a way of tuning

3184
02:28:04,600 --> 02:28:08,399
that aspects out. I think I hear what you're saying

3185
02:28:08,520 --> 02:28:12,639
about this being the most the most Calloustalboys Calistal Boys record,

3186
02:28:12,760 --> 02:28:14,200
and if you had told me that's what we were getting,

3187
02:28:14,280 --> 02:28:16,559
I might have been wincing a bit going into it.

3188
02:28:17,399 --> 02:28:22,440
This time around, I feel like the band are more

3189
02:28:22,559 --> 02:28:25,280
artistically bold, more confident in what they're doing, but less

3190
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,639
amused by themselves, which has been a bit of a

3191
02:28:28,680 --> 02:28:30,200
problem for me in the past, where it's like there's

3192
02:28:30,200 --> 02:28:32,319
a kind of winking element of lock oh, can you believe, well,

3193
02:28:32,360 --> 02:28:36,120
bloody mad, aren't we doing this? You're probably you're probably

3194
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:37,760
weirded out. You already think we're really random, and it's

3195
02:28:37,799 --> 02:28:40,639
like no, no, no, no, no, Like this combination is

3196
02:28:40,760 --> 02:28:43,360
not that novel. But this time if it was, like

3197
02:28:43,440 --> 02:28:45,280
they've focused more on the things that make them good,

3198
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:48,920
or that the things they do and making them good,

3199
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:52,319
and the record is much better for it. Of all

3200
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:54,040
the stuff I've heard them do, I think this is

3201
02:28:54,120 --> 02:28:54,639
my favorite.

3202
02:28:55,399 --> 02:28:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's frankly hilariously said, they're less

3203
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,280
amused with themselves when this album has Ugga buggabo uga

3204
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:04,319
boo boo ugger right now you've got that like again,

3205
02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:08,399
like I should maybe know better, but I like when

3206
02:29:08,440 --> 02:29:12,520
that hit, I was like, am I like going insane?

3207
02:29:12,639 --> 02:29:15,079
Speaker 2: Or is this song built on the ugaboo ugaboo?

3208
02:29:15,360 --> 02:29:17,719
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, when you commit to

3209
02:29:17,799 --> 02:29:21,280
the bit, it's so brainless, it's genius, Like is so

3210
02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:26,399
like I am just so here for every weirdo turn

3211
02:29:26,520 --> 02:29:29,440
this album takes. Because at the same time, for all

3212
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:33,079
of these weirdo turns and like ficked nonsense bits, when

3213
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:36,399
this album fucking goes, it goes. When the Beatdown's hit,

3214
02:29:36,600 --> 02:29:40,959
they are like stupidly hard. There are some crazy good

3215
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:44,280
rifts they've got, like the laser gun sounding guitar sounds

3216
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:47,159
that are like all over there. You know. Two Headed

3217
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:50,840
Truck has the most like weirdo symp touches with the

3218
02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:53,280
most super jazz hands vocal melodies.

3219
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:55,440
Speaker 2: The band of like done and I'm here for it.

3220
02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:58,760
Speaker 3: It's so like it's just such a like roller coaster

3221
02:29:58,879 --> 02:30:01,479
of like this, this is stupid, none of this should work,

3222
02:30:01,719 --> 02:30:03,760
but there is a commitment to doing it.

3223
02:30:03,879 --> 02:30:05,799
Speaker 2: And I guess as much all of that, I.

3224
02:30:05,799 --> 02:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Think you're right.

3225
02:30:06,239 --> 02:30:10,600
Speaker 3: They're like weirdly more serious about it, whilst maybe being

3226
02:30:10,719 --> 02:30:13,079
more stupid because they're kind of tying in with this

3227
02:30:13,159 --> 02:30:16,040
whole weirdo concept of this a I'm just kind of

3228
02:30:16,079 --> 02:30:20,399
being a celebration of being a bit of a freak.

3229
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:23,440
I don't know, Like, I just have so much fun

3230
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:26,120
with this album for the entire fifty seven and again

3231
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:29,120
we say it's fifty seven minutes. Twelve minutes of that

3232
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:32,000
is the closing track, so like you can still enjoy

3233
02:30:32,079 --> 02:30:35,000
the bulk of this album as as as the concise.

3234
02:30:34,680 --> 02:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Package that it perhaps works best at.

3235
02:30:37,479 --> 02:30:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean speaking about the riffing you're talking about,

3236
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:45,000
you know, whether it be Schizophrenia Legacy, which those sort

3237
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:49,000
of like car bomb ish you know, spaceship dive bomb stuff,

3238
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:51,760
or I like Full Moon Guidance, which just has that

3239
02:30:51,879 --> 02:30:54,959
real that has kind of a present as it hits,

3240
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:56,559
and I like when they just lean into like a

3241
02:30:56,639 --> 02:30:59,520
sort of depth charge, you know, slamming guitar sound. Yeah,

3242
02:30:59,559 --> 02:31:02,479
the break before the clappy bit in that feels like

3243
02:31:02,559 --> 02:31:05,319
it's just going to explode. It's that's good. I like

3244
02:31:05,440 --> 02:31:07,639
the main riff in Tears on Lambou Level, which is

3245
02:31:07,719 --> 02:31:10,879
just really freakish, like quite kareeming and almost like a

3246
02:31:10,959 --> 02:31:13,000
dial as being turned up and down as it plays.

3247
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,600
It's quite strange. And then that moves into a sort

3248
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:18,639
of like R and B finger CLICKI bit. That kind

3249
02:31:18,639 --> 02:31:20,319
of tricks you to thinking we're going to sit there

3250
02:31:20,360 --> 02:31:21,639
for a bit, but then it just uses that as

3251
02:31:21,639 --> 02:31:23,399
a jump scare to come back with the riff, you

3252
02:31:23,479 --> 02:31:25,239
know that, And that made me smile, you know.

3253
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:28,399
Speaker 3: I think they do the shotgun sample into the riff

3254
02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:30,159
after that, like R and B bit, which is the

3255
02:31:30,239 --> 02:31:31,319
best thing a band can ever do.

3256
02:31:31,879 --> 02:31:32,600
Speaker 2: Always great.

3257
02:31:33,639 --> 02:31:35,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is something about this where, you know, for

3258
02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:40,559
a math corp, it's very modern kind of taking advantage

3259
02:31:40,600 --> 02:31:44,040
of like this is not your nineteen ninety nine to

3260
02:31:44,079 --> 02:31:47,399
two thousand and whatever style of math cort. The guitars

3261
02:31:47,479 --> 02:31:50,159
are thick and they have a mass that I would

3262
02:31:50,159 --> 02:31:52,680
associate more with your kind of you know, your more

3263
02:31:52,719 --> 02:31:55,959
contemporary hardcore, your you know, like Will Putney stuff or

3264
02:31:55,959 --> 02:31:57,600
whatever it be. I think there's maybe a bit of

3265
02:31:57,639 --> 02:31:59,959
a trade off there where you know, you say rock

3266
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:01,719
and roll, Elliott, I don't think there is as much

3267
02:32:01,799 --> 02:32:03,760
rock and roll in what the calistyal boys in their

3268
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:06,680
riffs do compared to let's say a mathcore band from

3269
02:32:06,799 --> 02:32:09,200
like the two thousands or something. They don't swing in

3270
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:11,280
the same way. It is more that just like koreening

3271
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:14,280
crazy sound kind of mangled into the shape of like

3272
02:32:14,319 --> 02:32:17,399
a beatdown or something. But I do like again, there

3273
02:32:17,399 --> 02:32:20,319
are parts where, like Schizophrenia Legacy goes into an almost

3274
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:22,399
like kind of two step feel, and they have like

3275
02:32:22,479 --> 02:32:26,280
these snippets of like straight up hardcore that exist inside

3276
02:32:26,360 --> 02:32:29,239
the kind of crazy house of cards of other elements

3277
02:32:29,239 --> 02:32:31,600
they've built before, then go into like a sexy saxbridge

3278
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:36,520
or something like that. But they often they really like

3279
02:32:36,719 --> 02:32:41,239
they pile it through with stuff like the Demon Unreality.

3280
02:32:41,639 --> 02:32:44,280
First forty five seconds is a pretty classic Sandy mathcore song,

3281
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:46,120
just reminds you why you like that kind of stuff.

3282
02:32:46,200 --> 02:32:49,520
Cool good, but then it explodes with like almost like

3283
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:52,399
half seconds snippets of just like here's a drum and

3284
02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:54,000
bass beat and then it's gone right or like some

3285
02:32:54,079 --> 02:32:56,040
bongos in the middle when it goes all samba or something.

3286
02:32:56,159 --> 02:32:58,120
And I just think the recording track for this album,

3287
02:32:58,159 --> 02:32:59,360
if you were to look at it on the fucking

3288
02:32:59,360 --> 02:33:03,760
studio compute must be mental looking, and it like those

3289
02:33:03,799 --> 02:33:05,879
moments almost reminds me of stuff like machine gul when

3290
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:08,200
it is just so like kind of absolutely where do

3291
02:33:08,239 --> 02:33:08,680
I look with it?

3292
02:33:09,239 --> 02:33:10,719
Speaker 3: Maybe it could be a bigimmick and they could focus

3293
02:33:10,760 --> 02:33:12,079
in them of it, but I'm kind of just down

3294
02:33:12,120 --> 02:33:14,200
for that, Like which way is it gonna go?

3295
02:33:14,440 --> 02:33:14,639
Speaker 2: Again?

3296
02:33:14,639 --> 02:33:15,920
Speaker 3: I just have a bunch And there are still some

3297
02:33:15,959 --> 02:33:18,079
of those bits that catch me off guard. And I

3298
02:33:18,159 --> 02:33:20,479
mean again like deep bit of reality. You get that

3299
02:33:20,559 --> 02:33:23,000
fucking dog bark in the beat down, So again there

3300
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,440
is moments of like just pure like knuckle dragging, like

3301
02:33:25,879 --> 02:33:31,120
almost amure level stupidity in with kind of like freak genius,

3302
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:32,760
and that that to me is kind of one thing

3303
02:33:32,879 --> 02:33:36,079
that really endears the Canastal Boys to me is that

3304
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:39,040
like they're not afraid to like celebrate the kind of

3305
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:41,399
like more knuckle dragging elements of like hardcore and death

3306
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:43,440
cores and that kind of stuff whilst throwing in the

3307
02:33:43,559 --> 02:33:46,879
kind of like mad like scientist experimentation.

3308
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:49,639
Speaker 2: And that is just that is really fun for me.

3309
02:33:50,719 --> 02:33:52,239
Speaker 4: It's a weird thing with this record because when I

3310
02:33:52,280 --> 02:33:54,479
was listening to it, I just started writing down like

3311
02:33:54,680 --> 02:33:56,120
those moments you talk about, why it's just half a

3312
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:58,280
second of this ten seconds of that I started just

3313
02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:00,959
writing down the stuff that I would hearing, and then

3314
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:03,479
the whole time, I was going, I'm quite enjoying this.

3315
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:04,639
I'm liking this a lot more than I've liked the

3316
02:34:04,680 --> 02:34:06,559
other stuff. And I've read the list back to myself

3317
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:10,079
and I thought, that sounds shit. That album I've just

3318
02:34:10,159 --> 02:34:12,639
written down in my notes where I'm going, like fall

3319
02:34:12,719 --> 02:34:16,719
Out Boy, Maroon five for l Williams, like the reference

3320
02:34:16,799 --> 02:34:18,680
points that were coming to mind in moments like that.

3321
02:34:18,959 --> 02:34:21,280
I was going, this sounds awful. This sounds like the

3322
02:34:21,360 --> 02:34:23,879
worst album I've ever heard. And then I mean, Samon

3323
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:28,479
said it immure the ingredient that saves the recipe. And

3324
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:31,719
yet everything we've all taken notes of I think is

3325
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:35,200
in there. We've even said like the sort of attitude

3326
02:34:35,239 --> 02:34:37,879
of this band is kind of marmite in itself. As

3327
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:40,719
a combination of things, it sounds a bit like a nightmare,

3328
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:45,239
especially for an hour long but I was kind of

3329
02:34:46,200 --> 02:34:48,479
I was entertained the whole time, And every time I've

3330
02:34:48,520 --> 02:34:51,559
put this record on, I've been paying attention to each moment.

3331
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:54,600
It's never drifted off into the background. And I also

3332
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:58,120
just think the songwriting's improved. I don't it sounds mental

3333
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:01,559
and like it's all coming out of place, but it

3334
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:03,639
kind of has its own internal logic, I think, And

3335
02:35:03,639 --> 02:35:05,360
I've been listening to this shole a few times now,

3336
02:35:06,040 --> 02:35:07,520
I feel like I'm starting to get to grips a

3337
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:11,520
bit more with the sort of vibe, the atmosphere, whatever

3338
02:35:11,559 --> 02:35:13,200
it is they're going for, whereas in the past it's

3339
02:35:13,239 --> 02:35:16,440
kind of felt a bit unhinged in a slightly unflattering way.

3340
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, definitely, you can say, considering as you're

3341
02:35:18,520 --> 02:35:21,479
saying the elements that you'd write down then look back on, right,

3342
02:35:22,239 --> 02:35:26,840
it is not anywhere near as bad as that would see. Absolutely,

3343
02:35:27,399 --> 02:35:31,680
And in terms of the kind of sweeting of the album,

3344
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:33,760
I suppose, you know, about five songs in maybe I

3345
02:35:33,879 --> 02:35:36,159
was thinking like, okay, this is very maximist again, how

3346
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:37,520
is this going to meet her out over an hour?

3347
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:41,159
But then Lemon and Body Horror for Birds come in

3348
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:43,639
as a kind of like cool down pair almost, and

3349
02:35:43,639 --> 02:35:46,440
they reset the stage a little bit, maybe a little

3350
02:35:46,440 --> 02:35:49,120
bit long collectively, like Body Horror Birds is like five

3351
02:35:49,159 --> 02:35:50,879
and a half minutes long by itself, and that comes

3352
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:53,520
after Lemon. But in terms of like looking over the

3353
02:35:53,559 --> 02:35:55,799
horizon and kind of going stealing yourself, what's going to

3354
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:57,239
happen next? It does the trick, and I think it

3355
02:35:57,319 --> 02:36:00,680
always it seems to have something that wants to newly

3356
02:36:00,760 --> 02:36:02,399
put the center of attention all the time. And in

3357
02:36:02,479 --> 02:36:05,000
terms of as you're saying, keeping your interest, keeping you engaged,

3358
02:36:05,040 --> 02:36:07,319
keeping you entertained, to use your word, I agree, I

3359
02:36:07,319 --> 02:36:09,319
did the same thing. I still don't really love this

3360
02:36:09,399 --> 02:36:12,200
band's melodies myself, and it is it's such a hard

3361
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:15,920
stop and start again because for me, when they do it,

3362
02:36:16,719 --> 02:36:19,360
the guy essentially has a glee club voice right like

3363
02:36:19,479 --> 02:36:22,520
it's it's a preaming kind of you know, we know

3364
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:24,719
it was saying Disney musical fitter voice that the grit

3365
02:36:24,879 --> 02:36:26,600
just falls all the way out of it. And I

3366
02:36:26,639 --> 02:36:28,120
think of it like I never really got into a

3367
02:36:28,159 --> 02:36:30,600
band like Protest a Hero who have like some of

3368
02:36:30,639 --> 02:36:33,200
those like similar soft jazzy breaks or whatever, but then

3369
02:36:33,639 --> 02:36:35,639
a hook comes in and to me, it just lacks umph.

3370
02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:37,719
And I mean, like keep in mind, I don't even

3371
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:40,079
really love prime era Jason Butler all that much, right Like,

3372
02:36:40,159 --> 02:36:42,000
so this kind of like sort of pop R and

3373
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:44,399
B post hardcore vocal just isn't the thing that gets

3374
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:46,680
me like hot under the collar like everyone else's that's me.

3375
02:36:47,479 --> 02:36:49,959
But around the structure of the songs, I think there

3376
02:36:49,959 --> 02:36:52,680
are parts where he just stops and sings a line

3377
02:36:52,760 --> 02:36:54,440
and then moves on and I go, I don't really

3378
02:36:54,520 --> 02:36:56,120
know what that part was for, Like was that a

3379
02:36:56,159 --> 02:36:58,639
hook or is it you just kind of making something up?

3380
02:36:58,840 --> 02:37:02,200
I don't know. And there are parts where they lean

3381
02:37:02,399 --> 02:37:08,360
into actually going, here's a centralized like song basically where

3382
02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:11,399
I go, okay, right, you can you can center something

3383
02:37:11,479 --> 02:37:13,600
like that Two Headed Trout, for example, is a real

3384
02:37:13,799 --> 02:37:17,879
like the used style kind of skipping you know, pot

3385
02:37:17,959 --> 02:37:21,159
ark or song like that. And then you know Lemon.

3386
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:24,280
Maybe you think it odd what I would say regarding

3387
02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:25,879
what just about his voice, but I think that they

3388
02:37:25,959 --> 02:37:29,079
succeed when they allow themselves to like develop a feel

3389
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:32,479
a little bit more when they have this like electro

3390
02:37:32,799 --> 02:37:36,319
harsh kind of noiry pop song thing, and it kind

3391
02:37:36,319 --> 02:37:37,639
of to me it works a little bit better than

3392
02:37:37,639 --> 02:37:39,360
where he goes here's four seconds of a fall Out

3393
02:37:39,399 --> 02:37:41,239
Boys song and then I'm off, you know, and that

3394
02:37:41,319 --> 02:37:44,000
there's something like Lemon, I go, it has a bit

3395
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:46,000
more on that flamencoy edge, But it reminds me a

3396
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:47,719
little bit when Code Oorrig would do stuff like Mirror

3397
02:37:47,799 --> 02:37:49,600
on the last album, and you go, oh, here's a

3398
02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:51,479
flavor that we can sit in for a little bit more.

3399
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:53,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like I'm distracted by the moment.

3400
02:37:54,040 --> 02:37:55,799
Speaker 3: Leash is one that the really good examples of the

3401
02:37:55,920 --> 02:37:58,920
more monodic songs that has got a bit more mph

3402
02:37:58,959 --> 02:38:01,120
to it that isn't as like because I think Lemon

3403
02:38:01,239 --> 02:38:02,360
is gonna be the one that a lot of people

3404
02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:04,360
are gonna like draw to us the kind of the

3405
02:38:04,399 --> 02:38:06,280
sad moment, because it is one where they they do,

3406
02:38:06,440 --> 02:38:09,879
you know, really let things sit and it is super

3407
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:12,079
slick in its production, but I think it's still got

3408
02:38:12,120 --> 02:38:14,559
like an emotive chord to it and and it does

3409
02:38:15,159 --> 02:38:16,319
really burst life in the end.

3410
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:17,000
Speaker 1: But there are like.

3411
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:20,239
Speaker 2: Again, I'm just down for the weird slips a melodies.

3412
02:38:20,280 --> 02:38:22,120
Speaker 3: I'm down for when they actually go Okay, we're gonna

3413
02:38:22,159 --> 02:38:24,200
write a song and the ones where they kind of go,

3414
02:38:24,200 --> 02:38:26,680
we're writing up a song there, you know, two headed Trout,

3415
02:38:26,959 --> 02:38:29,719
Lemon and probably againstracked by the mod Lisa, but that

3416
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:32,079
they're they're cool kind of like pieces of the puzzle

3417
02:38:33,159 --> 02:38:35,600
where everything else is just completely jumbled and out of place,

3418
02:38:35,639 --> 02:38:37,040
and they're the moment where it does kind of all

3419
02:38:37,159 --> 02:38:39,600
just settle into place for a couple of minutes, which

3420
02:38:39,639 --> 02:38:42,520
are just nice kind of ways to resent yourself before

3421
02:38:42,639 --> 02:38:45,600
Againstracted by the Molassa comes right before you're into you know,

3422
02:38:45,799 --> 02:38:48,959
the twelve minute closer, so it's kind of like settling

3423
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:50,920
you down before the final stretch.

3424
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Detractor of the Mona Lisa is really like a

3425
02:38:54,360 --> 02:38:57,680
two thousand and four used kind of MTV song. Isn't

3426
02:38:57,680 --> 02:38:59,120
like I can see these.

3427
02:38:59,079 --> 02:39:00,360
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. That's a good thing.

3428
02:39:00,440 --> 02:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Parent I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying, you know,

3429
02:39:04,120 --> 02:39:06,000
it's not my favorite thing, but they're not bad at it, right.

3430
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:08,399
But I was like, I can see in my head

3431
02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:10,600
the fucking two thousand and four music video for that

3432
02:39:10,680 --> 02:39:13,079
song if that had come out, then you know, uh

3433
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:16,280
and I they're almost like lifelines at that point when

3434
02:39:16,280 --> 02:39:18,559
you're into your fucking you know, like fifteen minutes into

3435
02:39:18,559 --> 02:39:20,079
the record or like you know, forty minutes into the

3436
02:39:20,120 --> 02:39:22,440
record and you go, okay, cool, like here's I can

3437
02:39:22,479 --> 02:39:27,639
catch my breath for a moment scream hook wise. You know,

3438
02:39:27,959 --> 02:39:30,479
you mentioned the fucking the one where you was half

3439
02:39:30,559 --> 02:39:33,319
half half and then about twenty seconds later in a

3440
02:39:33,360 --> 02:39:36,760
different song. Oga boo boo boo, whatever it is, Yeah,

3441
02:39:37,239 --> 02:39:39,280
there's the one that stands out in tears on lambo

3442
02:39:39,399 --> 02:39:42,120
level when you just yells read it's okay, there's something

3443
02:39:42,159 --> 02:39:44,399
to grab on to as well. This is all before

3444
02:39:44,879 --> 02:39:47,760
they end on a nearly twelve minute track country song

3445
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:49,159
in reverse. How do you think they pull out off?

3446
02:39:50,399 --> 02:39:53,040
Speaker 3: I really like this because I think it like for

3447
02:39:53,159 --> 02:39:54,959
too much, Like it feels almost again kind of it's

3448
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:57,159
got that free act structure where you have the kind

3449
02:39:57,159 --> 02:40:00,799
of like patient build up in and then three mini

3450
02:40:00,840 --> 02:40:04,200
mark pretty much bang on like heaviest ball sort of

3451
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:07,399
rift drops. It's a bit slower than sludgier goes finding

3452
02:40:07,440 --> 02:40:10,920
it needs to and again like it has like bitsally

3453
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:13,479
like the samples and thing are kind of gliding together,

3454
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:16,280
like again you've got scrimplets like that you would look

3455
02:40:16,360 --> 02:40:18,360
less pretense on thirty five millimeters. It's kind of got

3456
02:40:18,360 --> 02:40:20,280
all the things you've got of the Dowboys just kind

3457
02:40:20,280 --> 02:40:22,760
of de live there and then it like you know,

3458
02:40:22,840 --> 02:40:24,760
it stops and you get the violin solo.

3459
02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:25,920
Speaker 2: To kind of take you into the final stretch.

3460
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,239
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like they nicely sort of

3461
02:40:28,319 --> 02:40:31,559
meet her out the kind of like weird shifts and turns,

3462
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:34,239
saxophone solos in there. So it's got all the things

3463
02:40:34,280 --> 02:40:36,559
you want, but it's just like spread over twel minutes,

3464
02:40:36,559 --> 02:40:38,399
which again over now, which kind of does that across

3465
02:40:38,440 --> 02:40:39,799
and now. But maybe it's not needed to do it

3466
02:40:39,799 --> 02:40:41,840
in a twelve minute song, but I guess they must

3467
02:40:41,879 --> 02:40:42,479
want to kind of sort of.

3468
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:43,559
Speaker 2: See can they do it on that?

3469
02:40:43,639 --> 02:40:45,959
Speaker 3: And I think, again, this what we're talking about with

3470
02:40:46,079 --> 02:40:49,280
that eight minute Larna Shore song. Is this order like

3471
02:40:49,399 --> 02:40:52,879
down for long songs if they are constantly throwing out

3472
02:40:52,959 --> 02:40:55,479
new ideas every thirty seconds, so it never gets boring

3473
02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:58,079
And maybe is that, but I think as a Twelvet

3474
02:40:58,120 --> 02:41:00,719
song it's so it's a cool statement when the album.

3475
02:41:01,239 --> 02:41:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree it's a cool statement.

3476
02:41:02,799 --> 02:41:05,319
Speaker 4: If there is one christism of this record that I

3477
02:41:05,399 --> 02:41:09,159
have in terms of like its structure and form, it's

3478
02:41:10,239 --> 02:41:13,040
this song kind of feels like a microcosm of the record,

3479
02:41:13,079 --> 02:41:16,559
almost like a it's trying to capture everything the record

3480
02:41:16,600 --> 02:41:19,399
does and kind of bring that back into again, which

3481
02:41:19,479 --> 02:41:21,799
isn't a bad idea. I don't mind records doing that,

3482
02:41:22,239 --> 02:41:26,680
but when a quarter of your record is basically a

3483
02:41:26,799 --> 02:41:30,280
recap of the album you've just heard. It does mean

3484
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:32,799
that I think I was reaching with this record in

3485
02:41:32,920 --> 02:41:35,280
terms of re listens slightly less frequently than I might

3486
02:41:35,360 --> 02:41:37,719
have been if it wasn't there, because I don't think

3487
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:40,600
it offers much that the rest of the record doesn't.

3488
02:41:40,600 --> 02:41:42,440
I like it in theory, and I think it's a

3489
02:41:42,520 --> 02:41:46,360
cool idea, but I think this would have worked maybe

3490
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:49,159
as an isolated song at least in a few months time,

3491
02:41:49,159 --> 02:41:50,840
and then the record just being the forty five minute

3492
02:41:50,840 --> 02:41:54,639
thing if if that needed resequencing or whatever. So a

3493
02:41:54,760 --> 02:41:56,680
very cool idea, and I think it's done well and

3494
02:41:56,760 --> 02:41:59,000
it's some of their best long form songwriting to date,

3495
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:04,159
but it makes the record slightly less replayable for me.

3496
02:42:04,840 --> 02:42:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are ambition has gotten away from

3497
02:42:06,879 --> 02:42:09,200
them a bit. I think it's beyond their execution someone.

3498
02:42:09,239 --> 02:42:11,639
I'm not saying it's a terrible result, but I was

3499
02:42:11,719 --> 02:42:13,280
quite taken in by the intro when it has these

3500
02:42:13,319 --> 02:42:16,239
like dusty guitars and drum brushes and stuff, and all

3501
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:17,600
of a sudden my brain was like, Oh, it's a

3502
02:42:17,639 --> 02:42:19,479
cot of lunar album or something. I like these kind

3503
02:42:19,479 --> 02:42:22,520
of mega songs. It does feel a little bit like

3504
02:42:22,559 --> 02:42:25,360
the actual song then could just start where it starts

3505
02:42:25,399 --> 02:42:27,120
about three minutes after that, And I think that's a

3506
02:42:27,159 --> 02:42:30,280
sort of an issue with it, because I mean, if

3507
02:42:30,319 --> 02:42:32,280
we're gonna laugh at like dream Theater for writing an

3508
02:42:32,280 --> 02:42:35,000
epic song every album where that four minutes in you go, Okay,

3509
02:42:35,079 --> 02:42:37,520
what are we doing with this song? I think, you know,

3510
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:41,120
let's be fair because I kind of I laughed when

3511
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:43,959
it crests at that kind of intense scream a bit

3512
02:42:44,159 --> 02:42:45,559
where I'm guessing there's a guest on there as well,

3513
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:49,319
and they're just shrieking, and it coalesces there and transitions

3514
02:42:49,360 --> 02:42:51,280
out with that with some chimes. It's very moody, and

3515
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:53,920
then it goes into that stupid fucking vocoder I love you.

3516
02:42:54,079 --> 02:42:55,639
I think that's the point where whatever this song was

3517
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,719
meant to be was kind of lost to me as

3518
02:42:58,760 --> 02:43:02,200
a whole. And I listened to Heck Instructions after this

3519
02:43:02,360 --> 02:43:04,360
and gosh, that laught epic song there, you know, like

3520
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:06,559
we should have had more of that.

3521
02:43:07,239 --> 02:43:09,719
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, fair enough, that's a hard comparison to make.

3522
02:43:10,040 --> 02:43:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the artistic breadth of en Ametters is really impressive.

3523
02:43:12,399 --> 02:43:14,120
I think, you know, you can make the argument that

3524
02:43:15,319 --> 02:43:17,639
in the worlds of punk at least, albums like this

3525
02:43:17,799 --> 02:43:20,920
are the closest we have the kind of the genre bendy,

3526
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:23,280
maximalist sort of albums you'd get from bands and even

3527
02:43:23,280 --> 02:43:26,520
like Faith them Are or someone. But even though again

3528
02:43:26,719 --> 02:43:31,040
I like, I was entertained by it and I like

3529
02:43:31,159 --> 02:43:33,319
the kind of intensity of it, I don't really know

3530
02:43:33,399 --> 02:43:35,840
what makes this too different from something like like when

3531
02:43:35,879 --> 02:43:37,959
Between the Burieder Me did Colours two or something like

3532
02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:40,479
where it's just it's it's not more than the sum,

3533
02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:43,639
but it's many, many, many, many many parts. Yeah, that's

3534
02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:44,360
a good comparison.

3535
02:43:44,399 --> 02:43:46,680
Speaker 4: Actually like that that tracks a lot of me or

3536
02:43:46,920 --> 02:43:49,360
someone like a band that I always sort of similar

3537
02:43:49,399 --> 02:43:51,520
to this was someone like the Ongoing Concept, who I

3538
02:43:51,559 --> 02:43:55,600
thought had great individual moments and it's some really cool ideas,

3539
02:43:56,120 --> 02:43:59,079
but sometimes you kind of put it well like sometimes

3540
02:43:59,159 --> 02:44:02,000
got Away with Themselves, I think weirdly for being probably

3541
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:04,920
the most ambitious record this that is the least I

3542
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:06,239
feel that's true of in.

3543
02:44:06,280 --> 02:44:09,319
Speaker 1: The Calistalboys catalog, because I do think they sort of

3544
02:44:09,479 --> 02:44:11,600
nail it more often than they don't on this record.

3545
02:44:12,559 --> 02:44:14,000
Speaker 4: I don't know how much I'm going to be going

3546
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:15,959
back to this come the end of the year, I

3547
02:44:16,079 --> 02:44:18,920
suspect one place in my top twenty. But this is

3548
02:44:18,959 --> 02:44:22,239
the first time where an album as a whole, even

3549
02:44:22,280 --> 02:44:25,520
if I think it's somewhat flawed in some places, I'm

3550
02:44:26,159 --> 02:44:28,799
starting to hear and see the appeal that other people

3551
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:30,479
are getting out of this, which is nice.

3552
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:33,280
Speaker 3: I think, like I'm just that cose to comparison. Like

3553
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:36,719
for me, I guess it's the concoction of like ideas

3554
02:44:36,799 --> 02:44:38,799
on this album. They're drawing on a lot more things.

3555
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:41,440
Speaker 2: I really love them. What like between the Bury of

3556
02:44:41,479 --> 02:44:41,840
Me would do.

3557
02:44:41,879 --> 02:44:44,280
Speaker 3: Is That's why for me, I'm so here for the

3558
02:44:44,760 --> 02:44:47,479
mad mix of like shit I love, WHI shit I

3559
02:44:47,559 --> 02:44:49,360
probably hate, but it all comes together to be something

3560
02:44:49,360 --> 02:44:52,079
that I find just a really fun and exciting listen.

3561
02:44:52,120 --> 02:44:53,120
Speaker 2: So I'm here for it.

3562
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:55,239
Speaker 3: But I can I can see why it won't like

3563
02:44:55,399 --> 02:44:57,680
I can this time that I love that. I would

3564
02:44:57,760 --> 02:44:59,479
not say anyone who says they don't love I'll be like,

3565
02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:02,239
you know what, fair enough because it is an odd

3566
02:45:02,399 --> 02:45:03,159
ball of a record.

3567
02:45:03,920 --> 02:45:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that I'm not as hot on this

3568
02:45:05,639 --> 02:45:07,600
as a lot of people, probably for those reasons that

3569
02:45:07,799 --> 02:45:10,559
you know, it's just not entirely on my wavelength, and

3570
02:45:10,559 --> 02:45:12,000
I think I'm sounding more down on it than I am,

3571
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:14,520
because again, I had a good amount of fun with it.

3572
02:45:14,639 --> 02:45:16,520
I was entertained by parts. There are parts when it

3573
02:45:16,559 --> 02:45:18,920
maybe want to stomp about or whatever. I think it's just,

3574
02:45:19,639 --> 02:45:21,680
you know, reviewing a second album of theirs. Now, I

3575
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:24,559
can conclude that The Calastal Boys are not my band

3576
02:45:24,639 --> 02:45:28,440
emotionally speaking, because while I find myself going oh, what's

3577
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:31,319
that several times throughout a song, throughout an album, and

3578
02:45:31,479 --> 02:45:33,879
enjoying that side of the experience, I don't think I'll

3579
02:45:33,879 --> 02:45:35,520
come back to this very much because ultimately I don't

3580
02:45:35,559 --> 02:45:37,639
get what they're trying to emotionally convey to me, you know,

3581
02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:41,079
And as a result a fifty minute album, I have

3582
02:45:41,200 --> 02:45:43,239
very little desired kind of relive that because it's just

3583
02:45:44,040 --> 02:45:45,879
falling onto the kind of look, how many different ideas

3584
02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:48,120
we have, okay, you know, side of math call that

3585
02:45:48,159 --> 02:45:51,159
for myself personally, and I can see that it's very

3586
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:52,959
much the hooks they are putting in not really my

3587
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:55,360
style of personal preference. It doesn't make me feel a

3588
02:45:55,440 --> 02:45:58,760
great deal outside of being very loud and very cooky.

3589
02:45:58,920 --> 02:46:01,520
Do the Cowastalboys haves like this is a legitimate question

3590
02:46:01,719 --> 02:46:03,479
to people who resonate with it more than me, because

3591
02:46:03,479 --> 02:46:05,079
if we look at a band like Dillinger, for example,

3592
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:07,159
they were mad and they were crazy, and they did

3593
02:46:07,239 --> 02:46:09,719
every style under the sun, but they were able to

3594
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:12,000
tie it up with songs that everyone really remembered, like

3595
02:46:12,079 --> 02:46:14,879
Black Bubble Gum and Milk Lizard and setting Fire to

3596
02:46:14,920 --> 02:46:18,399
Sleeping Giants and Farewell Mother Lisa and Prancer or the

3597
02:46:18,520 --> 02:46:21,520
Countless Faith No More songs where you know they headline

3598
02:46:21,559 --> 02:46:23,840
festivals with those songs. What are the calas Dowboys songs

3599
02:46:23,879 --> 02:46:25,840
where they're like, yes, it all comes together on that one,

3600
02:46:25,879 --> 02:46:28,239
because I think at this stage they need to start

3601
02:46:28,319 --> 02:46:29,639
tightening if it's going to stick around.

3602
02:46:30,559 --> 02:46:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think that is a fair point.

3603
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:34,920
Speaker 3: There was someone that the EP they did in between

3604
02:46:34,920 --> 02:46:36,479
the album and the stars like that's a proper banger.

3605
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:37,440
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the song was called.

3606
02:46:37,799 --> 02:46:38,000
Speaker 1: Head.

3607
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:40,440
Speaker 2: The songs have weird titles. That's why I can't remember that.

3608
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:42,159
Speaker 1: There was like there was like God Smiles upon the

3609
02:46:42,239 --> 02:46:43,920
Callous dow Boys. There was an EP like that wasn't it?

3610
02:46:44,440 --> 02:46:44,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

3611
02:46:44,680 --> 02:46:46,079
Speaker 3: That ap either one of the songs that we were

3612
02:46:46,159 --> 02:46:48,239
like that that this is like the actually banger. I

3613
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:49,799
just kind of it was called because again that their

3614
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:53,000
songs have stupid. It was like pin I can't remember.

3615
02:46:56,479 --> 02:46:59,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really good song, but their song

3616
02:46:59,159 --> 02:47:00,680
no I love. I realized this.

3617
02:47:00,680 --> 02:47:02,840
Speaker 3: Album, I can't remember the song titles of them have

3618
02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:05,239
reading in front of me because they're stupid song titles.

3619
02:47:05,479 --> 02:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what they are like obviously like one of the

3620
02:47:09,239 --> 02:47:11,879
most ambitious, widest reaching albums of the year. I do

3621
02:47:12,079 --> 02:47:14,760
get if someone really loves it. I'm not going to

3622
02:47:15,159 --> 02:47:17,559
tell someone that they're They're not accurate, they're not right

3623
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:20,239
to whatever. It's just not entirely personally come together for me.

3624
02:47:20,319 --> 02:47:22,440
But if it is for you, then let us know.

3625
02:47:22,600 --> 02:47:24,959
Great quite complimentary as well. Our next album is we

3626
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:28,440
are staying in forms of punk that are brash and

3627
02:47:28,760 --> 02:47:31,920
out there. It's Model Actress with a now called Pirouette.

3628
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:34,239
This is the second album from the band. I'll credit

3629
02:47:34,319 --> 02:47:36,879
Alistair Dunn from the fantastic band Ash and Spire for

3630
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:39,159
bringing this band to our attention last year when we

3631
02:47:39,239 --> 02:47:41,680
did an album Roulette episode with him. He brought on

3632
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:44,120
their debut album, Dog's Body, and we had a really

3633
02:47:44,120 --> 02:47:46,600
good chat about it where Elliott and I didn't you

3634
02:47:46,680 --> 02:47:49,079
know much about this band, but we were both quite

3635
02:47:49,120 --> 02:47:51,319
taken aback with what we heard with Model Actress.

3636
02:47:52,079 --> 02:47:54,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and since then, I've gone back to that record

3637
02:47:54,559 --> 02:47:57,959
loads Of all the albums that we discovered, which was

3638
02:47:58,040 --> 02:48:01,840
most of them, I think for both of us, it's

3639
02:48:01,879 --> 02:48:03,719
the one that has certainly stuck in the memory most.

3640
02:48:03,719 --> 02:48:06,559
For me, I felt the post punk moment has kind

3641
02:48:06,559 --> 02:48:11,040
of crested in the public consciousness. That album is one

3642
02:48:11,079 --> 02:48:12,840
of the best to be offered up in that genre

3643
02:48:13,760 --> 02:48:18,120
this decade. For my money, I get those songs stuck

3644
02:48:18,159 --> 02:48:20,520
in my head all the time. They write some of

3645
02:48:20,559 --> 02:48:25,200
the catcher songs of anyone in that scene. I think

3646
02:48:25,239 --> 02:48:27,520
the record's fucking great. But because I only got into

3647
02:48:27,559 --> 02:48:29,920
it recently and I still haven't gotten sick of it,

3648
02:48:30,520 --> 02:48:33,719
I was bowled over that we have a new record.

3649
02:48:33,959 --> 02:48:36,079
What feels so soon afterwards.

3650
02:48:37,879 --> 02:48:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really striking debut in terms of it

3651
02:48:40,680 --> 02:48:42,399
almost feel like a coming of age record or something

3652
02:48:42,440 --> 02:48:45,120
in terms of some of the life experiences it's talking about,

3653
02:48:45,159 --> 02:48:48,559
but in a really delirious, belligerent sort of way. Because

3654
02:48:48,719 --> 02:48:52,239
Model Actors are in one sense, a punk band are

3655
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:54,399
in one sense really like an a noise rock band.

3656
02:48:54,399 --> 02:48:55,840
I think it draws a lot from that sorde of things,

3657
02:48:56,200 --> 02:48:58,399
but that first time, I think I've got a lot

3658
02:48:58,440 --> 02:49:01,319
more buzz in like the kind of like indie critical sphere,

3659
02:49:01,360 --> 02:49:03,440
from the kind of people who like, you know, liars

3660
02:49:03,520 --> 02:49:05,479
or preoccupations or stuff like that, which is why I

3661
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:08,040
didn't really cross like my path until Alistair brought it

3662
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:09,760
to us. But this one I thought we should do

3663
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:12,600
because they're playing Outbreak next month, and you know that

3664
02:49:13,239 --> 02:49:15,239
it's it's having heard the record. It's an interesting rct

3665
02:49:15,239 --> 02:49:18,159
to be playing Outbreak on because it's less punk maybe

3666
02:49:18,239 --> 02:49:20,760
than the previous record. But I think also it'd be

3667
02:49:20,799 --> 02:49:23,479
interesting to see that's being embraced by the hardcore scene

3668
02:49:23,799 --> 02:49:26,639
because they do this sort of noise punk thing really

3669
02:49:26,719 --> 02:49:28,959
filtered through a very queer sensibility with a lot of

3670
02:49:29,000 --> 02:49:31,559
emphasis on kind of dance music and club music. And

3671
02:49:31,719 --> 02:49:35,000
that first album, Dog's Body is almost like the audio

3672
02:49:35,079 --> 02:49:38,920
equivalent of kind of the messiness of like spilling out

3673
02:49:38,959 --> 02:49:41,120
onto the streets, flitting from club to club, and it's

3674
02:49:41,159 --> 02:49:43,680
a real high of an experience, but also with the

3675
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:47,799
kind of like unpleasant, kind of somewhat kind of vertigo

3676
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:51,280
of that it's dance punk, but way way wilder than

3677
02:49:51,319 --> 02:49:52,719
what you would think of that usually. And I really

3678
02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:56,280
like the kind of hedonistic, you know, insistent with its hooks,

3679
02:49:56,319 --> 02:49:58,120
like you're being dragged out there behind him, you know,

3680
02:49:58,159 --> 02:50:00,680
with her BodyCount higher than a mosquito, but combined with

3681
02:50:00,840 --> 02:50:04,520
the chaotic, nasty side. It's kind of like just pounding

3682
02:50:04,600 --> 02:50:06,760
its way through a nightmare and a dance floor. This

3683
02:50:06,920 --> 02:50:09,639
album is a bit more as sure and a bit

3684
02:50:09,879 --> 02:50:11,959
kind of you know, it's steadier, it feels less like

3685
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:15,360
it's in the really dark atmosphere of Dog's body and

3686
02:50:15,479 --> 02:50:18,719
less unhinged and maybe more it's kind of gone through

3687
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:20,680
that experience and can stretch its wings a little bit.

3688
02:50:20,719 --> 02:50:21,239
What do you make of it?

3689
02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:25,159
Speaker 4: I kind of went it went in with no expectations

3690
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:28,000
at all because I didn't know. I didn't follow the

3691
02:50:28,120 --> 02:50:29,799
art to this record or where I thought they'd go

3692
02:50:29,799 --> 02:50:35,559
afterwards it at all. I this to me, it's a

3693
02:50:35,559 --> 02:50:39,120
funny record because on one hand, it's more danceable. There's

3694
02:50:39,159 --> 02:50:41,000
more pop on this record. It feels like there's more

3695
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:43,120
like depesche mode than there is killing Joke as it

3696
02:50:43,239 --> 02:50:46,840
was the last time around. There's more kind of dazzling

3697
02:50:46,959 --> 02:50:50,360
fun instrumentation woven into some of these songs, but also

3698
02:50:51,559 --> 02:50:56,680
it has some of the most downbeat, depressive, introspective material

3699
02:50:56,719 --> 02:50:59,920
on it, and the kind of weaves between those two

3700
02:51:00,200 --> 02:51:03,920
things in a way that on one hand you'd say, like,

3701
02:51:04,159 --> 02:51:05,799
does it really setle on a mood in the way

3702
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:07,520
that Dog's Body does wear That feels like such a

3703
02:51:08,000 --> 02:51:10,959
complete and fully realized statement that might not be true

3704
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:15,040
of this one, But I love how free form this

3705
02:51:15,239 --> 02:51:17,319
is as a follow up. It kind of takes all

3706
02:51:17,360 --> 02:51:18,680
the stuff that they would do on that record and

3707
02:51:18,799 --> 02:51:22,239
stretches it into like completely different directions.

3708
02:51:23,360 --> 02:51:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3709
02:51:23,559 --> 02:51:25,040
Speaker 3: I mean, so obviously I wasn't there for the chat

3710
02:51:25,120 --> 02:51:27,399
on Dog's Body, but I made sure to check out

3711
02:51:27,440 --> 02:51:29,280
the album after you guys spoke about it, and I

3712
02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:32,760
was like, oh, that sounds, you know, like I've really

3713
02:51:32,799 --> 02:51:34,639
got taken back by that. I think this is fucking great.

3714
02:51:34,840 --> 02:51:37,079
I mean, the vibes on this album are just super cool,

3715
02:51:37,680 --> 02:51:39,319
but the whole is the whole Postmon thing might have

3716
02:51:39,319 --> 02:51:40,520
had its day, but I think this is doing that

3717
02:51:40,600 --> 02:51:43,959
in a sort of more interesting way. You know, like

3718
02:51:44,040 --> 02:51:45,559
it's been on you know a lot of repetition of

3719
02:51:45,639 --> 02:51:47,959
the beats and the loops and all that sort of stuff, but.

3720
02:51:48,120 --> 02:51:48,680
Speaker 2: They are like.

3721
02:51:50,200 --> 02:51:53,200
Speaker 3: Mesmerizing in their sort of infectious quality, and then then

3722
02:51:53,280 --> 02:51:55,520
just kind of like mixes them in with those kind

3723
02:51:55,520 --> 02:51:57,479
of like harsher stabs every now and then. And I

3724
02:51:57,559 --> 02:51:59,520
think like Cinderella, which is I think was the lead

3725
02:51:59,559 --> 02:52:02,000
single on this I mean that is fucking amazing that song,

3726
02:52:02,239 --> 02:52:06,280
like that kind of like pulsating industrial dance be on

3727
02:52:06,360 --> 02:52:09,040
a song that's like all about exploring queer identity and

3728
02:52:09,079 --> 02:52:10,600
looking back at the past and you're kind of like

3729
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:13,520
frustrations of you know, as a child wanting this this

3730
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:16,200
Cinderella birthday party and then kind of backing out on

3731
02:52:16,280 --> 02:52:18,559
it and the sort of like frustration that pours out

3732
02:52:18,600 --> 02:52:21,440
of that. Like obviously framatically, there's a lot on this

3733
02:52:21,520 --> 02:52:23,840
album that I kind of listening to, Like yep, cool

3734
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:27,360
got on board all of that. But I think as

3735
02:52:27,399 --> 02:52:29,920
a vibe, this album is such a like cool sound.

3736
02:52:30,559 --> 02:52:33,600
And maybe it's not as kind of like exciting, kind

3737
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:36,479
of like attention grabbing as the previous one, but just

3738
02:52:36,799 --> 02:52:39,200
the air of the sound does I'm just so on

3739
02:52:39,319 --> 02:52:39,680
board with.

3740
02:52:40,600 --> 02:52:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know that they're a funny band

3741
02:52:42,239 --> 02:52:44,479
to try and just you know, convey to anyone listening

3742
02:52:44,520 --> 02:52:47,079
he's not heard them. What, like, you do you think

3743
02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:48,319
this bad will be for you or not? You know,

3744
02:52:48,479 --> 02:52:50,680
but I think you can really feel the kind of

3745
02:52:50,799 --> 02:52:54,239
industrial dance hand guiding its way through the different things

3746
02:52:54,280 --> 02:52:55,360
that they do. So I think if you're a fan

3747
02:52:55,399 --> 02:52:57,200
of like nine inch Nails, right, I mean, I think

3748
02:52:57,719 --> 02:53:00,600
throwing words around like noise rock or no or whatever

3749
02:53:00,680 --> 02:53:02,120
is a bit scary, but I think if you are,

3750
02:53:02,200 --> 02:53:04,079
then you can totally vibe on that level. I mean

3751
02:53:04,120 --> 02:53:06,600
the specific record by anyone out there that this band

3752
02:53:06,760 --> 02:53:09,120
make me think of the most is hesitation Marks, because

3753
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:12,680
there's a very similar kind of hypnotic beat production that

3754
02:53:12,760 --> 02:53:15,000
that record has. I mean, Cinderella really has the kind

3755
02:53:15,000 --> 02:53:18,159
of hitting a pipe with a stick kind of clank

3756
02:53:18,200 --> 02:53:20,360
that anchors the beat. That's I love shit like that,

3757
02:53:20,520 --> 02:53:24,120
you know, and vespers The opener is total like electronic

3758
02:53:24,319 --> 02:53:27,440
club throb. But the front man, Cole, I think he does.

3759
02:53:27,479 --> 02:53:30,879
You know, he still is in this very dour range

3760
02:53:30,879 --> 02:53:32,159
a lot of time, but he does sing a little

3761
02:53:32,159 --> 02:53:34,280
bit more on this album. The first album he spent

3762
02:53:34,360 --> 02:53:36,719
the whole time basically on this kind of verge collapse,

3763
02:53:37,000 --> 02:53:40,040
but this he has a bit more varied subtlety in

3764
02:53:40,079 --> 02:53:42,440
his approach and definitely more melody. And on Vesper's he

3765
02:53:42,520 --> 02:53:46,079
kind of hits this like repeating falsetto like eow, almost

3766
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:48,159
like a kind of nineties euro dance thing. And I

3767
02:53:48,200 --> 02:53:49,559
think one of the only other bands that we talk

3768
02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:51,799
about who have done that is Na Shakari, right when

3769
02:53:51,799 --> 02:53:54,000
they kind of land on like a nineties dancer like that.

3770
02:53:54,440 --> 02:53:59,040
And this is almost like a super underworld gothic kind

3771
02:53:59,079 --> 02:54:02,399
of you know of that where you know, Departures has

3772
02:54:02,440 --> 02:54:04,479
that feel again with a very quiet repetition of this

3773
02:54:04,559 --> 02:54:07,239
kind of dark pop. And I love the way that

3774
02:54:07,319 --> 02:54:10,600
stuff like Vespers or again Cinderella very much again speaks

3775
02:54:10,600 --> 02:54:12,159
to the nine is Nails loving part of my brain

3776
02:54:12,200 --> 02:54:14,680
of like building up and up on kind of singular

3777
02:54:14,799 --> 02:54:19,959
constant electronic beat, getting harsher and harsher scrapping metal over it,

3778
02:54:20,159 --> 02:54:23,719
but that core is always there. I think it's a sound.

3779
02:54:24,559 --> 02:54:28,159
Speaker 4: The thing that I always thought that this bands something

3780
02:54:28,159 --> 02:54:31,879
like the exact center between is the lung ZP by

3781
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:36,399
Big Black and Dead or Alive, And if you can

3782
02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:39,440
imagine the exact middle point between those two things, if

3783
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:43,239
that sounds like your bag get involved, and for me,

3784
02:54:43,360 --> 02:54:47,040
the sequencing of this record kind of shows why that

3785
02:54:47,159 --> 02:54:50,000
combination works, because the first three songs of Vespers, Cinderella,

3786
02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:53,040
and Poppy, they all move at a fairly similar tempo.

3787
02:54:53,239 --> 02:54:58,000
They're all kind of that upbeat, hypnotic, super deliberately repetitive

3788
02:54:58,079 --> 02:54:59,760
dance dance pop.

3789
02:54:59,680 --> 02:55:00,920
Speaker 1: Nois, noise, no way whatever.

3790
02:55:00,959 --> 02:55:03,319
Speaker 4: That combination we've been trying to put into words is

3791
02:55:04,239 --> 02:55:08,479
which feels like a slightly more emotionally rich version of

3792
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:10,760
what they would do on the last record, which again

3793
02:55:11,040 --> 02:55:13,000
moves at a very similar temple, but it's a bit starker,

3794
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:16,120
and it just kind of sets up that this album's

3795
02:55:16,120 --> 02:55:18,360
going to have a bit more of a palette to

3796
02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:21,760
play with than the last one. And then after those

3797
02:55:21,840 --> 02:55:26,479
three songs, when you move into something like Diva and

3798
02:55:26,559 --> 02:55:29,159
then later into Acid Rain, and it just feels like

3799
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:33,680
this band who had completely nailed that style of songwriting

3800
02:55:34,959 --> 02:55:38,159
down in tools and applying themselves to something else and

3801
02:55:38,799 --> 02:55:41,280
I think doing it as well, and doing some of

3802
02:55:41,280 --> 02:55:43,239
the best songs of their career in a style that

3803
02:55:43,319 --> 02:55:47,719
feels so totally removed, and drawing on totally different influences

3804
02:55:47,799 --> 02:55:52,040
that time around, things like Radiohead and George Harrison. It

3805
02:55:52,559 --> 02:55:54,600
feels so fresh and it feels like such a natural

3806
02:55:54,639 --> 02:55:57,040
progression despite being so different from some of the stuff

3807
02:55:57,040 --> 02:55:58,000
they were doing last time out.

3808
02:55:58,440 --> 02:56:01,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I kind of edm thing they do. But

3809
02:56:01,239 --> 02:56:02,680
I was thinking, I was like, I wonder where the

3810
02:56:02,799 --> 02:56:05,360
outbreak of this is gonna come in, you know, because

3811
02:56:05,399 --> 02:56:06,959
I think the actual guitars and stuff are sort of

3812
02:56:07,000 --> 02:56:08,959
kept more of a minimum on this, but it's often

3813
02:56:09,079 --> 02:56:12,799
so heart rate inducing and harsh with the production the

3814
02:56:12,879 --> 02:56:15,239
stuff that they're piling on poppy or the really nasty

3815
02:56:15,280 --> 02:56:18,159
moments in audience that just it makes it rattle. I mean,

3816
02:56:18,239 --> 02:56:20,440
Ring Road is probably the harshest song because that kind

3817
02:56:20,440 --> 02:56:24,239
of turned into like a no wave gabba thing like

3818
02:56:24,360 --> 02:56:25,840
that Ring Roads.

3819
02:56:26,360 --> 02:56:29,040
Speaker 3: Blow out your speakers of how like harsh and intense

3820
02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:31,399
the beats are like audience in that Ring Road is

3821
02:56:31,479 --> 02:56:33,280
kind of the most like at it moment on the

3822
02:56:33,319 --> 02:56:35,760
record where I'm like it is more agra and those

3823
02:56:35,840 --> 02:56:38,479
like noisy stabs that come in on Audience that keep

3824
02:56:38,559 --> 02:56:40,920
you on edge. And like I said that Ring Road

3825
02:56:40,959 --> 02:56:44,239
the like they're like almost like harsh static coming through

3826
02:56:44,280 --> 02:56:47,399
the beats just because they're like blared at you that aggressively,

3827
02:56:47,559 --> 02:56:49,040
Like that to me is the kind of thing where

3828
02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:50,920
I'm like, yeah, I can see a crowd like really

3829
02:56:51,000 --> 02:56:54,319
getting like moved into sort of a physical action just

3830
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:56,719
from how intense that is. And and that's the thing

3831
02:56:56,840 --> 02:56:58,959
is like them that it's kind of like almost of

3832
02:56:58,959 --> 02:57:02,040
from like steady quite proposal, but steady Beats. They can

3833
02:57:02,200 --> 02:57:05,600
just throw these sudden like stabs of noise and sort

3834
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:08,520
of explosives at you that do can like just startle

3835
02:57:08,559 --> 02:57:10,239
you into action, which are really cool.

3836
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:12,920
Speaker 4: Well, Ring Road, it reminds you that ultimately you're listening

3837
02:57:12,920 --> 02:57:15,079
to a noise rock band, which you'd be forgiven for

3838
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:17,600
forgetting for some of these souls. Because I'm listening that

3839
02:57:17,680 --> 02:57:20,319
sounds a bit like Lou Read, that sounds like Grace Jones.

3840
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:23,079
The stuff they're pulling from feels pretty far removed from that.

3841
02:57:23,360 --> 02:57:24,000
Speaker 1: And then suddenly you.

3842
02:57:24,040 --> 02:57:29,639
Speaker 4: Go, that's just Melt Banana, this dark, shadowy dance record

3843
02:57:30,239 --> 02:57:32,040
suddenly as a song that sounds like Boredom's on it,

3844
02:57:32,600 --> 02:57:35,959
And that might not be for everyone, but it certainly

3845
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:39,040
suits me. And I think just throwing in stuff like

3846
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:44,479
that throughout the record, it just doesn't because, like you said, Sam,

3847
02:57:44,719 --> 02:57:46,559
a lot of this record is deliberately repetitive to have

3848
02:57:46,639 --> 02:57:49,360
that hypnotic feel and just throwing stuff like that to

3849
02:57:49,440 --> 02:57:52,319
throw you off balance. It's so much more effective when

3850
02:57:52,360 --> 02:57:54,639
you can get sucks into these grooves that are just

3851
02:57:54,799 --> 02:57:57,559
interrupted on a dime or something that feels so left field.

3852
02:57:57,959 --> 02:58:00,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my favorite almost record maybe Diva, which

3853
02:58:00,200 --> 02:58:02,879
in terms of both the having a bit more of

3854
02:58:02,959 --> 02:58:05,600
the industrial rock side, it was fels like three Teeth

3855
02:58:05,719 --> 02:58:08,079
or something with that kind of like just really you know,

3856
02:58:08,680 --> 02:58:13,719
beefy properly menacing almost base frequency kind of drum parts

3857
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:17,680
coming in. But also you know, the frontman in his band,

3858
02:58:18,520 --> 02:58:20,479
even though he is often again almost doing this kind

3859
02:58:20,479 --> 02:58:23,000
of monotonous spoken word thing, I think he is really

3860
02:58:23,079 --> 02:58:25,280
a thing that you focus in on and the hooks

3861
02:58:25,280 --> 02:58:28,559
that he does where he's just like barely mumbling drawling,

3862
02:58:28,799 --> 02:58:30,479
like drawing it out. When he does that, I'm such

3863
02:58:30,520 --> 02:58:34,399
a fucking bit girl. Like it's a real like yeah,

3864
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:37,479
dark camp. I guess you would describe it as like

3865
02:58:37,559 --> 02:58:40,440
it's really cool, and that is the thing for this

3866
02:58:40,520 --> 02:58:42,399
record that has just like glued itself in my head.

3867
02:58:42,879 --> 02:58:44,479
Speaker 2: Departures is the one for that for me, with that

3868
02:58:45,159 --> 02:58:47,760
whole I want to be embodied. Let me be Your Girl.

3869
02:58:48,760 --> 02:58:51,040
Speaker 3: Weirdly catching sort of like they're almost like they're like

3870
02:58:51,079 --> 02:58:54,360
anti melodies, but they're just delivered so incessantly as a

3871
02:58:54,399 --> 02:58:56,639
mancha that they do catch on in the end.

3872
02:58:56,760 --> 02:58:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, in Diva, you could call me a

3873
02:58:58,399 --> 02:59:01,040
small business owner living in a well, trapped in the

3874
02:59:01,079 --> 02:59:05,239
body of an operatic diva. It's a bewildering lyric. Diva

3875
02:59:05,319 --> 02:59:08,319
ring is my business, and business is good. But you know,

3876
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:10,319
as you were saying, Elliott, the stuff that Dog's body

3877
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:13,399
doesn't really spread into songs like Acid Rain, which is

3878
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:15,959
basically a kind of melodic centerpiece, and that does sound

3879
02:59:15,959 --> 02:59:19,040
a bit like Radiohead. You know, it's kind of so melancholy.

3880
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:21,600
And I think that if you are thinking of this

3881
02:59:21,680 --> 02:59:25,600
as like an EDM record essentially, or even industrial like

3882
02:59:25,639 --> 02:59:28,479
a health record or something, that would take you off guard,

3883
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:31,000
but it also fits within the world because there's something

3884
02:59:31,040 --> 02:59:33,840
about this where even when this band are super quiet

3885
02:59:33,879 --> 02:59:36,680
and not sonically heavy, there's almost like an invisible layer

3886
02:59:36,799 --> 02:59:39,399
of kind of like weighty smog over it or something

3887
02:59:39,440 --> 02:59:42,600
pushing it down, and that song somehow is on the

3888
02:59:42,639 --> 02:59:45,239
same register as something like Diva, despite how different the

3889
02:59:45,239 --> 02:59:48,000
approaches are. It's an interesting record. I think if you

3890
02:59:48,079 --> 02:59:50,840
hear this and you want a bit more intensity and

3891
02:59:50,920 --> 02:59:54,360
more of that kind of raw noise rock sort of freneticism,

3892
02:59:54,520 --> 02:59:56,879
I would go to the previous album Dog's Body, but

3893
02:59:57,000 --> 03:00:02,079
that very like shadowy, slinky industrial quiet intensity does work

3894
03:00:02,120 --> 03:00:04,079
for me here. If you like the heaviest, gothiest bits

3895
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:07,040
of the new Lady Gagar album, go for this. It's

3896
03:00:07,040 --> 03:00:08,680
definitely more on the fringe of what T and M

3897
03:00:08,719 --> 03:00:10,879
would cover, but it's really cool and you can see

3898
03:00:10,879 --> 03:00:12,680
an outbreak in a few weeks. If you're going and

3899
03:00:12,719 --> 03:00:14,360
that name would passed you by on the bill, go

3900
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:16,520
have a scary dance. Apparently their live shows are amazing.

3901
03:00:17,079 --> 03:00:18,760
Cole has also co written one of the new Miley

3902
03:00:18,840 --> 03:00:22,959
Cyrus songs. So who knows where this band are going next.

3903
03:00:23,000 --> 03:00:24,840
We're going to move to a more kind of metal

3904
03:00:24,920 --> 03:00:27,799
and meaty side of hardcore. Now we've got Age of

3905
03:00:27,799 --> 03:00:31,559
Apocalypse and in Oblivion. This band are from New York State.

3906
03:00:32,079 --> 03:00:35,360
This is out through Closed Casket. It's produced by Taylor Young.

3907
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:38,159
It's got some familiar guest features. Even if you've not

3908
03:00:38,239 --> 03:00:40,559
heard this band before, that feels pretty tried and true

3909
03:00:40,600 --> 03:00:42,959
in terms of the particular breeding ground of hardcore it's

3910
03:00:42,959 --> 03:00:44,399
coming from, and you know if you want to hear

3911
03:00:44,479 --> 03:00:46,719
that or not. But Age of Apocalypse are a name

3912
03:00:46,760 --> 03:00:48,360
that when I saw they had a new record coming up,

3913
03:00:48,479 --> 03:00:50,319
that jumped out at me as a good reviewed choice

3914
03:00:50,360 --> 03:00:52,920
more than many of those things, maybe because they put

3915
03:00:53,079 --> 03:00:56,040
an album in twenty twenty two called Grim Wisdom. Sam,

3916
03:00:56,399 --> 03:00:57,760
you must be in on Age of Apocalypse.

3917
03:00:58,840 --> 03:01:00,920
Speaker 3: I think the Age of Apocalypse away kid. The hardcore

3918
03:01:01,000 --> 03:01:03,239
kids yearned the heavy metal apparently, Like.

3919
03:01:07,319 --> 03:01:09,600
Speaker 1: I am so glad you said that first, because I

3920
03:01:10,159 --> 03:01:12,399
I remember hearing Grim Wisdom when it came out, and

3921
03:01:12,479 --> 03:01:13,760
a few of the people who I know on the

3922
03:01:13,799 --> 03:01:15,600
hardcorese I were raving about it, and I put it

3923
03:01:15,680 --> 03:01:18,399
on and it was an instance of you guys like

3924
03:01:18,520 --> 03:01:21,239
heavy metal, like you might sneer at someone wearing a

3925
03:01:21,319 --> 03:01:22,959
patch jacket or something if they turned up to a

3926
03:01:23,000 --> 03:01:26,680
hardcore song. But but you like heavy metal because it

3927
03:01:26,799 --> 03:01:29,959
is very New York hardcore on one hand, and with

3928
03:01:30,120 --> 03:01:31,319
the kind of you know, you're a feel of a

3929
03:01:31,360 --> 03:01:33,920
vocalist doing a kind of like kind of melodic vocal

3930
03:01:34,120 --> 03:01:35,920
you can obviously go oh yeah, life of Agony, right,

3931
03:01:35,959 --> 03:01:36,879
you know, right, rightly?

3932
03:01:36,959 --> 03:01:37,000
Speaker 2: So?

3933
03:01:37,319 --> 03:01:40,639
Speaker 1: But at the same time combining that with riffs that

3934
03:01:40,840 --> 03:01:44,840
legitimately have a trad metal edge. It's the closest that stuff. Like,

3935
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:47,600
you know, we often said that stuff like Eternal Champion

3936
03:01:47,799 --> 03:01:50,079
is heavy metal made by people who bridge the kind

3937
03:01:50,120 --> 03:01:52,840
of scene between like us, power metal and hardcore. Basically,

3938
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:57,239
this is that stuff bleeding over into a more true

3939
03:01:57,360 --> 03:01:59,319
hardcore band. That's what age of a pockets right like

3940
03:01:59,360 --> 03:01:59,799
to me, I mean.

3941
03:01:59,719 --> 03:02:02,239
Speaker 3: Obviously you've mentioned some of Thames with it, but it's

3942
03:02:02,440 --> 03:02:04,479
picking up the bat on that twitch and tongue sort

3943
03:02:04,520 --> 03:02:06,479
of laid down, but where they you know, had a

3944
03:02:06,559 --> 03:02:08,719
bit more frash and golf and dooming and that sort

3945
03:02:08,719 --> 03:02:11,000
of thing with the hardcore. This is this is pure

3946
03:02:11,079 --> 03:02:13,319
swords in the air heavy metal used with your hardcore,

3947
03:02:13,360 --> 03:02:16,200
which again does then link it to all of the

3948
03:02:16,239 --> 03:02:18,200
heavy metal bands that the guys in hardcore have as

3949
03:02:18,280 --> 03:02:21,000
side projects like Champion and stuff like that. But this

3950
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:23,159
is like again, when you hit play on this and

3951
03:02:23,239 --> 03:02:25,840
the first thing you get is those league guitar lines,

3952
03:02:25,879 --> 03:02:29,760
I'm just like, you can't deny this is heavy metal,

3953
03:02:30,280 --> 03:02:33,719
more coil like that big mothereg intro, Like it's just

3954
03:02:33,799 --> 03:02:36,159
heavy met just get but it does like it does

3955
03:02:36,319 --> 03:02:39,959
just fuse that with clenched fist, knuckle dragging sort of

3956
03:02:40,079 --> 03:02:42,120
New York hardcore, and that to me is a really

3957
03:02:42,239 --> 03:02:45,079
fun kind of like battle between the two elements kind

3958
03:02:45,079 --> 03:02:46,040
of coming together.

3959
03:02:46,159 --> 03:02:51,040
Speaker 2: Because that just is triumphant and epic but so spin kickable.

3960
03:02:52,040 --> 03:02:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, to the point that this band actually have a

3961
03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:55,840
metal archive page, right, but it is like it's a

3962
03:02:55,879 --> 03:03:00,520
cool mix. Elliott, I know this flame. I don't know

3963
03:03:00,559 --> 03:03:02,159
maybe way where you would sit with it, but I

3964
03:03:02,280 --> 03:03:04,440
know you you're a big Life of Agony fan, right,

3965
03:03:04,520 --> 03:03:06,680
so kind of what do you make of this? Am

3966
03:03:06,719 --> 03:03:09,760
I a big Life of Agony fan? I swear you've

3967
03:03:09,760 --> 03:03:10,920
said that to me maybe or not.

3968
03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:13,959
Speaker 4: No Life of Agony are one of those. It's the opposite.

3969
03:03:14,120 --> 03:03:16,840
They were a band who I've won tokay for a

3970
03:03:16,879 --> 03:03:18,120
long time, but I never.

3971
03:03:18,959 --> 03:03:23,000
Speaker 1: Broke the wall with ignore what the fuck I've said? Then?

3972
03:03:23,000 --> 03:03:24,040
What did you make of this? Anyway?

3973
03:03:25,399 --> 03:03:25,680
Speaker 2: Listen?

3974
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:29,239
Speaker 4: I you were saying the thing that the twitching tongues

3975
03:03:29,319 --> 03:03:32,600
connection has just clicked something in my brain because I

3976
03:03:32,719 --> 03:03:34,440
was going into this almost like pulling my hair going,

3977
03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:36,719
Am I going to come on and say I don't

3978
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:40,040
like the hardcore record that sounds like eighty speed Meal,

3979
03:03:40,760 --> 03:03:43,559
surely not. But if you remember, we had a similar

3980
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:47,079
conversation to this, yeah, back when we talked about twitching tongues,

3981
03:03:47,360 --> 03:03:50,399
and I was sort of aghast. You guys going, I

3982
03:03:50,479 --> 03:03:54,040
don't know why. I can't explain myself. I'm ashamed. But

3983
03:03:54,520 --> 03:03:59,559
this combination of thrashing, hardcore and goth forever reason doesn't

3984
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:00,120
land with me.

3985
03:04:00,719 --> 03:04:04,280
Speaker 1: And it's an a quiet taste. Yeah, but arguably this

3986
03:04:04,399 --> 03:04:08,200
is even more honed towards me as a thing as

3987
03:04:08,239 --> 03:04:11,319
a package, and I can't.

3988
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:14,760
Speaker 4: Really work out where I'm landing with this record. I've

3989
03:04:14,799 --> 03:04:16,159
never heard of this band before, so I'm going in

3990
03:04:16,239 --> 03:04:20,879
completely blind. The thing I love about this record is

3991
03:04:20,959 --> 03:04:25,840
also the reason why I'm struggling with it, which is basically,

3992
03:04:26,040 --> 03:04:27,399
commit so hard.

3993
03:04:28,159 --> 03:04:31,239
Speaker 1: To the thing, do you know what I mean?

3994
03:04:31,680 --> 03:04:34,719
Speaker 4: Because it's not like it's a power metal alum that's

3995
03:04:34,760 --> 03:04:38,559
a bit punk or a punk helm that throws the

3996
03:04:38,559 --> 03:04:41,399
odd you know, token twin leading every now and then

3997
03:04:41,959 --> 03:04:44,600
when it's being hardcore, it is like sick of it

3998
03:04:44,680 --> 03:04:45,200
all level.

3999
03:04:46,079 --> 03:04:46,959
Speaker 1: It sounds like leeway.

4000
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:52,719
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just pure bread, beat down hardcore from

4001
03:04:52,760 --> 03:04:55,719
the nineties and from New York and when it's going

4002
03:04:55,760 --> 03:04:59,200
heavy metal, it is Sword in the Stone. Some of

4003
03:04:59,239 --> 03:05:03,639
it actually sounds helloween. I love both of those things.

4004
03:05:04,719 --> 03:05:07,000
I am rarely in the mood for both of them

4005
03:05:07,159 --> 03:05:11,920
at the same time. Yeah, I think that that's fair

4006
03:05:11,920 --> 03:05:13,799
because I think they are a quiet taste. I mean

4007
03:05:13,840 --> 03:05:16,520
even you know, I'm not personally a huge Life of

4008
03:05:16,559 --> 03:05:20,319
Agony guy. And with the type of negative sorry the

4009
03:05:20,399 --> 03:05:23,000
twitching tongue comparison, I would say there's less goth with

4010
03:05:23,120 --> 03:05:25,559
Age of Apocalypse, and they are. They're less typo negative

4011
03:05:25,959 --> 03:05:29,600
and more Life of Agony, right, But to me, they

4012
03:05:29,680 --> 03:05:31,360
kind of take what someone like laf of Agony do

4013
03:05:32,280 --> 03:05:34,479
and then cover it in chain mail. And then I go, oh,

4014
03:05:34,680 --> 03:05:38,760
I like this now, you know, And yeah, the vocals

4015
03:05:38,799 --> 03:05:40,239
and everything in the same way that someone like Life

4016
03:05:40,239 --> 03:05:42,079
of Agony might be him doing a hard because my

4017
03:05:42,120 --> 03:05:43,639
hot take about Life of Agony as they sound like

4018
03:05:43,719 --> 03:05:46,200
Volbeat and I like Vulby and I don't mind Life

4019
03:05:46,200 --> 03:05:47,799
of Agony. But you say that to a Life of

4020
03:05:47,799 --> 03:05:49,319
Agony fan, they sound a bit like Vulby and they

4021
03:05:49,319 --> 03:05:50,000
will punch.

4022
03:05:49,840 --> 03:05:52,040
Speaker 1: You in the face. But it's true, it sounds like

4023
03:05:52,159 --> 03:05:55,520
Volbeat from New York. But as they you know, take

4024
03:05:55,639 --> 03:05:59,200
that stick, a bit of candle mass or something in it,

4025
03:05:59,319 --> 03:06:01,520
and a bit of I was gonna say Helloween, but

4026
03:06:01,559 --> 03:06:07,159
I'll take it. Sure. I like that kind of strange mix.

4027
03:06:07,319 --> 03:06:12,639
I like the spinkick energy with more dramatic vocal you know,

4028
03:06:12,799 --> 03:06:15,159
melodies and you would normally expect and then slap a

4029
03:06:15,200 --> 03:06:17,399
few sick lead guitars in there as well, and I'm

4030
03:06:17,399 --> 03:06:17,680
into it.

4031
03:06:18,200 --> 03:06:22,159
Speaker 3: I mean again, like Gilded Hatred when he shang Unholy War,

4032
03:06:22,559 --> 03:06:24,600
like can you get more metal than that?

4033
03:06:24,840 --> 03:06:26,520
Speaker 2: Like and those things? Is like, I'm not gonna make

4034
03:06:26,559 --> 03:06:27,440
the Helloween comparison.

4035
03:06:27,799 --> 03:06:31,840
Speaker 3: I refuse to, but if Halloween had beatdowns, maybe Helloween

4036
03:06:31,879 --> 03:06:32,639
would actually.

4037
03:06:32,399 --> 03:06:33,399
Speaker 2: Not be a rubbish band.

4038
03:06:34,040 --> 03:06:39,479
Speaker 1: Like taking this very much like I'm sorry, but I do.

4039
03:06:39,719 --> 03:06:42,959
Speaker 3: I just want to point out, like, like the leads

4040
03:06:43,000 --> 03:06:46,920
that open in Oblivion, the people who fucking love this

4041
03:06:47,079 --> 03:06:50,479
band would sneer at those lead guitar lines in any

4042
03:06:50,520 --> 03:06:52,600
other context, and I would probably do it if it

4043
03:06:52,680 --> 03:06:57,959
was Helloween doing them. But when they're in that context

4044
03:06:58,399 --> 03:07:00,479
and you get those like that, that breakdown that comes

4045
03:07:00,520 --> 03:07:03,879
in afterwards, like ah, it's a fucking good sound.

4046
03:07:05,639 --> 03:07:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's paced like a hardcore album for

4047
03:07:08,159 --> 03:07:11,520
the most part. I think it's two minutes half an hour, yeah, yeah,

4048
03:07:11,799 --> 03:07:13,639
But the opening track is the longest on the album,

4049
03:07:14,319 --> 03:07:16,760
and that feels again a real like bringing it in

4050
03:07:16,879 --> 03:07:20,079
with this like spooked, you know, doomed kind of thing

4051
03:07:21,239 --> 03:07:23,319
where if you think about most hardcore today that's in

4052
03:07:23,399 --> 03:07:26,559
that guttural register, this sort of sounds a bit like that.

4053
03:07:26,680 --> 03:07:28,840
But then it starts picking up steam and it's more

4054
03:07:28,920 --> 03:07:30,479
kind of like up here and a bit more really

4055
03:07:30,600 --> 03:07:33,239
like had that drama to it. You've got your hardcore

4056
03:07:33,280 --> 03:07:36,040
guest features, right. Gilded Hatred has the guy from Demonstration

4057
03:07:36,159 --> 03:07:38,360
of Power on it when it goes very like knuckle

4058
03:07:38,440 --> 03:07:40,479
dracking towards the end. But I like the chorus in

4059
03:07:40,520 --> 03:07:43,280
that song that has a real like hookey, almost poppy

4060
03:07:43,399 --> 03:07:44,879
kind of bounce to it. They're kind of like borne

4061
03:07:44,959 --> 03:07:48,000
into this chaos. Like that's that's quite pleasing to me.

4062
03:07:48,840 --> 03:07:51,680
Equalizer has some of the most like barking dog like

4063
03:07:51,799 --> 03:07:53,639
gang vocals I've heard in a minute, which is totally

4064
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:56,760
from the other side of the spectrum, which again I

4065
03:07:56,799 --> 03:07:58,079
can I can see it from your point of view,

4066
03:07:58,120 --> 03:07:59,879
Eliet of like I was just enjoying a man singing

4067
03:08:00,079 --> 03:08:02,000
his melody and now I've got his mates going.

4068
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:07,559
Speaker 4: But I like it, I say, well, yeah, that basically

4069
03:08:07,760 --> 03:08:11,920
is the problem with this record that mine. It's like,

4070
03:08:11,959 --> 03:08:13,600
if I want to listen to power metal, I don't

4071
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:16,280
want someone to stomp on my head. And if I

4072
03:08:16,319 --> 03:08:18,319
want to listen to hardcore, I don't want someone handing

4073
03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:20,479
me pan pipes and being made to dance with the

4074
03:08:21,079 --> 03:08:22,239
with the bars and the gestures.

4075
03:08:22,319 --> 03:08:26,280
Speaker 1: It's like, I the thing is is I kind of

4076
03:08:26,319 --> 03:08:27,120
want to observe judgements.

4077
03:08:27,120 --> 03:08:29,280
Speaker 4: I've only managed to give this a few listens, and

4078
03:08:29,360 --> 03:08:31,719
it's possible that when this clicks, it will unlock a

4079
03:08:31,760 --> 03:08:34,120
whole new genre of music that I love that only

4080
03:08:34,200 --> 03:08:37,200
one band is doing, and in which case I will

4081
03:08:37,239 --> 03:08:40,600
come racing back to this thing's arms. At the moment,

4082
03:08:42,360 --> 03:08:44,600
those two things are just so far apart in terms

4083
03:08:44,600 --> 03:08:47,120
of like when am I going to rub my hands together?

4084
03:08:47,120 --> 03:08:47,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

4085
03:08:47,239 --> 03:08:50,920
Speaker 1: You know what I want? It's never. I'll take Halloween. Oh,

4086
03:08:50,920 --> 03:08:53,920
but if you've got hate, reed will do that. Like It's.

4087
03:08:55,639 --> 03:08:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm not in the market for both. But I do

4088
03:08:58,639 --> 03:09:01,319
applaud the fact that they I've gone all the way

4089
03:09:01,399 --> 03:09:03,680
with it and they've not been shrinking violence and taking

4090
03:09:03,760 --> 03:09:06,319
bits of from each and tried to dilute it somehow.

4091
03:09:06,680 --> 03:09:06,920
Speaker 3: It is.

4092
03:09:08,280 --> 03:09:12,479
Speaker 4: It is so gung ho guns blazing this record, So yeah,

4093
03:09:12,520 --> 03:09:13,680
it very least it gets credit for that.

4094
03:09:14,680 --> 03:09:18,040
Speaker 1: And I like that there's a second in Mortal Coil

4095
03:09:18,159 --> 03:09:20,079
after one of the big kind of harmony choruses before

4096
03:09:20,159 --> 03:09:22,680
the breakdown, where there's a tiny bit of acoustic guitar,

4097
03:09:23,000 --> 03:09:24,879
and I thought for sure for a second it was

4098
03:09:24,920 --> 03:09:28,399
gonna go all barred in the forest, and instead it's

4099
03:09:28,399 --> 03:09:30,680
a breakdown after that, which is great, But I just

4100
03:09:30,799 --> 03:09:33,120
I like that for a second it threatened to go

4101
03:09:33,239 --> 03:09:34,840
all ruin escape, and I think you don't get that

4102
03:09:34,920 --> 03:09:37,760
from demonstration of power, right, so come in.

4103
03:09:38,200 --> 03:09:41,000
Speaker 3: Like I'm here for bringing the warring tribes of the

4104
03:09:41,079 --> 03:09:44,440
heavy metal bards and the knuckle dragging moshes together.

4105
03:09:44,879 --> 03:09:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean like.

4106
03:09:47,440 --> 03:09:50,319
Speaker 3: Of that, like like, well they will they'll they'll be

4107
03:09:50,399 --> 03:09:51,879
out of the bards and steal their lunch money.

4108
03:09:52,760 --> 03:09:55,040
Speaker 2: But like abus is my family of that where maybe

4109
03:09:55,079 --> 03:09:57,399
from higher Viz comes in and just like.

4110
03:09:57,719 --> 03:10:02,280
Speaker 3: Does that like snarling orven swagger onto this like heavy

4111
03:10:02,280 --> 03:10:04,440
metal thing and you don't raise your face and time

4112
03:10:04,440 --> 03:10:07,200
to just cleanse your mind. Obviously you've got the twitch,

4113
03:10:07,280 --> 03:10:09,760
the obligatory twitching tongues, guests vocal which you have to

4114
03:10:09,799 --> 03:10:12,799
have this album because there. But I love that you

4115
03:10:12,959 --> 03:10:16,280
have that kind of like hardcore gang mentality on a

4116
03:10:16,319 --> 03:10:17,200
heavy metal record.

4117
03:10:17,239 --> 03:10:20,440
Speaker 2: I think it's such a just fun thing, two completely

4118
03:10:20,479 --> 03:10:21,639
cashy worlds coming together.

4119
03:10:21,719 --> 03:10:25,120
Speaker 3: And again, I don't think hardcore fans are gonna take

4120
03:10:25,120 --> 03:10:27,280
the right lessons from this, and they're still gonna sneer

4121
03:10:27,760 --> 03:10:30,360
at a lot of heavy metal stuff, and like, I mean,

4122
03:10:30,440 --> 03:10:32,479
it's a bit of a shame, but for like at

4123
03:10:32,559 --> 03:10:34,319
least a brief moment that it can all come together

4124
03:10:34,360 --> 03:10:36,159
on this album and everyone can have fun with it.

4125
03:10:36,280 --> 03:10:39,920
And again, like the thing is, I think the hardlands

4126
03:10:39,920 --> 03:10:42,639
are gonna be so much more receptive to this, like

4127
03:10:42,680 --> 03:10:44,600
the heavy metal coming into hardcore of this. Then, say,

4128
03:10:44,639 --> 03:10:47,040
if you put this onto the raid of a lot

4129
03:10:47,040 --> 03:10:48,799
of Meal fans, they would probably say.

4130
03:10:48,680 --> 03:10:50,639
Speaker 2: The the hardcore stuff ruins it.

4131
03:10:51,559 --> 03:10:53,079
Speaker 3: That's my heart take on this is I think like

4132
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:57,600
weirdly you could be their way around, But I'm just

4133
03:10:57,680 --> 03:11:00,360
so here for the combination as like it makes it

4134
03:11:00,440 --> 03:11:03,239
a genuine kind of like one of a kind hardcore record,

4135
03:11:03,280 --> 03:11:05,479
which for someone who fucking loves all of the me

4136
03:11:05,559 --> 03:11:07,440
and Pat's hardcore with game right now, I think there's

4137
03:11:07,440 --> 03:11:09,479
a real high bar for that sort of stuff, so

4138
03:11:09,719 --> 03:11:11,639
genuinely unique is a bit harder to come by.

4139
03:11:12,040 --> 03:11:14,000
Speaker 2: An age of Apocalypse are offering.

4140
03:11:13,760 --> 03:11:17,200
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, I think, you know, I like both of

4141
03:11:17,280 --> 03:11:18,760
the things. I think the playing is a bit of

4142
03:11:18,799 --> 03:11:20,680
a step above a lot of their contemporary I think

4143
03:11:20,799 --> 03:11:22,680
In Oblivion has a call kind of prominent bass part.

4144
03:11:22,879 --> 03:11:25,520
There's a really sweet sound. There's a lot of slayerisms

4145
03:11:25,520 --> 03:11:27,760
in the guitars, obviously when it goes metal, but you know,

4146
03:11:27,799 --> 03:11:29,600
if you're still jamming the Spirit World record and you

4147
03:11:29,639 --> 03:11:31,639
want more, you can kind of slip this in. Obviously

4148
03:11:31,639 --> 03:11:33,479
not if you're Elliott, but you know it does work.

4149
03:11:34,159 --> 03:11:36,559
I gotta go back to the Trap with Graham from

4150
03:11:36,600 --> 03:11:42,200
High VI's is so mental because that song speeds out

4151
03:11:42,239 --> 03:11:44,840
of the gate with an almost speed metal riff. Yeah,

4152
03:11:45,479 --> 03:11:48,600
and then Graham from High VI's comes in, who you

4153
03:11:48,680 --> 03:11:51,920
would expect to find nowhere near anything to do with

4154
03:11:51,959 --> 03:11:54,440
speed metal or like a candle mass part or anything

4155
03:11:54,479 --> 03:11:58,440
on swords. Yeah, and it's it's so insane hearing him

4156
03:11:58,600 --> 03:12:02,120
on anything else, because such a distinct diction and it

4157
03:12:02,200 --> 03:12:04,200
seems to live so much in that high Vears world

4158
03:12:04,959 --> 03:12:07,200
him coming on yapping on this like you've got on

4159
03:12:07,280 --> 03:12:09,520
the ship from New York to Birkenhead. It's one of

4160
03:12:09,559 --> 03:12:13,680
the most unique, like ex voice in why setting hardcore

4161
03:12:13,719 --> 03:12:15,680
features you'll ever hear. It's mad again the Colin Young

4162
03:12:15,719 --> 03:12:17,799
one is like that just makes perfect sense, but it's

4163
03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:21,120
not as like what the fuck is hearing Graham on that.

4164
03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:24,840
I think like the full epic metal ballad stuff like

4165
03:12:24,879 --> 03:12:27,399
the closing track, for example, I love the sound of it.

4166
03:12:27,760 --> 03:12:31,200
I think has songs because they are doing them in

4167
03:12:31,239 --> 03:12:33,959
these sort of hardcore structures. Essentially, they're not as like

4168
03:12:34,440 --> 03:12:37,079
fully spread the wings as you know what like an

4169
03:12:37,120 --> 03:12:39,600
actual doom metal band or heavy metal band would achieve

4170
03:12:39,639 --> 03:12:41,079
with it. I think, you know, they're not as good

4171
03:12:41,159 --> 03:12:45,120
at that as Paul Bearer or Chemists, Visigoth, whatever you

4172
03:12:45,159 --> 03:12:48,079
want to say, right, but it's the effect of a

4173
03:12:48,159 --> 03:12:50,959
hardcore band doing it with that kind of tone and girth,

4174
03:12:51,600 --> 03:12:53,239
And I just love hearing a solo like the one

4175
03:12:53,280 --> 03:12:55,360
on that last track get ripped out in a record

4176
03:12:55,479 --> 03:12:59,120
like this. It's fun. It's brutishly hard, but also like

4177
03:12:59,319 --> 03:13:02,719
well well dramatic and quite extroverted, which are kind of

4178
03:13:02,719 --> 03:13:05,200
applaud about it. It's got the soul. They have a

4179
03:13:05,319 --> 03:13:08,159
UK tour coming up in September with Balmora in support.

4180
03:13:08,559 --> 03:13:10,239
Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to the harg first in Brighton

4181
03:13:10,319 --> 03:13:11,639
for yeah, and I just heard the.

4182
03:13:11,639 --> 03:13:14,239
Speaker 1: New Balmorra ep with the Northman sample at the start

4183
03:13:14,319 --> 03:13:16,319
of it, so maybe that is the hardcore show to

4184
03:13:16,479 --> 03:13:18,559
bring your sword to. So there you go. That band

4185
03:13:18,559 --> 03:13:20,200
are called Age of Apocalypse. They're one of the more

4186
03:13:20,239 --> 03:13:22,159
unique hardcore bands you're here, which is why I wanted

4187
03:13:22,159 --> 03:13:25,120
to bring that forward. That record called in Oblivion last

4188
03:13:25,239 --> 03:13:30,000
album We're Gonna Go full Metal again with Sigeon, who

4189
03:13:30,239 --> 03:13:31,920
put out an album about a month ago, but I

4190
03:13:31,959 --> 03:13:33,959
wanted to bring it back and give it its proper discussion,

4191
03:13:34,440 --> 03:13:36,159
in part because I think it's fun and also a

4192
03:13:36,280 --> 03:13:38,520
more unique record than you might usually hear. But they've

4193
03:13:38,520 --> 03:13:41,159
also been announced as the opener on the Blood Incantation

4194
03:13:41,280 --> 03:13:44,840
Absolute Elsewhere tour with Rancy Pezuzu that's coming through the

4195
03:13:44,959 --> 03:13:47,200
UK in October. Imagine they're probably on some of the

4196
03:13:47,239 --> 03:13:49,520
European dates as well. Basically, I don't want people not

4197
03:13:49,600 --> 03:13:51,280
turning up because they don't know who the opener is.

4198
03:13:51,319 --> 03:13:55,239
So this is Sigin with Helgin Combat. They are I

4199
03:13:55,360 --> 03:13:58,719
think German Spanish band I guess primarily they're kind of

4200
03:13:58,719 --> 03:14:00,399
coming out of the ashes of a German who I

4201
03:14:00,440 --> 03:14:02,879
may have named Ropped once or twice called Necross Christos,

4202
03:14:03,200 --> 03:14:06,239
who in certain kind of very underground circles of a

4203
03:14:06,360 --> 03:14:08,840
really revered death metal band when it comes to kind

4204
03:14:08,840 --> 03:14:12,440
of late twenty and twenty tens death metal, a band

4205
03:14:12,440 --> 03:14:16,520
who produced such genuine death metal rockers as Necromantique, None,

4206
03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:19,840
Black Bone, Crucifix, and one of my personal favorite death

4207
03:14:19,879 --> 03:14:22,440
metal song titles of all time, Baptized by the Black

4208
03:14:22,639 --> 03:14:25,079
Urine of the Deceased. They're acal band because of sort

4209
03:14:25,079 --> 03:14:27,440
of how long, how long running. They were kind of

4210
03:14:27,479 --> 03:14:30,920
like pre date old school style death metal becoming really

4211
03:14:30,959 --> 03:14:33,559
trender and popular again, and so because of that they

4212
03:14:33,600 --> 03:14:36,760
also carry this real aura of, despite the playfulness of

4213
03:14:36,840 --> 03:14:38,920
what I've just said, being really like legit and serious

4214
03:14:38,959 --> 03:14:42,479
about it writing about the esoteric and the occult. Necross

4215
03:14:42,520 --> 03:14:44,239
Christas were a band who were quite known for having

4216
03:14:44,360 --> 03:14:48,479
like fifteen interludes of strange, mystical ancient music on any

4217
03:14:48,520 --> 03:14:52,280
given album. Right, they were really like putrid, obscure, deathy

4218
03:14:52,360 --> 03:14:56,000
kind of band sign carry that element on quite perfectly.

4219
03:14:56,079 --> 03:14:59,799
We've got references to things like Sumerian mythology and zoroastrian

4220
03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:02,719
is and ancient Middle Eastern religions and stuff. But the

4221
03:15:03,280 --> 03:15:05,920
riffing and the feel of the band is also in

4222
03:15:06,040 --> 03:15:09,440
a new, different sort of way, maybe even more throwback

4223
03:15:09,559 --> 03:15:12,040
in its personality. Elliot, this one's really here for me

4224
03:15:12,120 --> 03:15:13,239
and you, though, I don't know if this will be

4225
03:15:13,280 --> 03:15:16,319
your first exposure or not to these guys works Helgin Combat.

4226
03:15:17,440 --> 03:15:20,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was my first experience to sijn

4227
03:15:20,319 --> 03:15:23,040
Neck was Christos. It's a name that I've heard banded around.

4228
03:15:23,040 --> 03:15:24,719
I had recommended a couple times, but I've never really

4229
03:15:24,719 --> 03:15:27,760
gone all in. I might have heard a couple that's

4230
03:15:27,799 --> 03:15:30,200
the plan then, I mean, I was gonna say I

4231
03:15:30,200 --> 03:15:32,559
went into this blind, but it's not. I didn't go

4232
03:15:32,799 --> 03:15:35,479
because I saw the album cover, which means I felt

4233
03:15:35,479 --> 03:15:38,680
I had a pretty good idea, because you see the logo.

4234
03:15:39,159 --> 03:15:41,879
And again, if it's not been stressed enough, if your

4235
03:15:41,920 --> 03:15:45,360
logo is not just a typeface, but there are objects

4236
03:15:45,559 --> 03:15:48,600
spelling out the word, your band is good. That is

4237
03:15:48,639 --> 03:15:51,319
the rule universally applied. This has yet to fail me.

4238
03:15:52,280 --> 03:15:54,520
I like the title I liked the image. I thought

4239
03:15:54,520 --> 03:15:56,120
I had some kind of idea where this is going

4240
03:15:57,319 --> 03:16:03,000
this sort of technical black and thrash bordering on death metal.

4241
03:16:04,319 --> 03:16:07,760
I guess that's what the combination is. I just love

4242
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:13,479
that sound, like super present bass, bendy, flexible guitariffs, like

4243
03:16:14,079 --> 03:16:17,879
drums that just they just hit the spot. It's maybe

4244
03:16:17,959 --> 03:16:20,600
not the most revelatory combination in terms of its like

4245
03:16:21,040 --> 03:16:27,159
bare bones ingredients, but I think these guys make really inventive.

4246
03:16:26,840 --> 03:16:27,159
Speaker 1: Use of it.

4247
03:16:28,399 --> 03:16:28,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

4248
03:16:28,600 --> 03:16:31,879
Speaker 1: I think this record is really weird because it's super

4249
03:16:32,040 --> 03:16:34,319
old school in terms of the death metal inspirations, Like

4250
03:16:34,360 --> 03:16:37,239
it's all before the nineties, right, Like, this is a

4251
03:16:37,360 --> 03:16:40,120
record doing a thing that I personally really appreciate, which

4252
03:16:40,159 --> 03:16:41,639
is tapping into the kind of the point in the

4253
03:16:41,719 --> 03:16:44,120
eighties when death metal was kind of being born out

4254
03:16:44,159 --> 03:16:47,479
of thrash metal. And it's also really complicated. It has

4255
03:16:47,600 --> 03:16:51,040
really abtuse structures. The songs can be kind of riff mazes,

4256
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:53,760
and as a record it has that kind of like

4257
03:16:54,319 --> 03:16:59,079
gnashing like raised axe metal baniasism thing of eighties extreme metal,

4258
03:16:59,520 --> 03:17:02,959
but with the kind of like developed complex palette coming

4259
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:05,920
from age and maybe returning to that sound in the

4260
03:17:05,959 --> 03:17:08,200
present day rather than just doing an eighties worship thing.

4261
03:17:08,799 --> 03:17:10,360
Because of that, I wouldn't say this record has like

4262
03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:12,600
an especially wide appeal. I think this is very much

4263
03:17:12,639 --> 03:17:14,719
what again for a kind of a developed palette. I

4264
03:17:14,719 --> 03:17:16,840
will say this record is quite niche of what it's doing,

4265
03:17:17,719 --> 03:17:19,840
and I think it's a bit more difficult to understand

4266
03:17:20,159 --> 03:17:23,479
what it is than your average contemporary death metal record.

4267
03:17:23,479 --> 03:17:25,440
Where we go, it's gory, it's stinky, it's bloody, you

4268
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:27,200
know what that is. But I think it's worth doing

4269
03:17:27,479 --> 03:17:30,719
because you won't really hear another death record is here

4270
03:17:30,719 --> 03:17:32,239
that sounds quite like it when there will be a

4271
03:17:32,280 --> 03:17:35,399
ton doing some of that other stuff. I also think,

4272
03:17:36,440 --> 03:17:40,600
because of how thrash and heavy metal the guitars are like,

4273
03:17:40,680 --> 03:17:44,040
the riffs are not downtuned kind of rift soup. The

4274
03:17:44,159 --> 03:17:48,719
tone is super dry, but it's many of these rifts

4275
03:17:48,760 --> 03:17:51,840
you could say belong more to straight eighties thrash than

4276
03:17:51,879 --> 03:17:54,120
what you would know us death metal. And so because

4277
03:17:54,159 --> 03:17:57,120
of that, if you can get into the windy structures

4278
03:17:57,159 --> 03:18:00,280
and the kind of particular hellish esoteric atmosphere of it,

4279
03:18:01,159 --> 03:18:03,680
that actually makes the riffs a lot more kind of

4280
03:18:04,200 --> 03:18:07,200
classically decipherable than a lot of what extreme metal in

4281
03:18:07,239 --> 03:18:09,879
the following decades maybe became because the very first thing

4282
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:12,319
you hear with a really pronounced bass part, it sounds

4283
03:18:12,319 --> 03:18:15,040
a bit like megede f. Maybe in modern terms it

4284
03:18:15,120 --> 03:18:17,399
could be havoc, and that's not what you'd expect for

4285
03:18:17,440 --> 03:18:19,920
something that we're talking about with is literally when I

4286
03:18:19,959 --> 03:18:21,280
was saying, I wanted to go back and say that

4287
03:18:21,319 --> 03:18:24,079
thing I said earlier about it being technical that in

4288
03:18:24,399 --> 03:18:26,040
the realm of extreme metal, that makes the thing of

4289
03:18:26,159 --> 03:18:29,719
Nile and Cryptopsy or obscure as to pickle more modern band,

4290
03:18:30,159 --> 03:18:32,719
but not that tall. No, havoc was the sound that

4291
03:18:32,840 --> 03:18:34,719
was playing in my head when like I was seeing

4292
03:18:34,760 --> 03:18:36,840
of the time is uproof when I was describing that

4293
03:18:37,000 --> 03:18:38,559
is that kind of technicality. Well, I don't know if

4294
03:18:38,559 --> 03:18:40,920
it's necessarily super difficult to play, but it's a just

4295
03:18:40,959 --> 03:18:44,399
a bit more inventive with it's uh, you know, the

4296
03:18:44,479 --> 03:18:47,559
scales are used and that sort of thing to me,

4297
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:49,639
And I don't know if I'm reading so much into it.

4298
03:18:50,040 --> 03:18:51,600
There are just too many things on this record that

4299
03:18:51,680 --> 03:18:54,879
seem to directly point to that dawn of extreme metal

4300
03:18:54,920 --> 03:18:56,799
thing that we talked about. We did the Sepultur special

4301
03:18:56,959 --> 03:19:00,559
where those bands when they're first moving out, thrash melt

4302
03:19:00,600 --> 03:19:02,840
into death metal and black met and they're kind of

4303
03:19:02,879 --> 03:19:06,280
working out the rules as they go. And the thing

4304
03:19:06,319 --> 03:19:07,920
that I was waiting for initially listening to the TRUG

4305
03:19:08,000 --> 03:19:09,559
for the first time, I wonder what kind of vocals

4306
03:19:09,600 --> 03:19:11,399
they're going to go for, And then when they come in,

4307
03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:14,200
and not only they kind of unusual, they.

4308
03:19:14,159 --> 03:19:17,959
Speaker 4: Are so fucking loud and like front and center in

4309
03:19:18,040 --> 03:19:19,520
the mix, and in this sort of thing, it's quite

4310
03:19:19,719 --> 03:19:21,559
normal to slip those into the back and they end

4311
03:19:21,639 --> 03:19:24,559
up being just kind of part of the musical tapestry,

4312
03:19:24,879 --> 03:19:28,120
and it comes in and everything else seems to melt

4313
03:19:28,159 --> 03:19:29,719
into the background, And part of me is like, that's

4314
03:19:29,719 --> 03:19:31,399
a bit giant. That's a weird decision, Like you know

4315
03:19:31,479 --> 03:19:34,000
that this is a weird thing for this band to do.

4316
03:19:34,879 --> 03:19:37,479
And then I thought, oh, that's like best your devastation.

4317
03:19:37,879 --> 03:19:40,639
But if it was played by people who knew how

4318
03:19:40,680 --> 03:19:43,479
to tune and play their instruments, it's like they've taken

4319
03:19:44,040 --> 03:19:46,719
one of the things about that record that to most people,

4320
03:19:47,600 --> 03:19:51,079
they'd think it was a mistake, and these guys, imagine, went,

4321
03:19:51,120 --> 03:19:53,159
I fucking love that about that record. I love how

4322
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:58,159
wrongheaded it sounds. What if we did that but properly,

4323
03:19:58,760 --> 03:20:02,760
like with all these skill as we've honed, you know,

4324
03:20:02,920 --> 03:20:05,040
doing other Stars music and that sort of thing. And

4325
03:20:05,440 --> 03:20:06,719
once I kind of got my head around that, it

4326
03:20:06,760 --> 03:20:09,559
started to work out what this combination was. I just

4327
03:20:10,799 --> 03:20:12,879
I realized that thing you said about being a niche appeal,

4328
03:20:13,799 --> 03:20:14,360
it's it's me.

4329
03:20:15,079 --> 03:20:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm the niche. Yeah, it's our niche. Yeah. Because that again,

4330
03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:22,000
that develops into essentially a multi sectioned eight minute progressive

4331
03:20:22,079 --> 03:20:24,440
thresh track to start the thing, and it is kind

4332
03:20:24,440 --> 03:20:26,280
of it's like if you imagine a bunch of like

4333
03:20:27,600 --> 03:20:30,840
crusty zombie death metal ghoules climbing out of a musty

4334
03:20:30,920 --> 03:20:35,600
grave in hell playing fucking Havoc songs like it's a

4335
03:20:35,680 --> 03:20:37,840
really weird edge, and that's what made me go, I

4336
03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:39,479
want to bring this to the table for more people

4337
03:20:39,520 --> 03:20:41,879
to hear. Sam. I know that you haven't been able

4338
03:20:41,879 --> 03:20:43,639
to spend a lot of time with this record, but

4339
03:20:43,719 --> 03:20:46,239
where you struck by that very particular oddness.

4340
03:20:47,200 --> 03:20:48,879
Speaker 3: I was kind of just surprised with a hit playing

4341
03:20:48,959 --> 03:20:51,280
it kind of like swags about for a little bit,

4342
03:20:51,399 --> 03:20:53,479
that opening riff, like, yeah, when they look into that

4343
03:20:53,600 --> 03:20:55,520
sort of four four stomp on the interro. I was like, oh,

4344
03:20:55,680 --> 03:20:57,959
this is pretty like throw the horns up and then

4345
03:20:58,040 --> 03:21:01,040
again like freeming us in Onto is like quite spalling song.

4346
03:21:01,319 --> 03:21:04,559
They do just lay into that frashy death metal. I

4347
03:21:04,799 --> 03:21:06,479
kind of see where you come from. I did have

4348
03:21:06,600 --> 03:21:08,040
fun with this though, like with the kind of like

4349
03:21:08,120 --> 03:21:13,000
peculiarity of it the vocals. Actually I like that because

4350
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:14,520
I was like, oh, there's a bit of character to

4351
03:21:14,559 --> 03:21:16,319
the vocals. There's kind of doing the kind of like

4352
03:21:16,840 --> 03:21:19,760
death metal crowd, but it's decipherable and it's not, as

4353
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:21,760
you say, it doesn't just kind of blow into the

4354
03:21:21,799 --> 03:21:24,280
background and just become part of the musical tapestry. Again,

4355
03:21:24,360 --> 03:21:27,079
I've not, you know, spent malpulus in to this, so

4356
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,879
I've got more to kind of get from it. But

4357
03:21:29,120 --> 03:21:32,399
I do think there is loads of character to this record,

4358
03:21:33,639 --> 03:21:36,079
like the leads that open Religious.

4359
03:21:35,600 --> 03:21:37,719
Speaker 2: Insanity Deny Slavery, which is my favorite.

4360
03:21:37,399 --> 03:21:42,600
Speaker 3: Songe that that song, Like, I mean, it's got a

4361
03:21:42,719 --> 03:21:45,799
like big sort of groove to it, got the iaids

4362
03:21:45,840 --> 03:21:48,719
on bass groove bit the title hook just they you know,

4363
03:21:48,840 --> 03:21:52,600
get really catchy, Like that's solo coming out of complete

4364
03:21:52,680 --> 03:21:55,440
left field, being mental like that song is fucking wicked.

4365
03:21:55,479 --> 03:21:57,879
And again, I don't really dislike any of the songs yet,

4366
03:21:57,879 --> 03:21:59,559
but that's one that I could kind of immediately latch

4367
03:21:59,600 --> 03:22:02,319
on going to, like ah, yeah, no, I'm so into

4368
03:22:02,399 --> 03:22:03,360
what they're doing here.

4369
03:22:03,920 --> 03:22:08,319
Speaker 2: That I really Death Opens the Graves is it?

4370
03:22:09,040 --> 03:22:11,520
Speaker 3: That's like peak mid tem post slayer at points like

4371
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:14,040
in the kind of evil guitar leagues and it goes

4372
03:22:14,079 --> 03:22:16,879
fast and freshy, like there's clearly this kind of like

4373
03:22:17,000 --> 03:22:19,399
all encompassing love for like frash and death mol and

4374
03:22:19,600 --> 03:22:22,079
I agree it is kind of in that like crossover

4375
03:22:22,079 --> 03:22:23,959
a point where like death Moel hasn't been fully defined

4376
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:26,959
it so it's kind of just like really extreme frash metal,

4377
03:22:27,479 --> 03:22:29,319
which I think. I'm like, yeah, I'm cool with that

4378
03:22:29,399 --> 03:22:32,360
and the more vivisions made. But if that is, if

4379
03:22:32,399 --> 03:22:35,559
it's done, like right, I kind of see where you're

4380
03:22:35,559 --> 03:22:38,120
coming from with that, and yeah, no, I've had a

4381
03:22:38,200 --> 03:22:39,959
good time with this, like so if I know, I'm

4382
03:22:39,959 --> 03:22:43,200
gonna definitely listen to it beyond this review. But there's

4383
03:22:43,200 --> 03:22:45,079
just a couple of songs they're like Dak mccurs like

4384
03:22:46,319 --> 03:22:50,959
big evil leads, mid tempost or menacing points in the

4385
03:22:50,959 --> 03:22:53,600
middle of it like when they like groove, they like

4386
03:22:53,719 --> 03:22:54,719
grew really hard.

4387
03:22:54,600 --> 03:22:56,360
Speaker 2: And I'm always down for that. So yeah, it just

4388
03:22:56,479 --> 03:22:58,479
it just hits on a lot of like cool things.

4389
03:22:58,559 --> 03:23:01,079
Speaker 3: And again because they're kind of like us quite things,

4390
03:23:01,360 --> 03:23:02,600
I guess that is what makes it a bit more

4391
03:23:02,639 --> 03:23:05,120
peculiar with it's kind of where it lands in the

4392
03:23:05,200 --> 03:23:08,000
kind of like progressive death metal kind of lathes.

4393
03:23:08,079 --> 03:23:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the Slayer influence I think is more

4394
03:23:10,840 --> 03:23:12,719
like Hello Weights than you would usually think, where it

4395
03:23:12,840 --> 03:23:14,559
is kind of you know, that fiery spirit with that

4396
03:23:14,639 --> 03:23:17,520
spideriness you ever wouldn't expect even the way like the

4397
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:20,639
Possessed influences less seven Churches and more beyond the Gates

4398
03:23:21,079 --> 03:23:23,680
or the sepulture of this kind of sort of schizophrenia

4399
03:23:23,719 --> 03:23:27,639
that kind of like wiry esoteric death thrash thing, horrific

4400
03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:29,600
distortions has a bit more of the morbid Angel of

4401
03:23:29,879 --> 03:23:32,600
kind of counteract just the thrash stuff. Death opens the

4402
03:23:32,639 --> 03:23:34,840
grave ends on a breakdown. The Age of Apocalypse would

4403
03:23:34,840 --> 03:23:37,399
be would be happy with? Five Blades is another one

4404
03:23:37,440 --> 03:23:39,159
where the first groove riff is like, you know, we're

4405
03:23:39,159 --> 03:23:42,799
talking about this weird esoteric, underground death metal thing, but

4406
03:23:42,879 --> 03:23:44,360
that's like Hey, we can do a bit of metallica

4407
03:23:44,639 --> 03:23:46,840
as well, and just yeah, stomp on it. The thing

4408
03:23:46,920 --> 03:23:49,840
that it shares with Netcross Chrystos is that extreme dryness

4409
03:23:50,079 --> 03:23:53,479
that feels like setting your foot down on a path

4410
03:23:53,559 --> 03:23:55,440
made of kind of cracking bones, you know, which really

4411
03:23:55,479 --> 03:23:58,399
translates into the vocal because Malta he is one of

4412
03:23:58,479 --> 03:24:02,159
the rare contemporary death metal vocals where you really do

4413
03:24:02,319 --> 03:24:03,959
know it's him the second he comes onto a track,

4414
03:24:04,200 --> 03:24:05,479
Like to the point that I put this on for

4415
03:24:05,479 --> 03:24:07,120
the first time, I'd forgotten who was in the band,

4416
03:24:07,520 --> 03:24:08,639
and then I went, oh, fuck, yeah, it's the neck

4417
03:24:08,680 --> 03:24:10,680
was crystals guy. Isn't it like immediately because he's so

4418
03:24:11,520 --> 03:24:16,319
characterful and he has the clearest diction while being absolutely putrid,

4419
03:24:16,559 --> 03:24:19,920
just a disgusting, rotten gurgle of a voice, but really

4420
03:24:20,000 --> 03:24:23,040
pronouncing every word the chorus in the first track not

4421
03:24:23,200 --> 03:24:25,760
only does it like rock your shit when it goes

4422
03:24:25,760 --> 03:24:27,760
into that kind of halftime thing in a way that

4423
03:24:27,840 --> 03:24:30,399
any power trip type band would be happy with, but

4424
03:24:30,479 --> 03:24:33,719
the vocal acts thing of fear not the tommentor is

4425
03:24:33,879 --> 03:24:36,520
so awesome and you look down the track lits and

4426
03:24:36,559 --> 03:24:38,360
you go like, okay, trance of the Mummy fied that

4427
03:24:38,479 --> 03:24:40,680
one's gonna be catchy, you know, tracks of the Bubby Fine,

4428
03:24:40,840 --> 03:24:43,280
which also has just the sickest, tightest kind of fast

4429
03:24:43,399 --> 03:24:46,799
Slayer riffs. You know. I mentioned dak a Curse, and

4430
03:24:47,120 --> 03:24:49,479
again the centerpiece where I knew that would pay off

4431
03:24:50,000 --> 03:24:53,559
is Religious Insanity Deny Slavery, which is such a slightly

4432
03:24:53,680 --> 03:24:56,319
convoluted song title that I can't help but think about

4433
03:24:56,360 --> 03:24:59,280
eighties extreme metal from Brazil or Grease and just immediately

4434
03:24:59,319 --> 03:25:01,920
love it. But it's a pure, out and out anti

4435
03:25:02,079 --> 03:25:04,920
organized religion song and it just gets very crude and

4436
03:25:05,079 --> 03:25:07,399
very unfiltered in its anger. And that was the moment

4437
03:25:07,440 --> 03:25:08,639
when I was listening to this, I was like, I'm

4438
03:25:08,680 --> 03:25:12,200
gonna make Sam listen to this because him croaking you

4439
03:25:12,360 --> 03:25:15,079
kill other people because of minor decrees. It ain't fucking

4440
03:25:15,159 --> 03:25:18,399
holy to fall on your knees just sounds so fucking cool.

4441
03:25:18,920 --> 03:25:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's exactly it is.

4442
03:25:21,639 --> 03:25:23,360
Speaker 3: When you like, if you want just like things that

4443
03:25:23,479 --> 03:25:26,520
sound like nasty and metal, that song kind of hits

4444
03:25:26,559 --> 03:25:28,959
on that and again, but it's done in a catchy, clear,

4445
03:25:29,639 --> 03:25:32,440
concise way where it doesn't lose me like some of

4446
03:25:32,479 --> 03:25:35,520
these other bands like Might do and I think I

4447
03:25:35,639 --> 03:25:38,280
was like, yeah, cool, I'm on board with sign.

4448
03:25:38,239 --> 03:25:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think you say, you know concise.

4449
03:25:40,440 --> 03:25:43,479
I think obviously every single song exceeds five minutes, you know,

4450
03:25:43,520 --> 03:25:47,360
and they are windy structures, but the record itself still

4451
03:25:47,360 --> 03:25:50,239
feels like it has some kind of struc's to the

4452
03:25:50,280 --> 03:25:51,000
point it does.

4453
03:25:51,159 --> 03:25:53,799
Speaker 3: It does feel to the point and kind of delivering

4454
03:25:53,840 --> 03:25:56,639
that in a way that like the songs never disappear

4455
03:25:56,680 --> 03:25:59,600
off up themselves. Everything's always kind of like happening and

4456
03:25:59,840 --> 03:26:01,120
it never feels tedious.

4457
03:26:01,280 --> 03:26:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just like the ambition of just like this

4458
03:26:03,719 --> 03:26:06,000
odd album in the extreme kind of underground. You know.

4459
03:26:06,040 --> 03:26:07,479
It's the kind of death Mamata record that I like

4460
03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:10,000
to talk about because it's not doing something that everyone

4461
03:26:10,040 --> 03:26:13,680
else is doing. It's kind of organically, through its own interests,

4462
03:26:14,120 --> 03:26:17,159
found its way to It's this specific niche place that,

4463
03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:18,920
as me and Elliot are saying, is a niche place

4464
03:26:18,959 --> 03:26:21,079
that we want to live in. And it's frequently great.

4465
03:26:22,040 --> 03:26:25,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's inventive and unusual in a

4466
03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:29,000
way that's not like super attention grab in the way

4467
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:31,879
the Imperial Triumphant, you know, when you pitch that band,

4468
03:26:31,920 --> 03:26:33,479
it's very easy to see what that band are doing

4469
03:26:33,520 --> 03:26:36,840
differently this band. It's like it's just it's like, I

4470
03:26:36,920 --> 03:26:38,799
know this sort of students of the game. Like if

4471
03:26:38,840 --> 03:26:41,559
you've heard early Seplateur and you've heard the work of

4472
03:26:41,639 --> 03:26:45,040
people like Chris Poland, and you've heard Voivod and you've

4473
03:26:45,120 --> 03:26:48,280
heard early death metal things like more than Angel, Than

4474
03:26:48,319 --> 03:26:50,440
Death and all that sort of thing, you can tell

4475
03:26:50,879 --> 03:26:52,760
where these guys are getting their ideas and how they're

4476
03:26:52,760 --> 03:26:58,440
combining them, and it just again small twists, little bits

4477
03:26:58,520 --> 03:27:00,920
of eccentricity here and there, and it sounds fresh all

4478
03:27:00,959 --> 03:27:04,079
over again. Unsurprisingly, I knew this one as soon as

4479
03:27:04,120 --> 03:27:06,399
I saw that there were items in the band logo.

4480
03:27:06,799 --> 03:27:12,920
Speaker 1: But this was great. Yeah, And I would encourage everyone

4481
03:27:13,040 --> 03:27:16,239
who likes thrash to give it a bash, whether you

4482
03:27:16,319 --> 03:27:18,000
know much about the kind of cult death metal stuff

4483
03:27:18,040 --> 03:27:20,200
or not, because you might hear it and go, Actually,

4484
03:27:20,239 --> 03:27:21,520
this is for me in a way that I didn't

4485
03:27:21,920 --> 03:27:24,920
expect because machine Head aren't doing the long form thrashing

4486
03:27:24,959 --> 03:27:26,920
things very well at the moment, so why not listen

4487
03:27:26,920 --> 03:27:30,520
to Sigeon instead? And then you can catch them with

4488
03:27:30,520 --> 03:27:33,479
Blood Incantation at the end of the year Elgin Combat.

4489
03:27:33,639 --> 03:27:34,040
Speaker 2: There you go.

4490
03:27:34,200 --> 03:27:36,920
Speaker 1: That's our final review for the May review show. Thank

4491
03:27:37,040 --> 03:27:40,680
you so much that I surely that will be the biggest,

4492
03:27:40,920 --> 03:27:43,479
if not one of the biggest bags of reviews we

4493
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:46,719
do all year, because there's obviously some juggernauts in there.

4494
03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:49,920
Let us know what you think of them, let us

4495
03:27:49,959 --> 03:27:51,680
know your takes on all these records. Which ones do

4496
03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:53,680
you love? Which are the ones that you haven't heard

4497
03:27:53,760 --> 03:27:55,959
of before that you are now enjoying. That's what I

4498
03:27:56,000 --> 03:27:58,239
really love to hear, whether it be Sigeon or Age

4499
03:27:58,239 --> 03:28:00,639
of Apocalypse or even if you haven't given yet a

4500
03:28:00,719 --> 03:28:03,520
try to the Callous Dowboys, or I mean you've probably

4501
03:28:03,520 --> 03:28:05,159
heard Behemoth, haven't you, But you know, tell let us

4502
03:28:05,200 --> 03:28:07,879
what you know about these records, and thank you very

4503
03:28:07,959 --> 03:28:10,360
much for being here and listening. We will be back

4504
03:28:10,520 --> 03:28:12,520
next week with a shorter podcast than this, But this

4505
03:28:12,639 --> 03:28:15,120
is what happens when you have eight records of magnitude

4506
03:28:15,399 --> 03:28:17,959
like those ones. So yeah, cheers, everybody, will be back

4507
03:28:18,040 --> 03:28:19,840
again next time. Bye bye,