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Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of Get Off My Pilon

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college football podcast. This is your host, Matt Zemik. This

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Here on Get Off My Pylon, as usual, we focus

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on western college football in the United States and plenty

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to talk about, and obviously, you know coming up this

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weekend the big one Oregon against Ohio State. We're definitely

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going to preview that game. Tee it up. Also Penn

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State USC, although of course that game's lost a little luster.

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We'll get into the Trojans in a little bit, but

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first before we look ahead to October twelve and that

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huge Saturday with all the big showdowns, and some of

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them in the West, let's review what happened in week six.

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Let's start with Washington Washington beating Michigan, and like that

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was a game that Jedfish really had to have. It

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was at home. The Huskies had lost multiple times, you know,

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lost the Apple Cup to Washington State, lost at Rutgers

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despite gaining over five hundred yards and holding Rutgers to

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two hundred and ninety nine yards. I mean, it's again,

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it's really hard to do what Washington did at Rutgers

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to outgain an opponent so decisively and yet score so

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few points and find a way to not win that game.

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Washington gained over five hundred yards and again was like

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was two of twelve third downs Like that just really

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hard to do what Washington did. So anyway, the Huskies

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had to bounce back, and they did in Seattle at

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Husky Stadium against Michigan. So Washington stabilizes its season. That

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was really important for Fish, Like the season really could

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have spiraled on the Huskies, who, by the way, have

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to go to Iowa and Kinnick Stadium for Fox Big

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Noon Saturday this upcoming weekend. If they had, if they

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had lost to Michigan, you're you're seriously looking at the

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possibility of not making a bowl game. So Washington probably

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saved it season in terms of at least being able

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to get to a ball But like, the Huskies are

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not going to be chasing any you know, premium prize,

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but they at least avoided disaster by beating Michigan. And

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I know we're talking about the West, but just just

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because that's a Big Ten game and we're looking at

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the Big Ten as part of you know, having the

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four West Coast schools in the Big Ten. Just briefly

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looking at the Big Ten in general. You know, Michigan's

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a pretty ordinary team that that seems to be obvious

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that the Wolverines don't have much of an offense, can't

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figure out their quarterback situation, they were caught short. It's

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worth saying that Michigan's an ordinary team only because Seguay

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alert that team was good enough to beat USC. And

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USC has losses over this very ordinary Michigan team and

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to Minnesota. So like that's the next stop on get

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off my pile, on our look at Western college football,

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USC losing to Minnesota, And if you saw the USC

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Michigan game, USC Minnesota was very very similar. USC does

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not play well in the first half, makes great halftime adjustments,

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the team plays great in the third quarter, offensive line

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plays really well in the third quarter, but then in

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the fourth quarter when the game was on the line,

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the USC offensive line regresses, defense gives up some big runs.

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Trojans lose a one score game on the road in

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the Big ten. And so like that, the parallels between

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USC losing to Minnesota and USC losing to Michigan, the

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parallels were abundant, like you could just draw so many similarities. Now,

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one thing that was different for USC in this Minnesota game.

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No Eric Gentry at linebacker. That really hurt. Gentry was

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US He's best defensive player. You would think that the

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USC's defensive performance was going to suffer without Gentry. That

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wasn't entirely true. Minnesota had just ten points with ten

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minutes left in this game. The defense without Gentry actually

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did really well. But then came another big injury Anthony

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Lucas on the defensive line. He had to leave the game.

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And let's also remember that bar Alexander is in the

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transfer portal, or at least has intended to enter the

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transfer portal, So he's no longer playing for USC. He's

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red shirting. He wants out of the program. So without

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Gentry and without bar Alexander, this defense was able to

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hold the fort. But you know that at some point,

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when you keep losing bodies and attrition continues to get worse,

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at some point there's going to be a straw that

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breaks the Campbell's back effect. And losing Anthony Lucas in

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that fourth quarter, already missing Eric Gentry, already missing Bear Alexander, well,

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Anthony Lucas was the straw that broke the Campbell's back

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because after he left with an injury, USC's run defense

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just finally couldn't hold up against Minnesota. Now it wasn't

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the defense that lost the game, but attrition, lack of

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depth on defense. It finally did catch up to USC,

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as anyone who covered the program feared might happen in

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the offseason. Like you just you could deal with one

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or two injuries, but three three big players unavailable. That

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was the tipping point. And so USC's offensive line by

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allowing pressure on Milar Moss that was specifically Mason Murphy

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us the offensive lineman getting torched or an outside pass rush,

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which was a consistent problem for him in this game

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against Minnesota. Minnesota was lining up its pass rusher wide

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and was making his speed move from the outside. Mason

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Murphy couldn't handle that outside speed rush and on the

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third and four play early in the third quarter, early

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in the fourth quarter that led to Miller Moss's interception.

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It was a speed rush. Milr Moss had no chance.

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This was not milar Moss's fault. Guy gets right on

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top of him, hits his arm as milar Moss is

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releasing the ball. The ball doesn't get to its target

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and it gets picked off. That was the game changing play.

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Minnesota dominates after that play. You know, if USC avoids

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that interception, it would at least have been able to

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kick a fifty three yard field goal or go for

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it on fourth and four to get a first down.

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If USC either makes a field goal or gets a

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few more first downs on that drive, Trojans are winning

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the game. That becomes a USC win. But the USC

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offensive line, You'll remember, USC had the ball with five

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minutes left and a four point lead against Michigan. Offensive

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line gets dominated by Michigan on that series of downs,

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and people you know noted Lincoln Riley for the play selection,

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which is fair to a degree, But the main thing

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is USC's offensive line is coming up very small in

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important game deciding moments, and USC's offensive line is also

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not playing well in first quarters and first halves. The

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USC played a great third quarter. Offense played as well

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as it had all season long. Twelve played ninety one

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yard touchdown drive in the third quarter. It was USC's

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best drive of the season. But USC's offensive line is

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playing like twenty to twenty five good minutes per game.

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Why can't do it for at least forty five minutes,

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if not all sixty? You have to ask that question

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of offensive line coach Josh Henson. So the offensive line

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is not helping out more Moss, it's not helping out

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the team. It's not helping out what really is a

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defense that is playing well overall, but could not afford

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to miss too many key pieces, and it missed too

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many key pieces in that fourth quarter with Anthony Locas,

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Eric Gentry, and bar Alexander all out, USC was just

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not able to handle that. So USC has a very

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ordinary team as it prepares to play Penn State this

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upcoming weekend. Continuing with our review of Week six western

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college football in the United States, we have to look

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at cal Cal had that incredible game day environment in Berkeley.

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College Game Day finally visits the Berkeley campus that had

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never done so before. The slate you know, in week

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six was not spectacular. So why not go to Berkeley

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and why not highlight the new world of the ACC

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where you have Miami going to the West coast for

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a late night game, a ten to thirty pm Eastern

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time start, and that's a conference game, that's an ACC game.

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I think ESPN was throwing the ACC a bone. Obviously

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all the lawsuits that are flying in the ACC and

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member schools are dissatisfied with the ESPN contract. It's a

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very ESPN friendly contract. So College Game Day, for various reasons,

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goes to Berkeley. It's an absolute sensation. The calgorithm Cal

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fans with their signs were just an absolute smash hit.

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And then Cal played like a house on fire for

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the first fifty minutes of the game thirty five to

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ten lead, still led thirty eight to eighteen early in

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the fourth quarter. And then and after playing like a

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house on fire, Cal burned the house down. It was Arson.

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It was Cal just destroying what it had established with

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an absolute meltdown. And credit to cam Ward in Miami

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for scrambling late, as they so often have done this season.

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Can Ward has that neck, He's able to thread the

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needle in the game's most important moments. But if you're Cal, hey,

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you've scored thirty eight points in a little over three

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quarters against Miami and then you can't even get a

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first down late in the game to seal the deal.

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You had multiple chances thirty eight, eighteen thirty eight to

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twenty five, thirty eight, thirty two, like you had all

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those possessions with a lead in the fourth quarter. If

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you just get two first downs on one of those drives,

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it's ballgame, and Cal could not do that. Cal also

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allows a very very long completion to Miami. Me the

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Hurricanes started near their own ten late in the game,

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they're able to get like a sixty yard play to

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immediately flip the field and make one of their touchdown

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drives more manageable. One other point that definitely has to

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be dealt with in the Miami cow game, that late

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non targeting call. And when you look at that play

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and I understand the view that that should have been targeting.

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Was there some helmet contact, Yes, there was, Like the

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helmet was part of the hit. But I have a

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problem with targeting in that a lot of times when

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the helmet is part of the hit, but it's clearly

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not a case of spearing. Like you know, sometimes players

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will lead with their helmet, like they just make the

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helmet a weapon, like the helmet becomes a heat seeking missile.

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That's targeting to me, all right, and we can debate

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what the rule book says about targeting, but to me,

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spearing just absolutely just leaning your helmet into the offensive player.

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That's really what targeting should be. Relative to helmet contact.

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This was not that this was the helmet being part

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of an attempt to tackle of an attempt to hit,

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and that attempt to tackle involve the helmet, but it

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also involved the shoulder and it also had a follow

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through with the arms. Now I understand the point that

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the helmet was part of the hit, but I have

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a problem with the idea that, oh, the helmet was

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part of the hit. The helmet has to be the

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only or obviously primary part of the hit to merit targeting,

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to merit a fifteen yard penalty. If the helmet is

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merely part of the hit along with the shoulder and

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along with the arms. I don't think that should be Again,

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I understand the disagreements with this, but the specific point

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that I'm getting to here is I think a lot

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of football fans, and I'm not gonna this is not

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a criticism, This is just an observation. A lot of

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football fans get into a mode where, oh, the helmet's

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part of the hit, targeting the helm. It's not as

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though a defensive player can somehow completely remove the helmet

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from the act of making a tackle or a hit.

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Like it's not as though when you're trying to make

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a tackle or a hit you have to, you know,

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bend your helmet to the opposite side so that your

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helmet is out of the way. Like that's not a

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natural act. That's not a natural part of making a hit.

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Like what forget whether I have a helmet or not.

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For a moment. If I'm coming at you and I'm

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trying to hit you, like my body is coming towards you,

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and my head is part of my body, So you

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put a helmet on my head, Like, my helmet's gonna

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be coming toward you, all right when I try to

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make a tackle or a hit. And so the idea

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that oh, if my helmet hits the opposing player, the

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opposing ball carrier to any extent, that's targeting or a penalty. No, see,

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I don't agree with that. I don't think that's appropriate.

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see someone who was leading with the helmet. I saw

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someone who was in the process of making a hit. Well,

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the shoulders coming closer to the to Mendoza, the cow quarterback,

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the arm, the left forearm is coming closer to the quarterback,

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and the helmet and the head, so like all body

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parts are gonna come closer to the cow quarterback. But

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that doesn't mean he was using the helmet as a weapon.

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The helmet did hit part of Mendoza. I don't deny that,

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but you you also have shoulder contact and you also

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have forearm contact to me, targeting relative to the helmet,

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you know, not not not talking about hitting someone late.

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uh you know what was was used as a weapon.

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And by the way, this was not launching either. The

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Miami player stayed on the ground. You didn't leave the ground.

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weapon such that you know, the shoulder and forearms are

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not part of the act of hitting. It's basically the guy,

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you know, just lowering his helmet and using that helmet

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to deliver the blow. To me, that wasn't uh the case,

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And and that's a really important nuance as we try

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to wrestle with the targeting. I think the helmet needs

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to be the primary weapon as opposed to being part

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of the hit. You know, I think the helmet was

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part of the hit, but it wasn't the overwhelmingly clear

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central weapon used in the hit. And so for that reason,

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I think the call of non targeting was okay. And

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I think a lot of people looking at that play

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live before we got the slow motion replay thought, whoa,

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that's a great shoulder hit in the open field. That's football.

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I'm not going to say that that that targeting was

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the case of the ACC protecting Miami. However, However, the

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touchdown clearly involved an eligible man downfield. There were multiple

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offensive linemen who were more than three yards down the

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field on that little flip pass to the left side

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that came ward through. You can't miss that. And so

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that is where anyone saying that the ACC is trying

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to protect Miami is not getting Cal a fair shake.

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That's the play you want to circle, because how you

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know you have all those officials on the field, you're

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telling me that not one of them saw that multiple

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Miami offensive linemen were more than three yards down the field.

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That's the play you circle. That's the play you send

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to the ACC office and say, hey, what are we

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doing here? Like this is just not professional, This is

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just not remotely consistent. You're bending over backwards to make

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sure that Miami gets to the playoff. That is the

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play that we should be talking about a lot more targeting,

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a lot less, because targeting is just a play that,

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in my mind, college football does not know how to

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adjudicate targeting penalties. To me, targeting should be a vicious,

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cheap shot, like the defender exhibits no care, no discipline

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at all, and is just trying to hurt or injure

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or is just so reckless that there's no other choice

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to be made. That Miami hit didn't fit those categories

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in my estimation. And for Cal, you know, you can

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complain about those miscalls or those wrong calls, I understand it,

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but you know what, Cal never should have been in

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that position right. Cal never should have allowed twenty five

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point lead to be whittled down to one score late

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in the game. We've seen Justin Wilcox blow some games

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he had no business losing. This one might be the

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most painful of all, just because it was a high

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profile team, a high profile game, College game Day. What

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could have been an amazing transformative moment for Cal football

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turns into the ultimate gut punch in Berkeley. Continuing our

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look at western college football, Arizona State beats Kansas, and

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you know, Arizona State well on its way to a

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bowl game. So Kenny Dillingham obviously like he gets it.

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He's doing a great job under the circumstances in temp.

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He has that program clearly on an upward trajectory. We

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don't focus on Kansas as a Midwestern school under get

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off my pilon, but Kansas was playing Arizona State. So

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the notable item of about Kansas. You look at Kansas's

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games this season, look at all the times that Kansas

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has given up a time or go ahead score in

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the final two minutes of a half, first half, second half.

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The Jayawks have been unbelievably bad, with last two minute

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defense in each of their halves, and Arizona State was

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able to exploit that one more time. And one other

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note about that ASU Kansas game, as we mentioned a

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week ago here and get off my pylon. One hundred

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and seven degrees at kickoff just after five pm and

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ten p hottest start time for any October Arizona State

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game in school history. It's the third hottest start time

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for any ASU game period. Obviously, the hottest start times

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belonged to games that were either in late August or

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any time in September. But it's the hottest start time

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for any October Arizona State football game ever played. Ever,

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that tells you how intense the heat has in Phoenix.

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It was one thirteen on October first, and it was

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one to eleven on Sunday, October sixth, the day after

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Arizona States went over Kansas. But ASU has a hot

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team pun not intended definitely moving toward bowl eligibility. Making

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a bowl game would be an absolute success. For twenty

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twenty four at Arizona State, Arizona beat Utah on the road,

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so you're thinking, Hey, the Wildcats are figuring this thing

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out under first year coach Brent Brennan. Nope, Like they

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beat Utah, he took advantage of Cam Rising being injured.

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But then they take the step back. They lose to

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Texas Tech on a night when their offense once again struggles.

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And you know, just looking at the Big Twelve, obviously,

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you know you have the Arizona Schools and Utah and

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Colorado is part of the Big Twelve. But looking at

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the Big Twelve more broadly, if you look at the

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Big Twelve, like every week it's as though each team

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has a jackal and hide and and and these teams

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just basically rotate personalities each week. One week you see

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the good iteration of a Big Twelve team, the next

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week you see a bad version of that same team.

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And just the Big Twelve just has teams that are

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just flip flopping week to week. It's been, it's been,

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it's it gives you whiplash. It's been fascinating to watch

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that just no one can seemingly play consistently well for

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more than a couple of good weeks. Iowa State might

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be the one real exception in the Big Twelve. So

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the Arizona Arizona Wildcats just not able to put it

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together consistently. They've had their moments, but there they have

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not been a steady team so far this season, and

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that has to be very disappointing for the folks down

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in Tucson. UH. Other stories from Western college football this

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past weekend. Ashton Genty of Boise State, like he just

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contains to put up video game numbers. He if there

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is one player who seems like a lock right now

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in mid October to be a Heisman Trophy finalist, it's

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it's Ashton Genty because his numbers are just too ridiculous

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to ignore. He's just in corking all of these big

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runs he's at. He's you know, the number of double

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digit runs that he's producing is just off the charts.

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Like he is. He's already over one thousand yards for

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one thing, you know, in the middle of the season.

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So like he's just a rocket ship who's just you know,

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going into the stratosphere. He's the Felix Bound Gardner, remember

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the guy who made that huge jump from from the

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lower levels of outer space. This is the Felix Bomb

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Gardner of college football running backs. Ashton Genty has just

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been off the charts and Boise State, remember Boise State

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had a quarterback battle in camp, and Maddox Madsen got

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the not over former five star recruit the transfer from

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USC Malachai Nelson. I'd say it's a pretty good move

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by first year head coach Spencer Danielson. Boise State is

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just trucking people left and right. Boise State is just

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putting up video game offensive numbers nearly every week. That

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close game against Oregon makes Oregon actually look better like

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Oregon beat a really, really, really good team. I know

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it was close, but you know, if Boise State had

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had a relatively ordinary season to this point, you'd be

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more concerned about Oregon head into the Ohio State game.

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But the way Boise State is playing, Boise State certainly

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looks like the group of five favorite to get into

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the college football playoff, and Ashton gent is very much

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at the center of that effort. The other prominent Western

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team in the Group of five mix, UNLV, lost a

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heartbreaker to Syracuse. Syracuse is Kyle McCord had a really

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good night. UNLV's defense was not up to the job.

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This was not a failure of you know, v's offense.

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It was the defense that couldn't make a stand against

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Syracuse when it really counted, couldn't protect some late leads,

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So you know V. You know, you know V will

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get a shot at Boise State, so you know, V

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obviously not eliminated from the playoff, but that's still you

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don't want to absorb a loss early in the season

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because that really reduces your overall margin for air. It

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will be interesting to see how UNLV bounces back from

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that loss to Syracuse. So that those are the main

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stories for week six. Now let's preview the big ones

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for week seven, and the undercard is Penn State USC

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and of course USC losing to Minnesota. That takes some

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of the sizzle out of this game against Penn State.

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It's really a bigger deal for Penn State. If Penn

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State wins this game, it'll be really hard to see

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the Ninney Lions not making the playoffs. You know, that's

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really the bigger story of this game now that USC

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has two losses. It's not so much USC staying in

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the playoff, even though that's narrowly true. Like if USC

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hypothetically ran the table, Trojans would be in the playoff,

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but how many people think that's gonna happen? Right, It's

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just not the a front page story for USC getting

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into the playoff. This is more about USC survival and

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USC avoiding a big downward slide to an eight and

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four or seven and five record. That's really more what

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this game's about for Lincoln Rithery and the Trojans. The

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big national story is more about can Penn State basically

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punch its ticket to the playoff? Can Penn State get

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half a foot in the door or one foot in

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the door, I should say, to make the playoff. That's

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really the big national story. But as we break this

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game down, USC not having Eric Gentry, I mean, you know,

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he was carted off the field against Wisconsin the week

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before the Minnesota game. I have a hard time thinking

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he's going to be physically ready to play. And if

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he's not ready to play, and if Anthony Lucas is

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not available, well we talked about earlier with attrition and

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a lack of defensive depth, you think that's gonna matter

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against Penn State. You know, USC needs all hands on

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deck for this game US. He needs a fully fortified

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team and a fully fortified defense. Drew Aller, while not great,

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he's he's been good and he was. He was great

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against West Virginia, hasn't been great in his other games

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this season. Is Penn State's quarterback, but he's better than

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what He's a better quarterback than what USC has faced

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for most of the season. Now, Garrett Nusmeyer is really good.

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I would say that Nussmeyer probably rates is a little

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bit higher than Drew Aller overall, but ours certainly better

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than the Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota quarterbacks that USC has faced.

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Like Max Brozmer was really good for Minnesota at the

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end of that game, but again, that's only after USC's

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defense got depleted enough by injuries. Rosmer wasn't that great

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in the first three quarters when Minnesota manage just ten

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points against USC. Drew Aller is a definite quarterback upgrade

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from what USC has been facing the past few weeks.

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So unless USC's offensive line can play a complete game,

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and there's no there's nothing that would suggest that's gonna

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happen against a Tom Allen coach Penn State defense. Tom

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Allen being the new defensive coordinator for the Nitney Lions.

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He replaced Manny Diaz, who became the head coach at

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Duke this offseason. Going up against a Tom Allen coach

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Penn State defense. I'm having a hard time seeing a

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scenario on which USC's offensive line plays well enough, consistently

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enough to win this game. But if USC does want

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to win, that offensive line, coached by Josh Henson, definitely

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needs to pick up the slack. It definitely needs to

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elevate its game. More broadly, USC just continues to be

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a bad first half team. USC is one of the

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best third quarter teams in the country. You look at

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USC's third quarter performance across all of its games so

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far this season, the third quarter has by far been

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USC's best quarter in every game the Trojans play. But

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that performance in the third quarter is not being replicated

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in first halves and fourth quarters, especially and especially first halves.

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Usse has finished a few games in the fourth quarter

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the Wisconsin game, the LSU game, but it didn't finish

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the fourth quarter well against Minnesota or Michigan. But first

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halves have just been a big struggle for USC all

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season long. If the Trojans can't play a quality first

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half against Penn State and they are behind seven or

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more points to the Nittany Lions at halftime, it's hard

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to see how it's gonna end well for US seed.

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So there's a lot of trouble in Trojan Land. And

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you know, the the recruiting deficit that the program faced

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this past offseason this past cycle is a direct result

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of USC keeping Alex Grinch. Lincoln Riley keeping Alex Grinch

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for twenty twenty three, which led to the crash and

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burned that put USC, you know, well behind Oregon and

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other prominent schools for top recruits. Us he is now

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digging out from that deficit in twenty twenty three. The

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Trojan's twenty twenty five recruiting class looks better, you know.

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Putting in this new really good defensive staff has improved

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the program and its future outlook. But it's still playing

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catch up with Oregon. And that's because of the mistakes

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made not this year, but a year ago. Those mistakes

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are still affecting and limiting what USC can be. The

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Trojans are still playing catch up. All right. We talked

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about USC being behind Oregon recruiting. Now we go to

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the really big one in Week seven, Oregon Ohio State

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in Eugene, the primetime showdown number two, number three. These

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teams likely to meet for the Big Ten Championship in

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December in Indianapolis. Penn State might have something to say

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about that. And that's also why you know the Penn

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State USC game is so large. Penn State wins, you

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could see Penn State getting in the way of an

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Ohio State Oregon rematch in Indianapolis. If Penn State loses,

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then all the more reason for this Ohio State Oregon

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game to be seen as merely the first of two,

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with the rematch coming in Lucas Oil Stadium in almost

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two months from now. So Ohio State and Oregon. You know,

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if you sized up this game in the offseason, you

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probably would have thought, Okay, it's really how does Ohio

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State slow down Oregon's offense? Because Dylan Gabriel he's won

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at UCF, he's won at Oklahoma, he's a winner, he's

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proven experienced, very talented college football quarterback. In the offseason,

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it was probably about, you know, how well can Oregon's

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offense perform as we enter this game. It's doesn't This

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game doesn't really have that kind of feel. It's not

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really a matter of ken Ohio State slow down Oregon's offense.

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It's can either of these quarterbacks get out of their

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own way. You know, Will Howard and Dylan Gabriel, they've

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both thrown their share of interceptions this season. They have

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both not played at the ceiling of their capabilities. This

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game feels like a game that could become a street fight,

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in which the defenses call the shots, the offenses struggle.

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It could be a an old time Big ten game

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dominated by field position. You know, which which punter has

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the better game? Like, I don't think that's how we

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were looking at this game in the offseason, when it

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was a constant point of interest and speculation. Right now,

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it feels like, you know, it's gonna feel like an

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old school game in which field position matters and in

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which it's not going to be a game decided so

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much by the big plays. Though obviously any really big

519
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play is going to have a figures to have a

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significant impact. It's not gonna be the big play so

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much as the big mistake. You know, which quarterback makes

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00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,039
the big mistake. Which offense is unable to play a

523
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,680
clean game? That really is the point of emphasis. It's

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not what which offense can score forty points, No, it's

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which offense can avoid handing over the big turnover that

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00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,359
could really flip the field. It can change just the

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00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,799
whole the shape of the game. That really seems to

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be what's most centrally going to decide Ohio State Oregon.

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And given how dominant Ohio State's defense has looked under

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00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Jim Knowles, and given how much elite talent exists on

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00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,119
that Ohio State defense, this is not a way of

532
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,359
saying that I think Ohio State's offense is better than Oregons.

533
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,480
I wouldn't put it that way. I don't think that's

534
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the case. I do think Ohio State's defense has a

535
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:35,599
higher ceiling than Oregon's defense, and I think Ohio State's

536
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,640
defense is more likely to come up with the big

537
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:46,480
game changing takeaway, turnover, the high impact play. So I

538
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,720
want to be very precise in how I am framing

539
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,839
this game. I'm not saying that Ohio State has a

540
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,200
better team or offense. I'm framing this game through the

541
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,240
lens of I think Ohio State's defense is more likely

542
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:05,079
to make the splash play, the interception, the takeaway that's

543
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,800
going to turn this game. That having been said, that

544
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,440
having been said, if Ohio State does not get a big,

545
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,920
high impact takeaway, you know if this game is a

546
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,360
game in which neither side commits a turnover, neither side

547
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:27,000
commits a really big mistake on offense, then I think

548
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,079
it's advantaged Oregon with Dylan Gabriel. I think Dylan Gabriel

549
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,079
has a higher ceiling than Will Howard does, so if

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Oregon can eliminate mistakes, I think the Ducks are more

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likely to win at home. I think their offense can

552
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:46,440
get more out of what they have, but I don't

553
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000
think that's likely. I don't think Oregon plays the perfect

554
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,320
game on offense. I think Oregon's gonna stumble, going to

555
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,639
make that costly mistake at some point. So it's like

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00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,519
I'm not endorsing Will Howard over Dylan Gabriel gave. I'm

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00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,559
thinking that Ohio State's defense is simply has enough talent

558
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,440
to to either confuse Gabriel or hit Gabriel and uh

559
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,760
and limit Oregon's options on offense. I don't think Will

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00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,360
Howard is going to push Ohio State over the line

561
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in this game, but I do think that the Ohio

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00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,280
State defense is going to get a turnover, which which

563
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,599
sets up points and tips the needle just a little

564
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,320
bit to the buck guys. But but again, if there

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00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,679
are no turnovers in this game, and if they're big

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00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,119
mistakes basically even each other out, cancel each other out, Uh,

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then I think it's advantage Oregon. But I do think

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00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,840
that Ohio State's going to get the benefit of more

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mistakes from the Oregon side. Based on what I've seen

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00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,079
so far this season, I think Ohio States defense is

571
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,400
a little bit more likely to to to fully put

572
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,519
down the Clamps, fully smother Oregon. I don't think Ohio

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00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,400
State's offense is going to do a whole lot against

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Oregon's defense, but I think Ohio State can dominate Oregon

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00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,920
a little bit more when the buck guys are on defense.

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00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,039
When the Ducks are on offense, Oregon's going to have

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00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,760
to step it up compared to what we have seen. Uh.

578
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,559
You know, ordinary decent is not going to cut it.

579
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,000
Oregon's going to have to be really good on offense.

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00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,360
And I'm not convinced that's going to happen. But we'll

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00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,320
see what the Ducks are capable of. And maybe this

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00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,719
big game environment and also the idea of you know,

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00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,679
saving plays in the playbook, you know, maybe Oregon's been

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00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,000
keeping some things under wraps waiting for this game to

585
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,519
surprise Ohio State on film. That could be part of

586
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,880
the mix. But we have had basically half a season

587
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,679
to look at these two teams. You know, this is

588
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,719
not an early September mid September game in which these

589
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,920
teams are still kind of feeling their way into the season.

590
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,039
I think that's an important point to make. You know,

591
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,880
these teams have been able to go through some evolutionary stages.

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,159
October two, twelve, you should basically have your full playbook,

593
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,400
you know, like everything is ready and available. And I

594
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,239
think with that point in mind, you know, I think

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00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,679
that you know, what you've seen up to now should

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00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,280
reflect the true measure of each team. And I think

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00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,599
I've seen Ohio States defense operating at such a high

598
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,280
level it should be able to coax at least one,

599
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,320
if not two, really big, really impactful turnovers from the

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Oregon offense. It's up to Oregon. Oregon has the greater burden.

601
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,599
I mean, both teams need to avoid the big mistakes,

602
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:42,239
but Oregon has the greater burden in that regard. That's

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00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,880
what you're gonna want to watch for this coming Saturday.

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00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,920
In the Big Game of the Week, Ohio State at Oregon,

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the big ten game of the year. All right, so

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