Speaker 1: All right, you're a strutum.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, man.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for the opportunity and I'm looking
forward to have a good conversation with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm likewise, I always enjoy talking to you
South Africans. You are even among your countrymen, particularly impressive.
You can highly recommend it. So if you could describe
who are you and what do you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if there are some of your some of
your viewers who haven't heard of the community of Urania.
I think South Africa has been in the limelight in
the past few years, especially with the American interest growing
into South Africa and South Africans again Africanas specifically. But
the truth is that the challenges that we are facing
today in South Africa is not something that is all
that new. It's something that anyone who were willing and
able to try and look into the future and try
to predict certain things could see quite a few years back.
To an extent that the founders of this project is community. Okay,
So Urania is a very specific community and that is
a community that already in the nineteen eighties started in
terms of ideological context and it was people who said
they see that change is coming, and that change is
going to be possibly catastrophic for Africaners as a group,
as a nation, as a people what we call in
Africans a folk, to survive, and in order to survive
what is coming, it's not enough to just be pragmatic.
You need to establish something lasting. You need to actually
go out and do some trioch and establish something before
the worst happens. And there is a set of let's say,
rules that they created in terms of what is necessary
for us as a people to survive. And that is
what the effort is. It is an effort of the
both the survivability of a people as well as the
freedom of a people. And our argument broadly could be
described as what must we change about ourselves, what must
be sacrificed, what must we set as non negotiable rules
for the next generations to thrive. So in the nineteen eighties,
already before major political change happened in South Africa, these
people said, okay, what we need to do is if
we want to survive, there's only one way, and that
is to be a demographic majority in an area. If
that is the conclusion, then there are certain requirements, most
important probably being the idea of own labor, and I
think we can maybe discuss that in lengths later in
this conversation, because that is the most cardinal policy of Urania.
That is the most necessary thing in terms of Urania's
survival and we as a people survival. So we said,
we need our own piece of land. On that we
must build own institutions, and that must all be done
with our own labor, and that is the way forward.
Urania has been established ideologically in nineteen eighty eight, physically
in nineteen ninety one when land was purchased, and ever
since then the big and daunting task of actually bowlding institutions,
erecting infrastructure and continuing a life year in this part
of the country has been a very interesting journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so several things there. One, you describe the sort
of forward looking nature of it, right, the idea that
this that there was this negative event coming over the horizon.
I have your countrymen on quite regularly. But just for
the sake of the argument, was that prediction correct? Right?
What did you know the people who founded the c
coming and what is life like in the rest of
South Africa? I understand that a lot of the coverage
is over the top, you know, particularly from shall we say,
you know, American and Canadian influencers. I'll leave it at that,
but were they correct in that gas?
Speaker 2: I think there are a few arguments to be made,
but in general, for the African people, there's two specific
things to look at. One is his standard of living, safety,
security and so on, which declined general public services, ability
to integrate into the general public life, which which happened
to now be a dangerous inserviceable are many things that
I think you your viewers possibly can't even comprehend that
the lack of service delivery, thrash piling up in the streets,
rolling blackouts, you know, many negative things. But even that
is not the main factor for me, and it's not
the main factor for can I say the true believers
of Arana, the people who believe in this idea and
the solution, the truth thing. The true issue is a
loss of freedom. The loss of freedom and the loss
of the ability to craft your own future that goes
with it. It is bad to live in dire economic circumstances.
It's dire. It's bad to have opportunities taken away from you.
It is bad to have the risk of being murdered
or being raped or being robbed constantly. And it is
bad when the streets of South Africa are overflowing with
sewage and things like that. Obviously, they are still some
islands of excellence and we can also speak about that maybe,
but in general there's a lot of decline in regards
to infrastructure. What is worse than all those things, Arguably
one of the worst fates they could possibly be is
to not be in control of your own future, not
having the opportunity to take the responsibility to be in
a certain extent, to be someone sitting on the bench,
not participating, to be just someone in the crowd looking
as other players play out the game. That is your
future and the future of your children and the future
of your people. That is a worse fate than just
having bad civice delivery or insecure environment. And that is
to somewhat our collective fate. It's not necessarily our individual
faith right, So individually South Africans Africanas still have opportunities
in the country, don't I don't deny that. I also
think that they still have international opportunities. Many of them
immigrate and go seek on an individual basis, they go
and seek better time. On the individual basis, they go
and they say, listen, eighteen murders per day in a
country is just not normal. We need to get out
of here. Far murders and the brutality that goes with
it's not normal. We need to get out of here.
The fact that therese one hundred and forty plus laws
based on race is bad. I need to get out
of here. Or the fact that in the heights of
load shedding, which is somewhat better now, but in the
heights of load shedding when we had up to twelve
hours without electricity a day, is so bad that I
would rather go to Australia, Canada, America, Britain wherever. That
is an individual choice, and it's good and people should
have their choice, as they should have the choice to
now take up the American President Donald Trump's offer to
immigrate to the United States as refugees. They should have
those options. Those are individual options. Those are choices that
individual or an individual family or an individual couple and
make and they can go look for a very future.
If that, if individualism was all there is to life.
These sample opportunities in Southern Africa, South Africa and its
neighboring countries as well as the is of the world,
especially the West. But that is not what we are
looking for. That is not what we want. It's not
what we dream of and it's not what we want
to achieve in South Africa. It is possible to buy
yourself quite a luxurious lifestyle, even even to some extent
a safe lifestyle by privatizing service delivery and paying on
top of your tax. Is just much more to privatize
your security, to privatize your water, to privatize your electricity
and so on, and just leve behind big walls and
go out to certain areas and still have a good
and luxurious life. It is possible. Those are individual solutions,
as is refugee status in the US or immigration to
the anglosphere. In general. What we are looking and it's
one of the things that people must understand about Urania.
That's not what we are looking for. We want a
public life, We want our language to flourish in a
collective scenes. We want our people to flourish in terms
of their religion, in terms of their values, in terms
of what they believe in a collective scenes, not only
in individual scenes. There must be public spaces that are
Africaner Christian spaces. If you don't have that, you just
have an individual, privatized future for yourself. And it's not
necessarily selfish. It can be selfish, but that's not our
end goal. We want to make an area that is free,
that is that is that is Africaner and that is
Christian and that we can live and thrive on. If
there is no public schools where your language and your
religion has been put first, if there are no public
spaces where your children can plain their own languages, if
there are no higher education, university level education, and public
churches where those things can thrive, then you might have
an individualized few, but you don't have a future photo people.
And that is the key, in my opinion, for the
success of pot Anya and what we want to do
and what we want to achieve.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the immigration, and you know, as an American,
I'm of two minds about it. One we have quite
a lot of immigration to my country, and if you know,
more of them were people like you and yours, I'd
be quite happy about that. Right given the you know,
given the system as it is, but at the same
time I see that being sort of a path to
cultural annihilation. Right you have people who move out of
a community based off of that you know, common ancestry,
that language, that culture. And okay, sure there may be
a neighborhood that's you know, forty fifty seventy percent South African,
but the schools those children will go to will be
Westernized for good or frail. You know, they will be Americans,
they will be Brits, they will be Australians in a
generation or two. And so I understand that that is
an individually rational decision. You might well live better in
Melbourne than you could and you know that some city
in South Africa, and so individually that makes a great
deal of sense. But when we look at this collectively,
right you you know, whoever this is, as a like
a bearer of culture, someone who is part of something
bigger than themselves, many of those individual rational decisions, well
they don't look so rational anymore. And this is something
I think that you know, many Westerners, particularly western angles,
have a hard time with this idea of viewing themselves
as a part of a collective. Obviously, this is not
necessarily what I brought you on to talk about. But
I'm curious if you have any thoughts about that transition
from viewing yourself as you know, simply one guy, maybe
your family too, as part of a culture, and if
you could explain, do you think that being a minority
group has something to do with that view?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, that's an interesting question. Let's start. I
want to start by stating the following very important announcement
though me specifically, but Africanders in general aren't that well
in English. If we were to, you know, in terms
of English language skills, if we were to immigrate to
the United States, for example, Minnesota and open a preschool,
we would spell it learning center. So that would be
a net positive for the United States in my opinion,
even though we have our handicaps.
Speaker 1: That's me true, I would say that's sort of damning
by fate praise right, grading yourself on that scale.
Speaker 2: Right. So no, But on a more serious note, and
the reason why I said that is, I think africanash
moving to Australia, the US, England, Canada, they make fantastic Americans,
they make fantastic Australians, they make they make great Candy's
people and and and I see some of my former
classmates or university friends. I see them on social media
and I see that they are now celebrating Australia Day.
They are celebrating in America the fourth of July, and
they are giving it there all. They want to be patriots.
They they they immediately adapt to their new host country
and they try to be the best possible Americans that
they can be.