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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Alien retrospect

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of our final film. In the Retrospective, I'm the clown

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Prince of Flutes Trust. Now I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I'm the Captain kerkle Patzer, I'm a Marcasterdomas the pathogen,

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tato Field the Pathogen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are here. As I said,

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this is the last film. You can go back if

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you're just jumping on now. For some reason, we did

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the first Alien, we dated Aliens, we did those you

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know sequels that maybe not another gracet, We did the

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crossover with a VP, and now last week we did Prometheus,

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the semi origin of the Alien. And then we got

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a little bit continuing here, whoa Krookland is getting taken

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right now by the engineers. Maybe turn that down a

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little bit, Yeah, you do whatever, So, but yes we're here,

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so you go back those and then there's still two

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coming up, like we said, side Quests Dylan and Taguman

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covering in Isolation, so check that out. And then we'll

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be doing a kind of comic book one where we're

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gonna talk about Predator versus Wolverine, Predator versus Black Panther

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Aliens versus what is it? Avengers and then the short

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film Faan made the classic one Batman Dead End where

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it's Batman versus Alien versus prior. Oh my, So that's

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a fun little things we've topp on the podcast. We'll

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do it there, but yeah, I'm gonna do a little

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bit differently because I feel like I'm gonna contextualize this

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review here. So we have this is where we're dipping

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our toes a little bit going forward right now. We

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did this with Deadpool and Logan just not too long ago,

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where there are movies that we said, hey, we won't

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do this until after five years, and it has been

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five years plus. It's something where okay, we record this

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on the old mic, so the audio maybe not, it

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is good, not good to re release and lotso have

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not seen this film since the first time, which we'll

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talk about interview. But to give you some context, this

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is all the way back to two thousand. Fuck at eighteen,

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look look at the look at young Taylor Field. I'll

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dressed up for the Golden Geek nominations. But to put

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this in preference for the Golden Geek nominations, we were

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doing nominees for the worst film, and we had Ghosts

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and the Shell Parts Caribbean. I oh god, what was

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Speaker 3: One called death no death note?

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Speaker 1: No no no no, no death note was separately the

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Pirates of Caribbean? Was that last one called with ed

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Speaker 1: Was that it di'montonotails? And then Jigsauce sucks? Okay, so

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I'm gonna guess Jigsaw might be won that year. We

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just put Austie. It's Jesu Austie. It's just Jigsaw, the

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Saw film. But then for that fifth slot, which it was.

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I watched a little bit of it, go check it out.

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think of another one was Alien Covenant. So I would

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now have thought we were reviewing a you know, worst film,

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Golden Geese contender, But here we are. I do have

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to do some fact checking because, much to Dylan and

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Briggs dismay, we did get David in for best Villain.

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So I don't know if that's ever happened where there's

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been a film that's got a worse picture. Well, we

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don't know, do them anymore? Just because near the end

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that category is really becoming nothing. It was just like

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we're throwing round stuff in like.

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Speaker 2: One movie, like yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'd have to go back and look at

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that history because I don't think it is. I think

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that you'd always have oh that was a write off,

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but you did have fastben or making his way in there.

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and I'm gonna say I don't know if it's a

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hot take, because told me some things. I if I

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had a time machine, would no longer put it in

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the worst film. I would not say this is a

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great movie. I still say I have issues. But for

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some reason, I enjoyed this a lot more than I

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did the first Girl Round, Maybe because I think a

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big thing for us and we'll get into it. I

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still wish we got the movie of David and Shaw

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and the exploration all that stuff right That to me

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was the movie. I was real more excited. So when

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plot and that plot gets answered in a two minute

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weird montage at the time, I think I was really pissed.

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how lame, and they didn't because of what I really

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liked about Prometheus. I feel like they didn't do with Covenant.

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did enjoy a lot more. And also, for some reason,

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remember this thing being a slog like I remember because

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this thing's only like an hour forty or something, but

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like this thing's taken forever. We're even this time. The

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scenes that I remember being solder like David, the caves

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and everything, it didn't feel as bad. So I can

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say I would pass this film. Now, I don't think

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I passed it in our original review if I gave it,

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if it was passed, it was like a five out

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of ten, but I could go higher or wait till

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the ending. But yeah, I was surprisingly more positive on

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this review. So now if anyone asked these questions, was like, hey,

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but I remember having disdained for this film, where now

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so many years later, has a lot of issues some

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really dumb moments. But I I could watch this again

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now and not feel like, oh, I'm just watching the series,

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can watch this now. So I was quite surprised. So

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that's my take on Alien Covenant in twenty twenty four,

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just wanted to get right to Covenant because I was like,

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man like, I just want to know like that drop off,

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like what's it like? And for me it wasn't as best.

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in the nuts, and then other situation someone says, hey

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about to kicking the nuts. At least you can tense

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block a little bit. So yeah, let's go next.

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Speaker 3: Still side say kicked to the nuts. It does, I'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Where I was living wherever, I was probably on the

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Prometheus ship with David, But yeah, this was much anticipated one.

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to probably like seven people total in my life that

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expectations that maybe what they had or where their bar

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quality of the CGI with like the alien and the

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face huggers, and this movie just looks really really stunning.

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introducing us to in Prometheus, and here I really don't

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just really really don't like that story decision, which is

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it's somewhere above like the middle. Like I think it's

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above average, and there is still things in here that

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see for our best bad guys. We had David, we

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had Penny Wise, we had Kylo Wren. I don't know

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Speaker 1: So this is fast ye right or not not us? Yeah, Taylor,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is an interesting one. I

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didn't listen to our review again or that Golden Geeks

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to hear what my thoughts were at the time, but

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I you know, I definitely remember really not like in

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this movie when we did the review. But yeah, it's

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one I've not ever rewant watched since then, and you know,

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on the feeds, as you mentioned there, Travis like did

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didn't really feel like I needed to. I don't feel

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like I would have really had any new or interesting takes,

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especially after it spin a while since I've seen Prometheus.

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even if I've already seen it before. But really all

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they did with a Fastbender and that was kind of

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where and like I can remember, you know, like specific

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scenes and whatnot, but for the most part, it's like, man,

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seven years has gone by, and like I'm feeling that,

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time ago and I've forgot a lot of it. And obviously

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I didn't like it, so I don't really think about

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it very much either, so I don't spend much my

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my brain energy to consider it over and over again.

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thirty minutes, I was like, man, I'm really enjoying this,

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turn here? Am I actually gonna end up liking this?

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When it's all said and done. But then it's just downhill.

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It is downhill. It is nose diving after that first

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thirty minutes there, and I think for me it kicked

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in when I saw fucking David with the long hair,

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looking like air Gorne and running through the woods and

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I'm like, I don't know, I already hate this and

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Speaker 1: The same place it did for you in the original too.

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where like I'm immediately don't like the vibe that we're

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going for here, and then it truly just yeah, nose

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dived from there. So yeah, I'm excited to break down

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some of that. I feel like with David and I

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want to have this discussion. I'm serret one's gonna go

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back to our review. I'm sure we had some of

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these same discussions, so I might be repeating myself here,

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but I feel like I just need some I need

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like an explainer on this guy's motives because I just

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I didn't find it very compelling or I didn't really

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understand even like why he's doing what he's doing. I

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think that's why it makes him not a very good villain, uh.

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the Seachye sucks in this movie. The aliens look awful

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and yeah, really bad. I think the acting comes and goes.

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totally forgot about that. I think for me, one of

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the weakest things is the main actress. What's her name,

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really really weak in this movie, and she's kind of

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the lead. She's in that Ripley spot or that Elizabeth

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Shaw spot, and that's where that that really didn't work

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for me. And then I like a couple of the

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other characters in there, Like I actually think Danny McBride,

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like he's he's he fits well in this even though

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he is known as a very comedic guy. And some

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of the other characters all bring up later so there

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are some moments there. But yeah, there's just there's very

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little to like about this movie for me. And even

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and like once again, just the questions I had from

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Prometheus again. You know, seven years later, I'm I'm left

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wanting so much more, like the sequence we spend in

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that ship that crashed, Like I thought watching this again,

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like Okay, they left it because like the storm and

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things are going wrong, but then we're gonna go back there,

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We're gonna get more information. But no, we never do that.

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We just spend the whole movie in David's little laboratory

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here and then the movie just kind of ends in

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a way that we've seen before. So yeah, this this

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movie sucks, and it still sucks seven years later, and

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I wish I felt differently, but man, this is a

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this is a real disappointment. Once again. It hurt me

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all over again.

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Speaker 4: Mister Field, Well, I think the last time I saw

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this movie was probably in theaters. Now that being said,

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and there was the extended scenes that they put out,

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which I was quite surprised that the Disney Plus version

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actually combined everything into the extended version, so you would

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have got scenes that were not in the theatrical release,

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like when it's the flashback of David arriving on the

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planet and he drops the path pathogen down that was

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not in the original scene.

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Speaker 2: You get that that was the the original it was.

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Speaker 1: Review because we were all pissed about it. Well, at

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least me, Dale and Briggs work.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the whole scene, but

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I like, I don't know if David. I'm sure David

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was there and the cutoup scene before, but that happened.

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Speaker 1: Because I think we weren't happy with daily the whole thing.

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Let's go find the engineers and what's the big hang up? Well,

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in a minute, they just killed the engineers and there's

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that storyline just gone. So that was definitely in the

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original cut.

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Speaker 4: What about the scene with Shaw because I feel like

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seeing her body carved out that I don't think that

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was an original too.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that was all in there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Disney Plus cut does not extended me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think you might be misrememrying in

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some stuff. I think there's some more Shaw stuff because

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like he has like five to ten minutes and they

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cut all that out and just let him be a

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burning body. Which is kind of funny. But yeah, no,

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that stuff was in the original.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. I think I would have given a lot

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lower score if that stuff wasn't in there, because I

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don't even like the resolute poorly answered yeah, at least

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it's in there, like okay, especially because we gonna get

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a third but yeah, that's definitely in there.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I feel like these movies, unfortunately, are just really Scott

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kind of redoing Alien in a way. He like he

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created the baseline for here's the egg, here's the impregnation,

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Here's the xenomorph that comes out of that. But now

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I just feel like he's just while he's building to that,

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I feel like he's also retconned it and just like,

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this is what I really wanted to do. This is

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a story I really wanted to tell him. Maybe that's

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the case, maybe he just didn't have the technology to

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tell this story back in the day, but.

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Speaker 1: I just reconded it at all. Though it's still the

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aliens being created in the like the first aliens just

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on the ship, I.

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Speaker 4: Feel like the story, just the alien in general, has

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just gotten the shaft because we got all of these,

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like it's so different from what he's trying to tell

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this new story as being where we have this pathogen

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that it's evolved into spores that eventually involved into giant

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mosquitoes that evolved into either just outright killing or impregnating

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the hosts, and all these different things that followed suit

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after that, and so and the David creating the eggs

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and the ultimately the eggs and the alien just being

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the final thing. And I agree with you guys that

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the CGI is not great in some regards, but I

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think the scenery it has that really scott feel. When

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they're landing on the planet, it's just beautiful. And some

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of the set pieces are great when they're scaling around

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and I really enjoyed that. But once they're inside the

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little temple place with David, I can't get on board

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with a lot of the characters decisions. I feel like

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they make stupid choice and I don't like how like

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two thousand colonists are entrusted to this crew. This crew

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is just a bunch of idiots. They're making horrible choices

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and it really bites them in the butt. And yeah,

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I just I don't like that the aliens were so

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heavily cgied I think that's just a real, real down

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words spiral compared to what we've seen before. I mean

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we just we talked AVP too. I mean, look at

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how many alien practical effects did that have and we

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have this which would have had a much bigger budget.

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I'm assuming it's just something but that they relied on CGI.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then there's a difference that we talk about

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how bad those movies look like, they look good, but

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as far as like the darkness are cineatography before, that's

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where we all say, oh, this movie looks good for this,

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this and this, So that's where they actually spend the

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money on making the film.

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Speaker 2: Look two and a half times more than AVP.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's something for me. It's like the location wise,

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one thing I wanted to ask you is that how

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do you who do you entrust with the columnists? Then,

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because that this year we did plan the apes and

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they also send four people and then an interstellar they

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also I think send for people. So like, how many

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people in your mind do you need to send to

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have like two, Like what's your right amount of astronauts

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for calumnists to be like this is how many people

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we need to uh restart a planet, well.

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Speaker 4: Like a crew to maintain the colonists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you said, like, why would they send these.

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Speaker 2: More than the intelligence.

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Speaker 4: It's the intelligence and the training. I think that their

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training was not adequate enough, because again, you don't expect

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unexpected things to happen, and of course, but you need

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to be prepared for that. So when this woman is

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in the ship and she trapped the one girl inside

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the midday and the other guy's freaking out and the

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girl locks the door and she's crying, and she's on

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the comm saying you get back, get back, and she's

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running back and forth, dropping her guns, grabbing more guns,

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running back and forth like a fucking idiot. I understand

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this is something you've never encountered before. It is unexpected,

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and you are clearly exhibiting your lack there of training

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for such as situation, which I get it's unexpected, but

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you're in space, you're doing a very dangerous one way trip.

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You need to be like properly trained for this year stuff.

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Speaker 1: You could argue, though, I think that character's dumb, and

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that that's where I'm the reverse of you. Guys. Actually

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don't like the first act because it's just filled with

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characters doing dumb stuff. From the beginning of even Billy

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Kreb's character, I kind of get he's having a complex,

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But to have this complex and put all these lives

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on line to make this decision like this isn't track

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for me at all. I get what they're trying to do,

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and it's almost in comparison to Dave and having gone

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like a leader god complex. I think the whole first

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act has these characters doing stuff that I don't understand,

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But with that one, I don't like all the dumb decisions.

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She runs back and forth flows the ship, but you

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would think technically, if she's there to protect these two thousand,

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you know, calumnists, then that is the right decision, right

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is to just lock that lady up and even if

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she dies, she dies, like I think that is.

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Speaker 4: Even though she got blood on her face and she

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thinks she's fine.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, no, that's dumb and she should get in

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there with them. But technically, if you think some thing,

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which also shout out to the male actor who plays

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the possessed body, really good job, because he's terrifying in

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that scene, like the movements. He's doing everything like good.

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I don't know if he's still acting. I hope someone

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saw that game some work because I just watched, Like, man,

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he's doing a really good job because it is frightening

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and just shaking everything. But I think that makes sense.

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But there's the rest of the stuff of running back

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and forth and opening the opening, So yeah, they make

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00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,119
some really dumb character choices in there, but I wasn't

477
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,200
sure as far as and even then, technically you could

478
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,400
argue that if I guess Franco's character is alive, he

479
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:34,440
was the right man for the job, right because they're

480
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,039
gonna stay on course, I imagine, But Billy Kredup kind of

481
00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,000
a ruined that trajectory.

482
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,759
Speaker 2: By comes the new captain.

483
00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I I kind of get it when he's like, well,

484
00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:46,880
no one wants to go back to sleep, but it's

485
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,680
it still is like you're gonna go to this planet

486
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,839
that you know nothing about versus this other planet you've

487
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,160
charted out for It's a very loose reasoning to get

488
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,240
us to the new planets, Like.

489
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 4: Do you do you get to sign like a contra

490
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,640
tract like you're sleep and cry out and this fucker

491
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,279
decides to go to a whole nother planet, like man

492
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,480
that's got they want to sleep well, right, like the colonists.

493
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,240
So I mean, you sign a contract, Yeah, I'm gonna

494
00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:14,359
go to or Guy six, So signing this document for

495
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,640
but all of a sudden, you're fucking captain who is

496
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,039
the second in command who's now main captains, like, yeah,

497
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:20,880
we're gonna fuck off and go with this planet instead.

498
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: It's like, well, i'd want agreed with him though, except

499
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,359
for Daniels.

500
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: Right yeah, but you're saying the people, yeah, he's saying.

501
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,839
Speaker 4: The other colonists they're asleep, like they sign up for

502
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:31,200
Guy six, but.

503
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: They got to You gotta sign with the captain's orders, right,

504
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,640
That's what that You sign up knowing that there's one guy,

505
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,319
make one guy or gal making the decision, and that's

506
00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:41,319
that's I mean.

507
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: That's where that's one of the weakest things about this

508
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,519
One thing I loved once again about Prometheus is just

509
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,440
all the different character motivations, and I felt like you

510
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,680
could really chart it all and figure out what they

511
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,839
were doing. Then there was just the right amount of mystery,

512
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,839
whereas the tension here between the crew is like, Okay, Daniels,

513
00:23:57,839 --> 00:23:59,279
who they're trying to set up, is like the big

514
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,119
protagonist new Ripley's slash Shaw. She doesn't want to go

515
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,519
to the colony ever or to the new planet, which

516
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,400
makes Euse does. And then so obviously they're all wrong

517
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,119
and she's right. So as if you were like, Okay,

518
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359
I guess she's right. She's smart like this character and

519
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960
love this character. But that's it. That's like the only

520
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,319
choice that any of these characters really make in this

521
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,759
whole movie is just like it made it very right

522
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:25,519
at the very beginning. I don't like that there isn't

523
00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:28,160
really any shades of gray or anything. It's it's really

524
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,759
just like these two sides, but there's not even intrigued

525
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:33,799
to why the different characters feel this play or want

526
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,079
to make this decision. It just kind of happens and

527
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:37,680
we don't really go any deeper on it.

528
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything, like the

529
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,000
only other decision is that lady when she decides to

530
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,880
lock the other one in there, But that's also not

531
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,839
a like I think it's a good decision.

532
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: Like a fight or flight, just like her individual survival thing.

533
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like Tay says, it's shake because she's

534
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,400
also exposed. So it's like you don't. You kind of

535
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,920
have to. You're both in your bouf out. You can't

536
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,720
have it one because like, what's the situation. It was like, oh, well,

537
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:02,839
I was in there, but I'm completely find like Nike.

538
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,559
And then when she still opens it and everything's in there,

539
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,279
it's not I.

540
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,079
Speaker 4: I she shoots the fuel cells and blows the ship

541
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:09,920
of like she's.

542
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: Just I just wish, I just wish there was a

543
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,160
way you could make that sequence without having to make

544
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,079
her dumb. Just make them both in there. The thing

545
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,240
pops up, kills the other one, it gets out, she

546
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,720
goes to shoot it, missus flows up, Like, yeah, you

547
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,880
don't have to make the integrity of your character, which

548
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,119
especially like it's not Damn and Bride's fault because like

549
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,759
I'm not like I'm supposed to feel bad for him

550
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:31,720
because he just lost his wife, but it's tough to

551
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,759
feel bad for him because like, I dislike this idiot character,

552
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,200
which shouldn't be like, like I would never feel bad

553
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,839
Like in real life, i'd still feel bad if I

554
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,680
didn't like someone's partner in the pass way, i'd feel

555
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,839
bad for them, But in a movie context, it's like

556
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,319
she kind of like started all this, Like, I just

557
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,240
there's such an easy way this alien thing. Just make it.

558
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,799
Just overpower them. I'll smart them whatever, And that's it.

559
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,440
Not this character running back and forth and tripping and slipping.

560
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,440
It's just like a it's an awe. That's where it

561
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,319
feels like a weird b rate horror movie for me

562
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,920
in that moment. And that's great, Yeah.

563
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: I mean weirdly. As much as I don't like this movie,

564
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,440
I think that scene is really good. I really enjoy

565
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480
that scene. I really like that character. I think she

566
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,680
actually has some of the best acting in this whole

567
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,440
movie in that sequence. I really buy into her desperation

568
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,000
and how much she's freaking out. And I honestly put

569
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,559
me in that situation. And I'm not a combat specialist,

570
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:25,640
like I'm sure she is not, and I would probably

571
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,720
do the exact same thing and the exact same order

572
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,799
as her. I'd be like, it would make sense to

573
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,960
quarantine that person. I think her slipping on the blood

574
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,680
when she comes in the room with a gun is

575
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,759
like actually really good. Like the tension of that is

576
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,319
would you.

577
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: Go back in there?

578
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 4: Though?

579
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,039
Speaker 1: Would you not wait for? Like? Why would you open

580
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,359
that door again? If the person's been killed, Like, would

581
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,079
you open that door that's where it seems where's to

582
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,119
contain the person and then reopen it?

583
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,759
Speaker 2: I probably would. I probably would not. I'd probably wait

584
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,599
for people. But I also maybe she just feels like

585
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:53,079
she just doesn't really have time and she wants to

586
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:54,880
try and save her friends, so she's gonna try and

587
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,559
take an attempt at it. She has the gun, she

588
00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:01,839
feels like she can do it. So that seems funnily

589
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,960
enough for all the negativity I'll bring on this cast.

590
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,119
I actually like that. I think the performance from Amy

591
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,240
Amy SeMet Ce, yeah, acting one. I thought she did

592
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,160
yeah really good.

593
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:13,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. When we go on our space mission, though dylt.

594
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,839
Speaker 2: Dinny McBride was sad that she died. I was like, yes,

595
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,880
I do, am sad.

596
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: We're keeping dealing up with Danny McBride. When we go

597
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,119
on our space mission. You know, well we'll Taylor guard

598
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,720
the door there. But yeah, we we get this moment

599
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:28,640
where they decide, uh yeah. We forgot to mention. James

600
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,640
Frankoy is in this cut of the movie, but he

601
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,799
dies in hyper speed because it's terrible or hyper sleep

602
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,319
terrible way to go. Just you wake up and gets

603
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,599
set on fire. But this gets the wake up gold. Yeah,

604
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,039
this does get the crew very kind of you know,

605
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,680
they're they're unglued, they're unchecked, they're not feeling themselves. Like

606
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:49,680
the Billy crept to say, no one wants to go

607
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,119
back in there. So he's the captain. They have the

608
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,160
storyline which is like I wish they got more into it.

609
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,839
Billy Credits just decided that they all fucking hate him,

610
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,279
and like, either I wish I got more into it,

611
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,759
or they told the rest of the cast like yeah,

612
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,319
be really shitty Billy Credit, because like, I don't get

613
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,200
the sense that they really hate it. I get the

614
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,720
sense that they might have just preferred Franco as the captain.

615
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,279
But he just talks about like this just don't respect me.

616
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,720
It's just like, well change, Like.

617
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:16,799
Speaker 4: I gotta punish them for having a moment.

618
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,319
Speaker 1: He didn't say punish. Yeah, well yeah, they're breaking like

619
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,079
they're breaking order. It's like, well yeah, dude, like even

620
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,079
his wife, it's it's a fucking husband and captain, like

621
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480
give her a break? Like it we need I think

622
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:32,759
we need more context on what's going on with Billy

623
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,920
Kreb's character. And it sucks because he's a great actor,

624
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,480
So I think if you give him stuff that you on,

625
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
you could, but it feels like a very half big

626
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,359
stort or feels like we're missing scenes out of it,

627
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:41,640
you know.

628
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was That was one character I didn't know

629
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:46,400
he was even in this movie, and I love Billy Kreudup,

630
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,279
so I had like such high expectations for his character

631
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,480
and I was severely let down.

632
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

633
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:54,559
Speaker 5: It feels like even in like the beginning, like there's

634
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,920
no as you laid out, like there's no indication of

635
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,240
like our crew really hating him. It seems like they're

636
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,319
all just kind of agreen when he's like, uh, you know,

637
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:08,680
like it takes a moment for I guess the people

638
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,519
that were lost, and then like they're just trying to

639
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,319
get onto the next thing, and then they all just

640
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,039
kind of have his support. So yeah, very very weird turn,

641
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,759
I guess, just with what happens with that character. And

642
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440
it seemed it seemed like they just didn't really have

643
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:26,880
it like fully structured what they wanted to do with him,

644
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880
and like to me, at least, it seemed like they

645
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,440
had changed their mind a couple of times with his character.

646
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,599
Speaker 1: Do you think it's also he was the one that

647
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,640
was faith based, right, and people like comming on that

648
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,440
a little bit. I wonder if it was like again

649
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,079
a half big idea of Scott trying to comment on

650
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:46,400
the way people review religious people nowadays, Like tons of

651
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,160
people are religious, but then there's somes of people even

652
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,480
like myself, that think if people are guided by religion,

653
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,359
it's like, hey, you're going to farni thik. He was

654
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,799
maybe trying to go that way because everyone was more

655
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240
science pace, but again there's not enough of that to

656
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,240
glom onto. I just remember because he says something thing

657
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,519
right and they're just like whatever Wallerston's character tells him

658
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,359
to f off in like a jokey way, or like

659
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,759
even his wife's like always the unbearable, Like he says

660
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,160
like something about praying or having faith and they like

661
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,599
kind of like kind of like laugh it off, like okay, buddy,

662
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,640
Like that's like that. It almost feels like religion. And

663
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,000
we got that more so in Prometheus, where religion and

664
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,960
belief because remember Sean, her husband, they were looked as

665
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,960
like kind of kooky if like, oh, you guys like

666
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,079
believe in like a greater power or like a god

667
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,559
like so I think that was them trying to do

668
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,839
that again, but in Prometheus it's just much better.

669
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I thought he was super weak in here

670
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,680
because he to me, he's the peak of character making

671
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,759
just dumb decisions over over again in this and I

672
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,799
didn't really know like what that was for, what the

673
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,440
purpose of that was. I guess once again, it all

674
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,279
comes back to that thing where they're trying to like

675
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:54,599
he's the one who ultimately makes the call that they're

676
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:57,400
gonna go down about planet, and so it makes you

677
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920
invested in Daniels again. That's like just all I feel

678
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,440
like they're trying to go for here with a lot

679
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,200
of this establishing stuff, but that was obviously a bad

680
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,039
decision to plan when they had once they were there

681
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,400
on foot, was all really bad. And then for me

682
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,359
when fucking David bats him into his laboratory room and

683
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,119
he's like, oh, don't where They're not going to hurt you.

684
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,039
Go take a look to see what the fuck is

685
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:22,200
wrong with the guys so so dumb. So to me,

686
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,200
there was not a single redeemable quality about him, So

687
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440
I didn't care when he died, And then it made

688
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,000
it hard for me to really feel invested in that

689
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,920
kind of whole storyline so super weak.

690
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,559
Speaker 1: I don't care, man, I still love David though his

691
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,839
fastburner's delivery. Anytime he's David, he's just like I need

692
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,799
that guy on a tour, guy for like a haunted

693
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,000
mansion or something. Just his voice and octave and like,

694
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,119
how did you feel about Walter we get to meet

695
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:49,880
a newer model.

696
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,559
Speaker 3: I was expecting the voice at all. That was the

697
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:55,799
That was a big shocker.

698
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 5: I feel like I was surprised, though have like a

699
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,440
fully good fastbender bought. I just was not expecting that

700
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,559
all at all. I really just thought it was like

701
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,680
David coming into it. So when they're calling am Walter

702
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440
in a different place, I'm like, oh wow, this is

703
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,599
this is crazy. I had no idea this character was

704
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,920
a thing. I will say though, for me, I felt

705
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,039
like it was like way too obvious that David switched

706
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,559
with Walter at the end, and it's like it's like

707
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,640
a really like slow like burn to like get to

708
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,279
the point of like, oh my god, it's actually David,

709
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,799
and then it's like mine freak, Like it's just like

710
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:41,319
like a twist happens in the film, but it's not

711
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,759
a twist at all. It's just like, oh, yeah, that's

712
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,759
exactly what I thought was gonna happen. And then they

713
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:47,880
have the ending and it's just for me, it was

714
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:52,680
it was incredibly unsatisfying, and like I was actually hoping

715
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,799
that it was just gonna be Walter and like, oh wow, okay,

716
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,680
they actually changed it up. It seems so obvious that

717
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,079
it was to be David, but it's not. It's Walter

718
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,400
and it's gonna be a nice, happy ending. No, it's

719
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,240
fucking David the whole time. Like it just yeah, that

720
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,079
that that really bugged me. Actually in the ending, I

721
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,119
don't I didn't like David really at all in this film.

722
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,200
I'm pretty aligned with what Dylan was saying early, like

723
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,200
as soon as I saw him, and I'm like, oh no,

724
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,359
like this this is gonna be like just a totally

725
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,799
twisted version of David that we've seen from Prometheus, and

726
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:29,440
that's pretty much what it was. And yeah, just like

727
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,319
a pure evil type character that didn't really I don't.

728
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,079
Speaker 1: Think it's pure evil though. That's why I'm confused by

729
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,839
you guys saying like I feel like, hey, matches up

730
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,839
exactly what they're doing Prometheus, where he just wants to

731
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,480
still create and he's so fascinated by that idea. And

732
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:46,440
even that's.

733
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: Where I why, why why does he have that fast.

734
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: Because it's like that conversation he had with Hallway, right,

735
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,839
it's just because he can and because he's looked upon

736
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,039
his like bottom of the food chain, like you can

737
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,119
do nothing, like oh that would be a shame, but

738
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,960
you don't feel emotions, right, Like he he's trying to

739
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720
what he lacks as an android. He's trying to make

740
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,559
up for by creating these things and feeling some sense

741
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:11,400
of life and purpose and feeling something that is needed

742
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,159
in the universe where all androids are not there, they're

743
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,679
meant to serve there, right, And that's where you know

744
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,599
it is a meme. Despite the kissing, I like that

745
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,280
he's like trying to get Walter to turn that side

746
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,320
of Like even then with Walter, I think they toy

747
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,679
with different things, which again they don't jump into fully,

748
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,519
but they tore with the idea that he loves Warson's

749
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,960
character and it's like that's something that this model have.

750
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,559
He's like, well, why would you feel that You're not

751
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,400
programmed to feel that way, You're not supposed to do

752
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,480
but that's the only way. He's like, Oh, well, no,

753
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:39,159
I'm programmed to protect her. It's like, yeah, but that's

754
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,440
not you how you would describe it. So I think

755
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,719
it's just the idea of these AI robots, like our

756
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,440
conversation day in life, like they're taking on greater means,

757
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,840
going past what they were built to do. And I

758
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,920
think that's just like what he This is him like

759
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239
escalated to the further degree of Holloway was like the

760
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,360
first experiment and it worked, and he saw the thing

761
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,559
that came out of shit and he saw everything that happened.

762
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,280
So David being fascinating boy that just wants to go

763
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,119
to a higher level. And I agree with Kirkham where

764
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,360
the reveals lame because they like sit on for so

765
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,400
long that it's Walter. But I love that that It's like,

766
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,840
that's a horrifying thing. If you were that person, if

767
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,400
you were Watrison's character, think, like this guy he just

768
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,840
found out that he would look what he did with

769
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,360
Shaw with one person for over ten years, what the

770
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,480
fuck is he gonna do with two thousand people? And

771
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,679
I think it's just that he's I don't think he's

772
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,159
a sociopath. I don't think he's out to hear people.

773
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,679
He just wants to see, k what's the next step

774
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,760
of evolution kind of like him, Like, I think it's

775
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,280
his idea of being whatever Wayland was and he can

776
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,519
be that. So that's what I feel like. It just

777
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,320
fits with exactly where he was in Prometheus, you know.

778
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 4: Two things with him, because you have Walter and David

779
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,519
having an interesting conversation where Walter calls out him in

780
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,519
those earlier models where people felt uncomfortable around them, yes,

781
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,199
which I like, yeah, and it's the creativity ambition that

782
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,079
they had that wasn't it wasn't okay.

783
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,199
Speaker 1: And then the other I wonder what the other their

784
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,559
models were, like, Oh, they probably weren't doing this degree,

785
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,159
but I wonder what they were why people follow uncomfortable

786
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,000
about them? Right? Like why because even the conversation he

787
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,960
has with Hallway in the first one, that's like Hallway

788
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,280
is like, something's fucking wrong with this rope, like and

789
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,440
you can see him process that, right, So I wonder

790
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,679
back on Earth where they just like I don't know,

791
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,280
where they touchy feely, where they like, I don't know.

792
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,599
I wonder why they discontinued this model. We know why,

793
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,239
but just on Earth or wherever in space, like what

794
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,119
else were they up to?

795
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: You know? The other thing that I like was, as

796
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,719
you mentioned, like the freakiness of David. When Daniels is

797
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,559
basically she sees what happened with Shaw and David just

798
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,480
kind of approaches her. And this is right before Walter

799
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:45,840
pops back in. But Daniels is like, like, what are

800
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,199
you gonna like what? She says, what are you gonna

801
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:49,800
do to me? Or what did you do to her?

802
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,320
And he David just looks at her and says, I think, okay.

803
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,400
I think Daniel's like, what are you gonna do to me?

804
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,039
And he David just says the same thing I did

805
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:59,960
to her. And it's just this freaky because she saw

806
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,079
what happened to Sean. It was not pretty, so it

807
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,559
just puts that fear factor out there. He just he's

808
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,639
really good at being a villain in this role. And

809
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,000
this version of David scared me a lot more than

810
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,760
the Prometheus one because Prometheus I still felt like he

811
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960
was just back and forth serving Whalen and he was

812
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,280
just kind of dip in his toes. But in this

813
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,880
it's like he appears he hates that his uh, I

814
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,360
think it was a neo morph. The first white alien

815
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,360
gets killed and he's trying to communicate with it, and oh, like.

816
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: That seems good. I love that scene when it gets

817
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,679
cut in front of him and he yells and he's.

818
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: Like, like you can feel a sense like that you

819
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:41,880
can trust him, and he's not necessarily like he's always

820
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,159
furthering his own gains, but he's not I don't know,

821
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:51,519
I don't know how to put it. He's tractically untrustworthy,

822
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,920
but he's he is, like the captain asked him, like, okay,

823
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,440
what's going on here? Telling me the truth? He's only

824
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,480
gun to him. David's like immediately luring him charismatically, but

825
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,760
also giving him the truth and giving them the answers.

826
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,360
And ultimately he gave him the answer literally, and that

827
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,480
just fucked up the captain because the captain is he's

828
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:12,320
an idiot.

829
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: But it's still tricky though. He makes like a fake

830
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,000
grave site for Shaw and he still tells the story

831
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:18,639
and everything, so.

832
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 4: Just like for me, he is sincere though right, like,

833
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,760
yes it is, it's not necessarily a fake grave site,

834
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,960
like he's playing a serenade to her, like he I

835
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,079
think that was very sincere how he felt about her

836
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,360
and appreciated her. But man, he's still fucked up because

837
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,559
I mean, what did he do to her? Just totally

838
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,400
created alien the xeno eggs out of her body, which

839
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,840
is just fucking crazy.

840
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I guess if he had a lot

841
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:46,320
of respect for her as being a very intelligent person

842
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,440
and maybe a very creative person as well, then maybe

843
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,840
he thought that the hybridness of that would be something

844
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,559
that he wants to explore and that would make a

845
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,440
stronger version. That's where he's probably just salivating at the

846
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,400
of having these two thousand columnists on the ship. You

847
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:04,880
just have his way with them to try and find

848
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,559
the most optimal version. It's you know, you make some

849
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,239
good points there. I think that suff's interesting. I guess

850
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,639
for me, it's what comes down to the execution. Then

851
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,840
I just feel like this movie is way goofier in

852
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,679
a lot of its sequences, and that's what takes me

853
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,920
out of it. Like that fucking flute scene and the

854
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,320
kiss scene are so fucking stupid. They're as stupid as

855
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,800
they were back in twenty seventeen. I hate those scenes

856
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,559
so much. They just they just take me out of

857
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,159
it for sure. They're just way too way too goofy.

858
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,199
So yeah, I wish I could be there with you, Travis,

859
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,440
because I think there is some interesting concepts there. But yeah,

860
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,920
for me, the way he comes across in Prometheus is

861
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,599
so much more menacing and intriguing than what we have here.

862
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like.

863
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,199
Speaker 1: Jake the kiss curricle when you get a saw in

864
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:53,679
twenty seven.

865
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 5: I got this bit much anticipated. I knew, I knew

866
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,440
it was coming.

867
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,039
Speaker 1: Walter was singing this whole time. Man, He's just like,

868
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,760
I'm just trying to do my job, Troy. That looks

869
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,639
like me kissing me.

870
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know.

871
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 5: I feel like if myself tried to kiss me, I

872
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,119
feel like I would just I would just kiss myself

873
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,000
just to feel what that feels like.

874
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:19,079
Speaker 3: But I don't know. Yeah, I kind of throw my

875
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:20,400
brain for a lip there. I don't know what I

876
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:20,800
was bringing.

877
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, with David, I feel like for me, it's

878
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,039
just I don't fully like. I guess I get it,

879
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,119
like you're reasoning that he wants to feel what it

880
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,559
feels like, feels like to like create life, and like

881
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,199
that is his obsession. For me, it's just hard for

882
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,079
me to like wrap around that, like, yeah, this is

883
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:42,039
just what Wayley Newtawnian crew made, Like this is like.

884
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: What they're they're like this was It's like if.

885
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,199
Speaker 5: You're making like an AI, it's usually have a goal

886
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,559
in mind to like go with it, or like some

887
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:53,639
sort of tool to like help you on your journey,

888
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,480
like like you know, like a droid to help with

889
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,639
long interstellar travel.

890
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: So like, why are we at this point that he

891
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:03,199
is just.

892
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,119
Speaker 5: Genociding like a planet of individuals as well as just

893
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,920
creating these like xenomorphs and just creating what they are,

894
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,840
like yeah, like as the end result. Like it just

895
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000
I feel like I just don't like that version of

896
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:23,360
a character in these stories. And I am kind of

897
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,280
torn because I love the performance by Fastbender. I think

898
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,599
that he is very cold and like android like in

899
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:33,960
his just performance, which is exactly what you'd want in

900
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,360
a character like this. And I did like seeing the

901
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:41,880
more I guess, friendlier version being Walter, the more trusting version.

902
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,000
But yeah, I just I kind of wish David died

903
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:49,000
in the first movie and we just didn't get any

904
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:53,800
of this this after stuff because if Waylon and Crue

905
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,400
never made that droid like we just never get xenomorphs.

906
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,760
Like I also just don't like that lower aspect to

907
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,079
it at all. I kind of knew that this movie

908
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,440
tackled that in a sense of like the creation of

909
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,079
the Zenos.

910
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: I mean it kind of.

911
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: Like after Prometheus, we're hitting in that direction. And I

912
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,800
didn't think I really cared until I actually got it.

913
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,360
And it's tough because like, there is some really great

914
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,760
stuff I think in here, it's just the whole idea

915
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,400
of it definitely is what I'm not really buying a

916
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,800
ticket for.

917
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. If you don't like that portion, then

918
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,239
the oh there's definitely nothing to like with like the

919
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,800
engineers and all that stuff, and yeah, which I always

920
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
forget because I've only seen this the one time in theaters.

921
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,360
I forgot when we got the engineers this time. I

922
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,800
think maybe because of criticism of the first movie, they

923
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,079
made them more human with makeup instead of like big

924
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,000
CGI people. So that kind of took me by guard

925
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,239
again because when you watch David destroy the plant, how

926
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,559
when if you when David destroys the planet, when he

927
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,000
unleashes the weapons, if you look at the people, they're

928
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:59,159
all more prosthetic people instead of CGI and G.

929
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: Meant after the release of this movie, Oh sorry, y

930
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,360
no no no no, no, no no.

931
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: I just found that interesting that they in between you

932
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,679
because when you I haven't watched them back to back.

933
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,280
So when watching them back to back, they look very

934
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,679
different because the engine.

935
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:14,119
Speaker 2: Year they stumble across them, It's like, oh, yeah, these

936
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,719
are like regular size people.

937
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: Yes, they look way more close to us than when

938
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,159
I feel the engineers Prometheus. They're huge, they have like

939
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,079
I guess, you know, a humanoid head. But there's just

940
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,440
a lot of differences. So I wonder it was just

941
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,599
reaction and they felt differently about that. But uh yeah,

942
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,679
that's still like said before, but I'll say it again

943
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,880
for the final time. That is still my most disappointing

944
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,400
thing that that's how they get resolved. It's just because

945
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,519
I just felt like that's the whole conversation Shaw wanted

946
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:41,039
to have with them of why were they going to

947
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,599
destroy us? And I think a whole movie of Shaw

948
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,239
and David and him being trustworthy not trustworthy, a cad

949
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,159
MoU scheme, Like I think there's a really good thriller there,

950
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,639
and that scene I still don't like, I like it

951
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:55,880
a bit better in the context of this where they

952
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,119
get to the plan and knowing, Okay, this was the

953
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,239
engineer's home world and that's what's all this Like, that's like, oh,

954
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,119
there was life here, but the life here was all

955
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:06,639
decayed and dead by David. So there's things I appreciate

956
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,639
a bit more. But yeah, I'm still not a fan

957
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,440
of I was trying to see if I would enjoy

958
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,480
that more this time, and I didn't. I just think

959
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:16,559
it's a weird introduce this like plot, like this kind

960
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,360
of cliffhanger for SQL and which some of yous do that,

961
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,079
but like for the sequel and the sequel just to

962
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:26,400
cover you know, a millisecond of that and it's just

963
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,320
just odd. But you know, I guess the engineers say,

964
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,519
I'm not sure if that's also like a I think

965
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,480
that's also kind of like a I don't know. Algory

966
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,000
for us as humans with weapons is the things we

967
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,119
create could kill us. And that's kind of what happened

968
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:43,000
with engineers, right They're experimenting on these biochemical weapons and

969
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,440
David comes back and makes them pay for it. So

970
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,599
I think there is a message there, but I think

971
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:49,360
in the way this movie paints it doesn't come off

972
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,559
as strong as let's say, like an Appenheimer does it right.

973
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,159
I'm not trying to say if to be Oppenheimer, but

974
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,360
I think they're trying to go for that with this

975
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,480
engineer creation sort of bit.

976
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,039
Speaker 2: So well, sorry you want to say something, Well, I

977
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,760
just wanted to ask you what you thought of that,

978
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,480
concerned that you didn't remember clearly didn't remember the scene

979
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:06,280
from the movie.

980
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,639
Speaker 1: You're like new, brand new information.

981
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: I absolutely thought that initially because I heard that with

982
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,039
this scene that they were the engineers. But I initially

983
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,719
heard people talking about how this is just supposed to

984
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,239
be another planet that was seeded with like the engineer's

985
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,480
like experiment.

986
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: Uh oh.

987
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, like not not like humanity was one experiment and

988
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,519
this is just another experiment that they they did. But

989
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:40,159
I think I think the the team behind Galen Comany

990
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,519
came forward and like denounced that and said, I know

991
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,880
this is these are this is the Engineer's home world

992
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,800
like this and they are.

993
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,559
Speaker 1: All which makes sense because it's like that's a big

994
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,440
hanging plot to leave. So for me it makes like

995
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,920
I don't like it, but it makes sense from their

996
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:54,400
point of view.

997
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is I don't like it either. I

998
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,280
I wish that the engineers are still alive and just

999
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,519
some where else. I would I like the idea more that. Hey,

1000
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:08,440
they just derided another humanoid offspring planet and this is

1001
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,559
just the followed of it. But even then, when you

1002
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,280
look at the way it's set up, like the planet

1003
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,000
doesn't look like it's designed really for, like what the

1004
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,039
engineers are. The engineers have fleets of these deare like

1005
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,760
spacecraft that can dock and all that, and yet this

1006
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,400
one is set up to dock and deploy this pathogen

1007
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,760
all over its own planet so easily. I just feel

1008
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,119
like they would have had contingencies or something like that.

1009
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: They would like a vaccine something.

1010
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very easy to Like, No, I guess

1011
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,639
at the same point, like, isn't it easy for us

1012
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,280
if someone got a nuke and just shot us? What

1013
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,800
do we do? Like that's what these weapons are, Yeah, brother,

1014
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,679
but the artists.

1015
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,079
Speaker 2: But if the nuke was instead a disease that we

1016
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,199
created and therefore probably also could have made a counter

1017
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,639
agent that we could take ourselves.

1018
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 1: But we don't know if they got that far right,

1019
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,039
because they say in Prometheus that they were doing this

1020
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,280
off world, so it's not like they and these group

1021
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,760
that made that. Yeah, so when these jockeys came back,

1022
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,800
I think they were like, oh my god, they have

1023
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,639
whatever this weapon is to create, So it's the same.

1024
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,519
That's how I can't take it. If someone shot nuke

1025
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,320
at us, we couldn't do anything right, you know, I.

1026
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: Guess to me, the and we really have no idea

1027
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,360
the the scale or the yeah, the distance between the

1028
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,559
planet from Prometheus and this one. But to me, it

1029
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:29,360
doesn't seem like it probably doesn't seem like it takes

1030
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,199
that long for them to travel between. So I would

1031
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,880
have imagined that those engineers would be in contact with

1032
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,800
each other till at least like telecommunication wise, but maybe

1033
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,280
even just physically. It takes like a couple of weeks

1034
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,519
to get or less to get between each other.

1035
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, I guess always I wonder what

1036
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,599
happened because remember in the first when we met, when

1037
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,960
we met that engineer, he was like in cryo sleep.

1038
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,199
So I don't know if they that mission he was

1039
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,000
designed to be like this guy these engineers, is this

1040
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,360
engineer he's going to be gone for ten fifteen years

1041
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
because remember they find him and he's sleeping and then

1042
00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:59,960
they wake him up.

1043
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't think, because Shaw must have made it to

1044
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,360
this planet alive. Right, She's not in that shot because

1045
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,280
she's not like the actress is not in this movie, right.

1046
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,800
But I assume that she made it there alive, and

1047
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,000
I highly doubt that she would have let David put

1048
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,599
her into cryos late. Maybe maybe she would have. I'm

1049
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:20,039
not sure.

1050
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:26,519
Speaker 1: I think she would have been, Yeah, I like not indisposed.

1051
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,599
I'll say cryo sleep, he kidnapped or what like. I

1052
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,719
think the second he gets that head on and they

1053
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,119
got a path to there, like the second he's got

1054
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:36,960
control of the ship, I think it's over for Sewan.

1055
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 5: She's somewhere WOU would have figured in the base then

1056
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,519
I figured that's where they he would have been experimenting

1057
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:45,880
on her.

1058
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't think he would have like transported her body

1059
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,039
from that ship, like her dead body from that ship

1060
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,440
to the base, you know, but only she was dead.

1061
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: I think she was alive for quite a long time,

1062
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:01,320
unfortunately for her. I think he was just like breeding her. Yeah,

1063
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,199
I think he was like breeding her, like when she's

1064
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,159
in that cave there. I think she was alive from

1065
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:06,719
the ship.

1066
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 6: Out of her she's dead, right, Yeah, I think like

1067
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,079
day he would be like, already she already had an

1068
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,119
alien come out of her, right, so there's obviously some

1069
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,159
bio stuff going on that he wants to experiment on.

1070
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like, unfortunately, David would be like

1071
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,599
patching her up and then repatching her, like he would.

1072
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,519
Speaker 2: Just like like an alien popping out of you to

1073
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:30,000
kill you. And like the surgery thing that she had done, Yeah,

1074
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,519
i'd just been like cracking herself up with drugs and like,

1075
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,800
yes whatnot?

1076
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, true, I don't know what's on the ship left.

1077
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,199
I could just see David like performing c sections and

1078
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,039
stuff like that, like surgically and removing things and take

1079
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:46,559
Like I think she was alive for a long time unfortunately,

1080
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,559
at least like a solid year of getting worked on

1081
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,159
by David, And that to me is like horrifying just

1082
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:52,800
with some of that artwork and all the work he did,

1083
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,039
because it's like, eventually, if she died, I don't know

1084
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,320
what he could get. She did die, but you know.

1085
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,079
Speaker 2: If David is to be believed, he said that it

1086
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,000
took ten years is when the stuff on Prometheus happened,

1087
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,719
which I imagine would be kind of corroborative because they

1088
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,760
knew about the ship promethes they did.

1089
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a well leged it makes sense.

1090
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: And I don't know where like space time translate, like

1091
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,440
maybe where they were, you know, time worked differently in

1092
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,280
an interstellar kind of way. But yeah, if he says

1093
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,719
it's ten years, then like, okay, well most she was

1094
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,920
getting experimented on for ten years. I don't know, it's

1095
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,480
hard to think about it. I feel like she's been

1096
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:27,760
dead for a while, but I guess probably had to

1097
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,639
bones at that point, so I don't know. Hard to say.

1098
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: I think she's allowed the whole ten years, but i'd say,

1099
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,320
like I'll say, at least the solid year or two

1100
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,400
or something like that. Which that's where something you brought

1101
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,760
up TIERR last week when you explained like what happened,

1102
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,920
and they at least they did say that that ship

1103
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,920
was it was a known thing, it would missing, it

1104
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,119
was a big deal. Obviously they don't explain more, and

1105
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:49,679
we only get Wayland back at the beginning of this

1106
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,679
guy Piercy's talking with David and the creation, and which

1107
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,960
is another thing I like that David talked about how

1108
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
pathetic you viewed him as the end and stuff, which

1109
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,960
is just more evolution for that character.

1110
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean, just to stay on Shaw

1111
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,119
for a bit here, I kind of just forgot after

1112
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,320
amivis like, what happens to that character? Do we see

1113
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,440
her at all? And you know, this is how we

1114
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,679
see her as as that corpse there. It is disappointing.

1115
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,239
I'm wondering where, you know, with a couple quick edits,

1116
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,159
I would have fit her into a story like this,

1117
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,599
but I feel like it's really hard. You'd have to

1118
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:26,159
kind of build the story from her ground up a

1119
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:28,599
different way to get her into this because I like,

1120
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,639
as you mentioned, Travis, this movie is not super long,

1121
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,559
so you could have thrown some flashbacks and they're at

1122
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:35,079
an extra half an hour on the movie of like

1123
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,920
some flashback scenes between David and sew and what they're

1124
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,679
doing on the ship and all that, But I don't know,

1125
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,000
I don't know if that would play the best. I

1126
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,119
feel like I truly just want the sequel to be

1127
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,239
her and David and maybe they get cooked up with

1128
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,880
some other ships somehow and that's how you introduce other characters.

1129
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000
But either way, it is once again still disappointing how

1130
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:57,000
they decide to go about utilizing her in this movie,

1131
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,599
because I feel like, yeah, she was. She was a

1132
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:02,320
great character, really well done, really well written, well acted,

1133
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:05,800
and so it's disapoint that I wonder if she was

1134
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,679
offered this and denied it. I don't know if that's

1135
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,679
in your trivia, Travis, but.

1136
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, And that's why I'm even looking now,

1137
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:12,480
because I realized in the trivia I didn't find like

1138
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,440
a reason, and I don't know if that Lely was

1139
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,440
just like the story they concocted, which I feel like,

1140
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:18,960
I think.

1141
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: She would have wanted to come back, unless she was

1142
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,159
just busy doing other movies.

1143
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like it's, unfortunately just the story

1144
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,119
they went with. And I don't know if it also

1145
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,440
was again that because there was the mixed reception of Prometheus,

1146
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,800
where some people really liked it, but then there was

1147
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,599
a group of like, well it's not alien enough, and

1148
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,760
they're like, well alien, But even then, I feel like

1149
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,760
you could find a way. I really don't know, but yeah,

1150
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,920
I tried to look, and I didn't find much.

1151
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: She was like successful though, like financially at least, so

1152
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:47,920
you would think that studio wouldn't care and they would yeah,

1153
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:50,199
green light it with her in it. But I mean

1154
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,840
not too uh, because people behind the curtain recording this

1155
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,519
after we did AVPr and I was railing on the

1156
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:58,199
writer of that. But once again to bring up the

1157
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,159
writer this movie, it's it's just really strange. So the

1158
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:04,079
writer this worked on in a movie called Transcendence, which

1159
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:05,880
I don't know if you guys have. Oh boy, he

1160
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,920
did an episode of a show and then this. He's

1161
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,280
written three projects in his career. He's not done one

1162
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,000
since It's like, why would they pick? Like I understand everyone,

1163
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:16,960
you know, it's got to get their foot in the

1164
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,480
door in the industry somehow, But I feel like, you

1165
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,360
don't do it as a sequel to Prometheus, which is

1166
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,840
this legendary franchise with Ridley Scott, Like it seems like

1167
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,400
a really weird way to give this guy's training wheels

1168
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,000
and throw him into the deep end with him writing

1169
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,480
a movie like this. So I think that is to

1170
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,039
me a big reason why none of the characters are

1171
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,519
really great here and the writing and David don't really

1172
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,320
work for me. It's just because the writing caliber is

1173
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,280
not great and even yeah, just the story and in general,

1174
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,639
is not necessarily the concept I wanted. It seems like

1175
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:45,400
this the writer just wanted to like, Oh, I want

1176
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,039
to do my own ship full of people and I

1177
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:49,400
have them get fucked up by an alien instead of like,

1178
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,800
what is actually what the sequel to Prometheus needs to be.

1179
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: I think that's why for Scott, that's why I like

1180
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,920
Prometheus more, because it feels like when he was always

1181
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,079
talking about, hey, we should do this with Alien that

1182
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,679
with Alien, it did feel like, Okay, it's some vibes Alien,

1183
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,320
but it's different. But this feels way more closer to well,

1184
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,360
it's another alien movie, right, And the.

1185
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: Guy who wrote, one of the guys who wrote Prometheus

1186
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,760
goes on to write both the Dune movies. It's like, okay,

1187
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,000
well that trajectory makes a lot of sense in terms

1188
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,480
of the world building and the characters that we're talking

1189
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,079
about there. I mean, obviously Dune is based on a

1190
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:22,639
book and whatnot, but still.

1191
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: I guess there was some original arts. So yeah, it

1192
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,119
sounds like I think Shaw was just always this was

1193
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,519
the plan originally replaces Prometheus. Heroin would have appeared in

1194
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:33,800
Alien Covenant as anenomorph, a neomorph Queen as a successful

1195
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,920
result of David's cross beating. So I guess that was

1196
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,079
always the idea of just that they.

1197
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,519
Speaker 2: Just want David's cube properly. But if they did, that

1198
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:42,840
could be really interesting.

1199
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,079
Speaker 1: That could be horrifying to see like a alien human

1200
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,480
crossbeed with like Shaw's face or something. But I could

1201
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,239
see maybe why contempt conceptually they went out, this might

1202
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,599
just not work, especially, I.

1203
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: Mean, I guess, like Ripley, we kind of did some

1204
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,119
experimentation stuff like that, but quite on the same trajectory.

1205
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, so yes that No, yes, they just didn't

1206
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:02,719
have don't. I don't know what it would be. I'll

1207
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,239
have to look more and see if I can ever

1208
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,239
find that on maybe the rankings or something. But I

1209
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,239
just guess that was just what they wanted to do,

1210
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,360
a Shaw on stuff.

1211
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 7: So m hm.

1212
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: I also I also wanted a bit more, like I

1213
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,880
mentioned earlier, of them on the I guess we don't

1214
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,119
know the name of the ship that they take at

1215
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,639
the end of Prometheus to land on this planet, right,

1216
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,119
because it's obviously that's not called the Prometheus ship. At

1217
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:28,400
that point, I wanted more of that. I wanted them.

1218
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,039
I wanted to find out more information from that, or

1219
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:33,039
maybe like that could have been a way that you'd

1220
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,239
chew in like flashbacks are not necessarily flashbacks, but like

1221
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:39,320
footage of Shaw because she has like you know, jarbl

1222
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,800
dialogue and we kind of get an idea of maybe

1223
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,119
something that's going on, but then we never really revisit that.

1224
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,320
How did you guys feel about that? Did you want

1225
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,639
more more scenes of that stuff? Would that have been

1226
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,000
a good way to incorporate that character into the story?

1227
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,039
Speaker 5: I think in hindsight, I would have probably preferred. I

1228
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,400
would have preferred some more David and Shaw back and forth,

1229
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,840
just because I really did like their moments in Prometheus,

1230
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,800
especially near the end of the movie. But I don't know,

1231
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,639
like in the moment, I felt like it was okay

1232
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,880
enough to at least acknowledge that, like this is the ship,

1233
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,400
and then they have like Shaw's dog tags or whatever

1234
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:23,239
that they're finding, and I guess for me, in the moment,

1235
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,920
I also just kind of okay, well, we did we did,

1236
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,800
we did scan and search through it in Prometheus, so

1237
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,320
I'm okay to kind of just more focus on the

1238
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,599
planet itself now. But yeah, in hindsight, I definitely would

1239
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,079
have preferred something kind of what you pitched.

1240
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,039
Speaker 1: Even cool because what's the opening of this the coal

1241
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,880
opening is maybe it's Steven Whalen, Right, I think there's

1242
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,280
way you could do that and do Shaw and him together,

1243
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,480
maybe something you know, they crash goes to black or

1244
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,840
whatever happens, and then you'd leave Shaw's fate up to

1245
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,079
because I feel like it's an odd It's odd if

1246
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,800
you've never seen Prometheus, because it feels like they want

1247
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,239
to do a completely new alien movie, but then there's

1248
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,360
this side story that they haven't closed off. So it's

1249
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,360
like kind of a what is the expression like baking

1250
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,440
your cake and eating it too where? And that's what

1251
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,239
they like. Again, I'm just reading people just theorize that

1252
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,639
they just think that because Prometheus is like mixed response,

1253
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,159
they didn't want them to do this, so it's like, okay,

1254
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,400
if Scott wants to finish off Prometheus, but then they

1255
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,360
want alien movie, it feels like it doesn't serve either

1256
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,960
of them. And I think that's the issue. Even if

1257
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,599
you add more Shaw, people go, oh, what's this and

1258
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,480
you know, but it's just like a little slice of

1259
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,159
the movie. So I would like that personally because I

1260
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:37,679
liked that story, but I think that's just not what

1261
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:39,519
they wanted to go down. So it would have been

1262
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,360
nice to have something so I.

1263
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 4: Could have done with the whole intro of David and

1264
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,519
Whalen being swapped out to David and Shaw and just

1265
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:51,400
end open ended where we don't know per fate and

1266
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,239
then they can touch that later on.

1267
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll jump to another point here. So, as we

1268
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:06,039
talked about briefly, David's kind of been breeding these aliens

1269
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,880
to be more human, like have more human DNA, and

1270
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,480
that's where we see that he can like control them.

1271
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,960
He can like make them be obedient, which I didn't

1272
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,440
like it in the moment necessarily, but I think it

1273
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,440
does make sense given what he's been doing. Like to me,

1274
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,519
it's like, wow, aliens are so savage killing machines, that

1275
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,000
wouldn't make any sense. But if you know, if he's

1276
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:27,960
been doing this for a long time, sure I can

1277
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:30,960
believe they would get to a point yeah, where he's

1278
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,000
like built obedience into them to some extent. But what

1279
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,519
I think is really weak is like the first aliens

1280
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,199
we get in this movie, like the little guys. Uh,

1281
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,320
they're very like primate like right, like they're very monkey like.

1282
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:46,000
Even the sounds are making like like kind of sounds.

1283
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,480
They're running around like little monkeys. They look like little

1284
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:52,280
like zuboomafou kind of things. And once again, like it

1285
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,079
makes sense, you know if he's based off like human DNA. Okay,

1286
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:57,119
I can, I can believe that. But it made the

1287
00:58:57,159 --> 00:58:59,960
aliens not scary whatsoever. I just thought they were goofy,

1288
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,320
little goofy little creatures, like animated creatures. So I think

1289
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,679
that was not a good call at the end of

1290
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,360
the day. And like how Taylor you had that big

1291
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:15,199
long pitch and AVPr too about like MPR two just

1292
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:18,320
the first AVPr of like a lion hybrids and stuff.

1293
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,079
And I think that that idea is fun of like

1294
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,079
seeing other alien hybrids. And I'm sure it's done in

1295
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,239
like other comics or video games that I haven't played.

1296
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,039
But yeah, I think the monkey one here, and like

1297
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,480
using the goofy monkey tropes didn't didn't work to make

1298
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:35,639
a compelling villain or scary horror creature that we that

1299
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:37,119
our characters have to fight against.

1300
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: Well, remember in three they wanted to do that dog

1301
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,320
and remember they made that suit and it didn't work.

1302
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,440
So you couldn't even done that but a CG budget.

1303
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,599
But yeah, yeah, no, none of that works. Even that

1304
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:48,559
scene for me just doesn't work like it like, Okay,

1305
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:51,039
you need something that happens so then David can save them.

1306
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:53,800
But I feel like there's just something like you're introducing

1307
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,239
other stuff like the pathogens of just like the flowers

1308
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,719
or stepping on things, like you're introducing something that's that's

1309
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,320
not been alien at all. It's just like a missed

1310
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,679
version of Getting six. So it's like it is been

1311
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,519
here for ten years. Put something else here. But you know,

1312
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,039
you don't have to do like another because I think

1313
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:14,760
it would make that scene stronger later on, when the

1314
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,679
alien hits Billy crud Up and it comes out of

1315
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:18,559
him and it's like a whole you know, turning into

1316
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:20,880
a thing, that'd be like, oh, that's our alien, that's

1317
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,360
our Zeno morph. Right, So I agree, I think you

1318
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,159
could have been something else there. It may look a

1319
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,639
lot better because it's a but even then, like I

1320
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:30,239
wonder what the actors were like in that scene. I

1321
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:30,719
want to see.

1322
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,679
Speaker 4: I get that that's just a different stage of alien

1323
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:35,599
and this one was even different, but like it comes

1324
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:38,320
out fully formed and then like I don't even know

1325
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,639
if they didn't even cover like shitting its skin or

1326
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:41,719
growing or anything like that.

1327
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: I can too though, right. So that's where again the.

1328
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,599
Speaker 4: More if I can understand, because it was like it

1329
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:50,159
was like pollen shit that just went into his ear,

1330
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,079
up his nose, he's snorting it.

1331
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: No, but isn't that what's the one called them that

1332
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,559
comes out and.

1333
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,559
Speaker 4: A deacon and whatever that is, that's that's a they

1334
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:01,559
call it the deacon.

1335
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: In Yeah, but that's like a full formed one, right,

1336
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,480
So it's not like the first time they've so.

1337
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:09,239
Speaker 2: You're saying the blue aliens called the Deacon.

1338
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And that's like, like I've seen many people

1339
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,639
talk about how ultimately this black goop, it's no matter

1340
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,239
what it's going to lead towards the zeno, you're gonna

1341
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:24,320
get so many different variants, variations. Yeah, but ultimately it's

1342
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,920
final evolutionary form is going to be that classic xenomorph

1343
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:33,000
that you see just needs a breeder. How we get there, Yeah,

1344
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,079
it's it's up up to the up to you.

1345
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,239
Speaker 2: I liked the spores, uh. In this there's two separate

1346
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:42,360
people who one guy steps on it, which you know,

1347
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,920
I don't blame him too much. I mean, he threw

1348
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,760
like presumably a lit cigarette into a forest, so I

1349
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,719
hate him for that because he's going to cause the

1350
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,639
forest fire here.

1351
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: Very risky to the place you're about to maybe live.

1352
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The other guy though, he's looking like orum

1353
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,320
the captain here, just going right up to the sores

1354
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:04,159
given this doing lines on the minds off this floor.

1355
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:06,760
So I don't know about that. That was a pretty

1356
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,920
poor decision on his end, but I think the visual

1357
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,599
of that in a slow transformation and even just like

1358
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,559
the little CGI moment of the first one when he

1359
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,559
goes into his ear like I have it right here,

1360
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:19,800
it's just creepy. It makes me want to like scratch

1361
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,239
my ear, you know, it's that kind of thing.

1362
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to bring it up because there's something

1363
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,920
there's no way this movie came out before, but there's

1364
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,760
something that was very odd to me. And maybe I'm

1365
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,320
just alone. I'm thinking that they sound similar. So just

1366
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,159
let me know. You got to sound here, right, Yeah,

1367
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:34,639
all right, So when it goes into the air, there's

1368
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:37,159
a sound effects that happens, and this has the sound

1369
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:38,960
effect happens multiple times in the movie.

1370
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 4: This one right here, Quiet Place.

1371
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,679
Speaker 1: That's what it is, right, is that sound efect Quiet Place?

1372
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:47,239
Speaker 2: What you're thinking, isn't.

1373
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: That the same?

1374
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 3: Fully? Shit?

1375
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: I think you're right, okay, because I could. I when

1376
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,840
I was watching the movie, I was like, Okay, it

1377
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,119
must be from some other alien movie that I can't

1378
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,119
remember now. In that moment watching it again, somehow it

1379
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,000
came into my head. That's definitely what they using, like

1380
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,079
the Quiet Place trailer. I think they won they must

1381
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:03,559
be in there.

1382
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: Do they use it the Quiet Place trailer?

1383
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: I'll try and listen right now. I mean, I don't

1384
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,440
know if Taylor's already doing it.

1385
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,519
Speaker 1: And then I needed to because then what I was

1386
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,280
having issues is this is what I was hearing. I

1387
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,519
was hearing this. Where was it here? Not to the

1388
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:24,639
same extent, this is what I was here. I'm not

1389
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:27,719
gonna reveal what our sound is that made it because

1390
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,679
it's a very specific sound and it's something that's from Earth.

1391
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:34,719
So I'm not gonna that's our little Easter egg. But

1392
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,679
when that movie was happening, it was happening in the movie.

1393
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,119
That's all I heard. I was like, Oh, that's the

1394
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:44,280
GV studio is opening and stuff okay, check check this out.

1395
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,960
So maybe they're using the same thing that we're using.

1396
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,719
I'll tell Dylan off air what it is because I

1397
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:49,679
won't feel to know what it is.

1398
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:50,639
Speaker 2: But can you hear this?

1399
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: Let's see not right now?

1400
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:54,679
Speaker 2: How do I make it so you can hear it?

1401
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,119
Is there a setting have to hit? Or can you

1402
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:00,960
have the sound?

1403
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is it? Just quiet Place? Day two? Day two?

1404
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:11,679
That's okay, let's see here and the oh the there

1405
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:13,280
we go. It's gonna take me long.

1406
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, obviously Covenant came first, but yes,

1407
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:19,199
it must be just yeah, from some free sound effects

1408
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:20,719
the online website, or.

1409
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,679
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah, i'll tell you after I think

1410
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:25,400
I know what it's from. It's not it wouldn't be

1411
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,079
a sound effects thing. It's something. It's a I'll just

1412
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,800
say it's a landmark sort of course. My discord is

1413
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,840
not opening right now. Can you drop in the private

1414
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,480
chat here on stream? Damn discord.

1415
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:40,519
Speaker 2: I don't know how to make sound happen.

1416
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:43,199
Speaker 1: I don't know because for me sometimes I didn't used

1417
01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:44,239
to be able to do that, and then all of

1418
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,800
a sudden I could, So here we go, it's coming

1419
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,840
Quiet Place and what was that time stamp there? Okay,

1420
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:58,199
one twenty five, all right, it's coming. This is one

1421
01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:58,679
of six.

1422
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, I definitely, I definitely know what it

1423
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,760
is because they sound way too similar.

1424
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: So it's it's the exact same it's the exact same sample.

1425
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,920
I promise you no one would notice.

1426
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,079
Speaker 4: But GV Dylan, you just cracked it.

1427
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: Funny though. When I was watching the movie, I'm like, man,

1428
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,440
it must be yeah, it must have been like the

1429
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,840
theme an Alien too or something like that Aliens. But yeah,

1430
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,519
just in that moment, it clicks somehow.

1431
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get that one day when someone here

1432
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,920
is are opening and be like, you guys ripped off

1433
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,480
the Alien Covenant sound effect.

1434
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: And you're you're good. I would say, copyright wise, that sounds.

1435
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 4: You're definitely not yet quiet place there, hot water, And

1436
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,119
I thinking, no, no, it can't be copyrighted.

1437
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: If it's the thing, I'm thinking it's it's a natural sound.

1438
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,440
It's not like a sound that's on trademark.

1439
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just like.

1440
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it should be. There a GV Studios, Yeah,

1441
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:05,519
a big guy. All right, is there anything else we

1442
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:07,119
have not show?

1443
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 5: I did like the you know, vision at least like

1444
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,079
the first point of view the first.

1445
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: I think it's the second time, isn't it, because in

1446
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:17,320
the Ship.

1447
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: It is only the second time? In Alien movies, I

1448
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,840
have that in Trivia it's the only time from the

1449
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,960
alien's point of view only time, sorry, second time? Second?

1450
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,559
Speaker 2: What scene is that from?

1451
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:36,519
Speaker 5: It's it's like at the end when she has Walter

1452
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,000
like basically sending the alien to the terraforming room and

1453
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:44,480
then he's like open whatever door, and then it goes

1454
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,039
to the alien's point of view and then he's kind

1455
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,599
of like, I don't know, he's just got some weird

1456
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,519
effect on it.

1457
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1458
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,559
Speaker 5: I kind of liked it, especially just seeing like the

1459
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:55,280
way that he was like climbing through the tunnel. I

1460
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:03,239
think it's Aliens three. Yeah, So I don't know. I

1461
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,079
like this version a little bit more. I guess it's

1462
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,079
just a little bit more modern. It worked for me,

1463
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:10,360
and it's funny. Like you guys were just talking about

1464
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,079
the CGI, and I definitely agree. I think like all

1465
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,239
of the neo morphs looked awful, but for me, at least,

1466
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:19,920
I think the face huggers looked really good. And I

1467
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,960
actually liked the Zeno at the end. I think also

1468
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:28,440
just like seeing like a more modern day version of

1469
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,960
likes a CGI Zeno is and like in daylight too,

1470
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:36,199
like it's not really it's hidden by darkness. I still

1471
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:39,039
prefer like the original Alien where it's hidden most of

1472
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:42,000
the time. But I still thought it looked all right

1473
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:48,079
for a big climactic finish, just fighting the ship and yeah, nice.

1474
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1475
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,039
Speaker 2: A couple other things for me, I like the I

1476
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:54,400
mean I don't like. There's things I like and don't

1477
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,320
like bout it's the early sequence in the ship when

1478
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,079
everyone gets woken up, but then shit goes around and

1479
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:03,159
then they have to go out and like fix the wing.

1480
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,280
I like that sequence. It's I always like a good

1481
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,079
astronaut outside the space station having to fix something. It's

1482
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:13,880
always good, intense and then uh, Tennessee gets the that's

1483
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,760
when he gets like a bit of that signal coming in.

1484
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,279
So I like that sequence. I really Once again, I'm

1485
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,760
just I just think they do such a piss poor

1486
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,279
job of making you care about the protagonist character here

1487
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,239
of Daniels, but once again, to me, like James Franco's

1488
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,000
character just dying in his cell or in his cryo

1489
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:35,880
sleep thing is super lame. More lame than that is

1490
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,960
that she just like, yeah, I'm just gonna go on

1491
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,600
my iPad and watch this clip of like the good Times,

1492
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,279
and it's like, okay, audience, now you have to care

1493
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,800
about this because we showed you this a little clip here.

1494
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,560
But to me, it's just like the laziest form of

1495
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,720
writing to get us to feel invested in that relationship

1496
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:51,399
in that character.

1497
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 3: Man, I like, I was like laughing.

1498
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, in that sequence it is supposed to be like

1499
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,560
really sentimental because like when you first see him, I

1500
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,439
think you see like an image of him, and then

1501
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,800
I guess he's like in the pod and I'm like, man,

1502
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,760
that guy kind of looks like Franco. Like I'm like,

1503
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,640
there's no way it would be him for just like

1504
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:08,680
a quick camulate that.

1505
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes to the iPad. He's like rock climb.

1506
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,479
He's like, hey you and like.

1507
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 1: Where you weren't you?

1508
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 3: Hear us? We miss you. I don't know why my mind.

1509
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 5: I I mean, I guess I watched this is the

1510
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,319
End not too long ago, so that's like kind of

1511
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,520
where my mind went, and I just I just chuckled

1512
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,039
at it. But yeah, very strange small rule for him here.

1513
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: I said, there's a lot of de lead scenes, and

1514
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,920
they end up releasing all of those delead scenes before

1515
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,439
the movie come out as like a hype thing. I

1516
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,279
remember we talked about on Gie first. Remember they did

1517
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:40,640
that like nine minute pre log or whatever it was. Yeah,

1518
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,439
we reviewed that, I think, and uh yeah it's him

1519
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,920
with the whole crew and they're talking about and like

1520
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,199
the last things like all right, I'm going to sleep everybody,

1521
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:48,920
and I'll see when you wake up. Like you didn't

1522
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,479
say that's live. It's something like that.

1523
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:55,399
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you can androids grow hair naturally? Or did

1524
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,079
David do some weird science stuff to be able to

1525
01:09:58,119 --> 01:09:58,560
grow hair?

1526
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:01,279
Speaker 1: I guess they grow naturally. I guess that's part of

1527
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:03,319
the weird human stuff they gave him that people didn't like.

1528
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 5: Because then in the Prometheus he's like doing his hair, right,

1529
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,399
he's just bleaching.

1530
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: It was bleaching, Yeah he did, because as we can see,

1531
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,000
they start with just brown hair, but he bleaches it

1532
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:15,720
after that role. So but I didn't know it was

1533
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,640
it could grow, But I just accepted as Terminaior's hairs

1534
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,479
can grow too, So I guess just that's a robots.

1535
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: To because even what's your name? Winona's android like she

1536
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,880
has the same hair I guess technically as the rest

1537
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,279
of yeah, the short brown hair. So I don't know,

1538
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:32,880
I don't know. I don't know if they can naturally

1539
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,039
do that. Ever, once again, it was some weird experiment,

1540
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:38,039
but that was a weird detail. What did you guys

1541
01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:40,359
think of the opening sequence, like the True opening that

1542
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:43,520
with David and Whaleen having the discussion. I guess I

1543
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,199
felt like, can we kind of know this information? So

1544
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:48,039
maybe it's like a primer for people who haven't seen

1545
01:10:48,079 --> 01:10:51,039
all these movies or something, But I guess it didn't

1546
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:53,119
do much for me. But it was interesting to see

1547
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:57,520
Guy Pierce true age instead of you know, wrinkled age

1548
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,000
actor Kirkling hates you know.

1549
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was not a fan of the scene at all.

1550
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,960
And it wasn't just because of the Charcter.

1551
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: He fears, man, we gotta get and watch time machine,

1552
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,680
we gotta find something for him to like here with

1553
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,760
Guy pears.

1554
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm waiting, Like, it wasn't him that was bad.

1555
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:15,239
Speaker 5: I thought, like the look of the room looked cool

1556
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:18,560
and artsy, but uh, just not how I wanted this.

1557
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 3: This adventure to start.

1558
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 5: I think it just really prepped me for David and

1559
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,640
a lot of David, and uh.

1560
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does. I think, if anything, what

1561
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:32,560
it does is established that David has enough free will

1562
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,479
that he can kind of make his own decisions, because

1563
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,560
he's like, bring me that glass or something, and David

1564
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,439
kind of hesitates to do it clearly, like it's not

1565
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,960
like an order, like a command, it's you know, something

1566
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,600
that he understands what he's being asked, and then he

1567
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,760
decides he is going to do it because he wants

1568
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,920
to do it, rather than it just being like some

1569
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,119
thing that he can't even choose to do. He just

1570
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,079
has to follow that command. So maybe that's what they

1571
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:58,079
were trying to establish.

1572
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I yeah, I think it's a weird scene.

1573
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:03,319
It's it's tough because I feel like for this movie,

1574
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:05,079
I like seeing it enough because I always thought it

1575
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,119
was weird guy Pierce. This feels like this should almost

1576
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,079
be the opening for Prometheus in a sense, right, But

1577
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:12,680
I feel like they didn't want to tip off David

1578
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,319
was gonna be in so important Prometheus, because if you

1579
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:17,319
start with the robot right away, you know, Okay, this

1580
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:20,479
guy's gonna do something so it's tough. I think it's

1581
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,079
a scene that I enjoy. It shows more their complex.

1582
01:12:23,119 --> 01:12:28,039
It shows David already from the start. He's more questioning

1583
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:30,640
things like you're talking about Dillon versus our other Ais

1584
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,880
that have done this before, androids if never, they've always

1585
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,479
had a mission and they go. But it feels like again,

1586
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,039
it's kind of caught between these these movies of Alien

1587
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:41,359
Covenant and Prometheus and don't know where to go from there.

1588
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,720
So anything else.

1589
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 4: I had one scene I wanted to throw out, the

1590
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,840
fuck I can't remember it now, all of a sudden, Fuck,

1591
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,560
it's just disappeared from my brain.

1592
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: I got a lot of word jargon here coming up,

1593
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,640
so if it comes to you, let me know. Okay,

1594
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:08,119
So this is about like three paragraphs of just stuff

1595
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:09,760
that happened with this movie, stuff that happened.

1596
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 2: In the paragraphs are a few paragraphs because we've been

1597
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:11,960
down that.

1598
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: Three three specifically three let's see on November twenty fifteen, really,

1599
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,199
Scott nowns that this film would be the second following

1600
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,319
per me in a new trilogy that would play closer

1601
01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:27,600
and lead up to the original Alien film, so much

1602
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,359
like a Fantastic Beasts, you know, didn't get to see

1603
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:33,079
the Light Down in the same actress, right, yeah, exactly,

1604
01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:36,119
And god, let's hope that I don't read some trivia

1605
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:38,159
about the Batman one day of like the first film

1606
01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:40,600
of the planned trilogy, because you know, I always worry.

1607
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,800
But he later suggested that there might even be a

1608
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,039
fourth prequel film. However, the future series became uncertain after

1609
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:49,600
the purchase of Falk. Yeah. Next film was tentedly titled

1610
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,119
Alien Awakening, was set to enter production the same month,

1611
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,239
but according he was really trying to get it before

1612
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:58,239
the buy in there, I guess. But according to some

1613
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:01,840
sources of project was sheled and definitely the commercial underperformance

1614
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,920
of this film, as well as it's lukewarm reception by

1615
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,840
criticison fans his name is one of the reasons. Although

1616
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,880
no official stint was given. In early twenty nineteen, however,

1617
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,159
the script was called Alien Wagen actively actively being written

1618
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,600
and untitled Alien Prequel was officially in production of twenty

1619
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,520
twenty two. But that's I guess what Romulus probably is now, right,

1620
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,079
the untie production, Yeah, yeah, that's twenty twenty four and

1621
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:27,880
Alien prequels in production. I guess that's what Rominus was.

1622
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,039
Then that they ditched that for so yeah, I guess

1623
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:32,399
that was the idea that they were. He was trying

1624
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,359
to get a third one going. He was gonna start

1625
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:36,239
going the month of the buyout. But then once Disney

1626
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:38,199
got that, they're like, yeah, we were not. You're not

1627
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:42,039
doing that. Nice try, nice, try, buddy. The original tret

1628
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:44,960
of the movie is revealed was still development, was more

1629
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,920
Fateful sequel to Prometheus. You think you would probably do that,

1630
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:51,720
you know, win number two? Yeah, but you know which,

1631
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,439
I wonder how how is it more faithful to that

1632
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,079
when you've already killed off Shaw, you've killed out the engineers.

1633
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:02,439
That whole adventure UTI teased, you know is gone, but

1634
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,560
here it is would have drifted even further from the

1635
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,800
Alien franchise and focused almost exclusively on the backstory within

1636
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,279
the engineers, the origins of humanity and how engineers created

1637
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:14,960
humans and Xeno Wars again. I feel like, would people

1638
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,600
even care about engineers if you just saw David like

1639
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,600
kill them all? Like, I just I don't understand the

1640
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,840
thinking of that. I was like, well, let's go back

1641
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,600
and tell a story now. I feel like, maybe you

1642
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,359
do that, and then you end the movie with David

1643
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:28,279
popping up and like, oh man, the least is the

1644
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:31,000
third one, but weird. The prequel will then conclude with

1645
01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:33,600
the film that it'd sell a film that ties itself

1646
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:38,960
to the original Alien and its sequels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, however, dude, yeah,

1647
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,720
I already read that reaction Shell did and then we

1648
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,399
talked about this a little bit last week. But yeah.

1649
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:46,239
In twenty fifteen, writer direct Neil Blancan announced the plans

1650
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,000
to make a fifth Alien movie based on the ideas

1651
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:51,079
and artwork he had developed himself. The film would fall Aliens,

1652
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:55,119
thereby disregarding all the other sequels after two. Everyone was

1653
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:58,439
about yeah, Singory Wea or Michael Bean were reprise the role. However,

1654
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,359
blancamt was then asked to delay his project until Alien

1655
01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:04,159
Covenant was released. Scott Layer claimed that the studio had

1656
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:07,359
canceled the project altogether, which had been reportedly never developed

1657
01:16:07,359 --> 01:16:10,600
beyond a ten page story treatment. Although blond Cants stated

1658
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,680
that the project was officially dead, he had moved to

1659
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,000
other projects. Alien director Tatum Cameron said that he loved

1660
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:18,760
Blonecat's concept and hoping to work on him in the future.

1661
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:23,319
So some maybe, some, I don't know, he said. She

1662
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,920
said on Scott being like, oh, yeah, it was never

1663
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,800
a thing. A blondcat being like, well, we were gonna

1664
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,239
work on it, but now it's dead. So it sounds

1665
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:31,880
like he kind of strong armed him, but you know,

1666
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,960
he created it. So whatever Alien Covenant begins on December fifth,

1667
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,119
two thousand, one hundred and four and ends weeks later

1668
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:42,239
in twenty one hundred and five. That is seventeen years

1669
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,279
prior to Alien. So there you go, takes place seventeen

1670
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:48,680
years before. Let's see, I put that trivia twice, but

1671
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,119
that was not needed. Really. Scott made Promeedius to answer

1672
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:55,880
the question who would make such a biomedical engineering a

1673
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,960
genetic hideous thing? And for what reason? That film was

1674
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,159
always meant to be the first up answering that question,

1675
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:03,920
with Covenant continuing in the tail. This is why the

1676
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,840
film opens with a prologue showing David and Peter Whalen

1677
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,800
in the early days explaining the motivations to come. So

1678
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,520
that's why I was in there from their point of view,

1679
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,319
is to explain, like it was again just to set

1680
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:16,319
up with Prometheus. Did of like what's out there? Right?

1681
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,359
Speaker 2: That's that's where it's like, well, Prometheus do that?

1682
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Finally, in the earlier drafts, the film had

1683
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,319
the Ninomorph and the Xenomorph going for a fight, and

1684
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:29,319
in the layer draft there's gonna be a scene in

1685
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:32,239
the second the Ninomorph in the first Xenomore face off

1686
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:35,279
against Daniel's and opening the escape from the engineer Tempanal.

1687
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,399
These were scrap in the film but retained in the novel.

1688
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,520
So I guess there you go. Yeah, Tempanal. I don't

1689
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,760
know what that is, but yeah, so I guess in

1690
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,800
the book version of this movie, the Xenomorph and then

1691
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,279
Ninomorph do fight and then they go through.

1692
01:17:52,279 --> 01:17:54,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Batman in there too.

1693
01:17:55,279 --> 01:18:01,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I'll go because maybe I'll have the

1694
01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:03,199
most politic score on this. So, mister Muss, what is

1695
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:04,760
your fire and thoughts to score here?

1696
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, just I guess a general takeaway now

1697
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,840
that we've gone through every Alien movie with the exception

1698
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,600
of rom this because that has not existed yet, is uh,

1699
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,119
this franchise is pretty weak. Okay, Like I'm kind of surprised,

1700
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:20,680
at least for myself, because I really don't care for two.

1701
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,760
You know, three has some decent stuff and a resurrection

1702
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,840
is that one? And then even if you include the AVP.

1703
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,079
Obviously that kind of brings the average down, so to speak,

1704
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:31,800
in terms of the quality overall. But yeah, I guess

1705
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,880
I was surprising for me going through these again to

1706
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,399
just realize like how kind of weak these movies are

1707
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,159
for the most part. And I mean there's a lot

1708
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:41,079
of reasons for that, and we've kind of talked about

1709
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:42,920
those reasons through these episodes, so I don't need to

1710
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,319
rehash that. But yeah, I'm glad I rewatched this one,

1711
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,920
and I think I'm pretty pretty good to just skip

1712
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,600
it in the in the future. I mean, I've already

1713
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,680
been skipping it for seven years, so I don't see

1714
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,560
myself returning to this, And honestly, I don't think I'll

1715
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,760
return to many of these movies. I just don't think.

1716
01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:00,199
Maybe this is just not a franchise for me. But

1717
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:01,960
I really did not enjoy a whole lot of these.

1718
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,760
I think there's little parts or moments or certain things

1719
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,840
that I do enjoy throughout the experience, but it's it's

1720
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,199
not worth the time investment to go through all of them.

1721
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:20,439
So I think I'm gonna settle on a Hmmm, I forget.

1722
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,960
I don't know if I was even giving things numbers, and.

1723
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: I think you still were at that point, so.

1724
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: I'd be really curious to see what I gave it back.

1725
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, see if I can pull it up here, and see.

1726
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: If you can pull it up real quick. It might

1727
01:19:30,039 --> 01:19:32,359
be hard to snipe that. Actually, yeah, I'll hold off

1728
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:35,520
of my number until I hear that, So I'll throw

1729
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,159
over to Kirkland or Taylor here.

1730
01:19:37,079 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: And yeah, this has been a long time coming for me.

1731
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,000
I will, like I said, maybe maybe I'll go earlier

1732
01:19:48,079 --> 01:19:50,640
than seven years like Travis did for his rewatch, But

1733
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,760
I will rewatch this movie and very curious as to

1734
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,079
if it goes up or down or same ease. I

1735
01:19:57,159 --> 01:20:01,119
think right now, I think I'm gonna give it like

1736
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:04,520
a seven out of ten. I still think that I

1737
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,399
still think that's a pretty reasonable score. I still think

1738
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,720
like the world building and some of the intense sequences

1739
01:20:12,279 --> 01:20:13,439
really really deliver.

1740
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 3: Like we're kind of talking.

1741
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,119
Speaker 5: About the medical emergency sequence when everyone kind of gets

1742
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,520
just charred in the end result. But I do like

1743
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,720
the intensity of that sequence. I like the camera going

1744
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,319
from like just the character's perspective of like scrambling from

1745
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:32,399
like going from like medical room to out and then

1746
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,640
having our other characters on the radio, and then you

1747
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,039
have like tendency in orbit and just like everybody kind

1748
01:20:38,039 --> 01:20:41,239
of getting like glimpses of the chaos. So I think

1749
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:46,520
some moments like that really did capture the overall intensity

1750
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,319
and like anticipation suspense that these movies can.

1751
01:20:49,239 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 3: Really bring out.

1752
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,319
Speaker 5: Because those I think, that's like my favorite Alien is

1753
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:57,359
when it's in that like suspense, like waiting for something

1754
01:20:57,359 --> 01:21:01,119
to happen moment or just just things are rapping up

1755
01:21:01,159 --> 01:21:05,079
really really quickly. And yeah, I really like those moments.

1756
01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:06,880
I really like all the moments with the face huggers,

1757
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:10,560
and yeah, I thought across the board, I thought like

1758
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,279
the performances were not the issue of this movie for me.

1759
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:18,000
So it's really just like a big obsession with Michael

1760
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:23,199
Fassbender's David, I think is what's kind of holding me

1761
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:25,319
back from really enjoying the story and and just the

1762
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:28,279
whole decision to want to tell the tale of the

1763
01:21:28,319 --> 01:21:31,880
origin Dizinos. It's it's not when I really needed but yeah,

1764
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,920
I don't know. I still think there is some some

1765
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,600
good things in here, but yeah, that's kind of a

1766
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,359
big hurdle to get over to truly love this movie.

1767
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 3: And I don't.

1768
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 5: I don't think I'll ever get to that point, but

1769
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,800
we'll see, we'll see, maybe seven years we'll circle back

1770
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:47,159
to this.

1771
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,359
Speaker 1: So Dylan, yeah, Dylan, you get you did not give

1772
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:54,560
it a number because I remember after Logan. This one

1773
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,720
came after Logan. After Logan is when you stop giving numbers,

1774
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,640
because I remember there was a yeah, same year and

1775
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,319
that was later. So yeah, no, but he did say

1776
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:04,720
it was a bad movie and just recommend go watching Prometheus.

1777
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 2: So I'll give it a three. Then I'll give it

1778
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,720
to today that blade. Then I'm sure Dylan from twenty

1779
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,119
seventeen would be happy with that.

1780
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll I'll go next. I thought it

1781
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:22,760
was gonna be Hi than Kirk. I'm not a six

1782
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,560
point five because I always say seven to some point

1783
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,039
five was like that's where where I'd rewatch it. I

1784
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:30,079
think there's something because for me, I think I was

1785
01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:32,720
like a fail before so or like close to fail.

1786
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,800
So it's like a bit better. But I still think

1787
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,560
there's tons of things I don't enjoy with this one.

1788
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,560
So yeah, that's the thing where I don't feel the

1789
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,399
need to rewatch it. Like I said, Alien, I'd beg oh,

1790
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,920
well watch that Prometheus. Oh, I want to rewatch that,

1791
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,880
and maybe if I'm in the mood, i'd watch Aliens

1792
01:22:50,039 --> 01:22:53,279
or i'd watch in Covenant. But those first two I mentioned,

1793
01:22:53,319 --> 01:22:55,119
those are ones I could watch by himself and then

1794
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:57,800
feel happy and then move along. So I'm not saying

1795
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,840
I'll never watch this again. I probably will because I

1796
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,159
had I had more enjoyment this time. Who knows, maybe

1797
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:05,880
a third watch, I'll enjoy it even more. But uh, yeah,

1798
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,319
that's where I am. Is a six point you know,

1799
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:11,199
a six point seventy five actually, because the six point

1800
01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:13,439
five sounds a little too low, so I'll go with that.

1801
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,560
But mister Field and it's off here.

1802
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:21,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see myself running to rewatch this anytime soon.

1803
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,560
It has things that I do like and the things

1804
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,640
that I don't really like. I just get bothered by

1805
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:30,159
certain decisions that the characters make, and I feel like

1806
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:33,359
I'm just gonna sit on a six point five out

1807
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:35,840
of ten. I feel like I'm being a little bit

1808
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,159
more on the positive side. But like I said, I'm

1809
01:23:38,199 --> 01:23:41,239
not rushing to rewatch this. I will see it again

1810
01:23:41,279 --> 01:23:43,479
in the future eventually. I don't know when that'll be,

1811
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,319
but I'm sure there'll be a moment in time where

1812
01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:47,560
I'm craving just to see more of that Davy character

1813
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,039
back and just kind of explore more of the pathogen stuff.

1814
01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:52,600
The pathogen is a very new concept, and while it's

1815
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,640
trickled into some of the alien games, I think Aliens

1816
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,199
Fire Team Elite actually brought that in of course little

1817
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:03,159
bit so it gets kind of wacky and wild. But

1818
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:05,680
for me, I'm just a classic alien guy. That's that's

1819
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,760
my go to jam. I like it, and that's why

1820
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,680
I am ecstatic for Romulus to be pursuing this. Although

1821
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,840
I'm seeing rumblings that the people are talking about there's

1822
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,479
supposed to be like some black goop in Romulus maybe,

1823
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,600
so we'll be just going to see if that's a

1824
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,279
part of the story or not.

1825
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 3: You got a few paragraphs to go along with that.

1826
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got AVP Galaxy here. I'm gonna read a

1827
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:27,720
few paragraphs.

1828
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,279
Speaker 2: Do we know the timeline in Romulus is probably.

1829
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 4: Not between alien and aliens?

1830
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:37,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like heavy rumor that this alien's

1831
01:24:37,239 --> 01:24:40,159
like the same alien that Ripley like kicked away from

1832
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,600
the ship. So I don't know if they're going.

1833
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 4: To go that route, But Big Chap I think his

1834
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:44,119
name is.

1835
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: Yes, like Big Chap, like hit another ship took it

1836
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:51,960
over and that's what's happening. So we'll see. But yes,

1837
01:24:52,039 --> 01:24:53,600
they'll be next time. Film Wise, like we said, there's

1838
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,159
still a couple alien retros in not in the bank yet,

1839
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:58,119
but they will be coming. But yes, thank you if

1840
01:24:58,199 --> 01:24:59,800
you're just checking out the film stuff to being on

1841
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,960
this journey. There will be a rankings episode the week

1842
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:05,199
after so I'm not sure Robins if it's a newscast

1843
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:07,359
or if it's a separate one. Either way, we will

1844
01:25:07,399 --> 01:25:11,239
rank you know, best scenes, characters and all the movies

1845
01:25:11,279 --> 01:25:14,279
once we've seen Robinson go from there so until next time,

1846
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:15,359
it will not be boring.