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<v Speaker 1>Hello, I'm Walda cutting Hams, the Luna Modre pilot on

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<v Speaker 1>Apollo seven. Welcome to The Doctor Sky Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the exciting show

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<v Speaker 2>that you tell us you like so much, The Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Sky Show with great guests from the realms of astronomy, space, aviation,

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<v Speaker 2>in weather and celebrity guests in the mix. And first

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to thank our producer of the radio show,

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<v Speaker 2>The Doctor Sky Show, Richard Dugan of radio station k

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, the legacy of the Apollo era is

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<v Speaker 2>still very strong in the minds and hearts of so

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<v Speaker 2>many people, and yours truly recently had a wonderful opportunit

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<v Speaker 2>unity to speak, shake hands, and share stories and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to great stories from many of the United States members

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States Astronaut Corps and today leedies and

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<v Speaker 2>z I'm a very special guest, Alt Cunningham, an astronaut

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<v Speaker 2>on board Apollo seven, the first man test flight of

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<v Speaker 2>the Command Service Module. ALLO seven was the only man

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<v Speaker 2>to pollow mission. Launched on a Saturn one B rocket

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<v Speaker 2>and from Pad thirty four at Cape Kennedy, Allo seven

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<v Speaker 2>was the first man test of the Command and Service Module.

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<v Speaker 2>The crew orbited the Earth one hundred and sixty three

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<v Speaker 2>times and spend ten days and twenty hours in space.

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<v Speaker 2>Our special guest is a retired colonel the United States

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<v Speaker 2>Marine Corps Reserve retired. He is Walt Cunningham and the

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<v Speaker 2>author of a phenomenal book, legisds Onleman. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to know the inside story and scoop behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>of the space program, He's the author of The All

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<v Speaker 2>American Boys. Walt Cunningham, Welcome to the Doctor Sky Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you very much, and you've got to be

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<v Speaker 1>really bright because you've read my book.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sir, I'll tell you one thing, it's an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>time I'm in history when we talk about the legacy

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<v Speaker 2>of Apollo, and I'm honored to have you here on

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<v Speaker 2>this radio show today talking some specifics about a very

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<v Speaker 2>important mission. After a very sad time in the American

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<v Speaker 2>space program. This mission, of course, was scheduled to launch

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<v Speaker 2>as U Nurser back in February of nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but a tragic fire, of course, killed the crew of

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<v Speaker 2>Apollo Ion back in nineteen sixty seven. Welt Cunningham, talk

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<v Speaker 2>about your time in becoming an astronaut. If I'm correct

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<v Speaker 2>on this, you were NASA's second civilian astronaut. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, I was. But I got there kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a surprising way, even to me because at the time

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<v Speaker 1>that I applied, I guess the space program, the human

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<v Speaker 1>space program is going on for about three years. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you read my book, you know that I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the countdown for Alan Shepherd's liftoff, and after

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that, I decided that that was where I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go to next. At the time, I

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<v Speaker 1>was working on doctorate and physics and working at the

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<v Speaker 1>RAND Corporation out in Sentiment in California. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that I was a long shot, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had confidence and it was a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise find out that I actually made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's an amazing story, sir, because we know from

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<v Speaker 2>our side I'm a civilian. I don't fly anything, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they say in the radio and TV business, all

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<v Speaker 2>we do is fly at desk. But seriously, it's an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing feat to become one of America's astronauts. Tom Wolfe

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<v Speaker 2>of course, exemplified that in the great book and then

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<v Speaker 2>movie The Right Stuff, and it's you. I want people

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, Walt, this is more about the human side

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<v Speaker 2>of this part of the interview. You know, not everybody

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<v Speaker 2>can become an astronaut, and simply not everybody wants to

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<v Speaker 2>be one. So the rigors are becoming one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be not only one the best in

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<v Speaker 2>your class I could physically and also mentally, and that

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<v Speaker 2>today is a very tough challenge. It's going beyond the curve.

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<v Speaker 2>Describe that because I honored to listen to her. You'd

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<v Speaker 2>respond to.

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<v Speaker 1>That, well, I should say, the program and the requirements

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<v Speaker 1>to become part of the cruise in today's program, that

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<v Speaker 1>has all changed considerably, and it's not very popular to

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<v Speaker 1>point out the difference, but the requirements and the capabilities

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<v Speaker 1>of the individuals is different. Probably many of us when

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<v Speaker 1>I got there, there were thirty of us back in

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<v Speaker 1>those days, everybody was a fighter pilot. Most of them

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<v Speaker 1>are test pilots, and it took a certain kind of

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<v Speaker 1>personality and activity and experience to do it. Today it's

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<v Speaker 1>changed vastly. Most of them, I think, are probably not

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<v Speaker 1>fighter pilots or test pilots. Some of them are, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of civilians and you know, females and foreign

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<v Speaker 1>members of them, So the whole thing has changed. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel, and I'm sure that the way I

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<v Speaker 1>feel is the way that many of my associates from

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<v Speaker 1>those days feel, is that we feel fortunate to have

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<v Speaker 1>lived when we did, because it was a unique kind

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<v Speaker 1>of program back then, and we had a different attitude,

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<v Speaker 1>and we could get away with a different attitude that

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<v Speaker 1>today would probably not really be popular. And actually, of

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<v Speaker 1>the group that we had there all the way through

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<v Speaker 1>apollow we actually added we had thirty a group of

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<v Speaker 1>seven nine fourteen total thirty. By the time we flew

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<v Speaker 1>the first Apollo, we were down to twenty five lefts.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, five of them had already been died

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<v Speaker 1>off one way or another. So it took a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of attitude about it. You had to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>value of sticking your neck out a little to get ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had to have confidence in yourself. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>would say you had to be egotistical. Well, and the

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<v Speaker 1>squadrons that I've been in in good fighter pilots, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you would say it had a little bit of eagle,

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<v Speaker 1>but they then scluded themselves whenever they could also, So

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<v Speaker 1>that was what there was really difference about it in

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<v Speaker 1>those days. So at the time, it seemed like a

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<v Speaker 1>competition that I had come out okay in and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt capable and confident, even though I'm one of the

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<v Speaker 1>few people there that never knew any one of the

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<v Speaker 1>others until after I got there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an interesting story. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>joining us here on the Doctor Sky Show, a privilege

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<v Speaker 2>and honor as always to talk to the legacy of

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<v Speaker 2>American astronauts and those spacefarers that of course know so

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<v Speaker 2>much about the long struggle to get the space. Space

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<v Speaker 2>is not easy, it is hard, but these individuals that

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking today, Walt Cunningham lunar module pilot on Apollo

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<v Speaker 2>seven a long time ago, launched back in October October

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<v Speaker 2>the eleventh, nineteen sixty eight, on a fascinating rocket. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a big fan of rockets, Ladies and gentlemen. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not the Saturn five, but the Saturn one B,

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<v Speaker 2>which is proudly displayed at the Kennedy Space Center lying horizontal.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about that rocket if you would, because I've always

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<v Speaker 2>admired that rocket. It always looked awesome on that test

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<v Speaker 2>stand or their launch stand. It was kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a booster, like a step stool right before it went

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<v Speaker 2>off into space.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, at the time that we flew the first man

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<v Speaker 1>flight on the Saturn one B, excuse me, it was

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<v Speaker 1>awesome because it was the biggest rocket that we had

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<v Speaker 1>flown manned up until that time, and they had gone

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<v Speaker 1>to Actually, I think we had two tests on the

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they were unmanned, and then the Saturn fire course

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<v Speaker 1>was much bigger than that. But at the time it

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<v Speaker 1>was the biggest rocket that we had, bigger than anything

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<v Speaker 1>that the Russians had as well. But what we were

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<v Speaker 1>doing was trying to demonstrate politically and actively that we

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<v Speaker 1>exceeded the Russians. But the public today today, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not old enough, they probably don't realize that we started

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<v Speaker 1>off behind the Russians. The Russians launched the first man

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<v Speaker 1>in space, Yury Geran, one orbit around the Earth. Not

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<v Speaker 1>significant except that it was the first human that had

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<v Speaker 1>been actually in orbit around the Earth. Yes, there was

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<v Speaker 1>about ten months later that we finally got an American

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<v Speaker 1>who was a marine. There's the first marine to fly

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<v Speaker 1>and John went three orbits and re entered, had some

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<v Speaker 1>potential physical problems, but we made it back. At that point,

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<v Speaker 1>the Russians were ahead. The next thing we did, following

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<v Speaker 1>I think about four manned Mercury flights, we started what

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<v Speaker 1>we called the Gemity program, and on the Gemity program

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<v Speaker 1>that was there to fill the time between Mercury and

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<v Speaker 1>Apollo because Pollow they're already working on to develop the

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<v Speaker 1>hardware and they fly the missions to get manned to

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon. The Gemity program that came in there flew

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<v Speaker 1>of man missions for about two years. And what they

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<v Speaker 1>did is they really three areas. They showed that we

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<v Speaker 1>were moving. We moved ahead of the Russians right then.

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<v Speaker 1>That was an extra vehicular activity, rendezvous and docking. We

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well perfect them for a two man rocket. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time the Gemity program was over, we had moved

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of the Russians, and to this day, which is

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<v Speaker 1>almost you know, fifty years later, to this day, we

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<v Speaker 1>are still technically and operationally quite a bit better off

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<v Speaker 1>than the Russians.

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<v Speaker 2>Story, yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>In spite of that, we have been totally dependent on

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<v Speaker 1>to the space station, you know, for the last let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the last time we slew a manned here

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<v Speaker 2>General eleven, right with the last with the last suddle.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right, sir, absolutely, and yeah, time we told

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here we go pay the price eighty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>very tight. You essentially along for the ride because the

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<v Speaker 1>Russians they're mostly they're vehicles. They can fly unmanned, and

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<v Speaker 1>in an emergency one of them might have to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially it's not the same kind of operation that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been in. So I'm looking forward to just getting

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<v Speaker 1>back into the air again with some new rockets and

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<v Speaker 1>getting back to running our own missions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Cunningham of A. Paulo seven is our special guest

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<v Speaker 2>on The Doctor Sky Show. A legacy of interviews here

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<v Speaker 2>for the last ten years from great guests who talk

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<v Speaker 2>to talk and won't it from astronomy, space, aviation and weather.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you were mentioning the Gemini missions, sir, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading this and obviously this is something that I'm learning.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep learning about space every day like the listeners do.

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<v Speaker 2>Your mission Apollo seven was the first to carry a

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<v Speaker 2>crew into space since Geminy twelve back in nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course the sad loss which we pay homage

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<v Speaker 2>to on this show and every show that we do

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<v Speaker 2>talking about spacefarers Gristhomchafi and White Paris in that horrific

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<v Speaker 2>fire in Apollo one. But your mission, if we can

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<v Speaker 2>go into some technicals, was an Apollo C mission called

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<v Speaker 2>the new Block two Command Service Module. Obviously they had

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<v Speaker 2>to do what top to bottom, make changes to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that this spacecraft not only was safe, that the

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<v Speaker 2>non existent, and of course you had it what do

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<v Speaker 2>the check ride for this particular rocket the Command Service

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<v Speaker 2>module before the great Apollo eight mission to the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about the mission, because this is fascinating on your

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a pretty interesting story that the public

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<v Speaker 1>me taking the time, I'd like to bring that up

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<v Speaker 2>Please please do, sir. We want to hear it because.

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<v Speaker 1>We started the crew training. I mean, they've been working

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<v Speaker 1>but we started training his cruise during the last year

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<v Speaker 1>of the Geminy operations, and that was let's see sixty six.

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<v Speaker 1>At the beginning of sixty six. Of course, the public

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't aware of some of this because they weren't even

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<v Speaker 1>aware when we appointed Cruise. But the first crew that

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<v Speaker 1>they appointed was Gus Chris and Met White and Roger Chaffee. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when they signed our crews beginning sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>North American. We began trying to get that spacecraft that

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<v Speaker 1>where a about five or six months into that training,

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<v Speaker 1>they canceled our flight because we were the second man

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<v Speaker 1>Yet today did They were not too sure, but that

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that was our crew, but they assigned us

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<v Speaker 1>immediately to the backup crew for POLLA one because we

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<v Speaker 1>just those that were absolutely essential, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>on Apollo one, and that was in the last quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of the sixty six. Well, we're preparing for the launch

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<v Speaker 1>of Apollo one the first month or two of sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>It would not have been able to go at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>summer there wi same time, that was the end of January,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were performing a test on the command module

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<v Speaker 1>But that same test, the same test had been done

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<v Speaker 1>the night before, the afternoon before, and Wallashaw, Don Eisley

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<v Speaker 1>and I had performed the test then. But the test

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<v Speaker 1>but we were doing it with the hatch open, and

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<v Speaker 1>percent ouctionen in there. All of the missions up until

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<v Speaker 1>that time had had one hundred percent option. They flew

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<v Speaker 1>with flew the missions and that was just fine. But

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<v Speaker 1>doing that test on the ground, which the next day

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<v Speaker 1>to do that test. Sure, but in doing that you

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<v Speaker 1>were closed up inside the spacecraft hatch closed, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent auction, one hundred percent oxygen on the ground in

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<v Speaker 1>order to have the pressure inside the spacecraft. That meant

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<v Speaker 1>we operated one hundreercent auction in orbit, you're at five

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<v Speaker 1>pre Because that was funny, Loxton, to keep you alive

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<v Speaker 1>and keep the operations, Yes, sir. So when they ended

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<v Speaker 1>saturated any materials in there and with auction, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they had the fire, they couldn't get the hatch open,

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<v Speaker 2>Were so sad. That's so sad, sir. And I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me if I'm wrong on this, And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that in a bad way. It's just that we

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<v Speaker 2>were down at the Kennedy Space Center for a media

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<v Speaker 2>interview and we were given the tour and then someone

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<v Speaker 2>there said to us, we're going to take you to

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<v Speaker 2>an area that the public doesn't normally see. And I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready, and our cameraman and myself went. They told

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<v Speaker 2>us no pictures at the Air Force Launch ray station

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<v Speaker 2>because they had some kind of secret payload I guess there.

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<v Speaker 2>But we went over, sir, to the actual launch of

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<v Speaker 2>the Mercury, and we went to the Gemini stand, which

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<v Speaker 2>was all kind of all destroyed, I guess. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we went to the Apollo one test stand where the

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<v Speaker 2>small memorial is to the astronauts Grisom Chafe Point and

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<v Speaker 2>I bowed my head and stood there in silence like

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<v Speaker 2>so many people should. But that's so sad, sir, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're describing what that. There was this horrific fire in

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<v Speaker 2>which what everything in there was is literally laden and soaked,

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<v Speaker 2>and you couldn't get the doors open in time when

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<v Speaker 2>stament electrical right, That's very sad. So I was I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking that that was the spot right where they

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<v Speaker 2>have that test stands, the concrete test stan. They have

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing sacred site to talk about the Apollo aer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's that's why we lost on Wow, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all incredible. Yeah, and follow seven. The few people know

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<v Speaker 1>that the numbering of it back there, well we now

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<v Speaker 1>call Apollo one was because Gus Grissom and after he

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<v Speaker 1>was the fourth I think it was the fourth launch

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<v Speaker 1>of an Apollo command mount. It would have been, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Apollow four at the time. So by the time we flew,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we flew, it was amazing. It was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>amazing because we launched twenty one months later, and we

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<v Speaker 1>ending one of those got off afterwards, even though this

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of that. It was like, I think thirty

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<v Speaker 1>Another way, here we were one months after the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had paid one thousand and forty changes, most

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<v Speaker 1>of which you wouldn't think of, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>we launched. That was the seventh Apollo launch, I said Gustus,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and Roger. That would have been the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>follow launch the mission. At the time, we had done

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<v Speaker 1>your neck out a little bit there, Well, that's spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>Apollow seven it turned out, and even to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is amazing, folks, if you're listening to the show,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, and we thank you for doing so. The

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Sky Show always gets great guests. How about today's guest,

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<v Speaker 2>Old Cunningham, Lunar module pilot Apollo seven, talking and reminiscing

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<v Speaker 2>about the entire early Apollo program, his mission and Walt,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read something here to this audience. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what, you lived it. This also has some memorable

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<v Speaker 2>credits to the Apollo seven mission, the first three person

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<v Speaker 2>American space mission, the first live television broadcast from an

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<v Speaker 2>American spacecraft, and naturally, as we talk, the only man

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<v Speaker 2>launched from Launch Complex thirty four some one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three Earth orbits in some eleven days. You lived it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask you this, sir, what's it like

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<v Speaker 2>to ride the rocket the space because I imagine, like

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<v Speaker 2>many others, Wally Shira had a great love of four

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<v Speaker 2>gunt event in some many of the astronaut corps. He

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<v Speaker 2>when they placed people and they like yourselves into the

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<v Speaker 2>capsules in Apollo and beyond. But what's it like to

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<v Speaker 2>get into that particular cansul. It's not a very big environment.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's it like to be launched? What's that feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like we'll never experience in ourselves. We got to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to a guy who's done it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you, it's kind of tough to

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<v Speaker 1>because they always ask, oh, excuse me. They're always asking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, were you afraid? And of course I can't

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<v Speaker 1>speak for everybody, but I'm sure that almost everybody agrees

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<v Speaker 1>think we must have been crazy or that we're lying,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not the case. But fortunately, in those days

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<v Speaker 1>you had to be a fighter pilot and we'd all

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<v Speaker 1>been used to sticking our necks out. We knew that

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<v Speaker 1>first time back then, that you were at risk, but

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<v Speaker 1>we were used to that. It was part of our

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<v Speaker 1>launch itself went fine, and we were irritated about one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We were two and a half month, two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half minutes late on lift off because they had about

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<v Speaker 1>pressure up one more psi on one of our tanks.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what it was, so I can remember

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<v Speaker 1>us being irritated that we didn't get off at eleven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>It was eleven oh two and a half or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So the operational aspects of the way we

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<v Speaker 1>was looking forward to that. I can't speak for all

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<v Speaker 1>of the thirty we had in our programs at that

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw one that said he was or admitted

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<v Speaker 1>he was. We looked forward to make a success out

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and I have to tell you Apollo seven

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm hearing from other restaurnauts that the Gemini

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<v Speaker 2>riote to space was kind of bumpy and rough, but

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<v Speaker 2>this one on the centern one B describe it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you feel a slight impression, and then what eight and

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<v Speaker 2>a half or ten minutes later, you're in another environment

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<v Speaker 2>called weightlessness, if that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's kind of interesting, and the feeling you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but you see when you're in orbit, we're

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<v Speaker 1>right close to seventeen thousand, five hundred miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>You're lifting off. When you're lifting off, you're starting off

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<v Speaker 1>at zero, so it takes a coup several seconds before

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<v Speaker 1>you can get clear of the tower. And we were

429
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<v Speaker 1>about parts of it was maybe a foot away from

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<v Speaker 1>some of the support material down there. So uh, it

431
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<v Speaker 1>started off slow, slowly, we get by it and after

432
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<v Speaker 1>after a few seconds and we're clear of the tower.

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<v Speaker 1>We basically we're just we were long for the ride.

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<v Speaker 1>We were checking our systems, keeping in track of them,

435
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<v Speaker 1>and the ground on a lot of them, ground could

436
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<v Speaker 1>still read some of those systems. Yeah, you know, every

437
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<v Speaker 1>minute one of us one or the other would make

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<v Speaker 1>a ground check on the on the audio, uh by

439
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<v Speaker 1>time and then there's I think it was all over

440
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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes on the on the Saturn before the one

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<v Speaker 1>be before we got into over. But I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>anybody having a father of fear. And we kind of

443
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<v Speaker 1>breathed a sigh of relief when we staged after a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes and dropped the big booster off. Also

445
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<v Speaker 1>when we've got rid of the launch escape tower. They

446
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<v Speaker 1>did that before we staged the vehicle. Yes, it was

447
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<v Speaker 1>just it was an operational feeling that went really almost perfect.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Now I can't speak for everybody else, but for me,

449
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<v Speaker 1>I never felt any fear and I was just glad

450
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<v Speaker 1>to see how it was going.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Walt, this is an amazing story. We've got a

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<v Speaker 2>few moments left here and I want to jump join

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<v Speaker 2>in and have you join in. That is with us

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<v Speaker 2>and some questions on this. Obviously there was no lunar

455
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<v Speaker 2>module attached in this mission, as future missions to the

456
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<v Speaker 2>Moon of Foods required. You were docking with the S

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<v Speaker 2>four B. And this is interesting. It's kind of a

458
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<v Speaker 2>technical thing. I'm reading this that as that spoor B

459
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<v Speaker 2>was meant to do a rendezvous with simulating a lunar

460
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<v Speaker 2>module release out of that particular stage. Apparently one of

461
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<v Speaker 2>the big adapter panels never opened beyond the forty five

462
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<v Speaker 2>degree mark, so future missions I guess they had those jettison.

463
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<v Speaker 2>But that's an amazing thing. It's like doing a ballet

464
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<v Speaker 2>in space. I mean, how hard is it to really

465
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<v Speaker 2>run with something? It's not easy? Right, Let people know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you raised you? Is the question. A few minutes ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to mention it because I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>as a lunar module pilot and we had no lunar module.

469
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<v Speaker 1>We were in rth orbit, so they listed me as

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<v Speaker 1>a lunar module pilot. The same way in Apollo eight,

471
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<v Speaker 1>the right seat was Bill Anders and he was listening

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<v Speaker 1>as lunar mogic pilot. They had no lunar module because

473
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<v Speaker 1>the lunar module was running behind on its development and

474
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<v Speaker 1>it's testing. And what happened. We finally got it on

475
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<v Speaker 1>a poll of nine, got a lunar module, but we launched,

476
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<v Speaker 1>got into orbit. Did the separation went fine. We were

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to simulate a docking with the S four B,

478
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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately two things we didn't know. The first one

479
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<v Speaker 1>didn't bothers much. Was it was. It was kind of

480
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<v Speaker 1>drifting and moving, but we turned around one of the

481
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<v Speaker 1>panels that was supposed to they were all supposed to

482
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<v Speaker 1>have opened far enough so that he grew up close

483
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<v Speaker 1>to the target. We had no winner modular there, but

484
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<v Speaker 1>we had a target where it would have been for

485
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<v Speaker 1>us to dock, so we couldn't really do that. And

486
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<v Speaker 1>part of the fix after that, after our mission is

487
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<v Speaker 1>they fixed it so that all four of those pieces

488
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<v Speaker 1>of the of the S four B would blow off

489
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<v Speaker 1>completely as opposed to just open up like that, So

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good plus that came out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is we were in a spacecraft that

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<v Speaker 1>only then when Wahra was flying at that time and

493
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<v Speaker 1>he was maintaining position, he was flying formation kind of

494
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<v Speaker 1>on the S four B, and we were able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that we had enough fuel. Therefore it after that

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<v Speaker 1>for almost the whole time of the eleven days, we

497
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<v Speaker 1>were drifting. And we were drifting because it takes fuel

498
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<v Speaker 1>to control your attitude and to get to an attitude,

499
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<v Speaker 1>and we didn't have enough shool on board to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So most of the time you're pointing out into the

501
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<v Speaker 1>planetary you know, the system out there is the universe,

502
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<v Speaker 1>and occasionally you're looking at the Earth. Occasionally you can

503
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<v Speaker 1>take pictures. There's a lot of reasons why we couldn't

504
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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of pictures, but that's the way it

505
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<v Speaker 1>went after we got intolve it.

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<v Speaker 2>And also something important here a little on the technical side,

507
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<v Speaker 2>and you're the man to ask here. The main rocket

508
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<v Speaker 2>propulsion on the Command Service Module, the SPS engine, that

509
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<v Speaker 2>of course had to be tested naturally before any astronauts

510
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<v Speaker 2>were to go to the Moon. So I'm reading in

511
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<v Speaker 2>my own research here that apparently when they lit that engine,

512
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<v Speaker 2>it kind of gave a nice jolt. Is that fair

513
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<v Speaker 2>to say? Or a might be putting that mind way

514
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<v Speaker 2>when they first showed that SPS to the power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that the engine did give you a joel. We

516
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<v Speaker 1>were expecting it, we were prepared for it. In fact,

517
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<v Speaker 1>during our mission we fired that engine eight times. The

518
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<v Speaker 1>shortest one was just a couple of seconds to see

519
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<v Speaker 1>if you can do that, and then we had I

520
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<v Speaker 1>think one was over a minute. On that it felt good.

521
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<v Speaker 1>We felt like we were moving, like we were for

522
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<v Speaker 1>a change, and you could feel your back against the

523
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<v Speaker 1>against the couch that our spacecraft was running so well

524
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<v Speaker 1>that they added after we launched, they added four different

525
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<v Speaker 1>mission objectives to it, two of which we never could

526
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<v Speaker 1>get done. So when we got back they called it

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<v Speaker 1>one percent successful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, and that paved the way, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>In our interview today with astronaut of Apollo subn Walt Cunningham,

530
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<v Speaker 2>to get the next crew paulow eight, to do the

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<v Speaker 2>circumnavigation of the Moon, most memorable time in history, but

532
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Without you, guys, we would never see this great success

533
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<v Speaker 2>moving forward into all the astronauts, we want to thank you.

534
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<v Speaker 2>Just a couple of quick closing comments here and hear

535
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<v Speaker 2>your response on the more impersonal side. You, of course

536
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<v Speaker 2>and the crew were invited by President Lyndon Johnson into

537
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<v Speaker 2>ceremony on November two, nineteen sixty eight. Unfortunately, at the time,

538
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<v Speaker 2>and this is interesting, all these Apollo crews were given

539
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<v Speaker 2>to Distinguished Service Medal. Your crew was then given it

540
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<v Speaker 2>later in time in the year two thousand and eight.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Why I'm mentioning this is because you deserved it, just

542
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<v Speaker 2>like the rest of those guys and people who's supported

543
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<v Speaker 2>the program. And then on November sixth of that same year,

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<v Speaker 2>you appear on the Bob Hope Show with Barbara Eden

545
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<v Speaker 2>of I Dream of Genie. That's to me awesome. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of stories behind the stories. So well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was it like to meet President Johnson on the ranch?

548
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<v Speaker 2>That must have been pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not too far away from Flores Leaver Station

550
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<v Speaker 1>down here, it's on a number of casions. He was

551
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<v Speaker 1>actually a very nice guy, and we did have afterwards,

552
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<v Speaker 1>we had the press conference and the medals presented there

553
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<v Speaker 1>at the ranch, that Johnson ranch. He was very hospitable.

554
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<v Speaker 1>In fact, when we flew into there, he took us

555
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<v Speaker 1>in his car and he drove us around his rants

556
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<v Speaker 1>a little before we got started the other question you

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<v Speaker 1>asked me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was saying, you also appeared on the Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Hope Show with Barbara.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see what happened that? Occasionally people might know

563
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<v Speaker 1>I've got an Emmy sitting out right near my front

564
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<v Speaker 1>door here where I live, and nobody ever even asks

565
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<v Speaker 1>about it. But we had the first live television from space,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was some fuss over that between Wally and

567
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<v Speaker 1>the ground and there were several other columns. When we

568
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<v Speaker 1>got into orbit, Wally got a cold, and well, the

569
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<v Speaker 1>public out there thinks that we all had a cold,

570
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<v Speaker 1>not the case. I never had a cold. I think

571
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<v Speaker 1>I actually coughed once or twice. And he didn't have

572
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<v Speaker 1>a cold either, So it's kind of strange. But Wally

573
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<v Speaker 1>was operating in a slightly different philosophy than we were.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you why. Just Wally in the ground,

575
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<v Speaker 1>White was insistent he was in command of the mission,

576
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<v Speaker 1>and that's because his father had been an admiral and

577
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<v Speaker 1>his grandfather had been an admiral, and Wally said that

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<v Speaker 1>whoever's in charge of the ship was in control of

579
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<v Speaker 1>that ship, wasn't the people outside from the ship. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's basically established a kind of a negative feeling from

581
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<v Speaker 1>the Missigan control people. So they did later many years later, actually,

582
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<v Speaker 1>I learned that they tried. They turned off just moving

583
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<v Speaker 1>that crew, but I went on into I had already

584
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<v Speaker 1>scheduled to go in to the the for our first

585
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<v Speaker 1>space station to up there. So for about two years

586
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I was running that and I was scheduled to fly

587
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<v Speaker 1>that one until Pete Conrad, who had love seniority to me,

588
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<v Speaker 1>and he decided to stay and he came in charge,

589
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was very, very one of the most capable

590
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>people that I knew in the program down here. So

591
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<v Speaker 1>I ended up going out and making a living instead

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<v Speaker 1>of hanging around and just being a backup that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I want to thank you. We're almost out

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<v Speaker 2>of time here, but stay on the line after we

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<v Speaker 2>do say thank you and goodbye for now. But ladies

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<v Speaker 2>and gentlemen, amazing stories. These are the best stories, in

597
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<v Speaker 2>doctor Sky's opinion, those that served their country in the military,

598
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<v Speaker 2>those that of course, moved on to the special right

599
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<v Speaker 2>stuff category. Not everybody should do it, not everybody would

600
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<v Speaker 2>do it. But today's special guest Walt Cunningham. He is

601
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<v Speaker 2>the lunar module pilot of a future mission that they

602
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<v Speaker 2>talked about that it actually happened, Apollo seven, paving the

603
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<v Speaker 2>way for astronauts to make it to the Moon. A

604
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.639
<v Speaker 2>most amazing story. And read his book, It's the All

605
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>American Boys, A great book, ladies and gentlemen. This particular

606
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>man goes into history books as one of the great

607
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<v Speaker 2>American astronauts. He was also the book contributor and also

608
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<v Speaker 2>a big contributor to the In the Shadow of the

609
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Moon Chairman of the Texas Aerospace Commission, and rightfully so,

610
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<v Speaker 2>given NASA's Distinguished Service Medal and NASA's Exceptional Service Medal,

611
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<v Speaker 2>and to all the astronauts out there, we pay homage

612
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<v Speaker 2>today everybody listening to those that perished Apollow one astronauts

613
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<v Speaker 2>or some Chaffey in White and many other astronauts that

614
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>gave their lives not only here in America but around

615
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the world to move on to the last final frontiers

616
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>they talk about in Star Trek. But seriously, folks, the

617
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<v Speaker 2>Latin phrase add Astra to the stars is what we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. I want to say again, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much Walt Cunningham for joining us. I hope we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk again and share more episodes this epic journey. Some

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<v Speaker 2>eleven days in space, ladies and gentlemen testing out all

622
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<v Speaker 2>the fine features. Like if you had a brand new

623
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<v Speaker 2>car and it was about to be putt into mass production.

624
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<v Speaker 2>These are the gentlemen that made sure that everything worked,

625
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<v Speaker 2>from the wiper blades to the engine and making sure

626
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<v Speaker 2>that the key turned and the engine went when it

627
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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to. Thank you so much, Walt Cunningham of

628
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<v Speaker 2>Apollo seven. I'm doctor Sky, thanking each and every one

629
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<v Speaker 2>of you for listening to this legacy as you call

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<v Speaker 2>it here for over ten years with our producer extraordinaiy

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Dugan of radio station KZSB. That's AM twelve ninety

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<v Speaker 2>in Santa Barbara, California, stay on the line with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Walt Cunningham, thank you so much for your service to

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<v Speaker 2>America as a United States Marine Corps Colonel in the

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<v Speaker 2>Reserves retired. We salute your service, sir, to the United

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<v Speaker 2>States of remark.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Doctor Sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you sir