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Speaker 1: I want to scope out sites for the Trump Hotel

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for after we buy Greenland from Denmark. Right, ask not

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what your country can do for you, ask what you

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can do for your country.

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Speaker 2: Mister grbachaw tear down this wall.

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Speaker 3: It's the Ricorshy Podcast with Stephen Hayward, myself, James Lylyx

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and who's back from Peru.

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Speaker 4: Why that'd be Rob b Loog. So let's have ourselves

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a podcast.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't help matters when Primetime TV as Murphy Brown,

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a character who supposedly epitomizes today's intelligent, highly paid compression

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and mocking the importance of Bob's are baron child and

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calling just another lifestyle choice.

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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. This is the Ricorsy Podcast number seven hundred

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and five. I'm James Lylyx in an overcast Minnesota, Minneapolis.

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Although we still of course have great bursting pride having

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made our point down the matt national stage with our

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governor being the VEEP and the speech, and here to

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discuss the rest of the convention perhaps and more interestingly

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what the rest of the campaign might bring is Stephen

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Hayward in California and Rob Long back from pilgrimage to

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Machu Pico or Picho or.

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Speaker 4: The Amazon.

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Speaker 3: Actually the Amazon he went to the mountains. Well, hold

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on a second, I thought you went to Peru. You're

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telling me there's Amazon in Peru.

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Speaker 6: There's an Amazon everywhere, James. Amazon is a very long river.

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That's all I can tell you.

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Speaker 3: Well, at the end of the podcast will tell what

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Rob learned and in addition to the various tropical diseases,

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that he picked up Teddy Roosevelt's style. But for now,

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let's get to the meat, at the gist of the pith,

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the marrow of the matter. You guys watched or didn't

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or read the commentary or saw the snippets takeaways.

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Speaker 2: Stephen, I actually watched an awful lot of the convention.

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I usually whew, you would, Yeah, I find kind of

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tedious and wrote and all the rest of that.

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Speaker 1: I thought, again, just sort of analytically, they had a

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pretty good convention.

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Speaker 2: I thought Knights two and three.

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Speaker 1: Were better than the last night. They had more energy

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to them and laid out more ideas. I thought, Harrison,

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her speech was not bad. I mean, how do we

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judge her. We judge her on whether she's going to

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start cackling or go off script and say something crazy,

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but she delivered it well, and I thought there were

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three interesting takeaways from it.

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Speaker 2: One is she after doing a lot of biography, which.

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Speaker 1: Kind of bored me, but I understand that's now the

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mode for these people. She did say three things that

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were interesting. One is she built up to a crescendo

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where on abortion. Now she mischaracterized Trump and Republicans, but

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that's par for the course. But she said they have

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lost their minds. And she said that loudly and forcefully,

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and the audience went nuts, And I thought that sort

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of landed a blow, even though it's a low blow.

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She said Trump is an unseerious person, but it'd be

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serious to put him back in the White House. I

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thought that was a good line, again from you know

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what works in partisan red, because actually think Trump comes

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across as unserrious. I mean, for all the reasons that

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Rob and other critics have talked about forever, but I

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think he is actually a pretty serious person in ways

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that deeply threatened the you know, the establishment.

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Speaker 3: But if I can, if I can start right there,

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how can he be simultaneously unseerious and a an authoritarian

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threat that will demolish democracy?

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: The third point.

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Speaker 1: The third point is she took on the Israel question,

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which I thought she'd simply avoid.

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Speaker 2: She said, Israel is a right to exist.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And she said that in the active voice and

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will support them in other words.

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Speaker 1: Nobody mentioned Israel in the whole convention up to that point,

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with the partial exception of the hostage family that appeared

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on the third night to saying we want our hostage

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family members out. And I think the fear was that

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there was going to be a demonstration or booing from

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the floor of the convention.

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Speaker 2: Uh. And instead they weren't going to boo Kamala Harris.

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have a cease fire and get the hostage out of Gaza.

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Speaker 2: But I was surprised she went there at all.

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Speaker 1: And I supposed to say we should say good for her.

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Speaker 4: Rob Yeah. I mean, I think a couple of things

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secular view of this convention, right, This this convention shows

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a new way of doing these conventions, right, So we

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and they're all weird and they're kind of crazy. Like

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those conventions were bananas, like I remember Biden in the

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cars or I don't know who's a Don Junior's new

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wife screaming whatever her name.

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Speaker 4: Was, like just crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: This one.

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Speaker 6: These two conventions were traditional, but I think that the

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Democrats have reinvented it in a way that's really interesting.

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they didn't really because twenty million people watched it last night.

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you know, were this is fan service. You know, they

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want to see there, they want to see their guys speak.

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Speaker 6: Basically, this is a content farm for them in a

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be probably the way these things are going to go

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from now on, even if she's unsuccessful, if she shouln't win.

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these these events. Even things like the role call, right,

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the DNC role call, which people loved or hated or

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whatever they thought. The point of the role call is

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that that little role call snippet which used to be

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Speaker 4: You know, the guy in the funny hats, Idaho of

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the Potato State, all that stuff.

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Speaker 6: Now it's going to be split up and it can

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be targeted Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, however you want to target

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Speaker 4: Who live in that area.

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Speaker 6: It's a boost, it's a local booster pride thing. And

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see both these parties do this, if both these parties

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exist in twenty twenty eight, which I hope they don't,

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but if they, if they do, whoever's having a convention,

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this will be the convention. So I think that's like

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primary Democratic primary effectively, And.

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Speaker 4: If you were.

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Speaker 6: A donor to these things, or you're a strategist to

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these things, you're wondering why we spend hundreds and hundreds

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start in January of twenty twenty five, basically, right, anyse

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things start so soon, why do we may not need

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to do that. This was a pretty good convention. It

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didn't look like they threw it together. It didn't look

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plan behind it, which I mean, I don't know that

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would be surprising for the Democratic Party right if to

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have an actual organized adventure. But so, I mean, so

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then my more political pundit takeaway is that is essentially

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the message that in a crazy way, Kamala Harris is

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getting away with change versus more of the same, and

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change versus more of the same is a winning American

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political argument.

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Speaker 2: Mostly except she's on two sides of that argument, she's

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like to be right by the way of it, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned Rob that Gusha just looks like

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it was planned. One little detail that I found amusing

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is that the Democratic platform in several places referred to

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Joe Biden's second term. They didn't go back and edit

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that right to reflect on the updated news. One other

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deal about having mobile clinics outside the convention hall to

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provide abortions and maas sectomies, and they're apparently fully booked.

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I'm wondering how soon maybe the next convention four years

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from now, Democrats will also offer and I'm not entirely

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joking here, assistant suicide vans. I seem to me that's

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the next logical step, and the sort of Democrats ethos

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Speaker 3: Only if you are able to cast your vote before

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you write, you know, yeah, so they can extend the voting.

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Speaker 4: Period where you can get that in.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that they'll have those outside the

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Republican convention, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was looking at what Barack Obama was saying,

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looking at it, not listening to it.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's a good speaker.

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Speaker 3: And everybody loves him and has a great swelling of the.

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Speaker 4: Breast when he speaks.

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Speaker 3: But it was very it's it's the rhetoric is not surprising,

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it's normal. But one of our commentators contributors at Ricochet,

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doctor Bastiat, was noting that a quoting actually is Johnson,

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Speaker 4: Is going back like three different levels.

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Speaker 3: He said that Barack Obama said, we have a broader

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idea of freedom than the right. So we're casting the

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Democrats now as the party of freedom liberation. We believe

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in the freedom to provide for your family if you're

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willing to work hard, okay, and the right does not, apparently,

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clean air and drink clean water, well well well, well, well,

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you know, because it's not in the Constitution. It's not

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a right. It's a good thing. But the left often

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conflates good things with rights. If something is good, then

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it ought to be a right. But the way these

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it all the time. And I suppose the right does

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we believe in the freedom to drink clean water and

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breathe clean air, when actually, sometimes how this manifests itself

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in the last twenty thirty years is saying we're going

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no impact whatsoever on public health, but it will cost

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billions of dollars in compliance. But we're going to do

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it because we're the EPA, and we've solved all the

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big things. Now we're just cleaning up the little ones.

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you are objecting to the very notion of clean air

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and clean water. And you want to pitch this country

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back to a place when arsenic is pumped into the rivers,

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we're set on fire and great smokestacks belch out as

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Speaker 4: And that's just, I mean, it's just it's banal, is

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what it is. It's absolutely banal.

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Speaker 3: We believe in the true freedom in how we worship,

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the other side is really going hammer and tongs about

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Speaker 4: It all comes down to what we're also saying.

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Speaker 3: Walt's pounding the table and saying in Minnesota we say

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mind your own damn business. This is when it comes

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to shape correct thought in the twenty first century. Which

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party actually is more interested in invasive techniques to get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know what to rep hold of

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Speaker 2: There was a whole lot. It was a cornucopy of.

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Speaker 1: Uhh up for two all right, and well two quick

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comments and then a question for Rob.

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Speaker 2: I think we've got him back. He's been having some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking and he just figured I can

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skip this.

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Speaker 1: But it heart so I always say that the ep

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and there's data for this, but the one sentence summary

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is the EPA specializes in billion dollar solutions to million

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dollar problems. That's been that way at the beginning. But

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then the question of rights. I mean, this is something

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that I spend hours and even weeks with students trying

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to make them understand and I mean, there's a lot

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to go through. But one razor, like I say, Haybridge razor,

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if you want to use it, is something is a

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right if it requires nothing from the government. You know,

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don't infringe on your free speech, don't infringe on your

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right to own a gun.

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Speaker 2: They process.

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Speaker 1: If a right requires the government to transfer resources from

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you and me to a third party, that's not a right.

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We're confusing ends and means protecting our rights or the

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ends of government things like healthcare, education. Those are good things,

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but those are means to an end. But that confusion

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is delivered as you point out, what question for you?

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Speaker 2: Rob.

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Speaker 1: One last thing on the convention, we kept hearing all

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night that Beyonce was going to show up. Yeah, and

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she didn't. I'm wondering if this was a bait and

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switch by the Democrats to keep people watching. But I

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thought when I heard that she might come, I thought,

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that's a terrible idea because she's such a megastar. Then,

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no matter how good Kamela was, Beyonce's appearance would be

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the headline and would overshadow Kamla. So I never thought

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she was going to show up, isn't it. I mean

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Beyonce idea really a bad idea for.

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Speaker 6: A terrible idea? If she showed up, my god, they'd

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be the worst. But also, I mean, I think it'd

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be bad for Beyonce. I always say of the same thing. Look,

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I mean, at best, Kamala Harris just everything. You know,

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she seems pretty lucky. She's on her roll, So let's

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just give her the give her the luck of the

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dice here, and she's got eight years of you know,

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the White House eight So we're talking about twenty thirty two,

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twenty thirty three when she leaves.

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Speaker 4: I know that seems like a long long way away,

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but it's really.

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Speaker 6: Not right Beyonce. Beyonce is here for a long time.

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Beyonce's got a much longer span that she can be

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part of for a while. So why would she get

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that close to a candidate like that? That's always the mistake.

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a specific candidate, and you know, even at the best,

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this candidate had eight years at most of relevancy that

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this guy managed to make twelve years maybe at best,

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but you know you don't want to do that. You're

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even for the long term. So you know, I understand

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why they may want a appearance with Beyonce, and they

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may want the Taylor Swift Beyonce endorsement, and they may

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get it, but I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's it's a.

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Speaker 6: Good idea, and especially when everyone is whoever's watching it,

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you know, they're twenty million people watching it last night,

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and their real question was can I it is a

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casting issue, right, I'm going to cast this person as

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the president? Do I want to hear this noise for

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four years? And you don't want any other noise there?

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You want to you want to be a really clear,

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clear argument. And also like if you'r Beyonce's like, I

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don't know, like it's you. It's the Dolly parton questions

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like I got millions and millions and millions of fans.

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Some of them are going to vote for Trump, some

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of them vote for Kamla, Like why would I want

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to make them make a choice.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was Michael Jordan's famous line.

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Speaker 1: I was he said, I want to sell shoes to

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Republicans too, when Democrats would try and get him.

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Speaker 2: Off the sidelines, right, yeah, right.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 4: That's what I thought was interesting, was that.

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Speaker 6: And maybe you guys talked about this when I was

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trying to reconnect, But there was there a period there

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where I had to remind myself that Donald Trump is

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not the current president of the United States. Like there

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was a lot of time where I thought, wait a minute,

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the past four years something like that, they're running against

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But I did have to remind I mean, even I

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was watching things, Oh oh yeah, wait, wait, Biden's president.

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Biden is the great ghost. He's disappeared. It's almost as

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if the past four years you're not voting on the

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past four years, that is, if they get away with it.

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Speaker 4: Really smart, they're asking for the past four years I've

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been great, right, Yeah, they're asking.

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Speaker 2: For a mull again. Is what's really happening right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are promising continuity, the best kind of continuity,

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the kind that comes with an absolute clean break. I

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mean right, so so yes, so nothing so, I mean, yeah,

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she's in a difficult position. I mean, she can talk

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about the parallel stage that the country is in and

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how she's going to fix it, but you can't really

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do that because you look at who's been there, so

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you point to the boogeyman who's going to come and

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destroy the precious freedom. And the experiment that we have

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is I can't remember the particular words of the poet

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laureate who came out and had a word sellid about that,

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but as usual, everything is on the line, and it's

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the most consequential election of our lifetime, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: When you start to get into some of the policy

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details that she has signed on to, though, A, they're

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irrelevant because this is a vibe election, hot brat summer

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and all that joy I know.

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Speaker 4: That sens basically it.

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Speaker 3: People want to go into the booth dancing and come

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out thinking they've performed a historical event. You find things

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like what I loved was the and Stephen, perhaps you

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know the particulars on this better than I do.

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Speaker 4: The tax on unrealized capital gains.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you want to make somebody's eyes glaze over,

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talk about that. And if you want to make somebody

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angry on the left, you mention, you defend the person

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with an awful lot of money from having to pay

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unrealized capital gains. Somebody once said that the problem with

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Americans is that the vote as though one day they're

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going to be rich. And I don't think that's a

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good way to character characterize it. I think it's twofold.

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It's one, there's an essential sense, there's or three there's fairness.

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Speaker 4: Is this a fair Is this a fair thing to

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do to somebody simply because they make more money than me.

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Speaker 3: Everybody believes in progressive income tax, you know, would say yes,

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because they believe in laws that affect people differently based

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on how much property you have, which is another issue. Two,

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you have the idea that just because it starts out

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with a billionaires up there, experience has told us that,

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you know, some of these things, some of these powers

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the government grant itself, they do tend to trickle down,

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shall we say, until eventually everybody is under the same yoke.

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And then the third point about these things would be

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that I forget what it was having said the first

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two points. So maybe if you could grapple with those, oh,

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just the economic consequences of what this means. I mean,

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it's absolutely ludicrous to say to somebody, we're going to

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tax you on money that does not exist, that hasn't

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been made, that's just floating out there theoretically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it just goes to show.

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Speaker 3: That, you know, we had here in the city of Minneapolis,

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they're proposing an eight percent property tax increase and a

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lot of people are looking around and saying, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess I'll do my share. But what do

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you guys cut from the budget? Then you didn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing, There wasn't a single thing you could touch.

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The idea that we are all just self healing pinatas

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that every year we heal and fill ourselves with candy again,

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so they can take a bigger bat and a bigger chunk. Anyway,

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So do you think that, I mean, I don't think

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this is a campaign is issue at all. It's illustrative

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to me, it's revelatory, but it's not going to mean anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've remain convinced that there isn't a

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mass appetite for a majority of voters for class warfare

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the way the progressive left has plated for generations now

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in other words, I think people are for fairness, but

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I think most people are for fairness the way you

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and I understand it. Consistent treatment, you know, not special favoritism,

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and not equity, which is the enforced equal outcomes.

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Speaker 2: So if you go back to you know, if you

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go all the way back.

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Speaker 1: To nineteen seventy two, and you remember George McGovern was

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running on not only his demogrant thousand dollars person handout,

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but he also ran explicitly on ninety nine percent inheritance

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tax rate he wanted. He called it confiscatory taxation. He

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actually used that phrase. He got to the California primary,

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and rob will know what's coming here. McGovern did best

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in the Democratic primary in Beverly Hills and bel Air,

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and he got crushed by Hubert Humphrey. You news kind

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of reactionary. He got crushed in Long Beach and Lejabra

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and the working class parts of the place. Real play

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because all those people. You said, the phrase jasus of James,

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is that a lot of voters they may not be rich,

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but they like to think that someday they will be well.

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Speaker 2: At the very least, they want to be able to

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pass along their house to their kids.

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Speaker 1: That's a bit and no one I mean, so the

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left says, last point, the left says, or Harris says, well,

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this will only be on the most the richest people,

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people who are billionaires or all the rest. No one

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trusts them about this. I mean, I think we understand

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that this is always a foot in the door, and

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the voracious greed of the left for your money will

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always make them extend the reach of those taxes down

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to everybody, because that's how it works.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, that's that's that's where the money is.

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I mean, the the what's strange to me, of course,

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is that there's like there there there is so much

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bizarre economic theory running around in the campaigns in general

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that no one's focusing on. As Steve said, this would

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have been a big this should be a big issue.

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But I also feel like ten percent tariffs across the

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board should be a big issue. A lot of these

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things should be big issues. That it makes me uncomfortable

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as an economic conservative that there's no economic conservative or

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the closest one is arguing for a trade war.

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are.

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Speaker 6: These are things that have to be worked out, and

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it'd be nice if well, you know, look, I'm might

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be nice if if Milton Friedman was around him to

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maybe maybe do some teaching, yes, because look, I mean,

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I you know, I shouldn't say this because this is

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such a weird year and everything, all predicts are weird,

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But it does feel to me like, whoever wins in November,

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this isn't pretty close to an issue free yeah campaign,

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And I think that was that, you know, that was

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a I think that's a mistake of the the Trump campaign.

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And so I was talking to some friends last night

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there's that moment I think, and I say this again,

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I've said I probably said it too much, so you

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can just tell me to shut up. But I think

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we're miss his team. And I think his supporters misread

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the the disastrous debate with Biden as a debate about

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how bad Biden was, which is true, but I don't

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think they really fully grasped how good Trump was in

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that debate. He was so good in that debate that

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if you were watching and I said that time, I said,

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I watched it with a bunch of like left wing

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public radio people and they were kept turning to me

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saying that was a good answer, right, That was a

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good answer, and a couple of said, you know, that

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was a really good answer on abortion he gave and

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it was a good answer on abortion.

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Speaker 4: It was a good answer.

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Speaker 6: And then he was passionate about crime that whoever that

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person is has gone probably will not come back. It

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was you know maybe, I mean, I mean that what

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I'm saying is that what they really thought was, this

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is not going to be this is going to be

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an easy issue campaign, because it's going to be one

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is two issues, maybe three if you need to, But

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one is Biden's old can't handle it, crime and immigration,

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and I think crime and integration for them were like, yeah,

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well if we have to get to it, we can

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get to it. But really it's going to be all

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about how this old man can't make it, and unfortunately

486
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for them, there's no more old man. So they're scrambling

487
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for a bunch of things, which and I don't understand

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why a week before Labor Day that's still doing it.

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I mean, these are actually, you know, this is not

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amateur hour for the Trump campaign. These are not They're

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not this is a not the twenty sixteen team. These

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are people who've got some road on them and know

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what they're doing and it doesn't feel like a winning

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campaign to me.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: We have another debate coming up, and it's going to

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be interesting because Harris has postulated he has posed herself

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now as being somebody who's going to be tough on

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immigration and tough on crime, and that brings up this question.

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I'm going to let each of you think of this

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for a second. Okay, let's say that the Democratic Party

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has realized that this is where the national mood is shifting.

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We're not about floating the cities with endless number of fakes,

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itlum seekers, and that even though you know the crime

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rates committed by a you know recent oh he'll just say,

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you know, people who are here illegally. That the crime

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rates may be the same as everybody else. But yeah,

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there's these low, high profile cases and they're really bad

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and makes everything look best. So we gotta do this

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thing about that, and we do have to get a

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handle on crime in the cities. We've got to drop

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the whole ACA B stuff that's twenty twenty never happened.

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We're going to retool because that's a path to electoral

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success and keeping power placating people by these issues. If

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indeed they are serious about this, is it is it

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worth to vote for them in favor of the guy

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who probably will have no power and influence when he

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gets in, or not as much as somebody who sweeps

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to my question then, guys, if they're serious about it,

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is it worth voting for? Is it worth Or to

573
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put it another way, is it okay to just kind

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of relax about a Harris presidency.

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Speaker 4: Because it might not be that bad. Maybe they might

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do these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the case for that, James, is this

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is an election.

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Speaker 1: Where you win by losing. And again a quick historical analogy.

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You know, Bill Clinton winning in ninety two turned out

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to be good for Republicans, Way Bush and sort of

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the staleness and led to the Republican takes cover of

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Congress that then was kind of enduring, right, and you've

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got to balance budget, and of course Clint to the center.

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, I think that even if.

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Speaker 1: Trump loses, it's likely in my mind where Republicans will

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take the Senate, perhaps narrowly, but I think they're going

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to take the Senate, and then we have gridlock. And

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as I always like to say, goodlock gridlock. Yes, yeah,

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gridlock is the next best thing to have in constitutional government.

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And you know they can block easy judge and all

592
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the rest of that.

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Speaker 2: That's a totally coj in view.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of Trump's skeptic friends who think

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that I disagree. I think winning is always better than losing.

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And even though you can take off all the defects

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of Trump personally and the fact he'd be laying duck

598
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,960
right away, I still think it's important that he's there

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to steady our foreign policy, where I think he's much

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stronger than Harrison. The Democrats appoint good judges. Boy, the

601
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Biden judges are really awful, and Harris's will be just

602
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as bad. And Republicans could block some of course, but

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still that's important business.

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Speaker 2: Uh And and I mean this isn't entirely a joke.

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Speaker 1: But we've got that wonderful Project twenty twenty five sitting

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there on the set.

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Speaker 2: Ready to rock and roll with.

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Speaker 3: Right, I've never heard of that. I have no idea

609
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what you're talking about. Seven pages of how to build

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camps with the people are going to put away?

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Speaker 4: Right? All right? Rob, I know that you think that

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winning by losing is preposterous. But Stephen makes a good point.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look, it's always hard people construct these

614
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incredibly complicated houses of cards. Yeah, from well, then you'll

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get this, and then that will happen, and this will happen.

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Speaker 4: Who knows?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think if there's a lesson in the

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last eight years, it's really who knows this. The electorate

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has entered, I think eight years ago a period of

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extreme volatility, and so a lot of the old things

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that we think are just natural aren't.

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Speaker 4: I don't really know. I don't, I don't. I think

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you have to.

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Speaker 6: This is one of the things you have to sort

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of balance what you what you think she's can really

626
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legitimately accomplish, what he can really legitimately accomplish, and decide

627
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whether you know the ven diagram or those things, and

628
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,599
I know she loves ven diagram where that points you,

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I don't, I don't really know. It does seem to

630
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me that I just I've said this for a while

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that the parties themselves, even after this pretty good solid DNC,

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which they did a good job, but they seem out

633
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of gas to me, and they seem like they're looking

634
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for a direction. And the irony is is that, you know,

635
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the direction for the Democrats is so obvious to win

636
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because in American politics, a conservative Democrat, especially a conservative

637
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Southern Democrat, is unstoppable. That is, Americans just general idea

638
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who the president should be, and they seem absolutely unable

639
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to do that because of course it's conservatives of the

640
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Democrat has a lot of like really really really really

641
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awful and objectable ideas like low taxes and probably pro

642
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life and a lot of other things you can't have.

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Speaker 4: Gonna say.

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Speaker 6: So someone's gonna have to sort it out, right, and

645
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someone's gonna have to, like, you know, break this log jam.

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Speaker 4: I mean, here here's a horrible.

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Speaker 6: Analogy that I I I I'm sorry if you're eating,

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stop eating, because here's my analogy that there was a

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peer period before you know, when when it was Trouphy Biden,

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there was this horrible kind of sense of like, I

651
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don't know, like that something isn't working, you know, And

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everybody said the same thing, really, every polster said the

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same thing, was like, really, if one of these parties

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replaced the top, that the name on the top with

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anybody else, almost anybody else, there would be an enormous

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unleashing of energy behind the New Canada. And you know,

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Democrats somehow kind of kind of did and kind of

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didn't do. They did a half assed job, as they

659
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usually do with these things. But it really does feel

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I think in terms of the political energy this.

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Speaker 4: Kind of.

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Speaker 6: Like the country political the politics of the country took

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a laxative and got rid of some stuff and kind

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of unblocked itself.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: I apologize for that, but I actually think it's the

667
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right context for these two candidates in this year, by

668
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the way, but it does feel like there's some it

669
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does feel like a different thing. So I suspect that

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if look, if she is capable of convincing two hundred

671
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and seventy whatever electoral votes, that she's a moderate Democrat,

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a moderate law and order Democrat.

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Speaker 4: Who's going to secure the border.

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Speaker 6: It is one of the great political feats in American politics.

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Speaker 3: I think the name, the name for the episode of

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this podcast is going to be gentle Overnight Action.

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Speaker 4: I'm in that general.

678
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, James that the prospect of

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camel as president is more like an anima election than lacks.

680
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Speaker 4: Of the election.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Rob, No, it's fine, that's fine. Remember it's

682
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a different time. I just want to say for the viewers,

683
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for the listeners at home. When I me I started

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describing that analogy, the look on Steve's face, well, I.

685
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Speaker 2: Was very afraid, Rob. I know, you're great.

686
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Speaker 1: Look just to pick one part there. Yes, they're playing

687
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up that she was a prosecutor. But of course this

688
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isn't a backdrop of where there's this backlash going on

689
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against the sort of Sorow's progressive prosecutors San Francisco throughout

690
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chesa boudin the LA voters are going to throw out

691
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George Gascone. And you know, it'll be a neat trick

692
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if she can disassociate herself from that kind of prosecutor

693
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that I think a lot of people have figured out.

694
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I mean, we'll see, maybe she'll pull it off, but

695
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it's going to be a neat trick if she does.

696
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And I think you're counting on the shortness of the calendar.

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I don't think you could sustain this if this was

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say February and she was the front runner and had

699
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to go all the way through the primaries and the

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summer into the fall. So it may, but it shouldn't

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on metaphysical grounds at least.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And also I think in the past, the the that

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profile of a Democrat, their task was when they were

705
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scooping up the primary votes was to act like they

706
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weren't that person. You know, you're think about Bill Clinton,

707
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even Barack Obama. You know, he had to be very liberal,

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and then when he ran, he ran, people voted for him.

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He got fifty three percent of popular vote because he

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seemed reasonable, right, Nobody expected Chae Wivara in the White

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House like we got by the way, and that was

712
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,519
a pretty good trick. But I think for her it's

713
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,039
going to be I can't imagine there's no bigger trick.

714
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:40,200
That's going to be the biggest trick.

715
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:41,079
Speaker 4: I can't.

716
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,119
Speaker 6: I can't think of a can if she succeeds, I

717
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,000
think I can't think of a candidate that lucky.

718
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary, it really is, especially when you consider that

719
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,400
for the last four years she's been regarded as a

720
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,279
sort of intellectual melody. And the spontaneous speeches of this, this,

721
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:04,039
these strange statements of the obvious, compounded by a rephrasing

722
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,599
of the statement of the obvious, indicates somebody who is

723
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:12,679
just not exactly I mean, not imbued with that, with

724
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,920
that that firing brain that is that is eager to

725
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,199
get out there and and talk spontaneous.

726
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,639
Speaker 4: About these issues. There's that doesn't seem to be a

727
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:21,760
lot of wonkery there.

728
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: But I am curious, since we're casting about fictional things,

729
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,360
I think she would have done if DeSantis was the

730
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,679
p I mean, everybody was saying, question, no, we need

731
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,159
to revitalize our campa, the GOP side by getting DeSantis

732
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,079
in there. How do you think it would look if

733
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:44,199
it was Harris versus Desantus I'm sorry, yeah, my wife's

734
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,679
name instead of the heaven or of Florida.

735
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it would be completely different because

736
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960
he is really good at boring in on the issues

737
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,239
and going on the attack, and in ways that Trump

738
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,880
is a little weak and inconsistent, right, and I think

739
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,760
he would make it impossible for her to repair behind

740
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,800
her generalities and joy and all.

741
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,639
Speaker 4: The rest of that.

742
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: That would also be seen as very unfair because this

743
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,119
isn't supposed to be these things.

744
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,159
Speaker 4: This is supposed to be about changing joy is in

745
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:11,400
a historic change.

746
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 6: But looking, yeah, God, but I'm saying, if you, if

747
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,360
you had any other can I mean, the problem isn't

748
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,000
I mean, I'm not speaking.

749
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:18,039
Speaker 4: It's not Trump specific.

750
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 6: So the Trump is an old name, he's an old man,

751
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,519
He's an old name, old news, new hope, and change works.

752
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,960
That's what Reagan ran on, and it actually works. You

753
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,960
just the change can be from the right as well

754
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920
as the left and desantists Nikki Haley I think would

755
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,199
be way ahead, just because she's new and different and

756
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,119
people seem to want they didn't they don't like the

757
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,719
choices they were given. And the Democrats kind of reheated

758
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,119
some leftovers and are now calling a Turkey tech razini.

759
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,920
Well you know what it is. And they're kind of like, oh, okay,

760
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,920
this is new and new and changy, new and changy,

761
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:51,920
and people seem to be you know, right now, the

762
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,679
momentum is they seem to be responding to that. And

763
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,320
what I think the Trump campaign has to hope is

764
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,360
that that that they take a big, deep look at

765
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,440
all of this and then at the end of September

766
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,360
recalibration which usually happens, although I don't know what usually happens,

767
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,000
is not really a phrase you want to use in

768
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,800
twenty twenty four that they're going to get there, They're

769
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,719
going to get the momentum back. That could happen, but

770
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:20,079
in American politics, it change versus more of the same

771
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,920
is a very winning argument. The idea that the sitting

772
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:28,639
vice president is making that is kind of crazy. But listen,

773
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,320
Terry Branstead, the governor of Iowa, right in Iowa, that's right. Yeah,

774
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:40,280
when he ran his sweeping statewide and won it handily

775
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,440
on change, change, and when he ran his reelect this

776
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,320
is true. His motto was re elect change, so it

777
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,000
can't happen.

778
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,079
Speaker 3: I remember in ninety two when Bill cli was at

779
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:58,679
the convention then and there were one of the buttons

780
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,880
that was being handed out showed a frazzled looking abstract

781
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,000
woman for the cat, probably in a box of wine,

782
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000
and the phrase the button said worried about everything.

783
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:14,599
Speaker 4: Vote Democrat, which and there were interviews you always had.

784
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:15,719
The word change.

785
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,599
Speaker 3: Mantra would appear in every single man in the Street

786
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:19,119
interview that you had, and of course the man in

787
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,519
the street interview, since you know, the convention was being

788
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:22,679
held at Madison Square Garden.

789
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,039
Speaker 4: It's the people who were pouring out of the subways.

790
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:27,079
Speaker 3: Below in the streets, and they'd always say the same thing, Well,

791
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,920
you don't change. I now think back, gentlemen, to nineteen

792
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:34,000
ninety two. I know you were both there, which apparently

793
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:36,679
was a dystopian hellscape the likes of which America had

794
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,960
never experienced before. We were the worst economy since the

795
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,719
Great Depression. Nothing worked anymore. I remember our newspaper where

796
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,679
I worked at the time, the Bureau and the New

797
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:48,840
House Bureau in Washington, d C.

798
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,039
Speaker 4: Commissioned a series on finding out what.

799
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: Exactly in America does still work? Things that sound very

800
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,880
common today, But in nineteen ninety two, when we cast

801
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,159
our eyes back in two, we do not think it

802
00:37:59,199 --> 00:37:59,719
was that bad.

803
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,599
Speaker 6: It really was, but they came a pause in the

804
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,840
greatest increase in wealth and prosperity.

805
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: In human history. I know it.

806
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 6: It breath catching it was of like, well, okay, now

807
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:14,599
we got we gotta we gotta put all that stuff in.

808
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,360
And people acted like, oh my god. The recession of

809
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,360
ninety ninety one. That was just devastating. People are living

810
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,480
selling apples on the street.

811
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: It's like, give me a break.

812
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you mean there was a you'll remember this, James.

813
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,000
I think maybe Bob. There was a huge best seller

814
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:30,960
around that time. It was the bar Let and Steel

815
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,719
book America What Went Wrong? And it was Bill Clinton

816
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,559
would hold that book up. That book was terrible. I mean,

817
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:41,000
it was superficial, wrong, inaccurate, but it was a huge

818
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,360
best seller. And you know, part of the failure there

819
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,760
was the Bush campaign never had its own narrative to

820
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800
fight back on it. They kept crossing their fingers and

821
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,000
hoping for better news and time and it didn't come.

822
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,639
Speaker 2: But look, I will give you this prediction about where

823
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:55,920
we're going from here. We can do counterfaction for the past.

824
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: But I think, regardless of who wins, Joe Biden's reputation

825
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,039
is going to circle the drain and go down the

826
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:03,599
drain over the next three four years.

827
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: First of all, I mean, if Trump wins, they're good.

828
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Democrats are going to be mad that Biden didn't step

829
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,239
aside a year and a half ago and let him

830
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,880
have a campaign to nominate a stronger person who.

831
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: Would have won.

832
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,199
Speaker 1: And if Harris wins, I think she'll be poorly. But

833
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,159
I think even if Harris wins and runs in lots

834
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,840
of trouble, as I expect will happen, everyone's going to

835
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,360
be mad at Biden for not dropping out, Democrats for

836
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,880
sticking them with somebody who's really not a very good president,

837
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Republicans who might have nominated a younger candidate if it

838
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,239
was an open Democratic field, so you might have had

839
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,760
the Santas versus I don't know Jos Shapiro, but you

840
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,280
can name a number of people and we would have

841
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,800
had that race that Rob has talked about with younger,

842
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,840
different people, and you still have all the basic polarized

843
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,199
politics we have, but it would be different than what

844
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,480
we have now, which is partly personality driven.

845
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's probably true. I also feel like.

846
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 6: If she wins, you know, it seems like, you know,

847
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,400
maybe it's fifty one, fifty two to forty eight percent

848
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,239
that she's going to and just say she wins, Like,

849
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,079
what do you do when you're the president. You every

850
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,119
problem you have you blame on your predecessor. It's going

851
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:11,119
to be NonStop from that administration. Boy, you guys have

852
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,920
no idea. How crow horrible? Well I'm here, I have

853
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:20,360
all this mess to clean up. The biggest trash mouth

854
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,960
you're going to get about the Biden administration is going

855
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,880
to be from the Harris administration. And you know, I

856
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,440
mean all those people running around before saying listen, I

857
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,599
love Joe Biden, I love Joe Biden. They Hey, nobody

858
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,960
loved Joe Biden. Right, they love Joe Biden. He would

859
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,239
have been If they love Joe Biden, he would have

860
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,679
run for president in twenty sixteen and one they love

861
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,119
Joe Biden, he would have been the nominee.

862
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:47,519
Speaker 4: Before nobody loved him. He was a true no.

863
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:53,639
Speaker 3: His transmutation into the gentle wise hero for those of

864
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,679
us who've been seeing him back in the days when

865
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,199
he had fewer follicles, is amusing. Well, you're right, tell

866
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:01,719
all books are going to be great, and they're going

867
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,239
to be written by the same people who are writing

868
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,159
stories about how Republicans are being mean, saying that Joe

869
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:08,119
Biden is not at his mental peak.

870
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 4: It'll be an instant flip and the advances will be good,

871
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,679
and they'll all be interviewed by the same Can.

872
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,079
Speaker 6: I tell quick campaign story about how sometimes you can

873
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,880
you get in the weeds in a campaign and you

874
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,079
kind of forget that it's these these are title.

875
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,679
Speaker 4: Issues sometimes that really the small things.

876
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 6: And I tell the story in the most recent issue,

877
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,119
the new issue of Commentary. But I don't think i've

878
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:34,320
told it on the story y nineteen ninety two. If

879
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,599
you're ancient, if you're you don't even have to be

880
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,480
as ancient and as old as Steve. But if you're

881
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,480
just simply you know, still spry like me, but you

882
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,199
have a memory. One of the biggest shows on TV

883
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,159
then was Murphy Brown and Murphy Brown, the character played

884
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:51,760
by Cannisberg and had in the show, had a baby

885
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,519
out of wedlock. She was sort of her first kid.

886
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,320
She was older. It was all a lot of things whatever.

887
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,559
And Dan Quayle was giving a speech. Dan Quayle was

888
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,000
the Vice President United States, just so remember who that was.

889
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,119
And he was given a speech which now if you

890
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,000
read it now, seems the most anna dyne, kind of

891
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,239
milk toasty speech.

892
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 4: Ever, it's like it's like if you took.

893
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 6: All of the you painted everything, jad Vance says in

894
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,480
past deels.

895
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,599
Speaker 4: But he was right.

896
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,079
Speaker 6: He said, the problem in America, our cultural problem, is

897
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,840
kids growing up without thought, and it's the breakup of

898
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,320
the family.

899
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,639
Speaker 4: He was right then. Daniel moynihan was right twenty years

900
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:26,519
before when he said it.

901
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:29,199
Speaker 6: It's still right. It's still exactly. It's the one thing

902
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,840
we need to fix and the one thing we can't

903
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,159
fix because the liberal progressive control over all of our dialogue.

904
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,119
Speaker 4: He was right, he said, and he referenced. He referends

905
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:39,679
Murphy Brown.

906
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 6: He's like, well Y's TV show, Murphy Brown, this character

907
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,559
is having a child out of wedlock. It's mocking the

908
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:48,679
importance of bathers, right, pandemonium. The Murphy Brown people were

909
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,880
all pro Democrat, all liberal, and they said, okay, this

910
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,199
had this happened in you know, he gave the speech

911
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,440
in May so that Murphy Brown was on hiatus. They

912
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,239
were preparing for the fall season, which was going to

913
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,480
be the election ball ninety two, and they were preparing

914
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Murphy Brown's response. So it's this weird thing where the

915
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,719
a sitcom character was going to respond to the sitting

916
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Vice president in real time basically, and they they did

917
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,519
the episode and the script was under wraps.

918
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: It was like no one read it.

919
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 6: They had they you had to sign an nda Is

920
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,840
to watch the show, and they burned all the scripts

921
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,199
like nobody was under nobody knew what she was going

922
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,400
to say until they aired it.

923
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,039
Speaker 4: Except somehow.

924
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,519
Speaker 6: One day someone gave me a copy of this embargod

925
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,519
script because like, you can't keep a secret in Hollywood, right,

926
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,639
And I'm like, what am I I do with this? Well,

927
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:41,760
it turns out I had a lot of friends in

928
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,880
the Bush campaign, so I just fed Exit to them.

929
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,360
I said, here, just a little preview. And then I

930
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,119
said to my assistant, who was on the right at

931
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:53,480
the time, a very staunch Republican, I said, you know what,

932
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,880
let's send one of these to Rush.

933
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,599
Speaker 4: So we fed ex it to.

934
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 6: Rush and the next day Rush gets it and he

935
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,039
starts the show and he says, I got this thing.

936
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,840
I know it's a trap. I know it's not real.

937
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,280
I don't know who this I sent it to me.

938
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,199
I've never heard of this guy. I know this is

939
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,400
not real. It's the Murphy Brown thing. And a friend

940
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,079
of mine, who is in fact I'm staying I'm a

941
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,880
house guest of theirs right now. She knows Rush.

942
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,679
Speaker 4: She calls him up on the air.

943
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 6: When he's on the air, she says, look, I don't

944
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,039
know who's sending to you, but if it's this guy,

945
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:37,239
it's real. And he starts reading the script, and I thought,

946
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,960
I have just re elected the president of the United States.

947
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,400
I have just done this incredible, sneaky political and I'm like,

948
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,880
I couldn't believe how great I am. And it had

949
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,239
zero effect on the outcome of that election.

950
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,639
Speaker 3: A I you know, I don't know what the original

951
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,840
script was, but I think they missed an opportunity for

952
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,639
Candice Bergen to give birth to Charlie McCarthy, which I

953
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:11,400
think splinters.

954
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,039
Speaker 2: I have two footnotes that story, which you may have heard. Rob.

955
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: One is apparently I heard it from Bill Crystal, who

956
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,880
remember it was Quayle's chief of staff.

957
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: They said they're on the plane.

958
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: Flying out to LA to give the speech, and Quayle

959
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,400
points to that line and says, you know, maybe I

960
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,519
should take out this line about Murphy Brown, and Crystal

961
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,199
says he told him, no, no, I'm sure no one will

962
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:33,119
pay any attention to it.

963
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: So see, but then.

964
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: More significantly than I mean, she your broader point. I

965
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,119
think it was two or three years later The Atlantic

966
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,880
Monthly did a cover story called dan Quayle was right,

967
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,559
and I said, what would you just said? Is actually

968
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,440
I don't remember it was Nick Layman or you know,

969
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:51,199
some sort of center liberal establishment figure said, actually Quail

970
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,920
was right. Of course he was out of office by then,

971
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,559
so it was costless. But still that was you know,

972
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,280
he was vindicated about it totally.

973
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: We're always right down the road.

974
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: It turns out the communists in the government, and it

975
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,800
turns out that dan Quayle was right. It turns out

976
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,079
it was morning in America. But they'll admit that that

977
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:06,719
was the case.

978
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,559
Speaker 4: Then now is.

979
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: Completely different, and that's why we have to upend the

980
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,320
yetch you sketch, give it a good shake, and start

981
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,280
with year zero. All right, guys, a couple more things

982
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,119
before we go here. One of them is, I know, Stephen,

983
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:18,920
you wanted to say something about RFK. One of the

984
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,119
more could have been, if he'd gotten a little bit

985
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,280
more oxygen, one of the more unique and peculiar political

986
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,559
candidates of this very much a twenty twenty four guy.

987
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
You know, you don't have things like leaving a bear

988
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,320
in the park on the list of things that you

989
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,079
expect Kennedy progeny to say, or.

990
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: Maybe you do.

991
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 3: I don't know is he going to vote for is

992
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,760
he gonna elect or he's going to throw his hat

993
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,119
in the Trump campaign or what?

994
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,519
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like it.

995
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: I had someone in the Kennedy campaign who I don't

996
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,719
know but is legit reach out to me here yesterday.

997
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,000
So that's a reader, it turns out, and he's one

998
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:54,960
of these conservatives who doesn't like Trump, and so he's

999
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,840
spreading with Kennedy. Anyway, between the time we're now recording

1000
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,800
and when listeners hear this today or tonight, Kennedy is

1001
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,239
going to drop out. It's supposed to be two o'clock Eastern.

1002
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,159
And the person I talked to doesn't have intimate knowledge

1003
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,880
on whether there's a firm deal to have a cabinet

1004
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,880
post or something like that.

1005
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,519
Speaker 2: But that's the speculation. I'll just say this much.

1006
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: You know, Trump has been really trying to court Kennedy,

1007
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,440
going back to when Trump called him up after the

1008
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,559
shooting in Pennsylvania, and on the polling data seems to

1009
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:30,920
suggest that Kennedy dropping out will help Trump. Right now,

1010
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,360
the polls are dead even, but in a lot of

1011
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,599
the battleground states, Kennedy's still put He's on the ballot,

1012
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,199
he is polling at two three percent, and Trump gets

1013
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:40,840
the lion's share.

1014
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,599
Speaker 2: That at least according to the polling detail.

1015
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: But it's all pretty volatile. But in a fifty to

1016
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239
fifty election, which rob is where the polls are right now,

1017
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,239
it's a coin flip. It could make the difference. So

1018
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,119
this is an interesting moment in a year which has

1019
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:57,239
seen so many crazy things. Right, So we'll just have

1020
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,159
to see what happens with this.

1021
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there's like we're now at the at

1022
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,320
the uh at the small ethnic populations of the important states. Right,

1023
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,440
So the fact that there's three hundred thousand Jews in

1024
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:13,079
Pennsylvania matters. The fact that and that that's one of

1025
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,159
the Israel things. That's what that is real thing was about.

1026
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,440
So like you you start to start to see how

1027
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,039
you're basically you're gonna you're seeing the wires happen in

1028
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,199
a way that you know, I think Trump tweeted yesterday,

1029
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,880
so you know, I've always loved that Governor Brian Kemp.

1030
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,599
Speaker 4: He's thanks him for his partnership.

1031
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 6: I think it's like, you know, you're starting to see

1032
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,039
it all kind of unravel with these two guys scramble

1033
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,280
for little boats here and there they go because belunking.

1034
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 4: Record, scratch, different topic. Culture.

1035
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,559
Speaker 3: Filled on you, dead Rob, You're the television guy influential

1036
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,400
beyond uh, beyond imagining, thinking man's Jerry Springer mainstay.

1037
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 4: We never expected to go away. What what's what's the

1038
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,719
legacy of philled on to you? You know, I think

1039
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,840
you know there was a there used to be an

1040
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,599
ad in.

1041
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,519
Speaker 6: Chicago when he know, I mean it was a Cleveland

1042
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,920
even when he started in Cleveland. He's starting Cleveland, then

1043
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,760
moved to Chicago. Daytime Guy in Cleveland, and the ad

1044
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,880
was for the show. The line was have your second

1045
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,719
cup of coffee with Phil Donahue, entirely directed.

1046
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: At women who were at home, and.

1047
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 6: The idea was your first cup of coffees in the

1048
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,199
morning with your husband and your kids and they go off,

1049
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:25,800
and then you're gonna have a time for your second

1050
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,400
cup of coffee after the house is empty, and you

1051
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,320
have it with Phil Donahue. And I think he was

1052
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,840
one of the first people in television to sort of

1053
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,880
treat that audience for real, and maybe it was postfeminism,

1054
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,719
who who knows, but he treated that audience as a

1055
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,480
as a as a gold mine.

1056
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: I mean, in a.

1057
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,599
Speaker 6: The housewife at stay at home mom audience was suit

1058
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:55,519
of like the happy homemaker kind of thing. It was

1059
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,159
all kind of nothing in game shows and dramas, and

1060
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,159
he said, I don't know, maybe not game shows in

1061
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,239
daytime dramas for an hour, maybe salacious content or even

1062
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,079
political content or like current events content or whatever it was.

1063
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:12,440
I think he was the first guy to do that,

1064
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:18,320
and pretty amazing, actually quite an accomplishment. I mean I

1065
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,599
found him incredibly irritating and also especially near the end

1066
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,400
when he was simply pro Soviet, he was just he

1067
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,719
was one of those guys while we were winning the

1068
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,880
Cold War, while Reagan was winning the Cold War, was saying,

1069
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,320
let's not win this Cold War, you know, let's let's

1070
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:31,639
give up.

1071
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 3: And you know why because he had a close personal,

1072
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,400
warm relationship.

1073
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: With who post Vladimir Poser.

1074
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,159
Speaker 4: That's the guy ever met, ever met Vladimir Postner.

1075
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: Oh I met him and.

1076
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,679
Speaker 1: Was on TV with him once Turnout and a Half

1077
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:48,960
in LA in nineteen eighty eight, Arm wrestling with him.

1078
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you now, eighty eight I think was when I

1079
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,679
interviewed him to what he was making one of his sweeps,

1080
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,400
his leather jacket and his merl Burgs and as Jack

1081
00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:02,880
Daniels and the rest of them that ready, Yeah, so yeah,

1082
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,039
I mean, but he's an interesting character.

1083
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: I mean, the story of Vladimir Posers is interesting, this

1084
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:09,920
westernized face that they that they put out to us.

1085
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I think Phil was just enamored

1086
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,400
with the fact that that we would actually, you know,

1087
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,199
that the Soviet Union would somehow be a liberal place

1088
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,840
that abounded with Vladimir Posers. After all, they'd already had

1089
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,480
you in Tropo, who, as we know, liked to listen

1090
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,280
to Benny Goodman, and so, I mean, all we had

1091
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,920
to do is get past is reaganesque fear mongering and

1092
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,719
and show them that actually that, like Sting, we believe

1093
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,960
that the Russians love their children too, and handholding would

1094
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,639
result in the rest of it, absolute utter delusion and

1095
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,519
a sign of an unseerious, easily swayed mind. But enough

1096
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:43,360
of that, we're going to record Scratch again because we

1097
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,639
before we go, I would like to find out what

1098
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,159
Rob actually did in the Amazon, aside from probably get

1099
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,480
a bunch of parasites which will manifest themselves.

1100
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, slowly you could see.

1101
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 6: You can't really see anymore, but I did have a

1102
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,280
bunch of splinters in this hand from everything ever. Anything

1103
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:06,679
in the in the Amazon that's really horrible and scary

1104
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,920
is tiny. You can barely see it. You know, in Africa,

1105
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,639
you like, you know, that's a lion that die's gonna

1106
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,840
eat me. That elephant will step on my foot, that's

1107
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,079
your raff is just gonna knock me over. The Amazon,

1108
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,719
everything's small and like a little bug and a little

1109
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,480
caterpillar and a tiny little leaf cutting ant and little

1110
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,199
stickers on a tree that you can barely see. So

1111
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,920
I was there with a bunch of people and pretty

1112
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,119
much everybody had one encounter with a biting, stinging insect

1113
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:36,039
or some GI tract issue that said, it was really,

1114
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,599
really fun, and I would go back in a second,

1115
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,599
and I was every every minute of it. I was

1116
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:45,519
sort of saying prayers of gratitude to Dow Chemical for

1117
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:50,480
inventing all sorts of like shut toxic cancer causing insecticides.

1118
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: But boy do they work. I got to try you deep,

1119
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,960
my friend yeah, I handed to do.

1120
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: Well, we're deep free here now, which is why we're

1121
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
all slapping and scratching. I heard that there was an

1122
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,840
Amazon something that lives in the water that.

1123
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 4: Is known for swimming up to you.

1124
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 3: And then deploying barbs so that it cannot be pulled out.

1125
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,400
And I'm wondering exactly how something like that evolves or

1126
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:14,199
is just proof of a malicious spirit inventing it on

1127
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,760
the spot, because I mean, if that's really what you

1128
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,119
need to need to do to reproduce, swim up the

1129
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,599
urethra and deploy your barbs, it seems there's limited opportunity

1130
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,440
for that, but apparently they just abound in the Amn.

1131
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 6: You don't really want to swim, Yeah, in the Amazon.

1132
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,920
There's ponas there. Some one of our party got bit

1133
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,599
by a piranha. You don't and you definitely don't want to, like, uh,

1134
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:41,440
relax in the Amazon in any meaningful way, because you know,

1135
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,800
you're you're feeding the fish and some of those fish

1136
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,199
they call they call that the toothpick fish, by the way,

1137
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,559
that's the nickname for the candiru. And it does exactly

1138
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,719
what you say. It opens up like an umbrella after

1139
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,239
swimming inside you, and there is no way to get

1140
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:56,639
it out.

1141
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 4: You need to remove the appendage. But you would you everything,

1142
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,639
everything there is trying to kill you.

1143
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 6: But yet you would go back because there's everything there

1144
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,360
could kill you.

1145
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 4: Everything there's just trying to live. That's the thing. It

1146
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:10,400
just it doesn't really has no it doesn't. They didn't

1147
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:10,679
know me.

1148
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 6: I mean they know me, maybe they maybe those bugs

1149
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,239
will be trying to kill me, but they don't really

1150
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,960
know me. There's like I'm just like, oh, I can

1151
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,440
can I eat that? I'm gonna eat that. I'm you know,

1152
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,360
the natural world, especially down there, is just all about hunger.

1153
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,559
But can I just change the subject briefly? Yes, I

1154
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,360
mean I know we're coming to the end because I

1155
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,239
do want to. I want to make one plug because

1156
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,079
I had this sort of great experience last night. I

1157
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,840
met this guy who was the former Secretary of Commerce

1158
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,239
under Trump, Will Barross.

1159
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: Fascinating guy.

1160
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 6: So sometimes I know we've been spending our time trashing

1161
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,159
old people like the candidates, former candidates. Candidates and former

1162
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,360
candidates are too old, too old, too old, And then

1163
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,559
you meet a guy who's old, and you think that

1164
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:50,760
guy could be president of United States. I would vote

1165
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,679
for that guy to be president the United States. He

1166
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,480
told these great stories, wonderful stories because he worked for Trump.

1167
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,360
But he also he had he goes back with Trump,

1168
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,519
goes back all the way because he's a bankruptcy guy,

1169
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,119
and he would He was one of the people leading

1170
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:05,000
the bankruptcy negotiations for Trump's casino in Atlantic City. That

1171
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,719
was his first encounter with Trump. And the story's riveting.

1172
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,000
And he's written a book. The book is called Risks

1173
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:14,679
and Returns. And I'm telling you if you're interested in

1174
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,199
good stories, well told by a non polemical, non partisan,

1175
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:25,119
smart guy, and they're good stories, and he writes really well.

1176
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,719
Wilbur Ross Risks and Returns.

1177
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: Tell me what.

1178
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Speaker 3: Tell me you said there's this podcast thing you know

1179
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,920
about that would be happy to have him for a guest.

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Speaker 6: Tell me that, yeah, you know what I didn't because

1181
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,760
he you know, because this is why this is this guy.

1182
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,039
This is the reason why this guy is so rich

1183
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:43,760
and successful is because he was He said to everybody, Hey,

1184
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I'm giving you a copy of this book, but make

1185
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sure your friend's by four because I need he's got that.

1186
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,360
He's got a chart in his head of what he

1187
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,880
needs to be to be on the New York Times

1188
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,239
bestseller list. I mean, I think the book was released

1189
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,519
every after Labor Day so you could pre order it.

1190
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That's what you need to do, pre order it. But

1191
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you know, you're talking about and a guy who's been

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in business for a long long time and is very

1193
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,920
very smart but also really gentle and fun. And the

1194
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:10,639
book is like, it's really great. It's a really great

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00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:12,280
memoir of He.

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Speaker 3: Needs to do some publicity because otherwise people don't know

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about it, so let's have him on the show.

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Speaker 4: You're totally right, he would be great to be like me.

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Speaker 3: Not saying it's saying I got a sub stack up

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00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,079
now with my column.

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Speaker 4: Not running there, But I'm not going to tell you

1202
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:25,679
about it. You can find out for yourself. I mean

1203
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,320
probably probably is James Lylyx that substant substack dot com,

1204
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,880
James Lilax dot substack dot com. But I you know,

1205
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,519
maybe yes, maybe no. I do know, however, that Apple

1206
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,360
would love to hear your reviews about this podcast. Five stars,

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00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:42,920
five stars, five stars.

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Speaker 3: Don't be like one of those people goes four point

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00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:46,079
seven because he didn't like this or didn't like that.

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Speaker 4: Five stars.

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Speaker 3: Just give us the whole raft there, baby, And I

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would also tell you that if you want to improve

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your metabol account, find out what you need to eat

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in the course of the day, and and actually have

1215
00:56:56,039 --> 00:57:01,960
the pleasure of a really well designed scientific instruments, you

1216
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,400
would go to Lumen and you would support us. If

1217
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,400
you support them and support yourself and your metabolic health,

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of course, and you get ten fifteen percent off.

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00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: That's great.

1220
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 3: You would also be wise to you know, just be

1221
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,840
glad that Rob is back among us, that he survived,

1222
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,760
and happy that Stephen could join us as well. And

1223
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,679
beyond that, gentlemen, Uh, it's been a great hour, it's

1224
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,280
been a pleasure to talk to all of you. The

1225
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:27,119
great weekend, and we'll see everybody in the comments at

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a Ricochet four point zero next week Labor Day.