WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:09.439 Billy cunning in the Great American Reds Baseball kicked off 2 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:12.240 about five forty tonight in Pittchburgh. Now winners of five 3 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.720 in a row, marching for glory this weekend, a big 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:18.000 series here with the Chicago Cubs. But until then, Jonan, 5 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.000 you and I now is Michael Wright, who's the civil 6 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.160 attorney for the estate of Ryan Hinton, the eighteen year 7 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.120 old teenager shot and killed by Cincinnati police. And Michael Wright, 8 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:30.480 welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, 9 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.280 I wanted a touch base with you after the comments 10 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:36.039 yesterday of last me so Marco, as you may know, 11 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:38.399 I had her on with me and she talked about 12 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:42.439 the bullet wound that killed Ryan Hinton, which maybe factually 13 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.759 was in conflict to what the chief of police had 14 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:47.640 said the day after the shooting. And I wanted to 15 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:50.000 see what impact that has on your case, if anything. 16 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:56.479 Oh, absolutely, I think it is significant. The fact that 17 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:01.759 the chief and the corner can't get on the same page. 18 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:06.000 I mean, that's pretty interesting. We I believe that you know, 19 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:12.239 what the chief was saying has been intentionally misleading from 20 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:17.079 the corners report. He was shot in the left forearm. 21 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:23.599 He was shot. It says left lateral chests below the armpit. Now, 22 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.120 and that's not what she said when she was on 23 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:28.920 your show. She said that he was shot in the chest, 24 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:34.239 mid center the chest and he was shot below the armpit. 25 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.680 And the third finding, which was pretty interesting, was that 26 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:42.799 he was shot in the back. It says right postereo 27 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:47.000 lateral chest, so basically he was shot in the back 28 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.280 behind the right shoulder. So, you know, I think the 29 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.239 chief has some explaining to do. Why this she was 30 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.879 intentionally misleading, and I believe that you know this really 31 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:06.439 this is really interesting that you know, these facts are 32 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:10.360 coming out. We did an independent autopsy and we have 33 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:14.159 not released the results yet because we are waiting for 34 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:18.800 information from the corner that we requested, such as photographs 35 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.400 and things of that nature that they have not sent 36 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.840 to us. So, you know, we believed all along this 37 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:30.840 was a bad shoot, and this is more indication, more 38 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.919 evidence that this was an unlawful shooting of Ryan Hinton. 39 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:41.759 But again, we're still investigating, and we unlike the Cincinnati 40 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.599 Police Department, unlike the Corner's office, we're not going to 41 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.639 do things piecemeal. We're going to have all our information 42 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.759 together and we will present all at one time. What 43 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.240 we believe will show the unwallful killing of Ryan. 44 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.800 And Hinton Michael right, Let's break it down, doctor Lasmisimaco said. 45 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.800 An autopsy revealed Ryan Hinton had three gunshot wounds, one 46 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.520 in the left forearm, one in the left lateral chest, 47 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.639 and one near the right part of the chest. I 48 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.159 asked her yesterday, could there'd be two shots that hit 49 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:21.639 his body causing three gunshot wounds? She said yes, But 50 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.560 I asked her. I asked her specifically, the one in 51 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.719 the left forearm and the one in the left lateral 52 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.759 chest could be one bullet that exit at the sternum, 53 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.960 and one shot was say, in the woods somewhere, and 54 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.199 the one near the right part of the chest launched 55 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.039 himself at the base of the skull. And I asked her, well, 56 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.520 how do you shoot somebody on the right side of 57 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.400 the chest there if they're running, if they're in front 58 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.479 of you, running away from you on the right And 59 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.719 she said, well, it could have been the first shot, 60 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.960 which may I use the term kill shot, is the 61 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.879 one that took out part of his heart and that 62 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.960 could have flipped his body to the right that caused 63 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.639 that bullet wounded the right part of the chest with 64 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.240 a bullet lodging up by a skull. Isn't that a 65 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:06.520 reasonable assumption or not? 66 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:12.879 Well, I don't believe so. Our corner, independent corner, does 67 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:16.959 not believe so. But again we're waiting for all the evidence, 68 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:21.279 all the information, everything that we requested from the corner 69 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.959 in order for us to finish our independent autopsy. So 70 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:32.079 that doesn't sound plausible. However, you know that's their you 71 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.000 know that that's their story, and they're sticking to it 72 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.759 at this point. But what's interesting is that it's all piecemeled, 73 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:43.680 you know, her autopsy. I've never seen an autopsy like this. 74 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:49.079 It was just three sentences that that makes no sense. 75 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.639 So again, oh go ahead. 76 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.720 You know fairly, Michael, right, there's nothing in here to 77 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.319 indicate that he was shot in the back. She uses 78 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:01.480 the term left forearm, left life chest and one near 79 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:02.680 the right part of the chest. 80 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.879 I don't see the word back anywhere in there. 81 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:10.480 Well, and there again they're being intentionally misleading. Right posterior 82 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.360 lateral chest adjacent to the shoulder. He was shot in 83 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:21.279 the back. So again, intentionally misleading information that is being 84 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:26.959 piece milled by this department that's investigating themselves. 85 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.079 Do you have a corner, do you have an equal 86 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.399 you have a corner saying these findings have doctor Lasmi 87 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:34.720 Samaka are not accurate. 88 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.040 Yes, we do, but we are waiting for the additional 89 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:46.920 information that we requested to finalize. You know, our corner's report. 90 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.920 Can you address yourself to the issue of an eighteen 91 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.120 year old illegally with a gun, pulling it out of 92 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:58.360 the car that he was stolen, running four or five steps, falling, 93 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.160 dropping the gun, and picking up back up. Isn't that 94 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.120 an indication that he intended to use it if he 95 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.319 picked it up at least twice. 96 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.959 No, absolutely not, that's not what that means. Let's let's 97 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.040 let's look at how he was shot. He was running 98 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.120 away and even with the chief said, there's nothing in 99 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:22.000 the video that indicates that he was pointing the gun 100 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.600 towards an officer. And what's even more interesting, Bill, was 101 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:32.000 that it was an undercover officer, a detective that shot him. 102 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.839 It wasn't a uniformed officer that shot him. So how 103 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.800 do we know that, Ryan, Well, one, there's nothing indicating 104 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:45.079 or showing that he pointed the gun towards this officer. 105 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.040 And let's say, for argument's sake, that he did. If 106 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:54.319 this is an If this is an ununiformed officer that's 107 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.720 pointing a gun at you, how does Ryan know this 108 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.720 is not the person that owned the vehicle that was 109 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.800 coming after him with a gun trying to get their 110 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:04.680 vehicle back. 111 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.399 So, Michael, right, you're saying that the officer who killed 112 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.439 Ryan Hinton was not in uniform? Is that what you're saying? 113 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:14.720 That's what I'm saying. This was an undercover and as 114 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:18.040 the chief, As the chief indicated when she spoke to you, 115 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:23.800 she said that once the uniform officers got there, the 116 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:30.040 undercover officers were supposed to back off. So again, intentionally 117 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:34.399 misleading statements that we are still trying to piece together. 118 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.759 But you know, we're not going to make, you know, 119 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:44.360 statements that we can't back up. So again, once we're 120 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:48.560 finished with our investigation, we're going to present the evidence 121 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.439 that we believe is going to show that this was 122 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:56.439 an unlawful shoot, that the officer should not have been 123 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:01.000 in reasonable fear for his life, that Ryan was running away, 124 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.519 trying to get away, this officer shot him in the 125 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.959 side and also in the back. And what we're still 126 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.439 trying to determine also is whether or not there was 127 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.439 more than one shooter. We don't have that information either, 128 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:21.879 so we requested the corner's information, the ballistics information. We 129 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:23.480 have not received that either. 130 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.319 Wasn't it wrong for Ryan Hinton at the age of 131 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:29.319 eighteen to illegally possess a gun and to steal a car? 132 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.200 Didn't his behavior bring about his own death in a 133 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.519 sense by illegally committing felonies at the moment he was 134 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.559 shot because you can't be under twenty one to have 135 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.279 a firearm, and he had a handgun. 136 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:41.639 And not hard to agree that. 137 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:46.679 I would agree that his behavior was not what he 138 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.320 should have been doing. However, that doesn't mean that he 139 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.360 should get the death sentence by an officer that should 140 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.279 not have shot. 141 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.320 Let's talk about the gun itself pointed, according to the 142 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.240 Cincinnati Police, and I have the statement originally here of 143 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.320 the Chief of Police who talked about this is the 144 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.440 day after the event took place, and she essentially said, 145 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.480 I'm gonna share it with you. This is from the 146 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:19.919 Cincinnati Police on Tuesday morning. Cincinnati Police officers from the 147 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:23.840 Fugitive Apprehension Squad, we're investigating a stolen car near East 148 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.080 Price Hill. When the officers approached the car, four suspects 149 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.080 jumped out of the car and ran. One of the 150 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.960 suspects pulled a semi automatic handgun and pointed it at 151 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.080 an officer. That officer fired his weapon, hitting the suspect, 152 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.679 the armed suspect instead. No other officers were injured. They're 153 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.320 saying in this statement quote pointed it at an officer. 154 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.440 Are you contending that is false? 155 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:52.320 That's absolutely false. It's intentionally misleading. And then she says 156 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.679 that there's no video evidence that would substantiate or that 157 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.759 would confirm that the gun was pointed at an officer. 158 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:07.960 So absolutely false, misleading statements that we disagree with. 159 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.720 It does the videotape, which the blurry. I've seen it 160 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.039 one hundred times. You probably seen it five hundred times. 161 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:21.679 It's blurry, and I can't see him having a gun 162 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.039 in his right hand, and the officer said he did. 163 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:30.600 And the videotape, to be generous, is blurry. How can 164 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.720 you make this statement he didn't have it when there's 165 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.159 not video evidence that he did or didn't. From my 166 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.639 perspective as a great American, I looked at that a lot, 167 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.840 and it's so blurry. I can't see what's in his hand, 168 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.919 if anything, can you right? 169 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.159 No, absolutely no. So how does the chief make the 170 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.679 statement that he pointed it at the officer and that's 171 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:56.240 why the officer discharged his firearm and left out the 172 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.399 fact that this was a undercover detective clothes officer. So 173 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.919 you know this, there's just a lot of things that 174 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.720 don't add up there. There there's a lot of information, 175 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:15.279 there's a lot of statements that just don't they they 176 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:19.039 don't fit together. So that's why we are still investigating. 177 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:23.440 That's why we have not come out and made you know, 178 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:28.840 uh statements to the fact that this was absolutely a 179 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.120 bad shoot early on. But the more information that we 180 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.759 are getting, you know, it points to the fact that 181 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.000 Ryan should should still be here with us. He should 182 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.080 not have been shot and killed by the officer. It 183 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.559 was an unlawful shoot, and you know, we are going 184 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.200 to hold the department accountable. 185 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.879 Michael, right, I'll paraphrase a little bit what the chief 186 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:55.919 of police said to me on the air, and also 187 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.840 the coroner and also Ken kober Uh, the Queen City Police. 188 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.960 The president of the lodge said, an officer does not 189 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.559 have to wait for an armed suspect to point a 190 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.759 gun at them or to fire around to respond. And 191 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.519 and and there was a gun. I've seen the picture 192 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:17.000 of the nine millimeter gun on the on the on 193 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.480 the pavement. I've seen pictures of it. Is that Ryan 194 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:21.320 Hinton's gun. 195 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.120 He had it in his possession. So whether or not 196 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.240 it was his gun, I can't speak directly to that, 197 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:32.879 but yes, it was in his possession, all right. 198 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.480 If it's in his possession, he. 199 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.480 Did he did fall, he did pick it up, he 200 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:42.519 did run away from the officers. But this officer shot 201 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.159 him in the side, and he has a bullet in 202 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.399 his back, so there was no He did not even 203 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.399 look in the officer's direction. So it is not reasonable 204 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.200 for the officer to use deadly force in this situation 205 00:12:58.639 --> 00:12:59.360 when it does not. 206 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.039 The video shows him picking up the weapon and running 207 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:05.879 between the big dumpsters. Can you say whether your client 208 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.279 had the gun in his right hand at the moment 209 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:08.840 he was shot. 210 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:14.120 I can't at this point, Bill, We're still investigating. As 211 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.919 you indicated, the video is very blurry. Blurry video is 212 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.279 hard to see. So you know, how do you make 213 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.919 the determination? How did the chief make the determination that 214 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.720 you know? It makes the statement that it was pointed 215 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:32.440 at the officer when the officer took a shot. Furthermore, 216 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:37.720 the officer shot him from the side. Ryan was running, 217 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.000 He was trying to get away, So it doesn't make 218 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:45.200 a lot of sense. So again, we're still investigating. But 219 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:51.120 as we do more and more investigation, it appears and 220 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:57.600 the story does not jive with the facts and circumstances 221 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:58.679 of the evidence. 222 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.039 Did he do you have any illegal substances in his body? 223 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:02.399 Do you know? 224 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.600 I can't answer that. I asked, We asked for the 225 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:11.720 corner's report and we got three sinces, so I can't. 226 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.679 I can't answer that. And whether or not he did 227 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.039 or did not, I don't think that has anything to 228 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.240 do with whether or not the officer, would you know, 229 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.240 have taken this unlawful shot. 230 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.399 Lastly, when the officers pulled up into a condo project, 231 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.159 I believe there's one way up, one way out. Uh, 232 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:36.639 weren't there marked police cars present and officers in uniform 233 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:38.600 present in uniform at the. 234 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:39.639 Time your client was shot? 235 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:41.440 Yes? 236 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:42.000 There was? 237 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:45.559 Okay, so your guy was Your guy was running away 238 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:49.200 from police that were in uniform. I would assume someone's 239 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.360 yelling stop, and someone yelled gun, gun, gun, and. 240 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.360 Well we heard gun, gun gun. I don't know if 241 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.519 I heard stop, we're still going. 242 00:14:58.600 --> 00:14:59.759 I didn't see that. 243 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.519 Yeah, we heard gun gun, gun, and I believe that 244 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.720 was the reason for the shot. I don't believe that 245 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.279 the officer or the undercovered detective even saw the gun. 246 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.600 He just heard another officer yo, gun gun gun, saw 247 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.879 someone running and then took took shots. 248 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.120 Well, I would point out again that the Cincinnati Police 249 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.960 are saying that the suspect pulled a semi automatic handgun 250 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:32.440 pointed at an officer, and I guess this. Some say 251 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.159 that's not critical because you can't wait to be shot 252 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.080 at or have a gun pointed at you to return fire. 253 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.960 That the mere possession of the firearm by someone of 254 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:44.279 fleeing felon puts the officers at a life at risk. 255 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:45.320 But you disagree with that. 256 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.159 I disagree. And they also said he was shot twice, 257 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:53.480 that that was not the case. So you know, just 258 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:58.440 all this investigation has not been handled correctly. And I 259 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.440 even with regards to the corner, I thought it was 260 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.320 suspicious as it relates to the corner was having a 261 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.799 press conference. Then stop the press conference because the grand 262 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:11.279 jury subpoenas and then had a press conference. And you know, 263 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.279 we don't know what they are trying to hide. Was 264 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.279 there a grand jury, what were the findings? I mean, 265 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:21.279 this just doesn't none of this adds up. 266 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.120 Michael, Right, what's your next step for the state of 267 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:25.720 Ryan Hinton? What's your next step? 268 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.159 Well, our next step is hopefully to receive all the 269 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.080 information that we requested. Once we've done that, then we 270 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.759 will make a decision as to our steps going forward. 271 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.080 All right, Michael Wright of the Cochrane Law Firm, thanks 272 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.399 for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. The investigation continues, 273 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.679 and Michael, thank you very much. 274 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:46.279 Thank you for having me. 275 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.440 Well, let's continue with more. There you have it, and 276 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.600 it could be a he said, she said, And I 277 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.279 don't know. You can look at the videotape a thousand 278 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.480 times and it is so blurry you can't see what 279 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.039 is or what is not in Ryan Hinton's hands. I 280 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:03.679 can't see it, and I don't think the chief of 281 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.960 police sees it. But the officer said it was there 282 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:09.880 and in his mind it was a good shoot. We'll 283 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:12.759 see what happens. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News 284 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:13.759 Radio seven hundred. 285 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:14.519 Wow. 286 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.039 I want to set up the rest of today's big show, 287 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:20.559 a big news conference at one o'clock with the Attorney 288 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:25.160 General will be here about this proud sourcing website that's 289 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.680 raised so far fifty thousand dollars. Fifty thousand dollars for 290 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.799 the defense of Rodney Hinton, the father of the eighteen 291 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.680 year old. And that's kind of sick and said, but 292 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.599 it's the society in which we live today. Some of 293 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:43.240 the comments are discussing online. And Sergeant Dan Hills be 294 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.960 with us after one o'clock to talk about talk about 295 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.319 that issue Tennessee. 296 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.880 The case law is Tennessee. 297 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.720 Versus Gardner, which is well known in law school, and 298 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.440 I want to read to you the three or four 299 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:01.079 sentences that matter when the police offers can use deadly force. 300 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:04.240 Deadly force can only be used if an officer has 301 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.799 probable cause to believe the suspect poses a significant threat 302 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:13.799 of death or serious bodily harm. So you put yourself 303 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:17.519 in the shoes of that plane's closed detectives part of 304 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:21.240 a fugitive unit of CPD. And did he have reasonable 305 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:26.039 cause to believe that the suspect posed a significant threat 306 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.039 of death or serious physical harm. Any objective person would 307 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.880 have to say not yes, They'd have to say hell yes, 308 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:38.359 hell yes, because it was a life and death struggle. Now, 309 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.599 the particulars these things are like cast rules, various ingredients go. 310 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:45.480 And so whether he had the gun in his right 311 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.359 hand at the time the fatal shot was fired by 312 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:53.079 CPD is a factor, but is not this positive. Whether 313 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.599 or not he was running toward the officer against the officer, 314 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.599 away from the officer. That those are all part of 315 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.519 the investigation. But how long would it have taken for 316 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.519 the Ryan Hidton to instead of being a fleeing a follon, 317 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:10.920 to become a murder of a police officer? What a 318 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:15.720 quarter of a second? And so it was probably intemperate, 319 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.240 and I use the term intemperate. Look Chief of Police 320 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.920 Thiji is a good woman and she's been there a 321 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.480 long time. She comes from a long distinguished family of 322 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.759 police officers. And in retrospect, she probably should have waited 323 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.559 as far as holding a news conference to stay the 324 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.759 bullet went in the chest and came out the back. 325 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:40.319 Because doctor Somarco said yesterday, well that's not exactly accurate. 326 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:42.720 She didn't say it was an accurate She said this, 327 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.240 these are my findings. I'm not going to say anything 328 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.880 about the chief of police saying something different, which I 329 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.920 fully understand. That the kill shots, so to speak, she 330 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.200 described as being about four inches below the left armpit 331 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.200 where a woman's sprawlstrap, that's the term she used, might 332 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.200 be and shattered a rib, went through the heart and 333 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:03.200 came out to sternum. 334 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:05.359 That is, shall we say non survivable. 335 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.640 Is that bullet was transvert traveling from the outside of 336 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.279 the body to the sternum. We're talking maybe one hundredth 337 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.039 of a second. That could have caused his body to 338 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.160 turn and resulting in the second wound. Then ended up 339 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.119 with a bullet lodged in the base of a skull 340 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.000 in the back. Could have been but we're not short. 341 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.039 We're never gonna know. The shots fired by the police, 342 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.279 there were four or five. They were in very rapid succession. 343 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:35.680 The one person in charge of the homicide of Ryan 344 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:43.640 Hinton was Ryan Hinton. He made serious, terribly flawed decisions 345 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:47.799 resulting in his own death. Number One, Stealing cars is 346 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:51.599 a rough business. He's got a previous record for stealing cars, 347 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:54.240 along with at least two of the other three. They're 348 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.119 in the business of stealing cars. Talk to Benjamin Addison's 349 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:03.079 family about how dangerous it is to steal cars, very dangerous. Secondly, 350 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.839 this car was stolen in Edgewood, Kentucky, in Kenton County. 351 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.359 That aspect is under investigation by Rob Sanders. Whose car 352 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.799 was it? The tracking device? Was there a nine millimeter 353 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.160 in the car that was stolen with the car? But 354 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.839 whatever it is, Ryan Hinton was illegally possessing a handgun. 355 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.119 You can't be under twenty one years old in Ohio 356 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.079 and possess a handgun. And secondly, when you're a felon, 357 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.799 he had felony convictions. I understand as a juvenile really 358 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.680 can't possess a handgun. So all he had to do 359 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:36.799 was what the other three had done, which is run 360 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.319 like jack rabbits, run away. There was one person in 361 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:43.640 that car that picked up a firearm and that was 362 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.440 Ryan Hinton. There was one person that kept it in 363 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.319 his possession for three or four quick steps away from 364 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.240 the cops, and that was Ryan Hinton. There was one 365 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.160 person who slipped and fell, causing the firearm to leave 366 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:59.559 his body temporarily, and one person picked it up and 367 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.079 that was Ry Hinton. And there was one person that 368 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:05.240 ran between the metal dumpsters instead of the other direction to. 369 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.039 Get away, and that was Ryan Hinton. 370 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:12.720 It's a factor a little bit whether or not he 371 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.200 had possession of the gun in his right hand. You 372 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:20.519 just heard the attorney, mister Wright say it's uncertain whether 373 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.839 he had the gun or not. And there's a gun 374 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.920 picture right there. Maybe the gun fell from his hand 375 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:31.119 when he was shot. And the video is blurry. You 376 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.680 can watch it one hundred times and is so blurry 377 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.599 you can't determine what was in his hand or not. 378 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.759 And it was only from a distance of about twelve 379 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:42.960 feet and the officer was running as heart was beating gun, gun, gun. 380 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:47.200 The training kicked in and he responded one good thing. 381 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.079 And I think Dan Hills may touch on this after 382 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:55.640 one o'clock that here we sit on what May the twentieth, 383 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.079 and these events took place on May the first, it's 384 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.839 been almost three weeks. On Friday of last week, when 385 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.480 I had on Connie Pillage, the county prosecutor, she said, 386 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.880 there's nothing I've seen at this point that would indicate 387 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:14.920 the police officer did anything criminally wrong. And that was 388 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.400 as of four days ago, which was more than two 389 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.519 weeks after the event, which means Connie Pillage and her 390 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.519 staff and new prosecutor Hemlet County has gone over that 391 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.519 videotape I would say five hundred times. And she knows 392 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.400 all the evidence about the videotape and what it shows. 393 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.000 She knows a lot more about the case than you 394 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.559 and I know about right now, and she says she 395 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.279 has seen nothing to indicate a criminal act took place 396 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.920 by Cincinnati police. I'm hanging my hat on that hook 397 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.039 that our new county prosecutor. By the way, I'm going 398 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.599 to ask the Attorney General, David Yost with me in 399 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:56.279 about twenty minutes. He's gonna, I'm sorry, in about an 400 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:58.759 iron twenty minutes as to whether or not what is 401 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.799