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<v Speaker 1>M m.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's the applause, the applause for a new conference

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<v Speaker 2>that's coming our way. It is the Origins conference we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to feature today, which is part of the Mego

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<v Speaker 2>Lithomania group of conferences that's hosted by our friend, producer, writer, researcher,

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<v Speaker 2>investigator Hugh Newman and who is our guest today. Will

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<v Speaker 2>be speaking to him shortly, not only about the the

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<v Speaker 2>groups of people speaking, the themes of the of the

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<v Speaker 2>presentations that or conference. By the way, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be November one in London. But Hugh is on top

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<v Speaker 2>of it. He has a streaming format. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>charging forty or fifty bucks for the full day. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one day from ten am to seven pm for those

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<v Speaker 2>of you who can't stay up late or excuse me

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<v Speaker 2>early in the morning. It's all recorded and kept in

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<v Speaker 2>a file so you can hear people like Robert Temple

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<v Speaker 2>and Hugh jj Ainsworth many others will talk about them shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's got it down. He's smart, he knows what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. He's been doing conferences for a while. As

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<v Speaker 2>a former producer of programming for conferences, I appreciate what

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<v Speaker 2>Hugh does and that's why we have sponsored it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we were going on our third or fourth year now,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has a great lineup. He has an excellent lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Temple alone is worth the admission and he has streaming,

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<v Speaker 2>live streaming, automatically recording for you to pick up later,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just fantastic. Now a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>listen just to podcasts, that's great. We got a percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of people that are moving to our YouTube channel and

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of nice because you can see who's talking,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the graphics or whatever. For those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who don't have YouTube, don't enjoy watching podcasts, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you go to the Facebook page to see the graphics,

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<v Speaker 2>the supporting material. We call them podcast notes, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are the photographs, illustrations, graphics, whatever is in a book

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<v Speaker 2>that we're promoting, or part of a dialogue, part of

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<v Speaker 2>a presentation, part of an interview that we are presenting

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<v Speaker 2>for you, so you can get that material there. Today

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<v Speaker 2>we are gonna talk to you not only about the conference,

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<v Speaker 2>but I consider Hugh Newman one of the top names

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<v Speaker 2>of researchers who are in the Middle East, notably Turkey,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna hear details on new discoveries that not

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<v Speaker 2>only go Beckley Teppee, but one of the other Teppees,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Carahan Teppee, which seems to be carving central

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<v Speaker 2>for human human like figures. They've already found five eight

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<v Speaker 2>foot plus tall carved rock carved men, a number of animals,

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<v Speaker 2>and the list keeps going on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna see some new photographs. We're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 2>some new photographs that are being collected. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>just there a couple of years ago, and the Turks

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<v Speaker 2>have put together a fabulous world class museum to display

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<v Speaker 2>these artifacts. And I gotta tell you, although they're very rudimentary,

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<v Speaker 2>very crude in some ways, they are intelligently designed. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that you look at it's not like you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a Greek or Roman sculpture. They're much cruder

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<v Speaker 2>than that. But they're substantial, and that's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They are substantial. The other problem with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these sculptures is we just don't know what the meanings are.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't decoded the civilization that has created these subsurface temples.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that both Hugh jj Ainsworth and

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Collins have detected is that many, if not most,

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<v Speaker 2>of these underground subsurface temples are observatories of some kind.

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<v Speaker 2>And these t squared columns that were carved have little

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<v Speaker 2>notches and little protrusions and in some cases direct cuts

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<v Speaker 2>where they become sightlines for various constellations, the sun, the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>really observational tools that are now coming to light. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really know until just a few years ago what

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<v Speaker 2>these temples were, what these underground temples were. We still

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why they would cover them up to preserve

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<v Speaker 2>them and some of the dates, said Klaus Schmidt. The

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<v Speaker 2>archaeologists who uncovered the first go back to the temple.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't know what their purpose was, why they

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<v Speaker 2>would dig and cover it up again. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>suld be nice if we had some writing, if we

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<v Speaker 2>had some kind of way to decode these unusual temples.

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<v Speaker 2>But who was going to bring it all to us today?

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<v Speaker 2>And I have just received the full compliment of slides

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<v Speaker 2>that he is presenting at the upcoming November first Origins conference.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can't get there via personal passage or

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<v Speaker 2>via streaming media, you can see it on Facebook. We

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<v Speaker 2>got I'll probably post half of the presentation, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>got some brand new slides that are I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say profound, but we don't know if they're profound yet.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a new Man sculpture of a man that

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<v Speaker 2>just was discovered about a couple of months ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>posted it on the Facebook page. These are all very

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<v Speaker 2>very unusual. We were guessing what's going on, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting these incredibly old dates. Twelve thousand years ago, fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, and on and on and on. It

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<v Speaker 2>keeps pushing back. As Graham Hancock likes to say, things

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<v Speaker 2>just keep getting older. So a lot to enjoy. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can't get to the show, at least get

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<v Speaker 2>to the Facebook page and take a look at the

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<v Speaker 2>sculptures that he was presenting at the Origins conference November one,

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<v Speaker 2>so check that out. So today's program is Forgotten Turkey

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<v Speaker 2>and my guest is Hugh Newman. Hey. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the jungle this December first to the twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>on the Guatemala Sacred Temple tour, and this is an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity not only to climb pyramids, but to interact with

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<v Speaker 2>the local shaman in understanding what the Maya were up

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<v Speaker 2>to their state of mind and ceremony to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>the sacred temples and pyramids that will interact with This

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<v Speaker 2>is a chance to not only climb pyramids connect with them,

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<v Speaker 2>but also to taking the spirit and the consciousness that

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<v Speaker 2>is the genius of the Maya. If you'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>join us, go to Earthancents dot com, forward slash Tours

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see all the details. To get details on

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<v Speaker 2>the Guatemala tour, send an email to me at Earth

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients the number four of the letter you at gmail

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<v Speaker 2>dot com and join me for a private zoom conference

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<v Speaker 2>with our hosts Lydia and Arturo di Leong. Again. The

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<v Speaker 2>Guatemala tour is December first to the twelfth, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information, go to Earth Agents dot com, forward

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<v Speaker 2>slash Tours or send me an email Earth Agents the

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<v Speaker 2>number four the LETTERU at gmail dot com for a

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<v Speaker 2>discussion on just what we'll be doing. This tour is

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<v Speaker 2>perfect for you. It's that time a year again, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this most of the time that we have

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<v Speaker 2>a period where we're doing conferences, and we mentioned the

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<v Speaker 2>Italian Conference on Ancient History. It's going to be Italy,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're also sponsors of megal Lithomania's Origins conferences, Hugh

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<v Speaker 2>Newman and family and this I think, and I'll ask

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<v Speaker 2>you this question in a minute. I think we've been

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<v Speaker 2>sponsoring for at least three or four years and he's

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<v Speaker 2>always got a good lineup. Hughes traveled the world. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows who's who, and there's good speakers all over the

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<v Speaker 2>place and he typically has them. And so we want

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<v Speaker 2>to have Hugh on the program for a few hours

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about not only Origins but also his latest

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<v Speaker 2>discoveries in Turkey and what he's uncovered. So, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing? Man, good to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great, Cliff, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good. Well. You're in England right now, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean England you and are kind of not

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<v Speaker 3>too far from Stonehenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I always say that, you know, when I came

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<v Speaker 2>out to visit you, it's like, what's the city that

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<v Speaker 2>you're in? Is it Stone? Is it that the city

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<v Speaker 2>called Stonehenge?

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<v Speaker 3>It's in I mean technically we're in Stonehenge, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>In the in the inner works that they would consider

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<v Speaker 2>the grounds of Stonehenge.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, we're close to the Stonehenge and we are

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<v Speaker 3>to Amesbury, which is the local small town, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>village really and so yeah, so technically, you know with Stonehenge, really,

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<v Speaker 3>can you.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk to the actual facility from your home?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, it's like fifteen minute walk.

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<v Speaker 2>God they let people live there, but I guess you're

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<v Speaker 2>the village has probably been there for a thousand years, right.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the you know, these are the homes, the

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<v Speaker 3>houses that where people would look after Stonehenge and lived.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like the custodian kind of homes. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so this is like you know traditionally where you know

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<v Speaker 3>next door. We've got National Trust to kind of run

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<v Speaker 3>the whole landscape. I see, it's a fascinating place to live.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you that it's haunted as hell, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is really kind of it's called I love the megaliths.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like the ultimate place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, it's hard to do. You have the dead bodies

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<v Speaker 2>around of the workers over thousands of years. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's some weird stuff, but it's all good, nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds good. Hey, well talk about origines this year.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a great lineup. You have like one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite people, Robert Temple, Andrew Collins, Deborah Cartwright, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have Filippo Bioni and Armando May to come

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<v Speaker 2>back and talk about I guess they're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the stars, scans of the Pyramids or what's new

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<v Speaker 2>with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, they've got some good stuff. I mean that

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<v Speaker 3>they're constantly updating, you know, Amando or Filipo. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>delighted they're coming over. We met him a few times

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<v Speaker 3>this year and gone really well at a really good

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<v Speaker 3>time as well, so that's kind of cool. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but they've got they're gonna have new stuff to share

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<v Speaker 3>origins as well, so we're looking forward to that. They've

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<v Speaker 3>just been at a conference in America where they are

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<v Speaker 3>getting now backing from people like.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Dunn and others.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's really cool, and I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people are now realizing these are kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>serious people, you know when it comes to this kind

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, what they have is groundbreaking. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm having Graham Hancock on the program at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. He does not really feel strong enough

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<v Speaker 2>about the star tech to comment on it, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that The military has been using it for years,

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<v Speaker 2>a similar type of scanning equipment, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>quite quite interesting. In fact, it's one of those top

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<v Speaker 2>secret UH applications that they use for bunker busting. They

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<v Speaker 2>can pierce the ground and go I think a mile underground.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me share the screen?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I?

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<v Speaker 3>Should I share my screen? I'll get some good graphics

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff. Yeah, Yea'll do that. So I let's try that.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to send request, so we're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>edit this bit out unfortunately, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You go give me like here go, You're good to go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's too, that's just maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyhow, we had an Armando on res and

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<v Speaker 2>he is still blowing people away with what he's showing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny because you heard Zahi jas on

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<v Speaker 2>Rogan's program saying it's not valid. What they're showing is

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<v Speaker 2>not valid.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I was like, christ, Yeah, I find that

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<v Speaker 3>strange because you know this is you know that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Filipo's a scientist for starters, He's been doing analysis underground

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there's something going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, I havn't met The Origins conference is excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first time doing stuff in Britain or in England.

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew's obviously Andrew Collins. He's got his republished updated book.

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<v Speaker 2>Beneath the Pyramids, the Kids of the pyramids are.

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<v Speaker 3>The tunnels, initially the tunnels and caves that he discovered

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<v Speaker 3>back in two thousand and so that's the that's one

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<v Speaker 3>notably in his book Egyptian Dawn, well he was looking

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<v Speaker 3>then he found more evidence of other places under you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Cafre research project. And so yeah, so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>all this obviously at the conference. But obviously we're going

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<v Speaker 3>Because of our discovery of the Carahan Tepe witness solstice,

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<v Speaker 3>I found evidence going way way back. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>be presenting all this at the Conference of Solstices, going

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<v Speaker 3>back into Paleolithic times and this obsession with it and

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<v Speaker 3>now that really became a thing which ended up at

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<v Speaker 3>places like Carahan Tepe. So people think the oldest solstice

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<v Speaker 3>There's something there's something much more profound, much more ancient

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<v Speaker 3>all that. And one of the other guys we've got,

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<v Speaker 3>a dig here in October near me, and he's been

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<v Speaker 3>working on the Mesolithic again the same era as Beckley

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<v Speaker 3>Tepe really but in England around Stonehenge and a cycle

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<v Speaker 3>blick Mead, but also at Stonehenge, which I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>be talking about. You know that they had solstice alignments.

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<v Speaker 3>They're ten thousand years ago. But he's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to get all the updates and that is

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<v Speaker 3>literally starting this month in October, and yeah, I' going

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<v Speaker 3>to be meeting him before the conference. He's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be staying really near me, so I'll get some exclusive

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<v Speaker 3>some updates on what he's looking at here because I

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<v Speaker 2>I want to mention that you also have Debbie Cartwright

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<v Speaker 2>a week or so promoting the actual conference. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to also remind you guys listening the website say to

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<v Speaker 2>get more information is Origins Conference dot co dot uk.

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<v Speaker 2>And also Hugh talk a little bit about the streaming package.

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<v Speaker 2>If people obviously can't get there, they can get on

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<v Speaker 2>there and pay. I think you said it was fifty

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<v Speaker 2>three dollars US to pay for the streaming and streaming

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<v Speaker 2>live correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So what we do is we've got a multi

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<v Speaker 3>camera set up, We've got a whole whole kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a really good team, a really good wo'll be doing

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<v Speaker 3>it with us for years. They get their blood professional

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<v Speaker 3>former TV guys and so there he will be doing

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<v Speaker 3>it live, you know with all the slides, bloody Die

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<v Speaker 3>everything else. But also people can then watch the archive

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<v Speaker 3>you know, at their leisure forever basically, And so we

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<v Speaker 3>don't put these up on YouTube for about six months

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<v Speaker 3>or a year, but they will eventually be up free.

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<v Speaker 3>But by then all the new stuff's come out by then.

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<v Speaker 3>So we recommend people check it out because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>effort into kind of getting these really cool speakers, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're getting a really good set up.

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<v Speaker 2>In the venue.

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<v Speaker 1>It all looks really good.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got you know, good quality sound, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're capturing the screen images as well, the slide present

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<v Speaker 2>presentations are. So you're going you're editing clean editing between

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we do live editing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's killer. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>worth fifty three dollars is nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I don't know how you're making any funny, but

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that number. So so let me think, now,

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<v Speaker 2>be at night in the US, so it's.

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<v Speaker 3>A bit more leisurely in the US. You have a

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<v Speaker 2>So exactly, So what November first is Saturday?

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<v Speaker 3>Right November the first year, we're you know, people who

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<v Speaker 3>want to come to the conference, we're actually doing a

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<v Speaker 3>Avebury tour, you know, the largest stone circle in the

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<v Speaker 3>world on the Sunday, So we do a little walk about.

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<v Speaker 3>We will get together. Andrew is probably going to be

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Get out and about as well, you know, even though

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be like the winter but not it

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<v Speaker 3>won't be too freezing by there. But yeah, so but

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<v Speaker 3>the live stream and he has forty UK pounds or

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<v Speaker 3>it's ends up being like fifty three bucks or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that, so it's very reasonable. Plus you get access

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<v Speaker 3>to it, you know, we do give access to other things.

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<v Speaker 3>We might get a few exclusive little interviews while we're

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<v Speaker 3>there as well. It will only be available on the

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<v Speaker 3>stream and things like that. So yeah, people can check

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<v Speaker 3>it out at Origins Conference dot co dot uk and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they can get in touch with me via

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<v Speaker 3>the website as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And which number is this? Is this the tenth annual

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<v Speaker 2>Origins I can't remember how far? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Is No, Well, we don't do it every year. We

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<v Speaker 3>it's been a while, but we skipped a few years,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't. You know, this is just a kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, megaliths mainly is our big thing. We

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<v Speaker 3>do you know, to two day three days of tours

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<v Speaker 3>on top of that every May. But this is kind

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<v Speaker 3>deep origins of civilization, not necessarily just talk about megaliths,

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<v Speaker 3>other things as well, you know, kind of going into

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of why we set out myself and

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So before I let you go, where is it

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<v Speaker 2>it an airbnb or is there a hotel, a proper

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<v Speaker 3>There are some, Yeah, there were a few hotels, and

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<v Speaker 3>not actually directly and pusy funnily enough where we do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's a train station, so people come in for

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<v Speaker 3>just in the small town. So and there's lots of

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<v Speaker 3>the surrounding towns. There's loads of hotels and things like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but generally people come here for the day or if

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<v Speaker 3>they're you know, driving in, they stay over somewhere nearby.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's kind of cool and there's lots of

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<v Speaker 2>Used to visit London and visit the British Museum, which

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<v Speaker 3>It's also like, you know, Bristol. If they're flying in,

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<v Speaker 3>you can fly into Bristol. It's not too far away.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it's easy to get to. Basically, we've got

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<v Speaker 3>a giant car parks. You know, people can just drive

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<v Speaker 3>in and stay there. It's totally fine. We've got really

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<v Speaker 2>So what are you charging converted to us? What's what's

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<v Speaker 2>the fee to get in for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. I can't remember, Tom.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's about six sixty I think it's about

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<v Speaker 3>fifty five pounds. I believe about seventy dollars something like bugs.

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<v Speaker 2>it's hey, it's compared to American conferences it's pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Just get Luckily, we get quite a lot of people coming,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a we have a good time. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>nice little winter get together over sam Hay and Halloween time.

421
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<v Speaker 3>You know, everyone can kind of get together. And it's

422
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<v Speaker 3>one of the things I like about conferences as well,

423
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<v Speaker 3>a bit like the tours, but more the conferences because

424
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<v Speaker 3>you have like one hundred and two hundred people all

425
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<v Speaker 3>turning up haven't seen each other for months now. We'll

426
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<v Speaker 3>get to hang out, you know, we all get to

427
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<v Speaker 3>hang out and kind of hear the latest stuff, you know,

428
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<v Speaker 3>share ideas, Yeah, sign a few books, this, that and

429
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<v Speaker 3>the other.

430
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<v Speaker 1>So it's like it's a good it's a good vibe. Excellent.

431
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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk about your latest discoveries. You're going

432
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<v Speaker 2>to be presenting at the conference as well. Origins Conference

433
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<v Speaker 2>and you are the Quebecy teppee boy is all I

434
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<v Speaker 2>can think of it used to be Coylin Andrews. Now

435
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<v Speaker 2>it's you and there's been some discoveries there and once

436
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<v Speaker 2>you talk a little bit about the latest research that

437
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<v Speaker 2>you have Encourverreed.

438
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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, I mean the whole area, which has become

439
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 3>known as Tastapola, which basically means Stone Hills, is growing.

440
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean we're talking you know, for a while, a

441
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<v Speaker 3>long while, there was only Quebec lee Tepe that was

442
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:40.279
<v Speaker 3>the big site, dates to eleven thousand, six hundred years ago.

443
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:46.839
<v Speaker 3>Now we've got Carahan Tepe, the Saber. There's some sites

444
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<v Speaker 3>that are just being started to be excavated, like habet

445
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<v Speaker 3>Zu van Cepe, Tepe Chak Mac Tape, even a jan

446
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Lahoyec as well, which we'll talk about shortly.

447
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<v Speaker 1>So there's a whole load.

448
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<v Speaker 3>Of stuff kind of going on there, and it's stretching,

449
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, into a wide area which I call a

450
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 3>super civilization. That's going to be kind of title of

451
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:07.960
<v Speaker 3>the next book that me and JJ are working on.

452
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<v Speaker 3>But if we started to Beckley Tape, for instance, because

453
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<v Speaker 3>there's actually brand new stuff coming out of there, and

454
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<v Speaker 3>there's more controversies coming out of there as well, which

455
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.079
<v Speaker 3>I think are going to surprise people. Obviously we've got

456
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<v Speaker 3>the main the main enclosures that everyone knows about. There's

457
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<v Speaker 3>talk now of a new GPR scan is going to

458
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<v Speaker 3>be taking place. This is there's one that was done

459
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<v Speaker 3>in twenty fourteen or between twenty twelve and twenty fourteen.

460
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<v Speaker 3>But they're going to be doing a new scan ground

461
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 3>penetrating radiar and then they're going to decide what they're

462
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<v Speaker 3>going to do next. Because there's all the olive trees,

463
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 3>which was a big controversy, they've all now gone.

464
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<v Speaker 2>There's going to be stuff if just for a minute

465
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<v Speaker 2>you there's been a lot of discussion of corporations buying

466
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<v Speaker 2>the facility and not excavating anymore. Apparently I can't remember

467
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<v Speaker 2>who was talking about it, but it was it's gotten

468
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<v Speaker 2>it to the point where it's a museum rather than

469
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<v Speaker 2>an archaeological site. What's the story on that.

470
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so there's been a lot of debate.

471
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<v Speaker 3>There's a gentleman called Jimmy Corsetti, Yes, thank you. Does

472
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<v Speaker 3>Bright Insight is a very interesting chat. He's been really

473
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<v Speaker 3>pushing because he's done a lot of research on it.

474
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<v Speaker 3>I kind of assisted him with a little bit of

475
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 3>that actually, and he's found that there's an involvement from

476
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<v Speaker 3>the w EF, the World Economic Forum. They had a

477
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<v Speaker 3>big thing about Coebecley Tappe and Davos when they had

478
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.119
<v Speaker 3>the big meeting there. He's found out over twenty million

479
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 3>of funding euros has come in and they kind of

480
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 3>it's almost started seeing saying they slowed down the excavation,

481
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 3>are focused on conservation and tourism and building all this

482
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff over the site, which is some new stuff. I'm

483
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 3>going to show you that, which is a bit I'm

484
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 3>not too keen on that.

485
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<v Speaker 2>The reason I'm interrupting you is that Corsetti showed some

486
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<v Speaker 2>photos of these olive trees planted on the archaeological site.

487
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like frit Scene who allowed that.

488
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<v Speaker 1>They've been there.

489
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<v Speaker 3>They've been there for years. I mean, they've been there

490
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<v Speaker 3>since I've been going there. Oh and I think I

491
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 3>think it wasn't I don't think it was when they

492
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 3>were when they were planting. It was planted by the

493
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 3>family to improve improve the soil, improve the kind of

494
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 3>increase the value of the site so.

495
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>They get more commission and things like this.

496
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<v Speaker 3>But then they realized, you know, there's a debate as

497
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 3>to whether they realized they causing damage underneath, or whether

498
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy pushed forward to kind of get them removed. But

499
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.200
<v Speaker 3>whatever happened, you know, I think Jimmy was doing the

500
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 3>right thing and bringing that to people's attention. And now

501
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 3>they've removed all of them, and so now they're going

502
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.519
<v Speaker 3>to do a GPR scan, which is fascinating it and

503
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 3>they've actually, as we'll see in a moment, they've changed

504
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>some of the pathways.

505
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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

506
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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we all return shortly

507
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 2>with my guests today. Hugh Newman coming to us from

508
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<v Speaker 2>London and he is discussing the New Origins Conference November

509
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:42.839
<v Speaker 2>one of this year. Will be right back. My guest

510
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<v Speaker 2>today is Hugh Newman. He is a author, research investigator

511
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<v Speaker 2>and has made a personal study of Quebecle Teppe, Carahan

512
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<v Speaker 2>Teppe and many of the unusual sites that are found

513
00:29:54.799 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>in northern Turkey. So I was there two years ago

514
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<v Speaker 2>and you're saying that they have removed all of the

515
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<v Speaker 2>olive trees on all sides of the area.

516
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the whole site, the whole site has now kind

517
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 3>of gone none left. I mean there's a few handful left.

518
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 3>That's it, just a few, so it's not too much really.

519
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So what's the latest discoveries talk a little bit about

520
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>what they have uncovered.

521
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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, when we were there this if you look

522
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 3>at this, this discovery was found in the wall. If

523
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 3>people can see this image, there's you know, it's quite

524
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 3>well known. You can google, you can see it online.

525
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>They found this human statue is about three feet long

526
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>inside a wall. The one in the middle is actually

527
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 3>a representation of another statue was found several years ago,

528
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 3>which is similar to it, and they've kind of put

529
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 3>that now in the museum. So people don't know whether

530
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<v Speaker 3>because it was placed in the wall, it was some

531
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<v Speaker 3>kind of votive offering or whether it was just used

532
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<v Speaker 3>to as a you know, it was knackled old bit

533
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 3>of stone and they used it as a brick in

534
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:00.680
<v Speaker 3>a wall, you know, which I think it's quite interesting.

535
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 3>So there's different debates about what that is. But often,

536
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, when you're placing stuff like that, it's like

537
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 3>it's in the foundations, and so it to me it

538
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>feels like although it's probably added later after the main

539
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 3>site of being constructed, it is has meaning.

540
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.119
<v Speaker 1>It's not just placed there randomly.

541
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<v Speaker 3>And I think that I think that that's my opinion

542
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 3>on it, based upon other stuff they found which has

543
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.759
<v Speaker 3>been placed in walls at other sites and things like

544
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 3>this which seem to have meaning as well. But what

545
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.319
<v Speaker 3>they're meaning is, we don't know. But it doesn't have

546
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 3>any legs. It's like hands sort of coming up. It's

547
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 3>almost coming up the front like this, not really touching

548
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 3>the navel, they're kind of coming up the front. And

549
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 3>it's got a kind of unusual, kind of almost alien

550
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 3>like head on it, which we find in many of

551
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 3>the statues at quebecley Tepe. But while we were there

552
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 3>this was being discovered and so that we found this

553
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 3>quite intriguing, and soon after, you know, and then it

554
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 3>got announced like two days after we were there in

555
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 3>September twenty twenty five. While we were there, we were

556
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.000
<v Speaker 3>noticing that there's lots of construction works taking place inside

557
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Enclosure C at quebeculey Tepe. This is one of the

558
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 3>main enclosures that everyone looks at. The Closure D is

559
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 3>the main one which in the background that you can

560
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 3>see there, but Enclosure see, they're actually like rebuilding the

561
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 3>walls and rebuilding the ta pillars of the main tea

562
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 3>pillar inside the site, actually gluing it back together like

563
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 3>a jigsaw. As you can see here, they're kind of

564
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 3>like just piecing it back together, which I thought was

565
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 3>very odd. But and the problem is this wall you

566
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:40.039
<v Speaker 3>see that they're rebuilding is going over some of the

567
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 3>tea pillars and actually covering up some of the three

568
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 3>D reliefs, which really surprised me because this wall. They

569
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 3>think that basically the walls were placed there between the

570
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 3>tea pillars the very early earliest point of construction in

571
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>nine thousand and six hundred BC. There's no actual evidence

572
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>of that. There's no evidence that these walls weren't added

573
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>later just to hold things up and kind of separate

574
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 3>the enclosures. And so because you wouldn't create these three

575
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 3>D reliefs and then build a wall straight over it,

576
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 3>maybe in a few generations you might have done it

577
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 3>just to kind of prop up the stones. So we

578
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know what if they're reconstructing it, if it's actually

579
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 3>based on the original design, because they haven't actually excavated

580
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 3>below these walls and further down, so they could be

581
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 3>building over actual excavation, which needs to be done, which

582
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 3>will never see again now because these are permanent. So

583
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 3>there is a bit of an issue going on there.

584
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.160
<v Speaker 3>We even had the Japanese princess turn up and just

585
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>a couple of days after we were there, and she

586
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of was having a look. She was also involved

587
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 3>in the archaeological project because as a Japanese team taken

588
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 3>over one of the test table of sites. But as

589
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 3>you can see you see in the back there it

590
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 3>actually reconstructed the t pillar step back together.

591
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes it's massive.

592
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 3>And so here's here's a couple of shot, some shots

593
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.640
<v Speaker 3>before and after. You see that, you know on the

594
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 3>left side of both pictures.

595
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Quickly do they think that these tea pillars were purposely

596
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>damaged and crushed two or a collapsed so that they

597
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:07.799
<v Speaker 2>could cover them up?

598
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 3>These were these were destroyed before the site was closed

599
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 3>down years ago. So this is a part is what

600
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 3>we see a Carahan tape where the site itself is

601
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 3>almost deliberately damaged. We see another view of it here.

602
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 3>Wow big, I mean there's a big. These are a

603
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.599
<v Speaker 3>massive the's like eighteen feet tall roughly. So these are beasts,

604
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, so that you know, and the bedrock you

605
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.760
<v Speaker 3>see the sort of bedrock. There's like a bedrock pedestal

606
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 3>there that's that's all carved down from bedrock. So there's

607
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 3>like massive bedrock carving going on here. And I believe

608
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 3>even around the edge they had a curb kind of

609
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.440
<v Speaker 3>coming around the edge which they would slot the tea

610
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.760
<v Speaker 3>pillars in before the walls were built. You can actually

611
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 3>see that in this reconstruction. If you look on the

612
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 3>left hand side, you can see that there's like a

613
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 3>bedrock curb. I can show pick within the bedrock itself.

614
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 3>And got another image here before and after. That's the

615
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 3>back of the tea pillar and you can actually see

616
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like a bit rough. It's kind of

617
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 3>like being damaged and things like that, but it gives you,

618
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 3>it gives you some impression, you know. And I think

619
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 3>they're going to be doing more and more of this reconstruction,

620
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>but I just hope they don't do too much where

621
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 3>they then building over the archaeology where they could be

622
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 3>discoveries to be made. And you also have to question,

623
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 3>why are they spending time and money on this when

624
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.159
<v Speaker 3>ninety or to ninety five percent of the site has

625
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 3>not been excavated. You know, they could just be doing that.

626
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Why an't they doing that? And so that that baffle

627
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>has always baffled me.

628
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<v Speaker 1>Well, we got to.

629
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<v Speaker 2>Admit this because they have spent a hell of a

630
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>lot of money on this huge enclosure and so they

631
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>probably want to get as much tourism as they can

632
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>out of the things. So they're making this thing that

633
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>the prime object object to go to go view.

634
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, no, for sure, you know, but but you

635
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 3>know one of the things, Yeah, it tidies it up

636
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 3>as well. You look at that, you look at like

637
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 3>you could basically see like the floor. Now it's a

638
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 3>lot more tidy, tidy it up. They put this all

639
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 3>this rubble back together basically. So in a way it

640
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.519
<v Speaker 3>makes sense, you know, it's like a logical They're doing

641
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 3>it at Carahan Tepe already we can see some of

642
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 3>the enclosures they will look at shortly, and so it

643
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 3>makes sense. But I'm just concerned about the walls mainly

644
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 3>being built, you know, being rebuilt, because these are covering

645
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 3>up stuff they haven't even excavated yet, I think, you know,

646
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 3>so this is where the issue comes in, Hugh.

647
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Is it because they have found artifacts close to the

648
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 2>wall area and you're you're thinking they should be digging

649
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 2>deeper or what.

650
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they just haven't got down to the bedrock in

651
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of places, so there's going to be stuff there.

652
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a porthole stone at the back end

653
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 3>of Enclosure Sea, which was Andrew and I suppoted back

654
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 3>in twenty fifteen, and it's just in the rubble and

655
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 3>that's just being forgotten about. And there's rubbable now going

656
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 3>over the top of it. And that should have been

657
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 3>placed in this new wall because that would have been

658
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 3>the northern orientation they you know. So there's issues like that.

659
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 3>But one of the interesting things that I've noticed, you know,

660
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 3>when you look at this, it's actually confirmed something I

661
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 3>was researching before that, and that is the geometry I

662
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 3>found that they it's almost like they've tied in it

663
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 3>up and you can see more of the enclosure, and

664
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 3>it's actually confirmed what I was saying all along that

665
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 3>enclosure to see it as a very specific geometry, which

666
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>is called a flat and circle modified type B based

667
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 3>upon the work of Alexander tom and the British dose circles.

668
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.760
<v Speaker 3>So that made my day. You know that that is

669
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 3>now being confirmed. But also we have Enclosure D, which

670
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 3>is behind it that's now been tided up. There's there's

671
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.199
<v Speaker 3>been all the new discoveries with the Boor statue, which

672
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 3>we'll look at in a moment, but that is now

673
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 3>proved that there's a geometry there which we can see here.

674
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 3>And this this back again backs up my theory that

675
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 3>they were working with very sophisticated, very very specific types

676
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 3>of geometry based upon the work of Alexander tom and

677
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 3>the stone circles he decoded in the British Aisles, and

678
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.000
<v Speaker 3>so that is quite interesting. So the more they clear away,

679
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 3>the more they excavate, the more they kind of tidy

680
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 3>things up, the more shapes come out, which seem to

681
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 3>just keep coming up with these specific geometries. We get

682
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 3>that and Enclosure B as well in Enclosure A and

683
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 3>where you know, since more's being cleared up, it's shown

684
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.360
<v Speaker 3>that it's an egg shape, a very specific egg shape

685
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 3>that we find, you know, in other stone circles around

686
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 3>the world.

687
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm quite intrigued by all this.

688
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 3>There's a you know, there's a negative side, where why

689
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.000
<v Speaker 3>aren't they doing more excavation, Why are they rebuilding all

690
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.440
<v Speaker 3>this stuff? But at the same time it's clearing stuff

691
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.000
<v Speaker 3>away it's revealing the geometries, it's revealing these new discoveries.

692
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 3>So there's a it's two sides to the coin. I

693
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 3>think you've got to look at it both ways. Let's

694
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 3>just hope with this big GPR scan that they're planning

695
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 3>to do this month apparently, that they'll find more and

696
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 3>they'll be able to actually dig deeper and they'll be

697
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 3>able to actually be able to have a look at

698
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>what's going on kind of under the ground there a

699
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.360
<v Speaker 3>little bit more. Mean, they did the scan years ago,

700
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 3>but I think they need that they've got better technology,

701
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.280
<v Speaker 3>they're going to do it again, so I think that

702
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the key.

703
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious your theory that this is something that relates

704
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 2>to Tom's work. Was there a roof on these enclosures

705
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>or not, because if they're doing sight skins into the sky,

706
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>they can't have a roof. They have to have either

707
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a sight line that opens up somewhere or no roof

708
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>at all.

709
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, No, it depends because you know you've got if

710
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 3>it is all about the walls, right, because if the

711
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 3>wolves aren't there, they're not blocking anything. You can see

712
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 3>in between the outer tea pillars in the outer ring,

713
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, into the horizon. So a lot of a

714
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 3>lot of the stuff I've been looking at and jj

715
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 3>is horizon astronomy, like the sun and the moon rising

716
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 3>or setting on the horizon. So you don't even if

717
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 3>it had a roof will make any difference because you're

718
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 3>looking through like a gap, like a window between two That's.

719
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.280
<v Speaker 2>What I'm wondering, if it's like a you know, a

720
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.239
<v Speaker 2>sight line of somekin.

721
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are speculations that there were roofs, obviously

722
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 3>that this has been put forward by various kind of archaeologists,

723
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 3>but there's no evidence. All they found is two negatives

724
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 3>where they think two poles may have once existed. But

725
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 3>it's now been proven that this fell down from the

726
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.360
<v Speaker 3>higher up elevation of the later structures, which we know

727
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:36.360
<v Speaker 3>had roofs on them.

728
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 1>These are small square and.

729
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Structs square structures, and so there's no direct evidence. But

730
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 3>we've proven over and over again, and we can look

731
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 3>at that Carahan tape shortly that even with roofs it

732
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 3>won't affect the kind of astronomy we're looking at because

733
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.159
<v Speaker 3>there's going to be gaps in the outer walls between

734
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.920
<v Speaker 3>the tea pillars, the in the you know, the outer ring,

735
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 3>so makes no difference. But the other problem is is

736
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 3>that we've had engineers, structural engineers join us on our

737
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 3>tours there and they've looked at it, and so they

738
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 3>can't be a root because all the tea pillars are

739
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 3>slightly different heights and there's no damage on top of them.

740
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 3>There would be there's a wood place on top of them,

741
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 3>and they're not structural, They're just not structural. These are

742
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 3>more symbolic, you know, And these tea pillars might look structural,

743
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 3>but they're not very shallow pits, very shallow sockets.

744
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>So if there was.

745
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Any wind or rain or movement, it would knock all

746
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 3>the tea pillars over, you know, especially the central ones.

747
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 3>So it wouldn't really function like that. I mean, but

748
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 3>again we're speculating as much as the archaeologist are speculating

749
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 3>that there was a roof, you know, because there's no

750
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 3>evidence to back it up as such.

751
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yet, are you guys still holding to the cover ded

752
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 2>at twelve thousand years ago where they covered it up

753
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>or is it gotten in the order?

754
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, the old dates, they've got a close to nine thousand,

755
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 3>six hundred BC as their construction dates and then around

756
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Speaker 3>eight thousand b C or thereabouts they started. But there

757
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 3>were slope slides that filled in that enclosure d and

758
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 3>some of the enclosures, so there was a natural kind

759
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 3>of infilling. They cleared them out, they did repairs and

760
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.360
<v Speaker 3>things like this. This is in prehistory, and then they

761
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 3>deliberately covered up the rest of the site. This is

762
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 3>pretty much improven now. It's so, you know, there's there

763
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.639
<v Speaker 3>was this big debate that these slope slides buried the

764
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.599
<v Speaker 3>entire site, but that's that's literally impossible because there's you

765
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 3>can't slope slide upwards. You know, there's there's stuff above

766
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 3>where the slope slide happened, phil that are being placed

767
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 3>there by people and so and Krahan Tepa. There's a

768
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 3>scientific paper by the head archaeologist Nesmi Keral who's proven

769
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:55.199
<v Speaker 3>beyond doubt that there was a deliberate burial there as well.

770
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 3>And so we pretty much know that for a fact

771
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 3>that you know, both these sites and other test Temple

772
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 3>of sites, this is this is in fact, how they've

773
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 3>been preserved so well.

774
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Is that they were buried, you know.

775
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 3>But weirdly, the building of the people at the site

776
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.639
<v Speaker 3>damaged it some of the site, some of the site

777
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:18.719
<v Speaker 3>then buried it. So it's annoying, you know, yeah, but

778
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 3>not all of it. Some of it got preserved, some

779
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 3>of it even got reconstructed.

780
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

781
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>When I was there a couple of years ago, I mean,

782
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the main pit was open. But you're saying that Gorbeckley

783
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Tepe consists of what twelve pits.

784
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 3>There's there's a well, there's there's about five or so

785
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 3>enclosures are being uncovered. These are the main ones, the

786
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 3>main ones in the southeast depression, but they started on

787
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 3>some other ones in the northwest but not continued them.

788
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 3>It just some years ago and so no, very very little.

789
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, technically, there's some smaller ones going heading west

790
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 3>from the main enclosure. You can actually see that on

791
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 3>the scan. You can see it going to the enclosure

792
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 3>f which has got interesting a summer solstice alignment, and

793
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 3>some other ones. They're smaller later enclosures. Some of those

794
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 3>are being excavated. But as you see on just the

795
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 3>scan they did like ten to fifteen years ago, there's

796
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 3>giant enclosures under there. They're not they're thinking they might

797
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 3>not excavate, which I cannot believe. This is one of

798
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 3>the things Jimmy Corsett has been talking about, Look, why

799
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 3>aren't they excavating this?

800
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I had twelve million dollars. What's that

801
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>money going towards?

802
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:36.079
<v Speaker 3>And twenty million euros at least, oh euros is what

803
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about. That's conservation, that's building the visitors center

804
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 3>and things like that. Stuff like that's what that's been

805
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 3>spent on, you know. And so there's a potentially twenty

806
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 3>one enclosures now that's the theory that and only five

807
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 3>or six are being excavated, you know, started to be

808
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 3>looked at properly, and so the potential is insane. I

809
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 3>mean what baffles me is that we have some archaeologists

810
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 3>who are saying, oh, you don't need to dig anymore,

811
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 3>We've got enough information. But I don't buy that because

812
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 3>you look at what's happening at carahand Teppe and say Birch.

813
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.360
<v Speaker 3>They're discovering constantly daily whilst they're pushing forward with the

814
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 3>excavations at those sites, and so it kind of makes

815
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 3>you wonder what on Earth is going on and why

816
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 3>they want to slow it down when they could really

817
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 3>be speeding it up, you know, with all the interest,

818
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 3>all the money that's coming into the country.

819
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I just hope they do, you know. I just hope there's.

820
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 3>More done at Quebecley Tepp, and I hope this GPR

821
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>scan they're planning reveals more and they can actually kind

822
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.559
<v Speaker 3>of go into where they've removed the olive trees and

823
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 3>actually start digging.

824
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Excellent, Hey, let's go to carahand Teppy. I had a

825
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.079
<v Speaker 2>chance to see it in an early phase a couple

826
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of years ago. I wanted to ask you they found

827
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 2>a human skull there. I think it was there, and

828
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to my mind, I think I read that it was

829
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>petrified stone, which means it is it would have a

830
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>great age. I have not heard anything since in the

831
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.320
<v Speaker 2>last twenty four months about there. Do you any information.

832
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know about a petrified skull.

833
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 3>I know they found bones and skeletons and skulls. They

834
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 3>found them at say Birch as well.

835
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

836
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine it to be petrified unless it was

837
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.599
<v Speaker 3>just buried in you know, rock and dirt and things

838
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 3>like this. But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But

839
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 3>this is like but they're finding a lot of stuff

840
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 3>on the top of the hill. Now this is the enclosure,

841
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 3>the main enclosure. This is brand new photos of the

842
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 3>enclosure at the top of the hill, just to give

843
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 3>it a perspective that that's the site. It's a bit

844
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.119
<v Speaker 3>of a rough photo. But now they're pushing up the

845
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:48.440
<v Speaker 3>hill and excavating more and more up there, so there's

846
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 3>quite a lot. There's quite a lot still being uncovered. Obviously,

847
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.480
<v Speaker 3>we know about the seven and a half foot human

848
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 3>statue holding its phalus with the ribs and the kind

849
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:03.840
<v Speaker 3>of almost sphinx like beard, and the porthole stone, and

850
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 3>we have this dude as well. We have the kind

851
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 3>of the vulture that was found in that particular enclosure.

852
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 3>But what is really fascinating to me is this they've

853
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 3>they're now really they've really gone to work on this

854
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 3>top enclosure where this statue and this vulture were found,

855
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 3>and they're revealing these really interesting scenario where the bedrock

856
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 3>cut bedrock floor, giant tea pillars in the center, twelve

857
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 3>ta pillars around the edge, just like we find it

858
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 3>a Beckley tepe, and these giant kind of benches carved

859
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.119
<v Speaker 3>out of bedrock in some cases, and with the tea

860
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 3>pillars were placed in between. We slotted into the bedrock.

861
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 3>So I think that was a design spec before any

862
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 3>walls were built at these sites.

863
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>When they were being constructed.

864
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 3>There's lots of artifacts, stone work detail is to be

865
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 3>honest with you, it is insane, is what is happening

866
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 3>in this.

867
00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Part of the world.

868
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Is a complete lost buried culture, a super civilization I

869
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 3>call it because it's so advanced the first time, and

870
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 3>it's astonishes me every time I go there. I go

871
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.920
<v Speaker 3>there at least twice a year, sometimes three times a year,

872
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 3>and it just blows my mind constantly. I just cannot

873
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 3>quite believe I was going to Carahan Tepe like when

874
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 3>nothing was there, nothing, you know, it was just a

875
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 3>few pillars, a little tops two or three inches of

876
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 3>a tea pillar sticking out the ground and I had

877
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 3>no inkling. This was underneath my feet every time I

878
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 3>walked there. I was going there for six or seven

879
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 3>years please, but started probably excavating.

880
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, it is older than go Beckley Tappey. It's

881
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>like fourteen thousand years, isn't it.

882
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.559
<v Speaker 3>No, that's one of that's one of the arguments for it,

883
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 3>but there's not been verified. Actually, they actually say it's

884
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 3>nineteen thousand and four hundred BC hundred, which is two

885
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred years younger than go Beckley Teppe. But you're right

886
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.880
<v Speaker 3>in one respect because they think they've actually there was

887
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:03.400
<v Speaker 3>actually kind of people frequenting the area before that, and

888
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.480
<v Speaker 3>they found evidence of tools and stone you know, little

889
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, like arrowheads and things like that in the

890
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 3>whole area on top and around Carahan Tepe, which go

891
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 3>back at least a thousand years before this. And so yeah,

892
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.880
<v Speaker 3>so there's something, there's something definitely going on there. But

893
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 3>this new enclosure I just find really really fascinating because

894
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 3>there's rumors of other statues have been found, but they

895
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 3>haven't been presented to the public yet. We've got some

896
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 3>information about that, but we can't really say much.

897
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 1>But there's more.

898
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 3>These stone plates, these beautiful stone plates have been uncovered,

899
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 3>intricate carvings. There's astronomical alignments emerging from these sites as well,

900
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 3>which something in the archaeologist aren't too keen on, but

901
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 3>they're there. They keep they keep turning up, you know,

902
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 3>it just keeps happening.

903
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 1>But there's more.

904
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you go down the hill, if you

905
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 3>actually go down the hill kind of to the bottom

906
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 3>part here. If you go down, you know, to the bottom,

907
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.119
<v Speaker 3>you can Actually they've actually found a few other things.

908
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is one.

909
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 3>So we've got the famous pillar shrine at the bottom

910
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 3>of the hill. We've got the kind of structure AB

911
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 3>it's called all the Pillars of the stone head as

912
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.920
<v Speaker 3>the winter Solstice alignment. But just in front of that,

913
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean JJ spotted this. They've now uncovered this like

914
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 3>a mini pillar shrine, you know, and it's actually got

915
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 3>one pillar or two pillars in it, carved out of

916
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 3>bedrock as well, so it's like a little phallus room,

917
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, like there's the big Fallus room structure AB,

918
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.000
<v Speaker 3>but this is like what the hell is this?

919
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>So that really intrigued us because.

920
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Last year I had the opportunity to go to something

921
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 3>that JJ's been researching for years, this site in central

922
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Turkey called get a Kaya Cave, and this goes back

923
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.079
<v Speaker 3>fourteen to sixteen thousand years old. Within the cave you

924
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 3>have something like this, but it's actually a stalagmite or

925
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 3>staleog tite coming out of the ground and it's revered

926
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 3>and been cut. It's got calved around it, were all

927
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 3>built around it, and it goes back to before the

928
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:07.159
<v Speaker 3>time of Carahan Tepe, long before, and yet we have

929
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.519
<v Speaker 3>a similar thing here as well. So so JJ was

930
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.599
<v Speaker 3>kind of looking at the comparisons of those two for

931
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 3>a long time, you know, with the pillar shrine, could

932
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 3>they be representations of natural features like you're getting caves

933
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 3>like stalimite, stalley types, things like this. And then this

934
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 3>one turned up and it looks almost like it's from

935
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.039
<v Speaker 3>the cave itself in way back, way further west in

936
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 3>central Turkey. So we found that quite intriguing. Actually, you know,

937
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 3>there's little things like this, little symbols of we believe

938
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 3>they're like fertility symbols turning up at these sites.

939
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.840
<v Speaker 2>We've got to take a short commercial break to allow

940
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:47.000
<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we all return shortly

941
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, Hugh Newman discussing new discoveries in Turkey.

942
00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Will be right back. My guest today is Hugh Newman.

943
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 2>He has made a study of many of these unusual

944
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 2>sites known as Quebeclee Teppe, Carahan Teppee and other unusual

945
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 2>sub level temples in northern Turkey. I'm curious. I don't

946
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>remember seeing any tools in any of the museum. How

947
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.679
<v Speaker 2>the hell did they cut that bedrug into flat walkways?

948
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>It's just must have taken forever.

949
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's a serious amount of work. I mean, I

950
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 3>mean it's impressive.

951
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Because they cut around and create columns, right and somebody,

952
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, it's insane.

953
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, so, yeah, they were using well there's antler picks,

954
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 3>there's flint, the fine stone work. They could use obsidian.

955
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 3>You can actually use obsidian for it as well. All

956
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 3>of these were available, you know, at this time, and

957
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:33.960
<v Speaker 3>so you know, we we do know that they were

958
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.639
<v Speaker 3>certainly they certainly did it, but they didn't have any

959
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 3>metal or anything like that. Orthough, there was copper found

960
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 3>at some sites, but it wasn't heated hardened copper. It

961
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 3>was just natural work copper with hammers and things like that.

962
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, there's there's there's a.

963
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Lot going on.

964
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a few other things here as well.

965
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean here is just there's a few extra carvings

966
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 3>have been emerged. I'm not sure exactly what all of

967
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.320
<v Speaker 3>these are, but the one, the one in the middle,

968
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.639
<v Speaker 3>there are those that can see this. Basically, we've got

969
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:05.559
<v Speaker 3>a three D relief on the front of a pillar

970
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.920
<v Speaker 3>like you find a quebecule Tepe the famous three D

971
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 3>critter crawling down the front. There's actually one at Carahan

972
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:16.519
<v Speaker 3>Tepe in the new enclosure that's been uncovered. We even

973
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 3>have nubs, you know, like the nubs you get in Peru.

974
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 3>There's a t pillar here with a nub on the

975
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 3>front of it, which is like probably not a nub

976
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 3>as we know it, but it's there, and it's like, oh,

977
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.079
<v Speaker 3>I got a sec you know, this is what the

978
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 3>hell's that?

979
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 1>You know?

980
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Why is that there? And so yeah, there's quite a

981
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 3>lot to a lot going on. And there's also that

982
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 3>they're they're rebuilding their kind of look on this image

983
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 3>here this these yellow areas. This is where they've they're

984
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 3>digging pits into the ground and they're going to be

985
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 3>building a roof at Krahan Tepeh.

986
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:51.320
<v Speaker 1>This is the news.

987
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.079
<v Speaker 3>This is this is like the news has been around

988
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 3>for a while, but they haven't started yet. We were

989
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 3>there in September, just a few weeks ago. But this

990
00:54:57.880 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 3>is what they wanted to look like. This is what

991
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 3>they think, yeah, yeah, oh no, And so these are

992
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 3>this is like the kind of graphics that come up now.

993
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.920
<v Speaker 3>It's obviously there's a positive it's going to protect the

994
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:12.280
<v Speaker 3>site because this hasn't been exposed for thousands of years,

995
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.440
<v Speaker 3>but it's gonna it's already they're already digging these holes

996
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.440
<v Speaker 3>into the archaeology, you know, clearly going down to the

997
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 3>bedrock to see where they could put these giant posts.

998
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 3>So that's slightly concerning. And we're also worried that that

999
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:29.800
<v Speaker 3>will block the winter solstice alignment the sun coming through,

1000
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.840
<v Speaker 3>but looking at the cmeach here, it might not because

1001
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 3>if they don't have sides on the roof, it's going

1002
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.480
<v Speaker 3>to be open. So the winter solstice sunlight should still

1003
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.719
<v Speaker 3>be able to get through and come through without being

1004
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.800
<v Speaker 3>interfered with, which is kind of what we hope that.

1005
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 3>That's what we're hoping anyway, But we'll see what happens

1006
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.280
<v Speaker 3>with that. I mean, we might we may or may

1007
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 3>not go back there in December because the thing the

1008
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.760
<v Speaker 3>problem is now that now it's becoming a fishful site.

1009
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 3>There's cameras up everywhere, the guards with guns people out

1010
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:03.119
<v Speaker 3>there too.

1011
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't. You can't.

1012
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Just before we could wander up there and walk about

1013
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.199
<v Speaker 3>and get shots of whatever we wanted. Now they're kind

1014
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 3>of a little bit strict, So we don't know if

1015
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 3>they'll even let us in for the winter Solstice sunrise,

1016
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 3>but we might go and try anyway because we feel

1017
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 3>it's like this should be a cultural phenomenon in Turkey.

1018
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.559
<v Speaker 3>This is like a major you know, just you know,

1019
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:25.679
<v Speaker 3>we think it's a major discovery. I mean, we're not

1020
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 3>blowing our own trumpet here a little bit, but we

1021
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 3>feel it needs to be kind of looked at because

1022
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.360
<v Speaker 3>if they were recording things like this the winter solstice

1023
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 3>back at this time, then they were very smart, very

1024
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 3>advanced people, and Garyan Teppe was almost like built around

1025
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.280
<v Speaker 3>this winter Solstice alonement. It could have been what their

1026
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.800
<v Speaker 3>culture was kind of based upon. So it just makes

1027
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 3>you wonder. I mean, for those that can see this

1028
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.039
<v Speaker 3>is we've got time lapse of what actually happens on

1029
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 3>the winter solstice. You can see the head getting illuminated

1030
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 3>and it lasts for forty five minutes.

1031
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Are you scanning in the pit to take this flow?

1032
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:05.400
<v Speaker 1>No, we weren't. We're just outside of it. But we had

1033
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the camera very low.

1034
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was going to say, wow, how did you

1035
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>get in?

1036
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and so that's this is what happens. So

1037
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 3>this alignment. You know, it perfectly fits in with what's

1038
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.000
<v Speaker 3>going on at the site, and you know, and so

1039
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, we've got just let me run this by.

1040
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 3>So regarding this new roof that they're going to build

1041
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 3>on the site, there's actually people think way way back

1042
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 3>there were roofs kind of on the site when it

1043
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 3>was being used, and we think, you know, there might

1044
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 3>be something to that. So we had our guy, Kevin Eslinger,

1045
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 3>was a graphic three D artist kind of test you know,

1046
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.719
<v Speaker 3>what it would be like when it was rebuilt with

1047
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:48.480
<v Speaker 3>this when a socials alignment still work. He put the

1048
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 3>the kind of roof on it, he put the wooden

1049
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.480
<v Speaker 3>beams on it, how they would fit the pillars if

1050
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.480
<v Speaker 3>they if there were kind of if there was a

1051
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.239
<v Speaker 3>construction there at ancient times. And I worked with him

1052
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 3>quite closely on it, you know, and things like this

1053
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Speaker 3>to make sure everything was in the right place. And

1054
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 3>we just found that between the two outer tea pillars

1055
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 3>on the left, some would come through between them. It

1056
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.559
<v Speaker 3>would almost be below just below the kind of roof

1057
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.519
<v Speaker 3>as I mentioned earlier, so these alignments may not be

1058
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 3>interfered with with the roof, and it actually would come

1059
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 3>through and it would illuminate the stone. And he recreated

1060
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 3>this all on computer with the night sky in nine

1061
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:29.519
<v Speaker 3>thousand BC and kind of put it all together. So

1062
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.800
<v Speaker 3>and even with a full thatch roof like this is

1063
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.599
<v Speaker 3>like a Native American style, he found the same thing.

1064
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 3>It would still work. It was still function even if

1065
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 3>it's a one small window in it which captures the

1066
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.599
<v Speaker 3>movement of the sun moving across the sky.

1067
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 2>That yees.

1068
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:46.639
<v Speaker 3>So we you know we're working. I'm working. I'm working

1069
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.519
<v Speaker 3>with Kevin on currently. We just started really pushing forward

1070
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 3>with our project to reconstruct carahan Tepe.

1071
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, does it feel huge? Does it feel like

1072
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a roof there or not? I mean, you're putting

1073
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.480
<v Speaker 2>a roof on it. Do you really have a good

1074
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:01.880
<v Speaker 2>feeling that that's how it was?

1075
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't. I don't personally think there was. You know,

1076
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:08.719
<v Speaker 3>that's my opinion based upon the reason. But that's what

1077
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 3>I thought. That's why I asked you. But there's but

1078
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:14.559
<v Speaker 3>so many people believe there was one and are kind

1079
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.039
<v Speaker 3>of disputing our winness solvedice alignment, saying that no, there

1080
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 3>won't work because there's a roof. We decided to put

1081
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.519
<v Speaker 3>it to the test and we basically came up trumps,

1082
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 3>but you know, so we're quite pleased about that. We

1083
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 3>even had a friend, Matt Sibson off Ancient Architects Channel.

1084
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 3>He was disputing our roof theory and he actually worked

1085
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 3>with Kevin Eslinger and myself and and and he basically confirmed.

1086
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.840
<v Speaker 3>He was blown away. Even with a roof it works.

1087
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely stunned by this. And if people are interested, I've

1088
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 3>actually put a full article together which people can read

1089
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 3>on academia dot org. We can link it, you know,

1090
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:51.599
<v Speaker 3>on the show somewhere.

1091
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 1>People can have a reader. But it's free.

1092
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:54.599
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's going to be a chapter, and it's

1093
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 3>going to be a chapter in our book with all

1094
00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:00.599
<v Speaker 3>the reconstructions and how and why it works. And we

1095
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 3>just encourage, you know, because we're coming up to the

1096
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.400
<v Speaker 3>winter solstice, I think, you know, I want to encourage

1097
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:09.519
<v Speaker 3>people to kind of somehow let's try and make Carahan

1098
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.199
<v Speaker 3>Tape a thing, because this is like New Grains, It's

1099
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.440
<v Speaker 3>like Stonehenge. This is like people can go once a

1100
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.000
<v Speaker 3>year and actually have a little celebration and observing something

1101
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.000
<v Speaker 3>the ancients built into the site and observe themselves.

1102
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.480
<v Speaker 2>So what I'm saying here is that this was I

1103
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:27.800
<v Speaker 2>think Schmidt. I don't know if Schmid was at krahan

1104
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Teppe or not. But this is an observatory. This is

1105
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>a celestial observatory. Yes, I believe so.

1106
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think it's very much focused on the

1107
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 3>solstices rather than the stars. That's what that's what, that's

1108
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 3>what we've found because you know, probably were the stars

1109
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 3>as well. That's something Andrew Collins and Graham Hancock and

1110
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.480
<v Speaker 3>others have looked at more than I have. But the

1111
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 3>fact is you've got this winter solstice alonement which is

1112
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.360
<v Speaker 3>so so profound. So you can go and see it today.

1113
01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's no disputing it.

1114
01:00:59.239 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>It works.

1115
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, you can't you can't really dispute it. That

1116
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm so so intrigued by. You know, there

1117
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.199
<v Speaker 3>is functional when you can see it now, it would

1118
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.440
<v Speaker 3>have worked even better, but it's been a slightly different

1119
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 3>only been a degree difference in the sky.

1120
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:18.320
<v Speaker 2>How sophisticated. Is it agricultural only or do we get

1121
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:22.960
<v Speaker 2>into like the Maya where we have a sensitive timeframe

1122
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that aligns with astrology, where you could actually figure out

1123
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:28.960
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to have a child or not.

1124
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is the fertility aspect of the site. Yeah,

1125
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:33.320
<v Speaker 3>this is something.

1126
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:34.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean and j you believe that too.

1127
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.440
<v Speaker 3>You have a fortun Well, this was before agriculture. It's

1128
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with agriculture. This was probably ceremonial and

1129
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:45.320
<v Speaker 3>like ritualists and people, it's like a blanket term. People

1130
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.079
<v Speaker 3>don't like it too much in some cases, but if

1131
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.480
<v Speaker 3>people come to origins, I'm going to do my lecture

1132
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:56.599
<v Speaker 3>looking at the earlier solstices, winter sociuses before this time,

1133
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 3>before carahan Tepe, and it's going to be a big

1134
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 3>theme the new book which is going to be coming

1135
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.719
<v Speaker 3>out next year. And I've pretty much proven already that

1136
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 3>even in Paleolithic times and other cultures before gebecley Teppe,

1137
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.840
<v Speaker 3>in carahan Tepe, the winter and the summer solstice were

1138
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.159
<v Speaker 3>big deals for people and it was all based upon

1139
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.480
<v Speaker 3>initiations rituals. It was the creation of a calendar as well,

1140
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't a calendar like for the way we

1141
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 3>use calendars. It was a calendar for feasting, for initiations,

1142
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:31.000
<v Speaker 3>for rights of passage, for kind of changes in life,

1143
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:36.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, like celebrations, getting pregnant, rebirth, fertility, things like this.

1144
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:40.440
<v Speaker 3>That's very esoteric very But if you look into the

1145
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.639
<v Speaker 3>mythologies of the ancient, the ancient cultures, which JJ has

1146
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:48.360
<v Speaker 3>been doing, you find correlations with that it all fits together.

1147
01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:52.280
<v Speaker 3>There's even data which I present, I'm going to present

1148
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 3>origins I'm going to be going in the new book

1149
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 3>proving that there's anthropological data hunter gatherer groups, and we

1150
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:02.480
<v Speaker 3>know the around Tape people were thought to be hunt gatherers,

1151
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 3>that modern hunter gatherer groups all follow the solstices very carefully.

1152
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.039
<v Speaker 3>They're obsessed by it, and so ancient hunting gatherers probably

1153
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 3>did the same. And there's even paleolithic caves in France

1154
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 3>and other places that they chose which are aligned to

1155
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.039
<v Speaker 3>the rising and the setting of the sun on the

1156
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:25.079
<v Speaker 3>solstice and actually beams in the cave entrances and illuminate

1157
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.679
<v Speaker 3>some of the paintings. This is what's mind blowing.

1158
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:29.199
<v Speaker 1>So there's a.

1159
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Whole area of research we're getting deeply into which proves

1160
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 3>that this is a much earlier, earlier solstice kind of obsession.

1161
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:40.960
<v Speaker 3>So I'm back up to forty thousand years.

1162
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:45.880
<v Speaker 2>So I just mentioned fertility. What are some other esoteric

1163
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:52.800
<v Speaker 2>paranormal types of activities around solstices and the equinoxes that

1164
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:59.320
<v Speaker 2>you can talk about. Yeah, I mean you mentioned initiations

1165
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that could be initiating into the druid, you know kind

1166
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 2>of theme.

1167
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true.

1168
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1169
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, we've got a lot of a lot of things

1170
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 3>going on. You know, there's a lot of aspects to this.

1171
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've actually written about this already, So if

1172
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 3>people want to kind of dive into it, they can

1173
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.079
<v Speaker 3>check out this article. They can just find it on

1174
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:23.440
<v Speaker 3>academia to org or on scribbed. It's going to be

1175
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:24.760
<v Speaker 3>up on substack as well.

1176
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Give me that you will put it up on the note.

1177
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, for sure. And I get into all this,

1178
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.599
<v Speaker 3>all these different aspects. We look at the Native American traditions,

1179
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:36.559
<v Speaker 3>they go way way back. How that fits in with

1180
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:40.960
<v Speaker 3>the Paleolithic caves and even like Lascal for instance, this

1181
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.440
<v Speaker 3>is something that might have Sweatman got me onto. It's aligned.

1182
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.559
<v Speaker 3>The entrance was aligned to the summer solstice sunset precisely.

1183
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:50.599
<v Speaker 3>And I've got to give you know, this was a

1184
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 3>bunch of French researchers, but actually Martin Sweatman was the

1185
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 3>first to put this in his book and it kind

1186
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 3>of opened my eyes. But then I realized it's not

1187
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.639
<v Speaker 3>just one Paleolithic cave. I actually went there this summer

1188
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.679
<v Speaker 3>with my family to investigate all this. They found one

1189
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 3>hundred and over one hundred and thirty Paleolithic caves are

1190
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:13.199
<v Speaker 3>aligned to the solstices and the equinoxes. It's way beyond chance.

1191
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.360
<v Speaker 3>So there's millions of caves to choose from in that

1192
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.159
<v Speaker 3>part of the world, but they chose specific ones where

1193
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 3>the sun would illuminate on these specific times of year.

1194
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.360
<v Speaker 3>And this is then there's paintings, you know, just in

1195
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.800
<v Speaker 3>that particular part of the cave. I mean there's even

1196
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 3>three D reliefs we find in some of these are

1197
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.360
<v Speaker 3>very similar to quebecle Teppe and Carahan Tepe, and so

1198
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.639
<v Speaker 3>I think there's a you know, there's good evidence that

1199
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:40.679
<v Speaker 3>there's a long standing tradition going very very far back,

1200
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, into different parts of Europe, even even into Russia.

1201
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 3>We've got evidence coming out of Russia now and the

1202
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of Caucasus area which JJ has been looking at,

1203
01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:53.880
<v Speaker 3>which suggests this is the case. I mean, this is

1204
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.280
<v Speaker 3>just that this is the data that was collected by

1205
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.719
<v Speaker 3>these French academics kind of backing all this up and

1206
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:02.239
<v Speaker 3>so I mean that's a tip of the iceberg. I mean, honestly,

1207
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:06.199
<v Speaker 3>there's there's a whole lot more than that. But you know,

1208
01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 3>but I mean when it comes to the test Tapola sites,

1209
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.679
<v Speaker 3>we're just waiting for or to be excavated to see

1210
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:14.360
<v Speaker 3>if other sites have this. I mean, one of the

1211
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 3>most exciting sites to me is we're talking about this

1212
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.440
<v Speaker 3>before we came on air is a Sayberg as well.

1213
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about Sabers because I have not

1214
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:27.559
<v Speaker 2>been there and I've heard amazing things about it. We

1215
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.480
<v Speaker 2>should also let our listeners know, Hugh that the museum

1216
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that they've put up in Turkey just to glorify Goebecy

1217
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Teppe Carahan tepping in these other sites is fabulous. It's

1218
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 2>very well done and I don't know who's doing it.

1219
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's the Turks or somebody else,

1220
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.719
<v Speaker 2>but it's a very good museum in multiple languages.

1221
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Is exceptional.

1222
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:52.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, they've done a full reconstruction of Enclosure

1223
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 3>d all the a lot of the first discovered statues

1224
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 3>from Carahan tape, even the Valley Churi is a lot

1225
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:03.599
<v Speaker 3>being reconstructed in the museum, which is amazing. There's stuff

1226
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:05.639
<v Speaker 3>now from say Birch as well, which we could see

1227
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:08.320
<v Speaker 3>here and what you know, say Birch, I mean it

1228
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:10.159
<v Speaker 3>doesn't even doesn't look like this anymore. I mean this

1229
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 3>has been completely kind of removed, all the houses above.

1230
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask you when you guys, you and

1231
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Andrew first went there, you were going into a home. Yeah,

1232
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.599
<v Speaker 2>the circle was the foundations of a house.

1233
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:25.679
<v Speaker 1>This is it.

1234
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.119
<v Speaker 3>This is what I mean. So this is how fast

1235
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.559
<v Speaker 3>it's moving at these other sites. But the thing about

1236
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:32.639
<v Speaker 3>say Burt is the name I want to mention, because

1237
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:37.719
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about astronomy. Say in say Birch, Say means counting.

1238
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 3>In Turkish, birch b you are with the thing on

1239
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.559
<v Speaker 3>the scene means sign of the zodiac, and you know

1240
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:45.920
<v Speaker 3>which is so it's like counting and the sign of

1241
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.440
<v Speaker 3>the It's like it's almost saying. The name of the

1242
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.440
<v Speaker 3>site could be an ancient name. And even burke in

1243
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.840
<v Speaker 3>a Turk in Kurdish means watch tower. And we know

1244
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.000
<v Speaker 3>there used to be a tower at the site, say Burch,

1245
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.800
<v Speaker 3>which got demolished in the nineteen forties. I know this

1246
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:02.559
<v Speaker 3>because we spoke to all the families that have been

1247
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:05.760
<v Speaker 3>there since that time. And so this is like Jericho

1248
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.079
<v Speaker 3>kind of tower we're talking about here. So it gets

1249
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.360
<v Speaker 3>more epic the more you look into it. Really, but

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01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, for a long time with say Birch, we

1251
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:20.439
<v Speaker 3>had it looked like this and then we went back there.

1252
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:23.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's but a year and a half ago

1253
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 3>it looked like this, so half of it, half of

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01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:28.479
<v Speaker 3>it was uncovered. This was a year and a half ago,

1255
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.760
<v Speaker 3>and this is like, now the whole house has gone.

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01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.279
<v Speaker 3>This is a three D scan, uh, and you can

1257
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:36.960
<v Speaker 3>see there's there's a huge area. But now this is it.

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01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:38.880
<v Speaker 3>This is like an exclusive. Actually I haven't shown this

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01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.640
<v Speaker 3>to anybody. This is what it looks like now. So

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01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.079
<v Speaker 3>this is just one of the enclosures, mind you, this

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01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:49.680
<v Speaker 3>is one Okay, this isn't like the entire site. We'll

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01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 3>look at some of the other new stuff as well.

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01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:55.159
<v Speaker 3>So there so it's just blowing my mind the more

1264
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.000
<v Speaker 3>we look into it. You can see that here as well.

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01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.119
<v Speaker 3>You can kind of get a sense. And this is

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01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:03.960
<v Speaker 3>about what thirty feet across something like that. He's an

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01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:08.279
<v Speaker 3>aerial shot of it one of the areas they're excavating.

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01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.840
<v Speaker 3>But what really intrigued me is the fact that the

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01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.880
<v Speaker 3>shape of it fits in of my research on geometry perfectly,

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01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 3>and you can see that here. This is again one

1271
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 3>of the egg shapes of Alexander Tom which is now

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01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.159
<v Speaker 3>being found at say Birch as well. Again I haven't

1273
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.119
<v Speaker 3>mentioned this is the first time I mentioned this anywhere

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01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:30.000
<v Speaker 3>as well. So this is like brand new stuff coming

1275
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:34.479
<v Speaker 3>out of here. So it's really compelling. What is coming

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01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:36.079
<v Speaker 3>out of the ground at say Birds for sure?

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01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:39.840
<v Speaker 2>What does say Birds meet? You give us the definition?

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01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Is it also an observatory or is it more of

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01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.560
<v Speaker 2>a ritualistic kind of medium place.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a bit of both, I think, But the

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01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.199
<v Speaker 3>name kind of you know, if it's an ancient name,

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01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but it means counting a sign of

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01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:55.640
<v Speaker 3>the zodiac and watch tower, you know, which is really

1284
01:09:55.840 --> 01:10:02.199
<v Speaker 3>life tower. Yeah, really bizarre to have that. But the

1285
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:04.520
<v Speaker 3>more they've done excavation here, I mean, we know the

1286
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.840
<v Speaker 3>main enclosures now being excavated. They found human bones actually

1287
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.319
<v Speaker 3>inside one of the square pits just next to the

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01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.840
<v Speaker 3>main enclosure. They've actually found more here than they're letting on.

1289
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:20.279
<v Speaker 3>We we we know there's more here. We talked to

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01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:22.800
<v Speaker 3>one of the locals and we saw some image images

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01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.399
<v Speaker 3>of something that's going to be revealed very soon and

1292
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:27.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not really allowed to talk about it right now,

1293
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.199
<v Speaker 3>but again, it should be out in the next few weeks.

1294
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.520
<v Speaker 3>But we've got we've seen it. There's an amazing discovery

1295
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.520
<v Speaker 3>that's being made. A little clue is is that it's

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01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:39.079
<v Speaker 3>going to be something like one of these let's just

1297
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:44.359
<v Speaker 3>say that for now. But so with say Bert, you've

1298
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:47.119
<v Speaker 3>got this whole area here they're now excavating. You know,

1299
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:50.720
<v Speaker 3>there's a whole area to the south. There's lots more

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01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:53.439
<v Speaker 3>they're digging deep into. Luckily, there was a whole area

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01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.199
<v Speaker 3>of the village that no one built on. This was

1302
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.479
<v Speaker 3>like the sort of play park, you know, where no

1303
01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:59.640
<v Speaker 3>one touched. It's sort of like a sacred area. They

1304
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.399
<v Speaker 3>didn't really touch it, and they've been digging there. They

1305
01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:10.840
<v Speaker 3>found human remains, they found beautiful statues, some intricate carvings

1306
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:14.479
<v Speaker 3>on them, and a whole lot more and so. And

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01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:17.319
<v Speaker 3>the other thing is another really weird thing is that

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01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.119
<v Speaker 3>in one part of the site, it's just on the

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01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:22.960
<v Speaker 3>left of the image here where they've kind of they

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01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.880
<v Speaker 3>thought it was a Roman quarry which was kind of

1311
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.920
<v Speaker 3>being carved out in Roman times. Like eight thousand years

1312
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.359
<v Speaker 3>later than when it was Say Birch was being built,

1313
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:34.600
<v Speaker 3>because this dates back to at least nine thousand BC.

1314
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:39.479
<v Speaker 3>And there's I mean, look at the quarrying on the

1315
01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 3>left there that is Roman quarrying, they think. And so

1316
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:48.760
<v Speaker 3>I've got this crazy idea that the Romans discovered say

1317
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:52.279
<v Speaker 3>Birch and like then then left it because look at

1318
01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:54.079
<v Speaker 3>this right. So you've got this here, you got this

1319
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:56.960
<v Speaker 3>little rope, You've got this potentially a Roman quarry. We

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01:11:57.000 --> 01:11:59.119
<v Speaker 3>know they were quarrying in the area. There's another hill

1321
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:02.000
<v Speaker 3>just next to where they would definitely quarry. But look

1322
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:04.199
<v Speaker 3>then on the left there you've got this beautiful little

1323
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of test tabola style carving, which you can see

1324
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.000
<v Speaker 3>here that is just next.

1325
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:10.840
<v Speaker 1>To this Roman quoit.

1326
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:14.039
<v Speaker 3>And they literally left it alone, haven't touched it, and

1327
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:17.680
<v Speaker 3>they're within ten feet of the main enclosure. And so

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01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:21.199
<v Speaker 3>I think that I've got them absolutely convinced the Romans

1329
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:25.840
<v Speaker 3>discovered say Birch and they and there might be records

1330
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.000
<v Speaker 3>somewhere of them talking about this. I'm going to start

1331
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:32.159
<v Speaker 3>looking into this because there's something strains going on here

1332
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of the site, some of the other

1333
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.720
<v Speaker 3>tast Tabola sites seem to have this where the Romans

1334
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 3>got really close to where many of them are but

1335
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:42.760
<v Speaker 3>then left them as though they were kind of warned

1336
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.439
<v Speaker 3>away by the locals or something like this, I don't

1337
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:49.640
<v Speaker 3>touch the area, you can't touch that. But you know,

1338
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.039
<v Speaker 3>let's just say though the new there's a lot of

1339
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:55.439
<v Speaker 3>human statues have come out of the ground. Carahan tape

1340
01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:57.960
<v Speaker 3>got Earth of Man that came out of a site

1341
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 3>in Shanneler for itself. We've got this little say birch

1342
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.640
<v Speaker 3>man there, and we've got the Navali try head which

1343
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:05.560
<v Speaker 3>was part of a large statue on the you know

1344
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.680
<v Speaker 3>with the kind of serpent coming down the back. So

1345
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:11.279
<v Speaker 3>all of these, so every actually every site they're finding

1346
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.439
<v Speaker 3>these human statues. And so watch this space with say

1347
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Berts because something is going to be announced very very soon.

1348
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.399
<v Speaker 3>But there's there's more though, there's sites. There's they've just

1349
01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:27.319
<v Speaker 3>started excavating a site that we've been investigated for several

1350
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:31.439
<v Speaker 3>years called a yan Lahoyak. This is the official fence

1351
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:34.479
<v Speaker 3>they put around the site. This is a giant test

1352
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:37.359
<v Speaker 3>tablar site probably twelve thousand years old, a bit less

1353
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.720
<v Speaker 3>and this is now being investigated by Japanese team, and

1354
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:42.359
<v Speaker 3>it's just begun when we were there.

1355
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It just got in this year. But we've been going

1356
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:45.920
<v Speaker 1>to the site for years.

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01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.399
<v Speaker 3>And the thing that really good excites me about the

1358
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:52.479
<v Speaker 3>site is that they've actually, we've actually found tea.

1359
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Pillars there before.

1360
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Now weirdly, a paper came out many years ago by

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01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 3>Bauck teaen Selik talking about yand La Hoyac and about

1362
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:05.840
<v Speaker 3>it's definitely something going on and they found a few

1363
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:07.840
<v Speaker 3>little pieces there like we can see the image on

1364
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 3>the right, and he said, there's no tea pillars are

1365
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:14.039
<v Speaker 3>being found. So me and JJ went there twenty twenty

1366
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 3>two and what did we find. We found a tea

1367
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:21.800
<v Speaker 3>pillar just lying on the ground and we couldn't believe it.

1368
01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.840
<v Speaker 3>So we and this is definitely a T shaped pillar.

1369
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.439
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is like it's got a little carving

1370
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:28.279
<v Speaker 3>on it as well. I've got three D scan of

1371
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 3>it as well, and I was like, WHOA, I couldn't

1372
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.760
<v Speaker 3>quite believe. So, you know, it was JJ's kind of

1373
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:35.800
<v Speaker 3>intuition that kind of got us to the right spot

1374
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.640
<v Speaker 3>where we kind of found it. And so we were

1375
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.359
<v Speaker 3>the first people to discover a tea pillar at Yandla hooyak.

1376
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.319
<v Speaker 3>So keep that in mind because this is going to

1377
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:45.880
<v Speaker 3>be massive. A yelloo hooyak.

1378
01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:52.439
<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

1379
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:57.199
<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

1380
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:01.399
<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, Hugh Newman, coming to us from London,

1381
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:09.439
<v Speaker 2>describing his recent discoveries in Turkey. Will rejoin you shortly.

1382
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.600
<v Speaker 2>My guest today is Hugh Newman coming to us from London, England.

1383
01:15:56.079 --> 01:16:00.279
<v Speaker 2>He has been doing some groundbreaking work and discovery in

1384
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Turkey and we're hearing exactly what he has found. And

1385
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:07.720
<v Speaker 2>the images that he has taken are available on YouTube.

1386
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Go to Earth Ancients on YouTube. For those of you

1387
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.359
<v Speaker 2>who are not familiar with YouTube, you can go to

1388
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Facebook and I'll have a small gallery of many of

1389
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:25.640
<v Speaker 2>these unusual and groundbreaking photographs. What's going on in this area, Hugh?

1390
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Is this a big post ice age push? Who are

1391
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:36.399
<v Speaker 2>these people? What do we I mean, it's still very

1392
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:41.920
<v Speaker 2>very uncertain as to who are these people, where do

1393
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:45.800
<v Speaker 2>they get their data from? Are they ex Atlantinians? Are

1394
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:52.199
<v Speaker 2>they ex ancient site people that we just don't know about.

1395
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:53.359
<v Speaker 2>What's the story on this?

1396
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, I mean, I think there's a

1397
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.119
<v Speaker 3>bunch of influences coming in from the directions. Okay, this

1398
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 3>has been talked about by academics now JJ and Andrew

1399
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:08.640
<v Speaker 3>both being on it as well, coming in from the

1400
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Russian steps, coming down from the Caucasus. There's a big

1401
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:16.680
<v Speaker 3>influence there. You got from further south and Lord of Levante,

1402
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:21.479
<v Speaker 3>you've got the Toothians, who were very advanced. They were

1403
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:25.279
<v Speaker 3>building structures, they were doing early you know, attempts at

1404
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:29.760
<v Speaker 3>farming and even using geometry in some of their designs.

1405
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.880
<v Speaker 3>They all came up from the south. There's very good

1406
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:38.039
<v Speaker 3>evidence cycled check mac Tepe possibly a couple of others

1407
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:42.119
<v Speaker 3>of Thetuthian ideas being present there. So there's definitely in

1408
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:44.840
<v Speaker 3>the Toothian influence. Now, these are the Touthians were a

1409
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:47.920
<v Speaker 3>lot smarter than you think. And I think that there's

1410
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:52.439
<v Speaker 3>a misconception when it generally comes to hunter gatherers. I mean,

1411
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:56.239
<v Speaker 3>people just assume hunter gatherers are kind of savage types

1412
01:17:57.079 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 3>literally hunting and gathering. But there's a whole different thing.

1413
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:03.479
<v Speaker 3>Since I've been doing my research on the Solstices, go

1414
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:06.079
<v Speaker 3>further and further back in time, you know, going about

1415
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:10.000
<v Speaker 3>forty thousand years the hunter gatherers to me, was smart

1416
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:12.720
<v Speaker 3>as hell. There's the same brain capacity as us. They

1417
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.439
<v Speaker 3>didn't have all the kind of problems we have to

1418
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.359
<v Speaker 3>deal with in society now, and they just had time

1419
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 3>to dwell on things and research things and kind of

1420
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.760
<v Speaker 3>feel into things. And I think they were studying the

1421
01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:27.319
<v Speaker 3>stars to a high degree. But they were also developing

1422
01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:32.920
<v Speaker 3>symbolism and language and other ideas that we don't really see,

1423
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.359
<v Speaker 3>but if you dig into it you can find things there.

1424
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:37.399
<v Speaker 3>So I think the kind of gatherers, and I think

1425
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:41.680
<v Speaker 3>when different groups came together, there was explosions of ideas,

1426
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:45.960
<v Speaker 3>and I think explosions of taking lots of magic mushrooms

1427
01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:48.720
<v Speaker 3>and psychedelics and brewing beer and things like this. So

1428
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:51.520
<v Speaker 3>they were going in as altered states as well, you know,

1429
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:56.880
<v Speaker 3>bringing different plant medicines to one another and expanding their consciousness.

1430
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:00.199
<v Speaker 3>So I think there's a development which may have been slight,

1431
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.800
<v Speaker 3>but it may have had bursts of ideas. So you

1432
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.800
<v Speaker 3>also have people coming in from the west as well

1433
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:07.760
<v Speaker 3>as well as the two fings from the south of

1434
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:10.800
<v Speaker 3>the influence from the Russian steps coming in from the west.

1435
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:13.800
<v Speaker 3>You have the sites like I mentioned earlier, Geekaya cave

1436
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:18.640
<v Speaker 3>where there's clearly evidence of like fertility ritual going on.

1437
01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:21.680
<v Speaker 3>And also from the west you've got the whole Paleolithic

1438
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:25.439
<v Speaker 3>people as well from the caves there, and so I

1439
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:27.640
<v Speaker 3>think there's so many it was like a whole admixedgure.

1440
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:29.159
<v Speaker 3>And this was right at the end of the last

1441
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I says, at the end of the younger driyat exactly

1442
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:36.279
<v Speaker 3>where the weather just started improving. Within a few generations

1443
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:38.760
<v Speaker 3>of that, they were building Go Beckley Tepe and so.

1444
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.600
<v Speaker 3>But must remember there were sites some of these sites

1445
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:44.680
<v Speaker 3>like check mac Tape, some of the other testablear sites

1446
01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:48.399
<v Speaker 3>were earlier built before Go Beckley Tepe. So they were

1447
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:53.720
<v Speaker 3>already in this area doing things and developing it. So

1448
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 3>I think there's there's a different way to look at

1449
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:58.479
<v Speaker 3>it now because so there's for a long time people

1450
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:01.720
<v Speaker 3>have been saying, no, it's just like a massive explosion

1451
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:07.359
<v Speaker 3>people came from Atlantis, and then other people say it

1452
01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:09.159
<v Speaker 3>was a gradual build up. But I think there's a

1453
01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:11.680
<v Speaker 3>bit of both. I think there's like different groups coming

1454
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:14.800
<v Speaker 3>in explosions of ideas. But they were a hunter gatherers,

1455
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:17.239
<v Speaker 3>you know as well, But they were very more ever,

1456
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:20.119
<v Speaker 3>much more sophisticated than people realized. I mean, when I

1457
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:24.039
<v Speaker 3>spoke recently at the guy at Ancient Civilizations conference, when

1458
01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:27.039
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned I think hunter gatherers are smart, people chuckled

1459
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:27.720
<v Speaker 3>in the audience.

1460
01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is this is this is the problem because.

1461
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:32.920
<v Speaker 2>They think that's the most rudimentary form of humanity.

1462
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think it's because it's probably I've done

1463
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:37.239
<v Speaker 3>all this research on them, so I know, I mean,

1464
01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:40.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting into their mindset where most people haven't. Most

1465
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:42.359
<v Speaker 3>people haven't. They just think they're sanvwiches, but they're not.

1466
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:45.880
<v Speaker 3>This is this is, this is where people get locked

1467
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:49.319
<v Speaker 3>in different you know, they get stuck in their research.

1468
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:51.279
<v Speaker 3>I think it's open your mind to the fact that

1469
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:54.359
<v Speaker 3>these these these people in prehistoric times were just like us,

1470
01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:57.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, that they were as advanced as us in

1471
01:20:57.079 --> 01:20:57.520
<v Speaker 3>the mind.

1472
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think is an interesting fact. And I've only

1473
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:05.279
<v Speaker 2>been there once. You're there twice a year. You've been there, like,

1474
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, for five six years. They haven't found

1475
01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a burial or a tomb or a complete skeleton, which

1476
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I find given all these new sites, kind of peculiar.

1477
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:21.359
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you know, and I don't know if it's

1478
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:24.279
<v Speaker 2>because of the weather conditions that the bones just do

1479
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:27.880
<v Speaker 2>not last or whatever. What's the story on that, because

1480
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.199
<v Speaker 2>that would help us a little bit if we could

1481
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.439
<v Speaker 2>do some testing on bones and see the skeletal capacity

1482
01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:35.880
<v Speaker 2>of the brain and so forth.

1483
01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:40.680
<v Speaker 3>They've just thought they've actually just got into that recently, Saybach,

1484
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Like I say, this is just a very you know,

1485
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.319
<v Speaker 3>it's just a few bones and skulls thrown into like

1486
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:50.239
<v Speaker 3>a bit they would burying underneath the kind of domestic areas.

1487
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Apparently there's been a lot about seven or eight burials

1488
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:58.760
<v Speaker 3>found at human remains found at Combectli Teppite, but there's

1489
01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:03.720
<v Speaker 3>no elaborate aerials or like you know, graves created as

1490
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:06.880
<v Speaker 3>such a very limited amount. That happened more in the

1491
01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:11.640
<v Speaker 3>levant where you have the kind of plaster you know,

1492
01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:14.000
<v Speaker 3>and like paint ochre and things like that put on

1493
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:16.439
<v Speaker 3>the skeletons. You get that up near the Tigris River

1494
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.439
<v Speaker 3>to the northwest, sorry, the northeast, up on the Tigris

1495
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.600
<v Speaker 3>area that sites like cortic Tape and Bonchop Glutala, but

1496
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:26.800
<v Speaker 3>not so much in the Testeplar region. No, but they've

1497
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.359
<v Speaker 3>just found that, say Birch, this is actually from a

1498
01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:31.920
<v Speaker 3>year or a year and a half ago. This fhot,

1499
01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:35.640
<v Speaker 3>but they've found this cachet of bones and skulls in

1500
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:38.920
<v Speaker 3>one area in the new excavation at say Birch, so

1501
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:41.600
<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a now soon. At Cheyanu, another

1502
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:44.039
<v Speaker 3>site further north which has been known about for years,

1503
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:46.840
<v Speaker 3>we visited there as well. They found this whole discovery

1504
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.319
<v Speaker 3>of this red ochre floor that goes back to nineteen thousand,

1505
01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:54.079
<v Speaker 3>six hundred years ago. They found cachets of bones, they

1506
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:56.720
<v Speaker 3>found what's called the Skull building there. They've got hundreds

1507
01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.560
<v Speaker 3>of skeletons and skulls that were decapitated and placed into

1508
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:02.560
<v Speaker 3>the like in a certain manner, in a very peculiar way.

1509
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:05.840
<v Speaker 3>And so there is there is a few little spots

1510
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.600
<v Speaker 3>of that, but no elaborate burials have been found, and

1511
01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:11.319
<v Speaker 3>very few human remains, but they have found some and

1512
01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:14.760
<v Speaker 3>they're now starting doing the testing on them. So this

1513
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:16.680
<v Speaker 3>is where the real data is going to come from.

1514
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:20.000
<v Speaker 3>That fantastic. Yeah, that's great news.

1515
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's funny because all the information that

1516
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>they're discovering and excavations, there's no kings or queens or

1517
01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 2>leaders or burial of a well known individual from any

1518
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:34.479
<v Speaker 2>of that area. It's funny.

1519
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:37.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just doesn't seem to be unless it's just

1520
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.079
<v Speaker 3>not been dug up yet. I mean, there might be

1521
01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.119
<v Speaker 3>a whole kind of one of the sites might just

1522
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:43.920
<v Speaker 3>be a burial site. Who knows. We just don't know,

1523
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:45.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, so we've got to wait and see. It's

1524
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:48.279
<v Speaker 3>all like, it's an exciting time. This is like the

1525
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:51.479
<v Speaker 3>time of discovery. This is like, you know, this is it.

1526
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:52.119
<v Speaker 1>We're in it.

1527
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1528
01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.159
<v Speaker 3>It's not like, you know, when the Egypt was being discovered,

1529
01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:57.800
<v Speaker 3>when Myan Pyramids are being discovered, you know, it would

1530
01:23:57.800 --> 01:23:58.119
<v Speaker 3>have been.

1531
01:23:58.039 --> 01:23:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Amazing to be there.

1532
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:00.800
<v Speaker 3>But this is happening now, you know, this is it,

1533
01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:04.039
<v Speaker 3>And so we've got a real opportunity, as you know,

1534
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:07.399
<v Speaker 3>individuals and researchers and enthusiastic get out there and kind

1535
01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.720
<v Speaker 3>of appreciate it as it's happening. So although there's a

1536
01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:15.239
<v Speaker 3>lot of pushback between alternative people and archaeologists, at the

1537
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:17.039
<v Speaker 3>end of the day, we've just got to celebrate what's

1538
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:20.439
<v Speaker 3>being discovered, and you know, it's all coming out, so

1539
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:22.720
<v Speaker 3>let's just enjoy the process.

1540
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I think conventional or orthodox archaeology still has a problem

1541
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>with the dates that are coming back on this and

1542
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:35.720
<v Speaker 2>although it's verified, we have real science going on, we

1543
01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:39.439
<v Speaker 2>have real archaeology, we have real excavations. I would say

1544
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people just can't grasp it, that just

1545
01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:45.279
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like they can hold on to it. What

1546
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:46.079
<v Speaker 2>do you say to that?

1547
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot that there's a

1548
01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:52.399
<v Speaker 3>lot to say about the whole kind of situation. I

1549
01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:56.680
<v Speaker 3>think one of the things I like, I mean is

1550
01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:58.319
<v Speaker 3>that you can go you can go there and visit

1551
01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:01.199
<v Speaker 3>these sites when they're excavating least they cover them up

1552
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:03.439
<v Speaker 3>in the winter pretty much, so you can actually go

1553
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.079
<v Speaker 3>there and actually see it happening. And then sometimes, you know,

1554
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:07.960
<v Speaker 3>if you get on the right side of the archaeologists

1555
01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:09.520
<v Speaker 3>that come and talk to you and explain what they

1556
01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.760
<v Speaker 3>found and things like this. So there's a there's a

1557
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of good happening, you know, and you know with

1558
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.640
<v Speaker 3>the what the archaeologists are doing, but there's also you know,

1559
01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:21.520
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of debate as to how they're doing it.

1560
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, why are they reconstructing enclosure sea, Why aren't

1561
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:28.840
<v Speaker 3>they excavating more? Why are they kind of releasing these

1562
01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:32.039
<v Speaker 3>new discoveries to the public quicker? You know, there's debates

1563
01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:35.239
<v Speaker 3>about that. At the end of the day, you know,

1564
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:37.039
<v Speaker 3>we've got to just you know, there's nothing new or

1565
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:38.359
<v Speaker 3>you can do. We've just got to hope, you know,

1566
01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:41.680
<v Speaker 3>hope they're going to release everything and keep excavating. But

1567
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:44.079
<v Speaker 3>the pace they're going at Saber, it's the pace they're

1568
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:48.680
<v Speaker 3>going at these other sites like Cephia, Tepe Hrbet Zuvan

1569
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:53.399
<v Speaker 3>and you know Carahan, Tappey especially, they're they ain't messing about,

1570
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:56.079
<v Speaker 3>They're getting on with it and that they're not going

1571
01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:59.760
<v Speaker 3>to stop. In fact, the roof they're planning at carahand

1572
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Tepe Bay is actually quite interesting because it's not just

1573
01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:08.119
<v Speaker 3>a fixed roof like you have have a quebecley Tepe.

1574
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:12.119
<v Speaker 3>They're actually going to be it's actually kind of adaptable,

1575
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:15.039
<v Speaker 3>so you can extend it up the hill in different

1576
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:17.880
<v Speaker 3>directions so they can keep excavating, and then they can

1577
01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:18.800
<v Speaker 3>extend the roof.

1578
01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:21.880
<v Speaker 2>They can't keep excavating and the area that's going to

1579
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:23.239
<v Speaker 2>be on exhibit.

1580
01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, they'll keep excavating.

1581
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.720
<v Speaker 3>But the thing is if they expand the space they're doing,

1582
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:31.199
<v Speaker 3>they can then add a roof section to that bit

1583
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.079
<v Speaker 3>so they can preserve it as well. So there's no

1584
01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:38.000
<v Speaker 3>limit there, whereas Kabeley's got a limit there's any roofs

1585
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:41.199
<v Speaker 3>in certain places. So you know they might have put

1586
01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:43.279
<v Speaker 3>a whole new roof up there at some point as well.

1587
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, so let's let's wait and see.

1588
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But there's one other, one other discovery I want to

1589
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:52.359
<v Speaker 3>mention at Carahan Tappe because I just realized we didn't

1590
01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:57.119
<v Speaker 3>mention this is this was discovered. This is a stone

1591
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.600
<v Speaker 3>of quite a large stone bowl carved as solid stone,

1592
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:04.760
<v Speaker 3>looks like bassel, that had another bowl within it, and

1593
01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:06.319
<v Speaker 3>underneath it was a stone plate.

1594
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:08.159
<v Speaker 1>And within the small bowl.

1595
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Were two what looked like stone, two or three what

1596
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:14.760
<v Speaker 3>look like stone donuts, like circular stones, different types of

1597
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:17.399
<v Speaker 3>stone with the hole carved out in the middle. They're

1598
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.840
<v Speaker 3>not donuts. And then there's three animal carvings like you've

1599
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:22.960
<v Speaker 3>got like a what looks like a leopard, You've got

1600
01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:26.079
<v Speaker 3>like a vulture, and you've got some other strange creature.

1601
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember the name of it. And these were

1602
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:32.119
<v Speaker 3>found going into the holes. Yeah, and so because you know,

1603
01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:35.520
<v Speaker 3>if those that can see this, this is the imagery here,

1604
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:37.800
<v Speaker 3>and you've got another view of it there, and you've

1605
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:39.479
<v Speaker 3>got sceptors as well stone septs.

1606
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>That's probably like two two and two.

1607
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Other little fetishes, okay.

1608
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.079
<v Speaker 3>And so this is like a ritualistic offering. But this

1609
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:48.159
<v Speaker 3>is the holes really interesting me because that is like

1610
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:52.159
<v Speaker 3>the portholestones where you have these alignments coming through and

1611
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:54.439
<v Speaker 3>so you've got certain animals going through there which were

1612
01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:59.199
<v Speaker 3>probably symbolic of certain you know, processes of initiation and

1613
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.039
<v Speaker 3>things like that. With the personal that you know, you'd

1614
01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:04.319
<v Speaker 3>be like as a sham and you become the animal,

1615
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:08.159
<v Speaker 3>you go through the whole good. Yeah, statistic tools, yeah, yes,

1616
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:10.319
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of this is now being discovered.

1617
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:12.880
<v Speaker 3>They haven't said where this was actually found in cararahanter based.

1618
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.439
<v Speaker 3>It could be relevant once we know, but this is

1619
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:17.079
<v Speaker 3>just one of the discoveries that came out just a

1620
01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:21.319
<v Speaker 3>few months ago. This is actually on display temporarily at

1621
01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:25.119
<v Speaker 3>the it's in Anchora. It's actually in the sort of

1622
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:29.479
<v Speaker 3>palace buildings in Anchora and the President there's actually a

1623
01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>sort of display of test temple of stuff there. So

1624
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.279
<v Speaker 3>some of them, you know, it's not in the Anchora Museum,

1625
01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:36.279
<v Speaker 3>it's not the it's in another building.

1626
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>So we weren't able to go there.

1627
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:40.880
<v Speaker 3>We couldn't see it for ourselves unfortunately, but if anyone

1628
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:46.800
<v Speaker 3>does go there, get some photos and some film clips.

1629
01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>And send it to you. I need it from my book.

1630
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you as we're concluding you, you know,

1631
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:57.039
<v Speaker 2>we talk about John Burke and the tolluric energy feels

1632
01:28:57.079 --> 01:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>like the Mayan temples and Egypt and stuff like that.

1633
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed or have you spoken to any of

1634
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:07.479
<v Speaker 2>the locals who can feel any significant tolluric energy in

1635
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>any of these sites.

1636
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean there's a I think there's actual There

1637
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:18.279
<v Speaker 3>was some actual research done as well. I mean the

1638
01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>back in the two thousands, Paolo Derbertolis of Trees University,

1639
01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:25.359
<v Speaker 3>he did some analysis of enclosed to the it Beckley

1640
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Tepe and actually found a magnetic anomaly within it, which

1641
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I thought was kind of interesting.

1642
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:36.199
<v Speaker 1>And I kind of I.

1643
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Probably mentioned that in my little book as well about

1644
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:40.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's going to be a big thing about

1645
01:29:40.399 --> 01:29:45.039
<v Speaker 3>it in my upcoming And he actually found like a

1646
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.479
<v Speaker 3>spirally magnetic anomaly within it. But he was also found

1647
01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:50.840
<v Speaker 3>very sophisticated acoustics in there as well, So clearly they

1648
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:55.039
<v Speaker 3>were building upon sites or areas which had a natural

1649
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:57.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of toleric enhancement.

1650
01:29:57.800 --> 01:29:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Like John Burke.

1651
01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:00.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually going to be writing a about him, because

1652
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>as you me and you are both big fans of

1653
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:05.880
<v Speaker 3>the late brilliant John Burke and the Seed and all

1654
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:08.760
<v Speaker 3>this tone of Plenty book, which I think is revelatory book,

1655
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:10.760
<v Speaker 3>and I think that's going to, you know, if that

1656
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:12.800
<v Speaker 3>can be applied to this area, which it looks like

1657
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:17.279
<v Speaker 3>it can now, especially when we consider that agriculture was

1658
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:20.439
<v Speaker 3>developed within two hundred years of Quebectuvee be and built

1659
01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:22.760
<v Speaker 3>where they do. They come up with some way of

1660
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.880
<v Speaker 3>enhancing their seeds and grains to like grow the food

1661
01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:28.720
<v Speaker 3>or something like this. So we have to be able

1662
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:31.800
<v Speaker 3>to question that kind of thing. But I think you

1663
01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:34.760
<v Speaker 3>know you can't. Yeah, you can't really go inside these

1664
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>structures anymore, you know, very few.

1665
01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean you can't.

1666
01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:39.720
<v Speaker 3>We were lucky we've got in size say birch. But

1667
01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:41.800
<v Speaker 3>you're so excited because it's like, you know, it's an

1668
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.000
<v Speaker 3>opportunity of a lifetime. I don't really think to get

1669
01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:46.520
<v Speaker 3>your dowsing rods out and start meditating kind of like

1670
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:48.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're trying to like kind of.

1671
01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Just you're going to be showed away with guns.

1672
01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:55.199
<v Speaker 3>But if anyone does go there, if anyone's got any

1673
01:30:55.399 --> 01:30:58.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, their own experiences, that I'd be I'm very

1674
01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:01.439
<v Speaker 3>interested in direct experience that people have at these sites,

1675
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:05.680
<v Speaker 3>especially in the test Templar region, because I would be intrigued,

1676
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.720
<v Speaker 3>you know. But I find there's something about Cara hand

1677
01:31:08.720 --> 01:31:10.479
<v Speaker 3>Teppe that gets me. I don't know what it is.

1678
01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:13.359
<v Speaker 3>It just I feel like I've been there before. That's

1679
01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:15.880
<v Speaker 3>what it feels like, you know. That's the weird kind

1680
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:18.319
<v Speaker 3>of reincarnation kind of feeling.

1681
01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:19.199
<v Speaker 1>I get with it.

1682
01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:22.279
<v Speaker 3>It's something about that place for me. You know, other

1683
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:26.239
<v Speaker 3>people have it with different sites obviously, and especially when

1684
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:29.159
<v Speaker 3>me and JJ when we first discovered that winter solstice thing,

1685
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:33.479
<v Speaker 3>it was all like the synchronicityes led to that point.

1686
01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:36.880
<v Speaker 3>That all fell into place over a few months and

1687
01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>then peaked a few days before it for us to

1688
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:41.880
<v Speaker 3>discover that. And if you know, we just think if

1689
01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>we hadn't discovered that, hadn't followed the synchronicities, we would

1690
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:48.000
<v Speaker 3>never have discovered that. So that kind of thing I

1691
01:31:48.039 --> 01:31:49.520
<v Speaker 3>take notice of, you know, you or.

1692
01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Your book with that. We were thinking, we were having

1693
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>coffee and all of a sudden we must got to

1694
01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Cara hand Teppy.

1695
01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, but we were getting messages from people

1696
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.840
<v Speaker 3>in Turkey who are who were saying, oh, by the way,

1697
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:04.039
<v Speaker 3>you have to go before this date because it were

1698
01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:06.000
<v Speaker 3>closed in they're going to cover it up, and say, oh,

1699
01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:08.119
<v Speaker 3>go shit, we better get our tickets books. So and

1700
01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:11.479
<v Speaker 3>then we got delayed and we couldn't get to the site,

1701
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:14.359
<v Speaker 3>and then then we were forced it with The only

1702
01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:16.439
<v Speaker 3>time we go was first thing in the morning because

1703
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:18.439
<v Speaker 3>officials were coming in that day to close it up

1704
01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.520
<v Speaker 3>for the winter. So we had to go first thing

1705
01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:21.720
<v Speaker 3>in the morning because they were going to come in

1706
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.279
<v Speaker 3>at nine am or something. And that's why we were

1707
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:27.840
<v Speaker 3>forced to go at sunrise. We weren't even know there

1708
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.640
<v Speaker 3>would be a winter Solstice thing there, but then we

1709
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:31.600
<v Speaker 3>a really good one.

1710
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Turned up less we were quite clicked.

1711
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:35.319
<v Speaker 3>So you've got you know, when that kind of thing happens,

1712
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:38.159
<v Speaker 3>like you haven't synchronouses, you're having kind of you know,

1713
01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:40.800
<v Speaker 3>you kind of go with you realize there's something significant

1714
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.079
<v Speaker 3>taking place. And so I get that at some sites,

1715
01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:46.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, some weird dark stuff at other sites, you know,

1716
01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:46.840
<v Speaker 3>and I.

1717
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Didn't know you were into the paranormal. This is all new.

1718
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.760
<v Speaker 3>This should be Yeah, I've got a calling to it.

1719
01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could say.

1720
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I mean I'm serious. I mean because you're

1721
01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>you're speaking about interwort of infant nation. Uh, you know,

1722
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:06.039
<v Speaker 2>casual discussions that turn out to be major discoveries and

1723
01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>so forth. So that's great. Yeah, Hey, as we conclude,

1724
01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>what why should we be interested? Why should we care

1725
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>about these tepees? Why why should we even you know bother?

1726
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Well? This is this is it.

1727
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing is right, you got you've got Stonehenge,

1728
01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:28.760
<v Speaker 3>You've got the Pyramids, you got the Pyramids of Mexican.

1729
01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:31.760
<v Speaker 3>None of them are that old. Seriously, none of them

1730
01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:34.119
<v Speaker 3>are very old. I mean Stonehenge is what five thousand

1731
01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:37.199
<v Speaker 3>years old? Pyramids of Mexico the oldest is three thousand

1732
01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:40.159
<v Speaker 3>years old, maybe two thousand years old. So this is

1733
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:43.279
<v Speaker 3>twelve thousand years old to eleven thousand years old. This

1734
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>is a whole different time frame. And the sophistication is

1735
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:51.319
<v Speaker 3>equal or more advanced than all these other cultures that

1736
01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:55.760
<v Speaker 3>came five to eight thousand years later. So, and we're

1737
01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:59.079
<v Speaker 3>not just talking one site, you know, we're talking multiple

1738
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:02.760
<v Speaker 3>They're talking about forty plus sites now in that region.

1739
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Each of those has multiple stone circles and these enclosures,

1740
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:12.479
<v Speaker 3>these alignments, thousands of statues, artifacts, it's and it just

1741
01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>doesn't quit, you know. It's like, you know, we thought

1742
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:18.079
<v Speaker 3>it was going to quit after you know, Beckley Tepe,

1743
01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:21.399
<v Speaker 3>but they found a whole civilization there. And so this

1744
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:25.880
<v Speaker 3>and the fact that it was buried, there's civilizations and

1745
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:29.479
<v Speaker 3>cultures and armies and people have passed through that area

1746
01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:33.119
<v Speaker 3>for the last nine thousands of plus years and didn't

1747
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:35.840
<v Speaker 3>even know it was there. So it's been completely written

1748
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:38.640
<v Speaker 3>out of all the history books, all the traditions, all

1749
01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:42.000
<v Speaker 3>the cultures, and so it's like this whole fresh discovery

1750
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:47.520
<v Speaker 3>of something that's just been it's the lost civilization. Everyone's

1751
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:48.600
<v Speaker 3>talking about this is it?

1752
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, you actually feel there's a last civilization.

1753
01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>It literally was lost, it was buried, no one knew

1754
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.800
<v Speaker 3>it was there, and so this is what's so compelling

1755
01:34:57.800 --> 01:34:58.479
<v Speaker 3>about it.

1756
01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:03.199
<v Speaker 2>And as we had a bi that was buried, entombed

1757
01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:06.159
<v Speaker 2>with a little bit of data, you know.

1758
01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I think that's that's happening.

1759
01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:09.600
<v Speaker 3>I think the DNA stuff's going to come out an

1760
01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:13.680
<v Speaker 3>anytime soon, hopefully sooner the better. But obviously with human

1761
01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:15.720
<v Speaker 3>remains is the whole process they have to go through

1762
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.239
<v Speaker 3>and everything else, but they you know, but I think,

1763
01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, people, we've got to understand this was buried.

1764
01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:23.960
<v Speaker 3>This was forgotten about for like ten nine to ten

1765
01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:26.840
<v Speaker 3>thousand years. So this is when me and Jaja had

1766
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:30.159
<v Speaker 3>that revelatory moment the Karahan Tepe seeing this winter solstice,

1767
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:32.239
<v Speaker 3>the first people to see it in like nine thousand

1768
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:35.920
<v Speaker 3>years or more. It blew our minds because we dawned

1769
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:38.960
<v Speaker 3>on us days later. My god, you know what if

1770
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:41.039
<v Speaker 3>we hadn't seen that, You know, what if they then

1771
01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:43.359
<v Speaker 3>built over it with a roof or something, you know,

1772
01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and it'd never been discovered. So what else is there

1773
01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.960
<v Speaker 3>that hasn't been discovered yet? It hasn't even been dug up.

1774
01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:51.760
<v Speaker 3>If we have, we're we're finding stuff. At the first

1775
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:56.119
<v Speaker 3>excavation was done, we found something significant. So the list

1776
01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:58.880
<v Speaker 3>goes on all these sites that could be major, major

1777
01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:01.199
<v Speaker 3>things taking place. Then we have to look at like

1778
01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:03.119
<v Speaker 3>I think I've got to give Graham Hancock a bit

1779
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:06.960
<v Speaker 3>of He wrote this fantastic article about the story of Gilgamesh,

1780
01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:10.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, the whole Sumerian thing and everything else, and

1781
01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:14.800
<v Speaker 3>about that Seyburg say Birch being a representation you know,

1782
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:18.199
<v Speaker 3>literally of that, you know, the whole kind of narrative

1783
01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:23.520
<v Speaker 3>scene that they discovered there was actually part of this

1784
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Gilgamesh story, and so he's now piecing together it's Mesopotamian connection.

1785
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:34.159
<v Speaker 3>And so all these cultures like Egypt, Stonehenge, Sumerians now

1786
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:36.800
<v Speaker 3>we can see. Now we're starting to see who they

1787
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:39.800
<v Speaker 3>got influenced by. We're started to see the influences like

1788
01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>but the geometries from my research, the astronomy, the Gilgamesh myths,

1789
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:49.279
<v Speaker 3>JJ's research on the symbolism and the Golden Gate of

1790
01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:53.560
<v Speaker 3>the ecliptic and everything else. So so we started to

1791
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:56.520
<v Speaker 3>piece together a whole missing chapter of human history thanks

1792
01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.880
<v Speaker 3>to these discoveries in Southeast Turkey.

1793
01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic. I want to thank you for this presentation. For

1794
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>those of you listening, we'll have this available on YouTube.

1795
01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna twist Hugh's arm and get a few photographs

1796
01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:15.399
<v Speaker 2>for our Facebook page as well. Obviously we can't have

1797
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>the same number on our Facebook page that we have

1798
01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>on the YouTube channel, but really cutting edge, Hugh's got

1799
01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the latest and the greatest. So thanks to you, I

1800
01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it. Give us your contact information. We know

1801
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:33.479
<v Speaker 2>about origins. We've got the link to that, but give

1802
01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:36.680
<v Speaker 2>us your own personal dating. What's your website, what's the

1803
01:37:37.079 --> 01:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>other Facebook links and things like that.

1804
01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, just like you just searched h Newman, they're

1805
01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:45.319
<v Speaker 3>going to find me that. This is a little book

1806
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:47.560
<v Speaker 3>I published with Wooden Books. It's now out in America.

1807
01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:52.279
<v Speaker 3>Expanded updated version that's going to be that's available now

1808
01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:58.640
<v Speaker 3>and Megalithomania dot co dot UK is the website.

1809
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Obviously.

1810
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm also I'm speaking at another conference in America, the

1811
01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Quest for Ancient Civilizations, because I think all the latest data.

1812
01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:12.119
<v Speaker 3>That's the fifth of the seventh of December in Scottsdale, Arizona.

1813
01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:16.119
<v Speaker 3>People can just search for that. Organized by Robert the

1814
01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:19.680
<v Speaker 3>coocha of world Views Media and David Childress.

1815
01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Amazing bunch of speakers.

1816
01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:24.880
<v Speaker 3>There and yeah, and people can kind of check out

1817
01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.760
<v Speaker 3>basically just check out our website. We've got we obviously

1818
01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:31.720
<v Speaker 3>we go back to Turkey quite frequently. You know, we

1819
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:34.199
<v Speaker 3>take groups out there and things like that, so people

1820
01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:36.520
<v Speaker 3>can kind of if they want to, they can join us.

1821
01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I know, you go out there as well.

1822
01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you average work three to four tours a year, right, Yeah,

1823
01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:47.479
<v Speaker 2>we do a few. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, excellent.

1824
01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, we do other other areas

1825
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:52.760
<v Speaker 3>where the Malta. The Malta connection now with test Table

1826
01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:55.840
<v Speaker 3>is emerging, is coming out even the island as well.

1827
01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:58.079
<v Speaker 3>We're do an island, but we do. We're doing a

1828
01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:02.199
<v Speaker 3>few others. We're heading out to Peru and the places Cambodia,

1829
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:06.399
<v Speaker 3>just because it's delightful and obviously, you know, we encourage people,

1830
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:09.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, to just check out the website, go and

1831
01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.359
<v Speaker 3>do your own exploring. You know, you don't have to

1832
01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:13.039
<v Speaker 3>come with us on the tours if you don't want

1833
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.119
<v Speaker 3>to do that kind of thing, but we are, we

1834
01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:18.560
<v Speaker 3>are super passionate. We really want to, especially when it

1835
01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:20.520
<v Speaker 3>comes to Turkey. We want to show people what's going

1836
01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:23.319
<v Speaker 3>on there because you can go there, you can go yourself,

1837
01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:24.960
<v Speaker 3>and you're going to miss loads of things if you

1838
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:27.079
<v Speaker 3>don't know what you're looking. It's all very intricate. So

1839
01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:29.960
<v Speaker 3>we do encourage people to check all that out. There's

1840
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:34.119
<v Speaker 3>there's a whole world to explore. Fantastic. Hugh is always

1841
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:38.600
<v Speaker 3>a real lesson on what's going on. And I appreciate

1842
01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:41.760
<v Speaker 3>your time and continue success.

1843
01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Thanks Cliff, it's been great talking to you.

1844
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:57.479
<v Speaker 2>The photography that he presents on this presentation are just

1845
01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>cutting the edge outstanding. I mean, within a few months

1846
01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>ago he's taken photographs of some of the new excavations,

1847
01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>some of the new items statuary, and it continues to

1848
01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>be fairly insightful because we don't hear enough in the

1849
01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>news about the excavations at any of these sites. We

1850
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if it wasn't for Hugh and Andrew and

1851
01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Delma and occasionally Mohammed Amberheim reporting on Turkey, we wouldn't

1852
01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>know anything about it. The general consensus isn't you know,

1853
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:36.840
<v Speaker 2>seeing is not going to pick up information unless it's

1854
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>like groundbreaking, Like there's a number of figure statues that

1855
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I think are outstanding, but they don't typically report on it.

1856
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:48.760
<v Speaker 2>It has to be something fairly dramatic now because it's

1857
01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.479
<v Speaker 2>like go Beckley Tippy's Old News, even though it's the

1858
01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:55.199
<v Speaker 2>oldest temple in the world at nine thousand, five hundred

1859
01:40:55.239 --> 01:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>BC going further back. So to see these images, go

1860
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:04.199
<v Speaker 2>to Earth Ancients Facebook page. I'm going to have it

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<v Speaker 2>on the public or the private. So if you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get in the private, I encourage you to sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for the private Facebook page because we publish a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of unusual photos on that and we don't let everybody

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<v Speaker 2>check it out. We'll also have the public site, which

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<v Speaker 2>is nice. We'll have a few photographs on Instagram, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the rest of it is Hugh presenting it on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>So go to YouTube and punching Earth Ancients and look

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<v Speaker 2>for Hugh. You knew and so go. Always good to

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<v Speaker 2>have Hugh on the program, and I really encourage you

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to his or attend the Mego Lithomania Origins

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<v Speaker 2>conference November first from ten am to seven pm. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can't see any of any of it because of

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<v Speaker 2>the time factors, at least get the package for fifty bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>You get the whole thing, the whole program from start

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<v Speaker 2>to finish. So and if you're so lucky to be

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<v Speaker 2>up in the morning, you can watch it live. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Slash Earth Ancients and subscribe. All right, that's it for

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<v Speaker 2>this program. I want to thank my guests today. Hugh

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<v Speaker 2>Newman coming to us from England. As always, the team

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<v Speaker 2>of Guiltur, Mark Foster and Feya are Pakistan video expert.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, take care, be well and we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you next time.