Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Paparazzi Podcast. I am Jedi, he
Speaker 1: is Mark, and we are back for another riveting episode.
Speaker 2: It is going to be ribboning.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now it is indeed. I hope
Speaker 1: all of you are well and seated comfortably for driving
Speaker 1: safe and listening well.
Speaker 2: Speaking and driving safe. I've been planning to put out
Speaker 2: this video. I put it on YouTube, but I've been
Speaker 2: planning on putting out this video of us chasing Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 2: Did you see it on YouTube?
Speaker 1: I did. I watched it.
Speaker 2: It's been long.
Speaker 1: I think it was good. It was, it was I mean,
Speaker 1: I was entertained. But you know, it's the kind of
Speaker 1: shit I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's always a weird thing because you know,
Speaker 2: I put it out as I think the public would
Speaker 2: like to see it, you know, I mean I cut
Speaker 2: off a lot of footage.
Speaker 1: It was paps I view. It was the metaglasses, right, It.
Speaker 2: Was brought to you by Metaglasses, all filmed on Meta glasses,
Speaker 2: which is why I got them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks sick to give you the full pap experience.
Speaker 2: I was on a day rate. I heard the night
Speaker 2: before about Jimmy. I think everybody heard about Jimmy. It
Speaker 2: was the biggest news. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 2: was bigger, Charlie Kirk's assassination or Jimmy Kimmel getting canceled
Speaker 2: on his show.
Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty sad that that's even a question, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Isn't it?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Like I honestly don't know which was bigger news. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and one guy just got a show canceled. Who gives
Speaker 2: a fuck about him? He's richer than all of us,
Speaker 2: you know, combined. I mean I'm talking the entire earth.
Speaker 2: Someone else got assassinated, you know, for just speaking.
Speaker 1: And I mean it wasn't even canceled, was it. It's
Speaker 1: coming back on Tuesday. It's coming back tomorrow exactly.
Speaker 2: So I want if it was just they said, hey, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: we'll let you go back if you just tone it
Speaker 2: down a little bit with the political talk.
Speaker 1: He's not going to though, is he? And have you
Speaker 1: watched Kimmel lately?
Speaker 2: I mean I've just seen clips and stuff. I haven't
Speaker 2: really watched him. No, not like all things.
Speaker 1: It's not entertaining, But none of the late night shows
Speaker 1: are entertaining anymore. They're all just horseshit.
Speaker 2: They were never entertaining, to be honest. I mean, I
Speaker 2: like Jack Fallen. He did some fun bits for a
Speaker 2: little while. You know, his stuff with Justin Timberlake, stuff
Speaker 2: like that was always funny. But he was probably the
Speaker 2: most talented out of all of them, except for you
Speaker 2: know the old school you know, Jay Leno's and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, but Kimmel, I don't think it was
Speaker 2: ever funny. And I just always find it funny that,
Speaker 2: you know, he did The Man Show for all those years,
Speaker 2: and he did a lot of questionable stuff on that
Speaker 2: Man Show. Yeah, and I mean whatever else he was
Speaker 2: affiliated with that Man Show because he would always do appearances.
Speaker 2: It was MTV, you know, he was always doing something
Speaker 2: obscene for the Man Show. And then he turns around
Speaker 2: and you know, kind of fights this other fight, and
Speaker 2: then everybody brings up the old footage of him doing
Speaker 2: all the Man Show bits, which is you.
Speaker 1: Know, so Kimmel got canceled, you got put on a day, right.
Speaker 2: And he fortunately lives on the same street as our
Speaker 2: friend of the show, Edwin Castro. So I know the
Speaker 2: sit well, I know what time he moves usually, you
Speaker 2: know when he was filming. Yeah, I had seen him
Speaker 2: come up and down the road or his people, and
Speaker 2: the one thing I did see all the time was
Speaker 2: his kind of maybe handy guy or security guy or
Speaker 2: an assistant guy, whatever the guy is. You know, he's
Speaker 2: just kind of the guy. All these rich people they
Speaker 2: have the guy. You know, it's kind of an all guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and nice easy said, same thing I've been doing for
Speaker 2: a long time. So it wasn't too bad. But I
Speaker 2: obviously got there first, and then slowly the savages started
Speaker 2: arriving and arriving and arriving, you know, and it got
Speaker 2: to be the point where, you know, we're all just
Speaker 2: sitting in our cars. We're obviously just bored on our phones.
Speaker 2: Whatever is this guy even home? Is he gonna yeah?
Speaker 2: Is he going to come out? Because we saw him
Speaker 2: leave the show the night before in a Rivian and
Speaker 2: there was no Rivians around. Fortunately. One of the drive
Speaker 2: bys we saw an Audi sitting in the house next door,
Speaker 2: which I think he owns both the homes.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, tough.
Speaker 2: Life, and so one two o'clock we see LAPD go
Speaker 2: up the street and then he started talking to the guy.
Speaker 2: The assistant guy just kind of a chat whatever. Maybe
Speaker 2: five ten minutes the cops come back down. They leave
Speaker 2: no more than about twenty thirty minutes later, Jimmy comes
Speaker 2: flying down the hill and this is up above Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 2: These are the really narrow Hollywood Hills street, old streets,
Speaker 2: old streets, very very narrow. Tons of construction everywhere, construction trucks.
Speaker 2: It's chaos up in those hills if you're trying to
Speaker 2: drive around fast, you know. So Jimmy comes ripping down
Speaker 2: his street, but then he kind of takes Hollywood Boulevard,
Speaker 2: which takes you up along through the neighborhoods. He doesn't
Speaker 2: go straight down to Sunset. He goes through the neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: And he's got the guy following, you know, and at
Speaker 2: this point he's the blocker guy. Right. Honestly, two turns
Speaker 2: into this follow because I was the first one on it,
Speaker 2: and I thought this guy was just going to stop
Speaker 2: in the middle of the road. Because one saw there
Speaker 2: was six cars seven cars behind him. I thought he
Speaker 2: would just stop right in the middle.
Speaker 1: Rod.
Speaker 2: There's no way we're going to get around him. It's
Speaker 2: a tight you could find a little, you know, a
Speaker 2: little nook to just pop into and block the whole
Speaker 2: thing and just sit there and get out and get
Speaker 2: out and let the air out of your front tire,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, an, I just said that stop see for
Speaker 1: five minutes.
Speaker 2: And Jimmy would have been gone. Nobody would have ever
Speaker 2: seen him, right, But no, this guy is glued to
Speaker 2: the back of his car the entire trip.
Speaker 1: I mean that almost makes it easier.
Speaker 2: And I kept the whole trip, I kept thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: when's this say, when's this guy gonna stop? And when
Speaker 2: he's gonna block us? You know, the guy never does.
Speaker 2: So it's first of all, it's like, why have the
Speaker 2: guy there? Just what for security purposes? To watch? Maybe
Speaker 2: to film what's going on? Maybe you know proof. I
Speaker 2: don't know, because I did hear on an interview with
Speaker 2: Jimmy or I think it was a text message between
Speaker 2: him and Corolla when he left The Mancha or the
Speaker 2: man Show. When he left his show the day before,
Speaker 2: he was being followed by a helicopter. I think it
Speaker 2: was a news helicopter. This chase went across Hollywood, across
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, down into Century City, where he finally went
Speaker 2: into a lawyer's office went down underground. All the savages
Speaker 2: go and run after him, and I don't run because
Speaker 2: I'm elderly and we've gotten shots. But the funny thing was,
Speaker 2: I'm on the follow with the Mighty Mofo right friend
Speaker 2: of the show, True Friend Show, And just like how
Speaker 2: I was waiting for the blocker to block us, at
Speaker 2: some point, I was waiting for the mofo to jump
Speaker 2: out of his car and start shing Jimmy through the
Speaker 2: windows of his car, because I know what that causes,
Speaker 2: you know, because once you see Mofo jump out of
Speaker 2: his car and he goes up to the window of
Speaker 2: that everybody now has to jump out of their car
Speaker 2: and get a shot of Jimmy at one of the
Speaker 2: lights that he stops at.
Speaker 1: Oh, exactly, a trickle down effect. Everyone's going to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he gets out, he does it. The
Speaker 2: assistant guy yells at him, tells him to get away
Speaker 2: from the car. You see it all on the video.
Speaker 2: But then everybody, everybody has to jump out of their
Speaker 2: cars or at least pull up and get a shot.
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to pull up at a signal
Speaker 2: and get up to him where I could just shoot
Speaker 2: it from my car.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he had no tint on the front either,
Speaker 1: which is crazy.
Speaker 2: No tin in the front, and he just wouldn't look.
Speaker 2: We were yelling at him, trying to be supportive of him,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I'm not supportive of him, but.
Speaker 1: You know, I wondered. I didn't think you were, but
Speaker 1: when you when you were yelling it, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't make me laugh. We love you, Jimmy or
Speaker 1: we support you Jimmy, Like, no, you don't. Mark.
Speaker 2: I know you well, and Mofo is a Jimmy supporter
Speaker 2: in this sense, so he was yelling at you. But
Speaker 2: it was funny because'm shooting him out of my window
Speaker 2: and I look over to my right and Mofo is
Speaker 2: right there and my passenger window shooting across through me
Speaker 2: through my same shot that I'm doing, which is so
Speaker 2: Mofo style, you know. So he goes to the lawyer's office.
Speaker 2: We don't see him for the rest of the day
Speaker 2: and he's gone. But the pictures are done, and I
Speaker 2: believe I probably got the only shots that you know,
Speaker 2: because when I was going through my shots, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, a lot of him looking away, a
Speaker 2: lot of this whatever, But there was one shot in
Speaker 2: there that actually looked like he was kind of bummed.
Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of looking up, kind of got
Speaker 2: his head back, and all he's doing is trying to
Speaker 2: keep his head above like an area where you you know,
Speaker 2: you can't get a shot low. And it's just he
Speaker 2: just looked a little distraught. And they love.
Speaker 1: That look, you know, Oh yeah, it look good.
Speaker 2: And out of all the pictures that I saw that
Speaker 2: came out of that follow, I didn't see him like that.
Speaker 2: And when he got out of the car in the
Speaker 2: end and the savages that got him down there, he
Speaker 2: had this huge smile on his face when he got
Speaker 2: out of the car. Yeah, it was something different and
Speaker 2: it was good, and you know, it was a little
Speaker 2: nostalgic going on one of those follows, you know, running
Speaker 2: across town, running red lights.
Speaker 1: How crazy did that follow get?
Speaker 2: Well, everybody in the chase except for two people that
Speaker 2: I had no clue who they were skying. This old
Speaker 2: Toyota pickup truck looks like he maybe moved out of
Speaker 2: here from like Tennessee or something. I'm not sure, had
Speaker 2: some blade Oakley's on and you know, maga hat backwards
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird, but he was kind of rookie ish.
Speaker 2: But everybody else was pretty good. I mean, we were all,
Speaker 2: like I said on the video, we were all joking
Speaker 2: for a position. It really didn't need to be that
Speaker 2: way because we're all just kind of it's a long follow,
Speaker 2: and we're all just kind of getting stuff here and there,
Speaker 2: and we don't need to make it dangerous for anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the block that was behind Jimmy kept, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to muscle us out a few times, which got
Speaker 2: a little awkward.
Speaker 1: I did see some really nice cars on that follow.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by the PAP cars. The Pap cars.
Speaker 1: There was a really nice Mercedes on the follow. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And what didn't make sense to me is the photographer.
Speaker 1: And again you can go and watch it on the
Speaker 1: Paparazzi podcast YouTube, but the photographer like stopped his car
Speaker 1: in the traffic, went into his trunk to get his
Speaker 1: short lens. Ye who's sitting on a doorstep knowing it's
Speaker 1: going to be a follow, and you've got your camera
Speaker 1: and your lens in your trunk, come on that on
Speaker 1: your passenger seat.
Speaker 2: Well, and he's an experienced photographer, as well. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that he would know what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And he's driving like an eighty thousand dollars Mercedes.
Speaker 2: Yeah he should have a button where like his short
Speaker 2: lengs just pops out of the center console and there.
Speaker 1: It is, right, you know, yeah, that shit's crazy.
Speaker 2: It was definitely, you know, an old school follow. That
Speaker 2: was I'm sure entertaining for everybody. Everybody kind of just
Speaker 2: congregated afterwards and kind of caught their breath and was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, just like.
Speaker 1: The old that's it. Those kind of you know, in
Speaker 1: the old days in LA you could get on a
Speaker 1: follow like that every day. Now not so much, like
Speaker 1: only if there's a big story, you know, a news
Speaker 1: related story. Right, you're not gonna get like who I
Speaker 1: can't even think of anybody, maybe like is Affleck still
Speaker 1: covered like that? No, not anymore? Right, No, he can
Speaker 1: get six or seven guys on him.
Speaker 2: I talked to another photographer that day and I said,
Speaker 2: you know, I turned to him, and he's one of
Speaker 2: those guys that just has to you know, has to
Speaker 2: destroy your point and top you every single time you
Speaker 2: talked to him. You know, if you say you made
Speaker 2: five hundred on a picture he'll say he made five thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went up to him and I said, I said, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, it felt good. Haven't been one of those
Speaker 2: in a while, huh. And he looks at me and goes,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? I'm like, what do you
Speaker 2: What are you saying? He's like, yeah all the time,
Speaker 2: like shut no, it doesn't like and he said he
Speaker 2: said he does on affleck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I spoke to the Mighty MOFO a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: and we were talking a little bit about follows, and
Speaker 1: he said he hasn't been on one where there was
Speaker 1: another car in months, Like he'll spot a celebrity and
Speaker 1: it'll be exclusive. He said. Sometimes he goes days without
Speaker 1: seeing another photographer in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And on that follow, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know how I looked from at the outside point of view,
Speaker 2: but watching the MOFOL work, he looked like an elderly
Speaker 2: driver out there on that follow. I mean, I can
Speaker 2: tell that he hasn't been on one in a while.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it was the same with me because
Speaker 2: I started out first in the follow and at the
Speaker 2: end I was the last.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I'm just but I haven't got it in
Speaker 1: me anymore, like I care, but I don't care to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm going to be running red lights.
Speaker 1: There's risk of an accident or just anything like that,
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you're on a day rate and
Speaker 1: you're getting paid the same regardless.
Speaker 2: Well, definitely makes a little bit of a little bit
Speaker 2: of patience, a little bit of skill to kind of
Speaker 2: oh yeah, now look at the light and kind of
Speaker 2: scan the light before you decide to pop the light
Speaker 2: and make sure that there's no cameras, there's no one's
Speaker 2: gonna you know, flash up your car stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that could ruin your day for sure.
Speaker 1: To get for everybody living outside of the US, the
Speaker 1: traffic lights here when they're about to change to red,
Speaker 1: there's actually a countdown for the people crossing the road
Speaker 1: so you can see, you know, nineteen eighteen, seventeen five
Speaker 1: four three two, oh fuck, speed up, speed up. You
Speaker 1: know you've got another couple of seconds as it hits
Speaker 1: one to get through. So it is nice having that countdown.
Speaker 1: I think they've got that in the UK or through Europe.
Speaker 1: Really yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's back on Tuesday, and we'll see how
Speaker 2: that goes. But you know, short lived story.
Speaker 1: It was good though, you know, it did give a
Speaker 1: lot of people a lot of work day rates came
Speaker 1: in for quite a few people on that story, right,
Speaker 1: you included so that, you know, nice to get you
Speaker 1: back working for that outlet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're still going because, I mean, he's back
Speaker 2: on Tuesday. So tomorrow's Tuesday, and they've they've put people
Speaker 2: back on it. Oh, I bet, But I just don't
Speaker 2: really get it really because he doesn't. I mean, his
Speaker 2: routine is he doesn't do anything until you know, noon,
Speaker 2: and then he drives the studio and then that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not too exciting, but yeah, all pays the same
Speaker 1: whether he does something or not.
Speaker 2: The MOFO did get backed into though, in front of
Speaker 2: me really while we were up on that job, sitting
Speaker 2: on Marmot. Yeah, one of the neighbors backed out of
Speaker 2: their driveway.
Speaker 1: Oh no, ship.
Speaker 2: He spots plenty of space too, and you know a
Speaker 2: little and this guy just comes out and he smashes
Speaker 2: right into the side.
Speaker 1: Of Oh god.
Speaker 2: So it's funny because when you look on the when
Speaker 2: you look on the video and you see more car
Speaker 2: he's in obviously in the Chevy or whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can see damage to the side of his car,
Speaker 2: which is which is kind of a symbol for a pap.
Speaker 2: A lot of those savages out there, they have damage
Speaker 2: to their car from getting in car chases and just
Speaker 2: being shitty drivers. Yeah, so that's not that's not any
Speaker 2: that's not anything on him for doing anything wrong. It's
Speaker 2: just damage that was caused earlier that morning by some
Speaker 2: dumb ass Tesla driver backing into his car.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a question for you. Yeah, have you
Speaker 1: ever gotten an accident on the job your fault or
Speaker 1: not your fault? I have not really really. My first
Speaker 1: year for the agency, I was driving a Satin View
Speaker 1: Do you remember those cars? I do, And I think
Speaker 1: it was a silver one and it had the turning
Speaker 1: circle of a fucking double decker bus. Just just awful
Speaker 1: and was on the follow. Was on a Paris Hilton
Speaker 1: follow with from Kings. We were leaving fred Seagull so
Speaker 1: we were going up is it Crescent Heights and Melrose. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just shot Paris. A bunch of us old school
Speaker 1: la So like twenty cars were on this follow. We
Speaker 1: shot Paris at fred Siegarll and she's on her way
Speaker 1: back towards her house, and then I think she she
Speaker 1: turned around and started going back down the other way.
Speaker 1: And Schwafts on the next tell to me, do a
Speaker 1: U turn, do a U turn, Jedi, do a YouTube
Speaker 1: biby do U tuh. I'm like, I don't really have
Speaker 1: room to do it. He's like, bibe, do it, fucking
Speaker 1: do it. Do it? Like ship wheeled around to do
Speaker 1: the U turn and bam, another path went straight into me,
Speaker 1: and it was it was completely my fault for doing
Speaker 1: the U turn, like crossing the double yellows and doing
Speaker 1: the U turn. And then I hear, I didn't tell
Speaker 1: you to do that. Don't tell anybody I told you
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny because you were a brand new.
Speaker 1: I was brand new, and I had to pay out
Speaker 1: of pocket, oh my money for repairs of the car.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't making very much money in my first year,
Speaker 1: although you know I was on it was basically an internship,
Speaker 1: so I was being paid less than peanuts and I
Speaker 1: had to spend a lot of money on that repair bill.
Speaker 1: And Schwapp, who was making a fuck ton of money,
Speaker 1: didn't help the rookie out.
Speaker 2: And the agency you were working for probably was making
Speaker 2: a ship ton of money too, and they probably should
Speaker 2: have just taken care of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I'm sure that wasn't I'm sure
Speaker 1: that wasn't Phs cool because he would have he would
Speaker 1: have probably looked after me. I had imagine it was.
Speaker 1: It was probably down to b lot. But other accidents
Speaker 1: I have been in, like a bunch of accidents on
Speaker 1: the job in LA. That was the That was the
Speaker 1: only one that was my full. The others were just
Speaker 1: like I'd been backed into a bunch of times, like
Speaker 1: rear ended. But that's like not on follows not working.
Speaker 1: It's just driving, like trawling around or you know, between
Speaker 1: jobs or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeahs bumped into things like that, you know, bushes, scratches,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But I've never actually been hit
Speaker 2: or hit anybody in Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I got I got rear ended so badly, probably
Speaker 1: like seven or eight years ago. And you know, I
Speaker 1: actually I was out of work for a month. I
Speaker 1: like tore tendons in my ankle and something else in
Speaker 1: my leg, and I fucked my backup as well, and
Speaker 1: I was off work for like three months.
Speaker 2: What was that on?
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the follow I was. I was driving
Speaker 1: from somewhere to somewhere. I was on Sunset by Sunset Plaza,
Speaker 1: and there were there were people waiting to cross the
Speaker 1: street like you know, zebra crossing, and I slowed down
Speaker 1: and let them go. Looked in my rearview mirror and
Speaker 1: the car behind me wasn't slowing down and just fucking
Speaker 1: went straight in the back of me at forty miles
Speaker 1: an hour. Wow, Yeah, sent me flying down the street.
Speaker 1: So La is a scary place for driving because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of bad drivers.
Speaker 2: Well, now we have robots.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, it's much safer now because the people driving
Speaker 1: the cars aren't people.
Speaker 2: Well, and the news stations, I almost want to follow
Speaker 2: the robots around. I'm probably gonna get ideas right here,
Speaker 2: but I almost want to follow the robots around because
Speaker 2: people are making cash off of videos of the robots
Speaker 2: doing things wrong.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: I saw a news report of a guy who's like
Speaker 2: in a in like a like a wheelchair, yeah, and
Speaker 2: a robot kept like bumping into them.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, what?
Speaker 2: And then there was there was another video of someone
Speaker 2: where there was a robot crossing in front of a
Speaker 2: fire truck that was on its way to a call
Speaker 2: and they had to sit and wait for the robot
Speaker 2: to cross in front of it. These are delivery robots,
Speaker 2: by the way. Yeah, so I did see the other day.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about waymos, and honestly, this is
Speaker 2: going to be a segment that we're going to keep
Speaker 2: going with here because you know, I see these waymos
Speaker 2: and there's so many of them now, Jedi. I mean,
Speaker 2: even since the last time we talked to them, we
Speaker 2: talked about them, it seems like there's twice as many.
Speaker 2: I found this move interesting, okay, you know the move
Speaker 2: where you're pulling up to a signal and I do
Speaker 2: this now because I drive an electric car and electric
Speaker 2: cars always have the advantage. Now or something else. You're
Speaker 2: pulling up to a light and there's the right turn
Speaker 2: that's open, but you pull up into the right turn,
Speaker 2: but you sit there and wait and then when the
Speaker 2: signal goes, you go and you cut off all the cars, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw Waimo do this the other day. Ah, so
Speaker 2: he the signals read, he pulls all the way over
Speaker 2: to the right. I thought he was going to make
Speaker 2: the right turn, you know. Yeah, sat there for a
Speaker 2: while and I'm like, oh my god, this thing's actually
Speaker 2: going to make the move. And I watched him. I
Speaker 2: should have filmed it, but I watched him make the move.
Speaker 2: I thought that would have only been a human move, absolutely,
Speaker 2: because it's you know, it's an emotional move, you know,
Speaker 2: it's I want to get in front of you move.
Speaker 2: I'm late for somewhere. I think I'm better than you,
Speaker 2: I think i'm faster than you. I'm going to get
Speaker 2: in front of you, right, yeah, So how is the
Speaker 2: robot making that decision? They are old wing, they are
Speaker 2: everybody and their mother came out in favor of Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I love people.
Speaker 2: I mean the last thing I heard was like Tom Hanks,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston, Martha Stewart, something like that. It almost seemed
Speaker 2: like the entirety of Hollywood came out for Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 2: in this sense, and a lot of people got canceled, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see it any different than these
Speaker 2: teachers that were showing footage or talking shit and then
Speaker 2: they got fired, or you know somebody else that was
Speaker 2: in a job that said something wrong and then they
Speaker 2: were fired. I don't see it any as any different.
Speaker 2: What do you think about all these celebrities obviously not
Speaker 2: saying anything for Charlie Kirk, but also you know, come out.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot did come out and talk about Charlie.
Speaker 1: I think Chris Pratt came out and a lot of
Speaker 1: them paid their respects to Charlie. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of them did, but and obviously a lot of them didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you've got you've got the guy who
Speaker 2: dies of old age, you know, he dies five years old,
Speaker 2: and he dies, and you have to make your tribute to,
Speaker 2: you know, from from either side or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: Chris Pratt obviously.
Speaker 1: Middle Republica, all of the Republican non Republican celebrities basically
Speaker 1: came out and paid their respects to Charlie, and all
Speaker 1: the others didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I don't understand why that, you know,
Speaker 2: because this is obviously something that's different than just you know,
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman dying or something like that. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not the same. It's a different thing. Like in
Speaker 2: an assassination. You would think that everybody just kind of
Speaker 2: has to come out to say, hey, this is wrong, right.
Speaker 1: I think so, regardless of whether they lean to the
Speaker 1: left or lean to the right. Yeah, it's a young
Speaker 1: man dying. Yeah, there's way too early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's there is a line that you need
Speaker 2: to eventually cross that would cause everybody to kind of
Speaker 2: unite in this whole thing. But what I also found
Speaker 2: interesting was, you know, his I didn't watch his memorial.
Speaker 2: I just watched highlights from the memorial. But I've heard
Speaker 2: interviews from people, and I've heard a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: about it since then. And there was what over two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people that came to this thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we're talking all the heads of states at this point, right,
Speaker 2: because everybody's right wing and Republican and stuff like that. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Not one person from either Hollywood or the left or
Speaker 2: the Hollywood left or anything at the memorial. Did you
Speaker 2: see anything?
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it, but I mean, did you hear
Speaker 1: anything about it? Like? No, To be honest, I've been
Speaker 1: so busy the last couple of days, I've not even
Speaker 1: been on the websites.
Speaker 2: Well, We're going to get into that in the second
Speaker 2: half here, so well, So what I'm saying is, you know,
Speaker 2: this was obviously a big deal. It's an assassination it's
Speaker 2: an assassination of an innocent person, respectively, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: not one, like, not one person from Hollywood left or
Speaker 2: influential left could just show up to this memorial and
Speaker 2: just show some support, or maybe like five or six
Speaker 2: of them kind of get together and say, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, we should show up to this thing just
Speaker 2: to show a little bit of unity somewhere because of
Speaker 2: this act can't happen again, Like it shouldn't be happening, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Oh, absolutely, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I just thought that was really disappointing, you know, like
Speaker 2: of all of Hollywood. You know, we're talking hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of people, and you saw the people that came
Speaker 2: out in favor of Jimmy and his whole show. Not
Speaker 2: one of those people. And I don't care about messages
Speaker 2: or whatever. This is the memorial two hundred something thousand
Speaker 2: people televised. Nobody, not one person. Yeah, that kind of
Speaker 2: worries me, you know, it worries me that the division,
Speaker 2: especially in Hollywood is like that. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's not just Hollywood, is It's it's.
Speaker 1: All over the country and the world.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back with Jedi's journeys.
Speaker 1: So Part two takes us the Delaware, Delaware home. Delaware
Speaker 1: is that Wilmington, Delaware, the home of former President Joseph Biden.
Speaker 3: It starts on a Friday afternoon when nothing happens apart
Speaker 3: from me flying into town. It takes us to Saturday
Speaker 3: when Joe Biden attends a Saturday evening church service.
Speaker 1: Five pm. To be exact, Jedi shows up at four pm,
Speaker 1: nice and early to do a rekie. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: am assigned to try and photograph Joe Biden after some
Speaker 1: pictures or some video came out of the week prior
Speaker 1: with him with a big old scar on his forehead.
Speaker 1: So I got the task of going down to Delaware.
Speaker 1: And I know from working Joe in previous places that
Speaker 1: he likes to attend a Saturday early evening church service,
Speaker 1: and this one was It was a five pm service.
Speaker 1: I got there at four to do the full WRECKI
Speaker 1: and with president's ex presidents, anyone that has secret service,
Speaker 1: you make yourself very aware to the secret service. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be putting your hand in a bag
Speaker 1: to get your camera and then thinking you're reaching in
Speaker 1: for a firearm and you get your head blown.
Speaker 2: Off, especially.
Speaker 1: Especially these days. So I said, I got there nice
Speaker 1: and early. About about four point thirty, the Service rocked
Speaker 1: up to you know, do their wreki on the place
Speaker 1: as well. I lifted my camera up, gave them a
Speaker 1: big wave, you know, pointed to my camera and just
Speaker 1: got the nod of acknowledgment. They knew, they knew who
Speaker 1: I was. Five o'clock rolled round and there was no
Speaker 1: sign of Biden, so I was a little worried. But
Speaker 1: as his service were already there, you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of figured he was still coming. So at five past
Speaker 1: five he rolled up and he was met by the
Speaker 1: Secret Service, and he was driven obviously by the Secret
Speaker 1: Service too. It was a two car entourage, so Biden
Speaker 1: was in the front car, more Service were in the
Speaker 1: second car, and as he was met, it would have
Speaker 1: been you know, it's supposed to be a nice walk
Speaker 1: to the church through the gravestones, and the frame I
Speaker 1: wanted was Biden alone surrounded by gravestones. Great frame. Anam
Speaker 1: Canum actually got it like a few months back after
Speaker 1: the cancer diagnosis, so that was the frame I wanted.
Speaker 1: But he was met by more Secret Service guys there
Speaker 1: who walked right next to him, kind of blocking my
Speaker 1: frame the whole way. I just got like a crappy
Speaker 1: side view of his face. But I figured, hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, at least i'll get it when he comes out,
Speaker 1: because there's no way they're going to try and block
Speaker 1: my shot again. So he turned up five minutes late
Speaker 1: for service and left fifteen minutes early before the end
Speaker 1: of it out of a side door. I still saw
Speaker 1: them leaving, but he was blocked by the same Secret
Speaker 1: Service guy the whole way. But when they turned to
Speaker 1: get back to the cars, I had it down the
Speaker 1: barrel full length. So it was nice. I still got something,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't wasn't the frame I wanted, and you know,
Speaker 1: the client was happy, but they still wanted him out
Speaker 1: and about. They didn't just want him at church. They
Speaker 1: want to see what Joe gets up to. So that
Speaker 1: was on the Saturday. So I went back on the Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I think it was about ten o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: The same two cars came out, so actually I did
Speaker 1: get on follow and this was discrete as well. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be too discrete because, like I say,
Speaker 1: with the Secret Service and presidents. You want them to
Speaker 1: know you're there and that you're not a threat. So
Speaker 1: I followed the car for like thirty minutes and it
Speaker 1: went It went to a spin class. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no way this is going to be Joe, and
Speaker 1: it was. It was Jill. Jill got out and it
Speaker 1: was actually it was a really really crappy day, pouring
Speaker 1: with rain, just miserable, so there were no frames going in.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was still kind of discreete and
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure whether they had seen me or not.
Speaker 1: It turns out they hadn't seen me. So I photographed
Speaker 1: Jill Biden leaving, leaving her spin class, and I followed
Speaker 1: it back to the house. And by then the company
Speaker 1: the paper I was on for wanted the pictures over,
Speaker 1: so they'd already had the church pictures which they held
Speaker 1: onto from the day before, and they added in the
Speaker 1: Jill Biden set to the church set, and they put
Speaker 1: it up maybe an hour after I shot it, so
Speaker 1: then I knew that they were aware that I was
Speaker 1: actually sitting on the house and working the house. In
Speaker 1: about three o'clock, the two cars came out again, but
Speaker 1: this time a third car came out with them, and
Speaker 1: the third car parked right in front of me and
Speaker 1: blocked me from leaving. Wow, a light had changed and
Speaker 1: the third car left, so I caught up with the cars,
Speaker 1: and then another car showed up and blocked me from
Speaker 1: going off of the freeway exit that they exited on.
Speaker 1: I read that Joe Biden basically does everything in this
Speaker 1: one town, like right by his house, so he's not
Speaker 1: going to venture too far. So I've had, like I've
Speaker 1: been told, a store that he likes to shop at
Speaker 1: and another place where he likes to get coffee. So
Speaker 1: I checked both of those places out nothing, And as
Speaker 1: I'm just driving around the town, I spot the two
Speaker 1: Secret Service cars backed up in a grocery store parking lot.
Speaker 1: So I drove around to the grocery store, parked at
Speaker 1: the grocery store, got out of the car, had my
Speaker 1: camera ready, Like I said, I don't want them to
Speaker 1: think I'm a threat. I could tell he was in
Speaker 1: the grocery store just by the way the cars were parked.
Speaker 1: Then the third car that blocked me earlier came back
Speaker 1: into the parking lot and parked so close to my
Speaker 1: car that there was no way I could get back
Speaker 1: in my car to follow. If I wanted to follow,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get in the car. Parked so close to
Speaker 1: my door that not even like a piece of cardboard
Speaker 1: could get into my car by way like ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. And at this point I wasn't sure whether
Speaker 1: it was Joe or Jill, or Joe and Jill or
Speaker 1: Jill and Joe, But it turns out it was just
Speaker 1: it was it was Biden. It was just Joe who
Speaker 1: had gone to the grocery store to pick up a
Speaker 1: couple of bits and pieces. He came out with his
Speaker 1: grocery list of a bag and did his this kind
Speaker 1: of shuffle, spoke to some boy scouts, posed for some
Speaker 1: pictures with them, got back in the car, and went
Speaker 1: back on his merry way, and that was the end
Speaker 1: of my assignment. It was. It was a nice one.
Speaker 1: It's always an absolute pleasure to shoot anybody that has
Speaker 1: been or is a president, love them or hate them.
Speaker 1: It's it's still very cool to be able to get
Speaker 1: that close and shoot history. I guess even if I
Speaker 1: just fucking grocery shopping, it's still like iconic. And yes,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I I mean I come from a time
Speaker 2: where obviously people were in favor or posed to whatever
Speaker 2: president and their policies and stuff like that. But as
Speaker 2: a kid and growing into you know, an adult probably
Speaker 2: and it's probably twenties, maybe my thirties, you still were
Speaker 2: in awe or respected or had you know, respect for
Speaker 2: the sitting president no matter who. Yeah, like policies weren't
Speaker 2: that big of a deal. So seeing a Joe Biden
Speaker 2: on the street or something like that, obviously I would
Speaker 2: still feel even though I totally disagreed with everything he
Speaker 2: did pretty much throughout his presidency, I would still think
Speaker 2: of the guy as you know, respectful and live and presidential.
Speaker 2: So I don't know where that's gone. So the security
Speaker 2: precautions are crazy now. We're at a point now where
Speaker 2: there's literally assassinations. So I think about it when I'm
Speaker 2: on the job. Obviously you're thinking about it when you're
Speaker 2: on the job, especially when you're around secret Service making
Speaker 2: yourself known. You know, normally we wouldn't have to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, five ten years ago, we would just sit
Speaker 2: in our cars, wait for the opportunity and just pop
Speaker 2: out and get some shuts, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, crack crack a window, you know, leaving up
Speaker 1: room to get you know, a clean frame, not through
Speaker 1: it tin and just just bosh away unbenownst to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean even today I was on just
Speaker 2: a low budget movie set, just checking out what was
Speaker 2: going on on the set, and you know, the way
Speaker 2: I was kind of creeping around in my car made
Speaker 2: me feel like, you know, if there's someone looking out
Speaker 2: their window right now, or if there's a guy walking
Speaker 2: down the street, you know, everybody's kind of hyper sensitive,
Speaker 2: hyper alert on what's going on around. They're gonna look
Speaker 2: at what They're gonna be like, what's this guy doing here?
Speaker 2: What's this guy doing? Or when I'm walking around with
Speaker 2: my Trader Joe's bag with my camera in it, you know,
Speaker 2: in that bag, why is he on this corner? Why
Speaker 2: is he standing there staring across the street.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, absolutely, Oh it is kind.
Speaker 2: Of tough for us. And I mean these days, you know,
Speaker 2: like I go to reach or you go to reach
Speaker 2: into your bag. Who knows who's around armed and thinking
Speaker 2: that we're going to do something weird, which we are,
Speaker 2: like we're literally about to shoot somebody. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 2: shooting them to kill them. We're just shooting them with
Speaker 2: a game. But it's the same move, you know, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 2: move to grab a gun or to grab a camera,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that this leads me nicely into the next story.
Speaker 1: I was given the task of trying to photograph Galainne
Speaker 1: Is laying Julane Maxwell. You know, I was the last person.
Speaker 1: I was the first person to photographer in Tallahassee in prison.
Speaker 1: I was the last person to photographer in Tallahassee in prison.
Speaker 1: And when she was moved to the new facility in
Speaker 1: Brian Texas, I had four different phone calls for me
Speaker 1: to go and get her there, but I was on
Speaker 1: another job in Nantucket. I know, she's like your Sweeney
Speaker 1: cell mate exactly. I know of five six photographers that
Speaker 1: have had gone down to Brian Texas when she was
Speaker 1: first incarcerated there, and you know, none of them were
Speaker 1: lucky enough to get a thing, you know. I know
Speaker 1: that when she was first put in there. The guys,
Speaker 1: my friends that went to do it are discrete photographers
Speaker 1: that you know, on any day of the week can
Speaker 1: get their job done. But they arrived to Byron, Texas
Speaker 1: and there were locals there standing outside their cars with
Speaker 1: their cameras out. Not very discreet and you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to get a high profile inmate when security guards
Speaker 1: and everybody know you're there. And this is the same
Speaker 1: prison that Elizabeth Holmes and Jen Shah are in. Nate
Speaker 1: Dogg and myself did a podcast from there a while
Speaker 1: ago when it was homes his fiftieth birthday, and dog
Speaker 1: and I did get them. But since that time, they've
Speaker 1: rapped the prison. The prison has been wrapped. It was
Speaker 1: just chain link fence before, chain mil fence, whatever you
Speaker 1: guys call it, and it is now completely wrapped since
Speaker 1: since Maxwell's got in there, which didn't make the task
Speaker 1: of photographing her very easy. Now I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get into any specifics or give anybody any clues as
Speaker 1: to how I did it. I had to get inventive,
Speaker 1: but I did. I did get her. It's funny she
Speaker 1: walks around the prison, and this isn't giving up information
Speaker 1: because people walk around the prison. Inmates in the prison
Speaker 1: walk around the prison with umbrellas because it's very hot
Speaker 1: in Texas and very sunny. You know, it was hitting
Speaker 1: ninety two degrees when I was there last week. So
Speaker 1: it makes sense to walk around with an umbrella.
Speaker 2: But if you're just a person shopping in a shopping mall,
Speaker 2: exactly an inmate, you know, suffer fucking get a burn.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The first time I spotted Maxwell, on one of
Speaker 1: the days, she was walking around with an umbrella completely
Speaker 1: covering her face, her head. You couldn't see anything, but
Speaker 1: I know the way she walks, I know, I basically
Speaker 1: know her mannerisms, so I knew it was her without
Speaker 1: seeing her face. So I figured, you know, I got down,
Speaker 1: I got her routine down, I got the timings down
Speaker 1: of when she moved around. I knew that. I just
Speaker 1: at some point, she's going to slip up because she
Speaker 1: doesn't know I'm there, The guards don't know I'm there.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows I'm there. And at some point in time,
Speaker 1: on one of the occasions that she's out during the day,
Speaker 1: maybe she has a lapse in, you know, just a
Speaker 1: mental lapse and holds the umbrella up high enough. So
Speaker 1: I was there before sunrise. I was there, you know,
Speaker 1: when it's still pitch black, and she came out and
Speaker 1: the umbrella was still covering her face in pitch black,
Speaker 1: So you know that she's being told by somebody in
Speaker 1: the government keep your head down. She's not doing it
Speaker 1: for no almost like I do not make eye contact
Speaker 1: with any other inmate, because Byron as well, it's it's
Speaker 1: a super low security prison. The inmates in there are
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's fraud, drugs, no.
Speaker 2: And name some of the others that are in there
Speaker 2: that people might not know.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like I said, Jen Shah is in there
Speaker 1: from Housewives of Real Salt Lake City. She was in
Speaker 1: there for fraud. Elizabeth Holmes is in there for fraud
Speaker 1: as well. You know the Farranos founder played by seyfried
Speaker 1: In in the movie or the show or whatever. These
Speaker 1: are low level crimes that didn't really hurt too many people,
Speaker 1: not you know, Maxwell's a sex offender. You know, she
Speaker 1: procured these women for Epstein. She is a registered sex offender.
Speaker 1: And a lot of you know, the low level criminals
Speaker 1: in there were upset when she was moved there. So
Speaker 1: I think she's basically been told, you know, keep your
Speaker 1: head down, cover yourself up, no eye contact with any inmates,
Speaker 1: and possibly there's a chance that at some point you're
Speaker 1: going to people are going to try and photograph you again,
Speaker 1: so keep your head down and your umbrella down over
Speaker 1: it basically. But what so the last day, the day
Speaker 1: that I did actually get her, it was her last
Speaker 1: movement of the day. Like I said, I've got I
Speaker 1: know it like clockwork now, I know every time she's
Speaker 1: coming out during the day, and it was the last
Speaker 1: last movement of the day, not the last chance, because
Speaker 1: I probably would have given it another day. But she
Speaker 1: came out of her cell block and the umbrella was
Speaker 1: just above the top of her head where I could
Speaker 1: see full face, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I just absolutely
Speaker 1: blasted the crap out of her, completely blasted it. But
Speaker 1: going back to the you know, assassin and the shooting,
Speaker 1: if I was somebody that wanted to take her out,
Speaker 1: I could have done it, you know. And that is
Speaker 1: I think a huge security lapse on the prison, and
Speaker 1: I do think heads will roll. It wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: if Maxwell gets moved again. She's sure as shit will
Speaker 1: not be moving throughout the prison the same way that
Speaker 1: she was when I was I was when I was
Speaker 1: photographing her, and I think it is going to be
Speaker 1: a hell of a mission. But anybody else is ever
Speaker 1: tasked with trying to photograph her in that prison to
Speaker 1: get it. I think there's going to be a huge
Speaker 1: clamp down. Well, it is a huge fuck up on
Speaker 1: the prisons part that I got up basically.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a few thoughts on all this.
Speaker 2: You know. Number one, on movie sets, I have to
Speaker 2: deal with umbrellas, but I might have to deal with
Speaker 2: them for a few minutes, you know, waiting for the
Speaker 2: umbrella to tilt up, maybe after ten maybe an hour,
Speaker 2: maybe two hours tops I might have to wait for
Speaker 2: which is very very rare. It's very rare that someone
Speaker 2: has to deal with an umbrella tilt after days.
Speaker 1: So it was it was brutal just knowing that the
Speaker 1: perfect clean shot was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to happen multiple.
Speaker 1: Times, multiple times over the number of days I was there,
Speaker 1: just to see it presented to me time and time
Speaker 1: again and not be able to get it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the king or queen of umbrellas is
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, right, and I have five or six of
Speaker 2: them around her, So there's no way of getting anything
Speaker 2: but to get the shot, you know, after you know,
Speaker 2: hours or days or whatever of you know, I'm waiting
Speaker 2: for the umbrella tilt and then once you get it,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's the greatest feeling. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, we're supposed to live in a society
Speaker 2: where a photographer can get a shot of somebody doing
Speaker 2: something whatever after days of waiting and waiting, and you know,
Speaker 2: of all the precautions they do of someone actually maybe
Speaker 2: getting a photograph or maybe an inmate seeing you or
Speaker 2: anything like that. Us going to the the thought process
Speaker 2: of saying, you know, if I wanted to get a
Speaker 2: shot off, I could have done that. That's the way
Speaker 2: all securities, security teams and stuff. They obviously live that,
Speaker 2: right They look around, they try and figure out where
Speaker 2: someone could come from where to us, to me, to
Speaker 2: you seems pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'd be we'd be great high as for
Speaker 1: these people's security teams.
Speaker 2: So if anybody wants any consulting on, you know, any
Speaker 2: security because obviously, you know these guys they're maybe ex Marines,
Speaker 2: ex military whatever, you know, ex police, ex swats, whatever
Speaker 2: they want to do. But we might have a little
Speaker 2: different perspective, you know, being photographers and being as sneaky
Speaker 2: as we are about getting photos and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: because we always get the photos. It doesn't matter. And
Speaker 2: in that sense, you know, if we were a threat,
Speaker 2: we would get the shot. So maybe consider that when
Speaker 2: you know you're considering your security for you know, your
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk situations and stuff like that. You know, we
Speaker 2: might have had a different perspective. I maybe would have
Speaker 2: looked at that roof, but you never know. Yeah, either way,
Speaker 2: it was a great shot. We're talking legendary status, Jedi status.
Speaker 2: But I mean, what are we well Jedi stuff? You
Speaker 2: were talking about other photographers being good and skilled and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Well, there is skill and then there's
Speaker 2: Jedi skill.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, it's it's still Yeah, let.
Speaker 2: Me ask you this. If you know, if it's giving
Speaker 2: it away, then don't answer. But was height? Did height
Speaker 2: have anything to do with it? Because I mean we're
Speaker 2: talking about an umbrella being able to tilt up right
Speaker 2: if you're low. Obviously a low tilt is a tilt
Speaker 2: and you might be able to get a quicker but
Speaker 2: were you waiting for a higher tilt? You could either
Speaker 2: say no comment or you know.
Speaker 1: I mean the umbrella was just over her face. I
Speaker 1: just needed the umbrella to be lifted up a little bit. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's all I was waiting for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the layout of the place. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's like a hillside or something where
Speaker 2: you're it's flat. It's flat because there is a point
Speaker 2: where if you're looking at an angle that's above the
Speaker 2: tilt is never going to get there, you know.
Speaker 1: No, exactly, Yeah, no, it was. It was flat, flat,
Speaker 1: very very flat land like saying, just needed other inmates
Speaker 1: were walking with your umbrella's flat behind that, you know,
Speaker 1: shame her son. She was just covering her face with it,
Speaker 1: and like I said, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: She's using the umbrella to cover herself rather than just
Speaker 2: the sun. Just one Yeah, yeah, well good.
Speaker 1: Shot, dude, Thank you, thank you very much. It was fun.
Speaker 1: It was fun. I enjoyed it since I couldn't get
Speaker 1: there with all the other photographers at the beginning of
Speaker 1: her incarceration that it was one that was on my
Speaker 1: bucket list to go and have a goer to give
Speaker 1: it a whirl.
Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't know those guys, right, Sorry, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to get it anyway with those guys.
Speaker 1: No, but you know, I still wanted to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. I had I had fomo when they
Speaker 1: were all there together, So yeah, happy to take that
Speaker 1: one off, and I certainly don't want to be going
Speaker 1: back there ever.
Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, it doesn't sound like fun.
Speaker 1: No, I'd imagine the security there probably have a picture
Speaker 1: of me now they have my name, and I do
Speaker 1: not think I will be welcome in the area.
Speaker 2: Well until they bring the next high profile inmate there
Speaker 2: to join the rest of them in.
Speaker 1: Their club fed Yeah, exactly. Oh they what else do
Speaker 1: they call it? Camp cupcake? I think it is the
Speaker 1: other one that's a good being up to anything else.
Speaker 2: The only thing other thing I've been up to is
Speaker 2: nursing a hurt back. Yeah, but that means I've been
Speaker 2: watching stuff. Oh okay, maybe we should end this with
Speaker 2: a little what you're watching. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: watched any Jedi.
Speaker 1: I've not watched anything, you know what. I've been so
Speaker 1: fucking busy and so so tired. As the day ends,
Speaker 1: I've just been going to bed, and I'm very excited
Speaker 1: to do that. Surely.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been watching stuff, and I'm actually looking at
Speaker 2: my notes right now, and I'm kind of realizing that
Speaker 2: the most recent stuff is not not actually in my notes.
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic.
Speaker 2: But I will you know, I will touch on some
Speaker 2: other stuff here, but I'm just going to rattle through
Speaker 2: a few of them real quick. The New Terminalist Dark
Speaker 2: Wolf very good, okay. Chris Pratt, he barely makes a
Speaker 2: you know, an appearance in it. It's mostly Taylor Kitsch
Speaker 2: that does his thing.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a prequel to the to the
Speaker 2: last one. You know, I've shot them both, got a
Speaker 2: little stuff on each one of them. But it's good.
Speaker 2: Go go check it out. And I haven't been to
Speaker 2: the movies. What there have not been any movies. Wow,
Speaker 2: I've just been watching shows at home. I did come
Speaker 2: across a Denzel Washington movie.
Speaker 1: Oh I love Denzel, okay, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so does everybody. Everybody loves Denzel. The only problem
Speaker 2: with Denzel is he just always plays Denzel.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's only a problem if it's that's
Speaker 2: not what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: He started good at playing Denzel.
Speaker 2: And he is so Denzel in this one. It's called
Speaker 2: Highest and Lowest Movie, and he plays like a record producer.
Speaker 2: It's a Spike Lee joint.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: Spike Lee describes his movies as Spike Lee joint and
Speaker 2: he plays a music producer. He's basically Jay z Okay
Speaker 2: and this thing, his son gets kidnapped. But then it's
Speaker 2: not his son that gets kidnapped. They mistaken it for something.
Speaker 2: But his assistant, his loyal assistant, his driver, his his
Speaker 2: bro who's been his broin since the early days. Whatever,
Speaker 2: they miss kidnap his son.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 2: And when they find out that it's not his son,
Speaker 2: they still want the money, so they say, you still
Speaker 2: have a choice.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2: And Denzel goes through this whole process of trying to
Speaker 2: figure out if he should pay the money. I think
Speaker 2: it's something like four million dollars or something like that,
Speaker 2: four million dollars to free his his his most loyal
Speaker 2: assistance son. And I was just like, no brain, bro,
Speaker 2: it's four million bucks, who cares whatever, you know, pay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this after you're going to say that let
Speaker 1: the kid die.
Speaker 2: No, it was a no brainer to me. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm watching this movie and I'm like, wait, how is
Speaker 2: this a movie? Like how is it? How is this
Speaker 2: even a choice? This guy was there and it does
Speaker 2: get into a little bit where he does kind of
Speaker 2: make a good point where you know, his business is
Speaker 2: hurting and this would totally bankrupt him and stuff like
Speaker 2: that and stuff and the dad, you know, the guy
Speaker 2: who's his assistant. It's like bro, like ro you know
Speaker 2: what's going on here? But to me, it was a
Speaker 2: no brainer. And I couldn't believe that that they made
Speaker 2: a movie out of this kind of a choice that
Speaker 2: people have, you know, but it actually ended up pretty good.
Speaker 1: I will watch that. I like them.
Speaker 2: So do you remember the Amanda Knocks?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Did you ever work on anything with that?
Speaker 1: I did. I went to Seattle to work a couple
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 2: Well, we just watched the I think there's still one
Speaker 2: more episode to go, but we just watched the Twisted
Speaker 2: Tail of Amanda oox m hm. So you know all
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 1: I know all about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well there's you know, kind of a live action
Speaker 2: version that came out, you know, with the actors.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know about this show.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's on my list.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, since you know so much about it, I
Speaker 2: would love to hear more about it once. I'll just
Speaker 2: touch it for a second. So I didn't really know
Speaker 2: much about Amanda Ox. I think Kate Beckinsale was in
Speaker 2: an Amanda Oox movie right about her. Do you remember
Speaker 2: hearing anything about that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe I don't. I don't remember, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, we kind of dove into this thing not really
Speaker 2: knowing much about it, and then we watched a documentary
Speaker 2: afterwards about it and the girl playing Amanda Knox, Grace
Speaker 2: van Patten. Have you ever heard of her?
Speaker 1: A name rings a Bell.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's like a she looks like a Slaine Woodley.
Speaker 2: I mean I thought it was Shlaine Woodley when I
Speaker 2: was seeing like the premiere of this thing and you
Speaker 2: know that kind of thing. I thought it was her.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, I'm not sure what else she's in.
Speaker 2: What else she y nothing that I've seen, No, but
Speaker 2: she does an insane job on this on this show.
Speaker 2: Totally glued after watching the documentary, and obviously the documentary
Speaker 2: was kind of like, you know, both sides of it
Speaker 2: or something. But did you ever kind of dive into
Speaker 2: the cop the investigator that invested not That's kind of
Speaker 2: what they focus on on this whole thing. Is like
Speaker 2: that guy, the guy that pressured her to kind of
Speaker 2: admit to certain things, the guy, you know, the the
Speaker 2: Italian police force, that kind of pressured her because they
Speaker 2: wanted to close the case because of the pride they
Speaker 2: had of like the police force and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And it was really interesting the whole dynamic that they
Speaker 2: did with this and how much she actually kind of
Speaker 2: suffered for it. You know, yeah, what what's your take
Speaker 2: on the whole story? Obviously not knowing what I've seen
Speaker 2: in the show and not knowing what the show said,
Speaker 2: but from your, you know, the journalistic point of view
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember when I remember, you know, when
Speaker 4: it happened. I think the woman that she she well
Speaker 4: was accused of killing, Meredith Kercher, was a was a
Speaker 4: breat I think. So it was a it was a
Speaker 4: big story in England and.
Speaker 1: I know that it was. It was you know, Knox
Speaker 1: and her boyfriend I think was called Raphael or Raffella.
Speaker 1: They were both both convicted to start with, and you
Speaker 1: know that was uproar in the UK when she got
Speaker 1: to let go, and you know, it's it's still an
Speaker 1: unsold case as far as I'm aware, I think it's
Speaker 1: still a still a cold case. I've never actually watched
Speaker 1: any documentaries on it, so maybe I'll do the same
Speaker 1: as you guys. I'll watch the watch the Hulu series,
Speaker 1: and then then watch the doc Yeah, I know she's
Speaker 1: she's married with a child. Now, I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's worked her again for a long time,
Speaker 1: So that might actually be a good one to try
Speaker 1: and get sent on. So I'll tell you about I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about my time shooting her in the next podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean with this whole documentary or with the
Speaker 2: whole show coming out. Obviously there was there was a
Speaker 2: tension for about a week about that, and I would
Speaker 2: have thought somebody would have got something. And I think
Speaker 2: I saw something where I don't know if maybe anybody
Speaker 2: worked on her, but maybe someone got her, you know,
Speaker 2: shopping or something. I remember seeing something about it, like
Speaker 2: a bystander or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think she's got her own podcast or
Speaker 1: something now as well.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, she's got to be. She's got to be
Speaker 2: doing something with all this. And she was at the premiere,
Speaker 2: I think too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just reading now that Grace Dampan opened up
Speaker 1: about working with Amanda Knox. Yeah, so it looks looks
Speaker 1: like she had something to do with probably an EP
Speaker 1: or something on the show.
Speaker 2: So most of the things, I mean they kind of
Speaker 2: come in her words. I mean the documentary we watched,
Speaker 2: they interviewed everybody. It was the whole the whole police
Speaker 2: force and everything. And you know, I get frustrated when
Speaker 2: I watch they don't call him an investigator. They call
Speaker 2: him something else there. But yeah, you know, it pisses
Speaker 2: me off when I see this guy and like the
Speaker 2: way they supposedly treated her and stuff like that. Supposedly
Speaker 2: there was another guy. Supposedly there was a there was
Speaker 2: a guy they knew that was a kind of a
Speaker 2: known criminal, that his DNA was everywhere, and that's what
Speaker 2: it was all about. It was all about her story,
Speaker 2: her changing the story, a little bit of DNA here
Speaker 2: and there and stuff like that. But this guy's DNA
Speaker 2: was ever worse. So it's kind of odd that this
Speaker 2: guy was the guy that kind of hit whatever he did.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's a good show and we're kind
Speaker 2: of really into it. And if you're like that kind
Speaker 2: of a thing, definitely check it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watch that one.
Speaker 2: And we're watching other things, but I can't even think
Speaker 2: of anything that I'm watching right now, but I'm watching
Speaker 2: but the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer came out today, Jedi,
Speaker 2: I saw like I posted on the Instagram. No one's
Speaker 2: more excited about that than you.
Speaker 1: Oh I cannot wait. Yeah, huge huge goog fan, Yeah
Speaker 1: gro goo Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now the question is, Jedi, is this gonna be
Speaker 2: the first Star Wars movie you ever watch? Absolutely not,
Speaker 2: because you don't have to watch any other movie to
Speaker 2: know what's going on in this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch any of them, zero interest. I
Speaker 1: would rather watch Paint Dry or grass Grow.
Speaker 2: You're you're making followers drop off by saying that you
Speaker 2: really maybe maybe I think we're good on this. I
Speaker 2: think we should cut this one.
Speaker 1: Yep. I need I need a shower, I need to
Speaker 1: do an edit, and I need to go to bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to do an edit too, go fool.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. That's something to look forward to for the
Speaker 1: next podcast. We've both got stories.
Speaker 2: Yep. We apologize to anybody we have offended on this episode,
Speaker 2: but we both have edits to do, so we both
Speaker 2: will bring up our stories in the next podcast if
Speaker 2: we can remember. Yeah, but for myself and for Jedi,
Speaker 2: take care and be well. We always get the photos.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't run because I'm elderly.
Speaker 1: They shot us with peppables.