Speaker 1: And welcome one and all. Welcome to the Big Podcast
on this Monday. Today is the fifteenth day of December,
year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is
Tom Sullivan, and holy smokes, I mean this is I
got to tell you. I got an email earlier today
that I you know, I thought, well, that's that's awfully nice,
but it was from Eaglestorm, and Eaglestorm says something fun
to talk about the number of college.
Speaker 2: Teams opting out of bowling. You know, I would love
to do something fun to talk about, but sadly, we
are overwhelmed with terrible, terrible news that came out over
the weekend, and I've just I'm blown away by I mean,
we need to address it for many different reasons. But
it's also something you can't go out and bring balloons
to a funeral. I mean, you just there are certain
times when you've got to take things seriously. So we've
got the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle.
We've got the shooting at Brown University in Providence, Rhode
Island that it's an amazing story that continues. We've got
the massive shooting the Honica celebration at Bondi Beach in Australia,
where fifteen p people were killed or sixteen the number
moves around a little bit. Thirty eight people were hurt.
So I mean, this is serious stuff and you need
to at least address the whole thing. Let me start
with Rob Reiner, who I've got to tell you I've
dealt with never. I never met the man, but I
always thought he was an annoying guy because he was
so aggressive and opinionated about his politics and they were far, far,
far to the left. And then I heard an interview
one time with Howard Stern. Say what you want about Howard.
I think he's an amazing interviewer. And I came away
from that going, man, that guy sounds like a nice guy.
I don't agree with any of his politics, but he
sounds like a really nice man. And more that we
can agree on is is what an amazing movie maker,
What an creative mind this guy had. And so if
you're just turning it in, you're going, what's what do you?
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He and his wife were found dead in their home
in Brentwood in Los Angeles yesterday afternoon. Brentwood. Is it
is right? It's right down the street from where O. J.
Simpson's house used to be. It's in that's a very
very very nice neighborhood. And I mean he's been he's
a very successful guy. I mean, I mean we all
met him, some of some of you maybe met him, Mums.
I don't know some replays, but Archie Bunker, and he
was the son in law on Archie Bunker. And Archie
Bunker was a big conservative guy, and he played it
well because it was really him. Rob Reiner was a
big liberal, and so the son of law versus the
father in law. There was there was this wonderful comedy
that came out of that very very successful sitcom years ago.
But there was another interview with Howard Stern that I
ran across. I was looking around today about the I
was looking for the interview that Howard did with Rob Reiner,
and what I found instead was an interview that Howard
had Rob Reiner and his son Nick on his radio
show in twenty sixteen to promote the movie Becoming Charlie.
It was coming out that weekend, and so they were
doing the publicity rounds and so there is Rob Reiner
and his son Nick, and I highly recommend that you
google Howard Stern interview with Rob Reiner and you will
see it was a Reddit posting. You will see where
there's an interview that Rob Reiner did with his son
Nick on The Howard Stern Show. And so Nick was
very open about the fact that he basically says, I
dropped out of school, I didn't finish high school. I
had I had no ambition, I got into drugs. I
was homeless, I had no skills, no anything. And the
life that he that he said he finally got out
of his drug world because he just got tired of
doing drugs. Years took a few years, but he finally
just said this is this is I'm doing the same
thing every day, just more drugs. And they he asked
the Nick what kind of drugs do you take? To everything?
I took them all. I did everything. So it's amazing
that he's a is alive, and yet something wrong with
the son. I I'm sure a lot of you listening
to this, not all of you, but there's a lot
of you that can relate. When my children were younger,
I remember some families where there was one of the
kids that was a nice little kid in grade school
and even in middle school. But by the time they
got to high school, they went down, they made a turn,
and they went down the road of drugs and parents
trying to figure out what to do about helping them
get off that drug regimen. And some drugs are hard
to beat. It's an addiction. And I'm not sure if
some people don't have an addiction. Gene I knew a
guy who was everything he did he got addicted to,
whether it was alcohol, then he that he beat that,
that he got into drugs, and I mean, just one
thing after another. He just had an addiction. Gene I
swear so. In this interview, Rob Reiner talks about the
fact that he did not know what to do. He
has three children, two sons and a daughter. I believe
Nick is the second son. I don't know if he's
older or younger than the daughter. The daughter is the
one who walked into the home yesterday afternoon and found
her parents slaughtered. They were stabbed to death. And stabbing
is a crime that's not like a lot of crimes.
It's very personal and there has to be a lot
of anger. And that's exactly what Nick said in that
interview nine years ago. Was that when he was going
through his drug era that he was very angry. I'm
not sure what the current status is of his sobriety,
but I got the feeling he's falling off the wagon again.
So that was even an LA Times reporting that there
was an argument between Nick and Rob Reiner at a
holiday party that Conan O'Brien threw at his home over
the weekend. It must have been Saturday, because yesterday it
blew up. And Nick lives in a guesthouse on the
property where Rob Reiner and his wife have lived for many,
many years. So it's just all the way around. I
don't agree with any of Rob Reiner's politics, but it
sounds to me like the man was a very good man.
Let me play this just as an example. This was
just a month or so ago he was on with
Piers Morgan, and Piers Morgan asked him about UH charge
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and this is what this
is what Rob Reiner said.
Speaker 3: I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable.
That's not a solution UH to UH to solving problems.
And I felt like what his wife said at the
servants that the memorial they had was exactly right and
totally I believe.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Jewish, but I I believe in the teachings of Jesus,
and I believe in doing to others, and I believe
in forgiveness. And what she said to me was beautiful
and absolutely you know what she she forgave his his assassin,
and I think that that is admirable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the the big liberal talking about the
big conservative. And was impressed by Charlie Kirk's wife at
the service the whole event, though, can I I am
the number one supporter of law enforcement of anybody in
the media. But I got to tell you something, the
way the LAPD handled this yesterday was amateur at best.
One thing that you know, you don't need to tell
the public everything. You've got to hold back things for
investigative reasons, but don't lie to them. Do not lie
to them. Let me play you a little bit. This
is he's got a titled deputy chief, but I think
he's a public information officer for the LAPD. And here's
what went down yesterday.
Speaker 5: Ultimately, three this afternoon, Los ange Police officers along with
Los Angeles City Fire Department respotted to the two hundred
block of Chadbourne Avenue here in the city of Brentwood.
Speaker 6: Upon arrival, they determined that there were two deceased individuals
inside the residence.
Speaker 2: So they knew who the two deceased individuals were inside
that residence. But listen to the way the media handled
this with that LPD guy.
Speaker 7: See, why are you not exactly looking for suspect? Are
you confident you know who do this?
Speaker 4: We have not identified a suspect of the sign. Well,
then shouldn't you be looking for one?
Speaker 7: So these neighbors aren't worried about their own lives and
their own safety.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so at this time, after we determined so I
need everyone to understand something in order to comply with
the legal process before we do anything here, we have
to get a search warrant because their issues regarding standing
at this residence. So as long as those legal requirements
are met, we can continue the investigation.
Speaker 2: Well, a bunch of food. No, we don't have any
We can't say any fine, you don't have to say anything.
So we're going to We're not going to discuss our suspect,
but we do have a suspect. Let the people in
the neighborhood know that they're not a wild, crazy murderer
on the loose in the neighborhood. But he really stumbled
all over himself and they, oh, well, we need to
get a search warrant. And that's true. And they did
get a search warrant after they went in and found
the body. As they backed out and said, all right,
let's seal this house off, get a search warrant. But
he just made up a bunch of fuie. And I'm thinking,
whoever this guy is who's supposed to deal with the media,
needs to go back to media training one o one.
But back to Rob Reiner, I mean the list of
his movies. And I don't know if you know this.
For some of you, you're not old enough to remember
Carl Reiner. Carl Reiner was his father. Carl Reiner made
his first big splash in Hollywood. He created the Dick
Van Dyke Show, which, by the way, Dick Van Dyke
just had his one hundredth birthday over the weekend. Well,
he had your show of shows. It was back in
the fifties, Caesar's Hour back in the fifties. More well,
Dick Van Dyke Show was in the sixties. He collaborated
with Steve Martin on the movie The Jerk and Dead
Men Don't Wear Plaid. He also was involved and played
a role in Ocean's Eleven. So that's the dad. That
is the dad. And so Rob Reiner grew up the
son of a famous person, just like Nick grew up
the son of a famous person. And in that interview
with Howard, just googled Howard Stern interview with Nick and
Rob Reiner, eye opening. It's about a twenty minute interview.
A lot of the family photos show that Nick is
totally out of place with the others. I don't know,
they're not they're not active. All of them are smiling,
except for Nick. He seems like he's got some problems.
And apparently the mother, Michelle, was very concerned about his
mental health of late. Uh, some of the probably probably
some of the I pulled just a couple of quotes
from some of the movies, but I mean, you go
down the list of movies that Rob Reiner made, starting
with The Spinal Tap, A Few Good Men, When Harry
Met Sally, stand By Me, The American President, Misery, The
Princess Bride. He played a character in Sleepless in Seattle.
He and Then Being Charlie is the movie about basically
his son Nick that Nick wrote most of it along
with his dad. But this is the famous line from
One Hair he met Sally.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, oh.
Speaker 9: Oh god, I'll have what she's having.
Speaker 2: So that was Meg Ryan. And and the woman who
said I'll have what she's having was actually the real
life mother of Rob Reiner. He cast her in that
movie and that was that was a line that she
came up with. And it's a classic people quote that
all the time. Billy Crystal was the boyfriend sitting with
Meg Ryan at the time. But on that set when
Harry met Sally is where Rob Reiner met his wife Michelle.
They were both working on the same film, and that
is where they met. Another one that I think is
a fabulous quote of Rob Reiner's movies from a Few
Good Men.
Speaker 10: You want answers, I take I'm entitled. You want answers,
I want the truth? You can't handle the truth. A
very quotable line from Jack Nicholson and a Few good Men.
It just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2: Brett Lang with Variety was like everybody else, stunned.
Speaker 11: It's a seismic shock because Rob Reiner is such an
outsized presence in the entertainment community. I mean, he's almost
the mayor of Hollywood. He's such an affable, genial person,
and you would be hard pressed to find people. Maybe
they didn't always agree with him politically, but who disliked
him on a personal level. He was that.
Speaker 4: Warm and outgoing and beloved.
Speaker 2: Frankly, yeah, well, fifty years in the film business. He
made a lot of friends over those years. Some of
the investigation going on, Steve More, former FBI investigator.
Speaker 12: Well, I think based on what I've heard that family
members are talking. Nobody seems to be in the family
seems to be wildly shocked about this, So I think
we're going to find out more and more. There were
indicators that there were problems in the relationship, problems with him,
and you know, I think LAPD has taking it very carefully.
They're not treating it like a slam dunk. I see
that they're getting a warrant or they got a warrant
to search the home of the victims, and so that,
you know, you don't always do that, so they are
taking it extremely carefully.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people observing what they're doing
that the l i PD that are thinking they're taking
it too carefully. Josh Campbell, former FBI guy, he had
this to say, Yeah.
Speaker 13: This obviously a department that is no stranger to high
profile investigations and celebrity deaths for that matter. And as
Steve was outlining there, I mean, they have to be
very methodical because if you have a suspected homicide, that
means obviously a potential suspect out there and a potential prosecution.
And we did here last night that medics had originally
originally arrived to the home and were called after someone
had found the couple. Police did a cursory investigation, but
then they backed out because they knew that they needed
to gather whatever evidence they could in order to build
a potential case. We're sold they got that search warrant
to go through and process. Now there are a couple
of big questions that we still have as far as
where the investigation goes next, because we know, if it
does indeed turn out that the sun here wasn't arrested
in connection with the deaths, police would do an interview
and try to gather as much information as they as
they can Sometimes suspect, if he indeed eventually becomes known
as a suspect, will confess, will provide information. Sometimes they don't,
they'll lawyer up, as they say, in which case investigator
investigators have to rely on other evidence. We know finally
that there's a significant forensic component here as well. They
would have to go through and process that home from
top to bottom looking for any potential weapon if that
was indeed used here. Again, all to try to potentially
build this case. The fact that we're talking about a
four million dollar bail is quite significant. Of course, we're
being conservative and only reported is what we know as
of this moment.
Speaker 14: Moment, Josh, let me just interrupt you there because I
was just told as you were talking that the LAPD
chief just confirmed that Nick Reiner, the son of Robin
Michelle Reiner, was booked on murder charges.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's an important development because we know the chief
was just speaking on a separate press conference underway in
a domestic terrorism case. But that's that's the connection that
we were waiting there. Whether authorities would actually say this
was a murder of that type of charge, obviously significant development.
It tells you the direction that this investigation is going.
Speaker 2: Back to Steve Moore on his reaction, Well, I'm just
the one thing that strikes me is that they went
to get a search horn in the victim's home.
Speaker 12: Indicates to me that there might have been some kind
of at least or plausible indication that Nick would have
had an expectation of privacy in that home, which would
indicate maybe he was residing there or residing there temporarily
or occasionally.
Speaker 2: It turns out that Nick was living again, like I said,
in the guesthouse on the property there in Brentwood, Los Angeles.
Here is the police chief in Los Angeles, Jim McDonald,
making the announcement.
Speaker 15: We have our Robbery Homicide Division handling the investigation. They
work throughout the night on this case, and we're able
to take into custody Nick Ryan a suspect in this case.
He was subsequently booked for murder and is being held
on four million dollar vail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter if you are a celebrity. Wealthy
families have problems with some of the kids that get
off on drugs. They usually don't go kill their parents,
but there's it's a it's a turmoil that a lot
of families in this country probably are relating to on
some level. Again, I would love to play the Howard
interview with Rob and his son Nick, but no, it's
a copywriter by the people over at Howard Stern Show,
so you'll have to go find it. It's really worth
listening to. So the other big shooting over the weekend, well,
the writers weren't a shooting, was a knife. The big
one of two big shootings obviously was Brown University. Brown
is one of the Ivy League colleges in Providence, Rhode Island.
There's only about seven thousand students there, fairly small college
in a medium sized city. And what bothers me about
this one is they were very quick to roll out
the video of a suspected shooter, and it really showed
nothing other than the back of a guy turning a
corner walking down the street, about about a ten or
eleven second clip of a guy from behind. One of
the things you can, however, do is people are surprised
when you don't even think. I never thought about this
until I learned this years ago. You can identify people
by their gait, how they walk. We don't. We're like
it's like a fingerprint. No two of us walk the same.
It's subtle, but pay attention to look around at people
and you'll see that people walk different, and you can
spot somebody if you're looking for a friend in a crowd.
You can see them if you know what they how
they how they walk. But the thing about this is
so Saturday was the shooting, and I stayed up late
to find out if they were going to catch somebody,
and they did not. I went to bed next morning,
I wake up and well, what do you know, They've
got a suspect, person of interest, not a suspect, and
they were very careful about the wording about a person
of interest. What was interesting then was on Sunday morning
they had this person and they wouldn't give us his name,
they wouldn't show us any photos of him. But the
media was in a rush and they figured it out,
and sure enough, late Sunday they came out with a
photo of the guy and the guy's name. So I
go to bed last night thinking, know they got the
guy and everything else. I wake up this morning and
there is Mayor Smiley from Providence, Rhode Island, going, oh, yeah,
we had to release the guys.
Speaker 16: What other evidence has come to light, because all that's
been released is that one brief clip of video from
Hope Street. Were understanding right now of a person who
did seem unidentifiable.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and to maybe help clear up some confusion because
I listened to the clip earlier from our Attorney general.
The video that we released is the clearest picture we
have of the individual we believed to be responsible. But
that doesn't mean that there is other evidence. We're talking
about trying to get a clear shot of an individual
with identifiable features that can help advance the investigation. But
there was still a lot of evidence collected at the
crime scene and throughout the investigation over the last nearly
two days. At this point, that's all subject to the
investigation and there's no additional details that I could share, although,
as I shared last night, we don't believe that there's
an threat to public safety here in the city of Providence,
and there is in fact, an enhanced presence throughout the city.
I know there's a lot of focus on the campus
right now, but you know, our responsibility and concern is
not just Brown University's campus, but the entire city of Provadence.
Speaker 2: So let me get this right. So, in other words.
They don't know who it is, they don't know where
he is, they don't know what he looks like. But
they've they've released the lockdown, and they are assuring everybody
that everything is safe. How can you do something? How
could you possibly say everything is safe? Why don't you
say be on guard and don't go wandering around without
your head on this wovel something to say, You've still
got to be on guard. How would you like to be?
I know that the university has canceled all their classes
and their exams, and the kids there, apparently a lot
of them, were interviewed about the fact that they're all
scrambling to get a plane, a reservation or a train
or something to get out of Providence, Rhode Island. They
don't want to be there anymore. They are panicking from them,
They were right there where they'd heard the gunshots. So
it's another case of a public official just making up stuff.
Why can't they be honest and say, we don't know,
we don't know where he is, we don't know who
he is, and therefore, the fact that we have lifted
the lockdown, you're on your own. We're not going to
tell you where everything's safe. And we also said, well
we get enhanced police presence. The reporters that are there
in Providence are going what is he talking about? There
are there few police. They've been working like dobbs over
the weekend, so I'm sure a lot of them were
told to go home and get some rest. But the
mayor is basically lying to the public about it's all
safe and we have a police enhanced presence, and they don't.
They just do not. Let's find out what John Miller,
former NYPD past to sen.
Speaker 4: Well as you framed it. Ben Ericksson has been released.
He was held for about nineteen hours. The Attorney General
of Rhode Island described it this way. Collectively, we were
investigating leads. One of those leads led to a person
of interest over twenty four hours. The evidence points in
a different direction. Okay, how and how did they come
to that determination? According to the Attorney General and the
Chief of the Providence Police, forensics tests were conducted, evidence
was tested. They were not matches. That suggests that when
they interviewed this person of interest and he said I
haven't been there, I've been in the hotel the whole time,
that that may actually be the case. They tested items
found at the scene, evidence found at the scene against
evidence they collected in the search of his hotel room,
things they took pursue into that search warrant. Now we
don't know whether that included DNA or whether that just
was the ballistics from the guns or tests on the clothing,
but it drove them to the conclusion that they did
not have enough to charge this individual, and probably closer
to the conclusion that they had the wrong person.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they got the wrong person. Meantime, you know
that that guy with the media showing giving his name
and his photo, can you say lawsuits are coming? You
better believe it that he's going to sue the media
and win with that. He doesn't even need a good
lawyer to win that case. Meantime, John Miller referred to
the attorney general. Here's what the Attorney General said.
Speaker 17: Certainly, there was some degree of evidence that pointed to
this individual, but that evidence needed to be corroborated and confirmed,
and over the last twenty four hours leading into just
very very recently, that evidence now points in a different direction.
There's a ton of things that happen next, and so
I don't want to get into all those things because obviously.
Speaker 11: We have.
Speaker 17: A murderer out there, frankly, and so we're not going
to give away the game plan.
Speaker 12: But the fact of the.
Speaker 17: Matter is is that a law enforcement has the tools
necessary to solve this case.
Speaker 2: Well, at least he admitted that there is a murderer
out there, somebody who randomly went in and shot up
a classroom. There are forty people in that classroom. Eleven
of them were hit, two were killed, nine were injured.
And at least he said, yeah, the person who had
the guts to do that is still on the loose.
I listened to this guy, this is a teaching assistant
that was in that classroom, was not hurt. But listen
to how he describes the suspect.
Speaker 8: I looked to my right, and I see a bunch
of students running down the stairs, running out the door,
jumping on the ground, just whatever it takes to stay alive.
Speaker 7: When you made eye contact with him, what did your
mind tell you in terms of what was happening in
that moment?
Speaker 4: When I saw him, I saw a gun.
Speaker 8: The gun was so big and long that I genuinely
tht like, okay, this is the end of diversity.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that he said the gun was big
and long. The video they have of the guy that
they think is the suspect, the only the backside is
he's turning the corner by the University. If he had
a big long I don't know where he hit it,
because he had his left arm was swinging his right arm,
his right hand was in his coat pocket, but there
wasn't It didn't appear that there was any room for
any big long gun, which makes you wonder about that
video they keep showing us if that's not even the
right guy. Former FBI agent Juliet Kim is in Providence,
and this is what she's thinking.
Speaker 18: I think it's kind to call in a manhunt right now,
in the sense that manhunt generally means you know who
you're looking for, if at least from what we know publicly,
they really only have the backshot that we don't even
know the identity, race, or visuals of the face of
the person they're looking for. So, as John was saying,
you sort of have to do a regroup. That regroup
is happening in two ways. One is take a step
back and figure out whether where they're looking is the
right place to look. He had to have slept somewhere,
he had to get gas if he went on nine
ninety five. The second is the group of what we
call the sort of incident command, and you saw that
last night. I had never seen a local jurisdiction essentially
throw the FBI under the bus, not just saying we're
in charge, but saying, look that lead that led us
to the person of interests who ended up not being
the person of interest essentially was run by the FBI.
Speaker 9: They said so explicitly.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, at this point it's more important look
forward to figure out how they get it right. But
you don't like to hear that in the middle of
an investigation. So, Julie, we're standing on the corner, like
right next to the building which is the crime scene,
some police presidence, coming back and forth, but not nearly
as much as we saw yesterday. Already speaking to students
who tell me they don't feel safe.
Speaker 2: I mean, how.
Speaker 9: Safe should you feel in this community?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 18: I mean, this is the challenge is unfortunately the challenge
of having so many mass shootings is you can't close
down a community indefinitely until you say, well, we found
the guy. And I actually believe the mayor made the
right call. You have to sort of get people starting
to think about maybe, you know, living it's non normal
and certainly yet but sort of getting back to openness.
The lockdown in those immediate hours was totally appropriate. But
you know, we experienced this in Boston during the marathon.
Usian cities have experienced this after terrorism. If you say
everyone locked down until we find him, that's just not
the right standard. But and so I know people are saying, well,
if they don't have them, why are we out and
about It's just it's just unfortunately the nature of living
with a certain amount of violence and risk in this
country at all times.
Speaker 2: So if you went to the university, would you go
back to the university. If you were a parent of
a student at Brown University, would you send them back
to the college right now? By the way, This afternoon
they released a second videotape. It looks kind of like
the guy that went around the corner that they have released.
It's gone viral, but it's from like a block away.
It's really hard to make out anything about the person's
physical appearance. So they've got but I wonder how many
other tapes that they have, and if they're if they're
holding them back for some reason. Here's one more student
that was in the building. He was on the floor
above when the shooting started.
Speaker 19: Yeah, well it happened all behind me, So I learned
in the moment that there was a shooter behind me.
So what was happening was I had just left the
Physics master's office, which is on the first floor of
Parrison Holly, the Physics and Engineering building. I had just
spoken with my satellite team, the t Rex team, and
I was heading to the diner because I was hungry.
And as I started to descend down these stairs, I
suddenly heard this pup, pup, pup, pup, seven or eight
light pop sounds that are very punctual that I never
heard anything like that before, and I was confused. At first,
I glanced behind me and the lobby was empty. There
was nobody in the lobby, so I was sure that
I miss heard something. But then the pops kept continuing,
and that's that's when I ran.
Speaker 2: Then other question in my mind is is this guy
going to do yet another attack. He's somewhere, he's on
the loose. He had a big, long gun that wasn't
what the person that was walking around that corner, or
this new video that came out with this afternoon of
a guy walking down the street. I don't see any
big long gun with anybody, So who he is, where
he is is everybody's guests. All right, let's talk about
Australia Honkah Honkah, I mean, I mean Honikah is you know,
the traditional gritty is happy Honkah. I was reading about
the whole background on it, and it's forbidden to fast
or mourn, and it's a happy time. It is a
time to enjoy, to be happy. And instead the honkul
apparently this Bondy Beach by Sydney, Australia, it's an annual
event that they hold there and it's to celebrate Honikah
and there's I don't know hundreds of not thousands of
mostly Jewish families that are there when these two guys
opened fire on them. What's amazing is the video of
where there was a bystander who saw the one guy
shooting and snuck up through the parking lot on him,
grabbed him, wrestled him to the ground, took his gun
away from him and did not shoot him. But talk
about brave. He could have been killed. He had to
get that gun away away from the guy or he
was going to be dead, apparently, And they're also pointing
out this afternoon that he is a Palestinian Muslim. He
didn't care he saw human beings being killed. This is
again Alex Rivlin is his name.
Speaker 12: He is.
Speaker 2: Very active in the Jewish community and apparently was supposed
to be part of the festivities at the Bondi Beach
yesterday but had to do something else in his life
therefore was spared.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 20: Look, I know everyone who was there at that event.
That's an event where I attend with my family every
single year. I've spoken at that event for the last
probably ten years. I was scheduled to speak again tonight,
but in the last minute I was contacting the rabbi
and saying I had a bud mitzvah to attend. Maybe
we could bump me from the run sheet a little
bit forward, and that rabbi, who is a dear, dear
friend and one of the kindest and most beautiful human
beings ever known, is among the dead. One of my
colleagues was there and he's wounded and he's in hospital
at the moment. I've just heard that again a friend.
He has lost his twelve year old daughter who's succumb
to her wounds in hospital. We're a very close knit
community and this event is kind of the gem of
our year. It's something we look forward to every year.
It's when we gather on Bonday Beach with families and
we have face painting and jumping castles and petting zoos,
and we marked the beginning of the Festival of Lights.
It's a joyous day.
Speaker 2: Supposed to be a joyous day. But listen, the hero
who tackled the father and son that were doing the shooting.
They are also the son was born in Australia. The
father was an immigrant from quite a few years back.
Because his son is twenty four, he's fifty. The son
was born in Australia, but he came from another country
and has lived there in Australia on various visas ever since.
Apparently there was some investigation a few years ago for
being a member of an ISIS cell, but nothing came
of that. Now, the interesting part about this story and
the story of Brown University. Even though again this man
tackled the shooter, one of the shooters, the father, I
think it was the father. The thing that I find
fascinating about is there was no gun. And the reason
there was no gun is because Australia has extremely strict
gun laws. There was a carnage thirty years ago, which
after which Australia cracked down on gun ownership. You've got
to get a license and very hard to get, so
not many people have guns. And so the guy did
not have a gun. He tackled him physically and took
the gun away from the shooter. The thing, Brown University
is also a very liberal campus, and nobody had a gun.
There were no armed guards at the at the engineering building.
In fact, engineering they did not even have a bunch
of cameras. You think, what's do you think the engineering
building would have lots of cameras? In any case, they
no guns to be sent to be found. And so
you're a sitting duck in both of those cases. Again,
as we're recording this, they're releasing. They're now releasing what
they went and found all kinds of video of the
shooter at Brown walking down the street and I'm still
looking at it and going, I don't see any long guns.
So I don't know who this guy is. But he's
got a mask on, I got a hat, a mask.
He's dressed in black primarily, so it looks like they
probably had the guy. Maybe the guy that told us
that the guy had a big long gun was just
panicked and believes that's what he saw. So that's sadly
what we have for you today, very very tragic day.
Let's hope for better news tomorrow. Market today it started
off very positive but finished down just slightly. The Dow
down forty one to forty eighty four to sixteen s
and P down eleven, NASDAC down one hundred and thirty seven.
Gold was up a little six dollars higher to four
thousand and three thirty four. Oil down a buck to
fifty six dollars now for one barrel of oil. Thank
you for coming by today. We'll try this again tomorrow.
Hope to see you then,