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Speaker 1: And welcome one and all. Welcome to the Big Podcast

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on this Monday. Today is the fifteenth day of December,

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year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is

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Tom Sullivan, and holy smokes, I mean this is I

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got to tell you. I got an email earlier today

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that I you know, I thought, well, that's that's awfully nice,

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but it was from Eaglestorm, and Eaglestorm says something fun

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to talk about the number of college.

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Speaker 2: Teams opting out of bowling. You know, I would love

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to do something fun to talk about, but sadly, we

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are overwhelmed with terrible, terrible news that came out over

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the weekend, and I've just I'm blown away by I mean,

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we need to address it for many different reasons. But

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it's also something you can't go out and bring balloons

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to a funeral. I mean, you just there are certain

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times when you've got to take things seriously. So we've

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got the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle.

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We've got the shooting at Brown University in Providence, Rhode

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Island that it's an amazing story that continues. We've got

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the massive shooting the Honica celebration at Bondi Beach in Australia,

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where fifteen p people were killed or sixteen the number

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moves around a little bit. Thirty eight people were hurt.

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So I mean, this is serious stuff and you need

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to at least address the whole thing. Let me start

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with Rob Reiner, who I've got to tell you I've

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dealt with never. I never met the man, but I

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always thought he was an annoying guy because he was

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so aggressive and opinionated about his politics and they were far, far,

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far to the left. And then I heard an interview

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one time with Howard Stern. Say what you want about Howard.

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I think he's an amazing interviewer. And I came away

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from that going, man, that guy sounds like a nice guy.

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I don't agree with any of his politics, but he

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sounds like a really nice man. And more that we

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can agree on is is what an amazing movie maker,

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What an creative mind this guy had. And so if

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you're just turning it in, you're going, what's what do you?

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What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 2: He and his wife were found dead in their home

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in Brentwood in Los Angeles yesterday afternoon. Brentwood. Is it

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is right? It's right down the street from where O. J.

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Simpson's house used to be. It's in that's a very

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very very nice neighborhood. And I mean he's been he's

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a very successful guy. I mean, I mean we all

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met him, some of some of you maybe met him, Mums.

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I don't know some replays, but Archie Bunker, and he

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was the son in law on Archie Bunker. And Archie

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Bunker was a big conservative guy, and he played it

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well because it was really him. Rob Reiner was a

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big liberal, and so the son of law versus the

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father in law. There was there was this wonderful comedy

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that came out of that very very successful sitcom years ago.

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But there was another interview with Howard Stern that I

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ran across. I was looking around today about the I

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was looking for the interview that Howard did with Rob Reiner,

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and what I found instead was an interview that Howard

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had Rob Reiner and his son Nick on his radio

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show in twenty sixteen to promote the movie Becoming Charlie.

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It was coming out that weekend, and so they were

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doing the publicity rounds and so there is Rob Reiner

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and his son Nick, and I highly recommend that you

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see it was a Reddit posting. You will see where

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there's an interview that Rob Reiner did with his son

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Nick on The Howard Stern Show. And so Nick was

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very open about the fact that he basically says, I

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dropped out of school, I didn't finish high school. I

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had I had no ambition, I got into drugs. I

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was homeless, I had no skills, no anything. And the

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life that he that he said he finally got out

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of his drug world because he just got tired of

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doing drugs. Years took a few years, but he finally

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just said this is this is I'm doing the same

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thing every day, just more drugs. And they he asked

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the Nick what kind of drugs do you take? To everything?

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I took them all. I did everything. So it's amazing

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that he's a is alive, and yet something wrong with

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the son. I I'm sure a lot of you listening

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to this, not all of you, but there's a lot

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of you that can relate. When my children were younger,

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kids that was a nice little kid in grade school

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and even in middle school. But by the time they

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got to high school, they went down, they made a turn,

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and they went down the road of drugs and parents

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trying to figure out what to do about helping them

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get off that drug regimen. And some drugs are hard

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to beat. It's an addiction. And I'm not sure if

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some people don't have an addiction. Gene I knew a

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guy who was everything he did he got addicted to,

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whether it was alcohol, then he that he beat that,

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that he got into drugs, and I mean, just one

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thing after another. He just had an addiction. Gene I

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swear so. In this interview, Rob Reiner talks about the

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fact that he did not know what to do. He

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has three children, two sons and a daughter. I believe

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older or younger than the daughter. The daughter is the

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one who walked into the home yesterday afternoon and found

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her parents slaughtered. They were stabbed to death. And stabbing

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is a crime that's not like a lot of crimes.

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It's very personal and there has to be a lot

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of anger. And that's exactly what Nick said in that

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interview nine years ago. Was that when he was going

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through his drug era that he was very angry. I'm

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not sure what the current status is of his sobriety,

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but I got the feeling he's falling off the wagon again.

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was an argument between Nick and Rob Reiner at a

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holiday party that Conan O'Brien threw at his home over

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the weekend. It must have been Saturday, because yesterday it

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blew up. And Nick lives in a guesthouse on the

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property where Rob Reiner and his wife have lived for many,

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many years. So it's just all the way around. I

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don't agree with any of Rob Reiner's politics, but it

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sounds to me like the man was a very good man.

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Let me play this just as an example. This was

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just a month or so ago he was on with

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Piers Morgan, and Piers Morgan asked him about UH charge

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the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and this is what this

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is what Rob Reiner said.

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Speaker 3: I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable.

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servants that the memorial they had was exactly right and

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totally I believe.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Jewish, but I I believe in the teachings of Jesus,

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and I believe in doing to others, and I believe

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in forgiveness. And what she said to me was beautiful

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and absolutely you know what she she forgave his his assassin,

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and I think that that is admirable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the the big liberal talking about the

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big conservative. And was impressed by Charlie Kirk's wife at

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the service the whole event, though, can I I am

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the number one supporter of law enforcement of anybody in

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the media. But I got to tell you something, the

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way the LAPD handled this yesterday was amateur at best.

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One thing that you know, you don't need to tell

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the public everything. You've got to hold back things for

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investigative reasons, but don't lie to them. Do not lie

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to them. Let me play you a little bit. This

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is he's got a titled deputy chief, but I think

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he's a public information officer for the LAPD. And here's

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what went down yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Ultimately, three this afternoon, Los ange Police officers along with

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Los Angeles City Fire Department respotted to the two hundred

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Speaker 6: Upon arrival, they determined that there were two deceased individuals

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Speaker 2: So they knew who the two deceased individuals were inside

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that residence. But listen to the way the media handled

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this with that LPD guy.

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Speaker 7: See, why are you not exactly looking for suspect? Are

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you confident you know who do this?

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Speaker 4: We have not identified a suspect of the sign. Well,

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then shouldn't you be looking for one?

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their own safety.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so at this time, after we determined so I

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need everyone to understand something in order to comply with

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the legal process before we do anything here, we have

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to get a search warrant because their issues regarding standing

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at this residence. So as long as those legal requirements

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are met, we can continue the investigation.

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We can't say any fine, you don't have to say anything.

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but we do have a suspect. Let the people in

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the neighborhood know that they're not a wild, crazy murderer

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on the loose in the neighborhood. But he really stumbled

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all over himself and they, oh, well, we need to

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get a search warrant. And that's true. And they did

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get a search warrant after they went in and found

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the body. As they backed out and said, all right,

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let's seal this house off, get a search warrant. But

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he just made up a bunch of fuie. And I'm thinking,

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whoever this guy is who's supposed to deal with the media,

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needs to go back to media training one o one.

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But back to Rob Reiner, I mean the list of

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his movies. And I don't know if you know this.

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Carl Reiner. Carl Reiner was his father. Carl Reiner made

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his first big splash in Hollywood. He created the Dick

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Van Dyke Show, which, by the way, Dick Van Dyke

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just had his one hundredth birthday over the weekend. Well,

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he had your show of shows. It was back in

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the fifties, Caesar's Hour back in the fifties. More well,

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with Steve Martin on the movie The Jerk and Dead

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Men Don't Wear Plaid. He also was involved and played

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a role in Ocean's Eleven. So that's the dad. That

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is the dad. And so Rob Reiner grew up the

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son of a famous person, just like Nick grew up

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the son of a famous person. And in that interview

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with Howard, just googled Howard Stern interview with Nick and

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totally out of place with the others. I don't know,

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they're not they're not active. All of them are smiling,

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except for Nick. He seems like he's got some problems.

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mental health of late. Uh, some of the probably probably

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some of the I pulled just a couple of quotes

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from some of the movies, but I mean, you go

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down the list of movies that Rob Reiner made, starting

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with The Spinal Tap, A Few Good Men, When Harry

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Met Sally, stand By Me, The American President, Misery, The

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Princess Bride. He played a character in Sleepless in Seattle.

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his son Nick that Nick wrote most of it along

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with his dad. But this is the famous line from

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Speaker 2: So that was Meg Ryan. And and the woman who

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life mother of Rob Reiner. He cast her in that

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movie and that was that was a line that she

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Meg Ryan at the time. But on that set when

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the mayor of Hollywood. He's such an affable, genial person,

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him on a personal level. He was that.

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Speaker 4: Warm and outgoing and beloved.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, yeah, well, fifty years in the film business. He

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made a lot of friends over those years. Some of

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the investigation going on, Steve More, former FBI investigator.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think based on what I've heard that family

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members are talking. Nobody seems to be in the family

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seems to be wildly shocked about this, So I think

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we're going to find out more and more. There were

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indicators that there were problems in the relationship, problems with him,

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and you know, I think LAPD has taking it very carefully.

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that they're getting a warrant or they got a warrant

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to search the home of the victims, and so that,

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you know, you don't always do that, so they are

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taking it extremely carefully.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people observing what they're doing

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that the l i PD that are thinking they're taking

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it too carefully. Josh Campbell, former FBI guy, he had

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this to say, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: This obviously a department that is no stranger to high

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profile investigations and celebrity deaths for that matter. And as

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Steve was outlining there, I mean, they have to be

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very methodical because if you have a suspected homicide, that

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means obviously a potential suspect out there and a potential prosecution.

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And we did here last night that medics had originally

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originally arrived to the home and were called after someone

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had found the couple. Police did a cursory investigation, but

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then they backed out because they knew that they needed

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to gather whatever evidence they could in order to build

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a potential case. We're sold they got that search warrant

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to go through and process. Now there are a couple

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of big questions that we still have as far as

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where the investigation goes next, because we know, if it

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does indeed turn out that the sun here wasn't arrested

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in connection with the deaths, police would do an interview

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and try to gather as much information as they as

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they can Sometimes suspect, if he indeed eventually becomes known

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as a suspect, will confess, will provide information. Sometimes they don't,

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they'll lawyer up, as they say, in which case investigator

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investigators have to rely on other evidence. We know finally

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that there's a significant forensic component here as well. They

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would have to go through and process that home from

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top to bottom looking for any potential weapon if that

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was indeed used here. Again, all to try to potentially

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build this case. The fact that we're talking about a

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four million dollar bail is quite significant. Of course, we're

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being conservative and only reported is what we know as

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of this moment.

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Speaker 14: Moment, Josh, let me just interrupt you there because I

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was just told as you were talking that the LAPD

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chief just confirmed that Nick Reiner, the son of Robin

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Michelle Reiner, was booked on murder charges.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's an important development because we know the chief

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was just speaking on a separate press conference underway in

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a domestic terrorism case. But that's that's the connection that

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we were waiting there. Whether authorities would actually say this

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was a murder of that type of charge, obviously significant development.

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It tells you the direction that this investigation is going.

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Speaker 2: Back to Steve Moore on his reaction, Well, I'm just

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the one thing that strikes me is that they went

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to get a search horn in the victim's home.

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Speaker 12: Indicates to me that there might have been some kind

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of at least or plausible indication that Nick would have

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had an expectation of privacy in that home, which would

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indicate maybe he was residing there or residing there temporarily

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or occasionally.

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Speaker 2: It turns out that Nick was living again, like I said,

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in the guesthouse on the property there in Brentwood, Los Angeles.

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Here is the police chief in Los Angeles, Jim McDonald,

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making the announcement.

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Speaker 15: We have our Robbery Homicide Division handling the investigation. They

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work throughout the night on this case, and we're able

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to take into custody Nick Ryan a suspect in this case.

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He was subsequently booked for murder and is being held

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on four million dollar vail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter if you are a celebrity. Wealthy

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families have problems with some of the kids that get

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off on drugs. They usually don't go kill their parents,

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but there's it's a it's a turmoil that a lot

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of families in this country probably are relating to on

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some level. Again, I would love to play the Howard

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interview with Rob and his son Nick, but no, it's

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a copywriter by the people over at Howard Stern Show,

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so you'll have to go find it. It's really worth

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listening to. So the other big shooting over the weekend, well,

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the writers weren't a shooting, was a knife. The big

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one of two big shootings obviously was Brown University. Brown

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is one of the Ivy League colleges in Providence, Rhode Island.

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There's only about seven thousand students there, fairly small college

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in a medium sized city. And what bothers me about

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this one is they were very quick to roll out

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the video of a suspected shooter, and it really showed

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nothing other than the back of a guy turning a

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corner walking down the street, about about a ten or

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eleven second clip of a guy from behind. One of

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the things you can, however, do is people are surprised

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when you don't even think. I never thought about this

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until I learned this years ago. You can identify people

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by their gait, how they walk. We don't. We're like

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it's like a fingerprint. No two of us walk the same.

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It's subtle, but pay attention to look around at people

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and you'll see that people walk different, and you can

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spot somebody if you're looking for a friend in a crowd.

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You can see them if you know what they how

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they how they walk. But the thing about this is

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so Saturday was the shooting, and I stayed up late

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to find out if they were going to catch somebody,

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and they did not. I went to bed next morning,

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I wake up and well, what do you know, They've

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got a suspect, person of interest, not a suspect, and

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they were very careful about the wording about a person

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of interest. What was interesting then was on Sunday morning

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they had this person and they wouldn't give us his name,

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they wouldn't show us any photos of him. But the

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media was in a rush and they figured it out,

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and sure enough, late Sunday they came out with a

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photo of the guy and the guy's name. So I

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go to bed last night thinking, know they got the

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guy and everything else. I wake up this morning and

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there is Mayor Smiley from Providence, Rhode Island, going, oh, yeah,

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we had to release the guys.

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Speaker 16: What other evidence has come to light, because all that's

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been released is that one brief clip of video from

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Hope Street. Were understanding right now of a person who

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did seem unidentifiable.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and to maybe help clear up some confusion because

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I listened to the clip earlier from our Attorney general.

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The video that we released is the clearest picture we

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have of the individual we believed to be responsible. But

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that doesn't mean that there is other evidence. We're talking

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about trying to get a clear shot of an individual

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with identifiable features that can help advance the investigation. But

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there was still a lot of evidence collected at the

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crime scene and throughout the investigation over the last nearly

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two days. At this point, that's all subject to the

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investigation and there's no additional details that I could share, although,

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as I shared last night, we don't believe that there's

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an threat to public safety here in the city of Providence,

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and there is in fact, an enhanced presence throughout the city.

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I know there's a lot of focus on the campus

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right now, but you know, our responsibility and concern is

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not just Brown University's campus, but the entire city of Provadence.

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Speaker 2: So let me get this right. So, in other words.

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They don't know who it is, they don't know where

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he is, they don't know what he looks like. But

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they've they've released the lockdown, and they are assuring everybody

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that everything is safe. How can you do something? How

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could you possibly say everything is safe? Why don't you

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say be on guard and don't go wandering around without

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your head on this wovel something to say, You've still

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got to be on guard. How would you like to be?

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I know that the university has canceled all their classes

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and their exams, and the kids there, apparently a lot

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of them, were interviewed about the fact that they're all

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scrambling to get a plane, a reservation or a train

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or something to get out of Providence, Rhode Island. They

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don't want to be there anymore. They are panicking from them,

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They were right there where they'd heard the gunshots. So

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it's another case of a public official just making up stuff.

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Why can't they be honest and say, we don't know,

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we don't know where he is, we don't know who

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he is, and therefore, the fact that we have lifted

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the lockdown, you're on your own. We're not going to

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tell you where everything's safe. And we also said, well

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we get enhanced police presence. The reporters that are there

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in Providence are going what is he talking about? There

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are there few police. They've been working like dobbs over

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the weekend, so I'm sure a lot of them were

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told to go home and get some rest. But the

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mayor is basically lying to the public about it's all

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safe and we have a police enhanced presence, and they don't.

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They just do not. Let's find out what John Miller,

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former NYPD past to sen.

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Speaker 4: Well as you framed it. Ben Ericksson has been released.

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He was held for about nineteen hours. The Attorney General

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of Rhode Island described it this way. Collectively, we were

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investigating leads. One of those leads led to a person

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of interest over twenty four hours. The evidence points in

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a different direction. Okay, how and how did they come

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to that determination? According to the Attorney General and the

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Chief of the Providence Police, forensics tests were conducted, evidence

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was tested. They were not matches. That suggests that when

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they interviewed this person of interest and he said I

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haven't been there, I've been in the hotel the whole time,

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that that may actually be the case. They tested items

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found at the scene, evidence found at the scene against

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evidence they collected in the search of his hotel room,

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things they took pursue into that search warrant. Now we

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don't know whether that included DNA or whether that just

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was the ballistics from the guns or tests on the clothing,

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but it drove them to the conclusion that they did

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not have enough to charge this individual, and probably closer

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to the conclusion that they had the wrong person.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they got the wrong person. Meantime, you know

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that that guy with the media showing giving his name

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and his photo, can you say lawsuits are coming? You

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better believe it that he's going to sue the media

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and win with that. He doesn't even need a good

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lawyer to win that case. Meantime, John Miller referred to

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the attorney general. Here's what the Attorney General said.

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Speaker 17: Certainly, there was some degree of evidence that pointed to

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this individual, but that evidence needed to be corroborated and confirmed,

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and over the last twenty four hours leading into just

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very very recently, that evidence now points in a different direction.

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There's a ton of things that happen next, and so

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I don't want to get into all those things because obviously.

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Speaker 11: We have.

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Speaker 17: A murderer out there, frankly, and so we're not going

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to give away the game plan.

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Speaker 12: But the fact of the.

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Speaker 17: Matter is is that a law enforcement has the tools

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necessary to solve this case.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least he admitted that there is a murderer

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out there, somebody who randomly went in and shot up

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a classroom. There are forty people in that classroom. Eleven

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of them were hit, two were killed, nine were injured.

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And at least he said, yeah, the person who had

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the guts to do that is still on the loose.

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I listened to this guy, this is a teaching assistant

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that was in that classroom, was not hurt. But listen

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to how he describes the suspect.

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Speaker 8: I looked to my right, and I see a bunch

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of students running down the stairs, running out the door,

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jumping on the ground, just whatever it takes to stay alive.

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Speaker 7: When you made eye contact with him, what did your

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mind tell you in terms of what was happening in

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that moment?

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Speaker 4: When I saw him, I saw a gun.

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Speaker 8: The gun was so big and long that I genuinely

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tht like, okay, this is the end of diversity.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that he said the gun was big

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and long. The video they have of the guy that

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they think is the suspect, the only the backside is

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he's turning the corner by the University. If he had

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a big long I don't know where he hit it,

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because he had his left arm was swinging his right arm,

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his right hand was in his coat pocket, but there

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wasn't It didn't appear that there was any room for

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any big long gun, which makes you wonder about that

479
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video they keep showing us if that's not even the

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right guy. Former FBI agent Juliet Kim is in Providence,

481
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and this is what she's thinking.

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Speaker 18: I think it's kind to call in a manhunt right now,

483
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in the sense that manhunt generally means you know who

484
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you're looking for, if at least from what we know publicly,

485
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they really only have the backshot that we don't even

486
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know the identity, race, or visuals of the face of

487
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the person they're looking for. So, as John was saying,

488
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you sort of have to do a regroup. That regroup

489
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is happening in two ways. One is take a step

490
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back and figure out whether where they're looking is the

491
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right place to look. He had to have slept somewhere,

492
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he had to get gas if he went on nine

493
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ninety five. The second is the group of what we

494
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call the sort of incident command, and you saw that

495
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last night. I had never seen a local jurisdiction essentially

496
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throw the FBI under the bus, not just saying we're

497
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in charge, but saying, look that lead that led us

498
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to the person of interests who ended up not being

499
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the person of interest essentially was run by the FBI.

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Speaker 9: They said so explicitly.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, at this point it's more important look

502
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forward to figure out how they get it right. But

503
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you don't like to hear that in the middle of

504
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an investigation. So, Julie, we're standing on the corner, like

505
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right next to the building which is the crime scene,

506
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:37,839
some police presidence, coming back and forth, but not nearly

507
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as much as we saw yesterday. Already speaking to students

508
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who tell me they don't feel safe.

509
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Speaker 2: I mean, how.

510
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Speaker 9: Safe should you feel in this community?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 18: I mean, this is the challenge is unfortunately the challenge

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of having so many mass shootings is you can't close

514
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down a community indefinitely until you say, well, we found

515
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the guy. And I actually believe the mayor made the

516
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,359
right call. You have to sort of get people starting

517
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to think about maybe, you know, living it's non normal

518
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and certainly yet but sort of getting back to openness.

519
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The lockdown in those immediate hours was totally appropriate. But

520
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you know, we experienced this in Boston during the marathon.

521
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,599
Usian cities have experienced this after terrorism. If you say

522
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everyone locked down until we find him, that's just not

523
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the right standard. But and so I know people are saying, well,

524
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if they don't have them, why are we out and

525
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about It's just it's just unfortunately the nature of living

526
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with a certain amount of violence and risk in this

527
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country at all times.

528
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Speaker 2: So if you went to the university, would you go

529
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back to the university. If you were a parent of

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a student at Brown University, would you send them back

531
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to the college right now? By the way, This afternoon

532
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:54,920
they released a second videotape. It looks kind of like

533
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,440
the guy that went around the corner that they have released.

534
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,440
It's gone viral, but it's from like a block away.

535
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:07,119
It's really hard to make out anything about the person's

536
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physical appearance. So they've got but I wonder how many

537
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,800
other tapes that they have, and if they're if they're

538
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holding them back for some reason. Here's one more student

539
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that was in the building. He was on the floor

540
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above when the shooting started.

541
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Speaker 19: Yeah, well it happened all behind me, So I learned

542
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in the moment that there was a shooter behind me.

543
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So what was happening was I had just left the

544
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Physics master's office, which is on the first floor of

545
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Parrison Holly, the Physics and Engineering building. I had just

546
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spoken with my satellite team, the t Rex team, and

547
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I was heading to the diner because I was hungry.

548
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And as I started to descend down these stairs, I

549
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suddenly heard this pup, pup, pup, pup, seven or eight

550
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,840
light pop sounds that are very punctual that I never

551
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,840
heard anything like that before, and I was confused. At first,

552
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I glanced behind me and the lobby was empty. There

553
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was nobody in the lobby, so I was sure that

554
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I miss heard something. But then the pops kept continuing,

555
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and that's that's when I ran.

556
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Speaker 2: Then other question in my mind is is this guy

557
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going to do yet another attack. He's somewhere, he's on

558
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the loose. He had a big, long gun that wasn't

559
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what the person that was walking around that corner, or

560
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this new video that came out with this afternoon of

561
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a guy walking down the street. I don't see any

562
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big long gun with anybody, So who he is, where

563
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he is is everybody's guests. All right, let's talk about

564
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Australia Honkah Honkah, I mean, I mean Honikah is you know,

565
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the traditional gritty is happy Honkah. I was reading about

566
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the whole background on it, and it's forbidden to fast

567
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or mourn, and it's a happy time. It is a

568
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:14,159
time to enjoy, to be happy. And instead the honkul

569
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apparently this Bondy Beach by Sydney, Australia, it's an annual

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event that they hold there and it's to celebrate Honikah

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and there's I don't know hundreds of not thousands of

572
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mostly Jewish families that are there when these two guys

573
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opened fire on them. What's amazing is the video of

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where there was a bystander who saw the one guy

575
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shooting and snuck up through the parking lot on him,

576
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grabbed him, wrestled him to the ground, took his gun

577
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,880
away from him and did not shoot him. But talk

578
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about brave. He could have been killed. He had to

579
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get that gun away away from the guy or he

580
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,840
was going to be dead, apparently, And they're also pointing

581
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out this afternoon that he is a Palestinian Muslim. He

582
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didn't care he saw human beings being killed. This is

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00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,760
again Alex Rivlin is his name.

584
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Speaker 12: He is.

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Speaker 2: Very active in the Jewish community and apparently was supposed

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to be part of the festivities at the Bondi Beach

587
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yesterday but had to do something else in his life

588
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therefore was spared.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Look, I know everyone who was there at that event.

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That's an event where I attend with my family every

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single year. I've spoken at that event for the last

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probably ten years. I was scheduled to speak again tonight,

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but in the last minute I was contacting the rabbi

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and saying I had a bud mitzvah to attend. Maybe

596
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we could bump me from the run sheet a little

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bit forward, and that rabbi, who is a dear, dear

598
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,159
friend and one of the kindest and most beautiful human

599
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beings ever known, is among the dead. One of my

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colleagues was there and he's wounded and he's in hospital

601
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at the moment. I've just heard that again a friend.

602
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He has lost his twelve year old daughter who's succumb

603
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to her wounds in hospital. We're a very close knit

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community and this event is kind of the gem of

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our year. It's something we look forward to every year.

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It's when we gather on Bonday Beach with families and

607
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we have face painting and jumping castles and petting zoos,

608
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and we marked the beginning of the Festival of Lights.

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It's a joyous day.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be a joyous day. But listen, the hero

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who tackled the father and son that were doing the shooting.

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They are also the son was born in Australia. The

613
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father was an immigrant from quite a few years back.

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Because his son is twenty four, he's fifty. The son

615
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was born in Australia, but he came from another country

616
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and has lived there in Australia on various visas ever since.

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Apparently there was some investigation a few years ago for

618
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being a member of an ISIS cell, but nothing came

619
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of that. Now, the interesting part about this story and

620
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,760
the story of Brown University. Even though again this man

621
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,760
tackled the shooter, one of the shooters, the father, I

622
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,440
think it was the father. The thing that I find

623
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,239
fascinating about is there was no gun. And the reason

624
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,039
there was no gun is because Australia has extremely strict

625
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:48,519
gun laws. There was a carnage thirty years ago, which

626
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:52,599
after which Australia cracked down on gun ownership. You've got

627
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,400
to get a license and very hard to get, so

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not many people have guns. And so the guy did

629
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not have a gun. He tackled him physically and took

630
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the gun away from the shooter. The thing, Brown University

631
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:08,559
is also a very liberal campus, and nobody had a gun.

632
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There were no armed guards at the at the engineering building.

633
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In fact, engineering they did not even have a bunch

634
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,559
of cameras. You think, what's do you think the engineering

635
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:24,119
building would have lots of cameras? In any case, they

636
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no guns to be sent to be found. And so

637
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,639
you're a sitting duck in both of those cases. Again,

638
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,400
as we're recording this, they're releasing. They're now releasing what

639
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,280
they went and found all kinds of video of the

640
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,280
shooter at Brown walking down the street and I'm still

641
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,559
looking at it and going, I don't see any long guns.

642
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:53,320
So I don't know who this guy is. But he's

643
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,599
got a mask on, I got a hat, a mask.

644
00:40:56,639 --> 00:41:01,679
He's dressed in black primarily, so it looks like they

645
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,559
probably had the guy. Maybe the guy that told us

646
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:06,400
that the guy had a big long gun was just

647
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:12,880
panicked and believes that's what he saw. So that's sadly

648
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,119
what we have for you today, very very tragic day.

649
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Let's hope for better news tomorrow. Market today it started

650
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off very positive but finished down just slightly. The Dow

651
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down forty one to forty eighty four to sixteen s

652
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and P down eleven, NASDAC down one hundred and thirty seven.

653
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:39,440
Gold was up a little six dollars higher to four

654
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,079
thousand and three thirty four. Oil down a buck to

655
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:48,840
fifty six dollars now for one barrel of oil. Thank

656
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you for coming by today. We'll try this again tomorrow.

657
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Hope to see you then,