Speaker 1: Welcome to my world, bitch, good bar.
Speaker 2: Here. Welcome to the one hundred and seventy sixth episode
Speaker 2: of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast.
Speaker 3: So Mythically Paranormal.
Speaker 2: My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
Speaker 2: with me as always.
Speaker 3: Is Oscar, motherfucking Inspector.
Speaker 2: Producer Extraordinary and podcast co host Oscar. Happy. March first, Happy?
Speaker 3: What's Special's first?
Speaker 2: Not a damn thing? No? Nothing? Have you been?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Do you like March? Because I feel like it's the
Speaker 3: beginning of spring in the winter.
Speaker 2: Too here in the Midwest. It could go either way.
Speaker 3: It luctuates, you know, heavily. Chicago certainly does. We're in
Speaker 3: false spring right now.
Speaker 2: False spring? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. Last week I had
Speaker 2: my windows open. It was in the high fifties.
Speaker 3: And now it's fucking cold, ash out there, freezing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you drive You drove through basically a snowstorm
Speaker 2: to get here.
Speaker 3: Not crazy. So yeah, marble days, three days, that's what
Speaker 3: it did. March is a fickle bitch, as they say, Yeah,
Speaker 3: looks like me.
Speaker 2: You are kind of fickle, think you. I think one
Speaker 2: of the worst snowstorms in Chicago. I believe happened in
Speaker 2: early April.
Speaker 3: You made in history. Yeah, you know what the year
Speaker 3: that was?
Speaker 2: So, no, I don't. I think it was sometime like
Speaker 2: in the seventies. I always hear about the seventeen seventies.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that long bro Okay, it was like
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight to Snowstore seventy eight, something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Sorry, real coach, So only because you reminded me. In
Speaker 3: the eighties it was a huge, horrible snowstorm as well.
Speaker 3: I don't know what year exactly, but it was definitely
Speaker 3: after I was born, so I had to beat between
Speaker 3: eighty four and eighty nine somewhere in eighties. My dad
Speaker 3: mentioned he told me about the story once where he
Speaker 3: was he wasn't. I don't think he personally wasn't lake
Speaker 3: Shore Drive, but I know he helped someone. But people
Speaker 3: were stranded on Lake Shore dry from the heavy heavy
Speaker 3: winds and snowstorm and ice storms that were coming from
Speaker 3: the from the lake because it's right off the lake,
Speaker 3: and people were stranded there. And then there were like
Speaker 3: huge like buses that were like you know, all the
Speaker 3: you know, fitted for the storm, coming out there to
Speaker 3: find and rescue people.
Speaker 2: With hot chocolates and shit, and that's all night. You
Speaker 2: don't see that anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and no, because we fixed a lot of problems
Speaker 3: and global warming.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, right, I remember. Yeah, my dad and one
Speaker 2: of those storms. I don't know if it was in
Speaker 2: the eighties. I think it was the big one in
Speaker 2: the late seventies. Yeah, he was stuck somewhere on Lake
Speaker 2: Shore Drive and.
Speaker 3: Must be horrifying. I must be a trip. I have
Speaker 3: never had that experience myself.
Speaker 2: So in a Chicago Tribune truck drove by and had
Speaker 2: to pick him up. No way, because they were delivering
Speaker 2: new papers even in that horrible stormy. Yeah, delivery newspapers.
Speaker 2: That's the rain shine. It was like the mailman kind.
Speaker 4: Of but that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: That's geez to do it in that kind of snowstorm.
Speaker 3: I would have said, oh, fuck the news.
Speaker 2: People don't need to know what's going on. I look
Speaker 2: up the extra actually read.
Speaker 3: If you don't have a window, you can't afford a newspaper, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so March I can take it or leave it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what's been what's been new with you?
Speaker 3: What's going Asking me?
Speaker 2: First, I'm asking you.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited right now, and I'll tell you this
Speaker 3: quick thing. But I'm excited because they I'm not going
Speaker 3: to tell you the name because I feel like free
Speaker 3: promotion for something I don't know yet. It's very strange,
Speaker 3: but I am. I've commissioned my latest, my next and biggest.
Speaker 3: I think it might be my biggest tattoo. It's coming
Speaker 3: for late March. It's gonna happen. So by the time
Speaker 3: when the show comes up much for so hopefully by
Speaker 3: the next recording I'll have it done. But maybe not
Speaker 3: even that. I might have to wait to the next one,
Speaker 3: depending on what we record. But yeah, I'm at the
Speaker 3: Chicago Tattoo Convention. I'm gonna go. I commission this great
Speaker 3: artist I hear great things about from Michigan. He's coming
Speaker 3: to visit to the convention. I reserve the slot, send
Speaker 3: a deposit, just like three days ago. Super excited. And
Speaker 3: do you want to know the design? You can tell
Speaker 3: your design, all right? So the design is going to
Speaker 3: cover my entire thigh and it is a hexagonal grid, right,
Speaker 3: So as to how many squares, how many shapes, I
Speaker 3: don't know how much will fit. I told them to
Speaker 3: cover as much as he wants kind of thing, make
Speaker 3: it a little tasteful, but I'm not like whatever, not
Speaker 3: like misshaping. And and the whole point of it is
Speaker 3: that every time I get a new tattoo somewhere on
Speaker 3: my body, I'm gonna have that artist if they want
Speaker 3: to fill in one of the squares with something that
Speaker 3: they want, right, it'll be It'll be like a patchwork
Speaker 3: of different artists.
Speaker 2: I love that idea, right, It's.
Speaker 3: A cool idea. And I told this artist that I
Speaker 3: commissioned this grid for to fill in one of those
Speaker 3: for the first one, and you have no idea what
Speaker 3: he's gonna do, no idea what I gave him. Three
Speaker 3: stipulations nothing offensive meaning no swaster does and shit like
Speaker 3: that you have to make sure well and so none
Speaker 3: of that. I prefer one color, so like black doesn't
Speaker 3: count necessarily, but it could just be black, or it
Speaker 3: could be purple, but not like purple and red for example,
Speaker 3: like I don't want. I like the idea of solid
Speaker 3: colors if they want. And then thirdly, no wording like
Speaker 3: no only wording like nothing that's just words. I would
Speaker 3: like something visually that's crazy unique to them. And perfectly
Speaker 3: something that they always wanted to do. Maybe they never
Speaker 3: had a chance to something that they love to draw,
Speaker 3: you know, to design whatever they want.
Speaker 2: That is. That's a I've never seen that before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I figure it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It kind of gives the artists something completely freedom to
Speaker 3: do something like that, so that they often don't get
Speaker 3: a lot of freedom because it's not their body they're tattooing,
Speaker 3: right right, So interesting.
Speaker 2: So what this means now is that you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to get a lot more fucking tattoos so that grid
Speaker 2: fills up it doesn't just look like a honeycomber.
Speaker 3: That's the whole because that it will show more initiative
Speaker 3: for me to get more of them, because I've always
Speaker 3: wanted tattoos and I want to be covered in jay,
Speaker 3: as you've known thirty years of knowing me or whatever,
Speaker 3: twenty something years. Sorry, I just never got to pull
Speaker 3: the trigger most years, for like decades, I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: I did like the first few years of my eighteen
Speaker 3: to twenty five, and then I stopped, you know, so
Speaker 3: I'm recontinuing again.
Speaker 2: So good for you, man. Yeah, that's crazy. Uh. And
Speaker 2: so that was one thing you also told me another one, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting another tattoo about a week later.
Speaker 2: I've been.
Speaker 3: What do you call it, scheduled yet as a different artist,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to have her do because I have
Speaker 3: a Kirby tattoo on my right.
Speaker 2: Calf or on their Kirby for those who don't know, Kirby.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a video game character, pink balloon character that
Speaker 3: swallows up people and inherits their attributes, attributes. And this
Speaker 3: Kirby that I currently have is a Kirby that is
Speaker 3: that eight a hell kitty, So it looks like Hello, Kitty, Kirby.
Speaker 3: That's right, right, I haven't seen it, so I have
Speaker 3: a commission to do another one that's like that. A
Speaker 3: Kirby that ate a Pokemon, one of my favorite pokemons.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna have it on the opposite side of
Speaker 3: the same leg.
Speaker 2: So very cool. Did you say you said you wanted
Speaker 2: to have your whole leg?
Speaker 3: I wanted the entire right leg from the calf down
Speaker 3: to the ankle, filled with Kirby's.
Speaker 2: That's what I want.
Speaker 3: And I have a Kirby tattoo artist just for that.
Speaker 4: So awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for you. Thank you. We could when you
Speaker 2: get them, let's get some pictures. Oh yeah, we put
Speaker 2: it on website, put up on our Instagram, on the
Speaker 2: website and stuff. Yeah, that's awesome. Good for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm it's been It's been a very long time for
Speaker 2: me since I've had a tattoo.
Speaker 3: I know you've been telling me.
Speaker 2: And I have been kind of itching' it'sunn because it
Speaker 2: makes you itchy. It does, yes, it does, but so
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe I'll maybe I'll join along with.
Speaker 3: You and yeah, hopefully inspires you.
Speaker 2: I love tattoos because I know someone who's going to
Speaker 2: be at that convention tattooing. So maybe i'll nice. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll make a phone call a guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. What about you? What you've been on too, man?
Speaker 2: You know, just working nothing too crazy over the last month.
Speaker 2: I do. Right now, I feel really bad for my daughter.
Speaker 2: She's seventeen and uh and we're going through it right now.
Speaker 2: And she was getting pain in her in her wisdom
Speaker 2: teeth on one side of her face. Okay, So it
Speaker 2: got to the point where you.
Speaker 3: Got the chisel and the hammer.
Speaker 2: Basically right, you know. So we finally went in and
Speaker 2: took a look and yeah, you know, two of them
Speaker 2: could come out. And the orthodontis was like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: or the oral surgeon excuse me, It was like, you know,
Speaker 2: while you're under, you might as well do. It's an
Speaker 2: up cell, is what it is. Oh yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: how Yeah that's on top of your steak children. Right.
Speaker 2: But we we thought about it. We talked about it,
Speaker 2: and you know, there is a chance later on in
Speaker 2: life something could happen if you're gonna go under, get
Speaker 2: all for them, right, let's just so Talia read. We
Speaker 2: talked about it. So she had that procedure done two
Speaker 2: days ago and during the procedure she woke up the.
Speaker 3: Way and which I hear can't happen, but it's.
Speaker 2: She had some sort of reaction to the anestese anesthesis, Yeah,
Speaker 2: anesthetic anesthetic. Yeah, it's anesthetic. Sure, And so she woke
Speaker 2: up during and the doctor pulled me into a room
Speaker 2: after after she was done, the doctor brought me into
Speaker 2: the room to see her, and she was out of it.
Speaker 2: She was kind of laughing and I was like completely right.
Speaker 2: And then he pulled me into He's like, come, I
Speaker 2: want to talk to you. He pulls me into a
Speaker 2: separate room with his nurse. I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is this?
Speaker 3: And a short saw shotgun.
Speaker 2: I paid my bill? What are we doing? And that's
Speaker 2: the other thing too, Dental insurance is a fucking joke,
Speaker 2: let me tell you. But uh so he closed the door.
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, what's going on. He's like, well, I
Speaker 2: want you to know if you see bruising on your
Speaker 2: I said, well, bruising on my daughter. What do you mean? Well,
Speaker 2: she woke up during the procedure. She woke up. He said,
Speaker 2: she was like a wild animal. Five people had to
Speaker 2: restrain her.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was freaking out, freaking out, completely freaking out
Speaker 2: and crazy. The nurse goes to me, she's like, your
Speaker 2: daughter is strong, you know. I'm like, thanks, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I felt so bad for her and you.
Speaker 3: Should have ad met her right then and there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she fights homeless people on the weekend. You're right,
Speaker 2: I should have told her about it. So she's going
Speaker 2: through the healing process now. But surprisingly, with all of
Speaker 2: the trauma that happened, she's not having a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: The surgeon did a good job, but man, could you
Speaker 2: imagine waking up during that. I can't imagine waking up
Speaker 2: during that.
Speaker 3: No, but there's a good heart. There's a few horror
Speaker 3: movies that do that. There's a horror movie called The Dentist.
Speaker 3: Do they do that in that movie?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know the ladies, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Right, I think I think what we're talking about. It
Speaker 3: was just not one hundred percent sure. No, that's horrifying.
Speaker 3: That is I never had that happen. I've had a
Speaker 3: few surgeries in my life, but no, And that's.
Speaker 2: I mean either once I'm out of them out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when she got home again, she was so loopy,
Speaker 2: so out of it. Blood was but you remember fighting
Speaker 2: back and all that. So that's the thing. So she
Speaker 2: goes while she was trying to talk to me with
Speaker 2: a numb mouth, she she got across that she remembered
Speaker 2: the doctor yelling at her, And I'm like, oh, Talia,
Speaker 2: you know you're probably just you're just invented your mind.
Speaker 2: You pulled the la I did until because I want
Speaker 2: her to be awake and like alert when we have
Speaker 2: this conversation about what happened. But she remembered. That's what
Speaker 2: she remembered. Everything else no clue. She's like, Dad, I'll
Speaker 2: remember seeing the needle and then the doctor.
Speaker 3: Can cause on do trauma in the future.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope not.
Speaker 3: No, I hope not too. I really hope not. But
Speaker 3: it could. I mean, keep this in your back pocket
Speaker 3: in case you.
Speaker 2: Will tell her we're worried because she has another she
Speaker 2: has something else coming up in a few weeks where
Speaker 2: she's got to go under again, and uh, we're nervous. Now.
Speaker 3: Maybe watch Get Out and see how they put that
Speaker 3: guy under and if they could do the same thing,
Speaker 3: maybe do a little deeper, deeper dive.
Speaker 2: But it was it's a crazy it's just a crazy thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's insane.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: That's a horror movie.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. Just told me a horror movie.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Help you.
Speaker 3: I know she's okay, obviously she hope she Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: glad she's.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. But now we have to figure out
Speaker 2: for the next thing that she's got going on.
Speaker 3: You know, if I was her dad, I would buy
Speaker 3: her like a movie with like I would buy her
Speaker 3: The Marathon Man. Have you in the Marathon man, they
Speaker 3: torture people with drilling your teeth. Oh like force force them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would, That's how That's how I would parent, Like
Speaker 3: I would. I would immediately go buy a movie or
Speaker 3: get a movie that will horrify their experience. They would
Speaker 3: like join them in some experience similar cathartic. When one
Speaker 3: of my friends got pregnant once in the twenty tents,
Speaker 3: I got her a series of movies and they were
Speaker 3: all themed around pregnant horror movies because she was pregnant
Speaker 3: and she watched like, I think all of them. She
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, she was a she was a real tooper.
Speaker 2: She loved it. She loved it. Great friend. But it
Speaker 2: could have easily.
Speaker 3: Gone South's my point, because there a horror movie yes anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean that's kind of the latest newest
Speaker 2: thing rund here unfortunately. But otherwise we're just chucking along, man,
Speaker 2: joking along. Ready to give the listeners another dose of
Speaker 2: sick fuckery on this story or fuck sickery. Absolutely, you
Speaker 2: just took a sip when you made that joke. What
Speaker 2: are we drinking tonight?
Speaker 3: Something from a bottle?
Speaker 2: You're liking this one? You've had a few pores ready.
Speaker 2: This is a peerless small batch. It's from it's from Kentucky.
Speaker 2: It's one hundred and ten proof, and I am really
Speaker 2: enjoying it.
Speaker 3: It's really enjoyable.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of flavors, a lot of smells. Sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't have the palette.
Speaker 3: It's a color It's like a colorful action movie where
Speaker 3: the bad guy wins.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: Oh you take a picture of you got it?
Speaker 2: Take that picture, take it. Get me in that picture too. No,
Speaker 2: I look terrible. It's super late.
Speaker 3: I didn't think I just got your hand. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: M all right, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Take a break?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a short intro. You know, I have wanted
Speaker 2: to say something I haven'ten wanting to sell. And we
Speaker 2: haven't made this announcement in quite a while. Listeners who
Speaker 2: don't like our long intros, can we still get little
Speaker 2: emails once in a while. Look, or you see on
Speaker 2: YouTube we talk for fifteen minutes, eat a dick.
Speaker 3: Or as my mom would say, if you have nothing nice
Speaker 3: to say, don't say it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. But you could always go to the
Speaker 2: show notes because we do put a time stamp where
Speaker 2: you could just get straight to the topic. Yeah, get
Speaker 2: to said that like a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you haven't. We should every once in a
Speaker 3: while with mind people, Yes.
Speaker 2: That's true. But I will tell you, you know, I
Speaker 2: always say, oh, write the show, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: No one ever says anything, you know, when people say something,
Speaker 2: whenever that that topic comes back around of you know,
Speaker 2: should we really should we really cut our intros and
Speaker 2: make them super short and just get into the topic.
Speaker 2: That's when people jump in and be like, no, man,
Speaker 2: keep it. We like listen to you guys, you know
Speaker 2: your book.
Speaker 3: I always told you over the years, like, no, we
Speaker 3: should do whatever the fuck we want to do because
Speaker 3: people could just skip to it.
Speaker 2: You're right, so check the show notes.
Speaker 3: So if you don't like it, yes, exactly, or they
Speaker 3: can make your own podcast.
Speaker 2: You put in the time research. Right, Let's take a break.
Speaker 4: Let's do that.
Speaker 2: M listening listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the
Speaker 2: lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit,
Speaker 2: and the drinks are flowing. Let's start this show. Baraboo,
Speaker 2: Wisconsin wakes in the soft light of a summer morning,
Speaker 2: the air thick with the scent of dew on the
Speaker 2: River and sweet funnel cakes from the Circus World Museum. Barboo, Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: lies ninety two miles northwest of Madison, the state capitol,
Speaker 2: and one hundred and ninety miles from Chicago, and only
Speaker 2: a short eighteen minute drive from the famed Wisconsin Dells,
Speaker 2: a Midwest tourist mecca. The Dells is famous for its
Speaker 2: massive water parks, ziplines, bungee jumps, duck boat tours, annularia,
Speaker 2: fund shops, and countless souvenir stores, as well as quirky
Speaker 2: attractions like H one N one COVID did not start
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin Dell's quirky attractions like Ripley's Believe It or Not,
Speaker 2: haunted houses and those old timey photo studios. But back
Speaker 2: in bear Aboo it's much quieter. Its streets are lined
Speaker 2: with stately brick and limestone buildings that have sheltered local
Speaker 2: shops and families for more than a century. Known as
Speaker 2: Circus City not Circuit City, it was here, in eighteen
Speaker 2: eighty four that the Ringling Brothers launched their first performances,
Speaker 2: a legacy still visible in the opulent Wringling Mansion with
Speaker 2: its faded posters of acrobats and elephants, music, drifts and
Speaker 2: echoes from summer parades and museum events. On any normal day,
Speaker 2: children laugh along the banks of the Barboo River, fishermen
Speaker 2: crouch over bass streams, and hikers follow the rugged trails
Speaker 2: of the Driftless Area, a rare stretch of the Midwest
Speaker 2: untouched by glaciers, where ridges rise steep and forests slope
Speaker 2: down to clear spring freed waters. The driftless terrain gives
Speaker 2: the town its character. Dramatic river beds, jagged bluffs, hidden waterfalls,
Speaker 2: and valleys carved over millennia. It's a land that draws
Speaker 2: the curious and the adventurous, a landscape meant for exploration
Speaker 2: and daydreams. Yet in the summers of nineteen ninety four
Speaker 2: and nineteen ninety five, this serene scene, the rustle of leaves,
Speaker 2: the shimmer of water, the nostalgic hum of Circus history,
Speaker 2: became the backdrop for horrors so unimaginable that Baraboo would
Speaker 2: never see its streets the same way again. Beneath the
Speaker 2: town's gentle rhythms, a darkness had quietly taken route, waiting
Speaker 2: to be revealed in the most unspeakable ways. The Fourth
Speaker 2: of July weekend in nineteen ninety four brought sunshine, fireworks,
Speaker 2: and barbecues to Barriboo, and then silence. Chris Steiner, a
Speaker 2: fourteen year old boy who lived with his parents in
Speaker 2: the heart of town, vanished. His parents were ported a
Speaker 2: missing on July fourth, after finding his bed empty and
Speaker 2: unsettling signs of intrusion. In his bedroom. The screen of
Speaker 2: his window had been sliced open, muddy footprints marred the carpet,
Speaker 2: and a patio door stood unlocked, despite the family's belief
Speaker 2: that Chris had been sound asleep when they went to
Speaker 2: bed for the night. For days, investigators and neighbors searched fields,
Speaker 2: river banks and trails, every glance heavy with hope and
Speaker 2: a mix of dread. Then, on July tenth, nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 2: Chris Steiner's body was found draped over a partially submerged
Speaker 2: tree along a sandy bank of the Wisconsin River near
Speaker 2: the Pine Island Wild Refuge just north of Portage, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: An autopsy concluded that Chris had drowned. Water was found
Speaker 2: in his lungs, a hall mark of drowning, yet the
Speaker 2: manner of death was classified as undetermined HMM. Local authorities
Speaker 2: initially couldn't say whether his death was the result of
Speaker 2: foul play, an accident, or something else. Entirely, and with
Speaker 2: nothing else to go on, Chris Steiner's case went cold.
Speaker 2: Uncertainty clung to the Steiner family and the community like
Speaker 2: a stubborn fog, a young boy's death without answers. Many
Speaker 2: hoped it was a tragic anomaly, a damned, one off
Speaker 2: thing in a town that otherwise knew peace. But the
Speaker 2: currents of that river carried a deeper truth no one
Speaker 2: was prepared to uncover, because little did our Barabouians know
Speaker 2: they had a monster in their midst, a budding serial
Speaker 2: killer with a disgusting fetish just next door. Nearly a
Speaker 2: year after Chris Steiner's disappearance, the air in Baraboo was
Speaker 2: once again thick with summer warmth and the promise of
Speaker 2: late night TV marathons like USA Up All Night, T
Speaker 2: and T, Saturday Night nightro or maybe The Mystery Science
Speaker 2: Theater Hour. Thirteen year old Thad Phillips lay asleep on
Speaker 2: the living room couch of his family's home after spending
Speaker 2: that evening with his parents and siblings before dawn on
Speaker 2: July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five, something unimaginable happened. Thad
Speaker 2: woke not to his father's voice telling him to get
Speaker 2: off the couch and go to bed, but to the
Speaker 2: sensation of being lifted and carried through the house. For
Speaker 2: a moment while in that sweet semi dream, Statedad thought
Speaker 2: it was one of his parents moving him like they
Speaker 2: did back when he was a little boy. But when
Speaker 2: he opened his eyes to the cool night air and
Speaker 2: an unfamiliar face, realization struck like a blow. He was
Speaker 2: in the hands of a vague stranger, seventeen year old
Speaker 2: Joseph C. Clark. Clark had a plan for Thad. Once outside,
Speaker 2: he said the still half asleep boy down and told
Speaker 2: him he was hosting an epic party with beer girls
Speaker 2: and all the neighborhood kids, and that Thad was invited.
Speaker 2: Joe Clark even rattled off the names of some of
Speaker 2: the boys Thad knew, lending a strange veneer of legitimacy
Speaker 2: to his story. In the dim pre dawn light, Clark
Speaker 2: seemed friendly and just familiar enough to be mistaken for
Speaker 2: a neighbor or a casual acquaintance. Thad had seen this
Speaker 2: guy in the neighborhood, hadn't he Groggy? Disoriented and lowed
Speaker 2: by that fleeting familiarity, Thad followed, unaware that each step
Speaker 2: carried him closer to the abyss.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Joe Clark's home was nothing like the tidy houses in
Speaker 2: Thad's neighborhood. Inside, the darrel instructor reeked of dirt and
Speaker 2: trash and neglect. Clark lured that upstairs. It was then
Speaker 2: that his friendliness vanished. It was then that the bone
Speaker 2: breaker emerged. You see, Joe Clark had a fascination what
Speaker 2: experts would call a fetish for the feel and the
Speaker 2: sound of breaking bones. Oh, he loved and couldn't get
Speaker 2: enough of it.
Speaker 3: So he'd be an amazing executioner in the medieval He's
Speaker 3: sixteen hundreds to the eighteen hundreds, even up to the
Speaker 3: nineteenth A little bit, you know, we talked a fair
Speaker 3: We talked about the breaking of the wheel, which is
Speaker 3: a torturing techno.
Speaker 2: Yes, on a.
Speaker 3: Wheel that would break you break a person in their
Speaker 3: hearts and pieces up to depending on the sentencing. It
Speaker 3: would depend on whether or not you're live or dead
Speaker 3: when they do it to you. But they do a
Speaker 3: myriad of things, breaking your pelvis, breaking your arm, breaking
Speaker 3: all these things in certain orders. Who you stay alive
Speaker 3: and go through all that? I feel like that was
Speaker 3: his time perioder he was born and the wrong. Oh god,
Speaker 3: that's for him. This is awful, awful thing. That's an
Speaker 3: awful fetish because it's really hard to recreate this. Honest,
Speaker 3: you're doing animals, I guess, which is also pretty bad,
Speaker 3: but terrible, terrible, but a little less bad, right, And
Speaker 3: it's pretty hard to live this out as fetish.
Speaker 2: Right. I can't even imagine what.
Speaker 3: You can't take this sound and.
Speaker 2: No, and we'll get into this later, but how does
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old develop that fetish? I don't you know.
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about this later, okay, yeah, but I
Speaker 2: mean since we're kind of in that space now, yeah,
Speaker 2: think about that, well, listeners, while you're going through this
Speaker 2: with us, How does a seventeen year old child develop
Speaker 2: such a specific mo o and fetish? It's crazy? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had this clown been smart enough, like the wheel,
Speaker 2: like you're saying, would have been front and center in
Speaker 2: his room, you know, he ever would have loved the wheel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: good point. Now, when Joe Clark had fan fad, fad.
Speaker 2: It's a strange you don't hear it anymore, Sad TJD.
Speaker 2: When Joe Clark had Fad and the confines of his filthy,
Speaker 2: dirty bedroom, Clark resolved the question of Thad's fate in
Speaker 2: the most monstrous way. He threw the thirteen year old
Speaker 2: boy onto his nasty ass bed, grabbed Thad's foot and
Speaker 2: began to twist it and wrench it and pull at
Speaker 2: it until Thad's ankle snapped with a sickening, visceral pop
Speaker 2: that would echo in Thad's memory for decades. Savoring the
Speaker 2: sick satisfaction of hearing Thad's bone snap, Joe Clark eased
Speaker 2: his grip just enough for Thad to struggle fee free,
Speaker 2: though only for a few fleeting seconds. Hobbled and in agony,
Speaker 2: Thad stumbled downstairs, desperately seeking escape, but Clark was relentless.
Speaker 2: He caught him, threw him onto a couch, and in
Speaker 2: a brutal, terrifying servage of rage, he hoisted one of
Speaker 2: Thad's legs over his own head and pressed down with
Speaker 2: such animalistic force that Thad's thigh bone the heaviest strongest
Speaker 2: bone in the human body snapped. The humor is that is? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the pain must have been just unfathomat.
Speaker 3: I never broken a bone in my life.
Speaker 2: I'm dislocated. Yeah, never cleanly broken. Thank god. Every nerve
Speaker 2: is screaming. Yet this little boy endured, clinging to the
Speaker 2: slender hope for survival. What followed was approximately forty three
Speaker 2: hours of physical and psychological torment. Clark alternated between bursts
Speaker 2: of casual normalcy, watching television and talking about trivial bullshit
Speaker 2: and brutal violence. He went on to fracture Thad's limbs
Speaker 2: and methadical fashion, moving from ankles to knees to thighs.
Speaker 2: Each act of violence interspersed with periods where he sloppily
Speaker 2: tried to fix those breaks with socks, gauze, and rudimentary splints,
Speaker 2: probably thinking he could heal him again and break him
Speaker 2: over over in a kid's mind, you know, splinting, gettle,
Speaker 2: correct it so he could do it again, which takes
Speaker 2: for everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, it tastes like months and months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clark's cruelty was unbound. He would smother Thad with pillows,
Speaker 2: jump on his chest, bite him, stomp on his legs,
Speaker 2: all while speaking casualty about casually about shit no one
Speaker 2: cared about. Dad's terror was compounded by the unpredictability moments
Speaker 2: of conversation and apparent calm punctuated by unimaginable pain, a
Speaker 2: rhythm of horror designed to break that entirely. At one point,
Speaker 2: Clark admitted that he'd done this before to two other boys,
Speaker 2: and that one of the boy's names was Chris. One
Speaker 2: of the most astonishing and horrifying aspects of this torture
Speaker 2: documented in survivor testimony was Clark's fixation on the sound
Speaker 2: and sensation of bones breaking. Fad later told investigators that
Speaker 2: Clark seemed almost fascinated by it, not merely cruel, but
Speaker 2: consumed by it. Now again, just stop for a beat
Speaker 2: and think about that. Imagine pulling, twisting, grinding, and wrenching
Speaker 2: someone's limb to the point of breaking.
Speaker 3: Right, you could do I mean, you could do it
Speaker 3: a lot faster with a hammer, for example. But that's
Speaker 3: not what he's that's.
Speaker 2: Not what he's after. No, it's like demonic asmr you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, oh that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: You're right, that is what it is.
Speaker 2: The pain and suffering was relentless, but Bad's spirit was
Speaker 2: one thing that Clark couldn't break. He endured blow after blow, confusion, fear, betrayal,
Speaker 2: all while waiting for the slightest opening. In a moment
Speaker 2: of opportunity, when Clark left his house, leaving Fad unattended
Speaker 2: and locked in a closet, the boy summoned his reserves
Speaker 2: of strength and will that most of us could never fathom.
Speaker 2: In the closet, Dad found a heavy guitar, and, with
Speaker 2: his broken leg, screaming in protest, he hammered at that
Speaker 2: door until it splintered and fell open. Then came an
Speaker 2: act of nearly unfathomable courage. In agony and near collapse,
Speaker 2: Dad threw himself head first down the stairs, losing consciousness
Speaker 2: more than once during that descent. When he woke up.
Speaker 2: When he came to, he was in the kitchen, inches
Speaker 2: from a telephone. With shattered limbs and a body that
Speaker 2: should have failed by now, he managed to dial nine
Speaker 2: to one one. That call not a scream, not a
Speaker 2: plea of panic, but a sober, precise report alerted authorities.
Speaker 2: I've been kidnapped. My legs are broken. When officers arrived
Speaker 2: at Joe Clark's house. They found that collapsed on the floor,
Speaker 2: grievously injured, but alive. The culmination of a nightmare no
Speaker 2: child should ever know now would begin Thad Philip's long
Speaker 2: road to recovery, and he did recover, after numerous surgeries
Speaker 2: and ending up with a permanent limp. All told, Thad
Speaker 2: suffered severe factures to both ankles. Both his feet were sideways,
Speaker 2: his left knee which was actually backwards, his right upper leg,
Speaker 2: his thigh bone all broken. That also had black eyes,
Speaker 2: countless bruises and bite marks. And I'll tell you, I've
Speaker 2: seen photographs of Thad's legs before he had multiple surgeries
Speaker 2: to fix them, and I swear to God, his legs
Speaker 2: looked like uncooked Italian sausages. That's what they look like.
Speaker 2: Legs were that bad. It's a miracle they didn't need
Speaker 2: to be amputated. Yeah, it's really hard to visualize. It's gross.
Speaker 3: It's glossy for a thirteen year old kid, I mean
Speaker 3: for anyone, but yeah, thirteen.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Thankfully Thatad wasn't sexually assaulted by Clark, but he did
Speaker 2: confess that after breaking his bones, Clark would sometimes masturbate
Speaker 2: there's definitely a sexual.
Speaker 3: Album, the act of something that's.
Speaker 2: Now. Once in custody, Clark was questioned about Dad's kidnapping
Speaker 2: and injuries, and in the course of interviews, it was
Speaker 2: bad that revealed the detail that would upend the resolution
Speaker 2: of another tragic case. Clark had told Dad he had
Speaker 2: done this before to another boy named Chris, and at
Speaker 2: the mention of the name Chris, police immediately thought about
Speaker 2: Chris Steiner, the boy who had drowned by undetermined causes
Speaker 2: a year earlier. Police knew that was more than a drowning,
Speaker 2: they just couldn't prove it, but now they might have something.
Speaker 2: The only problem was Christiner was already buried, so in
Speaker 2: true Hollywood fashion, Chris Steiner's body was exhumed through X rays.
Speaker 2: It was conduct that were conducted on his legs and ankles,
Speaker 2: areas originally overlooked in the first autopsy. What they found
Speaker 2: shattered the original understanding of Christeiner's de Multiple fractures in
Speaker 2: his legs and ankles nearly identical to those that endured.
Speaker 2: So with these injuries, paired with the drowning, that explained
Speaker 2: Chris's inability to swim and gave unequivocal evidence pomicide at
Speaker 2: the hands of Joe Clark, the Bare Boo bone Breaker.
Speaker 2: Now back at Clark's home, investigators found a chilling piece
Speaker 2: of evidence, a notebook in Clark's own handwriting, with over
Speaker 2: a dozen local boys named names arranged under headings headings
Speaker 2: like get to Know, Can't Wait, and most unsettling of
Speaker 2: all the leg thing it said that both Chris Steiner
Speaker 2: and Bad Philip's names were in that book, although in
Speaker 2: which column were not sure because the notebook's exact contents
Speaker 2: were never released to the public. To detectives, this notebook
Speaker 2: suggested potential future victims no doubt Clark was going to
Speaker 2: do this again and again and again. Now Clark's legal
Speaker 2: saga unfolded in multiple phases. For the torture of Dad Phillips.
Speaker 2: He was charged with attempted first degree intentional homicide causing
Speaker 2: great bodily harm to a child, mayhem, and a few
Speaker 2: other charges. He entered a plea of no contest with
Speaker 2: the defense of not guilty by reason of mental disease
Speaker 2: or defect.
Speaker 3: Is that they're equivalent of insanity, but not insanity.
Speaker 2: I don't think it is okay.
Speaker 3: It's a different thing.
Speaker 2: I think it is, yes, because it was very specific
Speaker 2: mental diseases.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't often hear that one.
Speaker 2: Now. Despite the defense's attempts to portray impairment due to
Speaker 2: prenatal alcohol exposure and other environmental factors, the court found
Speaker 2: Clark mentally responsible and aware of his actions, and he
Speaker 2: was sentenced to one hundred years in prison for the
Speaker 2: attack on that In the Chris Steiner case, Clark pled
Speaker 2: not guilty, of course, but the evidence, including the exhumation results,
Speaker 2: pulling the back out, and X raying, proved overwhelming. So
Speaker 2: on November seven, nineteen ninety seven, Joe Clark, the Baraboo
Speaker 2: bone breaker, was convicted of first degree intentional homicide and
Speaker 2: sentenced to life in prison plus fifty years for the
Speaker 2: death of Christiner. He has maintained his innocence from behind bars,
Speaker 2: but appellate courts have consistently upheld those convictions. Okay, good Now,
Speaker 2: Today Joe Clark he sits riding away at the Woppin
Speaker 2: Correctional Institution in Wapuin, Wisconsin, just about an hour away
Speaker 2: from where he launched his assault on the poor children
Speaker 2: of Baraboo, known today as Prisoner zero zero three two one, three,
Speaker 2: two two. Joe Clark is eligible for parole in the
Speaker 2: year twenty ninety good, at which time will be one
Speaker 2: hundred and twelve. Good riddings, you sick fuck. As for
Speaker 2: Thad Phillips, he survived but not unscarred. His body required
Speaker 2: multiple surgeries and he now walks with the permanent limp.
Speaker 2: Over time, he shared his stories and interviews and that
Speaker 2: podcasts not as a horror tale, but as an account
Speaker 2: of resilience and survival against all odds.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, have you seen the movie or the
Speaker 3: story behind a true story of one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: seven hours?
Speaker 2: I remember the Fronco movie, right, yes, and.
Speaker 3: That's makes a real story, yes, like a real thing
Speaker 3: about literally. I think the book that the guy wrote
Speaker 3: was called Between a Rock and a Hard Place because
Speaker 3: he was literally stuck in the Rockah. It's like an
Speaker 3: endurance of that, but another person is the rock, right yeah, right,
Speaker 3: It's like a crazy feat of endurance and in some
Speaker 3: ways heroism and determination, which is great. I mean, that
Speaker 3: sucks that he had to prove that, but it is
Speaker 3: great regardless. It reminds me of that like a survivor's
Speaker 3: tale that I mean it's almost inconsequential to even meant
Speaker 3: like who cares who not who cares who did it?
Speaker 3: But like it's like it's the boy that's like, that's
Speaker 3: the that's the star of the story.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Absolutely, I'm trying to say the rest of the guy,
Speaker 2: the perpetrator.
Speaker 3: That doesn't matter as much as the rock doesn't matter
Speaker 3: and the other guy story, right.
Speaker 2: That good point. I like that in civil court that
Speaker 2: was awarded approximately twenty one million dollars in damages for
Speaker 2: lost medical costs and suffering, though public records and reports
Speaker 2: indicate he never received any of those funds. What well,
Speaker 2: Joe Clark, he's got no assets to satisfy that judgment.
Speaker 2: You can't bleed a stone, right of course, But you
Speaker 2: know I did. A community GoFundMe was organized for that,
Speaker 2: and I just checked before you know, we started recording
Speaker 2: as I was drafting this story. When I checked, twenty seven,
Speaker 2: two hundred and eleven dollars out of one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars goal had been raised. So a long way from
Speaker 2: the twenty one million he was originally supposed to.
Speaker 3: Yeh, probably needs more exposure. And also it's an older crime.
Speaker 2: So that's old at this point it's old crime. Yeah sucks,
Speaker 2: that does suck. That's suck, absolutely well.
Speaker 3: That's what sucks that we need this kind of thing
Speaker 3: at all, Like money end up, like all the raising
Speaker 3: just to get this guy some justice.
Speaker 2: I know, and I think Chris Diner, excuse me, Joe
Speaker 2: Clark's family not. There's no money there, there's no money,
Speaker 2: there's no one to go after, there's nothing to do.
Speaker 2: This poor guy is not going to get anything. But
Speaker 2: Chris Diner's family. Obviously, they continue to mourn their son.
Speaker 2: The exhumation and reclassification of his death provided painful answers,
Speaker 2: but obviously no solace could erase the loss of a child.
Speaker 2: The town held vigils, they shared memories, and they carry
Speaker 2: the weight of what was once inexplicable. The Baraboo bone
Speaker 2: Breaker case continues to reverberate through media on public consciousness
Speaker 2: more than three decades later. How a seemingly idyllic town
Speaker 2: harbored this horrific, unseen danger. There's a lot of discussion
Speaker 2: online that tries to explore why this case is as
Speaker 2: widely known as it should be, despite its brutality and
Speaker 2: this miraculous survivor story. A testament to both the randomness
Speaker 2: of violence and the remarkable will of a child who
Speaker 2: refused to let darkness swallow him for some reason. This
Speaker 2: case severely is under the radar. No law enforcement agency
Speaker 2: has ever publicly connected Joe Clark to any convermed victims
Speaker 2: beyond Chris Steiner and Thaed Phillips. Online speculation, mainly in
Speaker 2: true crime true crime forms and Reddit threads, have occasionally
Speaker 2: floated theories about additional unidentified cases, but these remain completely unsubstantiated,
Speaker 2: lacking any official corroboration from a physical evidence. But if
Speaker 2: you remember Clark, Joe Clark did tell Fad that he
Speaker 2: had done this twice before, once to Chris Steiner. But
Speaker 2: who's the other one? Now? At the core of this
Speaker 2: lies this question. I alluded to this a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: You know, how does this seventeen year old in this
Speaker 2: po dunk town, basically, this idyllic town, developed such a
Speaker 2: specific violent fetish, this erotic fixation on the sound and
Speaker 2: tactile sensation of another person's bone breaking. No one's born
Speaker 2: with that impulse, paraphilias, or the persistent and unconventional sexual
Speaker 2: arousal directed towards non human objects non consenting individuals or
Speaker 2: specific situations. Paraphilia of this intensity and specificity, they're not innate.
Speaker 2: They form through a union of early experiences, conditioning trauma,
Speaker 2: or psychological vulnerabilities that, over time warp sexual arousal toward
Speaker 2: cruelty and control. Yet Joe Clark already possessed a fully
Speaker 2: formed mo modus operandi targeting young adolescent boys, focusing exclusively
Speaker 2: on their legs, alternating sadistic torture with feigned care, and
Speaker 2: meticulously documenting potential victims in a notebook organized by readiness
Speaker 2: and type. Serial offenders, they typically require years, sometimes decades,
Speaker 2: of fantasy, experimentation and excalation to refine such a distinct pattern.
Speaker 2: For Clark to arrive at this level of sophistication and
Speaker 2: ritualization by age seventeen is profoundly disturbing. It suggests that
Speaker 2: whatever dark forces shaped his compulsion had been at work
Speaker 2: for a long time, likely far longer than his two
Speaker 2: confirmed victims had. Clark progressed further than most people care
Speaker 2: to imagine. Think about it, His very specific fetish had
Speaker 2: to be learned, developed, tested, So you got to wonder
Speaker 2: where their younger kids in Joe Clark's life that suffered
Speaker 2: mysterious bone breaks, younger cousins or the children of family friends. Babies,
Speaker 2: Maybe babies can't testify. There's no mention of Joe Clark
Speaker 2: harming animals, but animals could be a great source for
Speaker 2: developing his sick desire for the feel and sound of
Speaker 2: breaking bones. Then there's a question of the other unnamed
Speaker 2: boy Clark admitting admitted to harming. Was that real? Like?
Speaker 2: Is there another body out there somewhere, another victim of
Speaker 2: the Baraboo bone Breaker? Or was Clark just trying to
Speaker 2: scare at that Phillips while he was holding them captive
Speaker 2: and torturing him. The Baraboo bone Breaker story is not
Speaker 2: just a story of violence and suffering. It's a record
Speaker 2: of survival, an investigative persistence, and of the haunting way
Speaker 2: in which a quiet town's collective memory has been reshaped
Speaker 2: by what once seemed impossible. Today, the Wisconsin and Baraboo
Speaker 2: rivers still flow, circus banners still hang in flutter in
Speaker 2: summer breezes. But underneath it all lies a story of
Speaker 2: darkness confronted and of a boy who refused to surrender.
Speaker 3: Uh, do you know if he has a medical history,
Speaker 3: because maybe he suffered a break himself and through that
Speaker 3: could have been the bones, if you will, of this
Speaker 3: fetish being born.
Speaker 2: I see what you did there. No, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: anything like that, but.
Speaker 3: Man, oh yeah, you know a lot of kids, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're jumping around, you know, I mean I used
Speaker 3: to jump off garage roofs for no reason. I never
Speaker 3: broke anything, but I could have. And people you see
Speaker 3: he casts or skateboarding accents, I mean, why not him?
Speaker 3: Maybe he broke something and fell in love with it.
Speaker 2: There it was like, oh, oh.
Speaker 3: Probably not like that, but that's funny though.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: It could be a good sketch. But yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 3: how I started though, maybe fell in love with it
Speaker 3: through that.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything like that, but that's that's an
Speaker 2: interesting theory to.
Speaker 3: Well, if he has a medical history and if it
Speaker 3: reflects that. And as far as animals go, a lot
Speaker 3: of animals that are not like obviously as pats, you know,
Speaker 3: they have owners like that, you know, they don't they
Speaker 3: don't have chips or anything. We don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's done. How many squirrel or raccoon?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: We don't know. Yeah, and he's in the driftless area.
Speaker 2: I mean there's tons of woods and streams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of space in space, a lot of
Speaker 3: bacon spaces, and it's not all inhabited all the time,
Speaker 3: a lot of freedom, a lot of wildlife. I can
Speaker 3: see that park being a thing. I can see the
Speaker 3: leap here the bones and then wanting the satisfaction of
Speaker 3: breaking a sturdier bone, because because a child is a
Speaker 3: bigger version of the animals that are probably around them.
Speaker 3: On this he was like, I feel like, I'm so
Speaker 3: glad that he was caught early. Yes, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because if he had, He's so developed in
Speaker 3: his statistic nature that I wonder how much more dangers
Speaker 3: he would have been had he gotten, you know, ten
Speaker 3: years without being caught.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, So this would have this would have escalated
Speaker 2: way worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could see this guy putting traps
Speaker 3: now and catching people that way. And it's because you
Speaker 3: could you could break the balance of a trapped individual
Speaker 3: like the way you do like a deer. It just
Speaker 3: seems I was horrifying with the implications of what this
Speaker 3: guy could have done.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I wonder if there were I think
Speaker 2: about the kids surrounding him, family friends, young little cousins,
Speaker 2: you know, babies, and look, I'm no buddy. I'm sure
Speaker 2: investigators thought of this. I haven't seen anything that that
Speaker 2: there was mysterious injuries around the kids around Joe Clark.
Speaker 2: But that's a good question. I think it's a good question.
Speaker 2: You know, was there some weird stuff happened to kids
Speaker 2: and people just didn't put to them two together? It's scary.
Speaker 2: It's very scary. And who is this other kid? Was
Speaker 2: he bullshitting or is there another body out there? If
Speaker 2: there are multiple bodies out there and he's quiet. This
Speaker 2: guy he doesn't grant interviews, He doesn't talk to people.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's done once since all this went down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Otherwise he doesn't say shit. So there's a lot of
Speaker 2: unknowns with this one as well.
Speaker 3: A lot of them don't say enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Baraboo bone Breaker I've been up to.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a literation that worked there, right, It's
Speaker 2: it's yeah. I kept thinking I was gonna trip up
Speaker 2: saying that, But I've been up there. The Driftlessly Driftless Region,
Speaker 2: Driftless Glenn is a distillery I really liked that's up there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it is beautiful country. They call it God's country
Speaker 2: up there. It's beautiful to have this happening in your town.
Speaker 2: I believe you. I'm not gonna go up there, but
Speaker 2: crazy all right, So that's it. Bearaboo boone breaker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a what a wirre statistic fuck? I mean,
Speaker 3: he was into the pain and the feel of something
Speaker 3: that results in a lot of pain, way more than
Speaker 3: the killing. I feel like the killing is almost inconsequential,
Speaker 3: like it's just so he can keep doing it to
Speaker 3: other people later. Yeah, it's like to save himself fucking
Speaker 3: do it again. Not really because he wants to kill them,
Speaker 3: you know, like if it was into breaking next, that'd
Speaker 3: be a different story. But maybe that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he wants them alive as long as I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Understand why he goes for the femur. That's the biggest,
Speaker 3: momm that's the reason why you want to go for it.
Speaker 3: I understand, I understand.
Speaker 2: I can't even think about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't understand, but I understand.
Speaker 2: And then poor Chris Steiner, now that we know what
Speaker 2: happened to him, imagine having your legs shattered. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: I say the ankles and legs and then being thrown
Speaker 2: into water. You're fucked. Yeah, what a horrible way to go.
Speaker 3: Horrible way to go.
Speaker 2: I need more drink. I need more whiskey.
Speaker 3: I finished mine?
Speaker 2: M M. Anything else on this one? This was a
Speaker 2: really until short one for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It was No, I got nothing else.
Speaker 2: Well in that case, Oscar, I want to take us home.
Speaker 4: Let's do that.
Speaker 2: This is not bad.
Speaker 3: It burns a little, but it's nice, good, good. But
Speaker 3: it burns a while, like it's taking away my sin.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's making me a better man, right, putting hair in
Speaker 3: places I didn't want to initially a hair at.
Speaker 2: Right? Book? What's it called? I forgot what it's called.
Speaker 2: It's a collection of authors that continued in the vein
Speaker 2: of Stephen King's Stand. So it's like, you know, what
Speaker 2: happened during the stand in other parts of the world,
Speaker 2: what happened after the events of the book, you.
Speaker 3: Mean because the stand? And I never read the book,
Speaker 3: so I don't remember. Think I've seen one something a
Speaker 3: movie or a mini series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's yeah, a couple.
Speaker 3: It covers the world. It's not just in Maine, right,
Speaker 3: it's like it's like a world ending it is, right, So.
Speaker 4: It's that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just kind of picked up and ran with
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: Kind of like the war World war Z kind of
Speaker 3: aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one story was Astronauts in Space, you know,
Speaker 2: the captain trips broke out.
Speaker 3: So when the world went down, what happened up? There's
Speaker 3: going now with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What the story I'm reading right now is from
Speaker 2: that is cool?
Speaker 3: Is that only online?
Speaker 2: Or is it? No? I have it? I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: when I don't have that's a kindle Katie got me
Speaker 2: a Chuck the new Chuck Palain note book that that's
Speaker 2: the book, but I haven't started.
Speaker 3: That yet, so different authors would part to write their
Speaker 3: own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's not like there's not like a source where
Speaker 3: you can find it all of these things in one
Speaker 3: one book or one time. You have to find them
Speaker 3: all separately.
Speaker 2: Or no, no, no, it's one book. Okay, it's one, but
Speaker 2: it's one anthology, got it? What's it called? And it's
Speaker 2: in the the world of the Stamp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a cool idea.
Speaker 2: The one I'm reading right now actually to put it
Speaker 2: down because I was getting choked up in the dental. Oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you about tell you it was from
Speaker 2: the perspective of like wild African dogs painted wild African
Speaker 2: painted dogs. It's a real breed, but it's from their
Speaker 2: perspective in the zoo. What happens when there's no one
Speaker 2: there to take care of us anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's got these animals you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's from the perspective of the two dogs watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and was this commission? Stephen King backed it, So
Speaker 3: it's not like fan fiction that people then took put
Speaker 3: them together in the thing. What do you mean like
Speaker 3: fan fiction?
Speaker 2: Is you know this is a real Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: an actual I think.
Speaker 3: The commission and commission.
Speaker 2: Yeah he wrote that's a word and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: That's really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun like the twies.
Speaker 3: On the movie you know, they put like three big
Speaker 3: directors to make one toile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. So it's cool. I'm enjoying that.
Speaker 2: Then after that one have the New Damn Brown Book,
Speaker 2: and then after that one still writing he is, yeah, why,
Speaker 2: And then then after that is the Chuck Pound note Book.
Speaker 2: So I got a couple. I'm still getting there.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. I was so caught up on all
Speaker 3: pollinook written material. I was so caught up. I read
Speaker 3: like his first twenty.
Speaker 2: Or seventeen, and I think you got me on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure did at least his first like
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen. I read for sure, and then I
Speaker 3: just stopped. And I haven't picked up anything new. I
Speaker 3: know he's written many since. I probably have another ten
Speaker 3: least ten at leasts that I haven't seen or read.
Speaker 2: What is his new? I forgot the title. I'm drawing
Speaker 2: blanks right now. I don't know.
Speaker 3: For some reason. It's just like I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: just like I'm good. Yeah, maybe one day.
Speaker 2: It is called Shock Induction, that's what it's called. Released
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, October twenty twenty four, So I
Speaker 2: have that one in softcover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah to graph one of my books.
Speaker 3: I went to a book signing when to a borders
Speaker 3: when borders were still around, that's how long ago it was.
Speaker 2: It was for a book called Rant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got my Rants, say signed, that's
Speaker 3: really And he told me I had it because I
Speaker 3: don't know if you know the book. But it's about diseases. Well,
Speaker 3: it's about one disease, but this kid has like all
Speaker 3: these diseases. He creates a mass disease, like world ending epic.
Speaker 2: I have it.
Speaker 3: He puts in the jacket like he writes. He signs
Speaker 3: his name, and he puts like I was positive for
Speaker 3: the disease.
Speaker 2: Like that's cool. Remember guts Guts the short story guts.
Speaker 3: From the Haunted one? Or is it from a different one,
Speaker 3: because he has a couple of short story compilations stuff.
Speaker 2: I read Haunted too, Haunted. It's the one where the
Speaker 2: kid gets stuck to the pool. Oh my god, Yeah, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 3: I never looked at I think that might be that one.
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent. It could be stranger than fiction,
Speaker 3: or there's a there's at least one other one that
Speaker 3: I can't think of. But gots is not the title
Speaker 3: of any book that I know. It's I think it's
Speaker 3: a short story in one of those kind of but
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know which one I heard.
Speaker 3: When he does I remember that story. I remember that's
Speaker 3: very visually remember, like memorable.
Speaker 2: When he does it or when he used to do
Speaker 2: it like live people people said it was really fucking intense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah, I mean he gets there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he gets there. I also learned a lot about drugs
Speaker 3: do all of his books, like he has at least
Speaker 3: one person that knows intimate details about a certain kind
Speaker 3: of drug or a certain type of drug that they take.
Speaker 3: Invisible Monsters has like a whole ship about cosmetic drugs
Speaker 3: and ad evant ambient what's the difference, how many to take,
Speaker 3: what effect you want? Much to mix with alcohol? Will
Speaker 3: get into all that ship. Well, I know that he
Speaker 3: for sure like his youth he said before. I think
Speaker 3: an interview said he did do some of this stuff,
Speaker 3: like he knows a little, like he knows some stuff
Speaker 3: from personal use, but the rest is just research and
Speaker 3: maybe interviews. Who knows. I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was Pigmy.
Speaker 3: That was another one that was on the last that's
Speaker 3: the I think that was the last book I tried
Speaker 3: of his, the most recent book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I couldn't even tell you what it was about.
Speaker 3: I thought it was about it was about this. I
Speaker 3: think it was a North Korean boy adopted and something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was adopted by a white family in America. But
Speaker 3: his he was like one of those secret Russians, like
Speaker 3: you know, they're infortrating America through his adoption agency, and
Speaker 3: there were a whole point is to create chaos or
Speaker 3: destroy the American system. Something like that is a terrorist.
Speaker 3: And the way he thinks and speaks, because it's all
Speaker 3: through his perspective, is that it's very broken English. So
Speaker 3: the whole book is written in broken English. Okay, and
Speaker 3: that's what kind of I think that's what wrote me away,
Speaker 3: and not from all pollinook, but that's what rode me
Speaker 3: away from that book. Like I just couldn't really get
Speaker 3: the rhythm going. It's a cool idea, though, but I
Speaker 3: never I don't know how the story end is what. No, no,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that.
Speaker 2: There wasn't a soul.
Speaker 3: No, no, you missed it. And there was a lot
Speaker 3: of people there. I don't know what you saw. But
Speaker 3: there was a ship a ton of people in the
Speaker 3: horizon in the distance ship there was they were making houses.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a bunch of houses and shit.
Speaker 2: I thought I saw houses. But then when they like
Speaker 2: when they panned again, it seemed empty.
Speaker 3: No, those are shit, A ton of people there. They
Speaker 3: want the first ones. Maybe it was a cool death
Speaker 3: I mean the way he ended, like, yeah, it makes
Speaker 3: sense that he died right there, saving his family the
Speaker 3: very last.
Speaker 2: Many cool and the girl that they picked up along and.
Speaker 3: The girl, yes, which is like they basically picked up
Speaker 3: a wife or his son. Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: They met the guy for like eight hours and he's like,
Speaker 2: I've never met anyone I could trust more with my
Speaker 2: daughter than you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What I'm like, that's not my serience with Europeans Eusually
Speaker 3: they don't trust America.
Speaker 2: Okay, exactly, not even eight hours two hours later, right,
Speaker 2: that's pretty forced. You're right, I agree with you. It's
Speaker 2: not as good as he liked. The wife's cooking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and next he's like, take my daughter. It was I
Speaker 2: saw this.
Speaker 3: Really bizarre movie today that I really liked, but it's
Speaker 3: really hard to recommend. It's called Nirvana the Band, the Show,
Speaker 3: the movie. That's the name of the movie.
Speaker 2: What is it.
Speaker 3: It's not about Nirvana at all, not about Kirkcabaine nothing.
Speaker 3: It's about this these two guys that they did a
Speaker 3: show called Nirvana the Band, and back in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight or something, they ran for two seasons out
Speaker 3: of some local TV thing. It was very low budget.
Speaker 3: They're Canadian. Somehow they got enough money over the last
Speaker 3: I don't know, seventeen years to make a new movie.
Speaker 3: They make this movie. I had no idea. I had
Speaker 3: never seen the show I go in And this movie
Speaker 3: is about like the continuous It basically continues out from
Speaker 3: the last one, where is a two man band. One
Speaker 3: plays the piano.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: They're both eccentric and weird and kind of cookie. One
Speaker 3: of them is way more than the other and they're
Speaker 3: both trying to figure out. They're trying to scheme their
Speaker 3: way into getting a gig at like the best club
Speaker 3: or the best bar in the city in Toronto, which
Speaker 3: I think they're in Toronto. That's the whole point that
Speaker 3: that's what they've been doing for seventeen years, try to
Speaker 3: scheme their way into playing a set at this famous
Speaker 3: watering hole, and somehow they accidentally invent time travel. It's
Speaker 3: all very cookie comedy stuff. It invents time travel and
Speaker 3: it becomes this like low rent kind of like low
Speaker 3: rents in like the camera's very it's all very like
Speaker 3: self documentary, and it's the budget is very limited. It's
Speaker 3: all in their houses mainly like on the streets, and
Speaker 3: they combine like Borat and Back to the Future and
Speaker 3: all these weird stuff in it, it just becomes crazy.
Speaker 3: It just blows up with this in sanity. It's time
Speaker 3: to left and right. They're changing their lives. One of
Speaker 3: it becomes a huge successful music star, and it's like insane, right,
Speaker 3: It's also at the same time really funny and weird.
Speaker 3: I liked it a lot, but I didn't know where
Speaker 3: that movie was going. I've never heard of it. It
Speaker 3: sounds interesting. No one's heard of it. Only out this
Speaker 3: weekend is conn.
Speaker 2: After Oh what did you see it in the theaters? Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay today?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, have you heard of this Marky Plier movie? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Iron Lung, I tell you saw it.
Speaker 3: Really, I know, I'm not surprised that she saw it.
Speaker 3: She seems like very.
Speaker 2: Much every Wednesday they go to see something. No not.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, okay, you're right, but I'm not surprised
Speaker 3: that she would see it, giving her age like they
Speaker 3: would see they would know YouTube stars way more than
Speaker 3: you and I would.
Speaker 2: Well what happened though, because like they're saying, it's this
Speaker 2: whole conspiracy where you know, he found a way to
Speaker 2: circum circumvent Hollywood circumvent the normal funding people the bank,
Speaker 2: like the the machine, right, like the evil Hollywood machine,
Speaker 2: and do it himself. And then it was doing well
Speaker 2: like the first week or two, and then it was
Speaker 2: pulled from all theaters and now it's gone.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't know what that what that was.
Speaker 3: Maybe if it's some of that's true, maybe it was
Speaker 3: pulled in some cities, or maybe it was pulled all
Speaker 3: together for maybe a weekend, but I doubt it because
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it's still. I think I still found
Speaker 3: showings today or that or a few days ago.
Speaker 2: Obviously I didn't look into it, but like only.
Speaker 3: Because I go to the movies enough to notice that
Speaker 3: Iron Lung is playing every once in a while. Now
Speaker 3: it's not as much anymore as when I first came out.
Speaker 3: It's like maybe Champions once a day, I think, one
Speaker 3: showing and anything.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't.
Speaker 3: Say the circumventing thing. That happens a lot more. It
Speaker 3: just happens very differently than you think it does. For example,
Speaker 3: remember that movie Red State.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was that was That was was not.
Speaker 3: The first, but that was one of one of those pioneering,
Speaker 3: you know, non Hollywood machines, Okay, you know the movie Centers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's owned entirely by the director. No movie is owned
Speaker 3: by anyone that's not a studio. He owns that movie.
Speaker 3: Ryan Coogler owns his own.
Speaker 2: Really wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least for the ten years that he's got
Speaker 3: the rights for damn Like. So it's not the first,
Speaker 3: not even recently, but sooner as was last year.
Speaker 2: It wasn't, but it is rare.
Speaker 3: You're right, it is rare. But also we just had
Speaker 3: Sundance going on Sundances. It's what it's all sundance. It's
Speaker 3: all independent movies. So let's say I tap the city,
Speaker 3: make a movie.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: I go to every business, every person, I know, every
Speaker 3: family member, right, you max all your credit cards. You
Speaker 3: make a movie, you scheduled to sundance, then a distributor
Speaker 3: to pick it up. Then a studio, a twenty four
Speaker 3: or paramount whatever, they pick it up to mass produced
Speaker 3: or to put it in theaters and stuff. So that's
Speaker 3: the normal way, typical way, and the independent movie we'll
Speaker 3: get to ris the regular people's but that this is
Speaker 3: in a studio picture. A studio picture normally would be
Speaker 3: they fund everything, they find the director of the casting
Speaker 3: and they put all the like the mor of movies, right,
Speaker 3: they put the three hundred million dollars into vfcs or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then they make it and release their own movie
Speaker 3: as a product, so they can make money off of obviously.
Speaker 3: But when they when within the pendent movies, they go
Speaker 3: shopping during Sundance, they're like, Okay, we'll offer you thirty
Speaker 3: five million dollars. If a twenty four sees that, like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll offer you forty.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what this market player did.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, I know, I think he's circlemented
Speaker 3: all that. He made his own movie. He has the
Speaker 3: money to make his own movie without like having to
Speaker 3: beg for people. So he has no staples, no contracts
Speaker 3: with even independent business owners that would have given him money,
Speaker 3: like to a poor person like me, right, because he
Speaker 3: doesn't need it. He's just millions of dollars in his
Speaker 3: own But he has to make a deal with the distribution.
Speaker 3: The distribution, he has to make a deal with the theaters.
Speaker 3: I don't know how he did that, but there was
Speaker 3: something he had to do there. But most likely he
Speaker 3: had connections I guess. Interesting, But that's a bit. That's
Speaker 3: because he can do it because he is one of
Speaker 3: those influencers. I can probably to get that far.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure soon we'll see me.
Speaker 3: I mean Red State had a very short theatrical run.
Speaker 3: But you can't buy that movie. I mean you can
Speaker 3: buy now, I think finally, But that thing is it
Speaker 3: wasn't nowhere to be onun Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good movie too. I liked that movie.
Speaker 2: That was a good movie. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree. It's also much harder than what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of stipulations, but that's hopefully how
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you said you didn't see Iron Lung, but
Speaker 2: tell I like it. She did, She said she liked it.
Speaker 3: It's a horror movie it is.
Speaker 2: Is it about polio? Right?
Speaker 3: Isn't that what the Aaron lun comes from?
Speaker 2: The term and one of those diseases? Yeah, back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh I saw sent Help. That was a good movie.
Speaker 3: Sam Raimi's new movie. Yes, that's a good movie. You
Speaker 3: like Drag Me to Hell? Right, it's very drag Me
Speaker 3: to Hell energy.
Speaker 2: I want to see a Dragon Me Hell part two.
Speaker 3: He doesn't do man, let it go. I do want
Speaker 3: to spend like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Did she see it. No, I don't think she did
Speaker 2: tell you. I want to see it.
Speaker 3: You should show your Italia to drag me to hell.
Speaker 3: If she ends up liking so help sand help and
Speaker 3: drag me to hell. Very like same. You could tell
Speaker 3: it's same director. You could help right away. It's a
Speaker 3: kid's comedy but horrifying.
Speaker 2: It's like, so it's out.
Speaker 3: It's in the theaters, not for much longer though, it's
Speaker 3: been out for like three weeks, so catch it soon
Speaker 3: if you're going to do it. Okay, I saw Good Luck,
Speaker 3: have fun, don't die.
Speaker 2: I heard of it.
Speaker 3: That's a fun bonkers movie, doesn't make any sense, but
Speaker 3: it's like a sci fi movie. It's like, has some
Speaker 3: real dark humor, like has this insanely dark humor bit
Speaker 3: about school shootings where well, it's said in this future,
Speaker 3: not really future, it's not true. It's it's basically a
Speaker 3: movie about AI and how much we should fear AI.
Speaker 3: But it's a sci fi premise, so it's like all
Speaker 3: very exploded into this action adventures heading. But one of
Speaker 3: the things is that one of the characters flashbacks is
Speaker 3: that they're a teacher and oh no, wait, this person's
Speaker 3: son gets involved in a school shooting and he gets
Speaker 3: killed in a school shooting, and she becomes aware that
Speaker 3: there is this government approved service will they will replace
Speaker 3: your son with a robot through AI as close as
Speaker 3: possible to the characteristics of your lost child. And what
Speaker 3: she doesn't know, and she finds out soon enough, is
Speaker 3: that a this is a booming business and that be
Speaker 3: there are many mothers that she encounters that also lost
Speaker 3: children through school shootings that to them, this is a Tuesday.
Speaker 3: They've done this multiple times. They encountered a couple who've
Speaker 3: had their child, the same child killed in school shootings
Speaker 3: four times.
Speaker 2: And it's toot you like a laugh.
Speaker 3: Like a dark humans like that's a type of document.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot more to it than that. But
Speaker 3: that's a that's a weird movie. I liked it. It
Speaker 3: was weird though it's hard. It's you might love it
Speaker 3: or hate it. I don't know, Okay, Milania, if you
Speaker 3: want to see a horror movie, have you seen it?
Speaker 3: No one's seen that movie.
Speaker 2: I thought it made like it was the highest grossing
Speaker 2: independent know that there was a category where it was
Speaker 2: the nose about it.
Speaker 3: No, I just didn't know it. So I didn't know
Speaker 3: if you were being sarcastic. No, because they did announce
Speaker 3: those they did say that. But they're lying and they're
Speaker 3: overblowing it.
Speaker 2: Oh, really not true.
Speaker 3: The only reason that it's the most highest grossing documentary
Speaker 3: in recent years is because no documentaries get released in theaters.
Speaker 3: That's why it's not because it's because they're the only
Speaker 3: documentary in recent years that've been released.
Speaker 2: That's They're so stupid.
Speaker 3: That's how they are. My god, how they are. That's
Speaker 3: exactly how they other lines.
Speaker 2: You trust me?
Speaker 3: And no one's watched that movie, and that on ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent score for the audience. It's all them. It's
Speaker 3: not real. It's all their bots and ship it's not real,
Speaker 3: not real. No one's watching this movie. And people who
Speaker 3: are hitting it. They were paying people to watch this movie.
Speaker 2: Why did they are you serious? Why did they make
Speaker 2: it in the first place?
Speaker 3: Because they think they deserve all the line because they
Speaker 3: they don't know the difference between selfish and ego and
Speaker 3: where the line is detached. Wow, I almost want to
Speaker 3: see it, but I would only see it if I
Speaker 3: never pay for it, Like I think all pirate is
Speaker 3: just to see how bad it is. Sucking trash.
Speaker 2: It is she in it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's sucking. That's an approved Trump approved thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's in it. She's the subject, so she is body.
Speaker 2: It's not someone playing her.
Speaker 3: It is now as far as I know, I mean,
Speaker 3: she must.
Speaker 2: She must needed a project. She was bored. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: it's I don't know what that is. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't believe we live in this world where that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's basically almost state of proved propaganda. I
Speaker 3: assume I have no idea what it is because I
Speaker 3: haven't seen an yet and I probably won't never see it.
Speaker 2: He might give he might give us the disclosure. So
Speaker 2: I'm not poo pooing on him yet. Oh I am.
Speaker 2: I want the disclosure. I've done been No one child
Speaker 2: is worth anything. A lot of people are saying he's
Speaker 2: going to he's going to be the one that he's
Speaker 2: doing it just bread and circuses, bro, give us the
Speaker 2: Aliens brand and circuses. Every every feed there is is flooded.
Speaker 2: Whatever app you're on, whatever platform, you can't get away
Speaker 2: from it. So one day I said, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start looking up some of these things that i've
Speaker 2: because I've avoided it. I haven't because you don't know
Speaker 2: what's true and what's false, what's real, what's propaganda, what's
Speaker 2: what's ai you know, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, but we've also touched on this topic a lot.
Speaker 3: In other words, just thought this island specifically, we're just
Speaker 3: so many.
Speaker 2: Like the the owl thing or Bohemian Grove.
Speaker 3: Thank you him and grow like we mentioned this many.
Speaker 2: Maybe the problem is I sat down and I spent
Speaker 2: maybe an hour, yeah, during work hours, so I was
Speaker 2: getting paid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent, And I'll make sure I tell your.
Speaker 2: Employer if it's in the outtakes. I'm kidding, what's that
Speaker 2: in there? Now? So I went to the Government's of
Speaker 2: the FBI site and I started typing in these like
Speaker 2: dominent numbers. There's document numbers where you know, I'm Instagram.
Speaker 2: I don't do TikTok er on Instagram. People will put
Speaker 2: up these crazy claims and then put a document number
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah. So I started looking up some of
Speaker 2: those document numbers and it was real, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: they're really like it's I would say ninety five percent
Speaker 2: of the maybe twenty or so. It is disgusting things
Speaker 2: that I looked up.
Speaker 3: Real, it's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Jay yeah, so I don't know, you.
Speaker 3: Don't know what about covering it, you mean, or just
Speaker 3: my opinions of it. I mean, again, we've been saying
Speaker 3: this kind of thing before.
Speaker 2: It's it's too too real. Yeah, it's too far out there,
Speaker 2: it's I don't know, I don't know. But there's other
Speaker 2: things to talk about.
Speaker 3: Those snipers, we believe that. I'm just saying, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Just saw something about that not too long ago. Matter
Speaker 2: of fact, Yeah, what was gonna say. I'm not surprised, honestly,
Speaker 2: but there's been other ones that have been very popular
Speaker 2: that turned out to be fake.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're definitely fake ones for.
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, and there's millions of pages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the Ebstince thing. I also don't look at
Speaker 3: it too too deeply because A, I know, I know
Speaker 3: that a lot of Israel already from sources that I've trusted,
Speaker 3: and that I've found two other sources to go along,
Speaker 3: because I've you're kind of your kind of ethos on
Speaker 3: the show. I follow that to real life as much
Speaker 3: as I can with news, because there's so much out
Speaker 3: there that we don't know to trust, I mean, and
Speaker 3: I believe that to a point where like Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: convinced this is happening. This has happened, and I don't
Speaker 3: know what else is happening. Will capacity elsewhere today to
Speaker 3: recuperate those kind of things, because which people are born,
Speaker 3: they gotta do something. I don't know to what level
Speaker 3: that goes on, but I believe it, and I stop
Speaker 3: looking at it because I'm like anymore, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: get angry all the fucking time because I can't stand
Speaker 3: this is this is really heartbreaking to read all this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking, and there's way more stories at home that's heartbreaking,
Speaker 3: much less some of the islands. Not that it's dismissive,
Speaker 3: but like there's only so much you can read and
Speaker 3: constantly read on it. So every time they come up
Speaker 3: with something new or a new set of pages or
Speaker 3: a new chapter of this fucking f steam files or
Speaker 3: emails or whatever, which, by the way, terrible email.
Speaker 2: Some of them too, Like you almost have to think,
Speaker 2: is that shit, Well did he plant that stuff? Because
Speaker 2: very stupid dude.
Speaker 3: No, people come on, people are especially the Thinky're gonna
Speaker 3: get away with it no matter what.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe I don't know, because there are other conversations
Speaker 2: he's had in those messages and those emails where he said,
Speaker 2: I can't talk about this here.
Speaker 3: I find that out very few rich people are actually
Speaker 3: that smart. I mean very few of them are.
Speaker 2: Some people say he was stupid.
Speaker 3: Most of the really rich people are inherited, like they're not,
Speaker 3: you know, and yeah, they lock down a few business
Speaker 3: deals and now they own this, but it's because they
Speaker 3: had that much to play with, you know. I'm saying
Speaker 3: it's not the same. I really don't have I don't
Speaker 3: think they're that's smart at all. Most of these people know, You've.
Speaker 2: Got a point. A lot of people said Epstein is
Speaker 2: not a smart person.
Speaker 3: Like the ice sens of the world don't get that
Speaker 3: money most most of the time. I'm saying one in
Speaker 3: ten maybe of those geniuses get that kind of you know,
Speaker 3: that's the scumbags, and it usually becomes scumbags, right exactly, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: you're right. They're not angels either.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't so I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: I understand what I'm saying. I went to a point
Speaker 3: where I stopped reading only because, like I believe it's
Speaker 3: out there to what details, I don't know for sure,
Speaker 3: because it's constantly coming in and coming new things. But
Speaker 3: I know enough to say that it's real and it's
Speaker 3: out there and it's disgusting and I can't read it
Speaker 3: anymore because I needed to live my life. Yeah, but like,
Speaker 3: I know it's true, and I don't need to read
Speaker 3: anymore to not to like I feel like, why don't
Speaker 3: need to confuse myself too much more?
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: It's really just happened. To what degree, I don't know
Speaker 3: for sure, But that's for other people whose jobs is
Speaker 3: to figure out to do it Soma.
Speaker 2: Those people who had to redact.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't wait to see the documentaries on
Speaker 3: this stuff, assuming that's made by the.
Speaker 2: Valid Crewe's reputable. Yeah, it's gonna happen other people in
Speaker 2: a lot of times. It's gonna happen that he's alive,
Speaker 2: He's out there running around. There's pictures of people who
Speaker 2: look like him in like Israel.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I heard about those. Those I don't really
Speaker 3: believe those are hard to find. Two sources on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or that Michael Jackson was killed because he was
Speaker 2: trying to get kids way.
Speaker 3: From about her that I heard about, that.
Speaker 2: Ellen degenerous eats people, is a cannibal. The biggest cannibal
Speaker 2: in Hollywood or so, like.
Speaker 3: Any thing about Alan generous is that I found to
Speaker 3: be true. That's negative is that she's kind of an asshole,
Speaker 3: bitch of a person, never meets your heroes kind of person.
Speaker 4: But that's it.
Speaker 2: I don't hear like, which is probably half the people.
Speaker 3: Like I could see her Itania eting somebody and tripping
Speaker 3: them or something on the stand.
Speaker 2: I can see that, But I'm not gonna searing people
Speaker 2: the babies specifically, right, you know, Yeah, but then you
Speaker 2: know those photos came out with Prince Andrew, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's kneeling over that chick.
Speaker 3: But we've also been very much disheartened and fooled by
Speaker 3: these uber celebrities that we adore betraying us. I mean,
Speaker 3: England has had so many and because their laws are
Speaker 3: much more in play than ours, because mas are much
Speaker 3: more malleable. No, ours are definitely malleable depending on how
Speaker 3: much money you have, and there's isn't as much. They
Speaker 3: are able to prosecute more. That's whether they're going a
Speaker 3: lot more prosecution work these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went down, he's going down.
Speaker 3: And you think about that one guy, the one who
Speaker 3: wade those kids after he died and they found out,
Speaker 3: like like that's a sucking icon figured you know how
Speaker 3: rare that is, you know, and it's obas is going
Speaker 3: to happen more and again people, So we just can't
Speaker 3: believe it as Americans that our heroes are and celebrities
Speaker 3: are doing it. But it's you know, so many of them.
Speaker 3: Some of them's got do it that they have to.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know. Yeah, I'm curious what
Speaker 2: they're going to find at the Zero Ranch in New Mexico.
Speaker 3: I heard about that.
Speaker 2: Do they say that, you know, the island was one thing,
Speaker 2: but the real heavy ship went down in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now they're saying they're going to start
Speaker 2: researching that property. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, these days I'm more worried about and only
Speaker 3: because there's more of a threat around me is the
Speaker 3: ice stuff. It's more worried. Minnesota was huge, Yeah, Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ going on over there, dude, I almost went over there, Minnesota,
Speaker 3: of all places. iMOS went over that to process with them.
Speaker 3: But really I couldn't afford.
Speaker 2: It, like you would think it would have been in
Speaker 2: La or Chicago or New York. But fucking Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is that that tells you, that
Speaker 3: kind of tells you. What scared me about that is
Speaker 3: that it tells me that it's happening everywhere.
Speaker 2: Could happen anywhere, Yeah, well no.
Speaker 3: But it's happening everywhere. Now those tragedies to that level
Speaker 3: is happening right now in Minnesota. The point is it's
Speaker 3: happening everywhere, that these tragedies are open to happen at
Speaker 3: any any time. Arizona, Maine.
Speaker 2: It's fucked up.
Speaker 3: It's really fucked up. Yep, you can see why our
Speaker 3: people want to leave.
Speaker 2: Well, you got that, then you gotta worry about people
Speaker 2: eating each other on top of it. Saintan worshipers Jesus Christ. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what bingo card?
Speaker 3: You know, don't forget dungeons and dragons. So oh wait,
Speaker 3: that's the.
Speaker 2: Eighties, the Lesser of two Evils on that one.
Speaker 3: But there's so many bad ones. In my point, there's
Speaker 3: not many top Gun Mavericks. No, yeah, that was good
Speaker 3: and screams and screams because the scheams are good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to see Top Gun Maverick again.
Speaker 2: That was a great one.
Speaker 3: I heard that they finally announced. This is so dumb.
Speaker 2: This is so dumb.
Speaker 3: There was a final announce finally an announcement for Fast eleven.
Speaker 4: Stop.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, how could they still be going? Well?
Speaker 3: Did you watch Fast ten?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, well then I think I maybe saw part of
Speaker 2: Fast one. Oh really, they're good with Paula. I never
Speaker 2: got into it.
Speaker 3: They're fine. I mean, they're good action movies. Man, they're
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. Oh yeah, they're a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: I mean doing It's Heyday, because It's Heyday came surprisingly
Speaker 3: when part three came out, and Part five and six,
Speaker 3: those the best times for the Fast and Furious, like
Speaker 3: those are the best movies three, five and six of
Speaker 3: the best movie. Seven A is still good. Nine is
Speaker 3: okay getting a little fucked up here. Ten was equal
Speaker 3: parts fun and terrible, like it was like one of
Speaker 3: those things. But ten famously ends on a cliffanger. It's
Speaker 3: like a big two parter event. And that was like
Speaker 3: two years ago at least. And now they're taking they
Speaker 3: haven't even started filming yet. They didn't even have a
Speaker 3: director yet. That's how late this next one is. And
Speaker 3: it left on a cliffanger. We don't know anything. It's
Speaker 3: a real ship show. It's a real ship show with
Speaker 3: a fast.
Speaker 2: Eleven or fere Is eleven whatever color, the bare boo
Speaker 2: bone breaker. Do you remember that one?
Speaker 3: Nope, you have to remind me. Nope, I remember a
Speaker 3: written Nope. At least I'm honest, we were. I remember
Speaker 3: a few times I would get beat up like outside
Speaker 3: and then you know I would with a swollen cheek.
Speaker 3: I would be sent just cool. Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. You know if Niko spends a
Speaker 2: lot of time on a laptop too, but he'll also
Speaker 2: put it down and go out when his friends are here.
Speaker 2: They're running around, theyghborhood, walk into the store, them over.
Speaker 3: I see them man on Halloween.
Speaker 2: He's running everywhere, and just go just just go get out.
Speaker 3: I mean, just just chip your kid already it seems like.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, he's gotten the gnarly road rashes and
Speaker 2: shipped from his bike and skateboards, and.
Speaker 3: My knees are still like there's still you can still
Speaker 3: see like the scars. Most times I fucking fall on
Speaker 3: my bike.
Speaker 2: Makes it tough, dude. I sprained up.
Speaker 3: I skinned the ship out of this name. At least
Speaker 3: I knew I fell correctly, though I always fell on
Speaker 3: my knees and face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have a lot of.
Speaker 3: Scars on me though from the ship like that.
Speaker 2: Because you had a good childhood, that means you're a
Speaker 2: good childhood man.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I disagretated my childhood, but like it's not
Speaker 3: because of that.
Speaker 2: Were your parents really strict when you were growing up?
Speaker 3: No, they were, They were in part partly strict. It's
Speaker 3: more like impulse, like most things with parents. Says that
Speaker 3: it's more the impulse, whatever impulse they're in you. So
Speaker 3: they're angry, ad fucking take it on you. But if
Speaker 3: they're not, they're not. But it's it's they were mainly
Speaker 3: absent because they both had the two jobs and shit
Speaker 3: like there's like a lot of absentees.
Speaker 2: And the latch key kids, Yeah that was one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there was a lot of family around,
Speaker 3: a lot of people we knew, and you know, living
Speaker 3: in the same house sometimes for a while before they
Speaker 3: found their own homes. So it's not like people were
Speaker 3: never there, but there was large swats of time where
Speaker 3: they weren't around, so after school before so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what year were you born in? Eighty four? Eighty four? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was still latch keys in eighty four for sure.
Speaker 2: I feel like it died out in like the two
Speaker 2: thousands for some reason. But eighties nineties absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was probably the last bit of people that did that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had that.
Speaker 3: It was probably the last part of that generation that
Speaker 3: had it. You were like in the middle somewhere, and
Speaker 3: then there was like a.
Speaker 2: Few more before. Yeah, it's all dude, we did all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: fready spaghetty. Yeah, Okay, I don't know. Studian fign F
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