WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.480 Welcome to the nonprofits. 2 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:03.799 Our second story this week takes us up to New 3 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.160 Hampshire where some Christians are about to be put on 4 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:09.359 Santa's naughty List. We have our man Kelly Laughlin here 5 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:10.400 to tell us all about it. 6 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:11.880 Kelly well Scott. 7 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:16.199 The Satanic Temple, in keeping with their time honored holiday tradition, 8 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.199 had been putting up boffamet displays on government properties that 9 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:23.440 are also allowing Nativity setups. 10 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:23.839 Now. 11 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.480 One such presentation in Concord, New Hampshire's capital, was invited 12 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:32.600 to be there by state Representative Helen Reid, who publicly 13 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:37.560 calls herself an agnostic. Miss Reid, in constitutional fairness, wanted 14 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:41.719 to make sure that Christianity was not the only religion represented, 15 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.840 so she invited the Satanic Temple to set up theirs. 16 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:48.119 But in an act of Christian peace and love, the 17 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:52.520 arrangement was only up for two hours before being vandalized 18 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.600 and nearly destroyed. The city didn't release a statement prior 19 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.679 to the statue being erected explaining its legal option delegations 20 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.719 for allowing the display to be erected, and even made 21 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.200 a note of saying that it would be unattended. The 22 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.079 Satanic Temple representatives have they keep preparing the exhibit. It's 23 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.879 been vandalized several times now, and though bruised and battered, 24 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.280 it still stands guard over the establishment clause in the 25 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.840 First Amendment, protecting our right to believe or not believe 26 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:25.000 in any religion. This story is from The Friendly Atheist 27 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.480 by HEIMT. Metta, December eleventh, twenty twenty four. 28 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:29.480 So, could Kelly, I want to stick with you for 29 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:32.239 a second here, could you expand on this a little bit? 30 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.239 Is do you think this kind of inner group violence 31 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:39.640 is a healthy way of interacting with other people? 32 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:41.879 No, I totally don't. 33 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.840 No shock of all shocks. 34 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.120 Yeah, yeah, I don't. And again, this is like, this 35 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.719 is coming from people who are supposed to be spreading 36 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.159 a message of love and peace, you know, So I don't. 37 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.159 I don't know how anybody could think that the are 38 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.760 going to be doing that and still commit violent acts 39 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.120 at the same time. But we see this with THEIS 40 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.599 quite often. It's it's like they believe that the ends 41 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.800 justify the means. I personally don't believe that. I think 42 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.719 if you're gonna do something that stoops you down to 43 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.599 the level of the people, that you're finding against you've 44 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.000 already lost. So yeah, I don't think I don't think 45 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:25.199 this is the way to express your feelings about this. 46 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:28.960 Let's jump over to Steven for a second. So what 47 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.560 do these tell us about the Christian mindset then? I 48 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.520 mean Kelly was talking about how you know they're they're 49 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.280 they're acting in ways that don't seem to be in 50 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.439 alignment with their professed. 51 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:41.840 Beliefs and philosophies. 52 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.879 Do you think do you think that they're just defending 53 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.199 their their beliefs. Do you think they're just defending their 54 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.159 faith or is this just basically a temper tantrum. 55 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.840 Well, like to be fair though, like this is nothing 56 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.639 compared to global genocide, and that's the model that's been 57 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:59.000 set for them, So you know, maybe maybe they're actually 58 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.479 being actually really gentle compared to what their God does. Yeah, 59 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.639 Like like for me, I when I tried to understand 60 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.560 something like this, an attack like this, I tried to see, Okay, 61 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.120 what was it fear? Was it ignorance or was it 62 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.159 privilege that that brought this about? Like if the person, 63 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.159 I think the first person, any of the people who 64 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:24.199 have been vandalizing this display actually understood what the statue represented. 65 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:27.039 Would they have still committed this crime or were they 66 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.840 just so triggered by what they assumed was an evil 67 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.960 satanic worshiper looking to get a cloven hoove into society 68 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.759 that they just needed to take a righteous stand. Like 69 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.479 what did was did their brain just like click off 70 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.360 because they didn't understand? And like, I get it. I 71 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.319 used to be there, Like I remember clearly feeling compelled 72 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:50.960 that I needed to set my friend's Ouiji board on 73 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.759 fire because I just knew. I was convinced that this 74 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.479 was satanic, this was demonic. No no, no, no, no no. 75 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.560 And she didn't let me set it on fire, thank god. 76 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.319 But I can, I can I remember that mindset. Right 77 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:05.680 on the other hand, like maybe this is just a 78 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.879 shitty display of privilege where the month of December can 79 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.599 only be about one thing, and that is the non 80 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:17.279 consensual impregnation of Israelit teenagers by authority figures, Like maybe 81 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:19.120 that is the only thing that we're supposed to be 82 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:19.959 celebrating this month. 83 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.639 I mean, isn't that what December means? Isn't that what 84 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.240 there is? That what the December translates into. 85 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.680 And I don't know, I don't know from Latin or 86 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:28.600 Hebrew or whatever. 87 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:30.279 Interesting. 88 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.079 Interesting, Let's let's jump over to Jonathan here for a second. 89 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:37.079 Jonathan to me, you know, I hear what what you 90 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:39.920 guys are saying, and I just think hypocrisy. 91 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:40.160 Right. 92 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:44.199 We hear mentions just like Kelly was mentioning about Christian love, right, 93 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.360 and it's it's said sarcastically because it's used in reference 94 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:51.079 to these acts of violence. Although, as Stephen pointed out, 95 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.000 this has scaled quite a bit back, like from things 96 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.720 that we've seen when the in the Old Testament and 97 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.519 so on. But is that what we're what we're here? 98 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.680 Is this just a backfiring Christian love or what's what's 99 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:05.399 the deal with this? 100 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.040 Well, you know they're doing it out of love for us, 101 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.079 because they don't want us to go in a direction 102 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.720 that might lead us to away from God and therefore, 103 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.959 you know, go to help so uh and you know, 104 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.800 so this way, if they keep us from going to 105 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.319 Hell where we would have fun with all our friends, 106 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.240 then and now we're going to have to hang out 107 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.360 with them, which to me is more like hell. You know, 108 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.279 it's just you know, they think they're acting in our 109 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:38.519 best interests, and that's what they're doing, and it's hypocritical 110 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.160 because they don't even know what's in our bed. They 111 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:43.120 have no way of knowing what's in our best interests. 112 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.120 This is all made up stuff in their book being yeah, 113 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.759 being soldiers of Christ. Christ wasn't a soldier, you know, 114 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.879 so you know, it's like they come up with all 115 00:05:53.879 --> 00:06:00.439 these weird, twisted views of itinerant rabbi back in the 116 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.319 two thousand years ago. But it's it's really interesting to me, 117 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.160 not just the hypocrisy, but the hypocrisy of you know, 118 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:13.480 sparing the graven images of the Nativity scene, which they're 119 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.759 not supposed to make ten commandments people, and only attacking 120 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:23.360 the graven image of Baphomet, and they left freedom from freedom, uh, 121 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:27.439 freedom from really uh freedom from Religion Foundation. The f 122 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.360 fr F display of the Bill Wrights was left alone 123 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.879 as well, So why only TSTs Well, it's a graven image. 124 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:39.120 But I guess that wasn't the reason. I'm pretty sure 125 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:39.560 it wasn't. 126 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.839 They were just I'm pretty sure it was because he 127 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:43.040 was offering an apple. 128 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:48.120 That's it. It's a temptation apple. There. It is still 129 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:49.560 I think they're trying to do. 130 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.920 Six years later, they're still pissed off about thee and. 131 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.560 It probably wasn't even an apple because apples didn't grow 132 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:03.720 in that area, so it's like, okay, whatever, that's what 133 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.120 makes it probably a pomegranate. Actually, it's just what the 134 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.839 people in Rome decided it was when they were writing 135 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.000 this shit down. So you know, it's just a sad, 136 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:18.160 sad situation, you know. But these people just generally, they 137 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.680 I think they justify it in their minds, in their 138 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:25.519 man child or woman child minds, that is that they're 139 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.120 helping us by destroying graven images and blah blah blah. 140 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.079 But what they're really doing is just showing that they're juvenile. 141 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:32.839 Well, I agree. 142 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:37.040 It's also that idea of like it was like, look 143 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:41.319 at Abraham, right, if he knew that sacrificing Isaac was wrong, 144 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.439 but God told him to do it, well, then he 145 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:48.319 doesn't have a choice now because of this authoritarian mindset, 146 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:51.439 it is right for him to kill his child. And 147 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.480 that's that's what you need religion to do. You need 148 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.959 religion to give you permission to do evil, wicked, wrong things, 149 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.079 because then you get to you know, distance your I 150 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.560 would say, well, man is God who wants it? 151 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.680 It's not me so and that way I get to 152 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:06.720 I get to do harm to people I don't like 153 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.040 because God wants it that way. 154 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.399 It's funny how that works out, Steven. I want to 155 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:13.839 stick with you here. I want you to expand a 156 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:15.759 little bit on what you were talking there. Let's let's 157 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:17.399 look under the hood a little bit here and look 158 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:21.519 into the mind of these Christians. And so, what do 159 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:25.040 you think that this this need? Because because we've seen 160 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.240 these type of things happening more and more often, this 161 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.360 type of violence in the name of love and you know, 162 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.720 torture in the name of togetherness, and you know, you know, 163 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.320 stuff like that. What do you think that tells us 164 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:39.120 not only just about about the Christian mindset, but about 165 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.000 the human mindset? Does this can we can we generalize 166 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.600 this at all to humanity? Or what do you think 167 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:49.200 is motivating this, uh, this ease with which these people 168 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:51.000 are jumping to violence? 169 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:56.519 I think I think we're in a time of shifting. 170 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.000 I think we're in a time of change and things 171 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.320 have been Well know, anybody who was alive in the 172 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:04.840 nineties and is able to look at now and look 173 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.480 at then we know that the world is changing, and 174 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.799 it is changing faster than it has ever changed in 175 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.159 the past. And I think for especially for those people 176 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:19.200 who have a very well developed i want to say amygdala, 177 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.399 the ones who are really motivated by fear like having 178 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.240 so much change, such drastic change, and especially for older 179 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.000 generations who aren't able to adapt to change as easily, 180 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.519 this can be a really scary time and they've got 181 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.799 to cling onto something and what is that going to be? 182 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.639 And yeah, if we can for them, if we can 183 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.200 get back to the good old days and to a 184 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:47.360 time that is less fraught with change, time that is 185 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.000 a bit more familiar, and if we can feel righteous 186 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.679 while we're doing it, then yeah, absolutely, of course that's 187 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.000 going to have appeal. But I think that that's one 188 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.440 of the big batteries in that engine is just this 189 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:04.200 need define stability again, because now we've got AI and 190 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.559 the Internet and mask mandates and just trans people and 191 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:12.279 suddenly like there's just so much more information. And if 192 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.759 you find that scary, then it makes sense that you'll 193 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.960 want to cling to something that is not scary and 194 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:21.039 even fight for something that is less scary. 195 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.000 So do you think that we need to watch out 196 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.159 for this type of reaction to make sure that we 197 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:26.759 don't kind of go down the same route. 198 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.159 Yeah, absolutely, Like we're fally if we think that we 199 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:35.399 are somehow immune to the stupid traps that other people 200 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.440 fall into, right, we always need to be cognizant of 201 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.440 that possibility. But luckily for some people who have that 202 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:46.720 wherewithal to be able to break free of that authoritarian 203 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.519 mindset where no, we don't need to just do what 204 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.240 we're told, we can actually think this through. Hopefully we're 205 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:57.200 also able to put that introspective lens flipped around and say, Okay, well, 206 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.440 if I'm not doing this because I'm being told to 207 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.600 do this, why am I doing this? And what is 208 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:03.240 motivating me? 209 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.360 Right? Yeah? Well said? And well said. I like, I 210 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:06.639 agree with you. 211 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.320 I think that being able to engage in self reflection, 212 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.759 I think that's the sign of a more mature mind. 213 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.200 And and but you know, I might be you know, 214 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.320 I have a biased opinion, of course, but but yeah, 215 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.399 I think that's a that's. 216 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:21.200 A sign of progress. 217 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.639 If you can if you can turn that mirror safely 218 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.360 onto yourself and and look at what and look at 219 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.879 yourself as you are, I think it's you know, I 220 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.320 think that's definitely a sign of progress. 221 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.720 And but you know, but we're still human, right, We're not. 222 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.559 We're not. Evolution doesn't move that fast. You know. 223 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.159 We're still the same basically the same uh you know, 224 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.840 walking apes that that we were, you know, ten thousand 225 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.519 years ago, and we still have those same kind of 226 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.159 urges and those same kind of. 227 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:51.279 Tendencies. 228 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.399 There's one one exception to that though, lactose intolerance has 229 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:58.240 gone away. We did make that mutation within the last 230 00:11:58.279 --> 00:11:59.279 ten thousand years. 231 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.720 All right, So so lactose good, We got that covered. Violence. 232 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.320 That's next, right, I want to have I want to 233 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.360 see the violence and tolerant people. 234 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:08.639 You know. 235 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:14.120 Yeah, I was one more thing. Remember Alvin Toffler's Future Shock, 236 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.480 the book from the nineteen seventies. A lot of what 237 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.240 he talked about in that book is what we're experiencing now. 238 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.639 That was pretty prophetic book. Actually, yeah, I thought it 239 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:25.720 was fun because this story was kind of fun in 240 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.720 a way because we got well we didn't, but the 241 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:34.559 Satanic temple got enough peep Christians upset over a freaking mannequin. 242 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.759 It was a mannequin, right that they committed sins in 243 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.720 the eyes of their own God. 244 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:41.200 You know. 245 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.000 That, That's what I think is fun about this, And 246 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.080 I think this is what you were talking about, Scott, 247 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.919 is what causes you know, a human being to go 248 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.639 against everything that they've been taught, everything that they built, 249 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.320 that they've been that they actually believe in. I'm supposed 250 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.120 to be good to people, right, and to do an 251 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.600 act of violence, to commit a crime, and I don't 252 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:07.960 know what would cause somebody to do that. It really 253 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.639 blows me away that somebody would stoop to that idea, 254 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.039 And it makes me wonder, like, what would have happened 255 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:17.240 if this wasn't the Christian God? What if it was 256 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:22.279 a god like men Hit, the Egyptian lionhitded war goddess 257 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:24.919 who wanted us to go out and massacre people. Can 258 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.480 you imagine the reaction that this would have gone would 259 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.320 have brought about if we went against men Hit, who 260 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.559 was worshiped by everybody, you know, none of us would 261 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.879 even be alive today. So it's kind of scary in 262 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.960 a way that people will throw away all their morals 263 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:46.519 to go for a better, bigger religious good, you know, 264 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.159 or what they think is a better, bigger one. 265 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.639 So, Kelly, then, do you think that the Satanic Temple 266 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.759 was being intentionally provocative? 267 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:55.000 With this. 268 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.000 You know, we talk about things like taking the high 269 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.000 road or when they go hot low, we're going to 270 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.879 go Hi. Do you think they were taking the high 271 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.320 road when or do you think they were being petty 272 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.200 and intentionally provocative and maybe even maybe even hoping for 273 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.000 this type of violence because it would get them in 274 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:11.720 the news. 275 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.960 Well, you know, that's an interesting question. I don't think 276 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.200 that they were trying to be petty. I do think 277 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.360 that they were trying to be provocative, and I think 278 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.440 they were trying to be provocative to show that, Look, 279 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.960 the government, the constitution says we're not the government is 280 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.399 not supposed to choose a religion. So when you let 281 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.360 these nativity scenes up and you're just letting them up, 282 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.360 you are choosing a religion. And that's maybe not a 283 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.360 provocative message. And maybe it didn't have to be such 284 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.759 a provocative way to get that message across. I'm kind 285 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.480 of glad it was, because, as you said, it got 286 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.799 them into the media. It got them the attention that 287 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.120 they needed, that this issue needs and deserves for people 288 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.480 to read about it, to see it in the papers, 289 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.039 to see it on TV, and to make people think 290 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.360 about it and maybe show those people who aren't hardcore 291 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:15.480 Christians that our ideals might be in danger by violent Christians. 292 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.679 Well, I mean it is pretty effective as far as 293 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:23.639 being being a tool for exposing that kind of violent tendency, because, 294 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:26.720 like you said, it's a mannequin, right, And they seemed 295 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.360 like they got that thing fixed really fast, So I 296 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.080 think they I think they were expecting it. Definitely they 297 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:33.840 did from history from. 298 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.240 The first time it was from another organization. I think 299 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.440 it's Freethinkers of what was it, Freethinkers of Ohio or 300 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:44.480 something like that, that came in and fixed it the 301 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.039 first time, but it's been several times. I think they 302 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.320 just have some money to do that. The interesting thing 303 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.000 to Another interesting thing to me though, was that we might, 304 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.639 well not interesting, we might want to turn this into 305 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:02.679 a positive by making this an annual tradition to make 306 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:08.399 a display like this and then ritually that ritually vandalize 307 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:13.440 it to remember the old days when Christians were assholes, 308 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:17.000 you know. So I mean, you know, we could turn 309 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.639 this into a satanic ritual, you know, and make it 310 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:22.279 more popular that way. 311 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:25.720 Kelly, did you have anything more to say on that? 312 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.120 Yeah, I just wanted to mention because John mentioned the 313 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:31.360 money that was. It costs money to set this up. 314 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.799 It costs money to repair it every time. I know 315 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.360 it was vandalized at least three times, right, so every 316 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.480 time it took money to read to fix it back up. 317 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:42.279 And I just want to give a shout out and 318 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.639 kudos to the people who put up that money and 319 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.679 and the time to go out there and fix it. 320 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.960 And it just goes to show you you just can't 321 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.679 keep a good man nickin down. 322 00:16:52.720 --> 00:17:00.559 All right, I'm just kidding, Steven. 323 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:01.639 I want to hear a little bit more from you. 324 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.480 I want to do you think that, I mean, what 325 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.200 would be the ideal outcome with this? Would is the 326 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.240 is the goal of the Satanic Temple too to have 327 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.400 them ban all you know, types of of these types 328 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.559 of displays, because that has happened in some places. Or 329 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.839 is it their goal to have you know, true equality 330 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:22.759 and uh you know had and open it up to 331 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:23.519 to everyone. 332 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:25.559 You know what? What? What do you what do you 333 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:28.079 think the ultimate goal is with this? 334 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.720 What do I think their ultimate goal is? And what 335 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.440 do I think the ultimate goal should be? Might be 336 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:34.880 two different things. 337 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.240 Let's hear a little bit of both. 338 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.119 I like a little bit from column a a little 339 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.240 bit from Coluin B from Steven Today. 340 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.079 Like I know that I like, I I feel like 341 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:52.480 there that I think it's wonderful if people I'm glad 342 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:57.160 that people have the freedom to display things that are 343 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.720 important to them. And if churches want to set. 344 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:02.200 Up these little scenes and. 345 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:05.400 Hey, then go right ahead. But if our government is 346 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:09.000 a religious if if our government does not support any 347 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:14.920 one religion, and and for very very specific reasons, then 348 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.599 I don't think that any of our public money should 349 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:23.400 be used to to celebrate, to promote any any religion 350 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:29.920 at all, and especially especially such a toxic, problematic religions 351 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:34.440 such as Christianity, like like like I I cannot personally 352 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:40.079 divorce the Nativity story from sexual assault like that, that's 353 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.640 that is what this story is about. And it kills me, guys. 354 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:47.799 It kills me that every year churches get the kids 355 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.480 from their congregation and say, here we go, we're going 356 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:53.960 to put on this, We're going to use these kids 357 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.759 to glorify this story that is centered around the non 358 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.400 consensual impregnation of a teenage girl. And they're like, why, 359 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.640 why why do we have to be so oblivious to this? 360 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.920 And and for our governments and for for just cultural 361 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:09.319 in general to be like, yeah, this is cool, this 362 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.720 is fine, we want to celebrate this. Like, no, if 363 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.160 you want to do that, you go ahead, but let's 364 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:17.680 draw the line. Leave my money out of this. I'd 365 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.119 much rather my money be used on I don't know, 366 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.359 feeding people, keeping people warm. 367 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.559 It's crazy, right, crazy? 368 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:28.400 So but whatever. I'm a big fan of professional sports either. 369 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:29.839 Why are we spending all our money on that? 370 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.240 Good question? And you know what gets me is high 371 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.640 school and college sports. Why are we sending spending so 372 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.720 much money on that? 373 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:42.240 I just recently understood, Like what high school football means 374 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:42.839 to you? People? 375 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:44.839 You're crazy? What are you doing? 376 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:45.839 So? 377 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.400 What did the donkeys say to the sheep? There's a 378 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:49.480 baby in my salad? 379 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.319 Boy, Kelly, you're hot tonight. You're hot tonight. 380 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.440 We got red hot Kelly Laughlin here tonight, Ladies and gentlemen, 381 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:57.640 that's awesome. 382 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:04.000 The investigator the evabalism, though, the representative got the police 383 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.039 to start looking into it. 384 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.759 So we'll tell somebody, Well, we'll see, we'll see what 385 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:08.480 happens there. 386 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.759 I just have one quick question, and whoever whoever has 387 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:13.440 an opinion on this can jump in here. 388 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:15.319 But we saw that the like. 389 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.079 We mentioned earlier that the statement the City of the 390 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.119 Conquered issued this statement that was kind of a you know, 391 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.799 a not apology kind of thing. Right, Hey, we got 392 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:26.440 to do it. We're being forced to do it. It 393 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:28.519 would be a shame if something were to happen to 394 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:32.319 this year. Do you think that that attitude from the government. 395 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.680 I mean, the government's supposed to represent the people, right, 396 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.799 But do we think that that is an indicator that 397 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.559 local governments are becoming more and more brazen and more 398 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.799 willing to take risks because the because maybe the atmosphere 399 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.119 of that kind of thing is changing. Anybody have an 400 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.240 opinion on that? Do we Is this a sign that 401 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.839