Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus Quice, you better New York. Hello, get somebody out here.
Speaker 1: What quin on out there? I thought of a bit
Speaker 1: is about ticking for nine? I don't know. Easy him
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady.
Speaker 3: Oh hey, greetings spread Alaska. Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 3: A little breezy out partly to mostly shitty. To be
Speaker 3: honest with you, it is what it is. It's Alaska.
Speaker 3: A lot of background stuff going on as far as
Speaker 3: gathering information talking to people. What I want to share
Speaker 3: with you today comes from Craig and Marcy. This happened
Speaker 3: approximately seven years ago. It was the first time they're
Speaker 3: taking their twelve year old son, Daniel, on that distance
Speaker 3: of an excursion outside of just local campground or something
Speaker 3: like that. So this piece of property they're going to,
Speaker 3: this cabin belonged to a Craig's uncle and dad before
Speaker 3: his dad passed. Since his dad passed is primarily his uncles.
Speaker 3: His uncle was there quite often did quite a bit there.
Speaker 3: Craig had arranged it to spend about a week out there,
Speaker 3: five days to a week depending And so what they
Speaker 3: would do is they leave their six wheeler, which is
Speaker 3: just like a four wheeler like this, but has a
Speaker 3: dump bed and another set of tires. Really good traction
Speaker 3: six hundred sec. But anyway, they leave it at their
Speaker 3: friend's house. From what Craig says, they jump on the wheeler,
Speaker 3: they load up their stuff. They got to go through
Speaker 3: a small neighborhood and then they hit this one access
Speaker 3: road that goes to a particular well known lake. They
Speaker 3: go along that access road and then they take off
Speaker 3: from there and it's a few miles out into the
Speaker 3: Boonies to get to this cabin they leave. They get
Speaker 3: off the main roads and stuff. They're about a couple
Speaker 3: miles into it. As they were getting ready to drop
Speaker 3: down this one particular hill because at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the hill opens up to a bunch of muskeke stuff
Speaker 3: that they had to get through to get across to
Speaker 3: the other tree line and then onto the cabin, which
Speaker 3: was a few more miles after that. There was a
Speaker 3: couple guys that were coming out and so being courteous,
Speaker 3: he saw him coming up the hill.
Speaker 4: I heard him coming up the hill, so stop.
Speaker 3: Pulled off the trail so they had room to come
Speaker 3: on by because they needed momentum speed coming up. As
Speaker 3: soon as they got to the top, they stopped. Tell Craig,
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, just be aware. There's some strange dude
Speaker 3: out there. We saw earlier this morning. It was up
Speaker 3: on the opposite side of the muskeg there. We tried
Speaker 3: to holler at him, but he just turned away and
Speaker 3: walked off in his fur coat.
Speaker 4: Don't know what's up with that guy. You just be aware.
Speaker 4: You got your kid with you, your wife, and just
Speaker 4: be aware. Craigs, Yeah, we'll move. Be aware.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the heads up, and the guys you know,
Speaker 3: said hey have a good day whatever, and they continue
Speaker 3: on their way. They dropped to the bottom and once
Speaker 3: they get into the it's not open muskeg, but damn
Speaker 3: near and it's huge, just big egg shape open area
Speaker 3: about midpoint. So there's a little bit of a firmer
Speaker 3: land that comes out onto this swampy area, this particular
Speaker 3: first section. Craig was saying that they had to ride
Speaker 3: the tree line around to get over to that other spot,
Speaker 3: because trying to go through it was just forget about it.
Speaker 3: It was just too trenched out and it just begging
Speaker 3: to get stuck. So they go around and they're skirting
Speaker 3: the tree line, and they make it around and they're
Speaker 3: basically at the midway point they start into the second section.
Speaker 3: It's even a longer way around if he was to
Speaker 3: ride the tree line, and because of how nasty and
Speaker 3: gnarly it was, he walked around back and forth trying
Speaker 3: to find a good place, but it was just all
Speaker 3: too much and he didn't want to risk swamping out,
Speaker 3: having his son and wife stuck out in the swampyage
Speaker 3: and all that kind of shit, so he opted to
Speaker 3: take that long way around, which in essence tripled the
Speaker 3: distance that it would have tooken if he could have
Speaker 3: just shot straight across. So about three quarters of the
Speaker 3: way through that part of it, off to the side
Speaker 3: of the right, he said, it was just this hill.
Speaker 3: This berm went up about maybe fifty feet tops at
Speaker 3: a pretty steep.
Speaker 4: Angle, bunch of trees on it and whatnot.
Speaker 3: As they were coming around, he hears his son say, hey, Dad,
Speaker 3: there's that man. There's that man with the fur coat.
Speaker 3: He stops what he's doing. He's trying to look up
Speaker 3: and see what his son's talking about. He can't see.
Speaker 3: He let's go to the handlebars and gets off a
Speaker 3: little ways. He's trying to look where his son's pointing,
Speaker 3: and when he sees what his son is it's basically
Speaker 3: is just going out of you. So he yells up there, hey,
Speaker 3: we're down here. I hope you're having a good day,
Speaker 3: just pleasantry stuff. But there was no response, so they
Speaker 3: said screw this and they continue on. Now he had
Speaker 3: a shotgun on his gun rack, his wife had a
Speaker 3: three fifty seven in a holster. Craig also had a
Speaker 3: forty caliber Semato and a little shoulder holster rig and
Speaker 3: so there was nothing tangible as a threat. So this
Speaker 3: continued on their way some weirdo and was that he
Speaker 3: doesn't one answer, that's fine, just as long as he
Speaker 3: isn't doing anything crazy, he won't have to shoot them.
Speaker 3: They continue on, they get to the park where it's
Speaker 3: back up.
Speaker 4: Into the hard terrain. They're kicking along.
Speaker 3: In this particular stretch he was saying that weaves back
Speaker 3: and forth in these real slow swooping turns.
Speaker 4: There's so many tree roots.
Speaker 3: It's slow going because this is bem you're just constantly
Speaker 3: just banging around. So it was slow going, and where
Speaker 3: he could he would cut through and where other people
Speaker 3: had obviously, so as they were about halfway through this section,
Speaker 3: eventually it's going to open up into another smaller not
Speaker 3: quite a muskeg, but open tundrip area.
Speaker 4: And then once they.
Speaker 3: Crossed there, there's a branch that cuts off to the cabin.
Speaker 3: Just before they were out of this section of the woods,
Speaker 3: his son again said, hey, there's that man in the
Speaker 3: fur coat.
Speaker 4: So immediately Craig's had it. He's like, what the hell
Speaker 4: is this dude?
Speaker 3: Because he wasn't going fast, so obviously anyone could have
Speaker 3: kept up if they wanted to, so it wasn't like
Speaker 3: they were out running it and it was something od
Speaker 3: or anything. So he puts it in part. He gets
Speaker 3: off and he's looking where the sun's plating and a son.
Speaker 4: Points through the trees.
Speaker 3: It was just the right angle to cut through all
Speaker 3: these trees and he sees this figure way off in
Speaker 3: the distance. Now it wasn't close at all. His son
Speaker 3: had a good eye picked it out. He said it
Speaker 3: was at least one hundred and twenty five yards just
Speaker 3: so lined up perfectly that he could see this thing.
Speaker 4: But it was just head and shoulders and it was
Speaker 4: silhouetted right.
Speaker 3: And so Craig just waves like this, you know, yells
Speaker 3: out a couple times, and he gets a simple kind
Speaker 3: of half hearted hand up, turn and gone. So he goes, okay,
Speaker 3: he acknowledged us. He gave a wave because the son
Speaker 3: was commenting. Daniel was like Daddy waved. He waved, okay.
Speaker 3: So they continued on. Nothing of it weird all over there.
Speaker 3: But as he's going along and they're coming to this
Speaker 3: section where it opens up. They got across this section,
Speaker 3: which is a lot harder for mour terrain. Once they
Speaker 3: hit that branch across there, they can cut over the
Speaker 3: cabin about a mile from there. As he gets down there,
Speaker 3: it starts dawning on him, the distance this thing was,
Speaker 3: this person was, and how freaking tall it was right
Speaker 3: because it was. It all started as they were going along,
Speaker 3: just started adding up. Wait a minute, why is this thing?
Speaker 3: That thing had to be huge. And so he stops
Speaker 3: in the open area and he's asking a son, Hey,
Speaker 3: have you been seeing that thing the whole time? And
Speaker 3: the son was like, not the whole time, just here
Speaker 3: and there, I'd see it behind us. That gave Craig
Speaker 3: the creeps And Marcy's what the hell, and he goes,
Speaker 3: let's just get to the cabin, cross that open area,
Speaker 3: and then they hit the little split to where they
Speaker 3: got to take it off to the cabin where his
Speaker 3: uncle's cabin is. Well, when they're pulling onto the property,
Speaker 3: the trail cuts off to the left real hard and
Speaker 3: it wraps around like a big tear drop around the
Speaker 3: cabin right, And it's meant that way for snow machine whatever,
Speaker 3: if forre easier to pull around front unload all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. He pulls around, starts getting everything unloaded.
Speaker 3: Marcy and Daniel are inside. They're doing their thing, getting
Speaker 3: everything unloaded. Craig grabs his shotgun and he's walking the
Speaker 3: back trail, just walking back. It ain't sitting with them, right,
Speaker 3: this figure off in the distance and it continuing to.
Speaker 4: Follow them, right.
Speaker 3: So he walks back, maybe about a half mile, and
Speaker 3: he let Marcy know he was going to go for
Speaker 3: a walk, and he told her to be aware. And
Speaker 3: as he gets about a half mile away or so,
Speaker 3: he hears a sharp whistle off to his left, takes
Speaker 3: a look over to his left, sees nothing. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: that was a real sharp piercing whistle.
Speaker 4: That's odd.
Speaker 3: Yells out, hey, hello, no answer, no nothing, And then
Speaker 3: off to his right he hears this crash, kind of
Speaker 3: crashing through the brush kind of sound, and so he
Speaker 3: turns and he raises his shotgun and he's I'll shoot you.
Speaker 3: I'll shoot you, because he said it didn't sound like
Speaker 3: a moose. They sounded to buy pedal the sound, and so,
Speaker 3: not seeing anything or hearing anything further.
Speaker 4: He was like, screw it. Now, I'm going to get
Speaker 4: out of here, y'all.
Speaker 3: So he turns around and starts walking back, and every
Speaker 3: once in a while he'd look over his shoulder and.
Speaker 4: Everything like that. Nothing else, no other weird sounds or anything.
Speaker 3: He gets back to the cabin, tells Marcy about the
Speaker 3: sharp whistle and the sound, and she goes, we'll just
Speaker 3: wall stay close together and hopefully this guy doesn't pose
Speaker 3: a threat to us. Yeah, I don't want you to
Speaker 3: have to shoot some strange guy in the woods, and Craigs,
Speaker 3: I don't either, That's the last thing I want. And
Speaker 3: so they're going over their options. Marcy decides that because
Speaker 3: Daniel's wound up, he's excited they're out in the woods.
Speaker 4: He wants to be out in it.
Speaker 3: So Marcy's with them right there on the side of
Speaker 3: the cabin while Craig's finishing up some stuff inside. From
Speaker 3: what Craig was explaining from on either side of the cab,
Speaker 3: it's a good sixty seventy feet of clearance all the
Speaker 3: way around this thing for fire reasons. Right, there's no
Speaker 3: shrubs left, it's cut down all the way around. There's
Speaker 3: no trees here or there, none of that. So when
Speaker 3: you're standing on the steps of this cabin looking out,
Speaker 3: just down below is a small pond, not quite big
Speaker 3: enough to be a lake. Just down this little drop
Speaker 3: mountains off through the brush just off over here to
Speaker 3: the right a little bit. But there's a fire pit
Speaker 3: about midway between the cabin and the tree line, and
Speaker 3: it's a good sized fire pit with a couple benches
Speaker 3: by it for entertaining or just sitting out by the fire,
Speaker 3: and then the rest is just clear cut around. So
Speaker 3: Daniel and Marcy were playing on the side. If you're
Speaker 3: facing the cabin, it would be to the left side
Speaker 3: they're playing. And Daniel found this little strip of leather
Speaker 3: and had three jingle bells on it, and he was
Speaker 3: just laying just jiggling around.
Speaker 4: It was annoying as hell.
Speaker 3: Craig tolerated for all of five minutes and finally went out, hey,
Speaker 3: bell's got to go.
Speaker 4: Daniel's like, where do you want me to put?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 4: Throw it in the woods. So Daniel slings it off
Speaker 4: into the brush, thought nothing more of it.
Speaker 3: He continues doing whatever I want to play kick the
Speaker 3: can with Marcia, and Marcia's we're not playing hide and
Speaker 3: seek nothing around here right now, not until there's weird
Speaker 3: stuff going on with strangers.
Speaker 4: We're not going to be hiding from each other, not
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: And so they shut that down and decided they're going
Speaker 3: to go in and have a real late lunch.
Speaker 4: So they're inside. So the layout of this place when
Speaker 4: you go in the door, immediately to your right is
Speaker 4: an old blaze kingwood stove window next to that which
Speaker 4: was like a big four foot square salvage from somewhere another.
Speaker 4: And then once you step inside.
Speaker 3: The door, there's like three foot by four foot almost
Speaker 3: same as the one opposite, almost mirroring each other. Each
Speaker 3: set of windows had blackout curtains on the inside and
Speaker 3: then drapes right Atlanta the midnight sun. And then right
Speaker 3: beside that is a small table, a counter. There's a
Speaker 3: counter on the opposite side, and then a bunk in
Speaker 3: the back. There's a comp post toilet back over in
Speaker 3: the corner with one of those little accordion blind things
Speaker 3: you can move around it or whatever for privacy, which
Speaker 3: was for use in the dead winner or the middle
Speaker 3: of the night bear you're stuck inside because of bear
Speaker 3: or whatever. So they're in there, they're eating their lunch.
Speaker 3: As they're wrapping up lunch, about an hour had passed
Speaker 3: since they were outside, right, everyone faintly hears this jingle.
Speaker 4: They're like, what the hell.
Speaker 3: Craig immediately jumps up grabs that shotgun and goes outside
Speaker 3: and figure it's that guy.
Speaker 4: So he goes outside.
Speaker 3: He's looking around, doesn't see nothing, and he hears the jingling.
Speaker 3: So he moved and he saw the jingle bells. He
Speaker 3: assum went Daniel threw it and landed on this tree.
Speaker 3: A little bit of movement made it jingle. No one's there,
Speaker 3: he didn't see anything. He didn't feel watched or anything.
Speaker 3: So it was like, oh okay, so he was able
Speaker 3: to dismiss it. He was able to explain it away.
Speaker 3: In his mind, everything was all good. He goes back inside,
Speaker 3: so everything's calming down, and so they decide they're going
Speaker 3: to go out.
Speaker 4: Craig's going to start the ball on fire.
Speaker 3: Everyone's getting mosquito dope on and stuff like that because
Speaker 3: the mosquitos are pretty thick.
Speaker 4: It was about to be getting a june from what
Speaker 4: he was saying.
Speaker 3: So as he's out there, he's tending the fire, he's
Speaker 3: getting it going good. He's just looking for any trash
Speaker 3: round to throwing there and burn. And as he's doing that,
Speaker 3: he hears the jingle bells again. He goes, you know what,
Speaker 3: that's going to drive me crazy. I'm gonna grab a
Speaker 3: stick and go knock it out of the brush, just
Speaker 3: so it's on the ground. I'll stomp it down to
Speaker 3: where the bells don't make noise anymore.
Speaker 4: Screw that. I don't want that thing messing with me
Speaker 4: while I'm sleeping.
Speaker 3: So he finds his stick, his shotguns inside the cabin,
Speaker 3: but he's got his forty caliber and his shoulder holster.
Speaker 4: He walks over and he's holding his stick.
Speaker 3: He found it was an old dip net poll that
Speaker 3: didn't no longer have the dip net on it. So
Speaker 3: he goes over and he's looking where he saw it
Speaker 3: last and it's not there. And he's pushing against a
Speaker 3: tree with the stick. Nothing, and he goes looking on
Speaker 3: the ground and he doesn't see nothing. So he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I must have fell okay, out of side, out of mind.
Speaker 4: Screw it.
Speaker 3: Goes back over and at that point bringing the stuff
Speaker 3: down to make smores. Right, And so while Marcy and
Speaker 3: Daniel are making s'mores, Craig's just distracted. He keeps just
Speaker 3: getting this weird feeling. And it's still daylight out, it
Speaker 3: hasn't reached dusk yet, so he's pay attention to Marcy
Speaker 3: will be right back.
Speaker 4: He goes inside, grabs a shotgun.
Speaker 3: He had some sable slugs and some regular one out slugs,
Speaker 3: lead slugs and stuff, so we he did comebacks out
Speaker 3: and eat. He loads up different slugs, had extra buckshot
Speaker 3: and some other slugs in his pockets.
Speaker 4: That made Marci go, what's going on?
Speaker 3: And he goes, I just got a weird feeling, and
Speaker 3: she goes, screw that. If you feel more in danger,
Speaker 3: we don't need to be out here. We can make
Speaker 3: these inside over a little stove or whatever. And he
Speaker 3: was like, no, we should be okay, just because just
Speaker 3: in case, and so Marcia reluctantly was like okay. So
Speaker 3: her and Daniel are doing their best to hurry up
Speaker 3: with the s'mores. Daniels, he's young, he's laughing, he's catching
Speaker 3: his marshmallow on fire and shit like that, just having
Speaker 3: a good time. The night carries on and Daniel's getting
Speaker 3: a little tired, and so Marcy says, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go put him to bed. Do you want me to
Speaker 3: bring you out a cold beer? And Craig sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: just bring out that small cooler. It has a couple
Speaker 3: of each. Marcy had some wine coolers and he had
Speaker 3: some cold beer in there, and.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. Well right
Speaker 4: back after the East messages.
Speaker 3: She comes back out with it. She sits down and
Speaker 3: asks him, Hey, what's going on? Because I guess from
Speaker 3: what Craig was saying wasn't present. He was focusing on
Speaker 3: other stuff. As they're sitting there talking, he opens a
Speaker 3: beer and she's enjoying one of her wine coolers. As
Speaker 3: they're talking, way off in the distance, they both could
Speaker 3: have swore they heard those jingle bells, just a couple
Speaker 3: of jingles and that was it.
Speaker 4: They're asking each other did you hear that? And they're
Speaker 4: like yeah.
Speaker 3: Immediately Craig's hair starts standing up on the back of
Speaker 3: his neck. He goes, yeah, let's enjoy these inside. Let's
Speaker 3: go inside. Let's enjoy this stuff inside. So they gather
Speaker 3: up the little bit of stuff they had there and
Speaker 3: they went inside.
Speaker 4: They're in there for a little bit.
Speaker 3: They're calming down from just letting their mind just dismiss
Speaker 3: away the sound. Well, she had forgot the gram crackers
Speaker 3: outside and so she was like, oh, crap, I don't
Speaker 3: want that to attract the bear.
Speaker 4: Can you go grab him. Craigs was like, sure, I'll
Speaker 4: go grab him in just a second.
Speaker 3: He finishes his beer, puts it in the garbage, and
Speaker 3: he goes out and he looks around and he yells back, Hey,
Speaker 3: where'd you leave him? And she said, they're right there
Speaker 3: on the bench, like literally on the seat of the bench.
Speaker 3: They weren't there. They're not here anymore. And he walks
Speaker 3: back inside. Okay, well maybe she grabbed him. So they're
Speaker 3: looking for him inside, can't find him again. All of
Speaker 3: a sudden, Marcy and Craig both at the same time,
Speaker 3: got the ebgb's basically right.
Speaker 4: What the hell?
Speaker 3: And they turn around in that big window there next
Speaker 3: to the wood stove, they see this dark silhouette in it.
Speaker 3: Craig instantly, Hey, pulls this pistol and he starts aiming it,
Speaker 3: and then this thing is gone, moves out of the
Speaker 3: way of the window, instantly reholsters it, puts a little
Speaker 3: clip on the top of it so it doesn't slip
Speaker 3: out or whatever, grabs a shotgun and goes out. Marcy's
Speaker 3: telling him stay inside, stay inside. He wasn't listening. He
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna have this now. He goes out there's nothing around,
Speaker 3: couldn't see nothing, looks all around, looks up on the roof,
Speaker 3: looks everywhere. It's not even dust cat right, And so
Speaker 3: he goes back inside, shuts the door and there's They
Speaker 3: have one of those boards you can slide in for
Speaker 3: an extra block, so they puts that on that particular window.
Speaker 4: He starts looking and he's wait a minute.
Speaker 3: The bottom of the window starts about three feet from
Speaker 3: the floor of the cabin. The floor of the cabin
Speaker 3: is roughly four to five feet off the ground outside,
Speaker 3: so you're talking almost seven foot to the sill of
Speaker 3: this window, the lower sill.
Speaker 4: This thing was taking up most of that window.
Speaker 3: It makes it roughly twelve foot tall when it was
Speaker 3: wide enough to over four foot.
Speaker 4: Wide to block out the whole thing from side to side. Whatever.
Speaker 3: This thing is massive, and she goes it's bigfoot. Now,
Speaker 3: you got to understand when they turned in there, they
Speaker 3: were startled. They first saw this thing, and then it
Speaker 3: moved when he pulled the gun and he yelled, Daniel
Speaker 3: started crying.
Speaker 4: So through the mix of this, you gotta understand.
Speaker 3: There's a distraught kid, Marcy trying to calm him down,
Speaker 3: them trying to figure out what the hell's going on, right,
Speaker 3: So it's a little chaotic, but not too overwhelming, but
Speaker 3: just chaotic. They get everything calmed down and they dig
Speaker 3: ot this portable DVD player for Daniel to distract him
Speaker 3: from what was going on. Now there's only the two
Speaker 3: windows opposite of each other. Craig shut the blackout curtain
Speaker 3: and then drew the drapes as well, and so they're
Speaker 3: sitting there. It wasn't necessarily cold, but there's a little
Speaker 3: bit of chill in there in the cabin from being
Speaker 3: in the shade, so he lit a small fire just
Speaker 3: to chase the chill out of the room or whatever
Speaker 3: before they went in up going to bed in a
Speaker 3: few hours and whatever. He gets that going and they're
Speaker 3: calming down. He enjoys another beer, and he just keeps saying, man,
Speaker 3: I can't I don't like this. I don't like this
Speaker 3: at all. I don't want to be here. And Marcy's
Speaker 3: trying to talk low to where Daniel can hear him.
Speaker 3: She goes, I don't want to be here either. We
Speaker 3: should leave in the morning. Do we have enough daylight
Speaker 3: to leave now? And so they're discussing whether or not
Speaker 3: they should leave right that moment, or wait till morning.
Speaker 3: Craig's sitting there doing the math, and he goes, you
Speaker 3: know what, we have time.
Speaker 4: We have time.
Speaker 3: We could get back. We could clear all the area
Speaker 3: and still have daylight. She goes, then let's go. Enough said,
Speaker 3: so she tells Daniel shut off. The movie gets stuff on.
Speaker 3: So they're doing a quick pack, right, which unfortunately happens often.
Speaker 3: So they left a bunch of the can goods and
Speaker 3: stuff like that there that wasn't going to perish, a
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff just stuffed in the garbage bag basically
Speaker 3: because they weren't worried about that stuff. It was all contained.
Speaker 3: They had her whatever grab everything they needed. He made
Speaker 3: sure that the fire was out in the wood stove,
Speaker 3: which it was just a small fire anyway. Basically, what
Speaker 3: that meant was he just shut down all the air
Speaker 3: to it. He wasn't going to pour water in the thing.
Speaker 3: So anyway, he shuts down the stove. They gather up everything,
Speaker 3: they get out, they jump on the six wheeler. Now
Speaker 3: by this time Daniel's beat, and so what he does
Speaker 3: is Craig sits in the front Daniel in between him
Speaker 3: and Marcy.
Speaker 4: He has a rifle on a rack right in front of.
Speaker 3: The hannabars forty col and Marcy has a three fifty seven.
Speaker 4: So they leave.
Speaker 3: They're heading back. They're motivated. They're very motivated to get
Speaker 3: out of there. There's a couple of times he was
Speaker 3: going a little crazy and Marcy was like, calm down,
Speaker 3: we want to live, we want to make it. It
Speaker 3: was intermittent getting the fight or flight, going to just
Speaker 3: gun in the throttle and just getting hell out of there.
Speaker 3: They make it back to that large swamp area, and
Speaker 3: they got a long ways around this way because that's
Speaker 3: where they initially saw this thing the first time with
Speaker 3: their eyes. He didn't like the thought of going towards it,
Speaker 3: but he didn't like the thought of getting stuck out
Speaker 3: there and being stuck there through the night with his
Speaker 3: wife and kids, so he opted to take.
Speaker 4: That long way around. It was quick going.
Speaker 3: There was nothing remarkable, and they come back up to
Speaker 3: this little spit of land in between the tundra because
Speaker 3: that's where the trail is. When they come over that,
Speaker 3: they have that shorter area to half moon around.
Speaker 4: Then they got that hill. He starts going around.
Speaker 3: The second area that's smaller, has a little bit of
Speaker 3: a steeper hill, and it goes up a little bit higher, right,
Speaker 3: little steeper, a little higher. It has less trees, it's
Speaker 3: a little more broken up with the trees and stuff.
Speaker 3: Still fairly dense, but a lot more broken up than
Speaker 3: the other side. So as there about halfway through, he
Speaker 3: hears Marcy and Daniel say there it is there, it
Speaker 3: is there, it is. So he stops and looks, and
Speaker 3: literally halfway up the hill in behind there were some
Speaker 3: aspens there where he's standing.
Speaker 4: It's just standing there looking down at him.
Speaker 3: It couldn't hide behind these little spin leap, fricking trees
Speaker 3: roughly these sides, couldn't hide behind him. Was just standing
Speaker 3: there looking down at him. And it was silhouetted to
Speaker 3: where it looked. He said, you can make out that
Speaker 3: it had like a grizzled brownish hair, the slight bit reddish.
Speaker 3: Couldn't make out what color its skin was or anything,
Speaker 3: but he said, the way it was standing was very
Speaker 3: almost very tall, very robust, thick thing. And so he
Speaker 3: grabs a shotgun, and he raises a shotgun up and
Speaker 3: he takes the safety off. As soon as he clicks
Speaker 3: that safety, that thing takes off directly away boom, And
Speaker 3: he said it the way it was running boom boom,
Speaker 3: you could feel it. He said, it was the most
Speaker 3: intimidating thing running away from him. He felt intimidated from
Speaker 3: it running away, just from the impact on the ground,
Speaker 3: how heavy this thing was, how obviously powerful.
Speaker 4: It was just very intimidating.
Speaker 3: So once it's out of sight, he immediately drops that
Speaker 3: gun back down in the gunrack, leaves the safety off.
Speaker 3: He wanted to get out of there, so he drops
Speaker 3: it down, puts one of the bunges over it, because
Speaker 3: it has these two things that stick up on either side,
Speaker 3: and he just rest a gun in it. Put one
Speaker 3: of the bungees over so it doesn't bounce out. When
Speaker 3: they're going up to hill. He finishes wrapping it around.
Speaker 4: He gets to the bottom of the hill and he
Speaker 4: has to back up a little ways and get a
Speaker 4: little bit of a running start because it's fairly steep.
Speaker 3: It's a six wheel, so he'll make it, but he
Speaker 3: wanted a little more momentum getting at it, so that's
Speaker 3: what he does.
Speaker 4: He backs up and just guns it.
Speaker 3: Makes it up over the top, and once they get
Speaker 3: to the top, he hears a tank chain that had
Speaker 3: a small little Duffel bag that had all their silverware
Speaker 3: in it, right, because Marcy was real potenticular about using
Speaker 3: silverware out somewhere else. She would rather bring her own silverware,
Speaker 3: nothing plastic, legitimate silverware.
Speaker 4: And they kept it in this little miniature Duffel bag.
Speaker 3: It was like a little novelty Duffel bag of some
Speaker 3: kind with a sports team on it. It fell out
Speaker 3: from the little dump gate thing and it hit and
Speaker 3: it tore the bag a little bit, so Kraike stopped
Speaker 3: real quick. He goes out and there's some spoons and
Speaker 3: forks and stuff scattered around. So he's picking that stuff
Speaker 3: up and he's dropping it back in the hole. As
Speaker 3: he was sitting there, tucking it under some stuff and
Speaker 3: making sure the little bungee net was covering the stuff
Speaker 3: a little better, they hear jingle.
Speaker 4: It was off to their left.
Speaker 3: They all turn and he said, it must have been
Speaker 3: about sixty feet away.
Speaker 4: It was walking.
Speaker 3: It wasn't actively shaking it, but the way it was
Speaker 3: each impact of the step, it was this jingling jingle.
Speaker 3: So they watched it walk from directly in front of them,
Speaker 3: off to their left. They didn't see it standing there.
Speaker 3: They don't know how long I was standing there. They
Speaker 3: didn't realize it was there until they heard the jingle.
Speaker 3: They watched the walk away in shock. Immediately Craig jumps
Speaker 3: back on, says hold on, and they gun it. They
Speaker 3: take the rest of time it takes, stopping here and there.
Speaker 3: Craig would stop and make sure they're not being followed.
Speaker 3: He shot some rounds into some suspect shadows, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, because it was getting close to dusk
Speaker 3: when they were getting back to that access road, but
Speaker 3: he was shooting at dark shadows. He was like, don't
Speaker 3: be following me and my family. So they got back
Speaker 3: to their friends. Their friends like whoa. And their excuse was,
Speaker 3: is it just something was wrong with Marcie. She wasn't
Speaker 3: feeling good. That was their cover story of the friends.
Speaker 3: They end up staying the night at their friend's house
Speaker 3: that night because they didn't want to drive from the
Speaker 3: peninsula all the way back to Anchorage. They were pretty
Speaker 3: tired from everything that was going on. They shared everything
Speaker 3: with their friend. Their friends were like, that's good to know.
Speaker 3: They didn't dismiss them or anything like that. They were
Speaker 3: just like in shock, holy shit, because they know Craig
Speaker 3: and Marcy, these are professionals that they're not a bunch
Speaker 3: of weirdos in the woods. They have professional careers. They're
Speaker 3: not just about fanciful bullshit. You never know, man, you
Speaker 3: never know. You got to be aware in the woods.
Speaker 3: I want to think Craig and Marcy for sharing. I
Speaker 3: did talk to Daniel. He didn't really have much to
Speaker 3: add outside of everything because he was twelve year old.
Speaker 3: There was little things about when he was playing or
Speaker 3: whatever along the ride, where he thought he saw it,
Speaker 3: trying to keep up at different places and whatnot. What
Speaker 3: I want to share with you today comes from John.
Speaker 3: This happened down about yeah, a mile outside of McCarthy
Speaker 3: down Copper River Valley, back in nineteen eighty four. Going
Speaker 3: back a little ways on this one, however, the thing
Speaker 3: is a lot of people they internalize these experiences and
Speaker 3: they don't really know what to do with them.
Speaker 4: They really don't. So we'll get into it.
Speaker 3: John Avid Fisherman back in the day love trout fishing,
Speaker 3: and this particular little lake kid go too, not very
Speaker 3: big big enough for some good sized trapped to grow in.
Speaker 4: He's on the north.
Speaker 3: Side of the road, approximately a mile outside of mcarthy.
Speaker 4: So John gets there.
Speaker 3: He came from Valdez, just taking his time, gonna go
Speaker 3: have some fun. So as he he's down there, he
Speaker 3: starts fishing. The road's right not that far behind him,
Speaker 3: with this truck right there, right, So he comes down,
Speaker 3: he starts fishing away, and off to his right, approximately
Speaker 3: one hundred ish yards, he hears splashing, well, the splashing
Speaker 3: he keeps hearing. He looks over and he notices rocks
Speaker 3: being tossed over the alders. What the hell they assume
Speaker 3: there's someone messing with him. He kept trying to fish
Speaker 3: for a little while and finally got fit up with it.
Speaker 3: Figured someone was messing with him, someone was just giving
Speaker 3: him a hard time. Figured it was a local or
Speaker 3: something like that. So he stops what he's doing and
Speaker 3: heads on into mccarth theat a little general store, and
Speaker 3: he was asking about what was going on. Some of
Speaker 3: the locals were talking about having aggressive bears in the area.
Speaker 4: Bears don't throw rocks.
Speaker 3: Okay, They're talking about these aggressive bears and inquiring if
Speaker 3: he was armed, and John, yeah, I got my rifle
Speaker 3: in the truck, and they're just like, you need to
Speaker 3: keep it on you that type of stuff. He started
Speaker 3: his day that morning. Just as he is getting ready
Speaker 3: to fish, he hears some movement up on the side
Speaker 3: of the mountains on the shale when he got the
Speaker 3: binoculars and he's trying to find out what's making the noise,
Speaker 3: but he just can't find it. He's like, all right, figure,
Speaker 3: there might be the doll sheep coming down or something
Speaker 3: like that. So, not saying anything, he continues on does
Speaker 3: his fishing thing. But anyway, so he's in town and
Speaker 3: there's this woman that was part of this little group
Speaker 3: of three. He's got an odd feeling about these three
Speaker 3: just something was off. He couldn't pinpoint it at the
Speaker 3: time because he's a little frustrated. He thought maybe they
Speaker 3: were part of the group, part of throwing the rocks
Speaker 3: and him not enjoying his fishing. This one looked particularly terrified,
Speaker 3: was John's words. She looked terrified. At the moment, he
Speaker 3: was a little frustrated, so he wasn't putting two and
Speaker 3: two together. But they just kept reiterating big bears, aggressive bears,
Speaker 3: stay armed. So he just stopped listening to them and
Speaker 3: just went on about his way because again he was frustrated.
Speaker 3: He came to fish and he wanted to catch some
Speaker 3: good sized trout. Go on about his way. He makes
Speaker 3: his way back over there and figures, Okay, maybe since
Speaker 3: I said something, the rock doing will stop. And it's
Speaker 3: been a minute or so, so you know, the fish
Speaker 3: probably calm down. Maybe I can get some good fishing in. Still,
Speaker 3: as he gets back down there and he starts to
Speaker 3: fish again, all of a sudden, the rocks start again,
Speaker 3: but this time the rocks aren't coming over the alders.
Speaker 3: The rocks are being flung through the alders with force,
Speaker 3: and they're good sized rocks. Rocks, said, just some person
Speaker 3: can't hurl for one, and for two, sure the hell
Speaker 3: can't throw it and hurl it through the alders where
Speaker 3: you're here banging off trees and just still flying through.
Speaker 3: It's enough force to impact the water. So he starts
Speaker 3: really getting ticked out, like what the hell. So this
Speaker 3: goes on for a little bit and then he's overcome.
Speaker 3: He's overcome by a sense of fear, irrational fear, what
Speaker 3: the hell, because it's adding up.
Speaker 4: No human can do this, No human can be chucking.
Speaker 3: That size of a rock into the water with that
Speaker 3: much force through the Alders. It was banging off of him,
Speaker 3: coming ripping through. He gets just shook, is what the hell?
Speaker 3: He gets so panic stricken that he didn't do anything
Speaker 3: like crazy. He screws up, backed up the little rise
Speaker 3: up to where his truck is parked. He throws this
Speaker 3: stuff in, of course, and he digs his rifle out
Speaker 3: from the back and pulls it out of the case,
Speaker 3: shows his rifle, makes a show of having a gun,
Speaker 3: and he's standing there making a show that he has
Speaker 3: a gun in the direction where the rocks and stuff
Speaker 3: are coming.
Speaker 4: Shots fired.
Speaker 3: If a wounded bear comes barreling through, we might hear
Speaker 3: a repeat of that. So he makes a show and
Speaker 3: again unrealistic fear, nothing tangible, just these rocks being thrown.
Speaker 4: He's just sparked this fear. So he jumps in the truck.
Speaker 3: He's got the loaded rifle round chambered on the front
Speaker 3: seat right here, right next to him. He takes off
Speaker 3: down the road, but McCarthy road as a bitch, and
Speaker 3: he can't get over ten miles an hour.
Speaker 4: He's got to go real slow. Stay tuned for more
Speaker 4: sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And so Now he's worried about that gun being loaded,
Speaker 3: so he slows down. He unchambers that round, keeps it loaded,
Speaker 3: but not with one in the chamber. Right closes the
Speaker 3: bowl has a sitting there, and he ticks off back
Speaker 3: down the road, and he's heading towards Chittin, away from McCarthy.
Speaker 4: As he's going.
Speaker 3: Along this road, he keeps getting this overwhelming fear of
Speaker 3: something jumping in the bed of his truck and getting
Speaker 3: him through the rear window before he could get around chamber.
Speaker 3: And how he's going to manipulate the gun and protect himself. Irrational,
Speaker 3: irrational thoughts, irrational fear. But that was the overwhelming fear
Speaker 3: the whole sixty mile drive.
Speaker 4: I've been down that road.
Speaker 3: Anyone who's been down McCarthy road washboard Now, this is
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four, so I can only imagine the condition
Speaker 3: of it then versus now. And you and squashed Bait
Speaker 3: were there last year and it took eight hours, eight
Speaker 3: hours to go to McCarthy and back. We didn't mill around,
Speaker 3: went to McCarthy, looked around, turn around and went back
Speaker 3: eight hours Chittna, McCarthy back to Chittna eight hours. No bullshit,
Speaker 3: crazy beat up road man. They don't give a shit.
Speaker 3: So he's going as fast as he can going back
Speaker 3: towards Chittna, and the whole time it never faded, it
Speaker 3: never slowed down.
Speaker 4: It was this intense pressure of fear, like something going to.
Speaker 3: Jump in the back of the truck and he's not
Speaker 3: going to be able to wheel this rifle, turn around
Speaker 3: and get a shot on it before this thing rips
Speaker 3: him out. And he didn't know where it came from.
Speaker 3: It was rocks are being thrown. Didn't see anything, no
Speaker 3: weird noises outside of the splashes of the rocks in
Speaker 3: the water. That unknown fear man just took over. And
Speaker 3: he's not a panic guy. There was nothing to be
Speaker 3: scared of, not invisible, none he could see. But it
Speaker 3: was this overwhelming pressure of fear, and that fear lasted
Speaker 3: all the way through the chitten As soon as he
Speaker 3: got across the bridge from McCarthy Road to Vietna, it's
Speaker 3: still it didn't subside.
Speaker 4: He thought it would, it didn't. He went all the
Speaker 4: way back to Valdis.
Speaker 3: Still panic stricken in a sense, not to the verge
Speaker 3: of driving to radically or anything like that, but get
Speaker 3: me the hell home type of thing all the way
Speaker 3: back to valdis that fear didn't leave him for days.
Speaker 3: Another part of this, another part of John's experience in
Speaker 3: the wild is when he went to McCarthy at the
Speaker 3: general store, he was asking about Barstone rocks, just in passing.
Speaker 4: It was just a stupid question or whatever.
Speaker 3: So he's and what we'll just say, a remote village
Speaker 3: outside of Valdis.
Speaker 4: He's doing contracting work.
Speaker 3: They're doing upgrades to a certain infrastructure in this village,
Speaker 3: part of a contract, and he was just a laborer
Speaker 3: or a worker.
Speaker 4: So he was at this job.
Speaker 3: All these native elders are coming into their dining ten
Speaker 3: or whatever and loading up on the meal and whatever.
Speaker 3: So he figured, hey, man, this might be a good
Speaker 3: time to ask one of these elders about out bearstor
Speaker 3: On rocks. Just hey, you ever hear Burston rocks. So
Speaker 3: he walks over to the There's a table of these guys,
Speaker 3: let's say four or five of them, and obviously elders
Speaker 3: in the community, highly respected. He goes over and asks them,
Speaker 3: hey you ever hear Barston rocks. None of them respond
Speaker 3: to them, They don't give him a look, they don't respond,
Speaker 3: and they'll immediately take their plates and they leave the tent.
Speaker 4: So, okay, I'm sorry for asking whatever.
Speaker 3: One of the younger guys on the crew, native guy
Speaker 3: from the village, he was basically told, hey, go to town
Speaker 3: for us, because weekends coming. It was like a Friday
Speaker 3: go to town, go get us our whiskey kind of
Speaker 3: thing for everyone else in the village.
Speaker 4: And he's, hey, John, you got to come with me.
Speaker 4: So John, okay, So John goes with him.
Speaker 3: The young native guy commitsis telling them that, hey, you
Speaker 3: don't have a job, you can't go back to the
Speaker 3: village because you're a bad omen. You're talking about things
Speaker 3: you don't know about. They're viewing you as the one
Speaker 3: that's going to bring a bad omen to them because
Speaker 3: you're talking about it. And he was like a bar
Speaker 3: thrown rocks and the young guy, the young kid was like, no,
Speaker 3: the Harryman bigfoot sasquatch. And he was like what because
Speaker 3: he didn't have it in his wheelhouse, like this big
Speaker 3: foot Harryman.
Speaker 4: It wasn't there.
Speaker 3: So kid tells him, wh they're in Valadez and is
Speaker 3: all this stuff is still back across He ends up
Speaker 3: going back with the kid right his boss is told
Speaker 3: he can't be here, he has to leave. So his
Speaker 3: boss has to bring in another guy, and it won't
Speaker 3: be until the following Friday. So John's stuck there, basically
Speaker 3: being the pariah of this small Native village, the bringer
Speaker 3: of a bad omen on this project. And he was
Speaker 3: just trying to make money. This is back in the
Speaker 3: mid eighties, is just trying to make money.
Speaker 4: So he was stuck. His boss brings in his.
Speaker 3: Son, and so his son flies in on a charter
Speaker 3: of the following week and John hops on and gets out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it touches on a couple of things there,
Speaker 3: because you got the unknown, fear, unnatural, there's nothing tangible
Speaker 3: to just sit there and go, oh, I'm scared because
Speaker 3: of this. I'm scared because that it's not that, it's
Speaker 3: not that kind of get down. Then on the flip side,
Speaker 3: the poor guy, poor John, he goes this village innocent, hey,
Speaker 3: to bearstow rocks. You ever hear this instant Priya instantly
Speaker 3: shunned by everyone of prominence in that village.
Speaker 4: The poor guy.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine you're just a young guy, you go
Speaker 3: for a job and you just hey, guys, bear.
Speaker 4: Throwing rocks instantly cut off.
Speaker 3: It's horrible. But to me, I guess I got twisted.
Speaker 3: It's a humor, just that kind of It's just so
Speaker 3: jacked up, man. But the superstition, man, it runs deep
Speaker 3: in the native communities.
Speaker 4: I can't express that enough.
Speaker 3: The fact that elders choose to talk to me and
Speaker 3: villagers choose to talk to me is a blessing man,
Speaker 3: because it's different.
Speaker 4: It's a different world.
Speaker 3: And if you guys could hear the things I've heard
Speaker 3: as far as what some of these villagers share with
Speaker 3: me the wider world, just be in shock. Just be
Speaker 3: in shock. I want to thank John for reaching out
Speaker 3: and being patient. This has been something to work.
Speaker 4: Works, but I've had stuff going on in the background,
Speaker 4: just life and other stuff.
Speaker 3: Watch more to come again. Thank you to John. Shout
Speaker 3: out to squatch Bait. Have my back out in the wood.
Speaker 3: Same with Isaac. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, man, Alaska's what
Speaker 3: Alaska's so wild. Thank you guys for joining me. We'll
Speaker 3: catch you guys on the next one.
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