Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Alien retrospect
of our final film. In the Retrospective, I'm the clown
Prince of Flutes Trust. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I'm the Captain kerkle Patzer, I'm a Marcasterdomas the pathogen,
tato Field the Pathogen.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are here. As I said,
this is the last film. You can go back if
you're just jumping on now. For some reason, we did
the first Alien, we dated Aliens, we did those you
know sequels that maybe not another gracet, We did the
crossover with a VP, and now last week we did Prometheus,
the semi origin of the Alien. And then we got
a little bit continuing here, whoa Krookland is getting taken
right now by the engineers. Maybe turn that down a
little bit, Yeah, you do whatever, So, but yes we're here,
so you go back those and then there's still two
coming up, like we said, side Quests Dylan and Taguman
covering in Isolation, so check that out. And then we'll
be doing a kind of comic book one where we're
gonna talk about Predator versus Wolverine, Predator versus Black Panther
Aliens versus what is it? Avengers and then the short
film Faan made the classic one Batman Dead End where
it's Batman versus Alien versus prior. Oh my, So that's
a fun little things we've topp on the podcast. We'll
do it there, but yeah, I'm gonna do a little
bit differently because I feel like I'm gonna contextualize this
review here. So we have this is where we're dipping
our toes a little bit going forward right now. We
did this with Deadpool and Logan just not too long ago,
where there are movies that we said, hey, we won't
do this until after five years, and it has been
five years plus. It's something where okay, we record this
on the old mic, so the audio maybe not, it
is good, not good to re release and lotso have
not seen this film since the first time, which we'll
talk about interview. But to give you some context, this
is all the way back to two thousand. Fuck at eighteen,
look look at the look at young Taylor Field. I'll
dressed up for the Golden Geek nominations. But to put
this in preference for the Golden Geek nominations, we were
doing nominees for the worst film, and we had Ghosts
and the Shell Parts Caribbean. I oh god, what was
that last.
Speaker 3: One called death no death note?
Speaker 1: No no no no, no death note was separately the
Pirates of Caribbean? Was that last one called with ed
and remember.
Speaker 2: Tales?
Speaker 1: Was that it di'montonotails? And then Jigsauce sucks? Okay, so
I'm gonna guess Jigsaw might be won that year. We
just put Austie. It's Jesu Austie. It's just Jigsaw, the
Saw film. But then for that fifth slot, which it was.
I watched a little bit of it, go check it out.
That was a contested one, but we just couldn't really
think of another one was Alien Covenant. So I would
now have thought we were reviewing a you know, worst film,
Golden Geese contender, But here we are. I do have
to do some fact checking because, much to Dylan and
Briggs dismay, we did get David in for best Villain.
So I don't know if that's ever happened where there's
been a film that's got a worse picture. Well, we
don't know, do them anymore? Just because near the end
that category is really becoming nothing. It was just like
we're throwing round stuff in like.
Speaker 2: One movie, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'd have to go back and look at
that history because I don't think it is. I think
that you'd always have oh that was a write off,
but you did have fastben or making his way in there.
And here we are, So you know, I'm gonna start here,
and I'm gonna say I don't know if it's a
hot take, because told me some things. I if I
had a time machine, would no longer put it in
the worst film. I would not say this is a
great movie. I still say I have issues. But for
some reason, I enjoyed this a lot more than I
did the first Girl Round, Maybe because I think a
big thing for us and we'll get into it. I
still wish we got the movie of David and Shaw
and the exploration all that stuff right That to me
was the movie. I was real more excited. So when
I saw for the first time and they ripped that
plot and that plot gets answered in a two minute
weird montage at the time, I think I was really pissed.
And there's definitely some bad things about this movie, but
I was like, man, this is such a bum er,
how lame, and they didn't because of what I really
liked about Prometheus. I feel like they didn't do with Covenant.
They really wanted to be alien focused. Knowing that going in,
I think I enjoyed a lot, I not think I
did enjoy a lot more. And also, for some reason,
I remember the first time we saw in theaters. I
remember this thing being a slog like I remember because
this thing's only like an hour forty or something, but
I remember it feeling like two and a half hours,
like this thing's taken forever. We're even this time. The
scenes that I remember being solder like David, the caves
and everything, it didn't feel as bad. So I can
say I would pass this film. Now, I don't think
I passed it in our original review if I gave it,
if it was passed, it was like a five out
of ten, but I could go higher or wait till
the ending. But yeah, I was surprisingly more positive on
this review. So now if anyone asked these questions, was like, hey,
what's one you turn around on? Not saying I love this,
but I remember having disdained for this film, where now
so many years later, has a lot of issues some
really dumb moments. But I I could watch this again
now and not feel like, oh, I'm just watching the series,
or i'd watch for me and stop. I think I
can watch this now. So I was quite surprised. So
that's my take on Alien Covenant in twenty twenty four,
So just before.
Speaker 4: Or after AVP two. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I watched this before, so that's probably yeah. But the
sale no, I because for me has ended, and I
think I watched this almost like two weeks ago. I
just wanted to get right to Covenant because I was like,
man like, I just want to know like that drop off,
like what's it like? And for me it wasn't as best.
But again, it's like someone one situation you get kicked
in the nuts, and then other situation someone says, hey
about to kicking the nuts. At least you can tense
up and get ready. You know, you can absorb the
block a little bit. So yeah, let's go next.
Speaker 3: Still side say kicked to the nuts. It does, I'll
take the baton here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wasn't on the original retro.
Speaker 1: If it's when you're gone in that era, if you
would have been there, review would.
Speaker 5: Where I was living wherever, I was probably on the
Prometheus ship with David, But yeah, this was much anticipated one.
It's funny because coming to this review, I've probably talked
to probably like seven people total in my life that
have seen this movie and give me in their take,
and all but one said that.
Speaker 3: This isn't really a good movie and they didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 5: So I was somewhat in the middle. I feel like
coming off of Prometheus as well, like I, I do
really enjoy that film. I feel like I had certain
expectations coming into it, even though I had been told
by everyone that, you know, it doesn't quite meet the
expectations that maybe what they had or where their bar
was set.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: For whatever reason, I had pretty optimistic perspective coming into it,
and I must say I was let down by this movie.
Speaker 3: I was I felt like I was really.
Speaker 5: Waiting for the moment to get fully hooked in because
I think something that this movie does similarly to Prometheus
is the world building and like just the scale of
the locations that we're at, or maybe just like the
quality of the CGI with like the alien and the
face huggers, and this movie just looks really really stunning.
Speaker 3: In my mind.
Speaker 5: So I feel like all that was top quality, but
just like the actual story of like David and Walter
and I guess mostly David and just the whole thing
wrapped around these Zenomorse. I didn't love what they were
introducing us to in Prometheus, and here I really don't
love the follow up, so that's a big bummer. I
just really really don't like that story decision, which is
like the main plot of this. I still think though,
like our Space Adventures, just going through their turmoil and
like finding the planet and and the location where the
engineers were and just kind of like like just coming
like following the footsteps maybe of the people that were
at this location beforehand. I do like all that stuff,
and I do like the actual look of the alien
and uh just kind of like the ending sequence. I
feel like it's it's pretty fun they they tread the
same path that like that alien movies always tend to
do with getting rid of the zeno more for thinking
they're free. Oh there's something on the ship. Like it's
kind of funny how many times that has happened. Now,
especially now that we're like we're going through the retro,
it's all super super fresh so anytime that there is
like a callback to any of those older movies, it's
just like I just saw this a couple of weeks ago,
But I.
Speaker 1: Really hope Ramos doesn't do that where they and they
don't escape, and I think I'm worried they're going to
do it, and just I hope they tread lightly with
that because it does been so much the Surprise Alien,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean Michael, like, I feel like performances across the
board are all like really good. It's just like the
actual like writing of the story plot and like I
feel like I don't even have that many cues with
like individual characters. It's just like all of it together
is not It's it's a nice looking meal, but like
not one that I'm a fan of. So I just
don't think i'll maybe ever really like fully fall in
love with this movie. However, like even just thinking about
it now, like I still am curious how I'll feel
by marinating on a little bit and then actually revisiting
the film with like, I don't know this. The second
viewing of anything is always interesting unless it's super super caudat.
Speaker 1: In seven years like me, And then maybe you know,
but like that's the thing that another a reratro of cominent.
We keep this movie. We all thing is like fine,
too bad. We just keep like it's gonna be good
this time, right, We're gonna watch it, and like, I like,
I don't even think.
Speaker 5: It's like god awful or anything like that. It's just
it's somewhere above like the middle. Like I think it's
above average, and there is still things in here that
I do enjoy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just felt like it.
Speaker 5: Was missing something for me to really really, I don't know,
just fall in love with it. And that's a little
unfortunate long anticipated, But yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna city before one of you guys goes. I
was trying to see if I get Kirklam to Greek
because worst film is tough, but I was trying to
see for our best bad guys. We had David, we
had Penny Wise, we had Kylo Wren. I don't know
who those bottom two. I think that's Vulture, like oh
love and I think Vulture. So yeah, that's quite a category.
Kirkla and looking at that, do you think he deserved
a best villain?
Speaker 3: Nome Day They're just say fazzy.
Speaker 1: So this is fast ye right or not not us? Yeah, Taylor,
look at him? Look at him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Oh no, like like as a a contender with those
other ones.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's at the bottom with all you
can win it.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm just saying, yeah.
Speaker 5: I like I like David a lot more in Prometheus
than this. I feel like it's just a lot more
layers here. He's just he's just straight bad. So I mean, yeah,
even then, I don't know if i'd put him on
that list.
Speaker 1: Okay, mister Muss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is an interesting one. I
didn't listen to our review again or that Golden Geeks
to hear what my thoughts were at the time, but
I you know, I definitely remember really not like in
this movie when we did the review. But yeah, it's
one I've not ever rewant watched since then, and you know,
I think there's something about it where I definitely, as
we you know, went through all these alien movies, of course,
I wanted to go through and watch this one again.
But it's it's interesting that, you know, in recent times
on the feeds, as you mentioned there, Travis like did
Deadpool and Logan like re reviews of those and like
I didn't I was in all those episodes because I
didn't really feel like I needed to. I don't feel
like I would have really had any new or interesting takes,
But I really wanted to give this movie another true shot,
especially after it spin a while since I've seen Prometheus.
Kind of yeah, excited to see that next chapter of Prometheus,
even if I've already seen it before. But really all
I remember is just, man, I really didn't like what
they did with a Fastbender and that was kind of
where and like I can remember, you know, like specific
scenes and whatnot, but for the most part, it's like, man,
seven years has gone by, and like I'm feeling that,
Like this movie does feel like it was a long
time ago and I've forgot a lot of it. And obviously
I didn't like it, so I don't really think about
it very much either, so I don't spend much my
my brain energy to consider it over and over again.
But going through it this second time here, the first
thirty minutes, I was like, man, I'm really enjoying this,
Like what's going on? Am I gonna have this full
turn here? Am I actually gonna end up liking this?
When it's all said and done. But then it's just downhill.
It is downhill. It is nose diving after that first
thirty minutes there, and I think for me it kicked
in when I saw fucking David with the long hair,
looking like air Gorne and running through the woods and
I'm like, I don't know, I already hate this and
I'm at.
Speaker 1: The same place it did for you in the original too.
Speaker 2: When yeah, I'm there, I'm in the exact same place again,
where like I'm immediately don't like the vibe that we're
going for here, and then it truly just yeah, nose
dived from there. So yeah, I'm excited to break down
some of that. I feel like with David and I
want to have this discussion. I'm serret one's gonna go
back to our review. I'm sure we had some of
these same discussions, so I might be repeating myself here,
but I feel like I just need some I need
like an explainer on this guy's motives because I just
I didn't find it very compelling or I didn't really
understand even like why he's doing what he's doing. I
think that's why it makes him not a very good villain, uh.
For me in terms of the rest of it, Like,
I think the action's pretty bad in this movie, Like
the Seachye sucks in this movie. The aliens look awful
and yeah, really bad. I think the acting comes and goes.
It's funny. I forgot about so many people in this
Like this has like the Pineapple Express boys in here.
You know, we got James Franco and Danny, but I
totally forgot about that. I think for me, one of
the weakest things is the main actress. What's her name,
It's it's Catherine Waterston. Yeah, I think I think she's
really really weak in this movie, and she's kind of
the lead. She's in that Ripley spot or that Elizabeth
Shaw spot, and that's where that that really didn't work
for me. And then I like a couple of the
other characters in there, Like I actually think Danny McBride,
like he's he's he fits well in this even though
he is known as a very comedic guy. And some
of the other characters all bring up later so there
are some moments there. But yeah, there's just there's very
little to like about this movie for me. And even
and like once again, just the questions I had from
Prometheus again. You know, seven years later, I'm I'm left
wanting so much more, like the sequence we spend in
that ship that crashed, Like I thought watching this again,
like Okay, they left it because like the storm and
things are going wrong, but then we're gonna go back there,
We're gonna get more information. But no, we never do that.
We just spend the whole movie in David's little laboratory
here and then the movie just kind of ends in
a way that we've seen before. So yeah, this this
movie sucks, and it still sucks seven years later, and
I wish I felt differently, but man, this is a
this is a real disappointment. Once again. It hurt me
all over again.
Speaker 4: Mister Field, Well, I think the last time I saw
this movie was probably in theaters. Now that being said,
I have gone and watch like snippets from it on online,
and there was the extended scenes that they put out,
which I was quite surprised that the Disney Plus version
actually combined everything into the extended version, so you would
have got scenes that were not in the theatrical release,
like when it's the flashback of David arriving on the
planet and he drops the path pathogen down that was
not in the original scene.
Speaker 2: You get that that was the the original it was.
We talked about a few scenes I remember from much
on the.
Speaker 1: Review because we were all pissed about it. Well, at
least me, Dale and Briggs work.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the whole scene, but
I like, I don't know if David. I'm sure David
was there and the cutoup scene before, but that happened.
Speaker 1: Because I think we weren't happy with daily the whole thing.
Let's go find the engineers and what's the big hang up? Well,
in a minute, they just killed the engineers and there's
that storyline just gone. So that was definitely in the
original cut.
Speaker 4: What about the scene with Shaw because I feel like
seeing her body carved out that I don't think that
was an original too.
Speaker 1: Yep, that was all in there.
Speaker 2: Maybe the Disney Plus cut does not extended me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think you might be misrememrying in
some stuff. I think there's some more Shaw stuff because
I know there's like Franco has cut out of the movie,
like he has like five to ten minutes and they
cut all that out and just let him be a
burning body. Which is kind of funny. But yeah, no,
that stuff was in the original.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. I think I would have given a lot
lower score if that stuff wasn't in there, because I
don't even like the resolute poorly answered yeah, at least
it's in there, like okay, especially because we gonna get
a third but yeah, that's definitely in there.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I feel like these movies, unfortunately, are just really Scott
kind of redoing Alien in a way. He like he
created the baseline for here's the egg, here's the impregnation,
Here's the xenomorph that comes out of that. But now
I just feel like he's just while he's building to that,
I feel like he's also retconned it and just like,
this is what I really wanted to do. This is
a story I really wanted to tell him. Maybe that's
the case, maybe he just didn't have the technology to
tell this story back in the day, but.
Speaker 1: I just reconded it at all. Though it's still the
aliens being created in the like the first aliens just
on the ship, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like the story, just the alien in general, has
just gotten the shaft because we got all of these,
like it's so different from what he's trying to tell
this new story as being where we have this pathogen
that it's evolved into spores that eventually involved into giant
mosquitoes that evolved into either just outright killing or impregnating
the hosts, and all these different things that followed suit
after that, and so and the David creating the eggs
and the ultimately the eggs and the alien just being
the final thing. And I agree with you guys that
the CGI is not great in some regards, but I
think the scenery it has that really scott feel. When
they're landing on the planet, it's just beautiful. And some
of the set pieces are great when they're scaling around
and I really enjoyed that. But once they're inside the
little temple place with David, I can't get on board
with a lot of the characters decisions. I feel like
they make stupid choice and I don't like how like
two thousand colonists are entrusted to this crew. This crew
is just a bunch of idiots. They're making horrible choices
and it really bites them in the butt. And yeah,
I just I don't like that the aliens were so
heavily cgied I think that's just a real, real down
words spiral compared to what we've seen before. I mean
we just we talked AVP too. I mean, look at
how many alien practical effects did that have and we
have this which would have had a much bigger budget.
I'm assuming it's just something but that they relied on CGI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then there's a difference that we talk about
how bad those movies look like, they look good, but
as far as like the darkness are cineatography before, that's
where we all say, oh, this movie looks good for this,
this and this, So that's where they actually spend the
money on making the film.
Speaker 2: Look two and a half times more than AVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's something for me. It's like the location wise,
one thing I wanted to ask you is that how
do you who do you entrust with the columnists? Then,
because that this year we did plan the apes and
they also send four people and then an interstellar they
also I think send for people. So like, how many
people in your mind do you need to send to
have like two, Like what's your right amount of astronauts
for calumnists to be like this is how many people
we need to uh restart a planet, well.
Speaker 4: Like a crew to maintain the colonists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you said, like, why would they send these.
Speaker 2: More than the intelligence.
Speaker 4: It's the intelligence and the training. I think that their
training was not adequate enough, because again, you don't expect
unexpected things to happen, and of course, but you need
to be prepared for that. So when this woman is
in the ship and she trapped the one girl inside
the midday and the other guy's freaking out and the
girl locks the door and she's crying, and she's on
the comm saying you get back, get back, and she's
running back and forth, dropping her guns, grabbing more guns,
running back and forth like a fucking idiot. I understand
this is something you've never encountered before. It is unexpected,
and you are clearly exhibiting your lack there of training
for such as situation, which I get it's unexpected, but
you're in space, you're doing a very dangerous one way trip.
You need to be like properly trained for this year stuff.
Speaker 1: You could argue, though, I think that character's dumb, and
that that's where I'm the reverse of you. Guys. Actually
don't like the first act because it's just filled with
characters doing dumb stuff. From the beginning of even Billy
Kreb's character, I kind of get he's having a complex,
But to have this complex and put all these lives
on line to make this decision like this isn't track
for me at all. I get what they're trying to do,
and it's almost in comparison to Dave and having gone
like a leader god complex. I think the whole first
act has these characters doing stuff that I don't understand,
But with that one, I don't like all the dumb decisions.
She runs back and forth flows the ship, but you
would think technically, if she's there to protect these two thousand,
you know, calumnists, then that is the right decision, right
is to just lock that lady up and even if
she dies, she dies, like I think that is.
Speaker 4: Even though she got blood on her face and she
thinks she's fine.
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, that's dumb and she should get in
there with them. But technically, if you think some thing,
which also shout out to the male actor who plays
the possessed body, really good job, because he's terrifying in
that scene, like the movements. He's doing everything like good.
I don't know if he's still acting. I hope someone
saw that game some work because I just watched, Like, man,
he's doing a really good job because it is frightening
and just shaking everything. But I think that makes sense.
But there's the rest of the stuff of running back
and forth and opening the opening, So yeah, they make
some really dumb character choices in there, but I wasn't
sure as far as and even then, technically you could
argue that if I guess Franco's character is alive, he
was the right man for the job, right because they're
gonna stay on course, I imagine, But Billy Kredup kind of
a ruined that trajectory.
Speaker 2: By comes the new captain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I I kind of get it when he's like, well,
no one wants to go back to sleep, but it's
it still is like you're gonna go to this planet
that you know nothing about versus this other planet you've
charted out for It's a very loose reasoning to get
us to the new planets, Like.
Speaker 4: Do you do you get to sign like a contra
tract like you're sleep and cry out and this fucker
decides to go to a whole nother planet, like man
that's got they want to sleep well, right, like the colonists.
So I mean, you sign a contract, Yeah, I'm gonna
go to or Guy six, So signing this document for
but all of a sudden, you're fucking captain who is
the second in command who's now main captains, like, yeah,
we're gonna fuck off and go with this planet instead.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, i'd want agreed with him though, except
for Daniels.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, but you're saying the people, yeah, he's saying.
Speaker 4: The other colonists they're asleep, like they sign up for
Guy six, but.
Speaker 1: They got to You gotta sign with the captain's orders, right,
That's what that You sign up knowing that there's one guy,
make one guy or gal making the decision, and that's
that's I mean.
Speaker 2: That's where that's one of the weakest things about this
One thing I loved once again about Prometheus is just
all the different character motivations, and I felt like you
could really chart it all and figure out what they
were doing. Then there was just the right amount of mystery,
whereas the tension here between the crew is like, Okay, Daniels,
who they're trying to set up, is like the big
protagonist new Ripley's slash Shaw. She doesn't want to go
to the colony ever or to the new planet, which
makes Euse does. And then so obviously they're all wrong
and she's right. So as if you were like, Okay,
I guess she's right. She's smart like this character and
love this character. But that's it. That's like the only
choice that any of these characters really make in this
whole movie is just like it made it very right
at the very beginning. I don't like that there isn't
really any shades of gray or anything. It's it's really
just like these two sides, but there's not even intrigued
to why the different characters feel this play or want
to make this decision. It just kind of happens and
we don't really go any deeper on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything, like the
only other decision is that lady when she decides to
lock the other one in there, But that's also not
a like I think it's a good decision.
Speaker 2: Like a fight or flight, just like her individual survival thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like Tay says, it's shake because she's
also exposed. So it's like you don't. You kind of
have to. You're both in your bouf out. You can't
have it one because like, what's the situation. It was like, oh, well,
I was in there, but I'm completely find like Nike.
And then when she still opens it and everything's in there,
it's not I.
Speaker 4: I she shoots the fuel cells and blows the ship
of like she's.
Speaker 1: Just I just wish, I just wish there was a
way you could make that sequence without having to make
her dumb. Just make them both in there. The thing
pops up, kills the other one, it gets out, she
goes to shoot it, missus flows up, Like, yeah, you
don't have to make the integrity of your character, which
especially like it's not Damn and Bride's fault because like
I'm not like I'm supposed to feel bad for him
because he just lost his wife, but it's tough to
feel bad for him because like, I dislike this idiot character,
which shouldn't be like, like I would never feel bad
Like in real life, i'd still feel bad if I
didn't like someone's partner in the pass way, i'd feel
bad for them, But in a movie context, it's like
she kind of like started all this, Like, I just
there's such an easy way this alien thing. Just make it.
Just overpower them. I'll smart them whatever, And that's it.
Not this character running back and forth and tripping and slipping.
It's just like a it's an awe. That's where it
feels like a weird b rate horror movie for me
in that moment. And that's great, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean weirdly. As much as I don't like this movie,
I think that scene is really good. I really enjoy
that scene. I really like that character. I think she
actually has some of the best acting in this whole
movie in that sequence. I really buy into her desperation
and how much she's freaking out. And I honestly put
me in that situation. And I'm not a combat specialist,
like I'm sure she is not, and I would probably
do the exact same thing and the exact same order
as her. I'd be like, it would make sense to
quarantine that person. I think her slipping on the blood
when she comes in the room with a gun is
like actually really good. Like the tension of that is
would you.
Speaker 1: Go back in there?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: Would you not wait for? Like? Why would you open
that door again? If the person's been killed, Like, would
you open that door that's where it seems where's to
contain the person and then reopen it?
Speaker 2: I probably would. I probably would not. I'd probably wait
for people. But I also maybe she just feels like
she just doesn't really have time and she wants to
try and save her friends, so she's gonna try and
take an attempt at it. She has the gun, she
feels like she can do it. So that seems funnily
enough for all the negativity I'll bring on this cast.
I actually like that. I think the performance from Amy
Amy SeMet Ce, yeah, acting one. I thought she did
yeah really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When we go on our space mission, though dylt.
Speaker 2: Dinny McBride was sad that she died. I was like, yes,
I do, am sad.
Speaker 1: We're keeping dealing up with Danny McBride. When we go
on our space mission. You know, well we'll Taylor guard
the door there. But yeah, we we get this moment
where they decide, uh yeah. We forgot to mention. James
Frankoy is in this cut of the movie, but he
dies in hyper speed because it's terrible or hyper sleep
terrible way to go. Just you wake up and gets
set on fire. But this gets the wake up gold. Yeah,
this does get the crew very kind of you know,
they're they're unglued, they're unchecked, they're not feeling themselves. Like
the Billy crept to say, no one wants to go
back in there. So he's the captain. They have the
storyline which is like I wish they got more into it.
Billy Credits just decided that they all fucking hate him,
and like, either I wish I got more into it,
or they told the rest of the cast like yeah,
be really shitty Billy Credit, because like, I don't get
the sense that they really hate it. I get the
sense that they might have just preferred Franco as the captain.
But he just talks about like this just don't respect me.
It's just like, well change, Like.
Speaker 4: I gotta punish them for having a moment.
Speaker 1: He didn't say punish. Yeah, well yeah, they're breaking like
they're breaking order. It's like, well yeah, dude, like even
his wife, it's it's a fucking husband and captain, like
give her a break? Like it we need I think
we need more context on what's going on with Billy
Kreb's character. And it sucks because he's a great actor,
So I think if you give him stuff that you on,
you could, but it feels like a very half big
stort or feels like we're missing scenes out of it,
you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was That was one character I didn't know
he was even in this movie, and I love Billy Kreudup,
so I had like such high expectations for his character
and I was severely let down.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: It feels like even in like the beginning, like there's
no as you laid out, like there's no indication of
like our crew really hating him. It seems like they're
all just kind of agreen when he's like, uh, you know,
like it takes a moment for I guess the people
that were lost, and then like they're just trying to
get onto the next thing, and then they all just
kind of have his support. So yeah, very very weird turn,
I guess, just with what happens with that character. And
it seemed it seemed like they just didn't really have
it like fully structured what they wanted to do with him,
and like to me, at least, it seemed like they
had changed their mind a couple of times with his character.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's also he was the one that
was faith based, right, and people like comming on that
a little bit. I wonder if it was like again
a half big idea of Scott trying to comment on
the way people review religious people nowadays, Like tons of
people are religious, but then there's somes of people even
like myself, that think if people are guided by religion,
it's like, hey, you're going to farni thik. He was
maybe trying to go that way because everyone was more
science pace, but again there's not enough of that to
glom onto. I just remember because he says something thing
right and they're just like whatever Wallerston's character tells him
to f off in like a jokey way, or like
even his wife's like always the unbearable, Like he says
like something about praying or having faith and they like
kind of like kind of like laugh it off, like okay, buddy,
Like that's like that. It almost feels like religion. And
we got that more so in Prometheus, where religion and
belief because remember Sean, her husband, they were looked as
like kind of kooky if like, oh, you guys like
believe in like a greater power or like a god
like so I think that was them trying to do
that again, but in Prometheus it's just much better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I thought he was super weak in here
because he to me, he's the peak of character making
just dumb decisions over over again in this and I
didn't really know like what that was for, what the
purpose of that was. I guess once again, it all
comes back to that thing where they're trying to like
he's the one who ultimately makes the call that they're
gonna go down about planet, and so it makes you
invested in Daniels again. That's like just all I feel
like they're trying to go for here with a lot
of this establishing stuff, but that was obviously a bad
decision to plan when they had once they were there
on foot, was all really bad. And then for me
when fucking David bats him into his laboratory room and
he's like, oh, don't where They're not going to hurt you.
Go take a look to see what the fuck is
wrong with the guys so so dumb. So to me,
there was not a single redeemable quality about him, So
I didn't care when he died, And then it made
it hard for me to really feel invested in that
kind of whole storyline so super weak.
Speaker 1: I don't care, man, I still love David though his
fastburner's delivery. Anytime he's David, he's just like I need
that guy on a tour, guy for like a haunted
mansion or something. Just his voice and octave and like,
how did you feel about Walter we get to meet
a newer model.
Speaker 3: I was expecting the voice at all. That was the
That was a big shocker.
Speaker 5: I feel like I was surprised, though have like a
fully good fastbender bought. I just was not expecting that
all at all. I really just thought it was like
David coming into it. So when they're calling am Walter
in a different place, I'm like, oh wow, this is
this is crazy. I had no idea this character was
a thing. I will say though, for me, I felt
like it was like way too obvious that David switched
with Walter at the end, and it's like it's like
a really like slow like burn to like get to
the point of like, oh my god, it's actually David,
and then it's like mine freak, Like it's just like
like a twist happens in the film, but it's not
a twist at all. It's just like, oh, yeah, that's
exactly what I thought was gonna happen. And then they
have the ending and it's just for me, it was
it was incredibly unsatisfying, and like I was actually hoping
that it was just gonna be Walter and like, oh wow, okay,
they actually changed it up. It seems so obvious that
it was to be David, but it's not. It's Walter
and it's gonna be a nice, happy ending. No, it's
fucking David the whole time. Like it just yeah, that
that that really bugged me. Actually in the ending, I
don't I didn't like David really at all in this film.
I'm pretty aligned with what Dylan was saying early, like
as soon as I saw him, and I'm like, oh no,
like this this is gonna be like just a totally
twisted version of David that we've seen from Prometheus, and
that's pretty much what it was. And yeah, just like
a pure evil type character that didn't really I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it's pure evil though. That's why I'm confused by
you guys saying like I feel like, hey, matches up
exactly what they're doing Prometheus, where he just wants to
still create and he's so fascinated by that idea. And
even that's.
Speaker 2: Where I why, why why does he have that fast.
Speaker 1: Because it's like that conversation he had with Hallway, right,
it's just because he can and because he's looked upon
his like bottom of the food chain, like you can
do nothing, like oh that would be a shame, but
you don't feel emotions, right, Like he he's trying to
what he lacks as an android. He's trying to make
up for by creating these things and feeling some sense
of life and purpose and feeling something that is needed
in the universe where all androids are not there, they're
meant to serve there, right, And that's where you know
it is a meme. Despite the kissing, I like that
he's like trying to get Walter to turn that side
of Like even then with Walter, I think they toy
with different things, which again they don't jump into fully,
but they tore with the idea that he loves Warson's
character and it's like that's something that this model have.
He's like, well, why would you feel that You're not
programmed to feel that way, You're not supposed to do
but that's the only way. He's like, Oh, well, no,
I'm programmed to protect her. It's like, yeah, but that's
not you how you would describe it. So I think
it's just the idea of these AI robots, like our
conversation day in life, like they're taking on greater means,
going past what they were built to do. And I
think that's just like what he This is him like
escalated to the further degree of Holloway was like the
first experiment and it worked, and he saw the thing
that came out of shit and he saw everything that happened.
So David being fascinating boy that just wants to go
to a higher level. And I agree with Kirkham where
the reveals lame because they like sit on for so
long that it's Walter. But I love that that It's like,
that's a horrifying thing. If you were that person, if
you were Watrison's character, think, like this guy he just
found out that he would look what he did with
Shaw with one person for over ten years, what the
fuck is he gonna do with two thousand people? And
I think it's just that he's I don't think he's
a sociopath. I don't think he's out to hear people.
He just wants to see, k what's the next step
of evolution kind of like him, Like, I think it's
his idea of being whatever Wayland was and he can
be that. So that's what I feel like. It just
fits with exactly where he was in Prometheus, you know.
Speaker 4: Two things with him, because you have Walter and David
having an interesting conversation where Walter calls out him in
those earlier models where people felt uncomfortable around them, yes,
which I like, yeah, and it's the creativity ambition that
they had that wasn't it wasn't okay.
Speaker 1: And then the other I wonder what the other their
models were, like, Oh, they probably weren't doing this degree,
but I wonder what they were why people follow uncomfortable
about them? Right? Like why because even the conversation he
has with Hallway in the first one, that's like Hallway
is like, something's fucking wrong with this rope, like and
you can see him process that, right, So I wonder
back on Earth where they just like I don't know,
where they touchy feely, where they like, I don't know.
I wonder why they discontinued this model. We know why,
but just on Earth or wherever in space, like what
else were they up to?
Speaker 4: You know? The other thing that I like was, as
you mentioned, like the freakiness of David. When Daniels is
basically she sees what happened with Shaw and David just
kind of approaches her. And this is right before Walter
pops back in. But Daniels is like, like, what are
you gonna like what? She says, what are you gonna
do to me? Or what did you do to her?
And he David just looks at her and says, I think, okay.
I think Daniel's like, what are you gonna do to me?
And he David just says the same thing I did
to her. And it's just this freaky because she saw
what happened to Sean. It was not pretty, so it
just puts that fear factor out there. He just he's
really good at being a villain in this role. And
this version of David scared me a lot more than
the Prometheus one because Prometheus I still felt like he
was just back and forth serving Whalen and he was
just kind of dip in his toes. But in this
it's like he appears he hates that his uh, I
think it was a neo morph. The first white alien
gets killed and he's trying to communicate with it, and oh, like.
Speaker 1: That seems good. I love that scene when it gets
cut in front of him and he yells and he's.
Speaker 4: Like, like you can feel a sense like that you
can trust him, and he's not necessarily like he's always
furthering his own gains, but he's not I don't know,
I don't know how to put it. He's tractically untrustworthy,
but he's he is, like the captain asked him, like, okay,
what's going on here? Telling me the truth? He's only
gun to him. David's like immediately luring him charismatically, but
also giving him the truth and giving them the answers.
And ultimately he gave him the answer literally, and that
just fucked up the captain because the captain is he's
an idiot.
Speaker 1: But it's still tricky though. He makes like a fake
grave site for Shaw and he still tells the story
and everything, so.
Speaker 4: Just like for me, he is sincere though right, like,
yes it is, it's not necessarily a fake grave site,
like he's playing a serenade to her, like he I
think that was very sincere how he felt about her
and appreciated her. But man, he's still fucked up because
I mean, what did he do to her? Just totally
created alien the xeno eggs out of her body, which
is just fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I guess if he had a lot
of respect for her as being a very intelligent person
and maybe a very creative person as well, then maybe
he thought that the hybridness of that would be something
that he wants to explore and that would make a
stronger version. That's where he's probably just salivating at the
of having these two thousand columnists on the ship. You
just have his way with them to try and find
the most optimal version. It's you know, you make some
good points there. I think that suff's interesting. I guess
for me, it's what comes down to the execution. Then
I just feel like this movie is way goofier in
a lot of its sequences, and that's what takes me
out of it. Like that fucking flute scene and the
kiss scene are so fucking stupid. They're as stupid as
they were back in twenty seventeen. I hate those scenes
so much. They just they just take me out of
it for sure. They're just way too way too goofy.
So yeah, I wish I could be there with you, Travis,
because I think there is some interesting concepts there. But yeah,
for me, the way he comes across in Prometheus is
so much more menacing and intriguing than what we have here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 1: Jake the kiss curricle when you get a saw in
twenty seven.
Speaker 5: I got this bit much anticipated. I knew, I knew
it was coming.
Speaker 1: Walter was singing this whole time. Man, He's just like,
I'm just trying to do my job, Troy. That looks
like me kissing me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like if myself tried to kiss me, I
feel like I would just I would just kiss myself
just to feel what that feels like.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. Yeah, I kind of throw my
brain for a lip there. I don't know what I
was bringing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, with David, I feel like for me, it's
just I don't fully like. I guess I get it,
like you're reasoning that he wants to feel what it
feels like, feels like to like create life, and like
that is his obsession. For me, it's just hard for
me to like wrap around that, like, yeah, this is
just what Wayley Newtawnian crew made, Like this is like.
Speaker 3: What they're they're like this was It's like if.
Speaker 5: You're making like an AI, it's usually have a goal
in mind to like go with it, or like some
sort of tool to like help you on your journey,
like like you know, like a droid to help with
long interstellar travel.
Speaker 3: So like, why are we at this point that he
is just.
Speaker 5: Genociding like a planet of individuals as well as just
creating these like xenomorphs and just creating what they are,
like yeah, like as the end result. Like it just
I feel like I just don't like that version of
a character in these stories. And I am kind of
torn because I love the performance by Fastbender. I think
that he is very cold and like android like in
his just performance, which is exactly what you'd want in
a character like this. And I did like seeing the
more I guess, friendlier version being Walter, the more trusting version.
But yeah, I just I kind of wish David died
in the first movie and we just didn't get any
of this this after stuff because if Waylon and Crue
never made that droid like we just never get xenomorphs.
Like I also just don't like that lower aspect to
it at all. I kind of knew that this movie
tackled that in a sense of like the creation of
the Zenos.
Speaker 3: I mean it kind of.
Speaker 5: Like after Prometheus, we're hitting in that direction. And I
didn't think I really cared until I actually got it.
And it's tough because like, there is some really great
stuff I think in here, it's just the whole idea
of it definitely is what I'm not really buying a
ticket for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. If you don't like that portion, then
the oh there's definitely nothing to like with like the
engineers and all that stuff, and yeah, which I always
forget because I've only seen this the one time in theaters.
I forgot when we got the engineers this time. I
think maybe because of criticism of the first movie, they
made them more human with makeup instead of like big
CGI people. So that kind of took me by guard
again because when you watch David destroy the plant, how
when if you when David destroys the planet, when he
unleashes the weapons, if you look at the people, they're
all more prosthetic people instead of CGI and G.
Speaker 2: Meant after the release of this movie, Oh sorry, y
no no no no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I just found that interesting that they in between you
because when you I haven't watched them back to back.
So when watching them back to back, they look very
different because the engine.
Speaker 2: Year they stumble across them, It's like, oh, yeah, these
are like regular size people.
Speaker 1: Yes, they look way more close to us than when
I feel the engineers Prometheus. They're huge, they have like
I guess, you know, a humanoid head. But there's just
a lot of differences. So I wonder it was just
reaction and they felt differently about that. But uh yeah,
that's still like said before, but I'll say it again
for the final time. That is still my most disappointing
thing that that's how they get resolved. It's just because
I just felt like that's the whole conversation Shaw wanted
to have with them of why were they going to
destroy us? And I think a whole movie of Shaw
and David and him being trustworthy not trustworthy, a cad
MoU scheme, Like I think there's a really good thriller there,
and that scene I still don't like, I like it
a bit better in the context of this where they
get to the plan and knowing, Okay, this was the
engineer's home world and that's what's all this Like, that's like, oh,
there was life here, but the life here was all
decayed and dead by David. So there's things I appreciate
a bit more. But yeah, I'm still not a fan
of I was trying to see if I would enjoy
that more this time, and I didn't. I just think
it's a weird introduce this like plot, like this kind
of cliffhanger for SQL and which some of yous do that,
but like for the sequel and the sequel just to
cover you know, a millisecond of that and it's just
just odd. But you know, I guess the engineers say,
I'm not sure if that's also like a I think
that's also kind of like a I don't know. Algory
for us as humans with weapons is the things we
create could kill us. And that's kind of what happened
with engineers, right They're experimenting on these biochemical weapons and
David comes back and makes them pay for it. So
I think there is a message there, but I think
in the way this movie paints it doesn't come off
as strong as let's say, like an Appenheimer does it right.
I'm not trying to say if to be Oppenheimer, but
I think they're trying to go for that with this
engineer creation sort of bit.
Speaker 2: So well, sorry you want to say something, Well, I
just wanted to ask you what you thought of that,
concerned that you didn't remember clearly didn't remember the scene
from the movie.
Speaker 1: You're like new, brand new information.
Speaker 4: I absolutely thought that initially because I heard that with
this scene that they were the engineers. But I initially
heard people talking about how this is just supposed to
be another planet that was seeded with like the engineer's
like experiment.
Speaker 2: Uh oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like not not like humanity was one experiment and
this is just another experiment that they they did. But
I think I think the the team behind Galen Comany
came forward and like denounced that and said, I know
this is these are this is the Engineer's home world
like this and they are.
Speaker 1: All which makes sense because it's like that's a big
hanging plot to leave. So for me it makes like
I don't like it, but it makes sense from their
point of view.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is I don't like it either. I
I wish that the engineers are still alive and just
some where else. I would I like the idea more that. Hey,
they just derided another humanoid offspring planet and this is
just the followed of it. But even then, when you
look at the way it's set up, like the planet
doesn't look like it's designed really for, like what the
engineers are. The engineers have fleets of these deare like
spacecraft that can dock and all that, and yet this
one is set up to dock and deploy this pathogen
all over its own planet so easily. I just feel
like they would have had contingencies or something like that.
Speaker 2: They would like a vaccine something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very easy to Like, No, I guess
at the same point, like, isn't it easy for us
if someone got a nuke and just shot us? What
do we do? Like that's what these weapons are, Yeah, brother,
but the artists.
Speaker 2: But if the nuke was instead a disease that we
created and therefore probably also could have made a counter
agent that we could take ourselves.
Speaker 1: But we don't know if they got that far right,
because they say in Prometheus that they were doing this
off world, so it's not like they and these group
that made that. Yeah, so when these jockeys came back,
I think they were like, oh my god, they have
whatever this weapon is to create, So it's the same.
That's how I can't take it. If someone shot nuke
at us, we couldn't do anything right, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Guess to me, the and we really have no idea
the the scale or the yeah, the distance between the
planet from Prometheus and this one. But to me, it
doesn't seem like it probably doesn't seem like it takes
that long for them to travel between. So I would
have imagined that those engineers would be in contact with
each other till at least like telecommunication wise, but maybe
even just physically. It takes like a couple of weeks
to get or less to get between each other.
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, I guess always I wonder what
happened because remember in the first when we met, when
we met that engineer, he was like in cryo sleep.
So I don't know if they that mission he was
designed to be like this guy these engineers, is this
engineer he's going to be gone for ten fifteen years
because remember they find him and he's sleeping and then
they wake him up.
Speaker 2: I don't think, because Shaw must have made it to
this planet alive. Right, She's not in that shot because
she's not like the actress is not in this movie, right.
But I assume that she made it there alive, and
I highly doubt that she would have let David put
her into cryos late. Maybe maybe she would have. I'm
not sure.
Speaker 1: I think she would have been, Yeah, I like not indisposed.
I'll say cryo sleep, he kidnapped or what like. I
think the second he gets that head on and they
got a path to there, like the second he's got
control of the ship, I think it's over for Sewan.
Speaker 5: She's somewhere WOU would have figured in the base then
I figured that's where they he would have been experimenting
on her.
Speaker 2: I don't think he would have like transported her body
from that ship, like her dead body from that ship
to the base, you know, but only she was dead.
Speaker 1: I think she was alive for quite a long time,
unfortunately for her. I think he was just like breeding her. Yeah,
I think he was like breeding her, like when she's
in that cave there. I think she was alive from
the ship.
Speaker 6: Out of her she's dead, right, Yeah, I think like
day he would be like, already she already had an
alien come out of her, right, so there's obviously some
bio stuff going on that he wants to experiment on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like, unfortunately, David would be like
patching her up and then repatching her, like he would.
Speaker 2: Just like like an alien popping out of you to
kill you. And like the surgery thing that she had done, Yeah,
i'd just been like cracking herself up with drugs and like,
yes whatnot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, true, I don't know what's on the ship left.
I could just see David like performing c sections and
stuff like that, like surgically and removing things and take
Like I think she was alive for a long time unfortunately,
at least like a solid year of getting worked on
by David, And that to me is like horrifying just
with some of that artwork and all the work he did,
because it's like, eventually, if she died, I don't know
what he could get. She did die, but you know.
Speaker 2: If David is to be believed, he said that it
took ten years is when the stuff on Prometheus happened,
which I imagine would be kind of corroborative because they
knew about the ship promethes they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a well leged it makes sense.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where like space time translate, like
maybe where they were, you know, time worked differently in
an interstellar kind of way. But yeah, if he says
it's ten years, then like, okay, well most she was
getting experimented on for ten years. I don't know, it's
hard to think about it. I feel like she's been
dead for a while, but I guess probably had to
bones at that point, so I don't know. Hard to say.
Speaker 1: I think she's allowed the whole ten years, but i'd say,
like I'll say, at least the solid year or two
or something like that. Which that's where something you brought
up TIERR last week when you explained like what happened,
and they at least they did say that that ship
was it was a known thing, it would missing, it
was a big deal. Obviously they don't explain more, and
we only get Wayland back at the beginning of this
guy Piercy's talking with David and the creation, and which
is another thing I like that David talked about how
pathetic you viewed him as the end and stuff, which
is just more evolution for that character.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean, just to stay on Shaw
for a bit here, I kind of just forgot after
amivis like, what happens to that character? Do we see
her at all? And you know, this is how we
see her as as that corpse there. It is disappointing.
I'm wondering where, you know, with a couple quick edits,
I would have fit her into a story like this,
but I feel like it's really hard. You'd have to
kind of build the story from her ground up a
different way to get her into this because I like,
as you mentioned, Travis, this movie is not super long,
so you could have thrown some flashbacks and they're at
an extra half an hour on the movie of like
some flashback scenes between David and sew and what they're
doing on the ship and all that, But I don't know,
I don't know if that would play the best. I
feel like I truly just want the sequel to be
her and David and maybe they get cooked up with
some other ships somehow and that's how you introduce other characters.
But either way, it is once again still disappointing how
they decide to go about utilizing her in this movie,
because I feel like, yeah, she was. She was a
great character, really well done, really well written, well acted,
and so it's disapoint that I wonder if she was
offered this and denied it. I don't know if that's
in your trivia, Travis, but.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, And that's why I'm even looking now,
because I realized in the trivia I didn't find like
a reason, and I don't know if that Lely was
just like the story they concocted, which I feel like,
I think.
Speaker 2: She would have wanted to come back, unless she was
just busy doing other movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like it's, unfortunately just the story
they went with. And I don't know if it also
was again that because there was the mixed reception of Prometheus,
where some people really liked it, but then there was
a group of like, well it's not alien enough, and
they're like, well alien, But even then, I feel like
you could find a way. I really don't know, but yeah,
I tried to look, and I didn't find much.
Speaker 2: She was like successful though, like financially at least, so
you would think that studio wouldn't care and they would yeah,
green light it with her in it. But I mean
not too uh, because people behind the curtain recording this
after we did AVPr and I was railing on the
writer of that. But once again to bring up the
writer this movie, it's it's just really strange. So the
writer this worked on in a movie called Transcendence, which
I don't know if you guys have. Oh boy, he
did an episode of a show and then this. He's
written three projects in his career. He's not done one
since It's like, why would they pick? Like I understand everyone,
you know, it's got to get their foot in the
door in the industry somehow, But I feel like, you
don't do it as a sequel to Prometheus, which is
this legendary franchise with Ridley Scott, Like it seems like
a really weird way to give this guy's training wheels
and throw him into the deep end with him writing
a movie like this. So I think that is to
me a big reason why none of the characters are
really great here and the writing and David don't really
work for me. It's just because the writing caliber is
not great and even yeah, just the story and in general,
is not necessarily the concept I wanted. It seems like
this the writer just wanted to like, Oh, I want
to do my own ship full of people and I
have them get fucked up by an alien instead of like,
what is actually what the sequel to Prometheus needs to be.
Speaker 1: I think that's why for Scott, that's why I like
Prometheus more, because it feels like when he was always
talking about, hey, we should do this with Alien that
with Alien, it did feel like, Okay, it's some vibes Alien,
but it's different. But this feels way more closer to well,
it's another alien movie, right, And the.
Speaker 2: Guy who wrote, one of the guys who wrote Prometheus
goes on to write both the Dune movies. It's like, okay,
well that trajectory makes a lot of sense in terms
of the world building and the characters that we're talking
about there. I mean, obviously Dune is based on a
book and whatnot, but still.
Speaker 1: I guess there was some original arts. So yeah, it
sounds like I think Shaw was just always this was
the plan originally replaces Prometheus. Heroin would have appeared in
Alien Covenant as anenomorph, a neomorph Queen as a successful
result of David's cross beating. So I guess that was
always the idea of just that they.
Speaker 2: Just want David's cube properly. But if they did, that
could be really interesting.
Speaker 1: That could be horrifying to see like a alien human
crossbeed with like Shaw's face or something. But I could
see maybe why contempt conceptually they went out, this might
just not work, especially, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I guess, like Ripley, we kind of did some
experimentation stuff like that, but quite on the same trajectory.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so yes that No, yes, they just didn't
have don't. I don't know what it would be. I'll
have to look more and see if I can ever
find that on maybe the rankings or something. But I
just guess that was just what they wanted to do,
a Shaw on stuff.
Speaker 7: So m hm.
Speaker 2: I also I also wanted a bit more, like I
mentioned earlier, of them on the I guess we don't
know the name of the ship that they take at
the end of Prometheus to land on this planet, right,
because it's obviously that's not called the Prometheus ship. At
that point, I wanted more of that. I wanted them.
I wanted to find out more information from that, or
maybe like that could have been a way that you'd
chew in like flashbacks are not necessarily flashbacks, but like
footage of Shaw because she has like you know, jarbl
dialogue and we kind of get an idea of maybe
something that's going on, but then we never really revisit that.
How did you guys feel about that? Did you want
more more scenes of that stuff? Would that have been
a good way to incorporate that character into the story?
Speaker 5: I think in hindsight, I would have probably preferred. I
would have preferred some more David and Shaw back and forth,
just because I really did like their moments in Prometheus,
especially near the end of the movie. But I don't know,
like in the moment, I felt like it was okay
enough to at least acknowledge that, like this is the ship,
and then they have like Shaw's dog tags or whatever
that they're finding, and I guess for me, in the moment,
I also just kind of okay, well, we did we did,
we did scan and search through it in Prometheus, so
I'm okay to kind of just more focus on the
planet itself now. But yeah, in hindsight, I definitely would
have preferred something kind of what you pitched.
Speaker 1: Even cool because what's the opening of this the coal
opening is maybe it's Steven Whalen, Right, I think there's
way you could do that and do Shaw and him together,
maybe something you know, they crash goes to black or
whatever happens, and then you'd leave Shaw's fate up to
because I feel like it's an odd It's odd if
you've never seen Prometheus, because it feels like they want
to do a completely new alien movie, but then there's
this side story that they haven't closed off. So it's
like kind of a what is the expression like baking
your cake and eating it too where? And that's what
they like. Again, I'm just reading people just theorize that
they just think that because Prometheus is like mixed response,
they didn't want them to do this, so it's like, okay,
if Scott wants to finish off Prometheus, but then they
want alien movie, it feels like it doesn't serve either
of them. And I think that's the issue. Even if
you add more Shaw, people go, oh, what's this and
you know, but it's just like a little slice of
the movie. So I would like that personally because I
liked that story, but I think that's just not what
they wanted to go down. So it would have been
nice to have something so I.
Speaker 4: Could have done with the whole intro of David and
Whalen being swapped out to David and Shaw and just
end open ended where we don't know per fate and
then they can touch that later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll jump to another point here. So, as we
talked about briefly, David's kind of been breeding these aliens
to be more human, like have more human DNA, and
that's where we see that he can like control them.
He can like make them be obedient, which I didn't
like it in the moment necessarily, but I think it
does make sense given what he's been doing. Like to me,
it's like, wow, aliens are so savage killing machines, that
wouldn't make any sense. But if you know, if he's
been doing this for a long time, sure I can
believe they would get to a point yeah, where he's
like built obedience into them to some extent. But what
I think is really weak is like the first aliens
we get in this movie, like the little guys. Uh,
they're very like primate like right, like they're very monkey like.
Even the sounds are making like like kind of sounds.
They're running around like little monkeys. They look like little
like zuboomafou kind of things. And once again, like it
makes sense, you know if he's based off like human DNA. Okay,
I can, I can believe that. But it made the
aliens not scary whatsoever. I just thought they were goofy,
little goofy little creatures, like animated creatures. So I think
that was not a good call at the end of
the day. And like how Taylor you had that big
long pitch and AVPr too about like MPR two just
the first AVPr of like a lion hybrids and stuff.
And I think that that idea is fun of like
seeing other alien hybrids. And I'm sure it's done in
like other comics or video games that I haven't played.
But yeah, I think the monkey one here, and like
using the goofy monkey tropes didn't didn't work to make
a compelling villain or scary horror creature that we that
our characters have to fight against.
Speaker 1: Well, remember in three they wanted to do that dog
and remember they made that suit and it didn't work.
So you couldn't even done that but a CG budget.
But yeah, yeah, no, none of that works. Even that
scene for me just doesn't work like it like, Okay,
you need something that happens so then David can save them.
But I feel like there's just something like you're introducing
other stuff like the pathogens of just like the flowers
or stepping on things, like you're introducing something that's that's
not been alien at all. It's just like a missed
version of Getting six. So it's like it is been
here for ten years. Put something else here. But you know,
you don't have to do like another because I think
it would make that scene stronger later on, when the
alien hits Billy crud Up and it comes out of
him and it's like a whole you know, turning into
a thing, that'd be like, oh, that's our alien, that's
our Zeno morph. Right, So I agree, I think you
could have been something else there. It may look a
lot better because it's a but even then, like I
wonder what the actors were like in that scene. I
want to see.
Speaker 4: I get that that's just a different stage of alien
and this one was even different, but like it comes
out fully formed and then like I don't even know
if they didn't even cover like shitting its skin or
growing or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I can too though, right. So that's where again the.
Speaker 4: More if I can understand, because it was like it
was like pollen shit that just went into his ear,
up his nose, he's snorting it.
Speaker 1: No, but isn't that what's the one called them that
comes out and.
Speaker 4: A deacon and whatever that is, that's that's a they
call it the deacon.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, but that's like a full formed one, right,
So it's not like the first time they've so.
Speaker 2: You're saying the blue aliens called the Deacon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And that's like, like I've seen many people
talk about how ultimately this black goop, it's no matter
what it's going to lead towards the zeno, you're gonna
get so many different variants, variations. Yeah, but ultimately it's
final evolutionary form is going to be that classic xenomorph
that you see just needs a breeder. How we get there, Yeah,
it's it's up up to the up to you.
Speaker 2: I liked the spores, uh. In this there's two separate
people who one guy steps on it, which you know,
I don't blame him too much. I mean, he threw
like presumably a lit cigarette into a forest, so I
hate him for that because he's going to cause the
forest fire here.
Speaker 1: Very risky to the place you're about to maybe live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The other guy though, he's looking like orum
the captain here, just going right up to the sores
given this doing lines on the minds off this floor.
So I don't know about that. That was a pretty
poor decision on his end, but I think the visual
of that in a slow transformation and even just like
the little CGI moment of the first one when he
goes into his ear like I have it right here,
it's just creepy. It makes me want to like scratch
my ear, you know, it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to bring it up because there's something
there's no way this movie came out before, but there's
something that was very odd to me. And maybe I'm
just alone. I'm thinking that they sound similar. So just
let me know. You got to sound here, right, Yeah,
all right, So when it goes into the air, there's
a sound effects that happens, and this has the sound
effect happens multiple times in the movie.
Speaker 4: This one right here, Quiet Place.
Speaker 1: That's what it is, right, is that sound efect Quiet Place?
Speaker 2: What you're thinking, isn't.
Speaker 1: That the same?
Speaker 3: Fully? Shit?
Speaker 2: I think you're right, okay, because I could. I when
I was watching the movie, I was like, Okay, it
must be from some other alien movie that I can't
remember now. In that moment watching it again, somehow it
came into my head. That's definitely what they using, like
the Quiet Place trailer. I think they won they must
be in there.
Speaker 1: Do they use it the Quiet Place trailer?
Speaker 2: I'll try and listen right now. I mean, I don't
know if Taylor's already doing it.
Speaker 1: And then I needed to because then what I was
having issues is this is what I was hearing. I
was hearing this. Where was it here? Not to the
same extent, this is what I was here. I'm not
gonna reveal what our sound is that made it because
it's a very specific sound and it's something that's from Earth.
So I'm not gonna that's our little Easter egg. But
when that movie was happening, it was happening in the movie.
That's all I heard. I was like, Oh, that's the
GV studio is opening and stuff okay, check check this out.
So maybe they're using the same thing that we're using.
I'll tell Dylan off air what it is because I
won't feel to know what it is.
Speaker 2: But can you hear this?
Speaker 1: Let's see not right now?
Speaker 2: How do I make it so you can hear it?
Is there a setting have to hit? Or can you
have the sound?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is it? Just quiet Place? Day two? Day two?
That's okay, let's see here and the oh the there
we go. It's gonna take me long.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, obviously Covenant came first, but yes,
it must be just yeah, from some free sound effects
the online website, or.
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah, i'll tell you after I think
I know what it's from. It's not it wouldn't be
a sound effects thing. It's something. It's a I'll just
say it's a landmark sort of course. My discord is
not opening right now. Can you drop in the private
chat here on stream? Damn discord.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to make sound happen.
Speaker 1: I don't know because for me sometimes I didn't used
to be able to do that, and then all of
a sudden I could, So here we go, it's coming
Quiet Place and what was that time stamp there? Okay,
one twenty five, all right, it's coming. This is one
of six.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, I definitely, I definitely know what it
is because they sound way too similar.
Speaker 2: So it's it's the exact same it's the exact same sample.
I promise you no one would notice.
Speaker 4: But GV Dylan, you just cracked it.
Speaker 2: Funny though. When I was watching the movie, I'm like, man,
it must be yeah, it must have been like the
theme an Alien too or something like that Aliens. But yeah,
just in that moment, it clicks somehow.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get that one day when someone here
is are opening and be like, you guys ripped off
the Alien Covenant sound effect.
Speaker 2: And you're you're good. I would say, copyright wise, that sounds.
Speaker 4: You're definitely not yet quiet place there, hot water, And
I thinking, no, no, it can't be copyrighted.
Speaker 1: If it's the thing, I'm thinking it's it's a natural sound.
It's not like a sound that's on trademark.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it should be. There a GV Studios, Yeah,
a big guy. All right, is there anything else we
have not show?
Speaker 5: I did like the you know, vision at least like
the first point of view the first.
Speaker 3: I think it's the second time, isn't it, because in
the Ship.
Speaker 1: It is only the second time? In Alien movies, I
have that in Trivia it's the only time from the
alien's point of view only time, sorry, second time? Second?
Speaker 2: What scene is that from?
Speaker 5: It's it's like at the end when she has Walter
like basically sending the alien to the terraforming room and
then he's like open whatever door, and then it goes
to the alien's point of view and then he's kind
of like, I don't know, he's just got some weird
effect on it.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I kind of liked it, especially just seeing like the
way that he was like climbing through the tunnel. I
think it's Aliens three. Yeah, So I don't know. I
like this version a little bit more. I guess it's
just a little bit more modern. It worked for me,
and it's funny. Like you guys were just talking about
the CGI, and I definitely agree. I think like all
of the neo morphs looked awful, but for me, at least,
I think the face huggers looked really good. And I
actually liked the Zeno at the end. I think also
just like seeing like a more modern day version of
likes a CGI Zeno is and like in daylight too,
like it's not really it's hidden by darkness. I still
prefer like the original Alien where it's hidden most of
the time. But I still thought it looked all right
for a big climactic finish, just fighting the ship and yeah, nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A couple other things for me, I like the I
mean I don't like. There's things I like and don't
like bout it's the early sequence in the ship when
everyone gets woken up, but then shit goes around and
then they have to go out and like fix the wing.
I like that sequence. It's I always like a good
astronaut outside the space station having to fix something. It's
always good, intense and then uh, Tennessee gets the that's
when he gets like a bit of that signal coming in.
So I like that sequence. I really Once again, I'm
just I just think they do such a piss poor
job of making you care about the protagonist character here
of Daniels, but once again, to me, like James Franco's
character just dying in his cell or in his cryo
sleep thing is super lame. More lame than that is
that she just like, yeah, I'm just gonna go on
my iPad and watch this clip of like the good Times,
and it's like, okay, audience, now you have to care
about this because we showed you this a little clip here.
But to me, it's just like the laziest form of
writing to get us to feel invested in that relationship
in that character.
Speaker 3: Man, I like, I was like laughing.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, in that sequence it is supposed to be like
really sentimental because like when you first see him, I
think you see like an image of him, and then
I guess he's like in the pod and I'm like, man,
that guy kind of looks like Franco. Like I'm like,
there's no way it would be him for just like
a quick camulate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes to the iPad. He's like rock climb.
He's like, hey you and like.
Speaker 1: Where you weren't you?
Speaker 3: Hear us? We miss you. I don't know why my mind.
Speaker 5: I I mean, I guess I watched this is the
End not too long ago, so that's like kind of
where my mind went, and I just I just chuckled
at it. But yeah, very strange small rule for him here.
Speaker 1: I said, there's a lot of de lead scenes, and
they end up releasing all of those delead scenes before
the movie come out as like a hype thing. I
remember we talked about on Gie first. Remember they did
that like nine minute pre log or whatever it was. Yeah,
we reviewed that, I think, and uh yeah it's him
with the whole crew and they're talking about and like
the last things like all right, I'm going to sleep everybody,
and I'll see when you wake up. Like you didn't
say that's live. It's something like that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you can androids grow hair naturally? Or did
David do some weird science stuff to be able to
grow hair?
Speaker 1: I guess they grow naturally. I guess that's part of
the weird human stuff they gave him that people didn't like.
Speaker 5: Because then in the Prometheus he's like doing his hair, right,
he's just bleaching.
Speaker 1: It was bleaching, Yeah he did, because as we can see,
they start with just brown hair, but he bleaches it
after that role. So but I didn't know it was
it could grow, But I just accepted as Terminaior's hairs
can grow too, So I guess just that's a robots.
Speaker 2: To because even what's your name? Winona's android like she
has the same hair I guess technically as the rest
of yeah, the short brown hair. So I don't know,
I don't know. I don't know if they can naturally
do that. Ever, once again, it was some weird experiment,
but that was a weird detail. What did you guys
think of the opening sequence, like the True opening that
with David and Whaleen having the discussion. I guess I
felt like, can we kind of know this information? So
maybe it's like a primer for people who haven't seen
all these movies or something, But I guess it didn't
do much for me. But it was interesting to see
Guy Pierce true age instead of you know, wrinkled age
actor Kirkling hates you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was not a fan of the scene at all.
And it wasn't just because of the Charcter.
Speaker 1: He fears, man, we gotta get and watch time machine,
we gotta find something for him to like here with
Guy pears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm waiting, Like, it wasn't him that was bad.
Speaker 5: I thought, like the look of the room looked cool
and artsy, but uh, just not how I wanted this.
Speaker 3: This adventure to start.
Speaker 5: I think it just really prepped me for David and
a lot of David, and uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does. I think, if anything, what
it does is established that David has enough free will
that he can kind of make his own decisions, because
he's like, bring me that glass or something, and David
kind of hesitates to do it clearly, like it's not
like an order, like a command, it's you know, something
that he understands what he's being asked, and then he
decides he is going to do it because he wants
to do it, rather than it just being like some
thing that he can't even choose to do. He just
has to follow that command. So maybe that's what they
were trying to establish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I yeah, I think it's a weird scene.
It's it's tough because I feel like for this movie,
I like seeing it enough because I always thought it
was weird guy Pierce. This feels like this should almost
be the opening for Prometheus in a sense, right, But
I feel like they didn't want to tip off David
was gonna be in so important Prometheus, because if you
start with the robot right away, you know, Okay, this
guy's gonna do something so it's tough. I think it's
a scene that I enjoy. It shows more their complex.
It shows David already from the start. He's more questioning
things like you're talking about Dillon versus our other Ais
that have done this before, androids if never, they've always
had a mission and they go. But it feels like again,
it's kind of caught between these these movies of Alien
Covenant and Prometheus and don't know where to go from there.
So anything else.
Speaker 4: I had one scene I wanted to throw out, the
fuck I can't remember it now, all of a sudden, Fuck,
it's just disappeared from my brain.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of word jargon here coming up,
so if it comes to you, let me know. Okay,
So this is about like three paragraphs of just stuff
that happened with this movie, stuff that happened.
Speaker 2: In the paragraphs are a few paragraphs because we've been
down that.
Speaker 1: Three three specifically three let's see on November twenty fifteen, really,
Scott nowns that this film would be the second following
per me in a new trilogy that would play closer
and lead up to the original Alien film, so much
like a Fantastic Beasts, you know, didn't get to see
the Light Down in the same actress, right, yeah, exactly,
And god, let's hope that I don't read some trivia
about the Batman one day of like the first film
of the planned trilogy, because you know, I always worry.
But he later suggested that there might even be a
fourth prequel film. However, the future series became uncertain after
the purchase of Falk. Yeah. Next film was tentedly titled
Alien Awakening, was set to enter production the same month,
but according he was really trying to get it before
the buy in there, I guess. But according to some
sources of project was sheled and definitely the commercial underperformance
of this film, as well as it's lukewarm reception by
criticison fans his name is one of the reasons. Although
no official stint was given. In early twenty nineteen, however,
the script was called Alien Wagen actively actively being written
and untitled Alien Prequel was officially in production of twenty
twenty two. But that's I guess what Romulus probably is now, right,
the untie production, Yeah, yeah, that's twenty twenty four and
Alien prequels in production. I guess that's what Rominus was.
Then that they ditched that for so yeah, I guess
that was the idea that they were. He was trying
to get a third one going. He was gonna start
going the month of the buyout. But then once Disney
got that, they're like, yeah, we were not. You're not
doing that. Nice try, nice, try, buddy. The original tret
of the movie is revealed was still development, was more
Fateful sequel to Prometheus. You think you would probably do that,
you know, win number two? Yeah, but you know which,
I wonder how how is it more faithful to that
when you've already killed off Shaw, you've killed out the engineers.
That whole adventure UTI teased, you know is gone, but
here it is would have drifted even further from the
Alien franchise and focused almost exclusively on the backstory within
the engineers, the origins of humanity and how engineers created
humans and Xeno Wars again. I feel like, would people
even care about engineers if you just saw David like
kill them all? Like, I just I don't understand the
thinking of that. I was like, well, let's go back
and tell a story now. I feel like, maybe you
do that, and then you end the movie with David
popping up and like, oh man, the least is the
third one, but weird. The prequel will then conclude with
the film that it'd sell a film that ties itself
to the original Alien and its sequels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, however, dude, yeah,
I already read that reaction Shell did and then we
talked about this a little bit last week. But yeah.
In twenty fifteen, writer direct Neil Blancan announced the plans
to make a fifth Alien movie based on the ideas
and artwork he had developed himself. The film would fall Aliens,
thereby disregarding all the other sequels after two. Everyone was
about yeah, Singory Wea or Michael Bean were reprise the role. However,
blancamt was then asked to delay his project until Alien
Covenant was released. Scott Layer claimed that the studio had
canceled the project altogether, which had been reportedly never developed
beyond a ten page story treatment. Although blond Cants stated
that the project was officially dead, he had moved to
other projects. Alien director Tatum Cameron said that he loved
Blonecat's concept and hoping to work on him in the future.
So some maybe, some, I don't know, he said. She
said on Scott being like, oh, yeah, it was never
a thing. A blondcat being like, well, we were gonna
work on it, but now it's dead. So it sounds
like he kind of strong armed him, but you know,
he created it. So whatever Alien Covenant begins on December fifth,
two thousand, one hundred and four and ends weeks later
in twenty one hundred and five. That is seventeen years
prior to Alien. So there you go, takes place seventeen
years before. Let's see, I put that trivia twice, but
that was not needed. Really. Scott made Promeedius to answer
the question who would make such a biomedical engineering a
genetic hideous thing? And for what reason? That film was
always meant to be the first up answering that question,
with Covenant continuing in the tail. This is why the
film opens with a prologue showing David and Peter Whalen
in the early days explaining the motivations to come. So
that's why I was in there from their point of view,
is to explain, like it was again just to set
up with Prometheus. Did of like what's out there? Right?
Speaker 2: That's that's where it's like, well, Prometheus do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Finally, in the earlier drafts, the film had
the Ninomorph and the Xenomorph going for a fight, and
in the layer draft there's gonna be a scene in
the second the Ninomorph in the first Xenomore face off
against Daniel's and opening the escape from the engineer Tempanal.
These were scrap in the film but retained in the novel.
So I guess there you go. Yeah, Tempanal. I don't
know what that is, but yeah, so I guess in
the book version of this movie, the Xenomorph and then
Ninomorph do fight and then they go through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Batman in there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I'll go because maybe I'll have the
most politic score on this. So, mister Muss, what is
your fire and thoughts to score here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, just I guess a general takeaway now
that we've gone through every Alien movie with the exception
of rom this because that has not existed yet, is uh,
this franchise is pretty weak. Okay, Like I'm kind of surprised,
at least for myself, because I really don't care for two.
You know, three has some decent stuff and a resurrection
is that one? And then even if you include the AVP.
Obviously that kind of brings the average down, so to speak,
in terms of the quality overall. But yeah, I guess
I was surprising for me going through these again to
just realize like how kind of weak these movies are
for the most part. And I mean there's a lot
of reasons for that, and we've kind of talked about
those reasons through these episodes, so I don't need to
rehash that. But yeah, I'm glad I rewatched this one,
and I think I'm pretty pretty good to just skip
it in the in the future. I mean, I've already
been skipping it for seven years, so I don't see
myself returning to this, And honestly, I don't think I'll
return to many of these movies. I just don't think.
Maybe this is just not a franchise for me. But
I really did not enjoy a whole lot of these.
I think there's little parts or moments or certain things
that I do enjoy throughout the experience, but it's it's
not worth the time investment to go through all of them.
So I think I'm gonna settle on a Hmmm, I forget.
I don't know if I was even giving things numbers, and.
Speaker 1: I think you still were at that point, so.
Speaker 2: I'd be really curious to see what I gave it back.
Speaker 1: Well, see if I can pull it up here, and see.
Speaker 2: If you can pull it up real quick. It might
be hard to snipe that. Actually, yeah, I'll hold off
of my number until I hear that, So I'll throw
over to Kirkland or Taylor here.
Speaker 5: And yeah, this has been a long time coming for me.
I will, like I said, maybe maybe I'll go earlier
than seven years like Travis did for his rewatch, But
I will rewatch this movie and very curious as to
if it goes up or down or same ease. I
think right now, I think I'm gonna give it like
a seven out of ten. I still think that I
still think that's a pretty reasonable score. I still think
like the world building and some of the intense sequences
really really deliver.
Speaker 3: Like we're kind of talking.
Speaker 5: About the medical emergency sequence when everyone kind of gets
just charred in the end result. But I do like
the intensity of that sequence. I like the camera going
from like just the character's perspective of like scrambling from
like going from like medical room to out and then
having our other characters on the radio, and then you
have like tendency in orbit and just like everybody kind
of getting like glimpses of the chaos. So I think
some moments like that really did capture the overall intensity
and like anticipation suspense that these movies can.
Speaker 3: Really bring out.
Speaker 5: Because those I think, that's like my favorite Alien is
when it's in that like suspense, like waiting for something
to happen moment or just just things are rapping up
really really quickly. And yeah, I really like those moments.
I really like all the moments with the face huggers,
and yeah, I thought across the board, I thought like
the performances were not the issue of this movie for me.
So it's really just like a big obsession with Michael
Fassbender's David, I think is what's kind of holding me
back from really enjoying the story and and just the
whole decision to want to tell the tale of the
origin Dizinos. It's it's not when I really needed but yeah,
I don't know. I still think there is some some
good things in here, but yeah, that's kind of a
big hurdle to get over to truly love this movie.
Speaker 3: And I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think I'll ever get to that point, but
we'll see, we'll see, maybe seven years we'll circle back
to this.
Speaker 1: So Dylan, yeah, Dylan, you get you did not give
it a number because I remember after Logan. This one
came after Logan. After Logan is when you stop giving numbers,
because I remember there was a yeah, same year and
that was later. So yeah, no, but he did say
it was a bad movie and just recommend go watching Prometheus.
Speaker 2: So I'll give it a three. Then I'll give it
to today that blade. Then I'm sure Dylan from twenty
seventeen would be happy with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll I'll go next. I thought it
was gonna be Hi than Kirk. I'm not a six
point five because I always say seven to some point
five was like that's where where I'd rewatch it. I
think there's something because for me, I think I was
like a fail before so or like close to fail.
So it's like a bit better. But I still think
there's tons of things I don't enjoy with this one.
So yeah, that's the thing where I don't feel the
need to rewatch it. Like I said, Alien, I'd beg oh,
well watch that Prometheus. Oh, I want to rewatch that,
and maybe if I'm in the mood, i'd watch Aliens
or i'd watch in Covenant. But those first two I mentioned,
those are ones I could watch by himself and then
feel happy and then move along. So I'm not saying
I'll never watch this again. I probably will because I
had I had more enjoyment this time. Who knows, maybe
a third watch, I'll enjoy it even more. But uh, yeah,
that's where I am. Is a six point you know,
a six point seventy five actually, because the six point
five sounds a little too low, so I'll go with that.
But mister Field and it's off here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see myself running to rewatch this anytime soon.
It has things that I do like and the things
that I don't really like. I just get bothered by
certain decisions that the characters make, and I feel like
I'm just gonna sit on a six point five out
of ten. I feel like I'm being a little bit
more on the positive side. But like I said, I'm
not rushing to rewatch this. I will see it again
in the future eventually. I don't know when that'll be,
but I'm sure there'll be a moment in time where
I'm craving just to see more of that Davy character
back and just kind of explore more of the pathogen stuff.
The pathogen is a very new concept, and while it's
trickled into some of the alien games, I think Aliens
Fire Team Elite actually brought that in of course little
bit so it gets kind of wacky and wild. But
for me, I'm just a classic alien guy. That's that's
my go to jam. I like it, and that's why
I am ecstatic for Romulus to be pursuing this. Although
I'm seeing rumblings that the people are talking about there's
supposed to be like some black goop in Romulus maybe,
so we'll be just going to see if that's a
part of the story or not.
Speaker 3: You got a few paragraphs to go along with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got AVP Galaxy here. I'm gonna read a
few paragraphs.
Speaker 2: Do we know the timeline in Romulus is probably.
Speaker 4: Not between alien and aliens?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like heavy rumor that this alien's
like the same alien that Ripley like kicked away from
the ship. So I don't know if they're going.
Speaker 4: To go that route, But Big Chap I think his
name is.
Speaker 1: Yes, like Big Chap, like hit another ship took it
over and that's what's happening. So we'll see. But yes,
they'll be next time. Film Wise, like we said, there's
still a couple alien retros in not in the bank yet,
but they will be coming. But yes, thank you if
you're just checking out the film stuff to being on
this journey. There will be a rankings episode the week
after so I'm not sure Robins if it's a newscast
or if it's a separate one. Either way, we will
rank you know, best scenes, characters and all the movies
once we've seen Robinson go from there so until next time,
it will not be boring.