Speaker 1: Imagine, if you will, a bizarre, seemingly completely disconnected string
of events. First, you have a boat captain out on
the chilly waters of Puget Sound watching an absolute paralyzing
terror as molten metal rains down from a flying doughnut shaped.
Speaker 2: Craft, which is terrifying enough on its own right.
Speaker 1: But then cut to a mysterious stranger in a pristine,
immaculate black suit sitting in a dingy Tacoma diner. He
orders a full breakfast waffles specifically, but absolutely refuses to
take a single bite, choosing instead to use the meal
as a prop in a psychological warfare tactic against a civilian.
Speaker 2: It's just such a bizarre flex, it really is.
Speaker 1: And then cut again to a military B twenty five
bomber suddenly catching fire and crashing deep into the Washington
Woods in the dead of night, taking two decorated intelligence
officers in a cardboard serial box full of anomalous metallic
slag down with.
Speaker 2: It, and then the ultimate escalation.
Speaker 1: Exactly fast forward sixteen years to the blinding Texas sun
and the tragic assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Welcome
to thrilling Threads. Today we are unpacking the massive stack
of source material you shared with us.
Speaker 2: It is a truly labyrinthine collection of declassified FBI files,
historical investigations, and foundational aerospace lore.
Speaker 1: And we are going to trace a single, bloody, continuous
thread through all of it. Our mission today is to
walk you from that forgotten UFO encounter in nineteen forty
seven directly to the grassy knoll in Daley Plaza.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds incredibly hyperbolic when you lay it
out like that. It sounds almost like the plot of
a pulp geopolitical spy thriller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like something out of a movie.
Speaker 2: But the paper trail we are going to examine today
forces us to look at American history through a deeply unsettling,
yet historically documented lens. We are moving entirely past the
realm of simple folklore or Internet rumors. Here.
Speaker 1: We're talking hard paper trails exactly.
Speaker 2: We are entering the documented corridors of black budgets, corporate espionage,
and highly classified intelligence operations. The source piece together memos,
operational histories, and direct testimonies that link the exact same
intelligence operatives across a span of decades.
Speaker 1: But before we get into the mechanics of this. We
need to establish the ground rules for how we are
analyzing this.
Speaker 2: Material, right, That's crucial.
Speaker 1: The documents we are examining delve heavily into the political
and ideological motivations of various CIA operatives, military figures, and politicians. Specifically,
this involves intense anti communists and anti Castro factions operating
during the absolute fever pitch of the Cold War.
Speaker 2: And we want to explicitly assure you, our listener, that
we are not taking any political sides here, definitely not.
We aren't endorsing the morality, the ideology, or the viewpoints
of the historical figures in our source material. Our goal
is strictly to impartially analyze the historical actions, the documented
paper trails, and the specific strategic motivations exactly as they
were reported in these declassified files.
Speaker 1: That's a crucial distinction to make. We are analyzing the chessboard,
We're not rooting for a specific piece. Well said, Okay,
So to understand the end of this threat in Dallas,
we have to start at the very beginning. Let's set
the scene for you. The date is June twenty first,
nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: A very specific very important summer.
Speaker 1: Right. We are in Washington State, patrolling the chilly, choppy
waters of Puget Sound near an area called Maury Island
on a boat. We have Harold Dahl, his fifteen year
old son Charles, a crewman, and their family dog Sparky.
Speaker 2: Just a normal crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I first read this part of the
source material, I had to pause and ask myself what
these guys were even doing out there. They weren't looking
for the paranormal or conducting a military exercise. They were
literally just looking for stray timber to salvage.
Speaker 2: Yes, the socioeconomic context is important here. In nineteen forty seven,
the Pacific Northwest locking industry was booming. It was huge,
but it was also relatively unregulated in terms of logistics.
Huge rafts of timber were constantly being moved across Puget Sound.
Logs would inevitably break free, and the timber companies would
actually pay a bounty to anyone who recovered and returned them.
Speaker 1: So it was just a tough, blue collar maritime hustle exactly.
Speaker 2: Doll was out there trying to make a living. It
was a completely mundane working class afternoon until roughly two
point zero zero pm.
Speaker 1: Right around two point zero pm, everything fundamentally changes. Charles,
the teenage son, points up at the sky, hovering roughly
two thousand feet above the water, are six completely silent objects.
Speaker 2: And the description of these objects is fascinating.
Speaker 1: It really is, because when I think of nineteen forty
seven UFOs, I immediately think of flying saucers, you know,
the classic sleek silver discs. But Doll's description in the
files is totally different. The sources say these were donut.
Speaker 2: Shaped precisely, and that specific anomaly in the description is
one of the things that makes the Maury Island account
so deeply entrenched in the classified files. Doll's description was
incredibly specific and structural.
Speaker 1: He didn't just say they were weird lights.
Speaker 2: No, he described them as being roughly one hundred feet
in diameter with a distinct hollow hole in the center.
He essentially described them as massive metallic tires.
Speaker 1: Metallic tires floating in the sky.
Speaker 2: And furthermore, he noted they had portholes or observation windows
spaced regularly around the outer rim, and they were just
passing by an linear flight path. Five of these massive
craft were floating in a deliberate, highly synchronized circular formation
around the.
Speaker 1: Sixth one, and that sixth one is the problem. The
sources say it was steadily losing altitude and moving erratically.
It was wobbling, almost as if it were malfunctioning or
critically damaged. I just I keep putting myself in Herald
Doll's shoes.
Speaker 2: It's a terrifying exidaria.
Speaker 1: You're out on this small boat, the water is cold,
the sky is overcast, and suddenly there's a fleet of silent,
floating metallic doughnuts, and one of them looks like it's
about to crash right on top of you. Doll actually
cuts the engine of his boat because the situation is
so surreal. He wants to hear them right, but they
are dead silent. The erratic craft drops to maybe five
hundred feet right above their boat. Claim the air got
incredibly still, and he could actually see into the craft
through those portholes, though he couldn't make out any occupants.
Speaker 2: The tension in the encounter escalates rapidly. At this point,
the wabble of the central craft becomes violently pronounced, and then,
according to Doll's testimony to the authorities, a deep harsh, concussive,
cracking sound echoes across.
Speaker 1: The water like an explosion.
Speaker 2: Not quite an engine noise. It was structural, like something breaking.
The craft then initiates what appears to be an emergency
purge or a catastrophic failure. It starts dumping material directly
over the water and consequently over Doll's boat.
Speaker 1: And this isn't just a few bolts falling off first.
It's thousands of strips of thin, lightweight metal. The sources
describe it raining down almost like metallic confetti drifting on
the wind, which.
Speaker 2: Sounds almost ethereal until a heavy stuff starts.
Speaker 1: Falling right, the absolute nightmare begins. The craft starts dropping
white hot liquid metal that violently hisses and boils the
second it hits the frigid ocean water, and mixed in
that molten rain are solid, heavy pieces of metallic.
Speaker 2: Slag, some of it quite large.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these chunks are the size of a baseball,
but some are massive, jagged pieces the size of tires.
Speaker 2: This is a critical pivot point in the historical narrative
of unexplained phenomena if we connect this to the broader
picture of UFO lore, particularly in the mid twentieth century,
sightings are almost exclusively just that. Sightings just visual exactly.
There are lights in the sky, distant shapes, pacing aircraft,
anomalous radar returns. But the Maury Island event immediately transitions
into a physically destructive, visceral, and highly localized encounter. The
debris doesn't just fall into the empty sound.
Speaker 1: It slams directly into dull salvage boats.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's violently physical.
Speaker 1: This is where the story stops being a curiosity and
turns into a horror story. A piece of this heavy, burning,
jagged debris hits fifteen year old Charles. It burns right
through his heavy workshirt and severely injures his arm.
Speaker 2: And tragically, another massive piece of this burning metal strikes
their dog, Sparky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, killing the animal instantly.
Speaker 2: The psychological impact of that moment cannot be overstated. A
completely incomprehensible event has just inflicted severe physical trauma on
his family.
Speaker 1: Doll's reaction is pure panic, which makes total sense. He
tries to use his boat's two way radio to call
the Coastguard or the harbor patrol for help, but the
radio equipment is completely dead.
Speaker 2: It was experiencing massive electromagnetic interference.
Speaker 1: So he abandons the radio, fires up the engine, and
literally runs his boat aground onto the beach at March
Island to escape the falling debris. He grabs his injured son.
They leave the dog on the boat and they run
to hide in the dense tree line on the.
Speaker 2: Island, seeking any cover they can find.
Speaker 1: Right and from the trees, they watch the damaged craft,
stabilized start leaking, the molten material rise back up to
the formation, and all six craft accelerate out toward the
open ocean at an incomprehensible speed.
Speaker 2: The entire encounter lasted approximately twenty minutes. Daal later estimated
to investigators that perhaps twenty tons of this mysterious material
had fallen from the sky, littering the beach in the
shallow water.
Speaker 1: Twenty tons. That's a massive debris field.
Speaker 2: It is. And importantly, Dahl didn't just walk away from
this traumatic event with a wild, unsubstantiated story. He took photographs.
Speaker 1: He actually got pictures.
Speaker 2: He had a camera on the boat, and he captured
images of the objects in flight, the massive smoking debris
field on the beach, and the physical structural damage to
his own vessel.
Speaker 1: Which leads us to the next major player in this saga.
That night, after getting Charles to a hospital to treat
the burns, Harold Dahl meets up with his business partner,
a man named Fred Chrisman.
Speaker 2: A very very important name.
Speaker 1: Yes, I need you, the listener, to take a mental
red pen and circle the name Fred Chrisman, because as
we trace this thread, Fred Chrisman is the lynchpin of
this entire discussion.
Speaker 2: Absolutely now.
Speaker 1: At first, Chrisman's reaction is exactly what yours or min
would be. He thinks Doll is out of his mind.
He thinks the stress of the salvage business has caused.
Speaker 2: A breakdown, but Doll has the proof right.
Speaker 1: Doll shows him the camera, tells him about Charles, and
insists he go look. So the very next morning, Chrisman
sails out to Mariy Island himself to verify the.
Speaker 2: Story, and what he finds actively forces him to reconsider
Doll's mental state. He finds the beach on Mariy Islands
covered for hundreds of yards in this strange, jagged metallic debris,
exactly where Dall said the craft had purged.
Speaker 1: It, and it was still warm wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yes, due to the mass of the objects, some of
the pieces are remarkably still warm to the touch, despite
having been exposed to the coastal elements overnight.
Speaker 1: And the physical evidence is just the start. While Chrisman
is standing there on the beach physically holding pieces of
this anomalous slag, he looks up and right there, hovering
silently over the area, he spots the UFO himself.
Speaker 2: It observes him.
Speaker 1: It watches him or observes the area for about five
minutes before completely vanishes. So now almost overnight, the situation
is escalated exponentially. They have two independent eyewitnesses, photographs of
the craft, physical metallic slag that defies immediate metallurgical identification,
an injured teenage boy, and a dead dog.
Speaker 2: It is essential here to contextualize the exact historical timing
of these events. We are in late June of nineteen
forty seven.
Speaker 1: The Summer of Saucers.
Speaker 2: Yes, this specific period in American history is monumental. It
would very shortly become known in the press and in
sociological studies as the Summer of Saucers. Public consciousness regarding
this guy was about to be completely rewired.
Speaker 1: And the timing is just crazy.
Speaker 2: To put it in perspective, the More Island incident occurred
just two weeks before the most famous UFO event in
human history, the Roswell crash in New Mexico. The atmosphere
in the country, particularly within the military and intelligence sectors,
was just beginning to crackle with an unprecedented kind of
aerial paranoia.
Speaker 1: Which perfectly sets the stage for what happens next. Because
later that Exisa, that same day, after Chrisman validates the
debris and sees the craft himself, Harold Dahl experiences something
that feels ripped straight out of a Cold War and
War film.
Speaker 2: The intimidation begins.
Speaker 1: Doll is at home and a stranger arrives at his
front door. He pulls up in a brand new, polished Buick,
but Dahl notices something immediately. The car has absolutely no
license plates.
Speaker 2: A classic intelligence hallmark.
Speaker 1: The man stepped out and he is wearing a crisp
immaculate black suit and a black fedora. Harold Dall has
just encountered what history records as the very first documented
man in black.
Speaker 2: When we hear men in black today, we think of
the pop culture iteration agents protecting the earth with a
flashy neuralizers and witty banter. But the historical reality as
documented in these early files is far more sinister.
Speaker 1: They weren't making jokes.
Speaker 2: No, they were deeply menacing figures. The psychological tactics used
by this individual are what make the encounter so chilling.
He doesn't knock on the door and asks to come
inside for a chat. He instructs Doll to follow him
to his car and they drive in silence to a
diner into Coma.
Speaker 1: Removing him from his safe space exactly.
Speaker 2: This transition to a neutral, public, yet isolating space is
where the intimidation formally.
Speaker 1: Begins, and the way he starts the intimidation is just bizarre.
They sit down in a booth at this diner. The
stranger orders a full breakfast for himself, a plate of waffles.
The food arrives steaming hot, and then the stranger just
sits there. He doesn't eat, He never touches a single
bite of the food, He doesn't drink the coffee. He
just stares across the table at all. It's such an
incredibly specific, strange power move. Why do that?
Speaker 2: It is a textbook interrogation and intimidation technique. You order
the food to establish a baseline of normalcy, but by
refusing to engage with it, you subvert that normal sea.
Speaker 1: It throws the target off balance.
Speaker 2: It signals to the target that the standard rules of
social engagement do not apply here. The stranger is demonstrating
that he is entirely, singularly focused on dismantling the reality
of the person sitting across from him. He is establishing
absolute dominance over the environment.
Speaker 1: And it gets worse because the stranger knows absolutely everything.
He already knows Harold's full name, his wife's name, his
son's name, where they live, what they.
Speaker 2: Do, total situational awareness.
Speaker 1: He knows every granular detail about the incident on the
water the day before. He knows the exact shape of
the craft, the specific nature of the molten debris, the
severe burn on Charles's arm, and the death of Sparky
the dog. He even knew that Harold had run the
boat aground and was hiding in a specific patch of
trees on the island watching the craft leave.
Speaker 2: Which forces us to ask a deeply uncomfortable logistical question,
How could anyone government or otherwise possibly possess that level
of granular operational intelligence within twenty four hours of an
event occurring in an isolated body of water.
Speaker 1: Right there's no internet, no satellite surveillance, no cell phones.
Speaker 2: The stranger leverages this seemingly impossible knowledge to issue a direct,
unambiguous threat. He tells Harold in no uncertain terms, to
keep completely quiet about what he saw on Puget Sound
or bad things will happen to him and his family.
Speaker 1: It's a mafia style threat.
Speaker 2: It is a highly sophisticated application of psychological warfare designed
to isolate, terrify, and silence a civilian target.
Speaker 1: But Harold Dahl, maybe he's just stubborn, or maybe he's
fueled by anger over his son being burned and his
dog being killed, completely ignores the threat. He refuses to
be bullied by a guy in a suit who won't
eat his waffles.
Speaker 2: A brave but dangerous decision.
Speaker 1: Doll talks. He talks to his family, he talks to
his friends, and most importantly, he talks to the local press.
The story hits the papers and immediately, literally within days,
the stranger's threats materialize in the most horrific, systematic ways imaginable.
Speaker 2: The retaliation outlined in the source material is swift, multi pronged,
and devastating. First, Dol's fifteen year old son, Charles, the
one who is burned by the debris, simply vanishes, just disappears.
He disappears without a trace for weeks. The family is
frantic when Charles is finally located. He is hundreds of
miles away in Montana, working as a buzzboy in a
roadside diner, and he's not right. He is suffering from severe,
profound amnesia. He has no memory of who he is,
where he came from, or how he managed to cross
multiple state lines with no money. And if that wasn't enough,
Shortly after being brought back home, Charles is struck by
a car in what appears to be a targeted hit
and run.
Speaker 1: I mean, the statistical and probability of all of that
happening organically is zero. It's unbelievable. And the retaliation doesn't
stop with Charles. Harold's wife suddenly falls inexplicably serially ill.
Right at the same time, at the exact same time,
his salvage business is systematically targeted. His boats are severely vandalized,
his equipment is ruined, and his livelihood is practically destroyed overnight.
The family is subjected to constant, looming threats.
Speaker 2: The message is received loud and clear, talk and we
will dismantle every aspect of your life.
Speaker 1: And the pressure finally breaks him. Harold Dahl officially goes
to the authorities plus and he completely recans his entire story.
He publicly states that the UFO encounter, the raining metal,
the dead dog, all of it was just a massive,
elaborate hoax he made up for attention.
Speaker 2: And this is where the historical documentation provides a massive
paradigm shifting revelation because on the surface, Doll claiming it
was a hoax neatly ties up the incident for the
general public.
Speaker 1: The newspapers print the retraction, people shake their heads, and
the story goes away.
Speaker 2: However, the source material introduces a highly classified, now declassified
FBI document that absolutely shatters that official narrative. It is
a memorandum written by Special Agent Jack Wilcox, sent directly
to the desk of FBI Director J Edgar Hoover.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about the Jack Wilcox memo because this
completely flips the script. But let me play devil's advocate here.
If Dall went to the press and publicly confessed he
made the whole thing up, doesn't that just kill the story?
Why did the FBI keep investigating? And why is an
agent writing directly to Jaeger Hoover about a confessed hoaxer.
Speaker 2: That is the exact paradox the memo addresses. Willcox explicitly
writes to Hoover that Harold Dahl didn't actually admit to
a hoax during his private FBI interrogation. He didn't no.
Willcox reports that Dahl told the federal agents he was
simply going to call it a hoax publicly because he
was utterly terrified for his family's safety. The memo states
that Dahl explicitly told the FBI he would rather be
known as a liar to the general public than continue
to deal with a horrific harassment and physical danger his
family was enduring. Wow privately, behind closed doors with the FBI,
both Harold Doll and Fred Crisman fiercely and consistently maintained
that the UFO sighting and the reigning metal were completely
one hundred percent real.
Speaker 1: That is massive. That memo fundamentally alters the historical record
of this event. It proves that the highest levels of
the investigative bodies, the FBI and as we will see,
military intelligence, knew for a fact that the primary witness
was being intimidated into a false confession.
Speaker 2: They were fully aware.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a hoax, it was an active cover up
facilitated by brutal witness tampering, and they just let it happen.
Speaker 2: They didn't just let it happen. They monitored the fallout.
And this leads us directly into the escalation of that
cover up. Because despite dal backing away publicly to save
his family, his business partner, Fred Chrisman, absolutely refuses to
stay quiet.
Speaker 1: Chrismin seems completely impervious to the intimidation tactics.
Speaker 2: He pushes forward aggressively.
Speaker 1: Chrismin is a total bulldog about this. He decides that
if the local authorities won't help, he needs to go national.
He reaches out to a man named Ray Palmer. Palmer
was the editor of a wildly popular magazine out of
Chicago called Amazing Stories.
Speaker 2: A massive publication at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah The magazine focused on science fiction, the paranormal, and
the burgeoning brand new UFO phenomenon. Palmer gets Chrisman's letter,
complete with a small sample of the metallic slag, and
he's deeply intrigued. He decides to send his top investigator
out to Tacoma to look in to it personally.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't just send anybody, right.
Speaker 1: He sends a guy named Kenneth Arnold.
Speaker 2: To understand the gravity of that choice, you have to
understand who Kenneth Arnold was in the summer of nineteen
forty seven. Arnold is a monumental foundational figure in aerospace
and unexplained phenomena history. He's the guy why because just
three days after the Marial Island incident, three days after
Dahl saw the donuts, Kenneth Arnold was flying his private
plane near Mount Rainier in Washington. During that flight, he
witnessed a string of nine highly reflective crescent shaped objects
flying in formation at incredible supersonic.
Speaker 1: Speech, and he gave them a very specific name.
Speaker 2: When he landed, he described their erratic skipping motion to
reporters by saying they flew like a saucer wood if
you skipped it across the.
Speaker 1: Water, which is literally where the term flying saucer comes from.
The press took his description of their motion and applied
it to their shape. Kenneth Arnold coined the term without
even meaning to so.
Speaker 2: By the time Ray Palmer asks him to go to
Tacoma a few weeks later, Kenneth Arnold is already a
massive national celebrity. He is the Flying Saucer Guy.
Speaker 1: Arnold agrees to investigate. He flies to Tacoma on July
twenty ninth, and he brings along another credible witness, United
Airlines Captain E. J. Smith, a commercial pilot who had
also seen UFOs while flying his passenger route that summer.
Speaker 2: So you have two highly experienced, highly credible pilots arriving
to investigate Doll and Chrisman. They arranged to meet at
the Winthrop Hotel in downtown Tacoma to examine the physical evidence.
Speaker 1: The initial meeting goes as expected. Arnold and Captain Smith
examined the metallic debris Chrismin brings them. Arnold notes in
his personal logs that the metal itself looks somewhat ordinary,
perhaps resembling industrial slag from a smelting plant, but it's
exceptionally heavy.
Speaker 2: However, the totality of the story, the corroborated burn marks
and the teenager. The photographs and Chrisman's absolute insistence compel
Arnold to dig deeper.
Speaker 1: But it's what happens inside that hotel room later that
night that shifts the narrative from a localized mystery into
a highly sophisticated espionage operation.
Speaker 2: It becomes a spy story.
Speaker 1: Okay, so picture this scene. It's late at night. Arnold
and Captain Smith are in their room at the wind
Prop Hotel. They've spent hours interviewing Chrisman. They're totally exhausted,
and they're getting ready for bed. Suddenly, the phone in
the room rings.
Speaker 2: Always ominous.
Speaker 1: It's a local reporter named Ted Morello from United Press International.
Morello tells Arnold he has an anonymous source who is
feeding him every single detail of Arnold and Smith's private conversations,
every detail, and to prove he's not bluffing, Morello recites
back to them names, times, and exact descriptions of the
UFOs that they had only discussed in the strict, sealed
privacy of that hotel room.
Speaker 2: The reaction from Captain Smith is entirely understandable for his
civilian pilot, who suddenly realizes he's being hunted. The source notes,
he grabbed the phone from Arnold, shouted a string of
obscenities at the reporter, and slammed the receiver down.
Speaker 1: I would have been the exact same thing, but the.
Speaker 2: Terrifying implication sinks in immediately they realize they are caught
in the middle of an active, highly technical surveillance operation.
They physically tear the hotel room apart, sweeping for listening devices.
Speaker 1: They checked behind paintings, under the bed, inside the lamps.
Speaker 2: They don't find any traditional bugs initially, but it's later
discovered by investigators that the hotel rooms built in intercom
system had been deliberately professionally rewired and converted into a live,
continuous microphone.
Speaker 1: Someone with advanced technical expertise was actively monitoring every breath
they took. Yes, but wait, if they didn't know Arnold
was coming until the last minute, how did they have
time to wire the room?
Speaker 2: That is the most chilling part of the logistics. They
did know he was coming, right.
Speaker 1: The sources say that when Kenneth Arnold initially arrived into Coma,
he found that all the major hotels in the city
were completely booked solid because of a convention.
Speaker 2: But miraculously the Winthrop Hotel had a premium room pre
registered and waiting specifically under his name.
Speaker 1: Arnold just assumed his editor, Ray Palmer, had called ahead
and booked it for him as a favor. He later
found out Palmer had done no such thing.
Speaker 2: Someone else, someone with advance knowledge of his travel plans,
booked a specific room, wired the intercom to act as
a covert listening device, and gently steered Arnold right into
the trap when he arrived looking for a bed.
Speaker 1: The Paranoi at this point is just off the charts.
Arnold realizes he's way out of his depth. He's a
private pilot, not a sky He decides he needs heavy
hitters federal authority to look at this operation.
Speaker 2: He calls for backup, so he.
Speaker 1: Picks up the phone and calls two trusted military intelligence
officers he knows, Captain William Davidson and Lieutenant Frank Brown.
Speaker 2: Davidson and Brown were not standard infantry officers. They were
intelligence specialists stationed at Hamilton Field in California, specifically tasked
by the military with investigating unexplained aerial phenomena for the
Fourth Air Force.
Speaker 1: When Arnold calls them in a panic, they immediately requisition
a military aircraft and arrive in Tacoma two days later.
Speaker 2: However, when Arnold informs these seasoned intelligence officers about the
highly sophisticated bugging of his hotel room, interestingly, the officers
aren't particularly surprised or worried.
Speaker 1: They brush it off, which ironically only heightens Arnold's growing
sense of deep paranoia.
Speaker 2: Harold Dahl, who has already had his son brainwash and
his dog killed, wants absolutely nothing to do with the military.
He is thoroughly terrified and refuses to speak with Davidson and.
Speaker 1: Brown, but Fred Chrisman Chrismin is more than eager. He
sits down with Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown in the
bugged hotel room and goes through an hour's long exhaustive interview,
detailing the craft, the explosion, the debris, everything, and as the.
Speaker 2: Meeting wraps up, Chrismin hands over the physical proof.
Speaker 1: He gives the military officers thirty heavy, jagged pieces of
the metallic UFO debris. And I have to pause here because,
in one of the bizarre, distinctly human details that you
just cannot makeup, Chrismin didn't have a secure lock box. No,
he didn't, so he packs these heavy, potentially history altering
extraterrestrial artifacts into a sturdy Kellogg's cornflakes box.
Speaker 2: It is an absurd visual, but it highlights the improvised
nature of civilian involvement in these early classified events. The
intelligence officers conclude their interview, secure the serial box containing
the anomalous slag, and leave the Winthrop Hotel. Shortly after midnight.
Speaker 1: They drive to nearby McCord Air Base, where they have
a massive B twenty five Mitchell bomber waiting on the tarmac.
Speaker 2: At roughly one point thirty in the morning, their B
twenty five takes off into the dark sky, heading back
to their base in California to analyze the evidence.
Speaker 1: And this is where the thread turns lethal. According to
the official military timeline and the source files, roughly two
hours into the flight, a catastrophic sudden event occurs.
Speaker 2: The left engine of the B twenty five bomber unexpectedly
catches fire.
Speaker 1: The flames spread rapidly. Captain Davidson, an experienced pilot, desperately
attempts to stabilize the massive aircraft, while Lieutenant Brown orders
their two enlisted crewmen to strap on their parachutes and
bail out of the burning plane.
Speaker 2: The two crewmen managed to eject. They parachute down through
the dark and land safely in the wilderness.
Speaker 1: But the investigators, Davidson and Brown, do not make it out.
The bomber plummets and crashes deep into the dense woods
near Kelso, Washington. Both intelligence officers are killed on impact
in the fiery wreckage.
Speaker 2: It is an absolute tragedy, but the aftermath of the
crash is what solidifies the conspiratorial nature of the Marie
Island incident. The military immediately deploys recovery teams into the woods.
Speaker 1: They secure the perimeter, extinguish the wreckage, and recover the
bodies of Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown.
Speaker 2: But guess what is completely conspicuously missing from the meticulously searched.
Speaker 1: Wreckage The cornflakes box.
Speaker 2: Yes, the thirty pieces of anomalous UFO debris, the sole
physical evidence of the Marie Island encounter, are gone, without
a trace, just vanished. Now.
Speaker 1: The official military report eventually comes out and claims the
crash was simply a tragic mechanical failure of the left engine.
Case closed right.
Speaker 2: But the local press in Washington is hearing something completely
different from their sources.
Speaker 1: Paul Lance, a seasoned reporter for the Tacoma Times, publishes
an absolute bombshell of an article. He manages to release
the names of the dead military officers before the Pentagon
even officially announces them, and.
Speaker 2: In the article he reports that a highly placed, anonymous
military intelligence source told him the Become five didn't suffer
a mechanical engine fire.
Speaker 1: The source claim the bomber was deliberately shot out of
the sky by a twenty millimeters cannon to destroy the
evidence on board.
Speaker 2: The fallout from the B twenty five crash and the
subsequent newspaper article is immense. You suddenly have the FBI,
the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and military brass
swarming toa COMA. J.
Speaker 1: Edgar Hoover is personally receiving daily memos on the situation.
Speaker 2: In fact, Hoover classifies the entire Moury Island and B
twenty five crash investigation under a brand new file designation
Security Matter X. As historians note, this is the literal,
documented paper trail origin of the FBI's X files.
Speaker 1: The pressure on everyone involved is absolutely crushing. It's during
this exact window of intense federal scrutiny that doll fully recants,
and suddenly even the bulldog Fred Chrisman publicly claims the
whole thing was just a practical joke that got out
of hand.
Speaker 2: Even as they are privately desperately insisting to the FBI
that it was real, they tell the public.
Speaker 1: It's fake, and the body count just continues to rise.
Remember Paul Lance, the reporter who published the story claiming
the plane was shot down by a twenty millimeter cannon.
Speaker 2: Shortly after publishing that explosive front page story, Lance dies
of sudden aggressive meningitis.
Speaker 1: He was only twenty nine years old, in perfect health,
and doctors at the time were never able to determine
the actual cause or origin of the infection, and.
Speaker 2: The institutional erasure continues. Roughly a year after Lance's death,
the entire Tacoma Times newspaper, a well established publication, inexplicably
folds and goes out of business entirely.
Speaker 1: It's like someone or some extremely powerful, well funded group
was systematically tying up every single loose end, no matter
how messy it got. Fred Chrisman is suddenly unexpectedly recalled
to active military service and immediately shipped off to a
remote base in Alaska.
Speaker 2: Carol Dahl completely disappears from the Tacoma public record. The
slate is wiped entirely clean.
Speaker 1: It's breathtaking when you pull back and look at the
totality of it. We have a supposed hoax about a
flying doughnut dropping logging debris that somehow results in a
murdered family dog, a kidnapped and brainwashed teenager, a professionally
bugged hotel room, a fiery military bomber crash, two dead
intelligence officers, vanished physical evidence, and a dead journalist.
Speaker 2: If we synthesize the threads of just this first half
of the story, the assertion that this was a simple
hoax fabricated by two local men looking for a quick
payday from a science fiction magazine completely collapses under the
weight of the institution response.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't go to these links for a hoax exactly.
Speaker 2: The FBI, military intelligence, and sophisticated surveillance operatives do not
expand this staggering level of political capital, operational budget, or
body count on a fabricated story about industrial slag, which
forces us analytically to look much much closer at the
man standing right at the center of the storm, calmly,
surviving at all, Fred Chrisman.
Speaker 1: Let's absolutely peel the onion on Fred Chrisman, because if
you thought he was just a regular guy, a harbor
patrolman who happened to see something weird over Puges down
and got in over his head, the declassified documents are
about to blow your mind.
Speaker 2: Chrismin was not a regular civilian.
Speaker 1: The sources reveal his actual resume, and it is staggering.
During World War Two, Fred Christman was a highly decorated
elite fighter pilot. He flew two hundred and eleven combat missions, but.
Speaker 2: More importantly, for a thread. In nineteen forty two, his
unique skill set was recognized and he was recruited by
the OSS the Office of Strategic Services.
Speaker 1: For those unfamiliar with the intelligence lineage. The OSS was
the United States premier intelligence agency formed during World War Two,
directed by wild Bill Donovan.
Speaker 2: It was responsible for espionage, sabotage, and subversion behind enemy lines.
It is the direct structural predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 1: When the OSS was dissolved after the war and the
CIA was formally established, highly capable operatives like Fred Chrisman,
didn't just go back to civilian life. They transitioned seamlessly
into the new clandestine agency, and thanks.
Speaker 2: To a trove of declassified files known to researchers as
the Easy Papers, we now know exactly what Fred Christman's
specific job title and function was within that apparatus.
Speaker 1: He was classified as an extended agent specializing in career
disruption and internal security.
Speaker 2: A career disruption agent.
Speaker 1: What does that even mean on a practical day to
day basis. It sounds like an HR term, but we
are talking about spies.
Speaker 2: According to the files, his primary operational training was slanted
toward disruption, infiltration, and cyclo logical warfare entirely inside the
borders of the United States.
Speaker 1: He wasn't parachuting into Soviet territory.
Speaker 2: No, he was a professional saboteur operating on American soil
against domestic targets. The documents show he ran multiple businesses
that existed strictly on paper shell companies with no products,
no services, no actual employees.
Speaker 1: He was essentially a bag man, moving massive amounts of
unfaceable dark money to fund off the books operations. In fact,
in nineteen sixty six, FBI informants actually tracked Chrisman moving
one hundred thousand dollars in cash into California, and.
Speaker 2: Despite knowing about it, the FBI deliberately looked the other
way and allowed the transfer to happen.
Speaker 1: Beyond the financial logistics, his role involved profound, aggressive political espionage.
The declassified documents indicate he gathered intelligence on American politicians, judges,
and civic leaders and submitted over one thousand detailed reports
directly to his handlers at the CIA.
Speaker 2: His job was to feed deeply damaging, often entirely fabricated
disinformation to political opponents in order to ruin careers, swing elections,
and control legislative outcomes.
Speaker 1: He was a professional architect of chaos, and crucially for
our understanding of the broader thread, the sources identify him
as a chaos agent working specifically on behalf of the
Boeing Company, a massive foundational player in the military industrial
complex based right there in Seattle.
Speaker 2: He was allegedly carrying out aggressive corporate espionage and neutralizing
political or legislative threats to the company's lucrative defense contracts.
Speaker 1: So, when we take that resume spy, saboteur, corporate fixer,
psychological war for expert and apply it back to Maury Island.
It completely recontextualizes the entire nineteen forty seven UFO incident.
Speaker 2: Harold Dahl might have been a genuine, innocent witness who
stumbled into something terrifying over the water, but his partner,
Fred Kritzman was a literal CIA chaos agent.
Speaker 1: So we have to ask, was Chrisman running a massive
psychological operation on the American public to test how rumors spread?
Was he actively helping in intelligence agencies protect a real
recovered extraterrestrial technology by muddying the waters with the hoax narrative.
Speaker 2: Or was the UFO itself an early, highly classified military test,
perhaps a Boeing project that Christmin was brought in to
aggressively cover up.
Speaker 1: Whatever the actual truth of the physical objects in the sky,
Chrisman's undeniable presence guarantees that the cover up was not
a clumsy military mistake, but a highly organized federal intelligence operation.
Speaker 2: And that operational network, the shadow structure that so effectively
covered up Marie Island, silenced witnesses, and managed the press
in nineteen forty seven, did not simply vanish when the
headlines faded.
Speaker 1: It went dormant, adapting, evolving, and entrenching itself deeper into
the government apparatus throughout the Cold War.
Speaker 2: Which brings us to the most massive geopolitical shift in
the narrative. We need to jump forward sixteen years, leaving
the chilly waters of Puget Sound in nineteen forty seven
and dropping directly into the boiling political cauldron of Washington,
d C. In nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 1: President John F. Kennedy is in the Oval Office, and
according to the historical documentation, he is making strategic executive
moves that are absolutely terrifying the entrenched intelligence agencies and
military establishment.
Speaker 2: To say that JFK and the CIA leadership despised each
other his putting it mildly. Following the disastrous, embarrassing failure
of the CIA backed Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba,
Kennedy was furious about being lied to by his own
intelligence chiefs.
Speaker 1: He famously declared to his advisors that he wanted to
splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it
to the winds.
Speaker 2: He didn't just talk about it, he took action. He
fired the incredibly powerful director of the CIA, Alan Dulles,
but Kennedy was going much further than just internal administrative
house claning.
Speaker 1: The sources detail how he was secretly behind the backs
of the Pentagon, engaging in back channel peace talks with
Soviet Premier Nikita Krushtev. They were actively discussing unprecedented cooperation,
ending the nuclear brinkmanship of the Cold War, and incredibly
starting a joint US Soviet space program to explore the
Moon together, pooling their resources instead of fighting over them.
Speaker 2: To the hardline vehemently anti communist factions deeply embedded within
the CIA, the Pentagon, and the sprawling network of black
ops operatives like Fred Chrisman, Kennedy's diplomatic overtures weren't just
viewed as bad foreign policy.
Speaker 1: They were viewed as literal existential treason.
Speaker 2: They believed with absolute conviction that Kennedy was dismantling the
security apparatus of the nation, showing weakness, and actively handing
the strategic advantage to the Soviets.
Speaker 1: But according to our sources, the tension between the Oval
Office and the Shadow State reached a breaking point over
one specific, highly classified issue, the ultimate disclosure of the
UFO secret.
Speaker 2: This is the Bombshells the entire timeline.
Speaker 1: The sources highlight two heavily classified memos that President Kennedy
drafted and issued on November twelfth, nineteen sixty three. I
want you, the listener, to stop and look at a
calendar in your mind. November twelfth, nineteen sixty three, is
exactly ten days before the assassination in Dallas.
Speaker 2: Ten days Kennedy issues National Security Action Memorandum two seventy one.
Speaker 1: In this document, he demands the immediate orderly declassification of
all UFO intelligence files affecting national security. He explicitly instructs
the new CIA director to prepare a comprehensive program to
share this highly classified UFODA data the CIA had been
hoarding since nineteen forty seven with NASA and ultimately with
the Soviet Union as part of their new Joint Space
Exploration initiative.
Speaker 2: Let's analyze the enemy's list that this single memorandum instantly activates.
First and foremost, you have Alan Dolles.
Speaker 1: Though formally fired by Kennedy, Dulles still commanded immense loyalty
and wielded unparalleled power within the intelligence shadow state.
Speaker 2: Dollas had personally overseen the government's UFO cover up machinery
since its inception in nineteen forty seven. He was directly
involved in managing the operational fallout of the Maury Island incident,
the Roswell crash, and the establishment of the psychological warfare
campaigns against the public regarding flying saucers.
Speaker 1: Dulles's new execs exactly what deeply paradigm shifting, potentially non
human technology the government was hiding in its black vaults.
Speaker 2: To Devile's and his loyalists, a sitting president demanding unfettered
access to the biggest, most heavily guarded secret in human history,
purely to hand it over to America's greatest nuclear enemy
was an apocalyptic scenario. It simply could not be allowed
to happen.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the ideological Zela who wanted Kennedy gone.
It was the money. The financial stakes were astronomical. The
military industrial complex was already furious with Kennedy over his
defense spending decisions.
Speaker 2: The defense industry relies entirely on conflict and the threat
of conflict. A joint space program in peace with Russia
is terrible for the defense business.
Speaker 1: Furthermore, Kennedy had just awarded the largest, most lucrative defense
deal in history, the TFX Tactical Fighter Jet contract to
a company called General Dynamics.
Speaker 2: The TFX contract is crucial context. This wasn't a standard
procurement order. The Tactical Fighter Experimental program was designed to
produce thousands of advanced aircraft for both the Navy and
the Air Force. It was worth billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Everyone in the intelligence and defense sectors absolutely expected that
massive fortune to go to Boeing. Boeing had the better design,
and they had the political infrastructure in place.
Speaker 2: But political maneuvering, likely tied to Vice President Lyndon Johnson's
Texas connections, swung the massive contract to General Dynamics.
Speaker 1: Yes, the exact same Boeing that employed Fred Chrisman as
a corporate chaos agent. By trying to end the Cold
War and by shifting defense spending away from the established
power players, JFK was costing Boeing, the CIA, and their
network of powerful political allies billions upon billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: And for an operative like Chrisman, whose job it was
to neutralize threats to Boeing, Kennedy had just become the
ultimate threat.
Speaker 1: You have a convergence of extreme, highly motivated motives, deep
ideological hatred of Kennedy's perceived softness on communism, massive defense
industry greed over the TFX contract, and the excess ciential
threat of exposing a sixteen year, highly illegal covert cover
up of non human technology.
Speaker 2: The narrative constructed by the sources asserts that a lethal
cabal was assembled to solve the Kennedy problem. Disgruntled CIA operatives,
anti Castro Cuban exiles who felt abandoned after the Bay
of Pigs, mobsters facing federal prosecution, and corporate fixers.
Speaker 1: And the geographic hub chosen to plan, fund, and launch
this massive operation was New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Right. New Orleans in nineteen sixty three was the perfect
stating ground. It was geographically close to Latin America and Cuba,
the local political and police authorities were notoriously corrupt and
easy to buy off, and the city was crawling with
anti communists CIA linked operatives moving guns and money.
Speaker 1: And who runs the primary bustling hub of this illicit
activity in New Orleans a man named Guy Banister. Now,
if you are paying attention to the threads we've been weaving,
that name should make your jaw drop.
Speaker 2: It is the connective tissue that ties the aras together.
In nineteen forty seven, Guy Banister was the l lead
FBI agents stationed in Idaho, actively investigating regional UFO crashes
and coordinating directly with military intelligence on the suppression of
the Maury Island incident.
Speaker 1: He was a foundational piece of the original cover up apparatus.
Speaker 2: By nineteen sixty three, Banister has officially left the FBI
and is running what appears on paper to be a
standard private investigation business.
Speaker 1: In New Orleans, but as the sources vividly detail, it
wasn't a standard PI firm finding lost husbands. Witnesses reported
seeing heavy wooden crates of military grade weapons, explosives, and
radios being constantly moved through Banister's office building.
Speaker 2: He was actively outfitting, training and funding anti Castrow pairamilitaries
for Black Ops raids into Cuba.
Speaker 1: And who has spotted making multiple highly secret trips to
Guy Banister's heavily armed office in New Orleans. In the
summer of nineteen sixty three, Fred Chrisman.
Speaker 2: The Maury Island chaos agent, is reactivated and back in play.
Multiple credible witnesses placed Chrisman at Banister's office on several occasions,
meeting behind closed doors with other known conspirators and paramilitary leaders.
Speaker 1: Some sources allowed she was functioning in his role as
a bagman, delivering massive sums of untraceable corporate or intelligence
cache to fund the operation.
Speaker 2: Others suggest an even more bizarre link that he was
delivering highly classified documents to Banister regarding a UFO crash
and metallic debried that didn't match known aircraft, Perhaps the
very Maury Island files Banister originally helped suppress being used
now as leverage or planning material.
Speaker 1: But the most chilling detail, the absolute undeniable smoking gun
of locations in this entire story, revolves around the physical
architecture of Banister's office.
Speaker 2: Let me break down the geography of this because.
Speaker 1: It's wild guy. Banister's detective agency, where all the CIA
assets and weapons are moving through, was officially located at
five thirty one Lafayette Street in New Orleans. However, the
building was situated squarely on a street corner, and it
possessed a second, separate entrance around the side of the
building with an entirely mailing address.
Speaker 2: That second entrance address was five forty four Camp Street.
Speaker 1: Five forty four Camp Street. For historians and researchers of
the jfk assassination, that specific address is the rosetta stone
of the conspiracy, because five forty four Camp Street is
the exact address aggressively stamped on the pro Castro Communist
fair Play for Cuba leaflets that were being handed out
on the streets of New Orleans by a young, seemingly
radicalized man named Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 2: Let that sink in Yeah. The FBI agent who covered
up UFOs in nineteen forty seven, the CIA chaos agent
from Maury Island, and the man accused of being a
lone communist nut who killed the president are all operating
out of the exact same physical building at the exact
same time.
Speaker 1: Banister is running anti communist gun running operations out of
the front door, and Oswald is running pro communist lethlet
campaigns out of the side door. It's an obvious intelligence front.
Speaker 2: The sources leverage this incredible geographical connection to systematically dismantle
the official Warren Commission narrative surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald. The
historical documents kund of compelling picture of Oswald not as
a random disaffected civilian who simply got lucky, but as
a deeply embedded, highly managed intelligence asset.
Speaker 1: Let's look at his military record. Oswald wasn't just a
standard infantry marine. He was an aviation electronics operator, and
he was stationed at Naval Air Facility at Sugi in Japan.
Speaker 2: And Tugi wasn't just a regular base where guy's peeled potatoes.
Atsugi was one of the most highly classified, sensitive intelligence
installations in the world at that time.
Speaker 1: It was the primary overseas home base for the CIA's
top secret U two spy plane program, incredibly advanced surveillance
technology that was directly developed out of the black budgets
at Area fifty one.
Speaker 2: To operate in that environment, Oswald required and possessed top
level crypto clearance. His daily job was to work on
the advanced radar systems, actively tracking the U two flights,
knowing their exact altitudes, flight patterns, and classified optical capabilities
as they flew missions over Soviet airspace.
Speaker 1: He was thoroughly skeeeped in a America's most sensitive surveillance tech.
Then the narrative takes a bizarre turn. In nineteen fifty nine,
Oswald supposedly defects to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: He marches into the American embassy in Moscow, dramatically renounces
his US citizenship and openly offers the Soviets military secrets,
secrets we know for a fact he possessed regarding the
utube program.
Speaker 1: And guess what happens. Shortly after Oswald hands over his
radar knowledge to the KGB, the Soviets, who previously couldn't
touch the high flying planes, miraculously managed to track and
shoot down an American U two spy plane piloted by
Franciscary Powers, causing a massive international incident.
Speaker 2: Oswald gave them the keys of the castle.
Speaker 1: But the true anomaly, the detail that absolutely shatters the
low nut theory, is his return to the United States
after two years living in the Soviet Union. Having offered
them classified radar data and essentially committing treason, Oswald decides
he wants to come home. In nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 2: Looking at standard Cold War protocols, a returning defector of
that magnetude it would face grueling, intense months long interrogation
by the CIA, likely followed by imprisonment or federal trees
in charges. It would involve incredibly complex hostile negotiations between
the State Department and intelligence agencies.
Speaker 1: But not Leeharvy Oswald. He Waltz is right back into
the United States completely bypassing all the normal defector scrutiny.
He isn't arrested, he isn't thrown in a dark cell.
Speaker 2: It gets crazier. The US State Department actually loans him
the money to pay for his travel expenses back to America,
and they immediately, without friction, grant an immigration visa for
his new Soviet born wife, Marina, whose uncle was a
colonel in the Soviet intelligence Services.
Speaker 1: Looking at this timeline from the sources, it certainly breaks
every standard protocol for a Cold War defector. Usually returning
means intense interrogation, but the sources point out Oswald received
travel loans and visa approvals almost immediately.
Speaker 2: The implication strongly put forward to by the documents is
that Oswald was never a real defector. He was a
false defector, a dangle sent into Russia by the CIA,
an intelligence asset managed by the very agencies operating out
of five point forty four Camp Street.
Speaker 1: He was doing a job, which brings us to the
tragic combination of these intersecting timelines. On November twenty second,
nineteen sixty three, President John F. Kennedy is assassinated as
his motorcade passes through Daley Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 2: With his death, the geopolitical landscape shifts instantly. The secret
piece talks with Khrushchev entirely die, the joint lunar space
program with the Soviets dies, the TFX contract remains safe, and.
Speaker 1: Most critically for the architects of this narrative, Kennedy's executive
order NSAM two seventy one d Trucknet to declassify and
share the UFO intelligence files completely dies. The incoming President,
Lyndon Johnson has no interest in sharing those secrets.
Speaker 2: The cover up is secured, but the immediate chaotic aftermath
in Daley Plaza provides one of the most tantalizing visual
clues connecting everything back to the Puget Sound in nineteen
forty seven.
Speaker 1: Within minutes of the fatal shots being fired, Dallas police
swarm the area. They arrest three men who were found
hiding in a box car on the railroad tracks directly
behind the infamous Grassy Knoll. These men are marched through
the plaza by police, and they become known in assassination
lore as the three Tramps.
Speaker 2: The police initially claimed they were just homeless hobos who
happened to be sleeping on the train, but when the
press photographs of the arrests surfaced and were analyzed years later,
researchers were absolutely stunned.
Speaker 1: The visual evidence contradicts the official police report. These men
do not look like transients who have been sleeping rough
on trains. They are clean, shaven, well fed, and wearing
fresh clothes and relatively nice shoes.
Speaker 2: They possessed the distinct bearing of intelligence operatives wearing a clumsy,
hasty disguise to blend into a raw yard.
Speaker 1: For decades, independent researchers and historians have endlessly analyzed these photos.
Suspects for the true identities of the tramps have included
famous documented CIA operatives and future Watergate burglars like e.
Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, or even the notorious mob
contract killer Charles Harrelson.
Speaker 2: But it is the third Tramp, the older, taller man
wearing a battered fedora, walking behind the other two, who
holds our attention for this thread.
Speaker 1: Facial recognition analyzes, biometric comparisons, and exhaustive historical researchers have
pointed out a striking, almost undeniable physiological resemblance between that
third tramp and Fred Crisman.
Speaker 2: The visual similarity is compelling, but it is the subsequent
legal paper trail that truly binds Chrisman to the assassination aftermath.
It isn't just a photograph that ties him to Dallas.
Speaker 1: Years later, in nineteen sixty seven, the fiercely independent New
Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison launches the only criminal investigation
ever brought to trial in a court of law for
the murder of JFK.
Speaker 2: Garrison bypasses the federal narrative and arrests a wealthy, highly
connected New Orleans businessman named Clay Shaw, accusing him of
being a covert CIA asset who helped finance and plan
the assassination alongside Guy Banister.
Speaker 1: And here's the detail that blew my mind. When clay
Shaw is arrested by Garrison, booked into jail and allowed
his one constitutionally protected phone call, who do you think
he calls?
Speaker 2: He's a wealthy man. He doesn't call his high powered
defense attorney. He doesn't call his family or a business partner.
Speaker 1: Clayshaw uses his one phone call from jail to dial
Fred Chrisman.
Speaker 2: The connective tissue between the players is undeniable. At that point.
A man accused of killing the president uses his emergency
lifeline to call the Chaos agent from Maury Island.
Speaker 1: Based on that connection, Jim Garrison officially subpoenis Fred Chrisman,
forcing him to travel to New Orleans to testify before
the grand jury regarding his knowledge of the assassination plot.
Speaker 2: The transcripts of that grand jury testimony show Chrismin provably
lying under oath to protect the operation. He swore to
the jury he had never been to New Orleans prior
to nineteen sixty six, Despite multiple eyewitnesses and travel records
placing him squarely in guy Banister's office with Clayshaw in
nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 1: He flatly denied knowing clay Shaw or guy Banister. Garrison
deeply suspected that Fred Chrisman was not just a logistical
planner or a bagman, but that he was actively on
the grassy knoll that day and perhaps even pulled a
trigger from behind the picket fence.
Speaker 2: But Garrison couldn't definitively prove it in court, and honestly,
how could he. He was a local municipal district attorney
trying to prosecute a highly classified, deeply entrenched federal intelligence
operation in a legal system effectively run by the very
assets he was investigating.
Speaker 1: Witnesses died, evidence disappeared, files were classified. Chrisman was eventually
dismissed and never charged. Clay Shaw was acquitted by the jury,
though years later, declassified CIA files finally admitted that Shaw
was in fact a highly valued long term agency asset,
exactly as Jim Garrison had claimed all along.
Speaker 2: And finally, we must examine the ultimate mechanism of the
cover up. Who was appointed to write the official history
of these events for the American public.
Speaker 1: When the government formed the Warren Commission to officially investigate
the assassination of the President. Who was appointed to the
commission to oversee the flow of an intelligence and steered
the investigation alan the list, The very man Kennedy had fired,
the man who oversaw the Maury Island UFO cover up machinery,
The man who had the absolute most to lose from
Kennedy's peace talks and his order to declassify the UFO files.
Speaker 2: Dullis essentially investigated himself, controlled what documents the other commissioners saw,
and ultimately concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone
nut with no intelligence ties, who committed the crime entirely
by himself.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate fox guarding the henhouse. And the thing
is even the people closest to the absolute center of
power knew the Warren Commission was a sham. Publicly, the
Kennedy family had to accept the Commission's findings to keep
the country stable during the Cold War.
Speaker 2: But privately, the sources note that Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy,
the president's own brother and the top law enforcement officer
in the country, called the Warren Commission's report a shoddy
piece of craftsmanship.
Speaker 1: According to his family in close aids. Rfk's immediate gut
instinct on the afternoon of November twenty second was that
the intelligence agency, the rogue elements of the CIA, had
killed his brother.
Speaker 2: And we all know the tragic, chilling fate that awaited
Robert F. Kennedy when he tried to run for president
a few years later, promising to reopen the investigation into
his brother's death.
Speaker 1: If we step back and synthesize all of these sprawling,
deeply connected threads we've discussed today, the overlapping historical connections
are staggering.
Speaker 2: The exact same men who are mobilizing military intelligence to
violently suppress the truth about a reigning doughnut shaped UFO
and Puget Sound in nineteen forty seven. Men like Allan
Dole's guide Banister and Fred Chrisman are the exact same
men intimately tied by geography, association and motive to the
geopolitical assassination of a sitting US president. In nineteen sixty three,
we see.
Speaker 1: The exact same brutal witness intimidation tactics, the same deep
ties to Boeing and the defense industry, the same shared
operational addresses in New Orleans, and the same absolute murderous
dedication to maintaining state secrets at all costs.
Speaker 2: So what does this all mean for you, the listener
navigating the world today.
Speaker 1: Whether Harold Dahl actually saw a fleet of extraterrestrial craft
off Moury Island or whether he saw a highly classified
terrestrial military tesk gone terribly wrong. The conspiracy that his
sighting activated was terrifyingly demonstrably real.
Speaker 2: The classification systems, the black budgets, and the rogue intelligence
agencies that mobilized to silence a fishermen and cover up
the slag on the beach in nineteen forty seven are
the exact same entities that operated in the shadows of
Deeley Plaza in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 1: And as our source material powerfully notes, these are the
exact same overarching structures operating in total secrecy today. They
constantly tell the public that their operations, their lies, and
their unchecked black budgets are necessary to protect America from
its enemies.
Speaker 2: But after looking at the paper trail of Fred Chrisman
and Alan Dulles, you really have to ask yourself are
they protecting the country or are they just ruthlessly protecting themselves,
their secrets and their grip on power.
Speaker 1: It's a profound paradigm shift. It requires us to critically
question the foundational narratives provided by authorities and to recognize
the deeply entrenched mechanisms of control that operate just beneath
the surface of recorded history.
Speaker 2: And that leaves us with one final, brand new thought
for you to chew On. As we wrap up this
exploration on thrilling threads.
Speaker 1: We've spent this entire time talking about the government covering
things up, but think about the corporate element. We discussed
Boeing the defense contractors. If the architecture of secrecy built
in nineteen forty seven is still running today, what happens
when the private aerospace companies, the massive defense contractors of
today eventually possess more advanced classified technology than the intelligence
agencies themselves.
Speaker 2: If a private corporation has the UFO debris, who regulates
the cover up? Then the government or the board of directors.
Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. What do you think
about the connections we've drawn today? Was John F. Kennedy
assassinated primarily over Cold War politics or was he killed
specifically to protect the biggest tech logical secret in human history?
And where do you stand on the photograph of the
three trams? Is that Fred Chrissman on the grassy Knoll?
Drop a comment and let us know your stance. Thank
you so much for tracing these thrilling friends with us.