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<v Speaker 1>Fundamental principles out of reedom, rational self interest, and individual rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Uran Brook Show. Oh right, everybody walk

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<v Speaker 1>up here on Brook Show and this, uh, what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's Friday, Friday, No River fourth and you can see

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<v Speaker 2>stolen the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I am now in Denver, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking out the window here and there's construction right

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<v Speaker 2>in front of my face. But if I can look

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<v Speaker 2>just beyond the construction, there's downtown Denver on my right

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<v Speaker 2>and the amazing, beautiful Rocky mountains right in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>So a beautiful site. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Denver, when the sun is shining as it is

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<v Speaker 2>today and the sky is blue as it is today,

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<v Speaker 2>is a is a pretty special place, a pretty beautiful place.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sadly, it's unusual for me to come to Denver

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<v Speaker 2>and for the to be this good.

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<v Speaker 1>But the weather is really nice right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm exhausted, you know, so you'll have to bear

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<v Speaker 2>with me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Today. I want to give you a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>an update on kind of what's been going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did yesterday. I did debates on capitalism versus Socialism.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be up on the website of the Steamboat Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you search on YouTube Steamboat Institute, you'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Be able to find a video.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they've got a debate series and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the latest debate, so you can find it in

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<v Speaker 2>the Steamboat Institute's YouTube YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I think it was an interesting debate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a guy I've debated in the past a few times,

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<v Speaker 2>I think four times in twenty nineteen. He has become,

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<v Speaker 2>my feeling is my sense, has become less of a socialist,

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<v Speaker 2>much more respectful of markets over that time, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was hard to get him to disagree with much of

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<v Speaker 2>what I said. A few places here and they disagreed.

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<v Speaker 2>But overall, I think it was a good debate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think those they learned something benefited from it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't quite as fiery as a debate as

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<v Speaker 2>you'd expect with a socialist.

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<v Speaker 1>Something crooked over here, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's not cooked. You tell me if it appears

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<v Speaker 2>crooked on your screen, but not play around with it

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<v Speaker 2>too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. That was yesterday. We had about two hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>in the audience, a really good turnout. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of students, which is really good. It was at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs. It was dominated by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd say people on my side dominated the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>which is surprising for an university campus, but maybe for

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<v Speaker 1>not for Colorado Springs, which is a quite a conservative

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<v Speaker 1>place in the audience prizing to me, I learned after

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<v Speaker 1>the fact as he came up and said hello, introduced himself.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd met before, but I don't think he remembered that

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<v Speaker 1>it was Vernon Smith. I don't know if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>know who Vernon Smith is, but Vernon Smith won the

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prize in Economics in two thousand and two. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a free market economist, one of the free market

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<v Speaker 1>economists who won Nobel Prizes in the past. He is

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<v Speaker 1>I believe over one hundred years old. I might be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he's ninety eight or ninety nine. But he was there.

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<v Speaker 2>He came up, congratulated me, made a comment about one

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<v Speaker 2>of the arguments, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Still shop, still with it, and about one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun to Steephenes Smith. The last time I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Vernon Smith, he was angry with me, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the audience at an event probably twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was ninety eight then. Anyway, he was

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<v Speaker 2>in the audience in twenty nineteen at an event in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>That I did where I argued that religion was incompatible

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<v Speaker 1>with liberty and this is an a mon pellerin society meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>He had he used to be an atheist and become

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<v Speaker 2>religious to later in life, very late in life, and argued,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pretty aggressively with me that no religious religion.

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<v Speaker 1>Was necessary for liberty.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was good that this time he thought I

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<v Speaker 2>did well and didn't have anything to contradict me. So

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<v Speaker 2>so that was you know, it was nice that they

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<v Speaker 2>came out to an event like that. It was nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see somebody at about one hundred maybe maybe but

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<v Speaker 2>a little less, maybe a little more around one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years old, still as a shop and.

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<v Speaker 1>Engaged as he is. So that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>What else about yesterday's events? I mean, Steamboat always does

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<v Speaker 2>a good job, so I congratulate them. Hopefully I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do more events with them.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a It was a good event.

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<v Speaker 2>It was well run, it was well managed, and as

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<v Speaker 2>I said at the audience was really good in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of numbers. I want to say something about the event

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<v Speaker 2>I did on Wednesday night in San Francisco. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I've talked about that event. I think I did

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<v Speaker 2>a show just before that event, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the last show, or maybe the show before that,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was last show. Somebody made in the super chat,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody made a comment, aren't you on talking too much

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<v Speaker 2>about Tecker Carlson And aren't you talking too much about

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<v Speaker 2>these post libels about all this negative stuff, their negativity

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<v Speaker 2>and so on? And I kind of almost agreed with

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<v Speaker 2>that and suggested, yeah, maybe maybe there's too much of

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<v Speaker 2>that and everything. Well, after Wednesday night, I am recommitted

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<v Speaker 2>to know the problem is we don't talk about them enough,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really really, really really important that we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about them more and we make arguments against them and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Analyze what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to be doing more, not less

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<v Speaker 2>of that, because what happened on Wednesday. Wednesday was a debate.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a debate with me debating basically the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a kind of an interesting, weird format which I'll

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<v Speaker 2>describe in a minute, but basically.

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<v Speaker 1>The audience.

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<v Speaker 2>The event was put on by the Hamilton society, which

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a group of young men.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Men, but I think the Catholic, the religious, the conservatives,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've created this kind of debating society in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>The members and the people who attend these events are

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<v Speaker 2>all startup founders, the ambitious people within Silicon Valley. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the entrepreneurs. These are the people creating technology. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of them were students, so I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to some of them. Some of them were students, like

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<v Speaker 2>computer science students at Stanford or at Bokley.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is these are the people who came to

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<v Speaker 1>the event. This is the kind of the future of

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<v Speaker 1>Silicon Valley and in that sense, the future of the

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<v Speaker 1>US economy.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of people there. There were over

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred people in attendance at this thing. The event

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<v Speaker 2>was a debate. The proposition was Christianity will destroy the West.

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<v Speaker 2>I defended that proposition, so it was my argument to make.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a speech for about fifteen minutes. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I was supposed to talk for fifteen I think I

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<v Speaker 2>talked for twenty and then a short Q and A

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<v Speaker 2>and then other people could make speeches. The chairman kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the person who runs the Hamilton Society made a

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<v Speaker 2>speech and then he answered questions, and then other people

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<v Speaker 2>in the audience could make speeches, so you can make

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<v Speaker 2>a five minute speech.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I made a speech, and at.

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<v Speaker 2>The end there was something called a duel where me

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<v Speaker 2>and the chairman of the Society went at it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of debate style, but kind of really quick, back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth debate style, which was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I really really enjoyed it, and I think everybody did it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shockingly in spite of the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>audience and this is the surprise, right, so the audience entrepreneurs,

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<v Speaker 2>computer science people, technology people, overwhelmingly religious, overwhelmingly religious.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got a standing ovation at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the very end when he thanked me, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean literally all these people stood up.

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<v Speaker 1>I just argued that Christianity was a disaster, it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to destroy the world.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a horrible you know, the whole idea of

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<v Speaker 2>religion and Christianity particularly horrible ideas and so on. And

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<v Speaker 2>in spite of that, they gave me a standing ovation.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was pretty blown away with that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I did a good job, and it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly a lot of fun. I'll state that again, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the quality of the audience was like,

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<v Speaker 2>but here's the thing that really struck me and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I'm going to be talking a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>about these crazies on the right. At least I think

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<v Speaker 2>there were two, but at least one explicitly one of

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<v Speaker 2>the speeches.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want that many speeches. Given One of the speeches,

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<v Speaker 1>try to make the argument.

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<v Speaker 2>By a young guy, I'm sure really smart again from

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<v Speaker 2>Tech made a speech basically arguing that Western civilization was

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally a civilization of Europeans and only Europeans, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was not about ideas, It was not at all about ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>An issue of blood, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy who made it was a Spaniard,

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<v Speaker 2>so I suggested he do a twenty three in meter

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<v Speaker 2>him the Spanish, the Spanish, you know, empire probably had

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<v Speaker 2>successful more because of the Islamic Empire that had been

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<v Speaker 2>there before them, the Muslim empire that had been there

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<v Speaker 2>before them, than anything European, you know, anyway, I rebucked

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<v Speaker 2>what he said and everything, but the very notion that

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<v Speaker 2>he would say Western civilization is about being white basically

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<v Speaker 2>a European, and that was not He was not the

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<v Speaker 2>only one who said that. One other speech was similar

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<v Speaker 2>to that, slightly different spin. Okay, that was one speech.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a number of people came up to me

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<v Speaker 2>afterwards and we were talking, and one of them wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to defend ideas of Kurdis Yovin. We'll talk more about

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<v Speaker 2>Kurtis Yavin in future shows. Maybe we'll take a video

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<v Speaker 2>or article of his and analyze it because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth doing. Or maybe we'll have Nicos on and

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<v Speaker 2>Nicos has read a lot of Kurtis.

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<v Speaker 1>Havn and we'll talk about We'll talk about that. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important that he's a thinker, arguably and

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual arguably behind much of what's going on in Solican

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<v Speaker 2>value terms of a shift to the right. But he

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<v Speaker 2>believes in in a monarchy. He believes in running out

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<v Speaker 2>the country like a corporation. The country should be run

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<v Speaker 2>by a CEO with authoritarian power. Anyway, so that came

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<v Speaker 2>up and a number of people were like nodding ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and supporting, and then another guy, you know, was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of we were going back and forth. At some point

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<v Speaker 2>he said, he looked at me with this puzzled look

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<v Speaker 2>in his face, and he said, I mean, with the

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<v Speaker 2>real puzzled looks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this was authentic.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, shoe against white nationalism, and I got angry

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<v Speaker 2>because that is such a white nationalist is a despicable

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<v Speaker 2>idea that I really got angry. And he looked really

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<v Speaker 2>puzzled and taken aback by the fact that I would

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<v Speaker 2>to the mid nineteen nineties, so for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But Adam, says Curtisyovvin, I've seen better arguments from middle schools. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Way some of us do.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Adam, who have known since the nineties, been part

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Anyway, Adam just put out a letter, which I

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<v Speaker 2>the heavy foundation he was. It turns out I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>at the Heritage Foundation, and he resigned, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>want to read parts of the letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I did not get a copy of the letter,

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<v Speaker 2>It was published by Ilia Ilia, which Ilio one of

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<v Speaker 2>the ISLI so many which are and I get them

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<v Speaker 2>the show again. Anyway, It's a powerful letter resignation, so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought it would be worth reading it out. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Resignation in a series of people leaving Heritage Foundation and

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<v Speaker 2>resigning over what it's happened over the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>that we've covered here regarding Heritage. I think it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>against evil, and in this case, Heritage is representing evil,

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<v Speaker 2>and stand up against it and quit, but also explain

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<v Speaker 2>why they quit. I've seen some people resigning from Heritage

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<v Speaker 2>without really saying why. So what I like about Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>what I like about this is Adam published the letter

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that is important because it's.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read you from the letter.

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<v Speaker 2>It basically is addressing all these things that we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody wants to make the point that Adam back Trump. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump because of that, and after October seventh, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>It is with heavy heart that I resigning my visiting

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<v Speaker 2>is effective immediately I get a skip because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>long letter. Unfortunately, October thirtieth video and your subsequent interviews, videos,

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<v Speaker 2>and commentary have made it clear to me that Heritage

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<v Speaker 2>proud to join in twenty nineteen. Adam and I might

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<v Speaker 2>disagree about the story think tank, but that's not the point.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>Y October thirtieth videos video indefensible. So were your purported

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<v Speaker 2>The October thirtieth interview was worse than a poor choice

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<v Speaker 2>inversion to use the language of ancient anti Semitic blood libel,

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<v Speaker 2>lowsome to use this language to defend Tucker Calson. Tucker

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<v Speaker 2>is quickly following Candide's own down the very dark path

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<v Speaker 2>of Jewish conspiracy theories and defenses of Nazis. After a

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<v Speaker 2>Repeatedly con firmed by her ensuing years by her in

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<v Speaker 2>the ensuing years. Similar to canvases just asking questions strategy,

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker's increasingly hosting friendly head nodding in agreement interviews with

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<v Speaker 2>interview of Derelkoopa and Agapia the name I can't pronounce,

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<v Speaker 2>number of friendly interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>With nihilists and anti Semites.

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<v Speaker 2>In all of these interviews, Tucker's blankantly refused to challenge

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<v Speaker 2>any of their calumnies, propaganda, and falsehoods, despite despite your

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<v Speaker 2>thirty first, that we should quote challenge them head.

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<v Speaker 2>This bears emphasis emphasizing Taka has never challenged one of

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<v Speaker 2>single question about his Nazi views or even his Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>to quote four inters, this is neither. This is neither

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<v Speaker 2>debate nor critical engagement with ideas with which we profoundly disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>This is toleration and or agreement with evil ideologies and ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>This is made even more clear by Taker's contrary treatment

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<v Speaker 2>of anyone he deemed to be a quote Zionist. Unlike

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<v Speaker 2>Taker gives credence. There's millions of viewers that evil ideologies, collectivism, nihilism,

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker's friendly and laughing conversation with fuantas signals there's millions

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker makes clear we at least, we at least should

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<v Speaker 1>tolerate such evil because, as you said in your October

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<v Speaker 2>This is a massive moral inversion. This is the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of what Heritage Foundation you know, stood for over many

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<v Speaker 2>decades in America political discourse. It stands in the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>Although you told us in the town hall last Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four million views today. That's what it remains unclear

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<v Speaker 2>precisely and specifically what you regard as your moral mistake

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<v Speaker 1>This is compounded by the mixed messages that you have

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<v Speaker 2>About the lessons you have learned, you have con continually reiterated,

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm aware, you have not disavowed this claim.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're falsely conflated here the struggle sessions and cancelation

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<v Speaker 2>Even with your missed messages mixed messages, one thing is

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<v Speaker 2>clear by your words and actions. Heritage is wedded to

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker and everything he has come to represent on the

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<v Speaker 2>periphery of the groper movement created by Fuentas. Instead of

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, you've chosen a false friend of the American

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that Heritage was supposed to represent. This in abstract,

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<v Speaker 2>this profound failing of truth and justice would give me

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<v Speaker 2>serious pause and would still I would still ultimately resign.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's even more pressing today to call out the

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<v Speaker 2>small failing and to take a stand.

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<v Speaker 1>It is still shocking to me that the day is

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<v Speaker 1>the worst single day slaughter of Jews and the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 2>The invasion and attack of Israel in October seven, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, was unleashed its tsunami violent anti semitism.

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<v Speaker 1>This swept Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>In the US in the past two years, woke brownshirts

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<v Speaker 2>have been screaming genocidal slogans in the streets on the

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<v Speaker 2>university campuses. They have been doing much worse than merely

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<v Speaker 2>screaming slogans like free Palestine and from the Rivers to

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<v Speaker 2>the Sea. They've acted in harassing and assault and assaulting

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<v Speaker 2>American Jews, fire bombing and vandalizing homes and businesses, and

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<v Speaker 2>murdering American Jews in DC, Colorado, and California.

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<v Speaker 1>This has never happened before in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>The nihilists and collectivist bigotry has driven woke leftists into

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<v Speaker 2>frenzied unseen, into frenzies unseen in the West since the

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<v Speaker 2>original now Nazi brown Shirts terrorized Jews in Germany in

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<v Speaker 2>the twenties and thirties and has now reared its ugly

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<v Speaker 2>head in the American political rights. Now is the time

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<v Speaker 2>to differentiate the right in the left, not to join

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<v Speaker 2>the left and embracing this toxic fusion of collectivism and

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism. He continues, You make clear your choice endorsement

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<v Speaker 2>and toleration of false friends of freedom, rights, liberty, and

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<v Speaker 2>the American ideals of defining father despite the awelliant claims

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<v Speaker 2>to the contrary that they are advocates of America.

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<v Speaker 1>First to represent conservatism.

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<v Speaker 2>Worse than false friends, they have proven to be advocates

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<v Speaker 2>of the evil ideologies that cheek to destroy these achievements

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<v Speaker 2>of Western civilization as represented by the United.

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<v Speaker 1>States of America. I cannot stand by in silence. It

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<v Speaker 1>is time for choosing. I choose to resign, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a powerful letter. I want to congratulate Adam

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<v Speaker 2>for doing this. It's not easy, although you know, given

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<v Speaker 2>given how bad things are, maybe it is easy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not easy to leave a post. It's not easy to

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<v Speaker 2>stand up to your boss and to your peers. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not easy to make make this public and take

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<v Speaker 2>a moral stand in public in this way, Adam is is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in this in that world of think tanks

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<v Speaker 2>and and uh conservatives and small el libertarians we'll call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. Uh, you know, think tanks in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>He's part of that world. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And and he's taken their courageous stand here. And I

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<v Speaker 2>give him credit for that. Uh, I get him credit

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<v Speaker 2>for that. And I and I think he's absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely right in his diagnosis of heritage and coverent heritage

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and and and where it is heading and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and kind of the moral travesty of what Roberts did,

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<v Speaker 2>as we talked about on the show. So if you'd like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to read the letter, you can find

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<v Speaker 2>it on Twitter against again, Elio Shapiro published it, So

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<v Speaker 2>just look up earlier Shapiro.

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<v Speaker 1>And you will find I think you will find the letter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth reading if you know Adam, it's worth sending

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<v Speaker 2>out Adam congratulations for for for resigning from Heritage, even

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<v Speaker 2>though again I'm sure it was not an easy professional thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe it was easy. Again, given the stakes for Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>it probably was easy, but again not not professionally not easy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. Okay, So yeah, I mean, this battle will continue.

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<v Speaker 2>It is great to having more people. It is important

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<v Speaker 2>to have more people join the fight. It's important to

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<v Speaker 2>call out the left and the right on on the

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<v Speaker 2>on on these kind of issues. I have said for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, and and not everybody's gonna agree with

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<v Speaker 2>me that I think the right is. It's a large

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<v Speaker 2>extent the Lodger enemy, the enemy that I think warries me.

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<v Speaker 1>More because.

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<v Speaker 2>It is to some extent, you know, affiliated with where

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<v Speaker 2>we are and what we represent. So again I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>to see I'm glad to see more people join this battle,

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<v Speaker 2>and we would be talking much more about this in

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<v Speaker 2>the weeks, months.

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<v Speaker 1>And probably years to come. It's not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>any easier. It's not going to get any better. As

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<v Speaker 1>I say in Silicon Valley in San Francisco, it is spreading.

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<v Speaker 1>It is spreading, by the way. I hope to return

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<v Speaker 1>to that, to the to the Hamilton Society again, to

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<v Speaker 1>do more debates.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping to engage with them because I think engagement engagement.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. You know, some of those views are.

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<v Speaker 2>Horrific and really horrible, but the people who run the

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton Society are not the people who actually presented those views.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are some the people who attended to talk, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're religious.

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<v Speaker 2>We disagree, but we need to have this conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be able to present rational ideas to

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<v Speaker 2>people who might be open to still changing their minds

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the really horrible positions that they have

519
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<v Speaker 2>and the damage Tucker is doing in our world that

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<v Speaker 2>Candice is doing, the Jdvans is doing that, Patrick Deneen

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<v Speaker 2>is doing, the JD Vance is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is unimaginable. It really is unimaginable.

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<v Speaker 2>Chandas says, Uran is the Devil, I don't think the

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<v Speaker 2>devil is the right terminology. I think the terminology these

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<v Speaker 2>days is Uran is the Antichrist. I think that is

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<v Speaker 2>the terminology that Peter teel Is is spreading. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>anti Christ. Okay, so that is That is Adam's letter

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<v Speaker 2>to Heritage, which I thought was worth reading to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to add one thing it just because

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<v Speaker 2>I came across this as I was preparing the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Again from Techo Calson, just to keep you up to

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<v Speaker 2>speed about Tackle Causon. It turns out that in this

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<v Speaker 2>morning's newsletter, the tacko Colson published. He publishes I Guess,

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<v Speaker 2>a weekly newsletter. Tucker finally found people who he believes

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<v Speaker 2>are really, you know, really property call and compared to

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis, it's not for wins, it's not candas. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually Israelis, Israelis and Jews like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes about them, These people are sick, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He makes the argument that in the Old Testament, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he makes an Old Testament argument about about the Jews, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jews, uh and uh about the Jewish, supposedly the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish blood superiority.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, there's no such thing as blood superiority. I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>And then he says those who disagree, like the IDF's leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>he is really Defense Forces leaders have more in common

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<v Speaker 2>with ad of Eichmann than Jesus. So the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>leaders he has decided believe in blood superiority. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know any idea fleetiers who believe that, he says, of

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<v Speaker 2>more common with Adam of Eichmann than Jesus. It's y,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's pretty sick. H Tucker CALLSI His is

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<v Speaker 2>really evil, sick, bad, horrific. All of the above, don't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with him, and ideally.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't subscribe, you know, don't have anything to do with him,

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<v Speaker 1>sanction him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh by the way, Troy came in, Thank you Troy

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<v Speaker 2>with five hundred austrolion dollars. Thank you, Thank you Troy.

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<v Speaker 2>That is incredibly generous and very much appreciated. I know

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<v Speaker 2>we had some other stickers from Kim.

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<v Speaker 1>I said that earlier, and I think you know there

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<v Speaker 1>was some there was ru downs, So thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's look a little bit about housing, a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of small stories about housing.

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<v Speaker 2>But kind of that that struck me that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>post going around. I think it was published like two

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<v Speaker 2>or three days ago, yeah, November twelfth, so two days

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<v Speaker 2>ago it was published a post. It has a beautiful picture.

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<v Speaker 2>This is on Twitter. Beautiful picture of a house. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a pretty big house. This particular house.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's about three five hundred and fifty square feet.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like what you considered a classic American two story.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an attic. They might be a basement, but in

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<v Speaker 2>a very lots of trees. Beautiful, beautiful house, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>not my style architecture, but a big, distinguished house. And

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<v Speaker 2>the heading goes, an average working class man man could

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<v Speaker 2>buy this house in the nineteen fifties support four kids

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<v Speaker 2>and a state and a house and stay home wife. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>a two income household can't even buy eggs without going

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<v Speaker 2>into debt. What is what the eff is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Many people on Twitter have pointed out, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>part of the dangers of Twitter, that this house in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties would have required, you know, an income

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<v Speaker 2>that is probably in the top one percent. This is

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<v Speaker 2>far far off from an average working class a salary

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<v Speaker 2>could afford this house. An average working class salary in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties. And the average house in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifties was about one thy twelve hundred square feet, so

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<v Speaker 2>about a third a third of the size of this house.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one story and pretty simple and pretty pretty bare,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty bare, not in this kind of neighborhood and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>not this kind of size and not kind of this prosperity.

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<v Speaker 2>And people since then have been posting photos making fun

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, somebody posted a photo of the white house,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and said, in the nineteen seventies, a peanut

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<v Speaker 1>farmering to Jimmy Carter, you know, I could buy this house,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with folk kids and stay at home mom

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<v Speaker 1>and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people are making fun of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's important to note that. And we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this a lot on the show, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking about it because it keeps going back. This

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous nostalgia to some imagined nineteen fifties utopia is bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>and wrong and deceiving and dishonest, fundamentally dishonest. There was no,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, dream utopia in the nineteen fifties. The nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>people did not live better lives. They were not wealthier.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not true that you could afford all these wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>things on one salary that you can't today.

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<v Speaker 1>Our standard living, quality of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Our homes are cause our technology, our washing machines and

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<v Speaker 2>dryers and a conditioning and the million of the gadgets

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<v Speaker 2>that we have at home that didn't exist back then.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to share size of homes and plots of

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<v Speaker 2>land and everything so outstrip anything that was happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties that it's just incomparable how much bad

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<v Speaker 2>a life is today, and yet both the left and

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<v Speaker 2>the right, for different reasons, harken back to the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>as if there's some ideal. So no, no, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a complete lie, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lie being constantly repeated and perpetrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't fall for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you hear it, speak up against it, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's part of this idea of going backwards. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that one of the things I represent is

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<v Speaker 2>an anti stagnation perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>My perspective is if you don't grow, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>move forward, then you go backwards. And growing backwards means

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<v Speaker 2>or going backwards doesn't make any sense. You stop going.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually, if you stop going, you start shrinking, and

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<v Speaker 2>shrinking means death. Shrinking means approaching death. So life requires growth,

633
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<v Speaker 2>Life requires forward forward progress, Life requires ambition into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And UH and and these kind of pictures and memes

635
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and and ideas are destructive to that ambition and moving forward.

636
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<v Speaker 2>This veneration of a past, UH is just pathetic and ridiculous.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Talk about pathetic and ridiculous and housing A JD. Vans

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<v Speaker 2>in an interview I think yesterday, UH said the following

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<v Speaker 2>and and and we've talked about the fact that housing prices,

640
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<v Speaker 2>particularly on the coast, I expended it. Housing prices have

641
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>gone up significantly, although again the extent to which they've

642
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>gone up, to the extent of which housing is unaffordable,

643
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.280
<v Speaker 2>to the extent of which young people can afford houses,

644
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 2>is vastly and horrifically exaggerated by.

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<v Speaker 1>Both left, Mom, Donnie, and right everybody in the right,

646
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the.

647
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 2>The victim and grievance grievance mentality is now shared by

648
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>left and right and both you know, aggressively pitching grievances.

649
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 2>And one of the big grievances is housing. Anyway, jade

650
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Van's responding to that, says, said this, a lot of

651
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>young people are saying housing is way too expensive.

652
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Why is that because we flooded the country with thirty

653
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>million illegal immigrants who were taking.

654
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Houses they that ought that ought by right to go

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<v Speaker 2>to American citizens.

656
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Now, there's so much wrong with this.

657
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, again, this is straight out of the kind

658
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 2>of leftist zero sum world perspective. Now, thirty million illegals,

659
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 2>where do you get that number? That's a vastly exaggerated number.

660
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>But this is the guy who talked about Haitian immigrants

661
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>eating cats in Ohio or wherever it was.

662
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>So he is not He lies strategically. He knows exactly

663
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>what he's doing, and he knows exactly where to exaggerate,

664
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>where to make up stuff and repeated, repeated, repeat it,

665
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and then people start believing it and just becomes part

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<v Speaker 1>of our culture. So there were no thirty million illegal immigrants.

667
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<v Speaker 1>And I thought these illegal immigrants were destitute. I thought

668
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they were coming here and sucking on the tits of

669
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the state. They were welfare recipients, they had nothing. How

670
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 1>did these guys get loans? How did they get a mortgage?

671
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<v Speaker 1>Or did they afford the incredibly high prices?

672
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>A bogus And if homes are unaffordable to Americans I've

673
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 2>lived in the United States and who have jobs and

674
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 2>are llegal in the United States, how are these houses

675
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.519
<v Speaker 2>affordable to illegal immigrants? I don't understand that. You know,

676
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 2>that makes absolutely no sense to me, right, that somehow

677
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>these houses are.

678
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<v Speaker 1>Affordable to illegal immigrants.

679
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 2>But even if it was the case that we had

680
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 2>a large immigration into the country, and let's assume that

681
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 2>these immigrants are hard working, they're making money, so they can.

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00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Afford a house. Then the reason house prices are going

683
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<v Speaker 1>up is not because of this massive immigration coming in.

684
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<v Speaker 1>It's because we're not building homes fast enough in order

685
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>to fulfill. Then you demand why isn't a response we

686
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>should have built more houses? And what about this idea

687
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of taking houses that ought by right to go to

688
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 1>American citizens? I mean, I know the left believes that.

689
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 2>You have a right to basic income and a right

690
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 2>to food, and right to healthcare, and right to education,

691
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.559
<v Speaker 2>and maybe even a right to housing. Now it turns

692
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<v Speaker 2>out that Jadvans believes that Americans have a right to

693
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>housing by right. Homes and our fixed pot that the

694
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<v Speaker 2>government allocates by right to the deserving class, and the

695
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>deserving class people who have I don't know, American ancestral blood.

696
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should allocate houses based on how many generations

697
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 2>have been in America. Maybe that's how we should allocate houses,

698
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>not by price because they're expensive, but just by if

699
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 2>you can, if your ancestors fought in the Civil War,

700
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 2>get house. A War of Independence, you get two houses

701
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 2>World War two, maybe half of ours.

702
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

703
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 2>So the more ancient your bloodline, the bigger a house

704
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>you get something like that. I mean Jdvans repeatedly engages

705
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>in collectivistic, zero sum central planning thinking. And one of

706
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 2>my goals over the next three years is going to

707
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 2>be to do everything that I can to discredit JD

708
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 2>events now so that he does not become the Republican

709
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.239
<v Speaker 2>nominee in twenty twenty eight. Now, I try to do

710
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that which Trump didn't work but postially because I thought

711
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 2>that September that January sixth would finish Trump off and

712
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>it didn't.

713
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 1>But here we have a specific target, Jady Vance.

714
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure that this guy is so discredited,

715
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>at least by people who listen to my show, that

716
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 2>he is not the nominee. And to do that, we'll

717
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 2>talk about Jade Vance, We'll talk about Tacker, Calson and

718
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 2>four Inches, because I think they're all related, and clearly

719
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.039
<v Speaker 2>he is the candidate of Taker, Calsa and the good Friends.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think I have any influence, but to

721
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>the extent that I have influenced, I'm hoping that we

722
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 2>don't get to a position in twenty twenty eight where

723
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of you and a bunch of other objectives

724
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 2>think that Jadvans is the best candidate out there, and

725
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that objectives should support him because by then, hopefully we

726
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 2>have discredited enough shown how collectivistic, zero sum central planning

727
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 2>he is and how culturally horrific he is in terms

728
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>of views.

729
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>That that won't even be an option.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Somebody says the nineteen fifties when aberration in American

731
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 2>history and was never the norm. No, I don't think

732
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 2>that nineteen fifties went aberration, but they weren't that great.

733
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people forget that in the early nineteen fifties,

734
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 2>many many families had to double up in homes. You know,

735
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 2>veterans came back from World War Two, and it took

736
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:26.960
<v Speaker 2>them a while to get up on their feet and

737
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to get good jobs and to you know, and the

738
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Gibo made it possible for them to go get an education.

739
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>But then they had to start from somewhere, and they

740
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>started from nothing. In the economy had to recover from

741
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 2>the horrors of the Great Depression in the World War.

742
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 2>So the nineteen fifties were a period of struggle and

743
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 2>a period of much difficulty. And yes, the economy did very,

744
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 2>very well because it was it had been deregulated in

745
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen forties and the Federal Reserve did a

746
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 2>decent job of not inflating the economy. And it did okay,

747
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>it did well, but it wasn't like whoa nineteen fifties amazing, stunning,

748
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't.

749
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that great. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally a piece of good news also about housing, which

751
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.000
<v Speaker 2>is interesting, and that is that the Institute for Justice

752
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Interest for Justice, which is.

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00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 1>A free market pro American you know.

754
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Firm, that legal firm that that basically sues the government

755
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 2>over violations of individual rights, is now suing the government

756
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and hopes to take this case to the Supreme Court.

757
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.920
<v Speaker 2>It's suing the government aren't about rent control, So it

758
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 2>is a lawsuit that that is, you know, suing this

759
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>idea of rent control as a taking as a constitutional

760
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>violation of the takings clause. Now they're only they're doing

761
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>it on a limited basis. That is, they're not challenging all.

762
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Rent control schemes because they're not sure they could win that.

763
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>They're hoping to win this one.

764
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Again, a lot of these legal institutions like Spacific Legal

765
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Foundation and IJ view this as incremental. You get good

766
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>rulings that overturned bad laws and then you expand that

767
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 2>here they're looking at apartments that are basically sitting vacant

768
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>because rank control would allow them to charge rent that

769
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.559
<v Speaker 2>is so low, only charge rent that is so low

770
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't make any sense for these people to

771
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>actually rent the apartment out.

772
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Is an example. This is an apartment in Manhattan.

773
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:43.199
<v Speaker 2>It contains two bedrooms, and the legal rent is set

774
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>at seven hundred dollars a month. Can you imagine that

775
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 2>in Manhattan seven hundred dollars a month with two bedrooms.

776
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.360
<v Speaker 2>The apartment became vacant in twenty nineteen after a long

777
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>term tenancy. The last tenant was in the apartment for

778
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:03.079
<v Speaker 2>over forty years, vacant ever since, because it simply doesn't

779
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>make sense for this company who owns the apartment to

780
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 2>rent department out for seven hundred dollars a month. According

781
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.480
<v Speaker 2>to the law, they have to renovate this apartment. They

782
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>have to bring it up to code, they have to

783
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 2>upgrade furnishings, and not to luxury, just at the basic

784
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:20.519
<v Speaker 2>level that the regulations demand. That would cost so much

785
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>money that they would never recoup the investment for seven

786
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars a month, So they would rather just let

787
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 2>it sit there empty than make the investment to bring

788
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it up to code. Now, the argument is that by

789
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 2>limiting their ability to rent it at a higher rate,

790
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the government is basically violating the taking clause of the Constitution. Now,

791
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:50.599
<v Speaker 2>supposedly Justice Thomas, at least in an opinion that he

792
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 2>wrote a few years ago, gave an opening to challenging

793
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the whole idea of in control from a constitutional basis.

794
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>And IJ is filing this lawsuit with the idea of

795
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>taking it to the Supreme Court and hoping to at

796
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.760
<v Speaker 2>least overrule some aspects of rent.

797
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Control, which would be amazing.

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00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, some of the best things happening in the

799
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 2>world today are the things that Instant the organizations like

800
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.440
<v Speaker 2>IJ and Pacific lead the Foundation are doing. They are

801
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>fighting in the courts for more freedom. They are being,

802
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, quite successful, and some of the best news

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00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 2>that we have in terms of liberty and freedom comes

804
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.519
<v Speaker 2>from these lawsuits that they are bringing. So congratulations to

805
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>IJ for being in this lawsuit, and we'll follow it

806
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and hope that they win in the Supreme Court and

807
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>we get to over turn at least a portion of

808
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>rent control, and that maybe will set up the stage

809
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.199
<v Speaker 2>for doing a word and control completely. Finally, that would

810
00:48:54.199 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>be pretty amazing. All right, let's see where we want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's housing. Oh yeah, more good news. This good news

813
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 1>is on the tariff front.

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00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and his administration which have for months and

815
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 2>months and months and months now told us over and

816
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 2>over and over again, the towers do not raise prices.

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<v Speaker 2>That indeed, tawots are being paid by foreign manufacturers. I've

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00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 2>changed their minds, it turns out, according to them. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>in spite of the fact that tariffs don't raise prices,

820
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 2>if you eliminate tariffs, prices go down.

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<v Speaker 1>That's miraculous. Hard to imagine, hort to understand how that works,

822
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 1>but how to believe anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>In an executive order this afternoon, this Friday, Donald Trump

824
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.440
<v Speaker 2>is slash towse slash towers on a number agricultural products.

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00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Impudding impart to say, these are all tariffs that he

826
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<v Speaker 2>put in place, so he slashed his own tafts. These

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<v Speaker 2>are not ancient tabs tariffs that he put He has

828
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<v Speaker 2>slashed them in an effort, explosive effort to bring down

829
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<v Speaker 2>the cost of grocery prices.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I know many of you complained that I did

831
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<v Speaker 1>not believe in.

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<v Speaker 2>The tariffs that tariffs were just aimed at at. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't raise prices because fawn has paid them. Even Donald

834
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<v Speaker 2>Trump now understands that tarifts raised prices stunning So, uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to buy oranges, or tomatoes, or bananas,

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<v Speaker 2>or much more importantly, if you want to buy coffee

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<v Speaker 2>or cocoa, chocolate and tea, prices are going to go

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<v Speaker 2>down because tariffs have just been slashed on all those products.

839
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<v Speaker 1>Also, beef inputs.

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00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Have been tariffs have been slashed, as well as spices

841
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>and even some fertilizers.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I mean, I know. This has a lot to

843
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<v Speaker 1>do with poll numbers.

844
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>That suggest that Americans are very upset about the cost

845
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.119
<v Speaker 2>of living, and the cost of living has gone up

846
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.239
<v Speaker 2>over the last year to large extent because of tariffs,

847
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>which we I know, the economists, who can't predict anything,

848
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>we have told you over and over and over again,

849
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 2>will raise prices.

850
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>They have to. They have, and even the Trump administration

851
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:36.480
<v Speaker 1>out recognizes that and to remedy that they're cutting tariffs.

852
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>This is great news. I suggest that Trump go all in.

853
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 1>This is his great opportunity to change his mind and

854
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to actually lower dramatically the cost of living in the

855
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:52.480
<v Speaker 1>United States. How about zero tariffs on everything?

856
00:51:53.800 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Be a revolutionary Trump, be a real radical none of

857
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.119
<v Speaker 2>us wishy washy stuff, not just on bananas. Cut tariffs

858
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>on steel and aluminum and automobiles and everything everything.

859
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Make it zero. You want to make America great again,

860
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:18.199
<v Speaker 1>That's how you do it. Liberate us, move us towards freedom,

861
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that's how you do it. So yeah, good news. Prices

862
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>are going to come down. Your coffee should cost less

863
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 1>very very soon.

864
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So excited about the fact that the Trump administration is

865
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 2>learning maybe a little lesson maybe the e stapolated more

866
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 2>broadly about tariffs and actually.

867
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Coming to realize that this is.

868
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that even as of also Friday, the

869
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump reiversation also announced that those tariffs that they had

870
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:03.880
<v Speaker 2>on Switzerland. You remember they put like fifty percent tariffs

871
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 2>on Switzerland on watchers and chocolate and stuff like that,

872
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.400
<v Speaker 2>it turns out that they are now easing easing. I

873
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.679
<v Speaker 2>don't know what easing means and how much they're easing,

874
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>but the punishing levees on imports from Switzerland they're going

875
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 2>to be dramatically lower. So yeah, it's it's getting to

876
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 2>the point where.

877
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know the tariff issue is slowly being the

878
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 1>impact of it is slowly being reduced. I will say

879
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.760
<v Speaker 1>today I spoke at Leadishipport and the Rockies, which I

880
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.559
<v Speaker 1>speak at every year, and I and both the speaker

881
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>before me and me both attacked Trump's tariffs in front

882
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:51.199
<v Speaker 1>of a group of that usually really resents challenging Trump

883
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:55.159
<v Speaker 1>on anything, and they have spoted pretty well. So I

884
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:56.280
<v Speaker 1>think the tide has.

885
00:53:56.280 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Shifted in terms of public opinion about tariffs, and maybe

886
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.360
<v Speaker 2>this is one battle where reason and rationality is winning

887
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>at least a little bit. All right, let me let

888
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.840
<v Speaker 2>me just see what do we We're going to talk

889
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 2>about those three items, Okay, one more lengthy one and

890
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 2>one short ones. I want to talk a little bit

891
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:24.280
<v Speaker 2>about the Philibesta, which is being on really on people's

892
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>minds with the with the government shutdown and the idea

893
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you needed sixty votes in order to pass this this

894
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 2>continuing resolution. Why sixty why not just fifty one? Why

895
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>do we need this special thing in the Philibusta? And

896
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>some people claiming, oh, it's in the constitution, which.

897
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Is not so.

898
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit of a philibusta's

899
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>arugument for it and arguments against it. Give you a

900
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 2>little bit of history of where it comes from. Uh

901
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and and and give you a little sense of what

902
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 2>this is about. So the philibesta was really born in

903
00:54:54.519 --> 00:55:00.280
<v Speaker 2>eighteen oh six. It was in the early Senate, right

904
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the Republic. You know, a simple

905
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.280
<v Speaker 2>majority could cut off debate using a rule called previous

906
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.599
<v Speaker 2>question motion. It's a tool that the House has, and

907
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 2>so at some point you're debating and debating and debating

908
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:13.000
<v Speaker 2>and debating.

909
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 1>And okay, enough, we have to vote.

910
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 2>In eighteen oh six, of the recommendation of Vice President

911
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Burr, the Senate removed this motion as part of

912
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:26.280
<v Speaker 2>a kind of cleaning up the rules. As unintended consequences,

913
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 2>they created the filibuster. The filibuster at the time mean

914
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that people could continue debating the issue indefinitely and hold

915
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:38.280
<v Speaker 2>up a vote indefinitely, as long as you kept debating,

916
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 2>as long as you kept speaking, and there was no

917
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>formal mechanism to end debate. And indeed, the first filibusters

918
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:54.000
<v Speaker 2>started in the eighteen thirties and eighteen forties, and suddenly

919
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 2>people realized, well, unlimited debate was possible, and we'll never

920
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 2>get to vote on this if they keep talking. So

921
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 2>the filibuster was born out of neglect, out of unintended

922
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>consequences of a slight change of a rule.

923
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:09.679
<v Speaker 1>They didn't really know.

924
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:11.880
<v Speaker 2>What happened in philibuster is the idea that you could

925
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 2>continue talking, you continue debating one or several senators, and

926
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 2>you can continue doing this so the vote never comes

927
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>to the floor, you know, And there were examples where

928
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.880
<v Speaker 2>this worked. In nineteen forty one, Henry Clay's attempt to

929
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>create a national bank was blocked by philibuster. In the

930
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:33.960
<v Speaker 2>late eighteen hundreds, filibusters increased, often used around civil rights

931
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:39.280
<v Speaker 2>issues in patronage battles, but they were still rare. The

932
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Senate met less frequently. There wasn't a lot to vote on,

933
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.760
<v Speaker 2>and mostly they just voted, and you know, the people

934
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't filibuster that many issues. In nineteen during World War One,

935
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a group of Isolation senators filibuster the bill that would

936
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 2>have armed merchant ships. President Wilson demanded reform. He thought

937
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 2>this was unacceptable, and so they introduced what was called.

938
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:13.280
<v Speaker 1>The cloture rule. And this was a rule that said

939
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 1>that you could cut off debate if two thirds of

940
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the Senate voted to cut the debate off. If two

941
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.760
<v Speaker 1>thirds voted, the debate was cut and they would the

942
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:27.679
<v Speaker 1>issue would go to a vote right. In the thirties through.

943
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:32.280
<v Speaker 2>The nineteen sixties, filibusters became associate with blocking civil rights legislation. Suddenly,

944
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Democrats used it to filibuster to prevent anti lynching bills,

945
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>voting protections, and other civil rights measures. There was even

946
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:45.559
<v Speaker 2>the longest single individual filibuster of the period was Storm

947
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Thurman in nineteen fifty seven, where he spoke straight for

948
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours eighteen minutes against the Civil Rights Act

949
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen fifty seven, and then in nineteen sixty four

950
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>there was a sixty day filibuster where they tried to

951
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 2>derail the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, but

952
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:05.519
<v Speaker 2>ultimately closure two thirds vote was invoked and enough Senators

953
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.880
<v Speaker 2>voted to actually go ahead and vote on a civil

954
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:14.000
<v Speaker 2>rights Act. In nineteen seventy five, there was a decision

955
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.559
<v Speaker 2>made that two thirds was too rigorous of standard, and

956
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.079
<v Speaker 2>it was lowered to sixty votes, two fifths of the

957
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 2>full Senate. They also created a two track system where

958
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.039
<v Speaker 2>you could debate on one bill could continue even if

959
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 2>it's being filibustered while the Senate moved on to other

960
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>business right.

961
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.559
<v Speaker 1>And this is what the modern filibuster is. It no

962
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Speaker 1>longer requires you to non stop talking.

963
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.039
<v Speaker 2>All you have to do really is to threaten a

964
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 2>filibuster that if it comes to vote, you won't let

965
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.559
<v Speaker 2>it because you'll start talking, and that forces a closure vote.

966
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.599
<v Speaker 2>And unless you have sixty votes to force a vote,

967
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.039
<v Speaker 2>you don't even bring a bill to the floor to

968
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 2>be voted on. And that's where we are today. Where

969
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.519
<v Speaker 2>we are today is that the philibuster does become a

970
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.039
<v Speaker 2>standard tool for the minority party to stop anything the

971
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 2>majority wants to pass.

972
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.199
<v Speaker 1>All they have to do is threaten filibusta.

973
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they do speeches, but mostly they just threaten it,

974
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>and then you have to have sixty votes and that's it.

975
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:24.119
<v Speaker 1>That's just accepted normal. Now this has been eroded a

976
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:24.599
<v Speaker 1>little bit.

977
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:29.239
<v Speaker 2>In twenty thirteen, Democrats ended the filibuster for executive branch

978
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 2>nominees and lower court federal judges, be the Supreme courts

979
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:38.480
<v Speaker 2>still required sixty votes. In twenty seventeen, Republicans ended the

980
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>filibustera to the Supreme Court nominees, so it only needs

981
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 2>fifty one vote, and they did that in order to

982
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 2>get Neil Gosich elected.

983
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:46.880
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't going to get sixty.

984
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>So now all presidential nominees only need fifty one, but

985
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 2>almost all other legislation, with the exception of budget reconciliation

986
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.920
<v Speaker 2>we will leave that for another time, need sixty votes

987
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in order to basically pass. Again, not in the constitution,

988
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 2>but a part of the way things run. Now here's

989
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 2>the thing. What this does is it gives the minority

990
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:19.320
<v Speaker 2>party vita power if it can stick together. We show

991
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 2>that it couldn't. The Democrats couldn't stick together with regard

992
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 2>to the government shutdown. But if they can stick together,

993
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:29.039
<v Speaker 2>they can block. If they have if they have forty

994
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.440
<v Speaker 2>one votes, they can block what the majority wants to do.

995
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So it protects the minority rights in the Senate. That's

996
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:41.559
<v Speaker 2>part of the positive. It encourages an attempt for bipartisanship

997
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and it prevents big major swings in the law for

998
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 2>good or for ill. I think the main thing that

999
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.199
<v Speaker 2>it does that I like is to slows things down.

1000
01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:01.119
<v Speaker 2>It forces thought, it forces consideration, forces their empt to

1001
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 2>try to get people from the other party to vote

1002
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:07.360
<v Speaker 2>for it, and it doesn't allow for big ideological swings.

1003
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 1>But of course that's also a problem. You know, it

1004
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:12.639
<v Speaker 1>gives the.

1005
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Minority exaggerated power. We already have a system of checks

1006
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and balances. This adds on to that another check and balance,

1007
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.639
<v Speaker 2>and it gives the video policy you have to have

1008
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 2>sixty votes in the Senate to do anything. It paralyzes

1009
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Congress in the end. At the Senate level, the House

1010
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:34.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have anything like this. And it said vises good luck,

1011
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:41.880
<v Speaker 2>which I'm for generally good luck and partisanship, you know,

1012
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>which I'm against tribalism. And this is the problem that

1013
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.440
<v Speaker 2>when you want to do good things, it slows them

1014
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:54.280
<v Speaker 2>down and stops them.

1015
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:55.679
<v Speaker 1>It makes it impossible.

1016
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.519
<v Speaker 2>So, for example, if today on energy for example, or

1017
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:03.440
<v Speaker 2>environmental regulation, the administration would like to pass bills in

1018
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the Senate they would actually dramatically reduce regulation of environment

1019
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 2>and actually liberalize economy and really make dramatic changes in

1020
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the world in which we live. It can't do it

1021
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 2>without getting significant democratic vote votes, and we know the

1022
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 2>significant of democratic votes are not forthcoming. So change for

1023
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 2>the positive is basically halted.

1024
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:30.559
<v Speaker 1>It stopped now. It also prevents a lot of bad

1025
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.639
<v Speaker 1>stuff from happening. Who knows what this administration would like

1026
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to pass in terms of voting, in terms of you know,

1027
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:41.360
<v Speaker 1>election rules, in terms of immigration, in terms of a

1028
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of other things that I think are dangerous and problematic.

1029
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 1>And what if the Democrats, as when they at Obama

1030
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 1>had the White House, the Senate, and the House, they

1031
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.079
<v Speaker 1>could have passed all kinds of things socialized healthcare and

1032
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Medicare for all with just fifty one votes. So I

1033
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.119
<v Speaker 1>have to admit torn I'd like the good legislation to

1034
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 1>only require fifty one votes and the bad legislation require sixty.

1035
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to slow down any negative bad legislation. On

1036
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.599
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, people should get what they vote for,

1037
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and if people vote for.

1038
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.159
<v Speaker 2>For political power, for political party to have the House

1039
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:27.360
<v Speaker 2>of Senate, to end the White House, maybe they should

1040
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.000
<v Speaker 2>be allowed a free fall to pass whatever they can pass.

1041
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 2>So I'm tone, I'm not, you know, I don't fall

1042
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.440
<v Speaker 2>clearly on one side of the other. It's frustrating when

1043
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.920
<v Speaker 2>there's some good bills they never pass. For example, I

1044
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.719
<v Speaker 2>think they're going to be some bills on the table

1045
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.639
<v Speaker 2>which expand dramatically expand health saving accounts, which I think

1046
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.599
<v Speaker 2>would be really good. I don't think it can pass

1047
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the Senate because I'm not sure they can get the Democratic.

1048
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Votes to get it passed. It would be great to

1049
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:00.280
<v Speaker 1>pass that on fifty one votes. Environmental deregulations, some of

1050
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the some of the energy regulations that we want to

1051
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.599
<v Speaker 1>permanently get rid of, which would be really, really good.

1052
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:10.519
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1053
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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I'm not sure certainly this administration cannot get

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01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Democratic votes for it. We're in a position where Democrats

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01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.079
<v Speaker 2>can't get Republicans to vote with them, and Republicans can't

1056
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:23.719
<v Speaker 2>get Democrats to vote for them, you know, except when

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01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.239
<v Speaker 2>it's for expanding government and then and then the parties

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01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:26.719
<v Speaker 2>come together.

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01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 1>But for shrinking government, you can't get the parties together.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is, it is a quandary. I don't.

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01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't come down clearly on one side of the other.

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01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.760
<v Speaker 2>As I've always said, I like gridlock because I worry

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01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:48.280
<v Speaker 2>that almost every any administration, including this one, is going

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01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 2>to pass more bad things and good things, more bad

1065
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:58.159
<v Speaker 2>things and good things. And it's a shame that we

1066
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.280
<v Speaker 2>don't get the good things, but it's good we don't

1067
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 2>get the bad things. So I'm mildly pro filibuster, but

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01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm also you know, people voted.

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01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.079
<v Speaker 1>For all this bad stuff. Let him have it, just

1070
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like the tariffs. They got the tariffs. Now they're holding

1071
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the back.

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01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, suffer the consequences of your actions. Voting matters,

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01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:22.960
<v Speaker 2>you know. The best way to prevent this is is

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01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 2>a kind of divided government. But of course, if you

1075
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.559
<v Speaker 2>have divided government, it's like a filibuster. You're never going

1076
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:32.599
<v Speaker 2>to get the good legislation. So sadly, in the world

1077
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:34.440
<v Speaker 2>in which we live, there's no way to get the

1078
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:39.960
<v Speaker 2>good stuff without getting the bad stuff as well, and

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01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 2>filibuster is an example of that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do away with it, you get both. If

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01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.079
<v Speaker 1>you don't do away with it, you don't get the

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01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:48.960
<v Speaker 1>good stuff. So I'm torn.

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01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not clear to me which side is better, but

1084
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:58.679
<v Speaker 2>generally I tend towards, you know, divided governments and not

1085
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 2>getting a lot done, because I worry about the downside

1086
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:06.239
<v Speaker 2>more than about losing out on the upside. In the

1087
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 2>case of politics. In every other aspect of life that's

1088
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.559
<v Speaker 2>not the case. So I'm probably still for the filibuster

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01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:14.880
<v Speaker 2>in spite of the fact that a lot of things

1090
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that I'd like to pass are not going to pass.

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01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.199
<v Speaker 2>All right, Two quick stories, and then I'll go to

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01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:22.920
<v Speaker 2>your questions. I know we've got a lot of questions,

1093
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and I do have a hard stops. If because of

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01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the hard stop, I have to delay some questions the

1095
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.840
<v Speaker 2>next show, I apologize, but I'll I'll do the questions

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01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:34.599
<v Speaker 2>in the next show. I answer all questions. I won't

1097
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:40.679
<v Speaker 2>lose them. Don't worry all right quickly. Jeffrey Epstein Epstein,

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01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.559
<v Speaker 2>This is still ongoing right now. Congress is going to

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01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:52.480
<v Speaker 2>vote on releasing Jeffrey Epstein's content. There's a majority, I

1100
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:55.280
<v Speaker 2>think it now's a representative for this to pass. There's

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01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.199
<v Speaker 2>probably a majority in the center for this to pass.

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01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.760
<v Speaker 2>The Democrats will vote for it, and a number of

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01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Tobeicans and actually a significant amou of Republicans will probably

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01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:03.639
<v Speaker 2>vote for it.

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01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Trump tried to stop it.

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01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.519
<v Speaker 2>He tried to convince law and Bob It, the congresswoman

1107
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 2>from Colorado, to vote against releasing the Jeffrey Epstein.

1108
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.119
<v Speaker 1>It didn't go well. She insisted on voting for it.

1109
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 2>So there was a there was a procedural vote in

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01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the House to allow us to come to a vote.

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01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's going to come to a vote, and yeah,

1112
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.480
<v Speaker 2>expect to see a lot of Jeffrey Epstein files hitting

1113
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the news. Of course, some Epstein files have already been released.

1114
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:40.480
<v Speaker 2>They raise even more suspicions about Trump's relationship with Epstein.

1115
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Nothing is clear, nothing is obvious, but they just just

1116
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the language of them and the way they're phrased. These

1117
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:52.280
<v Speaker 2>emails that Jeffrey Epstein wrote about Trump suggest that maybe

1118
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump was more involved in what Jeffy Epstein was doing

1119
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 2>with young girls than would be we would believe, we

1120
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.960
<v Speaker 2>were led to believe. Also, Maga seems to be shifting

1121
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in positions from pedophelia to well, maybe having sex with

1122
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:12.960
<v Speaker 2>teenage girls is not pedophelia. Maybe that suggests that there's

1123
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot more about what Trump was doing than anybody

1124
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:20.840
<v Speaker 2>wants to admit. Anyway, Trump is responding to this by

1125
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 2>being very defensive, as he always is, and by going

1126
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.439
<v Speaker 2>in the attack, which he always does. So Trump has

1127
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 2>basically told the Department of Justice to start probing the

1128
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:38.840
<v Speaker 2>relationship between Epstein and Epstein and Bill Killington, so go

1129
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:44.159
<v Speaker 2>after democrats. So basically, Trump's viewers, if Jeffrey Epstein is

1130
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.039
<v Speaker 2>going to bring me down, he's going to bring down

1131
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:47.319
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of Democrats as well.

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01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:49.079
<v Speaker 1>So I'm all for this.

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01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Let's get them all out. Let's get it all out

1134
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.399
<v Speaker 2>in the open. Let's release everything. I don't understand what

1135
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:58.079
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been released already. Let's release everything. Let's figure out

1136
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:02.239
<v Speaker 2>who did what and when and if that means ending

1137
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:07.479
<v Speaker 2>the political careers of a bunch of people, Democrats, Republicans, whatever, Fine,

1138
01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm all for that.

1139
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get it out there. Let's get it all

1140
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:12.920
<v Speaker 1>out there.

1141
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:17.359
<v Speaker 2>It's sad that Trump is saying go after Clinton rather

1142
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:21.039
<v Speaker 2>than just you don't go after anybody who deserves to

1143
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:23.039
<v Speaker 2>go after given the facts.

1144
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.119
<v Speaker 1>That's not how Trump operates.

1145
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.920
<v Speaker 2>But we will get a lot more Jeffrey Epstein emails

1146
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. And it does turn out, just by the

1147
01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:35.520
<v Speaker 2>emails that already be released, that a lot of the

1148
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Speaker 2>rich and powerful people who politicians and businessmen who were

1149
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:46.039
<v Speaker 2>associated with Jeffrey Epstein did not count to what they say,

1150
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:52.199
<v Speaker 2>did not disengage from him, even after the allegations about

1151
01:09:52.319 --> 01:10:00.520
<v Speaker 2>his activities his Peterphelly activities became public. So this continued,

1152
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and uh, yeah, I mean, there's still a story there.

1153
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:07.720
<v Speaker 2>And it does look like we'll know more because Congress

1154
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.279
<v Speaker 2>is going to force the release of these files and

1155
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:15.399
<v Speaker 2>if Trump is if it's a problem for Trump, It'll

1156
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.359
<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see how Maga responses, because Maggot's pushing

1157
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:20.079
<v Speaker 2>for the release of the files. But then if they

1158
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:23.720
<v Speaker 2>come back as as Trump was did bad stuff, what

1159
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:24.359
<v Speaker 2>are they gonna do?

1160
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Are they gonna turn against Trump or not.

1161
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Finally, just to just to point out that because I

1162
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:34.000
<v Speaker 2>did say in a past show, I think that the

1163
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:40.079
<v Speaker 2>gerald Ford aircraft carrier UH was was delayed in arriving

1164
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.319
<v Speaker 2>at the Caribbean, and maybe Trump was backing off going

1165
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.359
<v Speaker 2>to war with Venezuela and going to war with the cartels.

1166
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.359
<v Speaker 2>It turns out that no, it's now in the southern Caribbean.

1167
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:54.680
<v Speaker 2>It has joined the other forces in this in the Caribbean,

1168
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:57.079
<v Speaker 2>it is off the shows of Venezuela. This is the

1169
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.560
<v Speaker 2>largest if this is the largest aircraft carrier in the

1170
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:02.880
<v Speaker 2>American fleet, the largest aircraft carrier in the world.

1171
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:06.479
<v Speaker 1>I think, incredibly powerful war machine.

1172
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I think this is just an increased pressure on Maduro

1173
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:14.199
<v Speaker 2>and to try to get him out of Venezuela, to

1174
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:18.279
<v Speaker 2>get regime changed without a war. But it is also

1175
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:20.920
<v Speaker 2>an indication that America is willing to go I guess

1176
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:27.279
<v Speaker 2>to violent action. The US is continuing to blow ships

1177
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:31.159
<v Speaker 2>out of the water for who knows what reason, killing

1178
01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:35.039
<v Speaker 2>people without any trial, without jury, without any kind of

1179
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.159
<v Speaker 2>legal framework to justify it, without a declaration of war,

1180
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 2>without anything.

1181
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Really, it's truly astounding that.

1182
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.359
<v Speaker 2>This is allowed to continue, that nobody is outraged by

1183
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.520
<v Speaker 2>the fact that the United States is just killing people

1184
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:50.960
<v Speaker 2>in the Caribbean Sea through the discretion of I guess

1185
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:52.520
<v Speaker 2>military commanders.

1186
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:55.720
<v Speaker 1>And you know.

1187
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:59.199
<v Speaker 2>And now there are murmurs of we're going to launch

1188
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.119
<v Speaker 2>at tax inside Mexico, We're going to go after cartels

1189
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:05.800
<v Speaker 2>wherever they are, which I think is just just horrific.

1190
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the solution of the drug war or the

1191
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.880
<v Speaker 2>drugs is not war with the cartels. The solution of

1192
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the drugs again is to legalize them and let local

1193
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.880
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement take care of them. And if the United

1194
01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:21.079
<v Speaker 2>States can help local law enforcement contain the violence.

1195
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Then so be it.

1196
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:26.479
<v Speaker 2>But get rid of the violence in the United States.

1197
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:31.119
<v Speaker 2>It is not through a war in Mexico and the

1198
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:31.439
<v Speaker 2>rest of.

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01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:32.079
<v Speaker 1>The Latin America.

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01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:35.079
<v Speaker 2>That will be a topic we will be discussing more

1201
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:40.279
<v Speaker 2>as developments in the Caribbean Sea. As things develop in

1202
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:47.439
<v Speaker 2>the Caribbean Sea, all right, let's let's not send to

1203
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:54.880
<v Speaker 2>your questions, you know, so we've got quite a few questions,

1204
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.199
<v Speaker 2>so that is in use for fighting November fourteenth.

1205
01:12:57.640 --> 01:12:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Again, thank you for joining me. Thank you for all the.

1206
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:03.239
<v Speaker 2>People who did stickers, primarily Troy who did five hundred

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01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Australian dollars.

1208
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Think you think you?

1209
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thanks so Jack for a sticker, and thank

1210
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:08.439
<v Speaker 2>you John for the sticker, and thank you to all

1211
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:11.479
<v Speaker 2>the other sticker providers that can think before.

1212
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Normative randroid as well. I don't think I think that before,

1213
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.880
<v Speaker 1>but especially as I said to Troy, we got a

1214
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of twenty dollars questions, so we're going to start

1215
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.880
<v Speaker 1>with those and then with over time we have left,

1216
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll do the five to ten dollars questions and if

1217
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:29.319
<v Speaker 1>there's anything left after that, I have a hard stop

1218
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:30.199
<v Speaker 1>in forty five minutes.

1219
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.239
<v Speaker 2>We will take them up on the next show, which

1220
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:37.520
<v Speaker 2>will be on Sunday. We'll do a show on Sunday

1221
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:45.159
<v Speaker 2>and we'll cover those all, right, nanjavij algithm. Psychopaths a

1222
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.159
<v Speaker 2>very small and number in modern society. But during the

1223
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Dark Ages, wasn't most everyone a psychopath? People slaughtered each

1224
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 2>other on the regular with no remorse zero Some thinking

1225
01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.279
<v Speaker 2>turns us into monsters. Yeah, I mean, I don't know

1226
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.760
<v Speaker 2>what psychopaths exactly means. I mean, to be a psychopath,

1227
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I think is a clinical psychological diagnosis. I don't think

1228
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:10.960
<v Speaker 2>slaughtering and murdering people in the makes you a psychopath.

1229
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:14.439
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know it's a psychological term. I'm not

1230
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:18.159
<v Speaker 2>a psychologist. I don't like the diagnosed people with those

1231
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:25.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of things. It is true that in modern times, killing, slaughtering, raping,

1232
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>pillaging is pretty much unaccepted in civilized society. Now, note

1233
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that there are plenty of people at our universities who

1234
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:39.760
<v Speaker 2>believe that killing, raping, burning people alive, torturing them is

1235
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:45.319
<v Speaker 2>completely okay if you're the so called oppressed. If you're

1236
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:50.880
<v Speaker 2>a Palestinian and the people you are killing are you know,

1237
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Israeli is a Jews. So even in a civilized society,

1238
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.680
<v Speaker 2>while people might not do it the things, they are

1239
01:14:58.720 --> 01:14:59.800
<v Speaker 2>willing to support them.

1240
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Because of an ideology.

1241
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Now, and note that these Palestinians, the Gazans who did

1242
01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:13.920
<v Speaker 2>this were behaving like Middle Ages Europeans. So the number

1243
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.479
<v Speaker 2>of people engaging in slaughter, the number of people willing

1244
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.800
<v Speaker 2>to engage in slaughter. The number of people capable of

1245
01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:24.359
<v Speaker 2>great pillage and slaughter is dependent on the state of civilization.

1246
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:29.039
<v Speaker 1>The more civilized the place, the less the fewer people

1247
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:34.039
<v Speaker 1>they are who are willing to kill, the more barbarica place.

1248
01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:37.479
<v Speaker 1>And and here barbarism and civilization has more to do

1249
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:41.840
<v Speaker 1>with the ideas than anything else, the less slaughter there is.

1250
01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's the book Better.

1251
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Better, Angels of Our Nature about by Stephen Pinka about

1252
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:56.199
<v Speaker 2>the level of violence and society over time, and he

1253
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:01.720
<v Speaker 2>shows quite dramatically how over time violence has declined dramatically

1254
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.520
<v Speaker 2>in the Western world as we became more civilized, which

1255
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:10.399
<v Speaker 2>means as we gain more respect for reason and for

1256
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.079
<v Speaker 2>individualism and for the sanctity of life. And that when

1257
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:18.760
<v Speaker 2>we were mystics and collectivists and tribalists, violence was all

1258
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:23.239
<v Speaker 2>the rage. I don't like labeling it a psychological issue

1259
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:24.800
<v Speaker 2>rather than a philosophical one.

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<v Speaker 1>Ideas shape human behavior at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>When we embrace barbaric ideas, we become barbarians. When we

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<v Speaker 2>embrace civilized ideas, we become civilized. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>quite that simple, but that's a principle. Ian great performance

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<v Speaker 2>at the web debate and good for doctor web debate.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my debate.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a debate yesterday as human socialism and capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>and good for doctor Mossov. Do you know if doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Marsov regrets his support for Trump in twenty twenty four election.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I haven't talked to him, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he still views he still views Kamala as

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<v Speaker 2>a worst choice, particularly on the issue that swayed him,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the issue of Israel, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there are other issues in which also supported his

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<v Speaker 2>support for Trump. But next time we have Adam on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, we can certainly ask him about that, or

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<v Speaker 2>you can ask him about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think. I don't think he regrets it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if that's not true, then he will come on

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<v Speaker 1>the show and tell us otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Peb says, I was honored to have m Thatcher, Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>Thatcher speak at my nineteen ninety six commencement. Cool She

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<v Speaker 2>spoke on China, the West and capitalism, saying it would

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<v Speaker 2>bring democracy to China.

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<v Speaker 1>By voting with dollars. She was right or was she right?

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<v Speaker 1>And what was she missing? Well, what she was missing

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<v Speaker 1>I think was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the willingness of the Chinese regime to engage in

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<v Speaker 2>self preservation, which I think was what happened with she

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid twenty teens, where he clamped down on

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<v Speaker 2>economic freedom in order to preserve the authoritary nature of

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<v Speaker 2>the regime. She was one of the reasons he did

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<v Speaker 2>that was because she was right, was because that the

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<v Speaker 2>free markets were moving Chinese to demand more political freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw that in the post COVID era as well,

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<v Speaker 2>with the demonstrations against the shutdowns, the lockdowns. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think she saw the willingness of Chinese government to continue that. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I think she overestimated the power of capital, of I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what you call it, of markets free of

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<v Speaker 2>real philosophical ideas. To actually liberate liberate the people, the

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese are going to have to fight for their freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to have to fight for their liberty. I

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<v Speaker 2>truly believe that one there will be another Tannerman Square

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<v Speaker 2>and the Chinese people will have to fight back. And

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, they're gonna have to believe in liberty

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<v Speaker 2>and freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>To do that, they're gonna have to be armed with

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<v Speaker 1>real ideas, not just I want to make more money

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<v Speaker 1>and not that that's bad. Right, wanted to make more

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01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:21.880
<v Speaker 1>money is good. They need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Understand the relationship between political freedom and economic freedom, and

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01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:28.079
<v Speaker 2>they need to demand political freedom and they need to

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<v Speaker 2>be willing to fight back for it. They want a

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<v Speaker 2>Tennerman Square. I mean, they showed incredibly courage. Once the

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01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:39.079
<v Speaker 2>shooting started, they were gone. And partially of it is

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<v Speaker 2>because of the overwhelming force. It has to be the

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<v Speaker 2>case that elements within the military will stand up to

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<v Speaker 2>the regime and support the protesters or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think she will be right.

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<v Speaker 2>In the very long term, or China will descend into poverty,

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<v Speaker 2>into tlitarianism again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the.

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<v Speaker 2>Attempt to balance economic freedom with authoritarian regime is not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sustainable even either move towards more freedom or towards significant

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<v Speaker 1>less freedom. And right now we're moving towards less freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether that is the path or whether that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to change.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, a lot of people said, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Tom, I show that there was a possibility

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<v Speaker 2>that she was out and in October when the Communist

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01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Party meets, they might kick him out. That did not happen.

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<v Speaker 2>She has only consolidated his power further. Does not bode well,

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<v Speaker 2>for at least the short medium term for China Harper Campbell,

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<v Speaker 2>while Ma'm donnie one on the same ballot, measures were

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<v Speaker 2>passed deregulating housing development in New York City. Will the

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<v Speaker 2>future of the mixed economy be greater deregulation while simultaneously

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<v Speaker 2>growing welfare systems? Well, here's the thing that is not

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<v Speaker 2>very much reported. Mam Donny supported the deregulation. That is,

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01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:02.199
<v Speaker 2>mum Donny supported leading housing. He ran on a platform

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<v Speaker 2>that both encouraged rent control and at the same time

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01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:11.600
<v Speaker 2>encouraged deregulation the building of housing, so greater housing supply.

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<v Speaker 2>He is, you know, supposedly part of the YIMBI, you know, yes,

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01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:20.960
<v Speaker 2>in my backyard, kind of the pro pro housing growth

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<v Speaker 2>part of the left.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look at the Danish model, the

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01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Nordic model that they admire so much that the left

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01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.239
<v Speaker 2>today thinks is the ultimate model, that model is basically

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<v Speaker 2>a model of less regulation, significantly deregulation, and much more

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01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:44.479
<v Speaker 2>or much more efficient effective depending on you know, effective

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01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>for the goal, right, not effective in a big scheme

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01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:55.079
<v Speaker 2>of things, but welfare state, So yes, I expect more

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01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 2>redistribution and potentially less regulation. Particularly when it comes to housing.

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<v Speaker 2>There seems to be a consensus building that housing needs

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01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.600
<v Speaker 2>to be deregulated, and even the left, even the socialist left.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy I debated yesterday was very very pro deregulating housing,

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01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and and and some of the new

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01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:19.439
<v Speaker 2>housing should be built by the state, but some of

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01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.479
<v Speaker 2>it should be private industry. And but deregulation was the

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01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:29.640
<v Speaker 2>theme housing, not I don't know anything else, Andrew. Do

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01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you think Tuka has a massive inferiority complex. He's often

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01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.800
<v Speaker 2>concerned the Jews don't see themselves as better than him.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does he care? Rand did imply that too, He's

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01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.920
<v Speaker 1>evil flowed from feeling of inferiority. Look, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to to be psychological motivations because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a psychologist. I've said I've told you this many times, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I mean, Tucker comes from a

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy family. He very much has a almost as acratic bearing,

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01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:03.479
<v Speaker 2>an aristocratic perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>He really considers himself better than everybody else. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that he is offended by the fact the Jews, of

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<v Speaker 1>all people, are maybe in some cases, most successful, richer

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01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and have entered that part of society which they used

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<v Speaker 1>to be banned.

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<v Speaker 2>From in the early part of the twentieth century and

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01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century. But I don't know what ultimately drives it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question I think that much adoption of evil

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01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:34.119
<v Speaker 2>ideas is driven by lack of self esteem.

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<v Speaker 1>But look, at the end of the day, it's lack

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01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>of thinking. It is evasion.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the psychological motivation for that, usually inferiority

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01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.199
<v Speaker 2>or lack of self esteem, but I don't know.

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01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:48.439
<v Speaker 1>It just could be a choice.

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01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.479
<v Speaker 2>It could be a certain tradition, it could be I

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01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.560
<v Speaker 2>don't know what he is adopting, but it's very well

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01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:05.199
<v Speaker 2>could be lack of self esteem. Adam says, I never

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<v Speaker 2>heard you mention that the current state of US culture

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<v Speaker 2>is a manifest consequence of the mass disminding of young

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<v Speaker 2>Americans under the worst anti philosophy of education.

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<v Speaker 1>Have I missed something now? I think I say it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, I talk about it all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, the.

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<v Speaker 2>State of American culture, the state of American youth is

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<v Speaker 2>a consequence of the fact that they've been taught to

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01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>emote and not to think. Now, that's disminding. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the essence of what disminding is. I don't use that term.

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<v Speaker 2>Diminding is not a term in my vocabulary. It's in yours, Atam,

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<v Speaker 2>and you brought it up many times on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do emphasize over and over and over again

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<v Speaker 1>that what the American educational system, progressive education in particular,

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01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:50.399
<v Speaker 1>but generally the American educational system does is it emphasizes emotion,

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01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:56.399
<v Speaker 1>it emphasizes socialization, and de emphasizes thinking and thinking skills.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the consequence of that is the anti

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01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>conceptual mentality that is dominant both the left and the

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01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>right today, the unthinking ideologies and.

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01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Therefore the unthinking, mal educated people around us attracted to them.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, it looks like Lincoln has submitted a full

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<v Speaker 2>part question, So let's read through this and see any

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<v Speaker 2>advice on someone in undergraduate trying to go to the

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01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:38.319
<v Speaker 2>intellectual public policy academic route throughout career wise. I initially

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01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>assumed I'd go into into finance, but fixing the garbage

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01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:48.159
<v Speaker 2>in that universe in the universities and think tanks is needed.

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<v Speaker 1>For reference, I don't know what that means. Lincoln, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it's needed, But what has that to do with you? Right,

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01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's needed, does that mean you need to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>For reference, I'm currently in an honors student at the

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01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:10.720
<v Speaker 2>University of Arizona's Philosophy, Politics, and Economics program.

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01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:13.079
<v Speaker 1>That's a good program on the pre law track.

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01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty smart top five percent sat Schoolles, who could

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01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:19.159
<v Speaker 2>probably get into any grad program.

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01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Or law program short of Yale or Harvard.

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01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to pursue economic and economics masters alongside my JD,

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01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps even an ECON PhD, but I'm not sure

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01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:38.319
<v Speaker 2>where's where to study. Most ECON program programs are anti

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01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:42.239
<v Speaker 2>market without with the exception of George Mason. Given I

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01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.560
<v Speaker 2>come from a comfortable family, Tuition costs, you know, the

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01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:54.319
<v Speaker 2>lower salaries compared to finance an issue. Since tuition costs

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01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>well maybe a non an issue. Can't tell if there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Since you've gone through both academia and AORI. What's your

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01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.119
<v Speaker 2>advice at entering this world. Well, first, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that your motivation is right.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to do what you what your values dictate,

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01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:13.359
<v Speaker 1>that is what you're gonna enjoy doing. This is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be your career. It's gonna we will spend most of

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01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>your time. So don't go into I don't know, into

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01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 1>ref into think tank world or the intellectual world because

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01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it's needed. Go into it because you're passionate about.

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01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>It and you really want to do the work, and

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01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you think you'll really enjoy it, and you think this

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01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:38.079
<v Speaker 2>is where you will be happy spending most of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you've decided, you really decided you want to

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01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:46.159
<v Speaker 2>go into economics and you want to get to a

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01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>law degree in economic degree, I do actually think Judge

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01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Mason is a is a great place to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're gonna struggle with the temptation. Judge Mason University

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01:27:57.640 --> 01:27:58.039
<v Speaker 1>is very good.

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<v Speaker 2>The economics department is very good at convincing people that

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<v Speaker 2>anarchy is the right political system.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna have to fight that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be difficult because their professors are very

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<v Speaker 2>very smart and they make the best arguments possible for anarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more objectivism you know going into that program,

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01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the more you'll be able to resist the temptation to

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01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>be absorbed by it. You could also go to Clemson,

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01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:24.159
<v Speaker 2>which has a decent econ department, I don't remember if

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01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.680
<v Speaker 2>they do a PhDs. Judge Mason, they do, and they

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01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:29.920
<v Speaker 2>have a decent law school where for example, Adam Mosov

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01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>teaches in their law school. So they've got a decent

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01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>law school in a good economics department. So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good place to go at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you have the PhD in economics, then you can

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<v Speaker 2>decide do I want to be an academic and go

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<v Speaker 2>and teach and or do I want to come to

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<v Speaker 2>the Ironman Institute. And maybe at that point in the

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<v Speaker 2>iron Man University they'll be a demand for somebody to

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01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:58.399
<v Speaker 2>teach economics. I know today there is some demand for

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01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:01.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody to come in and teach economics and become a

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<v Speaker 2>professor at the Iran Institute.

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<v Speaker 1>So one thing I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would encourage you to do, and I can't remember if

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01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you're already doing this or not. One thing I'd encourage

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01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:11.439
<v Speaker 2>you to do Lincoln is take as many classes as

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01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>you can at the ARU from AARI, take as many

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01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.319
<v Speaker 2>classes as you can. Let them know that you want

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01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:22.239
<v Speaker 2>to become an intellectual, so that they give you kind

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01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:27.399
<v Speaker 2>of a put you on an accelerated track. You don't

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01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:31.039
<v Speaker 2>get involved with all of the undergraduate and graduate programs

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01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>at the Iron Ran Institute. Why you're getting your PhD

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01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in economics, even if it slows you down, do not

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01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:41.560
<v Speaker 2>stop taking classes from the institute. Keep taking classes at

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01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the ARU, Keep stay.

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01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Involved with the I with ARU because it will it

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01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:52.239
<v Speaker 1>will give you an It will give you it will

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01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:57.119
<v Speaker 1>help you resist kind of many of the arguments and

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01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>give you the tools to argue back against ag amount

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01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.079
<v Speaker 1>your professors will make. And it will give you an

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01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>opening once you graduate with that PhD to come and

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01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:08.119
<v Speaker 1>work at AARU. But that's what we're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>We're looking for people who have PhDs in economics and

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01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:13.439
<v Speaker 2>really no economics to come and teach today?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you? And and also no objectivism? Right importantly, no

1494
01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:20.479
<v Speaker 1>economics and no objectivism to come and teach today? Are you?

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01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So absolutely.

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01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, go and and I see no problem in

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01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>pursuing that track if that's really what you want to

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01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:34.159
<v Speaker 2>do versus the finance career you seem to have wanted originally.

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<v Speaker 2>So figure out what you really want to do it

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01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and go and do it, and the institute will create

1501
01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>opportunities for you to become an intellectual within the objectivist world.

1502
01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Once you have a PhD.

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01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>There won't be any problem if you're a PhD and

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01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>an objectivist, They're going to be lots of opportunities for you.

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01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Lincoln continues your point on debunking the housing meme. Gave

1506
01:30:56.399 --> 01:31:01.359
<v Speaker 2>me an idea for you to make its own show.

1507
01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:05.239
<v Speaker 2>The idea that life was beat in the fifties eighties

1508
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:09.479
<v Speaker 2>is very common, with wage stagnation since nineteen seventy one

1509
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and affordable fifties housing being related. Yeah, I mean, I've

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01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>talked about that many many times on the show. I

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01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:19.119
<v Speaker 2>could do a whole show just debunking that, you know, absolutely,

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01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, all right, nicokap, could you make a show

1513
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.399
<v Speaker 2>about your favorite composers and their best pieces? Yeah, I'll

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01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>probably do it as a member's only show. So I'm

1515
01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:35.079
<v Speaker 2>glad to see you a member. That's a good idea

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01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>for the next member's only show. Thomas, where does the

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01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>claim that logic leads to authoritarianism come from? Peacock raises

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01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>this phnominous parallels too. How did logic get tied to apathy?

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01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure why apathy.

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01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I assume you've seen How did logic get tied to authoritarianism?

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01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it goes in a sense all.

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01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.880
<v Speaker 2>The way back to Plato, though Plato never used the

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01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>term I don't think used the term logic in this context.

1524
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>But the idea is that, you know, logic, reason, rationality,

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01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>only some people have access to that, or let's say,

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01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.479
<v Speaker 2>really really smart people can do that much better than

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01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:17.199
<v Speaker 2>the rest of us, and therefore those people should guide

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01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>our lives.

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01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>We are not very rational, we are weak, we are

1530
01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>not that smart.

1531
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:26.119
<v Speaker 2>We should let smart people make decisions for us because

1532
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:29.119
<v Speaker 2>they'll make better decisions for us, because we can't sustain

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01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>our lives. So that's I think where it comes from.

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01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>It comes to this idea that logic, reason, rationality qualities

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01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>that are associate with intelligence, and since most people are

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01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>not intelligent enough to really to live up to that,

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01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, execute on logic and all of that, that

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01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>we need. We need guides, We need authorities to tell

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01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>us how to live and what to do. I think

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01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>that's a connection. Jonathan, thank you Adam for quitting heritage

1541
01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>great shows lately.

1542
01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>You're on. Thank you, Jonathan appreciated.

1543
01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan continues, You're on Brook as the James Brown of philosophy,

1544
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.319
<v Speaker 2>the hottest working man in show business.

1545
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:19.399
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you, thank you, Liam.

1546
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Ironic when Bill O'Reilly is the only major Republican to

1547
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:25.439
<v Speaker 2>come out and condemn Tucker and Candice Owen.

1548
01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Bill O'Reilly did that? All right?

1549
01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly my nemesis from the two thousands. It's gonna

1550
01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:37.039
<v Speaker 2>know he's still around, Harper Campbell. Since Goldwater? Did the

1551
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Conservatives typically place the capitalism before the Christianity. Now it's

1552
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the other way around. No, I mean, Conservatives never placed

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01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the capitalism before the Christianity. And indeed they've never been capitalist.

1554
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And this is why conservatives, I mean, what government has

1555
01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>been conservative since?

1556
01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>What government has been po capitalist? Since Goldwater?

1557
01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe, arguably for short period of time Reagan

1558
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you could argue, at least verbally and in terms of

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01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>rate of growth of spending, non military spending was very.

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01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Low, and there was some deregulation.

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01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>But overall Conservatives have not been stringent advocates for capitalism.

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01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.479
<v Speaker 2>It's always been weak. Now it's completely gone, that is

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01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:21.479
<v Speaker 2>the difference. Now it's completely gone.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were never.

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01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Never placed a beg emphasis in capitalism and whatever capitalism

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<v Speaker 2>there were, as Irvin Crystal would say, we'll give it

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01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>two cheers, and Michael Novak one cheer, So even the

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<v Speaker 2>most animate conservatives would only give capitalism to or even

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01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:43.199
<v Speaker 2>one cheer, whereas they give Christianity three cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so yeah, it was always Christianity first, James.

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<v Speaker 1>It is?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like the Supreme Court will throw out the

1573
01:34:55.640 --> 01:34:57.760
<v Speaker 2>tariffs before the end of the year. Well, the stock

1574
01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.079
<v Speaker 2>market boom. I think the Servian Court rule throughout the tariffs.

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01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:04.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about the timing. I haven't looked into it,

1576
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>but it's likely I think before the end of the year.

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01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I shouldn't say that because I'm not sure. Will

1578
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the stock market boom? I don't know, because the stock

1579
01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:18.479
<v Speaker 2>market has so much positive already priced in, and it's

1580
01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>already pricing I think a significant weakening of tariffs if

1581
01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>nothing else. And also remember Trump won't give up on tariffs.

1582
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:31.359
<v Speaker 2>He'll just use another statute to increase them. This is

1583
01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:34.840
<v Speaker 2>a cornerstone of his agenda. So I don't know if

1584
01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the stock market will boom. I don't like to make

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01:35:36.520 --> 01:35:42.439
<v Speaker 2>stock market predictions rue downs. I know from personal experience

1586
01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the new listeners find you by commenting about find you

1587
01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:48.880
<v Speaker 2>by commenting.

1588
01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>On conservatives and leftists. They need to hear a new perspective.

1589
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's my commenting on conservatives and leftists that causes

1590
01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>them to find me. Yeah, I'm going to continue. I'm

1591
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>going to continue. And I agree they need to hear

1592
01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:09.359
<v Speaker 2>a new perspective. And they're out there and and and

1593
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they're listening, and hopefully, hopefully we will sway some of them. Lincoln,

1594
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>thank you for the sticker. Stephen Harper, thank you for

1595
01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:25.399
<v Speaker 2>the sticker. Appreciate it. Michael, I think Alex Epstein should

1596
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of the conpolitical climate and create an Epstein

1597
01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:33.159
<v Speaker 2>file that gets captured by Google searchers but directs people

1598
01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:34.079
<v Speaker 2>to his website.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know that's meant to be funny and

1600
01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it's on, but but you have.

1601
01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>To be really careful because people people like because of

1602
01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:46.479
<v Speaker 2>the similarities name you do not want to be lumped together,

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01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, particularly in the kind of environment that we live.

1604
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Right now, not your average algorithm.

1605
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Did you see Alun musk response to critics of his

1606
01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:01.720
<v Speaker 2>trillion dollar pay package. He was practically citing, yeah, reciting

1607
01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Golts Golts a speech. Yeah, I mean there was strong

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01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>elements of iron Rand in that, and of course Elon

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01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Musk is red iron Rand. And is in the past

1610
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:14.119
<v Speaker 2>quoted iron Rand and quoted out Shrugged. So it was

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01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. It was pretty good.

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01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:21.119
<v Speaker 1>And he's absolutely right and good fair Lawn.

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01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, as I've said in the past, Elan is

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01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>infuriating because you know, you love him one day and

1615
01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:27.600
<v Speaker 2>you hate him the next.

1616
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:31.760
<v Speaker 1>And he's a complete he creates complete whiplash. Right.

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01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:35.279
<v Speaker 2>He says great stuff and you go, oh, this is fantastic,

1618
01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.079
<v Speaker 2>and he says awful stuff, and oh my god, what

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01:37:37.199 --> 01:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>do you say? You know, so you know, he's he's

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01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:42.279
<v Speaker 2>all over the place, and he does not have a

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01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>consistent base, a consistent ideology, a consistent frame of consistent principles.

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01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:50.399
<v Speaker 1>I wish he did. The world would be much much

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01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>better if he did. Hawpa Campbell.

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01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you get the highest super Chat revenue of any

1625
01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:01.359
<v Speaker 2>podcast relative to the size of audience? I think what

1626
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>was I number two or something like that. I'm way

1627
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>up there relative to the size of audience Superjet. Yes,

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01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:09.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if at number one, but I'm close.

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01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Kim says Wednesday was great. Too many wacky Christian conservatives

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01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>at the event, though, bummed you didn't debate the priests.

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01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, there were. It was interesting the priest.

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01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:25.600
<v Speaker 2>It was in an auditorium owned by a church, and

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01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:29.359
<v Speaker 2>the Catholic priest of the church was there in the audience.

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01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:32.880
<v Speaker 2>You're sitting in the back, but one of his seminary

1635
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>students was in the front wearing a collar.

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01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, he was there. And the fascinating thing about the

1637
01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:40.720
<v Speaker 1>seminary student is that he was.

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01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Constantly rolling his eyes and shaking his head when the

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01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:51.319
<v Speaker 2>people defending Christianity were speaking, because they were talking nonsense

1640
01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>but historically in theologically.

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01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>And he was, you know, doing this when I was speaking.

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01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:06.319
<v Speaker 2>And when the vote came at the end of whether

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01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:09.159
<v Speaker 2>you think the proposition is right or wrong Christianity will

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01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:14.479
<v Speaker 2>destroy the West, he abstained. And I don't think he

1645
01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.319
<v Speaker 2>abstained in the beginning. I think in the beginning he

1646
01:39:16.439 --> 01:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>was clearly against the proposition. I think it's I think

1647
01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I made a good case that he acknowledged the truth,

1648
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.760
<v Speaker 2>at least was historically true. And I think he was

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01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:38.199
<v Speaker 2>embarrassed to some extent by the people defending Christianity.

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01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>And it was fascinating to watch his face as they

1651
01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:41.560
<v Speaker 1>were talking.

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01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:44.159
<v Speaker 2>So this is a seminary student, and he actually wanted

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01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>to make a speech, And I wish they'd led him,

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01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:48.479
<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't one of the people they let give speeches.

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01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:53.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, Clark, Misery is always the goal of the envious,

1656
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the momentary thrill they get from making you as miserable

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01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:56.640
<v Speaker 2>as they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is envy for you, Christian. Glad to see

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01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you in church Wednesday. Yes. Uh, if Christianity defines Western civilization,

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01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:12.720
<v Speaker 1>would those Christians consider countries like Armenia in Latin America

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01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to be Western? No? I well, it depends.

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01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe some of them would, but many of them wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>because they associated with a certain type of Christianity affiliated

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01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>with Europe, Europe and Europeans. But that would have been

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01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>an interesting question to ask them.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they would consider it er. They

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<v Speaker 2>also would separate Armenia. For ex, Armenia, for example, is

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01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox Christianity. And I think they associate Western civilization with

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01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the with the Western Church, not with the Eastern Church,

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01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>not with the Greek Orthodox or the Russian Orthodox Church.

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<v Speaker 2>And that I think is how they separate out Western civilization.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so, maybe not with regards to Armenia, but yes

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01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:57.600
<v Speaker 2>with regards to Latin America. What about Africa? That is

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01:40:57.640 --> 01:40:59.159
<v Speaker 2>becoming more and more Christian.

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01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I doubt that they would consider Africa Western civilization even

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01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:03.560
<v Speaker 1>though they're Christian.

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01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:09.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the population of Africa Christianity's growing dramatically, particularly Catholicism,

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01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.039
<v Speaker 2>So I think at the end of the day they

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01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:18.079
<v Speaker 2>for them Western civilization is a combination of race and religion.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie.

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01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Golf courses use chemicals that have been shown to significantly

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01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:28.399
<v Speaker 2>increase risk of Parkinson's other neurologogical conditions. Does the public

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01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:31.279
<v Speaker 2>have the right to block private enterprise from building golf

1685
01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:32.439
<v Speaker 2>courses close to them?

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01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean this is simple.

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01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>People should sue the golf courses that have used those chemicals,

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01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and if they win the lawsuit and they get damages,

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01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:49.359
<v Speaker 2>then that'll raise dramatically raise the cost of building a

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01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:53.000
<v Speaker 2>golf course and make it impossible, you know, prevent them

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01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>from using those.

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01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Kind of chemicals. Of course, if it's really proven, and

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01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I doubt that it's proven, I'm very very skeptical of.

1694
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Of of the fact that of the idea that chemicals

1695
01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>in golf courses create a responsible for parkins is very

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01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:09.359
<v Speaker 2>skeptical of that.

1697
01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:13.720
<v Speaker 1>But let's assume it's true. Uh, then and IF's unequivocal

1698
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and it wins.

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01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:18.520
<v Speaker 2>In a court case, then yeah, the EPA or Congress

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01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>has pass a law banning the use of those chemicals

1701
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:22.359
<v Speaker 2>because they clearly cause harm.

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01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>They're clearly a violation of individual rights. But you'd have

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01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to prove it, and I haven't seen.

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01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if that was true, I would expect there

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01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.640
<v Speaker 2>to be massive lawsuits in the works and uh and

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01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.159
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of pressure on the e p A

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01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:45.319
<v Speaker 2>to ban these chemicals. So I don't know that I've

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01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:47.199
<v Speaker 2>seen that. I'm not an expert. I haven't followed this,

1709
01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:53.560
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't seen it. Thomas, why debate politics if

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01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:56.560
<v Speaker 2>it's downstream of ethics and pistemology and metaphysics, why not

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01:42:56.640 --> 01:43:00.359
<v Speaker 2>debate a pistemology metaphysics instead, because nobody will debate and

1712
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:02.560
<v Speaker 2>nobody will come to a debate where you talk about

1713
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:04.920
<v Speaker 2>epistemology and ethic and metaphysics.

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01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's interested in that. If you debate politics, you bring

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01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:13.960
<v Speaker 1>up epistemological and ethical issues in the debate. The debate

1716
01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>is filled with ethical issues. If you debate capitalism, you're

1717
01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about its morality. You're talking about where it's ethical,

1718
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and therefore you have to define standards of ethics and

1719
01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:27.319
<v Speaker 1>but but by in the way that you debate, you model,

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01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you show a proper epistemology, you're showing your audience how

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01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:35.439
<v Speaker 1>to do with pistemology, how to think about the world.

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01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Epistemology is not just technical epistemology for most people. Most

1723
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>people will never uh you know, really examine and think

1724
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:51.720
<v Speaker 1>through and fully accept measurement emission in concept formation. They won't.

1725
01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:54.880
<v Speaker 1>They won't get that. What you need to teach people

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01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>is how to how to on a day to day

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01:43:57.039 --> 01:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>basis think, how to use concepts, how to use their mind.

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01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:02.199
<v Speaker 2>And the best way to do that is not to

1729
01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:06.359
<v Speaker 2>teach epistemology or to teach metaphysics. The best way to

1730
01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:08.640
<v Speaker 2>do that is to model it. And one of the

1731
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:13.479
<v Speaker 2>ways to model it is to debate politics. Hopefully on

1732
01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the show, I try to model good at pistemology and

1733
01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:19.520
<v Speaker 2>good metaphysics and reality oriented.

1734
01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I seek the truth. I want facts. You know, it's

1735
01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>not about people's emotions, it's about reality. It's about facts.

1736
01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I look to integrate, I look to induce, to look

1737
01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:39.439
<v Speaker 1>at reality and facts and repeated patterns and what's going

1738
01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>on and understanding causality.

1739
01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:44.439
<v Speaker 2>That is what people need to learn about epistemology and metaphysics.

1740
01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>They don't what they you know, it's to elevate thinking.

1741
01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not the technicalities of metaphysics and epistemology that they

1742
01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>need to learn and they need to get. And the

1743
01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>reality is that if you actually did ethics of pistology

1744
01:45:01.119 --> 01:45:04.479
<v Speaker 2>or particularly metaphysics and personology as subjects, nobody would come.

1745
01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's interested in learning those things except for a few philosophers.

1746
01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>What you need is to show how to do it,

1747
01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>how to think, how to approach topics, and that's what

1748
01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:24.720
<v Speaker 2>you model when you debate political or cultural issues. Good question, though, Andrew,

1749
01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:27.840
<v Speaker 2>why do you think the self declared masters of negotiation,

1750
01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:30.760
<v Speaker 2>who is the self declared master of negotiation, who is

1751
01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>our president, decided to sit on the sidelines during the

1752
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:37.079
<v Speaker 2>government shutdown and not try to lead negotiations. He was

1753
01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:41.159
<v Speaker 2>utterly uninterested. Well, because he's utterly uninterested. He's not interested,

1754
01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:47.199
<v Speaker 2>you know from his perspective. You know, he was an

1755
01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to make the Democrats look bad. He thought that

1756
01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:56.159
<v Speaker 2>at least, and he has a certain nihilistic tendency to

1757
01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>see things broken. He likes to break stuff, and this

1758
01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:01.199
<v Speaker 2>as an opportunity to break stuff.

1759
01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:03.720
<v Speaker 1>He fired a lot of people. He thought it's an Opportunityfy.

1760
01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Now he's being forced to hire them all back by

1761
01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the deal, you know, the negotiated deal to the end.

1762
01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:13.319
<v Speaker 2>So I just don't think. I think it was his

1763
01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:16.119
<v Speaker 2>way or the highway. That's what he told Democrats, and

1764
01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:19.199
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to break the Democrats. So he wasn't interested

1765
01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:23.079
<v Speaker 2>in negotiating. He's not interested in the mechanics of government.

1766
01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>He's not interested in legislation generally. That doesn't interest him.

1767
01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:30.399
<v Speaker 2>He'll do it, but it's not what drives him. It's

1768
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:34.199
<v Speaker 2>not what gets him. Andrew, do you think the standing

1769
01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:38.279
<v Speaker 2>ovation by the religionists was out of respect for your

1770
01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:41.760
<v Speaker 2>commitment to rational argument despite their disagreement, or were they

1771
01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>converted to the content of your argument. No, it wasn't

1772
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:46.560
<v Speaker 2>that they were converted, because we had a vote at

1773
01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:49.359
<v Speaker 2>the end and some changed their mind, but very few.

1774
01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:55.159
<v Speaker 2>It was respect for my ability to argue, respect for

1775
01:46:55.279 --> 01:46:56.279
<v Speaker 2>my passion.

1776
01:46:56.199 --> 01:46:59.760
<v Speaker 1>And for my skill in presenting my case.

1777
01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:01.800
<v Speaker 2>It was clearly that, and they got a lot of

1778
01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:05.039
<v Speaker 2>comments to that effect afterwards. It wasn't that they I mean,

1779
01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe some of them. It caused some cognitive dissonance and

1780
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:10.199
<v Speaker 2>cause them to rethink their position, which I think is true.

1781
01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:14.720
<v Speaker 2>But again it's modeling the right approach, which I think

1782
01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:18.439
<v Speaker 2>has ultimately a long term impact of people changing their minds.

1783
01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>They might not change their mind at the debate, but

1784
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:23.479
<v Speaker 2>it might cause them to rethink some of the things

1785
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.720
<v Speaker 2>they believe, which leads them into a whole sequence of rethinking.

1786
01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:33.680
<v Speaker 1>A lot of what they believe. Mars from Ours just

1787
01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.319
<v Speaker 1>thank you for doing what you do. I appreciated Mars

1788
01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>from ours. Thank you, Jamie before.

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<v Speaker 2>Taller in nineteen oh the law nineteen eighty six hospitals

1790
01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:50.720
<v Speaker 2>could turn away emergencies in a full private healthcare system.

1791
01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Would some people in emergencies get turned away?

1792
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yeah, I mean.

1793
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I think most people would not because a they'd have insurance.

1794
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Almost everybody would. Some people wouldn't have a chance, but

1795
01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>they'd be a charity wing a charity fund of a hospital.

1796
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:14.359
<v Speaker 2>But some hospitals might not have that fund and it

1797
01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:18.600
<v Speaker 2>might not might not have the capability of providing charitable services,

1798
01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and they would turn them away.

1799
01:48:19.960 --> 01:48:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1800
01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be very very rare. It would

1801
01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>be the exceptional case. And again incentive to get insurance,

1802
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:33.319
<v Speaker 2>and you say, oh, you know people can't afford it. Well,

1803
01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it's an incentive to be able to afford it. And

1804
01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:39.640
<v Speaker 2>of course, if you privatize healthcare completely, then.

1805
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:44.319
<v Speaker 1>People would be richer. If you made the world the

1806
01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:47.119
<v Speaker 1>free market, people would be rich and insurance.

1807
01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Would be easily affordable. That's what we should strive for.

1808
01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Jamie says. With privatized roads, would there be some traffic

1809
01:48:55.800 --> 01:48:58.760
<v Speaker 2>slowdowns due to toll stops? Would they be speed limits

1810
01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:04.199
<v Speaker 2>and would you be allowed to drink and drive? I

1811
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:06.439
<v Speaker 2>don't think there would be slowdowns because of tolls because

1812
01:49:06.439 --> 01:49:10.359
<v Speaker 2>today tolls are electronic. It could be tracked by GPS.

1813
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:14.079
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't even need a machine. All it would do

1814
01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:16.840
<v Speaker 2>is you attract every way you drive, and it could

1815
01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:20.159
<v Speaker 2>bill you based on which road you drove on to

1816
01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:22.000
<v Speaker 2>which owners do you owe the money. It would be

1817
01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:25.319
<v Speaker 2>a pretty simple, straightforward process. There'd be companies that specialize

1818
01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>in providing tolling services to owners of roads, and if

1819
01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:32.520
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to drive on those roads, you'd have to

1820
01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:37.439
<v Speaker 2>get a sticker with a GPS tracking and you'd buy

1821
01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:40.319
<v Speaker 2>a service from one of the service providers that made

1822
01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>it possible for you to do that.

1823
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:42.600
<v Speaker 1>So no, I don't think so.

1824
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Would there be speed limits, Yes, speed limits determined buy

1825
01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the owner of the roads, and they would have a

1826
01:49:50.119 --> 01:49:53.680
<v Speaker 2>strong incentive to do that because they don't want accidents

1827
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:56.479
<v Speaker 2>in the roads that make them less usable.

1828
01:49:57.279 --> 01:49:59.600
<v Speaker 1>They want to.

1829
01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Be able to of stores in the roads and pedestrians

1830
01:50:02.359 --> 01:50:07.560
<v Speaker 2>and so on which provide revenues. So all of that, Absolutely,

1831
01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>there'd be speed limits. There might also be speed limits.

1832
01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:13.399
<v Speaker 2>It might also turn out the insurance companies own the roads,

1833
01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and they would have speed limits because they would want

1834
01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:19.119
<v Speaker 2>fewer accidents, and because they would have then they would

1835
01:50:19.159 --> 01:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>have fewer claims to pay. Would you allow drink and drive? No,

1836
01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:27.399
<v Speaker 2>to drink and drive represents a real threat to other people.

1837
01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:30.680
<v Speaker 2>For the police would stop you for drinking and driving

1838
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>because of the threat you represent to others.

1839
01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:36.439
<v Speaker 1>So you know, if you are driving in a risky way,

1840
01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the police would have their authority to stop you and

1841
01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:43.800
<v Speaker 1>test you for alcohol. It is you exhibiting risky behavior

1842
01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>that is a justification for stopping you. Stephen thoughts on

1843
01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:53.439
<v Speaker 1>the counter mount of Crystal, the novel themes, movie version,

1844
01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:53.920
<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

1845
01:50:54.399 --> 01:50:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are lots of movie versions. I generally

1846
01:50:56.840 --> 01:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like the countermount of Crystal. It's basically a revenge story.

1847
01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I like revenge stories. Injustice is done to this man,

1848
01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:07.479
<v Speaker 2>he spends time in prison, he escapes, and then he

1849
01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:10.680
<v Speaker 2>basically destroys his enemies.

1850
01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Cool. I love that destroying your enemies is a good thing.

1851
01:51:16.640 --> 01:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Somebody who committed a huge injustice against you should be destroyed,

1852
01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and so I like the theme of Monte Cristo Justice.

1853
01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Basically it's all about justice and bringing justice to the

1854
01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:33.039
<v Speaker 2>world after a massive, massive injustice. I don't remember any

1855
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:36.039
<v Speaker 2>particular movie version of it that was good. I'm sure

1856
01:51:36.079 --> 01:51:38.479
<v Speaker 2>there's several, so I'd encourage people to look for it

1857
01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and definitely read the book.

1858
01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Read the book. It's a good book. Count to Monte Cristo. Jamie.

1859
01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of the Ostrich call recently in British

1860
01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Columbia and what's your opinion on it? If so, Does

1861
01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:53.359
<v Speaker 2>the government have a right to kill private owned suspected

1862
01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>to be sick with bird flu animals? I think only

1863
01:51:56.880 --> 01:52:02.840
<v Speaker 2>if they represent a risk to either human beings, and

1864
01:52:03.039 --> 01:52:04.880
<v Speaker 2>it has to be an objective verst to human beings

1865
01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>or the property of other people, that is, other people's birds.

1866
01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:12.680
<v Speaker 1>So there has to be an objective risk and.

1867
01:52:15.159 --> 01:52:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know the details about the British Columbia

1868
01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>calling of the birds, but yes, if the risk rises

1869
01:52:23.079 --> 01:52:27.319
<v Speaker 2>to such a degree where if this bird infects and

1870
01:52:27.399 --> 01:52:29.199
<v Speaker 2>there's no way to isolate the birds, and if the

1871
01:52:29.239 --> 01:52:32.600
<v Speaker 2>birds infect somebody else's birds, they will all die and

1872
01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:33.119
<v Speaker 2>destroy that.

1873
01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Person's livelihood, that's a real legitimate risk.

1874
01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Or if this virus has the potential, a real potential,

1875
01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:43.119
<v Speaker 2>not just a small probability. And all of this is

1876
01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:45.319
<v Speaker 2>we worked out in law, and I don't have the

1877
01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>answers in terms of the exact numbers. But if this

1878
01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:51.039
<v Speaker 2>has the potential to really jump to human beings and

1879
01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:53.840
<v Speaker 2>it's imminent and it's going to happen, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>some protections have to be put in place. Exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>you do it and what you do, you'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>be an expert to the terms in that, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>silly not an expert. But it's a real issue that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be solved. How you solved it exactly, that

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<v Speaker 2>is up to philosophers of law and epidemiologists and property

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<v Speaker 2>rights experts to have to figure out exactly. Lincoln Armenia

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<v Speaker 2>is a perfect example of Christianity ruined the culture hyper

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<v Speaker 2>smart people who are successful when secular in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>But the Christian Middle East country is so impoverished. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that's true everywhere. The more fundamentalist

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<v Speaker 2>religious you are, the less as a culture, the less

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<v Speaker 2>successful you're going to be. True of Christianity, true of Judaism,

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<v Speaker 2>true of Islam, two of all of them. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading this amazing book about the Islamic Central Asian

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<v Speaker 2>They call it an Enlightenment, but Golden Age. It's truly

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<v Speaker 2>stunning what they did and why they did, how they

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<v Speaker 2>did it, and how it ended in dramatic fashion. And

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<v Speaker 2>the Dark Ages of Islam have lasted eight hundred years,

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred years, eight hundred something years. Pretty amazing how

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<v Speaker 2>long their Dark Ages have been. Michael consistently successful immigrants

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<v Speaker 2>on non Christians, Indians, Chinese, Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>Et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Hispanics don't perform as well because they are could by Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's an interesting explanation for I haven't thought

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<v Speaker 2>about that for immigrant success.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably true.

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<v Speaker 2>Nigerians have succeed in America are Christians typically, so that

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<v Speaker 2>might be an exception. But yeah, I have to I'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to look into that and look at the stats

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<v Speaker 2>and and and get a bit of clue on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's that's that makes sense. All right, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go. I didn't give credit to my

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors today. I will make up for that on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>You you can check out the sponsor is downe below.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually add Defenders of Capitalism to our sponsor's list in

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<v Speaker 2>the comments below. And yeah, thank you, thanks for super chatters.

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<v Speaker 2>You did amazing today. You met our three hour goal

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<v Speaker 2>as we as we approached the end of the second hour,

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<v Speaker 2>So I very much appreciate that. A lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with Troy, but also the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>you chimed in lot. You know, lots of twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 2>questions and some good stickers, but a lot of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars questions.

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<v Speaker 1>It really got us to where we needed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of ten dollars questions. So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I will see you all on Saturday on Sunday, no

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<v Speaker 2>show tomorrow, but I'm hoping for a show that will

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<v Speaker 2>do a show on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>See then bye, everybody.