Speaker 1: Billy cunning in the Great American Reds Baseball kicked off
Speaker 1: about five forty tonight in Pittchburgh. Now winners of five
Speaker 1: in a row, marching for glory this weekend, a big
Speaker 1: series here with the Chicago Cubs. But until then, Jonan,
Speaker 1: you and I now is Michael Wright, who's the civil
Speaker 1: attorney for the estate of Ryan Hinton, the eighteen year
Speaker 1: old teenager shot and killed by Cincinnati police. And Michael Wright,
Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
Speaker 1: I wanted a touch base with you after the comments
Speaker 1: yesterday of last me so Marco, as you may know,
Speaker 1: I had her on with me and she talked about
Speaker 1: the bullet wound that killed Ryan Hinton, which maybe factually
Speaker 1: was in conflict to what the chief of police had
Speaker 1: said the day after the shooting. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: see what impact that has on your case, if anything.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, I think it is significant. The fact that
Speaker 2: the chief and the corner can't get on the same page.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty interesting. We I believe that you know,
Speaker 2: what the chief was saying has been intentionally misleading from
Speaker 2: the corners report. He was shot in the left forearm.
Speaker 2: He was shot. It says left lateral chests below the armpit. Now,
Speaker 2: and that's not what she said when she was on
Speaker 2: your show. She said that he was shot in the chest,
Speaker 2: mid center the chest and he was shot below the armpit.
Speaker 2: And the third finding, which was pretty interesting, was that
Speaker 2: he was shot in the back. It says right postereo
Speaker 2: lateral chest, so basically he was shot in the back
Speaker 2: behind the right shoulder. So, you know, I think the
Speaker 2: chief has some explaining to do. Why this she was
Speaker 2: intentionally misleading, and I believe that you know this really
Speaker 2: this is really interesting that you know, these facts are
Speaker 2: coming out. We did an independent autopsy and we have
Speaker 2: not released the results yet because we are waiting for
Speaker 2: information from the corner that we requested, such as photographs
Speaker 2: and things of that nature that they have not sent
Speaker 2: to us. So, you know, we believed all along this
Speaker 2: was a bad shoot, and this is more indication, more
Speaker 2: evidence that this was an unlawful shooting of Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 2: But again, we're still investigating, and we unlike the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: Police Department, unlike the Corner's office, we're not going to
Speaker 2: do things piecemeal. We're going to have all our information
Speaker 2: together and we will present all at one time. What
Speaker 2: we believe will show the unwallful killing of Ryan.
Speaker 1: And Hinton Michael right, Let's break it down, doctor Lasmisimaco said.
Speaker 1: An autopsy revealed Ryan Hinton had three gunshot wounds, one
Speaker 1: in the left forearm, one in the left lateral chest,
Speaker 1: and one near the right part of the chest. I
Speaker 1: asked her yesterday, could there'd be two shots that hit
Speaker 1: his body causing three gunshot wounds? She said yes, But
Speaker 1: I asked her. I asked her specifically, the one in
Speaker 1: the left forearm and the one in the left lateral
Speaker 1: chest could be one bullet that exit at the sternum,
Speaker 1: and one shot was say, in the woods somewhere, and
Speaker 1: the one near the right part of the chest launched
Speaker 1: himself at the base of the skull. And I asked her, well,
Speaker 1: how do you shoot somebody on the right side of
Speaker 1: the chest there if they're running, if they're in front
Speaker 1: of you, running away from you on the right And
Speaker 1: she said, well, it could have been the first shot,
Speaker 1: which may I use the term kill shot, is the
Speaker 1: one that took out part of his heart and that
Speaker 1: could have flipped his body to the right that caused
Speaker 1: that bullet wounded the right part of the chest with
Speaker 1: a bullet lodging up by a skull. Isn't that a
Speaker 1: reasonable assumption or not?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe so. Our corner, independent corner, does
Speaker 2: not believe so. But again we're waiting for all the evidence,
Speaker 2: all the information, everything that we requested from the corner
Speaker 2: in order for us to finish our independent autopsy. So
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound plausible. However, you know that's their you
Speaker 2: know that that's their story, and they're sticking to it
Speaker 2: at this point. But what's interesting is that it's all piecemeled,
Speaker 2: you know, her autopsy. I've never seen an autopsy like this.
Speaker 2: It was just three sentences that that makes no sense.
Speaker 2: So again, oh go ahead.
Speaker 1: You know fairly, Michael, right, there's nothing in here to
Speaker 1: indicate that he was shot in the back. She uses
Speaker 1: the term left forearm, left life chest and one near
Speaker 1: the right part of the chest.
Speaker 3: I don't see the word back anywhere in there.
Speaker 2: Well, and there again they're being intentionally misleading. Right posterior
Speaker 2: lateral chest adjacent to the shoulder. He was shot in
Speaker 2: the back. So again, intentionally misleading information that is being
Speaker 2: piece milled by this department that's investigating themselves.
Speaker 1: Do you have a corner, do you have an equal
Speaker 1: you have a corner saying these findings have doctor Lasmi
Speaker 1: Samaka are not accurate.
Speaker 2: Yes, we do, but we are waiting for the additional
Speaker 2: information that we requested to finalize. You know, our corner's report.
Speaker 1: Can you address yourself to the issue of an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old illegally with a gun, pulling it out of
Speaker 1: the car that he was stolen, running four or five steps, falling,
Speaker 1: dropping the gun, and picking up back up. Isn't that
Speaker 1: an indication that he intended to use it if he
Speaker 1: picked it up at least twice.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, that's not what that means. Let's let's
Speaker 2: let's look at how he was shot. He was running
Speaker 2: away and even with the chief said, there's nothing in
Speaker 2: the video that indicates that he was pointing the gun
Speaker 2: towards an officer. And what's even more interesting, Bill, was
Speaker 2: that it was an undercover officer, a detective that shot him.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a uniformed officer that shot him. So how
Speaker 2: do we know that, Ryan, Well, one, there's nothing indicating
Speaker 2: or showing that he pointed the gun towards this officer.
Speaker 2: And let's say, for argument's sake, that he did. If
Speaker 2: this is an If this is an ununiformed officer that's
Speaker 2: pointing a gun at you, how does Ryan know this
Speaker 2: is not the person that owned the vehicle that was
Speaker 2: coming after him with a gun trying to get their
Speaker 2: vehicle back.
Speaker 1: So, Michael, right, you're saying that the officer who killed
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton was not in uniform? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. This was an undercover and as
Speaker 2: the chief, As the chief indicated when she spoke to you,
Speaker 2: she said that once the uniform officers got there, the
Speaker 2: undercover officers were supposed to back off. So again, intentionally
Speaker 2: misleading statements that we are still trying to piece together.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're not going to make, you know,
Speaker 2: statements that we can't back up. So again, once we're
Speaker 2: finished with our investigation, we're going to present the evidence
Speaker 2: that we believe is going to show that this was
Speaker 2: an unlawful shoot, that the officer should not have been
Speaker 2: in reasonable fear for his life, that Ryan was running away,
Speaker 2: trying to get away, this officer shot him in the
Speaker 2: side and also in the back. And what we're still
Speaker 2: trying to determine also is whether or not there was
Speaker 2: more than one shooter. We don't have that information either,
Speaker 2: so we requested the corner's information, the ballistics information. We
Speaker 2: have not received that either.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it wrong for Ryan Hinton at the age of
Speaker 1: eighteen to illegally possess a gun and to steal a car?
Speaker 1: Didn't his behavior bring about his own death in a
Speaker 1: sense by illegally committing felonies at the moment he was
Speaker 1: shot because you can't be under twenty one to have
Speaker 1: a firearm, and he had a handgun.
Speaker 3: And not hard to agree that.
Speaker 2: I would agree that his behavior was not what he
Speaker 2: should have been doing. However, that doesn't mean that he
Speaker 2: should get the death sentence by an officer that should
Speaker 2: not have shot.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the gun itself pointed, according to the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police, and I have the statement originally here of
Speaker 1: the Chief of Police who talked about this is the
Speaker 1: day after the event took place, and she essentially said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna share it with you. This is from the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police on Tuesday morning. Cincinnati Police officers from the
Speaker 1: Fugitive Apprehension Squad, we're investigating a stolen car near East
Speaker 1: Price Hill. When the officers approached the car, four suspects
Speaker 1: jumped out of the car and ran. One of the
Speaker 1: suspects pulled a semi automatic handgun and pointed it at
Speaker 1: an officer. That officer fired his weapon, hitting the suspect,
Speaker 1: the armed suspect instead. No other officers were injured. They're
Speaker 1: saying in this statement quote pointed it at an officer.
Speaker 3: Are you contending that is false?
Speaker 2: That's absolutely false. It's intentionally misleading. And then she says
Speaker 2: that there's no video evidence that would substantiate or that
Speaker 2: would confirm that the gun was pointed at an officer.
Speaker 2: So absolutely false, misleading statements that we disagree with.
Speaker 1: It does the videotape, which the blurry. I've seen it
Speaker 1: one hundred times. You probably seen it five hundred times.
Speaker 1: It's blurry, and I can't see him having a gun
Speaker 1: in his right hand, and the officer said he did.
Speaker 1: And the videotape, to be generous, is blurry. How can
Speaker 1: you make this statement he didn't have it when there's
Speaker 1: not video evidence that he did or didn't. From my
Speaker 1: perspective as a great American, I looked at that a lot,
Speaker 1: and it's so blurry. I can't see what's in his hand,
Speaker 1: if anything, can you right?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely no. So how does the chief make the
Speaker 2: statement that he pointed it at the officer and that's
Speaker 2: why the officer discharged his firearm and left out the
Speaker 2: fact that this was a undercover detective clothes officer. So
Speaker 2: you know this, there's just a lot of things that
Speaker 2: don't add up there. There there's a lot of information,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of statements that just don't they they
Speaker 2: don't fit together. So that's why we are still investigating.
Speaker 2: That's why we have not come out and made you know,
Speaker 2: uh statements to the fact that this was absolutely a
Speaker 2: bad shoot early on. But the more information that we
Speaker 2: are getting, you know, it points to the fact that
Speaker 2: Ryan should should still be here with us. He should
Speaker 2: not have been shot and killed by the officer. It
Speaker 2: was an unlawful shoot, and you know, we are going
Speaker 2: to hold the department accountable.
Speaker 1: Michael, right, I'll paraphrase a little bit what the chief
Speaker 1: of police said to me on the air, and also
Speaker 1: the coroner and also Ken kober Uh, the Queen City Police.
Speaker 1: The president of the lodge said, an officer does not
Speaker 1: have to wait for an armed suspect to point a
Speaker 1: gun at them or to fire around to respond. And
Speaker 1: and and there was a gun. I've seen the picture
Speaker 1: of the nine millimeter gun on the on the on
Speaker 1: the pavement. I've seen pictures of it. Is that Ryan
Speaker 1: Hinton's gun.
Speaker 2: He had it in his possession. So whether or not
Speaker 2: it was his gun, I can't speak directly to that,
Speaker 2: but yes, it was in his possession, all right.
Speaker 3: If it's in his possession, he.
Speaker 2: Did he did fall, he did pick it up, he
Speaker 2: did run away from the officers. But this officer shot
Speaker 2: him in the side, and he has a bullet in
Speaker 2: his back, so there was no He did not even
Speaker 2: look in the officer's direction. So it is not reasonable
Speaker 2: for the officer to use deadly force in this situation
Speaker 2: when it does not.
Speaker 1: The video shows him picking up the weapon and running
Speaker 1: between the big dumpsters. Can you say whether your client
Speaker 1: had the gun in his right hand at the moment
Speaker 1: he was shot.
Speaker 2: I can't at this point, Bill, We're still investigating. As
Speaker 2: you indicated, the video is very blurry. Blurry video is
Speaker 2: hard to see. So you know, how do you make
Speaker 2: the determination? How did the chief make the determination that
Speaker 2: you know? It makes the statement that it was pointed
Speaker 2: at the officer when the officer took a shot. Furthermore,
Speaker 2: the officer shot him from the side. Ryan was running,
Speaker 2: He was trying to get away, So it doesn't make
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. So again, we're still investigating. But
Speaker 2: as we do more and more investigation, it appears and
Speaker 2: the story does not jive with the facts and circumstances
Speaker 2: of the evidence.
Speaker 3: Did he do you have any illegal substances in his body?
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 2: I can't answer that. I asked, We asked for the
Speaker 2: corner's report and we got three sinces, so I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't answer that. And whether or not he did
Speaker 2: or did not, I don't think that has anything to
Speaker 2: do with whether or not the officer, would you know,
Speaker 2: have taken this unlawful shot.
Speaker 1: Lastly, when the officers pulled up into a condo project,
Speaker 1: I believe there's one way up, one way out. Uh,
Speaker 1: weren't there marked police cars present and officers in uniform
Speaker 1: present in uniform at the.
Speaker 3: Time your client was shot?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: There was?
Speaker 1: Okay, so your guy was Your guy was running away
Speaker 1: from police that were in uniform. I would assume someone's
Speaker 1: yelling stop, and someone yelled gun, gun, gun, and.
Speaker 2: Well we heard gun, gun gun. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I heard stop, we're still going.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard gun gun, gun, and I believe that
Speaker 2: was the reason for the shot. I don't believe that
Speaker 2: the officer or the undercovered detective even saw the gun.
Speaker 2: He just heard another officer yo, gun gun gun, saw
Speaker 2: someone running and then took took shots.
Speaker 1: Well, I would point out again that the Cincinnati Police
Speaker 1: are saying that the suspect pulled a semi automatic handgun
Speaker 1: pointed at an officer, and I guess this. Some say
Speaker 1: that's not critical because you can't wait to be shot
Speaker 1: at or have a gun pointed at you to return fire.
Speaker 1: That the mere possession of the firearm by someone of
Speaker 1: fleeing felon puts the officers at a life at risk.
Speaker 3: But you disagree with that.
Speaker 2: I disagree. And they also said he was shot twice,
Speaker 2: that that was not the case. So you know, just
Speaker 2: all this investigation has not been handled correctly. And I
Speaker 2: even with regards to the corner, I thought it was
Speaker 2: suspicious as it relates to the corner was having a
Speaker 2: press conference. Then stop the press conference because the grand
Speaker 2: jury subpoenas and then had a press conference. And you know,
Speaker 2: we don't know what they are trying to hide. Was
Speaker 2: there a grand jury, what were the findings? I mean,
Speaker 2: this just doesn't none of this adds up.
Speaker 1: Michael, Right, what's your next step for the state of
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton? What's your next step?
Speaker 2: Well, our next step is hopefully to receive all the
Speaker 2: information that we requested. Once we've done that, then we
Speaker 2: will make a decision as to our steps going forward.
Speaker 1: All right, Michael Wright of the Cochrane Law Firm, thanks
Speaker 1: for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. The investigation continues,
Speaker 1: and Michael, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Well, let's continue with more. There you have it, and
Speaker 1: it could be a he said, she said, And I
Speaker 1: don't know. You can look at the videotape a thousand
Speaker 1: times and it is so blurry you can't see what
Speaker 1: is or what is not in Ryan Hinton's hands. I
Speaker 1: can't see it, and I don't think the chief of
Speaker 1: police sees it. But the officer said it was there
Speaker 1: and in his mind it was a good shoot. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I want to set up the rest of today's big show,
Speaker 1: a big news conference at one o'clock with the Attorney
Speaker 1: General will be here about this proud sourcing website that's
Speaker 1: raised so far fifty thousand dollars. Fifty thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: the defense of Rodney Hinton, the father of the eighteen
Speaker 1: year old. And that's kind of sick and said, but
Speaker 1: it's the society in which we live today. Some of
Speaker 1: the comments are discussing online. And Sergeant Dan Hills be
Speaker 1: with us after one o'clock to talk about talk about
Speaker 1: that issue Tennessee.
Speaker 3: The case law is Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Versus Gardner, which is well known in law school, and
Speaker 1: I want to read to you the three or four
Speaker 1: sentences that matter when the police offers can use deadly force.
Speaker 1: Deadly force can only be used if an officer has
Speaker 1: probable cause to believe the suspect poses a significant threat
Speaker 1: of death or serious bodily harm. So you put yourself
Speaker 1: in the shoes of that plane's closed detectives part of
Speaker 1: a fugitive unit of CPD. And did he have reasonable
Speaker 1: cause to believe that the suspect posed a significant threat
Speaker 1: of death or serious physical harm. Any objective person would
Speaker 1: have to say not yes, They'd have to say hell yes,
Speaker 1: hell yes, because it was a life and death struggle. Now,
Speaker 1: the particulars these things are like cast rules, various ingredients go.
Speaker 1: And so whether he had the gun in his right
Speaker 1: hand at the time the fatal shot was fired by
Speaker 1: CPD is a factor, but is not this positive. Whether
Speaker 1: or not he was running toward the officer against the officer,
Speaker 1: away from the officer. That those are all part of
Speaker 1: the investigation. But how long would it have taken for
Speaker 1: the Ryan Hidton to instead of being a fleeing a follon,
Speaker 1: to become a murder of a police officer? What a
Speaker 1: quarter of a second? And so it was probably intemperate,
Speaker 1: and I use the term intemperate. Look Chief of Police
Speaker 1: Thiji is a good woman and she's been there a
Speaker 1: long time. She comes from a long distinguished family of
Speaker 1: police officers. And in retrospect, she probably should have waited
Speaker 1: as far as holding a news conference to stay the
Speaker 1: bullet went in the chest and came out the back.
Speaker 1: Because doctor Somarco said yesterday, well that's not exactly accurate.
Speaker 1: She didn't say it was an accurate She said this,
Speaker 1: these are my findings. I'm not going to say anything
Speaker 1: about the chief of police saying something different, which I
Speaker 1: fully understand. That the kill shots, so to speak, she
Speaker 1: described as being about four inches below the left armpit
Speaker 1: where a woman's sprawlstrap, that's the term she used, might
Speaker 1: be and shattered a rib, went through the heart and
Speaker 1: came out to sternum.
Speaker 3: That is, shall we say non survivable.
Speaker 1: Is that bullet was transvert traveling from the outside of
Speaker 1: the body to the sternum. We're talking maybe one hundredth
Speaker 1: of a second. That could have caused his body to
Speaker 1: turn and resulting in the second wound. Then ended up
Speaker 1: with a bullet lodged in the base of a skull
Speaker 1: in the back. Could have been but we're not short.
Speaker 1: We're never gonna know. The shots fired by the police,
Speaker 1: there were four or five. They were in very rapid succession.
Speaker 1: The one person in charge of the homicide of Ryan
Speaker 1: Hinton was Ryan Hinton. He made serious, terribly flawed decisions
Speaker 1: resulting in his own death. Number One, Stealing cars is
Speaker 1: a rough business. He's got a previous record for stealing cars,
Speaker 1: along with at least two of the other three. They're
Speaker 1: in the business of stealing cars. Talk to Benjamin Addison's
Speaker 1: family about how dangerous it is to steal cars, very dangerous. Secondly,
Speaker 1: this car was stolen in Edgewood, Kentucky, in Kenton County.
Speaker 1: That aspect is under investigation by Rob Sanders. Whose car
Speaker 1: was it? The tracking device? Was there a nine millimeter
Speaker 1: in the car that was stolen with the car? But
Speaker 1: whatever it is, Ryan Hinton was illegally possessing a handgun.
Speaker 1: You can't be under twenty one years old in Ohio
Speaker 1: and possess a handgun. And secondly, when you're a felon,
Speaker 1: he had felony convictions. I understand as a juvenile really
Speaker 1: can't possess a handgun. So all he had to do
Speaker 1: was what the other three had done, which is run
Speaker 1: like jack rabbits, run away. There was one person in
Speaker 1: that car that picked up a firearm and that was
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton. There was one person that kept it in
Speaker 1: his possession for three or four quick steps away from
Speaker 1: the cops, and that was Ryan Hinton. There was one
Speaker 1: person who slipped and fell, causing the firearm to leave
Speaker 1: his body temporarily, and one person picked it up and
Speaker 1: that was Ry Hinton. And there was one person that
Speaker 1: ran between the metal dumpsters instead of the other direction to.
Speaker 3: Get away, and that was Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 1: It's a factor a little bit whether or not he
Speaker 1: had possession of the gun in his right hand. You
Speaker 1: just heard the attorney, mister Wright say it's uncertain whether
Speaker 1: he had the gun or not. And there's a gun
Speaker 1: picture right there. Maybe the gun fell from his hand
Speaker 1: when he was shot. And the video is blurry. You
Speaker 1: can watch it one hundred times and is so blurry
Speaker 1: you can't determine what was in his hand or not.
Speaker 1: And it was only from a distance of about twelve
Speaker 1: feet and the officer was running as heart was beating gun, gun, gun.
Speaker 1: The training kicked in and he responded one good thing.
Speaker 1: And I think Dan Hills may touch on this after
Speaker 1: one o'clock that here we sit on what May the twentieth,
Speaker 1: and these events took place on May the first, it's
Speaker 1: been almost three weeks. On Friday of last week, when
Speaker 1: I had on Connie Pillage, the county prosecutor, she said,
Speaker 1: there's nothing I've seen at this point that would indicate
Speaker 1: the police officer did anything criminally wrong. And that was
Speaker 1: as of four days ago, which was more than two
Speaker 1: weeks after the event, which means Connie Pillage and her
Speaker 1: staff and new prosecutor Hemlet County has gone over that
Speaker 1: videotape I would say five hundred times. And she knows
Speaker 1: all the evidence about the videotape and what it shows.
Speaker 1: She knows a lot more about the case than you
Speaker 1: and I know about right now, and she says she
Speaker 1: has seen nothing to indicate a criminal act took place
Speaker 1: by Cincinnati police. I'm hanging my hat on that hook
Speaker 1: that our new county prosecutor. By the way, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask the Attorney General, David Yost with me in
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes. He's gonna, I'm sorry, in about an
Speaker 1: iron twenty minutes as to whether or not what is
Speaker 1: he thinks about the the quality of the work done
Speaker 1: by the Hemny County Prosecutor's office at this point, And
Speaker 1: based upon previous conversations I had with the Attorney General,
Speaker 1: I believe he's going to compliment Connie Pillage for what
Speaker 1: she's done in the case. And that comes from the
Speaker 1: Attorney General, who is always say is a very conservative
Speaker 1: Republican who's been a prosecutor in Delaware County like Joe
Speaker 1: Eaters or Missy Powers, and I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be somewhat complimentary of Connie Pillage, and I hope that's
Speaker 1: the case. Now, civilly is different than criminal. Criminal means
Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt, which is maybe above ninety five percent.
Speaker 1: And there's no question in this case that, at least
Speaker 1: in the case of the father, Rodney Hinton, that he
Speaker 1: murdered Larry Henderson. There's no question. I'm told there's a
Speaker 1: videotape that sees him driving his vehicle into the body
Speaker 1: of Deputy Sheriff Henderson's a video, and of course there's
Speaker 1: a video of him being pulled out of the car
Speaker 1: and he's Somebody is suing in federal court alleging he
Speaker 1: was man handled improperly. But nonetheless that's a case down
Speaker 1: the road on the criminal but having on the civil
Speaker 1: aspects of this. With Michael Wright of the Cochrane Law Firm,
Speaker 1: they're going to hang their hat on the idea that
Speaker 1: the chief of police is on a different page than
Speaker 1: with the county corner. And that's Thiji did not lie.
Speaker 1: She was mistaken. A lie is when you know the
Speaker 1: truth to be different than the manner and manner of expression.
Speaker 1: She thought he was shot in the back, in the front,
Speaker 1: came out the back. She did not know, And of
Speaker 1: course the County corner knows exactly what happens, and that's
Speaker 1: what she came on yesterday to talk about. In retrospect,
Speaker 1: it would have been better for Thiji to wait a
Speaker 1: few more days to get some more facts, but there's
Speaker 1: a sense in city politics today get it all out
Speaker 1: quickly as you can, which can be a big mistake
Speaker 1: in this case. Whether he was shot, whether the kill
Speaker 1: shot was the first or second one, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any difference because he was the person whose behavior calls
Speaker 1: his own death. And if we're gonna hold these CPD
Speaker 1: officers to a standard of behavior that puts their life
Speaker 1: at risk, it's going to be more and more difficult
Speaker 1: to get to get anyone to serve as a police officer.
Speaker 1: So this is to me, it's an important moment for
Speaker 1: Connie Pillage County prosecutor. There's always a federal aspect of
Speaker 1: these cases of civil rights, but that's unlikely to be
Speaker 1: pursued under the Trump administration. After all, after all this point,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is not in charge. Of course, he's not
Speaker 1: been in charge of when he was the president. So
Speaker 1: this thing's going to develop. We're going to see what
Speaker 1: happens after one o'clock. At one o'clock today, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have on Sergeant Dan Hills. He's going to take a
Speaker 1: few minutes from the side of the news conference. At
Speaker 1: two o'clock today, I'm gonna have on the Attorney General,
Speaker 1: David Yost, to talk about this case and see where
Speaker 1: we go from here. So it would be a sad
Speaker 1: moment in this county if the county prosecutor would take
Speaker 1: this case to grand jury and that officer was indicted
Speaker 1: for murder, that would be a sad day. And I
Speaker 1: do not think it will happen based upon not upon
Speaker 1: my private conversations with Connie Pillage, of which I've had
Speaker 1: none of only conversations I've had with her has been
Speaker 1: on the radio with you. And when she says I've
Speaker 1: seen nothing to indicate that a crime was committed by
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police, she said that four days ago. That indicates
Speaker 1: to me the tip of the hat to the idea
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to second guess a police officer
Speaker 1: and a life and death situation in which he has
Speaker 1: to save his own life and the life of his
Speaker 1: fellow officers from a fleeing felon in possession of a
Speaker 1: nine millimeter gun with an extended magazine with the capability
Speaker 1: of firing twenty to twenty four shots. I'm also told
Speaker 1: that there was a round in the chamber. Put all
Speaker 1: that together, and you're thinking, you know what, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton, but your behavior caused your own death. And
Speaker 1: stealing cars is not some innoculous misdemeanor act. Talk to
Speaker 1: Benjamin Addison, and there's too many thefts happening in vehicles
Speaker 1: today because they possess often the cars might have guns
Speaker 1: in them, or might have cash or credit cards or whatever.
Speaker 3: And so it's a sadness.
Speaker 1: And that's why city politics today is doing all these
Speaker 1: summer programs for the youth of Cincinnati to go roller
Speaker 1: skating and to go swimming, and to have these other
Speaker 1: basketball leagues, et cetera, in order to get those engaged
Speaker 1: in the process to maybe not commit crime. Very few
Speaker 1: of these kids that are involved whatsoever in criminal activity,
Speaker 1: the great majority or not. And the three kids who ran,
Speaker 1: I'm told all three had previous criminal records despite being
Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen years old. I am told that Ryan Hinton,
Speaker 1: as a previous criminal record for similar misbehavior of stealing cars,
Speaker 1: should have been in school, should have been in high school,
Speaker 1: should have beens Community High School, but it was closed
Speaker 1: and he didn't take the time to enroll in one
Speaker 1: of the other ones. So away you go, and uh,
Speaker 1: stay tuned for more. At one oh seven today we're
Speaker 1: going to have on Sergeant Dan Hills to break it down.
Speaker 1: And then at two oh seven today we're going to
Speaker 1: have on the Attorney General David Yost. And Uh, I
Speaker 1: respect lawyers, and I respect what they do, and Michael
Speaker 1: Wright is considered to be one of the one of
Speaker 1: the best, and when it comes to civil lawsuits, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of waiting at some point. I would
Speaker 1: hope at some point the Mayor of Cincinnati have to
Speaker 1: have peerival will come forward and say, uh support Cincinnati Police,
Speaker 1: which he's done at a news conference about three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But now that the facts have come out a little more,
Speaker 1: there's a few minor hooks to hang your hat on,
Speaker 1: such as did he actually possess the gun at the
Speaker 1: moment he was shot? And we may never know that
Speaker 1: because when you're shot, what do you do with something
Speaker 1: in your hands. You release him, You release the gun.
Speaker 1: So he could have had the gun in his possession.
Speaker 1: The officer could have seen the gun and shot him,
Speaker 1: or maybe he did not have the gun in his
Speaker 1: possession at the moment the bullet went into his heart
Speaker 1: and the officer perceived there was a weapon there because
Speaker 1: he just hurt his fellow officer shout gun, gun, gun.
Speaker 1: Either way, it's still a justified shooting either way, because
Speaker 1: he perceived reasonably there was probable cause to indicate that
Speaker 1: this person presented a risk of death or physical harm
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: Sell for the other officers.
Speaker 1: If a reasonable cop in that situation would have responded
Speaker 1: in that way, it's reasonable and he's off the hook,
Speaker 1: and then let the civil aspects continue civilly.
Speaker 3: At some point.
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised, as they've done in the past,
Speaker 1: that the City of Cincinnati will pay some money civilly
Speaker 1: to quiet this thing down, which they've done in years past.
Speaker 1: If that happens, it's on their nickel. It would be
Speaker 1: good to have leadership from the Mayor of Cincinnati in
Speaker 1: this regard to say, okay, all the facts are now known,
Speaker 1: which might not happen for another week. When I had
Speaker 1: on Somarco yesterday, you might recall she said it'll be
Speaker 1: at the end of this week, of the first and
Speaker 1: next week Memorial Day weekends coming up to get all
Speaker 1: the toxicology reports. And even those aren't terribly Germane, because
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean if you're smoking pot you should be
Speaker 1: shot or not shot. The critical moment is what a
Speaker 1: reasonable police officer, A reasonable cop in that circumstance, taken
Speaker 1: into account all the circumstances, would he have. Deadly force
Speaker 1: can only be used if an officer has probable cause
Speaker 1: to believe the suspect posts a significant threat of death
Speaker 1: or serious physical injury. He had a gun, he had
Speaker 1: zero point two five seconds to turn and shoot the gun.
Speaker 1: He had picked up the gun at least twice to
Speaker 1: use it. You don't pick it up not to use it.
Speaker 1: And I think any reasonable person would say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is a justified shooting. Let's continue with more. After
Speaker 1: one o'clock today is Sergeant Dan Hills. After two o'clock
Speaker 1: today is the Attorney General David Yost and more. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. This is going to play out over
Speaker 1: the next to by the way, many many months, many
Speaker 1: many months down the road. And I think Mike Michael
Speaker 1: Wright from the Cochrane Law Firm is representing the civil
Speaker 1: interest of the estate of Ryan Hinton. He does not
Speaker 1: represent the criminal interest of the Hamlet County grand Jury
Speaker 1: and what they're going to do. And at some point
Speaker 1: I hope that Counnie Pillage does not present this case
Speaker 1: to the grand jury.
Speaker 3: She knows.
Speaker 1: She expressed it with me a few days ago on
Speaker 1: the radio that I have to firmly believe there's probable
Speaker 1: cause that this officer committed a murder to even present
Speaker 1: the case to the grand jury. And my personal view,
Speaker 1: this shall not even get that far. Let's continue if
Speaker 1: line becomes available. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand.
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, The Great American Live, That's home of the
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Speaker 1: Bill cunning Him the Great American. As we speak, there's
Speaker 1: a news conference being held starting in a minute or
Speaker 1: two involving the Attorneys General, David Yost and also Dan
Speaker 1: Hills and many others in law enforcement take up the
Speaker 1: issue whether fifty thousand dollars should be raised for the
Speaker 1: shall we say, the murderer of a police officer, Deputy
Speaker 1: Sheriff Larry Henderson joining you nine now, is that same
Speaker 1: Dan Hills? And I know your time is short. I
Speaker 1: like to spend some time with you, first of all
Speaker 1: on the fundraising and secondly on some of the facts
Speaker 1: of the case. So according to media accounts, there's been
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars raised for Rodney Hinton Junior, the thirty
Speaker 1: eight year old father of Ryan Hinton, and there's been
Speaker 1: an effort to try to stop that from occurring. Some
Speaker 1: states of the sun of a Son of Sam law
Speaker 1: like New York State has you can't do this.
Speaker 3: Ohio doesn't have the law.
Speaker 1: First of all, give me your reaction to that, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into the facts of this, of this,
Speaker 1: of this shooting.
Speaker 4: Well, let me give you my reaction by reading some
Speaker 4: of the comments along with the donations to give Sun go.
Speaker 5: Are you ready, Willy, yes, Rodnie.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry you're hiving to go through this while
Speaker 4: still morning marching protesting isn't helping. We really need to
Speaker 4: fight back as you did. Unfortunately, many people are not
Speaker 4: ready to make the ultimate sacrifice. Let me read that
Speaker 4: one part again. We really need to fight back as
Speaker 4: you did, calling calling for more people to have violence
Speaker 4: against polief. That's part of what this fundraising effort is doing.
Speaker 4: Ready for another one, Willie, Yep, yep. I am beyond
Speaker 4: this came along from from somebody identified themselves as Jojo
Speaker 4: with a fifty dollars donation. I am beyond out of you.
Speaker 4: Is my only wish that every black man defend his
Speaker 4: family in the manner in.
Speaker 5: Which you have. I'll keep you in prayer.
Speaker 4: How about that. I'm beyond proud of you. He's proud.
Speaker 4: He's proud of this, of this scumbag that killed a
Speaker 4: police officer, that killed a totally innocent police officer. It's
Speaker 4: my only wish that every black man defend his family
Speaker 4: in the manner which you have.
Speaker 3: You want another one, will he give it to me?
Speaker 4: Black power explanation point explanation points. The revolution has started again.
Speaker 4: Explanation points. A black man stood up for his son.
Speaker 4: Exclamation points. He did not lie down like so many
Speaker 4: others before him. He stood. It's a revolution, no more,
Speaker 4: no more, no more. And then here this one's quick.
Speaker 4: I'll do one last one, Willie, because this one's quick.
Speaker 4: Death to all pigs, death to all Nazis free Rodney
Speaker 4: Hinton Junior. That's what's going on the comments section of
Speaker 4: give fun go or give sendgo. I'm sorry, gives send goo.
Speaker 4: So that's that that that's that's what the these efforts
Speaker 4: are all about. It's about it's about calling for the
Speaker 4: death of police officers, calling for the death of death
Speaker 4: of police officers like like Larry Henderson. God bless him
Speaker 4: and God bless his family. And uh so, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you asked me if you wanted my reaction
Speaker 4: to that, I think it does. That says it all.
Speaker 4: What what? What? What do you think my.
Speaker 5: Reaction would be to that?
Speaker 1: Sergeant Dan Hills or signs up in the Hemmy County
Speaker 1: Court us and say one down, many to go. I
Speaker 1: would note that at a commencement address a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, the governor of Minnesota, Governor Tim Waltz, who
Speaker 1: VP with Kamala Harris, said, compared the federal law enforcement
Speaker 1: to Gestapo and Nazis. Uh there's an effort by to stigmatize,
Speaker 1: objectify and to kill police. And those comments fit in
Speaker 1: that vein and it's sick and it's sad, and it's wrong.
Speaker 1: And Rodney Hinton is entitled to a defense. I guess
Speaker 1: he's going to claim mental difficulties in sanity and gri
Speaker 1: which is his right. Hopefully he'll get a good trial
Speaker 1: and a quick execution, which is unlikely because of the
Speaker 1: way things are with the death penalty today. But as
Speaker 1: we speak, the news conference is about to begin with
Speaker 1: you and David Yost.
Speaker 3: I want to get to you some other issue. What
Speaker 3: you said.
Speaker 1: I think ninety nine percent of us stand with you
Speaker 1: in your comments. The day after the shooting, the Chief
Speaker 1: of Police, Teresa Thiji, came out and said on in
Speaker 1: May the second that when the officers approached the stolen car,
Speaker 1: four suspects jumped out of the car and ran. One
Speaker 1: of the suspects pulled a semi automatic handgun pointed at
Speaker 1: the officer. That officer fired his weapon, hitting the suspect,
Speaker 1: and Chief of Police Thiji said the bullet went into
Speaker 1: the chest came out the back. It appears, based upon
Speaker 1: doctor Somarco forensic analysis ues the County Corner that the
Speaker 1: so called kill shot went in the left side laterally
Speaker 1: which is like under the armpit, and exited out the stardom,
Speaker 1: and that it appears factually the chief of police had
Speaker 1: some of the facts wrong about the bullet. She had
Speaker 1: said that he faced the officer and the bullet went
Speaker 1: and the chess came out the back. Factually, that's inaccurate.
Speaker 1: Is that critical to you?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 3: And why?
Speaker 4: Well? No, Actually, I think that the leadership has kind
Speaker 4: of focused on the wrong thing. I think they should
Speaker 4: just go back and focus on the wall and Tennessee
Speaker 4: versus Gardner nineteen eighty five talks about fleeing suspects and
Speaker 4: the times in which that you can use deadly force
Speaker 4: is when they pose a substantial risk of death or
Speaker 4: serious physical harm to others. Now heard a little bit
Speaker 4: of your interview with their attorney.
Speaker 5: The Michael Right Hitton family.
Speaker 4: That turned Yeah, well, you know, I don't care what
Speaker 4: part of the torso he got hit in because Hinton
Speaker 4: Hinton wanted to use the gun. Hinton planned on using
Speaker 4: the gun. Will you let me say that again? Didn't
Speaker 4: planned on using the gun, didn't show the officers that
Speaker 4: he planned on using the gun. I heard you going
Speaker 4: back at that attorney a little bit about why does
Speaker 4: he pick it up to leave the car if he's
Speaker 4: just swinging because he had some dope or something in
Speaker 4: his pocket. A lot of times people leave the dough.
Speaker 4: But but why is it that he wants to make
Speaker 4: sure he has this gun. Because I'm going to say
Speaker 4: it again, he planned on using that gun. He showed
Speaker 4: the officers that he planned on using the gun. So
Speaker 4: wherever he gets shot in the torso lily right here,
Speaker 4: I got a note just so I make sure I
Speaker 4: got this right. Because you said you don't like good
Speaker 4: shoe bat You neither do. I spounded whether or not it's.
Speaker 5: Justified, justify well, and here's here's my note.
Speaker 4: My note says one hundred percent justified, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: You cannot run from the police as a felon. And
Speaker 4: don't give me this stuff about playing clothes officers. He
Speaker 4: knew damn well he was being chased.
Speaker 5: By the police.
Speaker 4: Hid knew he's being chased by the police. He wanted
Speaker 4: to use the gun.
Speaker 5: He planned to use that gun.
Speaker 4: The officers lives were in danger. And just like the
Speaker 4: Landmark case, I got a little synopsis of the Landmark case.
Speaker 4: Even me forty years in law enforcement, I like to
Speaker 4: relook at these things. Poses a substantial risk of death
Speaker 4: or serious physic arm to themselves or another Willie, How
Speaker 4: long does it take for somebody to turn around and
Speaker 4: fire a shot?
Speaker 5: How long?
Speaker 3: Quarter of a second?
Speaker 4: Yes, he already stealing some of mice thunder a quarter
Speaker 4: of a second? Now is perception and reality always the
Speaker 4: exact same thing when we talk about video, even on
Speaker 4: a casual thing. If you and me take a walk
Speaker 4: through the park to have a discussion and eat a
Speaker 4: turkey sandwich, and we recall our experiences and what we saw,
Speaker 4: we'll see different things. Me and you will both see
Speaker 4: different things. And a video of my and your walk
Speaker 4: through the park is going to show us something a
Speaker 4: little different than what you and I recall.
Speaker 5: We said, I seem.
Speaker 4: Now put that under the extreme pressure of life and death.
Speaker 4: What's basically a combat situation. We don't like talking about
Speaker 4: combat when we're talking about there on our streets, but
Speaker 4: when you are facing somebody that has a gun, somebody
Speaker 4: back again, Hitting wanted to use that gun, Hitting planned
Speaker 4: on using that gun. The officers involved, we're in a
Speaker 4: combat type of situation. So if they felt or perceived
Speaker 4: that he was turning, maybe they saw something a twitch,
Speaker 4: a turn, a start of a turn that the video
Speaker 4: isn't going to let you see back to my note, Willie,
Speaker 4: my note one hundred percent justified. I don't know why
Speaker 4: the corner's going I'm sorry the prosecutors going through the
Speaker 4: effort she's going through. I think really good leadership on
Speaker 4: this would have been. You know, this is this is
Speaker 4: one hundred percent justified shooting everything we see. The longer
Speaker 4: they let this stew, the more people like Michael Wright
Speaker 4: are going to get out there, and the more people
Speaker 4: are going to be out there on on websites like
Speaker 4: what I just read to you. We all really fight
Speaker 4: back as you did. Unfortunately, many people are not ready
Speaker 4: to make that ulternate suckrifight. This is This is the
Speaker 4: type of crudg you get when when when leadership is
Speaker 4: in bold and leadership needs to say I don't care
Speaker 4: what part of the torso Hinton got shot in. Hinton
Speaker 4: was a threat to the police officers. He posed a
Speaker 4: most substantial risk of death or serious sysical harm to
Speaker 4: themselves or another. They were within their rights, they were
Speaker 4: part of their duty to stop that risk. He was
Speaker 4: he was in charge of the whole thing. Hitting was
Speaker 4: hitting made all the choices. He he was running around
Speaker 4: with a glock with a with an extended magazine. We
Speaker 4: don't have extended magazines to go shooting targets. He has
Speaker 4: an extended magazine to get in a shootout with whoever
Speaker 4: he's thinking about getting a shootout with. And that day
Speaker 4: he was ready to get in a shootout with the police.
Speaker 4: He wanted to use that gun. Will he he planning
Speaker 4: on using that gun right here, Tennessee versus Gardner poses
Speaker 4: a substantial risk of death or serious physical harm to
Speaker 4: themselves or other point two five seconds this this attorney
Speaker 4: can sit around all he wants in the in the
Speaker 4: in the in the comfort of his office or the
Speaker 4: comfort his home. That police officer was out there. He
Speaker 4: was point two seconds away from dying, point two seconds
Speaker 4: from not coming home to his family, point two seconds
Speaker 4: from his his his kids not having a father, point
Speaker 4: two five seconds from from the end of everything for
Speaker 4: for his existence. And that is that is what Tennessee
Speaker 4: Gardner says. That is one hundred percent justified shooting.
Speaker 5: And I'm really.
Speaker 4: Willy, I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off of this gift.
Speaker 4: Send gun go full and and I cannot believe that
Speaker 4: the leadership hasn't put this to bed already, there is
Speaker 4: there there, there is without doubt. Uh, somebody in the
Speaker 4: in this, in this in this county, or somebody's got
Speaker 4: to step up in the leadership role and say enough
Speaker 4: this this was one hundred percent justified shooting. We can
Speaker 4: sit there and look at the labor reports all day.
Speaker 4: What matters is what happened out there on the street
Speaker 4: and the perceptions of the officer, which are fair perceptions.
Speaker 4: We're not we're we're not. We're not talking about something
Speaker 4: that got dreamed up out of the blue. We're talking
Speaker 4: about a felon, a wanted fella, running with an extended
Speaker 4: magazine and keeps picking up the gun. He possessed every
Speaker 4: risk of physical harm. And and and at that point
Speaker 4: the officers had no choice. It was a training reaction
Speaker 4: at that point, Willie and and and a correct training response.
Speaker 1: Sergeant Danny, you bring up the about a turkey sandwich
Speaker 1: or a chicken salad. I think it would have been
Speaker 1: wise for Chief of Police Teresa Thiji to wait until
Speaker 1: more evidence came out. And they're going to hang their
Speaker 1: hat on the hook that the chief of police said
Speaker 1: he was shot from the the bullet exited out the back.
Speaker 1: You know, mortality is a different thing. The corner disagrees
Speaker 1: with the with the ship, with the chief of police,
Speaker 1: it might have been better to quiet this thing down,
Speaker 1: take some time to see what happens. But whether he
Speaker 1: and I had when I had on last meet some
Speaker 1: marco yesterday, I said, well, was it the first shot
Speaker 1: of the second shot? But one shot went into the
Speaker 1: left side of his forearm, went into a rib, went
Speaker 1: through the heart and came out to sternum. The second shot,
Speaker 1: she said, kind of went along the right lateral side
Speaker 1: and launched himself in the base of the base of
Speaker 1: the neck, just below the skin level, which wasn't a
Speaker 1: kill shot would have been quite painful. And the lawyer
Speaker 1: is saying, well, that's in the back. I said, well,
Speaker 1: she's not saying.
Speaker 4: My guess is is that initially when they saw the
Speaker 4: body and they saw that exit went up front, they
Speaker 4: thought that was that was the entry room, which would
Speaker 4: have been consistent, I believe with the statements of the officers,
Speaker 4: of the perceptions of the officers, which which again is
Speaker 4: absolutely in accordance with the science of how things happen
Speaker 4: that unfold so quickly and under so much stress and pressure.
Speaker 4: As life and death combat type of situation. So they
Speaker 4: believe that, but I think, you know, to your point,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe they should have waited a little honor and
Speaker 4: waited till what the corner's report said, because back in
Speaker 4: the end, it's what I started this part of the
Speaker 4: discussion with. It doesn't matter what part of the torso
Speaker 4: Hinton was shot in. It simply doesn't matter. He possessed
Speaker 4: the means to kill a policeman in a quarter of
Speaker 4: a second, and he showed that his intentions were nefarious.
Speaker 4: You don't keep running, you don't disobey orders, You don't
Speaker 4: do all those things with a glock with a big
Speaker 4: meg hanging out of it and not draw the attention
Speaker 4: of the police officer. Think you know what, I think this
Speaker 4: guy is about to try to kill me. He's gonna
Speaker 4: do everything he can to get away. He poses a
Speaker 4: threat to me. That's and again it's not even like
Speaker 4: a slow process of butot it's training tells me this
Speaker 4: is bad, and training makes you react.
Speaker 3: In fact, stand on this point.
Speaker 1: Gun gun gun, You heard that clearly in the tape.
Speaker 1: Gun gun gun. At that point the plane closed, detective
Speaker 1: pulled out his weapon and in his mind, gun, gun, gun,
Speaker 1: and he runs in between. The three of those kids
Speaker 1: ran off into the woods to the right. One of
Speaker 1: them twice picked up the gun, picked it up in
Speaker 1: the car, got out, dropped the gun, picked it up again.
Speaker 1: Why run with a gun? It would slow your eggs
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't. He got between the dumpsters, I think,
Speaker 1: to provide a firing position in order to kill as
Speaker 1: many as he could. When he came out the other side,
Speaker 1: that officer had less than one second. And if he
Speaker 1: perceived that there was a gun in his right hand
Speaker 1: because he heard gun, gun, gun, and it turns out
Speaker 1: the gun wasn't in his hand at that point. That
Speaker 1: still is a good shooter, shall I say? Justified shoot?
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Without doubt?
Speaker 4: It is not even a close call. It's we've done
Speaker 4: this to ourselves in society where we want everything to
Speaker 4: be perfect. We want stuff to be perfect on a
Speaker 4: video so where it's like, oh, even the unstrained can
Speaker 4: go all. I get it now. So you know, Willie,
Speaker 4: if you're a policeman, do you have to wait to
Speaker 4: be shot to fire back if your officer will No,
Speaker 4: you have to wait? Do you have to wait to
Speaker 4: be shot at? And the answer is no. And I'll
Speaker 4: even go to this next step. Do you have to
Speaker 4: wait to have the gun sights it's trained in between
Speaker 4: your eyes, you have to wait for that? No, you
Speaker 4: do not. And so this this this belief that we're
Speaker 4: being put out there because we're being too careful and
Speaker 4: we are hoping that the video and everything was exactly
Speaker 4: what the public needed. What the public needs is somebody
Speaker 4: to stand up honestly and say, look this, this Hinting
Speaker 4: created all the conditions. He created the conditions by being
Speaker 4: a wanted felon trying to escape the police, disobeying orders,
Speaker 4: and the biggie running around and kicking up a gun
Speaker 4: repeated time. This is why, this is why these officers
Speaker 4: became scared for their lives. They became concerned for their lives.
Speaker 4: They reacted in a trained method. Why did they do
Speaker 4: that because of the actions of Hinting. This is one
Speaker 4: hundred percent justified, and the prosecutor needs to say so yesterday,
Speaker 4: the day before yesterday. It needs to be out there
Speaker 4: now that this is a justified shot, one hundred percent justified.
Speaker 4: You why they're muddling around and thinking about it is
Speaker 4: a huge mistake. Through Republicans, a Democrat, all that crap
Speaker 4: out the window. You got to have a society that
Speaker 4: is civil and lawful. And to have a society at
Speaker 4: civil and muffil, you need to stand behind your police officers.
Speaker 4: And you definitely need to stand behind them when they're
Speaker 4: out there and they're facing people who will take their lives.
Speaker 4: And I think Hinton would have took that police officer's life,
Speaker 4: may have took multiple police officer's life if he wasn't stopped.
Speaker 4: Thank god he was stopped by the police officer there.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately we need a prosecutor that says it now,
Speaker 4: says it yesterday. And you know, I can't even talk
Speaker 4: about I can't even talk about what's going on that
Speaker 4: too much more about the fundraising.
Speaker 5: And stuff, and just discussing it makes my blood boil.
Speaker 1: Sergeant, we got to go. I have mister Attorney General
Speaker 1: coming on in about about an hour. We're going to
Speaker 1: deal with that. Also, thanks for coming in. I sense
Speaker 1: the heat. And we can't send out men and women
Speaker 1: in order to defend us from the criminal element without
Speaker 1: supporting them, especially in their hour of need. And then
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati police right now have have need to hear
Speaker 1: from law enforcement officials such as yourself, the prosecutor, the
Speaker 1: attorney general, et cetera, that we stand with you and
Speaker 1: not with the criminal element. And once again, Sergeant Dan Hills,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Sargent,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Will God bless you. Let's continue
Speaker 1: with more. You can sense the fire and the heat.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens down the road. Bill Cunningham News
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Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: So I hadn't I hadn't at this point, you don't.
Speaker 6: I'm a pen I hadn't walked away from the idea
Speaker 6: that I may run for office again, if I ran again,
Speaker 6: if the running for pression and.
Speaker 5: And so.
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Speaker 6: when in twenty fifteen and died twenty fifteen?
Speaker 3: Think it was twenty fifteen or you have much of
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Speaker 6: And what's happened in the meantime is that.
Speaker 3: As and.
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Speaker 4: And uh.
Speaker 6: Oh hello.
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Speaker 1: Right, guys, say Joe Biden had eighteen more months in
Speaker 1: office after that interview in which he didn't know what
Speaker 1: years he was the vice president and the media.
Speaker 3: When did they? When did it? Who knew? And when
Speaker 3: did they know? They knew everything?
Speaker 1: But then they want to report it because it was
Speaker 1: good for the Republicans and good for Trump, So the
Speaker 1: mainstream media ignored it.
Speaker 3: Who was running the countree when he was messed ron Klain,
Speaker 3: He was an empty vessel.
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Speaker 1: just signed the name for him. He had no clue.
Speaker 1: And we put up with that for at least two
Speaker 1: years and probably more like four years because the mainstream
Speaker 1: media refused to report the truth because they couldn't handle
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Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. Segment.
Speaker 1: There's a report now that Judson Hudson is engaged to
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. She has a piece of rock in her
Speaker 1: hand looks like Home City ice.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's family is not happy with this, his children
Speaker 1: and grandchildren, No kidding? How old is he seventy three?
Speaker 3: How old is how is her?
Speaker 1: Twenty four? But love segment will always find a way.
Speaker 1: I never you never answered the question what does he
Speaker 1: get out of the relationship? I know what she gets
Speaker 1: eight million dollars in a diamond ring. Well, what does
Speaker 1: he get out of the relationship? Red's update.
Speaker 7: Make it just fill in the fill in the blanks
Speaker 7: I think he does. Let's see make it five in
Speaker 7: a row for those Red legs. Will he break them up?
Speaker 3: Seven to one?
Speaker 7: Last night, Austin Hayes three hits to RBI's E L
Speaker 7: D C It's Elie de la Cruz to you and me.
Speaker 7: Two hits drove into Nicolodolo's six excellent innings a run
Speaker 7: on four hits, struck out seven, walk none or walked one.
Speaker 3: So the Reds are out up.
Speaker 7: Above twenty five and twenty four above five hundred. About that,
Speaker 7: Nick Martinez and Bailey Falter tonight in Game two, coverage
Speaker 7: begins at five forty Sports Talk RNAL carriers Inside Pitch
Speaker 7: and then the Kelsey Chevrolet ext Rating Show after the game.
Speaker 1: After the ag Robert Hurd did the report that he
Speaker 1: was a considerate old man that can't remember facts.
Speaker 3: You might recall Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: One after her, the Democratic Party went after Special Council saying,
Speaker 1: I dare you say that Joe Biden cannot solve a
Speaker 1: Rube's cube in about nine seconds and perform trigonometry equations blindfolded.
Speaker 1: I dare you to say that he can't beat Spock
Speaker 1: in three dimensional blindfolded fulcan chess?
Speaker 3: I dare you?
Speaker 1: And now many of those same Obama slash slash Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris types are now saying sorry Democrats.
Speaker 8: Especially whining and whimpering and bed wedding about how weak
Speaker 8: Joe Biden is, go back and look at what you
Speaker 8: were saying in the summer and the fall of twenty
Speaker 8: twenty two, how there was going to be a red wave.
Speaker 8: It never materialized because Biden is normal. There's craziness everywhere
Speaker 8: when people pick up the phone, so they go, oh
Speaker 8: my god, I'm so excited about him.
Speaker 3: Hope and change.
Speaker 8: It's morning in America, zippy dude, I mean no, No.
Speaker 8: What they do is they think, you know, he's all right,
Speaker 8: and then they go.
Speaker 3: Into the voting booth and they go.
Speaker 8: Normalcy, like America is America again.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows, I'm sorry, Joe Scarborough, not Joe Burrow, says
Speaker 1: America is normal again with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: According to Joe Scarborough aka Joe Burrow, he said, nut.
Speaker 7: Oda Pittsburgh too, Will you that somebody hit a line
Speaker 7: drive yesterday in batting practice and struck a pigeon. They
Speaker 7: thought he was dead or her or she or him
Speaker 7: or her, but apparently is still on life support.
Speaker 3: Whatever that pigeon is on life support?
Speaker 7: Where Randy Johnson hit and killed that seagull in a
Speaker 7: spring training game?
Speaker 1: And I often feel like a pigeon on life support.
Speaker 1: I feel like that Hunter Green will.
Speaker 7: Start Friday night at GABP against the Chicago Cubs. Is
Speaker 7: groin is feeling better? He was on the il since
Speaker 7: May ninth?
Speaker 1: What did Dave Lapham say about groins? A loose groin
Speaker 1: is a happy groin.
Speaker 7: A milestone for Philly slugger and Middletown zone. Kyle Schwarber
Speaker 7: last night smacked his three hundredth career home run in
Speaker 7: the ninth inning and the Phils went over the Rocks.
Speaker 7: Now we also want to say congratulations. The Big Ten
Speaker 7: Baseball Freshman of the Year is Indiana's own Jake Hanley.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 7: And Jake is mister Hanley's out of Mason, the home
Speaker 7: of the Comets.
Speaker 3: How about these numbers? Three thirty eight batting average like
Speaker 3: Andrew Ben, attending fourteen.
Speaker 7: Homers, fifty two RBI and seventy one hits. And we
Speaker 7: also want to say congratulations to Miami head coach Brian Smiley.
Speaker 7: He's the Mid American Baseball Coach of the Year and
Speaker 7: Cooper Katski is the Mid American Conference Pitcher of the Year.
Speaker 7: Also out of Miami U in beautiful Oxford.
Speaker 3: You're ignoring the Biden Rams. That's flag football. They'll be
Speaker 3: here Friday at one thirty. Oh. They beat Mountain, Notre
Speaker 3: Dame and Scott Rodgers, didn't they.
Speaker 7: Bengals update brought to you by Good Spirits and Party Town,
Speaker 7: thirteen convenient locations in northern Kentucky. Joe Burrows spoke today
Speaker 7: riding at Topics. He say, Trey Hendrickson, hopefully he'll be back.
Speaker 7: He needs to get paid.
Speaker 3: Great player, I got it two women.
Speaker 7: He's upset about this schedule that they got to go.
Speaker 7: They got to play in Baltimore again on a holiday.
Speaker 7: He wants that done, and he wants that game moved
Speaker 7: to Cincinnati. And he also wants an international affair for
Speaker 7: the Bengals next year.
Speaker 3: Who does he think he is? Three? Well?
Speaker 7: He also talked about certain players might want to play
Speaker 7: in the preseason to get off to a better start
Speaker 7: in the regular season.
Speaker 1: How about him Bingo Sega. I have a report from
Speaker 1: the athletic Ktherine Rossman. Yes, Hudson has informed a girlfriend
Speaker 1: in her inner circle. Do you have an inner circle? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that she and Belichick are engaged to be married and
Speaker 1: they've set a date.
Speaker 3: Really think we'll get invited? No?
Speaker 1: Now, what does his kids and grandkids say about this relationship?
Speaker 7: Do you think where's the wedding going to be? Or
Speaker 7: is an undisclosed location.
Speaker 1: Hudson's father stoked the flames by going on a bizarre
Speaker 1: social media rant in which he shared a confidential email
Speaker 1: expressing Belichick's worries over the negative press related to his book,
Speaker 1: that this relationship with Judson has overshadowed the book.
Speaker 3: He's got a book, you know what.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 7: That's why she kept interrupting sixty minutes. I don't think
Speaker 7: he's going to be on that show anytime soon again.
Speaker 7: In a book, Bengals first round pick Shamar Stewart remains unsigned.
Speaker 3: Why and on the sidelines?
Speaker 7: Why is not practicing in the voluntary workout program? Why
Speaker 7: he won't practice to kill us until his contract situations
Speaker 7: gets resolved. There is dispute over the language in the contract.
Speaker 1: When Belichick was recently question is what kind of relationship
Speaker 1: do you have with Judson, Hudson or Hudson, He says, quote,
Speaker 1: She's been terrific in every way.
Speaker 3: Also Willie and the Sectionals.
Speaker 7: In high school baseball, the park speak reigned supreme over
Speaker 7: Riverview East fourteen to two.
Speaker 1: The park gave up a safety. According to Belichick, she's
Speaker 1: been helpful to me. She does the business things that
Speaker 1: don't really to North Carolina football to come up in
Speaker 1: my life so I can concentrate on coaching. And that's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. Let me focus on coaching, right,
Speaker 1: is that what she's doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I bet? I bet? Yeah, coaching? Yeah, please continue.
Speaker 7: Also welly, of course, the Indianapolis five hundred is now
Speaker 7: a sellout for Sunday, and it looks like it's going
Speaker 7: to be good weather. And but the big news out
Speaker 7: of Indianapolis today is that Oscar Meyer their fleet of
Speaker 7: wienermobiles are going to go head to head in a race.
Speaker 3: Is not the Wien of the world, await it.
Speaker 7: Six of their wienermobiles are going to go in a
Speaker 7: in a head to head race at the Indianapolis Motor
Speaker 7: Speedway Friday afternoon at two o'clock in the Wienie five hundred.
Speaker 1: The Wienie five hundred segment. The couple has been mutually
Speaker 1: supportive of each other's projects, as Hudson was spotted at
Speaker 1: attending a North Carolina football practice real passing notes to
Speaker 1: the coach, and Belichick cheered her on at a Miss
Speaker 1: Maine USA pageant when she came in third art wherever
Speaker 1: we are fourteen women?
Speaker 3: There's that number again? She finished third.
Speaker 1: She said, At times our relationship becomes awkward because of
Speaker 1: those who don't want us to be together.
Speaker 3: Do you want them to be together? No? I knew
Speaker 3: you do. What is what does he get out of it?
Speaker 3: It's what I don't understand. Let me write it down
Speaker 3: for you and I'll let you know what does she
Speaker 3: get out of it?
Speaker 4: So far?
Speaker 1: Eight million dollars. I'll write it down for you, plus
Speaker 1: this home city ice. The only way side penetration I
Speaker 1: think you get.
Speaker 7: The only way you can answer that question is if
Speaker 7: we're out of safe harbor.
Speaker 3: Well not to after ten. It was like eleven fifty nine.
Speaker 3: I think it's ten pm. Say maybe midnight. You don't
Speaker 3: take the test as off as I have.
Speaker 7: Maybe Kevin Gordon will give you the answer of those questions.
Speaker 7: Will he tonight on America's Truck.
Speaker 1: And Network, NBC Sports, NBC scoff if you will. But
Speaker 1: no story in the current football universe moves the you know,
Speaker 1: like a story regarding seventy three year old North Jhina
Speaker 1: coach Bill Belichick and his twenty four year old girlfriend Handler.
Speaker 1: She's a handler, yeah, Jordan Hudson, I bet she's a handful.
Speaker 1: You're diminishing her contribution segment, diminishing it.
Speaker 7: This is going right down disaster road. I can see
Speaker 7: it now.
Speaker 1: Let me read some more of the stories. How about
Speaker 1: a she's home city ice on her ring finger a
Speaker 1: block and the kids are not happy, No kid, they're
Speaker 1: wondering about the will now and the grandkids. Yeah, acording
Speaker 1: to this, he's worth one hundred million dollars, I guess.
Speaker 1: So there's been no public announcement of the engagement, but
Speaker 1: girlfriends reported date has been set later this year.
Speaker 3: Go to get married soon. Hell, he's seventy three years old.
Speaker 7: I've got to say he might. You know he had
Speaker 7: done have times taken away for him? Well, what's he
Speaker 7: going out of this one hundred and twenty years old?
Speaker 7: When the kid's in high school?
Speaker 1: Won't he in the nineties anyway? Maybe one hundred segment
Speaker 1: get me out? Love will find a way, don't diminie
Speaker 1: that love. We'll always find a way. That's a song
Speaker 1: I think give me out of the student's reporters. We
Speaker 1: celebrate Judson and we Belichick and Moore. Will he on
Speaker 1: this National Rescue Dog Day? That's what we did with
Speaker 1: the old ZOOMI and also Willie Happy birthday. The Ohio's
Speaker 1: first Lady, fran Fran de Wine is happy birthday. Don't
Speaker 1: say how old she is, Ohios first Lady. We have
Speaker 1: David Yos coming up in fifteen minutes the AG, but
Speaker 1: we should call Mike Dwine maybe in the next stooge,
Speaker 1: to offer our congratulations right on the birthday. I assume
Speaker 1: she's at least fifty years old.
Speaker 3: Is he buying the cake? Yes? Okay, she still owes
Speaker 3: me a cherry pie. Get it going. Let's call him sake?
Speaker 3: Will he? We leave you with the immortal words of
Speaker 3: the Stood Report.
Speaker 8: I think he's better than he's ever been intellectually, analytically,
Speaker 8: because he's been around for fifty years.
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know if people know this
Speaker 3: or not. Biden used to be a hothead.
Speaker 8: Sometimes that irishman would get in front of the reasoning.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you would say things he.
Speaker 5: Didn't want to say.
Speaker 3: This is and I don't really you know what.
Speaker 8: They don't really start your tape right now because I'm
Speaker 8: about to tell you the truth and that f you
Speaker 8: if you can't handle the truth.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, this very nice.
Speaker 8: Version of Biden intellectually, analytically is the best Biden ever,
Speaker 8: not a close second. And I've known him for years
Speaker 8: the presentskis have known him for fifty years. If it
Speaker 8: weren't the truth, I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 1: And you this guy, Joe Scarborough, NBC News, he's an idiot.
Speaker 1: Let's continue. Bill Cunningham, the Attorney General, next at your
Speaker 1: home of the reds Damn red Hot Joe Scarbo Red's
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Speaker 1: you ought to be.
Speaker 3: By Billy cunning in the Great American.
Speaker 1: About an hour ago, about one o'clock, David yoast, Our,
Speaker 1: Attorney General, told a news conference about what's happening in
Speaker 1: the so called Rodney Hinton Junior raising the money case
Speaker 1: which is raised between thirty and fifty thousand dollars at
Speaker 1: this point through social media. Of course, Rodney Hinton is
Speaker 1: the man charged with murdering Deputy Sheriff of Larry Henderson,
Speaker 1: honor about May the second and joining you and on
Speaker 1: now is that same Attorney General David Yoast And David,
Speaker 1: can you tell the American people about an hour ago
Speaker 1: what you announced here in Himlon County.
Speaker 5: Well, we're appewing to the conscience of this funding platform.
Speaker 5: It's not gofund me, it's one of their competitors. It's
Speaker 5: raising money for the guy that old Jeputy Henderson. I
Speaker 5: just think it's completely out of bounds. You know, everybody,
Speaker 5: So we don't want a censor, we don't want to judge. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's great. In most cases. This is clik cut. This
Speaker 5: is this is not an arguable position. I'd quote the
Speaker 5: founders of Google. Don't be evil, right, And this case
Speaker 5: is not a who done it?
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm told there's a videotape of actually the
Speaker 1: body of Larry Henderson being hit by a car driven
Speaker 1: by Rodney Hinton, and he was pulled out of the vehicle.
Speaker 1: I had on his attorney, Clyde Bennett, about a week
Speaker 1: or two ago. They're not now willing to concede that
Speaker 1: he was even driving the car that killed Larry Henderson,
Speaker 1: even though there's video of him being pulled out of
Speaker 1: the vehicle, pulled out of his vehicle that was a
Speaker 1: murder weapon. Now, is there anything legally the Attorney General
Speaker 1: can do? I understand the money's raised now, it's between
Speaker 1: thirty and fifty thousand dollars that's going up. I see
Speaker 1: some over Cincinnati to say one down, many to go.
Speaker 1: Is there anything the Attorney General can do to legally
Speaker 1: stop it?
Speaker 5: Well, we're researching that. We looked at the Son of
Speaker 5: Sam law. It doesn't really apply because that's a contract
Speaker 5: for telling your story. We're looking at some charitable law theories.
Speaker 5: But the bottom line is this probably is ripe for
Speaker 5: the General Assembly to talk about and pass law on.
Speaker 5: You know, it's very interesting. This started out on gofund me,
Speaker 5: and I haven't always been the biggest fan of gofund me.
Speaker 5: We had a couple of tussles back during the COVID era.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what, they've straightened up and are
Speaker 5: starting to fly right. They sent me a letter this
Speaker 5: morning or an email and they said, hey, Glad, that
Speaker 5: glad that you're on this. Rest assured. We've got an
Speaker 5: internal policy. See, you can't raise money for somebody accused
Speaker 5: of a violent crime, and so we have Several pages
Speaker 5: were put up for this Rodney Hinton Junior fellow, and
Speaker 5: our team caught it and we took them down and
Speaker 5: refunded the money. That's what we want this current site
Speaker 5: to do as well. Adopt that policy, send the money
Speaker 5: back to the donors. Don't be funding evil.
Speaker 1: At this point, according to media accounts, there has been
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars you raise to the Legal Defense Fund,
Speaker 1: which makes Clyde Bennett very happy. I would assume as
Speaker 1: far so you're saying that New York State has a law,
Speaker 1: but Ohio doesn't. So if someone wants to remove this
Speaker 1: kind of a platform, we don't want to give out
Speaker 1: the address. If they want to remove this kind of
Speaker 1: a platform, it would require legislation.
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's my understanding that your great representative, Cindy Abramsmith,
Speaker 5: since in that area a cop herself, is already looking
Speaker 5: at this. So I Sendy's a good legislator, and I
Speaker 5: expect I'll be supporting her efforts as far as penalties.
Speaker 1: We have a death penalty in Ohio that's completely dysfunctional
Speaker 1: because if you have a good governor. I think Mike
Speaker 1: DeWine's good governor, but he has a predilection against the
Speaker 1: death penalty, and he says we don't have the right
Speaker 1: availabilities of this drug or that drug. Well, the legislature
Speaker 1: could pass regular rules that say, okay, a firing squad
Speaker 1: or hanging or too much ventanyl could be used. Whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Is it frustrating as the Attorney General that
Speaker 1: we have a law in the books on the death penalty,
Speaker 1: even though it's being sought this time by Connie Pillage.
Speaker 1: And I think up to this point Connie Pillage is
Speaker 1: doing a pretty damn good job. That we don't have
Speaker 1: a functional death penalty for people like Rodney Hinton Jr.
Speaker 5: Well, the answer to that is, heck, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: I've got to give some credit to Connie Pillage. I
Speaker 5: was concerned about how whether she was going to be
Speaker 5: one of these woke prosecutors, and she's been doing her job.
Speaker 5: I want to give credit where credits due. I appreciate
Speaker 5: the fact that she's treating this for the crime that
Speaker 5: it is. But you're right. Our system is broken. It's
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why I'm supporting the legislation to
Speaker 5: introduce nitrogen hypoxia as a method of capital punishment. In Ohio,
Speaker 5: we got plenty of nitrogen and not controlled by pharmacy
Speaker 5: country companies.
Speaker 9: Another thing, the President of the United States put out
Speaker 9: an executive order earlier this year telling the United States
Speaker 9: Justice Department to do everything it could to make its
Speaker 9: stockpile of lethal drugs available to the States for the
Speaker 9: purpose of capital honish Man, I've been a communication with
Speaker 9: General Bondi's office and we're hoping that by.
Speaker 5: Sometime Midsummer perhaps they will have worked out across the
Speaker 5: t's and dotted the lower case jays and we'll be
Speaker 5: able to see that start flowing. Of course, we still
Speaker 5: have a governor, as you mentioned, that would prefer not
Speaker 5: to set an execution date.
Speaker 1: Now, lastly, I want to probe your mind, as the
Speaker 1: former prosecutor of the Attorney General in this case, it
Speaker 1: appears despite these statements of the Chief of police who
Speaker 1: said the day after the shooting, the bullet that so
Speaker 1: called kill shot went into the chest and came out
Speaker 1: the back. Wait I had on yesterday the coroner doctor
Speaker 1: Alaskmi Somarco, who said the bullet entered a little bit
Speaker 1: below the armpit on the left side and exited the sternum.
Speaker 1: And it appears that Ryan Hinton, the eighteen year old
Speaker 1: with the gun, was not pointing it at the cops
Speaker 1: at the moment the shot was fired, despite the comments
Speaker 1: that it was his perception that there was a gun
Speaker 1: pointed at him. He had a split second as is.
Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton exited the dumpsters to make a quick decision.
Speaker 1: His fellow officers were yelling gun, gun, gun, and see
Speaker 1: came out running at breakneck speed in between two dumpsters.
Speaker 1: He took two or three steps and was shot on
Speaker 1: the left side and not in the back, not in
Speaker 1: the front, but on the left side. And assuming for
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, that Ryan Hinton was not pointing
Speaker 1: the nine millimeter with an extended meg at the moment
Speaker 1: he was shot, is that a critical fact and whether
Speaker 1: or not it was a justified shooting.
Speaker 5: I don't think so, but it would depend on what
Speaker 5: other facts were there, as all of the facts that
Speaker 5: add up to proof the reasonable doubt or reasonable doubt
Speaker 5: of the defense lawyer. But look, it takes two tenths
Speaker 5: of the second, maybe if you've got the gun in
Speaker 5: your hand to point it somewhere, demanding that level of
Speaker 5: fine decision making. We're already making decisions that are asking
Speaker 5: our cops to make decisions on the spot in real time,
Speaker 5: with high high pressure and high stakes. This is literally
Speaker 5: split seconds. And I think you've got a gun in
Speaker 5: your hand when you're being told to stop. I think
Speaker 5: that's probably under current law. That is, the fact that
Speaker 5: it wasn't directly pointed at you doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: What are we going to do?
Speaker 5: Then? If they pointed at you, but it's you know,
Speaker 5: not quite right, their aim isn't quite right, then that's
Speaker 5: enough that it wasn't deliberate. Now, no, no, no, If
Speaker 5: you've got a gun on you and the police are
Speaker 5: chasing you, the only thing to do stop, put your
Speaker 5: hands in here, do not touch the gun. That's the
Speaker 5: only way to handle this. I hope people can learn
Speaker 5: to live again by common sense. These armshare lawyers that
Speaker 5: are parsing evidence it's only partially complete, hasn't been a
Speaker 5: bit of a court of law, are stirring up the
Speaker 5: community and candidly making a very difficult and tragic situation
Speaker 5: even worse.
Speaker 1: No question, we can't send up men and women with
Speaker 1: all their training and making split second decisions and not
Speaker 1: standing behind them if they all the facts writing immediately
Speaker 1: at that moment, and he perceived his life was in
Speaker 1: jeopardy because of this assailant with a firearm, the his
Speaker 1: fellow officers yelling gun, gun, gun. He picked up the car,
Speaker 1: picked up the gun from the car, he dropped it,
Speaker 1: picked it up again, with the intent, I would sayest
Speaker 1: of using it. And this is one of those things
Speaker 1: that I pray to God that the prosecutor doesn't present
Speaker 1: us to the grand jury in Hamley County in waiting
Speaker 1: for an indictment of murder of a police office by
Speaker 1: where the police officer would be a defendant. To me,
Speaker 1: that would be a bridge too far. And like you,
Speaker 1: I join in saning, Connie Pillach at this point, this
Speaker 1: may hurt her politically, but when you have the Attorney
Speaker 1: General of Ohio and the great Americans saying she's doing
Speaker 1: good work, maybe that's going to hurt her politically, but
Speaker 1: damn it, it's the truth.
Speaker 3: At this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I certainly don't mean to harm a prosecutor.
Speaker 1: So all right, we got to run well. Once again,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on picking up the pieces of your
Speaker 1: news conference about an hour ago, and once again at
Speaker 1: mister Attorney General, thank you for coming on the Bill
Speaker 1: Cunningham Show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, David, Thank you, sir, God bless.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more Reds Baseball kicks off at five
Speaker 1: point forty at your home of the Reds and of
Speaker 1: course and the Pirates. The Reds are one now one
Speaker 1: about five straight A news radio seven hundred Wow.
Speaker 3: We owe these truths to be self evident. Oh man,
Speaker 3: whom were creative by go you know the you know
Speaker 3: the thing? Hello, Biet and I'm I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 4: Rock.
Speaker 3: You're kind of in the sports news business. Is that
Speaker 3: fair to say? Yes?
Speaker 1: According to your friend Jake Tapper, one of your close
Speaker 1: buddies at CNN, yes, he said, this morning, I watch everything,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to that. This book's been researched
Speaker 1: now for about a year, begin about a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago with a concept. So for the past year,
Speaker 1: a newsman has been developing news while working every day
Speaker 1: at CNN as a newsman. And he said that I've
Speaker 1: held this story for the last year and a half
Speaker 1: to write a book. Is that a problem.
Speaker 10: Possibly yes, because his yes, his job is a news
Speaker 10: for the truth in the news. But he did that
Speaker 10: in writing a book, but not in his actual job,
Speaker 10: which is being a host on CNN.
Speaker 3: So isn't that like I've got to peddle the narrative?
Speaker 3: Of course? Second, and how low is it that this
Speaker 3: guy spent his.
Speaker 10: Entire last two years covering up and their sound bite
Speaker 10: after sound bite.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 10: It's not usible. It's not hard to find anymore. Just
Speaker 10: one after another. He's in the best shape of his life,
Speaker 10: and he's on top of things, and he's sharp as attack,
Speaker 10: and then all the while you're writing a book.
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 1: Well, the one claim that he could defeat Spock in
Speaker 1: three dimensional Vulcan chests blindfolded. I thought that was might
Speaker 1: have been a bridge too far. I'm not sure could
Speaker 1: he have beaten Spock in his prime? Three dimensional.
Speaker 3: Doctor? I mean doctor Spotty? How about him, Benjamin? I
Speaker 3: mean Spock? I don't think. What about Star Trek? What
Speaker 3: about that guy?
Speaker 1: Could does he solve like mathematical formulas that are unknown?
Speaker 3: I'm not on his best day.
Speaker 1: Well, according to Jake Tapper, he had this story for
Speaker 1: a year. What where would he work?
Speaker 3: But is that not shameful?
Speaker 4: The guy.
Speaker 10: He can buy a he can make money off of
Speaker 10: a book, I hope. So now it's okay to tell
Speaker 10: the truth. This is Is this a bigger scandal than water?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta be somebody of this century.
Speaker 1: It's far and away number one and those co conspirators.
Speaker 1: How about Kamala Harris, after the debate in which in
Speaker 1: June twenty fourth, Biden couldn't put two sentences together, said,
Speaker 1: you know, he had a bad day whatever, but this
Speaker 1: is I meet him. I'm the last person in the room,
Speaker 1: she said, Kamala, cackling Kama, and I'm there when the
Speaker 1: big decisions are made. I know everything, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden she know nothing about his mental decline or
Speaker 1: his prostate difficulties.
Speaker 10: Huh no, because if you speak the truth in that party,
Speaker 10: they'll they'll cut you off at the knees.
Speaker 1: How about CNN, the Clinton News Network News?
Speaker 3: This could have been the scoop of the century, baby, Yes,
Speaker 3: well we saw it.
Speaker 10: It had been the other guy, it would have they
Speaker 10: would have been twenty four to seven, non stop, round
Speaker 10: the call. And the American people deserve our democracy is
Speaker 10: the last thing standing and we can't the whole deal.
Speaker 1: How about your buddy Van Jones yesterday on CNN saying
Speaker 1: this is a stain on the republic that the news
Speaker 1: media and we Democrats did not objectively cover an important story.
Speaker 1: I'm going is he putting himself blame? Yes, he said,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna blame too. He he's the whisperer
Speaker 1: of Barack Husain Obama. Van Jones, who got a one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars from Zuckerberg, said yesterday this is a
Speaker 1: stain on the republic, and then they CNN, well, we're
Speaker 1: paying a guy here for news.
Speaker 3: He's not telling you the news. He's writing a book
Speaker 3: a year and a half later to tell you. The
Speaker 3: boss of the CN know the truth. Jeff zucker knew
Speaker 3: what was going on and didn't knew it and didn't.
Speaker 10: So there were as guilty as Van Jones? Or is
Speaker 10: this all of them? Why trust the million? Do you
Speaker 10: trust the media? Say you told me you doing us?
Speaker 10: You trust CNN, don't you know?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Secondly, Judson, we got let's get to Jordan Hudson down.
Speaker 3: Let's get the topic a topic A.
Speaker 1: I got that picture here of the of the home
Speaker 1: City ice block, that Bill Belichick gone out down on
Speaker 1: his knees and asked Jordan to marry him.
Speaker 3: Did he get back up? This is the real thing.
Speaker 3: Reportedly they are engaged. Well, that's what it says here
Speaker 3: in NBC News.
Speaker 1: Can we trust them, No, But nonetheless here's the story.
Speaker 1: The football universe has been shocked by story that seventy
Speaker 1: three on North Colinic coach Bill Belichick has become engaged
Speaker 1: with twenty four year old girlfriend and handler Jordan Hudson,
Speaker 1: that she displays a home city ice block on her
Speaker 1: ring face.
Speaker 10: Have they got any comments from the family, the daughters,
Speaker 10: the son.
Speaker 1: According to The Boston Globe, they're concerned.
Speaker 10: You think, because now that bad boys getting split up
Speaker 10: five ways mill Yes, Oh my god, I'm reading the story.
Speaker 1: She's total least one person she's met her soulmate, that
Speaker 1: age is not a factor, and that the more people
Speaker 1: attack Bill, the more the closer we become.
Speaker 10: I read a story that all the up and ups
Speaker 10: in the northeast there that he runs around with, they're
Speaker 10: all kinds of pissed off too, because she necessarily fitting
Speaker 10: in the social circle of the rising.
Speaker 1: Yeah with Robert about Robert Kraft ye, he's just still
Speaker 1: getting those massages from Asian.
Speaker 3: Segment. You know anything about that?
Speaker 10: No, I bet now he is going. Now we have
Speaker 10: a bet on this. We got a bet and I
Speaker 10: said he is going. He's not going to coach, and
Speaker 10: I'll tell you the reason why he's going to. You're
Speaker 10: right for this. Just announced you n C has sold
Speaker 10: out all twenty thousand season tickets this year. They increased
Speaker 10: the price by twenty five percent and still sold all
Speaker 10: them out. So the man still sells. He brings people
Speaker 10: to the arena. He will coach for North Carolina this year,
Speaker 10: despite Jordan Hudson or inium is she Are.
Speaker 3: They there to see Jordan or Bill? They just want
Speaker 3: to see the circus. That's all work. They'll get the
Speaker 3: green you have you North Carolina game. I've put in
Speaker 3: for it the opener, Well you interview Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 10: They'll put see they'll put Jen Latta on that or
Speaker 10: they'll put Laura Ruttledge on that one.
Speaker 3: She'll should be walking over her ring finger in front
Speaker 3: of her nose. Take a look. Yeah, boom, they've set
Speaker 3: a date. According You've got your answer right here.
Speaker 1: I got the ring, I got the money, I got everything,
Speaker 1: oh seg Yeah, are you a sportsman or not? Would
Speaker 1: you reporting important stories it was? Or wait to get
Speaker 1: paid for it a year and a half later by
Speaker 1: Tony Bender, What would you do?
Speaker 3: Let me think about that a second.
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Speaker 1: Let's go a stool sports and are stool sports okay?
Speaker 1: Bellachuck and Hudson are reportedly engaged me Mary, dates have
Speaker 1: been set.
Speaker 3: There's the ring. Look at that? Have you seen the ring?
Speaker 3: Look at that? Are we sureed us?
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 4: AI?
Speaker 10: Driven? Because that's an old picture. AI think that's a
Speaker 10: one thousand percent. That's an old picture. It's a size
Speaker 10: of research. Think so you don't have to. She will
Speaker 10: get every picture against my will. That is a right there,
Speaker 10: say I look at it. Look at her fingers segment,
Speaker 10: look at that finger. I get right, it's blinding me.
Speaker 10: Well you got that from Home City Ice huh.
Speaker 3: Love will find a way.
Speaker 10: Maybe they will be happy for the next twenty five years. Sake,
Speaker 10: Who are you to judge? He'll be one hundred years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it'll be in high school. There'll be one
Speaker 3: hundred and she wants to have babies. What if you
Speaker 3: have an eighteen year old he'll be like ninety four?
Speaker 3: Now that would that? I mean, it was just the
Speaker 3: whole thing blows up.
Speaker 10: Then if it comes out that she's pregnant, that would
Speaker 10: be the best.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, a little billy.
Speaker 1: What does he get from hers? What we talked about this?
Speaker 1: You know the answer about this.
Speaker 10: It's a certain part of the female anatomy that is undefeated,
Speaker 10: untied on the quart upon and his.
Speaker 3: Excid Yep, ain't that the true LEP's got it? Go ahead?
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, the Reds look to make it six in
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Speaker 3: New York Times is.
Speaker 1: A story on it now too, about the engagement and
Speaker 1: who's coming to the party.
Speaker 3: Well you, if invited, would you go? Of course? Se heck? Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it's gonna be a heck of a birthday.
Speaker 2: Ton A.
Speaker 3: Have a gender reveal party too, if she's pregnant. Kelsey
Speaker 3: Chevrolet Extra Raading Show after the game gender reveal.
Speaker 10: I remember it was about eight years ago you said
Speaker 10: a gender reveal party was something much different than what.
Speaker 3: It is, and now it's.
Speaker 4: To you.
Speaker 3: I don't even know anyway.
Speaker 7: A hundred Green's gonna start Friday against the Cubs.
Speaker 3: He's coming off the.
Speaker 1: I L He said, put down in your pipe and
Speaker 1: smoke of those who criticized my relationship with my miss
Speaker 1: Maine and thirty.
Speaker 3: He comes out and he wins seven or eight games forgotten.
Speaker 3: He gets into college playoffs. Oh oh, they haven't easy schedule.
Speaker 10: They don't play Miami, don't play, don't plays.
Speaker 1: Maybe you would know, haven't they not won an ACC
Speaker 1: championship since the Truman administration something like that. He was
Speaker 1: a close friend of Bill Berber.
Speaker 3: They have, They have a.
Speaker 10: Manageable schedule, manageambently. Their quarterback is actually I think it's
Speaker 10: Geo Lopez. He's a transfer from South Alabama, Yes.
Speaker 3: Segment South Alabama.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, we say congrats today to Miami head coach
Speaker 7: Brian Smiley. The mid American Conference Baseball Coach of the Year.
Speaker 7: Cooper Katski is the MAC Pitcher of the Year out
Speaker 7: of Miami. Also, we say congrats today the Big Ten
Speaker 7: Baseball Freshman of the Year at A Mason the home
Speaker 7: of the Transmitter, Jake Hanley snakehand three thirty eight batting average,
Speaker 7: fourteen homers, fifty two RBI.
Speaker 1: How about this, Jordan Hudson is demanding editorial control over
Speaker 1: a successful, long running TV franchise, some NFL films, and
Speaker 1: she wants intellectual property rights. The Hard Knocks was scheduled
Speaker 1: to go there and pay the university, him and everybody
Speaker 1: a bunch of money. She said, no, I want to
Speaker 1: Basically the writer first Refugal wants I want to be
Speaker 1: able to control what has said what is it?
Speaker 3: And they said no, Nope. She wants to tell the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what to do from the school, dude.
Speaker 1: School of cosmetology of the NFL will tell her what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: You're from where? No, we're not NFL.
Speaker 10: No, She's got to wake up every day and pinch herself,
Speaker 10: like God, two years ago, where was I?
Speaker 3: But what is she getting out of it?
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Speaker 7: Today's feeling good, Looking good. He said he's all in
Speaker 7: favor of Trey Hendrickson getting paid and there may be
Speaker 7: some changes about him playing and other players in the
Speaker 7: preseason to get off to a better start.
Speaker 5: Rock.
Speaker 3: Your reaction to this.
Speaker 10: Well, we talked about this. Zach Tayler said, we got
Speaker 10: to get off to a better start, which is they're
Speaker 10: gonna chan be true. So that means you can't just
Speaker 10: talk about it. Must change, win the pair, must change
Speaker 10: how you his first two games, you got to win
Speaker 10: those and then they got the gauntlet after the.
Speaker 7: List right here list Shamar Stewart remains unsigned. There's it's
Speaker 7: continued dispute over language in the contract. What kind of
Speaker 7: language I don't know, Kenny, Kenny, I mean English.
Speaker 1: You picked the Bengals, You got the Bengals to win
Speaker 1: the first two games season, and you got the Bengals winning.
Speaker 1: They have like two ties on there, two ties and overtime.
Speaker 1: I got two ties on the schedule. If I get
Speaker 1: those two, that'll be it there. It is wrong keeping
Speaker 1: this Rock for the got mine here right here, you
Speaker 1: picked the Bengals seven. I got him eleven and six
Speaker 1: all the way to the Bowl seventeen. And oh that's right,
Speaker 1: punning NBC News. She appears to be a control freak
Speaker 1: of the highest order, coming off as a future wife.
Speaker 1: Have your future husband's back. Who's never had the backing
Speaker 1: of those close to him? Is that true? Belichick had
Speaker 1: the backing of those close to him? Was he ever married?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was married. It's kids. Then he had the
Speaker 3: girlfriend for a while, and then.
Speaker 1: Oh he got the defensive coordinator. He's got grandkids, I assume, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but now he finds true love.
Speaker 3: He's taking them this longe. That's the other thing.
Speaker 10: As I've said, people are worried about that he just
Speaker 10: took this job just to get his son off on
Speaker 10: the right foot and get him a spot as a decordinator.
Speaker 1: She told a girlfriend what was once Lady Macbeth becomes
Speaker 1: Juliette looking out for her Romeo Bill Belichick starring as Romeo.
Speaker 10: But do you think behind the scenes like he goes like, listen,
Speaker 10: I got went down.
Speaker 3: We need you to kind of fade off into the.
Speaker 1: Background, Bill Belichick, And you're the school of cosmetology.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just scard.
Speaker 4: Let me be a.
Speaker 3: Finished doesn't enjoy the ride. Enjoy the ride, but you
Speaker 3: ain't got to be meddling everything. She finished third in
Speaker 3: the Miss Main contest. I ought to tell you something,
Speaker 3: she said. It's a true partnership. Fourth place was a transgender,
Speaker 3: wasn't it transgender? You can't say that. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 3: say that. Thanks a lot, Dare. I'm gonna hit the
Speaker 3: dump button.
Speaker 10: She said, You're not very good at that.
Speaker 1: That's a good one right there. Now, that was very
Speaker 1: good Rock, Thank you. This is a true partnership and
Speaker 1: both personal and business. I'm getting them changed.
Speaker 5: That was awkward.
Speaker 3: I'm changing the subject right now. They as the damn thing.
Speaker 3: Look at it there? If I hit the dump button?
Speaker 3: What would happen? Do we explode? Nothing? Nothing to me,
Speaker 3: I'm closer to it.
Speaker 1: Donald, I'm afraid touching something bad le happened literally clearly,
Speaker 1: this is a true partnership for business and pleasure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she says, what does he get out of it?
Speaker 3: Anyway? What do you got coming on? We have penetration.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we have Mike Allen Junior right out of the
Speaker 10: gate talking about the Supreme Court decision allowing Trump to
Speaker 10: revote the protective status of the Venezuelans.
Speaker 3: Not well covered by the media. Think about it.
Speaker 10: And also he's going after a birthright citizenship that has
Speaker 10: to do with the fourteenth Amendment. We'll talk to Mike
Speaker 10: Allen Junior about that. I have my thoughts and that.
Speaker 10: At four o'clock we have Macmarannie who's he's a polypcy guy,
Speaker 10: but he's also a professor, going to talk about the
Speaker 10: use of AI in academia and AI kind of a
Speaker 10: everyone does it right A brands from a story I saw.
Speaker 3: Get this.
Speaker 10: This is a I don't know if it was the
Speaker 10: Chicago Tribune, but a Chicago newspaper. The editor published a
Speaker 10: list of the top fifteen summer reads. Some of the
Speaker 10: books you should read, and like ten of them work
Speaker 10: were fake. So what he had done was he went
Speaker 10: to AI and and you know, hit the little microphone
Speaker 10: and said, you know, what are the top fifteen books
Speaker 10: to read?
Speaker 3: And it just spit out. He didn't do any research.
Speaker 3: Talk to the law rock.
Speaker 1: I bet the little rock right now is using AI
Speaker 1: to do his book reports. I think it's pretty much
Speaker 1: college kids. Is that eighty ninety percent is all AI?
Speaker 10: But but at what point it raises a bigger issue, like,
Speaker 10: at what point is it your work? At what point
Speaker 10: do you you know? Does anybody value it? If if
Speaker 10: you just asked it a question and the computer generated it,
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But what about let me.
Speaker 10: Ask you this, you two sake? What about a book?
Speaker 10: I mean they can AI can write books right now?
Speaker 10: Can can can write songs? Would you like and appreciate
Speaker 10: a book that.
Speaker 3: Was written by Ai? No? I wouldn't.
Speaker 10: Yes, you think you're getting the story from an experience author?
Speaker 3: Do you read book?
Speaker 5: Can you?
Speaker 3: Can you read?
Speaker 1: No? Well Man sent me a text saying you can't read?
Speaker 1: Is that true? I'd say, I don't. I don't respond
Speaker 1: to ignorant. There's that number again. Fourteen segment, Get me
Speaker 1: out of the STOOSI report.
Speaker 3: Well you an honor of National Rescue Dog Day, in
Speaker 3: honor of the Zumi, and happy birthday to Ohio's first
Speaker 3: Lady brand.
Speaker 10: Is it National Rescue Dog Day or National Dog Rescue Day?
Speaker 3: Those are two different things. We leave you with the
Speaker 3: immortal words of the stood report.
Speaker 4: Always good to be with you, Bill, see you later.
Speaker 1: And the first Lady of Ohio Today, she's fifty six
Speaker 1: years old. Is that correct that I don't know on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WULW