WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.480 I want to scope out sites for the Trump Hotel 2 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:06.599 for after we buy Greenland from Denmark. Right, ask not 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.480 what your country can do for you, ask what you 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:12.960 can do for your country. 5 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:17.519 Mister grbachaw tear down this wall. 6 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.120 It's the Ricorshy Podcast with Stephen Hayward, myself, James Lylyx 7 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:23.960 and who's back from Peru. 8 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:26.679 Why that'd be Rob b Loog. So let's have ourselves 9 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:27.239 a podcast. 10 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:30.920 It doesn't help matters when Primetime TV as Murphy Brown, 11 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:36.439 a character who supposedly epitomizes today's intelligent, highly paid compression 12 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:41.560 and mocking the importance of Bob's are baron child and 13 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.439 calling just another lifestyle choice. 14 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.840 Welcome everybody. This is the Ricorsy Podcast number seven hundred 15 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:56.479 and five. I'm James Lylyx in an overcast Minnesota, Minneapolis. 16 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.399 Although we still of course have great bursting pride having 17 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.799 made our point down the matt national stage with our 18 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.400 governor being the VEEP and the speech, and here to 19 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:07.480 discuss the rest of the convention perhaps and more interestingly 20 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.439 what the rest of the campaign might bring is Stephen 21 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.680 Hayward in California and Rob Long back from pilgrimage to 22 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.519 Machu Pico or Picho or. 23 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:19.719 The Amazon. 24 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.200 Actually the Amazon he went to the mountains. Well, hold 25 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:24.879 on a second, I thought you went to Peru. You're 26 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:26.719 telling me there's Amazon in Peru. 27 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:30.359 There's an Amazon everywhere, James. Amazon is a very long river. 28 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:32.200 That's all I can tell you. 29 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:33.760 Well, at the end of the podcast will tell what 30 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.760 Rob learned and in addition to the various tropical diseases, 31 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.079 that he picked up Teddy Roosevelt's style. But for now, 32 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:41.840 let's get to the meat, at the gist of the pith, 33 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.200 the marrow of the matter. You guys watched or didn't 34 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.519 or read the commentary or saw the snippets takeaways. 35 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.079 Stephen, I actually watched an awful lot of the convention. 36 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.000 I usually whew, you would, Yeah, I find kind of 37 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.120 tedious and wrote and all the rest of that. 38 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.920 I thought, again, just sort of analytically, they had a 39 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:02.760 pretty good convention. 40 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:04.439 I thought Knights two and three. 41 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.560 Were better than the last night. They had more energy 42 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.520 to them and laid out more ideas. I thought, Harrison, 43 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.479 her speech was not bad. I mean, how do we 44 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:16.120 judge her. We judge her on whether she's going to 45 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.960 start cackling or go off script and say something crazy, 46 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.599 but she delivered it well, and I thought there were 47 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.719 three interesting takeaways from it. 48 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.479 One is she after doing a lot of biography, which. 49 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.520 Kind of bored me, but I understand that's now the 50 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.520 mode for these people. She did say three things that 51 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.639 were interesting. One is she built up to a crescendo 52 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.360 where on abortion. Now she mischaracterized Trump and Republicans, but 53 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.800 that's par for the course. But she said they have 54 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:43.960 lost their minds. And she said that loudly and forcefully, 55 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.479 and the audience went nuts, And I thought that sort 56 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:48.960 of landed a blow, even though it's a low blow. 57 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.680 She said Trump is an unseerious person, but it'd be 58 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:56.599 serious to put him back in the White House. I 59 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:58.759 thought that was a good line, again from you know 60 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:02.599 what works in partisan red, because actually think Trump comes 61 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:04.800 across as unserrious. I mean, for all the reasons that 62 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.080 Rob and other critics have talked about forever, but I 63 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.520 think he is actually a pretty serious person in ways 64 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.240 that deeply threatened the you know, the establishment. 65 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:14.879 But if I can, if I can start right there, 66 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.919 how can he be simultaneously unseerious and a an authoritarian 67 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.080 threat that will demolish democracy? 68 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.719 Exactly exactly, Yeah, that's right. 69 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:25.039 The third point. 70 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.039 The third point is she took on the Israel question, 71 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:29.360 which I thought she'd simply avoid. 72 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.199 She said, Israel is a right to exist. 73 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:33.759 Uh. And she said that in the active voice and 74 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:35.080 will support them in other words. 75 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:35.319 Uh. 76 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.280 Nobody mentioned Israel in the whole convention up to that point, 77 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.520 with the partial exception of the hostage family that appeared 78 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.159 on the third night to saying we want our hostage 79 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:48.479 family members out. And I think the fear was that 80 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.039 there was going to be a demonstration or booing from 81 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:52.319 the floor of the convention. 82 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.479 Uh. And instead they weren't going to boo Kamala Harris. 83 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:58.400 But and then, but then she said we want to 84 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.680 have a cease fire and get the hostage out of Gaza. 85 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.319 And so she tried to give a bone to the 86 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:05.000 pro Homaqus democrats. 87 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.159 But I was surprised she went there at all. 88 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:10.960 And I supposed to say we should say good for her. 89 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.400 Rob Yeah. I mean, I think a couple of things 90 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:13.840 are happening. 91 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.040 One, I think that there's the I'm here's just a 92 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.920 secular view of this convention, right, This this convention shows 93 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.519 a new way of doing these conventions, right, So we 94 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:25.639 had a twenty two and we had no conventions basically, 95 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:27.959 and they're all weird and they're kind of crazy. Like 96 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.920 those conventions were bananas, like I remember Biden in the 97 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.480 cars or I don't know who's a Don Junior's new 98 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.360 wife screaming whatever her name. 99 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:37.639 Was, like just crazy stuff. 100 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:38.920 This one. 101 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.279 These two conventions were traditional, but I think that the 102 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.720 Democrats have reinvented it in a way that's really interesting. 103 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.480 For one thing, everyone was in the news was talking 104 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.040 about how all these things went on long, too long, 105 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.519 They went on too long, they wanted too long, but 106 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.439 they didn't really because twenty million people watched it last night. 107 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.079 But those are twenty million people except for Steve, who 108 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.759 you know, were this is fan service. You know, they 109 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.560 want to see there, they want to see their guys speak. 110 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:04.959 The rest of it's going to be split up and 111 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.519 chopped up and sent out in sound bites and video 112 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.839 bytes across social media for the next month. 113 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:10.519 You know. 114 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.759 Basically, this is a content farm for them in a 115 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.920 way that no convention before now has really been. So 116 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.079 that's sort of interesting, and I think that's going to 117 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.240 be probably the way these things are going to go 118 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.519 from now on, even if she's unsuccessful, if she shouln't win. 119 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:25.920 It felt like, okay, this is a new way with 120 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:30.839 these these events. Even things like the role call, right, 121 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.639 the DNC role call, which people loved or hated or 122 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.199 whatever they thought. The point of the role call is 123 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.639 that that little role call snippet which used to be 124 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:40.000 I mean, it's one of my favorite parts of all 125 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:40.560 these conventions. 126 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:42.240 You know, the guy in the funny hats, Idaho of 127 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.759 the Potato State, all that stuff. 128 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.920 Now it's going to be split up and it can 129 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.800 be targeted Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, however you want to target 130 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:51.720 it two people. 131 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.240 Who live in that area. 132 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.040 It's a boost, it's a local booster pride thing. And 133 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.720 I guarantee you in twenty twenty eight we're going to 134 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.000 see both these parties do this, if both these parties 135 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.040 exist in twenty twenty eight, which I hope they don't, 136 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.680 but if they, if they do, whoever's having a convention, 137 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.560 this will be the convention. So I think that's like 138 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.600 the secular thing is like, okay, we say, seeing some 139 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.639 new stuff. The second thing that I think is new 140 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:20.639 here is that for better, for worse, there was no 141 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.680 primary Democratic primary effectively, And. 142 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:27.360 If you were. 143 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.759 A donor to these things, or you're a strategist to 144 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:37.360 these things, you're wondering why we spend hundreds and hundreds 145 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.839 of millions of dollars running primaries that start. You know, 146 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:45.720 the twenty twenty eight primary presidential primary is going to 147 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.519 start in January of twenty twenty five, basically, right, anyse 148 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.759 things start so soon, why do we may not need 149 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:54.079 to do that. This was a pretty good convention. It 150 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.240 didn't look like they threw it together. It didn't look 151 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.439 like they put it all together the last minute. It 152 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.360 looked like this thing had been playing. There was a 153 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.079 plan behind it, which I mean, I don't know that 154 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.360 would be surprising for the Democratic Party right if to 155 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.959 have an actual organized adventure. But so, I mean, so 156 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.800 those are my secular takeaways that I think that we're 157 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:13.040 looking at a new way of doing these things. And 158 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:18.199 then my more political pundit takeaway is that is essentially 159 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.839 the message that in a crazy way, Kamala Harris is 160 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.879 getting away with change versus more of the same, and 161 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.360 change versus more of the same is a winning American 162 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.079 political argument. 163 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.600 Mostly except she's on two sides of that argument, she's 164 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.439 like to be right by the way of it, right. 165 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.759 I mean, you mentioned Rob that Gusha just looks like 166 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.600 it was planned. One little detail that I found amusing 167 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.680 is that the Democratic platform in several places referred to 168 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.680 Joe Biden's second term. They didn't go back and edit 169 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:57.360 that right to reflect on the updated news. One other 170 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.639 detail that I'm sure James noticed. They made a big 171 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:04.879 deal about having mobile clinics outside the convention hall to 172 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.319 provide abortions and maas sectomies, and they're apparently fully booked. 173 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.959 I'm wondering how soon maybe the next convention four years 174 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.720 from now, Democrats will also offer and I'm not entirely 175 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.040 joking here, assistant suicide vans. I seem to me that's 176 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.680 the next logical step, and the sort of Democrats ethos 177 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:21.759 about these things. 178 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.199 Only if you are able to cast your vote before 179 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.040 you write, you know, yeah, so they can extend the voting. 180 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:29.000 Period where you can get that in. 181 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.000 I mean, I think that they'll have those outside the 182 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.519 Republican convention, right. 183 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.440 Well, I was looking at what Barack Obama was saying, 184 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:40.720 looking at it, not listening to it. 185 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.240 You know, he's a good speaker. 186 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:47.120 And everybody loves him and has a great swelling of the. 187 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:48.120 Breast when he speaks. 188 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.720 But it was very it's it's the rhetoric is not surprising, 189 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:55.840 it's normal. But one of our commentators contributors at Ricochet, 190 00:08:55.840 --> 00:09:00.399 doctor Bastiat, was noting that a quoting actually is Johnson, 191 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:00.759 so this. 192 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.279 Is going back like three different levels. 193 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:05.120 He said that Barack Obama said, we have a broader 194 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.159 idea of freedom than the right. So we're casting the 195 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.159 Democrats now as the party of freedom liberation. We believe 196 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:15.039 in the freedom to provide for your family if you're 197 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:19.639 willing to work hard, okay, and the right does not, apparently, 198 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.720 So since he's making the distinction the freedom to breathe 199 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.240 clean air and drink clean water, well well well, well, well, 200 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.200 I mean, if you want to be one of those guys, 201 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.519 you can say, actually, these are not rights. They're not rights, 202 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.320 you know, because it's not in the Constitution. It's not 203 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.000 a right. It's a good thing. But the left often 204 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.120 conflates good things with rights. If something is good, then 205 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.279 it ought to be a right. But the way these 206 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.320 things are phrased is typical, and they get away with 207 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.240 it all the time. And I suppose the right does 208 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.320 in its own way too. But to say that, well, 209 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.000 we believe in the freedom to drink clean water and 210 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:57.360 breathe clean air, when actually, sometimes how this manifests itself 211 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:58.840 in the last twenty thirty years is saying we're going 212 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:00.720 to make an incremental dim unition and the amount of 213 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.600 particulates in the air here, and you will have virtually 214 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.039 no impact whatsoever on public health, but it will cost 215 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.559 billions of dollars in compliance. But we're going to do 216 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:10.480 it because we're the EPA, and we've solved all the 217 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.399 big things. Now we're just cleaning up the little ones. 218 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.279 And since we're pre Chevron, we can do what we want, Nana, 219 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.559 n And if you object it to any of those things, 220 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.679 you are objecting to the very notion of clean air 221 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.759 and clean water. And you want to pitch this country 222 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.000 back to a place when arsenic is pumped into the rivers, 223 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.879 we're set on fire and great smokestacks belch out as 224 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:30.279 best as to blanket the country. 225 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.519 And that's just, I mean, it's just it's banal, is 226 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.200 what it is. It's absolutely banal. 227 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:41.240 We believe in the true freedom in how we worship, 228 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.919 what our family looks like how many kids we have? Yeah, 229 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.720 the other side is really going hammer and tongs about 230 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.440 your inability to worship. 231 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.399 It all comes down to what we're also saying. 232 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.679 Walt's pounding the table and saying in Minnesota we say 233 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.960 mind your own damn business. This is when it comes 234 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:02.960 to shape correct thought in the twenty first century. Which 235 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.480 party actually is more interested in invasive techniques to get 236 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:08.720 you to believe a certain set of ideas or be 237 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.039 cast out of polite society. 238 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.399 Yeah, well, I don't know what to rep hold of 239 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:13.840 their jeams. 240 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:15.840 There was a whole lot. It was a cornucopy of. 241 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.039 Uhh up for two all right, and well two quick 242 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:21.480 comments and then a question for Rob. 243 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:23.200 I think we've got him back. He's been having some 244 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:23.919 technical the. 245 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.200 Yeah, I was talking and he just figured I can 246 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:26.600 skip this. 247 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.759 But it heart so I always say that the ep 248 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.200 and there's data for this, but the one sentence summary 249 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.919 is the EPA specializes in billion dollar solutions to million 250 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.279 dollar problems. That's been that way at the beginning. But 251 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.200 then the question of rights. I mean, this is something 252 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.000 that I spend hours and even weeks with students trying 253 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.879 to make them understand and I mean, there's a lot 254 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.240 to go through. But one razor, like I say, Haybridge razor, 255 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.399 if you want to use it, is something is a 256 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:54.840 right if it requires nothing from the government. You know, 257 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.799 don't infringe on your free speech, don't infringe on your 258 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:58.600 right to own a gun. 259 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:00.679 They process. 260 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.559 If a right requires the government to transfer resources from 261 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.039 you and me to a third party, that's not a right. 262 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.080 We're confusing ends and means protecting our rights or the 263 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.639 ends of government things like healthcare, education. Those are good things, 264 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:18.159 but those are means to an end. But that confusion 265 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.759 is delivered as you point out, what question for you? 266 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:21.200 Rob. 267 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.320 One last thing on the convention, we kept hearing all 268 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.360 night that Beyonce was going to show up. Yeah, and 269 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.039 she didn't. I'm wondering if this was a bait and 270 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.240 switch by the Democrats to keep people watching. But I 271 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.039 thought when I heard that she might come, I thought, 272 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:36.960 that's a terrible idea because she's such a megastar. Then, 273 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.159 no matter how good Kamela was, Beyonce's appearance would be 274 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.039 the headline and would overshadow Kamla. So I never thought 275 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:44.759 she was going to show up, isn't it. I mean 276 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.720 I'm asking you as a show business person. Wasn't the 277 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.000 Beyonce idea really a bad idea for. 278 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.080 A terrible idea? If she showed up, my god, they'd 279 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:52.879 be the worst. But also, I mean, I think it'd 280 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.240 be bad for Beyonce. I always say of the same thing. Look, 281 00:12:55.360 --> 00:13:00.799 I mean, at best, Kamala Harris just everything. You know, 282 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.200 she seems pretty lucky. She's on her roll, So let's 283 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.159 just give her the give her the luck of the 284 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.440 dice here, and she's got eight years of you know, 285 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.919 the White House eight So we're talking about twenty thirty two, 286 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:15.840 twenty thirty three when she leaves. 287 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:18.279 I know that seems like a long long way away, 288 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:18.879 but it's really. 289 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:24.240 Not right Beyonce. Beyonce is here for a long time. 290 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:29.159 Beyonce's got a much longer span that she can be 291 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.600 part of for a while. So why would she get 292 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:36.360 that close to a candidate like that? That's always the mistake. 293 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.240 I mean, I think that's partly the conundrum that Fox 294 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.360 News finds itself in, as they got very close to 295 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.320 a specific candidate, and you know, even at the best, 296 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:49.360 this candidate had eight years at most of relevancy that 297 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.120 this guy managed to make twelve years maybe at best, 298 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.960 but you know you don't want to do that. You're 299 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.159 even for the long term. So you know, I understand 300 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.480 why they may want a appearance with Beyonce, and they 301 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.320 may want the Taylor Swift Beyonce endorsement, and they may 302 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:09.039 get it, but I don't think. 303 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:12.559 I don't think it's it's a. 304 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:16.120 Good idea, and especially when everyone is whoever's watching it, 305 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:17.919 you know, they're twenty million people watching it last night, 306 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.080 and their real question was can I it is a 307 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.080 casting issue, right, I'm going to cast this person as 308 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.480 the president? Do I want to hear this noise for 309 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.240 four years? And you don't want any other noise there? 310 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:31.879 You want to you want to be a really clear, 311 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.879 clear argument. And also like if you'r Beyonce's like, I 312 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.960 don't know, like it's you. It's the Dolly parton questions 313 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.360 like I got millions and millions and millions of fans. 314 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:43.759 Some of them are going to vote for Trump, some 315 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:45.840 of them vote for Kamla, Like why would I want 316 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:46.840 to make them make a choice. 317 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:48.720 Well, that was Michael Jordan's famous line. 318 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.080 I was he said, I want to sell shoes to 319 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.759 Republicans too, when Democrats would try and get him. 320 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:55.360 Off the sidelines, right, yeah, right. 321 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:56.480 I know. 322 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.840 That's what I thought was interesting, was that. 323 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:02.399 And maybe you guys talked about this when I was 324 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.960 trying to reconnect, But there was there a period there 325 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.960 where I had to remind myself that Donald Trump is 326 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.759 not the current president of the United States. Like there 327 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.559 was a lot of time where I thought, wait a minute, 328 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:16.840 Like I think they even slipped up and said, you know, 329 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.440 the past four years something like that, they're running against 330 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.799 Trump in a way that I mean, maybe it'll work. 331 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:24.240 But I did have to remind I mean, even I 332 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.919 was watching things, Oh oh yeah, wait, wait, Biden's president. 333 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.399 Biden is the great ghost. He's disappeared. It's almost as 334 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:32.440 if the past four years you're not voting on the 335 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.840 past four years, that is, if they get away with it. 336 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.159 Really smart, they're asking for the past four years I've 337 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.519 been great, right, Yeah, they're asking. 338 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.639 For a mull again. Is what's really happening right now? 339 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.919 Yeah, we are promising continuity, the best kind of continuity, 340 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.919 the kind that comes with an absolute clean break. I 341 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:53.840 mean right, so so yes, so nothing so, I mean, yeah, 342 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.440 she's in a difficult position. I mean, she can talk 343 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.360 about the parallel stage that the country is in and 344 00:15:58.360 --> 00:15:59.840 how she's going to fix it, but you can't really 345 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:01.679 do that because you look at who's been there, so 346 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.519 you point to the boogeyman who's going to come and 347 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.759 destroy the precious freedom. And the experiment that we have 348 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:08.960 is I can't remember the particular words of the poet 349 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:11.639 laureate who came out and had a word sellid about that, 350 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.679 but as usual, everything is on the line, and it's 351 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:17.360 the most consequential election of our lifetime, et cetera. 352 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:18.279 Et cetera, et cetera. 353 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:20.399 When you start to get into some of the policy 354 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:23.759 details that she has signed on to, though, A, they're 355 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.559 irrelevant because this is a vibe election, hot brat summer 356 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.480 and all that joy I know. 357 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:29.480 That sens basically it. 358 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.559 People want to go into the booth dancing and come 359 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.879 out thinking they've performed a historical event. You find things 360 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.960 like what I loved was the and Stephen, perhaps you 361 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:40.559 know the particulars on this better than I do. 362 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.639 The tax on unrealized capital gains. 363 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:46.960 Now, if you want to make somebody's eyes glaze over, 364 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.080 talk about that. And if you want to make somebody 365 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:53.799 angry on the left, you mention, you defend the person 366 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.320 with an awful lot of money from having to pay 367 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.240 unrealized capital gains. Somebody once said that the problem with 368 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.720 Americans is that the vote as though one day they're 369 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.119 going to be rich. And I don't think that's a 370 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.440 good way to character characterize it. I think it's twofold. 371 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.039 It's one, there's an essential sense, there's or three there's fairness. 372 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:15.079 Is this a fair Is this a fair thing to 373 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.240 do to somebody simply because they make more money than me. 374 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.359 Everybody believes in progressive income tax, you know, would say yes, 375 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.200 because they believe in laws that affect people differently based 376 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:28.720 on how much property you have, which is another issue. Two, 377 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.319 you have the idea that just because it starts out 378 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.319 with a billionaires up there, experience has told us that, 379 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.400 you know, some of these things, some of these powers 380 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.480 the government grant itself, they do tend to trickle down, 381 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.000 shall we say, until eventually everybody is under the same yoke. 382 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.599 And then the third point about these things would be 383 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.000 that I forget what it was having said the first 384 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.160 two points. So maybe if you could grapple with those, oh, 385 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.720 just the economic consequences of what this means. I mean, 386 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.720 it's absolutely ludicrous to say to somebody, we're going to 387 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:02.759 tax you on money that does not exist, that hasn't 388 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:04.720 been made, that's just floating out there theoretically. 389 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:06.759 Yeah, and it just goes to show. 390 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:10.160 That, you know, we had here in the city of Minneapolis, 391 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.400 they're proposing an eight percent property tax increase and a 392 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.720 lot of people are looking around and saying, Okay. 393 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.079 Well, I guess I'll do my share. But what do 394 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:19.799 you guys cut from the budget? Then you didn't. 395 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:24.559 Yeah, nothing, There wasn't a single thing you could touch. 396 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.839 The idea that we are all just self healing pinatas 397 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.039 that every year we heal and fill ourselves with candy again, 398 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.079 so they can take a bigger bat and a bigger chunk. Anyway, 399 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:37.640 So do you think that, I mean, I don't think 400 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.160 this is a campaign is issue at all. It's illustrative 401 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.640