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Speaker 2: welcome back to another episode of the Typical Skeptic Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about my guest today. This is the
Speaker 2: second time he's been on my show and we had
Speaker 2: with us Thomas Ferrario. He was a former moofon director
Speaker 2: and he's been a UFO researcher for over sixty years
Speaker 2: investigating high strangeness in the phenomena. I actually wrote something
Speaker 2: about it. I rect tonight on the Typical Skeptic Podcast
Speaker 2: twenty seven fifty one. I welcome veteran UFO investigator Thomas
Speaker 2: Ferarrio for a deep deep dive into the one of
Speaker 2: the strangest locations in American UFO and paranormal research, Marley Woods.
Speaker 2: Thomas has been involved in UFO research going back to
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine. His background includes serving as a Missouri
Speaker 2: MOOFON Assistant State Director, co founding the Moofon dive team,
Speaker 2: and working alongside legendary physical trace researcher Ted Phillips. Thomas
Speaker 2: became involved in Phillips research into Marley Woods, a privately
Speaker 2: investigated area in Missouri associated by researchers and went This
Speaker 2: has reports of unusual lights, UFO activity, strange creatures, paranormal phenomena,
Speaker 2: and other forms of high strangeness. Tonight, We're going to
Speaker 2: dive deep into the history of these investigations and be
Speaker 2: asking Thomas, what do you believes what might actually be
Speaker 2: happening there. So tonight we'll explore the mystery of Marley Woods,
Speaker 2: UFOs and unexplained lights, Thomas's decades and investigating the phenomena
Speaker 2: his work with Ted Phillips, move on portals, vortices and
Speaker 2: possible interdimensional phenomena, cryptids, the Tetra Mountain Project, physical evidence
Speaker 2: versus eyewitness testimony, and what Thomas believes after more than
Speaker 2: fifty years of research and all that. And I'm really
Speaker 2: excited to have him here. I'm gonna bring him to
Speaker 2: the stage now, Thomas, thanks so much for coming back on.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 1: It's good. I'm doing good. It's good to be anywhere
Speaker 1: right now. I will tell you then, I'm glad to
Speaker 1: be back.
Speaker 2: On Rob Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for the people who might not be familiar with you,
Speaker 2: tell them a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: It's a long history. I've been in it more and
Speaker 1: I'd like to admit now I started. I grew up
Speaker 1: in a rural area, and in a rural area back
Speaker 1: in the day UFOs wasn't the type of thing people
Speaker 1: went around sharing with their neighbors. But I had family
Speaker 1: experiences in myself and I got to be a trusted individual,
Speaker 1: go to guy, and they knew I wouldn't ridicule them,
Speaker 1: which working with one of my mentors, Ted Phillips, I
Speaker 1: learned that ridicule is not part of the scientific process.
Speaker 1: So I will tell you that I had so many
Speaker 1: people in my little area come to me tell me
Speaker 1: things they wouldn't even share with their family that I
Speaker 1: felt an obligation to go forward and get some proper training.
Speaker 1: And one day, just out of a whim, I tried
Speaker 1: to call Walt Andrews, one of the founders of the
Speaker 1: Mutual UFO network, which was founded in Missouri, by the way,
Speaker 1: and I got through to him, and I thought I
Speaker 1: impressed the man with my knowledge, and it turned out
Speaker 1: I was just a back door for I found out
Speaker 1: through Mutual ufhone network and another one of my mentors
Speaker 1: that Project blue Book had been in my area and
Speaker 1: did actually did some of the cases that I was
Speaker 1: looking into. So Walt kind of used me at first
Speaker 1: as a back door to get some information, and I
Speaker 1: didn't impress him at all. In the beginning, he just
Speaker 1: wanted to pump me for some information and he connected
Speaker 1: me with Bruce Whiteman, the first appointed state director for
Speaker 1: the mutual ufhone network in Saint Louis, Missouri, and Bruce
Speaker 1: and I got to be great friends, and through him
Speaker 1: I helped him with conferences, was assistant state director for
Speaker 1: a while, and Bruce assigned me to a gentleman named
Speaker 1: James Cross, retired US Air Force captain and fought in Korea.
Speaker 1: Flew in Korea, and I worked two years under Jim's expertise,
Speaker 1: So that's basically my and I met Ted Phillips through
Speaker 1: a conference. I always followed Ted and working with Bruce,
Speaker 1: Bruce Adam and several conferences in Saint Louis, and I
Speaker 1: offered Ted my services one time as an electrician and
Speaker 1: at the time I was going back to school to
Speaker 1: become an electrical engineer and and Ted picked me up
Speaker 1: on that and he said, well, let me see what
Speaker 1: you got Tom, and invited me out to his key project,
Speaker 1: Marley Woods, and and that's more or less that's my story.
Speaker 1: And through Ted Phillips, I met all the top names
Speaker 1: in the field and got to work with him I'll
Speaker 1: tell you Stanton Freeman, uh, Jacques Valet, Douglas Trumbull, uh
Speaker 1: Ray Stanford, and it goes on and on. But uh,
Speaker 1: but that's my background and uh, that's where I come from.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, And and what what drew you know?
Speaker 2: Marley Woods? What made you start for start of investigating that?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: I probably started in Mary and probably two thousand was
Speaker 1: my first. Two thousand and one was my first trip
Speaker 1: out there with Ted and uh we formed a friendship
Speaker 1: over the years and uh we Ted formed SIU team
Speaker 1: Special Investigations Unit with five people originally and it was
Speaker 1: an experience. I'll tell you that the five of us
Speaker 1: out there, I never thought we'd we put ourselves into
Speaker 1: that position. And and you know, I could go in
Speaker 1: just a little bit about Marley Woods.
Speaker 2: If you like, just to Yeah, I'd love to know
Speaker 2: what's going on there, like what are people reporting seeing
Speaker 2: and stuff?
Speaker 1: Uh It Marley Woods is a thirty two sites, site
Speaker 1: one and two. Site one is about seven hundred acres.
Speaker 1: Site two is about thirteen hundred acres. So that's a
Speaker 1: lot of real estate for five people at the most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what's going on out there? I will tell you
Speaker 1: is if you're if you follow Skinwalker now, and I
Speaker 1: will tell you in the beginning we were connected. I
Speaker 1: can talk about it now with Robert Bigelow worked with
Speaker 1: us and the original owner of Skinwalker Ranch and and
Speaker 1: I have worked with the producers of Skinwalker, and we
Speaker 1: were going to do some feature a couple of specials
Speaker 1: out at Marley and it didn't work out through I
Speaker 1: can go into later why it didn't work out, but uh,
Speaker 1: but Marley Woods has cryptid activity, a structured craft unseen force,
Speaker 1: microwave activity, and that seems to be the bad guy
Speaker 1: that injures people. Uh, cattle mutilation, harsh mutilation, dear mutilation,
Speaker 1: you name it. Uh. So it just goes on and
Speaker 1: on from that, and uh, it's it's just a unique
Speaker 1: place like skin Walker. And I can tell you that
Speaker 1: Jacques Valet spent.
Speaker 2: Time with us.
Speaker 1: He was a good friend of Ted. And that goes
Speaker 1: back to Ted Phillips days when Ted worked for Professor
Speaker 1: Allen Heinik, which I'm sure you're probably familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ted was ondoing.
Speaker 1: The field trace research cases physical trace and Jock did
Speaker 1: the original software writing for him. And so you had
Speaker 1: those three individuals and I will tell you that through that,
Speaker 1: Ted invited Jock out to Marley Woods and he spent time.
Speaker 1: But Jock said that he felt that Marley had a
Speaker 1: higher probability for high strangeness cases than Skinwalker. Now that's
Speaker 1: saying quite a bit because he wrote the book on Skinwalker.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but and he had some experiences out there.
Speaker 1: I will tell you at this point, I'd just like
Speaker 1: to urge people. I have a YouTube channel. Just google
Speaker 1: my name on YouTube. You'll find my YouTube channel. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of free it's all free, about thirty
Speaker 1: forty movies on there. I actually had one interview. I
Speaker 1: interviewed Jock Vla from out there, and he speaks about
Speaker 1: his time in Marley and what happened to him out there,
Speaker 1: what he experienced. So I urged people to see that.
Speaker 1: And like I always say, don't don't believe me, just research,
Speaker 1: do the research and look into everything I say. Prove
Speaker 1: it's true. And I urge people to do. They don't
Speaker 1: believe anybody unless you do your own research. So, but
Speaker 1: we had structured craft everything.
Speaker 2: Wow, struck. When when you say structured craft, what do
Speaker 2: you mean like like a like a like a physical
Speaker 2: sighting of like UFO.
Speaker 1: Craft like, yeah, yeah, classic twenty foot thirty foot disc
Speaker 1: put down three impressions in the ground. Of course, Ted
Speaker 1: being the expert, he did compaction tests with a tool
Speaker 1: figured these things twenty thirty foot discs approximately weighed something
Speaker 1: in the range of twenty thousand, So you're dealing with
Speaker 1: a great deal of mass there. And contrary to people's beliefs,
Speaker 1: you know that these things are light. The outer skin
Speaker 1: is made up of materials that are extraordinarily light, but
Speaker 1: the propulsion system is made up of elements that are
Speaker 1: extremely dense and heavy, and some of the elements that
Speaker 1: it requires the anti gravitational propulsion, is extremely heavy. And yes,
Speaker 1: we do have pieces of this debris and craft the
Speaker 1: government has, I will tell you, But on contrary to
Speaker 1: popular belief, it is absolutely you're dealing with elements that
Speaker 1: are three times heavier than lead, and the conductive properties
Speaker 1: of it is anywhere from one hundred to two hundred
Speaker 1: times that of gold, which is one of our best
Speaker 1: conductors unless you use cryogenics. So people ask, if we
Speaker 1: have that technology, why don't we have a fleet of
Speaker 1: these things. I can go into that later. But one
Speaker 1: of the elements that is in the craft is not
Speaker 1: on this side of the dimensional boundary, and that's a science.
Speaker 1: We can go into the night and I speak about
Speaker 1: now we're coming into that realm that time. But that
Speaker 1: is what they dealt with in Marley, the in the
Speaker 1: structured craft and cryptid activity you name. It's it's parallel
Speaker 1: to Skinwalker and surpasses that in many ways. And we've
Speaker 1: had an abduction, We've had just traumatic experience. We've had
Speaker 1: injuries due to microwave energy. The property owners have had it,
Speaker 1: ted had it.
Speaker 2: I have it.
Speaker 1: I live with it to this day. Injuries. So it
Speaker 1: is the real deal. And I will tell you they're
Speaker 1: coming into that realm now at Marley that in Skinwalker
Speaker 1: that we dealt with in Marlee. They're going they're looking
Speaker 1: at microwave energy as the bad guy, just as we
Speaker 1: came up with a conclusion in Marley. Uh So it's
Speaker 1: very real. It's dangerous and uh, I urge people. You know,
Speaker 1: when you go out after these things. It seems like
Speaker 1: a good pastime at first, but if you get into
Speaker 1: a real location, a situation, it can be dangerous. So
Speaker 1: always have that in the back of your mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A couple of things you do you touched on
Speaker 2: the propulsion of the craft and like like, why we
Speaker 2: don't have a fleet of them, Like, do you think
Speaker 2: it's it's Do you think it's interdimensional? Do you think
Speaker 2: it's like these beings are coming from another dimension and
Speaker 2: coming here to visit us. I absolutely do.
Speaker 1: And I say that with the background of seeing guys
Speaker 1: far but my pay grade. We did experiments. They did
Speaker 1: experiments at Skinwalker in the early days to prove that
Speaker 1: a lot of this craft and it was interdimensional, and
Speaker 1: uh as Alan Heinik approved. Uh and it absolutely is interdimensional.
Speaker 1: The beans that come across. And believe me, when I
Speaker 1: was in the mutual UFO network, I was taught we
Speaker 1: had our manual to go out in the field with.
Speaker 1: At that time, I will tell you I call them
Speaker 1: the journal had thirty one different I call them flavors
Speaker 1: or species of aliens at that time. Log that from
Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts. I now when I say that, I'm saying
Speaker 1: that when they're come across the interdimensional boundary in that form,
Speaker 1: they're absolutely as flesh and blood and real as you
Speaker 1: and I. They physical trace, that is the shape they take.
Speaker 1: But there.
Speaker 2: If they're playing a.
Speaker 1: Trick on us, the interdimensional beings, the true beans that
Speaker 1: are here back behind it all that use all the automatons,
Speaker 1: and it's like we're finding out now it's easier to
Speaker 1: grow a robot than to make one. Biologics are the
Speaker 1: best robots. They use them to come in to do
Speaker 1: their bidding and they're out. But the true interdimensional beings
Speaker 1: are exactly look like you and I do. They're the
Speaker 1: full pattern. If you'd see them in a crowd, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know them any different besides their medical features. Unless
Speaker 1: you do a background on it, a medical check, the
Speaker 1: absolutely would appear to be us. And I do know
Speaker 1: from research with these people that they have been in
Speaker 1: our labs, in our high tech labs, working for going
Speaker 1: on now almost forty seven forty eight years. And when
Speaker 1: they come across like I say that their interdimensional beings
Speaker 1: can take in whatever shape and form they want. And
Speaker 1: I have to go into the movie, which I did
Speaker 1: like it touched upon a lot of things. Disclosure Day
Speaker 1: was an excellent movie. I liked it. I felt they
Speaker 1: had some inaccuracies in it, and they could have went
Speaker 1: a lot farther.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest thing I'd like to just draw upon
Speaker 1: the night about that movie. They like to leave you
Speaker 1: in that movie at the end with a warm and
Speaker 1: fuzzy feeling that these things, intertermentional beings are here to
Speaker 1: help us. They like to leave. Even abductions, it turns
Speaker 1: out well for the people abducted. They're here for our benefit.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you it is everything, but that
Speaker 1: in reality they're not here. They're Our welfare is not
Speaker 1: their motivation, and there are terrible things done. When I
Speaker 1: worked with Mutual You off on network, I actually I
Speaker 1: was asked to do the filming. I sat in on
Speaker 1: hypnotic regression on probably five different individuals on that had
Speaker 1: been abducted, and one case it was a pair of
Speaker 1: twin brothers that were in their eighties when we did
Speaker 1: the regression. But we did one on a woman that
Speaker 1: had a fetus actually taken from her and no inductions.
Speaker 1: I will tell you they don't occur near as often
Speaker 1: as they'd like you to believe. They're very rare, but
Speaker 1: they do happen, and when they do, it's traumatic and
Speaker 1: it's never a good outcome. Yeah, And we could go
Speaker 1: into some measures that have worked against this I have found,
Speaker 1: but it is a very traumatic thing and there's never
Speaker 1: a good outcome. The movie like to portray that they're
Speaker 1: here for our benefit welfare and that it all ends
Speaker 1: up like et and I have found it through my
Speaker 1: experience and people I worked with. It's absolutely anything.
Speaker 2: But that I got a question, do you believe that? Okay,
Speaker 2: so you said there's human aliens that are like walking
Speaker 2: among us, kind of like a nod to David Jacobs
Speaker 2: and his book Walking among Us, Like, but but you know,
Speaker 2: you know, and I wanted to say some stuff you
Speaker 2: touched on kind of ties into like what Bill Tompkins
Speaker 2: talked about, you know about the PA said that they're
Speaker 2: Nordic working with the government for a long time. And
Speaker 2: then David Jacobs, you know, he kind of touched on
Speaker 2: the abduction phenomena for a while. But I mean where
Speaker 2: I was going with that is, did you believe there's
Speaker 2: like so there's like the human aliens or human looking
Speaker 2: aliens and they're you know, kind of like interwebmen in
Speaker 2: our society now, the gray aliens, Like would the humans
Speaker 2: be controlling them with these human aliens or they Do
Speaker 2: you believe they're controlling them? Or do you believe the
Speaker 2: grays are some kind of interdimensional species. It's not tied
Speaker 2: to the human aliens.
Speaker 1: I will tell you everything that I have learned from
Speaker 1: the people and my sources, is the Nordics is one
Speaker 1: form of the true interdimensional beings. They have that shape,
Speaker 1: that Nordic classic, you know, perfect physique, white hair, usually slender.
Speaker 1: But along with that there are other type more just
Speaker 1: normal humans that look just like us. The Grays are
Speaker 1: the automatons. They are the you might say, that's their
Speaker 1: form of biologics, their robot that does their bidding, their work.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's why when you get into the science and the reports,
Speaker 1: this makes no sense in our physics or nature. Of
Speaker 1: course they've been reported they absolutely have no sexual organs,
Speaker 1: you know, not much of us. A mouth maybe have
Speaker 1: slit sometimes, and the descriptions vary, but overall you get
Speaker 1: the picture of a gray automaton that is more or
Speaker 1: less their biological robot that does their work for them.
Speaker 1: And it's they're safe. Go between between us and them.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the graves take.
Speaker 2: What happened and he froze. Guys. Wait, we'll wait to
Speaker 2: see if he uh he looks back. Well, let's see what.
Speaker 2: Oh you're back, Okay, you you frozen for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it just kind of went away there
Speaker 1: for a second, which happens to me a lot when
Speaker 1: I do podcasts. I will tell you at times there's
Speaker 1: been I will tell you the people we worked with,
Speaker 1: Bruce and I, uh, we've had a lot of interference,
Speaker 1: let's just call it that with certain people we worked with.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I can imagine because you're disclosure and the
Speaker 2: truth about this stuff, and like people, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: the government doesn't want us to know what's really going on,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean like it's you know, I feel
Speaker 2: like it's all done by design, you know. It's like
Speaker 2: and then they put out misinformation to put us to
Speaker 2: get us on looking one way while they're doing something else,
Speaker 2: and it's it's all one big cluster fuck excuse my language,
Speaker 2: but like, you know, it's that's why I like having
Speaker 2: people like yourself on because it seems like you're investigator here.
Speaker 2: You want the raw, true of the way, what's really
Speaker 2: going on, and you want to prove the real phenomenon.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I do, and you know I.
Speaker 1: Can talk about it now at the time, and it's
Speaker 1: a sad fact. When you get older, I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to be seventy two. I can't believe it. But years
Speaker 1: ago when I started with Bruce, there was a time
Speaker 1: before two thousand, the government, because Bruce was head of
Speaker 1: the mutual uphone network in Missouri at that time, he
Speaker 1: was approached and the government. That's why I want to
Speaker 1: hear about disclosure. Now I'll go into that what disclosure
Speaker 1: truly is. But there was a time when the government
Speaker 1: approached Bruce. They wanted to do disclosure, and they wanted
Speaker 1: the mutual UFO network to be involved in this. And
Speaker 1: because Saint Louis was the parent company where it started,
Speaker 1: they asked Bruce to be a part of this, and
Speaker 1: Bruce asked me to accompany him. And I will tell
Speaker 1: you we worked with an individual. Now this sounds x
Speaker 1: filish as can be, but we worked with an individual
Speaker 1: called All We Knew and By was Read that approached
Speaker 1: Bruce and they wanted to do disclosure. And I accompanied Bruce.
Speaker 1: I told him I would go with him, and we
Speaker 1: went to Las Vegas one time nineteen ninety nine. They
Speaker 1: were going to do disclosure at Area fifty one of
Speaker 1: all places, they were going to have a press conference
Speaker 1: there a mutual UFO network and another organization in the press.
Speaker 1: We got in there three hours before we were going
Speaker 1: to leave our hotel room to go on Janit air lines.
Speaker 1: Of course, that way all the workers go in the
Speaker 1: area fifty one, three hours before. After a two day wait,
Speaker 1: they called it off. So we went back home, jumped
Speaker 1: forward about two months. Read contacted Bruce and offered again.
Speaker 1: They wanted to continue disclosure, and Bruce said, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know what can be gained by this. You know
Speaker 1: you called it. Oh no, Red reassured us it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. So he gave us an invite to Maryland.
Speaker 1: And this sounds again like a movie X file movie.
Speaker 1: We went to Maryland. We went actually to Quannicle. We
Speaker 1: went into a long just like in a movie, big room,
Speaker 1: long table. Members of the press were in there, another
Speaker 1: UFO organization, and each group of people had their own handler,
Speaker 1: like we had read. We waited at that table for
Speaker 1: four hours and our handler came out. Red came out
Speaker 1: and came up to us and he said, well, guys,
Speaker 1: it's off. They decided not to do it again. And
Speaker 1: at that point we weren't the only ones that aggravated
Speaker 1: and Bruce spoke up. He said, I'm tired of this shit.
Speaker 1: We're not going to play this game no more. And
Speaker 1: at that point I think Red got a little irritated
Speaker 1: because we were there at his He's the one that
Speaker 1: got us invited there. And Red said, well, guys, let
Speaker 1: me tell you the way it is. He said, there's
Speaker 1: two regimes in this the old regime and the new regime.
Speaker 1: When all this information out and they want disclosure, the
Speaker 1: old regime feels they're not going to spoon feed this
Speaker 1: stuff to anybody. It's not their job. And they call
Speaker 1: the shots, they signed the paychecks, and that's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. And so anyway, as a result from
Speaker 1: that though, REHD said, well, I'll try to make it
Speaker 1: up to you guys, and he took Bruce and I
Speaker 1: to a gentleman in Maryland, a gentleman named Ray Stanford.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you ever heard of that name,
Speaker 1: Ray Stanford.
Speaker 2: That sounds familiar, but I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, he actually wrote the book Securl Saucer in
Speaker 1: the Pentagon Closet, and he actually did back engineering for
Speaker 1: the government. He ran the project Starlight was a private
Speaker 1: firm that ran Project starlight for the government, which was
Speaker 1: the first. He even made the equipment, the first laser
Speaker 1: guarded guided targeting, the equipment photographic equipment to track and
Speaker 1: photograph UFOs back in the day and in the sixties,
Speaker 1: and had a lot of success, I will tell you.
Speaker 1: And Ray back engineered a lot of the remnants that
Speaker 1: the government had and had a lot of success with us.
Speaker 1: And he gave Bruce and I a whole day lecture
Speaker 1: and showed us things. And at that point Red left
Speaker 1: and we appreciated that contact, and I stayed in contact
Speaker 1: with Ray. He passed away a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: But the man was a genius and it was monumental
Speaker 1: what he did and the experimentation he did with the
Speaker 1: equipment they made, and it's been documented, but that was
Speaker 1: our touch, and I will tell you that we learned
Speaker 1: things through Red when we spent time with this man.
Speaker 1: He filled us in on a lot of back engineering
Speaker 1: projects and over the years, and I got to say
Speaker 1: that one of the things I hate by being older
Speaker 1: is a lot of the people I dealt where they're
Speaker 1: gone now and I'm one of the few left. But
Speaker 1: Red filled us in on a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of fine points on what the government had at their disposal,
Speaker 1: what the craft that they had. And I will tell
Speaker 1: you the thing that shocked me the most though behind
Speaker 1: this was Red filled us in on a connection. And
Speaker 1: you want to know deep state, You want to know
Speaker 1: what and I know just in disclosure project now if
Speaker 1: you follow it now, the last couple of days they
Speaker 1: said that the door has been shut on Trump even
Speaker 1: undisclosure anymore. That's it. There's not going to be any
Speaker 1: more files coming out or photographs. The deep state put.
Speaker 2: The lid down.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you that a lot of what
Speaker 1: the deep state is and this is hard to comprehend,
Speaker 1: but when we were with Red, he orchestrated some things.
Speaker 1: He showed us that besides you fology, he showed us
Speaker 1: the connection. And if I had one place to go
Speaker 1: on Earth besides Area fifty one or a couple Air
Speaker 1: Force bases scattered around to prove the existence of the
Speaker 1: interdimensional beings, it would be underneath the Vatican. Now, you
Speaker 1: got to look at the country's history. The Vatican has
Speaker 1: always been the Holy See. They helped, they were part
Speaker 1: of the founders behind the scenes with our country. They
Speaker 1: taught our government compartmentalization how to keep secrets. And to
Speaker 1: this day I will tell you we were showed the
Speaker 1: connection behind the scenes the Vatican and he gets into
Speaker 1: the Jesuit hope call the shots and one of the
Speaker 1: things we were instructed. Now this blew me away. Back
Speaker 1: then when Red shared us with us, he said, you
Speaker 1: know what, you guys can share anything one day when
Speaker 1: I'm going, he said, you can share any of this
Speaker 1: about the UFOs and that, but for my welfare and
Speaker 1: your welfare, he said, don't ever touch upon the subject
Speaker 1: of the Vatican and the connection between our government behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, what goes on in the control over it
Speaker 1: in this subject matter. Now, that blew me away. So
Speaker 1: and I said at that time to him, also, we
Speaker 1: can talk about UFOs or little green guys, which I
Speaker 1: just made a joke, But but the Church and the Vatican,
Speaker 1: and that's that's all grounds aliens are okay to talk about,
Speaker 1: but not not that connection. And he looked at me
Speaker 1: and he said, and with a dead, dead pan expression,
Speaker 1: he looked at me. He said, you got me right,
Speaker 1: You heard me, he said, So I learned at that
Speaker 1: point and through the years, years after Redd had passed,
Speaker 1: Bruce was contact and I got to say, Bruce passed
Speaker 1: away in twenty two from a cancer and it was
Speaker 1: a very fast agree us of cancer that came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere.
Speaker 2: And I'm not leading to say.
Speaker 1: That this was done. I'm just Rus's cases may have
Speaker 1: been natural.
Speaker 2: We know, you know what, Thomas, I gotta tell you
Speaker 2: that the same thing happened with Dan Willis too. And
Speaker 2: Dan Willis was Dan Willis was he's been I don't
Speaker 2: know if you knew him. He was kind of up
Speaker 2: in age, but he was a he was like a
Speaker 2: uf longtime UFO researcher. He was actually one of doctor
Speaker 2: Greer's two thousand and one disclosure witnesses, you know, at
Speaker 2: the Press Club conference. And I heard that Dan, you know,
Speaker 2: also attracted a fast acting cancer. And the crazy thing
Speaker 2: about Dan was Dan was working on a free energy device.
Speaker 2: So it's like I absolutely believed these things can happen,
Speaker 2: like you know, and it's crazy. It's like it's like
Speaker 2: how far are they going to go? Whoever's doing this
Speaker 2: to people to like shut people up? And then it's
Speaker 2: like why, It's it's almost like they want to they
Speaker 2: want to put throw that they want this whole topic
Speaker 2: to disappear. So they can continue to control the world
Speaker 2: the way they want to control it, you know, and
Speaker 2: like and not let anybody know the truth about anything,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, and that's that's the way I
Speaker 2: feel about whoever's controlling the you know, the people of
Speaker 2: the deep state, whatever you want to call it. And uh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's tied into the Vatican, like you say, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what it seems like. It seems like they they
Speaker 2: will go to no end. Maybe it's because it's religion,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Maybe it's I have so
Speaker 2: many different uh theories, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's real, and I will tell you you know,
Speaker 1: it's in you follow just call it the melanoma from hell.
Speaker 1: They joke about it the X Files, you Steven, joke
Speaker 1: about it or do stories on it. But it is
Speaker 1: all I'll say is that bad things happen to good people.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: We had a researcher in Saint Louis, Missouri, was one
Speaker 1: of Bruce's guys that did He was a computer geek,
Speaker 1: he did research. He was a tenacious man. Uh, he
Speaker 1: never gave up on anything. And uh, about five years
Speaker 1: ago they found him and he committed suicide with a
Speaker 1: coat hanger.
Speaker 2: On a bedroom door.
Speaker 1: Now, if you get into that that whole theory, coat
Speaker 1: hangers are a tool use sometimes and that. But I
Speaker 1: won't go into that type of stuff tonight, but I
Speaker 1: will tell you the bad things happen to good people,
Speaker 1: and years later I've experienced it, and Bruce had two
Speaker 1: over the years. I will say in others there was
Speaker 1: a gentleman again we worked with, that approached Bruce about
Speaker 1: wanted to do disclosure again. His name was George, and
Speaker 1: here again we went through some things with him. Disclosure
Speaker 1: never happened, and of course everything we went into. He
Speaker 1: offered to be on podcasts with me to give information
Speaker 1: to people. That wasn't his motivation, I know. But over
Speaker 1: the years he monitored me and I haven't heard from
Speaker 1: him that George from oh probably now three years. But
Speaker 1: when I go into areas I knew he didn't like.
Speaker 1: He'd always send me an email that night yet after
Speaker 1: I did the podcast, and it just was a short
Speaker 1: little paragraph he'd always send me, and it was just
Speaker 1: stated he said, my friend, you make a habit of
Speaker 1: sailine on treacherous waters. That was his paragraph he'd always
Speaker 1: send me after I do a podcast. So and I've
Speaker 1: had people I live in a rural area. I've had
Speaker 1: people park down my county road vehicles. You go down
Speaker 1: and approach him, they take off. I've had mail stolen.
Speaker 1: Bruce went through that. Others have gone through that same scenario.
Speaker 1: Do I let it intimidate me? No, because I'm a
Speaker 1: little guy. I have no physical crew, no evidence but
Speaker 1: my word, and I'm nothing as others that get in
Speaker 1: this and speak do so. But does it happen. It happens.
Speaker 1: And that's why I've actually in my office, I've got
Speaker 1: a shelf. I've actually got two bottles of Jack Daniels.
Speaker 1: I won on a bet with an individual when disclosures
Speaker 1: started this time. He told me, he said, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this disclosure? It's going to happen this time.
Speaker 1: And I told him, I said, it's never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: By their hand, it's not going to happen. And he said,
Speaker 1: I'll bet you anything you want, I'll bet you. And
Speaker 1: I said, okay, two bottles of Jack Daniels. And he said,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You just don't know.
Speaker 1: You just don't know. You're not connected like me. I said, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: After a date came and gone, and after about two
Speaker 1: years a disclosure coming again. I won my bet. And
Speaker 1: now do I think disclosure is gonna come? I absolutely do.
Speaker 1: But it's not going to be by our hand. It's
Speaker 1: going to be by theirs, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: done in such a sneaky way. And this is the thing.
Speaker 1: I one of the reasons why I'm here tonight. I'd
Speaker 1: like to relay. The way it's going to be done
Speaker 1: is through technology. As I said before, these people been
Speaker 1: in our labs working for almost fifty years. Uh, they've
Speaker 1: been a part of technology. One of their main tools
Speaker 1: that's coming to the forefront now is AI and data centers.
Speaker 1: Now I have my own reasons I don't like data centers,
Speaker 1: but besides data storage, they're great monitoring areas they keep
Speaker 1: They're gonna virtually we're creating the jails. The prisoners are
Speaker 1: creating their own jails. The AI technology. I will say,
Speaker 1: in another year or two, you're not going to recognize
Speaker 1: the world we live in.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. At that point, they're they're giving
Speaker 1: we're gonna have benefits from this AI. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: free energy, we're gonna have medical cures, increase, increased food production.
Speaker 1: Anything we require, they're gonna supply with this technology. And
Speaker 1: their motivating is not our welfare. I will tell you
Speaker 1: this gets into the religious end of this that I
Speaker 1: will tell you that their motivation is for us to
Speaker 1: look upon them, the interdmentional beings, as supreme beings, which
Speaker 1: they're not. They have some of the abilities from the
Speaker 1: physics on that side that they take with them on
Speaker 1: this side, but that is their motivation for us. When
Speaker 1: they give us all this stuff, it comes at a price.
Speaker 1: And if you question this, as biblically foretold, even your
Speaker 1: own Famili's going to send you in for re education
Speaker 1: if you question this. Because and at that point when
Speaker 1: the government brings all this forward, here the aliens are here.
Speaker 1: They've been with us for fifty years. Look at all
Speaker 1: the benefits they've given us. How could this be bad.
Speaker 1: They've done nothing but good for us. They've been helping
Speaker 1: us for fifty years. You've been living off their technologies,
Speaker 1: so it's nothing new. And at that point most of
Speaker 1: society walks up this. It won't be a culture shock
Speaker 1: the way that people think it will be. But that's
Speaker 1: the reality of disclosure and of what I call the
Speaker 1: false flag scenario, uh, which talked about.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with everything he said, you know, and uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's we're headed for scary times if we don't
Speaker 2: do something. But see, it's it's tricky. It's like we
Speaker 2: can't really do anything too aggressive. Like it's like we
Speaker 2: can't run out into the streets and you know, you know,
Speaker 2: cause a big revolution, because then they would just declare
Speaker 2: martial law and lock everybody down and it would go
Speaker 2: crazy and it would be like pandemonium. Right, So it's
Speaker 2: like whatever people have to do, they have to do
Speaker 2: it off the internet, and they have to do it
Speaker 2: strategically and like and and also fight fight in the
Speaker 2: courts if there's anybody left. That's I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's anybody good in court, but I mean, like you
Speaker 2: know that that's what my one friend is doing against
Speaker 2: the data center. She's fighting, she's trying to fight the
Speaker 2: data centers in court in Ohio. And her friend's her
Speaker 2: name is Amanda jon Ohr and uh she you know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's it's crazy, you know, where where
Speaker 2: we're head. It's, uh, it's it's a really rocky situation
Speaker 2: and it seems like we're headed towards some kind of
Speaker 2: like dystopian or Wellian type future that like not none
Speaker 2: of nobody in our community wants to be a part of.
Speaker 1: You know, it is it truly is. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you that I I have to at this point,
Speaker 1: I have to give you my background also in this.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I was born and raised a Catholic. I fell away
Speaker 1: from the church. I never in a million years thought
Speaker 1: that a ufologist dealing with the top euthologists would ever
Speaker 1: get me back in the Biblical study. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you that more euthologists that really know what's going
Speaker 1: on have been or there exactly where I am. And Uh,
Speaker 1: this was a you know, when Ted Phillips worked for
Speaker 1: Allen Heinick, he fell out with Alan Hinnick for over
Speaker 1: a month old this he didn't want to get in
Speaker 1: the spiritual realm. Ted was like I was. He was
Speaker 1: a nuts and bolts man. He wanted to go out
Speaker 1: do compaction tests, get pieces of craft. That's what he
Speaker 1: was happy doing. He was an engineer and that's exactly
Speaker 1: where I was. I didn't want to and I owe
Speaker 1: it to people of an apology when I got in
Speaker 1: this investigating cases in the beginning, when they come to
Speaker 1: me with a bigfoot sighting something spiritual, I would drop
Speaker 1: the case. I wouldn't even in a few instants. I
Speaker 1: may have said some I regret now, but it is
Speaker 1: absolutely the spiritual aspect of this. The cryptid aspect is
Speaker 1: all come sourced from the same source. It's interdimensional and
Speaker 1: for lack of a good word, most of it is
Speaker 1: evil that comes across. Now, the interdimensional beings that come across,
Speaker 1: they don't have the authority to be here. We have
Speaker 1: the authority over them. But you can give them that
Speaker 1: authority by just asking them to come forth. Simple minding
Speaker 1: like a seance, a wee de board meditation, trying meditation
Speaker 1: with narcotics. And I've known people into these realms. Believe me,
Speaker 1: they think they reach people, and they actually they do
Speaker 1: reach the other side like this, but nine times out
Speaker 1: of ten they can't do. It takes control of them
Speaker 1: and that's the end of them. They can't handle it
Speaker 1: because they don't know what they're truly dealing with. It
Speaker 1: is evil and it is all biblical. And I know
Speaker 1: people like a lot of euphags. It's changing the tide now,
Speaker 1: I will tell you. But a lot of euphoulgists in
Speaker 1: the early days would like to throw rocks at people
Speaker 1: if you even went anywhere near biblical aspect. But in
Speaker 1: Saint Louis we had a very great man named Reverend
Speaker 1: John Schroeder, and he was like a field chaplain to
Speaker 1: McDonald douglas and James McDonald in the early days. Of course,
Speaker 1: you may know that Gemini they followed. The early space
Speaker 1: program was made in Saint Louis, Missouri, and it just
Speaker 1: so happened that that's why MUFON was started in Missouri,
Speaker 1: because the engineers in McDonald douglas had questions, they seen proof.
Speaker 1: The astronauts came to them with information they hadn't actually
Speaker 1: at that time they were actually getting into getting materials,
Speaker 1: and so Mutual UFO Network was started for a scientific
Speaker 1: approach to study what's truly going on. And Reverend Schroeder
Speaker 1: was there. He was like a field chaplain at McDonald douglas.
Speaker 1: He listened, and when the astronauts came back after they
Speaker 1: were being trained, they spoke. He was their chaplain. They
Speaker 1: told them things they couldn't get their mind around, some
Speaker 1: of the things they seen experience, and they shared it
Speaker 1: with Reverend John and he he actually wrote a book
Speaker 1: The Prophetic Ministry. When he was very young. His family
Speaker 1: had UFO experiences and he had experienced with it how
Speaker 1: real it was. So the mutual UFO network back in
Speaker 1: the day, I'll tell you, was the go to place
Speaker 1: to get information from and and I draw the conclude
Speaker 1: the contact there between the X files, and there's more
Speaker 1: things there than you'll know. As Bruce Whiteman in the
Speaker 1: early days in Saint Louis and in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 1: even people in LA would come to Saint Louis for
Speaker 1: UFO conferences. And one instance there was a young gentleman
Speaker 1: came to one of Bruce's conference and Bruce course had
Speaker 1: people like Stanton Freeman, Richard Hoglan and others in the
Speaker 1: front doctor Carol Rosen, which was von Braun's assistant, the
Speaker 1: rocket scientist's assistant. So it was a place to go
Speaker 1: in not only in the United States, but the world.
Speaker 1: And in one instance Bruce had a gentleman he ran
Speaker 1: the conferences, and he looked in the back of the
Speaker 1: room there was a young guy leaning against the wall
Speaker 1: with a note pad and taking notes. And Bruce went
Speaker 1: back there and asked the guy. He said, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? And he said, well, I'm here to see
Speaker 1: the conference, but I didn't buy a ticket. He said,
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford a ticket. And Bruce actually he said,
Speaker 1: well come with me, and Bruce took him up. There
Speaker 1: was an empty chair by him sitting up front row
Speaker 1: and they talked in the meantime, and he told Bruce, well,
Speaker 1: I'm writing the book or I'm trying to do a
Speaker 1: movie or TV or something about this subject matter in
Speaker 1: a good way. And he said, they told me back
Speaker 1: in LA to come here to Saint Louis. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: Bruce introduced him to all the speakers. And now the
Speaker 1: kicker on this whole thing was the gentleman's name, Bruce said,
Speaker 1: Chris Carter. Uh the originator of the X files, the
Speaker 1: writer of the X Files. Of course, wow so, and
Speaker 1: Bruce contacted him several years to try to get him
Speaker 1: to do a statement about how he got a lot
Speaker 1: of his information and uh So, Bruce even had that connection.
Speaker 1: We lived like the X Files for a period and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's unreal. The connection said Bruce got into
Speaker 1: believe me.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what I wanted to get into was some
Speaker 2: of the evidence that you guys got from Marley Woods
Speaker 2: or or just like some of the evidence that you've
Speaker 2: seen like in uh throughout your history as a ufologists,
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm I'm really interested in the evidence
Speaker 2: as well, like you know, like I'm, I mean, it
Speaker 2: could be anything from supernatural evidence to like craft landing
Speaker 2: evidence to like bigfoot fink footprints to cattle mutilations. I'm
Speaker 2: interested in hearing it all, Like what what all have
Speaker 2: you heard about? Like or what all have you seen
Speaker 2: or whatever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you the physical trace we got
Speaker 1: in Marley in the cryptid realm, and we had everything expired.
Speaker 1: Skinwalker is like the hooded wolf like figures in walking
Speaker 1: in progression. We had that dog man right dog man
Speaker 1: the dog men. We had that an individual out there,
Speaker 1: caretaker shoot at it. He got close to him, one
Speaker 1: turned around and looked at him, classic dog wolf face.
Speaker 1: He shot it and the individual turned no effect and
Speaker 1: as they moved in a progression of six away from him,
Speaker 1: they just kind of floated into a mist and they
Speaker 1: were gone. And one of our greatest cryptis with what
Speaker 1: we call the white It was a white polar bear
Speaker 1: slash sloth creature. The rancher on site two. He estimated
Speaker 1: this thing the weigh over four hundred pounds, and the
Speaker 1: man could judge cattle on the hoof within couple pounds.
Speaker 1: He said, this thing had to go over four hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: He got his rifle out, he shot at it, and
Speaker 1: he said, he said he made it red, which indicates
Speaker 1: there was blood.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Now, the strange thing about this was it went through
Speaker 1: a new, brand new that he had put up four
Speaker 1: strand barbedire fence. Now, when he said it went through,
Speaker 1: he didn't mean it went over or under. He said,
Speaker 1: it was like it just like a mist went right through,
Speaker 1: passed through this fence, not effect like it wasn't even
Speaker 1: a hindrance in it. Wow, we got out there two
Speaker 1: weeks later. We were trying to get a permanent presence
Speaker 1: out there. We never got it. When we were working
Speaker 1: with Bigelow, we were getting funding to do that. It
Speaker 1: never occurred. But when we got out there two weeks later,
Speaker 1: we found sixteen inch long white hairs on the barbed
Speaker 1: wire on his fence. Sent men to the Phyllis Budinger,
Speaker 1: which was his go to person, and over the years,
Speaker 1: even with Heinich.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: She did microscopy on this hair. They did crude DNA
Speaker 1: work at the time, not michondria, but just a crude Uh.
Speaker 1: It came back no known match, no known in the subject.
Speaker 1: We have pictures of a normal hair. Uh. This hair
Speaker 1: structure had was like nothing she'd ever seen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: We had cast it sat down. We had cast of
Speaker 1: the footpads in the in the mud. So we had
Speaker 1: physical trace from this creature. Now it was only seen
Speaker 1: out there by the rancher's daughter one other time. Now
Speaker 1: do we think they're a living breeding population of these
Speaker 1: things out there?
Speaker 2: No, we know there wasn't.
Speaker 1: You could go through the woods with a thousand men,
Speaker 1: you would never find this thing. Just like a bigfoot
Speaker 1: siding out there. When they're there, they're there, and they
Speaker 1: leave physical trace. They're inner dimensional. But when they're gone,
Speaker 1: they're gone. And that's what we dealt with out there.
Speaker 1: And besides cattle mutilation, a very graphic, harsh mutilation. Uh,
Speaker 1: deer mutilation.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: It goes on and on the high strate.
Speaker 2: Do you think things are being mutilated? But do you
Speaker 2: do you have a theory on that? Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know there's been a lot of theories from like
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I've watched Linda Moulton how over
Speaker 2: the years, she's kind of like the authority on cattle
Speaker 2: mutilations or you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you a very good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Uh are you familiar with Christopher O'Brien.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I interviewed him once. He he passed away, right.
Speaker 1: He passed away. Yeah, And it's a strange deal there.
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called Stocking the Herd, right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But but Chris made it out here to Bruce's conferences
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh, Chris even stayed at my house
Speaker 1: a couple of times. We brought him into Marley, and
Speaker 1: he absolutely believed that cattle mutilations were the same deal
Speaker 1: going on at with Linda mount Howe and of course
Speaker 1: Snippy the horse that day research they did great and
Speaker 1: Chris's book, Stalking the Herd, he did great work. He
Speaker 1: was a premier in that study. So he thought that
Speaker 1: Marley had the same exact thing going on there that
Speaker 1: he dealt with. And when he got to our horse mutilation,
Speaker 1: he thought that was one of the most bizarre I mean,
Speaker 1: I can just describe that to you for in a
Speaker 1: short account, but it was a deal. The rancher at
Speaker 1: Site two had a favorite horse in the barn within
Speaker 1: sight of his house. He came down in the morning
Speaker 1: when he'd run the fence line to check for his
Speaker 1: cattle on foot. He went in the barn, fit his
Speaker 1: horse some sugar, went on run, closed the gate, closed
Speaker 1: the door, went on to run. The fence line was
Speaker 1: within the earshot and sight of the barn the whole time.
Speaker 1: About twenty thirty minutes, he came back by the barn
Speaker 1: to walk up to the house. He noticed the gate
Speaker 1: was a jar and the door was open. He goes
Speaker 1: up to the door and he described to us what
Speaker 1: he found was a slutterhouse. Pieces of horse flesh on
Speaker 1: the rafters, blood on the walls, blood on the ground.
Speaker 1: It was as if this horse had exploded. Now, what
Speaker 1: does this and why? But the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: and when we did the film with Ben Hanson on
Speaker 1: UFO Witness, they tried to recreate this and they kind
Speaker 1: of messed up the facts on it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But they said the next morning, but it was actually
Speaker 1: within twenty thirty minutes which he was inside of the
Speaker 1: barn in earshot, which right there tells you what could
Speaker 1: have done this in that timeframe, didn't hear anything, didn't
Speaker 1: see anything unusual, finds his horse in the state again.
Speaker 1: We got out there about two weeks later. We took
Speaker 1: blood samples, we took some tissue him, and the neighbor
Speaker 1: has affected him so greatly. They got the big pieces
Speaker 1: of the horse out they burned it. Uh, he didn't
Speaker 1: even want to use the barn anymore. We got back
Speaker 1: out there, we were gonna do more sampling, and he
Speaker 1: had burned the barn down. He couldn't deal with looking
Speaker 1: at the barn anymore. And it wasn't overbarn. But uh,
Speaker 1: but I have photos of us in there taking sampling
Speaker 1: and no explosives found in. Nothing out than usual on
Speaker 1: the in the lab work.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The only thing Ted had said this was he'd seen
Speaker 1: it before it overseas in a couple of cases. It
Speaker 1: was if this horse had been put in a microwave
Speaker 1: of him and exploded. Uh. So there again, that's one
Speaker 1: reason why we we pinned my.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, that sounds like a brutal cattle mutilation.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never even you know that, that's uh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's uh holy heck, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And why would something new this except we feel
Speaker 1: so much the only explanation we could get at Marley
Speaker 1: through so much of what was done, we do believe
Speaker 1: that it was evil and that it was using fear
Speaker 1: as a control medium to control people. And now does
Speaker 1: it feed off fear or uses it just for control?
Speaker 1: We think maybe both. But let me tell you, in
Speaker 1: an area like that, something like the cattle mutilation and
Speaker 1: this horse mutilation, you wouldn't believe the amount of fear
Speaker 1: that it generates.
Speaker 2: I would say that the entities and aliens and that
Speaker 2: are coming to this earth, they are absolutely doing that too.
Speaker 2: But the way that they're attacking people, And when you
Speaker 2: hear about cases of entity possession, and like I had
Speaker 2: an entity attachment myself, and like I can tell you
Speaker 2: firsthand that these beings that's what they want to do.
Speaker 2: They want to invoke fear and they want to manipulate
Speaker 2: the mind. And like, you know, I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many people I believe that are probably have entity
Speaker 2: attachments that they don't even realize it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's I think it's more prevalent now because
Speaker 2: I feel like we're coming up on some kind of
Speaker 2: like weird like end times thing, and you almost see that,
Speaker 2: like to not to get geopolitical, but like with what's
Speaker 2: going on in the Middle East, it's almost like they're
Speaker 2: trying to bring it to some kind of end times
Speaker 2: prophecy or something. You know, it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: You're you're exactly right, and you've hit upon that, and
Speaker 1: you know, I understand, I have grandchildren. It's a touchy
Speaker 1: subject for me and my wife too, But I do
Speaker 1: believe biblically we are absolutely in the end times. I
Speaker 1: do believe what I go into in some lectures, the
Speaker 1: false flag scenario, that is where mankind is brought down
Speaker 1: so low that they turn again to the interdimensional beings people.
Speaker 1: Some will call them aliens for help, for a savior,
Speaker 1: and they will absolutely be there and be a savior,
Speaker 1: but they're not the true savior. And what they want
Speaker 1: us to look upon them as supreme beings, which they
Speaker 1: have the capabilities, but they're not the true supreme beings.
Speaker 1: They don't have the authority to be here and mess
Speaker 1: with this the way they are. But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: It is end time games and scenario, and people have
Speaker 1: to realize this that when question everything, when it comes
Speaker 1: to you and supplies you with whatever you need. There's
Speaker 1: a price to pay for this, and biblically, I will
Speaker 1: tell you, if you don't like to go into the
Speaker 1: Bible as a as in a religious aspect, at least
Speaker 1: go into it and read it as the most accurate
Speaker 1: scientific historical document that was ever written by man that
Speaker 1: in the times it was written, mankind couldn't have written
Speaker 1: the knowledge that is contained in that book. So you
Speaker 1: have to at least look at it and respect it
Speaker 1: for that if you don't want to do the religious realm,
Speaker 1: which eventually you'll have to make that decision for yourself.
Speaker 1: Believe me, but this stuff is all inter dimensional. It's
Speaker 1: not interplanetary. And like Stan Freeman told me years ago,
Speaker 1: you know, and I tell this story so much, but
Speaker 1: I can't help it. You know that Stan asked me.
Speaker 1: I was at Trekkie end of the day. I love
Speaker 1: Star trek And Stan said, what do you think of
Speaker 1: that stuff? And I said, well, I can't wait till
Speaker 1: we do it. And he said, well, Tom, you don't understand.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't going to argue with a nuclear physicist,
Speaker 1: I said. He said, you don't understand the physics of
Speaker 1: it and why it's impossible, and he said, you do
Speaker 1: realize to take a physical object, we're never going to
Speaker 1: attain light speed. To take a physical object the size
Speaker 1: of a pe would take the combined energy output of
Speaker 1: the Earth for one hundred years. And he said, if
Speaker 1: you did attain that, you do realize that mass, the
Speaker 1: faster it go, the more mass it has, the more
Speaker 1: energy required to drive that mass than the light speed.
Speaker 1: And even if you could attain that, he said, the
Speaker 1: forces needed the energy requirements if you reached your destination
Speaker 1: to stop when you got to your destination exceeds that
Speaker 1: expenditure by four fold. He said, Now do you think
Speaker 1: it's practical we can go inter that we can go
Speaker 1: light speed? And I said no, I guess not stand.
Speaker 1: And he said, but it's all going to be done
Speaker 1: interdimensionally when we have that capability. And people always accuse
Speaker 1: me and said, well, you don't believe on life and
Speaker 1: on other planets. I said, I absolutely believe there's life
Speaker 1: on other planets and civilizations. It's just the distances are
Speaker 1: too great. We have to go interdimensionally, and everything in
Speaker 1: the physics on that side makes it possible. Now, even
Speaker 1: you know communication, the communication distances by a society just
Speaker 1: to re church Earth, that society would be long dead
Speaker 1: before you could even communicate with it. So the distances
Speaker 1: involved exceed our physics. And if our physics exist here,
Speaker 1: they exist anywhere in the universe in the same they
Speaker 1: answer the same laws. So but interdimensionally, that's the answer.
Speaker 1: We're purposely put here on this side without the capability
Speaker 1: of going interdimensional for a reason. We're supposed to make
Speaker 1: our own decisions up, our own culture progress at our
Speaker 1: own rates. And that's why interdimensional beings and for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, and this goes in Biblical terms again,
Speaker 1: but they truly were fallen angels that came here, and
Speaker 1: they did breed with women. The nephilemit is a result
Speaker 1: of that. I do believe that Bigfoot, a lot of
Speaker 1: cryptids are the results of that. And that's why I
Speaker 1: have friends that are Bigfoot researchers. And in the day
Speaker 1: they start doing the early DNA work on Bigfoot, they
Speaker 1: come back they'd have human DNA in them, and they
Speaker 1: throw all those results out. Initially in the beginning, all
Speaker 1: human contamination, human content. You don't you don't know how
Speaker 1: to take them. They start teaching they had more experts
Speaker 1: out doing the DNA work sampling the proper way. Well
Speaker 1: guess what when they did that the proper way, they
Speaker 1: came back even stronger human DNA in these things in
Speaker 1: the big Foot. So, uh, there is that connection, I
Speaker 1: will tell you. And it's absolutely real. And like I say,
Speaker 1: when they're here, they're here, and when they're not, they're not.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I'm sorry, I was sorry. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, Oh no, no, I
Speaker 1: was just okay.
Speaker 2: What I was going to ask you was one thing
Speaker 2: that we didn't touch on yet was porals, Like I
Speaker 2: know they I don't know, but I mean, like I
Speaker 2: I like, have you had portals open up in Marley
Speaker 2: Woods or have people seen portals open there and that's
Speaker 2: where they're access they're accessing this stuff, like, uh, are there,
Speaker 2: they're they're how they're coming through to our reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ted had nailed down that.
Speaker 1: We had two he called them semi permanent portals in Marley,
Speaker 1: especially one that we could view from site one on
Speaker 1: the site to property and uh, I will tell you
Speaker 1: just a demonstration and we learned important things from that.
Speaker 1: Ted had photographed imagery and I encouraged people to go
Speaker 1: to my YouTube channel. Again, I've got imagery of this there.
Speaker 1: Ted At filmed things, take photographs of things coming out
Speaker 1: of these portals at times. Uh. On one occasion we
Speaker 1: were on a they built ted actually a real nice facility,
Speaker 1: a two story with a big deck around it, living
Speaker 1: quarters there for ted Uh. We were on the deck
Speaker 1: with a property owner one night and about actually this
Speaker 1: one portal in depending in the right season in the summer,
Speaker 1: about every week this one portal would appear. One instance,
Speaker 1: we were on the deck. We've seen it. TEDD said
Speaker 1: we need to get to that, So him and I
Speaker 1: took off in my vehicle. It was about around and
Speaker 1: we had to drive around, of course county roads to
Speaker 1: get to dirt roads to drive through fields at this location,
Speaker 1: which takes a little bit of time. We got to
Speaker 1: the location. We were in walkie talkie communication of the
Speaker 1: property owner of the deck, still observing this portal opening
Speaker 1: on site two. Just as a fluke. We got ten
Speaker 1: and I got out. We walked around. We couldn't find
Speaker 1: any artifact, light, nothing, just as a fluke. It. We
Speaker 1: got in the vehicle and I stepped on the brake
Speaker 1: and the property owner site one radioed us you're right there.
Speaker 1: I can see your brake light right next to the
Speaker 1: light the portal, and we got out again. We couldn't
Speaker 1: see but just so happens in reports of this in upology,
Speaker 1: one person sees something, the other person just a little
Speaker 1: bit over can't see it. And we learned how directional
Speaker 1: these portals can be. Within the matter of a few degrees.
Speaker 1: If you're not in the proper exact spot, you cannot
Speaker 1: view these things. But so we learned an important lesson
Speaker 1: that night, you know. But we do believe that a
Speaker 1: lot of times when this would open up, it'd be
Speaker 1: a precursor of the cryptid activity, and that goes into
Speaker 1: the whole other phenomena called the light balls. We dealt
Speaker 1: with what you're dealing all over the world now. Light
Speaker 1: ball activity and the light bulb phenomena is something that
Speaker 1: came out after the seventies. Ted always felt that the
Speaker 1: light ball could be a form of ROV. When our
Speaker 1: technologies increased, they lowered the risk factor by going with
Speaker 1: the technology you couldn't get a piece of didn't leave
Speaker 1: physical trace. Some instance, he thought that the light balls
Speaker 1: could actually be a medium uh that form of transportation
Speaker 1: for entities as strange as that sounds.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about orbs. Is that what you mean
Speaker 2: by light bulb orbs?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ted just never liked the connotation.
Speaker 1: And there again in the beginning he didn't like to
Speaker 1: put any religion connotations orbs. Or he called them light
Speaker 1: balls and uh and eventually he called them orbs. And
Speaker 1: but I will tell you the science of light balls
Speaker 1: or orbs. The coloration is the science in its own.
Speaker 1: The white, yellow, orange, red, the red usually seems to
Speaker 1: be the bad guys. That was a precursor to us
Speaker 1: that would do. Usually after we see red light balls,
Speaker 1: we'd have the unseen force show up. And that was
Speaker 1: a force that were knocked down gates. Uh, steel gates
Speaker 1: walk chained together in the middle, screwed in the oak post,
Speaker 1: would pull hinge pins out of the oak post. The
Speaker 1: gate would be on the ground. In the morning, cattle
Speaker 1: will be out. Not a scratch on the gates, anything
Speaker 1: physical hit it.
Speaker 2: So what does that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Trees twisted almost out of the ground and a vore ship.
Speaker 1: Uh so people knocked down. So it goes on and on.
Speaker 5: Uh high strangeness. Wow, this is wow, This was a fascinating. Yeah,
Speaker 5: let me see here what other questions I have for you? Uh,
Speaker 5: I guess that's it's about it. I mean, is there
Speaker 5: anything else you want to share about.
Speaker 2: About what's going on? Or like what, uh what what
Speaker 2: what do you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Or what what?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What do you think have would be coming up as
Speaker 2: far as like you know, the supernatural and and our
Speaker 2: and what's going on with our reality.
Speaker 1: I really truly believe we live in a time. And
Speaker 1: you have your you sound like you're a watcher. You
Speaker 1: have that perceived prince. You perceive that the end time scenario,
Speaker 1: and uh, I do believe we're coming to a time
Speaker 1: when there's we are going to have disclosure. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be brought on upon by us, It'll be
Speaker 1: it by their choosing. And I the sad part of
Speaker 1: it is, I think mankind and judging from uh the
Speaker 1: old you know, biblical piece piece and there'll be no peace.
Speaker 1: And uh we're living through that period now, believe me,
Speaker 1: and uh, I do believe mankind is going to be
Speaker 1: brought to his knees shortly. Whether that's nuclear, I don't know,
Speaker 1: whether it's famine or grouping of all these catastrophes and
Speaker 1: natural natural disasters are reoccurring now again biblically more frequent.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I do believe it's going to be just
Speaker 1: a grouping of all this coming to a head. But
Speaker 1: I do believe mankind is going to be brought to
Speaker 1: its knees and they're going to come to us to
Speaker 1: save us and have technology, food, medical, free energy, and
Speaker 1: they're going to take place and come out and at
Speaker 1: that point, no one will question, and believe me, no
Speaker 1: one will question if their aliens, interdimensional beings or what
Speaker 1: they are. They're going to accept this because they're in
Speaker 1: that position. But the price of this will be that
Speaker 1: they want you to accept them as supreme beings. And
Speaker 1: believe me, they have the capability of that. They do
Speaker 1: come from that interdimensional boundary. They will bring lightning down
Speaker 1: from the sky and do miracles. The only thing I'd
Speaker 1: like to leave people with is they can't read your mind. Now,
Speaker 1: as far as clairvoyance in this go the interdimensional beings.
Speaker 1: They can read your emotions, and I've seen demonstrations of this.
Speaker 1: You can be fool believe me, you will swear they're
Speaker 1: reading your mind, and I've seen demonstrations. They cannot read
Speaker 1: your mind. They can read your emotions. With someone's skilled
Speaker 1: at this or an interdimensional being, it's it'll look just
Speaker 1: absolutely like they're reading your mind. And the other thing
Speaker 1: I point I'd like to bring up, just in closing,
Speaker 1: is they're dealing with I'm trying to get this measuree
Speaker 1: through the producer at skin Walker back I dealt with
Speaker 1: at skin Walker. They're having a problem that they're all
Speaker 1: just as Ted said, this intelligence is always one step
Speaker 1: ahead of you. The problem with that is that they
Speaker 1: don't know yet. And I'm trying to get this information
Speaker 1: back to them. I shared it with some people, but
Speaker 1: they're gone there now. But they intelligence that's there is
Speaker 1: always there. When they're in therese their office, making plans
Speaker 1: of what they're going to do that night. Make your
Speaker 1: plans off the property. Do not make your plans or
Speaker 1: kep out anything. Your plans. What you're going to do
Speaker 1: on the property. Come into that property. Whether your plan,
Speaker 1: everyone knows where they what they're gonna do. Speak about
Speaker 1: it not. Because these interternensal beings, you can't perceive them.
Speaker 1: You don't know that they're monitoring you. When they're in
Speaker 1: that office making their plans, setting up equipment, these things
Speaker 1: are thereby them watching them. Just like you watch something
Speaker 1: on a television screen, you don't know what's watching it.
Speaker 1: They're there. And so I always tell people, and this
Speaker 1: goes into paranormal people. I've told this to when you
Speaker 1: go on and it was actually a show on ghost Hunters.
Speaker 1: One episode they actually made up a fake scenario before
Speaker 1: they went in the property. The ghost The Guy in
Speaker 1: the Gale had this particular show, a spin off of
Speaker 1: ghost Hunters. They made up a scenario before they got
Speaker 1: to the place about an accident that happened in the yard.
Speaker 1: People died. They got the names in their mind. They
Speaker 1: went into the structure looking for this the paranormal events.
Speaker 1: They approached the entities. There are you sown? So that
Speaker 1: was in this accident. Of course they said they were,
Speaker 1: They gave the names, they told them, they responded everything
Speaker 1: they said. It was a totally fictitious event. So that
Speaker 1: shows you the deceit involved in this. But I tell
Speaker 1: even paranormal hunters and that you go into a situation,
Speaker 1: make your plans before you enter that ground, like Skinwalker,
Speaker 1: make your plans, your equipment. Don't do anything plans, just
Speaker 1: move on to the property and do what you're going
Speaker 1: to do and but otherwise the intelligence, that's how it's
Speaker 1: always going to step ahead of you.
Speaker 2: That's my mind. Absolutely. And are you still gonna are
Speaker 2: you still going to investigate Marley Woods? And what do
Speaker 2: you do? You guys have any plans for that?
Speaker 1: It's a sad scenario, I will tell you, just like
Speaker 1: a skin walker when they dug in the earth, it
Speaker 1: seemed to upset this into intelligence. I will tell you
Speaker 1: in Marley it was always when we brought strangers out
Speaker 1: and interjected something new, the intelligence would show in various ways.
Speaker 2: It didn't like it.
Speaker 1: When we filmed out Hunt for Beuful Witness and Ben
Speaker 1: Hansen and we were out there a couple of days
Speaker 1: filming and they caught a lot on on the episode.
Speaker 1: I will tell you we filmed enough for three episodes. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: after that one episode there, the production went off the air.
Speaker 1: And there were reasons for that in the in the business.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you that they had experienced. They
Speaker 1: had drone work up there. They were going to recreate
Speaker 1: a scene that had happened to ten and I with
Speaker 1: a light. They had a big drone, four foot drone
Speaker 1: with I don't know how many thousand candlepower light. They
Speaker 1: were going to create the spotlight coming down on the
Speaker 1: actors or Ben and Meliss out there windless night, just
Speaker 1: like at Skinwalker. They put this big, huge drone up
Speaker 1: there with a light. They get it set up with
Speaker 1: a light in the field to come on. Ben and
Speaker 1: them get out in the field. The minute they turned
Speaker 1: the light on, the unseen force takes this huge drone
Speaker 1: and just pushes it off about two hundred foot almost
Speaker 1: brings it down on top of people. And they had
Speaker 1: they called off shooting that night. They tried to recreate this.
Speaker 1: The only time they got a little bit of footage
Speaker 1: like this was they decided they had the drone up there,
Speaker 1: They turned the light on, and they had the actors
Speaker 1: come in under the light. They got a few shots
Speaker 1: of that before the drone would move. So it's just
Speaker 1: like what affects the drones at a skin Walker.
Speaker 2: You know, you know when I want to one of
Speaker 2: the things I wanted to close on, and I know
Speaker 2: we don't. I'm even going to our inten minutes. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go too long, but I do want to.
Speaker 2: This is a really good conversation. I got to ask
Speaker 2: you this question and like because I question reality a lot,
Speaker 2: Like I don't have any issues with like I would say,
Speaker 2: I consider myself more spiritual, but like you know, I
Speaker 2: was raised Catholic, so I'm open to I'm open to
Speaker 2: whatever you know, I mean. But like what I'm thinking
Speaker 2: is it seems like these beings are like really powerful,
Speaker 2: right or they have like abilities maybe that we have
Speaker 2: that we're not tapping into, which is a whole other
Speaker 2: you know, there's that too, that we have abilities that
Speaker 2: we're not tapping into and we're not reaching our full capability.
Speaker 2: But it seems like these are these beings have like
Speaker 2: a lot of like power. So my question for you
Speaker 2: is if God created us, which I truly believe there's
Speaker 2: a supreme creator, or you know, something something a higher source,
Speaker 2: bigger than us that created us, Like who created these beings?
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think it was the same
Speaker 2: God or do you think they were something else? Like
Speaker 2: do you have a theory on that?
Speaker 1: Or it's absolutely And this goes into theology, This goes
Speaker 1: back you know in the Enoch and uh, of course
Speaker 1: Enoch was Noah's great grandfather and the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 1: Of course, you being Catholic, you know the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: and that Bible doesn't it doesn't contain the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of accuracies in it. There are
Speaker 1: some inaccuracies, but but Enoch being the Great Grandfather and Noah.
Speaker 1: It goes into the First Earth Age, and it goes
Speaker 1: into the reason why mankind was given another chance for
Speaker 1: free will on Earth. The supreme beings, the interdimensional beings
Speaker 1: you speak of that have more powers than us, are
Speaker 1: actually way pay grade above us. They are the angelic beings,
Speaker 1: they are the fallen Angels. They were above mankind in
Speaker 1: when mankind goes back when and we are. People don't
Speaker 1: like to believe we are interdimensional beings trapped in this
Speaker 1: body for a short time. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: when you get to be seventy two, you see our
Speaker 1: shar at a time, we're trapped in these bodies. But
Speaker 1: when we go back in the instant we leave this,
Speaker 1: we're on that side with a supreme our father. But
Speaker 1: the fallen angels will be given a brief time here
Speaker 1: on Earth again, and that's what's coming the false Flag.
Speaker 1: That's when they'll be set back on Earth. And that's
Speaker 1: a process we're into right now. That's a process. They've
Speaker 1: been in our labs for fifty years, and the parable
Speaker 1: of the fig tree, our generation will not pass away
Speaker 1: before this happens. So they do have being the like bodies,
Speaker 1: the fallen angels. They do have the powers of that
Speaker 1: interdimensional more than us. They can bring lightning down, I
Speaker 1: will tell you. They can work miracles. They'll be able
Speaker 1: to bring lightning down from the sky. They'll be able
Speaker 1: to control the weather. Uh, natural events they can control. So, uh,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna deal with that? Or question that?
Speaker 1: At that point, you know, I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a great another great question for you,
Speaker 2: and I gotta show you this this question. But I
Speaker 2: gotta show you this quote from sovereign Cosmic blob Man.
Speaker 2: He's awesome. He he always leaves a lot of good comments.
Speaker 2: He says, uh, he says Rob, do another show him
Speaker 2: and let him speak freely with no time limits. His
Speaker 2: knowledge needs to be documented for all time. So so
Speaker 2: that we got a lot of good people, got a
Speaker 2: lot of good people in the audience tonight. What what
Speaker 2: would I want to ask you was do you think
Speaker 2: they put a clamp on our DNA? Because like where
Speaker 2: I was going with that is like the Samerian tablets. Right,
Speaker 2: like when the when the Samerian Tablets came out, I
Speaker 2: I read them, and beyond you know, stitching, there was
Speaker 2: other people that translated them. But like it even says
Speaker 2: like when you read the Otra Hasies, I think it
Speaker 2: is like it says that like Enlil, which was one
Speaker 2: of the Ininochia or whatever, which could basically be the
Speaker 2: Fallen Angels. Right, it's probably the same thing. They put
Speaker 2: a clamp on you or not, they didn't use the
Speaker 2: word clamp that they said they they hindered humans life
Speaker 2: potential to one hundred and twenty years. It says something
Speaker 2: like that in one of the Samerian tablets. Do you
Speaker 2: believe it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right. And there again, the Fallen Angels
Speaker 1: did breed with women. They took woman, they had the
Speaker 1: nephilm and they were all kind of believe me, a trossa.
Speaker 1: They were all kind of creatures out of that barn
Speaker 1: that weren't natural, weren't meant to be. Giants were real
Speaker 1: in those days. I've had friends that researched remnants, skeleton
Speaker 1: skeletal remains, the giants, the Native Americans, dealt with fought
Speaker 1: groups of giants back its recorded history that Native American
Speaker 1: culture had in the Southwest fought giants. Uh, there were
Speaker 1: skeletal remains made. The Smithsonian, unfortunately, under the control of
Speaker 1: the government, was always brought in to ridicule, pick up
Speaker 1: all the remains, put them away, hide it all, Hide
Speaker 1: this old culture, the hard evidence. European people, same thing.
Speaker 1: Uh there you know, even Egypt. Uh there's been and
Speaker 1: even there again biblically, Uh, it speaks about the giants freely. Uh.
Speaker 1: There were giants on earth, as hard as it is
Speaker 1: for people. There were structures made by them. A lot
Speaker 1: of the ancient structures, you know, they're they're finding out
Speaker 1: now the pyramids weren't built by the Egyptians. They were
Speaker 1: remodeled by the Egyptians, and they're far older than the Egyptians.
Speaker 1: And uh so it goes back in a lot of
Speaker 1: the structures. Let me tell you the work that's been
Speaker 1: done in the Stonehenge in different areas all across the world.
Speaker 1: The whole part of the answer is there from the
Speaker 1: first Earth Age. No, they weren't men, you know, dragging
Speaker 1: these things on logs or two thousand slaves or some places,
Speaker 1: some instance, these structures were built where there was a
Speaker 1: population of maybe at most ten thousand humans, well ten
Speaker 1: thousand humans. When you cut out the seat, the sick,
Speaker 1: the week, the old, the women, you're down to the
Speaker 1: hundreds of people that could have built the structure. They
Speaker 1: would have took thousands, hundreds of years to build. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't done by man. It was in the first
Speaker 1: earth Age. And but you know that's the factual stuff
Speaker 1: for this that has been hidden from mankind. And there
Speaker 1: again I will tell you that the Church is involved
Speaker 1: in this. It's a very real thing and it goes
Speaker 1: back even you know, it gets into euthology. I will
Speaker 1: tell you that the truth of it is and it's
Speaker 1: not believe me, people address the fact. You know, it
Speaker 1: gets back into the men in black that we've dealt
Speaker 1: with reports of that. And I can tell you that
Speaker 1: there's three elements of the men in black what we
Speaker 1: learned from our contact read the first men in black
Speaker 1: were the Church that they call them men in black.
Speaker 1: Initially they were men in black the Jesuits. Their motivation
Speaker 1: was actually they're great scholars. They were to help people.
Speaker 1: I envy the Jesuits. They're great people. They're scholars, but
Speaker 1: the Jesuits were here. They investigated not only possessions, but euthology,
Speaker 1: UFO reports, alien accounts. But they were there to help people.
Speaker 1: They show up the second men in Black classification as
Speaker 1: our government. Their motivation wasn't as pure all the time.
Speaker 1: It was that a ridicule and cover up, and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of bad things done to people when
Speaker 1: they couldn't cover up facts, I will tell you. And
Speaker 1: once in a while they were there to help people,
Speaker 1: but not very often. And the third classification, the men
Speaker 1: in Black are nothing less than the interdimensional beings themselves,
Speaker 1: and their motivation was always bad. It was always.
Speaker 2: To cover up.
Speaker 1: Fear, to get rid of people, and abductions was part
Speaker 1: of that. So there you have another element of this
Speaker 1: that just shows you the extent of the true motivation
Speaker 1: of the interdimensional beings. I have not found anything good,
Speaker 1: I will tell you, in all my years, and getting
Speaker 1: back into the religious realm, I found more explanation for
Speaker 1: all the mysteries that I've come across, And like so
Speaker 1: many of my mentors, I wasn't going to argue with
Speaker 1: and it's just been the one answer, and even dealing
Speaker 1: regressions people that you know, abduction runs in families, and
Speaker 1: I will tell you we've dealt with families that had
Speaker 1: this one two generations, you know. And the only thing
Speaker 1: and all the abduction cases i've heard of that ever worked,
Speaker 1: the only thing any individual ever did Twice, I've heard
Speaker 1: accounts where in the family that was preceded them their
Speaker 1: mother and father and then affected them. The individuals in
Speaker 1: a couple of instants, they actually they turned the prayer
Speaker 1: in the middle of the abduction. They brought up the
Speaker 1: name Yashua or Christ. Entities were gone.
Speaker 2: In an instant.
Speaker 1: So it's like I say, I do believe we have
Speaker 1: the authority over this if we use it and use
Speaker 1: it wisely. But that's the only thing in all my
Speaker 1: experience that I'm coming across this that I've ever heard
Speaker 1: work against. These guns don't work. In some cases, people
Speaker 1: tried mace electronic devices. It doesn't work. It doesn't.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're Do you think they're a kind
Speaker 2: to like the demonics? And if so, do you think
Speaker 2: we have a misunderstanding what demon demons are? Uh? I
Speaker 2: think demonic is a good terminology for this. Uh.
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that there's a demon under every
Speaker 1: bush out there, behind every tree. There are true demonic
Speaker 1: beings that are that goes in with the fallen angels
Speaker 1: and nephylm That is, when they were destroyed, a lot
Speaker 1: of the souls from this demonic they were demonized. They
Speaker 1: were demons. They were the souls out of body of
Speaker 1: a lot of the Nephelim that were sent to the
Speaker 1: inner Earth. I do believe there are true demons, but
Speaker 1: they're not like hiding behind every bush. But most of
Speaker 1: the time the demonic or what does the demonic work
Speaker 1: is the international beings. Now that does that mean that
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of what comes across is bad.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: At times there are things that come across with the
Speaker 1: authority to be here to help man. But it's very
Speaker 1: rare and it never interferes with free will. That's where
Speaker 1: you have to differentiate this. So you can look at
Speaker 1: that and see and judge it for yourself and that.
Speaker 1: But like I tell everybody, you have to question everything,
Speaker 1: and when this all goes down, question everything, and everybody,
Speaker 1: including me, don't believe me that. You know, if I
Speaker 1: say the Jesuits have their own the black pope that
Speaker 1: gives marching orders to the to the Catholic Church pope.
Speaker 1: Don't believe me when I say that. Google it. You'll
Speaker 1: find out that the Jesuits do have a Black Bote.
Speaker 1: They don't call him the Black Pope, but he serves
Speaker 1: that purpose. But google it.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait wait, I'm confused about your thoughts on
Speaker 2: the Jesuits because, like you know, in the conspiracy community,
Speaker 2: like like I had on Leo's Agami recently. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know Leo is and like Leo just
Speaker 2: wrote a book about the Vatican and UFOs and it's
Speaker 2: actually really I mean, I haven't got to read it,
Speaker 2: but I interviewed him on it and it sounds really good.
Speaker 2: But I mean, he and other people look at the
Speaker 2: Jesuits as more like a negative force, and like the
Speaker 2: conspiracy community, like, did you got a different or what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 1: I do look at some of the things that are done.
Speaker 1: Just like anything, there's always pro and con with everything.
Speaker 1: I do believe the Jesuits for the most part, do
Speaker 1: outstanding work for the better behind the scenes. I will
Speaker 1: tell you to this day they are a controlling force
Speaker 1: in our own government. Uh, They're not the deep state
Speaker 1: as such that goes into again the interdimensional beings. I
Speaker 1: do believe the shadow government that people call a lot
Speaker 1: of what goes on behind the scenes, that's bad. It's
Speaker 1: nothing less than the interdimensional beings pulling the strings behind
Speaker 1: the scenes with people. And uh, they work a lot
Speaker 1: of favors. Uh, believe me, they've they've caused a lot
Speaker 1: of wealth for certain people. A lot of people come
Speaker 1: out with their connection with them, wealthy people and in
Speaker 1: the power that's given to them by these beings. And
Speaker 1: they don't dare across this. They know what will happen
Speaker 1: to them if they do speak against it. So that's
Speaker 1: why there's such a strong battle behind the scenes to
Speaker 1: keep all this hush hush. So but it is very
Speaker 1: real and uh and and like I say, one day
Speaker 1: this is all going to be out and uh. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, it's I I just
Speaker 1: have to this point.
Speaker 2: I I honor the man.
Speaker 1: I'm so much a fan of Jacques Vallet. We worked
Speaker 1: with out there. Yeah this point, he gave us a phrase.
Speaker 1: I wrote it down and I printed it out. I
Speaker 1: have it up here on my wall that he when
Speaker 1: we worked with him. One of his statements was the
Speaker 1: UFO phenomena represents evidence for other dimensions that simply cannot
Speaker 1: be understood apart from their psychic and symbolic reality. What
Speaker 1: we see here is not an alien invasion. It is
Speaker 1: a spiritual system that acts on humans and uses humans.
Speaker 1: Doctor Jacques Valle, Now that's coming from the man.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2: I've always been a fan of his work, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know that that's a really I think
Speaker 2: that's really well said. You know, it's a yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I yeah, he's uh yeah, so wow. Yeah, this this
Speaker 2: was an amazing interview. Thank you. Uh and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: do you want I guess we could we could finish
Speaker 2: up here. Do you want to tell people how they
Speaker 2: can follow you? And you said you have a YouTube right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Just google my name on YouTube and you'll you'll come
Speaker 1: to it eventually. Just google my name and Marley Woods
Speaker 1: and uh, it'll bring you to my YouTube channel. And
Speaker 1: like I said, uh, there's a lot of video there
Speaker 1: of Marley Woods, a lot of Jock Fila's own interview
Speaker 1: I did with him. Uh, there's a lot of my
Speaker 1: personal history. I'm an open book. A lot of people
Speaker 1: will warn me they said, Yeah, somebody's gonna shut your
Speaker 1: book one day. But I I document myself, my work
Speaker 1: in being an electrical engineer on there, my work as
Speaker 1: a dive master, my time in Red China. Uh I,
Speaker 1: I document everything about.
Speaker 2: Me up there.
Speaker 1: So what I am is what you see on there.
Speaker 2: It's reel and wait, I gotta ask you this real quick.
Speaker 2: What is Red China? What you said your time in
Speaker 2: Red China? That sounds so interesting?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was here, you know, like, is that what
Speaker 2: it means?
Speaker 1: Nothing? Nothing UFO related. I would tell you I worked
Speaker 1: for an industry.
Speaker 3: I did that.
Speaker 1: They built some machinery and I went there. They were
Speaker 1: setting up this machinery and they needed somebody to go
Speaker 1: in and try to make sure they had the electrical
Speaker 1: requirements to supply to run this equipment. And that was
Speaker 1: my job. And let me tell you, I was four
Speaker 1: hundred miles from Vietnam in the monsoon season and they
Speaker 1: were running the equipment, three phase electrical equipment off generators
Speaker 1: and when it would rain, it would flood out generator
Speaker 1: rooms and it was it was a nightmare. Uh I
Speaker 1: was there a couple months, and when I got back
Speaker 1: to the United States, I believe me. I kissed the
Speaker 1: ground when I got back, and I will tell you,
Speaker 1: uh and this, I'm not being political here.
Speaker 2: Believe me.
Speaker 1: It sounds like I am. But I if you've ever
Speaker 1: lived or worked in a communist country, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: when you get back to the United States, you thank
Speaker 1: god it's the United States and it's free. And the
Speaker 1: people in Red China have a saying. And I questioned
Speaker 1: this at first, but my translator and that when we
Speaker 1: talk at night, he said, when Red China, which a
Speaker 1: lot of young people don't know, Red China's Communist China. Now,
Speaker 1: the Red Chinese was communists, but in the early days
Speaker 1: China became socialist, and they have the saying there in
Speaker 1: Red China that the difference between socialism and communism is
Speaker 1: seven months. And I said, what do you mean, and
Speaker 1: he said, well, that's the time it usually takes to
Speaker 1: go from socialism to communism. It's seven months. So I'm
Speaker 1: not being political here. I'm just telling you what I see.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you. I think we have a
Speaker 2: lot of issues in the United States, but I think
Speaker 2: it's still the best country to be in the entire world.
Speaker 2: I really do, you know, I mean, like, my dad's
Speaker 2: I hope this all the time on the show. My
Speaker 2: dad's or my dad was in Vietnam and my grandfather
Speaker 2: was a prisoner war in World War Two, so you know,
Speaker 2: my family has a history with the military. So it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's by the way, I'll just ask you this real quickly,
Speaker 2: and sorry, I know we need to go, but like,
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the whole thing that's going
Speaker 2: on in the Middle East? Do you have a theory
Speaker 2: or are you are you have you been paying attention
Speaker 2: or like what do you?
Speaker 1: What do you?
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting, right, it's it seems a little crazy though,
Speaker 2: and and now they're making it seem like I don't
Speaker 2: know if you saw this real quick I'll just tell you,
Speaker 2: it seems like they're combining wars, right, like Ukraine fired
Speaker 2: shots in Iran. I was like, what the e f?
Speaker 2: And like, so it's gonna be this this this crazy
Speaker 2: war United States and is versus Iran, probably China and Russia.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a world wars forming. Are you any
Speaker 2: Ukraine's I guess on our side, you know, and you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right it And here again, it takes a better
Speaker 2: man to me to know, but I know enough that
Speaker 2: to explain it all biblically.
Speaker 1: But absolutely what's taking place now, it is biblical, and uh,
Speaker 1: despite what anybody says, and that's why you know, I
Speaker 1: follow it and I hope he's right. But whenever they
Speaker 1: have peace talks in that I always know it's piece
Speaker 1: piece and there will be no peace. And uh, so
Speaker 1: what's happening is biblical, has been foretold and it's there's
Speaker 1: not going to be a good outcome of it. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wish there was. I wish it was different. But overall,
Speaker 1: it's going to lead to a world war. And and
Speaker 1: we're actually kind of blind to the fact we're actually
Speaker 1: in a world war right now. We really are.
Speaker 2: And proxy wars, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of proxy wars, and uh, the people. The
Speaker 1: problem is you're dealing with and Iran, You're you're dealing
Speaker 1: with a death cult, and you can't deal It's kind
Speaker 1: of like the old alien movies, you know, when they
Speaker 1: came here and we're destroying population, they said, what do
Speaker 1: you want from us? And the aliens would always say, well,
Speaker 1: we want you dead.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's virtually the scenario we're in right now with these people.
Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 2: crazy world. It really is. Yeah, it's uh yeah, but
Speaker 2: thanks Thomas. Do you want to tell you you're in
Speaker 2: the middle of telling people where that finds you? This
Speaker 2: was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Facebook, you know. I have a page on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Find me.
Speaker 1: I have the Marley Woods Research Center page. You can
Speaker 1: become a member of that free. I don't charge for anything.
Speaker 1: I don't make a dime off this. You can go
Speaker 1: in there, become a member, and I post things going
Speaker 1: on in Marley and uh some of Ted Phillips worked
Speaker 1: and early works and anything that does take place in
Speaker 1: Marley or people I'm working with at Skinwalker, we post
Speaker 1: on Marley Wood's page. So that's that's the best way to.
Speaker 2: To follow us. All right, Well, thank you so much
Speaker 2: everybody pretending tonight, and thank you so much, Thomas, and uh,
Speaker 2: have a good night everyone, and good night.