WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.080 Today we discuss part two of Jorge Aliva Torres. If 2 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:13.599 you haven't yet listened to part one, we've gone over 3 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.800 much of the backstory regarding how it led up to 4 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:20.719 his arrest, and today, in part two, we're going to 5 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.719 go over much more of what police learned about him afterwards. 6 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.960 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and. 7 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:31.960 Grim, a true crime podcast. 8 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:34.079 Warning. 9 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:42.880 The following podcast and material intended more mature audience listener discretion. 10 00:00:43.439 --> 00:01:03.920 He's advised, got your drink ready? 11 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:05.359 Kind of yeah? 12 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:07.079 Kind of yeah? What's kind of yeah? 13 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.799 Well, I just have like hydration and pre workout. I'm 14 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.439 going to the gym after this. Well that's not very exciting. 15 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:16.879 That's a drink though, I guess. Yeah. I wonder if 16 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.159 anyone would have been able to hear my ankle crack 17 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:19.840 in that intro. 18 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.200 Oh really did you hear it? I didn't. I was 19 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.799 so focused on because I'll be honest on that one. 20 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.200 I didn't write a script, so I was just like 21 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.879 off the cuffing it, so I was too focused on, uh, 22 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:30.359 does this make sense? What should I say? 23 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.439 It probably would have been very faint, but I'm like, 24 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:33.840 oh my gosh, I'm so old. 25 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:36.040 Go back and take a look. See if you can. 26 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:38.519 I don't know if it will show up, but I'm like, dang, 27 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:39.319 fair enough. 28 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.840 Well that's like I got up off the couch. Was 29 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.239 it last night and you heard my like your heat? 30 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:47.519 I thought it was like your back or something, your 31 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:48.120 damn hip. 32 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.159 It was my hip and my knee. Yeah, I was 33 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:52.840 like there was a twofer in there. I'm not sure 34 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:54.319 which one you heard, but they both rad. 35 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.280 Oh my gosh. I don't know if I've ever like 36 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:57.719 had my hip crack. 37 00:01:58.400 --> 00:01:59.680 No, I don't know. 38 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:01.799 Huh, that's interesting. 39 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:03.079 Well I clearly have. 40 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.439 Yeah. I'm sitting here looking at your Mickey shirt. 41 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.360 Oh, Mickey is so fun. Yeah, I'm wearing a Mickey 42 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:11.120 most shirt today. 43 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.639 Red Bubble has done me a dirty I've ordered too, 44 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:14.599 and they're not coming in. 45 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:18.840 Yeah it sucks, but we are getting ready to go 46 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.960 to Disneyland here, so disney World, a disney World sorry 47 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.520 over in Orlando, my bad. So yeah, I'm I'm just 48 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:29.400 getting the Disney love flowing with my Mickey shirt this point. 49 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.080 You love it. 50 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:31.680 It's a good shirt. I like it. I like it 51 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.759 a lot. Do you remember part one of this case. 52 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:35.879 Do you remember what happened at all? 53 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:38.719 Bits and pieces for sure? Yeah? 54 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.280 You remember bits and pieces for sure? 55 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:41.800 I do. 56 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:42.719 Do you want me to give you a little bit 57 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.759 of a rundown? I love that, Okay. I just got 58 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.919 to find my place here. Hold on, okay, So let 59 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:48.319 me see. 60 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:48.879 Well. 61 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.080 It started off with Officer Clifford patrolling a certain area 62 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:54.840 where he always patrols at night, right, and he noticed 63 00:02:54.879 --> 00:03:00.800 a suspicious Dodge Durango silver suv just kind of parking, idling, 64 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:02.879 lights turned off, and pulling away, and he made note 65 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.719 of that license plate. He saw it a couple times. 66 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.680 Eventually there were abductions happening in the area of women 67 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:12.719 being abducted by a light colored suv. I mean, it's 68 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.680 a traumatic event. They didn't exactly remember all the details, 69 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:20.039 but they remembered a light colored suv, and eventually, thankfully, 70 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.919 with Officer Clifford writing down that license plate, they were 71 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.199 able to link those abductions where they all thankfully survived, 72 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:31.840 to the person that Officer Clifford had saw. So Officer 73 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.560 Clifford submitted the license plate, they ran it. They got 74 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:36.919 a hit on a person by the name of Jorge 75 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:42.199 Aliva Torres, who were calling George, So they approach his vehicle, 76 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.120 see some stuff inside this a little suspicious linking to 77 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.800 the crime. And eventually George comes up to the vehicle 78 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:52.120 as they're scoping it and they make an arrest on him. Now, 79 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.520 they also get DNA from one of the assaults, the 80 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.199 sexual assault, and they put it in National Data Bank 81 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.319 and it comes up as a hit from a murder 82 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:09.479 from five years ago, an unsolved murder. Well, we'll get 83 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:13.639 into exactly the solved unsolvedness of the murder. But the 84 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.319 DNA comes back saying, this is a match on the 85 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.079 DNA found on that crime scene, and that is on 86 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.839 two young little girls by the name of Laura Hobbes 87 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.759 and Crystal to Bias. And that's where we left off. 88 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.800 Oh yeah, okay, yeah, okay. 89 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:32.800 Does that ring any bells? 90 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.800 Oh? It totally does. But yeah, let's hear hear these 91 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:37.839 these gals story, the poor things. 92 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.959 Yeah, is there anything else you want to specifically talk 93 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.040 about before we dive into this. Did you remember anything 94 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.079 specific that you want to mention or anything about the 95 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.319 case or about Yeah, like about I mean, we could 96 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:50.680 go into some philosophical stuff if you really want, but 97 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.560 I'm thinking the case, like, are you like, well, this happened, right, 98 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:55.480 or do you have a question or something you really 99 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.000 want to bring up or point like, you know, put 100 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.040 an exclamation on or starbuy or anything. 101 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.519 No, No, oh, okay, I remember. I guess One thing 102 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.800 that came back is that I thought that I was 103 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.439 like questioning whether he actually like did this shit, you know, 104 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.079 because he the way I remember you did like a 105 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.360 bit of an introduction on him and stuff. Then he 106 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:16.360 actually comes across as like seeming a good person. He was. 107 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.040 He was kind of like a nice kind of guy, 108 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:20.959 and everyone described him as someone like don't give you 109 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:22.639 the shirt off his back kind of thing, right, But 110 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.199 he wasn't. But he wasn't. 111 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:25.560 He really really wasn't. 112 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:27.720 And at the time he was twenty two years old, 113 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.879 so he's relatively young. And yeah, it just it didn't 114 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:36.319 seem like he would do it. But unfortunately the evidence 115 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.680 points too otherwise. And I'm not saying it in that 116 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.079 manner because hey, there's room for error. No, like the 117 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.920 DNA DNA from a rape kit came back to that 118 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.839 is him. Yeah, so it is him. 119 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.279 And I remember, oh my gosh, that one quote too. 120 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.800 I'm not stupid as you like put on a condom 121 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.000 or whatever. Yeah, oh my gosh, this sky is just filled. 122 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:00.639 Well I know. 123 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:02.720 Okay, let's hear it. 124 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.120 Okay, let's go. So we're going to start off with 125 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.319 Laura Gail Hobbs, who was born on September twenty fifth, 126 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.639 nineteen ninety six, in Wichita Falls, Texas. She was a 127 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:17.040 bright and imaginative second grader at Bellula Park Elementary School. 128 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.199 Her mother, Sheila and father Jerry adored her, and by 129 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.759 two thousand and five, Laura had developed a deep love 130 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:26.079 for reading, often bringing her stories to life with puppets. 131 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.639 When she wasn't immersed in books, she was outside riding 132 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.120 her bike full of energy, often in the company of 133 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.800 her best friend and neighbor, Crystal Tobias. Now Crystal Tobias 134 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:42.000 was born on October twenty sixth, nineteen ninety five in Wacougan, Illinois, 135 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:45.439 and lived with her older brother Alberto. Like Laura, she 136 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.560 loved being outside, playing dress up and picking dandelion flowers. Together, 137 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:54.720 Laura and Crystal were inseparable, always exploring, laughing, and enjoying 138 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:59.399 the adventures of outdoors and childhood all around. On Mother's 139 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.120 Day on eight, two thousand and five, the two girls 140 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.600 told their families they were heading to a nearby park. 141 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.680 Both girls climbed onto Laura's bike, pedaling away with carefree spirits. 142 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.920 At their typical age, it was a familiar routine, one 143 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.920 that neither family had any reason to worry about. But 144 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.399 as dinner time came and went with no sign of 145 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.560 the girls coming home, worry quickly set in. 146 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.360 Oh my heart, Okay, there are like three things that 147 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.160 you just said there that just like destroyed me already. 148 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.279 Yeah. Why, well, the whole like the. 149 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.800 One little girl with her puppets and the other one 150 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.639 picking dandelion flowers, and the fact that this is Mother's Day? 151 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:40.160 Are you shitting me right now? 152 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:41.560 No? Dead serious? 153 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.839 Oh gosh, Okay, Okay, we're in for it here. 154 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.279 Okay, you're gonna be able to hold it together? Are 155 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:51.240 you gonna just rage? 156 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.959 Probably? I'll probably rage. Yeah, I'm not gonna make any 157 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:56.399 promises right now, all right. 158 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.800 Well, when the families realized that their kids weren't just 159 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.480 late for dinner and that something else must seriously be wrong, 160 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:08.600 they immediately contacted the authorities. A massive search was launched 161 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.279 that night, with law enforcement and the community members scouring 162 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.040 the area, hoping to find any trace of the girls 163 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:19.279 Laura and Crystal. As dawn broke on May ninth, there 164 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.240 was still no sign of the two of them, but 165 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:25.839 hope remained strong and the search efforts intensified. The search 166 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:29.279 continued and Laura's father with Laura's grandfather were searching for 167 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.240 the two girls on a bike path in a wooded 168 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.600 area of Bellula Park nature area, which was very close 169 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.440 to Laura's home, when all of a sudden, down by 170 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:42.039 a ravine, they spotted Laura's bike in the bushes. The 171 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.320 two men immediately ran down the ravine and that's when 172 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.600 they made the gruesome discovery. There they were both girls 173 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.519 laying dead side by side. They had been beaten and 174 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:55.919 stabbed to death. 175 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.240 Oh my gosh. 176 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.639 I can't imagine making that discovery as a father or 177 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.360 grandfather or a parent or at all. 178 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.519 I know, you'd almost like hope that it would be 179 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.320 the authorities that would come across that, because that is 180 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:14.080 just like gut wrenching. Yeah, oh man, And here you okay, 181 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:16.799 you see their bike. So I'm like, at first you're 182 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.039 probably thinking, oh, like they just fell down this or whatever, 183 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.480 like they're just probably hurt. Like you gotta go help them. 184 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:24.960 Yeah, there's that twinge of hope. 185 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.960 Hope, yeah, and then it just like gets just smashed. 186 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.679 Yeah. Autopsies would later reveal that their killer was ruthless. 187 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.639 In the attack on the girls, Laura had been stabbed 188 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.600 a total of eleven times and Crystal a total of twenty. 189 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:45.320 Though Laura was stabbed less, she was unfortunately the one 190 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.320 to be raped by the perpetrator as well, which is 191 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.440 how the DNA was ultimately collected at the scene. 192 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:57.039 Good God, holy shit, what kind of absolute like piece 193 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.720 of shit like these The girls are in grade two. 194 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.200 This is unreal, like unreal. 195 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.759 I know, it's super fucked up now. Witness soon came 196 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.679 forward and told the authorities that they remembered seeing both 197 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.720 Laura and Crystal riding bikes with someone else that evening. 198 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.679 It was a local sixteen year old boy by the 199 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:20.360 name of Jorge Eliva Torres or George. Authorities quickly followed 200 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.600 up with that lead and they were given or sorry 201 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:25.480 with the lead that they were given, and they questioned 202 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.000 George about it. George was familiar with Laura. He was 203 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.639 actually friends with her older brother. In fact, according to him, 204 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.200 he considered her to be like kind of like a 205 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:38.759 little sister. But when investigators questioned him, George simply denied 206 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:42.200 knowing anything about the girl's disappearance or what happened to them. 207 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.360 It seems like due to his young age his connection 208 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.799 to Laura's family, authorities didn't really view him as a 209 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:51.000 likely suspect or someone who was capable of committing such 210 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:54.080 a crime, so they quickly brushed his name off and 211 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:55.759 his name was cleared of any involvement. 212 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:56.840 Wow. 213 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:03.840 Instead, investigators began focusing on Laura's father. Oh, thirty four 214 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.399 year old Jerry Hobbes. 215 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:13.080 No, I was not expecting this. Holy shit. 216 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:17.720 See, Jerry had a criminal past which included convictions for 217 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.279 assaults and resisting arrest dating back to the nineteen nineties 218 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.080 in Texas. In two thousand and one, he was arrested 219 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.960 again after threatening and chasing a neighbor with a chainsaw, 220 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.399 which led to a two year prison sentence. 221 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:31.759 That's fine, Maybe the neighbor was a dick. 222 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:36.039 Maybe maybe he deserved it right. Yeah, but Jerry had 223 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.519 only been out of prison for about a month before 224 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:39.840 his daughter was murdered. 225 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:47.000 Oh no, okay, and sorry, is he the one that 226 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:49.039 found them? 227 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.360 I believe so? Yes? 228 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:56.240 Oh, which also is like, you know, not great, no, 229 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:58.840 oh no, okay. 230 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.559 So imagine fine, your daughter in that state. 231 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:08.919 And then literally being accused of that. M hmm. Wow. 232 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.799 This is a doozy, Ben Well, doozy one. 233 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.240 Buckle up for this because after the discovery of the 234 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:19.480 two girls, after the discovery of Jerry's daughter, Jerry was 235 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.399 immediately brought in for questioning, and over the next twenty 236 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:28.919 four hours of questioning, he was subject to intense interrogation 237 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.600 and as a result of all the pressure he endured, 238 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.879 by the end, Jerry confessed to the murders and signed 239 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:43.159 a police statement. Oh no, which shifted the focus even 240 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:44.600 farther away from George. 241 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:50.200 Uh huh huh okay. And the fact that, like George 242 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.440 was friends with the brother is very very disturbing to me. 243 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.120 Yeah, and I don't know to what degree on how 244 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.600 much he was friends because he was a little bit 245 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.360 of a an odd ball described when he was younger, 246 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.440 like he's like he didn't quite fit in with everyone, 247 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.519 but he was friends enough to at least be acquainted 248 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:12.000 with with his younger sister, right and say, it's like 249 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:13.799 she's like a little sister to meet. 250 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:15.480 And she would have like trusted him. 251 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:19.240 Yeah, especially considering they were it was seen that they 252 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:20.840 were riding bikes with him that evening. 253 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:25.919 Yeah, and also like you hear about that with interrogation, 254 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:29.200 hey after I mean, because I can only imagine just 255 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.600 like how I don't know, just fucked up you are 256 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:34.480 after twenty four hours of that, right? 257 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.200 Yeah. 258 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.919 Oh so the fact that he actually just signed it, though, 259 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:43.679 that is something they obviously really did something to him. 260 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:44.559 Hey, definitely. 261 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:45.519 Now. 262 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.440 The story of a convicted felon murdering his daughter and 263 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.320 her friend outraged the community, and the prosecutor was quick 264 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.440 to announce plans to seek the death penalty against Jerry Hobbes. 265 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.799 Jerry did try to recant his confession, but it was 266 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.679 too too late. His sentence had already been recorded and 267 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:04.240 the legal wheels were in motion. 268 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.360 Ben, does he get does he get killed? I have 269 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.440 like literally like goosebumps right now? Can you see that? Yeah? 270 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:17.720 I can Holy shit, you're not gonna say yet. 271 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:19.120 I can't say yet. 272 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.120 Oh my gosh, Okay, this is too much. This is 273 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:23.919 too much for first thing in the fucking morning. 274 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.320 Well, authorities took the semen sample that was found at 275 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.399 the crime scene for analysis, and in two thousand and 276 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:33.879 eight three years later. Not sure why it took so 277 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.360 fucking long, but the DNA results came back and the 278 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:43.799 DNA did not match Jerry. Despite this revelation, though Jerry 279 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.240 was not released. Authorities argued that while the DNA wasn't his, 280 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.679 it didn't necessity didn't necessity that didn't nessess, I can't 281 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:57.639 say the word necessarily didn't necessarily exclude him from participating 282 00:14:57.679 --> 00:14:59.960 in the crime or murdering the girl. 283 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:02.759 So just saying that he had an accomplished or. 284 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.000 Something, yeah, saying that he hasn't accomplished or someone else 285 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.440 did that part, which is fucked up though because it 286 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.320 as fucked they don't have a single shred of evidence. 287 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:12.799 No what I mean, Like he did admit it though, 288 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:13.159 kind of. 289 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.399 Right, other than the confession, you're right, yere, Yeah. So 290 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.639 Jerry remained behind bars for five long years awaiting his 291 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.080 death penalty trial. His legal team fought fiercely to appeal 292 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.200 the case, but little progress was made, so he was 293 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.720 imprisoned in two thousand and five. He was imprisoned for 294 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.879 five years. This leads us to twenty ten, when George's 295 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.799 DNA was entered into the national database after his arrest 296 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.279 for the string of violence and the assaults in Arlington, Virginia. 297 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.279 Investigators were stunned when his DNA matched the sample found 298 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.480 at the scene of Laura and Crystal's murder. M h. 299 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.200 It was a shocking breakthrough, to say the least, especially 300 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.919 when they realized that George had already been questioned back 301 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:59.440 in two thousand and five regarding it originally and was 302 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.159 in fact the last person seen with the girls before 303 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:02.879 they had vanished. 304 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.080 Like, they could have easily got a DNA sample from 305 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.600 him at that time, right, Like. 306 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.080 I don't maybe they would have to probably get a 307 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:12.840 warrant for it, and. 308 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.440 I'm not sure how that they would have had enough, Yeah. 309 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:16.960 And I'm not sure the process of getting it, Like, 310 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.799 you know, I don't know they would have had to 311 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.000 get a warrant to get his DNA, But did they 312 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.679 have enough? Yeah, Now, I mean he was the last 313 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.440 one seen, so maybe that would be enough. Now, his 314 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:32.360 authorities dug deeper into George's past, they uncovered another troubling detail. 315 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.320 In two thousand and five, at just sixteen years old, 316 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:38.440 same year that these two girls were murdered. They found 317 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.000 that George had tied up and held a female friend 318 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:46.279 captive in his home, though she managed to escape. With 319 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.279 this new information, police began to realize just how deep 320 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:52.720 George's violent tendencies. 321 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.519 Ran, and there was no consequences for him tying up someone. 322 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.559 No, I don't believe any charges were pressed or anything 323 00:16:59.600 --> 00:16:59.919 like that. 324 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.880 Goodness, gracious, was that before or after this? Like a 325 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:06.119 little girl murder? 326 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:07.759 I'm actually unsure. 327 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:12.559 Huh, Okay, this is just a gut wrenching that the 328 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:17.200 father had to stay in jail for five years. Well, 329 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.000 I mean, I don't know. You haven't said if he's 330 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.440 out yet, so I'll keep listening. But goodness. 331 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.720 Well. On June twenty seventh, investigators brought Georgie in for 332 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:28.200 questioning about the murders of Laura and Crystal. As expected, 333 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:33.079 he denied any involvement, maintaining that he's innocent, right, But 334 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:36.640 with the DNA match, his denials were honestly futile. He 335 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.960 was caught at this point, and George now sat in 336 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:42.359 jail awaiting trial for the brutal killings. 337 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:44.799 Oh, the rage I have towards this person. 338 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.519 Yeah. Now, I'm unsure exactly when Jerry was let out 339 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.519 of prison for these crimes. But I'll save you the 340 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.319 suspense he was let out of prison. He was, he 341 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:58.079 did have his name cleared, but we will touch on 342 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:02.160 that at the end. Okay, However, George's crimes didn't actually 343 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.039 stop there. While in custody, sitting behind bars, he tried 344 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.680 to orchestrate a plan to have the Arlington, Virginia victims 345 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.359 that he previously attacked murdered. 346 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.720 What the shit, Yeah, this case, it just keeps going. 347 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:20.279 Oh, it keeps going, trust me. 348 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.720 Like I'm literally like, there can't be anything else and 349 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:23.720 it just keeps going. 350 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.279 Oh, it keeps going, trust me. So, while in prison, 351 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.359 George found a connection willing to carry out his twisted 352 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:34.400 plan to silence his victims. His goal was to eliminate them. 353 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.079 That way, they couldn't testify against him, right, they couldn't 354 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.680 appear in court. So George even went as far as 355 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.440 to draw this individual that he connected to a detailed 356 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.279 map of one of the victims houses, the one that 357 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.359 he had already been in from memory from the night 358 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.640 of his attack. So he drew him a map, being like, yeah, 359 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.119 here's a layout of their house, Like you can go 360 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:52.759 in and do this or this or whatever you want. 361 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.039 But he is actually dumb though, Oh. 362 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:00.920 He yes, he is as dumb as the Just like 363 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.960 you said, this case keeps going. Yeah, his dumbness level 364 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.079 keeps going to It's impressive actually, because there's just. 365 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.920 I don't know, Okay, so say, I don't know if 366 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:13.920 this plan works or whatever, but each victim is killed, 367 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.559 Like I'm sorry, but it's you're not gonna look innocent 368 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.240 in that, right, There's just no way I know. 369 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:23.880 Now, the identity of the person that George initially planned 370 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.759 the murders with remains unclear, but the police did get 371 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.720 wind of his scheme, so in response, they planted a 372 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.160 jail house informant won by the name of Osama el Atari. 373 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.160 Now this was a man serving time for defrauding banks 374 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.119 of allegedly fifty three million dollars. 375 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:40.640 Wow. 376 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.480 Yeah, So now, according to reports, Osama was eager to 377 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:47.480 do anything to reduce his sentence in prison, making him 378 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.000 the perfect candidate to get close to George. And you know, hey, 379 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:52.000 maybe where wire? 380 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.079 Oh they actually used Okay for some reason, I just 381 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.319 thought you were telling us the story of like an undercover, 382 00:19:58.480 --> 00:19:59.920 but he's actually a criminal. 383 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.440 No, they're like, if you like, if you're in prison, 384 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.160 you're an actual criminal. If you inform for us. If 385 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.759 you like work with us, we'll reduce your sentence. 386 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:09.880 Okay, okay, yeah. 387 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.559 So in August of twenty ten, Osama befriended George, and, 388 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.680 wearing a wire, he secretly recorded their conversations. Over time, 389 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.480 George opened up confessing in chilling detail to the murders 390 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.079 of Laura and Crystal. His accounts of the crime matched 391 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:31.680 the autopsy findings precisely, although he stopped short of admitting 392 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:35.000 that the sexual assault, which isn't exactly surprising, as we 393 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.519 all know what happens to people like that in prison regardless. 394 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:42.599 During the recorded conversations, George also revealed his reaction to 395 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.079 the wrongful imprisonment of Laura's father, Jerry Hobbes for the murders. 396 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:51.160 He said, and I quote, damn, I'm clean, I'm good. 397 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:53.400 I ain't got shit to worry about. 398 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.559 Oh my gosh, wow like that. I don't know the 399 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:01.559 fact that you would just have like, no, well, no, 400 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:04.119 it's not surprising actually that he has no remorse over 401 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:04.759