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Speaker 1: Pray Hudson. Welcome back to the show. How's it going, writer,
Speaker 1: Great to be here.
Speaker 2: I hope that you're getting geared up for the beginning
Speaker 2: of the summertime. Something I would like to mention that
Speaker 2: everybody take time for a Memorial Day and you know,
Speaker 2: remember what the day is actually about, and just you know,
Speaker 2: remember our fallen service members that you know, gave the
Speaker 2: ultimate sacrifice and the duty to our country. But being
Speaker 2: you know, someone on that somber note that, I hope
Speaker 2: everybody's getting ready for the summer and it's going to
Speaker 2: be absolutely fantastic for you and all the listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Trey. That's really important to remember,
Speaker 1: and you know, not just go out and drink and
Speaker 1: get all smashed for these kinds of holidays. I don't
Speaker 1: really know if they really do that for a Memorial Day,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think a lot of our holidays
Speaker 1: have been kind of hijacked in that sense. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just more of let's go out and party and
Speaker 1: like get as crazy and as well as we possibly can,
Speaker 1: and it takes away the true meaning of the actual holiday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by all means have fun, but everybody just remembers
Speaker 2: the cost of the ability to have that fun here
Speaker 2: in the US.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So I've been online a lot. This is kind
Speaker 1: of came from TikTok. Now, there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Did you go to public school? Train? Yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I did. Okay, Do you remember ever having any like
Speaker 1: weird or like strange us in public school? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, it's uh, I do remember. You know, when
Speaker 2: I was very young, I was in the gifted program.
Speaker 2: So you know, they gave you a a plethora of tests,
Speaker 2: you know, to test aptitude, intelligence, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And that was, you know, very young.
Speaker 1: I was in uh you know.
Speaker 2: Grade school, elementary, elementary school, and that happened. But I
Speaker 2: don't remember those tests being very strange. Now, albeit I
Speaker 2: didn't have a baseline to compare it to, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what all the other kids were being tested,
Speaker 2: so so, but I don't remember anything you know, particularly
Speaker 2: you know, jumping out at me like anything testing side
Speaker 2: capabilities or abilities or anything like that. Now, there was
Speaker 2: one test that I took very later on in life
Speaker 2: for the Central Intelligence Agency, and it was kind of odd.
Speaker 2: But that's that's a whole other story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this really grew it's becoming a really popular
Speaker 1: thing right now. Is like these gate programs they're calling
Speaker 1: in school now, there's a lot of confusion around it
Speaker 1: because people have a lot of You have the Gateway program,
Speaker 1: you got the Stargate program, which the Gateway program was
Speaker 1: the Robert Monroe Institute, right mustro travel. And then there's
Speaker 1: a Stargate program which was Ada Army Intelligence program. Yes
Speaker 1: excuse by on foreign and to collect foreign intelligence date now,
Speaker 1: but they're using this name as like a name for
Speaker 1: these programs that were going on in school now. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different theories as to what they were
Speaker 1: actually being used for. But several people remember listening, having
Speaker 1: headphones on, listening to strange audio recordings, getting flash cards,
Speaker 1: seeing flash cards, and having to predict what's going to
Speaker 1: be on the next flash card essentially, And I have
Speaker 1: a video here they were going to listen to that
Speaker 1: kind of explains a lot of this stuff. And it's
Speaker 1: one of the only ones that I could find that
Speaker 1: was in a long form type of content that details
Speaker 1: everything that they supposedly went through. And I reached out
Speaker 1: to some colleagues, some friends, and they've essentially confirmed this
Speaker 1: that was really going on that they were really doing
Speaker 1: this type of thing rules we're against children apparently. Wow.
Speaker 1: I found that really interesting because there's this article, well
Speaker 1: not an article, it's a part of a document that
Speaker 1: it was in the Sunstreak document. Here. Pull this up
Speaker 1: really quickly. I had seen it in weirdly from the
Speaker 1: documents that you sent me. Okay, so this document says
Speaker 1: that only scientific claim of detection i've remote viewing is known.
Speaker 1: Scientists claim to have detected remote viewing during their experiments
Speaker 1: with children. Okay, data on these experiments is insufficient to
Speaker 1: validate this claim. Work to replicate these experiments, however, is
Speaker 1: ongoing at SRRI. Now this is really weird because this
Speaker 1: looks like that it was apt to be stretched out
Speaker 1: right here, like they attempted to like mark this part. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this means that they're trying to
Speaker 1: duplicate the experiments that the Chinese was doing with children,
Speaker 1: because there isn't any documentation or evidence that SRI or
Speaker 1: any military we're doing any kind of experiments officially on children.
Speaker 1: But I just thought that this was really interesting how
Speaker 1: it looks like it's trying to be marked out, but
Speaker 1: it says to work to replicate these experiments. However, is
Speaker 1: going on at SRR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, that's that sounds really kind of scary
Speaker 2: and nefarious on the surface, and I understand how it
Speaker 2: could be shocking to people. But I'm gonna and once again,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to give the disclaimer. I have
Speaker 2: never personally worked in anything I'm getting ready to describe,
Speaker 2: but you know, I talk to people and you know,
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. So, uh, what a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't realize is a lot at a lot
Speaker 2: of the larger research universities there's a very very close
Speaker 2: symbionic relationship with the Department of Defence, especially ARPA but
Speaker 2: used to be called DARPA Advanced Research Projects Agency, And
Speaker 2: it makes sense that they take the best minds at
Speaker 2: the PhD and PhD candidate level and they fund research
Speaker 2: at the place's best equipped to do research, which is
Speaker 2: albeit research universities. Oftentimes this research is classified. Oftentimes this
Speaker 2: research is classified at the special Access level SAT programs.
Speaker 2: What a lot of people don't realize is a lot
Speaker 2: of your larger major research universities actually have contracting SAP
Speaker 2: oversight officers that manage these programs that the universities are
Speaker 2: applying research to so people that remember having these experiments,
Speaker 2: these pre cognitive experiments, you know, with the headphones and
Speaker 2: the flash cards and all of that. I always wonder
Speaker 2: if are these people who have had these experiences at
Speaker 2: their public schools. Are these public schools close to geographically
Speaker 2: a major research university that has a contract to do
Speaker 2: contract to do contract work research work with either DARPA,
Speaker 2: the Defense Department, Central Intelligence Agency, you know, or any
Speaker 2: of the whole slew of alphabet agencies.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that they would do this in school
Speaker 1: because it was the highly illegal for them to do
Speaker 1: experiments in an official military aspect on children, or experiments
Speaker 1: by three letter organizations on children in any kind of
Speaker 1: official capacity. So it would make sense that they would
Speaker 1: wrap these kinds of programs up into the public school curriculum.
Speaker 1: Then it becomes, well, what is the reason for that?
Speaker 1: And there's many theories which we're going to get into
Speaker 1: here in a little bit why that they would be
Speaker 1: doing that. But it would make sense because they couldn't
Speaker 1: just do it out in the open, and if you
Speaker 1: wanted to run these types of experiments, you would just
Speaker 1: wrap it into the public school system. So then no
Speaker 1: one really questioned it. It was just exactly like how
Speaker 1: you were saying that you didn't think that it was
Speaker 1: weird because you didn't have anything to run against it, right,
Speaker 1: And that makes sense because then people would be like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they wouldn't really know that it was strange
Speaker 1: or weird until like later on in life, and then
Speaker 1: everything gets really hazy, right moving forward, whenever you're older,
Speaker 1: and then you think that you remember something that happened,
Speaker 1: but our memory are really fallible.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'll give you an example of this. My
Speaker 2: youngest daughter, and I'm not going to go into details,
Speaker 2: but she has a as a child, had a pretty
Speaker 2: serious medical condition which is chronic and she manages it,
Speaker 2: you know, today successfully, And she was being treated at
Speaker 2: a a hospital affiliated with a major research university. It
Speaker 2: was the best hospital in the region to treat this
Speaker 2: particular malady. And she would get things all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, or sent to us saying, hey, we're trying
Speaker 2: a new procedure. You know, we're trying a new compound,
Speaker 2: We're trying this or that. Would you like for your
Speaker 2: daughter to be enrolled as a test subject? Compensation may
Speaker 2: be provided. Now we opted out of that. You know,
Speaker 2: that was our choice as a parent. But you know,
Speaker 2: if you want a group of research subjects that are
Speaker 2: untainted to test, perhaps are these skills learned which you know,
Speaker 2: as remote viewing is learned, you can teach remote viewing
Speaker 2: or is there an innate uh, you know, pre desperate
Speaker 2: disposition to this ability. What a better group of test
Speaker 2: subjects than our children. And you can even go back
Speaker 2: and look at the Civil Defense Agency and DOE Department
Speaker 2: of Energy. They had a program back in the fifties
Speaker 2: and sixties where they would collect baby teeth and you
Speaker 2: can look this up. If this is really kind of creepy,
Speaker 2: is they would send out these little containers to kids
Speaker 2: in elementary school and they would say, help science, you know,
Speaker 2: send us your baby teeth. And these kids, when their
Speaker 2: teeth would fall out, they would put them in these
Speaker 2: little envelopes their cans and send them the Department of Energy.
Speaker 2: And what DOE was doing is seeing how much radioactive
Speaker 2: fallout was being absorbed by children that resides in the
Speaker 2: marrow of their baby teeth.
Speaker 1: That is nuts, you know what happening That was in the.
Speaker 2: Fifties and sixties. Yeah, and you can look this up.
Speaker 2: Look up a Department of Energy collecting baby teeth and
Speaker 2: they had like little posters they put up and you know,
Speaker 2: in classes would have contests who could collect the most
Speaker 2: baby teeth and you know, be a good citizen, send
Speaker 2: in your baby teeth.
Speaker 1: Wow. I gave my tooth to science. Cold War cash
Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand baby teeth provides unique opportunity to
Speaker 1: understand long term radiation effects. Wow, so weird.
Speaker 2: There's your baseline.
Speaker 1: That is so weird.
Speaker 2: And that's actually from uh, that's actually from a university
Speaker 2: I think that article. Yeah, UNC Chapel Hill, University of
Speaker 2: North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Wow, this whole thing reads like a movie. You said,
Speaker 1: our study of radioactivity and baby teeth near nuclear reactors
Speaker 1: was powdering. After the original research, I became colleagues with
Speaker 1: several leaders on the study. No one study anything about
Speaker 1: baby teeth being leftover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the government has these giant cachets of baby teeth.
Speaker 1: I mean it.
Speaker 2: Reads like fiction, but it actually, you know, it actually happened.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And what's funny is you can go back and look
Speaker 2: at some of the h I'm not going to call
Speaker 2: it propaganda material, but the public affairs material that was
Speaker 2: sent out by the Department of Public Health the Department
Speaker 2: of Energy to you know, encourage children and their parents
Speaker 2: to participate. Is is just really a unique snapshot, you know,
Speaker 2: of some of the stuff that was going on during
Speaker 2: the Cold War. I'm a Cold War kid, you know,
Speaker 2: I grew up during the Cold War, so it was
Speaker 2: just a very different time. So it's a very very interesting,
Speaker 2: very quaint. But the other side of that same coin,
Speaker 2: it can be somewhat disturbing.
Speaker 1: A lot is wild. I did not know about that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me know. No, you're welcome. There's also
Speaker 1: really strange things like in Washington. Are you familiar with
Speaker 1: that story of like the shoes, like all like the
Speaker 1: thousands of shoes that were just washing up on shore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them had feet still in.
Speaker 1: Them, and what is the deal with that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I found it was a very soulful story. That's a bad,
Speaker 2: bad pun. Yeah, that's interesting. You know, I've seen all
Speaker 2: kinds of theories on that that, you know, their bodies
Speaker 2: that get caught in you know, the various vortepsis of
Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean and pieces wash up and since this,
Speaker 2: shoes are buoyant because of what the material. You know,
Speaker 2: when the rest of the body shluffs away, you still
Speaker 2: have an inverted foot that washes up on the shore.
Speaker 2: And because of the way the currents and eddies run,
Speaker 2: they you have a you know, like a little foot zone.
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, I guess is what you would
Speaker 2: call it there on the coast of Washington.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why in the shoes, Like you would think that, like,
Speaker 1: if you're in the water, why would you have shoes on?
Speaker 2: Well, that's it. You Are they murder victims? Are they
Speaker 2: refugees going from point A to point B in their
Speaker 2: boat sinks or capsizes? Are they victims of you know,
Speaker 2: some sort of unknown genocidal activity by a nation state.
Speaker 1: Or other group.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't know because all we have is
Speaker 2: a shoe and maybe a little bit of DNA in
Speaker 2: the in the shoe, and who knows, the world is
Speaker 2: a lot stranger than we realize.
Speaker 1: This NBC article is trying to say that that it's
Speaker 1: been solved, but that hasn't been solved.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, one one man's solution is another
Speaker 2: man's mystery. So that's you know, it's kind of loaded
Speaker 2: loaded wording there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is wild I haven't looked into it too much,
Speaker 1: but I was aware of it because it was a
Speaker 1: documentary series on Netflix though Unsolved Mysteries or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: But that one was weird. And then there was another one.
Speaker 1: The was it not rain, but like weird fish not fish,
Speaker 1: like jelly They blamed it on jellyfish, but it happened
Speaker 1: like twice or something, but it was like this weird.
Speaker 1: It was Washington blobs or something that was like the
Speaker 1: blobs that came out of the sky and apparently got
Speaker 1: a lot of people sick. And then they said that
Speaker 1: it was due to exploding jellyfish from the sea or
Speaker 1: something that I don't know now.
Speaker 2: What would really be cool if you had shoes washing
Speaker 2: up on the Washington Western coast filled with baby teeth.
Speaker 1: That would be a hell of a mystery there. All right,
Speaker 1: let's listen to this video Shane Dahlson's YouTube channel. It's
Speaker 1: Shane Dawson too. It's his YouTube channel. He does a podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a really popular person online that does a lot
Speaker 1: of conspiracy videos. And I'm just going to put up
Speaker 1: the disclaimer here because I don't know what is copyright
Speaker 1: stuff is, like, this is a fair use disclaimer Undersection
Speaker 1: one oh seven Other Copyright Actor of nineteen seventy six
Speaker 1: allowances me for fair use for purposes such as criticism, comment, news, reporting, teaching, scholarship, education,
Speaker 1: and research. And that is exactly what we're going to
Speaker 1: be doing here. Me and Trey Huntson is going to
Speaker 1: be commenting on the Shane Dawson podcast about the school
Speaker 1: date programs to gordoner more insight onto the topic. Here
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 3: That brings me to the theory that you were talking
Speaker 3: to me about.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Saving for the podcast, we got a bunch of emails
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the program.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you familiar with the program in schools?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was the that one.
Speaker 1: They edited out the name just for I guess being
Speaker 1: safe on this but gate program, you get it. I
Speaker 1: think that they're referring to this as they're saying the
Speaker 1: Gateway program, right, we know that that's not true.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like there's a bunch of different programs that
Speaker 5: have different names, but all of it was under the
Speaker 5: guise of the government is providing extra time to students
Speaker 5: that they think are.
Speaker 3: More equipped to exactly well, there was the weird I remember,
Speaker 3: like the weird tests.
Speaker 5: Yes, so this they used to test us in the nineties,
Speaker 5: at least I remember being tested.
Speaker 4: They would do a bunch of weird tests.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they would even say that they were doing a
Speaker 5: hearing test or an eye test.
Speaker 4: And because I don't want to be sued, I'm scared now.
Speaker 5: Just a theory, just a theory that when you put
Speaker 5: on those and by the way, like.
Speaker 4: I don't can you still see? Like the hearing tests,
Speaker 4: they'd take you to a portable that they like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like a trailer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you go into the portable, you sit down at
Speaker 5: place there's cards up so you can't see the person
Speaker 5: sitting next to you. There's like no windows around. They say,
Speaker 5: sit into this little tiny cubicle that we've made, and
Speaker 5: there's like a box. It almost looks like a nineteen
Speaker 5: eighties like plastic briefcase that's like a box.
Speaker 4: And they put it down and you put on these.
Speaker 5: Like old ass like headphones, and then a voice comes
Speaker 5: on and it's like a man's voice from the fifties
Speaker 5: and it says something like.
Speaker 4: All right, the voice you're about to hear is just
Speaker 4: in your right ear. Get ready for a hearing test
Speaker 4: made just for you.
Speaker 1: You should be hearing my voice in your right ear.
Speaker 1: That little clip right there is what has been supposedly
Speaker 1: triggering a lot of people hearing that voice.
Speaker 2: Oh, I recognize the voice absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: So do you remember that too, Well, no, when.
Speaker 2: They said you're getting ready to hear a noise in
Speaker 2: your right here, I know exactly what tape that came from.
Speaker 2: That's from the Gateway Program, Robert Monroe.
Speaker 1: That's what it is, dude. But how do they remember
Speaker 1: this being in school?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the only thing now that was that
Speaker 2: was in the nineties. You got to remember I graduated
Speaker 2: university in nineteen eighty seven, so that was uh, you know,
Speaker 2: that was well after uh, well after me. You know.
Speaker 2: It could be that the government, you know, gave a
Speaker 2: research grant to the Gateway program, or the Gateway licensed
Speaker 2: the hemisink program to uh, you know, to some agency
Speaker 2: or university to test uh susceptibility to sigh, you know,
Speaker 2: with students, uh, you know it and of course putting
Speaker 2: morality aside, legality aside, looking at it strictly from a
Speaker 2: research perspective, to me, it seemed like a reasonable way
Speaker 2: to go about testing uh, you know, sihability at an
Speaker 2: early age, you know, is to actually test these children
Speaker 2: using some thing that's well documented like uh HEMI sink.
Speaker 2: And we all know that the Monroe Institute was used
Speaker 2: by military personnel, I know, military personnel that went the gateway,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was paid for, you know, by
Speaker 2: the government. Uh Jim Shannon, you know, Colonel Shannon with
Speaker 2: the first Earth Battalion, I think did some Gateway stuff.
Speaker 2: And Bert's double Buying General Burt's double buyd was familiar
Speaker 2: with Gateway, so h you know, it makes sense to me. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's interesting that they picked up on that that voice
Speaker 2: because that is uh, you know Monroe, you know, from
Speaker 2: the Monroe Institute, and that's I can't remember which which
Speaker 2: level of the Gateway that is, but it's actually in
Speaker 2: the gateway. HEMI sink.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know programs I've used I've heard that same voice
Speaker 2: in my right ear. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I just got the major chills right now. I'm getting
Speaker 1: the chills because that is so strange. It's so weird. Hey,
Speaker 1: they're they're using the you can say, how people can
Speaker 1: get confused with this, right yeah, and thinking that they're
Speaker 1: a part of the Monroe Institute's Gateway program. And then
Speaker 1: how they're also confused about the Stargate program. Right if
Speaker 1: you're in school and you hear this and they're putting
Speaker 1: these headphones on you to test whatever experiment that they're doing,
Speaker 1: and you realize that those are the Monroe Institute Gateway
Speaker 1: tapes that you're hearing, you're going to think that you
Speaker 1: were a part of the Monroe Institute Gateway program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and something you have to be, you know, cognizant
Speaker 2: of is three programs I'm familiar with. Okay, one is
Speaker 2: Grill Flame Stargate, you know, the military remote viewing program.
Speaker 2: You have that, and then running adjacent to that you
Speaker 2: have Robert Monroe and the Gateway program, which we know
Speaker 2: is also utilized military personnel looking at enhancing side capabilities.
Speaker 2: Then the the third triad of that is, uh, in
Speaker 2: my mind just went completely blank, the Gateway Gateway. Oh,
Speaker 2: and then the Silver Mind Control program, which is another
Speaker 2: very similar program to Gateway. And you know, all of
Speaker 2: these programs are running kind of simultaneously, and there's a
Speaker 2: very thin tissue, thin veneer between the three programs, and
Speaker 2: it's it's reasonable to think that there might actually be
Speaker 2: some overlap that uh, you know, remote viewing potential could
Speaker 2: be enhanced by you know, Hemi Sink in the Gateway,
Speaker 2: you know, in Robert Monroe in the Monroe Institute, so
Speaker 2: that you know that makes sense. Actually know a another
Speaker 2: army intelligence guy that he says that he went to
Speaker 2: Gateway as a civilian after he got out.
Speaker 1: Of the army.
Speaker 2: But you know he also is very familiar with Jimmy
Speaker 2: Sink and has gone through the program himself.
Speaker 1: So who knows. Uh, this is getting weirder and weirder, Trey,
Speaker 1: weirder and weirder. I don't know how to connect all
Speaker 1: these things, but there's something weird going on. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: continue the video.
Speaker 5: Here they are saying this is not a hearing test,
Speaker 5: that is actually the beginning of a hypnosis, what very
Speaker 5: famously used by a lot of people. So I'm going
Speaker 5: to butcher all of this a little bit. But when
Speaker 5: it came to world the Cold War, that's like around
Speaker 5: that same time this organization started, which was I think
Speaker 5: was called the National Defense Education Act was created, which
Speaker 5: links education to national defense, which is are.
Speaker 1: You familiar with that? No?
Speaker 2: But it seems reasonable to me. You know that they
Speaker 2: showed a picture they showed was a President Eisenhower. So
Speaker 2: you know, there were a lot of things during the
Speaker 2: Cold War that tied in well, we just talked about
Speaker 2: the baby tea thing, you know, that tied in defense
Speaker 2: and early childhood education interesting, weird.
Speaker 5: And they started funding programs for gifted children around that time.
Speaker 5: Like when I was in elementary school was the early nineties,
Speaker 5: and my friend Hayley actually was I was in, which
Speaker 5: is a different thing, but it's because I didn't take
Speaker 5: the test seriously. But she doesn't remember much from the
Speaker 5: program at all because when I started, I was like,
Speaker 5: you were in, right, She goes, yeah, I go where
Speaker 5: the where was it? She goes, You know, it was
Speaker 5: in like a small room off the library, I think,
Speaker 5: But like I don't really remember much about it. And
Speaker 5: that's the thing most kids and I don't remember very
Speaker 5: much about I.
Speaker 1: Was in it.
Speaker 3: What I think I was in it. I took There
Speaker 3: was the hearing test.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a weird like.
Speaker 1: Flash card test.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where it was like you're predicting the car, yes,
Speaker 3: predicting the fucking car.
Speaker 5: Okay, you might have been in because this is something
Speaker 5: that all the kids remember, so they would do they
Speaker 5: all everybody everybody talks about the ropes and the different
Speaker 5: colored ropes. I was supposed to, Oh my god, you're like,
Speaker 5: literally my nipples are so hard right now.
Speaker 1: They're joking, but apparently that's like a thing like they
Speaker 1: And dude, I loved nerd robes when I was growing up.
Speaker 2: I freaking love And I vaguely remember, of course, like
Speaker 2: like I said, I was a child early not early
Speaker 2: in the Cold War, but right in the midst of
Speaker 2: the Cold War in the sixties when I started elementary school,
Speaker 2: and I vaguely remember something with an aptitude test and ropes,
Speaker 2: no way, and of course this is you know, this
Speaker 2: is kind of one of those things. And everybody listening
Speaker 2: take this for what it's worth. Is this this is
Speaker 2: like stirring up some memories that I haven't thought about
Speaker 2: in a very long time. Uh. But I, like I said,
Speaker 2: I was in the gifted program. And the school that
Speaker 2: I was originally tested in was Metcalf Elementary School in Gainesville, Florida. Okay,
Speaker 2: what else is in Gainesville, Florida. There's a little school
Speaker 2: called the University of Florida, which is a major research university.
Speaker 2: I transferred from Metcalf Elementary School to a place called
Speaker 2: High Tower Elementary School into cab County, Georgia, and then
Speaker 2: later on moved over to a thing called Peachtree Elementary
Speaker 2: School in Gwenett County. What major research institute do we
Speaker 2: have that has ties to DARPA that's in that Atlanta area,
Speaker 2: the Georgia Institute of Technology.
Speaker 1: Just saying.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, and so makes you wonder maybe is it
Speaker 2: an accident that I went into the career field I
Speaker 2: did and ended up doing the stuff I'm doing now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so, and that's
Speaker 1: just me. I don't have any proof of it. I don't,
Speaker 1: but that is what several people that I've talked to
Speaker 1: that's been inside of the intelligence community, just as yourself,
Speaker 1: your former d D and Army intelligence. I've talked to
Speaker 1: other former do D, Army Intelligence CIA agents and they
Speaker 1: have all said almost identically the same thing that you're
Speaker 1: saying right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to tell you something that will really
Speaker 2: scramble your brain. Is you know, as we talked about before,
Speaker 2: my background, as I studied psychology at the University of
Speaker 2: West Georgia and they had people like Bill Roll on
Speaker 2: their faculty. Famous parapsychologists Bill Roll and Chris Anstus, Don Rise,
Speaker 2: Mike Aarons, who was at protege of Abraham Maslow, those
Speaker 2: kind of guys. I was an ROTC there, and when
Speaker 2: your fourth year of ROTC, while you're a college senior,
Speaker 2: university senior, you're branched in the army, you know, so
Speaker 2: you know what you're going to do. And I was
Speaker 2: branch military intelligence. And one of my professors, you know, asked, Hey,
Speaker 2: what did you end up getting branched? And I said
Speaker 2: Army Intelligence and he goes, yeah, you're going to end
Speaker 2: up a SRI, which I never did, but he was
Speaker 2: kind of joking and said, yeah, you're here going to SRI.
Speaker 1: But you had a major interest in ith.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. In my senior thesis was on
Speaker 2: dream analysis, so I was, you know, absolutely tracking along
Speaker 2: that route.
Speaker 1: Trey, This is blowing my mind right now.
Speaker 2: But professionally I did counterintelligence and security, so I didn't. Professionally,
Speaker 2: I never did anything like that, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: in my career, but my interest was always there and
Speaker 2: it was always percolating there in the background. As we
Speaker 2: know with the Metal Project and other stuff.
Speaker 1: This seems like and I don't mean to jump the
Speaker 1: gun here. We're going to finish the rest of this video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, I totally went down a rabbit trail.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, bring up anything as you get it.
Speaker 1: But I think that these programs were to detect people
Speaker 1: that is going to be good for the military and
Speaker 1: for the intelligence community. I mean that would make that's
Speaker 1: what these programs are for. They test you, They test
Speaker 1: your mental acuity, they tested your parapsychology, your psychic abilities.
Speaker 1: They're doing it all. They're wrapping it all up into
Speaker 1: one and a lot of people that were that I've
Speaker 1: talked to that are confirmed former former FBI, former CIA,
Speaker 1: former d D, former Armory intelligence just like yourself, what
Speaker 1: your DoD and Army intelligence. But it seems like they're
Speaker 1: all wrapped up into the same thing. Okay, whenever they
Speaker 1: go through these programs, they're kind of watched throughout their career.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like pushed in a in a certain direction.
Speaker 1: They're kind of there's someone in the background that's kind
Speaker 1: of there to get them to go in and in
Speaker 1: like a certain direction. Because they've been tested, they know
Speaker 1: their abilities, they know what they're going to be good
Speaker 1: at so they they get them a part of the
Speaker 1: intelligence community, to get them a part of the military.
Speaker 1: That seems to be exactly what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do know that, you know, at least for
Speaker 2: army intelligence. And some of the things they look for,
Speaker 2: strangely enough, are people that have degrees in the humanities.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not necessarily looking for people like with
Speaker 2: engineering degrees. Is they want people with degrees like in literature, music, psychology,
Speaker 2: you know, people that have you know, a very broad,
Speaker 2: you know, broad understanding of the world and able to
Speaker 2: look at, you know, the big picture of things.
Speaker 1: I think that that's what's going on. I think that
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Now. There's you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people want to put the kind of woo woo
Speaker 1: spin on, Yeah, like we're like it was for or
Speaker 1: you know, communicating with aliens, which this is one of
Speaker 1: the theories that they're gonna mention right the rest of this video.
Speaker 1: But just like everything within the community, you've been on
Speaker 1: this show several times, we've examined so much stuff, all
Speaker 1: these strange and weird cases. There's normally always a based
Speaker 1: rational explanation for a lot of this stuff. And I
Speaker 1: think that that is the based rational explanation for what's
Speaker 1: going on with these gate programs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know and Walker, you know, Walker
Speaker 2: has had echoed it, and I've echoed it when he
Speaker 2: said is one thing. The government is very pragmatic, you know,
Speaker 2: extremely pragmatic. And you know, when you find a student
Speaker 2: that has musical aptitude, you you nurture that aptitude and
Speaker 2: maybe they become a famous concert pianist. Why not with
Speaker 2: other stuff?
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, let's get more into this video.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll trigger some more things for you.
Speaker 5: Do you also feel like you've had like, do you
Speaker 5: have reoccurring dreams where you feel like.
Speaker 2: I can't do this right now?
Speaker 4: Okay, do you want me to leave you alone?
Speaker 5: Do you have like reoccurring dreams where you feel like
Speaker 5: you're like, to some degree they're predictive of the future,
Speaker 5: and then something happens that you.
Speaker 3: All the fucking time My life is that I'm literally
Speaker 3: post with Ben. I've had all these weird moments and
Speaker 3: then the next day I meet them.
Speaker 4: This is crazy. You keep going, Okay, so.
Speaker 1: Have you had that tree?
Speaker 2: What nipples?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Where are your nipples? Super wrong card right now?
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they are let's talk after the show. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, I, uh yeah, I've had precognitive dreams. One
Speaker 2: of the one of the most profound ones. And you know,
Speaker 2: my my coworkers and my wife can attest to this
Speaker 2: is after the Challenger disaster, you know, is I had
Speaker 2: a dream, you know, quite a while afterwards, I said,
Speaker 2: I dreamt that like part of the wing of the
Speaker 2: Challenger washed up on a beach. And then the next
Speaker 2: day a news report came out that the largest piece
Speaker 2: of wreckage of the Challenger was found that very weak.
Speaker 2: But I had dreamed about it before it was actually released,
Speaker 2: you know, to the public. So you know, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think most people that explore that, you know, that area
Speaker 2: themselves have you know, precognitive dreams.
Speaker 1: Wow, another one, another one confirmed. That's so strange. I've
Speaker 1: never really had anything like that happened to me. Now.
Speaker 1: I've had dreams where like I've dreamed of someone and
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them in like a really long time,
Speaker 1: and then when I wake up, I went to lunch
Speaker 1: and then I seen them. Yeah, dreams like that before,
Speaker 1: but nothing like surrounding a a a vent or a
Speaker 1: disaster or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, dreams or just a stepping putting our
Speaker 2: toe in the pond on the other side of the
Speaker 2: limital liminal awareness, you know, which is what we do
Speaker 2: when we remote view. So it's you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: It makes sense that you can access the past, future,
Speaker 2: other people, you know, anywhere in the universe or other universes,
Speaker 2: you know, through your dream dream cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird, weird.
Speaker 5: Did they give you a tiny, like a weird little
Speaker 5: pink drink? Do you remember getting a little pink drink?
Speaker 2: I thought that was to test my bloodshigar.
Speaker 5: No, So everybody literally like can you see my nipples?
Speaker 4: What nibbles going on?
Speaker 5: Everybody in the program remembers getting a little pink drink,
Speaker 5: and after that pink drink, they don't remember much else
Speaker 5: until something like this happens and there's an exchange and
Speaker 5: they're like, no, I remember this, and I remember the
Speaker 5: weird sheeps. And they would show me these cards and
Speaker 5: they'd want me to know what was on the next
Speaker 5: card before I saw the cards, so I was.
Speaker 4: Like predicting what was on the card.
Speaker 5: And they would put something in a box and I'd
Speaker 5: have to know what was in the box, and they'd
Speaker 5: make me wear three D glasses.
Speaker 4: It's like one red eye, one blue eye. And yeah,
Speaker 4: so all of that they believe. The theory says is we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna get into the theory stuff here. But do you
Speaker 1: remember ever taking any kind of drink or a substance,
Speaker 1: A pink drink, anything like that.
Speaker 2: I like pina coladas. No, No, I don't remember the
Speaker 2: drink specifically. Now, they were doing, you know, back in
Speaker 2: the olden days, they were doing a lot of vaccinations,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm trying to remember there was some
Speaker 2: I can't remember for it was polio or something that was
Speaker 2: in a small drink.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: In memory is a tricky thing. Sometimes events that are
Speaker 2: widely spaced people remember as a single event. So but
Speaker 2: I do remember vision tests, and I do remember hearing tests,
Speaker 2: and I remember something with the ropes which just could
Speaker 2: have been a cognitive test for intelligence, you know, an
Speaker 2: IQ test, and I fooled them all. My IQ is
Speaker 2: only actually about eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Uh, but Ritra, but uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to
Speaker 2: tip the weight staff. Uh yeah. So you know, I
Speaker 2: remember a lot of that. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: those things. Uh, and you know, I do remember vision tests,
Speaker 2: you know, having to put on like glasses and you know,
Speaker 2: and I remember something about it was something to do
Speaker 2: with a circus. They showed like an image of like
Speaker 2: a like a merry go round or an elephant or something,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, what is this? And I
Speaker 2: remember my mother taking me too, and I want to
Speaker 2: say it was the University of Florida for some tests,
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't. I was so young. I
Speaker 2: just don't recall any specificity of it. Unfortunately, both my
Speaker 2: parents have passed. But uh, yeah, I uh, some of
Speaker 2: the some of the stuff is ringing true with me.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I would be very curious to see if the
Speaker 2: people that are remembering this attended elementary school near a
Speaker 2: major research university.
Speaker 1: Seems to be the case. Sorry.
Speaker 5: Continue is an educational program that's inspired by or directly
Speaker 5: linked to the mk Ultra program. And the mk Ultra
Speaker 5: program was when they were fucking around with mind control
Speaker 5: and psychedelic drugs and like the men who talked to
Speaker 5: goats shit, And also I would say, stranger.
Speaker 1: The men whose they gootes she got, I'll give her a.
Speaker 4: Past yeah for things. Because all of this sounds a
Speaker 4: lot like what happened to eleven.
Speaker 5: Everybody who was in the not everybody, but like most
Speaker 5: people I've spoken to don't remember a thing about it.
Speaker 4: They have all those things that you remember. They think
Speaker 4: that was the hearing and seeing tests in school.
Speaker 1: And so what was their goal?
Speaker 4: What we want to prep these kids for?
Speaker 5: They wanted to prep these kids to start learning how
Speaker 5: to which you fucking later did in a video astral
Speaker 5: projection astral projection and that thing that you did where
Speaker 5: he gets cheesecake factory remote viewing. Yes, so all of
Speaker 5: the kids that they were all off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and.
Speaker 5: It's crazy because I was thinking about that on the
Speaker 5: way over here, stressed. And so the point was because
Speaker 5: they were worried about all these things going on, Like
Speaker 5: this was the educational defense system that they were putting
Speaker 5: together because kids have like a thinner veil and are
Speaker 5: more open and more suggestible. And the extension of this
Speaker 5: where it becomes a little cuckoo.
Speaker 1: Nuts okay, is good, it becomes well.
Speaker 5: So like honestly, like I'm with the theory to this
Speaker 5: point because I know that the government does weird stuff,
Speaker 5: and I know that they get like creative about things
Speaker 5: like there's a bunch of private companies that their sole
Speaker 5: existence is to be creative and come up with weird weapons,
Speaker 5: like different weapons development, things like that's their sole function
Speaker 5: and purpose.
Speaker 4: So of course someone's going to think like, oh, let's
Speaker 4: tap into the next generation the step further.
Speaker 1: Which then gets into like what you're saying in the
Speaker 1: early eighties, like if you control the education system, then right,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years, thirty years, then you're going to
Speaker 1: have a completely mind control society because those people that
Speaker 1: are coming of now are going to be in positions
Speaker 1: of power later on.
Speaker 2: Well, something you have to and you know this is
Speaker 2: it's really important that we keep things in context. The
Speaker 2: Cold War was a very very scary time. And in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy and I just happened to have a copy
Speaker 2: of the book laying right next to me. This book
Speaker 2: came out, and it's called Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain,
Speaker 2: and it says the most important book about esp research
Speaker 2: and the validity of cult tradition yet to appear, Astonishing
Speaker 2: facts behind psychic research and official laboratories from Prague to Moscow,
Speaker 2: And it talks about the Soviets and the other countries
Speaker 2: under the Soviets sphere of influence, the Communist block, the
Speaker 2: com block, really delving into psychic research, you know, in
Speaker 2: doing the remote viewing, doing the astral projection, doing and
Speaker 2: I believe the term the Kasarev mirrors, using those to
Speaker 2: enhance capabilities of test subjects so they could maximize their
Speaker 2: capabilities of intelligence collection and supremacy on the battlefield. Now
Speaker 2: turn the page. If you're absolute sworn enemy just bought
Speaker 2: a forty four magnum, you're going to go out and
Speaker 2: at minimum you're going to buy a forty four magnum
Speaker 2: because you want to maintain parity. But if you're smart,
Speaker 2: you're now going to buy a thirty out six rifle
Speaker 2: because that's even more powerful than their forty four magnum.
Speaker 2: So how do you think the US government reacted when
Speaker 2: our intelligence services started, you know, saying they're looking into
Speaker 2: this research and then doggone it. In nineteen seventy, right
Speaker 2: in the middle of the Cold War, a book comes
Speaker 2: out and it's like basically puts it in the public's face, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're behind on this. What are you going to do
Speaker 2: about do about a DARPA, What are you going to
Speaker 2: do about defense Intelligence Agency. What do you think CIA?
Speaker 2: Are you asleep at the switch? So how would a
Speaker 2: government react to that? And what they would do is
Speaker 2: they would come up with a program of their own
Speaker 2: and they would start to try to identify Remember I've
Speaker 2: always talked about indicators, things that indicate future events or actions.
Speaker 2: They would look for indicators that show a propensity towards
Speaker 2: US psych capabilities, so we could reach parity and maybe
Speaker 2: possibly supremacy over the comm block psychic program pside programs.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite lines from the Menusteric Goats was
Speaker 1: they were like, so, we need to start a program
Speaker 1: because the Russians the Soviets have started a psychic spy program.
Speaker 1: And then the guys like, well, it turns out that
Speaker 1: they really weren't starting a psychic spy program. And then
Speaker 1: the colonel was like, also, we started a psychic spy
Speaker 1: program because we thought that they were doing a psychic
Speaker 1: spy program, and now we have a psychic spy program.
Speaker 1: They really did, but it was they did for the movie.
Speaker 1: But it makes a lot of sense because Russia after
Speaker 1: World War Two got more Nazi soldiers than the United States. Ate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I reportedly got over six thousand, right, including all their
Speaker 1: family members and everything, so around roughly six thousand people. Now.
Speaker 1: Lim Buchanan says that Russia had a They were very
Speaker 1: sophisticated in their remote viewing capability, and they found other
Speaker 1: uses of not just collecting intelligence data.
Speaker 2: No, they can do offensive remote viewing, absolutely, and the
Speaker 2: Chinese were researching it too.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep. That's exactly what's going on. Makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, and of course we would want
Speaker 1: to do it, and then that just gets into you know,
Speaker 1: something has proven the work. I mean, how long did
Speaker 1: they have that program running? They had it running since
Speaker 1: seventy eight, so and then they shut it down in
Speaker 1: ninety five. What is that like? Sixteen years? Sixteen seventeen
Speaker 1: years that they had a running and then they just
Speaker 1: closed it down, which in my mind as well, they
Speaker 1: shut it down because they already had another program, or
Speaker 1: like the Russians, they found another use for it, and
Speaker 1: then they could carry the people over from that was
Speaker 1: in the Stargate program into a new program that was
Speaker 1: doing something completely different with it because it was a
Speaker 1: lot more nefarious.
Speaker 2: Right, I'll give you an example. The uh uh oh,
Speaker 2: my mind just went like Constellation uh the program that
Speaker 2: was just outed. The uh unacknowledged that program, Immaculate Constellation
Speaker 2: that was just outed. Okay, just because immaculate Constellation was
Speaker 2: what they call on the SAFF world de established that
Speaker 2: information and that capability was stood up under another program
Speaker 2: with a different with a different name and a different compartment.
Speaker 2: So you know, every time I hear somebody say, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know they shut down the remote viewing program. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they might've shut down you know, a grill Flame and
Speaker 2: Stargate and some of the other programs, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: that capability still exists out there under another umbrella program.
Speaker 2: It's just too good of an intelligence asset. It would
Speaker 2: not make sense to you know, throw the baby out
Speaker 2: with the bathlet, or we have intelligence collection programs that
Speaker 2: are less reliable than remote viewing that we're still using.
Speaker 2: So you know, it just makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said the same. We'll never know about those
Speaker 1: programs because it's so deeply classified and they're just running
Speaker 1: under something that will never know about. But we do
Speaker 1: know about the other ones because they were declassified. And
Speaker 1: that is the whole thing of this, Like they had
Speaker 1: to come out and say that they were using this right,
Speaker 1: so therefore people wouldn't continue to like look for because
Speaker 1: if the whole thing got exposed and never said that
Speaker 1: they were doing it and never got declassified in the beginning,
Speaker 1: than that would mean that all of it would have
Speaker 1: to be declassified. They would have to know what they
Speaker 1: were doing up until that point. But they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: They declassified and they were like, oh, yeah, we were
Speaker 1: working with these sidegics to collect the intelligence datasiness nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Big deal, it's over as done. Meanright, they
Speaker 1: got another one that's going on with a different purpose
Speaker 1: for a different reason. That is a lot more nefarious
Speaker 1: than just collecting intelligence data on foreign assets.
Speaker 2: Well, the you know, the thousands and thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of pages I sent you in remote viewing? Do you
Speaker 2: think that do you think that's the sexy stuff?
Speaker 1: No, that's the bare minimum. But it's incredible though. It's
Speaker 1: really incredible just reading through them and looking through them
Speaker 1: and seeing all the drawings and everything that they had done,
Speaker 1: and how detailed they were about everything. Like, there's no
Speaker 1: sensible person that would look through those documents and be like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't work. This is what we need to shut
Speaker 1: down this program? Right, What they're talking about wind speed,
Speaker 1: describing the environment and how hot it is outside, the temperature,
Speaker 1: the altitude, Like, give me a break. There's no way
Speaker 1: that anybody within government, even someone that doesn't believe in
Speaker 1: remote viewing, it doesn't believe in psyche. If you ride
Speaker 1: through all those documents, you're going to come out with
Speaker 1: a different state of mind, like this shit is real. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Every time I have somebody come up to me and say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, remote viewing doesn't work. And I counted it
Speaker 2: with two things. At number one, I know it works
Speaker 2: because I've done it. In number two, do the research.
Speaker 2: And after you really do the research, see if you
Speaker 2: still have the same opinion, which basically the research is
Speaker 2: going back through the CIA, INSTACOM, Intelligence and Security Command,
Speaker 2: and SRI documents, you know, and see if you still
Speaker 2: have that same attitude. If you do, then you know
Speaker 2: I can't help you. You know, you're beyond You're beyond help.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's exactly how I feel about it too.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get then, we got like two or
Speaker 1: three more minutes left of this video. They get into
Speaker 1: more like theories about any like that, but I think
Speaker 1: it's just need to listen to.
Speaker 5: That they believe that these kids were specifically.
Speaker 4: Being taught how to communicate with.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you Jared.
Speaker 3: I have talked about this experience on the podcast before
Speaker 3: and in real life when I was really young and
Speaker 3: I saw three gray aliens outside of our bedroom window
Speaker 3: as on the top bunk, and it like scarred me
Speaker 3: for life, and Mom told me they were Guardian angels
Speaker 3: and I freaked.
Speaker 4: The oh my god, you have shared that on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 4: Wait.
Speaker 5: Literally a lot of the kids also like that's another
Speaker 5: one of how three times not to make this out
Speaker 5: and they say gray aliens?
Speaker 4: But beencer.
Speaker 3: How many times have I said, I think aliens are
Speaker 3: going to contact me.
Speaker 1: We need to get a camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been like, that's gonna happen and we're going
Speaker 3: to film that.
Speaker 4: That's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm so stressed. Your cat have to come.
Speaker 6: I need to leave you, like the dress needs to
Speaker 6: leave us. I don't want to be around for the aliens.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's the thought.
Speaker 5: The thought is that they were treated teaching them how
Speaker 5: to astral project into like conference rooms with aliens.
Speaker 6: Or the aliens going to be nice.
Speaker 4: Ask him. It seems like you knows well, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Trying to decide if I'm around all obsessed weirdly into aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so weird.
Speaker 5: Well, and I asked another friend of mine because her
Speaker 5: husband was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that I was
Speaker 5: abducted as a child, and I was like, I hit
Speaker 5: her up and I was like, yo, was your husband
Speaker 5: in the program too?
Speaker 4: He wasn't.
Speaker 6: I don't want to know what if that's why you're
Speaker 6: so into this genre of thing conspiracy.
Speaker 2: This is the weirdest day of my life. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: getting ready to absolutely blow your mind.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I am ready. Okay.
Speaker 2: I told you that I was very young and I
Speaker 2: attended medcalf Elementary School in Gainesville, Florida, where they administered
Speaker 2: as far as I remember, vision hearing in IQ intelligence
Speaker 2: quotience tests. Okay, I have a distinct memory when I
Speaker 2: was a child living in our house, which was about
Speaker 2: four blocks from the elementary school. And I'm going to
Speaker 2: show you some figures that I drew in about twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen of this event. Okay, that I remember when I
Speaker 2: was young, maybe four or five years old, I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2: I was a little kid. I had insomnia, and in
Speaker 2: my room I had a window on an outside you know,
Speaker 2: on the exterior wall of the house. On either side
Speaker 2: of that window were bookshelves, and in between the bookshelves
Speaker 2: was a desktop, so you could sit in between the
Speaker 2: bookshelves and play you know, on the desktop look out
Speaker 2: the window. And I remember one night waking up and
Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep. I crawled up on top of the
Speaker 2: desktop and laid my head up against the window. And
Speaker 2: this is a drawing I did of if you can
Speaker 2: see that, basically just kind of laying up against the
Speaker 2: bookshelf with my back on the bookshelf, looking out the
Speaker 2: window along.
Speaker 1: The side of the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I made that drawing, you know, of
Speaker 2: looking and as I'm laying up against the window looking
Speaker 2: down on the side of the house, I see something
Speaker 2: peer around a corner of the house. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you can see that right.
Speaker 1: Here here, let me take me out of.
Speaker 2: A figure peering out around the corner of the house
Speaker 2: that had two eyes, a slit nose, and a slit mouth.
Speaker 2: And to this day I have a hard time sleeping
Speaker 2: if there's an open window where something I think something
Speaker 2: can look in at me.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So they were just talking about you know, seeing grays
Speaker 2: and all after you know, these tests and all that
Speaker 2: drawing was made in twenty thirteen years and years before
Speaker 2: we even broached this subject.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. See, my dad told me he experienced something
Speaker 1: sort of simmilar. I've never told this story before, but
Speaker 1: my dad told me when I was around eight years old.
Speaker 1: He was upstairs with his brothers. He had two other brothers.
Speaker 1: Him and his older older brother stayed in the same room,
Speaker 1: and his oldest brother stayed had his own separate room.
Speaker 1: They were up really there's a there was a porch
Speaker 1: like right outside of his window that had like a
Speaker 1: like it was like a roof to the porch so
Speaker 1: that you could like open the window and like get
Speaker 1: onto the roof of the porch if you wanted to,
Speaker 1: like you wanted to sneak out or whatever you wanted
Speaker 1: to do, you know, whenever you were younger. And he
Speaker 1: said he moved the curtain to the window and there
Speaker 1: was three men standing on the roof of the porch.
Speaker 1: They were in black suits, had strange faces. It was
Speaker 1: almost like their faces were like kind of veiled kind
Speaker 1: of and like had like really strange skin, like very
Speaker 1: pale white skin and the one was like sitting down
Speaker 1: in like a chair in the middle, and then the
Speaker 1: other two were standing side by side with him. Now
Speaker 1: I've told on show a few times. I don't really
Speaker 1: like talking about it because you know, people will be like, oh, whatever, bro,
Speaker 1: you're just just what You're just you know, seeing things
Speaker 1: you were a kid or whatever. But when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, you remember the old school like wood paneling.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like your wood paneling right behind you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: identical to that. Okay, No, I remember it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got it, you got it, got it? Okay, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that wood paneling there, hold on, let me bring you back.
Speaker 1: I want to get me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the old fashioned nineteen seventies nineteen eighties wood paneling.
Speaker 1: Paneling in our house. And every night whenever I was
Speaker 1: growing up, I would see entities come out of the
Speaker 1: wood paneling. They were just morphed out of the wood
Speaker 1: panel like faces, like distorted faces, weird and strange things
Speaker 1: just come out of the wood paneling, Okay, and it
Speaker 1: freaked me out. They didn't ever like touch me or
Speaker 1: like hurt me or anything, but it just scared me.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a really young kid. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on, and I told my parents about it. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I'm seeing these things come out of
Speaker 1: the wood paneling. And they were like, okay, well something
Speaker 1: must be wrong with you. You might have probably have
Speaker 1: something wrong with your vision. Right, so they take me
Speaker 1: to the doctor. Okay, go to the doctor. The doctor
Speaker 1: gives me like a flash card. M It was like,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a card protector. This is
Speaker 1: like a card protector. But it was about the size right, right,
Speaker 1: It's about the size, and it had like bull's eyes
Speaker 1: on it. It had like rings and like it was red.
Speaker 1: The bulls eyes were really red and they were kind
Speaker 1: of like blurred a little bit. And the further that
Speaker 1: it went up, the clearer that the bulls eyes got. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they started out really like blurry, and there was
Speaker 1: three of them. They started out really blurry, and then
Speaker 1: as it got to the last one, the last one
Speaker 1: was really clear. Okay. So he was like, whenever you
Speaker 1: can make these bulls eyes pop up off of the car,
Speaker 1: come back and see me, right, And he told my
Speaker 1: parents that there was nothing wrong with me, that everything
Speaker 1: was good okay, And he was like, once you can
Speaker 1: make these bulls eyes pop up off of the card
Speaker 1: come back and see me, and I didn't never went
Speaker 1: back to see it. But that's where the flash card
Speaker 1: thing is coming in with me. Now, I didn't go
Speaker 1: to public school, so I didn't get any of these
Speaker 1: strange and weird tests. So but the wash card thing
Speaker 1: that has always stuck with in my mind because he
Speaker 1: could have said that I was like insane or that
Speaker 1: I was right whatever, but he somehow knew that I
Speaker 1: was experiencing something and that nothing was wrong with me.
Speaker 2: And then it was yeah, it was a real phenomena, Yeah,
Speaker 2: real experience.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's something I've always wondered, is you know, people that
Speaker 2: you know, a that are in this business or B
Speaker 2: people that are interested in this kind of stuff, is
Speaker 2: do they have similar experiences and similar memories and does
Speaker 2: that predispose us to kind of going this route in
Speaker 2: our lives. Because I know a lot of the people
Speaker 2: I've talked to on my team, you know, in other groups,
Speaker 2: you all have kind of a similar kind of you know,
Speaker 2: memory and life experience of strange things. And then, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go too deep down the whole
Speaker 2: abduction thing, you know, that's fraught with a lot of controversy.
Speaker 2: But you know, one of the questions is that comes
Speaker 2: up when I talk to different people is do all
Speaker 2: of us have a common lived experience with something other?
Speaker 2: And that experience started when we were very young, and
Speaker 2: I would you know, I would go out on a
Speaker 2: limb and say the answer to that is probably yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And I think that some of
Speaker 1: the doctors had to know this, and some of the
Speaker 1: schools had to know this. They had to be involved
Speaker 1: in some kind of way. I mean, all the people
Speaker 1: that you talked to that was a part of the
Speaker 1: Stargate program, which we know, again it wasn't always called
Speaker 1: the Starget program ran under many names, right, pro Plane, Center, Lane,
Speaker 1: all these different programs, but they all kind of explain
Speaker 1: an event and then they're superior kind of comes to
Speaker 1: them and it was like, I think you would be
Speaker 1: good with this program. Like with David Morehouse, it was
Speaker 1: after he had a near death experience.
Speaker 2: Essentially yep, he was struck by a bullet fragment, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly, limb Buchan and he had like some like telekinesis
Speaker 1: ability that wrecked all kinds of thousands of dollars worth
Speaker 1: of computers. Then a superior officer was like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: I think you would be good for this program, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like they know that
Speaker 1: these people aren't crazy or they're not insane, and they
Speaker 1: know where to like but I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: making any sense or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, it is. It's uh yeah, if
Speaker 2: you show a predisposition for a certain like I've known
Speaker 2: people I've talked to that said, you know, they were
Speaker 2: recommended to take go talk to the recruiters for you know,
Speaker 2: First Special Operations Detachment DELTA or Delta Force, you know,
Speaker 2: because they were soldiers that had a certain aptitude. And
Speaker 2: Delta recruits from all military occupational specialties. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not just infantrymen or you know, green berets. It's cooks
Speaker 2: and drivers and you know all.
Speaker 1: Of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think commanders are told to look
Speaker 2: out for people with certain attributes and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: show a proclivity towards certain skill sets.
Speaker 1: So to give a brief overview here as a former
Speaker 1: d D and US Army Military intelligence, because that gives you,
Speaker 1: you know, president over this kind of stuff more credibility
Speaker 1: than others. What do you think about this gate program.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this was real? Do you think
Speaker 1: that this was happening, and do you believe what do
Speaker 1: you believe that they were doing it for?
Speaker 2: What I believe is kind of what you know, what
Speaker 2: I touched on you at the beginning of the broadcast
Speaker 2: is I think that what these people were experiencing was
Speaker 2: probably a government contracted research program through a major research university.
Speaker 2: It could have been a pH d you know, uh
Speaker 2: candidate doing their doing their research project. You know, they
Speaker 2: got a grant from d O D or d IA
Speaker 2: or whomever to test side capabilities and young children under
Speaker 2: the age of eleven. I'm just you know, saying that
Speaker 2: maybe that's what they're you know, their synopsis, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe that's what their research proposal was. And as part
Speaker 2: of that is they reached out through the auspice of
Speaker 2: the university, you know, be at the University of Florida,
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech whatever, to the public school system, said we
Speaker 2: would like to test We're doing a research study under
Speaker 2: the auspice of the university, and we were wondering if
Speaker 2: we could use you know, just take a very short
Speaker 2: period of time test some of your students and maybe
Speaker 2: they would have followed on testing. Now, none of this
Speaker 2: would be done in a vacuum. Parents would be sent
Speaker 2: home a rather innoculous consent form saying you here by
Speaker 2: grinch permission for your child to take part in a
Speaker 2: university sanctioned UH test. Were there researching UH learning capabilities
Speaker 2: or they're researching ability to process new information. It would
Speaker 2: sound real innoculous, and of course any parent would say, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course at the school says it's okay, and you know,
Speaker 2: and the kids would say, yay, I get out of
Speaker 2: class for you know, two hours on Thursday. And then
Speaker 2: so then they gather all this information up and they
Speaker 2: generate a report and they send it up to you
Speaker 2: know whatever black hole in the you know, black vault
Speaker 2: up in the sky, and it's compiled with research projects
Speaker 2: from other universities all over the country, and then they
Speaker 2: start developing their theories and hypotheses and all of that
Speaker 2: and move on forward. Do I think it was recruiting
Speaker 2: for the Secret Space Program?
Speaker 1: I do not do.
Speaker 2: I think people were recruited at the age of three
Speaker 2: for the Secret Space Program and they served a lifetime
Speaker 2: on Zeta Reticulai working for the Supreme Galactic Command and
Speaker 2: then they have their memories of race, like in the
Speaker 2: movie Men in Black.
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: I think it probably was an honest research study to
Speaker 2: test the proclivity and possible indicators of children with side capabilities,
Speaker 2: to see if there are things like, you know, what
Speaker 2: are their demographics. Does the capability show up only in
Speaker 2: certain brackets of IQ? You know, does it ended like
Speaker 2: one point and begin at you know, one twelve? You know,
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing that out there. Is it tied to
Speaker 2: certain races of people, people with certain backgrounds? What about
Speaker 2: their parents' education? Maybe it has to do with certain
Speaker 2: kinds of foods children eat, you know, you know, do
Speaker 2: they come from a place where they drink a lot
Speaker 2: of fluoride? You know, then you can go in the
Speaker 2: whole Penino gleam and all.
Speaker 1: Of that stuff.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think that they you know, they
Speaker 2: were doing an honest study, you know, and students were
Speaker 2: the perfect test subject, kind of like we saw with
Speaker 2: the collection of baby teeth during the Cold War.
Speaker 1: Incredible, Thanks so much for coming on, Trey. Really appreciate
Speaker 1: your time this evening. And my mind's blown. My mind's blown.
Speaker 2: They'll put a band aid on it and drink a
Speaker 2: glass of water. You'll wake up tomorrow feeling much better.
Speaker 1: I'm going to need a lot of milk and cooking. Yeah. Nice,
Speaker 1: rest breaking and let people know where to find you.
Speaker 1: Is your book out?
Speaker 2: It will be on Tuesday, the twenty seventh, twenty seventh
Speaker 2: of May. Yes, that's our return to the Meadow and
Speaker 2: we actually go into hypnotic progression with some of the
Speaker 2: people that have had stranger experiences. We now have a
Speaker 2: psychoanalyst on our staff, so we review some of the
Speaker 2: strange things that happened to us in the past, like
Speaker 2: updates on the mysterious Monkey Bear Lady or Businesswoman of
Speaker 2: the Forest Hypnotic Regression, and it talks about our experiences
Speaker 2: that we've had at the Meadow since the last book
Speaker 2: was published. That will come out on Tuesday. Trey Hudson
Speaker 2: Research dot com, Trey Hudson Dash author on Facebook, and
Speaker 2: Trey Hudson Research at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Awsome, I will get that. Do you have a pre order?
Speaker 1: Do you have like a pre order link?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go to Amazon and just click on
Speaker 2: the I think the ebook is up for the Kendle
Speaker 2: version is up for pre order, and so regular I'm
Speaker 2: hoping hard copies go live on Tuesday, and I will
Speaker 2: be at Centennial Colorado in June speaking for Colorado Move on,
Speaker 2: and then I will be at the Snippy the Horse event,
Speaker 2: which is Snippy was one of the first recorded anal
Speaker 2: relations in Alamosa, Colorado in August.
Speaker 1: Is Katie going to be there for that one? Katie
Speaker 1: will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Usually I hang out with Katie and we drive up
Speaker 2: to the event together.
Speaker 1: Cool. I'm gonna get you, guys both on the same show.
Speaker 1: You and Katy page here next month, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The cool thing is that she has been to the
Speaker 2: Meadow and I've been to the Clearview Range.
Speaker 1: I want to go to the Clearview Ranch.
Speaker 2: Bro, It's got to got a weird energy. It's a
Speaker 2: strange place.
Speaker 1: Take me, Bro, I want to go to That would
Speaker 1: be awesome. But yeah. Links to Trey's stuff will be
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