Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to That's Not Mattal where we
are here every single Friday with you, letting you know
everything that's been going on, everything that you need to
know in the world of rock and heavy music. And
this is an addition of Hyperblast, our weekly news show
where we concentrate on doing that very thing. My name
is Perrinheyish here to as they give you all the news,
give you the releases, but you want to hear this week.
And across from me joining me is Sam Digno and
Hey Sam, how you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah good, tired after jumping a lot last night and
having a very rowdy time.
Speaker 3: Yeah good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're referring to Turnstiles. I guess this is technically
an arena tour. They played was like Depot Mayfield in Manchester.
Speaker 3: Alexandra Palace, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere else speaking Glasgow. I'm sure Alexandra Palace. I've
heard all week obviously, I've been hearing about how crazy
these Turnstile shows have been, and I feel like we
have we've we've you know, we've pretty well covered what
the Turnstile live show is kind of like these days,
even including their new album. Because of your report, from
Outbreak London, but just in terms of it translating to
you know, an arena setting with azraa parents and like
I said, I've heard you know, NonStop breathing if you will,
from people who have been at these shows, Like how
how did it feel watching hardcore band Turnstile headline and
indoor arena like that?
Speaker 2: There is still again, like I've said, I saw them,
you know, headline a big outdoor festival in the summer,
but there's still a surreal feeling, especially when they're dropping,
pushing me away in phase down stuff like that. I
It's like I saw this in the Fighting Cox ten
years ago. This this is such an odd thing to
be seeing to me, but this feels like the most
kind of like oh yeah, the really popular thing is
the best thing for once, and it's just a great feeling.
So this is the thing that I think the bigger
talking point for this is like, obviously Turnstile are great.
They've been great live for a decade plus, and you
know they are. They seem to just so naturally fit
by it being a huge rock band as well as
being a hardcore band.
Speaker 3: They're so set that.
Speaker 2: But the big talking point that I think everyone's come
across is the crowd, and obviously there's gonna be one
Posttion was like, oh, you know, so not a park
or crowd and moreh blah blah blah blah blah whatever.
Don't care about that, because this is one of those gigs.
I'm like, this feels like it's like again galvanized people.
It's getting the crowd passionately, like aggressively involved, like you
know you go to gigs. Is like there's the pit
and then there's the kind of like people the fun thing,
and then everyone else like stood around enjoying it, maybe
singing along.
Speaker 3: Yeah, turnstile.
Speaker 2: It feels like the energy just takes over the entire
n I ended up right down the front kind of
by accident, just by getting kind of moved about by
the crowd because it was just going mental the entire night.
And again I don't know how far back that did stretch,
but from the very first bit of never Enough, when
everyone's just singing that intro to the moment that Riff
comes in, it was just like a sea of movement.
Speaker 3: The entire time.
Speaker 2: They have a thing where they've got like people running
around the crowd with cameras, so that the screen of
the backdrop for most.
Speaker 4: Of the set, the crowd, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's the most the backdrop saw video screen.
Speaker 2: For most of set, it's just videos off the crowd,
just washing, dancing, crowdsurfing, singing, just people like collapsing to
the floor after getting knocked down in the pit. Like
it just you get like aerial shots of the crowd
where you're just gonna seeing this, like again, this wave
of movement. And it was just kind of I was like,
this is what I feel like a lot of rock
shops we have been missing. Is that vital energy that
that kind of just feels that people are like completely engaged,
Like their phones are filming fine, but even then it's
they're jumping at the same time doing it. No one
is just kind of like just watching the entire set
through their phone. It is like and again, it's a
diverse crowd, Like there are hard good kids still there,
but there are people who probably have never heard of
Hate Breed.
Speaker 3: Or even other like.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, if the normies want to pick Turnstile
as their rock band of choice, that they are gonna
like come to and completely immerse themselves in the culture
and they're gonna mosh and they're gonna dance. I fully
support it, Like this is one of those kind of
moments of like, yeah, sometimes again being the best does
actually pay off and you do get to reap the rewards.
And this doesn't feel like this is the ceiling. Is
the other sort of crazy thing, like it feels like
they can go further. They start at Alexandra Palace in
a day. The challenge is gonna be obviously do they
when they go to bigger? Are people gonna want to
sit for Turnstile Because that kind of movement and that
energy is such a vital part of it. It feels
like everyone just wants to be involved in the Turnstile show,
like even again when.
Speaker 3: They it just it feels cool that this is one
of our bands.
Speaker 2: This is one of like the cool, credible mans that
have done it off their own back of like they've
obviously had you know, some of this, they've never felt
like the ordained, like the on the cover of every
magazine every month and they're getting that big push.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of they've done it through being brilliant
and working hard. So awesome to be a part of.
Speaker 2: And again two shows I have seen in this summer in
big settings and it feels like the natural place to
see Turnstile. Now this isn't one of those I'm kind
of like, ah, but I miss them that I could
see them in you know, sort of venues that Outbreaks
set from a couple of years ago still the kind
of like the biblical standard of because it was this
sort of show without a barrier. But they are so
just like exciting to watch. They're just explosive. They look
like the coolest band everyone stage, and it just it's
made rock music feel cool and vital in a way
that I think few bands have.
Speaker 3: Even again, bands will like where they've got.
Speaker 2: To this level, they've never felt as call and vitals
Turnstile do right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because one of the things is it's galvanizing, Like
you're saying people from not only who have been in
the culture for years and years, but you know newer
entries and you know younger people, and it's translating in
a way that what has been said a lot about
you know, rock and heavy bands in the last at
least ten to fifteen is is kind of you know,
a stumbling block in doing that. And we've had our
complaints about some of the bands who have done that.
But to see, as you're saying, what are the bands
really breaking through into that kind of you know, jumping
over that almost impossible barrier that's been for years and
years now is like a really I mean I haven't
even I haven't been to a Turnstile show in years
at this point, Like I haven't seen them since fucking
like time and space era. But just from afar, watching
it kind of unfold and it just you know, pull
more and more people in is undoubtedly one of the exciting,
you know stories, maybe even trend changing if you like
things that is happening in around So yeah, like a
sterling job from everybody involved apparently in terms of, yeah,
turning up and making that kind of thing happen like that.
So that's awesome to hear we have here got on
the news. First of all, I should clarify, unfortunately that
the last week's story about the Sammy hagar impersonator has
unfortunately been proven to be a hoax, is not a
true story. I think you could probably look at some
of the details in that story and be like, yeah,
maybe this is all too good to be true and
too embellished. I'm still happy that we just had it
on our radar because it pure and simple. It was
a funny thing to talk about. It was a fun
thing for us to discuss and riff off of, but
unfortunately not real. But I'm still glad that in some
abstract form happened as well. What we are really here
to start off with on the news is we also
had some of this last week with like some about
Tangent and Radar Festival coming through with their lineups. But
for whatever reason, we're around this period like it's always
Aroun dam Nation Festival where for whatever reason, I don't
know what is the embargo lifts on every festival in
the UK and announcing all of their lineups at once.
I'm genuinely curious in terms of like is there some
sort of weird like war jumping out? I mean something
like two that and trees in our tangents the same
fucking people, right, So I don't know why, but like,
what is the logic behind every festival, like you know,
who are competing in some sense of form all drop
in their things at the same time. But we have
got a bunch of like the really size of all
the festivals that you're going to be want to be,
you know, interested in and checking out what they're doing
next year, who have all dropped significant portions of their
lineup this week, and so I think probably the easiest
way to do it is actually just go through it
in the order that they were announced, because you can
maybe track the kind of the line graph, if you will,
of the general excitement. So the first one, I think
I'm right in saying, the first one that came out
of these that we are going to talk about came
from slam Dunk, right who. Slam Dunk had already announced,
you know, a good port of the sizable bands that
were on their lineup. Earlier in the year they'd announce
some headliners and whatnot, but particularly this week they added
a lot to the heavy stages of slam Dunk and
the first slam Dunk announcement, right I you know, yes,
there were a couple of decent bands on it. There
always are. You can guarantee there was somewhere on a
standout line up there'll be something of worth. But there
was so much slam Dunk filler right of the varia
that we you know, kind of get on o high
horses about sometimes that I I felt nothing towards it.
I mean, I haven't you know, I'm not the audience
for a slam that necessarily, but I looked at that
lineup and I didn't feel any way about it in
regards to the previous Lamdark that it just felt like the
same stationary, you know, pitch that slam Dug has been
in for this entire decade pretty much. But when they've
added stuff to the heavy stages actually pretty good.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, in overall, this is probably the strongest slam
Dunk lineup since the kind of like initial one back
after COVID. But that heavy stage where they've done, where
they've gone back to the thing of two heavy stages,
I'm guessing it's going to be like I was that
in the tent where there's one ever end and it's
just all the heavy bands playing back to back to back,
no breaks. But they they've they've stacked it up. I mean,
like your big sort of two bands on the heavy
front are that I have been added on this one.
Not loose malevolence, obvious sort of home run hits for
heavy bands that can play slam Dunk. That's kind of
like the biggest and best too. You could probably book
at this point not loose, you know. We I've seen
that show like last year in Brigs and it was
like they felt start home them headlining that stage will
be like crazy malevolence are you know on the ascent
and then you know you've got Dying Wish Pest Control,
which is like cool to see stuff like that, and
there Harriet of and it just it just adds a
bit of heft to it.
Speaker 3: And again when you already.
Speaker 2: Had cancer bats on there, I think like Comeback, Kid,
Guilt Trip, It's good.
Speaker 3: Stuff is very still slam Dunk coded.
Speaker 2: I think there's nothing you know of the heavy bands
You're goind of go like, hey they're at slam Dunk.
But it just feels like for those sort of heavy
guards that we're going to go to Sound Dunk, you'd
have a great time watching those bands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the one of the complaints
that I've had about the recent two or three years
of slam Dunk is the heavy stage which in the
years I went to slam Dunk, Yeah, I could watch
a fun pop punk mainstage headliner or something, but a
lot of my day would have been made up by
the heavier stage, and it's been really weak in the
last few years because a lot of it has been
focused on You look at the kind of the metal
chorus stage and it's like, oh great, I Prevail are there,
and then all of the eye Prevail alikes and it's just,
you know that it just felt it was stuck in
that particular corner. But the kind of heavy bands that
would you know, draw you know, people with slightly more
involved taste in heavy music, shall we say to a
slam Dunk they're back here right as you said, you know,
not Loose, Comeback, Kid, Guilt, Trip, Dying, Wish, Pest Control,
Angel Dust are on there. Like if you add this
heavy stage onto the you know again the first slam
Dunk announcement, I still I don't really feel any which
way towards it, but having at least a good heavy
stage does speak, you know, it does a lot of
the heavy lifting when it comes to Slam Dunk. And
this year I can certainly say it's the first something
in a couple of years where I've gone, oh, there's
some you know that that's a good stage, Like that's
a stage that is worth you know, admission for. So yeah,
slam Dunk line up there then speaking of heavy bands though,
and you know, if you are wanting to if those
are the kind of bands that grab your ear, maybe
you're looking at Slam Dunk. Then a couple days later
or whatever it was, Outbreak came through with their twenty
twenty six announcement, and boy, oh boy, where do we
start here? Two big names at the top of the
poster are Basement, which is not unusual.
Speaker 3: Because every other year that they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but fine, it works. It's good, bit more unusual
and not a booking I expected, but wow, Alexxus on
Fire a headlining Outbreak, and not only that, it's going
to be a set performing Crisis in full for its
twentieth anniversary. Elsewhere, slightly lower down on the post, we
have suicidal Tendencies Converge are like three lines down on
this thing trapped under ice and a hate Breed performing
a set of songs primarily drawn from satisfaction with the
death of desire and perseverance, so the peak out Break
stuff that Hatebreed could be playing. And then even then
lower down into the smallest names that are on here,
We've got Pup, We've got high Vis, We've got two
Chea Moro performing stage full, We've got louder stage, the
Armed trash Talker Back, Fiddlehead Scowl, Harm's Way, Higher Power,
Haywire are on there, and I know they've been kind
of blown up in the last year or so. Body
Web sanction loads of stuff on this Outbreak bill, and
like in terms of the oh my god, this particular booking,
there's at least like three or four on there of
like that is going to be an event at Outbreak,
And then you add on the general strength and depth
of your reliably strong bands at the moment, like a
fiddle Headed Scowl obviously converge whatever it might be. This is,
I mean, Outbreak is it's one of those festivals I
think at the moment we just say it is always
kind of good. But this is a for a fucking
opening gambit as well. First announcement. This is fucking cool.
Speaker 2: Alex on Fire obviously Albert is traditionally like a hardcore festival.
Alex Fi obviously more a post hardcore band, but they
are of the kind of noise post harc bands.
Speaker 3: They are one of the most revered and.
Speaker 2: Respected that if you're going to book one of them
to head like obviously Albert's had Thursday played before, and
they're in that kind of category.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know if Alexis on Fire would do
outbreaking because again I wasn't sure where to judge it
because Thursday are a little bit more underground. Maybe Alexe
on Fire are like a you know, a big bricks
and Academy selling, somewhat mainstream kind of band. So I
didn't know how much outbreak crossover they had, and I hope,
imagine probably that they will have enough of a strengthen
fan base to make it work, but I didn't expect
it as a booking, and then the idea of not
only them playing it, not only doing a obviously a
particular theme set, but also just the general prospect of
like no barrier outbreak alex on Fire set that sounds unreal.
Speaker 3: Like alex one of my favorite live bands to watch.
Speaker 2: Me getting to see them without a barrier, I'm gonna
like die several times over during the set. And the
thing is the outbreak faithful, I've kind of gone like, yeah,
fucking Alextion Fire because of all of them for their friend
of a hardcore they jammed christisfore they knew what like
could I've never heard of Youth of Today or any
of those can like proper hardcore bad like Leady Harkamans
and I'm just picturing on the stage Invasion when they
played this could be anywhere in the world. Is You're
not gonna be able to see the band for the
amount of people trying to get that mic.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be insane suicidal tendencies.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to keep overlooking because the lineup
is just that good like that, that's a really cool
booking for Outbreak.
Speaker 3: You're kind of like legendary harkband have never done it before.
Speaker 2: Hate Breed is like my dream Outbreak said that I've
been saying every single year for the past how many
years of going to Outbreak, I'm saying, book Hate Reed,
Please book Hate Reed, Book Hate Breed. And they've booked
Hate Reed and then just doing the satisfaction and person
for it's set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hate Hate Breed always good live. Obviously not a
rarity in the UK, so it's not an event in
that sense. But this is like the specific Outbreak Hate
Breed set that people have been wanting, and yeah that
the set and the environment for the set is one
of those as said sort of biblical. People have been
waiting for it moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's just the thing is like
Outbreak has a cheat code in a lot of ways,
and that the no barrier thing it does just make
certain sets more exciting. So so sentences play you know,
like they could play download and it would be cool,
But so stances about barrier, that's an exciting prospect. You know,
everyone going ravagering that chorus and introduced lies that's gonna
go off converts. We saw them had like like Cohend
out record years ago. That's gonna be amazing as always.
And then you have like again the Outbreak Faithful as
well as some like quite cool up and coming kind
of underground bands on the kind of like emo shoe
Gaze all rock hardcore side. As much as I end it,
that album came out a couple months ago, people have
been bringing about.
Speaker 1: That Pups first time that Outbreak, So that would be cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be cool, like like a really cool kind
of new emo scream o band that have been kind
of catching a bit of attention. For me, this is
exactly what I want from an outbreak Mawnlub, I am
very excited about this and I think it's again as
an opening gambit serious business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's because it kind of leaked
out last week as well, but you haven't even actually
mentioned to share more a doing stage four, which I
know for you and many other people out there will
be yeah, an incredibly intense moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean for someone like me who I go to
Outbreak kind of like maybe every few years when there's
a particular lineup that appeals to me, rather than going
every single year. This is the most tempting lineup for
me since probably the last year I went, which was
twenty twenty three. And I would just have to state
for the record, twenty sixth through the twenty eighth of
June in Manchester. Twenty fifth the Thursday is Acid Bath,
which we were talking about last week, so it's possible
to have that as a four day weekend, which sounds
fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: They are adding a Friday date to it as well.
Speaker 2: That is going to be a separate kind of ticketed
event because it's not this poster, but they are adding
I mean everything on the post so far is for
the Saturday Sunday, and they have said they're adding a
Friday event. The lineup which will be kind of ticketed separately,
but that's web noting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still don't entirely understand how that whole system,
like why they've leaned into this kind of separate day
ticket kind of scenario, but as said, yeah, it's a
possible four day weekend there, and particularly if this is
just Saturday and Sunday, then it looks fucking brilliant. So
Outbreak absolutely nailing it on this. Then we turned to oh, yeah,
the biggest one of the bunch, of course, Download Firstival,
who Download have taken to this sort of you know,
press conference style unveilment of their lineup every year that
we get around this time of year, and so we
got beams to us from from London wherever it happened.
Download Festivals twenty twenty six first gambit features ninety plus bands,
including all three of the main stage headliners four next year.
It's worth saying, as it says as the poster that
every one of these headliners I guess I would expect
from Download, but says it all headliners are UK exclusive.
So the only twenty twenty six states that they will
be playing and it is Limp, Biscuit, Guns and Roses
and Lincoln Park. I'm going to read out the rest
of the names who have their logo on the poster,
which is bad Omens, Cypress Hill, Trivium, Architects, Electric Core Boy, Hailstorm,
Eisneine Kills, Baby Metal, Pendulum, the Pretty Reckless, Black Veil Brides,
Behemoth Mastered on the All American Rejects, Feeder, Cavaliera doing Kosad,
Static X, and Bloody Cantation and yes, Bloody Cantation are
a logo band on this poster above lots of other
names below them, which did result an incredible thing where
like all my death metal friends were looking at the
poster and having to learn whose scene queen is and
all the other the concept of these people having to
ever look at this stuff because Bloody Cantation and Bloody
Cantation do have their nice, readable prog rock logo rather
than the old pilot Twiggs thing. But obviously there is
plenty of other names below that as well. Some that
jump out include let Live returning to the UK next
year for for for Download, Headliners First, and I guess
sort of general impressions of the higher ends of the bill,
olymp Biscuit, Guns and Roses, and Lincoln Park that as
a trio, all three of those are obviously there's no
there's no risk there. I don't think even with lymp
Biscuit being a first time headliner and it's a kind
of a big deal, I suppose that it's another one
of these bands like we've seen like Corn, who are
taking their step up to it. I'm not surprised by it.
I was predicting this kind of thing. I still think
it could be possible for the likes of Death Tones
and Nine Inch Nails to follow in their way can
have the similar treatment. But you know, olymp Biscuit are
having their moment, but them Lincoln Park.
Speaker 4: And Guns and Roses.
Speaker 1: It does feel like it's particularly obously with two of
these bands being of the same kind of era, it
feels like it is a more banked on millennial nostalgia
download than it is some of the recent years when
we've had maybe more twenty first century even pop punk
bands like Fall That Boy or whatever playing. And obviously
last year we had a completely new headliner of a
current generation band in sleep Token. We haven't got that
kind of booking out of these three with as said
a more are you a sick new world ish if
you like approach to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again the new melt nostalgia we've kind
of of that is like it is the thing of
the moment. I look at these headliners and I go like,
they're all bank of all reliable things.
Speaker 3: I kind of just have to go over that. I'm
not the target download audience anymore, like I, as.
Speaker 2: We've said, we're more suited to these more needs, more boutique,
smaller festivals. I think if you're a person who like
enjoys the the top line sort of stuff, there is
plenty to enjoy here.
Speaker 3: I think the Biscuit will be like a rabid success.
Speaker 2: I think obviously they were they subheadlined last time, and
everyone was like they should just headline. They're like going
by the crowd size all that.
Speaker 1: My thing.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that sort of sticks out is
it's Gone and Roses are the one that feel like
the kind of like a book in which it feels
so funny to say that when you can see the
how when they lasted it, it was kind of like
that was the event of that download, was the twenty
eighteen Guns and Roses set, and it's they seem to
be the book and that people are kind of like
most questions now, mainly again because this summer of shows
seemed to dampen a lot of people's spirits on Guns
and Roses as a live prospect, And it just feels
like if you'd swap out like the most like nostalgia
headliner for something new, it would just look a bit
more interesting as a sort of festival booking linka Parker
on Great Life Form Limbiscuit first time, and then if
you had a ghost or a Parkway Drive in the
middle there, it would just feel there'd be a bit
more sparked to it, and there would be again that
event feeling. This just feels that again, dependable big names
that will drawer crowd.
Speaker 3: Let's get them in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Guns and Roses, it'll be was
it twenty eighteen, so eight years between their headlines, But
it feels like it's a say, mentally the exact same,
but there's been no progression. They released like, you know,
the tiniest handful of immediately memory hold.
Speaker 4: Songs and.
Speaker 3: A lot over the years, haven't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And on that kind of front, every single you know,
every individual headliner there I think obviously does work as
a download thing, and there's nothing there where you go
a or even I don't think that will work. Maybe
Guns and Roses will be a bit same old, same old,
and maybe they won't be on their best life form.
But functionally people are going to turn up to watch
Guns and Roses because that's what happens when Guns and
Roses play. But as a three, I think you could
take one of those and if you swapped it out
for something that is more Again, sleep Token, head Binding
and Download last year, everyone knows that we're not fans,
and maybe I think there were reports last or this
year of a very obvious schism taking place between the
people who are totally there for sleep Token and then
having a very rabid, intense response up the front for
the people who were really getting there for them. But
maybe not as many people were sticking around to see
Slate Token if they are not, you know, dedicated fans,
And I don't know how much of a kind of
impact on the thinking of booking and whatnot that will
have had on the download team, but they haven't swung
for something similar here. And I agree if you were
to take one of these bands, any one of them really,
But let's say Limp Biscuit. Well, let's say Guns and
Roses because Linky Park, I guess, are the kind of
most obvious on the form they're currently on, and you know,
there's there's something behind them right there is a you know,
they feel whether you think that this record is great
or not whatever, like Linky Park are somewhat relevant to
the rock conversation right now. You can have them there
if you'd take one of these other two and swap
them for something new. My big question is where is
Ghost because I thought, surely, now after you know, we've
had the Skeleton Arenator this year, people have kind of,
you know, wondered maybe they'll be doing something of their
own next year, which I would certainly be interested to
see if something pops up, if they've chosen to do
something else rather than like a download. But I thought,
surely this is Ghost's time and again to compared to
Guns and Roses, Guns and Rows in the last eight
years since they headlined, they've put out Absurd and whatever
the fucking other couple songs were that no one remembers
or listens to. In the time since Guns and Roses
were last booked to headline download, we have had Prequel
from Ghost, we have had Impera from Ghost, and we've
had Skeleton. They have been in the global box office
with their concert film before they had been booked at
the top of a download poster, and if anyone was
going to follow after they you kind of seemingly, you know,
open the flug. It's a little bit for newer bands
with Fleet Token surely go. I know you mentioned Parkway
Drive as well, and then the other bands who are
kind of in the wings where we're waiting to see
if they could do that. But Ghost feel like if
there's one band right now who I feel are ready
to do it, it surely would be Ghosts. And again,
if you took any one of these bands here and
you swap them out for a Ghost, the whole thing
looks stronger, because the whole thing looks more contemporary, right,
And there's something to that there whereas opposed to these three,
even with limp Biscuit being their first time doing it.
But it's going to be olymp Biscuit show that the
world has pretty much already seen, right, it doesn't. It
just doesn't sing in the way that even just replacing
one of those with something newer like a ghost a
parkway drive for example, would do. And then you look
at the let's say the next rundown of the logo
bands on it, and like, yeah, Bloody Cantation are a
logo band now, which is fucking amazing, and like, yeah,
obviously everyone likes Trivian, baby Metal and Iceline Kills or
whatever are popular draws. Bad omens are there, maybe they'll
be waiting in the wings to get there, you know,
lift up to headline or whatever. Architects are there, But
it doesn't It just doesn't look like a very exciting time,
does it, Like when when the Pretty Reckless and blackfeld
Brides are right there next to each other on it
And I just want to pick up on what something
you said?
Speaker 4: Is I going to go about me and you?
Speaker 1: And I think, obviously this is this is me and
you speaking to certainly people in like our T and
M discord server for example, or people in our Facebook group.
I think there's a lot of people who we're not
on the majority group, because the majority group are the
people that go to download right, but there is a
notable group of maybe the demographic that we fall into
and a lot of our listeners of people who have
been drawn more to I think over the last lot
of ten years or so, you know, in the time
that TNM has been been happening, these niche, more dedicated
festivals have cornered their areas of the market a lot more,
where a lot of us are going to be a
lot more inclined, particularly with downloads, rising ticket prices and whatnot,
which is a whole thing unto itself. You might be
more inclined to do an outbreak if you want to
see your exciting hardcore bands. You might be more inclined
to do two thousand Trees, which we're going to talk
about in a minute in their announcement. If you just
want kind of a nice, big outdoor rocks festival, but
it isn't as much fucking hassle as download is. Someone
like me might be more inclined to go to you know,
you've got your bloodstocks, you've got even your niche kind
of extreme metal events like Incineration or Fortress or whatever
it might be. Where I look at Behemoth, a one
of these logo bands here, and Behemoth feel like a
download staple, right Like Behemoth will play download every few years,
and it's not unusual for Black metal band Behemoth to
be playing Download, but I look at what's around them
and I genuinely go like, Behemoth looks swamped on this light,
Like what is there to support someone who's they're really
excited see Behemoth, Like, yeah, maybe they'll go see the Cavaliers.
They might see Trivium or Matteredon or something. But like
Blood Incantation are going to be playing to it, even
as hyped and as you know, riding a wave as
Blankendation are, they're going to be playing to a complete
crowd of kind of curios rather than the people who
have turned out to see them on this latest UK tour,
Behemoth look fucking swamped on it. And I think it's
just a definite phenomenon that downloads stagnation. I think in
the last few years, certainly since COVID, I think more
and more people who are maybe of our mindset are
turning more to the more boutique type events to get
their fill of what download hasn't really kept up with.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is because the download of me it
comes apart when you get to this logo thing, because again,
lot of the best stuff on there, it's stuff that's
happened this year this festival season just gone and now
download's kind of like picking up Blood Incantation, did that
mind bending Incineration fest set, you know, did their big
comeback at Trees Trivium headline, Bloodstock.
Speaker 1: Even Coroagi Caforniti, who are on this headlighted Damnation this weekend.
Speaker 2: It feels a lot of the really like the best,
really exciting stuff. It feels like it's download just kind
of picking up from other festivals. I mean, on the
logo thing, the only name that that actually I'm like,
that's really cool is Cypress Hill. That's the one I
kind of like that feels like that's that's a different
bit of a left fild booking. I would imagine you
would stick them on before lymp Biscuit and that would
just be sort of party night Friday. There are seven
bands on this logo section. What I would rather go
watch Electric coll Boy. That is as damning as I
can kind of be about this download lineup, Like it
isn't terrible, but who is you know, happy seeing their
own logo The Pretty Reckless and Blackvelt Brides in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 3: It it just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: And then you get into the smaller bands, and there's
cool stuff, you know, drain cool like that, that's cool.
Speaker 3: The spits however, like we've been really having a demons
and like that.
Speaker 2: There is good stuff on there, but just as a vibe,
all the most exciting stuff has already kind of been
around this festival season and there's nothing that feels like
a kind of unmissible events. Again, I was just raving
about Alex and Fire at Outbreak and yes they just
did trees just gone, but Outbreak gone. We can make
this election fire set feel more exciting through the way
we're presenting it. Download isn't finding a way to make
any of these sets more exciting. It's kind of just like,
let's just get all the big names in one place
and let's you know, if people just want to, you know,
just see the big names and they aren't too fussed
about the actual kind of excitement of the whole prospect.
Download is offering that it's the WWE of music festivals.
It's the biggest names, the biggest fancy shows. If people
will happy with that, they will have a great time.
And I think that's fine. It serves that market. But
if anyone looking to like engage on a deeper level.
I just don't think there's much here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't disagree. And then we move on to
two thousand Trees, who, if you're sort of feeling similar
way he's about download, maybe two thousand Trees are one
of us. We've just highlighted there as being a potential
sort of you know, a festival that might be picking
up the kind of people who once did a download
and a sort of you know, being left in the
cold by it. And two Trees have come through with
a whole load of their bands for next year as well.
There's one headliner on this, but there is a lot
of the bill of the other days as well, who
haven't yet got their headliners announced. That one headliner that
is announced for the Thursday is Alkaline Treer, which great stuff.
I'm not familiar the top of my head if they've
headlined twosand Trees before. But that's the kind of you know,
mid tier rock band, shall we say, in terms of
their success and their size. Who aren't going to headline
another first of all, But when you get to see
them doing you know, much like an excellent Fire or
someone recently, when you get to see them doing a
headline set at something like this, there is there's a
really lovely vibe to that kind of occasion and around
it on the rest of the bill, Sam, what are
the names that jump out to you in terms of
strength on the two thousand Trees poster?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think the Thursday lineup in general
looks really strong when you can get to go Yeah,
Alkalan Trio, Pup, Souper, Heaven, Scaled, the Dirty Nil Paul Kids.
Speaker 3: That's a good kind of like clans Ef.
Speaker 2: The Wednesday pre show again, you've got Puffing the Ditty
Hill doing other sets.
Speaker 3: That's really cool.
Speaker 2: Canterbats always would see I think the Saturday again, the
top line on the Saturday beneath the sort of headline
CBA glasshob Yeah, two thousand trees for the first time,
Wicked booking Glass you have always been brilliant live and
I think it's really cooled Sea Trees trying to pull
them in. And then alongside Dinosaur Pilot, who I would
imagine we'll kind of get a hero's welcome at two
thousand three is they They strike me as one of
those sort of bands who are gonna be really gritted well.
And then Hives, who again I saw support in terms
out they're on great life.
Speaker 4: Form Trees would be fucking great.
Speaker 2: I think that would be great. You've got like nothing
on there. I am the avalanche back. That's really cool
to see. There's some good sort of pop punk stuff there.
Kansabats on his book is highlighted meeting on the few
people slag on battles twice, so.
Speaker 3: I will admit I would. I hated it.
Speaker 2: I saw everyone else having a great time. I get
them being booked again. That that that makes sense. I
do think the Friday right now is kind of like
I don't know a lot of bands on the Friday,
which is why I don't want to slag it off
too much.
Speaker 3: It does feel a bit weaker.
Speaker 2: Kansabat's cool Saturday's at your Place are kind of one
of the like the emo bands them and free From
are kind of quite well regarded. Lambrini Girls gonna feel
like a really kind of like very two thousand trees
coded bands who will go down brilliantly. I mean like
that day will kind of hinge on how the headliner
pauls all together alongside when they announced. I'm guessing some
more of the heavier bands because that's what's kind of
missing on the fridam I think right now. True, this
is a very kind of just like well rounded, delivering
what two thousand trees needs to deliver on lineup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And as said, of the three larger days,
two headliners TBA and so there will be much much
curiosity and much trained eyes seeing what follows through there.
And just to complete our load of festival announcements for
twenty twenty six here in the UK, Desert Fest have
completed their headliners as well, and they've had a lot
more stuff on their green lung were you know, already
been announced for headlining a UK festival for the first time,
which is fucking cool to see. Harmano are on there
as well, who I'm not from actually familiar with. Desert
Fest will always have some really high build bands where
I go, what is that? But they'll you know, they'll
have some big cult following somewhere. Clutch are the latest
added headliner, which is just a total slammed of exactly
what Deserfest should be, isn't it. Clutch plenty of desert
Fest business on this lineup. Hallas have been Adam Laura
on there as well, who are kind of the prog
rock band. Their keyboardist is the guy I think. I'm
not saying he's the guy who's been playing with Blood
Incantation doing all the keyboards on the absolutely elsewhere stuff,
But I know Hallas are like a really, really quite
revered at the moment kind of upcoming progressive rock band.
I think this might be one of their first times
in the UK, So quite a big snag from Deserfest
there in that regard. But yeah, loads of stuff at
Desert Fest completing our bloody hell, I said, our yearly,
we get here about this time every year and we
just talk about every single festival and how they are
shaping up. But with all due respect to every one
of those festivals we have just spoken about, I'm sure
that a lot of you guys listening would agree that
none of those are the big story of the week.
The biggest story of the week is finally the musical
return of Marmazettes, where we have had so much teasing
and waiting and Marmozettes are in the studio, Marsette have
got a record deal, Marmozettes are posting promo photos, all
of this stuff to finally get us to New Marmasette's
music after twenty eighteens. It was like February as well,
something early on in twenty eighteens. Knowing what you know now,
we actually have Marmazet's music to be talking about. We
don't have an album and outs right now, but if
you are to read, for example, the Koran cover story
they have out, it's clear that this is on an
album and an album will be coming in the new year.
We do have the first Marmozette single in all of
that time, and it's called a Kiss from a Mother.
We also have the first Marmozette's UK tour since twenty eighteen.
It starts really soon. It starts on the first of
December of this year, but it goes through over into
January of next year, and it's doing quite a lot
of dates. There's like more than ten dates on this
poster here. The thing that jumps out of me from
the dates here is it's clear that Marmozette's, after so
much time away, they are playing at tentative when it
comes to the venues and what they are booking. These
are for a band we you know, eight years ago
we were talking about as like one of the most
central to the UK rock scene bands that we have,
it's clear that they are maybe trying to take it
a little bit easy, try and build something back up
a little bit, rather than taking a plunge into taking
a punt on big venues when maybe in the last
eight years, I mean, how many people have got into
rock music in the last eight years? No, what give
a fuck about Marmozet's right, Like, I don't know, but
doing some pretty small venues for a band like Marmosettes
on this too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because when they left off, they were
doing like the Forum or what was where they kind
of left off at so sizeable rooms And I think
this makes sense.
Speaker 3: And you've been quite for so long the music scene
has changed.
Speaker 2: So much, so kind of start back up and the
like if the demands that these shows sell out, then
they kind of go, Okay, cool, we'll be back again
and they can rebuild up.
Speaker 3: But I think smart moves kind of like go like
kind of build from the ground up again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean ding Walls in London. I've never been
to ding Wars. That's sort of sizable as that.
Speaker 2: So I saw a couple of bands at Common Fred's
there and it's about six hundred capacity. It's not like tiny,
probably a bit bigger than the Underworld, a bit smaller
than like between Underworld, like electric ballroom size, like six
seven hundred people something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but a Kiss from a Mother the first Mamzet
single from this, you know, returning era, this upcoming record
and all of this from Marmozettes. I didn't really know
what to expect, you know, after all of that time.
You know, obviously a lot of the story around marmas
that's going away is that you know, two of the
members have had a child, and they are I'm sure
in many ways they are such completely different people and
at different stages in their life than they were when
they were last giving us music. So I didn't know
what to expect. Right when you press play on this
and the first thing you hear is this like western
fucking guitar twang where it's full you know, Sergio Leoni
stuff going on. And that was like, Hey, what's going
on here? And I know that, you know, the kind
of musical connection with the Artic Monkeys has always been
quite prevalent with with Marmozets and this for those first
few opening seconds, I was like, oh, man, are we
going to get our like tranquility, hotel based casino era
of marmasts But when it kicks in, it turns out
Marmozettes are still fucking mad and electric as fuck. And
after all of that time, I could not be more
related to be saying in those particular words.
Speaker 2: I genuinely was like, is that that spark that mad
kind of like quirk that makes marmas they're like Becka,
you know, she is such a one of a kind vocalist,
where like the way she sings her sort of like
delivery of lines, even even once she's singing not just screaming,
like she no one doing.
Speaker 3: It quite like her, And she is leaning into that.
She is being eccentric as.
Speaker 2: Fucking s of the front of this song and it
goes It's like it's one of the harder Marmozet's song,
like maybe harder than anything off of the last album,
which again did kind of play out kind of more.
Speaker 3: Like indie and dancing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like hard driven up and it's funny
because to point out it's by the person who produced
the last Biby Piro album, which was like maybe a
bit of like a.
Speaker 3: He's got the right right mixed for.
Speaker 2: Marmazets here where they sound hungry and fired up and
it is. It's electrifying. I think, a really great first
kind of statement of kind of going like yeah, if
you were worried, no, no, no, we're still the band
that you you remember us being, and I'm I'm now
kind of like now that we've got off, I says,
fit yep, strap me in for the Marmesets reunion.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel very similar where the promise of Marmetts was like, okay, cool,
of course I'm interested, but what will it be. As
soon as I heard this, I was just now, okay, oh,
I'm actually now excited because I forgot how awesome it
is again after like eight years, just to have that
woman going aha at you over something absolutely live wire.
There's there's bits on it where she's just kind of
view and just absolutely I mean losing whatever. There's parts
where she's full on monster mashing, you know, the kind
of like her really really a huge compliment I could
say about this. Mamas At song is like many of
the best mamas At song is something that you could
play to someone and they go fucking hell, this is
too much turn it off, and I can imagine particularly
there's vocal ones from Becker being so like too excessive
for people who do not want their rock band to
be quite this phonetic, and just the sheer intensity and
unchained nature of that, which Becker has always done an
incredible job of, you know, like managing to wrangle into
like a rock song you want to listen to, is
just so alive on this in just such a brilliant way, superficial.
But you know, they've always been a cool band, a
cool looking band. And when I watched this video and
I'm just like, ah, you're there, even though again you are,
I'm sure you are more mature and you're different whatever
than you were when you wa you were last here,
But it looks like the same rad car rithmatic group
of people. Yeah, obviously particularly Becca at the four. When
you're watching that, it's like the same cool band Mamazettes
that you knew and loved are here. And then when
the music gets going as well, it's like hard disco,
like when it full on just starts going with this
kind of it's got an interesting reverbly production job where
even Becker doesn't sound so like at the four in
the way you know, a conventional rock mix would she's
like really wailing around in the sidelines and whatnot. But
like that hard punk disco beat that they kick into.
I don't remember the last time that we had like
a rock single rather than like a metal or a
hardko single, just a rock single that kind of just
immediately excited me and lit me up the way that
this one did, just on like one or two listens,
and I just think, what do you want from Marmozettes?
You want them to have that crackle in them, And
after so much time being sidelined, I'm so happy that
they clearly still do, at least in this song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, better that that crackle that does that X factor,
that thing that just made them such an exciting prospect
back when they were breaking. It's still there, maybe slightly
different now, but it's not been sound in the way
they have not sanitized things, and that is just like
a really exciting thing to sort of like put away
any nerves for what this union could have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give us news on that album next year, but
it's of course now one of the albums that we
will be most looking forward to in twenty twenty six.
Some more Niche off the Beaten Track festival news currently
it's not in the UK, but things that I have
seen being announced this week and go what. First of all,
there's a couple festivals in Europe where you know, Behemoth
have being added to download festival. But there's two festivals
currently in Europe. There's a sort of a weird pre
show thing at Vacan Festival and also now Beyond the Gates,
which is the great black metal festival that happens in
Norway where really weird Billingnrgyl from Behemoth has been announced
at these events to be playing the debut Behemoth albums
Fentevistor near the Baltic with not with Behemoth but with
mis theming the incredible like one of my very favorite
black metal bands in the world today, the Icelandic band.
I would also just point out the record one of
the most fiery live bands currently in black metal performing
with him as them as his backing band to do
the debut Behemoth album, which if you've ever heard debut
Behemoth in the early nineties Behemoth, it's obviously it's it's
a world away from what Behemoth has been in you know,
our time of doing this, but this immediately got a
what out of me, not only because of you know,
mis Theerming is the backing band and that weird combination.
I want to know how this happened. I want to
know who sparked what conversation. Did Nurgle meet Miss Theming
at some black metal event and they just gush about
how great centerth is and they went, you know what,
we'll play it. I don't know, but if wherever this
got booked, if it was in my vicinity, this would
be a must seat for me because I I fucking
love not in it, just fucking a Behemoth. But the
these are like like this is a class sick, cult
black metal thing. If this would turn up at a
fortress or something like that, because it's kind of niche,
you know, But wherever this would be would be a
must see for me because like the idea of Nurgle
playing Behemoth that is not currently represented Behemoth so much
with as I said, one of the best current black
metal bands who are really fucking on it. As the
surrounding this is like really really exciting news. I want
someone to bring this closer to home very much so.
And on that note, fucking hell fire in the Mountains Festival,
which is the it's a really awesome looking festivals. One
of the things was in the world right now that
I think I would most like to be, you know,
picked up an air dropped somewhere, because it happens in
like it's it happens in like you know, the it's
basically the wild West, right It's in the West of America.
And I think some of the guys in Wayfair are
involved with like running and producing and whatnot, and they
always have really cool, interesting bookings with you know, you're
kind of a great more less field underground, extreme artisan
and what not playing this festival. And I know the
strings that must be pulled when I say that some
of the Wayfairer guys have been involved with booking this
and whatnot. The legendary Denver, Colorado gothic country band sixteen
horse Power of all fucking bands. For the first time
in like twenty years, they're playing what is build as
an exclusive US reunion show. And the wording of that
is very interesting to me because it's not exclusive reunion
show that implies you're playing elsewhere, and maybe they'll just
play one in Canada. I don't know, maybe if they
were to appear anywhere in Europe, I would make a
punt and say the robu right, yeah, but sixteen Horsepower
are back.
Speaker 3: For at least for this which did this this like no,
this is like it reminds me of you.
Speaker 1: Know, we did our Acid Bath album club and then
a year later we were talking about like this really
cult thing, not many people know about it, and then
fucking a year later they're an enormous fucking arena rock band,
but sixteen Horsepower being fucking But I'm so glad I
put that album club in now, not only because such
a great thing to talk about and I love that
record and I love this band, but holy shit, never anticipated.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah this will ida. I was like composing then
double backs that wait what you know that that band
that we did an album club that were like really
like unique. I think that's a great book. And then again,
I don't know where if they would rock up in
the UK, like it could happen, But I would like
to see some of these like again more boutique left
field ukfest make a pun of them something like I
know Fortress, Incineration or Damnation feel like they're kind of
like closest spiritual homes sing in the UK or like
an arc tangent maybe like some of that I could
see kind of say this and maybe going we should
put an offer out there and see what we get
from it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that Fire in the.
Speaker 2: Man festival feels like the sort of the perfect place
for them to make a comeback, doesn't it. It's like
so aligned with what the vibes of that band were.
This is a really cool thing to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't actually I don't predict them at any
UK festal I don't know what one would be the
most apt for them, because obviously not being a UK
band they're following is stronger in their home region, which
is where this is, like I said, anywhere in Europe.
If they were to venture out, I think it'll probably
just be road burn. But just have that that sixteen
horse power back is at least for some shows, it's
fucking mad. And yeah, well, like I said, we did
an album club on them. If you are interested in
your darker kind of Americana style of music, that band
are one of the best to ever ever do it.
And obviously the people running Vire in the Mountains festival
clearly agreed and We're like, we need to fucking throw
money at them to do something because fucking sixteen horse
power about absolutely crazy. A couple more album announcements, both
of these for February of twenty six Mayhem, who have
been recording on for a while. Mayhem don't actually produce
appms very regularly, so it's always kind of I'm always
interested when one's coming out. New Mayhem is coming in February,
and there's also as you mentioned, Nothing have been added
to one of those festivals at two thousand Trees that they.
Speaker 3: Are on Trees.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have got their new album, the first I
know they did that kind of co lab album with
like full of Hell, didn't they. But it's their first
like you know nothing just build album since twenty twenty
that is coming out in February, A short History of Decay,
long time actually away from from nothing. So yeah, I'm
sure there'll be a lot of interest in that. Bear
Tooth are currently in the studio and it's being produced
with Jordan Fish. So bart Tooth is gonna suck if
you are getting your hopes up for bear Tooth to
recover from the you know, the the flop that they
did last time.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't wouldn't put money on it.
Speaker 1: Iron Reagan are also back. Iron Reagan, the you know,
crossover thrash band featuring members of Municipal Waste and whatnot.
They went away for a few years. There were some
kind of acrimonious circumstances surrounding Iron Megan Iron Reagan disappearing,
but they have reunited. Were kind of their first lp
eras lineup, and they've announced their first show of twenty
twenty six over in the United States. Yeah, I always
liked Iron Reagan. I feel like everybody liked Iron Reagan,
you know, like it's hard to dislike, just in the
way that see everyone seems to like Unicipal Waste. I
think even more Soca. It's a kind of slightly harder
everyone like Dan Reagan. So I'm just happy to see
that Iron Reagan are back on the scene. And Sam,
I've put this in here for you. Baby Metal are
doing a merch collab for the thirtieth anniversary of Resident Evil.
Would you buy Baby Metal Resident Evil birch if it
was cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love Resident Evil. It's one of
my favorite things. So like, see what's going from there.
But there's been like a bunch of these because it's
like a misfits Godzilla clab has been announced as well,
and I'm like, what is with my favorite nerd things
kind of messing up with with like rock bands and bands?
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, right, So let's get some questions in
last week. I hope you enjoyed last week. Our questions
leaned towards the Halloween side of the spectrum. We had
some kind of time to discuss some movies and what
we might not always.
Speaker 4: Do here on the news.
Speaker 1: Here are a few other questions that got dropped that
are more fitting to be pulled for here. And so
Emmy Lanio is gonna kick us off here and he says,
I'm not from the UK and I found about Creeper
in some obscure blog when they release their first EP
back in the day. Times are different. I know, what
other hidden gems can you recommend from your country? So
let's take this as you know, we are speaking to
people outside of the UK for this question. And so
maybe if there are bands that us here in the
UK are kind of, you know, familiar with, maybe you know,
regulars of the circuit or whatever.
Speaker 4: But if we could just.
Speaker 1: Assume maybe people outside of our country do not know
these bands as well? What would be the bands that
you would say you should check out them, they should
hopefully get a bit more of a lift outside of
our walls.
Speaker 2: I mean there's like a bunch of like hardcore milk
bands I think in terms of like rock bands right
now that people outside of the UK might.
Speaker 3: Not be aware that could like of un people feel
like a very kind of like.
Speaker 2: Band Yeah Vow which obviously ex Palmood and Black Pigs,
like those are the kind of ones that are like,
if you're into you more can like rock music, I
would definitely throw those away. But then this, like if
you like hardcore Dynamite that they feel like they're kind
of like the UK hardcore band who are really doing cool,
Like just kind of feel like a very cool prospect
right now. Yeah, those are the sort ones that immediately
jumped out to me. And I'm sure you've probably have
some like more like metal eating things and again they'd
probably like metal ones that would be like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd say them like yeah, it's an interesting.
Speaker 1: Question this because like the UK rock scene, I I
don't think it's as strong right now than it was
kind of circa twenty sixteen with the generation of Creeper,
Milk Teeth, Black Peaks, and we've lost a lot of
those great bands, and I for my taste at LEAs
where I'm sitting the bands who've kind of come through
and replaced them, I don't find that generally quite as
compelling for me. I think Unpeople are the one that
clearly have the backing of lots of people in the
UK and are kind of pushing them to do that,
so'd be interesting if that goes further slightly more. You know. Again,
if I'm thinking of staples of kind of the UK
heavy scene who maybe aren't as well known kind of
outside of it, I'd maybe say someone like Hidden Mothers
are doing that. Under Dark certainly Hidden Mothers are more
if you're like, you're kind of like screamo post artical stuff,
under Dark are your post black metal. But leaning into
those charactors are influenced frong them, and I think the
last Underdog album is really strong. I'm sure they must
have had some international touring going on by this stage,
but even someone like Earn maybe I think obviously they're
following is primarily UK based, and if you like Big
Riffy metal. I imagine ern could do with maybe a
bit more you picking our listeners outside of the UK.
I mean they've been they've been going for ages and
they had a bad last album. But I still think
right even like the excerpts internationally are absolutely not a
property in the way they are in the UK. And
you know, if you're looking for UK bands that you
might not have been put onto if you live outside
of the UK and our media and whatnot, then go
and check out There Is Only You and hold onto
your heart from the excerpts and they're They're fantastic in terms.
Speaker 4: Of more extreme ones.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this is one I've said for years,
but Voices I always think are like one of the
great black metal bands in the world that are primarily
a UK fixture death metal wise, the one I'm really
kind of thinking right now, at least in the love
to answer sorry is Vacuus, who I know, Like they
put out their album this year on Relapse there's some
obviously a US label, but I still don't think they
have kind of made the waves out, Like you know,
they play shows a lot in the UK, but I
don't think they've made the waves that the really the
popular trendy death metal bands that seem to get kind
of augmented by the US circuit. Vacuous haven't had that,
and I think Vacuous are you know, they deserve some
of that. There's a kind of a collective of bands.
That was one of the main things I thought about
with this is if you like your kind of black
metal and heavy metal sort of you know, blend of stuff.
There's a group of musicians based in Manchester who are
all in a load of bands, and I would say
all of these right so Woad is their most kind
of internationally recognized one. Wode the UK blacktal band. Again,
they've got records on twenty bucks, spin and whatnot. But
I think they are one of the more interesting and
unique and identifiable black metal bands in the world right now,
despite the fact they are essentially a local band. To me,
those musicians are also in some other things where if
you like Unfortunately as band have now broken up, but
to start this year, I would have said the band
Heavy Sentence if you like New waver of British heavy metal,
Heavy Sentence absolutely, I gain We're a staple of the
UK scene, but really one of the great bands of
you know, the current generation globally, I think doing new
wave of British heavy metals type stuff and if you
like that, but scuzzier, more your venom speed metal, black
thrash type thing. The band Aggressive Perfector that some of
those guys are in are again up there for me
with the Midnights and hell Rippers of the world. I
think they're really due in album. It's been quite a
long time now, but Aggressive Profector one of the really
cool sort of black speed metal type bands in the
world that are again primarily sort of a fixture of
the UK scene. So I hope whatever your kind of
your general preference of kinds of music are, I hope
there's a name there that you might not have heard
of that you can you know, jump onto. Chromode asks
what is the most personal hell gig you've ever been
to that can be quality of band overall experienced general
backstory of attending, For example, seeing Creeper and Let Live
in a crowd of Hawthorne Heights fans sounds pretty hellish.
And I guess this this question is almost like the
you know, the the Devil to the Angle of last
week's question we had about kind of particularly atmospherically perfect
shows where the stars aligned and everything was right for it.
What are particularly maybe interesting sort of circumstances, I suppose,
what are the gigs you've been to, Sam where just
shit has not been right for it and you've gone,
oh God, why am I here? Yet?
Speaker 4: Me out of it?
Speaker 2: Anytime there's been like a hardcore band with a kind
of like non hardcore crowd and it's just kind of
like turned into this mess of like people wanting to hardle,
people want to push it, and everyone just kind of
having a bad time, and it just ever moment that
that feels go to one like it was when I
saw like the Ghost inside supporting asking Alexandria fucking years ago,
and like there was people with every ghost out and
it just was like almost friends like splin into a
fight because of like the two vibes of the card
just not going going well together. There weren't many that
that jumped out for me, as I will always kind
of like find the best in a sort of gig
I'm at, Like again, when like the Let Live Creeper
Swam five again. We've said many times I was that
that ten years ago when it was pierced about and
I still had a good time watching those bands. I
think the only of me where like this gig should
have been perfect and it was a miss. Wax Minths
was years ago. It would have been like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: I want to say. I was supposed to see Killswitch
Engage and Hate Breed at the Garage in London, which
is like a six hundred capacity venue. Yeah, and it
just had horrific delays where I did.
Speaker 2: I had to leave before kill Switch played because of
like the delays to what was going on and everything
that could have gone wrong basically went wrong with this gig.
And I was hoping they were great, but it was
kind of like it's eleven o'clock in Kiltitch Games haven't
come on stage yet because of everything going wrong in
I was and it was good. It was like this
should have been like a perfect sort of moment of
me seeing two bands I love in a tiny venue
turning into well I got to watch Hate Breed.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of those where there's been you know,
delays and whatnot. Things I haven't run as they should be.
In terms of I say, personal hell environments. I think
sometimes people tell sories of like, oh, I went to
reading festa with my mates or whatever and we saw this,
And I never really had that because I never got
dragged to shows so much because in my kind of
immediate peer group, I suppose I was always when I
was younger, I was always quite isolated when it came
to sharing music taste and whatnot. So for most of
my time going to shows, I was, you know, I
was a solo giger or then making friends who you know,
go to those same kind of shows. So I got
dragged things that are like really out of like I
should not fucking be here so much. A few environments
where I guess are the closest thing to them is
there's always if there's a disconnecting enjoying where you're watching something,
maybe at a festival, where there's a disconnect in how
much you are enjoying it compared to how much everyone
else is enjoying it, particularly if that is the kind
of negative in first where you are really not enjoying
something and the people around you are going mad for it,
and that maybe it kind of you know, involves some
level of like Jesus Christ, what are you all doing.
There's a few occasions like that that spring to mind.
One is when I went to download in twenty nineteen
and I went to watch I Prevail out of some
kind of like again journalistic interest. I was there on
press and I was like, I'm going to you know,
we reviewed the Eye Prevail album. I'm going to see
what this is like. And it was just dog shit.
Speaker 4: But the you know, the.
Speaker 1: Download crowd there was like really really into it. I
was just like, Jesus, this is depressing. And I still think,
you know, Ryan Defraters who went with me that year,
he beat me that year because I think he told
a story where he like he hurt his foot and
then had to sit in the tent watching Palais Royal.
Speaker 4: Which does sound like a personal hell.
Speaker 1: And also the couple of years I've been to two
thousand Trees, right, two thousand Trees is a great festival.
Speaker 4: I love it there.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. There's always great stuff. But I have seen
some ship there, right, it does happen. And there was
a couple of years in a row where bads like
Young Guns and Mallory Knocks were like inescapable there. And
there was one year where I watched because I was
you know, with people who did want to watch it.
I watched Young Guns into Mallory Knocks in one of
the tents, and both of these bands the right time,
but both of these bands right after the other did
a jump the fuck up where Armed.
Speaker 4: Guns did it?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, And then Mallory Knocks immediately
after them did the same thing, and I was like,
you fuck.
Speaker 3: Mallory Knocks on? Can you jump?
Speaker 1: Would it shock you to learn? I did not remember
what song it was, but just a general thing. But
but that one too is maybe the most like fucking hell,
what is going on here? I told the story earlier
this year when I was at Mystic Festival and there
was this like horrible gush of rain, like absolute torents
at one point, and then we went into the tiniest
venue to see arch Goat and uh, the the like
temperature switch from the outside to somebody being in the
most cramped warm everyone had gotten inside tiny venue and
the water that everyone had been drenched with was just
immediately evaporating off everyone while watching like the really stinky,
ignorant black metal but it just it got so like
so much condensation just melting off for people. It was
genuinely like, you know, archgat was fun, but like the
experience was genuinely quite horrid. And then I've been to
a couple of shows where like I've been traveling and
like I've gone to shows where like most of my
fucking belongings.
Speaker 4: Like in a big coke or something.
Speaker 1: There was one where I was there at a show
I had like fucking like my toothbrush and shit in
a big coat inside way in the pockets. And then
the bus I was meant to get back afterwards got
delayed for like hours and hours, so I was there
fucking out in the street at like three four am,
after shy, waiting for a bus to turn up. And
then this guy appeared and he was like asking me
if I've been at a Netwill show, And basically it
was just kind of the punishing guy where it turned
out to I'm waiting at a bus stop, it's fucking
four am, I've got a coat with like my fucking
like socks inside it, and this guy just here naming
metal bands, being like Exodus, eh, yeah, yeah, they're good,
and they're just awkward silence for a while, and then
fucking oh death Angel, yeah yeah yeah, just name it
and I just cannot escape. So those are some environments
that bring to mind. And finally, Marda Girtle asks best
and worst sequel albums in honor of Sanga War two.
So yeah, obviously sangua War two came out last week.
We haven't like shared our opinions on it because we
are going to be coming around to reviewing it very soon.
So the albums that I would maybe compare to sangle
War two, I suppose we can leave for them, but
I guess yeah, the sequel album phenomenon, there's two sort
of denominations we can separate this into. There are the
one two punch immediately of volumes that are maybe more
deliberately designed in a certain way. So sangu War one
and two has been, you know, fairly immediate. That's your load, reload,
that's your use your illusions, Bathory Nordland one and two.
Keep with the Seven Keys Part one and two, which
is the latter of that is the rare example of
the part two that generally gets mentioned and highlighted more
than the part one does. And then you have the
sequel years down the line of someone like having made
a classic album and then trying to do a kind
of return to it, And the first one that brings
to mind for me is, bizarrely it's Abigail two by
King Diamond, even though I don't feel that strongly about it,
it's just alway the one I associate with it, or
like Welcome to My Nightmare by Alice Cooper, which are
the examples of like twenty to forty years later fucking
turning up and trying to write a classic album. You know,
they're not as only bad albums, but like, of course
it's not going to be as good as.
Speaker 4: It once was.
Speaker 1: Sam sequel albums in terms of those two denominations. I
was just talking about the immediates and then that, oh god,
picking up years down the line, are.
Speaker 3: We counting like the second half of a double album?
Speaker 2: Like even if it's like you know, if it was
always intended to be a double album or is it
or is this the yeah?
Speaker 1: Not not not really, I mean depends on the release schedule,
I suppose, I mean, like the out of Hell's to
two and three or whatever however many it might be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hell Too is.
Speaker 2: Like generally considered pretty good, and then I can't remember
much about three. I don't think like ones that where like, well,
doubts are like they're doing part two of an album.
Like again, there's a lot of prog bands where I'm like,
you've done part two of an album that.
Speaker 3: I don't like. Like I was like, I'm not going
to say that Colors to Buy Between the Buried and
Me is like.
Speaker 1: Well, between the They've actually got both of these examples
because they had Parallax one and two and then Colors two,
which came years after the original Colors, and I think
personally I would say that the two Parallaxes are more
comparable in quality than the two Colors, which are like
two decades apart.
Speaker 4: So there's the.
Speaker 1: Example of a band who have done both. I mean
the thrice album that we spoke about.
Speaker 3: That that's what I was about to shout out.
Speaker 2: Horizons West is probably one of my favorite Seaqual albums.
Speaker 3: I can feel recently where I didn't like again Horizons.
Speaker 2: This is probably one of my lesser Fries albums, and
I think Horizons West is fucking great. So that like
because they have you know, the Alchemy Index as a
double album, but then this one is kind of not
intend to be a double album.
Speaker 3: But you've got a sequel album.
Speaker 2: There are more kind of like I guess Stinkers of
Seagle albums that kind of spring to mind, like Alice
Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare. That was like a bad
idea that you're doing a follow up to a classic album.
However many years later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a niche one.
Speaker 1: But one of the better ones I think is Natmistium's
Black Metal one and two. But again, they came kind
of fairly swiftly on their heels in terms of like
the break and then doing something I actually do, like
hell Billy Deluxe two by Rob Zombie. Well enough, it's
not you know, it's not Helly Deluxe one, But I'm
not judging all that merit really, I'm just judging it
as a Rob Zombie album. I think it's it does
fundamentally the things I would like a Rob Zombie.
Speaker 4: Album to do.
Speaker 1: And obviously these were meant to come out pretty side
by side, but then we ended up having twelve years
in between them.
Speaker 4: But Ty two I thought was great.
Speaker 1: Time Time too was in my gat yeah albums the
list I like Time two, Time two is great. And
then he got into song sequels of course, and you
get tears don't fall apart two and Let's go, Let's
go again, and then a whole different kettle fish opens up.
But yeah, there's a few examples, I suppose, and we
will of course be reviewing sangle Wore two in the
upcoming T and M Reviews show. So we also this
week have finished and polished off our Nola Sludge Special
New Orleans Sludge over on the That's Not Metal Patreon.
It is the biggest special that we have undertaken this year,
Like when it came to the real sprawling, We've got
a lot of information to wrangle here, because we essentially
what this was was like several band specials in one
and then when it came to all of the stuff
that's kind of happening in and around the scene and
the the outlying bands and the events that happened to it.
And having undertaken that, I said, the biggest thing we've
done this year, we've now got you know, several hours
worth together of these two parts really examining the trajectory
of like all of these great legendary bands. This second
part we just put out tracks these bands going into
the twenty first century and New Orleans. I'm sure if
I say this, I know what you guys know what
I mean. New Orleans went through some fucking stuff in
the twenty first century and examining our bands kind of
part in that and how it impacted their trajectory and
the art they produced on the outside of it, and
then following through to the present day. Like I said,
almost like several band specials in one. But I am
this was a special that I had been kind of
sitting on and thinking and planning for a few years,
and like a lot of stuff happened in those few years,
like fucking acid Bass Reunion and whatnot that like wasn't
there when we were kind of germinating the seeds of this,
But now it's all out there. I'm very I'm very pleased,
and I'm very happy that we've kind of knocked that
one out because I think it does offer a brilliant
guide and a step into, if you're interested, the colorful
world of Louisiana sludge that produced sam some of the
great bands in their kind of subset of all times,
some of the most legendary names.
Speaker 4: I hope we were talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that that core collective group of
bands is like proper like you go like this, many
bands come from one area, Like you just don't you
don't see that anymore, Like and like one site kind
of going like, yeah, we're producing the best bands in
a particular genre, and they are they're organ to be classics,
and they're going to form a supergroup that released classic music.
There is a story to this, and that'sually one of
things I made this specially great is there is a
story to the entire kind of like to in a
bit decades, like three decades where we cover of like music.
It really is like a great things gone and so
many albums I've listened to alms. I've rediscovered my love
for albums I kind of didn't know I loved and
have kind of now fallen for just a really great time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you say, however, many decad is like
this second part we've just done is about twenty five
years worth of history. And obviously, you know, bands like
down involved, there are controversies there that we just I'm
just saying we do not shy away from those. We
try and get into how you know, what are the
pros and cons I suppose of like being heavily invested,
and I seemed like they've never scene in twenty twenty five,
but Down and I Hate God and Crowbar and Corrosion
Conformity and Acid Bath and the bands have come out
of Acid Bath like goa Or and Agents of Oblivion,
And we were talking about Soilent Green and it is.
It's one of the most I think synonymous with the
sitting scenes in the entirety of heavy music, which is
why we really wanted to get into it and kind
of tackle it in that way. But following all of
those bands and giving you the guide in terms of
their catalogs, the stronger albums, the alums, we you should
start that kind of thing, following through trying to see
what are the bands in you know, later gneras that
I have kind of inherited that crown, What are the
bands who have picked up and run with it? Where
have the you know, the kind of ripples of Nola
gone to. It was, like I said, it was a
big undertaking, but it's one that we had a lot
of fun doing and in terms of one of the
all time great scenes and cities for big rifts. If
you're listening to us, that's what you like, right, So
you've got to get involved with those bands, and we
have the perfect guide for you in the form of
our Nola' slud special which we completed this week that
is available at patreon dot com slash That's not now.
Let's end this with, as we always do, the releases.
So first week of November here, we've got our releases.
November the seventh, let us start.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: We've got Draine have got their new album called Dot
Dot Dot is Your Friend. Draine is your Friend, I suppose,
the hardcore crossover band, another of the more popular heavy
hardcore bands of the moment. They've got a new album out.
There's also here in the UK Pupil Slicer coming with
a third album. One of the most kind of the
leading lights of contemporary mathcore and whatnot. Their new album
flesh Work is out there. Also Astronoid, who are a
really interesting niche band but I think really have something
unique to offer the general landscape at the moment of
They kind of came from the post black metal world,
but they've turned into just a generally progressive melodic band.
We've reviewed them in the past. Their new album is
called Star God and that is out now. There's also
a self tattled album from set It Off equally ambitious
and far reaching. I'm sure, Sam. Have you been keeping
up on the set Off story? Have they been away?
Is this just business as usual?
Speaker 4: Who knows?
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: We again there that one hour and twenty fourteen that
I had. What it's anything that's happened in the ten
years since?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a self tattled album. So maybe
they've got something to to prove, maybe something to compensate
for the godfathers of New York hardcore Agnostic Front. Have
they got an album out called Echoes in Eternity and
a newer band or in those lines of kind of
heavy crossover thrash, maybe a death thrash, that kind of stuff.
There's about Cold Steel with an album called Discipline and Punish.
Then there's quite a lot out of the more sort
of doom and more chin strokey heavy underground world. I
suppose there's The Devil's Trade, who are a Hungarian kind
of folk ish doom band. I suppose you would call them.
They've got a record that has a Hungarian title, Drowned
in Silver, who are a Polish kind of a cult
rockish gothic rockish band called Mothers Their album is called Mothers.
Then there is the long running Scandinavian melo death band
Omnium Gatherum. They've got an album called Major Bridges We
Burn Light the Way, and a gothic doom band from
Europe November are back with first album quite a long time,
I think about nine years, Words of Indigo. Then Swedish
death metal Centerex with Guts and Glory, so that is
for if you like Swedish style you know what I mean.
Chainsaw Ish death metal from the US featuring members of
bands like Woe and Whatnot. There is a newer death
metal band also called Glorious Gravity, with a record called
Death Never Sleeps. And slam brutal death metal Slammy Stuff,
a band I used to listen to back when I
was more involved with the Slam Stuff, are back with
their first round about ten years called Dysentery, with the
album is called Dejection Chrysalis. Last week the post black
metal band from the US, Yellow Eyes Surprise, dropped a record,
so that's out. It's called Confusion Gait. This week again
the band Vulgar Fluster, German band I think they have
got two records out called Knock and just hung one
and two. It's hard work being a black metal fan
who speaks English.
Speaker 4: It is hard work.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're kind of more European, kind of I think,
kind of leftist in politics leaning black metal band. They've
played Fortress and whatnot. I think that they've got two
albums out, kind of twin albums, and the really nasty
in the depths of extreme metal band cricks Core have
got an album called The Womb of the World. Prime Ordial,
the Irish fantastic heavy, black doom, whatever you want to
call them, just one of the great bands ever. Primordial,
I've got a live album out called Live in New
York City. I think this is the same audio from
like this set got uploaded a while ago and I
watched it and it was fucking great. So if you
are not, for example, seeing Primordial Damnation first for this weekend,
then you have an itch of like I need to
hear some Primordial live stuff. Then they have a live
album out, and then there are a couple of EPs.
One comes from a band called Recollection, who feature members
of hardcore bands such as Haywire, for example, are involved
with Recollection, but they're playing more of a kind of
a Heartland rocky type sound. I guess you would say
they've gone EP called Vivid Dreams and Alectus on Fire
none other than I've got an EP called Copies of
Old Masters Volume one, which is a cover's EP of
I think a lot of Canadian bands like the Tragically
Hip very close to home influences for them. But they've
got their EP out and obviously Volume one suggests there
will be more.
Speaker 3: But there you go. Thank you very much for being
with us.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the listening of our incredible festival gauntlet there.
What are the ones that really sing to you and
strike your fancy and on that particular kick. Next week
on the show will be myself and Elliott reporting from
Damnation Festival, where we are about to go and see
a whole load of the sickest heavy bands that there
had ever been. I'm very excited. I hope to see
some of you guys there, and we will be back
here next week for that, so see you're there.
Speaker 4: Bye.