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Speaker 1: Imagine, if you will, a bizarre, seemingly completely disconnected string

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of events. First, you have a boat captain out on

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the chilly waters of Puget Sound watching an absolute paralyzing

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terror as molten metal rains down from a flying doughnut shaped.

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Speaker 2: Craft, which is terrifying enough on its own right.

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Speaker 1: But then cut to a mysterious stranger in a pristine,

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immaculate black suit sitting in a dingy Tacoma diner. He

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orders a full breakfast waffles specifically, but absolutely refuses to

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take a single bite, choosing instead to use the meal

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as a prop in a psychological warfare tactic against a civilian.

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Speaker 2: It's just such a bizarre flex, it really is.

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Speaker 1: And then cut again to a military B twenty five

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bomber suddenly catching fire and crashing deep into the Washington

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Woods in the dead of night, taking two decorated intelligence

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officers in a cardboard serial box full of anomalous metallic

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slag down with.

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Speaker 2: It, and then the ultimate escalation.

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Speaker 1: Exactly fast forward sixteen years to the blinding Texas sun

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and the tragic assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Welcome

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to thrilling Threads. Today we are unpacking the massive stack

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of source material you shared with us.

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Speaker 2: It is a truly labyrinthine collection of declassified FBI files,

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historical investigations, and foundational aerospace lore.

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Speaker 1: And we are going to trace a single, bloody, continuous

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thread through all of it. Our mission today is to

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walk you from that forgotten UFO encounter in nineteen forty

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seven directly to the grassy knoll in Daley Plaza.

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Speaker 2: I know it sounds incredibly hyperbolic when you lay it

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out like that. It sounds almost like the plot of

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a pulp geopolitical spy thriller.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like something out of a movie.

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Speaker 2: But the paper trail we are going to examine today

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forces us to look at American history through a deeply unsettling,

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yet historically documented lens. We are moving entirely past the

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realm of simple folklore or Internet rumors. Here.

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Speaker 1: We're talking hard paper trails exactly.

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Speaker 2: We are entering the documented corridors of black budgets, corporate espionage,

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and highly classified intelligence operations. The source piece together memos,

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operational histories, and direct testimonies that link the exact same

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intelligence operatives across a span of decades.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into the mechanics of this. We

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need to establish the ground rules for how we are

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analyzing this.

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Speaker 2: Material, right, That's crucial.

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Speaker 1: The documents we are examining delve heavily into the political

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and ideological motivations of various CIA operatives, military figures, and politicians. Specifically,

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this involves intense anti communists and anti Castro factions operating

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during the absolute fever pitch of the Cold War.

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Speaker 2: And we want to explicitly assure you, our listener, that

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we are not taking any political sides here, definitely not.

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We aren't endorsing the morality, the ideology, or the viewpoints

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of the historical figures in our source material. Our goal

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is strictly to impartially analyze the historical actions, the documented

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paper trails, and the specific strategic motivations exactly as they

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were reported in these declassified files.

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Speaker 1: That's a crucial distinction to make. We are analyzing the chessboard,

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We're not rooting for a specific piece. Well said, Okay,

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So to understand the end of this threat in Dallas,

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we have to start at the very beginning. Let's set

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the scene for you. The date is June twenty first,

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nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 2: A very specific very important summer.

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Speaker 1: Right. We are in Washington State, patrolling the chilly, choppy

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waters of Puget Sound near an area called Maury Island

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on a boat. We have Harold Dahl, his fifteen year

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old son Charles, a crewman, and their family dog Sparky.

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Speaker 2: Just a normal crew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I first read this part of the

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source material, I had to pause and ask myself what

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these guys were even doing out there. They weren't looking

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for the paranormal or conducting a military exercise. They were

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literally just looking for stray timber to salvage.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the socioeconomic context is important here. In nineteen forty seven,

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the Pacific Northwest locking industry was booming. It was huge,

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but it was also relatively unregulated in terms of logistics.

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actually pay a bounty to anyone who recovered and returned them.

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Speaker 1: So it was just a tough, blue collar maritime hustle exactly.

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Speaker 2: Doll was out there trying to make a living. It

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was a completely mundane working class afternoon until roughly two

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Speaker 1: Right around two point zero pm, everything fundamentally changes. Charles,

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the teenage son, points up at the sky, hovering roughly

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two thousand feet above the water, are six completely silent objects.

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Speaker 2: And the description of these objects is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: It really is, because when I think of nineteen forty

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seven UFOs, I immediately think of flying saucers, you know,

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the classic sleek silver discs. But Doll's description in the

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files is totally different. The sources say these were donut.

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Speaker 2: Shaped precisely, and that specific anomaly in the description is

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one of the things that makes the Maury Island account

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so deeply entrenched in the classified files. Doll's description was

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incredibly specific and structural.

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Speaker 1: He didn't just say they were weird lights.

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Speaker 2: No, he described them as being roughly one hundred feet

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in diameter with a distinct hollow hole in the center.

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Speaker 1: Metallic tires floating in the sky.

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Speaker 2: And furthermore, he noted they had portholes or observation windows

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spaced regularly around the outer rim, and they were just

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passing by an linear flight path. Five of these massive

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craft were floating in a deliberate, highly synchronized circular formation

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Speaker 1: Sixth one, and that sixth one is the problem. The

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sources say it was steadily losing altitude and moving erratically.

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critically damaged. I just I keep putting myself in Herald

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Doll's shoes.

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Speaker 2: It's a terrifying exidaria.

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Speaker 1: You're out on this small boat, the water is cold,

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the sky is overcast, and suddenly there's a fleet of silent,

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floating metallic doughnuts, and one of them looks like it's

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about to crash right on top of you. Doll actually

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cuts the engine of his boat because the situation is

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so surreal. He wants to hear them right, but they

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are dead silent. The erratic craft drops to maybe five

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hundred feet right above their boat. Claim the air got

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incredibly still, and he could actually see into the craft

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through those portholes, though he couldn't make out any occupants.

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Speaker 2: The tension in the encounter escalates rapidly. At this point,

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the wabble of the central craft becomes violently pronounced, and then,

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according to Doll's testimony to the authorities, a deep harsh, concussive,

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cracking sound echoes across.

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Speaker 1: The water like an explosion.

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Speaker 2: Not quite an engine noise. It was structural, like something breaking.

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purge or a catastrophic failure. It starts dumping material directly

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over the water and consequently over Doll's boat.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't just a few bolts falling off first.

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Speaker 1: Falling right, the absolute nightmare begins. The craft starts dropping

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white hot liquid metal that violently hisses and boils the

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second it hits the frigid ocean water, and mixed in

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that molten rain are solid, heavy pieces of metallic.

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Speaker 2: Slag, some of it quite large.

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Speaker 2: This is a critical pivot point in the historical narrative

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of unexplained phenomena if we connect this to the broader

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picture of UFO lore, particularly in the mid twentieth century,

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sightings are almost exclusively just that. Sightings just visual exactly.

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There are lights in the sky, distant shapes, pacing aircraft,

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anomalous radar returns. But the Maury Island event immediately transitions

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into a physically destructive, visceral, and highly localized encounter. The

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debris doesn't just fall into the empty sound.

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Speaker 1: It slams directly into dull salvage boats.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's violently physical.

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Speaker 1: This is where the story stops being a curiosity and

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turns into a horror story. A piece of this heavy, burning,

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jagged debris hits fifteen year old Charles. It burns right

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through his heavy workshirt and severely injures his arm.

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Speaker 2: And tragically, another massive piece of this burning metal strikes

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their dog, Sparky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, killing the animal instantly.

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Speaker 2: The psychological impact of that moment cannot be overstated. A

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completely incomprehensible event has just inflicted severe physical trauma on

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his family.

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Speaker 1: Doll's reaction is pure panic, which makes total sense. He

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tries to use his boat's two way radio to call

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the Coastguard or the harbor patrol for help, but the

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radio equipment is completely dead.

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Speaker 2: It was experiencing massive electromagnetic interference.

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Speaker 1: So he abandons the radio, fires up the engine, and

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literally runs his boat aground onto the beach at March

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to hide in the dense tree line on the.

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Speaker 2: Island, seeking any cover they can find.

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Speaker 1: Right and from the trees, they watch the damaged craft,

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stabilized start leaking, the molten material rise back up to

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the formation, and all six craft accelerate out toward the

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open ocean at an incomprehensible speed.

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Speaker 2: The entire encounter lasted approximately twenty minutes. Daal later estimated

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to investigators that perhaps twenty tons of this mysterious material

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had fallen from the sky, littering the beach in the

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Speaker 1: Twenty tons. That's a massive debris field.

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Speaker 2: It is. And importantly, Dahl didn't just walk away from

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this traumatic event with a wild, unsubstantiated story. He took photographs.

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Speaker 1: He actually got pictures.

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Speaker 2: He had a camera on the boat, and he captured

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images of the objects in flight, the massive smoking debris

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field on the beach, and the physical structural damage to

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his own vessel.

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Speaker 1: Which leads us to the next major player in this saga.

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That night, after getting Charles to a hospital to treat

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the burns, Harold Dahl meets up with his business partner,

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a man named Fred Chrisman.

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Speaker 2: A very very important name.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I need you, the listener, to take a mental

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red pen and circle the name Fred Chrisman, because as

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we trace this thread, Fred Chrisman is the lynchpin of

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this entire discussion.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely now.

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Speaker 1: At first, Chrisman's reaction is exactly what yours or min

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would be. He thinks Doll is out of his mind.

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He thinks the stress of the salvage business has caused.

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Speaker 2: A breakdown, but Doll has the proof right.

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Speaker 1: Doll shows him the camera, tells him about Charles, and

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insists he go look. So the very next morning, Chrisman

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sails out to Mariy Island himself to verify the.

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Speaker 2: Story, and what he finds actively forces him to reconsider

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Doll's mental state. He finds the beach on Mariy Islands

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covered for hundreds of yards in this strange, jagged metallic debris,

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exactly where Dall said the craft had purged.

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Speaker 1: It, and it was still warm wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, due to the mass of the objects, some of

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the pieces are remarkably still warm to the touch, despite

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having been exposed to the coastal elements overnight.

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Speaker 1: And the physical evidence is just the start. While Chrisman

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is standing there on the beach physically holding pieces of

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this anomalous slag, he looks up and right there, hovering

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silently over the area, he spots the UFO himself.

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Speaker 2: It observes him.

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Speaker 1: It watches him or observes the area for about five

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minutes before completely vanishes. So now almost overnight, the situation

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is escalated exponentially. They have two independent eyewitnesses, photographs of

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the craft, physical metallic slag that defies immediate metallurgical identification,

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an injured teenage boy, and a dead dog.

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Speaker 2: It is essential here to contextualize the exact historical timing

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of these events. We are in late June of nineteen

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Speaker 1: The Summer of Saucers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this specific period in American history is monumental. It

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would very shortly become known in the press and in

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sociological studies as the Summer of Saucers. Public consciousness regarding

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this guy was about to be completely rewired.

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Speaker 1: And the timing is just crazy.

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Speaker 2: To put it in perspective, the More Island incident occurred

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just two weeks before the most famous UFO event in

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human history, the Roswell crash in New Mexico. The atmosphere

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was just beginning to crackle with an unprecedented kind of

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aerial paranoia.

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Speaker 1: Which perfectly sets the stage for what happens next. Because

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later that Exisa, that same day, after Chrisman validates the

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debris and sees the craft himself, Harold Dahl experiences something

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that feels ripped straight out of a Cold War and

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Speaker 2: The intimidation begins.

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Speaker 1: Doll is at home and a stranger arrives at his

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front door. He pulls up in a brand new, polished Buick,

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but Dahl notices something immediately. The car has absolutely no

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license plates.

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Speaker 2: A classic intelligence hallmark.

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Speaker 1: The man stepped out and he is wearing a crisp

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immaculate black suit and a black fedora. Harold Dall has

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just encountered what history records as the very first documented

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man in black.

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Speaker 2: When we hear men in black today, we think of

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the pop culture iteration agents protecting the earth with a

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flashy neuralizers and witty banter. But the historical reality as

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documented in these early files is far more sinister.

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Speaker 1: They weren't making jokes.

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Speaker 2: No, they were deeply menacing figures. The psychological tactics used

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by this individual are what make the encounter so chilling.

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He doesn't knock on the door and asks to come

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inside for a chat. He instructs Doll to follow him

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to his car and they drive in silence to a

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diner into Coma.

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Speaker 1: Removing him from his safe space exactly.

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Speaker 2: This transition to a neutral, public, yet isolating space is

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where the intimidation formally.

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Speaker 1: Begins, and the way he starts the intimidation is just bizarre.

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They sit down in a booth at this diner. The

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stranger orders a full breakfast for himself, a plate of waffles.

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The food arrives steaming hot, and then the stranger just

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sits there. He doesn't eat, He never touches a single

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bite of the food, He doesn't drink the coffee. He

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just stares across the table at all. It's such an

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incredibly specific, strange power move. Why do that?

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Speaker 2: It is a textbook interrogation and intimidation technique. You order

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the food to establish a baseline of normalcy, but by

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refusing to engage with it, you subvert that normal sea.

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Speaker 1: It throws the target off balance.

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Speaker 2: It signals to the target that the standard rules of

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social engagement do not apply here. The stranger is demonstrating

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that he is entirely, singularly focused on dismantling the reality

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of the person sitting across from him. He is establishing

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absolute dominance over the environment.

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Speaker 1: And it gets worse because the stranger knows absolutely everything.

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He already knows Harold's full name, his wife's name, his

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son's name, where they live, what they.

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Speaker 2: Do, total situational awareness.

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Speaker 1: He knows every granular detail about the incident on the

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water the day before. He knows the exact shape of

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the craft, the specific nature of the molten debris, the

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severe burn on Charles's arm, and the death of Sparky

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the dog. He even knew that Harold had run the

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boat aground and was hiding in a specific patch of

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trees on the island watching the craft leave.

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Speaker 2: Which forces us to ask a deeply uncomfortable logistical question,

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How could anyone government or otherwise possibly possess that level

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of granular operational intelligence within twenty four hours of an

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event occurring in an isolated body of water.

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Speaker 1: Right there's no internet, no satellite surveillance, no cell phones.

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Speaker 2: The stranger leverages this seemingly impossible knowledge to issue a direct,

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unambiguous threat. He tells Harold in no uncertain terms, to

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keep completely quiet about what he saw on Puget Sound

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or bad things will happen to him and his family.

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Speaker 1: It's a mafia style threat.

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Speaker 2: It is a highly sophisticated application of psychological warfare designed

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to isolate, terrify, and silence a civilian target.

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Speaker 1: But Harold Dahl, maybe he's just stubborn, or maybe he's

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fueled by anger over his son being burned and his

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dog being killed, completely ignores the threat. He refuses to

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be bullied by a guy in a suit who won't

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eat his waffles.

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Speaker 2: A brave but dangerous decision.

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Speaker 1: Doll talks. He talks to his family, he talks to

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his friends, and most importantly, he talks to the local press.

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The story hits the papers and immediately, literally within days,

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the stranger's threats materialize in the most horrific, systematic ways imaginable.

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Speaker 2: The retaliation outlined in the source material is swift, multi pronged,

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and devastating. First, Dol's fifteen year old son, Charles, the

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one who is burned by the debris, simply vanishes, just disappears.

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He disappears without a trace for weeks. The family is

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frantic when Charles is finally located. He is hundreds of

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miles away in Montana, working as a buzzboy in a

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roadside diner, and he's not right. He is suffering from severe,

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profound amnesia. He has no memory of who he is,

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where he came from, or how he managed to cross

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multiple state lines with no money. And if that wasn't enough,

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a car in what appears to be a targeted hit

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and run.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the statistical and probability of all of that

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happening organically is zero. It's unbelievable. And the retaliation doesn't

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stop with Charles. Harold's wife suddenly falls inexplicably serially ill.

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Right at the same time, at the exact same time,

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his salvage business is systematically targeted. His boats are severely vandalized,

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his equipment is ruined, and his livelihood is practically destroyed overnight.

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The family is subjected to constant, looming threats.

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Speaker 2: The message is received loud and clear, talk and we

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will dismantle every aspect of your life.

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Speaker 1: And the pressure finally breaks him. Harold Dahl officially goes

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to the authorities plus and he completely recans his entire story.

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He publicly states that the UFO encounter, the raining metal,

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the dead dog, all of it was just a massive,

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elaborate hoax he made up for attention.

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Speaker 2: And this is where the historical documentation provides a massive

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paradigm shifting revelation because on the surface, Doll claiming it

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was a hoax neatly ties up the incident for the

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general public.

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Speaker 1: The newspapers print the retraction, people shake their heads, and

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the story goes away.

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Speaker 2: However, the source material introduces a highly classified, now declassified

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FBI document that absolutely shatters that official narrative. It is

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a memorandum written by Special Agent Jack Wilcox, sent directly

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to the desk of FBI Director J Edgar Hoover.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about the Jack Wilcox memo because this

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completely flips the script. But let me play devil's advocate here.

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If Dall went to the press and publicly confessed he

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made the whole thing up, doesn't that just kill the story?

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Why did the FBI keep investigating? And why is an

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agent writing directly to Jaeger Hoover about a confessed hoaxer.

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Speaker 2: That is the exact paradox the memo addresses. Willcox explicitly

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writes to Hoover that Harold Dahl didn't actually admit to

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a hoax during his private FBI interrogation. He didn't no.

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Willcox reports that Dahl told the federal agents he was

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simply going to call it a hoax publicly because he

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was utterly terrified for his family's safety. The memo states

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that Dahl explicitly told the FBI he would rather be

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known as a liar to the general public than continue

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to deal with a horrific harassment and physical danger his

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family was enduring. Wow privately, behind closed doors with the FBI,

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both Harold Doll and Fred Crisman fiercely and consistently maintained

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that the UFO sighting and the reigning metal were completely

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one hundred percent real.

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Speaker 1: That is massive. That memo fundamentally alters the historical record

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of this event. It proves that the highest levels of

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the investigative bodies, the FBI and as we will see,

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military intelligence, knew for a fact that the primary witness

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was being intimidated into a false confession.

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Speaker 2: They were fully aware.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a hoax, it was an active cover up

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facilitated by brutal witness tampering, and they just let it happen.

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Speaker 2: They didn't just let it happen. They monitored the fallout.

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And this leads us directly into the escalation of that

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cover up. Because despite dal backing away publicly to save

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his family, his business partner, Fred Chrisman, absolutely refuses to

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stay quiet.

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Speaker 1: Chrismin seems completely impervious to the intimidation tactics.

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Speaker 2: He pushes forward aggressively.

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Speaker 1: Chrismin is a total bulldog about this. He decides that

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if the local authorities won't help, he needs to go national.

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He reaches out to a man named Ray Palmer. Palmer

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was the editor of a wildly popular magazine out of

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Chicago called Amazing Stories.

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Speaker 2: A massive publication at the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah The magazine focused on science fiction, the paranormal, and

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the burgeoning brand new UFO phenomenon. Palmer gets Chrisman's letter,

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complete with a small sample of the metallic slag, and

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he's deeply intrigued. He decides to send his top investigator

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out to Tacoma to look in to it personally.

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Speaker 2: And he doesn't just send anybody, right.

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Speaker 1: He sends a guy named Kenneth Arnold.

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Speaker 2: To understand the gravity of that choice, you have to

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understand who Kenneth Arnold was in the summer of nineteen

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forty seven. Arnold is a monumental foundational figure in aerospace

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and unexplained phenomena history. He's the guy why because just

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three days after the Marial Island incident, three days after

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Dahl saw the donuts, Kenneth Arnold was flying his private

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plane near Mount Rainier in Washington. During that flight, he

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witnessed a string of nine highly reflective crescent shaped objects

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flying in formation at incredible supersonic.

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Speaker 1: Speech, and he gave them a very specific name.

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Speaker 2: When he landed, he described their erratic skipping motion to

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reporters by saying they flew like a saucer wood if

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you skipped it across the.

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Speaker 1: Water, which is literally where the term flying saucer comes from.

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The press took his description of their motion and applied

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it to their shape. Kenneth Arnold coined the term without

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even meaning to so.

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Speaker 2: By the time Ray Palmer asks him to go to

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Tacoma a few weeks later, Kenneth Arnold is already a

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massive national celebrity. He is the Flying Saucer Guy.

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Speaker 1: Arnold agrees to investigate. He flies to Tacoma on July

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twenty ninth, and he brings along another credible witness, United

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Airlines Captain E. J. Smith, a commercial pilot who had

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also seen UFOs while flying his passenger route that summer.

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Speaker 2: So you have two highly experienced, highly credible pilots arriving

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to investigate Doll and Chrisman. They arranged to meet at

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the Winthrop Hotel in downtown Tacoma to examine the physical evidence.

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Speaker 1: The initial meeting goes as expected. Arnold and Captain Smith

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examined the metallic debris Chrismin brings them. Arnold notes in

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his personal logs that the metal itself looks somewhat ordinary,

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perhaps resembling industrial slag from a smelting plant, but it's

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exceptionally heavy.

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Speaker 2: However, the totality of the story, the corroborated burn marks

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and the teenager. The photographs and Chrisman's absolute insistence compel

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Arnold to dig deeper.

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Speaker 1: But it's what happens inside that hotel room later that

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night that shifts the narrative from a localized mystery into

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a highly sophisticated espionage operation.

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Speaker 2: It becomes a spy story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so picture this scene. It's late at night. Arnold

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and Captain Smith are in their room at the wind

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Prop Hotel. They've spent hours interviewing Chrisman. They're totally exhausted,

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and they're getting ready for bed. Suddenly, the phone in

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the room rings.

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Speaker 2: Always ominous.

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Speaker 1: It's a local reporter named Ted Morello from United Press International.

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Morello tells Arnold he has an anonymous source who is

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feeding him every single detail of Arnold and Smith's private conversations,

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every detail, and to prove he's not bluffing, Morello recites

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back to them names, times, and exact descriptions of the

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UFOs that they had only discussed in the strict, sealed

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privacy of that hotel room.

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Speaker 2: The reaction from Captain Smith is entirely understandable for his

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civilian pilot, who suddenly realizes he's being hunted. The source notes,

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he grabbed the phone from Arnold, shouted a string of

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obscenities at the reporter, and slammed the receiver down.

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Speaker 1: I would have been the exact same thing, but the.

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Speaker 2: Terrifying implication sinks in immediately they realize they are caught

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in the middle of an active, highly technical surveillance operation.

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They physically tear the hotel room apart, sweeping for listening devices.

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Speaker 1: They checked behind paintings, under the bed, inside the lamps.

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Speaker 2: They don't find any traditional bugs initially, but it's later

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discovered by investigators that the hotel rooms built in intercom

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system had been deliberately professionally rewired and converted into a live,

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continuous microphone.

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Speaker 1: Someone with advanced technical expertise was actively monitoring every breath

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they took. Yes, but wait, if they didn't know Arnold

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was coming until the last minute, how did they have

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time to wire the room?

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Speaker 2: That is the most chilling part of the logistics. They

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did know he was coming, right.

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Speaker 1: The sources say that when Kenneth Arnold initially arrived into Coma,

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he found that all the major hotels in the city

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were completely booked solid because of a convention.

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Speaker 2: But miraculously the Winthrop Hotel had a premium room pre

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registered and waiting specifically under his name.

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Speaker 1: Arnold just assumed his editor, Ray Palmer, had called ahead

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and booked it for him as a favor. He later

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found out Palmer had done no such thing.

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Speaker 2: Someone else, someone with advance knowledge of his travel plans,

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booked a specific room, wired the intercom to act as

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a covert listening device, and gently steered Arnold right into

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the trap when he arrived looking for a bed.

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Speaker 1: The Paranoi at this point is just off the charts.

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Arnold realizes he's way out of his depth. He's a

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private pilot, not a sky He decides he needs heavy

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hitters federal authority to look at this operation.

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Speaker 2: He calls for backup, so he.

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Speaker 1: Picks up the phone and calls two trusted military intelligence

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officers he knows, Captain William Davidson and Lieutenant Frank Brown.

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Speaker 2: Davidson and Brown were not standard infantry officers. They were

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intelligence specialists stationed at Hamilton Field in California, specifically tasked

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by the military with investigating unexplained aerial phenomena for the

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Fourth Air Force.

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Speaker 1: When Arnold calls them in a panic, they immediately requisition

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a military aircraft and arrive in Tacoma two days later.

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Speaker 2: However, when Arnold informs these seasoned intelligence officers about the

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highly sophisticated bugging of his hotel room, interestingly, the officers

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aren't particularly surprised or worried.

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Speaker 1: They brush it off, which ironically only heightens Arnold's growing

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sense of deep paranoia.

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Speaker 2: Harold Dahl, who has already had his son brainwash and

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his dog killed, wants absolutely nothing to do with the military.

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He is thoroughly terrified and refuses to speak with Davidson and.

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Speaker 1: Brown, but Fred Chrisman Chrismin is more than eager. He

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sits down with Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown in the

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bugged hotel room and goes through an hour's long exhaustive interview,

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detailing the craft, the explosion, the debris, everything, and as the.

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Speaker 2: Meeting wraps up, Chrismin hands over the physical proof.

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Speaker 1: He gives the military officers thirty heavy, jagged pieces of

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the metallic UFO debris. And I have to pause here because,

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in one of the bizarre, distinctly human details that you

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just cannot makeup, Chrismin didn't have a secure lock box. No,

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he didn't, so he packs these heavy, potentially history altering

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extraterrestrial artifacts into a sturdy Kellogg's cornflakes box.

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Speaker 2: It is an absurd visual, but it highlights the improvised

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nature of civilian involvement in these early classified events. The

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intelligence officers conclude their interview, secure the serial box containing

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the anomalous slag, and leave the Winthrop Hotel. Shortly after midnight.

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Speaker 1: They drive to nearby McCord Air Base, where they have

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a massive B twenty five Mitchell bomber waiting on the tarmac.

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Speaker 2: At roughly one point thirty in the morning, their B

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twenty five takes off into the dark sky, heading back

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to their base in California to analyze the evidence.

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Speaker 1: And this is where the thread turns lethal. According to

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the official military timeline and the source files, roughly two

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hours into the flight, a catastrophic sudden event occurs.

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Speaker 2: The left engine of the B twenty five bomber unexpectedly

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catches fire.

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Speaker 1: The flames spread rapidly. Captain Davidson, an experienced pilot, desperately

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attempts to stabilize the massive aircraft, while Lieutenant Brown orders

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their two enlisted crewmen to strap on their parachutes and

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bail out of the burning plane.

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Speaker 2: The two crewmen managed to eject. They parachute down through

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the dark and land safely in the wilderness.

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Speaker 1: But the investigators, Davidson and Brown, do not make it out.

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The bomber plummets and crashes deep into the dense woods

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near Kelso, Washington. Both intelligence officers are killed on impact

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in the fiery wreckage.

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Speaker 2: It is an absolute tragedy, but the aftermath of the

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crash is what solidifies the conspiratorial nature of the Marie

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Island incident. The military immediately deploys recovery teams into the woods.

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Speaker 1: They secure the perimeter, extinguish the wreckage, and recover the

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bodies of Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown.

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Speaker 2: But guess what is completely conspicuously missing from the meticulously searched.

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Speaker 1: Wreckage The cornflakes box.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the thirty pieces of anomalous UFO debris, the sole

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physical evidence of the Marie Island encounter, are gone, without

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a trace, just vanished. Now.

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Speaker 1: The official military report eventually comes out and claims the

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crash was simply a tragic mechanical failure of the left engine.

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Case closed right.

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Speaker 2: But the local press in Washington is hearing something completely

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different from their sources.

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Speaker 1: Paul Lance, a seasoned reporter for the Tacoma Times, publishes

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an absolute bombshell of an article. He manages to release

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the names of the dead military officers before the Pentagon

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even officially announces them, and.

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Speaker 2: In the article he reports that a highly placed, anonymous

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military intelligence source told him the Become five didn't suffer

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a mechanical engine fire.

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Speaker 1: The source claim the bomber was deliberately shot out of

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the sky by a twenty millimeters cannon to destroy the

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evidence on board.

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Speaker 2: The fallout from the B twenty five crash and the

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subsequent newspaper article is immense. You suddenly have the FBI,

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the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and military brass

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swarming toa COMA. J.

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Speaker 1: Edgar Hoover is personally receiving daily memos on the situation.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Hoover classifies the entire Moury Island and B

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twenty five crash investigation under a brand new file designation

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Security Matter X. As historians note, this is the literal,

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documented paper trail origin of the FBI's X files.

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Speaker 1: The pressure on everyone involved is absolutely crushing. It's during

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this exact window of intense federal scrutiny that doll fully recants,

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and suddenly even the bulldog Fred Chrisman publicly claims the

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whole thing was just a practical joke that got out

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of hand.

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Speaker 2: Even as they are privately desperately insisting to the FBI

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that it was real, they tell the public.

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Speaker 1: It's fake, and the body count just continues to rise.

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Remember Paul Lance, the reporter who published the story claiming

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the plane was shot down by a twenty millimeter cannon.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after publishing that explosive front page story, Lance dies

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of sudden aggressive meningitis.

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Speaker 1: He was only twenty nine years old, in perfect health,

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and doctors at the time were never able to determine

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the actual cause or origin of the infection, and.

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Speaker 2: The institutional erasure continues. Roughly a year after Lance's death,

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the entire Tacoma Times newspaper, a well established publication, inexplicably

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folds and goes out of business entirely.

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Speaker 1: It's like someone or some extremely powerful, well funded group

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was systematically tying up every single loose end, no matter

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how messy it got. Fred Chrisman is suddenly unexpectedly recalled

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to active military service and immediately shipped off to a

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remote base in Alaska.

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Speaker 2: Carol Dahl completely disappears from the Tacoma public record. The

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slate is wiped entirely clean.

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Speaker 1: It's breathtaking when you pull back and look at the

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totality of it. We have a supposed hoax about a

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flying doughnut dropping logging debris that somehow results in a

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murdered family dog, a kidnapped and brainwashed teenager, a professionally

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bugged hotel room, a fiery military bomber crash, two dead

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intelligence officers, vanished physical evidence, and a dead journalist.

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Speaker 2: If we synthesize the threads of just this first half

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of the story, the assertion that this was a simple

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hoax fabricated by two local men looking for a quick

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payday from a science fiction magazine completely collapses under the

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weight of the institution response.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't go to these links for a hoax exactly.

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Speaker 2: The FBI, military intelligence, and sophisticated surveillance operatives do not

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expand this staggering level of political capital, operational budget, or

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body count on a fabricated story about industrial slag, which

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forces us analytically to look much much closer at the

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man standing right at the center of the storm, calmly,

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surviving at all, Fred Chrisman.

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Speaker 1: Let's absolutely peel the onion on Fred Chrisman, because if

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you thought he was just a regular guy, a harbor

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patrolman who happened to see something weird over Puges down

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and got in over his head, the declassified documents are

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about to blow your mind.

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Speaker 2: Chrismin was not a regular civilian.

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Speaker 1: The sources reveal his actual resume, and it is staggering.

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During World War Two, Fred Christman was a highly decorated

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elite fighter pilot. He flew two hundred and eleven combat missions, but.

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Speaker 2: More importantly, for a thread. In nineteen forty two, his

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unique skill set was recognized and he was recruited by

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the OSS the Office of Strategic Services.

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Speaker 1: For those unfamiliar with the intelligence lineage. The OSS was

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the United States premier intelligence agency formed during World War Two,

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directed by wild Bill Donovan.

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Speaker 2: It was responsible for espionage, sabotage, and subversion behind enemy lines.

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It is the direct structural predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency.

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Speaker 1: When the OSS was dissolved after the war and the

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CIA was formally established, highly capable operatives like Fred Chrisman,

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didn't just go back to civilian life. They transitioned seamlessly

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into the new clandestine agency, and thanks.

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Speaker 2: To a trove of declassified files known to researchers as

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the Easy Papers, we now know exactly what Fred Christman's

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specific job title and function was within that apparatus.

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Speaker 1: He was classified as an extended agent specializing in career

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disruption and internal security.

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Speaker 2: A career disruption agent.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean on a practical day to

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day basis. It sounds like an HR term, but we

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are talking about spies.

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Speaker 2: According to the files, his primary operational training was slanted

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toward disruption, infiltration, and cyclo logical warfare entirely inside the

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borders of the United States.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't parachuting into Soviet territory.

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Speaker 2: No, he was a professional saboteur operating on American soil

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against domestic targets. The documents show he ran multiple businesses

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that existed strictly on paper shell companies with no products,

655
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no services, no actual employees.

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Speaker 1: He was essentially a bag man, moving massive amounts of

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unfaceable dark money to fund off the books operations. In fact,

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in nineteen sixty six, FBI informants actually tracked Chrisman moving

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one hundred thousand dollars in cash into California, and.

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Speaker 2: Despite knowing about it, the FBI deliberately looked the other

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way and allowed the transfer to happen.

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Speaker 1: Beyond the financial logistics, his role involved profound, aggressive political espionage.

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The declassified documents indicate he gathered intelligence on American politicians, judges,

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and civic leaders and submitted over one thousand detailed reports

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directly to his handlers at the CIA.

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Speaker 2: His job was to feed deeply damaging, often entirely fabricated

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disinformation to political opponents in order to ruin careers, swing elections,

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and control legislative outcomes.

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Speaker 1: He was a professional architect of chaos, and crucially for

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our understanding of the broader thread, the sources identify him

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as a chaos agent working specifically on behalf of the

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Boeing Company, a massive foundational player in the military industrial

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complex based right there in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: He was allegedly carrying out aggressive corporate espionage and neutralizing

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political or legislative threats to the company's lucrative defense contracts.

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Speaker 1: So, when we take that resume spy, saboteur, corporate fixer,

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psychological war for expert and apply it back to Maury Island.

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It completely recontextualizes the entire nineteen forty seven UFO incident.

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Speaker 2: Harold Dahl might have been a genuine, innocent witness who

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stumbled into something terrifying over the water, but his partner,

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Fred Kritzman was a literal CIA chaos agent.

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Speaker 1: So we have to ask, was Chrisman running a massive

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psychological operation on the American public to test how rumors spread?

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Was he actively helping in intelligence agencies protect a real

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recovered extraterrestrial technology by muddying the waters with the hoax narrative.

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Speaker 2: Or was the UFO itself an early, highly classified military test,

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perhaps a Boeing project that Christmin was brought in to

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aggressively cover up.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the actual truth of the physical objects in the sky,

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Chrisman's undeniable presence guarantees that the cover up was not

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a clumsy military mistake, but a highly organized federal intelligence operation.

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Speaker 2: And that operational network, the shadow structure that so effectively

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covered up Marie Island, silenced witnesses, and managed the press

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in nineteen forty seven, did not simply vanish when the

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headlines faded.

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Speaker 1: It went dormant, adapting, evolving, and entrenching itself deeper into

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the government apparatus throughout the Cold War.

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Speaker 2: Which brings us to the most massive geopolitical shift in

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the narrative. We need to jump forward sixteen years, leaving

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the chilly waters of Puget Sound in nineteen forty seven

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and dropping directly into the boiling political cauldron of Washington,

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d C. In nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 1: President John F. Kennedy is in the Oval Office, and

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according to the historical documentation, he is making strategic executive

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moves that are absolutely terrifying the entrenched intelligence agencies and

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military establishment.

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Speaker 2: To say that JFK and the CIA leadership despised each

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other his putting it mildly. Following the disastrous, embarrassing failure

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of the CIA backed Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba,

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Kennedy was furious about being lied to by his own

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intelligence chiefs.

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Speaker 1: He famously declared to his advisors that he wanted to

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splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it

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to the winds.

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Speaker 2: He didn't just talk about it, he took action. He

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fired the incredibly powerful director of the CIA, Alan Dulles,

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but Kennedy was going much further than just internal administrative

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house claning.

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Speaker 1: The sources detail how he was secretly behind the backs

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of the Pentagon, engaging in back channel peace talks with

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Soviet Premier Nikita Krushtev. They were actively discussing unprecedented cooperation,

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ending the nuclear brinkmanship of the Cold War, and incredibly

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starting a joint US Soviet space program to explore the

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Moon together, pooling their resources instead of fighting over them.

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Speaker 2: To the hardline vehemently anti communist factions deeply embedded within

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the CIA, the Pentagon, and the sprawling network of black

727
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ops operatives like Fred Chrisman, Kennedy's diplomatic overtures weren't just

728
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viewed as bad foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: They were viewed as literal existential treason.

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Speaker 2: They believed with absolute conviction that Kennedy was dismantling the

731
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security apparatus of the nation, showing weakness, and actively handing

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the strategic advantage to the Soviets.

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Speaker 1: But according to our sources, the tension between the Oval

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Office and the Shadow State reached a breaking point over

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one specific, highly classified issue, the ultimate disclosure of the

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UFO secret.

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Speaker 2: This is the Bombshells the entire timeline.

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Speaker 1: The sources highlight two heavily classified memos that President Kennedy

739
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drafted and issued on November twelfth, nineteen sixty three. I

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want you, the listener, to stop and look at a

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calendar in your mind. November twelfth, nineteen sixty three, is

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exactly ten days before the assassination in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Ten days Kennedy issues National Security Action Memorandum two seventy one.

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Speaker 1: In this document, he demands the immediate orderly declassification of

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all UFO intelligence files affecting national security. He explicitly instructs

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the new CIA director to prepare a comprehensive program to

747
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share this highly classified UFODA data the CIA had been

748
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hoarding since nineteen forty seven with NASA and ultimately with

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the Soviet Union as part of their new Joint Space

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Exploration initiative.

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Speaker 2: Let's analyze the enemy's list that this single memorandum instantly activates.

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First and foremost, you have Alan Dolles.

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Speaker 1: Though formally fired by Kennedy, Dulles still commanded immense loyalty

754
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and wielded unparalleled power within the intelligence shadow state.

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Speaker 2: Dollas had personally overseen the government's UFO cover up machinery

756
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since its inception in nineteen forty seven. He was directly

757
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involved in managing the operational fallout of the Maury Island incident,

758
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the Roswell crash, and the establishment of the psychological warfare

759
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campaigns against the public regarding flying saucers.

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Speaker 1: Dulles's new execs exactly what deeply paradigm shifting, potentially non

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human technology the government was hiding in its black vaults.

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Speaker 2: To Devile's and his loyalists, a sitting president demanding unfettered

763
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access to the biggest, most heavily guarded secret in human history,

764
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purely to hand it over to America's greatest nuclear enemy

765
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was an apocalyptic scenario. It simply could not be allowed

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to happen.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the ideological Zela who wanted Kennedy gone.

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It was the money. The financial stakes were astronomical. The

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military industrial complex was already furious with Kennedy over his

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defense spending decisions.

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Speaker 2: The defense industry relies entirely on conflict and the threat

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of conflict. A joint space program in peace with Russia

773
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is terrible for the defense business.

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Speaker 1: Furthermore, Kennedy had just awarded the largest, most lucrative defense

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deal in history, the TFX Tactical Fighter Jet contract to

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a company called General Dynamics.

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Speaker 2: The TFX contract is crucial context. This wasn't a standard

778
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procurement order. The Tactical Fighter Experimental program was designed to

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produce thousands of advanced aircraft for both the Navy and

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the Air Force. It was worth billions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Everyone in the intelligence and defense sectors absolutely expected that

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massive fortune to go to Boeing. Boeing had the better design,

783
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and they had the political infrastructure in place.

784
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Speaker 2: But political maneuvering, likely tied to Vice President Lyndon Johnson's

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Texas connections, swung the massive contract to General Dynamics.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the exact same Boeing that employed Fred Chrisman as

787
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a corporate chaos agent. By trying to end the Cold

788
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War and by shifting defense spending away from the established

789
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power players, JFK was costing Boeing, the CIA, and their

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network of powerful political allies billions upon billions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: And for an operative like Chrisman, whose job it was

792
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to neutralize threats to Boeing, Kennedy had just become the

793
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ultimate threat.

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Speaker 1: You have a convergence of extreme, highly motivated motives, deep

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ideological hatred of Kennedy's perceived softness on communism, massive defense

796
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industry greed over the TFX contract, and the excess ciential

797
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,800
threat of exposing a sixteen year, highly illegal covert cover

798
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,440
up of non human technology.

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Speaker 2: The narrative constructed by the sources asserts that a lethal

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cabal was assembled to solve the Kennedy problem. Disgruntled CIA operatives,

801
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anti Castro Cuban exiles who felt abandoned after the Bay

802
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,159
of Pigs, mobsters facing federal prosecution, and corporate fixers.

803
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Speaker 1: And the geographic hub chosen to plan, fund, and launch

804
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this massive operation was New Orleans.

805
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Speaker 2: Right. New Orleans in nineteen sixty three was the perfect

806
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,800
stating ground. It was geographically close to Latin America and Cuba,

807
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the local political and police authorities were notoriously corrupt and

808
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,679
easy to buy off, and the city was crawling with

809
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,119
anti communists CIA linked operatives moving guns and money.

810
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Speaker 1: And who runs the primary bustling hub of this illicit

811
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:49,519
activity in New Orleans a man named Guy Banister. Now,

812
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:51,960
if you are paying attention to the threads we've been weaving,

813
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,079
that name should make your jaw drop.

814
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Speaker 2: It is the connective tissue that ties the aras together.

815
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In nineteen forty seven, Guy Banister was the l lead

816
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FBI agents stationed in Idaho, actively investigating regional UFO crashes

817
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,159
and coordinating directly with military intelligence on the suppression of

818
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:10,400
the Maury Island incident.

819
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Speaker 1: He was a foundational piece of the original cover up apparatus.

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Speaker 2: By nineteen sixty three, Banister has officially left the FBI

821
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and is running what appears on paper to be a

822
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standard private investigation business.

823
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Speaker 1: In New Orleans, but as the sources vividly detail, it

824
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:28,960
wasn't a standard PI firm finding lost husbands. Witnesses reported

825
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seeing heavy wooden crates of military grade weapons, explosives, and

826
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radios being constantly moved through Banister's office building.

827
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Speaker 2: He was actively outfitting, training and funding anti Castrow pairamilitaries

828
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,320
for Black Ops raids into Cuba.

829
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Speaker 1: And who has spotted making multiple highly secret trips to

830
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Guy Banister's heavily armed office in New Orleans. In the

831
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summer of nineteen sixty three, Fred Chrisman.

832
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,639
Speaker 2: The Maury Island chaos agent, is reactivated and back in play.

833
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,360
Multiple credible witnesses placed Chrisman at Banister's office on several occasions,

834
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meeting behind closed doors with other known conspirators and paramilitary leaders.

835
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Speaker 1: Some sources allowed she was functioning in his role as

836
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,920
a bagman, delivering massive sums of untraceable corporate or intelligence

837
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,400
cache to fund the operation.

838
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,559
Speaker 2: Others suggest an even more bizarre link that he was

839
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:18,960
delivering highly classified documents to Banister regarding a UFO crash

840
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,800
and metallic debried that didn't match known aircraft, Perhaps the

841
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,119
very Maury Island files Banister originally helped suppress being used

842
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:29,639
now as leverage or planning material.

843
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: But the most chilling detail, the absolute undeniable smoking gun

844
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,599
of locations in this entire story, revolves around the physical

845
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,000
architecture of Banister's office.

846
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Speaker 2: Let me break down the geography of this because.

847
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Speaker 1: It's wild guy. Banister's detective agency, where all the CIA

848
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,079
assets and weapons are moving through, was officially located at

849
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,480
five thirty one Lafayette Street in New Orleans. However, the

850
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,639
building was situated squarely on a street corner, and it

851
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,440
possessed a second, separate entrance around the side of the

852
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,840
building with an entirely mailing address.

853
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,079
Speaker 2: That second entrance address was five forty four Camp Street.

854
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: Five forty four Camp Street. For historians and researchers of

855
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
the jfk assassination, that specific address is the rosetta stone

856
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:14,119
of the conspiracy, because five forty four Camp Street is

857
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,920
the exact address aggressively stamped on the pro Castro Communist

858
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239
fair Play for Cuba leaflets that were being handed out

859
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,079
on the streets of New Orleans by a young, seemingly

860
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:26,199
radicalized man named Lee Harvey Oswald.

861
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,119
Speaker 2: Let that sink in Yeah. The FBI agent who covered

862
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,800
up UFOs in nineteen forty seven, the CIA chaos agent

863
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,239
from Maury Island, and the man accused of being a

864
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,199
lone communist nut who killed the president are all operating

865
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,960
out of the exact same physical building at the exact

866
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same time.

867
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,079
Speaker 1: Banister is running anti communist gun running operations out of

868
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the front door, and Oswald is running pro communist lethlet

869
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,440
campaigns out of the side door. It's an obvious intelligence front.

870
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: The sources leverage this incredible geographical connection to systematically dismantle

871
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:01,159
the official Warren Commission narrative surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald. The

872
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,920
historical documents kund of compelling picture of Oswald not as

873
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,119
a random disaffected civilian who simply got lucky, but as

874
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:11,639
a deeply embedded, highly managed intelligence asset.

875
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,039
Speaker 1: Let's look at his military record. Oswald wasn't just a

876
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:19,400
standard infantry marine. He was an aviation electronics operator, and

877
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,599
he was stationed at Naval Air Facility at Sugi in Japan.

878
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: And Tugi wasn't just a regular base where guy's peeled potatoes.

879
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,480
Atsugi was one of the most highly classified, sensitive intelligence

880
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,239
installations in the world at that time.

881
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: It was the primary overseas home base for the CIA's

882
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,320
top secret U two spy plane program, incredibly advanced surveillance

883
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,800
technology that was directly developed out of the black budgets

884
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,800
at Area fifty one.

885
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Speaker 2: To operate in that environment, Oswald required and possessed top

886
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,119
level crypto clearance. His daily job was to work on

887
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:51,400
the advanced radar systems, actively tracking the U two flights,

888
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,679
knowing their exact altitudes, flight patterns, and classified optical capabilities

889
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,000
as they flew missions over Soviet airspace.

890
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,119
Speaker 1: He was thoroughly skeeeped in a America's most sensitive surveillance tech.

891
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Then the narrative takes a bizarre turn. In nineteen fifty nine,

892
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Oswald supposedly defects to the Soviet Union.

893
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Speaker 2: He marches into the American embassy in Moscow, dramatically renounces

894
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his US citizenship and openly offers the Soviets military secrets,

895
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,960
secrets we know for a fact he possessed regarding the

896
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:22,800
utube program.

897
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Speaker 1: And guess what happens. Shortly after Oswald hands over his

898
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radar knowledge to the KGB, the Soviets, who previously couldn't

899
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,079
touch the high flying planes, miraculously managed to track and

900
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,840
shoot down an American U two spy plane piloted by

901
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,119
Franciscary Powers, causing a massive international incident.

902
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,039
Speaker 2: Oswald gave them the keys of the castle.

903
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Speaker 1: But the true anomaly, the detail that absolutely shatters the

904
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,559
low nut theory, is his return to the United States

905
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,480
after two years living in the Soviet Union. Having offered

906
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them classified radar data and essentially committing treason, Oswald decides

907
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he wants to come home. In nineteen sixty one.

908
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Speaker 2: Looking at standard Cold War protocols, a returning defector of

909
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,920
that magnetude it would face grueling, intense months long interrogation

910
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,599
by the CIA, likely followed by imprisonment or federal trees

911
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,360
in charges. It would involve incredibly complex hostile negotiations between

912
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the State Department and intelligence agencies.

913
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Speaker 1: But not Leeharvy Oswald. He Waltz is right back into

914
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the United States completely bypassing all the normal defector scrutiny.

915
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He isn't arrested, he isn't thrown in a dark cell.

916
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Speaker 2: It gets crazier. The US State Department actually loans him

917
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the money to pay for his travel expenses back to America,

918
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and they immediately, without friction, grant an immigration visa for

919
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his new Soviet born wife, Marina, whose uncle was a

920
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,159
colonel in the Soviet intelligence Services.

921
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Speaker 1: Looking at this timeline from the sources, it certainly breaks

922
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,519
every standard protocol for a Cold War defector. Usually returning

923
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,679
means intense interrogation, but the sources point out Oswald received

924
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travel loans and visa approvals almost immediately.

925
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Speaker 2: The implication strongly put forward to by the documents is

926
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that Oswald was never a real defector. He was a

927
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false defector, a dangle sent into Russia by the CIA,

928
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,000
an intelligence asset managed by the very agencies operating out

929
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of five point forty four Camp Street.

930
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Speaker 1: He was doing a job, which brings us to the

931
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tragic combination of these intersecting timelines. On November twenty second,

932
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nineteen sixty three, President John F. Kennedy is assassinated as

933
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,719
his motorcade passes through Daley Plaza in Dallas, Texas.

934
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Speaker 2: With his death, the geopolitical landscape shifts instantly. The secret

935
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,519
piece talks with Khrushchev entirely die, the joint lunar space

936
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:32,840
program with the Soviets dies, the TFX contract remains safe, and.

937
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: Most critically for the architects of this narrative, Kennedy's executive

938
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,119
order NSAM two seventy one d Trucknet to declassify and

939
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:43,400
share the UFO intelligence files completely dies. The incoming President,

940
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Lyndon Johnson has no interest in sharing those secrets.

941
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Speaker 2: The cover up is secured, but the immediate chaotic aftermath

942
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,920
in Daley Plaza provides one of the most tantalizing visual

943
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clues connecting everything back to the Puget Sound in nineteen

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forty seven.

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Speaker 1: Within minutes of the fatal shots being fired, Dallas police

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swarm the area. They arrest three men who were found

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hiding in a box car on the railroad tracks directly

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behind the infamous Grassy Knoll. These men are marched through

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the plaza by police, and they become known in assassination

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lore as the three Tramps.

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Speaker 2: The police initially claimed they were just homeless hobos who

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happened to be sleeping on the train, but when the

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press photographs of the arrests surfaced and were analyzed years later,

954
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researchers were absolutely stunned.

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Speaker 1: The visual evidence contradicts the official police report. These men

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do not look like transients who have been sleeping rough

957
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on trains. They are clean, shaven, well fed, and wearing

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fresh clothes and relatively nice shoes.

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Speaker 2: They possessed the distinct bearing of intelligence operatives wearing a clumsy,

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hasty disguise to blend into a raw yard.

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Speaker 1: For decades, independent researchers and historians have endlessly analyzed these photos.

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Suspects for the true identities of the tramps have included

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famous documented CIA operatives and future Watergate burglars like e.

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Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, or even the notorious mob

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contract killer Charles Harrelson.

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Speaker 2: But it is the third Tramp, the older, taller man

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wearing a battered fedora, walking behind the other two, who

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holds our attention for this thread.

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Speaker 1: Facial recognition analyzes, biometric comparisons, and exhaustive historical researchers have

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pointed out a striking, almost undeniable physiological resemblance between that

971
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third tramp and Fred Crisman.

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Speaker 2: The visual similarity is compelling, but it is the subsequent

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legal paper trail that truly binds Chrisman to the assassination aftermath.

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It isn't just a photograph that ties him to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Years later, in nineteen sixty seven, the fiercely independent New

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Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison launches the only criminal investigation

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ever brought to trial in a court of law for

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the murder of JFK.

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Speaker 2: Garrison bypasses the federal narrative and arrests a wealthy, highly

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connected New Orleans businessman named Clay Shaw, accusing him of

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being a covert CIA asset who helped finance and plan

982
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the assassination alongside Guy Banister.

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Speaker 1: And here's the detail that blew my mind. When clay

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Shaw is arrested by Garrison, booked into jail and allowed

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his one constitutionally protected phone call, who do you think

986
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:05,599
he calls?

987
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Speaker 2: He's a wealthy man. He doesn't call his high powered

988
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,719
defense attorney. He doesn't call his family or a business partner.

989
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,039
Speaker 1: Clayshaw uses his one phone call from jail to dial

990
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:15,880
Fred Chrisman.

991
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Speaker 2: The connective tissue between the players is undeniable. At that point.

992
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,719
A man accused of killing the president uses his emergency

993
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lifeline to call the Chaos agent from Maury Island.

994
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Speaker 1: Based on that connection, Jim Garrison officially subpoenis Fred Chrisman,

995
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,079
forcing him to travel to New Orleans to testify before

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the grand jury regarding his knowledge of the assassination plot.

997
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,119
Speaker 2: The transcripts of that grand jury testimony show Chrismin provably

998
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:42,840
lying under oath to protect the operation. He swore to

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00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,840
the jury he had never been to New Orleans prior

1000
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,039
to nineteen sixty six, Despite multiple eyewitnesses and travel records

1001
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,360
placing him squarely in guy Banister's office with Clayshaw in

1002
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nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 1: He flatly denied knowing clay Shaw or guy Banister. Garrison

1004
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deeply suspected that Fred Chrisman was not just a logistical

1005
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,199
planner or a bagman, but that he was actively on

1006
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,239
the grassy knoll that day and perhaps even pulled a

1007
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trigger from behind the picket fence.

1008
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Speaker 2: But Garrison couldn't definitively prove it in court, and honestly,

1009
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,639
how could he. He was a local municipal district attorney

1010
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trying to prosecute a highly classified, deeply entrenched federal intelligence

1011
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,679
operation in a legal system effectively run by the very

1012
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,119
assets he was investigating.

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00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:31,159
Speaker 1: Witnesses died, evidence disappeared, files were classified. Chrisman was eventually

1014
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:35,239
dismissed and never charged. Clay Shaw was acquitted by the jury,

1015
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,280
though years later, declassified CIA files finally admitted that Shaw

1016
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:43,119
was in fact a highly valued long term agency asset,

1017
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,800
exactly as Jim Garrison had claimed all along.

1018
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: And finally, we must examine the ultimate mechanism of the

1019
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,800
cover up. Who was appointed to write the official history

1020
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,199
of these events for the American public.

1021
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,079
Speaker 1: When the government formed the Warren Commission to officially investigate

1022
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,440
the assassination of the President. Who was appointed to the

1023
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,960
commission to oversee the flow of an intelligence and steered

1024
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,679
the investigation alan the list, The very man Kennedy had fired,

1025
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,679
the man who oversaw the Maury Island UFO cover up machinery,

1026
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,039
The man who had the absolute most to lose from

1027
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:14,679
Kennedy's peace talks and his order to declassify the UFO files.

1028
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,079
Speaker 2: Dullis essentially investigated himself, controlled what documents the other commissioners saw,

1029
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,000
and ultimately concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone

1030
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:27,920
nut with no intelligence ties, who committed the crime entirely

1031
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:28,599
by himself.

1032
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:32,639
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate fox guarding the henhouse. And the thing

1033
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,800
is even the people closest to the absolute center of

1034
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,239
power knew the Warren Commission was a sham. Publicly, the

1035
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,280
Kennedy family had to accept the Commission's findings to keep

1036
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,400
the country stable during the Cold War.

1037
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: But privately, the sources note that Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy,

1038
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the president's own brother and the top law enforcement officer

1039
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,000
in the country, called the Warren Commission's report a shoddy

1040
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:57,079
piece of craftsmanship.

1041
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: According to his family in close aids. Rfk's immediate gut

1042
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,440
instinct on the afternoon of November twenty second was that

1043
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,480
the intelligence agency, the rogue elements of the CIA, had

1044
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:07,280
killed his brother.

1045
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,039
Speaker 2: And we all know the tragic, chilling fate that awaited

1046
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,079
Robert F. Kennedy when he tried to run for president

1047
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,440
a few years later, promising to reopen the investigation into

1048
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,199
his brother's death.

1049
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Speaker 1: If we step back and synthesize all of these sprawling,

1050
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deeply connected threads we've discussed today, the overlapping historical connections

1051
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:24,480
are staggering.

1052
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,039
Speaker 2: The exact same men who are mobilizing military intelligence to

1053
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:31,840
violently suppress the truth about a reigning doughnut shaped UFO

1054
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,920
and Puget Sound in nineteen forty seven. Men like Allan

1055
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,119
Dole's guide Banister and Fred Chrisman are the exact same

1056
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:42,440
men intimately tied by geography, association and motive to the

1057
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,360
geopolitical assassination of a sitting US president. In nineteen sixty three,

1058
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we see.

1059
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Speaker 1: The exact same brutal witness intimidation tactics, the same deep

1060
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,199
ties to Boeing and the defense industry, the same shared

1061
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,119
operational addresses in New Orleans, and the same absolute murderous

1062
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,039
dedication to maintaining state secrets at all costs.

1063
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Speaker 2: So what does this all mean for you, the listener

1064
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,719
navigating the world today.

1065
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Speaker 1: Whether Harold Dahl actually saw a fleet of extraterrestrial craft

1066
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off Moury Island or whether he saw a highly classified

1067
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:14,440
terrestrial military tesk gone terribly wrong. The conspiracy that his

1068
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:17,519
sighting activated was terrifyingly demonstrably real.

1069
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,119
Speaker 2: The classification systems, the black budgets, and the rogue intelligence

1070
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agencies that mobilized to silence a fishermen and cover up

1071
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:28,599
the slag on the beach in nineteen forty seven are

1072
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the exact same entities that operated in the shadows of

1073
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,719
Deeley Plaza in nineteen sixty three.

1074
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Speaker 1: And as our source material powerfully notes, these are the

1075
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,760
exact same overarching structures operating in total secrecy today. They

1076
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,000
constantly tell the public that their operations, their lies, and

1077
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:48,000
their unchecked black budgets are necessary to protect America from

1078
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its enemies.

1079
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: But after looking at the paper trail of Fred Chrisman

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and Alan Dulles, you really have to ask yourself are

1081
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,480
they protecting the country or are they just ruthlessly protecting themselves,

1082
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:00,280
their secrets and their grip on power.

1083
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: It's a profound paradigm shift. It requires us to critically

1084
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,639
question the foundational narratives provided by authorities and to recognize

1085
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,760
the deeply entrenched mechanisms of control that operate just beneath

1086
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the surface of recorded history.

1087
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Speaker 2: And that leaves us with one final, brand new thought

1088
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,719
for you to chew On. As we wrap up this

1089
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,639
exploration on thrilling threads.

1090
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,159
Speaker 1: We've spent this entire time talking about the government covering

1091
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,519
things up, but think about the corporate element. We discussed

1092
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,559
Boeing the defense contractors. If the architecture of secrecy built

1093
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:32,960
in nineteen forty seven is still running today, what happens

1094
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,760
when the private aerospace companies, the massive defense contractors of

1095
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,639
today eventually possess more advanced classified technology than the intelligence

1096
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:42,840
agencies themselves.

1097
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: If a private corporation has the UFO debris, who regulates

1098
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,760
the cover up? Then the government or the board of directors.

1099
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,199
Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. What do you think

1100
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:54,519
about the connections we've drawn today? Was John F. Kennedy

1101
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:58,000
assassinated primarily over Cold War politics or was he killed

1102
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,639
specifically to protect the biggest tech logical secret in human history?

1103
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,599
And where do you stand on the photograph of the

1104
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:05,880
three trams? Is that Fred Chrissman on the grassy Knoll?

1105
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,519
Drop a comment and let us know your stance. Thank

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00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:11,039
you so much for tracing these thrilling friends with us.