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Speaker 1: It is the Big Twelve Xstency breakdown, top of Jump

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to Bridge as You're with you and they come Francis

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book at Hope, the Big Twelve in the Southeastern Conference.

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As we do each and every week, we begin with

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our hot takes, as we always do. And my hot

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take this week, Tom, I'm not one for moral victories,

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but I gotta tell you, Tom, call me crazy. I

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know Tennessee lost to Georgia at home, but I came

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away more impressed with Tennessee than I did Georgia because

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let me explain. Let me explain, folks, before you think

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I sound like a moron. And all this hear me

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out on here. Joey Aguilart has only been there since

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what May June, coming over from UCLA, an app state,

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and is still learning this offense. And the offense looked

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fantastic and he threw two interceptions in that game. I

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think aguilar is only going to improve. I think Georgia

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we kind of know who they are. They remind me

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of the Philadelphia Eagles in that sense of they're a

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physical football team that plays good defense. I mean, I

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can't imagine Georgia getting better than what they are right now.

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And I very well could be wrong on this. Tennessee.

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I still think there's another mountain for them to climb.

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I think they're going to get better as the season

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goes along. They nearly won that game, probably should have

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won that game if you ask their kicker, based on

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how that ended up finishing out. But I think Tennessee

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is still in really good shape. They had a good

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non conference win against Syracuse a few weeks ago. Tom,

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I know that that sounds bizarre to say, but I

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think that Tennessee is We could be having a discussion

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maybe in December or January, where they're actually the better

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team than what Georgie is, even though they lost them

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at home. Am I crazy for saying that?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, I mean help.

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Speaker 4: Kirby Smart even said after the game he kind of

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felt like, he said, he felt the need to apologize,

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or maybe he said he felt a little dirty because

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of how well Tennessee played and thought Tennessee should have

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won that game. Then he just finished his comment with,

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you know, that's kind of where it goes sometimes. So

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I praise there for Kirby Smart And yeah, I thought

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I thought Georgia was was you know, gonna maybe smack

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him around a little bit more. But uh, Tennessee even

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you know that, whatever you want to call it, it's

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a good loss, a quality loss, and you move on

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to the next week. I think Tennessee is going to

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be just fine. I think you're right. In December we

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might be talking about him saying, hey, are they going

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to be somewhere in the playoff race?

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Speaker 1: Right? And did they upgrade the quarterback position? When you

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see Nico struggles at UCLA there owing three, they fired

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their head coach to Sean Foster and Joey Aguilar the

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life that he's brought to that offense. If he can

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cut back on the turnovers, then they're gonna be in

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really good shape. I will say, even though I came

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away more impressed at Tennessee, even though they lost, I

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think Tom we had to give credit to Gunner Stockton

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for one moment. The George quarterback. There was a lot

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of concerns about him entering twenty twenty five, after not

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playing great at all in that playoff game against Notre

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Dame and barely holding on to beat Texas. There in

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the SEC Championship, Gunner Stockton looked really good and made

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some fantastic throws, put up some really good numbers here.

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he I believe is good enough for George to get

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the job done. And we've seen that Kirby Smart has

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been successful not always having the best quarterbacks. When you

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look at Jake from Stetson, Bennett and others, they've won

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without having superstars. Remember they chase Justin Fields out the

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door to Ohio State and kept Jake from hindsight being

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twenty twenty. That was a mistake, but it's still ultimately

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worked out okay for Georgia here. I think Gunner he's

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not gonna be winning the Heisman by any stretch of

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the imagination, but they got enough talent around him. I

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think they're fine.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they're fine. That This is how they

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Speaker 4: You don't need a you don't need the Heisman quarterback

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back there for Georgia to win, uh and you never

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really have. So, I mean that's like their m you know,

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they're they're really good at all other positions, usually really

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good at running back and wide receiver, and they have

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the quarterback that's you know, it sometimes can be that star,

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but it's more or less a little bit better than

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a game manager and it works out for him.

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Speaker 1: All right, where do you want to go for your

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna stay away from the big twelve.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick in the SEC and I'm going to

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just say how disappointed I am in South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you have this game at home.

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Speaker 4: Versus Vanderbilt, and I know credit where credits due to

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Vanderbilt started to come around more on?

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Speaker 1: Uhh uh? Is diego?

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Speaker 4: The real real deal is Vanderbilt? Was last season a

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flash in the pan or not? I'm starting to believe

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it it was not. But you lose on Family Weekend

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in Columbia, South Carolina to Vanderbilt thirty one to seven.

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Wasn't even close. You just get your ass handed to you.

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Everybody was riding high on South Carolina. I was riding high.

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I was believing in the game Cocks. And you go

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out and just like a fucking gamecock chicken, you lay

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Speaker 2: And now.

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Speaker 4: You you were in Columbia, South Carolina, and now you

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go to Columbia, Missouri, and it doesn't get any easier

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for you, and they have to play a game versus

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Missoo at night. If I'm a betting man, I'm slapping

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a fifty spot on Missoo to cover.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at their upcoming schedule Miszoo Kentucky. Kentucky's not

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that great, but they hung in there with Old Miss.

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might be the best team in the country, Oklahoma and

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then they finished the year with their arch rival Clemson.

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already timed right off South Carolina? I mean, you see,

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I mean, Sellers, is you supposed to play this week

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against Missoo? So that certainly helps, but you lose thirty

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one to seven. That doesn't make me confident that you're

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gonna get out of the rest of that schedule without

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more losses coming.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I'm gonna say they're gonna lose this

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weekend against Miszoo. You're gonna lose versus LSU. Oh, who's

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looking real good Alabama? Well, I don't know that that

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probably win Clemson. Who knows where the season goes. I mean,

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but so uh so we're talking about it.

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Speaker 1: At least we're talking about at least three losses, if

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not more. And I think that a three loss team

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in the SEC is probably not good enough to make

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the playoff.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: And it was all that hype, all that hype they had,

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you know, all that hype they got, and now it's

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just like the balloon is a little deflated.

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far they can actually go. I know Klay Travis has

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them as the number one team in his SEC power

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rankings this week and one of the top teams in

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the country. I think that's a huge reach. The credit

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for credits due. They looked awesome. Uh Diego Pavilla looked great.

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I do love the side bet he had going with Theo. Vaughn.

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a date with Diego's mom, and now THEO is trying

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to set up uh Diego with Tate McRae. The pop singer.

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Tate mcray concert in Dallas tonight with with one of

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the uh the Phoenix ladies, but uh, you know, things changed.

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Zona State's Planet Baylor. But you know I digress.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But David Ray and Diego, if if that's the next

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power couple, and if THEO can score Diego's mom, then

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if all those things can happen, then I'll buy Stock

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and Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Taylor Swift shows up for Travis

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kelcey and the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl. Tay McCrae

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shows up for Diego Pavilla and Vandy's going to the playoff.

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Speaker 3: I like Diego and Tate better than Taylor and Travis.

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Speaker 1: I do, too, Swift.

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Speaker 4: He's may kill me for it, but really I like

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Theo's mom. Ur THEO with Diego's mom. That's that's that's

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my power couple.

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Speaker 1: She's a nurse and THEO wants to be with a nurse.

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I think that sounds great. That's a big one. I'm

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here for it. Uh. Tapac Ray stunning by the way.

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but hey, you know she's legal. You know she can.

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I can buy our beer, So Tay, I'll put the

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same extend, the same extension that Diego and Tale win.

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If you want to go on a date with me,

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Tate mcraid by all means, I'll drive back up to

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Dallas right now. I'm supposed to go to Tom's karaoke.

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I'll ditch those plans, and he'll understand. If you've got

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nothing going on after the concert tonight.

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Speaker 3: I would ditch. I would ditch karaoke for it too.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on now and talk about a couple headlines

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going on some news coming out today.

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Speaker 4: Tom.

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Speaker 1: Kansas and Arizona State are going to play in London

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in twenty twenty six, and I have a couple ideas

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on this. Tom. Number one, I know that it doesn't

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seem like that it really helps college football to do

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too many of these international games, because it's it's not

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an international sport. The NFL, you know, they've been trying,

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and they're not getting nearly as much progress as they

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would like you to think. It seems like a waste

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for college football to do this, But then what it

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involves your team, Then my mindset starts to change a

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little bit, Like you know what. I like the idea.

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It gives me excuse to go to London. I can

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see my team play, great experience with these players. I'm in.

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I'll go. I'll make the trip to London conference game

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against Arizona State. That sounds great. And then I think

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for a moment, Okay, they announce what the date looks

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like and they're talking about not playing this week zero

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but during the middle non con play and then come

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back the very next week to play Miszoo at home.

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That's dumb. Okay, Miszoo's been winning ten games every year

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the last three years. Maszoo just beat him a couple

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of weeks ago as well. I like the idea theory,

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but I don't like the execution process surrounding this so far.

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Arizona State when it comes to building their brands, especially

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two programs that think they're ascending. I think it's great

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for the Big Twelve and Brett Yormark who wants to

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build this Big twelve brand all of that big picture,

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it sounds good but the other factors of oh, yeah,

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these teams are trying to win a Big twelve title,

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they're trying to win the playoff, and you're getting the

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College for All playoff and you're gonna play Miszoo the

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next week. That's where I sound the alarm a bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the execution is the part that's not good. I mean,

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it's kind of like a equivalent of an NBA back

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to back right after a road trip just doesn't bode well.

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Speaker 3: It's exciting, sure, but yeah, I mean if I was you,

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have to show me a lot more before I would

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even travel to the next fucking town to see them.

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so happy I did. That's one of the best decisions

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you wouldn't obviously ascending programs. You know, Arizona State was

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in the playoff, kuh has those aspirations. If that was

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my team, I would I would fly to London to

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Speaker 1: Tom I would put it this way a tough pill

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pretty much have to accept that you are going to

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lose one of those two games, whether it's too Arizona

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State there or coming home home the next week in

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plaguing Maszoo if things stay as is. I think that's

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what's kind of a tough pill to squad, is that

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it's hard to imagine winning both those.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then just think of the nightmare coming back

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where you lose the first one mm hmm and you

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have that hangover and then you have to play again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you go into your season's done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll see. There's still time they can figure

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some things out. I like the idea in theory, but

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that trip and see if we can potentially make that happen.

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We'll see how that goes from there. Tom One more

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note before we get to the schedule. This week, the

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NCAA officially removed the spring transfer portal window, so there's

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only gonna be one portal window now. It's gonna be

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in December. Before the college football playoff, So that's not ideal.

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Think about last year Penn State lost their backup quarterback

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before the playoff to Miszoo, and he's bawling out by

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the way. He's done a really good job this season,

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and it's like, oh shit, we don't have our backup

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quarterback and we're about to go compete for a championship here.

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is still there. I was listening to Pat McAfee talk

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about this today. Tom. It's one of those deals where

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it's a step in the right direction, but it's still

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not a perfect science yet. This is going to one

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portal window is a good idea, but we still have

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the timing of this off. I would like to see

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this after spring ball, sometime in April and May. You're

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finishing up your semester, and then you make the move

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from there. I think this also will discourage more of

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the transfer portal by not having two windows. This is

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a good thing, but it's still not where it needs

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Speaker 3: Right. I think it's a step in the right direction.

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I'm sure, I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 4: As it goes, they'll see how it all works out

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and see who goes where, and and maybe tweak it

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again if necessary. So you know, I'm happy with it.

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Small process changes, you know, get it right. You know

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it didn't have to be all right all at once,

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just as long as we're getting in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll through the Big twelve slate of games this week,

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starting tonight with Tulsa in Oklahoma States. The Cowboys eleven

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and a half point favorites. Here, Tom, Oklahoma State's got

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to win tonight. I don't know how the quarterback situation

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all that's gonna play out, but for anybody to have

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any hope whatsoever, no excuse to lose.

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Speaker 4: Tulsa, Yeah, there's there's no excuse. I think they go

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as she wins, but I don't think they cover.

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech taking on Utah Top seventeen matchup, maybe the

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two best teams in the Big twelve conference. Early start

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in Salt Lake City, ten am local time for this one.

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Two very good teams, and the winner of this game

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Tom might have a leg up on winning the Big

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twelve race.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Who are you taking here? I'm leaning towards Utah, but

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I feel like this is close to a fifty to

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fifty contest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would. I would only go money

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line on this. I don't know what the line is,

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but I'd lean towards Utah as well.

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Speaker 1: Utah so two and a half point favorites. SMU in

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TCU the last time these two teams will be meeting

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for the foreseeable future. Ashamed to see this rivalry go away.

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TCUs at home their six and a half point favorites.

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Two very good quarterbacks going up head to head in

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this game between Hoover and Jennings. TCU two and zero,

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SEMU two and one lost our heartbreaker to Baylor a

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couple of weeks ago. Tom I leaned towards TCU, but

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SEMU is a very good football team in their own right.

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I think we're gonna see a lot of points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 4: This seems like a classic what we what we knew

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is a classic Big twelve shootout.

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Speaker 1: I think we could see that here North Carolina taking

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on UCF. North Carolina two and one, u c F

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two and oh UCF at home their seven and a

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half point favorites. I haven't liked what I've seen from Belichick.

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UCF under new head coach Scott Frost. Here, I think

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I lean towards UCF, but I don't think it's gonna

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be a pretty game for either team.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. And I think what's the weather forecast,

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and I think there's a lot of rain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be a be a tough game

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to watch. I think I do like UCF though.

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Speaker 1: Here can you take it on West Virginia. West Virginia

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with a big win last week at home against pitt

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in the backyard brawl. They're sitting at two and one.

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Can you two and one? Their first game since the

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loss against Missou. You know Daniels has played good high

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show's running the ball well coming off that bye week,

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tom kay you at home? I expect this team to

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be refocused and rejuvenated. Home crowd at night at the booth.

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I think, k you could win this wins decisively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 4: I think we'll see what, you know, if West Virginia

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can maintain focus after you know, that rivalry game, and

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if this was in Morgantown, I would be a little spooky.

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I think they'll be safe in Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Arizona State and Baylor Baylor two and a half point favorite. Tom.

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I think everybody at the beginning of the year would

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have said that Arizona State probably wins this one with ease.

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But Baylor's offense has looked really good. They're one loss

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at home Auburn doesn't look so bad now. Arizona State

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had that bad loss to Mississippi State a couple of

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weeks ago. Sawyer Robertson looks fantastic at quarterback for Baylor,

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Levitt doesn't look like his normal self at this point.

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good spot. I still lean towards Arizona State, but wouldn't

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surprise me if Baylor wins at home.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there what I think. I think Arizona State's good.

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I think it's time to figure it out. I think

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Arizona State not a maybe he must win. I think

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after get embarrassed against Mississippi State, I think you have

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to win. If Arizona State here b.

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Speaker 1: Yu taking on East Carolina on the road BYU six

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and a half point favorites in this one BYU. They've

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looked good, but not great the first couple of weeks.

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I expected more against Stanford than what they did, but

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I think that if BYU does what they're supposed to,

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this could be a blowout.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think too. I think I think BYU is

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a good team.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're great, but I like to see

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I'd like to see them win decisively year.

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Speaker 1: Colorado at home against Wyoming. They're going back Salter at

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the quarterback position. QB. Spot's been a revolving door for them.

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They're sitting at one and two. Dean's got a lot

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of things that they got to work through for that

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Buffalo's team right now.

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Speaker 4: Town Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's there's some

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growing pains here without his former crew, and I think

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I still think they beat Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the SEC slate, Arkansas taking on Memphis.

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Arkansas seven and a half point favorites. I think this

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is gonna feel like a home game for them, just

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up the road there in Memphis. Taylor Green's been fantastic

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to start the season, only favorite seven and a half.

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I would expect a big day from Arkansas and Taylor

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Speaker 4: Tom, Yeah, I think so too. I think Pittman keeps

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the old cold Beer train rolling. It's like the Coors train.

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You know, people all over the world join in. I

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think he'll be drinking cold beer after this one.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee takes on UAB at home. They're almost forty point

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favorites against Trent dilferd squad. I think Joey Aguilar in

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that offense is gonna go off. They'll bounce back after

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that loss against Georgia. Oh You taking on Auburn oh

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U seven and a half point favorites. Good quarterback matchup.

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Job Butteer taking on Jackson Arnold. Tom. I know that

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everybody's gonna be talking about Jackson Arnold trying to get

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revenge and all this. But for as much as the

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conversation has been about John Butttier, for me, it's the

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defensive matchup for Oklahoma here. They know Jackson Arnold as

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well as anybody, and the way that defenses look one

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of the best in the country, maybe the best in

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the SEC. Here. I think there's a bad spot for

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Jackson Arnold. I think that you know, Brent Vinnibles is

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going to have his number on on Jackson Arnold here.

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I like Oe You to have a solid win at

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home on Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'll be okay. I don't solid, but

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I think they could win by two touchdowns. I think

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al bernalill keep it it closer. I think Jackson Arnold

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has something to prove and I think he'll do fine.

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But ultimately I think, oh he gets the win.

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Speaker 1: Old Miss taking on TWU Lane Ole Miss thirteen and

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a half point favorites at home. They're sitting at three

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and oh. I would like to see more from their

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quarterback Simmons four touchdowns, four interceptions. I know they're three

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and oh and they're ranked thirteenth, but Old Miss has

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not really impressed me, even with that undefeated record.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Yeah, it seems like the seems like their

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time maybe coming.

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Speaker 3: I think they could get upset here.

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State taken on Northern Illinois. Blake Chapin's looked pretty good.

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They had the win against Arizona State. We mentioned they're

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twenty one and a half point favorites. Really good job

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there from Jeff Levy's team to start off the season.

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A pleasant surprise. Miszoo taken on South Carolina, and we

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have been told that Sellers will play Miszoo's still favored

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by nine and a half at home in this game,

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Tom Sellers, he's got to be one hundred percent. I

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think for South Carolina have any shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, night game in Columbia, I don't. The optics are

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not great.

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Speaker 1: Miami eight and a half point favorites against Florida. Florida

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at one and two College game Day Saturday Night football

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are both at this game. It makes no sense. Florida

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is not a good team already with two losses to

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USF and to LSU. Miami at three and oh their

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physical the light of scrimmage, Carson Becks played really well

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to start the season eight and a half Tom, I'm

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thinking this is blowout city. I think this might be

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curtains for Billion Napier here if Miami can get a

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blowout win on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Does Napier join the carousel with the Sean Foster

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after this week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And Brent Prye, I think this might be it. Maybe jover.

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And then we got Vandy taking on Georgia State twenty

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eight and a half point favorites. They should win. That,

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LSU takes on Southeast Louisiana Garrett Nessmeyer chance to pad

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some stats a bit. And then Texas takes on Sam

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Houston Texas thirty nine and a half point favorites there

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against Sam Houston, Tom real quick on that game. I

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think if you're Texas, you're just hoping can Arch show

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us something? Can he look like a serviceable quarterback? Because

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right now you get a couple of weeks before you

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play Oklahoma here, Arch is closer to the bench than

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he is the heisman right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't you know.

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Speaker 4: I think maybe Sark probably knew that all the hype

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was gonna be for not. I mean they got to

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watch him, you know, and kind of know who he

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was gonna be potentially. But I think they're still up

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for him to should still be a good quarterback. I mean,

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he's still young, you know. I think I think if

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you're Texas and you get up some scores on Sam Houston,

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I think you just let Arch keep doing it. I

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think you just let him play. He needs all the

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reps he can get. You mentioned red River coming up.

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You let him take all the snaps he.

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Speaker 1: Wants more to come, all the Jones support. We will

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be hearing from Bill Hasten to the Tulsa World coming

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up in just a few moments, so stay tuned for

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that as we continue. Join us now in the program.

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This week please to welcome in. I think he's one

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of the best writers in the entire country. It is

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Bill Haston of the Tulsa World. Enjoins us right now

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as we have plenty to discuss with everything going on

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with Oklahoma Sooners and the Oklahoma State Cowboys. Bill, let's

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jump right in. Oklahoma big game coming up against Auburn

478
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this weekend. What do you think of the matchup as

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Jackson Arnold mixes return to Norman.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's kind of a perfect SEC opener.

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It's not like you have to go to Baton Rouge

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or Tuscaloosa. You're right to open the league. It's kind

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of a perfect mid level opponent to gauge where you are.

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I think through three games, I'm convinced that Oklahoma has

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a legitimate SEC defense. I think they're really, really, really good.

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They play with violence and verocity, and they're physical, and

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I think they're ready for that schedule. I'm not suggesting

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they're ready to go win ten games with this roster,

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but I think the season is going to look better

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than maybe we were expecting on the whole, mostly because

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of the defense, and obviously Matier Jeometiers fantastic what I'm

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not so confident about Tyler is the Ou run game,

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which I think to be a complete team and to

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be a real NCC contender, they've got to have the

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ability to run football, and I just I've got to

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see that against the better defenses in the league. And

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if I do see that, then they are a complete

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team and it could be, you know, a special season.

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But through three games, man, I just say, you can't

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do better than three and zero. You handled business really

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well against Michigan. I thought the most impressive part last

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week of that game at Temple was that there was

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no Michigan hangover right. They came out. It wasn't a

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perfect game by any means, but it was pretty good

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and it went forty two to three over a team

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that kind of felt like it had a chance to

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make it interesting. Temple was is, I think, a lot

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better than they were a year ago when they just

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got mangled at Norman. But I'm encouraged and fired up

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to see what what uh? And then the Jackson Arnold storyline,

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Holy cow, I mean, you couldn't You couldn't draw up

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a more interesting for this point in the in the

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college football schedule for you? You know, before all of

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this went down, you two years ago, if you'd just said, well,

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it's Auburn to open the SEC schedule, he said, all okay,

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But now you like, it's Jackson, Arnold and Arburn open

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at Noran, which is it doubles the pressure on ou

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to perform well and win. And you know there's great

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pressure on Jackson Arnold and it's a beautiful matchup. Love

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it great, great sidebar to the big picture of the

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game itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. We'll talk about the quarterback match up here

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in just a moment. I do want to bring up

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something you discussed the running back situation, and we saw

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them run the ball pretty effectively against Temple, I felt like,

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but not so much in the previous two weeks. And

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there's one thing in particular that stands out, where in

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the hell is Jed not. This is a guy that

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was a premiere running back in the PAC twelve and

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the ACC, a big galas offense. There was high hopes

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and expectations for him and he can't even get on

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the field. And I know there was the injury, but

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one of that solve a lot of their running issues.

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But just give not more time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it would, but it just feels like

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to me, there's got to be more with his medical

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status then we're aware of. I guess I don't know,

538
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and I keep hearing that OU has it's so important

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for you to have a clearly defined number one running back.

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I don't know about that. I just think it's important

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to get consistent production from whatever combination of guys. And

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if it happens to be if Aught happens to emerge

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as that guy, that's great. But from a combination of

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two or three guys they've got to get I mean,

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if you're looking for a magic number in the SEC,

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if you could rush for one hundred and sixty yards

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a game to give material a little balance and to

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keep defenses guessing a little bit, that's good enough. I mean,

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you'd like to rush for two hundred plus. But if

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they could get to one hundred and sixty hundred and

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seventy yards a game, whether it's Ought or any one

552
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of the other guys or a combination of the other guys,

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that's so important for you. And it would be a

554
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nice statement for an offensive line that couldn't block anybody

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last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And with that said, job Matier looks fantastic, looks

557
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like a Heisman candidate, the way that he's played and

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done in a variety of ways, not just the passing game,

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but his rushing ability as well, played in this offense

560
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previously under Ben Rbuckle there at Washington State. Are you

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surprised that job Mattear's looking this good this quickly here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I am. I mean it's been six years

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since Jalen Hurts was at Norman, and the quarterback room

564
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at OU since that time has been really up and down,

565
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and there's not been I mean, obviously, you had a

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Heisman level guy there with Gailen Williams, he just didn't

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stay very long. And you had Spencer Rattler before him,

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who was the number one quarterback in the country coming

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out of high school, and that didn't quite get to

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where people expected, or certainly where you expected. So now

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here's Materer and he does have a lot of Mayfield

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about him, kind of the whole leadership vibe, the whole

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energy of the guy. Here's what concerns me about him.

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Beyond I'd like to see him complete seventy percent and

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I'd like to see him maybe not get intercepted quite

576
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so much. But more than that, I just hope he

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has the good sense to know to avoid getting blown

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up and not to try. You know, he's a dynamic

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athlete and there are going to be times when he

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can read the field. You saw Baker Mayfield Monday night.

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Tampa won that game because of two scramble situations that

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Baker Mayfield got big yardage and extended those drives. Baker

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Mayfield won the game for them with those two run

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plays in the fourth quarter. But and Materia is going

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to see some openings where he can go make a

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big play. But I hope once he gets past the

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first down marker or something whatever, I just hope he

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has the instincts to get down or get out of

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bounds and don't expose him because it would be potentially

590
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probably catastrophic if he gets hurt and misses time. But

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with a healthy I mean, you say, is he am

592
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I surprised that he's emerged to be this good this immediately?

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Did I expect him to be the Heisman front runner

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by mid September? Nope? No, So yeah, and he is that.

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He is literally the front runner on the Heisman board today.

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So I think he's great. But he shows you the

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value of an alpha person at the quarterback position because

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it lifts the whole program. Everybody in the program is

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uplifted and energized when they have a quarterback. You saw

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it in twenty fifteen. My goodness, twenty fourteen, Sooners really struggled,

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really a great inconsistency at the quarterback position. Everybody thought

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Trevor Knight was going to be an All American, a great,

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great player, and he would be one quarter and wouldn't

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be the next two quarters. And there was great, he

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was very erratic. Of course, he did beat Alabama there

606
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at the end of that fourteen No, no, that was

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thirteen season. Yeah, it was twenty thirteen season. But anyway,

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Trevor Knight just had such great potential. But you're just

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ump and down and then here goes Baker Mayfield from

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Texas Tech. And even in that red shirt season, he

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was the leader of that football team. And so I

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think Materia has that sort of people skills, leadership or

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all of that. But it's just you cannot overstate the

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importance of keeping him healthy and on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no question about it. And you know, before

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the season, the national pundits were all talking about how

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good Arch was gonna be and not giving Matier the

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real love or attention. And here we are three weeks

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into the season, and I think anybody with a brain

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knows how much better John Mattier is than Arch Manning

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right now. Not saying that's gonna be long term or

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that Arch can't improve and get better, I think.

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Speaker 2: It's long term toler I just think my tears a

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better quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, you know I'm with you. But

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with that said, I'm not saying that Arch won't be

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good at some point, but you know, it's it's pretty obvious.

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Did he was watching who the better quarterback is? And

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and I think we're gonna see that on full display

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here in a couple of weeks when we get there

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in Dallas. Uh, with this quarterback matchup going up against

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on the other side, Jackson Arnold. I was listening to

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Inventables this week and one of the things in Vnables

634
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was talking about was he was asked, you know, why

635
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is jacksonall look so good to start writing? And he said, well,

636
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they got a lot of good going around him compared

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to the situation he was in last year. And I

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saw a lot of that Baylor game bill, and one

639
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of the things I noticed was how effective they were

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at the line of scrimmage and in particular their ability

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to run the football there. And if you're Oklahoma, I

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don't think it's so much about being Jackson Artill. I

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think it's really about stopping Auburn's run game here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's so I wonder what kind of

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talks the Auburn staff is having with Jackson Arnold and

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whether he'll, you know, playing at Norman on the other sideline,

647
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that's that's pretty intense for a young guy. And so

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is he going to feel like I've got to be

649
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a superhuman quarterback. I've got to make I do have

650
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to expose myself to some risk here on some run plays.

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And that's if that's the way, if that's what we're

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gonna need to win the game, is for me to

653
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you know, keep the football and keep them guessing. And

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he's you know, he got popped a couple of times

655
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by Baylor. But I just wonder if you'll feel like

656
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,559
great pressure to be the reason why Auburn wins this

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00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,400
game instead of a reason why Auburn could win this game.

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And you know. I'm just telling you, if he gets

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in the open field and if an OU player has

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a reasonable chance to blow him up, they're gonna do it.

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And so I think there's great pressure, just like there

662
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was on my tier for Jackson Arnold to stay on

663
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the field and stay healthy. But I do think that

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Auburn has maybe uh maybe a deeper quarterback room than

665
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know you. But still he has shown to this point

666
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that Arnold has shown that he's the best quarterback they got.

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So I think there'll be a lot going on in

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his mind with regard to wanting to prove people wrong obviously,

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and then there'll be a lot of going through his

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mind possibly with regard to I'd like like if I

671
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were him, I mean, young guy'd be thinking, I want

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to shock the world today, and I want to be

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on the Sports Center Top ten tonight and I want

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to be, you know, the most talked about guy in

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college football tomorrow. So let's go. And so with that

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00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:31,280
sometimes comes trying to do too much. So we'll see

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if he tries to do too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if if this is personal to him.

679
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Speaker 2: You know, think yeah, right, Well, and you and I

680
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,039
both seen him make throws that you know, everybody would

681
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,480
carenge and say, what the heck is is he? Who's

682
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,639
he throwing to? And what does he see there? So

683
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you know, it's see if the OU defense can force

684
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,519
him into terrible decision making and some and giving the

685
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football away.

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Speaker 1: Uh. You look at what's coming up for Oklahoma their

687
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next two SEC contests ahead. You have this game of

688
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course against Auburn coming up on Saturday, and you play

689
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Kent State, of course, and then another SEC game after

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that against Texas. And if if Oklahoma can beat Auburn

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in Texas in those two games in a three week stretch,

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I know, Bill that much has been made about how

693
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tough this schedule is, but you know, South Carolina kind

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of got exposed last week. We saw what happened Alabama,

695
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you know, to open up the season against Florida State.

696
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I feel like, if you win these next two SEC games,

697
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despite how tough it is, there's no reason to think

698
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that Oklahoma can't manage this schedule and find a way

699
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if they stay healthy, to get in the College Football Playoff. Here,

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what's so you right? Well? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because well, I mean so a year ago or a

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few months ago, let's just say, coming out of Okay,

703
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the last time everybody saw oh you played football, they

704
00:39:56,599 --> 00:40:00,119
lost to Navy, right, and then you look at this

705
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,800
year's schedule and you say, oh my lord, look at that,

706
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and it looked unmanageable, it looked daunting, right. Well, but

707
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we were basing our perception of that schedule. Tyler was

708
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based on what we saw coming out of the bowl

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game of a loss to Navy. So b he is

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way way, way better than they were. Defensively, outstanding, probably

711
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:29,599
top eight defense in college football right now, and we've

712
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,559
already covered it. Materier, Nobody saw him coming in, saw

713
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,880
him when he came in as being the early Heisman

714
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,079
front runner. Well, maybe some did, but I didn't, not

715
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,239
this quickly. No, But I didn't see Archie Manning kind

716
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,719
of falling off the table this early either. But you're

717
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,000
so right. I can't wait for the Texas game. Can't wait.

718
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,599
I think it's a very winnable game for you. I

719
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,800
do now. Ninety days ago, I wouldn't have said that.

720
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Now I've gotten enough of a sample size from both

721
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,719
sides of that game that I feel great about, Oh

722
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,039
you going into that. But once again we got Auburn

723
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,320
can overlook Auburn. The Kent game is a contractual obligation.

724
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:17,599
You've got to play it. I hate those games. I

725
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,320
hate those meaningless schedule fillers, wedged right in the middle

726
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,719
of the most important stretch. And I get it. It's

727
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,440
a scrimmage and it's a chance for venables to rest guys.

728
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:32,320
And I'm but, man, it's so anti climactic. But it

729
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,559
gives O you a chance to kind of almost get

730
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,079
a week off before the Texas game. So I guess

731
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,800
there's value in that. But I cannot wait to see

732
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,039
the Texas game and how you looks coming out of it,

733
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,039
and it'll it'll just say so much with regard to

734
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,039
what their second half of the schedule is going to

735
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:54,239
look like. Yeah, but it did look like an unmanageable,

736
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,639
horrific draw for you, you know, even just eight six

737
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,000
or eight weeks ago. It did. But now that ou

738
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:05,480
has proven itself to be so much better a football

739
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:11,039
team than a year ago, I'm not suggesting that an

740
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,400
it's an easy schedule, but it's not one. And people

741
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,000
on the other side of that schedule looking back this

742
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,639
way or saying, oh boy, oh he's pretty good.

743
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: One more thing, I'll say this I know you, and

744
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,159
then we move on talk about Oklahoma State. Bill, I

745
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:29,719
would also say OU fans out there, you got to

746
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,239
change your expectations to an extent. There was a point

747
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,679
in time when this team dominated the Big Twelve and

748
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,119
the thought was to win the Big Twelve every single

749
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:41,920
year and make the College Football Playoff. And now with

750
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,440
as tough as the SEC is in this schedule and everything,

751
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,239
it's I think Ohio State showed last year. Bill, It's

752
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,119
just about getting there and then figuring everything else out right.

753
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,760
It would be great if Oklahoma won the SEC and

754
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,519
did all of that, no one would complain about that.

755
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,000
But I think the number one objective is just find

756
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,800
a way getting the playoff and then let your season

757
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,119
continue for there. That's what I'm looking at. If they

758
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,880
win the SEC, by all means, fantastic, but just get

759
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,639
in there and then kind of restart your season from

760
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:14,079
that point.

761
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Well, I mean, I wondered, like I'll

762
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,360
never forget the day of the and when it leaked

763
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,920
that Ou in Texas were heading to the SEC, and

764
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,119
I just thought, and my immediate thought was, Okay, that's

765
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,480
going to be a big adjustment for the OU fan

766
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,519
base because they're used to winning eleven or twelve every

767
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:42,440
year every year Lincoln Bob before that. And then but

768
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,719
you think, Okay, how is the fan base going to

769
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,440
feel about eight and four being considered an outstanding season

770
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,480
depending on the schedule. But that's a really good that's

771
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:59,480
a really good record in the SEC. So I mean,

772
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:05,000
I just but it would be just to get on

773
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,360
the bracket this year, like you say, I mean, what

774
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,679
an amazing bonus and what an amazing statement it would

775
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,679
be for Venables to go from the hot seat to

776
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,880
standing on the stage with the SEC championship trophy. Right

777
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,280
That'd be amazing and right now, who's to say they

778
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,760
can't do it? I'm not gonna say that, But like

779
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:34,639
you say that, the more realistic did you watch Georgia

780
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:35,159
and Tennessee?

781
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: I did?

782
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: Moly? Is oh you ready for a ballgame like that

783
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,440
against a team like one of those teams? I mean,

784
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,079
they're coming up, so let's and maybe the Cotton Bowl

785
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:50,599
is that kind of game. I don't know, But I'm

786
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:56,000
just so pleasantly surprised and unexpectedly fired up for the

787
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,039
rest of this OU season because the last three have

788
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,960
been in the ten win season. In there with Gabriel

789
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:07,320
at quarterback. I mean, they lost Bedlum, you know, and

790
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,280
there was some and then you know, and then Gabriel

791
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,000
leaves and they lose to Arizona in the bowl game,

792
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,920
and it just wasn't as satisfying as most ten win

793
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,480
seasons would be. So this would really really for frintable

794
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,360
for Venables to jump up off the hot seat and

795
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:30,199
to you know, to have that kind of a special

796
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,239
season of nine to three and get on the bracket

797
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,559
and win a game in the playoff. That'd be a

798
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:40,840
damn good, really fun second season in the SEC for you.

799
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: All Right, let's shift gears talk about that. We want

800
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,840
to stay Cowboys. Now, Bill, what the hell is going

801
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,679
on in still Water right now?

802
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: Well, man, it's just I don't even know where to start.

803
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,760
So this this kind of sneaked up on everybody. It

804
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,159
certainly sneaked up on well, it kind of sneaked up

805
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:04,000
on me because sometimes you know, you just something's happening,

806
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,880
but you don't really take inventory. You have to kind

807
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,280
of take a step back and take a look at it.

808
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,719
And so, but over the last thirty six games, Tyler,

809
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,719
the oklhom state program has lost twenty times twenty games.

810
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,239
They've lost twenty games in thirty six, sixteen and twenty

811
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,920
in their last thirty six and ask well, I mean,

812
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,360
how did that happen? Why? Before that issue was winning

813
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,559
a lot of games they'd beaten, not Trae Dame. They

814
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:36,800
had a twelve wins season. But it was a variety

815
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,719
of factors. I think the previous staff got soft on recruiting,

816
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,000
didn't hustle like they should have owned recruiting. They haven't

817
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,039
been They have not had a consistently reliable quarterback since

818
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,320
Mason Rudolph in twenty seventeen, as well as eight years ago.

819
00:46:54,559 --> 00:47:00,719
It's a long time. They have not been consistently. They've

820
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,639
either been average or way below average on the offensive

821
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:10,559
line for about twelve years. Thirteen years was the that

822
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,920
was the hallmark of good Gundhy teams early like six

823
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,400
through twenty twelve. They were always really good on the

824
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,079
offensive line. They would lead the Big twelve in rushing

825
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,679
or finish second, or they would lead the Big twelve

826
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,480
for finish second and few of sacks allowed all those years.

827
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,079
For seven years, that's gone. That culture's gone. They had

828
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,320
this amazing defense of twenty one, that great defensive culture

829
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,000
left when Jim Knowles left to go to Ohio State.

830
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,599
Now he's at Penn State. But so and then last year,

831
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:46,280
of course, they just weren't very good and they get hammered.

832
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,440
They lose five times in conference played Tyler by at

833
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,360
least twenty one points. They get smoked week after after week,

834
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,000
and then Mike Gundhy makes unfortunate comments that are critical

835
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:02,119
of fans. In November, they finished the season with a

836
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:06,360
fifty two or nothing, the loss at Colorado. Mike. Mike

837
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,800
Gundhi's employment status is the subject of a December sixth

838
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,519
board meeting. It's still order. Day later, Mike accepts the

839
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,960
terms of a revised contract and a pay cut, and

840
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:24,760
I felt right then, oh baby, how do you market

841
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:30,480
to your fans? How do you sell season tickets to

842
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,519
a fan base now who is aware that there's that

843
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,679
your football coach and your university leadership are at odds?

844
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,480
How do you sell season tickets to a fan base

845
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,920
after you've gone zero to nine in the Big twelve

846
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,440
and you weren't even competitive, and you don't know what

847
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,159
you're going to have at the quarterback position. You have

848
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,920
sixty two new guys on your roster. You have an

849
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,320
entirely new coaching staff. I believed all along that this

850
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,840
would not go well this season because I didn't think

851
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,519
Mike Gundy would forgive certain people at the university for

852
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,920
what happened in December. I think Mike's still upset about that.

853
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,480
I don't know what they are or what they have

854
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,760
a quarterback. Don't know what they've are or what they

855
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,239
have it on the offensive line. They host Tulsa Friday night.

856
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,599
I think Tulsa has got a chance to go in

857
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:28,519
there and win the game. I do, But yet two

858
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,440
years ago o Issue gets beat by South Alabama at home,

859
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,920
got smoked by thirty three to seven. It was Tyler.

860
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,559
And then they hosted on a Friday night Kansas State,

861
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,599
and I remember saying and writing, oh, baby, won't there

862
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,320
will be fifteen thousand empty seats there on a Friday night.

863
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,320
And this just ain't good. And you know what, it

864
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,639
was packed Boone Pickensadium was jam packed. Oishu played really

865
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:58,880
well and they got hot after that and won six

866
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,199
or seven in a row. So is this team coming

867
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
off of that Oregon disaster? I kind of buried the lead.

868
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,639
Holy Cow lose by sixty six at Oregon and that's

869
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,360
a disaster, and they did it. Among the people in

870
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,159
the building that day were a planeload of Oklahoma State donors,

871
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,039
the regents, and the university president went up there with

872
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,639
the athletic director to watch that game. And then they

873
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:28,360
lose sixty nine to three. So does this team have

874
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,320
the wherewithal to come up with a special performance Friday

875
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,119
night to get it self esteem kind of restored or

876
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,239
at least get started on that, and then to go

877
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,119
into the Big Twelve schedule. Baylor is the opener in

878
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,760
the Big Twelve. Baylor has beaten OSU nine of the

879
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,800
last fourteen. That's another stat that sneaked up on me.

880
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,719
So I don't know. I mean, I still kind of

881
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,760
I have written on this a couple of times this year.

882
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,760
I still kind of I stand by my belief that

883
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,199
this is Mike Gundy's final season. He's twenty first in

884
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,320
final season to really show. I just think he's going

885
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,920
to reach a point, or if he hadn't already, where

886
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,840
he looks around and says, I don't like college football

887
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,400
the way it is now. I don't like the fluid

888
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:18,119
nature of the rosters, the inability or it's almost impossible

889
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:24,159
now to it's all about money and attracting talent to

890
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,039
your roster and then the challenge of retention and all

891
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,960
of that. So I just think Michael will get a

892
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,199
later in the season and decide I'm going to ESPN,

893
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,920
and then he'll go do a TV gig and then

894
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,719
you know, we'll see who the next coach is at

895
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,599
Oklahoma State. They're not going to fire Miken season. You

896
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,079
don't do that to a guy who's been in the

897
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,840
program thirty five years. Stupid and dirty. Don't do that.

898
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,079
And his name should be on the Ring of Honor

899
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,519
immediately after he's finished coaching. However, you don't want to

900
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:00,360
see it be a really ugly parting of the ways

901
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,079
here at the end, whatever that looks like, because Mike does. Yeah,

902
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,119
I think they should put Mike's name on the field,

903
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,159
Mike gundeyfield at Ben Picken Stadium. Put his name up

904
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:14,159
in the Ring of honor. He's the most accomplished football

905
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,639
person in the history at school and he should be

906
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,159
honored as such. But so I hope it doesn't end badly.

907
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw Gary Patterson have an ugly end at TCU,

908
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:29,440
and the only why things well, I'm so glad championship

909
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,920
the next year, Tyler.

910
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:33,119
Speaker 2: Thank you for reminding me about that, because that might

911
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,639
be something I need to weave into a column. Cone up,

912
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,039
because you're exactly right. He's a stat Gary Patterson was

913
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,599
a statute guy for that school.

914
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: It was more successful at TCU than Gundy was at OSU.

915
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,199
Speaker 2: Well, right, you ride that well I did. Yeah, you

916
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,199
could argue that. I mean, one a Rose Bowl, he

917
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,199
was on the brink of some great stuff. Man, you

918
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,239
could argue that very comparable either way.

919
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah it work.

920
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a great comparison. And yeah, yeah, yeah,

921
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:09,239
he did in badly for Gary Patterson and at TCU,

922
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,519
and I don't want to see it. I would hate

923
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:12,559
to see that at all issue.

924
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, if if they had not literally

925
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,000
been to the playoff of the National Championship, we're having

926
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,320
a whole different conversation about the exit of Gary Patterson

927
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,400
TCU than we are now. Those deals were winning. I

928
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,480
guess cures everything, and I don't think it no matter.

929
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,079
They could hire Nick Saban tomorrow and that team's not

930
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,199
going to a national title next year. With that said,

931
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,440
with the state of the Oklahoma state program and where

932
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,880
they potentially go from here in a post Mike Gundhi

933
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,519
era that has been made about the money concerns and

934
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:45,079
the lack they're off and things of course have been

935
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:48,039
different since the passing of t boone Pickens, of course.

936
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,639
But what I wonder Bill is is the donor base

937
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,440
holding back their pockets because of Mike Gundhy in the

938
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,400
state of the program or is this going to be

939
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,480
a issue that persists no matter who the head coach

940
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:10,400
is in long term money issues at Oklahoma State. I mean,

941
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:12,519
you look even within the rest of the Big twelve

942
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,000
schools like Texas Tech, Kansas and others seem like they

943
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:18,000
have all more money than Oklahoma State does.

944
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:22,079
Speaker 2: Right now, well, I don't buy that. Now They've had

945
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,239
big moves lately at those schools where like the Giant

946
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,199
Gift at KU and then the I'm looking forward to

947
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,119
getting up to see the new stadium at Lawrence. I

948
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:35,800
bet it's Have you been to it yet?

949
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: I have.

950
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: I went a few weeks ago. It feels like a

951
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,840
small NFL stadium that.

952
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks really cool and I'm so happy for KU.

953
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,400
I'm so happy for coach Loiphold, one of the best

954
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,119
guys in the league, one of the best guys in

955
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:53,760
college football. I really like him. So, but see, I

956
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,280
don't know. See, I mean, first of all, the money

957
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:02,480
piece of this is a problem everywhere. The list, the

958
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:07,000
list of really super wealthy superpowers is not very big.

959
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:09,960
It's Ohio State, and it's Texas, and it's A and N,

960
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,599
and it's a few others. Most schools are right there

961
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:20,519
in that that next level down on resources with Oklahoma State,

962
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:27,880
Texas Tech, the Kansas schools, Iowa State, and so I

963
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:33,599
know that the OSU fan base has some very very wealthy,

964
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:40,480
very loyal people, very loyal to that university. So the

965
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:45,880
resources are there now. Boone obviously was his generosity was historic.

966
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,480
Boon gave over six hundred and fifty million to that school. Yeah,

967
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:56,880
and obviously his names on the stadium and so, but

968
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:02,639
there is there's a healthy number of a list donors

969
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:06,000
at Oklahoma State now who are at a great enough

970
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:09,679
level of ability, I guess is a word that they

971
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,119
could really really, really really lift elevate OSU to a

972
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,920
competitive level on revenue.

973
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Right.

974
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I keep hearing over and over that there

975
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:26,039
are some of those donors who are you alluded to it,

976
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,360
and you're right that some of them are not willing

977
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:34,199
to give that money until there's a coaching change. So

978
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,400
the politics of what's going on ont o issue are hideous,

979
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:44,320
and there's got to be some real leadership. Somebody's got

980
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:51,559
to provide some real leadership, stand up and steady everything.

981
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,159
And they need to be very transparent about this too,

982
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,599
and there has to be a plan on what they're

983
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:01,400
going to do to be compared in this new environment.

984
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,280
I say, no, it's really not new now. It just

985
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,320
is what it is now. But Tyler, I don't sense

986
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,199
that there's any real leadership over there right now. It's

987
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:14,280
like there's no there's no Holder Mike Holder type of

988
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,639
leadership figure. And without that, uh, the athletic director at

989
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:20,039
oways she has been working for two and a half

990
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,639
months without a contract. Right. Not a good look. It

991
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,639
just it stinks of indecision and infighting and whatever else.

992
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:31,519
But they got to get they got to get uh,

993
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:33,440
they got to get a plan in place, and they've

994
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:37,840
got to get you know, it's going to be difficult.

995
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,119
I'm just gonna be listen. I'm the first one that

996
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:43,440
I've covered it all. I know what I'm talking about

997
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,599
I've seen it. What Mike gund He's done in still

998
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:50,480
Water is miraculous. It's so impressive. But uh, it just

999
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:55,119
feels like from Mike's I just think Michae will be

1000
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:57,480
a happier guy when he gets out of that situation.

1001
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,119
I think OSU will be a happier place when it

1002
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,960
kind of reboots in the coach's office and just it's time,

1003
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:10,280
you know, I mean, nothing lasts forever, nothing so anyway,

1004
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:14,280
but if it ends badly, it's going to be really unfortunate.

1005
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,679
That's my greatest hope pro issue that it doesn't in

1006
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,880
badly and then don't screw up the higher go get

1007
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,360
you the right next coach, because they haven't had to.

1008
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:26,719
They have not had to search for a head football

1009
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:30,199
coach there in twenty five years. They they found less

1010
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,719
miles good higher, but then they promoted Mike Gundy from

1011
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,559
a coordinator job, so they haven't had to go ahead

1012
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,280
and look for a coach Tyler in twenty five years.

1013
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:40,199
What are you about twenty five years old?

1014
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine, So well there you go. Okay, it's

1015
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,000
been a while, it's been a long time.

1016
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: You're in pre K, you were in pre k the

1017
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:49,400
last time they had to.

1018
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm keeping my fingers crossed that John Gruden makes his

1019
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,559
way to steal water. I want to see the crazy.

1020
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the most the most mentioned name is

1021
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Zach Robinson, former Cowboy quarterback who now is the coordinator

1022
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:08,719
at the Atlanta Falcons.

1023
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:10,519
Speaker 1: And he's not doing a very good job. Might I add,

1024
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,840
by the way, Zach, Yeah, I mean that offense was

1025
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,719
terrible last year.

1026
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,239
Speaker 2: Well, but the last couple of weeks they're starting to

1027
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,519
show some stuff. And Pinnix is a nice quarterback to

1028
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:26,039
work with. So I think Zach, I think, Zach, We'll see.

1029
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:29,000
I mean, it's but I think the Falcons other night

1030
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:31,760
were very impressive. And I know that Zach Robinson is

1031
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,920
a very very popular person in the OSU universe. Yeah,

1032
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,199
and there's a lot of people. He's thirty eight, the

1033
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,079
same age Mike was when he got that job. But

1034
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,360
he's also like one or two good years away from

1035
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,239
being a head coach at that at that level. So

1036
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:48,920
does he want to roll the dice and go back

1037
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:56,679
to the madness of college football now? Or Stan pat? He? Probably?

1038
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,239
He probably, I'm just putting. I shouldn't speak for him,

1039
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,320
but if I I got to think maybe he just

1040
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,400
feels better off to stay in pro football and let

1041
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,239
that run its course.

1042
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you know, Kevin Moore was offered

1043
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:12,280
the Boise State job a couple different times, got fired

1044
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,840
from multiple OC jobs, and still landed, you know, after

1045
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:19,360
finally breaking through winning Super Bowl with Eagles, that Saints

1046
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,079
head coaching job. I think even if it doesn't work

1047
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,760
out for Zach in Atlanta, he would get another shot again.

1048
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,440
They recycle all these coordinators over again, that eventually, if

1049
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,199
he proves himself as day could come Bill before we

1050
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,159
go plug away. I know you got some exciting coverage

1051
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:40,119
football season going on with ou OSU TU as well.

1052
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:42,840
The high school scene right now amazing. I saw something

1053
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,840
about Bigsby and Jinks both being top twenty five teams

1054
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,239
in the country this year. I mean, so much going on,

1055
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,280
and the Thunder is just another month away from us

1056
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,039
starting their title.

1057
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:56,079
Speaker 2: Actually, they're like, let's see here, Tyler. I think it's

1058
01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:59,480
three weeks, less than three weeks to their first preseason game.

1059
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:04,679
I think, like, oh, baby, like two weeks away from

1060
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,079
media day over there. So, I mean, so the beauty

1061
01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:11,280
of it is you have that deep, deep postseason run

1062
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,760
and you win it all and then but the only

1063
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,199
drawback is you sure don't have much of an off season.

1064
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,119
At the same time, the youngest team right, so they

1065
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,320
don't quite have as the recovery challenge isn't quite as

1066
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,000
great as if they were a bunch of thirty year

1067
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,800
old guys. Yeah yeah, oh man. But you know, Tulsa County,

1068
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,920
You know this, Tulsa County High school football is off

1069
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:47,079
the charts. It's phenomenal. The facilities, the commitment to these

1070
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:52,159
these big school programs around here. And it's either depending

1071
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,760
on how you view it, it's either amazing or it's

1072
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,719
unhealthy or vote you know what I mean. But it's

1073
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,079
fantastic football. I mean, it is stordinarily good football. And

1074
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,159
if here's a stat you'll appreciate being a twenty nine

1075
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:10,400
year old. If a Tulsa County team wins the state

1076
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,000
championship this year in Class six A, won the largest

1077
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:16,480
class in Oklahoma, it'll be thirty years in a row

1078
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,559
that a Tulsa County team has won the title in

1079
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:24,079
the state's largest class. It's been since nineteen ninety five

1080
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,039
Midwest City that anybody outside of Tulsa won the largest

1081
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:33,440
classification championship. So you say it just means more, NANCYC.

1082
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,239
For sure, it just means more up here in Tulsa County.

1083
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,880
So yeah, our readers have a tremendous appetite for high

1084
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,800
school football content, so we prioritize that and we do

1085
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,440
it very well.

1086
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: Bill appreciate the time of front. We'll talk in down

1087
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,599
the line. Thanks for join us. Check him out Tulsa

1088
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:55,920
World dot com for continuing coverage and we'll see it

1089
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:57,840
down the line. Appreciated. Join us, yes, sir.

1090
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:58,519
Speaker 2: Thanks doctor