WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:06.280 Meaning a man like this man letting butterfly flapping his wing. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:07.360 They've done in a force. 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.240 Man, it gonna cause a tree fall letting five thousand 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:10.880 miles away. 5 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:12.960 Many nobody see, Nobody else. 6 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:17.719 Might see. 7 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.559 You don't need no man, don't They's like you followed 8 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.800 another story and you got back to flect that that's 9 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.679 the way. Man, don't blackly d on the panel. Man, 10 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:28.800 You don't don't better, man, I. 11 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:39.759 Don't any few words come to dominate the conversation more 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:45.159 than shell. Right, someone who is paid to offer their opinion. Now, 13 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.560 some of this right is the explosion of influencers. Traditional 14 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.520 media is well and truly dying, and the fraction of 15 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:57.640 people who make decisions, whether political or consumer decisions, based 16 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:00.840 off of traditional media is to decline. Let me just 17 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:05.200 look at what happened to car magazines. They barely exist anymore. 18 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:07.799 I think you can still go to newsstands and buy them. 19 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.280 But what really matters is what's big on social media. 20 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.519 Big on YouTube, big on TikTok, big on Instagram, And 21 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.359 that applies to pretty much every hobby, and it certainly 22 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.200 applies to politics. I mean, look at what I'm doing here. 23 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.359 But with that, of course, comes the shill, right, someone 24 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.719 who uses their audience to enrich themselves, get paid to 25 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.640 say certain things. You now, a lot of times this 26 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:38.000 is just undisclosed advertising or even disclosed advertising. You know, 27 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.760 this episode brought to you by insert whatever it is. 28 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.200 And I think that we are well attuned to that, right, 29 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:50.480 the deliberate paid speaker. Let me see this with influencers 30 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:55.640 all the time. You know, even Tim Poole, right, got 31 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:57.719 busted for taking a whole bunch of money from Russia. 32 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.000 And maybe he didn't know and don't know the specific 33 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.040 of that. That DNC twin carries this on. I think 34 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.719 that's how you say his name, right. They are a 35 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.280 number of these, right on both sides of the political 36 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:14.599 wile because people understand one it's cheaper, right, you don't 37 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.319 have to spend a lot of money to get a 38 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.719 lot of result. And two, this is how decisions are made, 39 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.680 This is how people formulate their opinions. They go to 40 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.159 the Internet, they don't go to traditional media. And when 41 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:31.080 we're looking at a time like ours where the conservative movement, 42 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.199 which okay we may not be a part of, but 43 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.199 we're certainly in dialogue with conservatives, are floundering become really 44 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.840 difficult to figure out, Well, where is this coming from? 45 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.680 Some of it, like I said, is direct. So this race, 46 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.919 Thomas Massey's primary has been really fascinating because a lot 47 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.319 of money has been going and I'm sure you guys 48 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:55.840 all remember what with polymarket no points for guessing, you 49 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.080 know where they get their money from? Who owns it? 50 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:03.840 But of course, right, big kind of nothing sex scandal. 51 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:08.960 His ex girlfriend alleges that he got her fired from 52 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:14.439 her job I think an intern right after they broke up. 53 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.039 There's nothing to it, right, He denies it. Everyone at 54 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.159 the office she works at denies it. Her friends deny it. 55 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.000 It's nothing, but it was promoted because they want Massy up, 56 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:30.039 and very quickly, of course Polymarket, which weirdly enough, the 57 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.439 betting markets have sort of become a stand in for 58 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.120 polling shift dramatically and that becomes the error, that becomes 59 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.080 the point you promote. Oh he's cooked, he's done, and 60 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.240 who knows, right, we haven't actually finished the primary yet. 61 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.560 Like I said in the episode, I'm not the biggest 62 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:49.199 Massy guy, but you know what, as much as it matters, 63 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.280 he's got my support. And so there's that the kind 64 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:56.479 of direct reaching your fingers into the conversation. But there's 65 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:00.599 another level as well, a kind of softer control. I 66 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.639 think it's very important to look at, and it's important 67 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.680 to examine when we're wondering, well, why can't the right 68 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.840 get anything done? Why does it seem that you know, 69 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:13.599 there's there's money raised, there's a project, and then nothing right? 70 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.439 And all that just comes down to soft control, the 71 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:22.199 kind of carrot and sticks the decentralized media landscape enables. 72 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:26.680 So money is perhaps the easiest one. So X formerly 73 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.199 Twitter pays you, right, you can get a decent amount 74 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.040 of money by posting there, But of course it's a 75 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:37.519 constantly adjusted algorithm, so you are getting played, right, You 76 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.560 are getting paid to produce certain types of content, and 77 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.160 sometimes that's just a formatting thing. You know, how short 78 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.680 is it? Is it too repetitive? Whatever? You can kind 79 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.920 of understand, right, X is a business, and certainly you 80 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.040 know there are sort of things that they would rather 81 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.439 you be doing than things that they wouldn't. But you're 82 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.519 an idiot if you think that it only applies to 83 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:58.959 that sort of stuff, That only applies to how long 84 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.879 the video is. If you're spamming content every five minute right. 85 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:08.319 That enables people to control the conversation, to lead people 86 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:10.759 with money and on the back end, of course, with 87 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.920 bands or restrictions, into talking what they want to talk about. 88 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.279 And I think that this is really interesting when we 89 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.759 look at why certain stories disappear or certain stories won't disappear. 90 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:27.120 Epstein is great example. Right, that story is still big 91 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.920 in the culture. Right, people are talking about it. It's 92 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:35.279 a joke in certain context. Right, people bring it up 93 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.279 as you know, a celebrity roasts and the like. The 94 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.920 media is done with it, they've moved on, and big 95 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:46.079 influencers their following course, something is being moving on from it. 96 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.240 And I think that there's another thing to be aware 97 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:52.120 if we're talking about this sort of cognito warfare, right, 98 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:56.480 is that also there's a deliberate desire in my mind 99 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.920 to pollute the waters, right, to promote using those same 100 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.759 carrots and sticks we talked about, whether it's money or 101 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:08.000 reach or whatever, a deliberately dumb or inflammatory version. So 102 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.680 you saw this with the nine eleven Truther stuff, right, 103 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.360 what gets the big headlines. It's loose change. It's a 104 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.720 kind of overly conspiratorial view of what it was, and 105 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.399 the very real concerns of like, well, wait a minute, 106 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.199 who trained these guys wide and seemingly, you know, our 107 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.600 government and the government Israel seemed to know about this, right, 108 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.040 there were very suspicious things on the front end. Let 109 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:35.160 alone that the flight that went down over Pennsylvania, with 110 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.600 the very real questions was that shot down. That all 111 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:43.240 gets kind of swept under the rug. Conversation becomes holograms, 112 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:48.639 becomes integral explosives built into the towers, things like that. 113 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.399 And so for a third party, someone who isn't necessarily 114 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.720 super interested, when they go to look or when they 115 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.279 have this conversation, their associations are poisoned by the coops, 116 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.240 poisoned by the learn it takes right. And this is 117 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.360 the meaning of that phrase you've probably heard before, a 118 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.759 limited hangout right, a little bit of something, but it's 119 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:08.959 a cul de sac, never get to you any And 120 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.480 I think that that's something else we see a lot 121 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.759 of lastly, and this is something that I think we 122 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.439 need to be very cautious about. Let's be honest. For 123 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:24.079 many people, politics as entertainment, and I don't begrudge anyone that, like, look, 124 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.079 not all of these shows are particularly serious. I clearly 125 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.800 am not a consistent, serious political podcast, even though that 126 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.800 might now. But at the same time, when you combine 127 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.720 that with the influencer dynamics, it leads to the sort 128 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:42.839 of blood sports version of politics where nothing matters outside 129 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:48.319 of being content to increase my own clout, my own audience, 130 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.920 the bag that I get. And I think that, especially 131 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.959 as we go through a time where it feels like 132 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:56.279 energy is low, it feels like people are burnt out 133 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.600 and burnt out for very good reasons, reasons that I've 134 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:02.399 laid out in many other of these monologues, that behavior 135 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:06.160 is going to keep going. That behavior of fracture, that 136 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:10.399 behavior of saying something deliberately shocking or stupid just to 137 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.480 get that clicks right, is going is going to continue. 138 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.519 And I think that this is something that we have 139 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:21.680 to be very cautious of because entertainment and quality. And 140 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:23.879 I don't mean quality in the sense of like, you know, 141 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.720 the most aeradite, the most you know npr ask, but 142 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:29.240 to say that, you know, there are a lot of 143 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:32.919 things that are very entertaining that really suck attention that 144 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.200 are one not particularly good politics, and two not particularly 145 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.360 good for you. And I'm not saying this to be 146 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.399 your mom right to tell you what to watch and whatnot. 147 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.759 But again, I think there is a deliberate desire to 148 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.480 neuter certain things coming from the radical right, to spend 149 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:53.000 people off into kind of pants on head, retarded conspiracy theories, 150 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:56.840 to spin them off into kind of the entertainment sphere right, 151 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.600 to spend them off away from the uncomfortfortable, very difficult 152 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:06.679 fractures in our current political order, the questions that really 153 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.720 we don't have an answer to, and that any investigation 154 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:14.399 thoroughly delegitimizes a regime that's already flounder. And when I 155 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:19.879 say floundering, I do mean floundering. Both sides of politics 156 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:24.080 are in a very tough spot. And the post war 157 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.879 consensus right, the sort of unwritten rules that dominated American 158 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.919 politics for the last eighty years, I mean, it's crumbling. 159 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.679 It's completely and totally falling apart. You see that in 160 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:39.159 just the cultural disillusion, there is really no Median American 161 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.000 culture anymore. Part of this is demographic, part of it 162 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:44.480 is cultural. Part of it is just due to the 163 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:47.080 fact that there are fewer and fewer actual Americans in 164 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.879 this country than ever ever. But nonetheless, this is a 165 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.480 fundamentally unstable system, it's no shock that people are looking 166 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.480 for answers elsewhere. And well, if you've got the tiger 167 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.720 by the tail, if you're on top of this very 168 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.600 kind of unstable game of janga, well that's no use 169 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.799 to you at all. You're much better served if people 170 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:15.159 are very worried about Emmanuel Macron's wife. Right, whatever combination 171 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:19.159 of genitalias you have, that's more helpful. And we don't 172 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.759 even need to bring the AI into it to notice this. 173 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.799 But once you have that ability to generate basically nonsense content, 174 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:32.039 that ability to artificially boost replies, that ability to artificially 175 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:37.759 create a conversation, you can see that that is the battle. Right. 176 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.960 That is the info war, as Alex Jones would say, 177 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.000 and something to be aware of, because really, what this 178 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.240 episode you're about to hear is all about is one 179 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:51.279 about that dynamic, right, the cognito war, but also this 180 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:56.440 problem that conservative movement America's face deep generational divide, which 181 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:01.360 was sharply shown by what we saw in Massi's primary. 182 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.000 His support He's got strong support minus fifty five and 183 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.759 he loses out plus fifty five. And that's interesting because 184 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.720 sure we understand old voters show up more. This has 185 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.000 been a rule in American politics for a long time, 186 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.120 so it's entirely possible that Massy loses this. There's been 187 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.320 millions coming in from the Israel lobby, miss millions coming 188 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:26.679 in from Miriam Adelson, So it's very possible that he loses. 189 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.720 But much like the genocibein Gaza, much like the war 190 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:35.600 in Iran, a short term victory doesn't solve the very 191 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.600 real long term problems and very real long term problem 192 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.759 for Israel's obvious. You know, they're just in a tough 193 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.320 spot geopolitically, with a lot of enemies around them, making 194 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:50.879 more by the day and declining support in America. But 195 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.919 as regards the conservative movement, they have a platform, what 196 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.000 they actually do that appeals to a relatively narrow slice 197 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:02.600 of the electorate. Sure, they're overrepresented in Republican politics, they're 198 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:06.360 overrepresented in their current voters, but their agent and the 199 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.559 people below them do not share those values. And so 200 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.840 maybe the idea is just like a shoot bomba ran 201 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.639 kill the Ietola of whatever, just throw everything at the wall. 202 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:17.799 It seems as if there's a desire to sort of 203 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:23.600 spin up kind of completely and totally encodate Internet narratives. Oh, 204 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.639 you know, Massy is a sexual predator. Oh, you're a 205 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:32.759 paid agent of Oh this is exactly what the chicoms want. Oh, 206 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.639 this is exactly what the woke left is kind of 207 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.799 flailing and who knows. Over the short term it may work, 208 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.320 although I'm not entirely convinced Massy. That's kind of a 209 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.480 toss up. But when it comes to the actual fight 210 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.320 for well, what does the average conservative, right right of 211 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.000 center guy think? I think they're cooked there. But what 212 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.320 comes next? This ultimately is a delaying action. It doesn't 213 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:59.559 address that core issue, especially if the cost of living 214 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:03.799 crisis balloons, because sure they have some ways to address that. 215 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.759 There's sort of some built in narratives being built, but 216 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.840 already they're showing signs of weakening. These narratives are not 217 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.200 holding up, and this could genuinely be and it seems 218 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.519 to be the beginning of an apocalypse for the American 219 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.000 conservative movement. I've spoken before of the deep divides running 220 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:26.480 through pretty much every conservative quote unquote institution in America. 221 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:28.639 One of the big stories over the past couple of 222 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:32.279 weeks has been the crumbling of the Daily Wire. They 223 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:37.120 lost people that were positive the official party line on 224 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.799 Israel and Iran is let's put it this way, a 225 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:44.679 little off putting to say it mildly, but nonetheless, of course, 226 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.919 there is a narrative. Oh, it's just the fake news media. 227 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.919 Oh it's just this, it's just that. But Ben, if 228 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.879 I can call you Ben, your company's going under. You're 229 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.000 losing money, handover fist. You've been subsidized by the rest 230 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.679 of your business for the best part of ten years. Right, 231 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.559 At a certain point, that ability to spend a narrative, 232 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.519 if it just does not comport with reality, runs out. 233 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.759 And I think that's really what we're getting. I've spoken 234 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.919 before about the paradigm shift right, the previous version of politics, 235 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.519 the postwar consensus, whatever you want to call it, that 236 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.519 kind of version of conservatism that has existed since Goldwater 237 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.240 and really since Reagan. It's past it cell by day, 238 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:29.720 and sure it will linger. It is already lingering. But 239 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:35.000 you look at Massey's race. If it's plus fifty five, well, okay, 240 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.159 there's a lot of people that are plus fifty five. 241 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:40.080 That's at least for the very bottom of that demo. 242 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.600 That's thirty more years of voting, which is a long time. 243 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.679 But that's not entirely how it works, right, because a 244 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:49.600 large portion of that is seventy five plus. Another larger 245 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.559 percentage is sixty five plus, and those people don't have 246 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.759 that much time. So what becomes of this party, right, 247 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.759 what becomes of this political tendency, because seemingly it's headed 248 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:04.320 for the ground, right, it is poised to destroy itself. 249 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.399 And I'm up two minds about that one truly, I 250 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.240 despise the leaders of the Conservative movement. I despise these shills, 251 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.320 despise these sort of Zionist goods, have no sympathy for 252 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:20.440 them whatsoever. The actual people, right, American Conservatives, the Red 253 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.080 Staters are in my mind, they're the best people in 254 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.759 this country. They are this country, really, and I don't 255 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.480 know where they will go. There's no seeming next place 256 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:35.639 for them, right, there's no seeming successor to MAGA and 257 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.879 the Conservative movement, which feels very much as if it's 258 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:39.919 on a precipice. 259 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:40.559 So I don't know. 260 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.799 I don't know what comes next, but I'm quite confident 261 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:47.919 that the conservative movement is cooked. And not to commit 262 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.399 the cardinal sin of the internet and refer back to 263 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.919 the death of Charlie Kirk, but to do it? I 264 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.519 think really if we with Kirk, we saw a path forward, right, 265 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.480 not necessarily my path forward, but that was something that 266 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.320 could have been stable. He was flirting with some of 267 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:09.200 our ideas. He was reaching out to people under fifty 268 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.200 five and okay, maybe the party became more like that 269 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.120 could have worked with that, Well, that's no option. And 270 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.480 as well, it becomes quite clear that even you know, 271 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:25.720 a minorly heterodox conservative is not welcome mass He's out MTG, 272 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:29.000 who again not my favorite politician, not someone I have 273 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.480 a particularly deep affection for, but she's out too, and 274 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.399 the party line right with they're determined to keep is 275 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:40.039 non functional. So what happens? Where do we go? And 276 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.080 that's really a question I'm interested in. For a long time, 277 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:47.720 I've been assuming that the next interesting conversation would be, well, 278 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.120 what happens with MAGA? Who is the successor? And I 279 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.080 still think that's an interesting question. Seems like JD has 280 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:58.200 been well and truly sidetracked. But in my mind anymore, 281 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:02.000 it almost doesn't matter. The point where Trump and by extension, 282 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.119 MEGA has lost the white working class, that voting coalition 283 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.599 doesn't really exist anymore. It's not in the same way. Now, 284 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.920 that doesn't mean, of course, that there is a right 285 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.319 wing voting block in a mirror that there aren't people 286 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:18.319 who don't want the insane excesses of the American left impact, 287 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.319 and who knows that may be enough to let them skate. 288 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.960 The redistricting, if it goes through, may be enough to 289 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:29.319 let them skate, to let Trump avoid the embarrassment, prosecution, 290 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:34.799 and potential impeachment. But again, we're not solving this issue. 291 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.720 These are delaying acts. These are kicking the can down 292 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.000 the road hoping it will go away, and fundamentally it 293 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:46.400 will not. Because the contradictions of the post war consensus, 294 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:51.920 the previous version of politics have become so painfully aware 295 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.359 and things that are no longer unacceptable to speak about 296 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.839 in polite society. You can say things that ten fifteen 297 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.160 years ago would have pushed you out of any normal 298 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.559 conversation to hit the mainstream. Well, how is that brought 299 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:12.519 back in? How do you weld these people back to 300 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.640 a system of values that are completely, in totally one 301 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.039 hundred and eighty degrees opposite of what they believe, what 302 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:21.240 they hold. I don't think you can, and that's why 303 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.960 I think this is ultimately doomed, ultimately cooked, as the 304 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.319 kids would say, So it's an interesting time. It's a 305 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.839 very interesting time sort of watch things move, I think. 306 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:37.200 Is one example, the college student recently killed by a 307 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.240 sekh in England. Right, this kid was not allowed to 308 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.000 carry a knife. If you're a sek, you are for 309 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:47.359 religious purposes. Stabbed, tried to climb over a fence, stabbed 310 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.519 in the heart. And when the police showed up, take 311 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.400 the white kid, the English kid handcuff it because his 312 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.480 attacker said, oh he was racist. Kid drowned in his 313 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.680 black right in front of the police. And you look 314 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.240 at that and you're like, okay, to put it mildly, 315 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:05.039 it's not good to a very bad situation, but it 316 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:09.319 exposes this fault line quite simply. There are another set 317 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.960 of rules. And okay, the Republicans can beat their chest 318 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.359 about rule of law. Fundamentally, we've reached a position where 319 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:19.279 many people, not a majority, but enough people are looking 320 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:23.359 at and say, well, this is anti white discrimination. There 321 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.559 is another set of rules. We are second class citizens 322 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.799 in our own nation. It's one example. Arena Zuritskas is 323 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.680 perhaps an even more dominant one that this rash of 324 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.680 killers and criminals being let off on basically nothing because 325 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.720 they are declared to be mentally unwell, an option that 326 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.759 is not available to you or I and all of this, 327 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.039 and it's reached a point where this idea really has 328 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:53.160 broken containment. Now we're not populous here, right, We're not 329 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:56.799 looking for that fifty one percent to convince everyone so 330 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.759 we can vote in, you know, mister Basement, to turn 331 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.240 the cory around, make everything sensible again, to fix it. 332 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.279 It's not what we're looking for. But at a very 333 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.279 fundamental level, regimes need buy in. They need a way, 334 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.519 They need that soft power that doesn't require them to 335 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:17.480 have a policeman on every corner people to enforce the morality. 336 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:20.759 It's the mandate of heaven, right, that kind of X factor, 337 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.960 that little squishy thing where everyone kind of believes the 338 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.720 police are legitimate. So when you see the cherries and berriers, 339 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.039 you pull over. You don't make a run for it. 340 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:31.839 You know, if if one of your friends, you know, 341 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:33.599 if a policeman comes to the door, you might tell 342 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:35.880 him where he is. Because you have this general assumption. 343 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.799 Then now this must be serious, and must authorities are legitimate, 344 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.279 and not to say we fully reach the stage of illegitimacy. 345 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:46.720 But that moral distance, which creates that feeling of tyranny 346 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.880 for the rule that our values are not aligned is 347 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.119 a deep problem. And it's a particularly deep problem for 348 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.519 the Republican Party, which doesn't have the advantage of being 349 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.960 the true deep establishment, that doesn't have the advantage of 350 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.279 controlling the civil service, of controlling law, of controlling all 351 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.440 of these other things. They don't have the same well 352 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:10.519 of hard power to draw, so they're much more dependent 353 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.160 on that soft power. And so really they're in a 354 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:15.920 bad spot. Not like I feel any sympathy for them, 355 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:19.799 And honestly, I've been feeling sort of conflicted about this 356 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.160 redistricting because on one hand, it's like, I want them 357 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:25.119 to face the consequences right here and now. I don't 358 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:26.759 want them to kick the can down the road. But 359 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.480 also redistricting would benefit me, so'll do what every podcaster does, 360 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:36.160 fail to make a definite prediction and then declare victory afterwards. Yeah, 361 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.720 it's an interesting, interesting time for them. I don't see 362 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:41.799 how they get out of it. So, without further ado, 363 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.960 kick you over. In the episode Stormy doing some clothing, 364 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:50.839 of course, about our gop SAMs an option take from 365 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:54.400 last year, proven to be incredibly correct, and then getting 366 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:58.920 into the sort of influencer control cognito warfare I mentioned 367 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.640 at the beginning. We get into it though. Check out 368 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:05.359 our sponsor, Fox and Soon's Coffee East Code J Bird 369 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.920 get fifteen percent off, drank it this morning, yel Salvadorian 370 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.720 roast the Salvadoran. Is that how you'd say it? 371 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:12.319 Whatever? 372 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.400 The bukeller Land coffee beams pretty good. 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Happy to be here. 384 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.480 It is one hundred percent reime. 385 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:55.799 Man. 386 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.319 It's time for gloating because a while back it was 387 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:06.000 November of last year. You and I had a conversation 388 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.720 let me figure out exactly what episode it was, but 389 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:16.759 recorded a podcast where we talked about the Republican Samson option. 390 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:22.839 I basically lining out how the Israel lobby was going 391 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:30.240 to kill MAGA, the Conservative movement whatever. Rather than relinquished control, 392 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.799 they were going to push the pillars apart, let it 393 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:39.880 collapse around them. And I'll be honest, we were completely 394 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:44.039 in totally correct, right. The one of the big parts 395 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.720 of that was this desire to sort of allow losses 396 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.480 to happen and then blame the so called woke right 397 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:57.200 far right, and uh, well we've seen exactly that, right 398 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:02.680 that the setbacks we've seen themestically have been deliberately foisted 399 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:07.359 on the grouper's, the Nazis, whatever your slur is there. 400 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:12.079 And I think one it's important for us to, you know, 401 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:15.640