Speaker 1: We decided to rewatch Arcane season one in order to
prepare for Arcane Season two that recently came out, So
get ready for a podcast on that coming soon as well.
Enjoy What Up?
Speaker 2: Everyone? Welcome back to the anime Virgin Today we're discussing
season one of Arcane in preparation to watch the brand
new season two that just dropped on Netflix. You Got
Me goes in from anime upro and of course my
co host Briggs, What Up? Briggs?
Speaker 1: What Up? Goes in? I'm excited to talk about Arcane.
Season one is such a banger.
Speaker 2: Bro, and it's going to be interesting because we're preparing
for the season two Virgin. But we're not really virgins
for season one because we both watched it back when
it came out, and I believe we both had fond
memories about it. And then it'll be interesting now is
to sort of revisit it because it did have a
very good I did have a very good view of
it and a good memory of it. And I think
a lot of it is to do with the highs,
because there's some amazing highs in this show. But rewatching it,
maybe it's because there was less mystery there was less
twists and turns that could catch me off guard. But
I wasn't as hyped watching it this time as I
remember being the first time around. Now hopefully season two
will be like the first experience because I don't know
for sure what's going to happen and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that makes sense. Like I think it's
a very hype series, so upon knowing what's going to happen,
you're not going to be as hyped. But I think
for me, upon Rewatch, it made me appreciate the characters
and the character writing a little bit more. I think
it made sense for every character to go the direction
they did and for the development and like whatever happened
by the end of the season, like where they were.
It made more sense to me than before because when
you're watching the first time, you don't know these characters
as well, and it just seems so chaotic. It just
seems like a chaotic tragedy. But like upon Rewatch, for
me at least, I'm like this all, Like all the
characters are like in a line with like their backstories
and how they were introduced and like the things that
happened to them. I feel like everything was a trickle
effect and a stepping stone, and so many of the
characters are well written, not just a couple of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has that, and maybe this will offense some people,
but gave of Thrones esque developing different characters in different
places and then it intertwining at some point or another
m So it does pull that off. I did, though,
find that I did care less about certain storylines than others,
and that's okay, like you know, but but at some
points I was like, Okay, I don't care, like, for example, Victor.
At a certain point I was like, okay, enough enough
of Victor, which is kind of like, I'm sure there
are people that were obsessed with Victor, but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: A pretty big fan of Victor. Maybe I wasn't in
love with him like in the beginning or early on,
but by the end I feel like it was it
was he's.
Speaker 2: A broken soul, but I don't know, like it wasn't
fun to watch, which it doesn't. That doesn't need to
be the point, but because he was sort of you know,
you do pity him and you want you want a
good ending for him, but then he lets the power,
prioritizes the power, and then it comes back and like
screws over someone he cares about. But yeah, I don't know,
like I wasn't in love with his his character arc.
But you understand him as with limited time on his hands,
wanting to do what he can to prolong his life.
And then eventually when he sees how dangerous it is,
he does come to the conclusion that, you know, Jase
should destroy it. But yeah, I don't know, like I
wasn't loving that arc. My favorite moments in this show
are not the character writing, and I'm not saying it's
not good, like I do like Vander as a character,
and it's interesting how even the villain here, Silko, even
he is made very human where he would my favorite
character Yea, where he would even prioritize Jinks to what's
his dream and what's best for his his own well
being and everything, which you wouldn't expect. But so character
writing is good. But my favorite parts were just like
the epic kick ass moments where Vi was like putting
on those gauntlets of just kicking ass. The epic fights,
even Jace with the hammer was epic, the way they
animated the reaction of the hammer and everything. The fights
were really where it shined to me, and moments like
Jinks the ending, this has to be one of the
best season endings ever. Well, we can get to it more,
but you know what I mean, when Jinks does her thing,
we'll get to it, But that to me was.
Speaker 1: Speaking of moments. Though, speaking of moments, wasn't it crazy
when Victor like is able to run for the first time.
Wasn't that like, just like, didn't that get you going?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah it was. It was meaningful for sure, and
as a runner, I probably appreciate it even more. But yeah,
and again it puts into perspective like what he's been
through and what he's battling and now you know, it's
not like, oh, okay, so you suffered a long time
so you can have a good ending. It's like, no,
you suffered a long time, and now you're gonna die,
like your life is limited. And then so like him
resorting to that and finally getting even better than he's
ever been when he was told he's gonna die. In
a way, I can see it's a good character writing.
Even if I don't necessarily think it's the most interesting
part of the series, I can't deny that you feel
for his character. And it's a well written character.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was also just impressed that they didn't take
him down like a villain route, when like Jakes's getting
like all the popularity, all like the praise, and he's
like on the verge of death. Like I expected him
to be like full turn into a villain and like
end up using like and then especially like his his
assistant ended up dying someone that he cared about. And yeah,
I thought it was for sure gonna go to the
villain route, and I kind of appreciated that they didn't,
and they stayed true to his character.
Speaker 2: He did tiptoe or flirt with the villainous like yeah
with or maybe it's just like a scientific rabbit hole
like that scientists just like yeah, feel propelled down. Maybe
it's amoral, maybe it's.
Speaker 1: Since the very beginning his character was like that as well.
I think the character eting is so good because he
had a backstory where like through his like his like
he said, going down the rabbit hole of science and
discovery and create and trying, like he didn't he end
up killing like some animal or something, or he had
something similar happened to him in his backstory as well.
He does.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, they saved quote unquote saved an animal
using the shimmer. I assume it's all shimmer, yeah, the
purple liquid. But then it's like, what kind of survival
is this? You know, it's it's like, it's not natural.
It can be grotesque. I don't know what the long
term side effects are, honestly, like, for now, it's pretty bad, Okay.
Speaker 1: Or they were, they were. I think the new shimmer
is better.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go ahead.
Speaker 1: But I just think I think it's within his character
to like be with like kind of mess stuff up,
going down those rabbit holes like for the like for
science and trying to push further and achieve certain things.
So him doing that in the end, kind of doing
like some emoral things with within his character, but him not.
I'm just saying at a certain point I expected him.
I'm like, all typical writing, They're gonna turn him into
a fucking villain now, and I'm just happy they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say to me Silko on paper, the
way the narrative is structured is position to be the
main bad guy. Yeah, but he again, like we talked about,
he has so many redeeming qualities that it's a great show.
Like it's not black and white, there's absolutely there's you
can see that he wants what's best for his people.
Then all of a sudden, like he even prioritizes Jinks
because he loves her as a daughter. And then it's like,
this is the great bad guy of the series.
Speaker 1: Like it, I think Soco is such such an amazing
character because he is human, you know. And I think
it's something interesting because Vander had a similar goal to
Soco in the in like in the beginning, right before
the series started, there was a war between the the
like the main city and the underground, and then Vander
along the way, you see him killing these guards and
then you see Vi and Jinx this like standing by
and like near the bodies of their parents, basically becoming orphans.
And in that moment, he's realizing, like what is being lost,
and he kind of takes them in and they become
a family. And then once he like whatever starts to
care for these two, these two kids, he starts to
realize it's not it's not worth it, and he's willing
to sacrifice his his goal and his dream because of
the casualties along the way. Versus Silco was feeling like
he was the one who was left behind at that point,
and then later on, as Soco takes in Jinks, who
is also feeling like she's left behind, Soko is able
to relate to her, starts to care for her as
a daughter, and now he has something like to protect. Prior,
he just had his goal and didn't care about like
the casualties along the way, and now he's like he
finally has the ability to get what he always wanted
to turn the underground into its own nation basically or
its own I don't know him as the leader. With
him as the leader, he's finally able to do it.
But he's not able to give up Jinks because like
he's now he now has something that he cares about,
similar to Vander. It's like it's I just think it's
such fucking great writing, and like having a human villain
in this way is so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree some of the stuff looking back
that I would have liked maybe more time on or
that felt sort of rushed. But there was a time
skip was how the Silko developed such strong attachment to
Drinks as his daughter, because that it kind of seemed
they did the time skip and then it was there,
but we sort of didn't see exactly how it went
from point A to point B, and and there were
certain moments like that where I felt, I'm not completely
sold on how quickly this happened, but I didn't notice
that there.
Speaker 1: Was there was a time skip and then like he
essentially we assume that he raised her, but I do agree,
we don't. We didn't need to see it happen. The
one thing I liked is that you could tell that
like Soco was left behind and Powder felt the same way,
and there was that connection almost immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing was I guess it's funny how similar
Vander and Silko are in that sense. But another thing
that I was wondering about was why did Vander drown Silko,
you know, because that seems to be what happened, and
yet Silko still views him as a brother, and even
when he's dead and talks with Statue as brother, like
they were just on opposite side. They felt differently, like
did it explain why he went so far to kill
a brother?
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact reason. I just assumed that
both Vander and Silko were like kind of on the
same page. Initially, wanting to fight the Upper City and
they wanted to and they were both on the same page.
And when Vander abandoned this, he wanted to stop Soilko
from continuing to do it, knowing what would happen, Like
the casualties, Vander realized that the casualties are not worth
it along the way and what it like it creates orphans,
and like he had, he now has things he wants
to he wants to protect, while he knew Silko was
going to continue to do it and they continue to
pursue it or whatever, and I guess Vander just wanted
to stop, Yeah, that from chaotic war.
Speaker 2: That sits with me the wrong way too, because it's
like Vander is set up as this guy who prioritizes
his adopted children, his family, and then you have this
guy that's like his brother, and he was he was
willing to kill him, and I also say with him
with like good and loyalty, and yet he was willing
to do this. I get that there were reasons, but
I would I would have liked to have that expanded
upon looking back on it, because damn, like that doesn't
seem like the Vander we know. You know that he
would go back on his partner and his brother to
kill him even if he had like bad means. Maybe,
like I don't know, maybe imprisoning him it isn't better,
But I don't know. Death just seems trying to kill
him just seems pretty final.
Speaker 1: I think your brother would love it because it's very machiavellian,
where it's like I take out Silko and we save
so many lives from preventing a war from happening.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, but I don't. Yeah, I don't know which one
would be my brother in this issue, whether whether he's
want the war or not. But I do think that
I do remember him talking about this show, and he
did say like it was overhyped and he felt like
it was good, but it was like the average anime
that was some some sort of thing that he felt. Now,
I was definitely way more hyped at the time than
he was about it, but that that was in case
you guys care about Animax view. That was it for
the first season.
Speaker 1: I think Arcane is, especially those first three episodes and
just overall the first season. I think it is I
don't want to say a masterpiece because I don't want
to go that far, but it does a lot of
things right and that I have issues with anime with
and I love anime. Anime is my favorite. I have
so many animes I love. I have a lot of
anime that I like more than arcane. But I have
found that like a lot of the thing. But I've
watched like three hundred plus shows, so now when I
watch an anime, I'm like, please don't do this, and
then they end up doing it, like turning Victor in
Like I can I can see an anime giving fucking Victor,
like making him a villain, putting him him in fucking
like some type of villain esque art style or costume afterwards,
and going that route with his like shimmer and then
technology and whatever, and then being jealous of Jase or
doing or like going crazy because of what happened with
with his assistant and like because of the Shimmer making
him go crazy and just turning him into a villain.
That's one example. I just also feel like one thing
with these characters is like I don't know, I feel
like they're so interconnected and it's like slow character development
to be where they're at versus so many times I
just feel like it's so quick and as he pointed out,
that's not a perfect series. There are things that are rushed.
I just find like, I just love how every character
their endpoint makes so much sense to me. And I
didn't even fully rewatch it, so it's not super super
fresh in my mind, but I remember having that viewpoint
and upon rewatch a little bit here just being like,
all these characters, like starts and finishes make so much sense.
Speaker 2: I'm just reading like some of the comments like breaks
and goals and being Vander and Benzo and Animac being
Soilko makes too much sense Red of com It's funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Van Vander, but Soilko is my favorite.
Soilko and Jinx are my favorite character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad Vander that we meet in the beginning of
the series just seems like such a great guy. Clearly
he he softened with age and understood, not that he
couldn't kick ass still, but he understood that violence isn't
necessarily the answer. The young one was probably way more
complex and willing to do some darker things.
Speaker 1: That's another thing you said. It's like out of character
for him to do that, and obviously, like I wish
if we had more backstory as to what happened there.
But I do think Vander was probably way more reckless
and wild as he said. He was so much more
like Vibe when he was younger, and they called him
the hound of the underground, and he earned the respect
of all these different people underground and stuff. So he
was definitely a different person before old age and family
softened him up.
Speaker 2: Another thing that I've noticed about the show, which is
not necessarily make it a bad show, But I don't
necessarily love any of the characters. Let me know how
you feel about that. But you know, with some with
some shows, some of your favorite shows, you probably have
characters you love, like Our Quick go To is always
one piece with like Lufy and Zoro and Sanji. But
here all the characters are flawed, which is good character writing.
But also I don't love any of the characters. Like
Jenks is crazy, like she has some badass moments, but
I don't love her as a charter like. I don't
love her character. She's one of those like classic crazy
people who like hear voices in their head trying to
compete like over like the Joker style. She's like a
young Carley Quinn. And Jace is like is the closest,
but even he is I don't know, Like it's not
a strong feeling of of I love this character.
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely not with you there. I love Jinx
and Silko so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. She's just crazy and why do.
Speaker 1: You love but she's not just crazy? It makes like
the amount of stuff that she's went through to become crazy,
and then like having someone accept her that the fucking
villain is so crazy and like she she essentially killed
two of her like not siblings, but like as if
they're siblings and father.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but why do you love her? That's what
I'm saying. I'm an interesting character.
Speaker 1: I just think it's she's I think she's so interesting
that I love her, and then like her becoming this
badass character when she was the weak powder that was
like was the Jinx and causing all these things to
go wrong and like wasn't strong enough to keep up
with Vi and everyone else to turning into such a
fucking beast and likes being so badass but also having
it be good writing that how she got to that
point making sense makes me love her.
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess people do love the joker. I just
find it hard to you know, put my horse behind uh,
such crazy unstable characters. But it's interesting for sure, obviously.
And in the end it's ironic that her killing Silko
is what hardened her as Jinks, right, yeah, because she
could have killed Vi or Caitlyn or Silko, and then
she ended up killing Silko and you'd assume, Okay, now
VI's there, she's gonna become quote unquote powder again, but no,
she feels remorse. He tells her he never would have
given her up for anything, and honestly, it's probably true.
And then she actually hardens into Jinks, and then she
wants to see the world burn, which is interesting story writing.
Just don't know how much I like the character. And
then she does that amazing like firing the thing right
into the people that are currently working, thanks to Jason,
towards peace and they're all agreeing, yes, we will give
them their own land. We're all on board. And then meanwhile,
as they're doing this, Jinks's weapon is about to come
and explode, killing or seriously injuring them all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely a crazy ending, I will say, just
like happy endings in this series.
Speaker 2: Well, there is an ending to be fair still going,
But I will say that this has to be, for me,
one of the best cliffhangers ever. Yeah, regardless of how
much you love the show and the characters, like this
cliffhanger is so good, such a crazy, interesting, badass way
to end season one. Going to season two, it's gonna
be a lot to keep up with and to kind
of follow up on. But that last episode, Oh it
stays with you, so masterfully done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. I'm kind of on your page
with like some of the I like Fi and I
like Jase, and I like Victor, but I don't love them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love Jace. Like Jace like is cool
in the sense that you know you you get he's
from the outside, so he started as an underdog. Then
he's like pushing the boundaries. He's a good guy's loyal
to his friend. Him using that hammer is sick, Like
that hammer is freaking amazing, you know. He he hooks
up with mel Like that's all interesting. But yeah, I
don't love him. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like I agree with that. I do like
what he's pushing towards and that it's an interesting concept
of like trying to fuse like magic with science and
like Himan Dinger or whatever his name is, being like,
I've seen this magic in use and it'll bring nothing
but like but war and misfortune and stuff, but in
like a close minded human life, or like the amount
of good you could do with this, but then the
amount of weapons they could create from it in the
long run as well.
Speaker 2: It always happens, It always historically with humans, it always happens.
So we got some terminator topics being raised again and
it always will be just because you know, technology progresses,
people plan to use it for good, becomes not so good,
and history repeats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting concept. I do like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that I just I can't help, but
like when I see is loyalty. And with Jace, I
love how although it's so easy, people are pushing him
up to be the hero and he always brings in
this partner. He's like, you want to go up there,
do to speech with me? To Victor. He's never like, yes,
Pride go to my head, Ego, go to my head.
It's all me, it's not Victor. He never has that moment,
And I just really respect that he's always there for
his friend, like right, he hooks up with mel, she
wakes up, he's gone, He's checking up on Victor. Like
it's just you have to love those kinds of qualities.
So that's why I'm such a fan of Jason Nice.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what this character's name is.
So one of the original cops or like officers, had
to deal with Vander, and they're kind of both agreed
that it's best to keep like the two Upper Ground
and Lower Ground separate, and like any war would be
bad for both sides, and they kind of just had
some agreements. We will leave you, We'll leave you alone
if you leave us alone. And of course there's the
issue at the beginning of the series where like Vibe
Powder and those two other idiots knowing.
Speaker 2: What we know now, like how fucking idiotic is that? Yeah,
now that we know what's at stake, and and now
how frail and fragile the piece is, Oh, what what
a stupid move to try to rob the Upper City.
Speaker 1: Yeah for real, but you know what their kids, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. They want to make their own
legends and they want to do their own feats, and
and it's true Vander was like that as a kid,
so although as an adult you have a different perspective
and you know how stupid it is. Vander was doing
that too, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Vanders only who he is at that point
of the series because because of his past experiences and
growing up in the underground was basically probably like close
to nothing and nothing and a lot of bad role
models around you, and just like not like whatever criminal
activity happening in the underground, it completely makes sense that
these kids want to like learn their own lessons away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't mention that yet, but this whole
world is really cool, like the world building, the setting,
the nooks and crannies of the underworld, it feels cyberpunk esque.
It's not really, but it has those kind of like
heavily populated, it seems like there's so many infinite alley
ways to get lost behind. So yeah, I really liked
the feel of the Underground and setting an environment they
created there.
Speaker 1: I completely agree the point I was going to get
to you though, if in regards to the beginning, like
Vander and the officer had a kind of like a
compromise going or a deal going, and then of course
when Vander and the officer both end up dying. They
don't that the deal falls apart and like shit goes
goes crazy. But it was interesting that the underling to
that officer I don't know his name ended up kind
of learning the same lesson and striking a similar deal
with Silco until Jinks, you know, goes and ruins it
by blowing up it like whever Caitlin's family's tent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or but to be fair and like, I feel
like Jinks is clearly set up as destroying the peace. Yeah,
but with sil and I guess she is playing for
Silko's that too, so she destroyed in that way too.
But if Silka is being honest that he wouldn't have
given over Jinks, then it's like that was part of
the agreement, so maybe there wouldn't have been peace anyways. Yeah,
although now having.
Speaker 1: Seen them, wasn't the wasn't the council like coming to
that decision though, that they were just gonna like let
it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So that's that's the only thing, Like with
the decision he made with Jace, Jace made it seem
like we need Jinks to make this happen. But yeah,
after the council all said, yeah, we want peace, let
him be their own thing. He probably would have been
able to wiggle out of it, but obviously Jinks kill
him and then declared war by doing that, so made
it impossible. But I'm just saying there is a world
where even if Jinks didn't kill Silko, that was part
of Jas's agreement and terms, and if he didn't give
Drinks over, maybe there could have been drama anyways, but true, true,
Just to not blame it all on Drinks, you know.
Speaker 1: I agree, But Jinks is such a tragic character and
such a chaotic character. I do want to say. I
was just kind of pointing out, like it was just
interesting to see, like how the officer grew as well.
There's a lot of like little things and like growth
or development from characters that I really appreciated with this series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even liked the There was cool scenes where
Silko is sort of reaffirming his authority with the up
and comers that work under him, right, and there was
that one guy who wanted to challenge him and then
he made him feel breathe in the under world air
and like the pollutant air of it, and the dude
couldn't even breathe. He was choking, and so Silko then
finally gave him the mask so he could breathe like
the new air, and he's like, you guys have gone soft.
You remember how it used to be Silko could obviously
breathe in the felthy air, showing the difference between him
and the softer up and covers. And then you even
have that guy trying to assassinate him, and it was
so sick. Silko was just standing there at the table.
His female bodyguard takes out the sword like it looks
like she's going to backstab him and kill him, and
he's like, but I found ruling here that you still
can't underestimate loyalty. And then the chick kills the guy
trying to kill him rather than that was such a sick,
sick scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I could remember like specific detailed moments
that I really really really liked that you have obviously,
like you said, like the ending with the rock it
infused with the hex crystal or whatever, going towards the
council building that like one of the bigger buildings in
the city.
Speaker 2: One of the most like high moments in a show
like ever it's a top tier moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, top tier moment. That was a really cool one.
I'm just because like I was kind of like rewatching,
but also like I've been moving, so I've been really busy. Yeah,
and these are the moments that I remember after like
a year as well. So I remember Jinx's monologue was
pretty cool or like there was like silco at like
the fountain and he had this like chat could probably
quote it. They've quoted it to me already once this
stream where he was talking about like like having a
daughter or whatever. There's like certain moments to me, like
it's like like or just like in my stuck in
my head because they were so cool. Echo versus Jinx
on the bridge was pretty cool, and Echo was the
young boy from the flashback as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good points to bring up because first
of all, the whole surf like flying surfboards thing make
or skateboards, whatever you want to call them or makes
for such cool visuals and fight scenes, and that was
such a well done artistic fight where some of the
other fights were just interesting the way they were animated,
but this one overlapped past and present. So the versions
of these guys how they used to be and when
they were play fighting or training with let's say a
paintball gun and then him having like garbage can lid
for a shield, and it juxtaposed that to the tragic
reality where they ended up. So fucking well done, the
goosebump inducing these fights and the high moments are really
where the show shines. For sure, there's philosophy and everything,
but it's hard to beat the level of the intensity
with the fights and the animation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, Vanders fight against one of the like juiced up
Silko dogs basically before Vander ended up dying. When Vanders
just like a normal dude and he puts on those
metal metal gatlands, but they weren't really gallants. I think
he like they were a makeshift because he was captured
at that time and he was already injured beyond belief
and he's fighting this juiced up dude that was taking
on people in a second and it was just such
a badass fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and then you just by reminding me that,
you remind me of that you do really feel bad
for drinks or I should say powder at that point
where she's just trying to help and She's always viewed
as a failure because her bombs don't work and they
finally work and you think you should celebrate, but they
work by killing her friends and it's so tragic.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will say, you really get how she
ends up fucked up, like you you understand it. But yeah,
to me, I guess I've seen it these multiple voices
talking in the head already with characters like the Joker
that it's not mind blowing to me. But yeah, you
definitely see how she could end up messed up.
Speaker 1: M I mean, I love a crazy like a crazy villain,
but when it makes sense, it just it interests me
so much more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does make sense here.
Speaker 1: I thought some crazy theories that Vander might still be alive.
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: They better be theories, bro, they better not be spoilers.
Speaker 1: No, their theories, their theories. This is before season two
even came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so I don't even know. Maybe you know,
but probably not. So this is based off of League
of Legends lore, right, m hm. So are these all
playable characters in the in the thing or or are
they made up characters just existing within that world?
Speaker 1: So Jakes to the character VI a character. I'm sure
a bunch of these are actual characters and some aren't. Okay,
I don't think Vander is a character.
Speaker 2: That's such a good advertisement for the game, and especially
how good you'd make it, because you'd think it would
be like those old shows that they made just like
advertised toys and like they didn't put a lot of
thought into it. But they really made this good. It did.
It did not need to be this good for what
it is, but I'm glad they made it good.
Speaker 1: It's only yeah, it's only a few of them. They
take the world and the lore and they turned it
into this beautiful story. Yeah, but I think it will
make I think, unfortunately, it will make people play Legal Legends.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never played. I'm not planning on it. But yeah,
I enjoyed the show for sure, which is cool because
I am not a guy who was into League of Legends.
That is completely unassociated with me liking the show, and
so it's impressive that they could bring an outsider in
and just have them get hyped about the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Vander is not a character, but there is
a character in the show in the game, and then
that's why there's all these theories, but I don't think
it has come true as of yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we'll see because anything could happen because there
is magic and it was It's a again, Game of
Thrones comes to mind. Game of Thrones was interesting and
maybe even the best for me when it was very
small focus on magic in the early season and then
probably earlier seasons most most most of it. But then
they start bringing in more magic and that could be
good or bad depending on how it's done. It could
be overpowering, but yeah, it depends how it's done. Here.
This first season clued us in on the magic, like
Jace was saved by a magic spell, but they didn't
have wizards or whatever they're called really in this season.
They just had technology that replicated magic. So I'm guessing
in the next season or eventually, we'll be introduced to
actual mages who can use magic, and I don't know
where they are right now, so I'm interested in that.
That's something that keeps me intrigued in in the world
of Arcane.
Speaker 1: Apparently, so they plan on making other series within the
same world. I don't know if it's going to be
like future seasons or if it's the actual other series
altogether within the same world, because whatever this specific city
is is one that decided to be built upon and
like like without magic, right, and like they try to
rebuild without magic. But it stands the reason that there
are other cities around the world that might still have
mages hidden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But to me, that's so intriguing is there?
Because first of all, why aren't Mage controlled places attacking?
Are these guys too strong? Are they the strongest city?
And then how didn't Mages sneak into the city And
if they did, how do we avoid them this whole time?
Or are they not related to any of the things?
Maybe some characters we didn't think our majors end up
being mages later on, who knows, we'll see. But yeah,
that's something that I really thought about this time, because
Jason the beginning was saved with magic and then they
don't really bring it up again. So I look forward
to ye seeing something major.
Speaker 1: It was another thing like they were they were in
the middle of a snowstorm on the other side of
the world, right, Yeah, and then the mage teleports him
and his mother to a sunny place near this city,
I believe, Yeah, I'd see they basically transport. They like,
that's why Jason outsider. He was basically transported like halfway
around the world and that was only like probably like
twenty to thirty years ago at this point. So can
we definitely still may just are still alive for sure.
I'm very intrigued by it.
Speaker 2: Can we just talk about like Caitlyn's mom and how
much she sucks, Like she supported Jace and then like
when Jace was not liked for what he did, she
like hated him and like, don't talk to my daughter,
and then he gets public favor again and she's like, yeah,
I'm on Jace's team again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The flip flopping of Caitlyn's mom, So she.
Speaker 1: Wants what's best for her kid. And Jace was at
one point banned from the university and they were paying
and like sponsoring him. It's still crazy, like the complete
flip like don't even talk to my daughter ever again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I get I get it, I do
get it. I get it. Yeah. As a parent, she's
just trying to create probably the best reality for opportunities
for her daughter and the family, and sometimes that means
separating from Jason. Sometimes that means letting him in. It's
just like the flip flopping of the extremes is just like, bro,
where's the lay anyway?
Speaker 1: I shipped via in Caitlyn anyway, So Okay, I don't
really care about the chase Caitlyn.
Speaker 2: Jase Caitlyn. Yeah, like I that was like the childhood
friend thing. So I don't know. Yeah, this this show
isn't really interesting to ship for me. Like, the only
thing I know is that mel and Jace get together,
and that's not shipping, that's just they do. So I
don't know if there's space for Caitlin there, you know, for.
Speaker 1: Job VI and Caitlyn. Nothing happened between them and the series, correct, So.
Speaker 2: The only thing is Jinx said your girlfriend, but obviously
with girls, that could just mean your friend.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, or like she's just like messing with them,
right yeah yeah, like you care about your girlfriend more
than me exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think there was I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think there was sexual tension between Buy and Caitlin,
but hey, that's just a theory. I don't remember a
year ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. They're like, but yeah,
that would be speculation at that point.
Speaker 1: Anything else we need to cover. I'm excited for season
two next week. We are, Uh one year was three
years ago? What season one was three years ago? That's
fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, like us, how long we've been in this
internet game. It gets crazy sometimes to consider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and someone was asking, like, didn't you guys already
do an episode on this? We did a Rank Cafe episode,
not an anime virgin on this, although I probably will
upload this to anime Virgin because arcane is I mean
from the Rank FA because our cane is popping right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I double checked, but I don't think we've done
it on this one. But yeah, yeah, I think that's it.
I'm excited for the next season. I think that, like
I said, one of the best cliffhangers of all time.
So good with some of the hype moments. The story
is interesting, even though I'm not super gung ho about
any of the characters. Uh. Yeah, I'm excited and optimistic
about season two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for season two. We're going to cover
that next week, I'm assuming. Yeah cool, I'm overall I
love season one. I'm not gonna call it a masterpiece,
but it's pretty fucking close. I'm with goes in that
there's a couple of the few characters that I just like.
The characters I love would be Jinx and Soco, but
most of I do think like they're well written characters.
I think there's so many hype moments with badass animation,
and the music is topp tier. Although the scene when
they like have the band singing, it's just so random
to me.
Speaker 2: The band is random. Think oh band singing?
Speaker 1: The band singing like the theme theme song as a
cut between moments.
Speaker 2: Can we just say that I love the theme song
and I always got excited when I was playing. I
never skipped it. It's just cool that imagine dragons and
then with Kaiju number eight one Republic and like all
these popular bands from the West are now not not
that this is anime, but you know, they're developing these
actually really good theme songs for these animated shows. I
like the trend. I hope it keeps up. And yeah,
this one was a banger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many good things going for it. I'm
a kind of first season two. I hope it's good.
I think I haven't heard a lot of people talk
about it too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely haven't that if you haven't. Yeah, that's
I'm even more out of the loop. So yeah, we'll
be here back next week talking about it. Until next time,
see a Space Cowboys bang