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Speaker 2: Hour number two here and our first edition of Coffee
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Speaker 2: Austin Montgomery alongside today fueled by Thornton's and Austin and
Speaker 2: I had a little little, uh little business trip last night,
Speaker 2: if we can call it that, a little work trip.
Speaker 2: I mean, technically it kind of was a work trip.
Speaker 2: We used work tickets to go to the game, and
Speaker 2: right we knew we were gonna have to talk about
Speaker 2: the game, and you know, so it was fun, a
Speaker 2: little business and pleasure, right, a little double dipping for
Speaker 2: us last n Both it was a good time and
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was atple bush lights were harmed, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I was very happy to see not only Louis wille
Speaker 2: win and win the way they did.
Speaker 1: And we can get back into that. Obviously that was
Speaker 1: a big topic at the beginning of the show. But
Speaker 1: the crowd I thought was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't go there at any point and
Speaker 2: think to look around at empty seats or I just
Speaker 2: don't really think. Again, I say this all the time
Speaker 2: when it comes to attendants, those who do get tickets
Speaker 2: and go I just don't know why you would base
Speaker 2: your enjoyment on the amount of other people that are
Speaker 2: or aren't there. Obviously you want a good atmosphere, you
Speaker 2: want a good environment. But I thought those that were
Speaker 2: there last night were really really into it to where
Speaker 2: you can have much fewer than twenty two thousand plus
Speaker 2: and if the team's playing hard and the crowd and
Speaker 2: by the way games like last night, you're going to
Speaker 2: see the lower Bowl be pretty much full, which for
Speaker 2: the most part, you know, it was, at least from
Speaker 2: what I could tell. But even if it wasn't, those
Speaker 2: that were there made it to where you could tell
Speaker 2: the atmosphere was really really good, and it was nice
Speaker 2: to kind of not, like, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking about attendance at all at any
Speaker 2: point as far as the amount of people that were
Speaker 2: there or weren't there. I just knew that the crowd
Speaker 2: was there. Man, they got loud, they made an impact, and.
Speaker 1: There we was support in this group.
Speaker 2: So that was nice to kind of be reminded because
Speaker 2: I the attentions, the attendance stuff, really it just annoys
Speaker 2: me and I've talked about it many times over the
Speaker 2: years because I just I don't think that Louisville Basketball
Speaker 2: not having twenty two thousand people there last night is
Speaker 2: because of like one specific thing. I think it's a
Speaker 2: variety of things. And I don't think anybody currently at
Speaker 2: u of L is doing anything wrong as to why
Speaker 2: the attendance is not what it was. I don't know
Speaker 2: seven eight years ago. I think they're a variety of factors,
Speaker 2: and one of them that just doesn't get discussed the
Speaker 2: way that it should. Not to say that this should
Speaker 2: just be the dominant factor that everybody acknowledges and that's
Speaker 2: the only one people bring up. I'm not saying that,
Speaker 2: but society changes, we evolve as human like people just
Speaker 2: don't go to games like they used to because the
Speaker 2: incentive to say that you were there is just not
Speaker 2: what it once was. It's not this oh man, I
Speaker 2: can't believe I got in. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to act like it's not a cool thing to do,
Speaker 2: but like, there's really not a whole lot that you
Speaker 2: can get at the game that you can't really get
Speaker 2: on TV other than just being in the environment. And
Speaker 2: that's awesome, Like I think people should like last night
Speaker 2: was awesome. My wife and I we went along alongside
Speaker 2: with Austin, and we told ourselves we should do that
Speaker 2: more often, like we should get tickets and go to
Speaker 2: more games, because it is awesome when you play, like
Speaker 2: last night, top to bottom was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: But I also understand why. It's just it's not.
Speaker 2: Like there are probably people who go to a few
Speaker 2: games a year, love this team, love this program. It's
Speaker 2: kind of their religion, like it is a lot of us,
Speaker 2: because it's just, you know, we love it so much,
Speaker 2: we care so much about it. But they're just not
Speaker 2: going to be at every game because that's just not
Speaker 2: what a lot of people do anymore. Now, there are
Speaker 2: some that make it to every single game. They have
Speaker 2: season tickets, and you.
Speaker 1: Need those people. Those people are important.
Speaker 2: But I think even if you start to really thrive
Speaker 2: and let's say Louisville basketball in the next few years
Speaker 2: is really in a great place, which I think they're
Speaker 2: going to be, I still think you're going to see
Speaker 2: the younger generation, meaning people that are my age and younger,
Speaker 2: or they may go to eighty percent of the games
Speaker 2: and cheer their ass off. But like buying season tickets,
Speaker 2: I just think.
Speaker 1: That that whole model it's.
Speaker 2: Not gonna fly with the younger generation, and because they
Speaker 2: can go to any game they want and not pay
Speaker 2: a big donation, right and not feel like it's a
Speaker 2: chore to have to go to every game because you
Speaker 2: made such a big investment with season tickets. I hope
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, because again, you need you need people to
Speaker 2: buy season tickets. That money is important, not only for
Speaker 2: what you pay for the ticket, but the donation that comes.
Speaker 1: With it, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I just think I'm trying to find the right words
Speaker 2: to use here because I don't want to act like
Speaker 2: if you're buying season tickets, you're getting hustled and you're
Speaker 2: you know, you're dope, because I don't that's not at all.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 2: But you're just giving them a gift by buying season
Speaker 2: tickets because again, you could go to every game you
Speaker 2: want and probably pay much less than what everybody else is.
Speaker 2: And also like there's probably plenty of games you don't
Speaker 2: want to go to because you know it's against a
Speaker 2: nobody at nine o'clock on a Twoday day, and not
Speaker 2: everybody has, you know, the lifestyle or where they can
Speaker 2: they can really justify doing that. So I think you'll
Speaker 2: see even when when things get better, you'll have big crowds,
Speaker 2: but season tickets probably won't be as what they once
Speaker 2: were back like in the Rick Betino days. And again,
Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong here, maybe I'm way off, but
Speaker 2: I just you know, am I crazy to say that
Speaker 2: buying season tickets and giving Louisville a big donation that
Speaker 2: you have to make just to be able to purchase
Speaker 2: said season tickets?
Speaker 1: Again? Is that not just a gift to the school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was right. You're not crazy for thinking that.
Speaker 4: And anytime I've I've never met anyone my age really
Speaker 4: that buy season tickets.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of older people than if.
Speaker 2: You are age three years ago, and if you are
Speaker 2: our age ish because you're younger than me, obviously you
Speaker 2: they were you inherited the tickets from like your dad
Speaker 2: or from your grand.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's how we get football tickets is because
Speaker 4: my great uncle had them. He was a lummy. He'll
Speaker 4: pay for the stadium like twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: And that's great, and that that that there is. I
Speaker 2: think that specific scenario what you just mentioned with your
Speaker 2: family in football, that will keep season tickets alive for
Speaker 2: a while. But at some point there'll be somebody within
Speaker 2: the family that is on the hook for having to
Speaker 2: pay that just decides, you know what, like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think we really need to do this right.
Speaker 2: So anyways, it was an awesome atmosphere last night, myself, Austin,
Speaker 2: and my wonderful wife, who her name is Tiffany. She
Speaker 2: has The last time she was mentioned as Mercedes on
Speaker 2: the show, I don't remember when it was, but she
Speaker 2: was asked by somebody at work, I believe, like, who's Mercedes,
Speaker 2: Like are you really married to this guy?
Speaker 1: What's going on? And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they could tell I was, you know, having fun,
Speaker 2: that's what this show is. But back in gosh, what
Speaker 2: year was that. That's a long time ago. When I
Speaker 2: went to the Bats game.
Speaker 3: It was definitely I think pre COVID, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Or maybe no, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was pre COVID. God, no, it may have
Speaker 4: been post COVID right at that. I want to say
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right, because I think it was
Speaker 2: when we were starting to be able to come back
Speaker 2: into the office, but not like everybody, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But We had a an iHeart night at Slugger Field
Speaker 2: for the Bats and had a good time. Got hammered
Speaker 2: a lot of people, did myself included and Tony Vinetti.
Speaker 2: You know, he was he was feeling pretty good, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, we got there later. I think that
Speaker 2: then a lot of people because when I got there,
Speaker 2: Venette was already feeling pretty good. And then, uh, he'd
Speaker 2: met my wife a few times at that point, he's
Speaker 2: met my children. He thought my daughter when she was
Speaker 2: a eight month old, or maybe it was whenever she
Speaker 2: came to the office for the first ever trick or
Speaker 2: treating that we had when she was a baby, he
Speaker 2: thought she was a boy.
Speaker 1: Hey, little fella. It was what he called Maya.
Speaker 2: And then the next yeah, the next couple of times
Speaker 2: she saw him, of course she's really young. She gave
Speaker 2: him a look that I've never seen her give anybody
Speaker 2: else up to this point, just a real stank face
Speaker 2: because she knew she was insulted Tony Vinetti. So, Tony's
Speaker 2: met my wife and family many times, but this was
Speaker 2: this was the you know, the the lubricated Tonynetti.
Speaker 3: Very rare for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a fun time, but he was
Speaker 2: like hey. After you know, he came over and and
Speaker 2: we wapped up, and you know, he put his arm
Speaker 2: around my wife and was like hey, and then.
Speaker 1: He realized, like I think I know your name.
Speaker 2: And my wife, whose name is Tiffany, looked at him
Speaker 2: and just grinned and said you don't know my name,
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 1: And he said, yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Mercedes, which is not her name, but she became Mercedes
Speaker 2: to the iHeart world that night, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 2: think she she always will be when it comes to
Speaker 2: to folks like Vannetti and Austin and and Dwight and
Speaker 2: the other when.
Speaker 4: It happened, because and the thing is is I really
Speaker 4: didn't even know Tiffany well, but you know after seeing you,
Speaker 4: like you always see Tiffany like attached to your photos
Speaker 4: or like tell you on it, so like I already knew.
Speaker 4: So like when Mercedes came out, I just thought that
Speaker 4: that was already an inside joke.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that that was when it became a
Speaker 3: slip up right there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So yeah, that's that's that's why we refer
Speaker 1: to her as as Mercedes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, good times last night at the Young Center
Speaker 2: and for those just now joining us. We did talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about the you know, the game itself
Speaker 2: and how well Louisville played despite well, I think it's
Speaker 2: anybody claiming that they didn't play well would have to
Speaker 2: just be talking about the fact that they didn't shoot
Speaker 2: it well, which is true. But man, they played so hard.
Speaker 2: They were locked in as soon as that game started
Speaker 2: until the final second they were more. And again this
Speaker 2: is what I know. Carolina is not having the year
Speaker 2: that they expected. I know they didn't have one of
Speaker 2: their better players last night. Like I'm aware of all
Speaker 2: of that, but for Louisville just to be, you know,
Speaker 2: as physical as they were to I feel like outwork them.
Speaker 2: But it's not like I think Carolina came out there
Speaker 2: and loafed. I just think it was a battle. Neither
Speaker 2: team shot it well. Both shot at forty ish percent.
Speaker 2: Louisvill shot at forty five percent, Carolina shot at forty percent,
Speaker 2: and neither team shot it that well from three ten
Speaker 2: threes total for both teams, four for Carolina, six for
Speaker 2: Louisville twenty three percent from three from the lower which
Speaker 2: is you know, those are things that you know, they
Speaker 2: were getting some decent looks and you should be able
Speaker 2: to make way more free throws than you did. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was really frustrating to see twenty five to thirty nine.
Speaker 2: And I know when they let they missed the first
Speaker 2: three one in ones the front end of them, and
Speaker 2: you had guys going to the line missing two. Chucky
Speaker 2: went to the line at one point missed two of them. So,
Speaker 2: like the free throw three, free throw shooting is an issue.
Speaker 2: And I actually think throughout the year they had some
Speaker 2: games where they're like twenty four or twenty eight, which
Speaker 2: is great, but then they have games like last night,
Speaker 2: so they're not They're certainly not a consistently good free
Speaker 2: throw shooting team, and that is something that you should
Speaker 2: worry about.
Speaker 1: But it's also something that if they.
Speaker 2: End up maybe getting a little bit more consistent and
Speaker 2: they're no longer shooting around sixty four percent, they're shooting
Speaker 2: close to eighty as a team, that wouldn't really shock me.
Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at is Louisville was really impressive
Speaker 2: to me last night. And there's a couple of things
Speaker 2: that you would have looked at ahead of time and said, okay,
Speaker 2: twenty three percent from three, only made six of them.
Speaker 2: I don't like the chances here sixty four percent from
Speaker 2: the line and you went there thirty nine times.
Speaker 1: Those are things that again.
Speaker 2: Should be better, but they were what they were, and
Speaker 2: yet because of everything else, Louisville was able to pull
Speaker 2: off a thirteen point victory and get it. You know,
Speaker 2: one of the is say what you want about Carolina
Speaker 2: and the ACC this year, because I don't really think
Speaker 2: you're wrong if you're gonna claim that Carolina is not
Speaker 2: that great or that the ACC is lousy.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you on both those things, but
Speaker 1: it is what it is.
Speaker 2: You can only control or you can only control the
Speaker 2: teams on your schedule, right like you go out there
Speaker 2: and you play Carolina.
Speaker 4: He's probably the ACC and the schedule itself than anything.
Speaker 3: But that was one of the better opportunities.
Speaker 1: You had left this year to go win games.
Speaker 3: It can potentially help you.
Speaker 2: Find yourself in the NCAA tournament. So really really impressed
Speaker 2: with with with everything last night. And again I happened
Speaker 2: to think that last night was kind of a rare
Speaker 2: night when it comes to how poorly they shot it
Speaker 2: from three. We know they can have nights like that
Speaker 2: where they're just not feeling it. They also have had
Speaker 2: nights where they get to the line that many times
Speaker 2: and they shoot it much better. So if if they
Speaker 2: what impressed me so much last night was that that's
Speaker 2: something that you know, maybe you don't bring it every
Speaker 2: single game to that level, but man, if they play
Speaker 2: with that type of energy, that type of attention to
Speaker 2: detail defensively, and they're just ready from start to finish
Speaker 2: in a game like they were last night, and then
Speaker 2: they start making more than twenty three percent from the
Speaker 2: from three point range, and they start making more than
Speaker 2: sixty four percent of their free throws. This team, I
Speaker 2: don't want to claim that they could be great, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could go on a hell of a run here
Speaker 2: in the ACC. So really good night last night. And
Speaker 2: what made it even better was the commitment from mckel
Speaker 2: brown junior, who actually committed Louisville and side with Louisville
Speaker 2: in the early part in November, but he kept it
Speaker 2: within and wanted to have a special announcement and he
Speaker 2: certainly did that. We'll talk about that on the other side.
Speaker 2: As far as why this is big for Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: other than just knowing that he's added one of the
Speaker 2: best point guards in the country for next season's team.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of ways this can benefit
Speaker 2: him and this program. So we'll get to that and
Speaker 2: a lot more. As I mentioned, I do want to
Speaker 2: talk about the NFL MVP conversation. If you're on hold,
Speaker 2: we'll stick with you, or if we're If you are
Speaker 2: on hold, stick with us, we will get to you.
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Speaker 6: What do you think about this? Analysis?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 6: Okay, these younger coaches are coming in and they know
Speaker 6: what they're up against. You know, you got a new
Speaker 6: roster pretty much every year, you know, going on almost.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, we'll be especially our teams here in
Speaker 6: this state. I think I'm not like dissing them so much,
Speaker 6: but I'm I think there's some smoking mirrors going on here.
Speaker 6: It's like they're touting these three point shots, but dude,
Speaker 6: if you can't make them. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 6: if you've got six curries on your team or three
Speaker 6: curries on your team, okay, go for it.
Speaker 1: But these kids, they can't shoot the ball.
Speaker 6: So you know, it's like, but but they're selling this,
Speaker 6: your notion that we're gonna come in and shoot forties threeties.
Speaker 6: Who cares if you don't make them? But I mean
Speaker 6: it makes no sense, you know. I think what they're
Speaker 6: hiding is a lot of these young guys just don't
Speaker 6: have the.
Speaker 1: You mean coaches, not players when you say young guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the coach. Yeah, I'm at the coaches, I
Speaker 6: think with their high WIT's being hid. And I'm not
Speaker 6: saying like they're doing something malicious or anything. I just
Speaker 6: think this landscape, but they can't you know, produce the boys,
Speaker 6: the young guys on the court that can bang and
Speaker 6: do all this stuff where you know, the older cats
Speaker 6: like us are used to seeing. So it's like I've
Speaker 6: got this new formula and I'm smart, just like all
Speaker 6: the betting stuff. Man, so many people losing money betting,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like, you know who's going
Speaker 6: to make money? So you know you want to the.
Speaker 2: Gist of my point, no, I to I totally do
Speaker 2: will And I actually I think it's a great question,
Speaker 2: and I've got I've got some thoughts specifically on on why.
Speaker 2: And appreciate the call on on what you laid out,
Speaker 2: because I don't think you're wrong at all as far
Speaker 2: as the observation that you've made there. What I mean
Speaker 2: is this both Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope, where they
Speaker 2: came from. It's sort of, you know, their rise to
Speaker 2: be where they are today. Mark Pope coaching Kentucky after
Speaker 2: a brief stint at BYU and after a run at
Speaker 2: Utah Valley State, and then Pat Kelsey had went through
Speaker 2: up to Charleston and now Louisville where they were able
Speaker 2: to kind of build a brand and and carve out success. Again,
Speaker 2: both guys were successful to an extent at both places.
Speaker 1: They were at b YU.
Speaker 2: You know, they weren't in the Big twelve at the
Speaker 2: time Mark Pope got hired, so you know, they're not
Speaker 2: Charleston or Winthrop, but they also were you know, he
Speaker 2: only coaching in the Big twelve one year. So what
Speaker 2: I'm getting at is when you are trying to succeed
Speaker 2: consistently at that lower level, a lot of the players
Speaker 2: at that level are all very similar when it comes
Speaker 2: to talent and ceiling. Not a whole lot of NBA guys, right.
Speaker 2: You occasionally have the rare job Morants that's playing at
Speaker 2: Murray State. You occasionally have some guys that are elite
Speaker 2: despite playing at a lower level, but the majority of
Speaker 2: the guys that you have are all kind of the same.
Speaker 2: There's way more two star, three star ish players out
Speaker 2: there in college basketball than there are fours and fives,
Speaker 2: and the majority of those guys where they reside at
Speaker 2: the smaller level. So that's when that's the landscape, that's
Speaker 2: the playing field. I think you're much better off to
Speaker 2: not be so dependent every year on this guy or
Speaker 2: that guy. It's more about your system and what you do.
Speaker 2: So both Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope when they were
Speaker 2: succeeding before they were at the jobs they're at now,
Speaker 2: it wasn't because they had players that everybody else in
Speaker 2: the country wanted but they were just lucky to get them.
Speaker 2: It was because they really they were early in this
Speaker 2: new world of basketball when it comes to analytics and
Speaker 2: playing at a really fast pace and driving to generate
Speaker 2: a bunch of open threes or layups because you're playing fast,
Speaker 2: or you get at the free throw line, and they
Speaker 2: were able to do that consistently to where you know,
Speaker 2: you could kind of you could get good enough players
Speaker 2: to fit those roles to where you're succeeding at Charleston
Speaker 2: and at BYU and Utah Valley State and Winthrop. More
Speaker 2: so because of what you've installed and what you do
Speaker 2: more so than who you have at this level. You
Speaker 2: can't necessarily win like that all the time. So these
Speaker 2: guys like this is all they know. I'm going to
Speaker 2: put a team out there to where I'm not so
Speaker 2: dependent upon having this elite level talent guy. But we
Speaker 2: we play fast, we have depth, we have guys that
Speaker 2: can shoot it. That's what they want to do. Because
Speaker 2: that's that's that's that's their brand, like, that's that's their style,
Speaker 2: their philosophy. I think what you'll see and Mark Pope's
Speaker 2: already off to a good start. He's got but three
Speaker 2: five star kids that have committed for next year. Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey just got his. So what I think you'll see happen.
Speaker 2: And I certainly hope you see this happen with Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey that you'll realize, Okay, I'm at Louisville now, and yes,
Speaker 2: we're always going to have the identity that that that
Speaker 2: that I want to have. As far as our style,
Speaker 2: we want to shoot a lot of threes, that's never
Speaker 2: going to change. We're gonna believe in in in fast tempo,
Speaker 2: a lot of possessions within each game. That's that's that's
Speaker 2: our that's in our DNA. But you know what, man,
Speaker 2: I got this guy named Michel Brown who's really really good,
Speaker 2: and I know that that we could just decide to
Speaker 2: do something specifically with him because and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this will be the case with mckel you just really
Speaker 2: you never know.
Speaker 1: But like we've got some We've got guy like.
Speaker 2: Him to where nine out of ten teams we play
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be able to really, you know, like
Speaker 2: we're gonna have our way with their point guard because
Speaker 2: he's that good. And again, who knows, maybe maybe he's
Speaker 2: not as good as the rankings say. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: when you play at Louisville in Kentucky at that level,
Speaker 2: and especially not only because of you know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have the ability to get better players at Louisville Kentucky
Speaker 2: than you did where you were before, but also you're
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna play against teams like Ole Miss, like
Speaker 2: Tennessee that are just gonna know from the jump, Look,
Speaker 2: if we go out here and we take away the
Speaker 2: way they want to play, we're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: dare them to just go beat us one on one.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to dare them just make tough shots.
Speaker 2: And that's not a good recipe for you to win
Speaker 2: if that's the case.
Speaker 1: So I think.
Speaker 2: What you what you're observing their will is is just
Speaker 2: because it's a lot different for those guys. Now again,
Speaker 2: I think they'll bring in better players from from a
Speaker 2: recruiting standpoint, I think Louisville and Kentucky are the type
Speaker 2: of programs that if go do stick around meeting in college,
Speaker 2: maybe they hit the portal, or maybe they realize, you
Speaker 2: know what, like, I'm going to stay Louswell because there's
Speaker 2: not another program that's gonna pay me more than what
Speaker 2: they're paying me. Same thing with Kentucky. So that's where
Speaker 2: maybe we'll see, well do they end up developing guys?
Speaker 2: You know, as far as longevity to wear man. You
Speaker 2: brought in this freshman and he's a junior. Now, oh,
Speaker 2: he's a tough player because he's been working with the
Speaker 2: staff and he's really developed. They've really you know, developed players.
Speaker 2: Player development is still going to be important, but it.
Speaker 1: May burn you.
Speaker 2: You may develop a guy and then he's ending into
Speaker 2: his junior season and the payoff is going to be
Speaker 2: there for you as a coach, and.
Speaker 1: He decides to bail.
Speaker 2: So you need to be able to mean the job
Speaker 2: really has changed in a major way because all of
Speaker 2: the components of being a successful college basketball coach, I
Speaker 2: think are still the same. You need to recruit, you
Speaker 2: need to be able to know what you're doing as
Speaker 2: far as ex'es and o's. When it comes to strategy,
Speaker 2: you need to be able to retain players in the portal.
Speaker 2: You need to be able to recruit in the portal.
Speaker 2: There's not anything that's no longer at all relevant. It's
Speaker 2: just it's men. It's it's it's been off balanced, and
Speaker 2: it's and it's a there's you know, for example, you
Speaker 2: used to be able to bring in a number one
Speaker 2: recruiting class every year or a top ten recruiting class
Speaker 2: every year, and like that would be enough to wear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna be really good.
Speaker 2: But now that's that's just not the case because guys
Speaker 2: stick around in college longer. And I'm not even just
Speaker 2: talking about the guys that have more eligibility because of
Speaker 2: the COVID year. I'm talking about dudes used to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I know I'm not going to go to the NBA.
Speaker 2: I could stay around and play in college for two
Speaker 2: more years and do it for fun and not get paid.
Speaker 2: Or I can go ahead and start my pro clock
Speaker 2: and go play in Europe and give me two years
Speaker 2: of making really good money when I'm in my prime
Speaker 2: as far as an athlete. So now they're realizing, hey,
Speaker 2: I'll stay in college as long as they'll let me,
Speaker 2: because I'll make more money here than I will playing
Speaker 2: in Argentina or playing in Greece because I'm not an
Speaker 2: NBA guy, but man in il in college, at these
Speaker 2: high level programs, they're still paying big money. So I
Speaker 2: think you'll see both Mark Pope and Pat kell see
Speaker 2: realize at these two places that they're at, they don't
Speaker 2: need to be as reliant upon their system. They can
Speaker 2: get dudes that like, hey, you can you can mix
Speaker 2: it up and do a little little bit of you
Speaker 2: can do some different things because you know you've got
Speaker 2: guys that the majority of the teams you're gonna play
Speaker 2: they don't have guys as good as this guy.
Speaker 3: Or that guy.
Speaker 2: So I think it's a good observation by Will. Now
Speaker 2: when it comes to the three point shooting, I think
Speaker 2: you know, not as much for for Kentucky, although you
Speaker 2: know they're not shooting it as good from three as.
Speaker 1: I think they were supposed to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they've got guys like Louisville that
Speaker 2: if anybody gets hot that you see shooting a lot
Speaker 2: of threes every night, you can't be surprised because you
Speaker 2: know they've got that ability. But from a percentage standpoint,
Speaker 2: Kentucky shooting about thirty five percent and I think their
Speaker 2: numbers in recent games have kind of fallen off a
Speaker 2: little bit, but again, there's still a team that at
Speaker 2: any moment they get hot from three, nobody's going to
Speaker 2: be that shocked. Louisville, on the other hand, has not.
Speaker 2: We know, it's been a talking point. They've had nights
Speaker 2: where they look really good from three, they make a
Speaker 2: bunch of them, and then they've had night where they
Speaker 2: keep firing it up.
Speaker 1: And it just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: I mean, right now, Louisville shooting twenty nine percent from
Speaker 2: three as a team, and that's bad, which again, that's
Speaker 2: concerning in one way, but it's also I think a
Speaker 2: sign that, man, despite the one thing they rely on
Speaker 2: maybe more than anything, it has not gone well for
Speaker 2: them yet this year. And yet I think they're still
Speaker 2: in position right now to where they could potentially be
Speaker 2: in the tournament. So my guess is as far as
Speaker 2: why these guys are still while these teams are both
Speaker 2: shooting a ton of threes and it's just not working,
Speaker 2: is because, yeah, let's say, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: a good example Terrence Edwards, and in fact, he shot
Speaker 2: it pretty well in the last month or so. He's
Speaker 2: played really good basketball. Didn't have a great night as
Speaker 2: far as production last night, but he still played a
Speaker 2: role in the win, no doubt. But him shooting thirty
Speaker 2: eight percent or thirty nine percent, whatever it was at
Speaker 2: James Madison that was in a much different system, much
Speaker 2: different world than what Louisville wants to do with Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey's offense. So you know, you're not as efficient at
Speaker 2: shooting the three whenever or you're playing as fast as
Speaker 2: Louisville does, or when you're playing as many minutes as
Speaker 2: he's playing. So again, both teams I think in any
Speaker 2: moment could get hot from three and completely flip the game.
Speaker 2: But the percentage is just haven't been as good as
Speaker 2: most expected. Louisville, that's for certain. With Kentucky, I still
Speaker 2: be thirty five percent is a pretty good percentage. But
Speaker 2: I do feel like they had a little little bit
Speaker 2: of a dip there towards, you know, towards the end
Speaker 2: of the of December. And I guess back to the
Speaker 2: other point that he made about the you know, these
Speaker 2: guys not being able to develop. They might be able to,
Speaker 2: but like you just if you've got to balance what
Speaker 2: you are giving most of your resources to player development
Speaker 2: is the one that's probably just the natural thing. Some
Speaker 2: of these coaches probably enjoy that more than a lot
Speaker 2: of the other aspects to come with the job. But
Speaker 2: do you really put as much investment into that as
Speaker 2: you once did? And maybe the answer is yes, of course,
Speaker 2: But if not, I wouldn't be shocked because again, if
Speaker 2: you've got a guy, you can't just operate, well, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't really want to, you know,
Speaker 2: prioritize his development as much because I think he's going
Speaker 2: to leave. But you just kind of it's we're at
Speaker 2: a point now where for the most part, there are
Speaker 2: some exceptions, but really, anybody in college sports just deciding
Speaker 2: to leave can't really shock you because they just have
Speaker 2: the ability to do it now, and they want to leave,
Speaker 2: they'll leave. So it's, you know, it's a new world
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Speaker 2: Day because they delayed the Sugar Bowl by twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: We actually had the kickoff.
Speaker 2: Between Notre Dame and Georgia at four o'clock and we've
Speaker 2: got two minutes roughly left in the first quarter. No
Speaker 2: score at this point, and it looks like tough for
Speaker 2: me to tell, just about pulling it up here who
Speaker 2: has the ball? But they're here we go. It looks
Speaker 2: as if ye had Notre Dame. Well, never mind, I
Speaker 2: can't tell who has the ball either way. It's scoreless,
Speaker 2: zero to zero at this point, and it looks like
Speaker 2: Notre Dame has the ball and they are on their
Speaker 2: own twelve fifteen yard line something like that. So no
Speaker 2: score just yet, and the live odds for those that
Speaker 2: you know, maybe forgot there was a game going on
Speaker 2: because it's not usually a workday where you have a
Speaker 2: four o'clock game with a college football playoff matchup. But
Speaker 2: right now as we speak, Notre Dame minus two and
Speaker 2: a half is, uh, well, let me see is that right?
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound right it does it?
Speaker 2: Because yeah, we went to break it was zero zero
Speaker 2: Georgia minus three and a half. Now the live line
Speaker 2: is Notre Dame minus two and a half and they
Speaker 2: did just convert there on a first down, so they're
Speaker 2: moving down the field and I'm probably not going to
Speaker 2: touch it, love because I just be guessing. But I've
Speaker 2: never really been a believer in Notre Dame because Louisville
Speaker 2: played so poorly against them and should have beat them,
Speaker 2: and I know that they lost in Northern Illinois, which
Speaker 2: is just insane to think about. But you know, when
Speaker 2: I've watched them in other games, even though like Indiana
Speaker 2: is not great. Obviously Anyan had a good year and
Speaker 2: good team, but I understand why Notre Dame beating Indiana.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really impress a lot of people. But when
Speaker 2: I watched Notre Dame. I feel like they do have
Speaker 2: some really good players and maybe they are a really
Speaker 2: good team.
Speaker 1: Hey, can you turn the music off? Completely down?
Speaker 3: His music still on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the can I little I hear that song?
Speaker 3: There we goes.
Speaker 1: Anyways, it's allry about it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure nobody else even noticed it, and it made
Speaker 2: it might have been soothing.
Speaker 1: I just it was. It was throwing me off there
Speaker 1: a little bit. But that's good.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've once again started off the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five year by delivering.
Speaker 3: It's got a.
Speaker 1: Great, great set of set of tracks. Here as weyhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it mixing it up to start twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not I'm not touching this game live.
Speaker 2: But would be something if George ends up losing, because
Speaker 2: at that point Texas would be the only SEC team left.
Speaker 1: And wow, well maybe they win.
Speaker 2: It all because I still think Texas is pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: But to see how really how bad they looked against Georgia.
Speaker 2: Although George is great in the SEC championship game and
Speaker 2: they did handle Clemson pretty easily, so I guess that
Speaker 2: one counts, but it just be it would be wild
Speaker 2: to see Notre Dame pull off this win because Georgia,
Speaker 2: despite you know, this year, losing a couple of games,
Speaker 2: they lose two games or just one. I think they
Speaker 2: lost two, didn't they two? Now I got to look
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Georgia on paper.
Speaker 2: For being honest, I think heading into this year was
Speaker 2: probably viewed as one A, one B as far as
Speaker 2: most talent. That's along with Ohio State also, who looked
Speaker 2: really good yesterday against Oregon. But I just, I don't know,
Speaker 2: have a hard time seeing Notre Dame win this game.
Speaker 2: But so far we're a quarter in and it's scoreless,
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame is the one that has the momentum,
Speaker 2: and in real time they're favored by one and a half.
Speaker 2: And then again, this was delayed twenty four hours because
Speaker 2: what happened on New Year's Eve in New Orleans, which
Speaker 2: is just a tragic situation. I think it's fifty people
Speaker 2: or fifteen people have lost their life, more than thirty
Speaker 2: were injured.
Speaker 1: I mean, just an awful situation.
Speaker 2: And I can't even watch some of the video that
Speaker 2: has surfaced of the whole thing, just because it's awful.
Speaker 1: But I've actually been to.
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve on Bourbon Street in New Orleans one time,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't because I made it a point, Hey,
Speaker 2: I want to go party on New Year's Eve in
Speaker 2: New Orleans. I was there for the Louisville Sugar Bowl.
Speaker 2: And we landed on New Year's Eve in New Orleans
Speaker 2: in the evening, like dinner time, and got to our hotel,
Speaker 2: got situated, made the walk to Bourbon Street, probably around
Speaker 2: I don't know n I'm thirty ten, and it was
Speaker 2: it was scary it, you know, and I don't mean
Speaker 2: because like everybody should have been scared, and I was
Speaker 2: predicting something to happen, like what happened the other night.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's the kind of crowd that gives
Speaker 2: me next level anxiety and and you know, I panic.
Speaker 1: A little bit. So we walked to a couple of spots.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad my wife said it before I did,
Speaker 2: because if I said it, I would have been worried.
Speaker 2: She would think that, you know, I'm a whimp, and
Speaker 2: maybe I am. But she was like, do you want
Speaker 2: to just go back closer to the hotel bar because
Speaker 2: there was a lot of loival fans there just hanging
Speaker 2: out partying, but we wanted to EXPERI I'd never been
Speaker 2: to New Orleans at that time. But you know, as
Speaker 2: far as being in a big city for a big
Speaker 2: holiday like New Year's Eve, I mean not to say that.
Speaker 2: And this is where I'm spinning my wheels here because
Speaker 2: I don't want to act like the people who went
Speaker 2: should have expected that to happen, because that's ridiculous and
Speaker 2: you can't live your life at every moment thinking should
Speaker 2: I go, should I have fun, should I enjoy my life?
Speaker 2: Or should I worry that somebody's gonna to be a
Speaker 2: madman or a terrorist and come and kill me along
Speaker 2: with other people?
Speaker 1: Like you can't. You can't live that way. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I watched.
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve on Tuesday night whenever it was, and
Speaker 2: saw all the coverage that you saw from the National
Speaker 2: networks on in Nashville, in Vegas and New York City,
Speaker 2: I mean I never once thought like, wow, that would
Speaker 2: be that, that would be where somebody's gonna target, if
Speaker 2: they're gonna make some kind of a you know, terrorist
Speaker 2: attack or something like that. But when you do see
Speaker 2: it happen, like it's just I mean, this is one
Speaker 2: of those things that as bad as it is, I
Speaker 2: think I'm kind of numb to this kind of stuff now,
Speaker 2: not to where like I'm thinking, oh, who cares, no
Speaker 2: big deal, But these kind of things have happened enough
Speaker 2: to where the overall like shock and surprise, it.
Speaker 1: Just didn't there anymore.
Speaker 2: And that that that's sad for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2: But one of those reasons is because we're not surprised anymore.
Speaker 1: Like it happens enough, it's happened.
Speaker 2: These things have happened enough to where like it's just
Speaker 2: kind of kind of kind of life now, which again
Speaker 2: that's awful, but condolences to to to you know, everybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, what a sad, sad situation. And I'm just
Speaker 2: you know what, I what I was thinking about yesterday,
Speaker 2: when of course it became such a big story, was
Speaker 2: just those who did die, like knowing they were out,
Speaker 2: probably expecting to have a night of their maybe the
Speaker 2: night of their life, right sell it. Maybe they're you know,
Speaker 2: some of them weren't locals obviously in some of the
Speaker 2: stories about those who have passed and were killed that night,
Speaker 2: and we now know, you know, their backgrounds at least
Speaker 2: some of them, and anybody losing their life like that
Speaker 2: as a tragic situation, but man, just to be so excited,
Speaker 2: probably to celebrate the New Year holiday and be somewhere
Speaker 2: that you know is probably a fun place to be
Speaker 2: Bourbon Street in New Orleans. Yeah, and then to have
Speaker 2: that happen. Man, it's just again, like it's an obvious
Speaker 2: thing to say. It's a sad situation overall. But you know,
Speaker 2: like we postponed a big sporting event, which they made
Speaker 2: the right call, I think to postpone it twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: and I just think, like we're now in I don't
Speaker 2: want to say autopile, and then everybody's different. I can
Speaker 2: only speak for myself, and maybe I'm in the minority
Speaker 2: here in a major way. But like these kind of
Speaker 2: big stories, these tragic things that happen, it just it's
Speaker 2: it's not surprising anymore, and that overall is what's what's sad.
Speaker 4: I think at the top of my list, New Orleans
Speaker 4: is still up there for a possible bachelor party.
Speaker 1: I've been to two of them there.
Speaker 4: And it was it was always it's something that's out
Speaker 4: of the uh. Well, I feel like a lot of
Speaker 4: people locally don't think about that. Everyone just seems to
Speaker 4: go to like Nashville or Vegas.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to do all that.
Speaker 4: New Orleans is still close enough and it's still big enough,
Speaker 4: like of a party town.
Speaker 3: I would recommend It's still have fun.
Speaker 1: If you could make it happen. I would recommend New
Speaker 1: Orleans for a bachelor party.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was the best man in my buddy Matt's wedding,
Speaker 2: and that's where we did his, and it was it
Speaker 2: was different, it was it was awesome. I also have
Speaker 2: been to one in Vegas, which which that was fun,
Speaker 2: but you know, I I wouldn't be you know, if
Speaker 2: I had a buddy who got married and was having
Speaker 2: one and I could make it work, I'd try to
Speaker 2: be there, but I could also go without it. I'm
Speaker 2: glad a lot of a lot of Like my my
Speaker 2: bachelor party was in Chicago, but I've been to probably yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been to more bachelor parties in in Nashville than
Speaker 2: anywhere else. But this was before Nashville became what it
Speaker 2: is now. Oh Okay, So I mean I kind of
Speaker 2: feel fortunate. Dare I say that that we got to
Speaker 2: experience like some bar like it's so corporatized down there
Speaker 2: now on Broadway, which.
Speaker 3: It's awesome for a single bar as a country artists bar.
Speaker 1: Jelly Rolls got one now, Luke Combs has one.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: The other ones have been there a dame.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm sure those places are a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Like I was just in Nashville for the Titans Bengals
Speaker 2: game a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't go
Speaker 2: out bar hopping because I was there with my family.
Speaker 2: But you know, Nashville is awesome right now. It's a
Speaker 2: cool place to be. It's just not necessarily my cup
Speaker 2: of tea. But there were some bars on Broadway that,
Speaker 2: you know, dare I say, hole in the wall type
Speaker 2: compared to what you have there now, and I kind
Speaker 2: of like, I think it was.
Speaker 1: Called Paradise Park. There was a bar that.
Speaker 2: Was essentially like two double wide trailers together and like
Speaker 2: it but it was if you know, you know, but
Speaker 2: it was really cool, Like it was just a different
Speaker 2: type of setting. It's not the corporate Nashville country that's
Speaker 2: that's there now. And again clearly they're doing well. You
Speaker 2: know what it costs to stay in Nashville for a
Speaker 2: weekend now, it's it's a lot of money, So clearly
Speaker 2: they're they're doing well. But I'm glad that we were
Speaker 2: able to experience the bachelor parties I went to right
Speaker 2: before it kind of turned into to what it is now. Right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, New Orleans, I would definitely definitely recommend.
Speaker 3: It's definitely up there.
Speaker 4: I've only been there once, and I was really only
Speaker 4: there for like an hour. I was there visiting Biloxi
Speaker 4: and we went to Uh, I think we're on our
Speaker 4: way to Pensacola, but we stopped there for like two
Speaker 4: hours and it was in the daytime.
Speaker 1: So can I remember that trip that you went on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still stop.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of it and uh, but it's
Speaker 4: it's still like it was still pretty live for like
Speaker 4: the daytime. It's it's almost like the sentiment for Nashville.
Speaker 4: No matter when you go, it's always going to be popping.
Speaker 4: But I want to have like a whole night there.
Speaker 4: I think that'd be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, I think you should make it,
Speaker 2: make it a point to get there for a weekend
Speaker 2: have good time. I'm sure it's not the case anymore
Speaker 2: because everything's way more expensive than it used to be,
Speaker 2: But I remember going to Nashville, or not Nashville, but
Speaker 2: New Orleans twice and thinking to myself, Okay, I'm drinking
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of meals.
Speaker 2: I've just been bouncing around at different establishments here on
Speaker 2: Bourbon Street, and I'm doing it way cheaper than I
Speaker 2: would ever do it in Vegas, in Nashville, in Chicago,
Speaker 2: in New York City, in Miami. These are all places
Speaker 2: I've been to, so like, I remember, one of the
Speaker 2: things that stood stood out about New Orleans was that
Speaker 2: it was much more affordable now. Again, nothing seems to
Speaker 2: be as affordable now as it was because of the
Speaker 2: economy and whatnot. But I remember thinking to myself, I
Speaker 2: remember the drive to the airport one time, and then
Speaker 2: we actually drove home. We drove there on one of
Speaker 2: the trips. I went on, thinking both times, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm hungover as hell. I'm really gonna be regretting it
Speaker 2: at work tomorrow. Oh man, I can't hang like I
Speaker 2: used to. Like those were thoughts going through my mind
Speaker 2: as I had that anxiety hanging over me. But then
Speaker 2: I also found out, like, okay, I didn't spend near
Speaker 2: as much money as I would have if I was
Speaker 2: in a different city, So yeah, New Orleans is a
Speaker 2: lot of fun real quick. The question that somebody asked
Speaker 2: on the text line that I wanted to get to
Speaker 2: before we get to the top of the hour here,
Speaker 2: The text says, Nick, I know you're a.
Speaker 1: Big kin Pom fan.
Speaker 2: When you look at Louisville's projected record via kin Pom,
Speaker 2: do you think that would be good enough to get
Speaker 2: him in the tournament?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And you really are putting me on the spot here
Speaker 2: because you didn't even tell me. I had to look
Speaker 2: it up, which I do have a subscription humble brag
Speaker 2: to kin Pom. I mean, yes, I do well enough
Speaker 2: here at iHeart I can afford the nine to ninety
Speaker 2: nine nine dollars and ninety nine cents per year to
Speaker 2: cover it. So just a little bit of a humble
Speaker 2: brag for me, But yes, I logged in and I'm
Speaker 2: looking at it. So currently, Ken Pom has Louisville finishing
Speaker 2: twenty and eleven overall, thirteen and seven in the ACC.
Speaker 2: The only games they're projected to lose the rest of
Speaker 2: the way Pittsburgh twice, because they played pitt at their
Speaker 2: place and at home and then also at SMU Now, again,
Speaker 2: the way the formula works, just because they're projected to
Speaker 2: win every game but three doesn't actually mean that they're
Speaker 2: end result in the formula of projection is going to
Speaker 2: show that they are an eight loss team. So there's
Speaker 2: some games that you have like a fifty four percent
Speaker 2: chance of winning or a fifty one percent chance of winning,
Speaker 2: and they just assume that you're not going to you know,
Speaker 2: when it's that close, one of them is probably not
Speaker 2: going to go your way. And of course you'll lose
Speaker 2: to teams you probably mean a lot of teams will
Speaker 2: end up losing games in January and February against teams
Speaker 2: that they really had no business losing, because.
Speaker 1: That's just that's just how it works.
Speaker 2: So if they are twenty and eleven overall thirteen and
Speaker 2: seven in the ACC, I mean, I hate to give
Speaker 2: you a cop out answer, but it would really so
Speaker 2: much depend on what that thirteen and seven looks like
Speaker 2: in the ACC. If your seven losses are I don't know,
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, just guessing, because that's
Speaker 2: all I can do is guess. I think thirteen and
Speaker 2: seven in the ACC would probably have them on the bubble,
Speaker 2: but maybe on the outside looking in, because right now
Speaker 2: you have one loss inn ACC play, and that's to
Speaker 2: Duke and I think they're there's a handful of games
Speaker 2: on here that like if you lose, like, for example,
Speaker 2: you play Virginia at their place this weekend. Virginia is
Speaker 2: one O two and the Ken Palm Louisvill's fifty four.
Speaker 2: Louisville is projected to win this game by two points,
Speaker 2: sixty six to sixty four. That's a game that if
Speaker 2: you lose it, it's no longer. It doesn't look like
Speaker 2: the other losses you have like that, even though it's
Speaker 2: at their place in Virginia, for the most part, has
Speaker 2: been one of the better teams in the ACC since
Speaker 2: louis has been in the league, that loss actually stands
Speaker 2: out as an outlier compared to your other losses, like
Speaker 2: you can no longer like Louisville's best case scenario is
Speaker 2: to beat all the teams they're supposed to be in
Speaker 2: the ACC.
Speaker 1: Have the losses that they do.
Speaker 2: Take come against teams like Pittsburgh, like SMU, who else
Speaker 2: is decent? You know, gosh, there's not even that many
Speaker 2: deep you might have them, Yeah, there's not even they
Speaker 2: play They've got Clemson at home next.
Speaker 1: Tuesday or Tuesday in just a few days.
Speaker 2: So that's one that like, you could lose that and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be and be like, how'd you lose that one?
Speaker 2: Because they're still a top thirty caliber team right now.
Speaker 2: The best thing on Louisvill's resume is that everybody that
Speaker 2: has beat them at this point they're safely in the
Speaker 2: field for the tournament, and some of them, including Duke
Speaker 2: and Tennessee, are top five teams. So I would guess
Speaker 2: that at twenty and eleven, thirteen and seven, they're probably
Speaker 2: not in, but they're close. I don't know that for certain. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm just guessing because I told you it's just a
Speaker 2: guess at this point. And that's how wild it is
Speaker 2: to see the acc in this position, is that it's
Speaker 2: not only about like not having a whole lot of
Speaker 2: opportunities to get real signature wins. You've got I think
Speaker 2: maybe two thirds of this league. If you lose to them,
Speaker 2: it's a shot at your your resume takes a hit
Speaker 2: to where maybe it doesn't automatically eliminate you, but like
Speaker 2: if you mess around and loose to Virginia Clemson, and
Speaker 2: then maybe you slip up when you go play wake
Speaker 2: at their place. Like those are losses that aren't just
Speaker 2: gonna be like what are you gonna do? You play
Speaker 2: in a tough lie, Like no, you don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's some teams in this league that are really, really bad,
Speaker 2: and like this is just how wild it is. You've
Speaker 2: got Syracuse, You've got Georgia Tech, Boston College, cal those
Speaker 2: kind of teams. They're now in a Louisville is in
Speaker 2: a position with the rest of the league as well,
Speaker 2: but that you know, it's still a lie for the
Speaker 2: tournament in some way that if you don't beat them bad,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna take what's called a metric loss.
Speaker 1: Like the fact that the ACC.
Speaker 2: Is a basketball conference is now filled with is now
Speaker 2: filled I shouldn't say filled, but like throughout your entire schedule,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have some games that not only do you
Speaker 2: need to win, but if you don't beat them bad enough,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get them, like in the SEC because of
Speaker 2: how loaded that league is and the Big Ten. And
Speaker 2: I don't know how loaded the Big Ten is this year,
Speaker 2: but clearly you know much better than the ACC with that,
Speaker 2: Like you don't have many losses that are considered metric losses, right, Like,
Speaker 2: you could lose close games to really good teams for
Speaker 2: two weeks straight and probably climb in these formulas, which
Speaker 2: again my biggest gripe is that winning and losing should
Speaker 2: be factored more than it actually is. But nonetheless, it's
Speaker 2: danger zone here in the ACC because you have very
Speaker 2: little room to mess up or have a bad week,
Speaker 2: because these losses now will hurt you more than ACC
Speaker 2: conference losses probably ever have with you know, not every team,
Speaker 2: but with quite a few of them. All Right, we're
Speaker 2: up against it. We've got the five o'clock hour come
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