1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: We decided to rewatch Arcane season one in order to 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,000 prepare for Arcane Season two that recently came out, So 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,320 get ready for a podcast on that coming soon as well. 4 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:10,839 Enjoy What Up? 5 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Everyone? Welcome back to the anime Virgin Today we're discussing 6 00:00:15,199 --> 00:00:18,879 season one of Arcane in preparation to watch the brand 7 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:22,519 new season two that just dropped on Netflix. You Got 8 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:25,519 Me goes in from anime upro and of course my 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,199 co host Briggs, What Up? Briggs? 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,239 Speaker 1: What Up? Goes in? I'm excited to talk about Arcane. 11 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:32,159 Season one is such a banger. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Bro, and it's going to be interesting because we're preparing 13 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:41,399 for the season two Virgin. But we're not really virgins 14 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:43,439 for season one because we both watched it back when 15 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:46,359 it came out, and I believe we both had fond 16 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:50,079 memories about it. And then it'll be interesting now is 17 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:54,359 to sort of revisit it because it did have a 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,880 very good I did have a very good view of 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,560 it and a good memory of it. And I think 20 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,159 a lot of it is to do with the highs, 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,280 because there's some amazing highs in this show. But rewatching it, 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,760 maybe it's because there was less mystery there was less 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,519 twists and turns that could catch me off guard. But 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,560 I wasn't as hyped watching it this time as I 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,719 remember being the first time around. Now hopefully season two 26 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:23,120 will be like the first experience because I don't know 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,280 for sure what's going to happen and stuff like that. 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that makes sense. Like I think it's 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,920 a very hype series, so upon knowing what's going to happen, 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,640 you're not going to be as hyped. But I think 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,239 for me, upon Rewatch, it made me appreciate the characters 32 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,400 and the character writing a little bit more. I think 33 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:42,200 it made sense for every character to go the direction 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,200 they did and for the development and like whatever happened 35 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:47,159 by the end of the season, like where they were. 36 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,319 It made more sense to me than before because when 37 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:52,200 you're watching the first time, you don't know these characters 38 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:54,680 as well, and it just seems so chaotic. It just 39 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:57,680 seems like a chaotic tragedy. But like upon Rewatch, for 40 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,519 me at least, I'm like this all, Like all the 41 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,480 characters are like in a line with like their backstories 42 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:06,400 and how they were introduced and like the things that 43 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:09,319 happened to them. I feel like everything was a trickle 44 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:12,159 effect and a stepping stone, and so many of the 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,479 characters are well written, not just a couple of them. 46 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has that, and maybe this will offense some people, 47 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:23,840 but gave of Thrones esque developing different characters in different 48 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,240 places and then it intertwining at some point or another 49 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,599 m So it does pull that off. I did, though, 50 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:36,840 find that I did care less about certain storylines than others, 51 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:41,120 and that's okay, like you know, but but at some 52 00:02:41,199 --> 00:02:44,319 points I was like, Okay, I don't care, like, for example, Victor. 53 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,319 At a certain point I was like, okay, enough enough 54 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:51,639 of Victor, which is kind of like, I'm sure there 55 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,960 are people that were obsessed with Victor, but yeah, I'm. 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: A pretty big fan of Victor. Maybe I wasn't in 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,759 love with him like in the beginning or early on, 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,639 but by the end I feel like it was it 59 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,319 was he's. 60 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: A broken soul, but I don't know, like it wasn't 61 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:09,080 fun to watch, which it doesn't. That doesn't need to 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,400 be the point, but because he was sort of you know, 63 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:18,479 you do pity him and you want you want a 64 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:21,759 good ending for him, but then he lets the power, 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,120 prioritizes the power, and then it comes back and like 66 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:30,800 screws over someone he cares about. But yeah, I don't know, 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,919 like I wasn't in love with his his character arc. 68 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:38,479 But you understand him as with limited time on his hands, 69 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:40,960 wanting to do what he can to prolong his life. 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,800 And then eventually when he sees how dangerous it is, 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,280 he does come to the conclusion that, you know, Jase 72 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,039 should destroy it. But yeah, I don't know, like I 73 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:55,560 wasn't loving that arc. My favorite moments in this show 74 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,000 are not the character writing, and I'm not saying it's 75 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:01,599 not good, like I do like Vander as a character, 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,479 and it's interesting how even the villain here, Silko, even 77 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:12,199 he is made very human where he would my favorite 78 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,599 character Yea, where he would even prioritize Jinks to what's 79 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:19,399 his dream and what's best for his his own well 80 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:23,439 being and everything, which you wouldn't expect. But so character 81 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:25,519 writing is good. But my favorite parts were just like 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,920 the epic kick ass moments where Vi was like putting 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,680 on those gauntlets of just kicking ass. The epic fights, 84 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:35,920 even Jace with the hammer was epic, the way they 85 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:41,040 animated the reaction of the hammer and everything. The fights 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,000 were really where it shined to me, and moments like 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Jinks the ending, this has to be one of the 88 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,639 best season endings ever. Well, we can get to it more, 89 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:52,399 but you know what I mean, when Jinks does her thing, 90 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:54,839 we'll get to it, But that to me was. 91 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of moments. Though, speaking of moments, wasn't it crazy 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,959 when Victor like is able to run for the first time. 93 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:03,199 Wasn't that like, just like, didn't that get you going? 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah it was. It was meaningful for sure, and 95 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:11,839 as a runner, I probably appreciate it even more. But yeah, 96 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:16,560 and again it puts into perspective like what he's been 97 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,879 through and what he's battling and now you know, it's 98 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,360 not like, oh, okay, so you suffered a long time 99 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,120 so you can have a good ending. It's like, no, 100 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,079 you suffered a long time, and now you're gonna die, 101 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,519 like your life is limited. And then so like him 102 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,720 resorting to that and finally getting even better than he's 103 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,079 ever been when he was told he's gonna die. In 104 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,399 a way, I can see it's a good character writing. 105 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,759 Even if I don't necessarily think it's the most interesting 106 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,279 part of the series, I can't deny that you feel 107 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,639 for his character. And it's a well written character. 108 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was also just impressed that they didn't take 109 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:52,639 him down like a villain route, when like Jakes's getting 110 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:56,240 like all the popularity, all like the praise, and he's 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,680 like on the verge of death. Like I expected him 112 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,079 to be like full turn into a villain and like 113 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,399 end up using like and then especially like his his 114 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:09,120 assistant ended up dying someone that he cared about. And yeah, 115 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,519 I thought it was for sure gonna go to the 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,879 villain route, and I kind of appreciated that they didn't, 117 00:06:12,879 --> 00:06:14,360 and they stayed true to his character. 118 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,399 Speaker 2: He did tiptoe or flirt with the villainous like yeah 119 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:26,120 with or maybe it's just like a scientific rabbit hole 120 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,360 like that scientists just like yeah, feel propelled down. Maybe 121 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:30,720 it's amoral, maybe it's. 122 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,199 Speaker 1: Since the very beginning his character was like that as well. 123 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,680 I think the character eting is so good because he 124 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,199 had a backstory where like through his like his like 125 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,680 he said, going down the rabbit hole of science and 126 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,879 discovery and create and trying, like he didn't he end 127 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:47,879 up killing like some animal or something, or he had 128 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,040 something similar happened to him in his backstory as well. 129 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:50,399 He does. 130 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,759 Speaker 2: I think yeah, they saved quote unquote saved an animal 131 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,639 using the shimmer. I assume it's all shimmer, yeah, the 132 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,680 purple liquid. But then it's like, what kind of survival 133 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:06,759 is this? You know, it's it's like, it's not natural. 134 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:10,759 It can be grotesque. I don't know what the long 135 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:16,439 term side effects are, honestly, like, for now, it's pretty bad, Okay. 136 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Or they were, they were. I think the new shimmer 137 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:18,680 is better. 138 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: Okay, there you go ahead. 139 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,199 Speaker 1: But I just think I think it's within his character 140 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:26,879 to like be with like kind of mess stuff up, 141 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:29,439 going down those rabbit holes like for the like for 142 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,639 science and trying to push further and achieve certain things. 143 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,000 So him doing that in the end, kind of doing 144 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,160 like some emoral things with within his character, but him not. 145 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,680 I'm just saying at a certain point I expected him. 146 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:43,160 I'm like, all typical writing, They're gonna turn him into 147 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,199 a fucking villain now, and I'm just happy they didn't. 148 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say to me Silko on paper, the 149 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:55,720 way the narrative is structured is position to be the 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,680 main bad guy. Yeah, but he again, like we talked about, 151 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:05,680 he has so many redeeming qualities that it's a great show. 152 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:08,839 Like it's not black and white, there's absolutely there's you 153 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,240 can see that he wants what's best for his people. 154 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:14,399 Then all of a sudden, like he even prioritizes Jinks 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,680 because he loves her as a daughter. And then it's like, 156 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,240 this is the great bad guy of the series. 157 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,439 Speaker 1: Like it, I think Soco is such such an amazing 158 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:26,959 character because he is human, you know. And I think 159 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:29,959 it's something interesting because Vander had a similar goal to 160 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,919 Soco in the in like in the beginning, right before 161 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,360 the series started, there was a war between the the 162 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,080 like the main city and the underground, and then Vander 163 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,559 along the way, you see him killing these guards and 164 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,840 then you see Vi and Jinx this like standing by 165 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,960 and like near the bodies of their parents, basically becoming orphans. 166 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:52,519 And in that moment, he's realizing, like what is being lost, 167 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,480 and he kind of takes them in and they become 168 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,440 a family. And then once he like whatever starts to 169 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,519 care for these two, these two kids, he starts to 170 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,720 realize it's not it's not worth it, and he's willing 171 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,639 to sacrifice his his goal and his dream because of 172 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,279 the casualties along the way. Versus Silco was feeling like 173 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,799 he was the one who was left behind at that point, 174 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,240 and then later on, as Soco takes in Jinks, who 175 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,320 is also feeling like she's left behind, Soko is able 176 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,639 to relate to her, starts to care for her as 177 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,879 a daughter, and now he has something like to protect. Prior, 178 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:29,879 he just had his goal and didn't care about like 179 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:32,759 the casualties along the way, and now he's like he 180 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:35,240 finally has the ability to get what he always wanted 181 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,360 to turn the underground into its own nation basically or 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,000 its own I don't know him as the leader. With 183 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,399 him as the leader, he's finally able to do it. 184 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:47,200 But he's not able to give up Jinks because like 185 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:50,080 he's now he now has something that he cares about, 186 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,480 similar to Vander. It's like it's I just think it's 187 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:55,519 such fucking great writing, and like having a human villain 188 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,159 in this way is so great. 189 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree some of the stuff looking back 190 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,120 that I would have liked maybe more time on or 191 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,159 that felt sort of rushed. But there was a time 192 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,159 skip was how the Silko developed such strong attachment to 193 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,080 Drinks as his daughter, because that it kind of seemed 194 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,679 they did the time skip and then it was there, 195 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,840 but we sort of didn't see exactly how it went 196 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:26,799 from point A to point B, and and there were 197 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:30,879 certain moments like that where I felt, I'm not completely 198 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,600 sold on how quickly this happened, but I didn't notice 199 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,200 that there. 200 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,159 Speaker 1: Was there was a time skip and then like he 201 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,720 essentially we assume that he raised her, but I do agree, 202 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,200 we don't. We didn't need to see it happen. The 203 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,840 one thing I liked is that you could tell that 204 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:49,480 like Soco was left behind and Powder felt the same way, 205 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:51,600 and there was that connection almost immediately. 206 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:55,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing was I guess it's funny how similar 207 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:58,960 Vander and Silko are in that sense. But another thing 208 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:05,600 that I was wondering about was why did Vander drown Silko, 209 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,519 you know, because that seems to be what happened, and 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,799 yet Silko still views him as a brother, and even 211 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,799 when he's dead and talks with Statue as brother, like 212 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,399 they were just on opposite side. They felt differently, like 213 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,679 did it explain why he went so far to kill 214 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:23,039 a brother? 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,879 Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact reason. I just assumed that 216 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:29,600 both Vander and Silko were like kind of on the 217 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:33,120 same page. Initially, wanting to fight the Upper City and 218 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,759 they wanted to and they were both on the same page. 219 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,120 And when Vander abandoned this, he wanted to stop Soilko 220 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,960 from continuing to do it, knowing what would happen, Like 221 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,320 the casualties, Vander realized that the casualties are not worth 222 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,360 it along the way and what it like it creates orphans, 223 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,440 and like he had, he now has things he wants 224 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,120 to he wants to protect, while he knew Silko was 225 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,799 going to continue to do it and they continue to 226 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,000 pursue it or whatever, and I guess Vander just wanted 227 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,159 to stop, Yeah, that from chaotic war. 228 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: That sits with me the wrong way too, because it's 229 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,720 like Vander is set up as this guy who prioritizes 230 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,919 his adopted children, his family, and then you have this 231 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,519 guy that's like his brother, and he was he was 232 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,879 willing to kill him, and I also say with him 233 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:18,159 with like good and loyalty, and yet he was willing 234 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:21,080 to do this. I get that there were reasons, but 235 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,639 I would I would have liked to have that expanded 236 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,519 upon looking back on it, because damn, like that doesn't 237 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:30,519 seem like the Vander we know. You know that he 238 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:35,320 would go back on his partner and his brother to 239 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:38,159 kill him even if he had like bad means. Maybe, 240 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,240 like I don't know, maybe imprisoning him it isn't better, 241 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,759 But I don't know. Death just seems trying to kill 242 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:44,960 him just seems pretty final. 243 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,279 Speaker 1: I think your brother would love it because it's very machiavellian, 244 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,919 where it's like I take out Silko and we save 245 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,080 so many lives from preventing a war from happening. 246 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: Perhaps, but I don't. Yeah, I don't know which one 247 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:02,720 would be my brother in this issue, whether whether he's 248 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:07,440 want the war or not. But I do think that 249 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,840 I do remember him talking about this show, and he 250 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,399 did say like it was overhyped and he felt like 251 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,840 it was good, but it was like the average anime 252 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:21,480 that was some some sort of thing that he felt. Now, 253 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:23,799 I was definitely way more hyped at the time than 254 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,840 he was about it, but that that was in case 255 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:29,639 you guys care about Animax view. That was it for 256 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,279 the first season. 257 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,039 Speaker 1: I think Arcane is, especially those first three episodes and 258 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,320 just overall the first season. I think it is I 259 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,039 don't want to say a masterpiece because I don't want 260 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:40,559 to go that far, but it does a lot of 261 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,000 things right and that I have issues with anime with 262 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,120 and I love anime. Anime is my favorite. I have 263 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,559 so many animes I love. I have a lot of 264 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,360 anime that I like more than arcane. But I have 265 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,600 found that like a lot of the thing. But I've 266 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:53,240 watched like three hundred plus shows, so now when I 267 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:55,600 watch an anime, I'm like, please don't do this, and 268 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:57,720 then they end up doing it, like turning Victor in 269 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,039 Like I can I can see an anime giving fucking Victor, 270 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,000 like making him a villain, putting him him in fucking 271 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:09,600 like some type of villain esque art style or costume afterwards, 272 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,440 and going that route with his like shimmer and then 273 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,440 technology and whatever, and then being jealous of Jase or 274 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:21,240 doing or like going crazy because of what happened with 275 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,879 with his assistant and like because of the Shimmer making 276 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,639 him go crazy and just turning him into a villain. 277 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:29,399 That's one example. I just also feel like one thing 278 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,960 with these characters is like I don't know, I feel 279 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,200 like they're so interconnected and it's like slow character development 280 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,879 to be where they're at versus so many times I 281 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,639 just feel like it's so quick and as he pointed out, 282 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:45,240 that's not a perfect series. There are things that are rushed. 283 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,879 I just find like, I just love how every character 284 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,039 their endpoint makes so much sense to me. And I 285 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,519 didn't even fully rewatch it, so it's not super super 286 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,480 fresh in my mind, but I remember having that viewpoint 287 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,519 and upon rewatch a little bit here just being like, 288 00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:02,240 all these characters, like starts and finishes make so much sense. 289 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm just reading like some of the comments like breaks 290 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,399 and goals and being Vander and Benzo and Animac being 291 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:15,039 Soilko makes too much sense Red of com It's funny. 292 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I love Van Vander, but Soilko is my favorite. 293 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,799 Soilko and Jinx are my favorite character. 294 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad Vander that we meet in the beginning of 295 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,679 the series just seems like such a great guy. Clearly 296 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:30,720 he he softened with age and understood, not that he 297 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,360 couldn't kick ass still, but he understood that violence isn't 298 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:37,960 necessarily the answer. The young one was probably way more 299 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:41,200 complex and willing to do some darker things. 300 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:43,879 Speaker 1: That's another thing you said. It's like out of character 301 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:46,000 for him to do that, and obviously, like I wish 302 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,320 if we had more backstory as to what happened there. 303 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,600 But I do think Vander was probably way more reckless 304 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:53,960 and wild as he said. He was so much more 305 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,039 like Vibe when he was younger, and they called him 306 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:58,519 the hound of the underground, and he earned the respect 307 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:01,480 of all these different people underground and stuff. So he 308 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:04,840 was definitely a different person before old age and family 309 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,240 softened him up. 310 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: Another thing that I've noticed about the show, which is 311 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:15,039 not necessarily make it a bad show, But I don't 312 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,879 necessarily love any of the characters. Let me know how 313 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:22,840 you feel about that. But you know, with some with 314 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,799 some shows, some of your favorite shows, you probably have 315 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:29,120 characters you love, like Our Quick go To is always 316 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,480 one piece with like Lufy and Zoro and Sanji. But 317 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,799 here all the characters are flawed, which is good character writing. 318 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,600 But also I don't love any of the characters. Like 319 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,320 Jenks is crazy, like she has some badass moments, but 320 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,480 I don't love her as a charter like. I don't 321 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:53,200 love her character. She's one of those like classic crazy 322 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,559 people who like hear voices in their head trying to 323 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,639 compete like over like the Joker style. She's like a 324 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:06,759 young Carley Quinn. And Jace is like is the closest, 325 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,359 but even he is I don't know, Like it's not 326 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:12,799 a strong feeling of of I love this character. 327 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: So I'm definitely not with you there. I love Jinx 328 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:17,720 and Silko so much. 329 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. She's just crazy and why do. 330 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: You love but she's not just crazy? It makes like 331 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,000 the amount of stuff that she's went through to become crazy, 332 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,839 and then like having someone accept her that the fucking 333 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,000 villain is so crazy and like she she essentially killed 334 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:38,920 two of her like not siblings, but like as if 335 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,960 they're siblings and father. 336 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,839 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but why do you love her? That's what 337 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,640 I'm saying. I'm an interesting character. 338 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: I just think it's she's I think she's so interesting 339 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,200 that I love her, and then like her becoming this 340 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,799 badass character when she was the weak powder that was 341 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,599 like was the Jinx and causing all these things to 342 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:02,359 go wrong and like wasn't strong enough to keep up 343 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,880 with Vi and everyone else to turning into such a 344 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,680 fucking beast and likes being so badass but also having 345 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,599 it be good writing that how she got to that 346 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:12,519 point making sense makes me love her. 347 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,519 Speaker 2: Okay, I guess people do love the joker. I just 348 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:21,160 find it hard to you know, put my horse behind uh, 349 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,359 such crazy unstable characters. But it's interesting for sure, obviously. 350 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,519 And in the end it's ironic that her killing Silko 351 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,599 is what hardened her as Jinks, right, yeah, because she 352 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,200 could have killed Vi or Caitlyn or Silko, and then 353 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,880 she ended up killing Silko and you'd assume, Okay, now 354 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,599 VI's there, she's gonna become quote unquote powder again, but no, 355 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,240 she feels remorse. He tells her he never would have 356 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,000 given her up for anything, and honestly, it's probably true. 357 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,319 And then she actually hardens into Jinks, and then she 358 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,240 wants to see the world burn, which is interesting story writing. 359 00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:12,160 Just don't know how much I like the character. And 360 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,480 then she does that amazing like firing the thing right 361 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,359 into the people that are currently working, thanks to Jason, 362 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,279 towards peace and they're all agreeing, yes, we will give 363 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:29,359 them their own land. We're all on board. And then meanwhile, 364 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,759 as they're doing this, Jinks's weapon is about to come 365 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,240 and explode, killing or seriously injuring them all. 366 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:43,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely a crazy ending, I will say, just 367 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,400 like happy endings in this series. 368 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:50,079 Speaker 2: Well, there is an ending to be fair still going, 369 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,920 But I will say that this has to be, for me, 370 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,079 one of the best cliffhangers ever. Yeah, regardless of how 371 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,160 much you love the show and the characters, like this 372 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:09,720 cliffhanger is so good, such a crazy, interesting, badass way 373 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:12,799 to end season one. Going to season two, it's gonna 374 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:17,240 be a lot to keep up with and to kind 375 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,759 of follow up on. But that last episode, Oh it 376 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:22,960 stays with you, so masterfully done. 377 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. I'm kind of on your page 378 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,920 with like some of the I like Fi and I 379 00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:33,559 like Jase, and I like Victor, but I don't love them. 380 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:36,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love Jace. Like Jace like is cool 381 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:39,359 in the sense that you know you you get he's 382 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,119 from the outside, so he started as an underdog. Then 383 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,599 he's like pushing the boundaries. He's a good guy's loyal 384 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,559 to his friend. Him using that hammer is sick, Like 385 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,480 that hammer is freaking amazing, you know. He he hooks 386 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,599 up with mel Like that's all interesting. But yeah, I 387 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:57,559 don't love him. I don't. 388 00:20:57,559 --> 00:20:59,759 Speaker 1: I don't like I agree with that. I do like 389 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:02,920 what he's pushing towards and that it's an interesting concept 390 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,079 of like trying to fuse like magic with science and 391 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,240 like Himan Dinger or whatever his name is, being like, 392 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:12,480 I've seen this magic in use and it'll bring nothing 393 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:17,599 but like but war and misfortune and stuff, but in 394 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,799 like a close minded human life, or like the amount 395 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:21,960 of good you could do with this, but then the 396 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:23,720 amount of weapons they could create from it in the 397 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:24,559 long run as well. 398 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: It always happens, It always historically with humans, it always happens. 399 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,640 So we got some terminator topics being raised again and 400 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:38,319 it always will be just because you know, technology progresses, 401 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,519 people plan to use it for good, becomes not so good, 402 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,359 and history repeats. 403 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting concept. I do like it. 404 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that I just I can't help, but 405 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:56,000 like when I see is loyalty. And with Jace, I 406 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:59,400 love how although it's so easy, people are pushing him 407 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,599 up to be the hero and he always brings in 408 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,400 this partner. He's like, you want to go up there, 409 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,559 do to speech with me? To Victor. He's never like, yes, 410 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:11,160 Pride go to my head, Ego, go to my head. 411 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,160 It's all me, it's not Victor. He never has that moment, 412 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,319 And I just really respect that he's always there for 413 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,960 his friend, like right, he hooks up with mel, she 414 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:25,200 wakes up, he's gone, He's checking up on Victor. Like 415 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,720 it's just you have to love those kinds of qualities. 416 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,160 So that's why I'm such a fan of Jason Nice. 417 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:36,559 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what this character's name is. 418 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,920 So one of the original cops or like officers, had 419 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,440 to deal with Vander, and they're kind of both agreed 420 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,319 that it's best to keep like the two Upper Ground 421 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,799 and Lower Ground separate, and like any war would be 422 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,880 bad for both sides, and they kind of just had 423 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,880 some agreements. We will leave you, We'll leave you alone 424 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,119 if you leave us alone. And of course there's the 425 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,599 issue at the beginning of the series where like Vibe 426 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,119 Powder and those two other idiots knowing. 427 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: What we know now, like how fucking idiotic is that? Yeah, 428 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,759 now that we know what's at stake, and and now 429 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,519 how frail and fragile the piece is, Oh, what what 430 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,759 a stupid move to try to rob the Upper City. 431 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,039 Speaker 1: Yeah for real, but you know what their kids, and. 432 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. They want to make their own 433 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,440 legends and they want to do their own feats, and 434 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,880 and it's true Vander was like that as a kid, 435 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,839 so although as an adult you have a different perspective 436 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,880 and you know how stupid it is. Vander was doing 437 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,960 that too, you know. 438 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: I mean, Vanders only who he is at that point 439 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,160 of the series because because of his past experiences and 440 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,480 growing up in the underground was basically probably like close 441 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:49,839 to nothing and nothing and a lot of bad role 442 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,000 models around you, and just like not like whatever criminal 443 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,559 activity happening in the underground, it completely makes sense that 444 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,400 these kids want to like learn their own lessons away. 445 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:05,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't mention that yet, but this whole 446 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:09,359 world is really cool, like the world building, the setting, 447 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:16,039 the nooks and crannies of the underworld, it feels cyberpunk esque. 448 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:20,400 It's not really, but it has those kind of like 449 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,160 heavily populated, it seems like there's so many infinite alley 450 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,799 ways to get lost behind. So yeah, I really liked 451 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,519 the feel of the Underground and setting an environment they 452 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:34,119 created there. 453 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: I completely agree the point I was going to get 454 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359 to you though, if in regards to the beginning, like 455 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,920 Vander and the officer had a kind of like a 456 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,519 compromise going or a deal going, and then of course 457 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:50,960 when Vander and the officer both end up dying. They 458 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,960 don't that the deal falls apart and like shit goes 459 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,839 goes crazy. But it was interesting that the underling to 460 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,000 that officer I don't know his name ended up kind 461 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,079 of learning the same lesson and striking a similar deal 462 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,440 with Silco until Jinks, you know, goes and ruins it 463 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,039 by blowing up it like whever Caitlin's family's tent. 464 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, or but to be fair and like, I feel 465 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:19,480 like Jinks is clearly set up as destroying the peace. Yeah, 466 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,319 but with sil and I guess she is playing for 467 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,519 Silko's that too, so she destroyed in that way too. 468 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,440 But if Silka is being honest that he wouldn't have 469 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,720 given over Jinks, then it's like that was part of 470 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,440 the agreement, so maybe there wouldn't have been peace anyways. Yeah, 471 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,319 although now having. 472 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: Seen them, wasn't the wasn't the council like coming to 473 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,000 that decision though, that they were just gonna like let 474 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:42,519 it happen. 475 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So that's that's the only thing, Like with 476 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,160 the decision he made with Jace, Jace made it seem 477 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,119 like we need Jinks to make this happen. But yeah, 478 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,920 after the council all said, yeah, we want peace, let 479 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240 him be their own thing. He probably would have been 480 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,119 able to wiggle out of it, but obviously Jinks kill 481 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,119 him and then declared war by doing that, so made 482 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,480 it impossible. But I'm just saying there is a world 483 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,799 where even if Jinks didn't kill Silko, that was part 484 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:14,640 of Jas's agreement and terms, and if he didn't give 485 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,799 Drinks over, maybe there could have been drama anyways, but true, true, 486 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,960 Just to not blame it all on Drinks, you know. 487 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,799 Speaker 1: I agree, But Jinks is such a tragic character and 488 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,960 such a chaotic character. I do want to say. I 489 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:30,680 was just kind of pointing out, like it was just 490 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,759 interesting to see, like how the officer grew as well. 491 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440 There's a lot of like little things and like growth 492 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,599 or development from characters that I really appreciated with this series. 493 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I even liked the There was cool scenes where 494 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,799 Silko is sort of reaffirming his authority with the up 495 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:54,400 and comers that work under him, right, and there was 496 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,000 that one guy who wanted to challenge him and then 497 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:01,720 he made him feel breathe in the under world air 498 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,240 and like the pollutant air of it, and the dude 499 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,039 couldn't even breathe. He was choking, and so Silko then 500 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:10,200 finally gave him the mask so he could breathe like 501 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,559 the new air, and he's like, you guys have gone soft. 502 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,119 You remember how it used to be Silko could obviously 503 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,119 breathe in the felthy air, showing the difference between him 504 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,920 and the softer up and covers. And then you even 505 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,640 have that guy trying to assassinate him, and it was 506 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,440 so sick. Silko was just standing there at the table. 507 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:35,519 His female bodyguard takes out the sword like it looks 508 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:38,240 like she's going to backstab him and kill him, and 509 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,839 he's like, but I found ruling here that you still 510 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:46,359 can't underestimate loyalty. And then the chick kills the guy 511 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,599 trying to kill him rather than that was such a sick, 512 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:50,519 sick scene. 513 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I could remember like specific detailed moments 514 00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,559 that I really really really liked that you have obviously, 515 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,440 like you said, like the ending with the rock it 516 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,839 infused with the hex crystal or whatever, going towards the 517 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,559 council building that like one of the bigger buildings in 518 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:09,000 the city. 519 00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:13,279 Speaker 2: One of the most like high moments in a show 520 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,559 like ever it's a top tier moment. 521 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, top tier moment. That was a really cool one. 522 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,200 I'm just because like I was kind of like rewatching, 523 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,079 but also like I've been moving, so I've been really busy. Yeah, 524 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,000 and these are the moments that I remember after like 525 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,960 a year as well. So I remember Jinx's monologue was 526 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,839 pretty cool or like there was like silco at like 527 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960 the fountain and he had this like chat could probably 528 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:37,839 quote it. They've quoted it to me already once this 529 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,319 stream where he was talking about like like having a 530 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000 daughter or whatever. There's like certain moments to me, like 531 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,559 it's like like or just like in my stuck in 532 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,599 my head because they were so cool. Echo versus Jinx 533 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,880 on the bridge was pretty cool, and Echo was the 534 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,240 young boy from the flashback as well. 535 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good points to bring up because first 536 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:02,480 of all, the whole surf like flying surfboards thing make 537 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,079 or skateboards, whatever you want to call them or makes 538 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,240 for such cool visuals and fight scenes, and that was 539 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,319 such a well done artistic fight where some of the 540 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:17,400 other fights were just interesting the way they were animated, 541 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,079 but this one overlapped past and present. So the versions 542 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,680 of these guys how they used to be and when 543 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,119 they were play fighting or training with let's say a 544 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,519 paintball gun and then him having like garbage can lid 545 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:36,279 for a shield, and it juxtaposed that to the tragic 546 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,720 reality where they ended up. So fucking well done, the 547 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:48,039 goosebump inducing these fights and the high moments are really 548 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,200 where the show shines. For sure, there's philosophy and everything, 549 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,640 but it's hard to beat the level of the intensity 550 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,039 with the fights and the animation. Yeah. 551 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,119 Speaker 1: Also, Vanders fight against one of the like juiced up 552 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,880 Silko dogs basically before Vander ended up dying. When Vanders 553 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,000 just like a normal dude and he puts on those 554 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,240 metal metal gatlands, but they weren't really gallants. I think 555 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,319 he like they were a makeshift because he was captured 556 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,039 at that time and he was already injured beyond belief 557 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,799 and he's fighting this juiced up dude that was taking 558 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:26,839 on people in a second and it was just such 559 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:27,599 a badass fight. 560 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and then you just by reminding me that, 561 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680 you remind me of that you do really feel bad 562 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,799 for drinks or I should say powder at that point 563 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:43,799 where she's just trying to help and She's always viewed 564 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,119 as a failure because her bombs don't work and they 565 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,319 finally work and you think you should celebrate, but they 566 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,839 work by killing her friends and it's so tragic. 567 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: God. 568 00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will say, you really get how she 569 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,640 ends up fucked up, like you you understand it. But yeah, 570 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:08,240 to me, I guess I've seen it these multiple voices 571 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:11,400 talking in the head already with characters like the Joker 572 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,039 that it's not mind blowing to me. But yeah, you 573 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:17,480 definitely see how she could end up messed up. 574 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,599 Speaker 1: M I mean, I love a crazy like a crazy villain, 575 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,200 but when it makes sense, it just it interests me 576 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,720 so much more. 577 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does make sense here. 578 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,559 Speaker 1: I thought some crazy theories that Vander might still be alive. 579 00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:37,640 Blah blah blah. 580 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,279 Speaker 2: They better be theories, bro, they better not be spoilers. 581 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: No, their theories, their theories. This is before season two 582 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,079 even came out. 583 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,599 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so I don't even know. Maybe you know, 584 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,759 but probably not. So this is based off of League 585 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,759 of Legends lore, right, m hm. So are these all 586 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,720 playable characters in the in the thing or or are 587 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,319 they made up characters just existing within that world? 588 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,119 Speaker 1: So Jakes to the character VI a character. I'm sure 589 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,880 a bunch of these are actual characters and some aren't. Okay, 590 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:09,640 I don't think Vander is a character. 591 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: That's such a good advertisement for the game, and especially 592 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,920 how good you'd make it, because you'd think it would 593 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960 be like those old shows that they made just like 594 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,519 advertised toys and like they didn't put a lot of 595 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:27,200 thought into it. But they really made this good. It did. 596 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:29,799 It did not need to be this good for what 597 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,680 it is, but I'm glad they made it good. 598 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: It's only yeah, it's only a few of them. They 599 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,759 take the world and the lore and they turned it 600 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,119 into this beautiful story. Yeah, but I think it will 601 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,880 make I think, unfortunately, it will make people play Legal Legends. 602 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:47,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I never played. I'm not planning on it. But yeah, 603 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,799 I enjoyed the show for sure, which is cool because 604 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,200 I am not a guy who was into League of Legends. 605 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:59,160 That is completely unassociated with me liking the show, and 606 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,599 so it's impressive that they could bring an outsider in 607 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,640 and just have them get hyped about the show. 608 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Vander is not a character, but there is 609 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,799 a character in the show in the game, and then 610 00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:12,920 that's why there's all these theories, but I don't think 611 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,359 it has come true as of yet. 612 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,079 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we'll see because anything could happen because there 613 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,559 is magic and it was It's a again, Game of 614 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,519 Thrones comes to mind. Game of Thrones was interesting and 615 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:31,519 maybe even the best for me when it was very 616 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,200 small focus on magic in the early season and then 617 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:40,119 probably earlier seasons most most most of it. But then 618 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,039 they start bringing in more magic and that could be 619 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,920 good or bad depending on how it's done. It could 620 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,599 be overpowering, but yeah, it depends how it's done. Here. 621 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640 This first season clued us in on the magic, like 622 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:57,200 Jace was saved by a magic spell, but they didn't 623 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:02,680 have wizards or whatever they're called really in this season. 624 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,480 They just had technology that replicated magic. So I'm guessing 625 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,800 in the next season or eventually, we'll be introduced to 626 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,519 actual mages who can use magic, and I don't know 627 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,119 where they are right now, so I'm interested in that. 628 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:20,159 That's something that keeps me intrigued in in the world 629 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,079 of Arcane. 630 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: Apparently, so they plan on making other series within the 631 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,679 same world. I don't know if it's going to be 632 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,119 like future seasons or if it's the actual other series 633 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,639 altogether within the same world, because whatever this specific city 634 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,360 is is one that decided to be built upon and 635 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,960 like like without magic, right, and like they try to 636 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,199 rebuild without magic. But it stands the reason that there 637 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,360 are other cities around the world that might still have 638 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:53,440 mages hidden. 639 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But to me, that's so intriguing is there? 640 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,159 Because first of all, why aren't Mage controlled places attacking? 641 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,280 Are these guys too strong? Are they the strongest city? 642 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,199 And then how didn't Mages sneak into the city And 643 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,239 if they did, how do we avoid them this whole time? 644 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,119 Or are they not related to any of the things? 645 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,440 Maybe some characters we didn't think our majors end up 646 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,719 being mages later on, who knows, we'll see. But yeah, 647 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,239 that's something that I really thought about this time, because 648 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:28,039 Jason the beginning was saved with magic and then they 649 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,239 don't really bring it up again. So I look forward 650 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,760 to ye seeing something major. 651 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,639 Speaker 1: It was another thing like they were they were in 652 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,239 the middle of a snowstorm on the other side of 653 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,400 the world, right, Yeah, and then the mage teleports him 654 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,559 and his mother to a sunny place near this city, 655 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,920 I believe, Yeah, I'd see they basically transport. They like, 656 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,760 that's why Jason outsider. He was basically transported like halfway 657 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,159 around the world and that was only like probably like 658 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,000 twenty to thirty years ago at this point. So can 659 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,599 we definitely still may just are still alive for sure. 660 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:05,719 I'm very intrigued by it. 661 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 2: Can we just talk about like Caitlyn's mom and how 662 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,239 much she sucks, Like she supported Jace and then like 663 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,199 when Jace was not liked for what he did, she 664 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,440 like hated him and like, don't talk to my daughter, 665 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,719 and then he gets public favor again and she's like, yeah, 666 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,119 I'm on Jace's team again. 667 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:25,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. 668 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,679 Speaker 2: The flip flopping of Caitlyn's mom, So she. 669 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: Wants what's best for her kid. And Jace was at 670 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,000 one point banned from the university and they were paying 671 00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:43,079 and like sponsoring him. It's still crazy, like the complete 672 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,039 flip like don't even talk to my daughter ever again. 673 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I get I get it, I do 674 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,039 get it. I get it. Yeah. As a parent, she's 675 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:55,320 just trying to create probably the best reality for opportunities 676 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:59,360 for her daughter and the family, and sometimes that means 677 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:04,039 separating from Jason. Sometimes that means letting him in. It's 678 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,719 just like the flip flopping of the extremes is just like, bro, 679 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,000 where's the lay anyway? 680 00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: I shipped via in Caitlyn anyway, So Okay, I don't 681 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,519 really care about the chase Caitlyn. 682 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:26,679 Speaker 2: Jase Caitlyn. Yeah, like I that was like the childhood 683 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:31,639 friend thing. So I don't know. Yeah, this this show 684 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,199 isn't really interesting to ship for me. Like, the only 685 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,920 thing I know is that mel and Jace get together, 686 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,039 and that's not shipping, that's just they do. So I 687 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,800 don't know if there's space for Caitlin there, you know, for. 688 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: Job VI and Caitlyn. Nothing happened between them and the series, correct, So. 689 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,039 Speaker 2: The only thing is Jinx said your girlfriend, but obviously 690 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,199 with girls, that could just mean your friend. 691 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: Right yeah, or like she's just like messing with them, 692 00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,199 right yeah yeah, like you care about your girlfriend more 693 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,519 than me exactly. 694 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think there was I don't know. 695 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: I think there was sexual tension between Buy and Caitlin, 696 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,559 but hey, that's just a theory. I don't remember a 697 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:16,000 year ago. 698 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. They're like, but yeah, 699 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,159 that would be speculation at that point. 700 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,559 Speaker 1: Anything else we need to cover. I'm excited for season 701 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:35,840 two next week. We are, Uh one year was three 702 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,400 years ago? What season one was three years ago? That's 703 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,480 fucking crazy. 704 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, like us, how long we've been in this 705 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,679 internet game. It gets crazy sometimes to consider. 706 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and someone was asking, like, didn't you guys already 707 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,199 do an episode on this? We did a Rank Cafe episode, 708 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,159 not an anime virgin on this, although I probably will 709 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,679 upload this to anime Virgin because arcane is I mean 710 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,440 from the Rank FA because our cane is popping right now. 711 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:05,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I double checked, but I don't think we've done 712 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,559 it on this one. But yeah, yeah, I think that's it. 713 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,639 I'm excited for the next season. I think that, like 714 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,039 I said, one of the best cliffhangers of all time. 715 00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,599 So good with some of the hype moments. The story 716 00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:22,239 is interesting, even though I'm not super gung ho about 717 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,519 any of the characters. Uh. Yeah, I'm excited and optimistic 718 00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:27,400 about season two. 719 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for season two. We're going to cover 720 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,000 that next week, I'm assuming. Yeah cool, I'm overall I 721 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,880 love season one. I'm not gonna call it a masterpiece, 722 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,599 but it's pretty fucking close. I'm with goes in that 723 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,519 there's a couple of the few characters that I just like. 724 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,079 The characters I love would be Jinx and Soco, but 725 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,679 most of I do think like they're well written characters. 726 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,920 I think there's so many hype moments with badass animation, 727 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,960 and the music is topp tier. Although the scene when 728 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,400 they like have the band singing, it's just so random 729 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:56,639 to me. 730 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,519 Speaker 2: The band is random. Think oh band singing? 731 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: The band singing like the theme theme song as a 732 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,519 cut between moments. 733 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 2: Can we just say that I love the theme song 734 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,119 and I always got excited when I was playing. I 735 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,400 never skipped it. It's just cool that imagine dragons and 736 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,280 then with Kaiju number eight one Republic and like all 737 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,960 these popular bands from the West are now not not 738 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000 that this is anime, but you know, they're developing these 739 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,400 actually really good theme songs for these animated shows. I 740 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:36,679 like the trend. I hope it keeps up. And yeah, 741 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,639 this one was a banger. 742 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many good things going for it. I'm 743 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,960 a kind of first season two. I hope it's good. 744 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,719 I think I haven't heard a lot of people talk 745 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,519 about it too much. 746 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely haven't that if you haven't. Yeah, that's 747 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,400 I'm even more out of the loop. So yeah, we'll 748 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,199 be here back next week talking about it. Until next time, 749 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,199 see a Space Cowboys bang