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<v Speaker 1>Now one of your pudding. I got a string going

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<v Speaker 1>on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,

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<v Speaker 1>my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over

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<v Speaker 1>the fence and he was dead. And once you hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I

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<v Speaker 1>saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what

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<v Speaker 1>are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling

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<v Speaker 1>around out here? Did you see what it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Or was it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Quice, you better New York. Hello, get somebody out here.

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<v Speaker 1>What quin on out there? I thought of a bit

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<v Speaker 1>is about ticking for nine? I don't know. Easy him

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh hey, greetings spread Alaska. Thanks for joining me today.

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<v Speaker 3>A little breezy out partly to mostly shitty. To be

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<v Speaker 3>honest with you, it is what it is. It's Alaska.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of background stuff going on as far as

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<v Speaker 3>gathering information talking to people. What I want to share

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<v Speaker 3>with you today comes from Craig and Marcy. This happened

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<v Speaker 3>approximately seven years ago. It was the first time they're

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<v Speaker 3>taking their twelve year old son, Daniel, on that distance

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<v Speaker 3>of an excursion outside of just local campground or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. So this piece of property they're going to,

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<v Speaker 3>this cabin belonged to a Craig's uncle and dad before

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<v Speaker 3>his dad passed. Since his dad passed is primarily his uncles.

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<v Speaker 3>His uncle was there quite often did quite a bit there.

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<v Speaker 3>Craig had arranged it to spend about a week out there,

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<v Speaker 3>five days to a week depending And so what they

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<v Speaker 3>would do is they leave their six wheeler, which is

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<v Speaker 3>just like a four wheeler like this, but has a

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<v Speaker 3>dump bed and another set of tires. Really good traction

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred sec. But anyway, they leave it at their

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<v Speaker 3>friend's house. From what Craig says, they jump on the wheeler,

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<v Speaker 3>they load up their stuff. They got to go through

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<v Speaker 3>a small neighborhood and then they hit this one access

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<v Speaker 3>road that goes to a particular well known lake. They

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<v Speaker 3>go along that access road and then they take off

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<v Speaker 3>from there and it's a few miles out into the

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<v Speaker 3>Boonies to get to this cabin they leave. They get

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<v Speaker 3>off the main roads and stuff. They're about a couple

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<v Speaker 3>miles into it. As they were getting ready to drop

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<v Speaker 3>down this one particular hill because at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 3>the hill opens up to a bunch of muskeke stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that they had to get through to get across to

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<v Speaker 3>the other tree line and then onto the cabin, which

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<v Speaker 3>was a few more miles after that. There was a

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<v Speaker 3>couple guys that were coming out and so being courteous,

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<v Speaker 3>he saw him coming up the hill.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard him coming up the hill, so stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Pulled off the trail so they had room to come

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<v Speaker 3>on by because they needed momentum speed coming up. As

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<v Speaker 3>soon as they got to the top, they stopped. Tell Craig,

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, hey, just be aware. There's some strange dude

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<v Speaker 3>out there. We saw earlier this morning. It was up

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<v Speaker 3>on the opposite side of the muskeg there. We tried

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<v Speaker 3>to holler at him, but he just turned away and

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<v Speaker 3>walked off in his fur coat.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't know what's up with that guy. You just be aware.

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<v Speaker 4>You got your kid with you, your wife, and just

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<v Speaker 4>be aware. Craigs, Yeah, we'll move. Be aware.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for the heads up, and the guys you know,

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<v Speaker 3>said hey have a good day whatever, and they continue

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<v Speaker 3>on their way. They dropped to the bottom and once

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<v Speaker 3>they get into the it's not open muskeg, but damn

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<v Speaker 3>near and it's huge, just big egg shape open area

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<v Speaker 3>about midpoint. So there's a little bit of a firmer

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<v Speaker 3>land that comes out onto this swampy area, this particular

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<v Speaker 3>first section. Craig was saying that they had to ride

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<v Speaker 3>the tree line around to get over to that other spot,

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<v Speaker 3>because trying to go through it was just forget about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just too trenched out and it just begging

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<v Speaker 3>to get stuck. So they go around and they're skirting

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<v Speaker 3>the tree line, and they make it around and they're

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<v Speaker 3>basically at the midway point they start into the second section.

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<v Speaker 3>It's even a longer way around if he was to

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<v Speaker 3>ride the tree line, and because of how nasty and

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<v Speaker 3>gnarly it was, he walked around back and forth trying

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<v Speaker 3>to find a good place, but it was just all

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<v Speaker 3>too much and he didn't want to risk swamping out,

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<v Speaker 3>having his son and wife stuck out in the swampyage

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<v Speaker 3>and all that kind of shit, so he opted to

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<v Speaker 3>take that long way around, which in essence tripled the

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<v Speaker 3>distance that it would have tooken if he could have

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<v Speaker 3>just shot straight across. So about three quarters of the

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<v Speaker 3>way through that part of it, off to the side

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<v Speaker 3>of the right, he said, it was just this hill.

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<v Speaker 3>This berm went up about maybe fifty feet tops at

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty steep.

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<v Speaker 4>Angle, bunch of trees on it and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>As they were coming around, he hears his son say, hey, Dad,

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<v Speaker 3>there's that man. There's that man with the fur coat.

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<v Speaker 3>He stops what he's doing. He's trying to look up

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<v Speaker 3>and see what his son's talking about. He can't see.

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<v Speaker 3>He let's go to the handlebars and gets off a

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<v Speaker 3>little ways. He's trying to look where his son's pointing,

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<v Speaker 3>and when he sees what his son is it's basically

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<v Speaker 3>is just going out of you. So he yells up there, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we're down here. I hope you're having a good day,

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<v Speaker 3>just pleasantry stuff. But there was no response, so they

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<v Speaker 3>said screw this and they continue on. Now he had

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<v Speaker 3>a shotgun on his gun rack, his wife had a

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<v Speaker 3>three fifty seven in a holster. Craig also had a

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<v Speaker 3>forty caliber Semato and a little shoulder holster rig and

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<v Speaker 3>so there was nothing tangible as a threat. So this

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<v Speaker 3>continued on their way some weirdo and was that he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't one answer, that's fine, just as long as he

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<v Speaker 3>isn't doing anything crazy, he won't have to shoot them.

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<v Speaker 3>They continue on, they get to the park where it's

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<v Speaker 3>back up.

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<v Speaker 4>Into the hard terrain. They're kicking along.

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<v Speaker 3>In this particular stretch he was saying that weaves back

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<v Speaker 3>and forth in these real slow swooping turns.

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<v Speaker 4>There's so many tree roots.

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<v Speaker 3>It's slow going because this is bem you're just constantly

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<v Speaker 3>just banging around. So it was slow going, and where

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<v Speaker 3>he could he would cut through and where other people

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<v Speaker 3>had obviously, so as they were about halfway through this section,

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<v Speaker 3>eventually it's going to open up into another smaller not

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<v Speaker 3>quite a muskeg, but open tundrip area.

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<v Speaker 4>And then once they.

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<v Speaker 3>Crossed there, there's a branch that cuts off to the cabin.

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<v Speaker 3>Just before they were out of this section of the woods,

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<v Speaker 3>his son again said, hey, there's that man in the

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<v Speaker 3>fur coat.

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<v Speaker 4>So immediately Craig's had it. He's like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 4>is this dude?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he wasn't going fast, so obviously anyone could have

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<v Speaker 3>kept up if they wanted to, so it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>they were out running it and it was something od

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. So he puts it in part. He gets

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<v Speaker 3>off and he's looking where the sun's plating and a son.

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<v Speaker 4>Points through the trees.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just the right angle to cut through all

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<v Speaker 3>these trees and he sees this figure way off in

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<v Speaker 3>the distance. Now it wasn't close at all. His son

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<v Speaker 3>had a good eye picked it out. He said it

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<v Speaker 3>was at least one hundred and twenty five yards just

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<v Speaker 3>so lined up perfectly that he could see this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was just head and shoulders and it was

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<v Speaker 4>silhouetted right.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Craig just waves like this, you know, yells

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<v Speaker 3>out a couple times, and he gets a simple kind

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<v Speaker 3>of half hearted hand up, turn and gone. So he goes, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>he acknowledged us. He gave a wave because the son

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<v Speaker 3>was commenting. Daniel was like Daddy waved. He waved, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So they continued on. Nothing of it weird all over there.

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<v Speaker 3>But as he's going along and they're coming to this

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<v Speaker 3>section where it opens up. They got across this section,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a lot harder for mour terrain. Once they

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<v Speaker 3>hit that branch across there, they can cut over the

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<v Speaker 3>cabin about a mile from there. As he gets down there,

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<v Speaker 3>it starts dawning on him, the distance this thing was,

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<v Speaker 3>this person was, and how freaking tall it was right

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<v Speaker 3>because it was. It all started as they were going along,

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<v Speaker 3>just started adding up. Wait a minute, why is this thing?

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<v Speaker 3>That thing had to be huge. And so he stops

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<v Speaker 3>in the open area and he's asking a son, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>have you been seeing that thing the whole time? And

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<v Speaker 3>the son was like, not the whole time, just here

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<v Speaker 3>and there, I'd see it behind us. That gave Craig

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<v Speaker 3>the creeps And Marcy's what the hell, and he goes,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just get to the cabin, cross that open area,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they hit the little split to where they

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<v Speaker 3>got to take it off to the cabin where his

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<v Speaker 3>uncle's cabin is. Well, when they're pulling onto the property,

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<v Speaker 3>the trail cuts off to the left real hard and

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<v Speaker 3>it wraps around like a big tear drop around the

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<v Speaker 3>cabin right, And it's meant that way for snow machine whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>if forre easier to pull around front unload all that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stuff. He pulls around, starts getting everything unloaded.

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<v Speaker 3>Marcy and Daniel are inside. They're doing their thing, getting

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<v Speaker 3>everything unloaded. Craig grabs his shotgun and he's walking the

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<v Speaker 3>back trail, just walking back. It ain't sitting with them, right,

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<v Speaker 3>this figure off in the distance and it continuing to.

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<v Speaker 4>Follow them, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So he walks back, maybe about a half mile, and

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<v Speaker 3>he let Marcy know he was going to go for

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<v Speaker 3>a walk, and he told her to be aware. And

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<v Speaker 3>as he gets about a half mile away or so,

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<v Speaker 3>he hears a sharp whistle off to his left, takes

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<v Speaker 3>a look over to his left, sees nothing. I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a real sharp piercing whistle.

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<v Speaker 4>That's odd.

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<v Speaker 3>Yells out, hey, hello, no answer, no nothing, And then

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<v Speaker 3>off to his right he hears this crash, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>crashing through the brush kind of sound, and so he

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<v Speaker 3>turns and he raises his shotgun and he's I'll shoot you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll shoot you, because he said it didn't sound like

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<v Speaker 3>a moose. They sounded to buy pedal the sound, and so,

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<v Speaker 3>not seeing anything or hearing anything further.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, screw it. Now, I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 4>out of here, y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>So he turns around and starts walking back, and every

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<v Speaker 3>once in a while he'd look over his shoulder and.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything like that. Nothing else, no other weird sounds or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets back to the cabin, tells Marcy about the

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<v Speaker 3>sharp whistle and the sound, and she goes, we'll just

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<v Speaker 3>wall stay close together and hopefully this guy doesn't pose

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<v Speaker 3>a threat to us. Yeah, I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 3>have to shoot some strange guy in the woods, and Craigs,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't either, That's the last thing I want. And

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<v Speaker 3>so they're going over their options. Marcy decides that because

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel's wound up, he's excited they're out in the woods.

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<v Speaker 4>He wants to be out in it.

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<v Speaker 3>So Marcy's with them right there on the side of

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<v Speaker 3>it's a good sixty seventy feet of clearance all the

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<v Speaker 3>and then the rest is just clear cut around. So

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel and Marcy were playing on the side. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>they're playing. And Daniel found this little strip of leather

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<v Speaker 3>Craig tolerated for all of five minutes and finally went out, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>Daniel's like, where do you want me to put?

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<v Speaker 4>Throw it in the woods. So Daniel slings it off

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<v Speaker 3>He continues doing whatever I want to play kick the

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<v Speaker 3>seek nothing around here right now, not until there's weird

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<v Speaker 4>We're not going to be hiding from each other, not

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<v Speaker 3>And so they shut that down and decided they're going

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<v Speaker 4>So they're inside. So the layout of this place when

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<v Speaker 4>And then once you step inside.

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<v Speaker 3>same as the one opposite, almost mirroring each other. Each

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<v Speaker 3>then drapes right Atlanta the midnight sun. And then right

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<v Speaker 3>you can move around it or whatever for privacy, which

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<v Speaker 3>was for use in the dead winner or the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of the night bear you're stuck inside because of bear

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. So they're in there, they're eating their lunch.

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<v Speaker 3>As they're wrapping up lunch, about an hour had passed

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<v Speaker 3>since they were outside, right, everyone faintly hears this jingle.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like, what the hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Craig immediately jumps up grabs that shotgun and goes outside

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<v Speaker 3>and figure it's that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>So he goes outside.

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<v Speaker 3>He's looking around, doesn't see nothing, and he hears the jingling.

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<v Speaker 3>So he moved and he saw the jingle bells. He

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<v Speaker 3>assum went Daniel threw it and landed on this tree.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit of movement made it jingle. No one's there,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't see anything. He didn't feel watched or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was like, oh okay, so he was able

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<v Speaker 3>to dismiss it. He was able to explain it away.

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<v Speaker 3>In his mind, everything was all good. He goes back inside,

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<v Speaker 3>so everything's calming down, and so they decide they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go out.

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<v Speaker 4>Craig's going to start the ball on fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's getting mosquito dope on and stuff like that because

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<v Speaker 4>It was about to be getting a june from what

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<v Speaker 4>he was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>So as he's out there, he's tending the fire, he's

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<v Speaker 3>getting it going good. He's just looking for any trash

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<v Speaker 3>round to throwing there and burn. And as he's doing that,

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<v Speaker 3>he hears the jingle bells again. He goes, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to drive me crazy. I'm gonna grab a

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<v Speaker 3>stick and go knock it out of the brush, just

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<v Speaker 3>so it's on the ground. I'll stomp it down to

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<v Speaker 3>where the bells don't make noise anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Screw that. I don't want that thing messing with me

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<v Speaker 4>while I'm sleeping.

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<v Speaker 3>So he finds his stick, his shotguns inside the cabin,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's got his forty caliber and his shoulder holster.

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<v Speaker 4>He walks over and he's holding his stick.

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<v Speaker 3>He found it was an old dip net poll that

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<v Speaker 3>didn't no longer have the dip net on it. So

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<v Speaker 3>he goes over and he's looking where he saw it

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<v Speaker 3>last and it's not there. And he's pushing against a

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<v Speaker 3>tree with the stick. Nothing, and he goes looking on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground and he doesn't see nothing. So he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I must have fell okay, out of side, out of mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Screw it.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes back over and at that point bringing the stuff

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<v Speaker 3>down to make smores. Right, And so while Marcy and

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel are making s'mores, Craig's just distracted. He keeps just

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<v Speaker 3>getting this weird feeling. And it's still daylight out, it

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't reached dusk yet, so he's pay attention to Marcy

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<v Speaker 3>will be right back.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes inside, grabs a shotgun.

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<v Speaker 3>He had some sable slugs and some regular one out slugs,

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<v Speaker 3>lead slugs and stuff, so we he did comebacks out

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<v Speaker 3>and eat. He loads up different slugs, had extra buckshot

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<v Speaker 3>and some other slugs in his pockets.

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<v Speaker 4>That made Marci go, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>And he goes, I just got a weird feeling, and

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<v Speaker 3>she goes, screw that. If you feel more in danger,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't need to be out here. We can make

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<v Speaker 3>these inside over a little stove or whatever. And he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, no, we should be okay, just because just

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<v Speaker 3>in case, and so Marcia reluctantly was like okay. So

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<v Speaker 3>her and Daniel are doing their best to hurry up

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<v Speaker 3>with the s'mores. Daniels, he's young, he's laughing, he's catching

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<v Speaker 3>his marshmallow on fire and shit like that, just having

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<v Speaker 3>a good time. The night carries on and Daniel's getting

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<v Speaker 3>a little tired, and so Marcy says, hey, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go put him to bed. Do you want me to

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<v Speaker 3>bring you out a cold beer? And Craig sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just bring out that small cooler. It has a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of each. Marcy had some wine coolers and he had

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<v Speaker 3>some cold beer in there, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. Well right

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<v Speaker 4>back after the East messages.

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<v Speaker 3>She comes back out with it. She sits down and

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<v Speaker 3>asks him, Hey, what's going on? Because I guess from

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<v Speaker 3>what Craig was saying wasn't present. He was focusing on

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<v Speaker 3>other stuff. As they're sitting there talking, he opens a

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<v Speaker 3>beer and she's enjoying one of her wine coolers. As

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<v Speaker 3>they're talking, way off in the distance, they both could

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<v Speaker 3>have swore they heard those jingle bells, just a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of jingles and that was it.

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<v Speaker 4>They're asking each other did you hear that? And they're

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<v Speaker 4>like yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately Craig's hair starts standing up on the back of

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<v Speaker 3>his neck. He goes, yeah, let's enjoy these inside. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>go inside. Let's enjoy this stuff inside. So they gather

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<v Speaker 3>up the little bit of stuff they had there and

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<v Speaker 3>they went inside.

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<v Speaker 4>They're in there for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>They're calming down from just letting their mind just dismiss

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<v Speaker 3>away the sound. Well, she had forgot the gram crackers

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<v Speaker 3>outside and so she was like, oh, crap, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want that to attract the bear.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you go grab him. Craigs was like, sure, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>go grab him in just a second.

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<v Speaker 3>He finishes his beer, puts it in the garbage, and

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<v Speaker 3>he goes out and he looks around and he yells back, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>where'd you leave him? And she said, they're right there

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<v Speaker 3>on the bench, like literally on the seat of the bench.

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<v Speaker 3>They weren't there. They're not here anymore. And he walks

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<v Speaker 3>back inside. Okay, well maybe she grabbed him. So they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking for him inside, can't find him again. All of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, Marcy and Craig both at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>got the ebgb's basically right.

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<v Speaker 4>What the hell?

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<v Speaker 3>And they turn around in that big window there next

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<v Speaker 3>to the wood stove, they see this dark silhouette in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Craig instantly, Hey, pulls this pistol and he starts aiming it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then this thing is gone, moves out of the

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<v Speaker 3>way of the window, instantly reholsters it, puts a little

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<v Speaker 3>clip on the top of it so it doesn't slip

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<v Speaker 3>out or whatever, grabs a shotgun and goes out. Marcy's

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<v Speaker 3>telling him stay inside, stay inside. He wasn't listening. He

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't gonna have this now. He goes out there's nothing around,

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't see nothing, looks all around, looks up on the roof,

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<v Speaker 3>looks everywhere. It's not even dust cat right, And so

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<v Speaker 3>he goes back inside, shuts the door and there's They

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<v Speaker 3>have one of those boards you can slide in for

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<v Speaker 3>an extra block, so they puts that on that particular window.

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<v Speaker 4>He starts looking and he's wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>The bottom of the window starts about three feet from

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<v Speaker 3>the floor of the cabin. The floor of the cabin

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<v Speaker 3>is roughly four to five feet off the ground outside,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're talking almost seven foot to the sill of

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<v Speaker 3>this window, the lower sill.

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<v Speaker 4>This thing was taking up most of that window.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes it roughly twelve foot tall when it was

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<v Speaker 3>wide enough to over four foot.

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<v Speaker 4>Wide to block out the whole thing from side to side. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>This thing is massive, and she goes it's bigfoot. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to understand when they turned in there, they

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<v Speaker 3>were startled. They first saw this thing, and then it

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<v Speaker 3>moved when he pulled the gun and he yelled, Daniel

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<v Speaker 3>started crying.

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<v Speaker 4>So through the mix of this, you gotta understand.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a distraught kid, Marcy trying to calm him down,

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<v Speaker 3>them trying to figure out what the hell's going on, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a little chaotic, but not too overwhelming, but

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<v Speaker 3>just chaotic. They get everything calmed down and they dig

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<v Speaker 3>ot this portable DVD player for Daniel to distract him

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<v Speaker 3>from what was going on. Now there's only the two

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<v Speaker 3>windows opposite of each other. Craig shut the blackout curtain

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<v Speaker 3>and then drew the drapes as well, and so they're

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there. It wasn't necessarily cold, but there's a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of chill in there in the cabin from being

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<v Speaker 3>in the shade, so he lit a small fire just

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<v Speaker 3>to chase the chill out of the room or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>before they went in up going to bed in a

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<v Speaker 3>few hours and whatever. He gets that going and they're

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<v Speaker 3>calming down. He enjoys another beer, and he just keeps saying, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't I don't like this. I don't like this

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<v Speaker 3>at all. I don't want to be here. And Marcy's

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<v Speaker 3>trying to talk low to where Daniel can hear him.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes, I don't want to be here either. We

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<v Speaker 3>should leave in the morning. Do we have enough daylight

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<v Speaker 3>to leave now? And so they're discussing whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>they should leave right that moment, or wait till morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Craig's sitting there doing the math, and he goes, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, we have time.

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<v Speaker 4>We have time.

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<v Speaker 3>We could get back. We could clear all the area

422
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<v Speaker 3>and still have daylight. She goes, then let's go. Enough said,

423
00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.000
<v Speaker 3>so she tells Daniel shut off. The movie gets stuff on.

424
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<v Speaker 3>So they're doing a quick pack, right, which unfortunately happens often.

425
00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:20.720
<v Speaker 3>So they left a bunch of the can goods and

426
00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.319
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that there that wasn't going to perish, a

427
00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.920
<v Speaker 3>bunch of stuff just stuffed in the garbage bag basically

428
00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.039
<v Speaker 3>because they weren't worried about that stuff. It was all contained.

429
00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.319
<v Speaker 3>They had her whatever grab everything they needed. He made

430
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<v Speaker 3>sure that the fire was out in the wood stove,

431
00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.759
<v Speaker 3>which it was just a small fire anyway. Basically, what

432
00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:39.720
<v Speaker 3>that meant was he just shut down all the air

433
00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.319
<v Speaker 3>to it. He wasn't going to pour water in the thing.

434
00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.960
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, he shuts down the stove. They gather up everything,

435
00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.480
<v Speaker 3>they get out, they jump on the six wheeler. Now

436
00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.839
<v Speaker 3>by this time Daniel's beat, and so what he does

437
00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.160
<v Speaker 3>is Craig sits in the front Daniel in between him

438
00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:55.720
<v Speaker 3>and Marcy.

439
00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.200
<v Speaker 4>He has a rifle on a rack right in front of.

440
00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.279
<v Speaker 3>The hannabars forty col and Marcy has a three fifty seven.

441
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<v Speaker 4>So they leave.

442
00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.039
<v Speaker 3>They're heading back. They're motivated. They're very motivated to get

443
00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:08.480
<v Speaker 3>out of there. There's a couple of times he was

444
00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:10.640
<v Speaker 3>going a little crazy and Marcy was like, calm down,

445
00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:12.440
<v Speaker 3>we want to live, we want to make it. It

446
00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.759
<v Speaker 3>was intermittent getting the fight or flight, going to just

447
00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:17.839
<v Speaker 3>gun in the throttle and just getting hell out of there.

448
00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.880
<v Speaker 3>They make it back to that large swamp area, and

449
00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.799
<v Speaker 3>they got a long ways around this way because that's

450
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<v Speaker 3>where they initially saw this thing the first time with

451
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<v Speaker 3>their eyes. He didn't like the thought of going towards it,

452
00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.640
<v Speaker 3>but he didn't like the thought of getting stuck out

453
00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.920
<v Speaker 3>there and being stuck there through the night with his

454
00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.319
<v Speaker 3>wife and kids, so he opted to take.

455
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<v Speaker 4>That long way around. It was quick going.

456
00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.160
<v Speaker 3>There was nothing remarkable, and they come back up to

457
00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.960
<v Speaker 3>this little spit of land in between the tundra because

458
00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.400
<v Speaker 3>that's where the trail is. When they come over that,

459
00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.039
<v Speaker 3>they have that shorter area to half moon around.

460
00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:55.839
<v Speaker 4>Then they got that hill. He starts going around.

461
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<v Speaker 3>The second area that's smaller, has a little bit of

462
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<v Speaker 3>a steeper hill, and it goes up a little bit higher, right,

463
00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.480
<v Speaker 3>little steeper, a little higher. It has less trees, it's

464
00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:07.359
<v Speaker 3>a little more broken up with the trees and stuff.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Still fairly dense, but a lot more broken up than

466
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<v Speaker 3>the other side. So as there about halfway through, he

467
00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.119
<v Speaker 3>hears Marcy and Daniel say there it is there, it

468
00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:19.039
<v Speaker 3>is there, it is. So he stops and looks, and

469
00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:21.799
<v Speaker 3>literally halfway up the hill in behind there were some

470
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.640
<v Speaker 3>aspens there where he's standing.

471
00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.400
<v Speaker 4>It's just standing there looking down at him.

472
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<v Speaker 3>It couldn't hide behind these little spin leap, fricking trees

473
00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.000
<v Speaker 3>roughly these sides, couldn't hide behind him. Was just standing

474
00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.400
<v Speaker 3>there looking down at him. And it was silhouetted to

475
00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:36.440
<v Speaker 3>where it looked. He said, you can make out that

476
00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:40.160
<v Speaker 3>it had like a grizzled brownish hair, the slight bit reddish.

477
00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't make out what color its skin was or anything,

478
00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:44.880
<v Speaker 3>but he said, the way it was standing was very

479
00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.599
<v Speaker 3>almost very tall, very robust, thick thing. And so he

480
00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.920
<v Speaker 3>grabs a shotgun, and he raises a shotgun up and

481
00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:52.839
<v Speaker 3>he takes the safety off. As soon as he clicks

482
00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.359
<v Speaker 3>that safety, that thing takes off directly away boom, And

483
00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.119
<v Speaker 3>he said it the way it was running boom boom,

484
00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.920
<v Speaker 3>you could feel it. He said, it was the most

485
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:06.440
<v Speaker 3>intimidating thing running away from him. He felt intimidated from

486
00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:09.039
<v Speaker 3>it running away, just from the impact on the ground,

487
00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.960
<v Speaker 3>how heavy this thing was, how obviously powerful.

488
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.359
<v Speaker 4>It was just very intimidating.

489
00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:17.119
<v Speaker 3>So once it's out of sight, he immediately drops that

490
00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 3>gun back down in the gunrack, leaves the safety off.

491
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.000
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to get out of there, so he drops

492
00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.200
<v Speaker 3>it down, puts one of the bunges over it, because

493
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<v Speaker 3>it has these two things that stick up on either side,

494
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<v Speaker 3>and he just rest a gun in it. Put one

495
00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:30.880
<v Speaker 3>of the bungees over so it doesn't bounce out. When

496
00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.599
<v Speaker 3>they're going up to hill. He finishes wrapping it around.

497
00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:35.480
<v Speaker 4>He gets to the bottom of the hill and he

498
00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:37.400
<v Speaker 4>has to back up a little ways and get a

499
00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.480
<v Speaker 4>little bit of a running start because it's fairly steep.

500
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.920
<v Speaker 3>It's a six wheel, so he'll make it, but he

501
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.160
<v Speaker 3>wanted a little more momentum getting at it, so that's

502
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<v Speaker 3>what he does.

503
00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:49.440
<v Speaker 4>He backs up and just guns it.

504
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Makes it up over the top, and once they get

505
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.440
<v Speaker 3>to the top, he hears a tank chain that had

506
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.119
<v Speaker 3>a small little Duffel bag that had all their silverware

507
00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.759
<v Speaker 3>in it, right, because Marcy was real potenticular about using

508
00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.160
<v Speaker 3>silverware out somewhere else. She would rather bring her own silverware,

509
00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.119
<v Speaker 3>nothing plastic, legitimate silverware.

510
00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.480
<v Speaker 4>And they kept it in this little miniature Duffel bag.

511
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.440
<v Speaker 3>It was like a little novelty Duffel bag of some

512
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.480
<v Speaker 3>kind with a sports team on it. It fell out

513
00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.039
<v Speaker 3>from the little dump gate thing and it hit and

514
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.200
<v Speaker 3>it tore the bag a little bit, so Kraike stopped

515
00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.279
<v Speaker 3>real quick. He goes out and there's some spoons and

516
00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 3>forks and stuff scattered around. So he's picking that stuff

517
00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:26.839
<v Speaker 3>up and he's dropping it back in the hole. As

518
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:28.839
<v Speaker 3>he was sitting there, tucking it under some stuff and

519
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.400
<v Speaker 3>making sure the little bungee net was covering the stuff

520
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.880
<v Speaker 3>a little better, they hear jingle.

521
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:35.400
<v Speaker 4>It was off to their left.

522
00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:38.720
<v Speaker 3>They all turn and he said, it must have been

523
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 3>about sixty feet away.

524
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 4>It was walking.

525
00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't actively shaking it, but the way it was

526
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.599
<v Speaker 3>each impact of the step, it was this jingling jingle.

527
00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:51.920
<v Speaker 3>So they watched it walk from directly in front of them,

528
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.400
<v Speaker 3>off to their left. They didn't see it standing there.

529
00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:56.039
<v Speaker 3>They don't know how long I was standing there. They

530
00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:58.119
<v Speaker 3>didn't realize it was there until they heard the jingle.

531
00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Speaker 3>They watched the walk away in shock. Immediately Craig jumps

532
00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 3>back on, says hold on, and they gun it. They

533
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.839
<v Speaker 3>take the rest of time it takes, stopping here and there.

534
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.119
<v Speaker 3>Craig would stop and make sure they're not being followed.

535
00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:12.680
<v Speaker 3>He shot some rounds into some suspect shadows, you know

536
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.039
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, because it was getting close to dusk

537
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.240
<v Speaker 3>when they were getting back to that access road, but

538
00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:19.039
<v Speaker 3>he was shooting at dark shadows. He was like, don't

539
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.480
<v Speaker 3>be following me and my family. So they got back

540
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.319
<v Speaker 3>to their friends. Their friends like whoa. And their excuse was,

541
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 3>is it just something was wrong with Marcie. She wasn't

542
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 3>feeling good. That was their cover story of the friends.

543
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.240
<v Speaker 3>They end up staying the night at their friend's house

544
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.519
<v Speaker 3>that night because they didn't want to drive from the

545
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.039
<v Speaker 3>peninsula all the way back to Anchorage. They were pretty

546
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.720
<v Speaker 3>tired from everything that was going on. They shared everything

547
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.720
<v Speaker 3>with their friend. Their friends were like, that's good to know.

548
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 3>They didn't dismiss them or anything like that. They were

549
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.839
<v Speaker 3>just like in shock, holy shit, because they know Craig

550
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.039
<v Speaker 3>and Marcy, these are professionals that they're not a bunch

551
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.559
<v Speaker 3>of weirdos in the woods. They have professional careers. They're

552
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.839
<v Speaker 3>not just about fanciful bullshit. You never know, man, you

553
00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 3>never know. You got to be aware in the woods.

554
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.039
<v Speaker 3>I want to think Craig and Marcy for sharing. I

555
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.200
<v Speaker 3>did talk to Daniel. He didn't really have much to

556
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.440
<v Speaker 3>add outside of everything because he was twelve year old.

557
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.039
<v Speaker 3>There was little things about when he was playing or

558
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.480
<v Speaker 3>whatever along the ride, where he thought he saw it,

559
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.480
<v Speaker 3>trying to keep up at different places and whatnot. What

560
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I want to share with you today comes from John.

561
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 3>This happened down about yeah, a mile outside of McCarthy

562
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 3>down Copper River Valley, back in nineteen eighty four. Going

563
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 3>back a little ways on this one, however, the thing

564
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.000
<v Speaker 3>is a lot of people they internalize these experiences and

565
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.160
<v Speaker 3>they don't really know what to do with them.

566
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 4>They really don't. So we'll get into it.

567
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.640
<v Speaker 3>John Avid Fisherman back in the day love trout fishing,

568
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 3>and this particular little lake kid go too, not very

569
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:48.960
<v Speaker 3>big big enough for some good sized trapped to grow in.

570
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 4>He's on the north.

571
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.839
<v Speaker 3>Side of the road, approximately a mile outside of mcarthy.

572
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 4>So John gets there.

573
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.839
<v Speaker 3>He came from Valdez, just taking his time, gonna go

574
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.839
<v Speaker 3>have some fun. So as he he's down there, he

575
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.880
<v Speaker 3>starts fishing. The road's right not that far behind him,

576
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 3>with this truck right there, right, So he comes down,

577
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.680
<v Speaker 3>he starts fishing away, and off to his right, approximately

578
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.880
<v Speaker 3>one hundred ish yards, he hears splashing, well, the splashing

579
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 3>he keeps hearing. He looks over and he notices rocks

580
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 3>being tossed over the alders. What the hell they assume

581
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:22.839
<v Speaker 3>there's someone messing with him. He kept trying to fish

582
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 3>for a little while and finally got fit up with it.

583
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 3>Figured someone was messing with him, someone was just giving

584
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 3>him a hard time. Figured it was a local or

585
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.200
<v Speaker 3>something like that. So he stops what he's doing and

586
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.079
<v Speaker 3>heads on into mccarth theat a little general store, and

587
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 3>he was asking about what was going on. Some of

588
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 3>the locals were talking about having aggressive bears in the area.

589
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 4>Bears don't throw rocks.

590
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, They're talking about these aggressive bears and inquiring if

591
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.880
<v Speaker 3>he was armed, and John, yeah, I got my rifle

592
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 3>in the truck, and they're just like, you need to

593
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.400
<v Speaker 3>keep it on you that type of stuff. He started

594
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 3>his day that morning. Just as he is getting ready

595
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 3>to fish, he hears some movement up on the side

596
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 3>of the mountains on the shale when he got the

597
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 3>binoculars and he's trying to find out what's making the noise,

598
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 3>but he just can't find it. He's like, all right, figure,

599
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 3>there might be the doll sheep coming down or something

600
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 3>like that. So, not saying anything, he continues on does

601
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.599
<v Speaker 3>his fishing thing. But anyway, so he's in town and

602
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 3>there's this woman that was part of this little group

603
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 3>of three. He's got an odd feeling about these three

604
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>just something was off. He couldn't pinpoint it at the

605
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.319
<v Speaker 3>time because he's a little frustrated. He thought maybe they

606
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 3>were part of the group, part of throwing the rocks

607
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.599
<v Speaker 3>and him not enjoying his fishing. This one looked particularly terrified,

608
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.319
<v Speaker 3>was John's words. She looked terrified. At the moment, he

609
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.000
<v Speaker 3>was a little frustrated, so he wasn't putting two and

610
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 3>two together. But they just kept reiterating big bears, aggressive bears,

611
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 3>stay armed. So he just stopped listening to them and

612
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 3>just went on about his way because again he was frustrated.

613
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:57.759
<v Speaker 3>He came to fish and he wanted to catch some

614
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 3>good sized trout. Go on about his way. He makes

615
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 3>his way back over there and figures, Okay, maybe since

616
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I said something, the rock doing will stop. And it's

617
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 3>been a minute or so, so you know, the fish

618
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.039
<v Speaker 3>probably calm down. Maybe I can get some good fishing in. Still,

619
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 3>as he gets back down there and he starts to

620
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 3>fish again, all of a sudden, the rocks start again,

621
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 3>but this time the rocks aren't coming over the alders.

622
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 3>The rocks are being flung through the alders with force,

623
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 3>and they're good sized rocks. Rocks, said, just some person

624
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 3>can't hurl for one, and for two, sure the hell

625
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 3>can't throw it and hurl it through the alders where

626
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 3>you're here banging off trees and just still flying through.

627
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:39.359
<v Speaker 3>It's enough force to impact the water. So he starts

628
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.920
<v Speaker 3>really getting ticked out, like what the hell. So this

629
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<v Speaker 3>goes on for a little bit and then he's overcome.

630
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<v Speaker 3>He's overcome by a sense of fear, irrational fear, what

631
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<v Speaker 3>the hell, because it's adding up.

632
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 4>No human can do this, No human can be chucking.

633
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 3>That size of a rock into the water with that

634
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 3>much force through the Alders. It was banging off of him,

635
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 3>coming ripping through. He gets just shook, is what the hell?

636
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 3>He gets so panic stricken that he didn't do anything

637
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 3>like crazy. He screws up, backed up the little rise

638
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 3>up to where his truck is parked. He throws this

639
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 3>stuff in, of course, and he digs his rifle out

640
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 3>from the back and pulls it out of the case,

641
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>shows his rifle, makes a show of having a gun,

642
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 3>and he's standing there making a show that he has

643
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.920
<v Speaker 3>a gun in the direction where the rocks and stuff

644
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 3>are coming.

645
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 4>Shots fired.

646
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 3>If a wounded bear comes barreling through, we might hear

647
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 3>a repeat of that. So he makes a show and

648
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 3>again unrealistic fear, nothing tangible, just these rocks being thrown.

649
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 4>He's just sparked this fear. So he jumps in the truck.

650
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>He's got the loaded rifle round chambered on the front

651
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 3>seat right here, right next to him. He takes off

652
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 3>down the road, but McCarthy road as a bitch, and

653
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 3>he can't get over ten miles an hour.

654
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 4>He's got to go real slow. Stay tuned for more

655
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 4>sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.

656
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 3>And so Now he's worried about that gun being loaded,

657
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 3>so he slows down. He unchambers that round, keeps it loaded,

658
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 3>but not with one in the chamber. Right closes the

659
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 3>bowl has a sitting there, and he ticks off back

660
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 3>down the road, and he's heading towards Chittin, away from McCarthy.

661
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 4>As he's going.

662
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Along this road, he keeps getting this overwhelming fear of

663
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 3>something jumping in the bed of his truck and getting

664
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 3>him through the rear window before he could get around chamber.

665
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 3>And how he's going to manipulate the gun and protect himself. Irrational,

666
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 3>irrational thoughts, irrational fear. But that was the overwhelming fear

667
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 3>the whole sixty mile drive.

668
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:47.359
<v Speaker 4>I've been down that road.

669
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Anyone who's been down McCarthy road washboard Now, this is

670
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty four, so I can only imagine the condition

671
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 3>of it then versus now. And you and squashed Bait

672
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.160
<v Speaker 3>were there last year and it took eight hours, eight

673
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 3>hours to go to McCarthy and back. We didn't mill around,

674
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>went to McCarthy, looked around, turn around and went back

675
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 3>eight hours Chittna, McCarthy back to Chittna eight hours. No bullshit,

676
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 3>crazy beat up road man. They don't give a shit.

677
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 3>So he's going as fast as he can going back

678
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:22.920
<v Speaker 3>towards Chittna, and the whole time it never faded, it

679
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 3>never slowed down.

680
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 4>It was this intense pressure of fear, like something going to.

681
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Jump in the back of the truck and he's not

682
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 3>going to be able to wheel this rifle, turn around

683
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 3>and get a shot on it before this thing rips

684
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 3>him out. And he didn't know where it came from.

685
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 3>It was rocks are being thrown. Didn't see anything, no

686
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>weird noises outside of the splashes of the rocks in

687
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 3>the water. That unknown fear man just took over. And

688
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 3>he's not a panic guy. There was nothing to be

689
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 3>scared of, not invisible, none he could see. But it

690
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 3>was this overwhelming pressure of fear, and that fear lasted

691
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 3>all the way through the chitten As soon as he

692
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 3>got across the bridge from McCarthy Road to Vietna, it's

693
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 3>still it didn't subside.

694
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 4>He thought it would, it didn't. He went all the

695
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 4>way back to Valdis.

696
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Still panic stricken in a sense, not to the verge

697
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 3>of driving to radically or anything like that, but get

698
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 3>me the hell home type of thing all the way

699
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>back to valdis that fear didn't leave him for days.

700
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Another part of this, another part of John's experience in

701
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 3>the wild is when he went to McCarthy at the

702
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 3>general store, he was asking about Barstone rocks, just in passing.

703
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 4>It was just a stupid question or whatever.

704
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>So he's and what we'll just say, a remote village

705
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 3>outside of Valdis.

706
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 4>He's doing contracting work.

707
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 3>They're doing upgrades to a certain infrastructure in this village,

708
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 3>part of a contract, and he was just a laborer

709
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 3>or a worker.

710
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 4>So he was at this job.

711
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 3>All these native elders are coming into their dining ten

712
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 3>or whatever and loading up on the meal and whatever.

713
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>So he figured, hey, man, this might be a good

714
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 3>time to ask one of these elders about out bearstor

715
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 3>On rocks. Just hey, you ever hear Burston rocks. So

716
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.480
<v Speaker 3>he walks over to the There's a table of these guys,

717
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 3>let's say four or five of them, and obviously elders

718
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 3>in the community, highly respected. He goes over and asks them,

719
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 3>hey you ever hear Barston rocks. None of them respond

720
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 3>to them, They don't give him a look, they don't respond,

721
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.799
<v Speaker 3>and they'll immediately take their plates and they leave the tent.

722
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 4>So, okay, I'm sorry for asking whatever.

723
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 3>One of the younger guys on the crew, native guy

724
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 3>from the village, he was basically told, hey, go to town

725
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.799
<v Speaker 3>for us, because weekends coming. It was like a Friday

726
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 3>go to town, go get us our whiskey kind of

727
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 3>thing for everyone else in the village.

728
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 4>And he's, hey, John, you got to come with me.

729
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 4>So John, okay, So John goes with him.

730
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 3>The young native guy commitsis telling them that, hey, you

731
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 3>don't have a job, you can't go back to the

732
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 3>village because you're a bad omen. You're talking about things

733
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.640
<v Speaker 3>you don't know about. They're viewing you as the one

734
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 3>that's going to bring a bad omen to them because

735
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about it. And he was like a bar

736
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 3>thrown rocks and the young guy, the young kid was like, no,

737
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 3>the Harryman bigfoot sasquatch. And he was like what because

738
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 3>he didn't have it in his wheelhouse, like this big

739
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 3>foot Harryman.

740
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't there.

741
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 3>So kid tells him, wh they're in Valadez and is

742
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff is still back across He ends up

743
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>going back with the kid right his boss is told

744
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 3>he can't be here, he has to leave. So his

745
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 3>boss has to bring in another guy, and it won't

746
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 3>be until the following Friday. So John's stuck there, basically

747
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 3>being the pariah of this small Native village, the bringer

748
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.000
<v Speaker 3>of a bad omen on this project. And he was

749
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 3>just trying to make money. This is back in the

750
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.360
<v Speaker 3>mid eighties, is just trying to make money.

751
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 4>So he was stuck. His boss brings in his.

752
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Son, and so his son flies in on a charter

753
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 3>of the following week and John hops on and gets out.

754
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it touches on a couple of things there,

755
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.280
<v Speaker 3>because you got the unknown, fear, unnatural, there's nothing tangible

756
00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 3>to just sit there and go, oh, I'm scared because

757
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 3>of this. I'm scared because that it's not that, it's

758
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 3>not that kind of get down. Then on the flip side,

759
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 3>the poor guy, poor John, he goes this village innocent, hey,

760
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 3>to bearstow rocks. You ever hear this instant Priya instantly

761
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 3>shunned by everyone of prominence in that village.

762
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 4>The poor guy.

763
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine you're just a young guy, you go

764
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>for a job and you just hey, guys, bear.

765
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 4>Throwing rocks instantly cut off.

766
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 3>It's horrible. But to me, I guess I got twisted.

767
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a humor, just that kind of It's just so

768
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 3>jacked up, man. But the superstition, man, it runs deep

769
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 3>in the native communities.

770
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.239
<v Speaker 4>I can't express that enough.

771
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.800
<v Speaker 3>The fact that elders choose to talk to me and

772
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 3>villagers choose to talk to me is a blessing man,

773
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's different.

774
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 4>It's a different world.

775
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 3>And if you guys could hear the things I've heard

776
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 3>as far as what some of these villagers share with

777
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 3>me the wider world, just be in shock. Just be

778
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 3>in shock. I want to thank John for reaching out

779
00:35:57.719 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 3>and being patient. This has been something to work.

780
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 4>Works, but I've had stuff going on in the background,

781
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 4>just life and other stuff.

782
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Watch more to come again. Thank you to John. Shout

783
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 3>out to squatch Bait. Have my back out in the wood.

784
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Same with Isaac. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, man, Alaska's what

785
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.719
<v Speaker 3>Alaska's so wild. Thank you guys for joining me. We'll

786
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 3>catch you guys on the next one.

787
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 5>They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

788
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to be.

789
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 6>World oppen.

790
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 7>Joy this job every day. Came in ricket back, cricket bags,

791
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 7>for joy, for me, joy staying right, you come in.

792
00:37:10.760 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 6>Right away, Still still stay, said Stills.

793
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>As Baste stake place, US states gainst US

794
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 6>Pass
