Speaker 1: M m.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the applause, the applause for a new conference
Speaker 2: that's coming our way. It is the Origins conference we're
Speaker 2: going to feature today, which is part of the Mego
Speaker 2: Lithomania group of conferences that's hosted by our friend, producer, writer, researcher,
Speaker 2: investigator Hugh Newman and who is our guest today. Will
Speaker 2: be speaking to him shortly, not only about the the
Speaker 2: groups of people speaking, the themes of the of the
Speaker 2: presentations that or conference. By the way, it's going to
Speaker 2: be November one in London. But Hugh is on top
Speaker 2: of it. He has a streaming format. I think he's
Speaker 2: charging forty or fifty bucks for the full day. It's
Speaker 2: one day from ten am to seven pm for those
Speaker 2: of you who can't stay up late or excuse me
Speaker 2: early in the morning. It's all recorded and kept in
Speaker 2: a file so you can hear people like Robert Temple
Speaker 2: and Hugh jj Ainsworth many others will talk about them shortly.
Speaker 2: But he's got it down. He's smart, he knows what's
Speaker 2: going on. He's been doing conferences for a while. As
Speaker 2: a former producer of programming for conferences, I appreciate what
Speaker 2: Hugh does and that's why we have sponsored it. I
Speaker 2: think we were going on our third or fourth year now,
Speaker 2: and he has a great lineup. He has an excellent lineup.
Speaker 2: Robert Temple alone is worth the admission and he has streaming,
Speaker 2: live streaming, automatically recording for you to pick up later,
Speaker 2: and it's just fantastic. Now a lot of people who
Speaker 2: listen just to podcasts, that's great. We got a percentage
Speaker 2: of people that are moving to our YouTube channel and
Speaker 2: that's kind of nice because you can see who's talking,
Speaker 2: some of the graphics or whatever. For those of you
Speaker 2: who don't have YouTube, don't enjoy watching podcasts, make sure
Speaker 2: you go to the Facebook page to see the graphics,
Speaker 2: the supporting material. We call them podcast notes, and they
Speaker 2: are the photographs, illustrations, graphics, whatever is in a book
Speaker 2: that we're promoting, or part of a dialogue, part of
Speaker 2: a presentation, part of an interview that we are presenting
Speaker 2: for you, so you can get that material there. Today
Speaker 2: we are gonna talk to you not only about the conference,
Speaker 2: but I consider Hugh Newman one of the top names
Speaker 2: of researchers who are in the Middle East, notably Turkey,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna hear details on new discoveries that not
Speaker 2: only go Beckley Teppee, but one of the other Teppees,
Speaker 2: which is Carahan Teppee, which seems to be carving central
Speaker 2: for human human like figures. They've already found five eight
Speaker 2: foot plus tall carved rock carved men, a number of animals,
Speaker 2: and the list keeps going on and on and on.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see some new photographs. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: some new photographs that are being collected. And I was
Speaker 2: just there a couple of years ago, and the Turks
Speaker 2: have put together a fabulous world class museum to display
Speaker 2: these artifacts. And I gotta tell you, although they're very rudimentary,
Speaker 2: very crude in some ways, they are intelligently designed. And
Speaker 2: it's not that you look at it's not like you're
Speaker 2: looking at a Greek or Roman sculpture. They're much cruder
Speaker 2: than that. But they're substantial, and that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: They are substantial. The other problem with a lot of
Speaker 2: these sculptures is we just don't know what the meanings are.
Speaker 2: We haven't decoded the civilization that has created these subsurface temples.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that both Hugh jj Ainsworth and
Speaker 2: Andrew Collins have detected is that many, if not most,
Speaker 2: of these underground subsurface temples are observatories of some kind.
Speaker 2: And these t squared columns that were carved have little
Speaker 2: notches and little protrusions and in some cases direct cuts
Speaker 2: where they become sightlines for various constellations, the sun, the moon,
Speaker 2: really observational tools that are now coming to light. We
Speaker 2: didn't really know until just a few years ago what
Speaker 2: these temples were, what these underground temples were. We still
Speaker 2: don't know why they would cover them up to preserve
Speaker 2: them and some of the dates, said Klaus Schmidt. The
Speaker 2: archaeologists who uncovered the first go back to the temple.
Speaker 2: We just don't know what their purpose was, why they
Speaker 2: would dig and cover it up again. You know, it
Speaker 2: suld be nice if we had some writing, if we
Speaker 2: had some kind of way to decode these unusual temples.
Speaker 2: But who was going to bring it all to us today?
Speaker 2: And I have just received the full compliment of slides
Speaker 2: that he is presenting at the upcoming November first Origins conference.
Speaker 2: So if you can't get there via personal passage or
Speaker 2: via streaming media, you can see it on Facebook. We
Speaker 2: got I'll probably post half of the presentation, and he's
Speaker 2: got some brand new slides that are I want to
Speaker 2: say profound, but we don't know if they're profound yet.
Speaker 2: There was a new Man sculpture of a man that
Speaker 2: just was discovered about a couple of months ago. I
Speaker 2: posted it on the Facebook page. These are all very
Speaker 2: very unusual. We were guessing what's going on, and we're
Speaker 2: getting these incredibly old dates. Twelve thousand years ago, fourteen
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, and on and on and on. It
Speaker 2: keeps pushing back. As Graham Hancock likes to say, things
Speaker 2: just keep getting older. So a lot to enjoy. Again,
Speaker 2: if you can't get to the show, at least get
Speaker 2: to the Facebook page and take a look at the
Speaker 2: sculptures that he was presenting at the Origins conference November one,
Speaker 2: so check that out. So today's program is Forgotten Turkey
Speaker 2: and my guest is Hugh Newman. Hey. We're going to
Speaker 2: be in the jungle this December first to the twelfth
Speaker 2: on the Guatemala Sacred Temple tour, and this is an
Speaker 2: opportunity not only to climb pyramids, but to interact with
Speaker 2: the local shaman in understanding what the Maya were up
Speaker 2: to their state of mind and ceremony to connect with
Speaker 2: the sacred temples and pyramids that will interact with This
Speaker 2: is a chance to not only climb pyramids connect with them,
Speaker 2: but also to taking the spirit and the consciousness that
Speaker 2: is the genius of the Maya. If you'd like to
Speaker 2: join us, go to Earthancents dot com, forward slash Tours
Speaker 2: and you'll see all the details. To get details on
Speaker 2: the Guatemala tour, send an email to me at Earth
Speaker 2: Ancients the number four of the letter you at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com and join me for a private zoom conference
Speaker 2: with our hosts Lydia and Arturo di Leong. Again. The
Speaker 2: Guatemala tour is December first to the twelfth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: For more information, go to Earth Agents dot com, forward
Speaker 2: slash Tours or send me an email Earth Agents the
Speaker 2: number four the LETTERU at gmail dot com for a
Speaker 2: discussion on just what we'll be doing. This tour is
Speaker 2: perfect for you. It's that time a year again, and
Speaker 2: I mentioned this most of the time that we have
Speaker 2: a period where we're doing conferences, and we mentioned the
Speaker 2: Italian Conference on Ancient History. It's going to be Italy,
Speaker 2: but we're also sponsors of megal Lithomania's Origins conferences, Hugh
Speaker 2: Newman and family and this I think, and I'll ask
Speaker 2: you this question in a minute. I think we've been
Speaker 2: sponsoring for at least three or four years and he's
Speaker 2: always got a good lineup. Hughes traveled the world. He
Speaker 2: knows who's who, and there's good speakers all over the
Speaker 2: place and he typically has them. And so we want
Speaker 2: to have Hugh on the program for a few hours
Speaker 2: to talk about not only Origins but also his latest
Speaker 2: discoveries in Turkey and what he's uncovered. So, hey, you
Speaker 2: how you doing? Man, good to see it.
Speaker 1: I'm great, Cliff, how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. Well. You're in England right now, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean England you and are kind of not
Speaker 3: too far from Stonehenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always say that, you know, when I came
Speaker 2: out to visit you, it's like, what's the city that
Speaker 2: you're in? Is it Stone? Is it that the city
Speaker 2: called Stonehenge?
Speaker 3: It's in I mean technically we're in Stonehenge, you know.
Speaker 2: In the in the inner works that they would consider
Speaker 2: the grounds of Stonehenge.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we're close to the Stonehenge and we are
Speaker 3: to Amesbury, which is the local small town, so it's
Speaker 3: village really and so yeah, so technically, you know with Stonehenge, really,
Speaker 3: can you.
Speaker 2: Walk to the actual facility from your home?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's like fifteen minute walk.
Speaker 2: God they let people live there, but I guess you're
Speaker 2: the village has probably been there for a thousand years, right.
Speaker 3: These are the you know, these are the homes, the
Speaker 3: houses that where people would look after Stonehenge and lived.
Speaker 3: This is like the custodian kind of homes. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so this is like you know traditionally where you know
Speaker 3: next door. We've got National Trust to kind of run
Speaker 3: the whole landscape. I see, it's a fascinating place to live.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that it's haunted as hell, but it
Speaker 3: is really kind of it's called I love the megaliths.
Speaker 1: So this is like the ultimate place to be.
Speaker 2: Really, it's hard to do. You have the dead bodies
Speaker 2: around of the workers over thousands of years. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on.
Speaker 3: But it's some weird stuff, but it's all good, nothing
Speaker 3: to worry about.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. Hey, well talk about origines this year.
Speaker 2: You have a great lineup. You have like one of
Speaker 2: my favorite people, Robert Temple, Andrew Collins, Deborah Cartwright, and
Speaker 2: then you have Filippo Bioni and Armando May to come
Speaker 2: back and talk about I guess they're going to talk
Speaker 2: about the stars, scans of the Pyramids or what's new
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they've got some good stuff. I mean that
Speaker 3: they're constantly updating, you know, Amando or Filipo. So we're
Speaker 3: delighted they're coming over. We met him a few times
Speaker 3: this year and gone really well at a really good
Speaker 3: time as well, so that's kind of cool. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: but they've got they're gonna have new stuff to share
Speaker 3: origins as well, so we're looking forward to that. They've
Speaker 3: just been at a conference in America where they are
Speaker 3: getting now backing from people like.
Speaker 1: Chris Dunn and others.
Speaker 3: So that's really cool, and I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people are now realizing these are kind of you know,
Speaker 3: serious people, you know when it comes to this kind
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, what they have is groundbreaking. In fact,
Speaker 2: I'm having Graham Hancock on the program at the end
Speaker 2: of the year. He does not really feel strong enough
Speaker 2: about the star tech to comment on it, but I've
Speaker 2: discovered that The military has been using it for years,
Speaker 2: a similar type of scanning equipment, which I thought was
Speaker 2: quite quite interesting. In fact, it's one of those top
Speaker 2: secret UH applications that they use for bunker busting. They
Speaker 2: can pierce the ground and go I think a mile underground.
Speaker 2: Let me share the screen?
Speaker 1: Should I?
Speaker 3: Should I share my screen? I'll get some good graphics
Speaker 3: and stuff. Yeah, Yea'll do that. So I let's try that.
Speaker 3: I've got to send request, so we're gonna have to
Speaker 3: edit this bit out unfortunately, but.
Speaker 1: You go give me like here go, You're good to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's too, that's just maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyhow, we had an Armando on res and
Speaker 2: he is still blowing people away with what he's showing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because you heard Zahi jas on
Speaker 2: Rogan's program saying it's not valid. What they're showing is
Speaker 2: not valid.
Speaker 3: You know, I was like, christ, Yeah, I find that
Speaker 3: strange because you know this is you know that you know,
Speaker 3: Filipo's a scientist for starters, He's been doing analysis underground
Speaker 3: of other things in Italy and other places for years.
Speaker 3: So this isn't like he's just you know, jumped on
Speaker 3: a bandwagon. He's just got his genuine interest in all
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. And so we're you know, when
Speaker 3: I actually met them and interviewed them at a long
Speaker 3: interview them, I realized that, you know, these guys are
Speaker 3: for real. They're not like Amanda's got some more kind
Speaker 3: of incredible ideas going back deep into history and what
Speaker 3: they could be used for.
Speaker 1: But I think there's something going on there.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I havn't met The Origins conference is excellent.
Speaker 3: It's the first time doing stuff in Britain or in England.
Speaker 3: So and and are.
Speaker 1: They going to Yeah, they're coming over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're flying them over coming in a
Speaker 3: couple of days. Before we're going to we might do
Speaker 3: a little press conference. We're going to do a press
Speaker 3: release because they're going to bring some new data to
Speaker 3: the to the event, so we're going to make that
Speaker 3: kind of you know, make a special deal out of it.
Speaker 3: Andrew's obviously Andrew Collins. He's got his republished updated book.
Speaker 3: He's got the you know, Beneath the Pyramids coming out,
Speaker 3: you know, so that's going to be fully updated with
Speaker 3: all the new data and everything else.
Speaker 2: Beneath the Pyramids, the Kids of the pyramids are.
Speaker 3: The tunnels, initially the tunnels and caves that he discovered
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and so that's the that's one
Speaker 3: of the main thrust. And he's written live you know,
Speaker 3: several you know, forty extra pages of all the new
Speaker 3: data of how it all fits in it. Obviously we
Speaker 3: went under there, went into the cave system last November,
Speaker 3: not long before this Saskan stuff will kind of blasted
Speaker 3: onto the scene. So yeah, so yeah, he's going to
Speaker 3: be doing that there. And so we've got a bit
Speaker 3: of an Egyptian thing obviously with Robert Temple as well.
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to be bringing some of his
Speaker 3: you know, I think he's quite intrigued of the whole
Speaker 3: kind of SARSCAN thing and how it fits in with
Speaker 3: his data and stuff. He's being researched. And I'm just
Speaker 3: notably in his book Egyptian Dawn, well he was looking
Speaker 3: on he was looking underground, not just at the Cyris Shaft,
Speaker 3: but on all these chambers, all these you know, what
Speaker 3: we thought were Pulley systems going under the Valley Temple
Speaker 3: and everything else.
Speaker 2: So you saying that when he wrote that book, which
Speaker 2: is probably twenty years old, that he had a sense
Speaker 2: of underground chambers and tunnels and things.
Speaker 3: Well, he was one of the first people to really
Speaker 3: go into the Asiris shaft and do analysis there. But
Speaker 3: then he found more evidence of other places under you know,
Speaker 3: around the Valley Temple, around the Sphinx and other such
Speaker 3: things that he was looking into the shafts, which are
Speaker 3: becoming a big deal for Filipo and Armando in the
Speaker 3: Cafre research project. And so yeah, so there's a lot
Speaker 3: to consider, you know. So we're going to get into
Speaker 3: all this obviously at the conference. But obviously we're going
Speaker 3: to be going into what we're going to be talking
Speaker 3: about today all the new stuff coming out of Southeast Turkey,
Speaker 3: because there's a huge amount of stuff. I mean, JJ
Speaker 3: is going to be looking at all the symbolism JJ
Speaker 3: Ainsworth and her new analysis of super ancient sites even
Speaker 3: older than older than quebeculey Tepe in other parts of
Speaker 3: the world. I'm going to be looking at the solstices.
Speaker 3: Because of our discovery of the Carahan Tepe witness solstice,
Speaker 3: I found evidence going way way back. I'm going to
Speaker 3: be presenting all this at the Conference of Solstices, going
Speaker 3: back into Paleolithic times and this obsession with it and
Speaker 3: now that really became a thing which ended up at
Speaker 3: places like Carahan Tepe. So people think the oldest solstice
Speaker 3: is like Stonehenge and places like this, but it's not.
Speaker 3: There's something there's something much more profound, much more ancient
Speaker 3: going on. So yeah, we're going to be digging into
Speaker 3: all that. And one of the other guys we've got,
Speaker 3: his professor, David Jackson. He is fascinating. He's actually doing
Speaker 3: a dig here in October near me, and he's been
Speaker 3: working on the Mesolithic again the same era as Beckley
Speaker 3: Tepe really but in England around Stonehenge and a cycle
Speaker 3: blick Mead, but also at Stonehenge, which I'm going to
Speaker 3: be talking about. You know that they had solstice alignments.
Speaker 3: They're ten thousand years ago. But he's going to be
Speaker 3: you know, he's now working on a new project. Hopefully
Speaker 3: we're going to get all the updates and that is
Speaker 3: literally starting this month in October, and yeah, I' going
Speaker 3: to be meeting him before the conference. He's going to
Speaker 3: be staying really near me, so I'll get some exclusive
Speaker 3: some updates on what he's looking at here because I
Speaker 3: think they found a whole load more stuff in the
Speaker 3: whole kind of Stonehenge landscape as well.
Speaker 2: I want to mention that you also have Debbie Cartwright
Speaker 2: who will be one of our guests I think in
Speaker 2: a week or so promoting the actual conference. I want
Speaker 2: to also remind you guys listening the website say to
Speaker 2: get more information is Origins Conference dot co dot uk.
Speaker 2: And also Hugh talk a little bit about the streaming package.
Speaker 2: If people obviously can't get there, they can get on
Speaker 2: there and pay. I think you said it was fifty
Speaker 2: three dollars US to pay for the streaming and streaming
Speaker 2: live correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, So what we do is we've got a multi
Speaker 3: camera set up, We've got a whole whole kind of
Speaker 3: a really good team, a really good wo'll be doing
Speaker 3: it with us for years. They get their blood professional
Speaker 3: former TV guys and so there he will be doing
Speaker 3: it live, you know with all the slides, bloody Die
Speaker 3: everything else. But also people can then watch the archive
Speaker 3: you know, at their leisure forever basically, And so we
Speaker 3: don't put these up on YouTube for about six months
Speaker 3: or a year, but they will eventually be up free.
Speaker 3: But by then all the new stuff's come out by then.
Speaker 3: So we recommend people check it out because you know,
Speaker 3: we put a lot of a lot of time and
Speaker 3: effort into kind of getting these really cool speakers, right.
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting a really good set up.
Speaker 2: In the venue.
Speaker 1: It all looks really good.
Speaker 3: We've got you know, good quality sound, and.
Speaker 2: You're capturing the screen images as well, the slide present
Speaker 2: presentations are. So you're going you're editing clean editing between
Speaker 2: the speaker and the screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do live editing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's killer. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: worth fifty three dollars is nothing.
Speaker 1: That's nothing.
Speaker 2: That's I don't know how you're making any funny, but
Speaker 2: I appreciate that number. So so let me think, now,
Speaker 2: if it's at ten am in England, that's going to
Speaker 2: be at night in the US, so it's.
Speaker 3: A bit more leisurely in the US. You have a
Speaker 3: lion that day and watch it, you know.
Speaker 2: So exactly, So what November first is Saturday?
Speaker 3: Right November the first year, we're you know, people who
Speaker 3: want to come to the conference, we're actually doing a
Speaker 3: Avebury tour, you know, the largest stone circle in the
Speaker 3: world on the Sunday, So we do a little walk about.
Speaker 3: We will get together. Andrew is probably going to be
Speaker 3: leading it. We're going to have other special guests there
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Get out and about as well, you know, even though
Speaker 3: it's going to be like the winter but not it
Speaker 3: won't be too freezing by there. But yeah, so but
Speaker 3: the live stream and he has forty UK pounds or
Speaker 3: it's ends up being like fifty three bucks or something
Speaker 3: like that, so it's very reasonable. Plus you get access
Speaker 3: to it, you know, we do give access to other things.
Speaker 3: We might get a few exclusive little interviews while we're
Speaker 3: there as well. It will only be available on the
Speaker 3: stream and things like that. So yeah, people can check
Speaker 3: it out at Origins Conference dot co dot uk and
Speaker 3: you know, they can get in touch with me via
Speaker 3: the website as well.
Speaker 2: And which number is this? Is this the tenth annual
Speaker 2: Origins I can't remember how far? Yes?
Speaker 3: Is No, Well, we don't do it every year. We
Speaker 3: started in twenty thirteen, oh in London for a while. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been a while, but we skipped a few years,
Speaker 3: we don't. You know, this is just a kind of
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of a passion project. Really, We
Speaker 3: just you know, megaliths mainly is our big thing. We
Speaker 3: do you know, to two day three days of tours
Speaker 3: on top of that every May. But this is kind
Speaker 3: of a thing we wanted to get more into the
Speaker 3: deep origins of civilization, not necessarily just talk about megaliths,
Speaker 3: other things as well, you know, kind of going into
Speaker 3: consciousness and you know, you know, astronomy and things like that.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of why we set out myself and
Speaker 3: Andrew back in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Right, So before I let you go, where is it
Speaker 2: held and if people want to get overnight accommodations, is
Speaker 2: it an airbnb or is there a hotel, a proper
Speaker 2: hotel in that area?
Speaker 3: There are some, Yeah, there were a few hotels, and
Speaker 3: not actually directly and pusy funnily enough where we do it.
Speaker 3: But there's a train station, so people come in for
Speaker 3: the day. Mainly they just come in from London or
Speaker 3: anywhere in the country and it's a major train station
Speaker 3: just in the small town. So and there's lots of
Speaker 3: the surrounding towns. There's loads of hotels and things like that,
Speaker 3: but generally people come here for the day or if
Speaker 3: they're you know, driving in, they stay over somewhere nearby.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's kind of cool and there's lots of
Speaker 3: pubs and curry houses.
Speaker 2: Used to visit London and visit the British Museum, which
Speaker 2: is just worth your you're coming in.
Speaker 3: It's also like, you know, Bristol. If they're flying in,
Speaker 3: you can fly into Bristol. It's not too far away.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's easy to get to. Basically, we've got
Speaker 3: a giant car parks. You know, people can just drive
Speaker 3: in and stay there. It's totally fine. We've got really
Speaker 3: good caterers as well. We've got this really cool team.
Speaker 3: We do the really nice food and proper coffee, which
Speaker 3: is useful when you're listening to seven or eight hours
Speaker 3: of lectures. But yeah, it does, you know. So we've
Speaker 3: got it covered basically.
Speaker 2: So what are you charging converted to us? What's what's
Speaker 2: the fee to get in for the day.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I can't remember, Tom.
Speaker 3: I think it's about six sixty I think it's about
Speaker 3: fifty five pounds. I believe about seventy dollars something like bugs.
Speaker 2: You're including hood with that, No, no, no, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hey, it's compared to American conferences it's pretty easy.
Speaker 3: It's here god yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really cheap, but
Speaker 3: maybe eighty bucks by the time.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Dig it out some goldon stonehead or something to keep
Speaker 2: going like, but we.
Speaker 3: Just get Luckily, we get quite a lot of people coming,
Speaker 3: so it kind of comes it a lot of people
Speaker 3: on the on the live stream. But yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: we have a we have a good time. It's a
Speaker 3: nice little winter get together over sam Hay and Halloween time.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone can kind of get together. And it's
Speaker 3: one of the things I like about conferences as well,
Speaker 3: a bit like the tours, but more the conferences because
Speaker 3: you have like one hundred and two hundred people all
Speaker 3: turning up haven't seen each other for months now. We'll
Speaker 3: get to hang out, you know, we all get to
Speaker 3: hang out and kind of hear the latest stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: share ideas, Yeah, sign a few books, this, that and
Speaker 3: the other.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a good it's a good vibe. Excellent.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about your latest discoveries. You're going
Speaker 2: to be presenting at the conference as well. Origins Conference
Speaker 2: and you are the Quebecy teppee boy is all I
Speaker 2: can think of it used to be Coylin Andrews. Now
Speaker 2: it's you and there's been some discoveries there and once
Speaker 2: you talk a little bit about the latest research that
Speaker 2: you have Encourverreed.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean the whole area, which has become
Speaker 3: known as Tastapola, which basically means Stone Hills, is growing.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking you know, for a while, a
Speaker 3: long while, there was only Quebec lee Tepe that was
Speaker 3: the big site, dates to eleven thousand, six hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: Now we've got Carahan Tepe, the Saber. There's some sites
Speaker 3: that are just being started to be excavated, like habet
Speaker 3: Zu van Cepe, Tepe Chak Mac Tape, even a jan
Speaker 3: Lahoyec as well, which we'll talk about shortly.
Speaker 1: So there's a whole load.
Speaker 3: Of stuff kind of going on there, and it's stretching,
Speaker 3: you know, into a wide area which I call a
Speaker 3: super civilization. That's going to be kind of title of
Speaker 3: the next book that me and JJ are working on.
Speaker 3: But if we started to Beckley Tape, for instance, because
Speaker 3: there's actually brand new stuff coming out of there, and
Speaker 3: there's more controversies coming out of there as well, which
Speaker 3: I think are going to surprise people. Obviously we've got
Speaker 3: the main the main enclosures that everyone knows about. There's
Speaker 3: talk now of a new GPR scan is going to
Speaker 3: be taking place. This is there's one that was done
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen or between twenty twelve and twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: But they're going to be doing a new scan ground
Speaker 3: penetrating radiar and then they're going to decide what they're
Speaker 3: going to do next. Because there's all the olive trees,
Speaker 3: which was a big controversy, they've all now gone.
Speaker 2: There's going to be stuff if just for a minute
Speaker 2: you there's been a lot of discussion of corporations buying
Speaker 2: the facility and not excavating anymore. Apparently I can't remember
Speaker 2: who was talking about it, but it was it's gotten
Speaker 2: it to the point where it's a museum rather than
Speaker 2: an archaeological site. What's the story on that.
Speaker 1: Yes, so there's been a lot of debate.
Speaker 3: There's a gentleman called Jimmy Corsetti, Yes, thank you. Does
Speaker 3: Bright Insight is a very interesting chat. He's been really
Speaker 3: pushing because he's done a lot of research on it.
Speaker 3: I kind of assisted him with a little bit of
Speaker 3: that actually, and he's found that there's an involvement from
Speaker 3: the w EF, the World Economic Forum. They had a
Speaker 3: big thing about Coebecley Tappe and Davos when they had
Speaker 3: the big meeting there. He's found out over twenty million
Speaker 3: of funding euros has come in and they kind of
Speaker 3: it's almost started seeing saying they slowed down the excavation,
Speaker 3: are focused on conservation and tourism and building all this
Speaker 3: stuff over the site, which is some new stuff. I'm
Speaker 3: going to show you that, which is a bit I'm
Speaker 3: not too keen on that.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm interrupting you is that Corsetti showed some
Speaker 2: photos of these olive trees planted on the archaeological site.
Speaker 2: It's like frit Scene who allowed that.
Speaker 1: They've been there.
Speaker 3: They've been there for years. I mean, they've been there
Speaker 3: since I've been going there. Oh and I think I
Speaker 3: think it wasn't I don't think it was when they
Speaker 3: were when they were planting. It was planted by the
Speaker 3: family to improve improve the soil, improve the kind of
Speaker 3: increase the value of the site so.
Speaker 1: They get more commission and things like this.
Speaker 3: But then they realized, you know, there's a debate as
Speaker 3: to whether they realized they causing damage underneath, or whether
Speaker 3: Jimmy pushed forward to kind of get them removed. But
Speaker 3: whatever happened, you know, I think Jimmy was doing the
Speaker 3: right thing and bringing that to people's attention. And now
Speaker 3: they've removed all of them, and so now they're going
Speaker 3: to do a GPR scan, which is fascinating it and
Speaker 3: they've actually, as we'll see in a moment, they've changed
Speaker 3: some of the pathways.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guests today. Hugh Newman coming to us from
Speaker 2: London and he is discussing the New Origins Conference November
Speaker 2: one of this year. Will be right back. My guest
Speaker 2: today is Hugh Newman. He is a author, research investigator
Speaker 2: and has made a personal study of Quebecle Teppe, Carahan
Speaker 2: Teppe and many of the unusual sites that are found
Speaker 2: in northern Turkey. So I was there two years ago
Speaker 2: and you're saying that they have removed all of the
Speaker 2: olive trees on all sides of the area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole site, the whole site has now kind
Speaker 3: of gone none left. I mean there's a few handful left.
Speaker 3: That's it, just a few, so it's not too much really.
Speaker 2: So what's the latest discoveries talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: what they have uncovered.
Speaker 3: Well, well, when we were there this if you look
Speaker 3: at this, this discovery was found in the wall. If
Speaker 3: people can see this image, there's you know, it's quite
Speaker 3: well known. You can google, you can see it online.
Speaker 3: They found this human statue is about three feet long
Speaker 3: inside a wall. The one in the middle is actually
Speaker 3: a representation of another statue was found several years ago,
Speaker 3: which is similar to it, and they've kind of put
Speaker 3: that now in the museum. So people don't know whether
Speaker 3: because it was placed in the wall, it was some
Speaker 3: kind of votive offering or whether it was just used
Speaker 3: to as a you know, it was knackled old bit
Speaker 3: of stone and they used it as a brick in
Speaker 3: a wall, you know, which I think it's quite interesting.
Speaker 3: So there's different debates about what that is. But often,
Speaker 3: you know, when you're placing stuff like that, it's like
Speaker 3: it's in the foundations, and so it to me it
Speaker 3: feels like although it's probably added later after the main
Speaker 3: site of being constructed, it is has meaning.
Speaker 1: It's not just placed there randomly.
Speaker 3: And I think that I think that that's my opinion
Speaker 3: on it, based upon other stuff they found which has
Speaker 3: been placed in walls at other sites and things like
Speaker 3: this which seem to have meaning as well. But what
Speaker 3: they're meaning is, we don't know. But it doesn't have
Speaker 3: any legs. It's like hands sort of coming up. It's
Speaker 3: almost coming up the front like this, not really touching
Speaker 3: the navel, they're kind of coming up the front. And
Speaker 3: it's got a kind of unusual, kind of almost alien
Speaker 3: like head on it, which we find in many of
Speaker 3: the statues at quebecley Tepe. But while we were there
Speaker 3: this was being discovered and so that we found this
Speaker 3: quite intriguing, and soon after, you know, and then it
Speaker 3: got announced like two days after we were there in
Speaker 3: September twenty twenty five. While we were there, we were
Speaker 3: noticing that there's lots of construction works taking place inside
Speaker 3: Enclosure C at quebeculey Tepe. This is one of the
Speaker 3: main enclosures that everyone looks at. The Closure D is
Speaker 3: the main one which in the background that you can
Speaker 3: see there, but Enclosure see, they're actually like rebuilding the
Speaker 3: walls and rebuilding the ta pillars of the main tea
Speaker 3: pillar inside the site, actually gluing it back together like
Speaker 3: a jigsaw. As you can see here, they're kind of
Speaker 3: like just piecing it back together, which I thought was
Speaker 3: very odd. But and the problem is this wall you
Speaker 3: see that they're rebuilding is going over some of the
Speaker 3: tea pillars and actually covering up some of the three
Speaker 3: D reliefs, which really surprised me because this wall. They
Speaker 3: think that basically the walls were placed there between the
Speaker 3: tea pillars the very early earliest point of construction in
Speaker 3: nine thousand and six hundred BC. There's no actual evidence
Speaker 3: of that. There's no evidence that these walls weren't added
Speaker 3: later just to hold things up and kind of separate
Speaker 3: the enclosures. And so because you wouldn't create these three
Speaker 3: D reliefs and then build a wall straight over it,
Speaker 3: maybe in a few generations you might have done it
Speaker 3: just to kind of prop up the stones. So we
Speaker 3: don't know what if they're reconstructing it, if it's actually
Speaker 3: based on the original design, because they haven't actually excavated
Speaker 3: below these walls and further down, so they could be
Speaker 3: building over actual excavation, which needs to be done, which
Speaker 3: will never see again now because these are permanent. So
Speaker 3: there is a bit of an issue going on there.
Speaker 3: We even had the Japanese princess turn up and just
Speaker 3: a couple of days after we were there, and she
Speaker 3: kind of was having a look. She was also involved
Speaker 3: in the archaeological project because as a Japanese team taken
Speaker 3: over one of the test table of sites. But as
Speaker 3: you can see you see in the back there it
Speaker 3: actually reconstructed the t pillar step back together.
Speaker 1: Yes it's massive.
Speaker 3: And so here's here's a couple of shot, some shots
Speaker 3: before and after. You see that, you know on the
Speaker 3: left side of both pictures.
Speaker 2: Quickly do they think that these tea pillars were purposely
Speaker 2: damaged and crushed two or a collapsed so that they
Speaker 2: could cover them up?
Speaker 3: These were these were destroyed before the site was closed
Speaker 3: down years ago. So this is a part is what
Speaker 3: we see a Carahan tape where the site itself is
Speaker 3: almost deliberately damaged. We see another view of it here.
Speaker 3: Wow big, I mean there's a big. These are a
Speaker 3: massive the's like eighteen feet tall roughly. So these are beasts,
Speaker 3: you know, so that you know, and the bedrock you
Speaker 3: see the sort of bedrock. There's like a bedrock pedestal
Speaker 3: there that's that's all carved down from bedrock. So there's
Speaker 3: like massive bedrock carving going on here. And I believe
Speaker 3: even around the edge they had a curb kind of
Speaker 3: coming around the edge which they would slot the tea
Speaker 3: pillars in before the walls were built. You can actually
Speaker 3: see that in this reconstruction. If you look on the
Speaker 3: left hand side, you can see that there's like a
Speaker 3: bedrock curb. I can show pick within the bedrock itself.
Speaker 3: And got another image here before and after. That's the
Speaker 3: back of the tea pillar and you can actually see
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a bit rough. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like being damaged and things like that, but it gives you,
Speaker 3: it gives you some impression, you know. And I think
Speaker 3: they're going to be doing more and more of this reconstruction,
Speaker 3: but I just hope they don't do too much where
Speaker 3: they then building over the archaeology where they could be
Speaker 3: discoveries to be made. And you also have to question,
Speaker 3: why are they spending time and money on this when
Speaker 3: ninety or to ninety five percent of the site has
Speaker 3: not been excavated. You know, they could just be doing that.
Speaker 3: Why an't they doing that? And so that that baffle
Speaker 3: has always baffled me.
Speaker 1: Well, we got to.
Speaker 2: Admit this because they have spent a hell of a
Speaker 2: lot of money on this huge enclosure and so they
Speaker 2: probably want to get as much tourism as they can
Speaker 2: out of the things. So they're making this thing that
Speaker 2: the prime object object to go to go view.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, no, for sure, you know, but but you
Speaker 3: know one of the things, Yeah, it tidies it up
Speaker 3: as well. You look at that, you look at like
Speaker 3: you could basically see like the floor. Now it's a
Speaker 3: lot more tidy, tidy it up. They put this all
Speaker 3: this rubble back together basically. So in a way it
Speaker 3: makes sense, you know, it's like a logical They're doing
Speaker 3: it at Carahan Tepe already we can see some of
Speaker 3: the enclosures they will look at shortly, and so it
Speaker 3: makes sense. But I'm just concerned about the walls mainly
Speaker 3: being built, you know, being rebuilt, because these are covering
Speaker 3: up stuff they haven't even excavated yet, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: so this is where the issue comes in, Hugh.
Speaker 2: Is it because they have found artifacts close to the
Speaker 2: wall area and you're you're thinking they should be digging
Speaker 2: deeper or what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just haven't got down to the bedrock in
Speaker 3: a lot of places, so there's going to be stuff there.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a porthole stone at the back end
Speaker 3: of Enclosure Sea, which was Andrew and I suppoted back
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, and it's just in the rubble and
Speaker 3: that's just being forgotten about. And there's rubbable now going
Speaker 3: over the top of it. And that should have been
Speaker 3: placed in this new wall because that would have been
Speaker 3: the northern orientation they you know. So there's issues like that.
Speaker 3: But one of the interesting things that I've noticed, you know,
Speaker 3: when you look at this, it's actually confirmed something I
Speaker 3: was researching before that, and that is the geometry I
Speaker 3: found that they it's almost like they've tied in it
Speaker 3: up and you can see more of the enclosure, and
Speaker 3: it's actually confirmed what I was saying all along that
Speaker 3: enclosure to see it as a very specific geometry, which
Speaker 3: is called a flat and circle modified type B based
Speaker 3: upon the work of Alexander tom and the British dose circles.
Speaker 3: So that made my day. You know that that is
Speaker 3: now being confirmed. But also we have Enclosure D, which
Speaker 3: is behind it that's now been tided up. There's there's
Speaker 3: been all the new discoveries with the Boor statue, which
Speaker 3: we'll look at in a moment, but that is now
Speaker 3: proved that there's a geometry there which we can see here.
Speaker 3: And this this back again backs up my theory that
Speaker 3: they were working with very sophisticated, very very specific types
Speaker 3: of geometry based upon the work of Alexander tom and
Speaker 3: the stone circles he decoded in the British Aisles, and
Speaker 3: so that is quite interesting. So the more they clear away,
Speaker 3: the more they excavate, the more they kind of tidy
Speaker 3: things up, the more shapes come out, which seem to
Speaker 3: just keep coming up with these specific geometries. We get
Speaker 3: that and Enclosure B as well in Enclosure A and
Speaker 3: where you know, since more's being cleared up, it's shown
Speaker 3: that it's an egg shape, a very specific egg shape
Speaker 3: that we find, you know, in other stone circles around
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm quite intrigued by all this.
Speaker 3: There's a you know, there's a negative side, where why
Speaker 3: aren't they doing more excavation, Why are they rebuilding all
Speaker 3: this stuff? But at the same time it's clearing stuff
Speaker 3: away it's revealing the geometries, it's revealing these new discoveries.
Speaker 3: So there's a it's two sides to the coin. I
Speaker 3: think you've got to look at it both ways. Let's
Speaker 3: just hope with this big GPR scan that they're planning
Speaker 3: to do this month apparently, that they'll find more and
Speaker 3: they'll be able to actually dig deeper and they'll be
Speaker 3: able to actually be able to have a look at
Speaker 3: what's going on kind of under the ground there a
Speaker 3: little bit more. Mean, they did the scan years ago,
Speaker 3: but I think they need that they've got better technology,
Speaker 3: they're going to do it again, so I think that
Speaker 3: I think that's the key.
Speaker 2: I'm curious your theory that this is something that relates
Speaker 2: to Tom's work. Was there a roof on these enclosures
Speaker 2: or not, because if they're doing sight skins into the sky,
Speaker 2: they can't have a roof. They have to have either
Speaker 2: a sight line that opens up somewhere or no roof
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: Well, No, it depends because you know you've got if
Speaker 3: it is all about the walls, right, because if the
Speaker 3: wolves aren't there, they're not blocking anything. You can see
Speaker 3: in between the outer tea pillars in the outer ring,
Speaker 3: you know, into the horizon. So a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of the stuff I've been looking at and jj
Speaker 3: is horizon astronomy, like the sun and the moon rising
Speaker 3: or setting on the horizon. So you don't even if
Speaker 3: it had a roof will make any difference because you're
Speaker 3: looking through like a gap, like a window between two That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm wondering, if it's like a you know, a
Speaker 2: sight line of somekin.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are speculations that there were roofs, obviously
Speaker 3: that this has been put forward by various kind of archaeologists,
Speaker 3: but there's no evidence. All they found is two negatives
Speaker 3: where they think two poles may have once existed. But
Speaker 3: it's now been proven that this fell down from the
Speaker 3: higher up elevation of the later structures, which we know
Speaker 3: had roofs on them.
Speaker 1: These are small square and.
Speaker 3: Structs square structures, and so there's no direct evidence. But
Speaker 3: we've proven over and over again, and we can look
Speaker 3: at that Carahan tape shortly that even with roofs it
Speaker 3: won't affect the kind of astronomy we're looking at because
Speaker 3: there's going to be gaps in the outer walls between
Speaker 3: the tea pillars, the in the you know, the outer ring,
Speaker 3: so makes no difference. But the other problem is is
Speaker 3: that we've had engineers, structural engineers join us on our
Speaker 3: tours there and they've looked at it, and so they
Speaker 3: can't be a root because all the tea pillars are
Speaker 3: slightly different heights and there's no damage on top of them.
Speaker 3: There would be there's a wood place on top of them,
Speaker 3: and they're not structural, They're just not structural. These are
Speaker 3: more symbolic, you know, And these tea pillars might look structural,
Speaker 3: but they're not very shallow pits, very shallow sockets.
Speaker 1: So if there was.
Speaker 3: Any wind or rain or movement, it would knock all
Speaker 3: the tea pillars over, you know, especially the central ones.
Speaker 3: So it wouldn't really function like that. I mean, but
Speaker 3: again we're speculating as much as the archaeologist are speculating
Speaker 3: that there was a roof, you know, because there's no
Speaker 3: evidence to back it up as such.
Speaker 2: Yet, are you guys still holding to the cover ded
Speaker 2: at twelve thousand years ago where they covered it up
Speaker 2: or is it gotten in the order?
Speaker 3: Well, the old dates, they've got a close to nine thousand,
Speaker 3: six hundred BC as their construction dates and then around
Speaker 3: eight thousand b C or thereabouts they started. But there
Speaker 3: were slope slides that filled in that enclosure d and
Speaker 3: some of the enclosures, so there was a natural kind
Speaker 3: of infilling. They cleared them out, they did repairs and
Speaker 3: things like this. This is in prehistory, and then they
Speaker 3: deliberately covered up the rest of the site. This is
Speaker 3: pretty much improven now. It's so, you know, there's there
Speaker 3: was this big debate that these slope slides buried the
Speaker 3: entire site, but that's that's literally impossible because there's you
Speaker 3: can't slope slide upwards. You know, there's there's stuff above
Speaker 3: where the slope slide happened, phil that are being placed
Speaker 3: there by people and so and Krahan Tepa. There's a
Speaker 3: scientific paper by the head archaeologist Nesmi Keral who's proven
Speaker 3: beyond doubt that there was a deliberate burial there as well.
Speaker 3: And so we pretty much know that for a fact
Speaker 3: that you know, both these sites and other test Temple
Speaker 3: of sites, this is this is in fact, how they've
Speaker 3: been preserved so well.
Speaker 1: Is that they were buried, you know.
Speaker 3: But weirdly, the building of the people at the site
Speaker 3: damaged it some of the site, some of the site
Speaker 3: then buried it. So it's annoying, you know, yeah, but
Speaker 3: not all of it. Some of it got preserved, some
Speaker 3: of it even got reconstructed.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: When I was there a couple of years ago, I mean,
Speaker 2: the main pit was open. But you're saying that Gorbeckley
Speaker 2: Tepe consists of what twelve pits.
Speaker 3: There's there's a well, there's there's about five or so
Speaker 3: enclosures are being uncovered. These are the main ones, the
Speaker 3: main ones in the southeast depression, but they started on
Speaker 3: some other ones in the northwest but not continued them.
Speaker 3: It just some years ago and so no, very very little.
Speaker 3: You know, technically, there's some smaller ones going heading west
Speaker 3: from the main enclosure. You can actually see that on
Speaker 3: the scan. You can see it going to the enclosure
Speaker 3: f which has got interesting a summer solstice alignment, and
Speaker 3: some other ones. They're smaller later enclosures. Some of those
Speaker 3: are being excavated. But as you see on just the
Speaker 3: scan they did like ten to fifteen years ago, there's
Speaker 3: giant enclosures under there. They're not they're thinking they might
Speaker 3: not excavate, which I cannot believe. This is one of
Speaker 3: the things Jimmy Corsett has been talking about, Look, why
Speaker 3: aren't they excavating this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I had twelve million dollars. What's that
Speaker 2: money going towards?
Speaker 3: And twenty million euros at least, oh euros is what
Speaker 3: we're talking about. That's conservation, that's building the visitors center
Speaker 3: and things like that. Stuff like that's what that's been
Speaker 3: spent on, you know. And so there's a potentially twenty
Speaker 3: one enclosures now that's the theory that and only five
Speaker 3: or six are being excavated, you know, started to be
Speaker 3: looked at properly, and so the potential is insane. I
Speaker 3: mean what baffles me is that we have some archaeologists
Speaker 3: who are saying, oh, you don't need to dig anymore,
Speaker 3: We've got enough information. But I don't buy that because
Speaker 3: you look at what's happening at carahand Teppe and say Birch.
Speaker 3: They're discovering constantly daily whilst they're pushing forward with the
Speaker 3: excavations at those sites, and so it kind of makes
Speaker 3: you wonder what on Earth is going on and why
Speaker 3: they want to slow it down when they could really
Speaker 3: be speeding it up, you know, with all the interest,
Speaker 3: all the money that's coming into the country.
Speaker 1: I just hope they do, you know. I just hope there's.
Speaker 3: More done at Quebecley Tepp, and I hope this GPR
Speaker 3: scan they're planning reveals more and they can actually kind
Speaker 3: of go into where they've removed the olive trees and
Speaker 3: actually start digging.
Speaker 2: Excellent, Hey, let's go to carahand Teppy. I had a
Speaker 2: chance to see it in an early phase a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. I wanted to ask you they found
Speaker 2: a human skull there. I think it was there, and
Speaker 2: to my mind, I think I read that it was
Speaker 2: petrified stone, which means it is it would have a
Speaker 2: great age. I have not heard anything since in the
Speaker 2: last twenty four months about there. Do you any information.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know about a petrified skull.
Speaker 3: I know they found bones and skeletons and skulls. They
Speaker 3: found them at say Birch as well.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine it to be petrified unless it was
Speaker 3: just buried in you know, rock and dirt and things
Speaker 3: like this. But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But
Speaker 3: this is like but they're finding a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: on the top of the hill. Now this is the enclosure,
Speaker 3: the main enclosure. This is brand new photos of the
Speaker 3: enclosure at the top of the hill, just to give
Speaker 3: it a perspective that that's the site. It's a bit
Speaker 3: of a rough photo. But now they're pushing up the
Speaker 3: hill and excavating more and more up there, so there's
Speaker 3: quite a lot. There's quite a lot still being uncovered. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we know about the seven and a half foot human
Speaker 3: statue holding its phalus with the ribs and the kind
Speaker 3: of almost sphinx like beard, and the porthole stone, and
Speaker 3: we have this dude as well. We have the kind
Speaker 3: of the vulture that was found in that particular enclosure.
Speaker 3: But what is really fascinating to me is this they've
Speaker 3: they're now really they've really gone to work on this
Speaker 3: top enclosure where this statue and this vulture were found,
Speaker 3: and they're revealing these really interesting scenario where the bedrock
Speaker 3: cut bedrock floor, giant tea pillars in the center, twelve
Speaker 3: ta pillars around the edge, just like we find it
Speaker 3: a Beckley tepe, and these giant kind of benches carved
Speaker 3: out of bedrock in some cases, and with the tea
Speaker 3: pillars were placed in between. We slotted into the bedrock.
Speaker 3: So I think that was a design spec before any
Speaker 3: walls were built at these sites.
Speaker 1: When they were being constructed.
Speaker 3: There's lots of artifacts, stone work detail is to be
Speaker 3: honest with you, it is insane, is what is happening
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 1: Part of the world.
Speaker 3: Is a complete lost buried culture, a super civilization I
Speaker 3: call it because it's so advanced the first time, and
Speaker 3: it's astonishes me every time I go there. I go
Speaker 3: there at least twice a year, sometimes three times a year,
Speaker 3: and it just blows my mind constantly. I just cannot
Speaker 3: quite believe I was going to Carahan Tepe like when
Speaker 3: nothing was there, nothing, you know, it was just a
Speaker 3: few pillars, a little tops two or three inches of
Speaker 3: a tea pillar sticking out the ground and I had
Speaker 3: no inkling. This was underneath my feet every time I
Speaker 3: walked there. I was going there for six or seven
Speaker 3: years please, but started probably excavating.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it is older than go Beckley Tappey. It's
Speaker 2: like fourteen thousand years, isn't it.
Speaker 3: No, that's one of that's one of the arguments for it,
Speaker 3: but there's not been verified. Actually, they actually say it's
Speaker 3: nineteen thousand and four hundred BC hundred, which is two
Speaker 3: hundred years younger than go Beckley Teppe. But you're right
Speaker 3: in one respect because they think they've actually there was
Speaker 3: actually kind of people frequenting the area before that, and
Speaker 3: they found evidence of tools and stone you know, little
Speaker 3: you know, like arrowheads and things like that in the
Speaker 3: whole area on top and around Carahan Tepe, which go
Speaker 3: back at least a thousand years before this. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: so there's something, there's something definitely going on there. But
Speaker 3: this new enclosure I just find really really fascinating because
Speaker 3: there's rumors of other statues have been found, but they
Speaker 3: haven't been presented to the public yet. We've got some
Speaker 3: information about that, but we can't really say much.
Speaker 1: But there's more.
Speaker 3: These stone plates, these beautiful stone plates have been uncovered,
Speaker 3: intricate carvings. There's astronomical alignments emerging from these sites as well,
Speaker 3: which something in the archaeologist aren't too keen on, but
Speaker 3: they're there. They keep they keep turning up, you know,
Speaker 3: it just keeps happening.
Speaker 1: But there's more.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go down the hill, if you
Speaker 3: actually go down the hill kind of to the bottom
Speaker 3: part here. If you go down, you know, to the bottom,
Speaker 3: you can Actually they've actually found a few other things.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one.
Speaker 3: So we've got the famous pillar shrine at the bottom
Speaker 3: of the hill. We've got the kind of structure AB
Speaker 3: it's called all the Pillars of the stone head as
Speaker 3: the winter Solstice alignment. But just in front of that,
Speaker 3: I mean JJ spotted this. They've now uncovered this like
Speaker 3: a mini pillar shrine, you know, and it's actually got
Speaker 3: one pillar or two pillars in it, carved out of
Speaker 3: bedrock as well, so it's like a little phallus room,
Speaker 3: you know, like there's the big Fallus room structure AB,
Speaker 3: but this is like what the hell is this?
Speaker 1: So that really intrigued us because.
Speaker 3: Last year I had the opportunity to go to something
Speaker 3: that JJ's been researching for years, this site in central
Speaker 3: Turkey called get a Kaya Cave, and this goes back
Speaker 3: fourteen to sixteen thousand years old. Within the cave you
Speaker 3: have something like this, but it's actually a stalagmite or
Speaker 3: staleog tite coming out of the ground and it's revered
Speaker 3: and been cut. It's got calved around it, were all
Speaker 3: built around it, and it goes back to before the
Speaker 3: time of Carahan Tepe, long before, and yet we have
Speaker 3: a similar thing here as well. So so JJ was
Speaker 3: kind of looking at the comparisons of those two for
Speaker 3: a long time, you know, with the pillar shrine, could
Speaker 3: they be representations of natural features like you're getting caves
Speaker 3: like stalimite, stalley types, things like this. And then this
Speaker 3: one turned up and it looks almost like it's from
Speaker 3: the cave itself in way back, way further west in
Speaker 3: central Turkey. So we found that quite intriguing. Actually, you know,
Speaker 3: there's little things like this, little symbols of we believe
Speaker 3: they're like fertility symbols turning up at these sites.
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, Hugh Newman discussing new discoveries in Turkey.
Speaker 2: Will be right back. My guest today is Hugh Newman.
Speaker 2: He has made a study of many of these unusual
Speaker 2: sites known as Quebeclee Teppe, Carahan Teppee and other unusual
Speaker 2: sub level temples in northern Turkey. I'm curious. I don't
Speaker 2: remember seeing any tools in any of the museum. How
Speaker 2: the hell did they cut that bedrug into flat walkways?
Speaker 2: It's just must have taken forever.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a serious amount of work. I mean, I
Speaker 3: mean it's impressive.
Speaker 2: Because they cut around and create columns, right and somebody,
Speaker 2: I know, it's insane.
Speaker 3: I mean, so, yeah, they were using well there's antler picks,
Speaker 3: there's flint, the fine stone work. They could use obsidian.
Speaker 3: You can actually use obsidian for it as well. All
Speaker 3: of these were available, you know, at this time, and
Speaker 3: so you know, we we do know that they were
Speaker 3: certainly they certainly did it, but they didn't have any
Speaker 3: metal or anything like that. Orthough, there was copper found
Speaker 3: at some sites, but it wasn't heated hardened copper. It
Speaker 3: was just natural work copper with hammers and things like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's there's there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot going on.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a few other things here as well.
Speaker 3: I mean here is just there's a few extra carvings
Speaker 3: have been emerged. I'm not sure exactly what all of
Speaker 3: these are, but the one, the one in the middle,
Speaker 3: there are those that can see this. Basically, we've got
Speaker 3: a three D relief on the front of a pillar
Speaker 3: like you find a quebecule Tepe the famous three D
Speaker 3: critter crawling down the front. There's actually one at Carahan
Speaker 3: Tepe in the new enclosure that's been uncovered. We even
Speaker 3: have nubs, you know, like the nubs you get in Peru.
Speaker 3: There's a t pillar here with a nub on the
Speaker 3: front of it, which is like probably not a nub
Speaker 3: as we know it, but it's there, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I got a sec you know, this is what the
Speaker 3: hell's that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Why is that there? And so yeah, there's quite a
Speaker 3: lot to a lot going on. And there's also that
Speaker 3: they're they're rebuilding their kind of look on this image
Speaker 3: here this these yellow areas. This is where they've they're
Speaker 3: digging pits into the ground and they're going to be
Speaker 3: building a roof at Krahan Tepeh.
Speaker 1: This is the news.
Speaker 3: This is this is like the news has been around
Speaker 3: for a while, but they haven't started yet. We were
Speaker 3: there in September, just a few weeks ago. But this
Speaker 3: is what they wanted to look like. This is what
Speaker 3: they think, yeah, yeah, oh no, And so these are
Speaker 3: this is like the kind of graphics that come up now.
Speaker 3: It's obviously there's a positive it's going to protect the
Speaker 3: site because this hasn't been exposed for thousands of years,
Speaker 3: but it's gonna it's already they're already digging these holes
Speaker 3: into the archaeology, you know, clearly going down to the
Speaker 3: bedrock to see where they could put these giant posts.
Speaker 3: So that's slightly concerning. And we're also worried that that
Speaker 3: will block the winter solstice alignment the sun coming through,
Speaker 3: but looking at the cmeach here, it might not because
Speaker 3: if they don't have sides on the roof, it's going
Speaker 3: to be open. So the winter solstice sunlight should still
Speaker 3: be able to get through and come through without being
Speaker 3: interfered with, which is kind of what we hope that.
Speaker 3: That's what we're hoping anyway, But we'll see what happens
Speaker 3: with that. I mean, we might we may or may
Speaker 3: not go back there in December because the thing the
Speaker 3: problem is now that now it's becoming a fishful site.
Speaker 3: There's cameras up everywhere, the guards with guns people out
Speaker 3: there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 3: Just before we could wander up there and walk about
Speaker 3: and get shots of whatever we wanted. Now they're kind
Speaker 3: of a little bit strict, So we don't know if
Speaker 3: they'll even let us in for the winter Solstice sunrise,
Speaker 3: but we might go and try anyway because we feel
Speaker 3: it's like this should be a cultural phenomenon in Turkey.
Speaker 3: This is like a major you know, just you know,
Speaker 3: we think it's a major discovery. I mean, we're not
Speaker 3: blowing our own trumpet here a little bit, but we
Speaker 3: feel it needs to be kind of looked at because
Speaker 3: if they were recording things like this the winter solstice
Speaker 3: back at this time, then they were very smart, very
Speaker 3: advanced people, and Garyan Teppe was almost like built around
Speaker 3: this winter Solstice alonement. It could have been what their
Speaker 3: culture was kind of based upon. So it just makes
Speaker 3: you wonder. I mean, for those that can see this
Speaker 3: is we've got time lapse of what actually happens on
Speaker 3: the winter solstice. You can see the head getting illuminated
Speaker 3: and it lasts for forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Are you scanning in the pit to take this flow?
Speaker 1: No, we weren't. We're just outside of it. But we had
Speaker 1: the camera very low.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say, wow, how did you
Speaker 2: get in?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and so that's this is what happens. So
Speaker 3: this alignment. You know, it perfectly fits in with what's
Speaker 3: going on at the site, and you know, and so
Speaker 3: you know, we've got just let me run this by.
Speaker 3: So regarding this new roof that they're going to build
Speaker 3: on the site, there's actually people think way way back
Speaker 3: there were roofs kind of on the site when it
Speaker 3: was being used, and we think, you know, there might
Speaker 3: be something to that. So we had our guy, Kevin Eslinger,
Speaker 3: was a graphic three D artist kind of test you know,
Speaker 3: what it would be like when it was rebuilt with
Speaker 3: this when a socials alignment still work. He put the
Speaker 3: the kind of roof on it, he put the wooden
Speaker 3: beams on it, how they would fit the pillars if
Speaker 3: they if there were kind of if there was a
Speaker 3: construction there at ancient times. And I worked with him
Speaker 3: quite closely on it, you know, and things like this
Speaker 3: to make sure everything was in the right place. And
Speaker 3: we just found that between the two outer tea pillars
Speaker 3: on the left, some would come through between them. It
Speaker 3: would almost be below just below the kind of roof
Speaker 3: as I mentioned earlier, so these alignments may not be
Speaker 3: interfered with with the roof, and it actually would come
Speaker 3: through and it would illuminate the stone. And he recreated
Speaker 3: this all on computer with the night sky in nine
Speaker 3: thousand BC and kind of put it all together. So
Speaker 3: and even with a full thatch roof like this is
Speaker 3: like a Native American style, he found the same thing.
Speaker 3: It would still work. It was still function even if
Speaker 3: it's a one small window in it which captures the
Speaker 3: movement of the sun moving across the sky.
Speaker 2: That yees.
Speaker 3: So we you know we're working. I'm working. I'm working
Speaker 3: with Kevin on currently. We just started really pushing forward
Speaker 3: with our project to reconstruct carahan Tepe.
Speaker 2: You know, does it feel huge? Does it feel like
Speaker 2: there's a roof there or not? I mean, you're putting
Speaker 2: a roof on it. Do you really have a good
Speaker 2: feeling that that's how it was?
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't personally think there was. You know,
Speaker 3: that's my opinion based upon the reason. But that's what
Speaker 3: I thought. That's why I asked you. But there's but
Speaker 3: so many people believe there was one and are kind
Speaker 3: of disputing our winness solvedice alignment, saying that no, there
Speaker 3: won't work because there's a roof. We decided to put
Speaker 3: it to the test and we basically came up trumps,
Speaker 3: but you know, so we're quite pleased about that. We
Speaker 3: even had a friend, Matt Sibson off Ancient Architects Channel.
Speaker 3: He was disputing our roof theory and he actually worked
Speaker 3: with Kevin Eslinger and myself and and and he basically confirmed.
Speaker 3: He was blown away. Even with a roof it works.
Speaker 3: Absolutely stunned by this. And if people are interested, I've
Speaker 3: actually put a full article together which people can read
Speaker 3: on academia dot org. We can link it, you know,
Speaker 3: on the show somewhere.
Speaker 1: People can have a reader. But it's free.
Speaker 3: You know, it's going to be a chapter, and it's
Speaker 3: going to be a chapter in our book with all
Speaker 3: the reconstructions and how and why it works. And we
Speaker 3: just encourage, you know, because we're coming up to the
Speaker 3: winter solstice, I think, you know, I want to encourage
Speaker 3: people to kind of somehow let's try and make Carahan
Speaker 3: Tape a thing, because this is like New Grains, It's
Speaker 3: like Stonehenge. This is like people can go once a
Speaker 3: year and actually have a little celebration and observing something
Speaker 3: the ancients built into the site and observe themselves.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying here is that this was I
Speaker 2: think Schmidt. I don't know if Schmid was at krahan
Speaker 2: Teppe or not. But this is an observatory. This is
Speaker 2: a celestial observatory. Yes, I believe so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's very much focused on the
Speaker 3: solstices rather than the stars. That's what that's what, that's
Speaker 3: what we've found because you know, probably were the stars
Speaker 3: as well. That's something Andrew Collins and Graham Hancock and
Speaker 3: others have looked at more than I have. But the
Speaker 3: fact is you've got this winter solstice alonement which is
Speaker 3: so so profound. So you can go and see it today.
Speaker 3: You know, there's no disputing it.
Speaker 1: It works.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't you can't really dispute it. That
Speaker 3: That's what I'm so so intrigued by. You know, there
Speaker 3: is functional when you can see it now, it would
Speaker 3: have worked even better, but it's been a slightly different
Speaker 3: only been a degree difference in the sky.
Speaker 2: How sophisticated. Is it agricultural only or do we get
Speaker 2: into like the Maya where we have a sensitive timeframe
Speaker 2: that aligns with astrology, where you could actually figure out
Speaker 2: if you wanted to have a child or not.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the fertility aspect of the site. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is something.
Speaker 2: I mean and j you believe that too.
Speaker 3: You have a fortun Well, this was before agriculture. It's
Speaker 3: nothing to do with agriculture. This was probably ceremonial and
Speaker 3: like ritualists and people, it's like a blanket term. People
Speaker 3: don't like it too much in some cases, but if
Speaker 3: people come to origins, I'm going to do my lecture
Speaker 3: looking at the earlier solstices, winter sociuses before this time,
Speaker 3: before carahan Tepe, and it's going to be a big
Speaker 3: theme the new book which is going to be coming
Speaker 3: out next year. And I've pretty much proven already that
Speaker 3: even in Paleolithic times and other cultures before gebecley Teppe,
Speaker 3: in carahan Tepe, the winter and the summer solstice were
Speaker 3: big deals for people and it was all based upon
Speaker 3: initiations rituals. It was the creation of a calendar as well,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't a calendar like for the way we
Speaker 3: use calendars. It was a calendar for feasting, for initiations,
Speaker 3: for rights of passage, for kind of changes in life,
Speaker 3: you know, like celebrations, getting pregnant, rebirth, fertility, things like this.
Speaker 3: That's very esoteric very But if you look into the
Speaker 3: mythologies of the ancient, the ancient cultures, which JJ has
Speaker 3: been doing, you find correlations with that it all fits together.
Speaker 3: There's even data which I present, I'm going to present
Speaker 3: origins I'm going to be going in the new book
Speaker 3: proving that there's anthropological data hunter gatherer groups, and we
Speaker 3: know the around Tape people were thought to be hunt gatherers,
Speaker 3: that modern hunter gatherer groups all follow the solstices very carefully.
Speaker 3: They're obsessed by it, and so ancient hunting gatherers probably
Speaker 3: did the same. And there's even paleolithic caves in France
Speaker 3: and other places that they chose which are aligned to
Speaker 3: the rising and the setting of the sun on the
Speaker 3: solstice and actually beams in the cave entrances and illuminate
Speaker 3: some of the paintings. This is what's mind blowing.
Speaker 1: So there's a.
Speaker 3: Whole area of research we're getting deeply into which proves
Speaker 3: that this is a much earlier, earlier solstice kind of obsession.
Speaker 3: So I'm back up to forty thousand years.
Speaker 2: So I just mentioned fertility. What are some other esoteric
Speaker 2: paranormal types of activities around solstices and the equinoxes that
Speaker 2: you can talk about. Yeah, I mean you mentioned initiations
Speaker 2: that could be initiating into the druid, you know kind
Speaker 2: of theme.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got a lot of a lot of things
Speaker 3: going on. You know, there's a lot of aspects to this.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've actually written about this already, So if
Speaker 3: people want to kind of dive into it, they can
Speaker 3: check out this article. They can just find it on
Speaker 3: academia to org or on scribbed. It's going to be
Speaker 3: up on substack as well.
Speaker 2: Give me that you will put it up on the note.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure. And I get into all this,
Speaker 3: all these different aspects. We look at the Native American traditions,
Speaker 3: they go way way back. How that fits in with
Speaker 3: the Paleolithic caves and even like Lascal for instance, this
Speaker 3: is something that might have Sweatman got me onto. It's aligned.
Speaker 3: The entrance was aligned to the summer solstice sunset precisely.
Speaker 3: And I've got to give you know, this was a
Speaker 3: bunch of French researchers, but actually Martin Sweatman was the
Speaker 3: first to put this in his book and it kind
Speaker 3: of opened my eyes. But then I realized it's not
Speaker 3: just one Paleolithic cave. I actually went there this summer
Speaker 3: with my family to investigate all this. They found one
Speaker 3: hundred and over one hundred and thirty Paleolithic caves are
Speaker 3: aligned to the solstices and the equinoxes. It's way beyond chance.
Speaker 3: So there's millions of caves to choose from in that
Speaker 3: part of the world, but they chose specific ones where
Speaker 3: the sun would illuminate on these specific times of year.
Speaker 3: And this is then there's paintings, you know, just in
Speaker 3: that particular part of the cave. I mean there's even
Speaker 3: three D reliefs we find in some of these are
Speaker 3: very similar to quebecle Teppe and Carahan Tepe, and so
Speaker 3: I think there's a you know, there's good evidence that
Speaker 3: there's a long standing tradition going very very far back,
Speaker 3: you know, into different parts of Europe, even even into Russia.
Speaker 3: We've got evidence coming out of Russia now and the
Speaker 3: kind of Caucasus area which JJ has been looking at,
Speaker 3: which suggests this is the case. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: just that this is the data that was collected by
Speaker 3: these French academics kind of backing all this up and
Speaker 3: so I mean that's a tip of the iceberg. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: there's there's a whole lot more than that. But you know,
Speaker 3: but I mean when it comes to the test Tapola sites,
Speaker 3: we're just waiting for or to be excavated to see
Speaker 3: if other sites have this. I mean, one of the
Speaker 3: most exciting sites to me is we're talking about this
Speaker 3: before we came on air is a Sayberg as well.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Sabers because I have not
Speaker 2: been there and I've heard amazing things about it. We
Speaker 2: should also let our listeners know, Hugh that the museum
Speaker 2: that they've put up in Turkey just to glorify Goebecy
Speaker 2: Teppe Carahan tepping in these other sites is fabulous. It's
Speaker 2: very well done and I don't know who's doing it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the Turks or somebody else,
Speaker 2: but it's a very good museum in multiple languages.
Speaker 1: Is exceptional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they've done a full reconstruction of Enclosure
Speaker 3: d all the a lot of the first discovered statues
Speaker 3: from Carahan tape, even the Valley Churi is a lot
Speaker 3: being reconstructed in the museum, which is amazing. There's stuff
Speaker 3: now from say Birch as well, which we could see
Speaker 3: here and what you know, say Birch, I mean it
Speaker 3: doesn't even doesn't look like this anymore. I mean this
Speaker 3: has been completely kind of removed, all the houses above.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you when you guys, you and
Speaker 2: Andrew first went there, you were going into a home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the circle was the foundations of a house.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 3: This is what I mean. So this is how fast
Speaker 3: it's moving at these other sites. But the thing about
Speaker 3: say Burt is the name I want to mention, because
Speaker 3: we're talking about astronomy. Say in say Birch, Say means counting.
Speaker 3: In Turkish, birch b you are with the thing on
Speaker 3: the scene means sign of the zodiac, and you know
Speaker 3: which is so it's like counting and the sign of
Speaker 3: the It's like it's almost saying. The name of the
Speaker 3: site could be an ancient name. And even burke in
Speaker 3: a Turk in Kurdish means watch tower. And we know
Speaker 3: there used to be a tower at the site, say Burch,
Speaker 3: which got demolished in the nineteen forties. I know this
Speaker 3: because we spoke to all the families that have been
Speaker 3: there since that time. And so this is like Jericho
Speaker 3: kind of tower we're talking about here. So it gets
Speaker 3: more epic the more you look into it. Really, but
Speaker 3: you know, for a long time with say Birch, we
Speaker 3: had it looked like this and then we went back there.
Speaker 3: You know, it's but a year and a half ago
Speaker 3: it looked like this, so half of it, half of
Speaker 3: it was uncovered. This was a year and a half ago,
Speaker 3: and this is like, now the whole house has gone.
Speaker 3: This is a three D scan, uh, and you can
Speaker 3: see there's there's a huge area. But now this is it.
Speaker 3: This is like an exclusive. Actually I haven't shown this
Speaker 3: to anybody. This is what it looks like now. So
Speaker 3: this is just one of the enclosures, mind you, this
Speaker 3: is one Okay, this isn't like the entire site. We'll
Speaker 3: look at some of the other new stuff as well.
Speaker 3: So there so it's just blowing my mind the more
Speaker 3: we look into it. You can see that here as well.
Speaker 3: You can kind of get a sense. And this is
Speaker 3: about what thirty feet across something like that. He's an
Speaker 3: aerial shot of it one of the areas they're excavating.
Speaker 3: But what really intrigued me is the fact that the
Speaker 3: shape of it fits in of my research on geometry perfectly,
Speaker 3: and you can see that here. This is again one
Speaker 3: of the egg shapes of Alexander Tom which is now
Speaker 3: being found at say Birch as well. Again I haven't
Speaker 3: mentioned this is the first time I mentioned this anywhere
Speaker 3: as well. So this is like brand new stuff coming
Speaker 3: out of here. So it's really compelling. What is coming
Speaker 3: out of the ground at say Birds for sure?
Speaker 2: What does say Birds meet? You give us the definition?
Speaker 2: Is it also an observatory or is it more of
Speaker 2: a ritualistic kind of medium place.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a bit of both, I think, But the
Speaker 3: name kind of you know, if it's an ancient name,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it means counting a sign of
Speaker 3: the zodiac and watch tower, you know, which is really
Speaker 3: life tower. Yeah, really bizarre to have that. But the
Speaker 3: more they've done excavation here, I mean, we know the
Speaker 3: main enclosures now being excavated. They found human bones actually
Speaker 3: inside one of the square pits just next to the
Speaker 3: main enclosure. They've actually found more here than they're letting on.
Speaker 3: We we we know there's more here. We talked to
Speaker 3: one of the locals and we saw some image images
Speaker 3: of something that's going to be revealed very soon and
Speaker 3: I'm not really allowed to talk about it right now,
Speaker 3: but again, it should be out in the next few weeks.
Speaker 3: But we've got we've seen it. There's an amazing discovery
Speaker 3: that's being made. A little clue is is that it's
Speaker 3: going to be something like one of these let's just
Speaker 3: say that for now. But so with say Bert, you've
Speaker 3: got this whole area here they're now excavating. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a whole area to the south. There's lots more
Speaker 3: they're digging deep into. Luckily, there was a whole area
Speaker 3: of the village that no one built on. This was
Speaker 3: like the sort of play park, you know, where no
Speaker 3: one touched. It's sort of like a sacred area. They
Speaker 3: didn't really touch it, and they've been digging there. They
Speaker 3: found human remains, they found beautiful statues, some intricate carvings
Speaker 3: on them, and a whole lot more and so. And
Speaker 3: the other thing is another really weird thing is that
Speaker 3: in one part of the site, it's just on the
Speaker 3: left of the image here where they've kind of they
Speaker 3: thought it was a Roman quarry which was kind of
Speaker 3: being carved out in Roman times. Like eight thousand years
Speaker 3: later than when it was Say Birch was being built,
Speaker 3: because this dates back to at least nine thousand BC.
Speaker 3: And there's I mean, look at the quarrying on the
Speaker 3: left there that is Roman quarrying, they think. And so
Speaker 3: I've got this crazy idea that the Romans discovered say
Speaker 3: Birch and like then then left it because look at
Speaker 3: this right. So you've got this here, you got this
Speaker 3: little rope, You've got this potentially a Roman quarry. We
Speaker 3: know they were quarrying in the area. There's another hill
Speaker 3: just next to where they would definitely quarry. But look
Speaker 3: then on the left there you've got this beautiful little
Speaker 3: kind of test tabola style carving, which you can see
Speaker 3: here that is just next.
Speaker 1: To this Roman quoit.
Speaker 3: And they literally left it alone, haven't touched it, and
Speaker 3: they're within ten feet of the main enclosure. And so
Speaker 3: I think that I've got them absolutely convinced the Romans
Speaker 3: discovered say Birch and they and there might be records
Speaker 3: somewhere of them talking about this. I'm going to start
Speaker 3: looking into this because there's something strains going on here
Speaker 3: because a lot of the site, some of the other
Speaker 3: tast Tabola sites seem to have this where the Romans
Speaker 3: got really close to where many of them are but
Speaker 3: then left them as though they were kind of warned
Speaker 3: away by the locals or something like this, I don't
Speaker 3: touch the area, you can't touch that. But you know,
Speaker 3: let's just say though the new there's a lot of
Speaker 3: human statues have come out of the ground. Carahan tape
Speaker 3: got Earth of Man that came out of a site
Speaker 3: in Shanneler for itself. We've got this little say birch
Speaker 3: man there, and we've got the Navali try head which
Speaker 3: was part of a large statue on the you know
Speaker 3: with the kind of serpent coming down the back. So
Speaker 3: all of these, so every actually every site they're finding
Speaker 3: these human statues. And so watch this space with say
Speaker 3: Berts because something is going to be announced very very soon.
Speaker 3: But there's there's more though, there's sites. There's they've just
Speaker 3: started excavating a site that we've been investigated for several
Speaker 3: years called a yan Lahoyak. This is the official fence
Speaker 3: they put around the site. This is a giant test
Speaker 3: tablar site probably twelve thousand years old, a bit less
Speaker 3: and this is now being investigated by Japanese team, and
Speaker 3: it's just begun when we were there.
Speaker 1: It just got in this year. But we've been going
Speaker 1: to the site for years.
Speaker 3: And the thing that really good excites me about the
Speaker 3: site is that they've actually, we've actually found tea.
Speaker 1: Pillars there before.
Speaker 3: Now weirdly, a paper came out many years ago by
Speaker 3: Bauck teaen Selik talking about yand La Hoyac and about
Speaker 3: it's definitely something going on and they found a few
Speaker 3: little pieces there like we can see the image on
Speaker 3: the right, and he said, there's no tea pillars are
Speaker 3: being found. So me and JJ went there twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two and what did we find. We found a tea
Speaker 3: pillar just lying on the ground and we couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: So we and this is definitely a T shaped pillar.
Speaker 3: You know, this is like it's got a little carving
Speaker 3: on it as well. I've got three D scan of
Speaker 3: it as well, and I was like, WHOA, I couldn't
Speaker 3: quite believe. So, you know, it was JJ's kind of
Speaker 3: intuition that kind of got us to the right spot
Speaker 3: where we kind of found it. And so we were
Speaker 3: the first people to discover a tea pillar at Yandla hooyak.
Speaker 3: So keep that in mind because this is going to
Speaker 3: be massive. A yelloo hooyak.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, Hugh Newman, coming to us from London,
Speaker 2: describing his recent discoveries in Turkey. Will rejoin you shortly.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Hugh Newman coming to us from London, England.
Speaker 2: He has been doing some groundbreaking work and discovery in
Speaker 2: Turkey and we're hearing exactly what he has found. And
Speaker 2: the images that he has taken are available on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Go to Earth Ancients on YouTube. For those of you
Speaker 2: who are not familiar with YouTube, you can go to
Speaker 2: Facebook and I'll have a small gallery of many of
Speaker 2: these unusual and groundbreaking photographs. What's going on in this area, Hugh?
Speaker 2: Is this a big post ice age push? Who are
Speaker 2: these people? What do we I mean, it's still very
Speaker 2: very uncertain as to who are these people, where do
Speaker 2: they get their data from? Are they ex Atlantinians? Are
Speaker 2: they ex ancient site people that we just don't know about.
Speaker 2: What's the story on this?
Speaker 3: That's a good question, I mean, I think there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of influences coming in from the directions. Okay, this
Speaker 3: has been talked about by academics now JJ and Andrew
Speaker 3: both being on it as well, coming in from the
Speaker 3: Russian steps, coming down from the Caucasus. There's a big
Speaker 3: influence there. You got from further south and Lord of Levante,
Speaker 3: you've got the Toothians, who were very advanced. They were
Speaker 3: building structures, they were doing early you know, attempts at
Speaker 3: farming and even using geometry in some of their designs.
Speaker 3: They all came up from the south. There's very good
Speaker 3: evidence cycled check mac Tepe possibly a couple of others
Speaker 3: of Thetuthian ideas being present there. So there's definitely in
Speaker 3: the Toothian influence. Now, these are the Touthians were a
Speaker 3: lot smarter than you think. And I think that there's
Speaker 3: a misconception when it generally comes to hunter gatherers. I mean,
Speaker 3: people just assume hunter gatherers are kind of savage types
Speaker 3: literally hunting and gathering. But there's a whole different thing.
Speaker 3: Since I've been doing my research on the Solstices, go
Speaker 3: further and further back in time, you know, going about
Speaker 3: forty thousand years the hunter gatherers to me, was smart
Speaker 3: as hell. There's the same brain capacity as us. They
Speaker 3: didn't have all the kind of problems we have to
Speaker 3: deal with in society now, and they just had time
Speaker 3: to dwell on things and research things and kind of
Speaker 3: feel into things. And I think they were studying the
Speaker 3: stars to a high degree. But they were also developing
Speaker 3: symbolism and language and other ideas that we don't really see,
Speaker 3: but if you dig into it you can find things there.
Speaker 3: So I think the kind of gatherers, and I think
Speaker 3: when different groups came together, there was explosions of ideas,
Speaker 3: and I think explosions of taking lots of magic mushrooms
Speaker 3: and psychedelics and brewing beer and things like this. So
Speaker 3: they were going in as altered states as well, you know,
Speaker 3: bringing different plant medicines to one another and expanding their consciousness.
Speaker 3: So I think there's a development which may have been slight,
Speaker 3: but it may have had bursts of ideas. So you
Speaker 3: also have people coming in from the west as well
Speaker 3: as well as the two fings from the south of
Speaker 3: the influence from the Russian steps coming in from the west.
Speaker 3: You have the sites like I mentioned earlier, Geekaya cave
Speaker 3: where there's clearly evidence of like fertility ritual going on.
Speaker 3: And also from the west you've got the whole Paleolithic
Speaker 3: people as well from the caves there, and so I
Speaker 3: think there's so many it was like a whole admixedgure.
Speaker 3: And this was right at the end of the last
Speaker 3: I says, at the end of the younger driyat exactly
Speaker 3: where the weather just started improving. Within a few generations
Speaker 3: of that, they were building Go Beckley Tepe and so.
Speaker 3: But must remember there were sites some of these sites
Speaker 3: like check mac Tape, some of the other testablear sites
Speaker 3: were earlier built before Go Beckley Tepe. So they were
Speaker 3: already in this area doing things and developing it. So
Speaker 3: I think there's there's a different way to look at
Speaker 3: it now because so there's for a long time people
Speaker 3: have been saying, no, it's just like a massive explosion
Speaker 3: people came from Atlantis, and then other people say it
Speaker 3: was a gradual build up. But I think there's a
Speaker 3: bit of both. I think there's like different groups coming
Speaker 3: in explosions of ideas. But they were a hunter gatherers,
Speaker 3: you know as well, But they were very more ever,
Speaker 3: much more sophisticated than people realized. I mean, when I
Speaker 3: spoke recently at the guy at Ancient Civilizations conference, when
Speaker 3: I mentioned I think hunter gatherers are smart, people chuckled
Speaker 3: in the audience.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is this is the problem because.
Speaker 2: They think that's the most rudimentary form of humanity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's because it's probably I've done
Speaker 3: all this research on them, so I know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm getting into their mindset where most people haven't. Most
Speaker 3: people haven't. They just think they're sanvwiches, but they're not.
Speaker 3: This is this is, this is where people get locked
Speaker 3: in different you know, they get stuck in their research.
Speaker 3: I think it's open your mind to the fact that
Speaker 3: these these these people in prehistoric times were just like us,
Speaker 3: you know, that they were as advanced as us in
Speaker 3: the mind.
Speaker 2: Well, I think is an interesting fact. And I've only
Speaker 2: been there once. You're there twice a year. You've been there, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, for five six years. They haven't found
Speaker 2: a burial or a tomb or a complete skeleton, which
Speaker 2: I find given all these new sites, kind of peculiar.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: because of the weather conditions that the bones just do
Speaker 2: not last or whatever. What's the story on that, because
Speaker 2: that would help us a little bit if we could
Speaker 2: do some testing on bones and see the skeletal capacity
Speaker 2: of the brain and so forth.
Speaker 3: They've just thought they've actually just got into that recently, Saybach,
Speaker 3: Like I say, this is just a very you know,
Speaker 3: it's just a few bones and skulls thrown into like
Speaker 3: a bit they would burying underneath the kind of domestic areas.
Speaker 3: Apparently there's been a lot about seven or eight burials
Speaker 3: found at human remains found at Combectli Teppite, but there's
Speaker 3: no elaborate aerials or like you know, graves created as
Speaker 3: such a very limited amount. That happened more in the
Speaker 3: levant where you have the kind of plaster you know,
Speaker 3: and like paint ochre and things like that put on
Speaker 3: the skeletons. You get that up near the Tigris River
Speaker 3: to the northwest, sorry, the northeast, up on the Tigris
Speaker 3: area that sites like cortic Tape and Bonchop Glutala, but
Speaker 3: not so much in the Testeplar region. No, but they've
Speaker 3: just found that, say Birch, this is actually from a
Speaker 3: year or a year and a half ago. This fhot,
Speaker 3: but they've found this cachet of bones and skulls in
Speaker 3: one area in the new excavation at say Birch, so
Speaker 3: that's going to be a now soon. At Cheyanu, another
Speaker 3: site further north which has been known about for years,
Speaker 3: we visited there as well. They found this whole discovery
Speaker 3: of this red ochre floor that goes back to nineteen thousand,
Speaker 3: six hundred years ago. They found cachets of bones, they
Speaker 3: found what's called the Skull building there. They've got hundreds
Speaker 3: of skeletons and skulls that were decapitated and placed into
Speaker 3: the like in a certain manner, in a very peculiar way.
Speaker 3: And so there is there is a few little spots
Speaker 3: of that, but no elaborate burials have been found, and
Speaker 3: very few human remains, but they have found some and
Speaker 3: they're now starting doing the testing on them. So this
Speaker 3: is where the real data is going to come from.
Speaker 3: That fantastic. Yeah, that's great news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny because all the information that
Speaker 2: they're discovering and excavations, there's no kings or queens or
Speaker 2: leaders or burial of a well known individual from any
Speaker 2: of that area. It's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just doesn't seem to be unless it's just
Speaker 3: not been dug up yet. I mean, there might be
Speaker 3: a whole kind of one of the sites might just
Speaker 3: be a burial site. Who knows. We just don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, so we've got to wait and see. It's
Speaker 3: all like, it's an exciting time. This is like the
Speaker 3: time of discovery. This is like, you know, this is it.
Speaker 1: We're in it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, when the Egypt was being discovered,
Speaker 3: when Myan Pyramids are being discovered, you know, it would
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 1: Amazing to be there.
Speaker 3: But this is happening now, you know, this is it,
Speaker 3: And so we've got a real opportunity, as you know,
Speaker 3: individuals and researchers and enthusiastic get out there and kind
Speaker 3: of appreciate it as it's happening. So although there's a
Speaker 3: lot of pushback between alternative people and archaeologists, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, we've just got to celebrate what's
Speaker 3: being discovered, and you know, it's all coming out, so
Speaker 3: let's just enjoy the process.
Speaker 2: I think conventional or orthodox archaeology still has a problem
Speaker 2: with the dates that are coming back on this and
Speaker 2: although it's verified, we have real science going on, we
Speaker 2: have real archaeology, we have real excavations. I would say
Speaker 2: a lot of people just can't grasp it, that just
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like they can hold on to it. What
Speaker 2: do you say to that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot that there's a
Speaker 3: lot to say about the whole kind of situation. I
Speaker 3: think one of the things I like, I mean is
Speaker 3: that you can go you can go there and visit
Speaker 3: these sites when they're excavating least they cover them up
Speaker 3: in the winter pretty much, so you can actually go
Speaker 3: there and actually see it happening. And then sometimes, you know,
Speaker 3: if you get on the right side of the archaeologists
Speaker 3: that come and talk to you and explain what they
Speaker 3: found and things like this. So there's a there's a
Speaker 3: lot of good happening, you know, and you know with
Speaker 3: the what the archaeologists are doing, but there's also you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of debate as to how they're doing it.
Speaker 3: I mean, why are they reconstructing enclosure sea, Why aren't
Speaker 3: they excavating more? Why are they kind of releasing these
Speaker 3: new discoveries to the public quicker? You know, there's debates
Speaker 3: about that. At the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 3: we've got to just you know, there's nothing new or
Speaker 3: you can do. We've just got to hope, you know,
Speaker 3: hope they're going to release everything and keep excavating. But
Speaker 3: the pace they're going at Saber, it's the pace they're
Speaker 3: going at these other sites like Cephia, Tepe Hrbet Zuvan
Speaker 3: and you know Carahan, Tappey especially, they're they ain't messing about,
Speaker 3: They're getting on with it and that they're not going
Speaker 3: to stop. In fact, the roof they're planning at carahand
Speaker 3: Tepe Bay is actually quite interesting because it's not just
Speaker 3: a fixed roof like you have have a quebecley Tepe.
Speaker 3: They're actually going to be it's actually kind of adaptable,
Speaker 3: so you can extend it up the hill in different
Speaker 3: directions so they can keep excavating, and then they can
Speaker 3: extend the roof.
Speaker 2: They can't keep excavating and the area that's going to
Speaker 2: be on exhibit.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, they'll keep excavating.
Speaker 3: But the thing is if they expand the space they're doing,
Speaker 3: they can then add a roof section to that bit
Speaker 3: so they can preserve it as well. So there's no
Speaker 3: limit there, whereas Kabeley's got a limit there's any roofs
Speaker 3: in certain places. So you know they might have put
Speaker 3: a whole new roof up there at some point as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, so let's let's wait and see.
Speaker 3: But there's one other, one other discovery I want to
Speaker 3: mention at Carahan Tappe because I just realized we didn't
Speaker 3: mention this is this was discovered. This is a stone
Speaker 3: of quite a large stone bowl carved as solid stone,
Speaker 3: looks like bassel, that had another bowl within it, and
Speaker 3: underneath it was a stone plate.
Speaker 1: And within the small bowl.
Speaker 3: Were two what looked like stone, two or three what
Speaker 3: look like stone donuts, like circular stones, different types of
Speaker 3: stone with the hole carved out in the middle. They're
Speaker 3: not donuts. And then there's three animal carvings like you've
Speaker 3: got like a what looks like a leopard, You've got
Speaker 3: like a vulture, and you've got some other strange creature.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of it. And these were
Speaker 3: found going into the holes. Yeah, and so because you know,
Speaker 3: if those that can see this, this is the imagery here,
Speaker 3: and you've got another view of it there, and you've
Speaker 3: got sceptors as well stone septs.
Speaker 1: That's probably like two two and two.
Speaker 2: Other little fetishes, okay.
Speaker 3: And so this is like a ritualistic offering. But this
Speaker 3: is the holes really interesting me because that is like
Speaker 3: the portholestones where you have these alignments coming through and
Speaker 3: so you've got certain animals going through there which were
Speaker 3: probably symbolic of certain you know, processes of initiation and
Speaker 3: things like that. With the personal that you know, you'd
Speaker 3: be like as a sham and you become the animal,
Speaker 3: you go through the whole good. Yeah, statistic tools, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of this is now being discovered.
Speaker 3: They haven't said where this was actually found in cararahanter based.
Speaker 3: It could be relevant once we know, but this is
Speaker 3: just one of the discoveries that came out just a
Speaker 3: few months ago. This is actually on display temporarily at
Speaker 3: the it's in Anchora. It's actually in the sort of
Speaker 3: palace buildings in Anchora and the President there's actually a
Speaker 3: sort of display of test temple of stuff there. So
Speaker 3: some of them, you know, it's not in the Anchora Museum,
Speaker 3: it's not the it's in another building.
Speaker 1: So we weren't able to go there.
Speaker 3: We couldn't see it for ourselves unfortunately, but if anyone
Speaker 3: does go there, get some photos and some film clips.
Speaker 2: And send it to you. I need it from my book.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you as we're concluding you, you know,
Speaker 2: we talk about John Burke and the tolluric energy feels
Speaker 2: like the Mayan temples and Egypt and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed or have you spoken to any of
Speaker 2: the locals who can feel any significant tolluric energy in
Speaker 2: any of these sites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a I think there's actual There
Speaker 3: was some actual research done as well. I mean the
Speaker 3: back in the two thousands, Paolo Derbertolis of Trees University,
Speaker 3: he did some analysis of enclosed to the it Beckley
Speaker 3: Tepe and actually found a magnetic anomaly within it, which
Speaker 3: I thought was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: And I kind of I.
Speaker 3: Probably mentioned that in my little book as well about
Speaker 3: you know, it's going to be a big thing about
Speaker 3: it in my upcoming And he actually found like a
Speaker 3: spirally magnetic anomaly within it. But he was also found
Speaker 3: very sophisticated acoustics in there as well, So clearly they
Speaker 3: were building upon sites or areas which had a natural
Speaker 3: kind of toleric enhancement.
Speaker 1: Like John Burke.
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to be writing a about him, because
Speaker 3: as you me and you are both big fans of
Speaker 3: the late brilliant John Burke and the Seed and all
Speaker 3: this tone of Plenty book, which I think is revelatory book,
Speaker 3: and I think that's going to, you know, if that
Speaker 3: can be applied to this area, which it looks like
Speaker 3: it can now, especially when we consider that agriculture was
Speaker 3: developed within two hundred years of Quebectuvee be and built
Speaker 3: where they do. They come up with some way of
Speaker 3: enhancing their seeds and grains to like grow the food
Speaker 3: or something like this. So we have to be able
Speaker 3: to question that kind of thing. But I think you
Speaker 3: know you can't. Yeah, you can't really go inside these
Speaker 3: structures anymore, you know, very few.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't.
Speaker 3: We were lucky we've got in size say birch. But
Speaker 3: you're so excited because it's like, you know, it's an
Speaker 3: opportunity of a lifetime. I don't really think to get
Speaker 3: your dowsing rods out and start meditating kind of like
Speaker 3: you know, you're trying to like kind of.
Speaker 2: Just you're going to be showed away with guns.
Speaker 3: But if anyone does go there, if anyone's got any
Speaker 3: you know, their own experiences, that I'd be I'm very
Speaker 3: interested in direct experience that people have at these sites,
Speaker 3: especially in the test Templar region, because I would be intrigued,
Speaker 3: you know. But I find there's something about Cara hand
Speaker 3: Teppe that gets me. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: It just I feel like I've been there before. That's
Speaker 3: what it feels like, you know. That's the weird kind
Speaker 3: of reincarnation kind of feeling.
Speaker 1: I get with it.
Speaker 3: It's something about that place for me. You know, other
Speaker 3: people have it with different sites obviously, and especially when
Speaker 3: me and JJ when we first discovered that winter solstice thing,
Speaker 3: it was all like the synchronicityes led to that point.
Speaker 3: That all fell into place over a few months and
Speaker 3: then peaked a few days before it for us to
Speaker 3: discover that. And if you know, we just think if
Speaker 3: we hadn't discovered that, hadn't followed the synchronicities, we would
Speaker 3: never have discovered that. So that kind of thing I
Speaker 3: take notice of, you know, you or.
Speaker 2: Your book with that. We were thinking, we were having
Speaker 2: coffee and all of a sudden we must got to
Speaker 2: Cara hand Teppy.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, but we were getting messages from people
Speaker 3: in Turkey who are who were saying, oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: you have to go before this date because it were
Speaker 3: closed in they're going to cover it up, and say, oh,
Speaker 3: go shit, we better get our tickets books. So and
Speaker 3: then we got delayed and we couldn't get to the site,
Speaker 3: and then then we were forced it with The only
Speaker 3: time we go was first thing in the morning because
Speaker 3: officials were coming in that day to close it up
Speaker 3: for the winter. So we had to go first thing
Speaker 3: in the morning because they were going to come in
Speaker 3: at nine am or something. And that's why we were
Speaker 3: forced to go at sunrise. We weren't even know there
Speaker 3: would be a winter Solstice thing there, but then we
Speaker 3: a really good one.
Speaker 1: Turned up less we were quite clicked.
Speaker 3: So you've got you know, when that kind of thing happens,
Speaker 3: like you haven't synchronouses, you're having kind of you know,
Speaker 3: you kind of go with you realize there's something significant
Speaker 3: taking place. And so I get that at some sites,
Speaker 3: you know, some weird dark stuff at other sites, you know,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Didn't know you were into the paranormal. This is all new.
Speaker 3: This should be Yeah, I've got a calling to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could say.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean I'm serious. I mean because you're
Speaker 2: you're speaking about interwort of infant nation. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: casual discussions that turn out to be major discoveries and
Speaker 2: so forth. So that's great. Yeah, Hey, as we conclude,
Speaker 2: what why should we be interested? Why should we care
Speaker 2: about these tepees? Why why should we even you know bother?
Speaker 1: Well? This is this is it.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is right, you got you've got Stonehenge,
Speaker 3: You've got the Pyramids, you got the Pyramids of Mexican.
Speaker 3: None of them are that old. Seriously, none of them
Speaker 3: are very old. I mean Stonehenge is what five thousand
Speaker 3: years old? Pyramids of Mexico the oldest is three thousand
Speaker 3: years old, maybe two thousand years old. So this is
Speaker 3: twelve thousand years old to eleven thousand years old. This
Speaker 3: is a whole different time frame. And the sophistication is
Speaker 3: equal or more advanced than all these other cultures that
Speaker 3: came five to eight thousand years later. So, and we're
Speaker 3: not just talking one site, you know, we're talking multiple
Speaker 3: They're talking about forty plus sites now in that region.
Speaker 3: Each of those has multiple stone circles and these enclosures,
Speaker 3: these alignments, thousands of statues, artifacts, it's and it just
Speaker 3: doesn't quit, you know. It's like, you know, we thought
Speaker 3: it was going to quit after you know, Beckley Tepe,
Speaker 3: but they found a whole civilization there. And so this
Speaker 3: and the fact that it was buried, there's civilizations and
Speaker 3: cultures and armies and people have passed through that area
Speaker 3: for the last nine thousands of plus years and didn't
Speaker 3: even know it was there. So it's been completely written
Speaker 3: out of all the history books, all the traditions, all
Speaker 3: the cultures, and so it's like this whole fresh discovery
Speaker 3: of something that's just been it's the lost civilization. Everyone's
Speaker 3: talking about this is it?
Speaker 2: Well, you actually feel there's a last civilization.
Speaker 3: It literally was lost, it was buried, no one knew
Speaker 3: it was there, and so this is what's so compelling
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: And as we had a bi that was buried, entombed
Speaker 2: with a little bit of data, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that's that's happening.
Speaker 3: I think the DNA stuff's going to come out an
Speaker 3: anytime soon, hopefully sooner the better. But obviously with human
Speaker 3: remains is the whole process they have to go through
Speaker 3: and everything else, but they you know, but I think,
Speaker 3: you know, people, we've got to understand this was buried.
Speaker 3: This was forgotten about for like ten nine to ten
Speaker 3: thousand years. So this is when me and Jaja had
Speaker 3: that revelatory moment the Karahan Tepe seeing this winter solstice,
Speaker 3: the first people to see it in like nine thousand
Speaker 3: years or more. It blew our minds because we dawned
Speaker 3: on us days later. My god, you know what if
Speaker 3: we hadn't seen that, You know, what if they then
Speaker 3: built over it with a roof or something, you know,
Speaker 3: and it'd never been discovered. So what else is there
Speaker 3: that hasn't been discovered yet? It hasn't even been dug up.
Speaker 3: If we have, we're we're finding stuff. At the first
Speaker 3: excavation was done, we found something significant. So the list
Speaker 3: goes on all these sites that could be major, major
Speaker 3: things taking place. Then we have to look at like
Speaker 3: I think I've got to give Graham Hancock a bit
Speaker 3: of He wrote this fantastic article about the story of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole Sumerian thing and everything else, and
Speaker 3: about that Seyburg say Birch being a representation you know,
Speaker 3: literally of that, you know, the whole kind of narrative
Speaker 3: scene that they discovered there was actually part of this
Speaker 3: Gilgamesh story, and so he's now piecing together it's Mesopotamian connection.
Speaker 3: And so all these cultures like Egypt, Stonehenge, Sumerians now
Speaker 3: we can see. Now we're starting to see who they
Speaker 3: got influenced by. We're started to see the influences like
Speaker 3: but the geometries from my research, the astronomy, the Gilgamesh myths,
Speaker 3: JJ's research on the symbolism and the Golden Gate of
Speaker 3: the ecliptic and everything else. So so we started to
Speaker 3: piece together a whole missing chapter of human history thanks
Speaker 3: to these discoveries in Southeast Turkey.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. I want to thank you for this presentation. For
Speaker 2: those of you listening, we'll have this available on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna twist Hugh's arm and get a few photographs
Speaker 2: for our Facebook page as well. Obviously we can't have
Speaker 2: the same number on our Facebook page that we have
Speaker 2: on the YouTube channel, but really cutting edge, Hugh's got
Speaker 2: the latest and the greatest. So thanks to you, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Give us your contact information. We know
Speaker 2: about origins. We've got the link to that, but give
Speaker 2: us your own personal dating. What's your website, what's the
Speaker 2: other Facebook links and things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, just like you just searched h Newman, they're
Speaker 3: going to find me that. This is a little book
Speaker 3: I published with Wooden Books. It's now out in America.
Speaker 3: Expanded updated version that's going to be that's available now
Speaker 3: and Megalithomania dot co dot UK is the website.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 3: I'm also I'm speaking at another conference in America, the
Speaker 3: Quest for Ancient Civilizations, because I think all the latest data.
Speaker 3: That's the fifth of the seventh of December in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Speaker 3: People can just search for that. Organized by Robert the
Speaker 3: coocha of world Views Media and David Childress.
Speaker 1: Amazing bunch of speakers.
Speaker 3: There and yeah, and people can kind of check out
Speaker 3: basically just check out our website. We've got we obviously
Speaker 3: we go back to Turkey quite frequently. You know, we
Speaker 3: take groups out there and things like that, so people
Speaker 3: can kind of if they want to, they can join us.
Speaker 3: I know, you go out there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you average work three to four tours a year, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do a few. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, we do other other areas
Speaker 3: where the Malta. The Malta connection now with test Table
Speaker 3: is emerging, is coming out even the island as well.
Speaker 3: We're do an island, but we do. We're doing a
Speaker 3: few others. We're heading out to Peru and the places Cambodia,
Speaker 3: just because it's delightful and obviously, you know, we encourage people,
Speaker 3: you know, to just check out the website, go and
Speaker 3: do your own exploring. You know, you don't have to
Speaker 3: come with us on the tours if you don't want
Speaker 3: to do that kind of thing, but we are, we
Speaker 3: are super passionate. We really want to, especially when it
Speaker 3: comes to Turkey. We want to show people what's going
Speaker 3: on there because you can go there, you can go yourself,
Speaker 3: and you're going to miss loads of things if you
Speaker 3: don't know what you're looking. It's all very intricate. So
Speaker 3: we do encourage people to check all that out. There's
Speaker 3: there's a whole world to explore. Fantastic. Hugh is always
Speaker 3: a real lesson on what's going on. And I appreciate
Speaker 3: your time and continue success.
Speaker 1: Thanks Cliff, it's been great talking to you.
Speaker 2: The photography that he presents on this presentation are just
Speaker 2: cutting the edge outstanding. I mean, within a few months
Speaker 2: ago he's taken photographs of some of the new excavations,
Speaker 2: some of the new items statuary, and it continues to
Speaker 2: be fairly insightful because we don't hear enough in the
Speaker 2: news about the excavations at any of these sites. We
Speaker 2: I mean, if it wasn't for Hugh and Andrew and
Speaker 2: Delma and occasionally Mohammed Amberheim reporting on Turkey, we wouldn't
Speaker 2: know anything about it. The general consensus isn't you know,
Speaker 2: seeing is not going to pick up information unless it's
Speaker 2: like groundbreaking, Like there's a number of figure statues that
Speaker 2: I think are outstanding, but they don't typically report on it.
Speaker 2: It has to be something fairly dramatic now because it's
Speaker 2: like go Beckley Tippy's Old News, even though it's the
Speaker 2: oldest temple in the world at nine thousand, five hundred
Speaker 2: BC going further back. So to see these images, go
Speaker 2: to Earth Ancients Facebook page. I'm going to have it
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Speaker 2: of unusual photos on that and we don't let everybody
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Speaker 2: Newman coming to us from England. As always, the team
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Speaker 2: All right, take care, be well and we will talk
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