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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingona Show.

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We are here for a new series. How are you doing,

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Thomas very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you well.

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Speaker 1: This is actually a request that I got during one

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of my day live stream somebody said that you always

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talk about how California used to be like white America

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was it was like the pinnacle of white America, and

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that it was destroyed on purpose and it became it

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is what it is now and that was done on purpose.

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So you know, the idea is you try to go

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over the history and explain exactly how that happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's two things. I mean, there's there's

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a demographic situation, and there's dysfunction in that regard and

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you know, a kind of cultivated aerarchy. But it's also

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the California is also just not a blue state. It

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didn't one day become a blue state in nineteen ninety two.

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That's not nothings work that it'd be only get in

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twenty twenty eight, it's declared Illinois is now a red state.

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It's as red ast Texas. It can be flipped. And

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that's just how it is. You know, I don't accept that.

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That's preposterous. And plus just the the facts don't bear

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that out. Whenever there's a plebiscite, because I mean, California's

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got an unusual Constitution. You know, that's why they pulled

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these plebiscites, like somehow, every time there's you know, a

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social issue put to an open vote, you know, whether

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it's what the regime ephimistically calls gay marriage, whether it's

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affirmative action, there's always like a raw majority against it.

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So California is just like a rabidly liberal, safe blue state.

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But when people go to the polls, they always like

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vote this stuff down, and then the Ninth Circuit steps

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in to reverse the plebiscite, I mean, like what so

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how does that work? You know, and it the reason why.

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You know, not only were Reagan and Nixon products of

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the California plago culture, but even like resistance types and

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fringe people like the Butchers, that was like their heartland.

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Like Tommy Mesker was in Los Angeles really until the

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SPLC went after him because of the unfortunate incident with

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with Ken Miski and that uh muughul Ata Sarah guy

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who you know lost his life on incident of this fight.

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It was kind of like a nothing thing, you know.

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I mean it was young guys being foolish, you know,

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on both sides of that conflict, and a guy lost

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his life unfortunately, and you know, the loco authorities swept

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in and and and and Morris D's like smelled proverbial

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carry on, the feast on and a way to make

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money off of the misery of others, which he was

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never going to pass up. And and uh, you know

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Metzger was was uh he he had to protect himself,

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you know from this this law fair uh that was

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being deployed against him. So you'd up moving to Indiana.

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But you know, he there's a reason why, you know,

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like he made his home in Los Angeles, because that's

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that's fertile ground for those kinds of politics. And even

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of this day, like I realized that, you know, you

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can't extrapolate what a political culture is in terms of

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its substance of tenor you know, from the street or

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the prison yard. But somehow like California is like it's

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unbelievably like racialized in the penal system and on the

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street in a way like that'd be unheard of in Chicago.

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It's like Chicago being like massively segregated. So it's like

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so California is basically like the Sweden of the United States,

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but on the street, like people only aligned by race,

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and like if you talk to some guy across the

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racial divide, like you've got a problem, you know, you're

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gonna get like regulated for it. Like that's interesting. I

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don't see that's possible. You know something is that and

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a minute. But I don't know why people take this

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at face value. It's like you wouldn't you know if

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MSNBC tells you that Vladimir Putin is some like dangerous

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mad man, or if they tell you that Donald Trump

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is is you know, a rapist or whatever ridiculous you know,

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and vile cap they're they're favoring any at any given moment.

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It's like you wouldn't believe that, but you believe it

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when they just declare that California is insurmountably blue, Like

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why would you believe that? Plus, it's just not an

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electoral politics works. There aren't just quote safe states, So

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it's like we're not gonna camp in Texas or we're

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not going to campaign in California because it's safe. That's

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that's not how you run a campaign. You know, Like

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if Reagan had done that, he wouldn't have slept the country, Like,

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you know, you just don't challenge in these major and

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essential electoral prizes because they're safe states. I mean, that's

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obvious horse trading. It's obvious that you know, there's a

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combination of of the technology and the ability to aggregate

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data in real time and uh, you know, kind of

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changing parameters within the political culture at federal level at

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which things like this. So like after the Cold War,

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it's like, well, we're basically gonna take We're gonna take

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certain like electoral college prizes off the table and like

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only fight in certain states. That's part of horse trading.

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Like we get textas you get California. I mean, this

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is this is o you know, and especially in the

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case of California, Like I very much got Chicago in

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my DNA, but you know, I got on the deep

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roots here, Like my my folks are from Weston. I mean,

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like my mom was along Gone, but my dad and

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my mom was from from Los Angeles, and I my

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early life, I spent a lot of time there, you know,

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and so it's not just academic to me. You know,

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like I saw what southern California was like in the eighties,

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you know, I mean and it wasn't. It wasn't like

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people claimed it was. You know, and I was there

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throughout the nineties too, I mean not with much regularity.

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Like the last time I was out there was was

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two thousand, but I mean it was the same deal.

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I mean there's weird stuff there. There's definitely a lot

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more kind of and vice and things then you fight

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in Chicago or like in the South. But this idea

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that it's some like that it's a great big Berkeley,

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or that it's or that it's like Eugene, Oregon, Like

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that's ridiculous. You know, it's incredibly racialized. It's incredibly segregated.

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of sensibility, especially considering the kind of unless you're talking

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about uh and they're talking about East LA. Unless you're

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talking about some of these like day one white hoods,

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or unless you're talking about what remains like blacks southern California,

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which is ceasing to exists. I mean it's it's a fact,

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I'm not talking to some shit like unless you're talking

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about a hood is like that, like people don't know

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nor trust their neighbors. Like it's you know, it's not

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at all people claim it is, So I figure we

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could probably make it a three part series. Like today,

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I want to get into the kind of history of

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how California became California, because that's important, you know. I

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because Wisconsin is an unusual state. You know, like on

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the one hand, like on the one hand, they'll they'll

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go for burning you, they'll go for Trump as is

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like protest gestures, but it's like the same population that

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goes for both. And they you know, they abolished the

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death penalty when I was basically unheard of. They were

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founded by a bunch of Bavarians essentially. I mean, I'm

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in the culture there. I don't mean like this. The

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governmental apparatus, a lot of them were kind of the

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eighteen forty eight refuge got to the refugees of eighteen

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forty eight, you know, so they've got they had a

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peculiar ideological persuasion. You know, in California from day one,

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it was very very racialized, you know, and there was

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a there was a number there was there was a

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successive incidents of secession movements during the war between the States,

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and there was concern. There's concern that a bunch of

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free soilers who were for all practical purposes like rabid

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white nationalists and uh, some of these some of these

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Spanish people both people literally descended from Spaniards, you know,

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as well as uh, as well as like Mestizo people,

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you know, who who owned land in southern California who

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remained after the Mexican War. There was concern that they

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were going to click up and they were just going

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to tell the federal government to go to hell and say,

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like where where our own territory? Now, come get us.

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You know, this is not a state that is a

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heritage of tolerance or multiculturalism in the why the term

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is bandied today or of you know, love for the

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federal government, you know. And and even if that was true,

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you know again, like let's say everything that was alleged

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is true, that California just can never be flipped. It

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is always blue because of Mexicans. So Hispanics love Christenile,

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old white ladies like Nancy Pelosi, they love like they

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love like vulgar yenta's like Barbara Boxer, Like really they

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don't want their own people running things, you know. I

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mean if what they say is true, you'd have some

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like young like uh, you know something young basically like socialists,

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like Mexican guy whose whole thing was you know, like

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justice for like the farm workers. And probably some kind

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of weird pastiche of liberation theology, Catholicism and that kind

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of like crusading evangelical sensibility that that tends to be.

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I mean, not not in terms of sexual stuff or

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social matters, but in terms of economic matters, like left wing.

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of its garment. If what was being alleged was true,

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it wouldn't be some it wouldn't be some like zombified

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hag white lead, you know, like who everybody despises, you know,

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like that's ridiculous. So I you know, I'm trying to

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disabuse people of those notions. But yeah, with with that background,

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Laide Will, what kind of gets started the key to

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kind of California's existence is a state? You know, it

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was the Mexican War when Mexico City was captured by

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Winfield Scott. He was the commander on the ground, and

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the Mexican War was formative in all kinds of ways,

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Stonewall Jackson, he was an artillery officer on the ground

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there and he you know this, this is basically where

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the guy who came to make up the the corps

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of the Confederal Army like learn how to fight with

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combined arms. You know. Winfield Scott, Jefferson Davis, Zichary Taylor,

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Stonewall Jackson, Winfield Scott and Jefferson Davis became real rivals

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in ops like way back then. And Winfield Scott, of course,

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he essentially defected to the Union cause, if you want

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to look at it that way, and he was responsible

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for he died very shortly after the onset of hostilities

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in even sixty one, but he played a key part

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in devising the Union battle plan in terms of you know,

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mobilization and devising logistical infrastructure and things like that. But

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this kind of politically, California was a microcosm after the

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Mexican War, of the political divide that developed between the Democrats,

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which were then the Jacksonian Party and the Whigs. And

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we're gonna get into what that means, and a lot

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of in California today is the legacy of that in

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real terms, not in terms of the propaganda narrative. But

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when Mexico City fell on September fifteenth, eighteen forty seven, like,

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the end result was that Mexico, Mexico is essentially required

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to seceed like more over half of its territory, including

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the present day including was present day California and Nevada, Utah,

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most of Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and a small part

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of Wyoming. You know, I mean Mexico after after it

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achieved in the fans from Spain, I mean, it was,

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it was, it was, it was, it was setting itself

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up to be a major power. You know, people forget that,

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like Mexico today is basically like a rump state. Okay.

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The American delegation and President Polk, and Polk was actually

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really good president, and serious historians have started crediting him

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with that. Polk was a protege of Andrew Jackson, Okay,

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and he was very much like a Jacksonian executive. You know.

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He he viewed he viewed the kind of like white

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warrior Yaleman Rys as like the backbone of this country.

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He viewed the president as having a special mandate because

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he's the only nationally elected representative, like he had contempt

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for Congress. He he thought, you know, the judiciary, he

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had nothing to say on on trying to restrain authority.

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Espressly delegated the Article two. But he was a great man,

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and he he he basically accomplished all of his objectives

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in a single term. See he said when he took

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off when the obviously he said he would not run

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for any more for a second term, he would not

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seek in compancy, and he didn't a great president. But

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Polk realized, like, we can't impose a totally draconian peace

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on these people. We've you know, the Mexicans. He's like,

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we've gotta we got to compensate them somehow. I'll tell

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the US government paid in Mexico fifteen million dollars in

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in in the literal language of the of the peace

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agreement quote in consideration of the extension acquired by the

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boundaries of the United States. And then the government also

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like it, the Polk's administration, like I said, satisfied like

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publicly held debts like oh, the Mexican government by American citizens. Okay,

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so I men. On the one hand, Mexico became like

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a rump state, like almost fiefdom of America. But I'm

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and they were compensated. You know, it just wasn't poke. Uh.

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And Polk realized too, like a lot of these Southern officers,

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I mean, God, love them like they're my own forebears.

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But uh, he realized there was a potential of these

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guys like putting their boot on the heels of Mexico's

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neck and and basically you know, basically like ruling like

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like like you know, like uh like occupation warlords. And

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He's like, we can't, we can't have it, you know.

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And uh, Winfield Scott was uh, it was a very

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impressive guy and a great general officer. I mean, I've

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got no love for his politics, but you know it

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any commanding general, especially in those days where you know,

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commanding control was truly in situ, you know, you need it.

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You needed that. You needed a president who had actual

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authority behind his his dick tos the you know, to

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kind of bring that power to bear the uh. But

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the uh, the piece of a Guadelupe Hadelgo pen went

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to paper on a nineteenth of Uh. It was finally

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ratified in the nineteenth of May eighteen forty eight. Like

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I still he's ended, you know, with with the fall

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of Mexico City. But it was months later that this

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treaty was hatched out Nicholas Trist, who for practical purposes

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was kind of the first Secretary of State, like in

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the Department of State as we think of it. He

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was sent down there as Post's representative to Liais with

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Winfield Scott. What he ended up doing was uh Polke

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as well as the military establishment. He wanted to Trist

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to push way harder from more territorial concessions. Trist didn't

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do that, but initially Polk said he was willing to

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pay the Mexican's thirty million dollars the compensation. Trist literally

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had that number, okay, which honestly is like splendid negotiation.

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But Tris kind of became persona non grata subsequently. But

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Trist's associated with a lot of know nothings in natives types.

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It's interesting, you know, and a lot of these guys

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Trist wasn't He kind of played both sides of the

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aisle because on the one hand, like he paid lip

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surch to these guys who wanted to expand slavery westward,

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and presumably a lot of these same elements, particularly the

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military establishment who are almost stull Southerners, you know, who

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are part of this kind of court group of officers

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who won the war in Mexico. Like presumably they wanted

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to expand slavery, like, you know, deep into what had

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been Spanish America as well, you know, and Trista was

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unwilling to get behind that, Like he stood on business

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for like slaveholders' rights, and like he was a slaveholder,

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but he came down on the side of the free

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soilers if we cannot expand this westward, you know. And

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I think that was a source of some of the tension.

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And Poke Poke struck very much kind of the same

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sort of compromise in terms of what he was willing

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to publicly advocate for and like to understand the history

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of the West, the American West, like you've got to

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take that into account, you know, the degree to which

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it was kind of a fight between these Jacksonians who

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basically wanted to make the West like an extension of

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the American South and uh, this kind of like agrarian

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slave empire and these free soiler types were basically allied

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with big business, you know, and uh, what became like

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the kind of new Republican Party around mister Lincoln, which

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was kind of like the vestigial elements of the Whigs.

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You know, they didn't they were opposed to slavery, but

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they been not for like the reasons that uh, like

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Quakers were that these creators like John Brown tape evolutionists were.

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One of the reasons they were opposed was because they

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were very hard line white nationalists. They didn't want like

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non like people. They've even slavery is like this degenerate practice,

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you know, in nosall measure, because they involved like recent

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mixing and things like. These are the people. These are

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the political factions that were like fighting for dominance in California,

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Like like progressives were nowhere to be found. They didn't exist,

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you know. So that that's relevant to our discussion here

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because it's like, Okay, I mean, if you're gonna claim

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that like New York is like a progressive heartland, that's

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overstated too for all kinds of reasons. But I'll accept

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it because you do have that culture in New York

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and Boston throughout New England dating back to literally this

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the early seventeenth century. It doesn't exist in California, you know.

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Yet you're supposed to believe that. I guess one day

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in the nineteen seventies this became the dominant culture. And

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now it's just now it's just ironclad and insurmountable. It's not.

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Other things work, you know, and this stuff doesn't matter.

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You know. People they developed these conceits, I guess because

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they imbibe what they're told by regime adjacent median things

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that somehow precedent is just wiped away. After nineteen eighty

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nine or something, and after the Cold War, you know,

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the the enduring conventions and any given locale just like

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don't matter like that. That could not be farther from

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the truth. That's not that's not political life. That's not

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all things work. You know. History bleeds into the present

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in all kinds of ways, you know, and especially especially

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when we're talking about political cultures and they kind of

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nuanced as they're in. I mean that that's why we

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have an electoral college. It's not it's not it's not

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some weird conspiracy or whatever. You know, the Walmart shopper

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types think like, nor is it something that the federal

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garments like thinks that's some great thing. They had no choice,

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you know, because otherwise it's not going to be there's

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going to be a legitimacy gap, you know, a mile

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wide if if such things aren't abided, you know, and

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the reason why those things exist is on grounds and

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historical imperatives. But moving on, trinst had been he'd been

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on liaison to Cuba, and he spoke fluent Spanish, and

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he seems they have an affinity kind of for for

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Spanish peoples, you know, both like the Spaniards themselves as

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well as you know, some of their mixed race and

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indigenous charges and things. And there's speculation that both at

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the time and subsequent, some of which is used this

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as a laudable thing and some of which is very

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punitive that you know, he sympathized with the Mexicans more

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than he cared about with Polk wanted and Whinfield Scott

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wanted him to get done, you know, so he found

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a way to basically like let the Mexicans preserve especially

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you know, these these military types who were sitting at

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the negotiating table. He allowed them to like retain some

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of their honor as officers and as men well also, uh,

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you know, managing the managing to save the pokee administration

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literally half of the expenditure that they'd anticipated. It's interesting

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to speculate, and I think that's probably true. Okay, but

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the uh, but yeah, he didn't. He and booth Book,

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Polk and Winfield Scott were not at all happy, and

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subsequently christ was ordered to leave Mexico and he refused.

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He just stayed there. He wrote a He wrote a

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sixty five page letter back to Washington. Like how anybody

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could write a sixty five page letter in those days

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is incredible. That's what he did. And he outlined his

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reasons from staying in uh, staying in theater and h

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he spared, Uh. He he didn't knowledge the opportunity to

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go to ways to explain, you know, how he'd executed

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a brilliant negotiation, you know, and managed to bargain down

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Santa Anna to accept, you know, only fifteen million dollars

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in compensation for the concessions. But you know, the so

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all told Polk, uh had wanted, uh, the concessions to

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extend to specifically include Baja California. Trist had drawn the line,

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you know, and and and and presumably this is one

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of the reasons why Santa Anna had been so amenable

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to the line directly west from Yuma to Tijuana and

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San Diego instead from Uma south to the Gulf of California,

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which left all of Baja Is part of Mexico. And

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that that's really what infuriated Polk. Okay, but you know,

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you a great diplomat. I mean, don't get me wrong.

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I think Tris was compromised. If you want to look

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at it in those terms, absolutely, but you can't. You

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can't say, I said diplomat as to what he says,

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is is a key concession that you know you're the

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opposing party, won't you know, Uh, it considers to be

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you know, non negotiable. You've got to defer in some

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measured or diplomatic corps. You know, even if you were

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a very even if you're a very hands on executive,

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and any wartime executive is going to be hands on,

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you know, So just as a complicated figure like I

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forgive me if that was seemed like a boring tangent,

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it's actually important, not just for the subject on the

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table today, but just understanding American diplomatic history. And you know,

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Mexico is in It's what happens in Mexico remains important

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for all kinds of reasons. I mean, we're dealing with

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that today and it's it's a key the key issue

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upon which mister Trump's uh, you know campaign for the

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presidency in twenty sixteen and today is is hinged on.

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But yeah, the uh, you know, it's important to to

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understand the degree to which kind of the war between

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the states, and we're gonna we'll get into the the

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experience of California in the American Civil War, but you know,

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the West wasn't the wark in the states changed everything

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in what was then kind of the established, uh United

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States of America, with you know, the westernmost boundary of

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the actual United States, like not being much beyond where

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I'm sitting right now. It Arizona was a Confederate territory,

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but at some of the final battles in the Western

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theater skilled into the American Southwest. But uh, California wasn't

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really they weren't impacted in the same way, you know.

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So it's almost like things even after the Civil War

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amendments and even after a lot of this, a lot

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after the radicals were able to impose reconstruction on the South,

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you know, and even even during the period people view

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as either alternatively, you know, the Gilded Age or or

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the Long Depression you know, from like the eighteen seventies

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to around the turn of the century. Like the stuff

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that was happening in sociological terms in and the rest

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of the country like wasn't really impacting the West, you know,

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it was it was like remote to them, you know,

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and it didn't really like the battle lines were still

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between the people who'd been kind of like wig you know,

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wig slash Republicans, you know, free soiler types and these

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Jacksonian Democrats who again were basically who were basically Confederates

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in all but name. You know. One of the and

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the thing that kind of both held in common was

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this like highly racialized view of politics. You know, we'll

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get into this in a minute, because it bears on

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one of the significant secession movements that some of these

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parts of the Nights in California tried to try to

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get off the ground. You know, it was literally illegal

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for blacks to settle an Oregon, you know, and that

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was a free soiler imperative. It wasn't racist Confederates who

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were implementing that stuff. You know. The reason why for

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it every wasn't filming around a bit was because there

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was concern about you know this uh, this Indian like

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native population, you know, developing a real enmity with a

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black population that you know, presumably a potential to swell

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and was significant demographic and that wasn't unfounded, like there'd

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been violent incidents between black folks and between Indians and

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Oregon you know. But it's also you know, the Oregonians,

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they weren't gonna like turn Oregon and it's something like

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most like some dysfunctional like multicultural state, you know, and

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they it meant nothing to them if people you know

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this uh this was an eighteen forty, eighteen fifties, you know,

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the like the that the post developed decade after the

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Mexican War. It meant nothing to them. If people tried

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to sell them on like abolitionists moralizing, you know, like

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what is so what that that means nothing to us?

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You know, that's that's that's your problem and your dysfunction

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a little corner of the country where you know, you

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can't you can't come to terms over slavery. What was

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that have to do with us? You know? That was

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the degree to which the West Coast was kind of

472
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,039
this remote place. I mean that that carried on to

473
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,000
after World War Two, you know. So again it's like

474
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:21,760
where where where this supposedly like rapidly progressive California come from.

475
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,440
I mean one day it appeared spontaneously in the seventies.

476
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:33,440
I mean, that's that's not other things work. But the

477
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:38,360
key to this stuff too, for context, it was the

478
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,719
presidential election of eighteen forty four, and this was this

479
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,480
was key to kind of how the battle lines ended

480
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,400
up being drawn in in the war between the States,

481
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:55,320
as well as California's potegal culture. Polk ran as again

482
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,559
as a as a Jacksonian Democrat against Henry Clay, who's

483
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,320
the Whig a candidate. And it's important at the end

484
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,840
of the Whigs were because the Whigs became the Republican Party, okay,

485
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,280
like the new Whigs and not the difference between the

486
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:15,119
old Whigs of you know, the the Revolutionary War era,

487
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,760
you know, and then the guys who called themselves the

488
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Whig Party of the mid nineteenth century between the between

489
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,039
the eighteen thirty eight and fifties, like they they were,

490
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,159
like they they were, they were. One half of this

491
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:33,280
was called the second party system. Okay, And for presidents

492
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:37,400
uh ran on on the Whig ticket is Wayne Henry

493
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:44,719
Harris and John Tyler, Zachary Taylor and Willard Fillmore, Daniel Webster,

494
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,960
rufus Chow, William Seward, John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay like

495
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,599
these these were these were also like their most prominent

496
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,960
standard bearers. But the wig base of support again, they

497
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:08,960
were entrepreneurs, They professional people, hardcore Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, who

498
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,360
disproportionately settled California and the urban middle class. Uh it

499
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,400
had almost no backing from unskilled laborers and poor farmers

500
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,199
and even guys even like agribusiness types in those days.

501
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:31,000
You know. So this again, this this was and they basically, uh,

502
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,199
they had they at the time, they claimed that they

503
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,119
were like the descendants, like the Hamiltonians. They'd say that, like,

504
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,480
we're like the Federalists. You know that this is the

505
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:46,159
day one Republican party, okay, for all practical purposes, and

506
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:53,119
they viewed California as essential to a lot of their ambitions,

507
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,519
you know, and aside in the fact that you know,

508
00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:00,280
again they had what we consider white nationalists sensibility. These

509
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,920
like they viewed they viewed the Confederate cause and some

510
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,440
of these they were in is like holding back the country.

511
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,679
You know, something that's also lost in this shuffle. You know,

512
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:20,559
until until after World War Two, Republicans were high protectionists,

513
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,199
you know, and the Whigs believed in that high protectionism.

514
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,039
You know, they wanted to jealously guard American domestic markets,

515
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,159
and they wanted they wanted to protect and subsidize American industry.

516
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,559
It was the Southerners who were the free traders, you know,

517
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,800
as anybody who's like, if you're if your economy is

518
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,320
dependent on what amounts to like a one crop paradigm,

519
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,119
favatively or literally, you know, as the Confederacy did, like

520
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:53,719
you're like, you're you're going to be a free trader

521
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:59,480
of a sort. Okay, but this, you know, this is

522
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:06,239
important because I've run across people, including guys like Paul Johnson,

523
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,960
who in some ways is the goodest story in in

524
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,360
other ways he he seems to have real blind spots.

525
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,280
You know, he's if you read like his History of

526
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920
the American People, which is kind of like his rebuttal

527
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,880
to Howard's in ridiculous, you know, garbage. But in some

528
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,599
ways that's a good book. But then he like, he'll

529
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,119
talk about the subject before us today It'll be like, oh, well,

530
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,960
after we're in the States. You know, the Republicans became progressive.

531
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,960
It's like that that didn't happen. What are you talking?

532
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,440
What are you? What are you talking about? You know,

533
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:41,159
it's I think it's one part ignorance, one part people's

534
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:44,480
taking out face value. And maybe people just don't like

535
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:48,039
outside the culture, like don't understand, like if you're I'm

536
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,159
not like, I don't shade on anybody, but if people

537
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,800
are like immigrants, recent immigrant stock or like, people don't

538
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,239
really understand like the center of Protestanism from within, they

539
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,519
don't really understand what I'm talking about, like a gut

540
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,320
level and like why some of these claims are ridiculous.

541
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,400
I think that's part of it. But you know, my

542
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,400
other things too, and this is key people like polk

543
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:15,360
Uh like manifest Destiny. It wasn't it's like like mother

544
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,079
Jones types, Like I said, Oh, manifest destiny, you know

545
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,119
this this this, this is an example of you know,

546
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,440
white white paternalism and imperialism. Like manifest destiny was an

547
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,719
actual policy orientation. It wasn't just some it was it

548
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:35,519
wasn't like abstract conceptual phenomenon or like some sort of

549
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:39,719
election year slogan. You know. It was literally like we

550
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920
are going to we're going to mark the Spanish Empire

551
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,280
and everybody else in this hemisphere. We are going to

552
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,679
conquer the entirety of what used to be Spanish America,

553
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,519
like we're going to become, you know, essentially like the

554
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,639
overlords of of of the Americas. That's what it was.

555
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:02,880
And the Whigs were die hard against that, you know.

556
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,400
And this was a real dividing line between them and

557
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:12,519
the Jacksonians, you know, because that kind of thing, like

558
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,519
perpetual war for perpetual peace is always banned for business,

559
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:22,079
like we've talked about before. That's why economic explanations for

560
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:27,320
warfare never make any sense. But it's also if your

561
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,400
whole notion is, you know, bringing the capital base of

562
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:38,400
America into the looming twentieth century, like you can't have

563
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,639
the public proffers being plundered by a bunch of Southern

564
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,199
generals who want to live as caudillos by conquering Guatemala,

565
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:53,199
like you can't have it, you know. And this was

566
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,400
a real this is a real clash of of values

567
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:07,800
and ideologies at a conceptual level, you know. And plus two,

568
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:14,800
I mean, if you're an emission of conquests and policy terms,

569
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,320
I mean, that's that's that's gonna lead to a kind

570
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,559
of globalism, you know. And and and there's always gonna

571
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,639
be some kind of essential market integration there, even if

572
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,599
it's you know, not in like the neoliberal sense of

573
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,000
what we view as you know, free trade, which isn't

574
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,400
really free trade, you know what I mean. You know,

575
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:42,400
if if your model for prosperity, as was the that

576
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:50,480
the Whigs and and the Republican the sentence was, you know,

577
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:55,480
came in with the American system, it's uh, you know

578
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,320
again it's it's based on protective tariffs. You know, high

579
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,239
protection is the federal subsidies for the constructive infrastructure, you know,

580
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,559
kind of like the Japanese system is, and the German

581
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:12,920
system was until until America destroyed it. Support for national banking.

582
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,000
And obviously this was something that you know, like like

583
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,039
horrified the Jacksonians, you know, they they viewed, they viewed

584
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:26,039
banking as a way of uh robbing uh agrarians of

585
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:35,519
of other other personally held capital. You know, Modernization, meritocracy,

586
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,519
law and order, checks on majority rule. You know, this stuff,

587
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:47,760
all this stuff put them totally at odds with with

588
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,960
with the Jacksonian Democrats, you know, and that this was

589
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:59,159
kind of the puticical crucible that created California's political culture.

590
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,440
I mean, arguably arguably the Whig Party of the of

591
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,159
the of the mid nineteenth century. It literally emerged in

592
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:15,280
opposition to Jackson, and then later like the republic their

593
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Republican Party was like the committee to elect president like

594
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,519
Abraham Lincoln for all practical purposes. And if we accept

595
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:26,360
that their Wig four bears were basically like the official

596
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:35,239
opposition to Andrew Jackson, you know, the smaller, the smaller

597
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,719
constellation of parties. You know what was called the National

598
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,639
Republican Party, the Anti Masonic Party, which was a real thing,

599
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,440
disaffected Democratic Republicans, which is what the Democrats used to

600
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:52,480
call themselves, the Federalist Party, which was by then defunct

601
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,679
as well as you know, again like a not in

602
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:02,920
substantial proportional, like know nothing type, you know it. And

603
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:09,159
that's important too, like when we think of at least

604
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,039
uh like, when when we think of like the American

605
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,960
old or right, like we're talking about these are the

606
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960
guys we're talking about like we're not talking about a

607
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,119
munch like neo conferis, you know, like we're talking about

608
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:29,480
a bunch of guys who basically we're uh, we're Hamiltonian nationalists,

609
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,639
you know, and who were like opposed to you know,

610
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:38,239
Jeffersonian sensibilities, guys like the spies, you know, like Jacksonian populism,

611
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,800
you know, and and and and and who are basically

612
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,960
you know, like white nationalists despite like falling like solidly

613
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:54,639
into like you know, the Union camp as it existed, uh,

614
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:58,480
you know during the post war years, you know, like

615
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:02,840
the guys when hard demandel after the failed impeachment of

616
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,159
Johnson and the things. You know, this is really interesting

617
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,880
and it you know, this is uh again, this is

618
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,559
this is the foundation of this is the foundation of

619
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:21,800
California's political culture, you know. And I wanna how long

620
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,920
are we been going for? Yeah? I want to get

621
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,239
a little bit into like the war between the States,

622
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,199
like in and how the impacted California, like with the

623
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,440
time we got left. Let me let me see where

624
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:42,639
I'm at here. A yeah, a key to this too,

625
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
you know, after the Treaty of Hidalgo. This is a

626
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:52,400
this is there's people who drop like conspira almost conspiratorial

627
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:01,199
narratives about this. But the Treaty of gun Blue Pandalago

628
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:08,360
was ratified on February second, eighteen forty eight. You know,

629
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,719
America absorbed California, you know, and the remainder of of

630
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:20,880
these this Mexican territory that became Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Utah.

631
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:25,679
But uh, literally a week before the formal annexation of

632
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,559
the area, like massive gold reserves were discovered in California,

633
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,440
you know, and then this and this legitimately happened like

634
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,159
it wasn't. This wasn't why like Triste uh proceeded the

635
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,519
way he did. Polk didn't know about this, Like like

636
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:48,039
nobody knew about this. Okay, this totally altered the state's

637
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:52,000
demographics and finances. So there was like a massive influx

638
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:58,920
of people in California, you know, not just not not

639
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,159
just a bunch of not to not to a bunch

640
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:04,599
of guys from you know, back east, you know, and

641
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:08,599
like what's now the Midwest and what was uh and

642
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,360
and what was and is the South. We had like

643
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,039
a bunch of immigrant populations show up there. You know,

644
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,039
you had a bunch of like Europeans you know, you

645
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,239
had a bunch of Asians you've been trickling in, like

646
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,679
especially Chinese. This caused real problems, okay. And this caused

647
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,880
like among other things, it caused like a massive backlash

648
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,079
against non white immigration, you know. And again this is

649
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,320
one of the founding aspects of California is we do

650
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,400
not want non white immigrants here. You know, this is

651
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,239
not New York, this is not Chicago. We do not

652
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:47,719
want this, you know, for like just just for just understand,

653
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:53,199
like the scale of this. Between between the time of

654
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,440
annexation in eight and forty eight and eighteen seventy, the

655
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,519
population of San Francisco and the day of annexation was

656
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,519
was around over people. By eighteen seventy, it was one

657
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:07,639
hundred and fifty thousand, you know, since this was unprecedented, okay,

658
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,400
you know, and this and this idea that people were

659
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:17,559
happy about, you know, a bunch of uh like like

660
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,360
you know, alien el woman's like streaming in there and

661
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,079
that just like streaming in there, but to like try

662
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,559
and extract gold that they viewed as bears. I mean

663
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:31,480
this people were really really really mad you know, at

664
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:37,920
and this also California then obviously as tensions you know,

665
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,159
during the Buchanan administration. You know, if Buchanan was it,

666
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:43,679
I think Buchan was probably the worst president we've ever

667
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,880
had other than Biden. I mean, like Biden is king

668
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,960
shithead and he will like never be dethroned. But but

669
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,079
Buchanan was a terrible president. And Buchanan was pretty openly gay,

670
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,760
which is interesting too because like I mean, I think

671
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,719
I think it's a combination of conceptual and literacy and

672
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,800
just like nobody wants to claim him because he was

673
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,519
a shit executive, but like I it's it's it's it's amazing.

674
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,239
How like how none of the like none of these

675
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,440
simpletons uh in academ like they just say, pretend that

676
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,199
wasn't the case or something, you know. Uh, But I

677
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:20,519
find that kind of interesting when in any events, you know,

678
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:26,559
even even early on it became the administration, it became

679
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,519
clear that there there was gonna be some kind of crisis,

680
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:35,400
you know, between North and South, and the Union had

681
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,760
like eyes westward to California because it's like, okay, like

682
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,320
these these gold, this gold we're pulling out of the ground,

683
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,760
is is gonna is what's gonna like fun like our

684
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,480
our war chest, you know, so California took on this

685
00:49:50,559 --> 00:50:00,840
outsized importance, you know, and California court hit history suggests

686
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,760
that there was like this massive like volunteers from uh

687
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,760
west of the Rockies to fight for the Union. That's

688
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:15,079
really not true. Like there were some but you know

689
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:20,679
Democrats from inception again Jacksonian Democrats. They dominated California like

690
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:27,679
from inception, from day one. The issue was though that uh,

691
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:33,079
Southern Democrats were a minority in the state. I mean,

692
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,119
they weren't like a small minority. They were probably like

693
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:41,199
fort you know of the of the Jacksonian element, but

694
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,199
they were the minority. And Northern Democrats they generally they

695
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,239
either like typically backed the Union or they were like neutral,

696
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,400
you know. So this this divided, uh, this divided the

697
00:50:55,159 --> 00:51:02,320
Jacksonian vote. And this basically this this is what basically

698
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,559
like handed California to the to the Whigs of slash Republicans,

699
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,320
who then like reigned for all time, you know, until

700
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
literally one day he was declared that this is no

701
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,440
longer the political culture. You know. And for clarity too,

702
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:19,159
like California didn't quote go purple. It wasn't this like

703
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,920
phase where it's like, okay, things are changing, you know,

704
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,199
preferences are changing, you know, the Democrats and generationally it

705
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,519
was literally like one day, it's just this is how

706
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:40,199
it is, you know, for context for contacts, Yeah, I

707
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:44,159
love Southern Democrats who were a minority. They were a

708
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,239
majority in Tulane County, San Joaquin, Santa Clara, Monterey, and

709
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,039
in San Francisco and San Francisco. In the eighteen fifties,

710
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:58,000
they had a succession of mayors who were removed either

711
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,599
on trumped up charges or in substantive charges of corruption.

712
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,400
They had huge problems. It was called the vigilance committees,

713
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,400
like literally like vigilantism who said like you know, we're

714
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,039
not we're we're not going to abide the the mandates

715
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:18,079
of the mayoral office or the sheriff, you know, whether

716
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,719
it's on you know, no matter no matter what the

717
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,199
issue is, you know, like it was. It was a

718
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,280
kind of a it was the kind of gangsterism people

719
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,559
associate with uh with New York City and the era.

720
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,119
But it wasn't being guided by some equillent Tammany Hall.

721
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,280
It was just like guys like you know, at street level,

722
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,920
like basically like making themselves like a power into themselves.

723
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:49,039
It's crazy, but you know it was. Uh. It was

724
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,960
like like San Francisco was, uh was the outlier. But again,

725
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,320
like the way they were the outlier was because they

726
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,000
were they were a bunch of they were a bunch

727
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:01,679
of like rednecks j Sonians. They weren't like an outlier

728
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,199
because they're like, oh, we're a bunch of progressives and

729
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:06,039
we don't you know, we're not keen to this kind

730
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,440
of like these uptight wigs you know, trying to like

731
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,159
impose their will on us. So that's I don't know

732
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,239
what I mean wrong. Like San Francisco is a repository

733
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,719
of ship and it is full of like it is

734
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,559
felt like degenerates and like some of humans and ship

735
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,760
like today, like it absolutely is Like I'm not saying

736
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,320
that's not the case, but it's like my my point

737
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,679
was that, you know, if if people are looking for

738
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,320
like deep roots and the stroke of record ing for that,

739
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,760
like they're not there. Like what happened to San Francisco

740
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,360
is a it's like a port town, I think, I

741
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:45,320
think frankly like the the like war permanent war mobilization

742
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,239
and then like really fucked it up, you know, because

743
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,039
that's that never ends well for a community that becomes

744
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:57,199
a you know, a hub of a military basing. Like

745
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,519
I'm not I'm not trashing service people, but that's just

746
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:06,280
a fact. But that uh, but that this dynamic between

747
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,840
northern and southern Democrats in California, that's what allowed Lincoln

748
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,079
to carry the state. Albeit he carried it by a

749
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:22,239
very slim margin. But he was But but unlike most,

750
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,079
unlike most, like non slave holding states like Langan, didn't

751
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,119
win a wrong he didn't win out my right majority.

752
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:39,440
He won California by plurality, which is highly significant. But this, uh,

753
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:45,360
but following their admission to the Union, these tensions uh

754
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,880
created Uh. I mean they they they created a real

755
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:56,719
popsibility of uh of parts of California. They're trying to

756
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,000
achieve a separate statehood. They're trying to secede all together.

757
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,719
You know, there's there's a number of attempts in the

758
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,239
eighteen fifties, and i none of which came to like

759
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,480
open combate at scale. But I mean they were they

760
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:18,440
I mean, it was a serious thing. And in eighteen

761
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,440
fifty nine, the last there's perhaps it was called the

762
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,039
Pico Act, and it was it was passed by the

763
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:30,840
California State legislature and it was signed by Governor Weller,

764
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:38,639
Jerry B. Weller. It proposed a territory of Colorado, which

765
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:46,159
would basically include, uh, you know, northern California, parts of

766
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:52,559
southern California, parts of Colorado, and parts of Oregon as

767
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:58,440
a is essentially like its own, its own territory that

768
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,320
you know, could not have formal status of a state,

769
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,480
but did you know, have like some rights at law,

770
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,440
but that the federal government would have had like no

771
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,400
power over a way like the Commerce Clause or anything else.

772
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:16,719
You know. Senator Milton Latham was a strong advocate of it.

773
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,840
So this had legs. Okay, what tanked it was, uh

774
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,880
the secession crisis following the election of Lincoln, and when

775
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:34,440
it became clear like what was underway, Lathan and the people,

776
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,639
uh like the real persons behind it realized like, well,

777
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,920
we really want to get lumped in with you know,

778
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,280
the Confederate secessionists, and you know, before we know it,

779
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,199
we're gonna we're gonna find ourselves like you know, down

780
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:57,519
range of of Union guns. But that didn't that didn't stop, uh,

781
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:05,119
the San Francisco jack Son though months later, at the

782
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:08,400
beginning of eighteen sixty one, you know, as the actual

783
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:14,920
secession crisis set in visa Visa South, the San Francisco Secession,

784
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,840
is they tried to separate California Oregon from the Union,

785
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,840
like they wanted to do this forcibly and carve out

786
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:32,239
what they called the Pacific Republic. And this was one

787
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,239
of the reasons this kind of sensibility had been floated before.

788
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,679
And that's one of the reasons why Oregon had their

789
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:46,679
like highly like racialized code of laws. Because I believe

790
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:50,440
even among the I mean, I mean, I don't I

791
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,320
don't believe, I know, I mean, even among the mainstream

792
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,679
playbo establishment, there was sympathy for these kinds of propositions.

793
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,800
But they were they were willing to become strange bedfellows

794
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,599
with these like Jacksonian Confederate types in San Francisco, but

795
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:07,880
they were not going to allow We're going to become

796
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,199
like a slave state that was then like flooded with

797
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,239
uh you know, like blacks in bondage or otherwise. And

798
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,639
all the what they received is like these pathologies that

799
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,360
you know, characterized them the South. So this is this

800
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,280
is really uh, this is this is really interesting, I think,

801
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:35,400
and and and really important, Like I hope, uh we will.

802
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:40,880
We're coming up on the hour, man, I'll uh, I'll

803
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,519
get into the nuts and bolts of uh because I'm

804
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,360
sure what people want really is kind of like the

805
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,079
hard and fast data relating to electoral patterns like in

806
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,920
the twentieth century to the present. I'll get into that

807
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,280
next time. I just this was this was an important background,

808
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,000
I think, so I hope people wouldn't find it boring. No.

809
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:06,519
Speaker 1: I think the history. I think most people just don't

810
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:09,039
know the history of like the West, and you know,

811
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:12,079
they know, oh gold Rush and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

812
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,000
get getting deep into it. You know, people don't know.

813
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:16,719
Speaker 2: You know.

814
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: While you were talking, I was like remembering that like

815
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,960
as late as like nineteen seventy nine, it was illegal

816
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,039
for like a gay person to be a public school

817
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:30,039
teacher in California.

818
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even in even in Illinois, Like people here

819
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:36,000
are pretty despite we're seeing the news, people here are

820
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:39,280
pretty like socially conservative. We didn't have any laws like that,

821
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:43,760
but like California did, would supposedly either like the liberal heartland,

822
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,079
Like this doesn't make any sense, you know, and it's

823
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:53,119
like uh the uh yeah, you know, and it's what's

824
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,639
like my friend Anthony, I mean you know Anthony. Yeah,

825
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,320
I mean like he Anthony Ramono. Yeah, what's like he

826
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:01,320
if he and I become pretty good, pretty good buds,

827
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,480
and he was nice enough to take us, me and

828
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,679
him not to eat in Portland, you know. And he,

829
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,119
I mean he grew up in LA. He's about your

830
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:12,639
age if he was the one in me. He grew

831
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:15,559
up in LA in the seventies and eighties, you know.

832
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:19,320
And he's like, it was massively segregated. And that's like

833
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,880
what I remember like a little later, you know, like

834
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,400
the early to mid eighties, like it was, it was

835
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:29,360
massively segregated, you know, even by and I'm I'm from Chicago,

836
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,039
and it's like this jumped out at me. You know,

837
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:38,920
it's like it's crazy that what people suggest. It's sort

838
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,559
of the like in in its cultural DNA, you know,

839
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,039
and what it's this idea that oh no, you know,

840
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,199
it's this kind of permanent, uh that you know that

841
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,960
the Democrats are just the ruling party in California, because

842
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,960
that's how it is. That's not how it is like that,

843
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:58,880
not at all. But yeah, well I'll I mean I'm

844
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,079
already coding the data for to properly discuss you know,

845
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,280
the next kind of aspect of this. So yeah, well

846
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,119
I don't know how you want to play it moving forward.

847
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:12,440
I I mean, I'm I'm obviously on Friday, my dad there,

848
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:16,719
We're gonna observe Thanksgiving on Friday, probably, I mean not

849
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,199
probably definitely, like that's when I was gonna cook a turkey,

850
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:25,960
but I I got reservations at at a really good restaurant.

851
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:29,360
But because it may like other than other than that,

852
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,079
we can I'm ready to go anytime this week even

853
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,039
if yeah, okay, yeah.

854
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:40,039
Speaker 1: So yep, yeah do you plugs and yeah, we'll do

855
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:40,679
We'll end.

856
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:43,599
Speaker 2: It, yeah for sure. Man. The best place to find

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858
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859
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860
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and stuff. You can always find me on my website,

861
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which has a news feed, so whenever I upload anything

862
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867
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868
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I'm on Telegram as well. I got like a Mersed

869
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870
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871
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874
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Speaker 1: Don't worry, and I'll link to it as I always do.

875
01:02:50,880 --> 01:03:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks great man. Yeah, likewise appreciate it. Yeah,