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Speaker 1: M a wall street line, shackle change, Oh someome girdie,

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it's calling my name. There is nu mercy and it's

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been a tentery juice as the huge stream game Rango three.

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Speaker 2: Come in by me or die inside these walls, inside

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the wild and went no girls.

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Speaker 3: I Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bloody Angola, a podcast

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one and forty two years in the making, the complete

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story of America's Bloody is President. I'm your host, Jim Chapman,

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and today I am bringing you the story of a

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man incarcerated in Louisiana State Penitentiary to this day that

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was convicted in the oldest cold case in history in

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which someone was convicted in this currently time, and that

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is serial killer Felix Veil. So in order to tell

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you this one, we're gonna have to go through this

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guy's entire life, which is absolute insanity from the beginning.

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So I'm going to take you way back to August

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nineteenth of nineteen thirty nine, and Felix Vale was born

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in the town of Montpelier, Mississippi. Now his young life,

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not a ton is known about it. He grew up

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on a farm, hardworking people, and he appeared to be hardworking,

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although his high school classmates and things like that say

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he was pretty wild. Now, in nineteen fifty seven, Felix

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moves to Sulfur, Louisiana, where he goes to work at

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a chemical plan. Now he's only eighteen years old at

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this point, but it's a different in history. Right by

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the time you're eighteen, most people are married, but everybody works,

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and he was doing just that, working at a chemical plant.

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And it's also at this point that he receives his

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high school diploma in Sulfur. So four years later, he

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marries Mary Horton in Eunice, Louisiana. This is on July

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first of nineteen sixty one. Now, let me tell you

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a little bit about Mary. She was a native of Unice, Louisiana.

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She was the middle child in her family. She had

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both an older and a younger brother. They were very

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protective of her. And Mary was beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, young lady,

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very popular. She was the homecoming queen in her high school,

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and she even won what was known as the tri

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Parish Beauty Pet, which was a big deal in that time.

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Mary graduates high school and she goes on to college

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following in her mother's footsteps, and that was McNee State University,

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and she wanted to be a teacher. Her mother was

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a teacher, and she joins ki Omega Sorority and her

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sorority sisters they described her as someone that could get

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pretty much any guy she wanted. She had the pick

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of the letter. Every guy was in love with her.

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I'm telling you, this lady was just a beautiful young lady.

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But it was Felix Veil who really won her over.

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And many people who knew Felix Veil during this time

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they described him as a lady's man, and he was

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a handsome man, very handsome man, hard working, seemed to

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have his life together, etc. At least that was the

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front that he put on. She's smitten, right. Mary is

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totally head over heels in love with Felix Veil, and

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within a year of meeting him, they were already engaged.

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Now her family, let's just say that they were less

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than excited about this. They didn't really know Felix from Adam.

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He was a guy that she was dating. He rarely

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came around them, so they weren't exactly pumped when she

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came up to them. Hey, we're getting engaged. As a

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matter of fact, her mother asked Mary's older brother, whose

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name was Alan, to write Mary a letter asking her

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to wait a little longer and get to know Felix

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a little better before she actually committed to be married

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to him. Mary looked up to her older brother Alan,

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so her mom thought that may have some effect. But

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this girl, she was in love with Felix and that's

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all there was to it. So despite those concerns, in

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July of nineteen sixty one, she would marry Felix, and

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within a year of getting married, they welcomed their first child, Bill,

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into the world. And Mary, as you may expect, she

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was an amazing mother by all accounts. She just loved

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Bill with her entire heart and soul. Everybody described her

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as the prototypical mother. But also around this time, her

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marriage to Felix was not so good. She loved being

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a mother and she wanted another child, and Felix was

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totally against this. He did not want her having another child,

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and they thought about it constantly. So Mary goes to

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her mother and she says, hey, look, I'm divorcing Felix.

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But this is a different time. It's the early sixties

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and in those days, you didn't just divorce like they

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do today. Divorce back then during that time had a

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major stigmatism tied to it, and when children were involved.

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When you had kids, that made it ten times worse.

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You were almost looked at as the scarlet letter if

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you had kids and you divorced your husband, even if

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it was a horrible marriage. So, although they couldn't stand Felix,

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her family and especially her mother, encouraged her to stick

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it out with Felix. They felt like it would be

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better for the child. So she had that conversation with

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her mom in just a couple of months after her

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mother spoke to her about that Mary would be dead.

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So let me tell you what happened. On October twenty

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eighth of nineteen sixty two, Felix he calls the police

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and he tells them a fishing story of swords. Now

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on his account, he says that he and Mary they

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go triteline fishing in the Calkashu River. It was a

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night and according to Felix, while they were going down

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the river, he heard her say, watch out, there's a stump,

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and he jerked the boat wheel to avoid that stump

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and she fell overboard. Now, he implied that she may

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have hit her head on that stump, but for whatever reason,

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she never surfaced. Now, his whole story would change years later,

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but for now, this is what he was saying. Now.

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Right away, her family knew something didn't smell right, something

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was wrong with that story. First of all, Mary was

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afraid of the water. They said it would be near

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impossible to even get her to agree to go on

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a boat, and even if she agreed to do that,

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there was no way she would agree to go on

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a boat at night, and definitely no way she wouldn't

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have been wearing a life vest had she done all

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of the things I just told you. And they gave

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the reason for this as an incident she had in

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high school where she was on a boat pier and

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the wood on the boat pier was written in a

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spot and she actually fell through the boat pier and

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almost drowned in the water and was just totally afraid

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of the water ever since. So on October twenty eighth,

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when Mary is reported as having fell in the river,

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the police they do what you would think they would do.

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the general public gets involved, and two days later they

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find Mary's body in the Calcashu River. So next an

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autopsy is performed and some strange things are discovered. First,

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she had no water in her lungs. Now, when you drown,

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as you can imagine, you take that last breath, right,

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you're underwater, you're drowning and you and all you suck

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up is water, so you swallow that water and then

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you die. And if she did not have water in

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her lungs, that would be a pretty heavy indication that

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she died somewhere else and was done in the river.

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And second, the autopsy report also noted a very large

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bruise on the back of her head and extended all

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the way down to her neck. And it noted she

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also had a very large scarf and it was shoved

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four inches down in her mouth and that's a lot.

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That's like halfway down your throat.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: She also had scratches on her body which appeared as

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if she had been dragged and it formed those scratches.

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Now that's a ton of evidence, right. Well, the police

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they felt like it was evidence, but didn't feel like

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it was enough, but they did go ahead and arrest

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Felix veil. So he goes down to the station and

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they asked him, hey, you want to take a polygraph,

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and surprisingly he agrees, and while they were in the

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process of kind of getting all that set up calling

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a polygrapher to come in and perform the polygraph, he

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just walks out of the police station. Now, technically they

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didn't have enough to hold him, so there wasn't really

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a way to now arrest him. He was free to

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leave whenever he wanted. They really took him down there

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for questioning, so when he left, they couldn't like go

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arrest him again. They just didn't have enough to hold him.

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But they did track him down and they said, hey,

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you forgot to take your polygraph, and he said, eh,

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that except for continue to investigate the case. So shortly

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after all this occurs, Felix he becomes almost shunned in

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the town that he was living in. Everybody knew about this,

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it was high profile.

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Speaker 4: This shit just didn't happen in those days, and he

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wanted to get out of there, so he moves back

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to Mottpeelier, Mississippi with his young son Bill.

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Speaker 3: Not much of note really occurs over the next couple

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of years. The case remains unsolved, right, and in nineteen

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sixty five, Felix moves again, this time to San Diego, California.

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He actually had a younger brother who was stationed at

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Navy boot camp there, but he didn't take Bill with him.

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He left Bill with his parents to kind of raise

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him when he went to San Diego. And it's at

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this point that Felix starts working for a doctor conducting

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cardiovascular research, and he starts taking college courses at night.

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He's trying to get his life together, right. So in

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nineteen sixty six, he goes back to Mississippi and retrieves Bill,

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and he actually said the reason for him doing that

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was that Bill was getting spoiled by his parents and

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he felt like he wanted to save Bill from getting spoiled.

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and be able to survive in life. They were just

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babying him too much. So he goes gets Bill and

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goes back to San Diego and they move into an

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apartment together. Then in nineteen sixty seven, he meets Robin

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Sinclair at a bus stop. Now, she was seventeen years

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old at the time and a typical flower child of

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the late sixties early seventies, right, the whole piece in

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love era and hitch hiking and smoking dope and you know,

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just life is gummy bears at that point, I guess

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you could say. And they start dating over that summer.

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But once that summer ended, Robin she goes back to

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San Francisco where she lived. She goes back home, and

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that summer romance was pretty much over, but not for long.

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In nineteen sixty eight, they actually reunite after they run

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into each other to concert, and they fall in love

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and they spend twenty four to seven together, and Robin

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described that as it was pretty much twenty four to

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seven smoking weed and just living off the land and

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you know, hippie type stuff. But she ends up pregnant

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during this time, and she tells Vail about her pregnancy.

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The very next day, Veil and his son disappear out

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of her life, which would probably be the best thing

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for her. As we go along, Then in nineteen sixty nine,

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Veil meets an absolutely beautiful woman by the name of

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Sharon Hensley in San Francisco, and she's twenty one years old.

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They start dating and Bill, who is eight years old

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at this time, Felix Veil's son. One night, he overhears

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his dad Felix tell Sharon Hensley that he killed Mary.

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old Bill he sneaks out and he walks several miles

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to a police station and he tells the police about

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the confession and that his dad does drugs. He tacked

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that onto the story as well. So imagine if you're

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the police, this eight year old kid comes in. He says, Hey,

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my dad killed my mom. By the way, I'm eight

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years old and I walked here miles. But my dad

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killed my mom. I heard him say it, and he

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does drugs twenty four to seven. So the police probably

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bought the second thing more than the first thing, if

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you will. But they do go to where Felix was

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due to the amount of drugs that they found in

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that apartment, they arrest him. So they got a trial

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on that drug case and they'll receives a six month

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jail sentence, plus he gets three years probation. After pleading

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guilty to a lesser charge of LSD possession. LSD during

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that time everywhere totally prevalent. Everybody was doing it, and

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likely that's why LSD was a lesser charge. As far

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as the murder confession, I mean, this was the word

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of an eight year old. It wasn't enough to arrest

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Veil for murder. They did ask him about it and

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he said, I mean, come on, my son's eight years old.

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out with his dad had ended by this point, obviously,

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as things would go down, and he returns to Mississippi

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to live with his grandparents while Veil was in jail,

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and during that time, his grandparents actually gained full custody.

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gets out of jail, and they're still dating. They're still

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in love, right, and he decided he wants to go

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see Bill now that he's out of jail. And on

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January twenty third of nineteen seventy one, Felix Veil and

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Sharon Hensley show up in the driveway of Felix Vale's

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parents' house to go see Bill, and he said he

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stood there frozen wondering where he could run. He said,

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he really thought my dad was going to kill me.

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Then he said, my grandmother came back out and reassured

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me that he wasn't going to kill me. So Veil's

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family they question Felix and Sharon as to how they

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could even legally be in Mississippi. You know, they're thinking,

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y'all are on parole. You're not supposed to leave California

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while you're serving your probation time. And he says, well,

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we're not. I used to legally be here. We just

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left California. So comes to the house they stay the night.

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The next day the sheriff arrives because California, the parole

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officer there realizes that Vale is gone. He calls Mississippi

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and says, go check his parents' house, and sure enough,

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Vail's parents say, well, he ain't here. We ain't seen him.

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You know, they're not going to turn him in, but

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he was there, and four days later, Felix, Veil, and

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Sharon they duck down in the floorboard of a vehicle

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and his family actually drives him to a bus station

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in Granada, Mississippi, him and Charon, and they give him

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you know, one hundred bucks and basically say go back

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to California. So that's just what they did. And in

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the summer of nineteen seventy two, Sharon appeared unannounced with

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Veil at her home in Bismarck, North Dakota, and they

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basically hitchhiked there. They were living the hippie life right,

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just smacking weed and playing in fields, whatever they did

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back then when they were hippies. And the more the

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family witnessed when they got to North Dakota, the more

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kind of horrified they became. Sharon was not the same

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Sharon that they knew prior to Felix Veil. She was

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very conservative before she met Felix Vale, but now she

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wears many skirts with no panties. Her brother said she

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had armpit hair and leg hair like a man, and

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he said, I thought she was freaking way out. She

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had also lost a lot of weight and with it

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some of her curves. She just looked very skinny, like

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drug skinny, like you're doing heroin all the time skinny.

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He went on to say she seemed brainwashed. You could

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just tell she was not the same person that this

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guy was controlling everything she was saying. If someone asked

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her a question, Felix would answer the question for her,

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or she would look at Felix while she was giving

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the answer. And the brother even recalled going one day

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with Vail to the Elks Club, which was a big

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club back in those days all over the United States.

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Sharon's father he was a member of that local Elks

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Club and they had a workout room in there, and

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he said, Felix just out of the blue, gets totally

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naked and starts exercising, but ass naked. Then he walks

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in the steam room naked, and these older gentlemen they

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freak out because here he was this hippie looking guy

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and he's walking around the Oaks club balls swinging right.

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So they basically say, you can't hang out here anymore

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like this, and the couple they leave and they go

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back to Mississippi, and they go back to Montpelier and

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they stay with VAL's family on their dairy form. But

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even there they were very kind of promiscuous. They always

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sunbathed completely nude, and neighbors would see this and they

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would be like, what is the deal with your son

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and his girlfriend, so it was embarrassing to his parents.

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Now back at Sharon's home in Bismarck, North Dakota, her

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parents hadn't heard from Sharon since they left. But in

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nineteen seventy two, Sharon calls her mother and she says

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that her and Veil they're going to head to New Orleans.

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They're gonna hang out there for a while, and then

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they're gonna go to Florida and they're gonna make pornographic films.

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That's something you want to hear from your daughter, right,

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Just different time, y'all. But and she was out of

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control obviously, and she is hanging with the wrong cat.

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As we will get into later, Vail and Sharon they

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do just that. They go to New Orleans and Sharon

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Hensley she works as a table dancer at a strip club,

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something Val said later on that she had done before.

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This wasn't her first time being an exotic dancer. She

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worked in sam Bernardino, California, and Albuquerque, New Mexico as

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an exotic dancer, according to him, and Val even said

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guys would give her one hundred dollars to dance on

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the table, a lot of money back then, rather than

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go to the next table, they would give her another

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one hundred dollars, and he said that she would make

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sometimes one thousand dollars a night, big time money back

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in the early seventies for sure. So in February of

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nineteen seventy three, Sharon calls her family again and she

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says that her and Vale have travel plans. They're going

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to travel to South America. And that was the last

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phone conversation any family or friends ever had with her. Again,

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they did receive a letter from Sharon, and the letter

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contained a picture, and the picture showed her holding a

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pen and she was sitting at a table at the

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home of Vale's parents, and it was polaroid pictures. Back then, y'all,

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they didn't have cell phones. It was enstematic polaroid pictures.

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And she had wrote on that polaroid making travel notes.

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I actually have that picture and I'll post that on

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the Patreon for the Patreon members. Sadly, that was the

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last time Sharon's family ever heard from Sharon period Now,

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in nineteen seventy four, Sharon's family received a letter from Vail,

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and in that letter, he told their family that Sharon

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had met a couple from Australia and she was traveling

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around the world on a sailboat with him, and he

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basically says, they invited me along, but hey, I got

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too much shit going on here, so I told them,

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y'all and Sharon can just go traveling around the world

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on your sailboat. I got too much to take care of.

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This is his story. But again, Sharon had not been

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seen or heard from by anyone since nineteen seventy three

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to this day. So let's get into nineteen seventy five

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in Felix falls in love again. This time he marries

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a teenager by the name of Sharon Campbell. But that

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marriage only lasted a couple of days. So what happened

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in this one? The teacher one night she gets into

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Felix's car, and she stated that she saw three surgical

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saws in the back seat. You know, the surgical saws

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that you used to cut bone. She sees those in

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the back seat of that car, and as it would

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freak out likely anyone, it freaked her out so bad

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in fact, that the next day she left the marriage

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and never saw Felix veil again. She did note that

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the marriage was never consummated, so fast forward to nineteen

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seventy seven and yet another marriage for Felix, this time

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to a lady named Carolyn. So they get married in

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sam Bernardino, California, and just a few months later, while

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Veila is still married, he meets another woman and her

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name is Alexandria Christiansen, and she said, this is her quote,

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the man had the most gorgeous blue eyes I had

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ever seen in my life, and he seduced me without

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much trouble. Now, according to her, the two of them

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they fall in love over one night. Basically, they traveled

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to Mexico, he gets a quickie divorce, as she described it,

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and the two get married the same day. It's the seventies,

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so after a night at a San Diego hotel, they

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spend the next day at the San Diego Zoo and

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the marriage it continues, but throughout a short period of time,

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she starts to hear that Veil is cheating on her,

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so she kicks him out of the house and they're

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gonna get a divorce, right But during that time of separation,

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Veil he wrecks his motorcycle and he calls her and

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he's got a sob story that he needs her to

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help him recuperate, right, So she says, okay, you can

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come to my condo and Costa Messa and you can

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recuperate here. At some point, she confronts him again about

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all this cheating, you know, and this is why we're separated, right,

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And he gets agitated and he starts talking about his

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first wife. And during this argument, he says, you know

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my first wife died, right, and she tells him, yeah,

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she died in a bating accident. Told me about that.

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You told me she drowned, and she said. He replied,

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I could have saved her, but I chose not to.

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So yet another half assed confession from Vel. Well, that statement,

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it kind of freaks her out, as you would imagine,

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so she tells, well, look, you gotta go now. You're

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telling me you killed you ex wife. And in an

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effort to kind of calm herself down, she says, I

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started running the shower and I was going to take

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a shower, just a long, hot shower, to calm down.

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But while in the shower, Vell throws open the shower

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door and she said, the next thing I know, his

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hands are around my neck and I was screaming, and

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my kid brother, who was living with us. He came

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in running. He grabs Felix and knocks him to the ground.

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That kind of freaked Felix Vail out and he leaves Christiansen.

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She later discovers she was pregnant, but she did say

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that the baby arrived still born. So throughout the next

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few years life it's pretty uneventful for Veil, that is

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until August of nineteen eighty one, when he met a

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fifteen year old at a yard sail in Houston, Texas

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by the name of a net craver. So to tell

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you a little bit about a net craver, when he

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meets her at this yard sale, she's just fifteen years old,

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and also around the age of fifteen, her father is

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killed in a car crash and that leaves her mother,

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Mary Rose, and herself alone, and it took a big

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toll on her. Now. Prior to her father's passing in

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that car accident, they were a well to do family,

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kind of upper middle class, and her dad had a

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great job and he had a lot of life insurance

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which was left to a net craver. But she loved

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her daddy and she was very depressed over this. She

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began to withdraw from friends, and it was really apparent

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to anyone who knew her that she was very, very depressed.

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So the yard cell happens, and at that yard cell,

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Felix Veil shows up, who at this time is forty,

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which incidentally was close in age as her newly deceased father.

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So they start talking. Now, around this time, her mother

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gets a job, a really good job in Oklahoma offer

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she can't turn down right, but a neck craver. She's

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very smart, so smart in fact, that she skipped a

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couple of grades in high school. So even though she

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was fifteen, she was about to graduate, she just had

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a year left, and her mother did not want to

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uproot her, considering all the changes she had already had

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in her life with her dad passing and everything else.

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So her mother had a good friend and she said, hey,

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can a Nette stay with you until she graduates and

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I can get my feet underneath me with this new

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job and buy a house. The friend agrees, and looking

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back on this now, of course, her mom knows that

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was a huge mistake because what her mom did not

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know that was while she was away in Oklahoma, a

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Nette had started a full blown relationship with Felix Veil.

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So over the next year, Annette suddenly disappears with Veil.

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She would write her mom letters, but always from a

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different place, and it was two years later before her

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mom gets a phone call from her daughter. At this time,

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her daughter is seventeen and she is asking for her

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mom's approval to marry Vale. And the reason is she

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had to have the approval. She was only seventeen and

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wherever they were living, you had to be eighteen to

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get married, and without her mom signing off on that,

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she couldn't get married. So her mother, you know, first

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reaction is, fuck, no, I'm not going to sign that.

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But she knew one thing. If I don't, I'm going

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to lose my daughter forever. And so she reluctantly decides

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she's going to go ahead and improve it. As you

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may expect, it's doomed from the start between these two.

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Felix in a Net. At some point during the marriage,

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a Net becomes pregnant, but Veil, who you know, doesn't

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like kids, right, he forces her to have an abortion.

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He's very controlling, as you would expect, And all of

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this before this poor girl turns eighteen. So eventually even

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an eighteen year old could figure it out, and she

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leaves Felix at one point and goes to live with

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her mother. Now it's important to note at this point

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this young lady had a trust account when she turned

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eighteen years old. She had a lot of money coming

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to her, and her and her mother they get this

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house together, and I'm telling you that for a reason

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that will come up later on. But eventually Felix tracks

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her down and he starts calling a net over over

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and over again, and her mother would answer the phone

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and say, fuck you, you're not seeing her leave us alone,

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all those sorts of things, but Felix, he wouldn't stop.

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Then one day Felix shows up at their house and

476
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he just barges in the door. He wants to see

477
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a net. She comes down, I'll talk to him, that

478
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kind of thing, and it starts up again with Felix

479
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,960
in a net, and he just had this control over her,

480
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,599
this mind control, And somehow Felix convinces us our, hey,

481
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you need to kick your mom out of the house.

482
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,840
She's causing problems with us. He totally manipulates it, and

483
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she does a net, kicks her mom out of the house,

484
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and you may say, well, how can she do that?

485
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The house is half her mother's in half hers. Well,

486
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she just puts so much pressure on her and made

487
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,400
her feel so uncomfortable that her mom was like, fuck it,

488
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I'll leave. She leaves, moves to California, and a Net

489
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at this time had just turned eighteen. She inherits her

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00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,880
dad's life insurance policies, which totaled one hundred thousand dollars,

491
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which in today's money is about a half a million dollars,

492
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and she also inherits two homes that he had. And

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Felix at this point has total control over this eighteen

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year old girl, and he convinces her to transfer everything,

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including the house deeds, into his name. And then her

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mother doesn't hear from her for a long time. She

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tries to call her, she writes her letters, nothing's being

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00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,119
responded to. As matter of fact, she figures out she's missing.

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Nobody's seeing her. So on October twenty second of nineteen eighty,

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her mother reports her missing and the police. They go

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pay a visit to Felix Veil, who said that the

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last time he knew of her whereabouts, she was bored

503
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in a bus in Saint Louis and she was going

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to go to Mexico. He stated this occurred in September

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of nineteen eighty four. So Felix tells the police that

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she suffered from mental illness and left on her own accord.

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He didn't tell her to leave, it was her idea

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to leave. And although the police didn't exactly buy this story,

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primarily because one of the things is he said he

510
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brought it to a bus station that didn't exist. That

511
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would be a clue, but they didn't really have anything

512
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,559
to go off of, no evidence of foul play whatsoever.

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So in December of nineteen eighty four, Felix files for

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divorce and he cites irreconcible differences and marriage desertion. And

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they asked him about the cash that she had. She

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apparently had a lot of cash from her dad's trust funds,

517
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,519
some fifty thousand dollars in cash, and he said, hey,

518
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,440
she took that with her. I don't have any of

519
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,639
that cash. Bullshit. I'm calling bullshit on that. They also

520
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,199
asked about her belongings and her clothing and he said, hey,

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I gave all that to the Salvation Army. She left

522
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,280
me and said she wasn't coming back and getting it.

523
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:31,519
She didn't want it, so I gave it to the

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Salvation Army. At this point, Felix's first wife dies under

525
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:45,239
very strange circumstances. Then his longtime girlfriend disappears, supposedly going

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to sail around the world with another couple on a

527
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,519
boat and is never heard from again. And then another wife,

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she leaves him because he tries to choke her to

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death in the shower. And now his most recent wife

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disappears without a trace. You see a pattern here, three women,

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all with only one thing in common, and that was

532
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Felix veil So Rose she was actively searching for her

533
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:26,960
daughter a Net still, even though nobody really outside of

534
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,519
her was, and she started contacting anyone who knew a

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00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,800
Net or Felix and asking if they had information. She

536
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hired private detectives, and it was during that process that

537
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:47,239
she finds out about Mary's death and Hensley's disappearance. So

538
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Felix he finds out she's kind of digging right, and

539
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,679
he writes Rose a letter and accuses her of slandering him.

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And in that letter he said that Annette had emotional problems,

541
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I mean from roses bad parenting, so he's going to gaslighter, right,

542
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:08,760
it's all your fault. And he also called a net

543
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a zero image whore, whatever that means, and said he

544
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,440
wouldn't reveal where she was even if he knew where

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00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,639
she was. So in September of nineteen eighty five, almost

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a year after Annette's disappearance, Felix told her mother that

547
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:32,679
a Net contacted him and said she was traveling with

548
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,960
two men among the natives in the jungle and they

549
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:44,760
had a baby. This guy can spend some stories, right,

550
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,719
one person takes off and they're going to sail around

551
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,880
the world with a couple. Now he's got another one

552
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that's living in the jungle with the natives and had

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a baby. He also made claims later on that in

554
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,320
either nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty seven, he went

555
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to Mexico to search for a NET, but his passport

556
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,840
never showed any evidence of a trup to Mexico because

557
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,840
people would ask him when you ain't went and looked

558
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,480
for He also claimed he had repeated contact with a

559
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,239
Net since her disappearance, but he was never able to

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00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,280
produce any evidence of ever talking to her or having

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00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,159
letters of her that she wrote to him. Look, Felix

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Vale also kept a diary throughout the nineteen eighties and

563
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,920
police went through that entire diary and there was never

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any mention of him having heard from a net. So

565
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,719
it was a freaking lie, right, So the FBI they

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start investigating Felix as a possible serial killer in nineteen

567
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,599
ninety three, and the way that they arrived at this

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conclusion was just to look at statistics.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: Very improbable statistically that he would just at a sheer coincidence,

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have one wife and one girlfriend who disappeared and another

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00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,400
wife who died under suspicious circumstances without him being involved.

573
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,199
It's almost an impossibility that just don't happen in life

574
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one of the three, maybe even two of the three,

575
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,679
the three of the three. So they interviewed one of

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Felix's girlfriends from the nineteen eighties, the FBI as they

577
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,400
start investigating this in nineteen ninety three, and she said

578
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:44,079
he was physically violent towards her and eventually she got

579
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,679
a restraining order against him. It was that bad. So

580
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,079
he has a history of being violent, but the FBI

581
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,079
just couldn't find any solid information. In the following year,

582
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:05,320
in nineteen ninety four, they close the investigation. Now Felix

583
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:12,559
and Mary's son Bill, he actually sadly died in two

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thousand and nine at the age of forty six, but

585
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,159
before he died, he made a video statement of everything

586
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,599
he claimed he heard his father say about his mother's death.

587
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:31,039
And one of Felix's neighbors from the nineteen sixties said

588
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:35,480
he had cursed his first wife and claimed he killed

589
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:40,920
her because she was pregnant again. So in twenty twelve,

590
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:47,880
the police open up Mary's investigation into her death as

591
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,880
well as Hensley and Annette's disappearances. They started investigating this again.

592
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,239
And what do you think caused them to do that, Well,

593
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,880
more than anything else, it was a reporter of for

594
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:09,199
a Mississippi newspaper that ran some articles on these strange

595
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,599
cases in their relation to Felix Vale. He was an

596
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:18,119
investigative reporter, and it lit the whole freaking world on

597
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,639
fire at this time. Now Felix, at this time he

598
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,199
was living in Mississippi, and when this reporter, Jerry Mitchell,

599
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:32,840
tried to interview him about these missing women and Mary,

600
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:39,800
he suddenly leaves the area. He freaking moves and in

601
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:47,039
May of twenty thirteen, Felix gets arrested in Commell County,

602
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:55,320
Texas and he gets charged with the murder of Mary

603
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:03,599
in nineteen sixty two. Now, I want to back up

604
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for a second, and I just want to say in

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nineteen ninety seven, and that's mother, she holds a memorial

606
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:16,079
service for her daughter in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and the Tulsa,

607
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:22,559
Oklahoma police they're still investigating that case. Right, She's still

608
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:27,559
a missing person even to this day. And of course

609
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:33,000
foul play is expected. But the one good thing to

610
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:38,079
come out of this is now Felix gets arrested for

611
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,440
Mary's murder. What do they do after and arrest, Well,

612
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they have a trial, and we're going to get into

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00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,119
that trial next week. We're going to get into what

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happened in that second arrest and all the details moving

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forward with Felix Veil. Thank you so much for listening.

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until next time, I'm Jim Chapman for Bloody Angola, a

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podcastty two years in the making, the complete story of

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America's Bloodies Present Peace.

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Speaker 1: A Wall Street line, shackle, chains, gird it's calling my name.

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There is no mercy and this being a tanery use

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sass the huge stream game Ranger three. I'm in bed.

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Speaker 2: By me to die inside these walls, inside the wild,

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and when the cries, I know it's abody angleer ohbody

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angle