WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:02.160 Hey, what's up. 2 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.879 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.559 Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. 4 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:15.960 Warning the following podcast it contains content and material intended 5 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:40.200 for mature audience listener discretion. Here we are episode two, 6 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.200 Episode number two. No longer just a one and done. 7 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.479 This is officially a series we made it. Cheers to 8 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:47.280 that series. Cheers boom. 9 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:48.479 What's you're drinking? 10 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.520 Well, funny you should ask. First off, Okay, a quick 11 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:56.000 shout out to a local brewery, Trench. I love Trench brewing. 12 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:56.759 We love Trench. 13 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:58.960 So if you guys are listening, sponsor us. That's what 14 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.039 we're saying. I'm specifically going to be messaging you're just 15 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:07.840 right out there, but actually thankfully because of you. Okay, 16 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.840 long story short, So for everyone listening, there's this local 17 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.200 alefest that usually happens with craft beer, and it's very 18 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:17.159 hard to get tickets to. Generally, it's a pretty small thing. 19 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.280 Local craft breweries, you know, put their stuff together and 20 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:20.680 you go there and you try all this stuff, and 21 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.599 the craft breweries it's it's a drunken evening of lots 22 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.439 of different beer. Basically, you try all this stuff. However, 23 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.799 because of COVID. Yeah, that's not gonna happen this year. 24 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:31.159 It's what they did is they decided to come out 25 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:33.599 with a pack of beer from a bunch of local breweries. 26 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:36.159 I had it in my calendar for like a month. 27 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.560 I've been waiting to buy this pack of beer, waiting 28 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:40.319 and waiting. 29 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.079 Key, I didn't quite realize to the extent of like 30 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.519 how important this was. 31 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:46.640 Oh yeah, I had a reminder in my calendar for 32 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.879 three days prior to it was a really three days 33 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:50.480 in a row. I had a reminder pop up on 34 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:50.879 my phone. 35 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:52.200 Oh gosh, okay. 36 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.879 Because they went on sale on a Friday morning, and 37 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:56.560 I was like, I'm going to go to the store 38 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:57.760 as soon as they wake up from work. And I'm 39 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:59.159 on night shift. So I wake up with like noon, 40 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.480 stores has been already open for like three hours, and 41 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:02.920 I'm like, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get my 42 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:04.560 case of beer right away. Because I only made thirteen 43 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:06.680 hundred cases and a small town, it's not that big 44 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.639 of a deal. However, I woke up and they're all 45 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:09.039 sold out. 46 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:11.319 We had talked about me going and getting. 47 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.240 Them, and that that didn't work out. However, I am 48 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:18.000 holding the trench brewing beer from that pack right now, 49 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.000 and do you want to go on for the rest 50 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:20.599 of the story. 51 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.240 Well, basically, in a span of twenty four hours, I 52 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.439 was the worst wife of the year and then the 53 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:26.400 best wife of the year. 54 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:27.960 Well I never said you were the worst. 55 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.439 Way I felt that way because I was like, holy freak, 56 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.159 Like I was up and there's like a liquor store 57 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.280 two minutes away, and I could have just hopped in 58 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:36.960 my civic and freaking. 59 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.479 Got you this shout out to civic sponsor us, yeah 60 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.199 and now handait, let's get on us here. 61 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.240 But I didn't do that. I was working, though, and 62 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.599 I feel like most people who actually went and got 63 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.360 it were probably supposed to be work. Probably, but anyway, 64 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.360 that's aside to the point. So I had just stuck 65 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:57.120 it up on my Instagram story saying, oh, we missed out, 66 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.360 like if anyone has an extra pack, like, let me know, 67 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.159 I'll totally take it off your hands. And we had 68 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.319 friends that had an extra pack and I was doing 69 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:06.879 a photo shoot with them the next day, so I 70 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.000 uh picked it up and came home and surprised. Okay, 71 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.120 even before the photo shoot, I knew I was getting this, 72 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:14.240 And I almost told you because I can't keep surprising, 73 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.080 never keep. But I didn't. 74 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:18.599 I didn't tell, So I. 75 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.520 Came in the house, I had this pack and I 76 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:22.879 filmed your reaction. I need to make a TikTok out 77 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:23.039 of that. 78 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:24.080 Yeah, you do, you do. 79 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.159 But it was awesome. I was so excited wife for. 80 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.199 The year right there. That's why you're a keeper, because 81 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.680 you buy me beer that I can't buy myself. 82 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:36.280 Yeah, yeah, that's the only reason. Okay, Well, and I'm 83 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:42.960 drinking Trench too. I'm drinking their Wild Burry Vodka Seltzer sltzer. 84 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.360 It's like a spritzer seltzer, like a I don't know, bubbly. 85 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.680 Drink, and it's actually quite good. But I do think 86 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.159 their peach rosemary is my fave. 87 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:52.840 Yeah, but you're out of that, so you're on your 88 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:54.400 already drink. You're on your backup now. 89 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.080 Yeah, it's still a good backup. 90 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.120 It's a good backup anything from Trench. Highly recommend that 91 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.240 they're great people, great place, great drinks. Go to them 92 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:03.800 all the time. 93 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:05.000 Totally. 94 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.240 Do we have anything that we need to announce or 95 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.919 say anything? Oh? Do we say that we have an 96 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.599 Instagram in our last podcast. 97 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.360 If we feel like we did, I don't know if 98 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:16.160 we didn't. We have an. 99 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.519 Instagram, Yeah, go check us out. It's wicked and gram 100 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:19.959 just over on Instagram boom. 101 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:23.199 Yeah, and we'll be posting piving personal stuff about us. 102 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.040 But then also every episode will be posting stuff and like. 103 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.279 Photos from the cases and stuff. If people want a 104 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.199 little bit more like detail, they can go to Instagram 105 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:31.639 and look at a cool photo exactly. 106 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:32.839 And of course I'm going to make sure that I 107 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.240 put show notes in the description of this podcast as well, 108 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:37.920 So if you want to find anything, do your own 109 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:40.959 little research, because I can't cover everything. All the links 110 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.439 down below, and you can go down the rabbit hole 111 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.360 that it's the internet to find even more because I 112 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.560 can't post every link. I went through so many links, 113 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:49.759 but I posted the big ones. 114 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.000 Oh gosh. Well, and then if you like the podcast 115 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:54.800 would be hours two, you can probably have an hour 116 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.839 like two hour long podcasts on cases. 117 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:01.600 Oh, I'm like the podfather Joe Rogan himself. His podcasts 118 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.160 are hours long, like hours. 119 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.639 Long, right, I remember you telling me that, and I 120 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.199 was like, how do you both time for that? I 121 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.560 can't really listen to a podcast for longer than an hour. 122 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.720 I'm pretty sure it's mostly just people sitting back smoking 123 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.360 a joint and time just like flies by for him 124 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.920 sort of thing. I mean, Joe Rogan's a stoner himself, 125 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.120 so I'm pretty sure it's a stoner audience he has. 126 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.600 Okay, See, I didn't know that. I don't know him. Well, 127 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:25.680 well I cannot that you do. But I mean, like 128 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:26.639 I don't follow him. 129 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:28.560 I don't. I don't necessarily follow him, but I do 130 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.519 like watching some of his highlights sometimes. He's a smart guy. 131 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.000 He's a smart, very healthy, very active guy. But he 132 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:35.600 does like his marijuana. 133 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.519 I know him from Fear Factor. 134 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:38.759 Oh, the Fear Factor guy. 135 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.560 I was all about freaking Fear Factor man. 136 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.519 That show was the shit good old days man. 137 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.040 And that just like dated us real real bad. 138 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:47.720 Oh yeah, in the nineties or did it run into 139 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:48.519 the two thousands. 140 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:51.160 I don't even know. I just remember it was always 141 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.959 so terrifying when they were getting like covered with snakes 142 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.720 or insects, Like I just I could not deal with that. 143 00:05:57.959 --> 00:05:59.800 Just mind over matter, Oh there is. 144 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:01.839 I would rather eat the bug than that. 145 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:02.959 True. 146 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:04.000 Okay. 147 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:05.160 What we are going to do, though, is we are 148 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.279 going to take ourselves back to early two well, I 149 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.920 guess late two thousands. This case actually takes place in 150 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:11.839 July thirtieth of two. 151 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:13.759 Thousand and eight, two thousand and eight. 152 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.680 Yes, well, people are actually saying, like friends and stuff 153 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.040 we were talking to are like, can you do like 154 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.199 a Canadian case. I want to hear Canadian stuff. I 155 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:23.720 plan on doing like worldwide cases, but I definitely want 156 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.399 to hit stuff close to home. And I remember specifically, 157 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:27.560 like when this happened. 158 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:29.040 I remember this in the news. 159 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:30.199 It was all over the news. 160 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.560 It was crazy, like holy, how could this happen? 161 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.319 Like this warning to anyone listening to this case or 162 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:40.439 this this podcast. This is a particularly gruesome case and 163 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.600 very controversial as well. We'll get into why it's controversial 164 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.639 here in a little bit, but it's very controversial. I'm 165 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.399 going to try and stay as neutral as possible for 166 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.680 this one and kind of ride in between, although I 167 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:54.160 do have I will voice my opinion, but I'll present 168 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:55.160 it as neutral as possible. 169 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.759 That's fair, that's good. 170 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.240 Okay. So this is actually basically forever get to be 171 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.680 known as the Greyhound bus beheading. 172 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:04.360 Oh okay, it has a name. 173 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:07.399 Well, I mean, it's anytime someone talks about it. That's 174 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.560 that's what they refer to it as it's a greyhound 175 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.399 bus beheading or a greyhound beheading or a greyhound murder, 176 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:14.839 something along those lines. It's always attached to greyhound, right, 177 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.000 which is unfortunate for that company. 178 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.319 But they're still around, aren't they Greyhounds? Oh? Yeah they 179 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.959 are because we lost our greyhound. But they's still a thing. 180 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.480 Yeah. Well, because we're so far north in British Columbia, 181 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:29.279 it's like who wants to travel there? Although although the 182 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.759 individual we were covering today, Tim McClain, who was the 183 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.480 individual murdered on the greyhound bus, he was on his 184 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.120 way to Winnipeg because he was packing up his belonging 185 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:39.839 to because he was actually moving to British Columbia. 186 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.680 Oh to Prince George. 187 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.000 Yep, so he was headed. He left his job. Well 188 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.480 maybe sorry not Prince stroutge Sorr. He was. He was 189 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:51.240 packing up his stuff from where he was in Edmonton. 190 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:53.639 He was a carnee and he was traveling back and forth, okay, 191 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.160 and he was going over to Winnipeg, go home, get 192 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.040 his stuff there, and he's going to travel to BC 193 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:59.720 because he worked as a carne and he was all 194 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.120 over the place, you know, doing carnivals, and he fell 195 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:04.600 in love with BC. Anyways, I'm getting ahead of myself. 196 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.160 I've got my pages of notes. 197 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:08.000 I'm excited for this. 198 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.000 Let's start at the very beginning. So Tim McLean he 199 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.240 was actually twenty two years old when he unfortunately lost 200 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.920 his life. Yeah, it really is. He was born October third, 201 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.079 nineteen eighty five, so he is older than us. By 202 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.480 by now he would be what he would be like 203 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:23.399 twenty or thirty five. 204 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.839 I think you're making do math three years older than us, 205 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:28.800 so thirty five? 206 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.920 Yeah, oh you're turning thirty six this year. Yeah, okay. 207 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.440 So he lived in Eliott, Manitoba, which is just outside 208 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.720 of Winnipeg. It's like thirty kilometers west. And this town 209 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:41.200 is like super small, Like I don't even know if 210 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.200 you can, I don't they have a specific name for 211 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.320 places that are this big. I'm not too sure what 212 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.600 it is. But the population was five hundred and sixty two. 213 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.159 Oh wow, it's really. 214 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.360 Sciny, like everyone there knows everybody. Yeah, I can't only 215 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.399 imagine how like how this hit home when people heard 216 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:56.120 of his password. 217 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:57.720 Yeah. 218 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.519 So Tim was like a super active person. He loved sports, 219 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.399 you know, adventuring and clearly being a carney traveling that 220 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.000 sort of stuff. He was obsessed with his motorcycles. If 221 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:07.840 you look up photos of him, often he's wearing like 222 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.440 an occ hat which is the Orange County Choppers. Yeah, 223 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.080 like you remember that show they had and everything? 224 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:13.039 Yeah, totally remember. 225 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.080 So, yeah, he was all into that, that sort of stuff. 226 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:16.080 He was. 227 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.360 He always loved like playing lighthearted pranks too. He was 228 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.279 very like a personal, happy kind of guy. 229 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:21.840 Oh he sounds wonderful. 230 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.080 Oh yeah, he was all around happy, made friends, super 231 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.679 easy and like his family actually even said, like I 232 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:30.360 believe it was his obituary even they said that he 233 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.440 was always saw the good in everyone. 234 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:34.240 Oh you read his obituary. 235 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:37.080 I did. Yes, I did quite a bit of digging, 236 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:37.840 I know, but that. 237 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:42.480 Just for some reason hit me. I don't know why. 238 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.159 He was a good guy. Like reading everything I could 239 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.679 and there, it was actually really hard to find information 240 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.559 on him specifically. But but what I did find he 241 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.559 seemed like he was an all around really good individual. Awesome, 242 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.240 and he actually he had a friend named Tiffany. Like 243 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.080 he made friends left, right and center. So he had 244 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.559 an abundance of friends. I'm sure but his friend Tiffany, 245 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.320 she was actually employed at the Red River Exhibition in Winnipeg, 246 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:07.360 and she told him like, hey, you know, like this 247 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.840 is a this is a dope place to work. You 248 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.919 should come work with me. And that's that's how he 249 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:12.159 got his job as a carney. 250 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:12.759 Okay. 251 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.159 And that now, this red River Exhibition, it was like 252 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.399 part of the Western carnival circuit. So, like I said, 253 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.200 they would travel over like into BC or Alberta doing 254 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:25.039 their carnival circuits all over the place. Right now, like 255 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.879 his charismas he's such a nice guy, easy going, easy 256 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:31.000 to talk to, natural carney, like right off the get go, 257 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.159 like he like thrived in this environment, like to the 258 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.320 point where he was making really good money. And he 259 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.200 was even running his own midway shows like quite shortly 260 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.120 after he joined. Okay, so I heard I another podcast 261 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.039 I listened to. I'm not I couldn't find how much 262 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:46.799 he was making, but they said that he was making 263 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.600 up to like a thousand dollars a week and in 264 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.559 two thousand and eight, Like that's that's that's a lot. 265 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:52.919 Like he's making good bag. 266 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.200 I didn't realize that they would make that kind of money. 267 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.120 I mean, clearly they were. I don't know how accurate 268 00:10:59.159 --> 00:10:59.639 that is, but. 269 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.720 That's what I heard. I do think carnies and stuff 270 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.000 back then were more popular than they are now. 271 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:08.480 Carnivals You mean carnies, Oh sorry, carnivals. Yeah, I mean carnees. 272 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.960 Have they ever really been that popular? They're not known 273 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.000 to be the nicest of folk. No, a little bit skeevee. 274 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:15.759 But by the sounds of it, like to be making 275 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:17.919 that much money in the Christmas he had, I'm pretty 276 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:22.279 sure he was definitely liked in the circuit. Yeah, so 277 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.559 he was. He was making good money, which great for him. 278 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.360 But I guess he was like he had a bit 279 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:29.679 of a party life, you know, so he was spending 280 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:31.480 it pretty much just as fast as he made so, 281 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.600 which would lead him to go on to the next carnival, 282 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.960 next carnival. You know, keep making that money. We all 283 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:37.960 do that. The higher money you make, the more you spend. 284 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:39.440 Oh yeah, you always spend what you have. 285 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.960 Oh easy, Hey, I found this extra fifty dollars in 286 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.159 my pocket. Let's let's go buy something that's dinner. Hey, 287 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:51.039 we should do that. Anyways, I'm always down for ordering dinner. Okay. 288 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:52.960 So by the end of July, two thousand and eight, 289 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:57.120 he worked his last carnival actually the Klondike Days in Edmonton, 290 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.360 some exhibition there. I didn't do my research on that one, 291 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.159 but some exhibition in Edmonton. That was his last carnie, 292 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.000 A carnival he worked because traveling all over Western Canada, 293 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.320 he fell in love with British Columbia and he wanted 294 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:10.200 to move over into BC. 295 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:11.840 Oh. I don't blame him. 296 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.200 Right, I mean it's gorgeous here. It's a beautiful British 297 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:15.399 Columbia for a reason. 298 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.440 Yeah, like I want to move, but I don't necessarily 299 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.159 want to move from Peach or from BC oh one 300 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:21.759 hundred percent. 301 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.720 I want to stay in BC. Yeah, for life, for lifers. 302 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.840 So yeah, he was not following the carnival to its 303 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.279 next stop, which was going to be in Regina, Saskatchewan. 304 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.879 He wanted to move to BC, but he was on 305 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:36.440 his way home to Winnipeg via bus, the Greyhound bus, 306 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.200 which was his preferred method of travel. I mean, as 307 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.440 a carnival worker, you're traveling bus all the time, right, 308 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:44.919 So that's what he's used to. There was reports of, 309 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.240 you know, people offering to help pitch in and get 310 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.000 him a plane ticket home. And he's like, no, no, 311 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.799 I'm good, take the bus. Oh no, and that bus 312 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.720 was number eleven seventy. 313 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.679 I hate when they had other options, right, It's like 314 00:12:57.799 --> 00:12:59.919 that they could have taken but they didn't. And then 315 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.720 and that's like their worst decision of their life. 316 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.360 Hindsight's twenty twenty. 317 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.279 Something could have happened to who knows, Maybe it was 318 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.600 just his time, right, like final destination. 319 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.279 Remember those movies, movies you don't go your you don't 320 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.279 go on the roller coaster ride and Carnival incident. Right 321 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.080 off the path of that movie, I just realize, you 322 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:20.720 don't go on the roller coaster ride, you don't die. 323 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:22.799 And then it's like, oh, you just you escape death. 324 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.600 You were supposed to die in there, that was your fate. 325 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.279 And then like death is chasing. 326 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.519 You up throughout the movie, you just die another way exactly. 327 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:30.720 So I mean, who knows, maybe that maybe that is 328 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.039 how life works. There's no one to say it is, yep. 329 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:38.720 So anyways, that's that's Tim. That's Unfortunately Tim was is 330 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:43.279 our victim. Vince Lee is the perpetrator in this case. 331 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.120 So I keep picking up my drink here. 332 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:49.159 Yeah, it's like you want to drink just have a drink. 333 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.200 It's good. It's a sour beer and I'm not even 334 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:53.120 much for sours. 335 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.360 Usually, but you like it. 336 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:59.120 I do good. So little background on Vince. Vince Lee 337 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:02.240 was a forty year old grint from Dangdong, China, I 338 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.679 mean two thousand and five. He was actually diagnosed with schizophrenia, 339 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:10.440 but he left that untreated, so he never took medication 340 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.799 for it. It was just kind of like that's that's that. 341 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:17.679 So you can be diagnosed with something and it's like 342 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:19.159 your choice to leave it untreated. 343 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.000 I mean, I'm sure in some cases, I'm not too 344 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:27.679 sure on how schizophrenia is. I mean, who's going to 345 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:29.240 really enforce you to take your medication? 346 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.440 True, when you're a grown person. 347 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:33.919 Like if you have arthritis and you're at home with 348 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.440 your earthritis medication, who's to say you're taking it. 349 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.960 There's a slight difference between that and schizophrenia. 350 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.320 Not necessarily, I mean yes and no. But I mean, 351 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.080 as of right now, there's no reason to assume that 352 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:51.320 he's a harmful individual to himself or even anyone else. 353 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:52.840 True. Yeah, he's just diagnosed. 354 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.399 Yeah, So Vince was actually going through some hard times. 355 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.159 He was like doing like job hopping, like medial type jobs, 356 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.039 like anything you can get, like minimum wage sort of thing. 357 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.440 He was currently working as a paper delivery guy person 358 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.720 a paper delivery job. I don't know exactly what the 359 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.200 job entailed, but it was a paper delivery job. That's 360 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:16.480 what I found, okay. And he he was on his 361 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.440 way from Edmonton to Winnipeg because he was going for 362 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.399 another job interview. He actually got time off his job 363 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:26.480 to go to another job interview, which I mean, good 364 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.399 on that boss. I can't imagine any boss that I've 365 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.799 ever had giving me time off for a job interview. 366 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.159 Well, maybe they didn't know it was for another job. 367 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.000 Maybe that's true. That's true. I never really thought of 368 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.679 it that way. Way to just like slander that boss, 369 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.080 be like he's not actually a good guy. 370 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:40.240 Yeah, maybe he's not. 371 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:46.039 And he Vince actually has been has been working in Edmonton. 372 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.279 He left his wife behind in Winnipeg. I believe his 373 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.440 wife's name was Anna. He left because you know, he's 374 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.399 going through hard times trying to find good jobs. He 375 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.840 left his wife behind in Winnipeg. Do not split up, 376 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.240 but he left her behind to go to work in Edmonton, 377 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.240 find better prospecs of jobs and everything, and eventually their 378 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.519 plan was Anna would move over to Edmonton with him. 379 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.440 But clearly since he's going back to Winnipeg for another 380 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.440 job interview, it's not working out. It's not going well. 381 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.120 So those guy's really on hard times, right. Yeah, So 382 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:19.240 before he left for Winnipeg, actually he went to a 383 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.960 local Canadian Tire And for those who are not familiar 384 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.879 with Canadian Entire, it's like a hardware automotive store. It's 385 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:28.639 like a it's like a wal Mart, but it's for 386 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.320 like you go there by parts or paint or. 387 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.679 Camp It's almost has lots of things. It has kitchen 388 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:36.440 stuff and furniture and stuff too. 389 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:39.440 Yeah, it does, it does, but it's it's really hard 390 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.600 to explain what it is. It is actually hard there's 391 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.440 no produce. You don't go there by groceries or clothes, 392 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:49.240 sporting goods, outdoor goods. There's automotive sections like it's that 393 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.320 kind of store. Yeah, so that's what Canadian Tire is. 394 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:54.000 And he went to Canadian Tire to buy himself a 395 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.799 large hunting knife. Now, the reason why I bought this 396 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.519 large hunting knife is because he said, God told him 397 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.119 your life is in danger. People will try and kill 398 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.400 you and you need protection. 399 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:08.880 Wow. 400 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.160 Right, So that's why he went to Canadian Tire to 401 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:14.680