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Welcome to Typical Skeptic Podcasts. Hey guys, 22 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.359 welcome back to another episode of the Typical Skeptic Podcast. 23 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.159 I'm really excited about my guest today. This is the 24 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.919 second time he's been on my show and we had 25 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:16.199 with us Thomas Ferrario. He was a former moofon director 26 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:20.159 and he's been a UFO researcher for over sixty years 27 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.919 investigating high strangeness in the phenomena. I actually wrote something 28 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.120 about it. I rect tonight on the Typical Skeptic Podcast 29 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.879 twenty seven fifty one. I welcome veteran UFO investigator Thomas 30 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.280 Ferarrio for a deep deep dive into the one of 31 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:37.759 the strangest locations in American UFO and paranormal research, Marley Woods. 32 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.520 Thomas has been involved in UFO research going back to 33 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.960 nineteen sixty nine. His background includes serving as a Missouri 34 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.840 MOOFON Assistant State Director, co founding the Moofon dive team, 35 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:53.159 and working alongside legendary physical trace researcher Ted Phillips. Thomas 36 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:56.919 became involved in Phillips research into Marley Woods, a privately 37 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.080 investigated area in Missouri associated by researchers and went This 38 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:05.560 has reports of unusual lights, UFO activity, strange creatures, paranormal phenomena, 39 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.599 and other forms of high strangeness. Tonight, We're going to 40 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.800 dive deep into the history of these investigations and be 41 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.280 asking Thomas, what do you believes what might actually be 42 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.919 happening there. So tonight we'll explore the mystery of Marley Woods, 43 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:22.400 UFOs and unexplained lights, Thomas's decades and investigating the phenomena 44 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:26.240 his work with Ted Phillips, move on portals, vortices and 45 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:32.120 possible interdimensional phenomena, cryptids, the Tetra Mountain Project, physical evidence 46 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.840 versus eyewitness testimony, and what Thomas believes after more than 47 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:39.479 fifty years of research and all that. And I'm really 48 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:41.479 excited to have him here. I'm gonna bring him to 49 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.560 the stage now, Thomas, thanks so much for coming back on. 50 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:45.039 How are you. 51 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.719 It's good. I'm doing good. It's good to be anywhere 52 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:50.800 right now. I will tell you then, I'm glad to 53 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:51.360 be back. 54 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:52.960 On Rob Yeah. 55 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:53.360 Yeah. 56 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:55.879 So for the people who might not be familiar with you, 57 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:57.599 tell them a little bit about yourself. 58 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.000 It's a long history. I've been in it more and 59 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.879 I'd like to admit now I started. I grew up 60 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.400 in a rural area, and in a rural area back 61 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.879 in the day UFOs wasn't the type of thing people 62 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.240 went around sharing with their neighbors. But I had family 63 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.720 experiences in myself and I got to be a trusted individual, 64 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.360 go to guy, and they knew I wouldn't ridicule them, 65 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.600 which working with one of my mentors, Ted Phillips, I 66 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.959 learned that ridicule is not part of the scientific process. 67 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.680 So I will tell you that I had so many 68 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:38.879 people in my little area come to me tell me 69 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.920 things they wouldn't even share with their family that I 70 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.199 felt an obligation to go forward and get some proper training. 71 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:48.879 And one day, just out of a whim, I tried 72 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.240 to call Walt Andrews, one of the founders of the 73 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:55.480 Mutual UFO network, which was founded in Missouri, by the way, 74 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.120 and I got through to him, and I thought I 75 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.399 impressed the man with my knowledge, and it turned out 76 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.079 I was just a back door for I found out 77 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.519 through Mutual ufhone network and another one of my mentors 78 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.680 that Project blue Book had been in my area and 79 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.959 did actually did some of the cases that I was 80 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.279 looking into. So Walt kind of used me at first 81 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.720 as a back door to get some information, and I 82 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.759 didn't impress him at all. In the beginning, he just 83 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:28.720 wanted to pump me for some information and he connected 84 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.480 me with Bruce Whiteman, the first appointed state director for 85 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.279 the mutual ufhone network in Saint Louis, Missouri, and Bruce 86 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.680 and I got to be great friends, and through him 87 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.720 I helped him with conferences, was assistant state director for 88 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:47.160 a while, and Bruce assigned me to a gentleman named 89 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:52.839 James Cross, retired US Air Force captain and fought in Korea. 90 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:57.560 Flew in Korea, and I worked two years under Jim's expertise, 91 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:02.199 So that's basically my and I met Ted Phillips through 92 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.879 a conference. I always followed Ted and working with Bruce, 93 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:11.399 Bruce Adam and several conferences in Saint Louis, and I 94 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.560 offered Ted my services one time as an electrician and 95 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.240 at the time I was going back to school to 96 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.480 become an electrical engineer and and Ted picked me up 97 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:21.959 on that and he said, well, let me see what 98 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:25.800 you got Tom, and invited me out to his key project, 99 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.120 Marley Woods, and and that's more or less that's my story. 100 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.319 And through Ted Phillips, I met all the top names 101 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.439 in the field and got to work with him I'll 102 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:40.240 tell you Stanton Freeman, uh, Jacques Valet, Douglas Trumbull, uh 103 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.480 Ray Stanford, and it goes on and on. But uh, 104 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:49.319 but that's my background and uh, that's where I come from. 105 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.319 That's cool. Yeah, And and what what drew you know? 106 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.839 Marley Woods? What made you start for start of investigating that? 107 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:56.959 Uh? 108 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:03.959 I probably started in Mary and probably two thousand was 109 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.800 my first. Two thousand and one was my first trip 110 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:10.959 out there with Ted and uh we formed a friendship 111 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.079 over the years and uh we Ted formed SIU team 112 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:21.639 Special Investigations Unit with five people originally and it was 113 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:24.439 an experience. I'll tell you that the five of us 114 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:28.519 out there, I never thought we'd we put ourselves into 115 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.360 that position. And and you know, I could go in 116 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.360 just a little bit about Marley Woods. 117 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.759 If you like, just to Yeah, I'd love to know 118 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.639 what's going on there, like what are people reporting seeing 119 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:39.120 and stuff? 120 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:46.040 Uh It Marley Woods is a thirty two sites, site 121 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:49.560 one and two. Site one is about seven hundred acres. 122 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.560 Site two is about thirteen hundred acres. So that's a 123 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.639 lot of real estate for five people at the most. Yeah, 124 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.600 but what's going on out there? I will tell you 125 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.519 is if you're if you follow Skinwalker now, and I 126 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.439 will tell you in the beginning we were connected. I 127 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:09.839 can talk about it now with Robert Bigelow worked with 128 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.160 us and the original owner of Skinwalker Ranch and and 129 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.480 I have worked with the producers of Skinwalker, and we 130 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.839 were going to do some feature a couple of specials 131 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.560 out at Marley and it didn't work out through I 132 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.040 can go into later why it didn't work out, but uh, 133 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.720 but Marley Woods has cryptid activity, a structured craft unseen force, 134 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.440 microwave activity, and that seems to be the bad guy 135 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:42.600 that injures people. Uh, cattle mutilation, harsh mutilation, dear mutilation, 136 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.600 you name it. Uh. So it just goes on and 137 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:49.240 on from that, and uh, it's it's just a unique 138 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.440 place like skin Walker. And I can tell you that 139 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.039 Jacques Valet spent. 140 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:55.519 Time with us. 141 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.159 He was a good friend of Ted. And that goes 142 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:02.200 back to Ted Phillips days when Ted worked for Professor 143 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.679 Allen Heinik, which I'm sure you're probably familiar. 144 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.679 Yeah, and Ted was ondoing. 145 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:14.200 The field trace research cases physical trace and Jock did 146 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:18.440 the original software writing for him. And so you had 147 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.480 those three individuals and I will tell you that through that, 148 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.759 Ted invited Jock out to Marley Woods and he spent time. 149 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.399 But Jock said that he felt that Marley had a 150 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:38.120 higher probability for high strangeness cases than Skinwalker. Now that's 151 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.039 saying quite a bit because he wrote the book on Skinwalker. 152 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.519 So yeah, but and he had some experiences out there. 153 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.320 I will tell you at this point, I'd just like 154 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.919 to urge people. I have a YouTube channel. Just google 155 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:57.399 my name on YouTube. You'll find my YouTube channel. I 156 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.639 have a lot of free it's all free, about thirty 157 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:04.080 forty movies on there. I actually had one interview. I 158 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:09.000 interviewed Jock Vla from out there, and he speaks about 159 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.600 his time in Marley and what happened to him out there, 160 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.000 what he experienced. So I urged people to see that. 161 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:19.000 And like I always say, don't don't believe me, just research, 162 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.039 do the research and look into everything I say. Prove 163 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.519 it's true. And I urge people to do. They don't 164 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.440 believe anybody unless you do your own research. So, but 165 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.279 we had structured craft everything. 166 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.279 Wow, struck. When when you say structured craft, what do 167 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.600 you mean like like a like a like a physical 168 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.039 sighting of like UFO. 169 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:43.279 Craft like, yeah, yeah, classic twenty foot thirty foot disc 170 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.519 put down three impressions in the ground. Of course, Ted 171 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.080 being the expert, he did compaction tests with a tool 172 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:57.399 figured these things twenty thirty foot discs approximately weighed something 173 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:01.840 in the range of twenty thousand, So you're dealing with 174 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.399 a great deal of mass there. And contrary to people's beliefs, 175 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.639 you know that these things are light. The outer skin 176 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:14.240 is made up of materials that are extraordinarily light, but 177 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.000 the propulsion system is made up of elements that are 178 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.919 extremely dense and heavy, and some of the elements that 179 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:28.279 it requires the anti gravitational propulsion, is extremely heavy. And yes, 180 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.639 we do have pieces of this debris and craft the 181 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:36.919 government has, I will tell you, But on contrary to 182 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.639 popular belief, it is absolutely you're dealing with elements that 183 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.840 are three times heavier than lead, and the conductive properties 184 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.320 of it is anywhere from one hundred to two hundred 185 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.879 times that of gold, which is one of our best 186 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:56.039 conductors unless you use cryogenics. So people ask, if we 187 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.200 have that technology, why don't we have a fleet of 188 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:02.000 these things. I can go into that later. But one 189 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.759 of the elements that is in the craft is not 190 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.720 on this side of the dimensional boundary, and that's a science. 191 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.240 We can go into the night and I speak about 192 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.279 now we're coming into that realm that time. But that 193 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:17.600 is what they dealt with in Marley, the in the 194 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:23.799 structured craft and cryptid activity you name. It's it's parallel 195 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:29.240 to Skinwalker and surpasses that in many ways. And we've 196 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:34.360 had an abduction, We've had just traumatic experience. We've had 197 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:38.720 injuries due to microwave energy. The property owners have had it, 198 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:39.799 ted had it. 199 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:40.360 I have it. 200 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.200 I live with it to this day. Injuries. So it 201 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.080 is the real deal. And I will tell you they're 202 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.120 coming into that realm now at Marley that in Skinwalker 203 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.799 that we dealt with in Marlee. They're going they're looking 204 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.600 at microwave energy as the bad guy, just as we 205 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:01.679 came up with a conclusion in Marley. Uh So it's 206 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.480 very real. It's dangerous and uh, I urge people. You know, 207 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.559 when you go out after these things. It seems like 208 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:11.519 a good pastime at first, but if you get into 209 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.639 a real location, a situation, it can be dangerous. So 210 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:17.720 always have that in the back of your mind. 211 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.720 Yeah, A couple of things you do you touched on 212 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:25.080 the propulsion of the craft and like like, why we 213 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.240 don't have a fleet of them, Like, do you think 214 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:29.639 it's it's Do you think it's interdimensional? Do you think 215 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.919 it's like these beings are coming from another dimension and 216 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.639 coming here to visit us. I absolutely do. 217 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.879 And I say that with the background of seeing guys 218 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.879 far but my pay grade. We did experiments. They did 219 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.440 experiments at Skinwalker in the early days to prove that 220 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:53.399 a lot of this craft and it was interdimensional, and 221 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:59.679 uh as Alan Heinik approved. Uh and it absolutely is interdimensional. 222 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.519 The beans that come across. And believe me, when I 223 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.039 was in the mutual UFO network, I was taught we 224 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:07.840 had our manual to go out in the field with. 225 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.440 At that time, I will tell you I call them 226 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:16.360 the journal had thirty one different I call them flavors 227 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:21.200 or species of aliens at that time. Log that from 228 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:26.399 eyewitness accounts. I now when I say that, I'm saying 229 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.960 that when they're come across the interdimensional boundary in that form, 230 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.679 they're absolutely as flesh and blood and real as you 231 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:38.279 and I. They physical trace, that is the shape they take. 232 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:40.279 But there. 233 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:42.919 If they're playing a. 234 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.600 Trick on us, the interdimensional beings, the true beans that 235 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.639 are here back behind it all that use all the automatons, 236 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.039 and it's like we're finding out now it's easier to 237 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.840 grow a robot than to make one. Biologics are the 238 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:02.000 best robots. They use them to come in to do 239 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:06.080 their bidding and they're out. But the true interdimensional beings 240 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.679 are exactly look like you and I do. They're the 241 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.159 full pattern. If you'd see them in a crowd, you 242 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.679 wouldn't know them any different besides their medical features. Unless 243 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:20.639 you do a background on it, a medical check, the 244 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.840 absolutely would appear to be us. And I do know 245 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.440 from research with these people that they have been in 246 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.840 our labs, in our high tech labs, working for going 247 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:37.720 on now almost forty seven forty eight years. And when 248 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:42.440 they come across like I say that their interdimensional beings 249 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.799 can take in whatever shape and form they want. And 250 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.039 I have to go into the movie, which I did 251 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.759 like it touched upon a lot of things. Disclosure Day 252 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.000 was an excellent movie. I liked it. I felt they 253 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.120 had some inaccuracies in it, and they could have went 254 00:15:58.159 --> 00:15:59.120 a lot farther. 255 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:00.000 Yeah. 256 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.000 Yeah, the biggest thing I'd like to just draw upon 257 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.240 the night about that movie. They like to leave you 258 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.120 in that movie at the end with a warm and 259 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:13.600 fuzzy feeling that these things, intertermentional beings are here to 260 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:19.960 help us. They like to leave. Even abductions, it turns 261 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.320 out well for the people abducted. They're here for our benefit. 262 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:26.519 And I will tell you it is everything, but that 263 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:31.360 in reality they're not here. They're Our welfare is not 264 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:36.080 their motivation, and there are terrible things done. When I 265 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:40.000 worked with Mutual You off on network, I actually I 266 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.919 was asked to do the filming. I sat in on 267 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:49.159 hypnotic regression on probably five different individuals on that had 268 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.960 been abducted, and one case it was a pair of 269 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.840 twin brothers that were in their eighties when we did 270 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:00.159 the regression. But we did one on a woman that 271 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:05.359 had a fetus actually taken from her and no inductions. 272 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:09.079 I will tell you they don't occur near as often 273 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.759 as they'd like you to believe. They're very rare, but 274 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.200 they do happen, and when they do, it's traumatic and 275 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:18.319 it's never a good outcome. Yeah, And we could go 276 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.480 into some measures that have worked against this I have found, 277 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.279 but it is a very traumatic thing and there's never 278 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.519 a good outcome. The movie like to portray that they're 279 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.039 here for our benefit welfare and that it all ends 280 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:36.000 up like et and I have found it through my 281 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:39.720 experience and people I worked with. It's absolutely anything. 282 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.480 But that I got a question, do you believe that? Okay, 283 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.839 so you said there's human aliens that are like walking 284 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.480 among us, kind of like a nod to David Jacobs 285 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.200 and his book Walking among Us, Like, but but you know, 286 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.160 you know, and I wanted to say some stuff you 287 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.599 touched on kind of ties into like what Bill Tompkins 288 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.359 talked about, you know about the PA said that they're 289 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.319 Nordic working with the government for a long time. And 290 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.200 then David Jacobs, you know, he kind of touched on 291 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:09.160 the abduction phenomena for a while. But I mean where 292 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.319 I was going with that is, did you believe there's 293 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.160 like so there's like the human aliens or human looking 294 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.839 aliens and they're you know, kind of like interwebmen in 295 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.279 our society now, the gray aliens, Like would the humans 296 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.759 be controlling them with these human aliens or they Do 297 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.720 you believe they're controlling them? Or do you believe the 298 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:29.279 grays are some kind of interdimensional species. It's not tied 299 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:30.200 to the human aliens. 300 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.119 I will tell you everything that I have learned from 301 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.720 the people and my sources, is the Nordics is one 302 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.839 form of the true interdimensional beings. They have that shape, 303 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:48.680 that Nordic classic, you know, perfect physique, white hair, usually slender. 304 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.799 But along with that there are other type more just 305 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.039 normal humans that look just like us. The Grays are 306 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:01.839 the automatons. They are the you might say, that's their 307 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:05.279 form of biologics, their robot that does their bidding, their work. 308 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:06.039 Uh. 309 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.079 That's why when you get into the science and the reports, 310 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.480 this makes no sense in our physics or nature. Of 311 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.839 course they've been reported they absolutely have no sexual organs, 312 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.079 you know, not much of us. A mouth maybe have 313 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.359 slit sometimes, and the descriptions vary, but overall you get 314 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.680 the picture of a gray automaton that is more or 315 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.559 less their biological robot that does their work for them. 316 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:38.279 And it's they're safe. Go between between us and them. 317 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:39.240 Uh. 318 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:40.960 And then the graves take. 319 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:52.440 What happened and he froze. Guys. Wait, we'll wait to 320 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.519 see if he uh he looks back. Well, let's see what. 321 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.799 Oh you're back, Okay, you you frozen for a second. 322 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.559 Yeah, I know, it just kind of went away there 323 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:08.960 for a second, which happens to me a lot when 324 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:13.480 I do podcasts. I will tell you at times there's 325 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.480 been I will tell you the people we worked with, 326 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:19.519 Bruce and I, uh, we've had a lot of interference, 327 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.119 let's just call it that with certain people we worked with. 328 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:27.759 So, yeah, I can imagine because you're disclosure and the 329 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.759 truth about this stuff, and like people, for whatever reason, 330 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.200 the government doesn't want us to know what's really going on, 331 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:38.279 you know. I mean like it's you know, I feel 332 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.319 like it's all done by design, you know. It's like 333 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:43.480 and then they put out misinformation to put us to 334 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:48.000 get us on looking one way while they're doing something else, 335 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.599 and it's it's all one big cluster fuck excuse my language, 336 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:55.559 but like, you know, it's that's why I like having 337 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.759 people like yourself on because it seems like you're investigator here. 338 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:00.519 You want the raw, true of the way, what's really 339 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.920 going on, and you want to prove the real phenomenon. 340 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:05.920 It's yeah, I do, and you know I. 341 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.880 Can talk about it now at the time, and it's 342 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.559 a sad fact. When you get older, I'm I'm going 343 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:16.119 to be seventy two. I can't believe it. But years 344 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.039 ago when I started with Bruce, there was a time 345 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.279 before two thousand, the government, because Bruce was head of 346 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.160 the mutual uphone network in Missouri at that time, he 347 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.079 was approached and the government. That's why I want to 348 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.000 hear about disclosure. Now I'll go into that what disclosure 349 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:36.920 truly is. But there was a time when the government 350 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.359 approached Bruce. They wanted to do disclosure, and they wanted 351 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.720 the mutual UFO network to be involved in this. And 352 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:48.279 because Saint Louis was the parent company where it started, 353 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:50.839 they asked Bruce to be a part of this, and 354 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.079 Bruce asked me to accompany him. And I will tell 355 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:57.839 you we worked with an individual. Now this sounds x 356 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:01.319 filish as can be, but we worked with an individual 357 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.480 called All We Knew and By was Read that approached 358 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:09.480 Bruce and they wanted to do disclosure. And I accompanied Bruce. 359 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:11.799 I told him I would go with him, and we 360 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.039 went to Las Vegas one time nineteen ninety nine. They 361 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.240 were going to do disclosure at Area fifty one of 362 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:21.559 all places, they were going to have a press conference 363 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.960 there a mutual UFO network and another organization in the press. 364 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.079 We got in there three hours before we were going 365 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.359 to leave our hotel room to go on Janit air lines. 366 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.039 Of course, that way all the workers go in the 367 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.960 area fifty one, three hours before. After a two day wait, 368 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:46.920 they called it off. So we went back home, jumped 369 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:51.759 forward about two months. Read contacted Bruce and offered again. 370 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.440 They wanted to continue disclosure, and Bruce said, well, I 371 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.480 don't know what can be gained by this. You know 372 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.960 you called it. Oh no, Red reassured us it's going 373 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:04.240 to happen. So he gave us an invite to Maryland. 374 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.319 And this sounds again like a movie X file movie. 375 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.400 We went to Maryland. We went actually to Quannicle. We 376 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:16.160 went into a long just like in a movie, big room, 377 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.400 long table. Members of the press were in there, another 378 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:23.359 UFO organization, and each group of people had their own handler, 379 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.519 like we had read. We waited at that table for 380 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.880 four hours and our handler came out. Red came out 381 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:32.480 and came up to us and he said, well, guys, 382 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.799 it's off. They decided not to do it again. And 383 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.119 at that point we weren't the only ones that aggravated 384 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.640 and Bruce spoke up. He said, I'm tired of this shit. 385 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:45.160 We're not going to play this game no more. And 386 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:47.759 at that point I think Red got a little irritated 387 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.319 because we were there at his He's the one that 388 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:53.880 got us invited there. And Red said, well, guys, let 389 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:56.519 me tell you the way it is. He said, there's 390 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.319 two regimes in this the old regime and the new regime. 391 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.880 When all this information out and they want disclosure, the 392 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.000 old regime feels they're not going to spoon feed this 393 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.759 stuff to anybody. It's not their job. And they call 394 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.880 the shots, they signed the paychecks, and that's just the 395 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.839 way it is. And so anyway, as a result from 396 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:21.519 that though, REHD said, well, I'll try to make it 397 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.960 up to you guys, and he took Bruce and I 398 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.799 to a gentleman in Maryland, a gentleman named Ray Stanford. 399 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:30.000 And I don't know if you ever heard of that name, 400 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:30.799 Ray Stanford. 401 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:33.599