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smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for

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your support. Have you ever heard of Abigail Schreier. She

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is the author of many books. She has been one

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of the leaders in the pushback to the transgender insanity

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stuff that started, you know, probably about a decade ago.

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And I'll pull up the original book that she wrote

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and I covered it at the time. I forget the

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name of it. But she's got another book out now.

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It's called Bad Therapy, published last year, Actually Bad Therapy.

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She also runs a sub stack publication and it's called

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The Truth Fairy, and she publishes some of her work

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over at the Free Press. And she had a piece

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the other day headlined stop asking kids if they're depressed.

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This has to do with these screening questionnaires, and she

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had like she took her kid into the doctor's office

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for what was she saying? To middle school age son

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returned home from sleep away camp with a persistent stomach ache,

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so she took him to urgent care and they have

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the kid go to a different room where they asked

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the kid a series of questions. She did not she

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was not allowed in the room to hear the questions,

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but that got her thinking, like, well, what's going on here?

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And she went and found what those questions are. And

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if you've been to the doctor's office recently, you have

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probably been subjected to some form of this questionnaire five

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questions In the past few weeks, have you wished you

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were dead? In the past few weeks, have you felt

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that you or your family would be better off if

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you were dead In the past week, have you been

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having thoughts about killing yourself? Have you ever tried to

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kill yourself? If yes, how and when are you thinking

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of killing yourself right now? If yes, please describe. So

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those are the five screening questions.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker, who as Ben Shapiro always notes,

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had to be lowered into the event space with a crank,

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he signed into law mandatory annual mental health screenings for

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all public school children from third grade through twelfth grade.

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Mandatory once a year screenings of the like the questionnaire

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I just gave you, he said. Illinois is now the

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first state in the nation to require mental health screenings

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in its public schools. Our schools should be inclusive places

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where students are not just comfortable asking for help, they

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are empowered to do it, so, she points out here,

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You know, empowered to ask for help is quite something

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different than being forced to answer a questionnaire. Right, if

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basic literacy hadn't already collapsed in Illinois, kids might pose

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spirited objections to JB. Pritzker's sales pitch. That's they don't

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know how to read so anyway. In fact, far too

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many American children in adolescents without debilitating mental disorders have

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already been funneled into the slippery mental health pipeline. Her

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book Bad Therapy investigated the surge in adolescent mental health

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diagnoses and psychiatric prescription drug use, and she says here

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many young people without serious mental illness nonetheless spend years

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languishing with a diagnosis, alternately cursing it and embracing it,

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believing they have a broken brain, convincing themselves that their

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struggles are insurmountable. Because of the disorder's constraints, they meet

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regularly with a therapist or a school counselor, on whom

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they become increasingly reliant. They lose a sense of efficacy,

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unable to navigate on their own even minor setbacks and

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interpersonal conflicts, They begin courses of antidepressants that carry all

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kinds of side effects like suppressed libido, fatigue, the muffling

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of all emotion, and even an increase in depression. Anti

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anxiety drugs and the stimulants given to kids diagnosed with

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ADHD are both addictive as well as ubiquitously abused. So

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here's the problem. Kids are, well, let's call it highly suggestible, right.

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Impressionable is another word for it. They're impressionable, malleable, stupid, No,

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I'm kidding. I'm just kidding that the last one. But

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you are. That's why, Like you can put your hands

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up over your face and the baby believes that you've disappeared.

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Oh my gosh, where are they? That's why you can.

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That's why you can play tricks on you know, your

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five year old or six year old and they don't

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understand where did the quarter go? How did it fall

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out of my ear?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My goodness? Right? So what happens then when you start

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putting these suggestions in front of kids, asking them every year,

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are you depressed? Now? Were you depressed within the last week?

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Have you ever wanted to kill yourself? You've ever been sad?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: You start putting these ideas into their heads every year,

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and at some point they may say, maybe I am,

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maybe that's my problem. When it's not just like puberty,

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you know, and she said, this is especially the case

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when psychiatric symptoms are concerned. If you ask a kid

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repeatedly if he might be depressed about now? About now?

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How about now? Are you sure about now? Are you sure? Well,

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you just might decide that he is. If you introduce, oh,

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let's just say, at random gender dysphoria, you introduce that

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into a peer grip, and all of a sudden, a

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swath of seven grade girls are likely to decide they

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were born in the wrong body. And by the way,

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she wrote about this in that first book, rapid onset

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gender dysphoria, where you've got like a friend group, a

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clique of like these, you know, teenage girls, maybe like

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half a dozen of them and all of a sudden

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within a month or two, four out of the six

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or all trans Do you know what the likelihood of

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that is. I mean, just from a statistical probability standpoint,

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it is impossible. That is a social contagion, and young

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girls are particularly prone to engaging in a social contagion,

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going all the way back to the Salem witch trials

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here right, I remember we talked with Bill O'Reilly about

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this very thing, social contagion. How it spreads because it

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gives them, gives them power, right, it gives them some

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sense of identity and belonging. And by the way, we're

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gonna have Bill O'Reilly back on the program. He's got

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another book. The guy never stops writing books. We're gonna

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have him back on the show, like on the fifteenth.

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I believe. She says a swath of seven grade girls

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are likely to decide they're born in the wrong body.

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If you introduce testing anxiety that's another one, or social

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phobia or suicidality, and many teams teens are likely to decide. Well,

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I got that too. There's a reason that clinicians keep

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anorexia patients from socializing unsupervised in a hospital ward why

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anorexia is a profoundly socially contagious So this is not new.

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I've been equating gender dysphoria to anorexia and the way

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that we treat one versus the other. We don't say

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lebrate anorexia because we know it's socially contagious. We know

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that when one girl does it, other girls then start

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doing it too. So no, we don't celebrate, We don't

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affirm that kind of delusion. You are not obese. In fact,

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you are about to starve yourself to death. That's the

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reality of the situation. You're going to starve yourself to death.

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You are not obese. So when I was a kid,

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my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my

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mom and my dad took care of him as he

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got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and

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not much support for caregivers and family. But things are

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different today because of the work of so many people,

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including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great

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organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a

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supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot

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to me. I participate in the annual Walk to end

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Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team again this year

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and it's called once again Pete's Pack. You can sign

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up and you can join the team and walk with us.

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It's on October eighteenth, that truest field. Sign up at

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alz dot org slash Walk and then you can search

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for my team name Pete's Peck. There's also a link

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at thepetepod dot com. There's also a link in the

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description of this podcast. Also, I'll be am seeing the

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Gastonia Walk on October eleventh then, so you can make

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a team and join that one too, or make a

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donation and help me hit my goal of five thousand dollars.

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If you do, I really appreciate it. There are a

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bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas. You can

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go to alz dot org slash walk for all the

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dates and locations. We're closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's.

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Can you help us get there? Will you walk with me?

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For a different future, for families, for more time for treatments.

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This is why we walk. Doctor Allen, Doctor Alan Francis

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is a Duke University professor of psychiatry and the author

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of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. This

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is the DSM for the DISH, widely known as the

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psychiatric Bible. And what doctor Francis told Abigail Schreier about

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these screenings, these mandatory school screenings for kids that's now

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the rule in Illinois, says, it's one of these things

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that's great in theory but terrible in practice. Most kids

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who screen positive will have transient problems. In other words,

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they're just feeling depressed today, they're feeling sad today, maybe

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a couple days. This is not due to a mental disorder.

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And when then you mislabel the kid, you create a

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stigmatization and it subjects them to unnecessary treatments. And then

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on the other side, you are misdirecting scarce resources away

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from the kidkids who actually need those resources. A certain

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amount of anxiety and low mood is not only a

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normal part of life. They are almost a signal feature

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of adolescence. Except in my case, I was a perfect teenager,

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as my parents will probably no problems at all with me,

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none handling a mental diagnosis or sorry. Handing a mental

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diagnosis to a child or teen can change the way

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they see themselves. It could create limitations for what he

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believes he can achieve. It can encourage treatment, dependency on

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a therapist, and empty out his sense of agency that

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he has control of his own life. Right, there is

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solid evidence on the harms produced by receiving a mental diagnosis,

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harms that are pure tragedy in the case of mis diagnosis.

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In fact, she says, there's no proof that mental health

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screeners have ever been shown to improve mental health outcomes.

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So why are we doing this? Probably the money right,

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get kids into the pipeline. What mental health surveys reliably

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do produce is false positives. If you do the statistical calculation,

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you discover that the false positive rate is about ninety

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seven percent according to Stephen J. Morse, Professor of Law

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and psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania. Ninety seven percent

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false positive rate. Schreyer concludes this piece it's very lengthy,

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by the way, if you want to read it, it

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is at the Free Press. It's also at her sub stack,

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which is called the Truth Fairy. She says, the NonStop

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diagnosis and treatment of American care, it hasn't made a

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dent in the prevalence of mental illness. In fact, the

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two have risen in parallel, so more diagnosis and treatment,

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more prevalence of mental illness. They both are going up.

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You can't give kids an unhealthy life and expect mental

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health resources to fix it. That much should now be obvious.

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The vast majority of our kids and teenagers are not

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mentally ill, but they are lonely, worried, scared, bummed out.

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Schools ought to supply them with reliable bolsters to the

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human spirit, like high expectations, greater independence and responsibility. Far

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less screen time, far far less screen time. Screen time,

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not scream time. That's just comes with the territory being

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a teenager. More recess exercise, art, music, involvement in goal

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oriented activities that lure them out of their own minds

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and force them to think about something anything other than themselves,

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which is a long way of saying what guard against narcissism?

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at The Free Press about stop asking kids if they

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are depressed. The NonStop diagnosis and treatment of American kids

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has not made a dent in the prevalence of mental illness.

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Here's a tweet from Melissa to Pete at or sorry

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at Pete callaner. That's the Twitter handle. It's a Pete tweet.

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Melissa says, I view the persistent questioning of children whether

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they're depressed or not end or suicidal to be forcing

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Stockholm syndrome on the kids. Soon they begin to think

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maybe I should be depressed or suicidal. Perhaps if the

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children could read and write, their understanding of their environment

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would improve. Let's start with the basics. That is a

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bridge to far Melissa. We shall not teach our children

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to read, write, or do the math that will make

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them not depressed now but later in life. Tim, welcome

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to the program.

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Speaker 2: Hello Tim Pete for taking my call. Advise your listeners

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that it's not only the persistent questioning of children.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Over a month ago, I had major surgery. Prior to that,

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I had to undergo physical exam clearing me for the surgery,

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and I was inundated during that with questions about my

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mental status and everything in One of them kind of

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made me sit up and I said, what kind of

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a questions that? And the guy said, well, you know,

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we understand that good searchical outcomes happened most often in

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people who have good emotional status. And after I got passed,

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I had a series of questionnaires and the questionnaires were

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basically one of the questions was has your emotional condition

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gotten better or worse in the last year. So it

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all seemed to me reading these things they were trying

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to somehow check a box where they could warrant sending

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me for some kind of psychological mental screening or something

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like that to give their psychiatric department a little more money.

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But it's not just with questions for children, because they

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may take your son or daughter into a room, but

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when those questions come to you, you ought to be

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able to recognize what they're doing. And I just wanted

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to put that out because I haven't had And afterwards,

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after the surgery, I had to go to an urgent

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care and the same thing happened the same here.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely standard. I've been asked it every time I

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go for my physical and they always say the same thing. Well,

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we have to ask these questions their standard and then

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they usually ask if there's a gun in the house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But I just wanted to put that out.

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It's not just with yeah ah.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is it's the problem is when you

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start asking kids these questions, gins they because they are

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impressionable in a way that adults are not generally, you

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then end up with kids essentially you know you're you're

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leading them to the diagnosis, and then that becomes a

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lifetime diagnosis. I think that was the point.

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Speaker 3: I understand. I understand that Tim.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call man. Have a great weekend, yes, sir,

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take care Christy. Actually, my wife came across this story

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about a week ago and I looked into it and

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it's related to all of this. Have you ever heard

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of the Rosenhan experiment? You ever heard of this? It's

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from nineteen seventy three, so between nine This is from

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a website called simply psychology dot org. Okay, between nineteen

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sixty nine and nineteen seventy two, there was a professor,

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a psychiatrist at Stanford University. His name is David Rosenhan,

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and he wanted to see if people could get admitted

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into a psychiatric hospital and get diagnosed incorrectly. Okay, And

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there was a reason for this. So he sent eight

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what we call or what he called pseudo patients. Okay,

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so they're not really patients, eight people who are seen,

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sent them into twelve different psychiatric hospitals without revealing that

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to the staff of the hospital. None of the pseudo

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patients had any symptoms or any history of mental disorders,

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and in all twelve hospitals, the pseudo patients were diagnosed

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with a mental disorder and hospitalized every time. In no

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instance was the misdiagnosis discovered during the hospitalization. Now, in

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some of the stays, the patient observed significant deficits in

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patient staff contact. That's an important element here that I

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don't know if they were expecting. But then so hospitals

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got mad when they found out and he published these

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results and they got mad, like well, they presented they

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said they were hearing voices, and so of course we

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take them in. Of course we're going to treat them.

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And what should we turn them away? Why don't you

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try it again? And so he did. They did a

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follow up study. They said, we're going to send in

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more pseudo patients, and you guys need to rank all

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of the patients that come in on a scale of

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one to ten, right, one or two being least likely

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to be the pseudo patient, ten being the most likely

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to be the pseudo patient. If you if you thought

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somebody came in that was the patient, then you'd give

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them a ten or whatever, and let's see the results

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on for that part. Staff was aware of the previous study.

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Forty one of the one hundred and ninety three patients

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got a one or two score, just forty one, so

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twenty one percent got a one or two. So they

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were it's like three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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Like they were giving scores out to like everybody that

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came in the door. Do you know how many people

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were actually sent in as pseudo patients? Zero? He didn't

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send a single one in. But now the hospital's like, oh,

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these are plants, these are undercover patients. These are the

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pseudo patients. So they're like, oh, yeah, that guy is crazy.

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Oh it is, he's not really crazy. We're going to

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give him this high score. We think this is the fake.

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Not a single one was. The findings provided evidence that

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the accuracy and validity of the psychiatric diagnoses or in question.

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even better returns. So it seemed that once people got

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diagnosed with an aberrant psychiatric trait in this Rosenhan study

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or experiment, which let's be clear, like there's some ethical

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questions about how this one was conducted, right, sending people

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in pretending to be suffering from you know, hearing voices

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or whatever, and then once they're in there, they're like

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not all cleared up. But here's the thing. Once they

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got in they had this diagnosis, they were unable to

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escape the diagnosis despite having dropped the farce immediately upon

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their admission. But once they got the label, that's how

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the doctors and staff saw them, and anything that they

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did then became a symptom of the disorder. The admission

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diagnosis seemed, according to Rosenhan quote, so powerful that many

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of the participants' normal behaviors were overlooked entirely or profoundly misinterpreted. Right.

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Things that were considered aberrant behavior like pacing around or

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writing frequently, right, that would have just been boredom had

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they been had they not been diagnosed right. Participants also

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were not paid any attention by psychiatrists, nurses, or attendants.

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At four of the hospitals. Those that were paid some attention,

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the average was about six point eight minutes a day.

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So stamps overwhelming avoidance of the patients resulted in an

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overwhelming sense of powerlessness which invades the individual as he

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is continually exposed to the depersonalization of the psychiatric hospital. Right.

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And so this then makes you wonder, like behave are

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the patients in these facilities behaving in a way that

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is induced by the setting itself because they're being starved

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of personal interaction, because they would try to go up

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and talk to the staff or the doctors whatever, just

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they were directed the by Rosenhuant to try to interact

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with the staff and just talk to them like you

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would talk to anybody at your place of work, anybody

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in your daily life. And they could not get people

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to engage with them like that. All right, let me

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go to some of the messages here on the email.

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This is from Tim who says, routine mental health questions.

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I recently went to have my teeth cleaned, and even

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they asked those questions. When did this start? And who

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is behind these questions? I guess it's like the AMA

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or somebody. Yeah, but I remember this started several years ago.

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Now I want to say, maybe under Obamacare. I'm going

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to go to the text line. Another huge bentness from Chris.

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Another huge benefit of shepherding additional folks into the mental

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illness pipeline is their potential adult loss of firearms rights,

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which is an important pillar in the overall goal of

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limiting and eliminating private firearm ownership. It is nearly impossible

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to criticize because everybody agrees that actually mentally ill folks

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should not be armed in society. Bain draws the parallel

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here to that old in school DARE drug awareness program.

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Studies showed poor results and in some cases actually increased

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drug use. Researcher said the possibility that the program actually

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peaked curiosity. John says mental health questions are are now

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out of hand, even for adults. If I had a

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razor in hand and was ready to end it all,

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I'd still answer I'm happy and never felt better. Another

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person saying, if they label you, then they can take

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your guns. Bill and Florida says, my podcast is still

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not updating. When I go to WBT dot com, I

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cannot see hours two and three from yesterday. So I

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would recommend you get your podcasts from the peatpod dot

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com and subscribe there. You can go to that website.

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The podcasts are loaded up all the time right there

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the peatpod dot com. You can pick any podcasting platform.

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The RSS code is the same. You can listen to

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it right there on the screen on the website itself,

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but the peatpod dot com, and then you can pick

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for some reason has to do with their back end

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updating processes and stuff. So try that or try to

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update the app's I always whenever I run into a

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problem with an app on my phone, the first thing

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I do is I go to the apps details, the

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you tap that, bad boy, scroll to the bottom app details,

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click on that, and then it's like update now and

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boom hit update. So sometimes it's just an update issue. Hope,

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I hope I walked it through that well enough. Thank

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you for bringing up this topic. At every single wellness

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check for my kids, there goes through or tries to

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go through the mental health check. I have to immediately

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stop them the second I hear do you sometimes find

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yourself sad. Not only is it ridiculous, but it's also

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a money grab for doctors. Our insurance does not cover these,

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so we were winding up with charges for an otherwise

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covered wellness check before we started opting out. That's interesting. Yeah, well,

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I mean that is probably part of it too. All right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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