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Speaker 1: All right. This is Jess Zaker from Brownstowle, Michigan, and

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I play at Westbourn Golf Course. This is golf Smarter

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number nine ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: All the beginning golfers have no idea where the actual

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swing bottom is. And once you tell them then a

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light switches on. Then as a teacher, I might look

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at you and say, during your backswing development, here's your

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root issue for expanding back to a ball. Is it

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a risky situation? Is it a lateral thing? Are your

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arms pinned too low? Or did the events start to unravel?

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And as coach as we say, hey, listen, we'll paint

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the picture of where a club has to swing and

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we use a three D analysis thing and you can

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see as plain as day. I can put your swing

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up to a very functional pro and I can put

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your golf ball right on top of their golf ball,

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so I can show you your swing shape and circle

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to their swing shape and circle, and I can show

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you where their swing bottom is and where your swing

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bottom is. And it's really not that hard to experiment

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with a couple of feels to have the successful swing bottom.

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Speaker 1: Understanding the bottom of your swing is the key to

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Better Shots with mister tour striker Martin Chuck. This is

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Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf

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minds to help you lower your score and raise your

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golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to

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the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 2: Martin Fred. It's been too long, my friend, great to

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be back.

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Speaker 1: Last time you were on was twenty eighteen, although we

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did meet up at the PGA Merchandise Show in twenty

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twenty three. But the class full episode with you was

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was episode six hundred and sixty three. And you were

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on a bunch of times between twenty twelve and twenty eighteen,

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and then I just every time I tried to contact

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you and bounce back, I didn't know what was better.

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Speaker 2: No, no man net while you have my phone now,

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so now no excuses, because that's no excuse me. I

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love being on talking to use a blast.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, thank you. Well. You're a big part

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of how this show became a blast. Your insights and

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your advice and your inventions and your conversation has always

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been helpful to not just me, but to a lot

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of golfers.

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Speaker 2: I promise, Oh man, bless the silly game of golf.

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It's just been a lifetime of fun and laughs and

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I mean some tears Sunday. I think for those of

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you I don't know when you're going to play this,

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But that Masters, how about that? That was crazy Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was probably some of the best

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golf sports television I've ever watched on Sunday. Now, I

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was there Wednesday and Thursday. We can go on for

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an hour about that. But why. I was so glad

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that I came home in time to watch it on Sunday,

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and I watched it on the plane and the flight

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back from Atlanta all the way back on Saturday, so I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't man, I'll tell you what. How about this though?

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It was a tigerless Masters and it was riveting, Yes,

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from the first t shot so that I want to say,

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last putt and then the playoff ball, Like, are you

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kidding me? Or what? I think?

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Speaker 1: I aged?

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Speaker 2: I aged five years watching that Arn event? But I

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had a blast watching them. Super proud Rory. I got

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to meet him and he was lovely. Oh yeah, I

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definitely want to riff on that story. So twenty eighteen,

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me Andrew, Rice and I got to go do a

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golf school at royal Port Rush in Northern Ireland and

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it was a blast. It was for the Golf Channel,

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so they sent Andrew and I. There was about twelve

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students and it was this is story is crazy, okay,

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so I'm to lay this on you. So we get

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sent to Northern Ireland. So Andrew was like, hey, let's

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make a couple of days of it. So we played

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golf with these two awesome golf pros in Ireland. Play

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we lose, like on the last hole of three day match,

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Andrew and I. They're good and Andrew and I can

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get our ball around just fine. So it was a fun,

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fun three days of golf. And then we go to

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royal Port Rush and it's a wind torn rock like

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you can see Santa Claus if you go stand on

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the beach and look to the north. I mean it's

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like it's lovely though. I mean, I had I can't

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wait to go back. Lots of stories involved. So we

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get there and there's and they're getting ready for the

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like the British opens the next summer, you know what

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open stuff there like signage and things and all of

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a sudden, I hear it, like, what is I look up.

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tea deck, and it's it's a blustery, cool day. Not

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a lot of that port Rush members are playing golf.

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men's lounge. And so there's Rory. I'm like, oh, this

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is super cool. What's going on? While it was an

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enter to win thing for that golf channel you can

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enter to win, Taylor made enter to win a chance

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player golf with Rory McElroy I thought those were make believe.

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whatever it is exactly. So anyway, there's Rory and there's

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these four people that win. Okay, crazy, So it's worldwide people. Okay.

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and I can hear speaking English, like you know the

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way we speak it. And I say to the gual,

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I go, where are you from? She goes Arizona. I said, no, way,

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I live in Arizona. I go, I live and I

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live in Phoenix. She goes, well, I live in Tandler

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and I go, why, I actually live in Chandler. So

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now we're from the same little town in Arizona. She

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says to me, do you know downtown Steakhouse in downtown Chandler.

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I go, yeah, I just took my wife there like

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two weeks ago. She goes, that's my business, and that's

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my husband points over to a dude that's like doing

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something getting a drink. Anyway, she won this contest, and

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so happens she lives like a mile from me. She

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played golf with Rory that day. He couldn't have been

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a better dude, Like he was like genuinely into meeting

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everybody there, you know, super kind to me. It teased

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him about the smart ball. He's like, oh, I struggle

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with that at the top, and blah blah blah, like

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everybody does. Don't worry about it. And then and then

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they go to play golf. So and then we got

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to coach these camp these students that are there. So

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Andrew Rice has enough sense to say to me, hey,

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let's go watch him play the last couple of holes.

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four that if you bomb a driver, like at about

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three I'm going to say three hundred yards, there's a

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slope down. It's probably four twenty or thirty in recollection. Anyway,

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Rory bombs driver, goes into the green side bunker. Okay,

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so that's not how I played the hole. I hit

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it to the top of the hill, had hit nine

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iron on the green Rory hits it, flies it way

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down there, bounces down the hill, goes in the green

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side trap. He's the most underrated bunker player of all time.

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there's a twelve campers, there's Rory in the in the

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walkers with the caddies, and then there's about a media

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crew about five or six people. So it's a little

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bit of a mob, but that's it. Nobody else out there.

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from Ireland are like, you know, I'll take today off,

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go see a movie. So in eighteen tea now it's

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into the teeth. It's a lovely part for it's long

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a bomb on seventeen high high bomb draw on eighteen

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he hits a flighted roasted low missile that fades a

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little bit perfect, And we're standing there on the tee

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taking videos and you know, I feel like me to you,

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like close obviously, and then we walked that, we walked

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the Pharaoh, and he's kind of chumming it up with that.

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about their family and the whole nine yards. I mean,

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it was awesome. So then Andrew Riis and I are

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back there and he's got his like he's kind of

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as he's actually a hell of a photograph. He's got

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his proper camera, and I've got my iPhone and I'm

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taking like SlowMo video of Rory hitness punchy draw one

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hundred and seventy five yard five iron that like starts

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out to the right of the green, curls back into

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the middle of the green perfectly, and he's got like

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a twenty five footer for Birdie on this miserable into

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the Wind part four, which you know I was. You know,

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he obviously didn't have a good British open I want

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to say as the cut, like shut eighty eighty seventy

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two or something as the cup. But it was a

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great experience. And then it meets some lady that lived

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literally a mile from me. That's nuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on the other side of the planet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So if you haven't been, have you ever been

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to like Northern Ireland, to those courses like Port Stewart,

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Port Rush.

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Speaker 1: I have never been to the UK. I'm still that's

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still a bucket list item for me.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't have been. There's a there's a bar there

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called the Harbor Bar, and it's in Port Rush, Okay,

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so he wasn't there when we were there. He's a

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friend of mine. So he go to the bar. There's

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more damn fun in this little silly bar. So when

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and I'm like, hey, I was at that bar, blah

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blah blah, and he's like, what do you think? What

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do you think? I'm like, it was best damn place ever.

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that is teeny weeny by the way, and they got

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this epic place where you can have a pint and

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then there's golf pictures everywhere. Naturally, Darren Clark's a big

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part of that because he's from there. And then Roy

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McElroy shot sixty one on that golf course when he

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was like sixteen. I think I think he still has

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the course record. Maybe wrong, but I can't sixty one.

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not eighteen homes. No, it's a proper golf course. Like

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it is a proper like yeah, Royal Port Rush. There's

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two courses there. I didn't play the other one, but

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the main courses like significant. I'll leave it there, but

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a hell of a time go to Ireland. Yes, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Real high on LS. I was trying to beg my

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son to go. Come on, man, I'm turning seventy. Can

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we can we just take a trip together and you

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and a couple of your cousins that your age and

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we're all golfers. And they're like, yeah, no, Dad, I'm busy.

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Speaker 2: But he got his Grand Slam. I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: And I got to say the thing about it that

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really was amazing for he was really vulnerable after winning that,

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and just you know, because golfers can have a stuffy

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image or a protected image with the press, right, and

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he was just just so authentic. It made it that

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much more easier, that much more, that much easier to

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route for him.

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Speaker 2: You know, I tell my students all the time, so

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my campers every week, I'm so lucky, Like I teach

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these awesome people. And I joke my campers are between

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like forty and ninety okay, And so I say to them,

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I am incapable of being embarrassed. Incapable. It's impossible to

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embarrass me. You know why golf, Because I I played

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in southern Ontario. Where's he one of the Canadian masters there, Mike.

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We're old good buddy, am I? And so I'm playing

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a guy named Roger Wessel's and so you know I'm

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a local kid, and so people are interested in me,

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and I put my it's a it's like a layup

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part four. I'm gonna say three wood wedge three wood

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nine are anyway, there's as big a crowd as are

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maybe could be around that tea box, I think, because

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it's like, I'm teen up with this guy. Where's he's

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behind me with like brant job Okay, So it's like

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I'm like, why am I in this little package of

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I'm nervous. I step up and I'm like ready to go,

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like I'm feeling good about my game. And I topped it.

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I topped a three would heal well, not like right

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in front of me, but I like I healed it.

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It got past the ladies, tea got hung up in

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the wet rough and I might have hit it sixty

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five yards okay, and I was up first, you know,

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from Toronto, Ontario. Put your heads together for Martin Chuck. Ay,

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go through my little tiny practice swing walk in a routine.

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A couple of waggles. Take a look off the heel,

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like through the boned it along the ground. There's dew

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fly in. I'm like, and then my heart's like, it's

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in my throat. Man Roger Wessel's, this really good player

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from South Africa, sizzles of a three wood down there

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and he's thinking, oh my gosh, so I and then

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I go down and found my ball. It's fine. I

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whack it down there by his and we both have like,

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I don't know I hit it in there. Anyway, I

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made par I schwacked threewood, topped it, hacked it down

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by his ball. Hit a good iron shot, you know.

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I didn't want to say I was fifteen feet or so.

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He hit it about where I was. I can't remember

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who went first. I'm he made part. I made par

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That was it. That was the end of the story.

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And I want to say shot seventy one or seventy

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or something like that. Anyway, I played okay, I made

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the cotton. But yeah, I'm incapable of being embarrassed, seriously incapable,

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like I could go sing karaoke on a cruise ship. Yes,

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give me, give me the mic. Yes, no, there's zero,

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you know. Yeah, golf golf did that to me. So

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when Rory was bawling, my wife's like, oh, I can't

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believe he's crying like that. I'm like, honey, you have

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no I yeah, none, zero. What he's even as blessed

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as he is, and as you know, his bank account

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or whatever, and his lovely parents and his wife and

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his child, you have no idea what he thinks about

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every single day that consumes his mind, you know. And

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we saw it on Sunday. We saw him miss a

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couple of pots, We saw him hit a couple of

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bad that one wedgshot on thirteen about fall off the couch.

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And yet I'll tell you what the most underrated shot

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that of all the other tournament, in my opinion, underrated

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shot of the tournament was the pitch he hit on

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number three. So I don't know if you remember this,

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if you saw that he smoked a driver way down there,

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short of the hill up the green. Okay, the pins

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in the front left, so they showed the camera angle.

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It's like hitting it up to the top of Mount

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Vesuvius with a pin sticking up there. Now, if you

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hit that one little teeny we ney bit soft, guess

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what you get to do? You get to hit it

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again from the same spot. And what did Rory do?

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Rory hit this little spinner up there. Check check eight footer. Oh,

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those should be used to use it pro just to

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hit it up very free, drove well. Then bryceon de Shamba,

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of course, hits lays up, hits a twenty feet three

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pots and then Rory happens to jiggle it in and

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it goes in for Birdie. Then he hits the best

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four iron humanly possible, like right behind Ludwig Oberg's, unbelievably,

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like the Greek god Zeus couldn't have hit a better

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four iron then Ludwig Oberg or Rory McElroy. The Greek

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god Zeus would have hit a towering fore iron that

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would have plugged in the bunker. But not not Rory

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and not lud Big. They were the best stern fore

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irons I've ever seen. Lud Big, missus Rory made it

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crazy crazy.

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Speaker 1: So what was crazy is on Thursday, when I was

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there at the Masters, I was standing in that spot

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and mckin nick what was his name, Patrick mc.

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Speaker 2: McNeely, okay, Maverick, Patrick Ken.

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Speaker 1: Yeah McNeely. He hit one and and I talked about

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this in the Little Bonus episode I did. And all

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of a sudden, the spotter's going your feet, your feet,

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your feet right, and he's pointing down and a ball

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rolls up hits the guy sitting next to me, hit

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him in the foot and then bounce backwards. So I

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backed up and I'm like, O great, Now I get

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to watch and I got to see him make this

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shot that you're talking about up over where. It's a

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blind shot you can see the top of the flag only,

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and nobody where I was knew what happened until we

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reacted to the crowd who saw it land And yeah

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he had a fifteen footer that he missed, but he

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part of the hole. So yeah, I know that spot.

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Speaker 2: I was there.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Okay. So here's here's something I got, like

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the coolest souvenir ever that I think I could get

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in trouble for. But while I was while I was there,

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I had I just finished my water bottle. I filled

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it with pine straw. So I came home with the

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water bottle filled with pine straw. I put a couple

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of zalias in there, and a pine cone that I

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found all the floor. They were all on the floor.

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Speaker 2: But that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: How is it that, Okay, a kid from Toronto learning

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playing golf and there's a lot of golf in Toronto.

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I hear from a lot of listeners in Canada, But

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you keep dropping these names, good buddy mine, good buddy

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of mine. How is it that you have so many

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good buddies that are high profile golfers.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned, you know, I think I was a

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decent golfer in my own right till I packed it him,

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Because I mean I was decent enough to play on

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the Canadian Tour for a few years and nationwide tour.

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But you know, but but then there's the next level.

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Like I'd say, like Weirsy, I thought I could run

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with Weirzy toe to toe, but I couldn't because he

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was more tenacious than me. He had a better short

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game than me. Then as far as knowing guys now,

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I'd say that a lot of them use my training products.

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And then I think a lot of them appreciate how

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I coach. You know, a lot of guys will say, hey, man,

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I like how you kind of simplify things, don't make

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things too technical. And you know it's I always joke

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about coaching. It's like you want to you want to

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give somebody permission to do something that they want to do.

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You don't want to just keep the shackles on people, Oh,

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don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. You

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want to say yes, do that, Yes, that's good. And

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every once in a while you got to kind of

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rain some of the end if they got this miserable

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club face situation, bad grip path, whatever, But you want

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them to find something they believe in. So I think

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a lot of the good players they know that I've

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had the cup of coffee in that situation where I

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can respect what they go through. And I do think

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when you talk to a good player, you know, you

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can be a great coach and you don't have to

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be a great player. But I do think that a

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lot of great players do respect the fact that you've

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stood there, you've you've felt that lump in your throat.

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You know you played at a level that they can appreciate,

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and I think that goes a long way. Isn't necessary, No,

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but I think good players do appreciate that you've felt

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a little bit of what they feel and really truly

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respect how much you know, how much pressure that they're under,

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and ways to kind of deal with that. And that's

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how we teach the golf camp I mean not that

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I don't don't mean wrong. My campers are not tour players.

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My campers are just fun blokes, you know, l and men.

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We've had ninety year olds and we've had you know,

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studeley young people show up, but we teach you know,

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it's fun first, Fred, that's the key man. Fun, fun, fun, fun,

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life short, have fun. Music's on. I give people a rat.

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Can I swear on this episode? Can I swear? No swearing? Okay,

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I give them a hard time as opposed to s

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H I T and good good fun.

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Speaker 1: Though I always say you can't swear because I did

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receive an email once when I thought, okay, we can

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start swearing now, and I got an email immediately goes.

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I listened to the show with my seven year old

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in the back seat. Please don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's good radio.

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Speaker 1: It's easy.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, for sure. So you know, we golf

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is a game. You know, it's a game played right,

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It's played on this up and down roly poly thing.

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Training tends to be played on this flat, perfect thing.

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And so you bridge the gap between you know, what

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is training what is playing, so that in my camp,

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like we do, we play with we play with the

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golf schol people. We go in the afternoons, play with them,

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and they like seeing good players hit balls and they're like, wow,

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you know, I'm the old man now because I'm My

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coaches are younger than me, faster than me, and I

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hate to say better than me at golf, which I

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still fighting the good fight, but you know, but they

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get to see what good players, how they walk into

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a golf ball, how they make a decision. Their routine, man,

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their routine of a good golfer is huge. And I swear,

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like I look at I would love if I ever

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meet Rory again, and I probably will sometimes, and I mean,

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here's a guy that's so talented. I would love to

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sit down and go, hey, man, let me show you

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something cool about what Tiger did years ago that he

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may not even be aware of because Tiger's routine was

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so spot on when he was like the most separated

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elite player period, like the year two thousand, you and

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zos of my fifteen Okay, it's not even a contest, right,

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Ernie Elison mcgul and hell him and as we're second

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by fifteen shots different fields. Crazy. So Tiger, you know,

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and this is a Scott Fawcett. If you're a Scott

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Fawcett on the show, you should.

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Speaker 1: Have you had absolutely oh, absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: So Scott sends me in this videos and goes, you're

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gonna love this because he knows I'm my routine fanatic.

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And he goes, watch this, and I'm watching. I'm watching

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Tiger Woods looks super chill, take his little practice swings,

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talking to Stevie Williams, and then he looks at him

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and and then he kind of takes he takes a

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little moment and then as soon as he takes his

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first step, that first step to the ball, which is

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a you know, a few step walk, walks in, grabs

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a club, aims, the face, takes the looks that's his feet.

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Blah blah blah. It was the same the whole year,

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for a full shot Wow not and so where God

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bless Rory. Okay, Rory might look once, he might look twice,

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he might look six times. So it's you know not,

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And who am I to talk about how good Rory

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is because you know he's an epic talent. But I

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do think there are ways to say. Okay, here's like

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you had you had Peon. I was just listening to

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your episode. Man love her, I love pian Lenda the best,

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and sohole. You know you said thought box shot box right,

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and there think box playbox and they made that like

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they've coined that. And that's a beautiful way to play.

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Because I always tell my students, I go, you're gonna

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need to think about a ton of stuff. Sorry, it's

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gonna feel weird. Boohoo, changes suck, embrace it. Here's where

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you embrace the suck. Here behind the ball. And I

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show them the videos of Tiger and I say, here's

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where you get to take this practice swing behind the ball,

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and then you get to kind of organize yourself before

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you even get to the ball. Most of your check

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marks are done, so when you set the face behind

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the ball, you've built your funky new grip that my coaches,

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and I have taught you how to put the club

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on my hands in properly and instead of a you know,

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awful grip. We've got your arms in a nice spot.

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So when you get to the ball, you're in a

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good you're you're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: So once you look up and waggle, waggle, and nobody

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knows how to waggle, I call myself. I'm the CEO

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of waggling. Okay, I show you about to waggle. I

470
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:26,400
know you're shaking your head right now. For those listeners,

471
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,799
Phil Green's shaking his head. Not Phil Green, I'm sorry, Yeah,

472
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:33,440
but I got another body named Phil Green. Anyway. My

473
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,720
point is people don't know Fred how to waggle, man.

474
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:38,519
They don't know how to walk into a golf ball,

475
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,279
feel the way to the golf club. And then that

476
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,720
puts me in the tangent Fred, why is golf hard?

477
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,759
Tell me give me something because the ball's not moving.

478
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,880
Ball's not moving, okay, but give me something else.

479
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: You're right, Why okay? Why is golf hard? Because you're

480
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,000
hitting a different club every time? Two? Perfect friend? Yes,

481
00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:04,920
you're thinking too much?

482
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: Perfect think?

483
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't you be a test there's a.

484
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,559
Speaker 2: Test you passed, and then let me step in. How

485
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:16,519
about this every five minutes, give or take, that's the

486
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,039
that's when you hit a shot. So if we see

487
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,839
off together, Fred, we tap at eight, say we both

488
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,839
hit nice ones down the middle. Hey friend, nice shot,

489
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,759
Hey Marty, way to go. We walked down there, and

490
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,799
then guess what. We don't hit our second shot till

491
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,880
eight oh five. Yeah, and that might be an iron

492
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,680
we didn't even warm up with, if we warmed up

493
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,920
at all. And then we go to the green, maybe

494
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,839
we chip, maybe we had a bunker show whatever. Then

495
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,160
we go to the second hole, Fred, and maybe it's

496
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,960
part three. We don't even hit a driver. We pull

497
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,559
out a oh gosh, I gotta hit this five iron thing. Okay,

498
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,759
So golf is hard because the whole physical, the whole

499
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,480
physical thing about the game is wrapped up in one minute,

500
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,200
because a golf swing is one second. You know, if

501
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,079
you're John Rahm, your point nine. If you're Rory Mcorr,

502
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,000
you're one point oh two. If you're Tiger, you're one

503
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,720
point oh six. If you're super slow, you're one point three.

504
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,960
And how many full swings are going to take it

505
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,279
around a golf forty. That's it, So add them up.

506
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:17,440
You're under a minute, man, And yet you get to

507
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,720
surround this one minute athletic events in the four hours

508
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:24,440
or four and a half or three twenty five or

509
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359
whatever the golf course plays. And how do you do

510
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,880
all that? How do you go all the excess time?

511
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: Man?

512
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:33,559
Speaker 2: Right? And then you got a chip and Pott I

513
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,960
didn't at that time in but the athletic event of

514
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:39,960
golf is one minute, and now you've got to familiarize

515
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,559
yourself with this different club, make a decision, where's the wind?

516
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,319
How do I feel? Blah blah blah. Right, That's why

517
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:53,720
I love p and Lynn. They do it eloquently and scholastically,

518
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,759
and they present it in a lovely way, and I

519
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,240
just presented in my factual way of man. You got

520
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,480
to know some of these things, and you gotta be

521
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,200
able to make some, you know, serious decisions and live

522
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,759
with your decisions, because guess what you're gonna have. You're

523
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,680
gonna have one of three outcomes, a good batter and

524
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,920
good batter or indifferent shots nothing more. Nobody dies, So

525
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,519
you know, are you going to freak out after a

526
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:20,359
bad one? Because I don't I don't like it. But

527
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,240
sometimes a bad one might leave the premises, which sucks,

528
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,559
or a bad one might go into some bushes and

529
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,799
you might walk in and there's like the you know,

530
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:29,799
the angel glow is there because your ball is in

531
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,119
the middle of this oasis of opening and you can

532
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,640
fly a ball through like Rory did on Sunday a

533
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960
couple of times, right, right, So you know, the whole

534
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,279
game of golf is this fascinating thing, and then teaching

535
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:45,240
it is hysterical, absolutely hysterical. It's the funniest thing ever

536
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:49,359
because students absolutely want to do what their natural comfort is,

537
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960
no matter what you tell them, no matter what they don't.

538
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,400
They say they're going to work on what you want

539
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,279
them to do, they don't, and so guess they need

540
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:03,640
tenderizing in constant, constant coaching. And so we love it. Man.

541
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,920
That's what me and my guys do routine, en course

542
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,319
and technique and try to blend it all in there

543
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,000
so your mixture and recipe comes out a good one.

544
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,599
Speaker 1: I know this must be anecdotal, but I've always had

545
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:30,039
this thought that a students can't necessarily become good instructors

546
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480
because it comes naturally to them and they don't understand

547
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,240
why somebody is struggling because it was always easy for them, right,

548
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:43,680
So great players may not or you know, great athletes

549
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,440
in some ways may not be good coaches because it

550
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,279
just comes naturally to them and they don't understand the struggle.

551
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,359
Like you know, when Pete Rose became the manager of

552
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,599
the team, it's like, does he really know how to

553
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,319
manage people? No, he knows how to play hard the

554
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:05,519
way he played right plate, And so what is it?

555
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,960
How does a good golfer become like you? How do

556
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,160
you become an excellent instructor when you're watching people struggle

557
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:19,079
and you never really had those kind of struggles.

558
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,319
Speaker 2: Oh, so I would take you back to nineteen eighty

559
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,119
four and take you to Button Fille Driving Range in

560
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,440
North Toronto, and we're looking at a guy named Roman. Okay.

561
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,720
Roman was a member of George Newtsoon's range, and it

562
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,400
was just a George broke away from the national because

563
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
he wanted to do his own thing. And so we

564
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,559
are in his oh what do you call it, like

565
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,359
a modular golf shop, Okay, And I'm watching Roman hit

566
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,720
ball after ball. To quote David Ferdy, his swing looked

567
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,119
like an octopus fawn out of a tree. And so

568
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,119
I send to George. I go, George, why does Roman

569
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,359
swing it like that? And George looked at me and

570
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,759
he just said, he goes, Marty, watch Roman walk. And

571
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,480
I'm like, what do you mean? And then I watched.

572
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,200
I watched them walk. His gait was like a it

573
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,599
was his gate was like a funny little wattle. And

574
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,119
so George said to me, he goes watch them. And

575
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,240
there was a moment there and I'm watching them, and

576
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,599
then I go, yeah, he goes, look at he goes

577
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,359
you grew up playing sports. You play hockey or your

578
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,599
fit little dude. You know. At the time, I was

579
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,880
sixteen years old working for George. That's my start to teaching,

580
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,799
by the way, at his little range. So I'm watching

581
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,759
this guy who loved to hit balls, who hit it

582
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,440
on the button. Roman was a good ball striker whose

583
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,279
swing was goofy as you can imagine. And yet he

584
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:46,400
was there being coached by George and being assisted by me.

585
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:50,240
So like, how much can you really teach Roman when

586
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,880
he's getting the face on it the way you want

587
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,319
him to get it on. But it didn't look like

588
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,759
how George did it. And it didn't look like how

589
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,279
I did it because his physicality, his back, his knees,

590
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,440
his shoulders, hips, et cetera. So when I when we

591
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,119
are coaching our people, I can walk up to you

592
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,079
right away, pal, for the most part, shake your hand,

593
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,240
and get a pretty good little scan of what I'm

594
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,160
dealing with. And it's it's not much to watch somebody

595
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,480
walk toward me, quickly evaluate their physique, shake their hand,

596
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,039
feel and you can shake somebody's hand and feel, okay,

597
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,880
do they have little piano fingers? Have they swung a

598
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,079
hammer their whole life? Where are they in that, you know,

599
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,559
in that kind of strength profile. And then when you

600
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,119
watch somebody walk, you can see how they carry themselves,

601
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000
what's their posture, how their apps hold them, how their

602
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:40,440
lower back you know it is their lower back healthy

603
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,119
or not. So you see these things super sudden, and

604
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640
then you ask them, hey, let me know. My clients,

605
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,880
I always say, hey, tell me if you have any

606
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,119
fake parts. That's what I say right away. And then

607
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:50,920
the ladies have said some silly things to me, but

608
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,400
most of the people will say, oh, you know, on

609
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,079
the shoulder or knees, the knees or whatever. Right, So

610
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,880
I'll get the answer. Yeah, I've got a fake hip,

611
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,640
a fake knee, whatever. But typically, if you've done this

612
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,920
long enough, you can look at somebody quick. Now. The boys,

613
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,480
the TPI Boys, Dave and Greg Rose, have done an

614
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,240
amazing job with their profiling of people like their physical

615
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,039
because that's most people need to kind of go dent

616
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:17,799
a list here, do a bit of a squad here,

617
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,880
do this little strates blah blah blah. But I tell

618
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,799
you what, when you when you've stood in front of

619
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,000
so many humans as I have something in a golf club,

620
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,119
you can see a lot of things right away just

621
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400
by how their posture is, how they hold their hips,

622
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,480
how they shake your hand, how their shoulders are set. Everything.

623
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,039
It's unbelievable. And so that's what George's lesson to me was, like,

624
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,200
you know, respect their physicality.

625
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,119
Speaker 1: Wow. So, but when you're on the driving range, you're

626
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,759
teaching on a range like that, you're not doing a

627
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,799
playing lesson right people people on the range you don't

628
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,000
really see a lot of people do their pre shot

629
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,559
routine every ball. Yeah right, it's a lot of scoop

630
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,359
and scoop and hit scooping it right, So how do

631
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,680
you tell you know, as you were just talking about

632
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:09,519
the importance of a pre shot routine, right, how can

633
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,680
you tell what they're doing when they're playing golf with

634
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,720
their pre shot routine or do you just ask them

635
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,240
show me your pre shot routine.

636
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: I pre shot routine is a massive part of the

637
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,119
golf school. I tell him it's the most important thing

638
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,240
they'll do, period. It's the most So, you know, do

639
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:29,640
you know who Adam Oates is? No, you heard that name? So.

640
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,920
Adam Motes is a Hall of Fame NHL hockey player

641
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,759
played for Saint Louis, the Rangers, Detroit, Treny coho else.

642
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,200
He's from Toronto. He's probably ten years older than me. Anyway,

643
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,960
calls my friend up and says, and this is Mike Wilson,

644
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,759
by the way, an excellent coach who was introduced to

645
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,720
Mike Queer years ago and they were a great coaching

646
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,880
player at Union for a long time. Mike calls me

647
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
up and says, you're going to love this. I go,

648
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,119
what are you talking about? He goes, I know how

649
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,720
much you love like the routine finishing for him. I go, well,

650
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,039
what do you got? Goes, well, you know Adamotes is right, I,

651
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,240
of course I know Adam Motes. I grew up in

652
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,159
a player. I'm a hockey nerd. This guy played junior

653
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,400
hockey at Wexford blah blah blah, so I totally know

654
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,400
who he is. Anyway, he goes, he called me and

655
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,840
asked me to teach him how to twirl the club.

656
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,199
And so my friend is like on the phone with him.

657
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,320
He had never met him. He doesn't, he just knows,

658
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,519
by the way, he's a friend of where Isy blah

659
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:29,480
blah blah. This guy wants to take a lesson. So

660
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,960
the guy goes, Adam Mose tells the coach that you

661
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:33,960
haven't even met yet. I want to learn how to

662
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,000
You know, when a pro hits a really good shot

663
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,760
and they finish and they come out of their follow

664
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,519
through and they spin the club and it's like, yeah,

665
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,119
that was a good one. Well, Adam goes, I want

666
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,480
to learn how to do that. And so the MIC's like,

667
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,239
you don't want to learn how to fix your hook,

668
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,800
your slice, your chip shots?

669
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: What?

670
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,519
Speaker 2: No, No, he goes, Here's what I think. He goes,

671
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880
I think if I have the mindset that I'm going

672
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,079
to hit a shot and come out of my fall

673
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,559
through and spin the club that's going to make me

674
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:05,840
hit it bat? How about that? So, Mike, I feel

675
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920
about that amazing because it gave me goosebumps. One might

676
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,079
call me about it? How about this? Oh yeah, because

677
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,760
think about it. You've got an elite athlete, a Hall

678
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,960
of Famer in his sport. Okay, Now, if you're not

679
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,320
a hockey fan, you don't know who he is. But

680
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,960
then there's tons of people wouldn't know who a lot

681
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,840
of soccer Hall of famers are either, Right, so you

682
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,519
got to You got an exceptional player in their sport

683
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:34,079
asking you about a mental nuance. That is such a

684
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:38,239
fantastic place to be in. So imagine every shot you're

685
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,960
about to hit, you feel as though you're gonna have

686
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,599
this nice swish through the ball. The club is going

687
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,800
to exhaust itself around you. It's gonna come you know,

688
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,079
it's gonna rebound back in front of you, and then

689
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,559
you're gonna spin it like tiger woods and let it

690
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,480
holster it, meaning like let it slide down your hands

691
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:59,679
while it's spinning. Now, how about that mental thought versus Oh,

692
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239
there's a lake over to the right. Oh heavens, there's

693
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,199
trees on the left. Oh, I better hit it over

694
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,920
this creek. Okay, so you see where that mental space is.

695
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,960
When I heard that, I'm like, wow, that's why the

696
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,239
guy was a Hall of Fame hockey player. Wow, because

697
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,159
you know you've run technique in mental fortitude and that's

698
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,480
that's what happens.

699
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,639
Speaker 1: That's a great story. That's a great story. Okay, I've

700
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:30,440
got a little hockey story for you from just recently since. Okay, No,

701
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,639
when Ov broke the record a couple of weeks ago,

702
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,519
right the scoring rues a time, the all time scoring

703
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,559
goal record. We had friends in from out of town,

704
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,079
and the friend that was here has been a Caps

705
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,400
season ticket holder for fifty plus years. He was one

706
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,039
of the first thirty two people or is he only

707
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:56,559
thirty two left that have been season ticket holders the

708
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,400
entire time they've been in Washington. And so he was

709
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,280
watching the he was watching the game on, you know,

710
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,079
in my house, and I was busy doing things. I

711
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,920
happened to just walk in the room look up at

712
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,320
the tv. He scored the goal. I'm like, oh, good,

713
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,960
I got to celebrate with you. George.

714
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,519
Speaker 2: This is perfect cool. That is so cool because you

715
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,880
know that there's there's memories like, oh, we took the pok.

716
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,199
You know, he's on the he's on the left side

717
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:26,039
of the ice, takes this great pass, rips a slat.

718
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,480
I'm sorry, rips a wrist shot on the islanders. The

719
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,719
only problem was it was in Long Island. It wasn't

720
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,119
in Wash.

721
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,159
Speaker 1: It wasn't that that you know well that my friend

722
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:38,639
wouldn't have been visiting. He timed his trip, timed his trip,

723
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:40,800
and he was texting with his daughter the whole time.

724
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh that's so cool. Yeah, I've got some crazy, crazy,

725
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,239
crazy Caps fans, and I'm super happy they got to

726
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:47,719
enjoy that.

727
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of the pre shot routine.

728
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,920
I've learned over the years with many conversations, how import

729
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,760
and the pre shot routine is. And of course I

730
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,159
get accused of slow play sometimes because I'm so disciplined.

731
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,519
I feel it's a discipline here and about my pre

732
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:18,159
shot routine. But it's you know, stand behind the ball,

733
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,440
do what you got to do, lock in, step up

734
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,719
to the ball and hit it. So that's why I

735
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,880
don't waggle. I just step up to the ball and

736
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,000
do what I got to do. How do you feel

737
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,159
about the post shot routine, because mental coaches will talk

738
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:33,239
about the post shot routine. Yeah, what about swing coaches?

739
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,039
Speaker 2: You know, I think that, you know, I go back

740
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,840
to George Newtson, Like his funny, funny joke was wait

741
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,239
three seconds and then you can swear right by the

742
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,840
time you wait three seconds, you don't care. So you know,

743
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,800
you can imagine, like for the viewers that don't know

744
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,360
who he has imagined thinking about like Clint Eastwood, you know,

745
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,760
in a dirty, hairy movie teaching twelve year olds how

746
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,320
to play golf. You know, so that's kind of the

747
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840
persona that was. And he was lovely, we all loved him,

748
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:07,119
but he would he just had mad respect for the

749
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,599
guy because he was so good. He's spending that kind

750
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,840
of time with the kids in every shot he was.

751
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Basically is a good or as a bad or is

752
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,920
an indifferent Okay, nobody's gonna die what you learn?

753
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:16,639
Speaker 1: All right?

754
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:20,119
Speaker 2: Cool, but you know that's it. Move along, No time

755
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:21,880
to boo who Your next next shot is the most

756
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,480
important one. Let's go. So, you know, I always get

757
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,159
a kick. I tell people all the time on my

758
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,079
golf camp, I say, you know what, you're not good

759
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,280
enough to get mad. You don't deserve to get mad.

760
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,599
You have not put in any time to warrant the

761
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:36,559
right to get mad.

762
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: I have.

763
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: I should if I, if I miss, I should get

764
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,920
mad because I've spent my life on this darn game.

765
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,440
You haven't and some but I don't get mad because why,

766
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,880
it just distracts from the next Hey, what's my next strategy? Yeah,

767
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,280
if I had a bad shop, sure I am, but

768
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,599
I mean it's like, move along, It's all good.

769
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: A listener once told me that when he was playing

770
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,360
as a kid with his dad, he had a shot

771
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:04,039
got upset through his club. His dad said, you're not

772
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:05,599
good enough to throw your clubs yet.

773
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, totally, totally. Yeah, So that's good stuff.

774
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,079
Speaker 1: So you've become a massive YouTube star. Not Paige Spinner

775
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,760
rock big, but you know, I mean like I met

776
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,440
her on Wednesday at the Masters, but you if Yeah,

777
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,239
she was very sweet. You have really almost every video

778
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,920
I watch you come on beforehand and I give it

779
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,800
the skip. But I've seen so many of your videos

780
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,400
and I get sucked in because you're really good at it.

781
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,599
You really good television man, really good.

782
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, and.

783
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:54,519
Speaker 1: It's led I'm sure to the success of your schools, yes,

784
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:01,000
and also your products, the tour striker products. So I

785
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:04,679
have a question for you, and I hope you'll answer, Yeah,

786
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,519
how do I find the bottom of my swing? I mean,

787
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:11,280
I have been I've been struggling, and I tell when

788
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,199
I'm playing with people, and that I can tell the

789
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,920
new golfers, I'll always ask them. I say, okay, here

790
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:19,599
my fist is the ball okay, and the back of

791
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,519
my left fist, that's the direction we're going. You tell me,

792
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,719
you know, if your swing is if you think of

793
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,800
your swing as a circle, then there's a bottom of

794
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440
the circle. Where do you think the bottom of the

795
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440
circle is? Show me, like, is it six inches behind?

796
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,320
Is it one inch behind? Is it one inch in front?

797
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,639
Is it six inches in front? Where do you think

798
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:42,679
that is? In? Ninety nine percent of the time, new

799
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:46,360
golfers will tell you about, you know, six inches behind

800
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,280
the ball. Sure, it's like, yeah, actually that's wrong. Actually

801
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,800
the bottom of your swing should be in front of

802
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,880
the ball. So I focus on that a lot and

803
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,599
I've lost it. I cannot find it, you know, help me.

804
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I would say, when you think about golf,

805
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,000
think about it a couple of ways. I mean, there's

806
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,280
there's a linear way to think about it. Meaning if

807
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,519
you're standing over a golf shot and say you had

808
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,920
an aim stick that was between your toe line and

809
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,039
the golf ball pointed at your desired target. Okay, so

810
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,679
the left and right behavior of that would be linear.

811
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,320
Then there's a rotational piece. Now, what happens with golfers

812
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,159
that have a have swing bottom challenges typically is that

813
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,119
during their backswing rotation to develop some power, they will

814
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,679
also have too much lateral too much linear motion away

815
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,000
from the target. So they're compounding that the challenge of

816
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,280
getting back where they need to go. Now, remember early

817
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,039
in the episode we talked like a golf swing is

818
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,400
one point two seconds long. So the more chaos you

819
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,719
create developing a backswing, meaning if your rotational power development

820
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,559
phase of development a backswing also has lateral motion to

821
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,440
the right, you've got to undo all that in order

822
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:03,599
for the expansion of the developed power. Meaning i'd address

823
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,039
the club's kind of hanging from your hands during the backswing.

824
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,360
You know your arms elevate while your body rotates. Now

825
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960
you add in complexity of lateral behavior to that. And

826
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,559
by the way, that one second event point seventy five

827
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:20,920
of that is the backswing. Point twenty five of that

828
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,719
is the expansion into a golf ball. So if you

829
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,639
create the chaos of having a poor developed backswing, meaning

830
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,559
something too lateral off the ball away from the target,

831
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:35,199
your ability to have energy and get that club to touch

832
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,519
the ball before the end of out. And my old coach,

833
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,719
Mark Evershid used to say the end of out, So

834
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,880
the end of out would be as though you took

835
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440
a hula hoop and you had it in front of you.

836
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:49,519
Maybe you know, maybe it's waist high hula hoop or

837
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,239
thigh high hula hoop, and you took the bottom of

838
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,679
that hula hoop and you pushed it a little to

839
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,679
the left of a golf ball that was centered in

840
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480
your stands, or maybe you know a little ford of

841
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,559
center for ironshot, and then that hula hoop has a

842
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:05,239
down and out portion. Well, the end of that down

843
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,119
and out portion, fred should be a little bit for

844
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,079
the golf ball. That's the end of out, and then

845
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,679
there's an up and end. So to your point, you're right.

846
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,119
All the beginning golfers have no idea where the end

847
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,719
of out is, where the actual swing bottom is. And

848
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
once you tell them, then a light switches on. Now

849
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,880
I know you. You kind of go okay, it makes

850
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,119
sense to you. Then as a teacher, I might look

851
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,840
at you as it taking a lesson and say, well,

852
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:34,400
during your backswing development, here's your little chaos, or what

853
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,840
we call now the root flaw. Here's your root issue

854
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,960
for expanding back to a ball. You know, is it

855
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,639
a risky situation? Is it a lateral thing? Is it

856
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,880
a are your arms pinned too low? I mean where

857
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,519
did where did the where did this that the events

858
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,679
start to unravel? Okay? And so we look at where

859
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,440
the root issue is and where the events unravel, and

860
00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:59,719
as coach as we say, hey, listen, we'll paint the

861
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,039
pick sure of where a club has to swing. And

862
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,000
we use a three D analysis thing. It's called gears golf.

863
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,559
It's unbelievable and you can see as plain as day,

864
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,960
I can put your swing up to a very functional pro.

865
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,159
You can even pick the pro, doesn't matter who do

866
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,760
you like? Okay, I probably haven't saved my database, and

867
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,000
I can put your golf ball right on top of

868
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,880
their golf ball, so I can show you your swing

869
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,960
shape and circle to their swing shape and circle and

870
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,480
I can show you where their swing bottom is and

871
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,320
where your swing bottom is. And it's really not that

872
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:36,159
hard to experiment with a couple of feels to have

873
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,239
the successful swing bottom. It's not that hard. You seem

874
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,119
like it may not feel what you wanted to feel.

875
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,360
You may fight me a bit and like, oh, but

876
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,559
I feel like I don't care, Fred, You got to

877
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:52,159
get this club a little bit more this way. And

878
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:56,239
then here's a mechanism that is absolutely objective. Not me

879
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,760
telling you, it's a machine telling you. It's like you

880
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,400
know these great launch monitors. Nowadays, there's objective data that

881
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,320
you cannot argue with. That's why some of these young

882
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,440
kids on tour are so good so fast. They know

883
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,079
through data how much better they are than tour players,

884
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,000
even all they got to do is not throw up

885
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,679
on themselves. And now, through factual evidence, I can have

886
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,320
you play around with a few feels and go, oh, okay,

887
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,559
there's the swing bottom. It feels weird for me, that

888
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,719
feels excessive this way, or maybe more mile this way,

889
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,079
but here's the bottom. And then if you want to

890
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,280
dig it out of the sand, like Hogan, did you

891
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,320
know we do? We put you in a fairway bunker man,

892
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,440
and we put a little aimstick down perpendicular to turret line,

893
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,440
and we put a little groove in the sand and

894
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,880
we take the instick away and then we see if

895
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,320
you can touch in the right spot, and then we

896
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,159
look back to say if the face was in a

897
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,679
decent spot, because path and face have to have a

898
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,760
relationship for a golf ball to go to a desirable position.

899
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,559
So there's modern technology that can help, and there's old

900
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,480
school digga out of the dirt that can help. Both

901
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,119
are great and so that's why a coach, I call

902
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,159
it bear wrestling, Like when you come see me, you

903
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,000
better plan on. I'm putting my hands on you, moving

904
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,079
you where I need you, bear wrestling you into a

905
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,239
position you may like or dislike until you agree that

906
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,280
it is a functional place for you to deliver the

907
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:29,400
golf club from.

908
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: Were you familiar with Tony Manzoni.

909
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: I love Tony Manzoni. I've got a great Tony Manzoni

910
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,519
story right now.

911
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,199
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is I've got it scheduled. We

912
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,400
haven't recorded yet. But Geene Parente, you probably know Gene. Okay,

913
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,239
I'm not Gene.

914
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean I know him, but I don't know him.

915
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: Well, okay, Jean's dad and Tony Manzoni started telling.

916
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: That's right, Hickory Sticks.

917
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: And I have club. So I heard a listener wrote

918
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,320
to me and said, this guy mentioned Tony Manzoni in

919
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,960
his podcast. You want to look into this. So I

920
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:12,840
listened to the podcast and I wrote to him and

921
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,920
he's like, oh, I have plenty of Tony Manzoni stories

922
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,400
because I grew up with you know, and my dad

923
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,880
were they grew up together and then they started this business,

924
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,880
and so yeah, I got plenty of Tony Manzoni stories.

925
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,800
So please, you know, because we're the only source of

926
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Tony Manzonia on the internet. I don't know if you're

927
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,920
aware of that. You know, there's thirteen times and every year, yeah,

928
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,000
every year since he passed. We play all of his

929
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,480
episodes right in a row to kick off the season,

930
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,519
and I get emails more than ever saying this guy

931
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,639
is awesome. I love his single pivot, his single pivot swing.

932
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tony Tony was. I got that book's

933
00:48:56,679 --> 00:49:01,519
kicking around somewhere assigned copy and he was a member

934
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,239
of mine in Palm Desert. So my first club ro

935
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,840
job was at Indian Ridge Country Club. He I think

936
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,800
he was married a couple of times. I'm not sure,

937
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,280
but anyway, he moved into this home there. He was

938
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,320
an honorary member of the developer guy named Bill Bone.

939
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:21,159
He gave Bill Bone a couple lessons and really helped

940
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:24,639
build and play better. And Tony was obviously that he

941
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,880
was the coach of the College of the Desert that

942
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:29,960
had a ton of good players computer and they won

943
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,360
I don't know how many of those college championships in

944
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,000
a row, like crazy.

945
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the regional he won like twenty nine in a row.

946
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like something nuts, Like you can't even make that.

947
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,679
They can't make that number up, Like that's how good

948
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,960
it was. And so Tony was a member when we

949
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,960
he knew George Knutson, so he had massive respect for

950
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,400
my former boss. So I was this was my first

951
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,039
club pro job. I'm twenty six, I just finished playing.

952
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,719
I was a good player. He's got respect for that.

953
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,920
He he was a very good player. We played a

954
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,960
little bit of golf together because he's a member there

955
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,639
and he was a PGA member obviously. I was a

956
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:11,480
PGM member two still am and he we played in

957
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:15,000
the senior Junior Championship for Southern cal Okay. So that's

958
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,280
a pretty cool event. So somebody's over fifty, somebody's under fifty.

959
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,079
Well I was the one under fifty. And we played

960
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:27,599
at Man Desert something and anyway, of course, in Palm Desert,

961
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,800
it was a hot summer day and Tony and I

962
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,079
there's some really good teams, like you know, tour player,

963
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,039
you know, fifty year old tour player guy playing with

964
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,239
some hot shot assistant pro guy. Whatever. Anyway, Tony and

965
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,280
I won the event, and he played really nice. I

966
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,559
played really nice. He made a double eagle that day.

967
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:51,639
He hit a driver in some kind of I don't know,

968
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,760
hybrid or three what or something up on a green.

969
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,159
It went in for a two, and he was He

970
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,559
played so nice. And you know when you have like

971
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,119
a little bit of trauma from golf, I mean every

972
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,599
golfer hasn't. He was playing so good, and I was

973
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,960
just kind of playing like supportive because it was a

974
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,239
better ball. So I was playing steady, Eddie. I wasn't

975
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,760
going off. I wasn't sinking three woods like Tony was.

976
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,400
But I think he could he knew that I was

977
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,239
pretty steady, and he could kind of rely on that

978
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,280
and then like the we we knew, like we're gonna

979
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,719
shoot sixty or something like something low, we were twelve

980
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,920
under or whatever, it's probably going to be close to winning.

981
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,920
And I was the one calming him down, like he

982
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,639
was so excited, like a little kid, you know, and

983
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,800
he's fifty something and I'm twenty six, and were we

984
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,679
get maybe a whole or two to go, And I'm like, tone,

985
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,000
it's good, We're fine, man, don't worry about it. Maybe

986
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:42,840
we get one more birdie, maybe we don't. Let's just

987
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,079
hit solid shots here, see what you know, see what happens,

988
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,199
and we wind up winning that thing. And I'll tell

989
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,800
you what, it was such a pleasurable thing because it

990
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,000
like to see the joy in his face, to have

991
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:58,400
another quote, win was awesome. Like winning is fun. Let's

992
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,599
be honest, indo. And like I just met the guy,

993
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:03,800
like and maybe I knew maybe a year because I

994
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,719
just got the job and I was just hanging out there.

995
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,280
I didn't realize he was like the legend of College

996
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,639
of the Desert, and I didn't really realize like he

997
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,639
was the originator of Callaway and all this stuff. And

998
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,280
then I got to know a little bit more after that,

999
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,639
but it was Yeah, Tony Manzoni, that's my Tony story

1000
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,400
when in the senior junior in Southern cal Pretty pretty fun.

1001
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love that. So were you familiar with

1002
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:30,000
his single pivot swing? You know? So he he, he

1003
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,119
was talking about, you know, staying on the left side

1004
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,679
and keeping keeping your left arm attached to your your

1005
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,079
pecks right.

1006
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure on that becks.

1007
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: So I'd love your thoughts comments on.

1008
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: So I think you know, I mean, it's here's when

1009
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,719
when you talk about like single pivot or or or

1010
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,280
stock untilt or just here's where these these things work.

1011
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,960
Because if you again, you create chaos in a backswing. Okay,

1012
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,920
if you can't undo chaos, you can't play golf. So

1013
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:10,000
if you can simplify certain elements, then you know, impact

1014
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,079
would be more reliable. So when stack untilt came around,

1015
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,360
like I got mad respect for Mike Bennett, Andy Plumber,

1016
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,559
you know, they basically said, hey, listen, most people destroy

1017
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,519
their golf swing right off the get go. They're way

1018
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,159
there are way pressures, way too far to the right,

1019
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:28,880
and they're right now, They're one hundred percent right now.

1020
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,239
You know, Tony probably had some inspiration from that. I'm

1021
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,800
not sure, but it's sort of evolved around the same time,

1022
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,000
and I think you basically go to the campers. We

1023
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,960
teach if somebody's pelvis, okay, at pelvis is an oval

1024
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:49,960
of well at least you hope it should be an oval.

1025
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,960
And if this oval of a pelvis moves too much

1026
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,440
to the right while it's rotating, good luck to you

1027
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,800
getting back far enough to where you can have the

1028
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,159
end of out the bottom of your swing being in

1029
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:06,079
the right place. So the simplification of saying, hey, listen,

1030
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,679
having a little weight pressure on your left side, which

1031
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,840
George Newton always professed, you know, is a good place

1032
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,199
to start the pulse of a backswing, meaning you got

1033
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,960
to put pressure into the ground to rotate. If you

1034
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:21,039
push pressure equally with both feet into the ground, you jump,

1035
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,000
or you put pressure one way, you push theto the

1036
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,159
ground at your right foot a little bit. It makes

1037
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:28,599
your right hip turn. So now, do you want that

1038
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,360
pelvis to gly too much to the right. No, So,

1039
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,280
you know, in Tony's case, it was just a way

1040
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,440
for a golfer who struggles with a low point to

1041
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:42,280
have a bit more efficient development of a Backswing. So

1042
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,280
I read his book. I loved it. I called him

1043
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,440
before he passed away about it. I thought it was great.

1044
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,519
And you know, I mean that's a small legacy, a

1045
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,440
part of his legacy because for example, like one of

1046
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,920
my assistant coaches, you know, is Brian Geiberger, So he

1047
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:01,159
was on that team, and his brother Brent as a

1048
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,119
tour winner, he was on that team. You know, There's

1049
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,719
been so many guys that Tony Manzoni has had a

1050
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,480
has been an influence in their lives, you know, and

1051
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,519
a ton and it's and he was a caring coach

1052
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:19,800
and a passionate absolute golf nerd absolute like I I

1053
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,480
he might even be nerdier than me. Like he loved

1054
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:26,039
it that much. The kidding a solid shot was like

1055
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,119
it was like a drug to him, you know, was

1056
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,199
and if he could get more solid shots. And I

1057
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,199
think he enjoyed his you know, he enjoyed his life.

1058
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:36,679
He had some ups and downs, but different things. But man,

1059
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,480
he was always smiling to people, and he cared about people.

1060
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,719
And I'm better for knowing them. So I'll leave it

1061
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,000
at that.

1062
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all are. And I get emails a regular

1063
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,840
basis going I wish I had a chance to meet

1064
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,599
that guy just from listening to the podcast.

1065
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: Oh he's a beauty, so special special.

1066
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,599
Speaker 1: And did you know who the godfather of his daughter was?

1067
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,039
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like Frank Sinatra

1068
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:10,800
or somebody, But who was? I made that up because

1069
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,440
I knew he kind of ran with some of those

1070
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,159
guys you gotta be kissing. I didn't know that I was.

1071
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,719
I was gonna say Dean Martiner one of those guys

1072
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,119
or something like that, because he could be crazy.

1073
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,159
Speaker 1: Very good, very good friends with Sinatra And go back.

1074
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,119
Speaker 2: Story got a good I got a really good story.

1075
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: Oh do it again? Go for it?

1076
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:32,559
Speaker 2: Sorry, I love it. So he brings Oh my god,

1077
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:36,559
So he brings Joe Pesci out to play golf. Okay,

1078
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:41,400
so has he told this story? Maybe this is my version,

1079
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:41,920
this is.

1080
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: The I love it.

1081
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: So he brings Tony Man brings Joe Pesci. We got

1082
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,639
a lot of celebrities out in Palm Desert back in

1083
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,639
the day. And so in watch Joe Pesci and I'm

1084
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,639
and I see him, and I you know, I'm excited

1085
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,960
to meet him and say hello. And Joe Pesci it

1086
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,199
brings with him a absolute rocket of a female male

1087
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,599
companion with him. Okay, that she is like some lovely

1088
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:11,039
super model fit Asian rocket. And she's wearing a like

1089
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:15,159
body stocking like before Lululemon was cool, Like he couldn't

1090
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,639
wear that at the stuffy place I was at, Like

1091
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,199
my place was like on the verge of stuff. You

1092
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,519
had had the old school rules. You had to have

1093
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,119
your shirt tucked in, you couldn't wear short socks, I mean,

1094
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,159
silly stuff that since went away gratefully, and you'd be

1095
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:31,400
more comfortablaying golf. But this lady comes in and she's

1096
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:35,960
maybe she's probably twenty something. Okay, I'm twenty something. And

1097
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,320
then there's Tony Manzoni and Joe Pesci there right, so hysterical,

1098
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,679
and so I say, I say to mister Pesci, I said,

1099
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,880
mister Pesci, I said, your your friend has dropped at Lovely,

1100
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:53,440
I said, but she has to wear golf attire for

1101
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:56,880
with the club, says you know, And he's looking at

1102
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,400
me like, are you are you telling me? Are you

1103
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,679
telling me? Like he's giving me the gears now right

1104
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:04,800
Like I'm in this twenty six year old pro Joe

1105
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,519
Peshi's given me the business he's are you telling me?

1106
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,280
You telling me that? And he goes, I'm just messing

1107
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,800
with you, kid. Then he goes, hey, I told you

1108
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,719
could wear that damn outfit. That's what he says. Go

1109
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,800
get yourself some of that, Tommy Bahama, that's what he says.

1110
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,679
And it's like, oh my god that she's like looking

1111
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,920
around like kind of half embarrassed, and she goes buy

1112
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,960
his like, you know, pleated shorts and a big shirt,

1113
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,519
which was awful because she was like a very physically fit,

1114
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,400
lovely lady. But yeah, he gave me the business just

1115
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,239
long enough to know that. I was like, oh my gosh,

1116
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,199
I got Joe Pescion mad at me. And then he

1117
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,079
hollered at his girl and made her go buy some

1118
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:42,239
like common golf clothes.

1119
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm I just couldn't let you go. I'm sorry.

1120
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,119
I have so many more questions. That's how long it's

1121
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:56,559
been since you've been on, and you tell such great stories.

1122
00:58:56,599 --> 00:59:01,119
I can't stop. But you know, I want to hear

1123
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:03,800
more about your golf schools. I think everybody right now

1124
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,719
wants to hear more about your golf schools and how

1125
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,800
we can get involved.

1126
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: You know what I wish I could. I'm blessed that

1127
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:16,760
camps have been sold out for many years now. I

1128
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,599
mean it's been unbelievable. So, you know, if people go

1129
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,840
to tourist Striker dot com, they can look at some

1130
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,119
of the products that I've invented and sell, and they

1131
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,840
go to tours and then there's a little menu there.

1132
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,760
They can go to the Golf Academy and look at that.

1133
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,320
You know, I'm available for lessons, and so are my

1134
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:39,599
amazing assistant coaches. I've got a fantastic group of coaches

1135
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,760
that have been with me for years. So typically I'm

1136
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,719
booked out quite a ways, but my guys are a

1137
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,119
little bit more available, and I would say that I

1138
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:49,960
would take a lesson from any one of my guys.

1139
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,280
So our home base is Phoenix, Arizona at the Raven

1140
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,079
and then in the summertime we get around. I travel

1141
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,800
about ten days a month. I do camps all over

1142
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,679
the place. But yeah, everything that people would want to

1143
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,719
learn about what I'm up to, go to Touristriker dot

1144
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:06,480
com and then they can choose other you know, the

1145
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,400
products that I have invented in sell, or they can

1146
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,079
come to a golf camera take a lesson your inventions.

1147
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: You're prolific with your inventions and they're so helpful. Just

1148
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:23,719
I mean, I've had this for fifteen years, my seven iron,

1149
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,360
my touristriker seven iron. I brought it out the other day.

1150
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:28,639
I brought it out. Was hitting balls the net with that.

1151
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: It's like dang, and I wanted to keep my hands somehow.

1152
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,760
I wanted to get those like fade away, so we

1153
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,480
had to get a second one. I should have made them.

1154
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,280
Shouldn't have made them so resilient, you know.

1155
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know you invented it before Apple came

1156
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,639
in and started planning planned obsolescence.

1157
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Right right, No, I know, I know.

1158
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: No, it's it's still working and it works well. But

1159
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,480
you know the touristriker clubs on helping you keep your

1160
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,440
hands in front of the ball and hitting down on

1161
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,400
the ball. I hope I'm describing it properly.

1162
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's The idea is just to modify somebody's intent, right,

1163
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,960
because when you look at that thing, you're like, how

1164
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,840
does this work? And then you pretty much figure out

1165
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,719
pretty quick well to present loft, the shaft has to

1166
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,800
lean a little bit, and so that's that changes how

1167
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,639
a lot of people look at you know, how do

1168
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:21,599
they get to the end of out and chaft Liane

1169
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:24,079
is one of those ways. So that was one of

1170
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:26,079
my first that's first product I got the market.

1171
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a huge success.

1172
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: It was a long time ago.

1173
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've mentioned other products here with Rory and

1174
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,679
and Rosie were using the ball. Tell us about that

1175
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:39,880
one smart.

1176
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: Smart ball was just you know what, it's one of

1177
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:43,960
those things that's just a little bit better mouse trap.

1178
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:48,360
And oddly enough, my patent attorney got a patented but

1179
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,559
it's probably the most knocked off product ever. And congratulations,

1180
01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:56,679
I guess so, yeah, I guess imitation is flattery somehow.

1181
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,960
But no, there's other We have other aids for risk conditions,

1182
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:05,440
clickers and guides. And years ago I invented co codmits

1183
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,159
at a club called the training called the plane Mate

1184
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:14,360
with a former assistant of mind, and now I'm relaunching it.

1185
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,000
It's called the swing Trainer of all things, imagine that,

1186
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,920
and it's more of a it's something that is a

1187
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,239
little bit bizarre, but it's what the beauty of it is.

1188
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,960
Most people are uncomfortable using training aids on a driving range.

1189
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,480
Not many people like using any kind of gizmo where

1190
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,159
people can see them. So this whole thing is based

1191
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:34,639
on you mean, you can use it on the range

1192
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:38,039
if you're incapable of being embarrassed like me, or you

1193
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,159
can develop your game at home with all the digital

1194
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:44,320
content provided with all these training products, because I think

1195
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,360
I want your viewers to realize they're not buying a

1196
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,559
training aid, they're buying a training method. Like it's like,

1197
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:52,599
and I say, meth I say that loosely, but it's

1198
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:56,039
like it addresses so many things that if you just

1199
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,840
kind of follow the content and my coaching style with

1200
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,280
the products, I dairhia not to get better, like I

1201
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,760
dare you. Okay, people will get better. So I've been

1202
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,000
doing this a long time, blessed. In this silly game

1203
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:11,480
Whack and a white Ball, Robin Williams said it best

1204
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,519
they put a wea flag down there to give you hope. Well,

1205
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,119
I think I give some people some hope and I

1206
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:16,960
have fun doing it.

1207
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:21,039
Speaker 1: So yes you do, Yes you do. And you know,

1208
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:24,519
since we started talking years and years ago, that was

1209
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:29,880
way before the data explosion and all the digital all

1210
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,320
all the digital aids that give you the spin rate

1211
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,800
and everything else. You know, your distance, How has that

1212
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,800
impacted your inventions?

1213
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: It's great because I mean it basically says, hey, this

1214
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:48,280
invention you Now you have objective data that proves my

1215
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,159
stuff works, which I love. I love when somebody wants

1216
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,599
to compare it to something. Hey, you know, does group

1217
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:56,800
B get better when they use this or Group A?

1218
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,440
Blah blah blah. And so I don't you know, I

1219
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,239
don't put on my website that that are going to

1220
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,559
hurt people. I put stuff out that is hey, just

1221
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,400
you know, I hate to say a lot of dudes

1222
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,719
don't like to follow the directions, So I make the

1223
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,400
directions kind of fun videos. Just watch the video, follow

1224
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,960
along a little bit. If you want to hit whiffleballs

1225
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,239
at your house, do that and you will have an

1226
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,239
elevated heightened awareness of how to better rhythmically move the

1227
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,159
golf club and have more fun. That's all I'm trying

1228
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:27,559
to do, help people have more fun.

1229
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,039
Speaker 1: Got any new inventions coming up? You know?

1230
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,679
Speaker 2: I I do that. Well. The swing trainer will be

1231
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:37,639
out in a couple of months, and then the a

1232
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:40,719
couple of other gizmos under wraps for now. So yeah,

1233
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,119
always always tinker, and this is it, man, This is

1234
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:46,800
my you're looking at me on this on this recording

1235
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000
we're making. But this is my tinker space and I've

1236
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,400
got a little workbench in another area that I do stuff,

1237
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,639
and I've I've had a great friend to George Goebels's name.

1238
01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,000
He's kind of like my industrial designer that he's helped

1239
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:01,880
with a lot of stuff and that was purely by

1240
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,159
accident because he was a maniacal inventor as well, and

1241
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:07,400
he's done a lot of work for me over the years.

1242
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,679
Is because I'm too busy coaching, I kind of throw

1243
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,320
it in his lap and I enjoy seeing how he

1244
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:16,159
kind of takes my ideas and brings him to life,

1245
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:17,679
which is everybody needs one of those.

1246
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:21,679
Speaker 1: Were you always a tinkerer like that with ideas and

1247
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:24,280
inventions and things, or did they just with tours Striker

1248
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,000
came like, oh wait, you know, I.

1249
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:29,119
Speaker 2: Do tour Striker. Tour Striker was probably the third thing

1250
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,920
that I wanted to invent, but it's the first one

1251
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,239
I actually got to market. Now, you know, I owe

1252
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,880
the Vegas that of gratitude to Mama Striker, my wife

1253
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,920
Stacy Chuck Or she was the one like total belief

1254
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,280
like go let's do it. Let's you know, max out

1255
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,840
the credit card, get this done. You know where that's

1256
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,920
most people aren't getting that kind of support. Where my

1257
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,039
wife was like she believed to me one hundred percent

1258
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:53,519
anytime I have something like wild hair like that, She's like, yeah,

1259
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,079
let's go do it, you know, and it's it's been great.

1260
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: I have the same thing at home. And you know,

1261
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,960
when people reach out to me saying I've got this invention,

1262
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:06,280
I always ask them, you know, it's like because I'd

1263
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,440
love to leave my insurance selling job, and it's like,

1264
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,519
but but I've got this great new tea and I'm like, okay,

1265
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:17,800
So before you go any farther, Yeah, how's your support

1266
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,480
at home? Because if you hear the foot tapping or

1267
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:24,119
the fingers, you know, fingers going on the tabletop there,

1268
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,559
if you can hear that, don't don't even try it.

1269
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:32,239
Unless you get full supported home, it's not going to work.

1270
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,880
And I've had some pretty outrageous ideas myself over the years,

1271
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,000
and if it wasn't for my wife's support, they never

1272
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:40,679
would have flown.

1273
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear you. It's such a the best

1274
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:48,079
and most important decision I'll ever make is your mate period.

1275
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of a lot of reasons. So so when

1276
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,239
we're following you on YouTube, is that tour striker on

1277
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,400
YouTube or is it market truck and all your social

1278
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:04,000
media outlets, where do we find you? Yeah?

1279
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,519
Speaker 2: So Instagram's fun for me. I got to kick on Instagram.

1280
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:08,480
I feel like I'm a fifty six year old child.

1281
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,119
But Martin Chuck PGA is my Instagram. Tour Striker Golf

1282
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:14,760
is the business facing side, and then you know, the

1283
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,000
Martin Chuck PGA is me being silly and stupid. It's

1284
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,199
got a lot of content. The Tour Striker Golf is

1285
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:22,679
more golf specific videos and things. And then if you

1286
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,559
type in you know, Martin Chuck on YouTube, you'll you'll

1287
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:27,840
see my you know, I I think I don't know

1288
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,599
how many videos up there, and I'll tell you what it's.

1289
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,960
I think I got on YouTube in two thousand and six,

1290
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,280
and I haven't been great at it, to be honest.

1291
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,880
I'm I'm kind of getting more invested in it right now,

1292
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,960
but I'd be remiss if I didn't. You know, shut up.

1293
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:43,519
You know, I know we're going to close soon. But

1294
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:46,360
you know, two people that were massive for me in

1295
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,360
the golf business. Besides, my mentors are all past, but

1296
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,880
I'd say Justin Tupper revolution golf days back in the day.

1297
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,800
You know, he's the reason everybody knows me. And then

1298
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:59,119
the performance golf guys, you know Bricks and Albert and

1299
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:02,920
Donnie French, those guys, they're the you know, the they're

1300
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000
the bowl in the china shop of golf marketing. And

1301
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,960
then they believe in me. And you know, I've done

1302
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,079
a lot of video content together. That's why you skip

1303
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:13,800
all those ads of me, because they're constantly at using

1304
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,600
me as a you know, they've they've done a great

1305
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,560
job and helping me stay relevant to golfers out there.

1306
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,239
And what a blessing because I don't teach a primary

1307
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:25,000
tour player anymore. I mean, I teach dudes that look

1308
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:26,920
like you and me, and what you know, I like

1309
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:28,760
to stay in my bed at night and I get to,

1310
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,439
you know, spend time with my family. I don't have

1311
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,479
to cheat. I'm not on a plane Sunday at home

1312
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,039
on Thursday, which would suck. I'm sorry. Yeah, Master's Week

1313
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:39,119
wouldn't suck. But you know, you know, some other many

1314
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:41,840
many other tour events. I get to teach dudes, I

1315
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,359
get to more. I get to go in and teach

1316
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,720
fifteen new faces, some returning veterans, and have a blast.

1317
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,600
And it's twenty minutes from my house. So to that,

1318
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,560
I am massively grateful.

1319
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I am massively grateful for your friendship and

1320
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,399
your insights, because, as you know, there was not many

1321
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,560
people that I reached out to bring in the last

1322
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,560
five episodes leading up to one thousand. But I've always

1323
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,960
wanted to get you back on. I've always enjoyed our conversations,

1324
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,800
and I really appreciate you coming on and spending time

1325
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,119
with us again. Phenomenal.

1326
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,399
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do it sooner than four hundred episodes.