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<v Speaker 1>Eight thirty eight, Here fifty five KRCD Talk Station. Been

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<v Speaker 1>a very happy Monday to you. I am pleased to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show Buddy Levey,

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<v Speaker 1>author of more than ten books, including A Labyrinth of Ice,

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<v Speaker 1>The Triumphant and Tragic Greeley Polar Expedition, and Empire of

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<v Speaker 1>Ice and Stone, The Disastrous and Heroic Voyage of the

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<v Speaker 1>Karl Luke. His book have been published in eight languages,

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<v Speaker 1>won numerous awards. You may have also seen him on

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<v Speaker 1>the History Channel. He was on History's Greatest Mysteries hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by Lawrence Fishburn, and also The Unexplained with William Shatner

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<v Speaker 1>hosting Today, We've got a new book to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Realm of Ice and Sky, triumph Tragedy, and History's Greatest

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<v Speaker 1>Arctic Rescue. Welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show,

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<v Speaker 1>Buddy Lovey. It's a pleasure to have you on.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Sir Ryan, great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer me this, This has been puzzling me for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of years, and make like, okay, you got more

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<v Speaker 1>you need You get too much time in your hands.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've seen a number of documentaries about polar travel

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<v Speaker 1>North Pole, South Pole and the period in time when

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<v Speaker 1>these these adventures were made, these daring trips into frozen wastelands.

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<v Speaker 1>What in the hell prompted people to want to seek

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<v Speaker 1>the polls and put their literally their lives in peril

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Did they have that bad home life

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. Well it was multi pronged really.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, part of it was initially discovery, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find out what was there, because early expeditions, we still

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what was at the top and bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Certainly, these were added to fame, fortune and

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<v Speaker 2>immortality because if you if you were the ones who

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<v Speaker 2>could discover make these discoveries, then there were lucrative book

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<v Speaker 2>tours and lecture tours, and you would also often you know,

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<v Speaker 2>become fetit in your own country. And so there was

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<v Speaker 2>also a nationalistic pride to I mean, many countries were

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<v Speaker 2>buying for the polls. So there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different reasons. But I mean, I agree, man, these were

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<v Speaker 2>such daunting expeditions that it's hard to imagine now putting

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in such.

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<v Speaker 1>Peril, it really is. That's what's always puzzled me, is

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<v Speaker 1>I said, these guys had to have hated their wives

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I mean, this is just backcraft crazy. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it was widely reported. At least I think you've solved

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<v Speaker 1>the mystery on this. Who got there first? Doctor Frederick

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<v Speaker 1>Cook claimed to have made it to the North Pole

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen o eight, and then a year later, as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, Robert Perry made the claim that he had

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<v Speaker 1>seen the North Pole first. But what did you uncover

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<v Speaker 1>in Realm of Ice and Sky, the book you've just released.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, there's been arguments about this ongoing since

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen hundreds when Cook and Perry first made

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<v Speaker 2>the claims, but subsequently their records were found to be

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<v Speaker 2>either altered or fabricated. And so when Roll Dominson the

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<v Speaker 2>Norwegian went over the Pole in an airship in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six with the Italian Umberto Noble, he made what

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<v Speaker 2>is now considered and at least I find this to

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<v Speaker 2>be true, the first confirmed reaching of the North Pole.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, you know, like I said, there was fame

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<v Speaker 2>and immortality were involved, and egos were involved, and so

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<v Speaker 2>there were lots of there was fabrication, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it ended up being this kind of ongoing argument and

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<v Speaker 2>counterclaims and it was national and international news for years

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<v Speaker 2>and years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, these were these folks that you talk about in

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<v Speaker 1>the book Roland Amindson and a Walter Wellman. They flew

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<v Speaker 1>to the North Pole in a blimp, right airship.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct. And Wellman, interestingly was an American from Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>who was the first to try and it was really

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<v Speaker 2>I liken it to the first astronauts. I mean these

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<v Speaker 2>guys were called aeronauts. And Wellman was trying this in

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<v Speaker 2>craft that were untested. In fact, nineteen oh seven, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh eight, he went up there to Spallbar, this archipelago

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<v Speaker 2>north of Norway, halfway between Norway and North Pole, and

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<v Speaker 2>gets in one hundred and eighty five foot hydrogen filled

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<v Speaker 2>dirigible or blimp we call him now, and with a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a pretty small motor on it and tries

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<v Speaker 2>to fly a thousand miles to the North Pole. And

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<v Speaker 2>what could possibly go wrong? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, these guys were you know, Wellman was

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<v Speaker 2>really really brave and he and only a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>other guys were getting into these craft which had, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, never before even been tested. I mean there

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<v Speaker 2>were they had been tested in uh, in France and

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<v Speaker 2>tested in other places, but not in the Arctic. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was really a pioneering and courageous effort that you

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<v Speaker 2>just have to marvel at the courage of these men.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know some claimed at the time courage uh

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<v Speaker 2>and suicidal tendency.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, really, it's the first thing that went through my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Untested aircraft and and and and going into frozen wastelins.

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<v Speaker 1>And I presume at times the wind had to kick

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<v Speaker 1>up pretty dramatically. So if you just got a little

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<v Speaker 1>tiny motor and you're floating around and basically what is

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<v Speaker 1>a balloon? I mean, how do you keep yourself on course?

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<v Speaker 1>Would be a question I would have before I went

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<v Speaker 1>up in the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So you're you're hoping for the winds to be

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<v Speaker 2>in your favor, and there were, you know, lots of

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<v Speaker 2>study about what the winds were doing in that part

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<v Speaker 2>of the world at these times. But you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>Wellman and his crew were buffeted or around and blown

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<v Speaker 2>in circles. And they had a number of devices that

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<v Speaker 2>they had used Wellman device to try to keep them

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<v Speaker 2>on course, including these long cables that had hooks on

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<v Speaker 2>the ends and weights, and there were you know, being

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<v Speaker 2>they were a five hundred feet long, they could help

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<v Speaker 2>keep them tethered to the ice. But again this was

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<v Speaker 2>all rather rudimentary, and for context, you know, the Wright

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<v Speaker 2>brothers in nineteen oh three had only recently been testing

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<v Speaker 2>the airplane. So one of the things I found really

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing about this story was that while Wellman was trying this,

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<v Speaker 2>the airplane and the airship were both buying for supremacy

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<v Speaker 2>of the skies, and so no one really quite knew

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<v Speaker 2>whether the airship dirigible blimp whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 2>was going to defeat the airplane, and so it was

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<v Speaker 2>a really open question. That part is quite compelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in any of these various airship of dirigible blimp trips,

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<v Speaker 1>did they land once they got to what would be

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<v Speaker 1>known as the actual North Pole or do they just

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<v Speaker 1>take photographs from above?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a really great question. Sometimes they land in unintentionally,

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<v Speaker 2>which is called crashing. But when by the time all

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<v Speaker 2>Amansen and Nobule get into the fray, it's about sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>years after Wellman, and they are able to definitively photograph

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<v Speaker 2>above the North Pole and photograph, I mean, they fly

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<v Speaker 2>all the way from Spalbard north of Norway to across

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<v Speaker 2>the polar see across the North Pole to Teller, Alaska

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<v Speaker 2>and make a kind of dramatic crash landing there though

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<v Speaker 2>they all survive, and so yeah, it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>The plan had been in a number of these expeditions

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<v Speaker 2>to try this is a great question, to try to land,

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<v Speaker 2>to try to lower people down, either from the hovering

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<v Speaker 2>craft or kind of like landing on the Moon, or

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<v Speaker 2>to land tether there and then get out and do

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<v Speaker 2>some scientific study on the ice. But conditions up there

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<v Speaker 2>were never really conducive to making intentional landings, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you do have a lot of drama in this story

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<v Speaker 2>about crash landings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it was I wanted to gravitate over to

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<v Speaker 1>a specific illustration that what is described as the disaster

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<v Speaker 1>of the Italia.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, So after Amusen and Nobela, this Italian airship

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<v Speaker 2>designer make a somewhat successful flight in twenty six for

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<v Speaker 2>National Pride. Nobila decides to do it with an almost

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<v Speaker 2>exclusively Italian crew and he makes it to the North Pole,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the way back it's incredibly like a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hurricane and wins and so they end up crashing

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<v Speaker 2>on the ice and a number of people perish. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very dramatic. The dirigible, you know, the control car sheers

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<v Speaker 2>away from the bottom of this dirigible. Many men are

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<v Speaker 2>left on the ice and the others float away above

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<v Speaker 2>them and are gone into the mist. And then Nobulay

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<v Speaker 2>and these nine other men are left on a floating

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<v Speaker 2>ice flow for about six weeks with no one knowing

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where they are. And it's really it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most dramatic rescues in archic history, and it's just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>How in the hell were they found? I mean, I presume,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, that they

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<v Speaker 1>had no way of communicating. They didn't have like two

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<v Speaker 1>way radios with the mainland or whatever, did they ah.

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<v Speaker 2>But they did so one of the men had the

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<v Speaker 2>good sense to so this is also at the time

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<v Speaker 2>that Marconi's wireless radio has been developed, and so one

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<v Speaker 2>of the men had the wherewithal to leap from the

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<v Speaker 2>crashing dirigible with a short wave two way and they are,

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<v Speaker 2>after a great deal of travail and innovation, are able

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<v Speaker 2>to get communication with first of all, with some farmer

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<v Speaker 2>in Russia, of all things. Here's their SOS communications and

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<v Speaker 2>contacts the Italian government, which sets in motion this incredible

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<v Speaker 2>rescue operation that involves it's a multi national rescue operation

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<v Speaker 2>that involves Sweden, Norway, Finland, the United States, it's Italy,

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<v Speaker 2>and all these different countries are vying to be the

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<v Speaker 2>ones to find Nola and his men, including dramatically, Rolled Aminson,

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest polar explorer of all time, who has retired

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<v Speaker 2>at this time, comes out of retirement hopson an airplane

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<v Speaker 2>to go sweep in and save his arch nemesis nobul

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<v Speaker 2>a uh, and then he ends up. It's a great,

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<v Speaker 2>really Hollywood ending. I mean, what ends up happening with

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<v Speaker 2>Nobla or with Aminson? I won't give that away, don't

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<v Speaker 2>give it. Flies He flies off, you know, with a

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<v Speaker 2>number of men in this prototype airplane, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>wild what happens?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, read all about it. I guess today, Buddy Lovey,

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<v Speaker 1>author of Realm of Ice and Sky, Triumph Tragedy and

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<v Speaker 1>History's Greatest Arctic Rescue, Before we part company, really qu

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<v Speaker 1>it's been fascinating, buddy. How is it you got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in Arctic exploration? What drew you to it as a topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great question. I ended up going to Greenland.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was doing a bunch of journalism in the

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousand and I met a Norwegian woman who

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<v Speaker 2>gave me a book called The First Crossing of Greenland

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<v Speaker 2>by this man named free Joff Nonsen, who was a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of protege of Amunsen's. And once I started reading, well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, once I went to Greenland, I was

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<v Speaker 2>so struck by the landscape, the people, that the uh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the topography, and it was just a very

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous and foreboding place. And then I thought, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I got into the started reading about these Arctic explorers

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just hooked. I couldn't stop. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>my third book about the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, well and obviously a very successful author, you are.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure my listener's going to go to get one,

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<v Speaker 1>to get a copy of rom of Ice and Sky,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've made it easy for them to do, Buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on my blog page fifty five cares dot com

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<v Speaker 1>a link to click on to buy a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>the book and enjoy it. These people were absolutely crazy, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all I can conclude. Absolutely crazy. But man, would

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<v Speaker 1>listeners of meme for putting this all down on paper. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>my pleasure. Brian really appreciate it, My pleasure. Indeed, have

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