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Speaker 3: we're going to talk a little bit about the JFK
Speaker 3: files and I have wrangled Mark Anderson out of whatever
Speaker 3: he was doing. I'm sure he was truth hounding somewhere
Speaker 3: as it came time for Boiler Room tonight, and he's
Speaker 3: joining us right now. Mark, Welcome to the boiler Room.
Speaker 3: How you doing very well, sir?
Speaker 5: Still reeling from our climate talk the other night, the
Speaker 5: conundrum of the fire society we live in, you know,
Speaker 5: wildfires here there and everywhere. What's going on? Where's the prevention,
Speaker 5: where's the cure? What's up? You know? And that's really
Speaker 5: interesting current stuff. But yeah, we got a little handle
Speaker 5: on history here and maybe we can lend considerable clarity
Speaker 5: to it, and a lot of talk about, of course,
Speaker 5: the release of the latest batch of JFK documents, so
Speaker 5: much to discuss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we're really glad you're here with us.
Speaker 3: And yeah, as Mark mentioned, if you missed it on
Speaker 3: I think it was Sunday night, Mark and I did
Speaker 3: a special broadcast right here in the boiler Room, and
Speaker 3: that's up at the what we were called on Rumble.
Speaker 3: We're called boiler Room on Rumble, and we're called Alternate
Speaker 3: Current Radio on YouTube. So head on over to those
Speaker 3: channels to check out that talk. Mark and I are
Speaker 3: finding some alarming trends as it comes to this season's
Speaker 3: weather and some of the weather reporting. We talked a
Speaker 3: lot about wildfires. We didn't even really get to the tourney,
Speaker 3: but that was a whole other crazy thing going on.
Speaker 3: But that is up there on our channels, so go
Speaker 3: check it out. Leave us a comment. We'd love to
Speaker 3: see some comments on those videos. Seen a couple, but
Speaker 3: get on over there and give us your thoughts about
Speaker 3: our discussion over there, especially if you live in one
Speaker 3: of the affected zones. We would love to hear it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no kidding, Jason Jason's World's on fire Man. Yeah no kidding, dude. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's see here, the world is one big boiler room. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no kidding, dude, no kidding. All right. So Mark has
Speaker 3: a lot of history, a lot of research, a lot
Speaker 3: of journalism, a lot of investigative journalism, documentary work, much
Speaker 3: much knowledge on the JFK situation. So we're very glad
Speaker 3: to have him here tonight. We also have this next
Speaker 3: guy I'm going to bring on. We've all kind of
Speaker 3: taken different approaches. I think I'm getting the impression we've
Speaker 3: all taken sort of different approaches with how we've just
Speaker 3: to allow this to hit us initially. So for myself,
Speaker 3: I've kind of been mostly watching the mainstream media and
Speaker 3: just like the short form, just kind of trying to
Speaker 3: get a barometer for it and see what the general
Speaker 3: message to the general public is supposed to be. But
Speaker 3: the next guy I'm going to bring on, he's been
Speaker 3: deep diving into the what is it? I don't even know,
Speaker 3: eighty thousand pages or something like that. It's it's a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff, even though it includes the entire Warrants
Speaker 3: Report and a whole bunch of other stuff that we've
Speaker 3: already seen. But based lit Analyzer joining us now, he's
Speaker 3: been in the documents and he's been shielding himself from
Speaker 3: everybody else's analysis. So I think we've got a pretty
Speaker 3: good you know variety here based of sort of like,
Speaker 3: you know, different perspectives at least how we're looking at this.
Speaker 3: So this should be a fun, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: ultron movement moment where all of us kind of come
Speaker 3: together and you know, form a larger analysis here. How
Speaker 3: you doing, buddy, Good to see you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you guys.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm really looking forward to what Mark Anderson
Speaker 6: here has to say about this stuff. He's been the
Speaker 6: expert expert for a long time, and you know, all
Speaker 6: you guys, what's interesting Just I'll just say this. What's
Speaker 6: interesting right off the bat is there has not been
Speaker 6: the interest in the release that I, you know, assumed.
Speaker 1: That there would be kind of right away.
Speaker 6: I think there are a number of reasons for that,
Speaker 6: probably just mistrust in general of stuff in the past.
Speaker 6: But there is a lot of really wild, interesting stuff
Speaker 6: in this one, and as far as I can tell it,
Speaker 6: they they held up on their unredacted rule that they
Speaker 6: were going to do.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to talking about this one tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, all right, let's let's
Speaker 3: welcome the Mystical Pharaoh to the stage here, Mystical Pharaoh,
Speaker 3: it wasn't him. He didn't do it, mister didn't do it.
Speaker 3: What's the up, dude? How you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing good man, How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm really glad you're able to join us tonight.
Speaker 7: Thanks me too. Yeah, looking forward to see what we
Speaker 7: get into. And as you said, it's a crazy world.
Speaker 7: I was just looking at and use and say that
Speaker 7: Connor McGregor is running for Island president, so.
Speaker 3: It's uh, ridiculous idiot.
Speaker 4: But yeah, let's let's see what we get into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, don't don't get us started on that guy.
Speaker 3: Don't make us call Jason Burmis and.
Speaker 4: I know right, That's what I thought about when.
Speaker 3: I had Yeah, we could, we could get a massive
Speaker 3: lecture on that one if we wanted to. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm very interested in that too. Before I bring in
Speaker 3: our final member here, Mystical what what about you? Have
Speaker 3: you looked at any of the JFK stuff or coming
Speaker 3: in a sort of cold or where are you at
Speaker 3: with it?
Speaker 4: I have not.
Speaker 7: I just through some of them, and I've been just
Speaker 7: getting excerpts from like X of things, but I have
Speaker 7: not done a deep dive.
Speaker 4: What base and marquas to.
Speaker 3: Say, right on, right on, Well, you represent a important
Speaker 3: segment of the audience tonight as well with that tactic,
Speaker 3: because honestly, I mean, it's really hard to take the
Speaker 3: time to go through all this, even if you're dumping
Speaker 3: it into the AI apps and asking them to summarize.
Speaker 3: Don't you think it is?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 7: And I just you know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 7: that's coming. And the interesting thing is, just as I
Speaker 7: was observing the campaigns, you can see there's a bunch
Speaker 7: of boats that coming just hey, it's these people did it.
Speaker 7: And then another group that's coming saying, you know, completely
Speaker 7: like trying to utralize that message. So I'm interested to
Speaker 7: see what you guys say, and yeah, which way you're
Speaker 7: gonna go?
Speaker 3: Totally? Man, totally. That's one thing. This the JFK is
Speaker 3: the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? The conspiracy
Speaker 3: gift that keeps on giving. It seems like we're still
Speaker 3: at a point with this where it's like, wherever your
Speaker 3: bias might be, you're gonna find an echo chamber or
Speaker 3: you know, a click to hang out with. So it's
Speaker 3: gonna be interesting.
Speaker 8: That's my impression, is like there is no closure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's more candy, right right right, okay, cool, Yeah, first
Speaker 8: things fucking last. Everybody right there, there you go, let's
Speaker 8: bring the ruckus among us.
Speaker 3: Ruckus, what's going on? Welcome to the boiler man, boiler room.
Speaker 3: I can't talk tonight. How's it going, man, it's going well.
Speaker 9: It's actually been steadily going better for me. In fact,
Speaker 9: I dare say the future is so bright, I gotta
Speaker 9: wear shades alongside with of course also a gamma radiation
Speaker 9: shielded has mat suit. But yeah, that's that's how I'm
Speaker 9: feeling right now. But no, I'm feeling good, not feeling
Speaker 9: so good about the recent document dump. But maybe I'll
Speaker 9: feel better after we speak with our steamed colleagues about it. Hesher.
Speaker 9: I'm going to be along for the ride because JFK
Speaker 9: is not my expertise. You know that. Historically speaking, I
Speaker 9: was one of those wackos who thought that the wife
Speaker 9: shot and killed him, so you know. But anyways, here
Speaker 9: we are, maybe I'll learn something, maybe I'll contribute to
Speaker 9: I'll give some live reactions in ad libbing along the way.
Speaker 9: But it should be fun. Should be good. I'm sure
Speaker 9: we'll talk about other things too, but yeah, thanks for me, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, very good, very good. So you were an
Speaker 3: og conspiracy theorist on that one too, that's all.
Speaker 9: The Jesuitz did it. Everyone knows the Jesuitz did it.
Speaker 3: That's right, the Black Pope, the Jesuits, that's right. All right.
Speaker 3: Well that's our team tonight, sports manning the other office
Speaker 3: over there and the Beasts, and she says, Hi, We're
Speaker 3: gonna ahead and leap frog icebreaker tonight though, and just
Speaker 3: jump right into it because I don't know how long
Speaker 3: we have everybody, and we got started a little bit
Speaker 3: late tonight, so I'm gonna save my comments, I think,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna let Mark Anderson go first. So Mark,
Speaker 3: maybe just give everybody a little bit of background here
Speaker 3: for any of our new viewers, just, you know, briefly
Speaker 3: tell them who you are, what you do, and how
Speaker 3: you originally got interested in the topic. Oh hold on,
Speaker 3: I better unmute you if I'm going to ask you
Speaker 3: questions that would probably be helpful. Go ahead, Mark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a very gradual thing. My mom God
Speaker 5: rust her soul. She died in September of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: She was, in some ways the original conspiracy theorist. She
Speaker 5: talked to one of her ladies groups, a very stuffy
Speaker 5: group way back when, about a false flag operation, and
Speaker 5: you could hear a pin drop at the end of
Speaker 5: her presentation. And she raised me with extreme skepticism toward
Speaker 5: the Warren Report and whatnot. And we lived in Michigan.
Speaker 5: Gerald for was a congressman from Michigan. Somehow he made
Speaker 5: it on the Warren Commission. She called him little Boy
Speaker 5: Blue and criticized him for signing the Warren Report. So
Speaker 5: I was sort of marinated in all this, but like
Speaker 5: so many Americans, I was sort of enthralled or in
Speaker 5: the thrall of the dichotomy. You know, he was assassinated
Speaker 5: by a rifle fire. It's only a question of where
Speaker 5: the rifle fire came from. And then you had the
Speaker 5: Warren Commission, and then you had everyone else. And the
Speaker 5: Warren Commission had this very simplistic theory. They never really
Speaker 5: actually did what you would call true investigation. It's worth
Speaker 5: noting briefly, I'll mention that even though ELM. Street by
Speaker 5: the former Texas school Book Depository and the incident that
Speaker 5: happened there, even though it happened with regards to an
Speaker 5: open air limo, they had that street opened up to
Speaker 5: regular traffic the same day, within just a few hours,
Speaker 5: if that. So, the leader of the free world is
Speaker 5: apparently evidently allegedly assassinated, however you want to frame it,
Speaker 5: and they have the street back open to regular traffic
Speaker 5: with no real follow up, true detective work going on.
Speaker 5: No Columbo's there, no Sherlock Holmes there. And so the
Speaker 5: Dallas Police always had this facade of being these tough,
Speaker 5: no compromise officers, but the whole thing relive really never
Speaker 5: involved real gumshoe work from A to Z. And the
Speaker 5: Warren Commission itself, as I told David Denton today, a
Speaker 5: JFK historical group leader who's a academician, a professor up
Speaker 5: in Illinois, ahead of that group, as I mentioned to
Speaker 5: him today, the Warren Commissions, the the very makeup of
Speaker 5: the Warren Commission should have been dismissed at the onset
Speaker 5: the fired CIA officer, the head of the CIA, in fact,
Speaker 5: Alan Dulles, popping up on the Warren Commission, appointed and
Speaker 5: organized largely by the very bullheaded and you know, the
Speaker 5: kind of person that always wanted to settle a score.
Speaker 5: You know. LBJ was someone who was very mean spirited
Speaker 5: and had a lot of revenge and a lot of
Speaker 5: angst in him. He didn't like the Kennedys at all.
Speaker 5: But I'm not saying he was that heavily involved, but
Speaker 5: the fact that he didn't like them, he had a
Speaker 5: chip on his shoulder about the Kennedates. He appoints Alan
Speaker 5: Dulles as a member of this Warren Commission. He was
Speaker 5: recently head of the CIA, once again fired by JFK.
Speaker 5: What's he doing there?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: And then John J. McCloy out of the Philadelphia political
Speaker 5: machine world bank. He's a banker. Arlen Spector, a future
Speaker 5: US Senator out of Pennsylvania, a lawyer at the time.
Speaker 5: So really, the Warren Commission, you know, headed by Earl Warren,
Speaker 5: the Chief Justice, chief Justice of the Supreme Court, something
Speaker 5: of a buffoon, ultraliberal, ultra left wing. And so the
Speaker 5: whole makeup of the Warren Commission was so suspect, and
Speaker 5: it's amazing that they they pulled that one over on
Speaker 5: the American people. Such a disreputable motley crew right from
Speaker 5: the beginning, And if the American people hadn't been so
Speaker 5: caught up in the media ambedded emotion of that street
Speaker 5: theater on Elm Street that day, maybe they would have
Speaker 5: been more rational and would have seen what an impossible
Speaker 5: and unworkable and unacceptable thing. The Warren Commission itself was okay,
Speaker 5: there was no there were no criminologists on that. Why
Speaker 5: didn't they hire let's just say, a retired detective from
Speaker 5: Scotland Yard in London, somebody detached, somebody objective, somebody with
Speaker 5: not too much emotional input into the US. There's all
Speaker 5: sorts of questions that one could ask, but the Warrant
Speaker 5: Commission itself should have been a non starter. You know.
Speaker 5: There was some sundry Congress members Gerald Ford, who was
Speaker 5: known really to have a drinking problem. They blamed it
Speaker 5: on his wife, Betty Ford, but it was actually Gerald
Speaker 5: who had the drinking problem in my estimation. But that
Speaker 5: being said, fast forward to two thousand and seven and
Speaker 5: I was covering a conference in a suburb of Dallas
Speaker 5: and somebody came up to me and tapped me on
Speaker 5: the shoulder and gave me a book that was still
Speaker 5: shrink wrap. It was still in shrink wrap, and it
Speaker 5: was called here it is here, My god, I'm hit
Speaker 5: by Brian David Anderson, no relation. And I left it
Speaker 5: in the shrink wrap for the better part of a
Speaker 5: month and didn't even open it. When I did open
Speaker 5: it prior to calling the author who lived and grew
Speaker 5: up in the Dallas area. When I finally opened it
Speaker 5: and looked through it, I was puzzled, astonished, taken aback,
Speaker 5: you name it. So one thing led to another, and
Speaker 5: I kind of fell into this unintended you know, I
Speaker 5: wasn't looking for it kind of situation. When he detected
Speaker 5: that I had been a reporter a long time, even
Speaker 5: at that point in time, and when I told him
Speaker 5: about my growing up with some interest in the affairs
Speaker 5: of JFK and so on his presidency and the Dallas
Speaker 5: retirement plan for his presidency. When I told them all that,
Speaker 5: he said, Mark, you got to be my co investigator.
Speaker 5: I'm going to do a new edition of this book.
Speaker 5: And I was sort of the reluctant soldier. But I
Speaker 5: with considerable reluctance or hesitation, you might say, I signed
Speaker 5: on to be kind of the scully to his molder,
Speaker 5: if you will. I was to be the skeptic that
Speaker 5: would keep him in check. He was the more imaginative guy,
Speaker 5: you might say, using that X files analogy. But over time,
Speaker 5: as I did research alongside him, in parallel with him,
Speaker 5: I came to understand that something very probably happened that
Speaker 5: day that was very different than what we've been told.
Speaker 5: And what it does is that it breaks the polarity
Speaker 5: technique that is often used against us. The polarity technique
Speaker 5: is you've got to believe in either door number one
Speaker 5: or door number two. Don't talk about door number three.
Speaker 5: You've got to believe in a certain parameter, otherwise you're
Speaker 5: just not an acceptable citizen in this country. It happens
Speaker 5: with nine to eleven, and I'm kind of revealing my
Speaker 5: views on nine to eleven. They give you either the
Speaker 5: government story, the nineteen hijackers, the amazing things they pulled
Speaker 5: off while they're in caves in Afghanistan, and Osama bin
Speaker 5: Laden in that whole yarn versus the thermite purely explosions
Speaker 5: theory of the nine to eleven incident, and that, of
Speaker 5: course isn't really credible because so much of the building
Speaker 5: material was missing. In other words, they weren't just blown
Speaker 5: to pieces, and the pieces fell to the ground. The
Speaker 5: buildings essentially in part or to a large extent, disappeared.
Speaker 5: They were justified taken a part at the molecular level
Speaker 5: with some sort of advanced weaponry. So the government story
Speaker 5: didn't work. And then the alternative of purely thermite purely
Speaker 5: an explosive approach was also in the final analysis, I
Speaker 5: believe lacking not totally wrong, but lacking to explain the
Speaker 5: whole totality of it. But that's just an example. With JFK.
Speaker 5: The dicademy is he was shot by rifle fire. It's
Speaker 5: only a question of did it come from the Texas
Speaker 5: school Book Depository or did it come from someplace else,
Speaker 5: namely the so called Grassy Knoll. Could it be, and
Speaker 5: this is where it gets very revealing, could it be
Speaker 5: that he wasn't shot by rifle fire at all? And
Speaker 5: might that be the reason we never solved the riddle
Speaker 5: because it wasn't. Here it goes, it wasn't an assassination.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is where it gets interesting. Yeah, and that's what.
Speaker 5: That's what Brian's thesis was. Of course, I wasn't an
Speaker 5: instant convert, and in a way I'm still not one
Speaker 5: hundred percent on it, because I think it's the programming
Speaker 5: over the years that we've all been subjected to. One
Speaker 5: of the reasons I think is the emotional impact of
Speaker 5: it still hasn't totally worn off. People like to think
Speaker 5: of Kennedy as our young king. Presidents these days are octagenarians.
Speaker 5: This guy was only forty six, in the prime of
Speaker 5: his adult, mature youth. You might say, you know, handsome
Speaker 5: by most criteria, you know, intelligent, witty, likable in many respects,
Speaker 5: classy in many respects, and people think of him as
Speaker 5: our young king, our young prince that was taken by
Speaker 5: evil forces. But it also could be that Kennedy maybe
Speaker 5: wasn't quite the sterling character that we were told. You know,
Speaker 5: he had warts and all faults and faults and foibles
Speaker 5: like we all do. And he may have had a
Speaker 5: darker side, or at least a more mysterious side to him.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily a dark side per se. But that's sort
Speaker 5: of just the outline of where I came from and
Speaker 5: what I arrived at. And over the course of two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight through two thousand and fourteen is when
Speaker 5: most of the research took place, and there was some
Speaker 5: experiences along the way I didn't expect to have that
Speaker 5: were really quite quite amazing. One of them, i'll just
Speaker 5: jump to the chase, was in twenty thirteen when they
Speaker 5: had the fiftieth anniversary. Brian and I met Mary Mormon,
Speaker 5: who was on Jackie Jackie's side of the one hundred
Speaker 5: x lemo in front of the school book depository. Her
Speaker 5: and Jean Hill were those two known ladies on Jackie's side.
Speaker 5: And we met Mary Mormon and showed her our theory
Speaker 5: of a abdication under the guise of an assassination. And
Speaker 5: I know that she's probably not of her right mind anymore,
Speaker 5: and she may have even passed away. You know, I
Speaker 5: need to check that out. But she and I scouts
Speaker 5: on her because I don't have a film of her
Speaker 5: saying this. She agreed with us. She agreed with Brian,
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you want to go through
Speaker 5: other people and come back to me or if you
Speaker 5: want me to kind of continue. There are some visuals
Speaker 5: we could show that I could explain, But Brian, you're
Speaker 5: at the helm, Brian, so let me know what you're
Speaker 5: comfortable with or what you want to do.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure. I just looked up Mary Mormon. Appears she's
Speaker 3: still alive. She's ninety two years old, at least on Wikipedia.
Speaker 3: There's no indication that she is deceased, so she may
Speaker 3: be one of the very very few people that were
Speaker 3: there that day or part of this story in some
Speaker 3: way that's still around. So just throwing that in there.
Speaker 3: Let me go around the room real quick and see
Speaker 3: what everyone has to say with what you just laid
Speaker 3: out there, Mark, And I'm sure everybody's eager to get
Speaker 3: to the part where you describe what you mean by
Speaker 3: an abdication instead of an assassination. But let me go
Speaker 3: to ruckus here, go around the room real quick.
Speaker 9: That was the question, are you Are you saying he
Speaker 9: faked his death and that they secured him to a
Speaker 9: new life somewhere in essence?
Speaker 5: Yes, that that was Brian's thesis that I helped him research. Correct.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, excellent, What about you, mystical Pharaoh? Any
Speaker 3: any commentary thus far?
Speaker 7: No, that's really interesting. I would love to see what's
Speaker 7: his basis to this.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, well you're in luck. You're in luck, my friend,
Speaker 3: because there is a book and a documentary that you
Speaker 3: can absorb the all of it in its full glory. There.
Speaker 3: Mark has the the book with him and we'll provide
Speaker 3: a link to the documentary on the show page. Tonight.
Speaker 3: Let me go to based lit Analyzer based What do
Speaker 3: you think so far?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 6: Well, I especially appreciate Mark Anderson's point that they should
Speaker 6: have gotten an outside detective and an outside expert, so
Speaker 6: look at this whole thing, you know, someone from Scotland yard.
Speaker 6: Because what's weird about the one of the elements that
Speaker 6: that comes out in the documents is the amount of
Speaker 6: times the British intelligence you know, m I six, m
Speaker 6: I five play a major role in the I mean
Speaker 6: they're bound to in you know, eighty thousand pages or whatever.
Speaker 6: But that's an interesting theory at the end there, and
Speaker 6: there've been what's wild is, of course we all know
Speaker 6: that there have been so many theories. The most recent
Speaker 6: of which, you know, I want to hear Mark's take
Speaker 6: on is in that documentary where the conclusion with the
Speaker 6: forensic medical examiners of the present day said that, oh
Speaker 6: it turns out it was like people thought it was
Speaker 6: the driver who did it, all right, became the sort
Speaker 6: of status quo now.
Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, that that does come into play.
Speaker 3: Mark and I have talked a bit about this in
Speaker 3: the past. I'm trying to figure out how to become
Speaker 3: a convert still and I'm extremely intrigued and it has
Speaker 3: left me even more open minded about this situation than
Speaker 3: I even previously was. So Mark, I'll pass it back
Speaker 3: to you pick up where you left off.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess we could show these pictures that came
Speaker 5: out of a PowerPoint presentation that I shared with you
Speaker 5: on Skype. I plucked them out of there. I'm building
Speaker 5: a large PowerPoint in the wake of this later latest
Speaker 5: document release to give even some public presentations in my
Speaker 5: hometown of Bridgeman, Michigan. Kudos to that wonderful library because
Speaker 5: they've always been extremely open to free speech. And I
Speaker 5: gave a presentation there a year ago November, and it
Speaker 5: was surprisingly well received on relatively short notice in a
Speaker 5: high circulation newspaper. We published a notice and on short
Speaker 5: notice we got about twenty six twenty seven people there
Speaker 5: and I only had about four or five detractors, maybe
Speaker 5: six or eight others who were sitting on the fence,
Speaker 5: and the rest based seem to agree with me, at
Speaker 5: least in principle that at least with the observation that
Speaker 5: one of the things that may keep this from being
Speaker 5: solved is we've been given a false dichotomy. In other words,
Speaker 5: the lynchpin is the main lynchpin is the word assassination.
Speaker 5: So if you use psychology and you say JFK assassination,
Speaker 5: it's like saying milk, it does a body good, beef,
Speaker 5: it's what's for dinner, seven up the on kola. It
Speaker 5: becomes a slogan, it becomes embedded in our consciousness.
Speaker 3: So assassination, it's what happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, JFK assassination. So if you think the deep state,
Speaker 5: the cryptocracy, whatever you want to call it, if you
Speaker 5: think they're pretty crafty, of course they are. And so
Speaker 5: they're going to use various forms of psychology, particularly rever
Speaker 5: psychology and other forms to psych out the people. Because
Speaker 5: you don't control a people or a population unless you
Speaker 5: can control their thought patterns. And you can't control their
Speaker 5: thought patterns unless you use psychological techniques. And so it's
Speaker 5: very basic just to ram home the lynchpin that word assassination. So,
Speaker 5: JFK assassination. But what if you're just so rebellious or
Speaker 5: so resistant to that programming that you pry that word
Speaker 5: assassination away from the letters JFK and just look at
Speaker 5: the holy event fresh, doing a little bit of the
Speaker 5: detective work that wasn't really ever done. Okay. What you
Speaker 5: come up with is what Brian did, and that is
Speaker 5: a fresh set of observations. And one of the things
Speaker 5: you have to do is you have to get the
Speaker 5: emotion away from you. Stop thinking about our lovely, handsome
Speaker 5: dead king. Oh my god, they killed our king. You
Speaker 5: can't think that way if you get emotional, if you
Speaker 5: get too enveloped in the Americana of it, if you will,
Speaker 5: your emotions will will help block your rational thinking. That's
Speaker 5: what emotions do. They want to keep the American people
Speaker 5: in sort of a perpetual state of quasi mourning, quasi grief.
Speaker 5: We're never going to ever quite get over the tragedy
Speaker 5: kind of thinking. And that is intentional. I'll guarantee you
Speaker 5: that's intentional, okay, Because what you really have to do
Speaker 5: is you have to just look at Kennedy as just
Speaker 5: another guy and just look at this thing in a
Speaker 5: Sherlock Holmes kind of way, a Colombo sort of way.
Speaker 5: And when you eliminate the impossible. Whatever remains, however improbable,
Speaker 5: tends to be as close to the truth as you're
Speaker 5: going to get. And you have to also remember that
Speaker 5: some of the things, some of the little details and
Speaker 5: nus and crannies, are now beyond our reach. You're not
Speaker 5: going to be able to fill every gap no matter
Speaker 5: what you do, including mine and Brian's work, It's never
Speaker 5: going to be absolutely folk proof. It can only be
Speaker 5: beyond a reasonable doubt at best, because of the factor
Speaker 5: of how much time has went by and all the
Speaker 5: machinations of the cryptocracy. But let's show some of those slides.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Mark, and not just the time that's gone by,
Speaker 3: but also in that amount of time, the most damning
Speaker 3: evidence will most certainly have been deleted, shredded, magnetized, put
Speaker 3: in a burlap sack and drop to the bottom of
Speaker 3: the Atlantic Ocean like all that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like that stuff. And we're at a point now where
Speaker 3: a lot of these people were talking about you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, even the woman that you mentioned, she's in
Speaker 3: her nineties. She's in her nineties, and you know it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're this I guess what I'm getting at
Speaker 3: is just to underline your point, the slow dripping out
Speaker 3: of all this and all of the conspiracy candy the
Speaker 3: whole like you know, you're you talked about the sort
Speaker 3: of binary effect there where it's like you've got you know,
Speaker 3: red or blue, black or white left right, that kind
Speaker 3: of thing. You know. The approved conspiracy theory, you can
Speaker 3: bet usually is drummed up by those that caused the
Speaker 3: problem in the first place, because then they can corral
Speaker 3: everybody into that and uh sort of gauge the public,
Speaker 3: see who's going to go all the way to the
Speaker 3: bottom of that rabbit hole, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's almost like a the old this one
Speaker 3: in particular, the older iterations of quote unquote conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3: And this is going to be at the core of
Speaker 3: this entire conversation exactly exactly that, you know, like they
Speaker 3: they they give you a narrative that's full of holes,
Speaker 3: and then trickle out enough information over time and then
Speaker 3: maybe even be involved in the creation of a second
Speaker 3: narrative and an alternate truth perhaps, you know, and nine
Speaker 3: to eleven is a great example. Anyone that lived through
Speaker 3: the information wars of I would say the twenty two
Speaker 3: thousands and the twenty tens with regards to nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: as various other voices appeared. Knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: You know exactly what I'm talking about. Okay, Mark, I'll
Speaker 3: pass it back to you. And I've got all these
Speaker 3: pictures lined up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't comment on the first one you showed. Let's
Speaker 5: go back to that one. Okay. This is this is
Speaker 5: frame three thirteen. And keep in mind that it isn't
Speaker 5: just Brian David Anderson. There was a member of the
Speaker 5: Assassination's Record Review Board named Doug Horn h O r N.
Speaker 5: And he knew Dino Brugioni, the head of the National
Speaker 5: Photographic Interpretation Center, a adjunct of the CIA, and Dino
Speaker 5: in his time in the early sixties late fifties was
Speaker 5: the number one photo analyst in the world. Okay, and
Speaker 5: the Zuppruterer film did not go to Chicago as we
Speaker 5: were initially told. It went to Washington, DC to the
Speaker 5: NPIC Lab, and Dino Brugioni saw the completely uncut film
Speaker 5: and then Doug Horn outlined as part of his Assassination
Speaker 5: Records review Board work where he has twenty boxes of
Speaker 5: files by the way that were released in this latest
Speaker 5: data dump. The twenty boxes of doug Horn's work are
Speaker 5: part of the latest data dump with regards to that
Speaker 5: part of the data dump, that is the assassination Records
Speaker 5: review board. Just a footnote, but anyway, So Dino BRUGIONI saw,
Speaker 5: and I talked to Dino on the phone once before
Speaker 5: he passed away. He lived in Virginia at the time,
Speaker 5: a cantankerous, aging Italian. Let me tell you, and what
Speaker 5: we're looking at here is something he saw. Only as
Speaker 5: I understand it, he would have seen more frames because
Speaker 5: by the time the public saw the Supruder film, the
Speaker 5: impact in frame three, p. Thirteen, the apparent impact, the
Speaker 5: apparent fatal shot was reduced to a single frame that
Speaker 5: could only happen if you cut other frames out of
Speaker 5: the film, and Dino outlined how, or doug Horn outlined
Speaker 5: how the Supruiter film ended up going to Hawkeye Works,
Speaker 5: a CIA photo lab within Eastman Kodak in Rochester, New York,
Speaker 5: and doug Horn even has pictures of the equipment that
Speaker 5: they would have used to Not only would they cut
Speaker 5: out frames to make the movements look different, but to
Speaker 5: add animation. What would amount to bits of animation anyway,
Speaker 5: this is the one thing that no matter what they did.
Speaker 5: They tried rubbing it, they tried scrubbing it out, they
Speaker 5: tried soaking it out, they couldn't get rid of that
Speaker 5: upward streak. You can see it going at a slight
Speaker 5: angle upward, at a slight diagonal angle out of the
Speaker 5: vicinity of JFK's head. Now, that is not characteristic of
Speaker 5: a bullet coming from the front or the back, as
Speaker 5: Brian explained it in what he concluded was the cause
Speaker 5: of that was there was a squib or incendiary device
Speaker 5: that was planted on or near JFK and shot straight
Speaker 5: up in the air to simulate a bullet impact. And
Speaker 5: that is what you're seeing there if you look at
Speaker 5: that closely, if you blow it up where the body
Speaker 5: that went into Parkland Hospital had a big hole in
Speaker 5: the back. Me and Brian both talked to Robert McClellan,
Speaker 5: the doctor who was at the back of the operating
Speaker 5: table in Trauma Room one, and that body that was
Speaker 5: laying there, the blood was oozing out of the cerebellum
Speaker 5: back here, and Robert McClellan was right there and he
Speaker 5: got blood on his garment his lab coat, which he
Speaker 5: famously kept, and he would show that as subsequent JFK conferences. Look,
Speaker 5: I have JFK's blood on my medical garment. So what's
Speaker 5: interesting here, and what helps unravel the mystery is when
Speaker 5: you look at this slide, the back of the head
Speaker 5: remains intact. Okay, so you have an upward streak. But
Speaker 5: where McClellan saw this big exit wound and the other
Speaker 5: doctors agreed it was an exit wound, this shows no
Speaker 5: impact in the back of his head whatsoever. So you
Speaker 5: write that down and you say, hmm, you know, COLUMBU
Speaker 5: would go that bothers me. That bothers me, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: I just can't get that out of my head. It
Speaker 5: bothers me. So that's that's one thing. Let's move on
Speaker 5: and look at some other things. Throw another one at me,
Speaker 5: all right, this will all make more sense. It takes
Speaker 5: a little while to explain it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: Another thing that was sort of a sub linch pin.
Speaker 5: The main lynch pit is the idea of an assassination
Speaker 5: by rifle fire. That's the thing they have to make stick. Okay.
Speaker 5: A subunit of that was the bullet, the magic bullet
Speaker 5: that supposedly went through Kennedy's high upper back or neck
Speaker 5: and came out here and went into Connolly. In order
Speaker 5: for their story to stick, they had to have a
Speaker 5: plausible visual that that allegedly happened. And if you look
Speaker 5: closely here, and you got to kind of freshen your look.
Speaker 5: You got to kind of take a deep breath and
Speaker 5: try and look at it fresh. If you look at JFK,
Speaker 5: notice how unnatural those arms look.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what he looks like he's doing the chicken dance
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, his right arm is a unnaturally light streak
Speaker 5: just coming out of his dark suit. That is, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, a rather obvious animation because initially, as I
Speaker 5: understand it, few if any people actually saw JFK reach
Speaker 5: for his throat after the first shot was fired when
Speaker 5: it happened, even Clint Hill, who died February twenty first,
Speaker 5: he was the last living Secret Service agent that was
Speaker 5: actually in vehicle. There's only one remaining Service agent secret
Speaker 5: Service agent besides him who was there that day, Paul Landis.
Speaker 5: He lives in Cleveland, Ohio. He was a little bit
Speaker 5: younger than Clint Hill. Clint Hill initially in the sixties
Speaker 5: and seventies, especially in the seventies when he opened up
Speaker 5: because he went through a time of depression and alcoholism.
Speaker 5: He never said he said Kennedy reached for himself and
Speaker 5: slumped to his left. Only after the Supruder film was
Speaker 5: released and people saw this animation did they become conditioned
Speaker 5: to the idea that he actually reached for his throat
Speaker 5: when he evidently did not. So the apparent some of
Speaker 5: the apparent cartoon work or animation was right here. To
Speaker 5: put those fake arms on there, and you'll notice the
Speaker 5: hands look like clubs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they look like muppet hands or something.
Speaker 5: Right, And the way it covers the right part of
Speaker 5: his face looks very unnatural. Again, looking at it without
Speaker 5: any emotional contact, pretend this is just a picture of
Speaker 5: just anybody else. That's what you have to do. Just
Speaker 5: you're just looking at a guy. Okay, get that emotion
Speaker 5: out of your head. And it looks very unnatural. It
Speaker 5: looks contrived, you know, animated. Let's look at another one
Speaker 5: of that same scenario.
Speaker 3: I think we have another, all right, let's see here.
Speaker 3: Next one would be this one.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, I guess that's enough for Do you have
Speaker 5: any other of the arms.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's try number four. Oh, that's the same one.
Speaker 3: I must have just tried four. Let's try number five.
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry, Okay, that's that one again.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I guess this is turning out to be
Speaker 3: a little bit harder. Let me try for again. Maybe
Speaker 3: that one didn't load all the way. Nope, there it is.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, they're all down here on the So apparently
Speaker 3: I saved three and four is the same file? What
Speaker 3: about this one? Nope, we just looked at that one.
Speaker 3: What about my gosh, you gotta be kidding me, how
Speaker 3: do I have all the same images here?
Speaker 5: Well, we can. I really don't need another one. That
Speaker 5: that one that you showed with that flashpoint close up
Speaker 5: is probably a good one.
Speaker 3: Okay, this one nope? This one?
Speaker 5: Yeah. This came out a little bit later by a
Speaker 5: guy on Quora, who, without any influence from me, was
Speaker 5: believing the same thing. He looked at this as evidence
Speaker 5: of a squib or a small incendi a device that
Speaker 5: would be think of it as kind of like a
Speaker 5: bottle rocket in a sense. But although that's not exactly right,
Speaker 5: and you'll see again the back of Kennedy's head is
Speaker 5: intact even though the body taken into Parkland had this
Speaker 5: gaping wound in the back. And of course, the average
Speaker 5: person says, how can this be well if if this
Speaker 5: head shows no damage in the back and the body
Speaker 5: taken into Parkland does show damage in the back, one
Speaker 5: plus one equals two. Okay. The only way to really
Speaker 5: resolve it is they weren't the same person. At least,
Speaker 5: you have to entertain the notion they weren't necessarily the
Speaker 5: same person. Think of it as a thought experiment. Now,
Speaker 5: you might end up being wrong, But if you don't
Speaker 5: go there, you'll never know. If you don't try, you'll
Speaker 5: never know. Okay. And Brian and I would go back
Speaker 5: and forth on this, and I would disagree with them
Speaker 5: and I would sometimes resist. But the now, are those
Speaker 5: the only slides you have? The ones of the book
Speaker 5: cover are the ones I was really hoping to show.
Speaker 5: There were two that formed a back in front of
Speaker 5: the book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have those. We got this one. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, why Streamyard, I swear this isn't me. Swhear
Speaker 3: it's not me.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I can do it without the visual,
Speaker 5: but it would be help It would be really helpful
Speaker 5: to have those two book covers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they're sitting right here on the hard drive.
Speaker 3: Here we go, let's go.
Speaker 5: With otherwise I'll just keep going.
Speaker 3: No, I've got them here. Keep going. I'll get those
Speaker 3: pulled up as soon as I can.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, so one of the things that really paints
Speaker 5: a clearer picture of what I'm saying. Okay, that helps.
Speaker 5: There we go. If you look at the top of
Speaker 5: this now, these were one. This was one of them,
Speaker 5: a couple of different back book covers that Brian came
Speaker 5: up with. I happened to have the same one here
Speaker 5: as that you're looking at. There's another one. Let's keep
Speaker 5: it up there. Now. If you look at the top part,
Speaker 5: you'll see the doctor McClellan drawing. He drew where the
Speaker 5: body taken into Parkland had that rear head wound, and
Speaker 5: he drew roughly what it looked like and where it was.
Speaker 5: You'll see that in the upper left of the top image.
Speaker 5: And Brian did this top image largely to look like
Speaker 5: a photo negative for dramatic effect. And where it says
Speaker 5: there where's that arrow is going from the lower right
Speaker 5: to the upper left. It says the bullet had to
Speaker 5: have had an upward trajectory. The sixth floor and the
Speaker 5: Grassy Knole were both downward trajectories. So, in other words,
Speaker 5: the body taken into trauma Room one, it had a
Speaker 5: entry wound on the upper forehead to the right at
Speaker 5: the scalp line, and it had the exit wound where
Speaker 5: doctor McClelland showed it, and that big gaping wound. But
Speaker 5: when Kennedy was shown sitting in the car, he was
Speaker 5: leaning to his left and facing downward. There's no way
Speaker 5: a bullet could have had the trajectory from either the
Speaker 5: Grassy Knole or the school book depository to enter his
Speaker 5: head in that front part and to exit in the back.
Speaker 5: Someone would have had to have been inside the car
Speaker 5: on the floor. So that also excludes the driver. So
Speaker 5: what happened here was that Okay, this is where it
Speaker 5: gets tricky. If you look at the bottom, you see
Speaker 5: the X ray kind of photo negative of Clinton Hill
Speaker 5: jumping on the back of the of the limo. Now,
Speaker 5: this is where it gets really strange. Okay, you're going
Speaker 5: to have to bear with me here. I had a
Speaker 5: lot of trouble with this when we first put it together.
Speaker 5: A lot of my own resistance to the idea, and
Speaker 5: again sometimes I still feel that resistance. Let's keep showing
Speaker 5: that the How do you explain that in the upper
Speaker 5: in the upper box that Kennedy's head was never in
Speaker 5: the position to receive the wounds that the body had
Speaker 5: that was taken into trauma room one? How could that be? Right? So,
Speaker 5: as I said, one essential or maybe general explanation, whether
Speaker 5: it's the best explanation, I don't know, it probably is,
Speaker 5: was that they weren't the same person. Well, then you say, well,
Speaker 5: how could they not be the same person? Kennedy's head
Speaker 5: was not in a position to receive the wounds that
Speaker 5: the debt that the dying body possessed. So what body
Speaker 5: was that? Well, Brian, through the process of deduction, pointed
Speaker 5: out that the trunk of the large limo, that very
Speaker 5: large trunk area had to have had a secret compartment
Speaker 5: where there were two people beneath the seat where JFK
Speaker 5: and Jackie sat, and one of them was the handler
Speaker 5: and the other was the switchman, and the handler shot
Speaker 5: the switchman through the front of the head and it
Speaker 5: came out the back. And that was the second shot
Speaker 5: that Clinton Hill heard in his original Warren Commission testimony. Clinton,
Speaker 5: Hill said the second shot had a different sound. It
Speaker 5: sounded like it had some kind of echo. It sounded
Speaker 5: like a pistol shooting against a metal plate. That was
Speaker 5: his almost exact quote in nineteen sixty four to the
Speaker 5: Warren Commission. So for there to be another body that
Speaker 5: would possess the wounds that were seen on the body
Speaker 5: that went to Trouma Room won. That body was in
Speaker 5: the trunk and was shot that way. It came out
Speaker 5: the back. Chief Curry or was it Decker, one of
Speaker 5: the officers that was in front of the Jfklemo also
Speaker 5: heard that shot. And later on Buddy Walters of the
Speaker 5: Dallas Police and a mister Barrett of the FBI, they
Speaker 5: actually found the forty five slug, a pistol slug in
Speaker 5: the grass with what looked like organic material around it.
Speaker 5: And so the pistol bullet was actually found. And what
Speaker 5: Brian I guess I'll use the word theorized was the
Speaker 5: bullet went through the Kennedy looklike out the back of
Speaker 5: the head, through the bottom of the car, bounced on
Speaker 5: the street. That was the echo that Clint Hill heard.
Speaker 5: He heard the sound of a pistol shooting into a
Speaker 5: metal plate, and then they found that forty five slug.
Speaker 5: Then in what can only be described as a daring
Speaker 5: cloak and dagger operation. If this thing is true, and
Speaker 5: realize I've struggled with this myself, what they would have
Speaker 5: had to have done. The only thing they could have
Speaker 5: done was they would take the Kennedy lookalike who was
Speaker 5: shot in the secret compartment, They'd pop the back seat up,
Speaker 5: they'd roll him out. Kennedy himself would have been rolled
Speaker 5: into the trunk very much alive, only having been shot
Speaker 5: in the right shoulder. The first shot hit him in
Speaker 5: the right shoulder. Brian ordered pictures of the jacket the
Speaker 5: JFK War that day, high resolution pictures from the National
Speaker 5: Archives branch in College Park, Maryland, and it did appear
Speaker 5: that there was a oozing bullet wound in the shoulder
Speaker 5: and the Secret serviceation in the front passenger part of
Speaker 5: the limo. Roy Kellerman, a former Michigan State policeman, heard
Speaker 5: Kennedy say, ah, my god, I'm hit. And that's why
Speaker 5: Brian called this book my God, I'm hit, because he said,
Speaker 5: if Kennedy was shot through here and that also hit Connolly,
Speaker 5: how could he have been heard exclaiming those words above
Speaker 5: the din of the crowd, above the sound of the motorcycles.
Speaker 5: His throat and his neck would have had to have
Speaker 5: been unmolested for him to be able to say that.
Speaker 5: So Kellerman said that he turned around and saw Kennedy
Speaker 5: reaching for a point on his right shoulder like this,
Speaker 5: not going like this. Now, some testimonies were changed as
Speaker 5: time went by, and that could be attributed to all
Speaker 5: sorts of things. But so Kennedy therefore was wounded in
Speaker 5: what was maybe a warning shot, whatever the case might
Speaker 5: have been. I'm trying not to take too much time
Speaker 5: explaining something that requires rather considerable explanation, but so basically
Speaker 5: Kennedy's hid in the shoulder, the incendiary device is let off. Now,
Speaker 5: another thing that has to be mentioned in order to
Speaker 5: keep putting the puzzle together is Jackie claimed that she
Speaker 5: was literally covered, you know, in all this blood and
Speaker 5: gore and whatnot, and Clint Hill said he was covered
Speaker 5: in it. It was all over the back of the car.
Speaker 5: There's no photographic evidence that the car was covered with
Speaker 5: anything like that. And Clint Hill later on said that
Speaker 5: he put his he took his jacket off at Parkland
Speaker 5: Hospital and put it over Kennedy's face because it was
Speaker 5: too gory for people to see. But I can't imagine
Speaker 5: him if he was covered with blood and organic material,
Speaker 5: I can't imagine him using that jacket of his own
Speaker 5: to put over the leader of the Free worlds, presumably
Speaker 5: the leader of the Free world's head, to take him
Speaker 5: into Parkland Hospital. So I realized what I what I'm
Speaker 5: saying sounds initially at least quite outlandish in some respects.
Speaker 5: It does mean that Jackie had to have had some
Speaker 5: complicity in this, and she was not covered in blood
Speaker 5: very thoroughly at all. In fact, she only had a
Speaker 5: little bit of a stain on her skirt that was
Speaker 5: most visible when they got to Bethesda, Maryland, when she
Speaker 5: was alongside LBJ when he was sworn in later that
Speaker 5: day in November twenty second, sixty three. Her upper tarso
Speaker 5: and everything was perfectly clean. So she apparently assisted or
Speaker 5: at least witnessed the incendiary device going off. People that
Speaker 5: want to see all the other detail can can watch
Speaker 5: the IMBD video that's where my godham hit. The documentary
Speaker 5: is posted, and we'll have that link in the show
Speaker 5: notes to try and explain the whole thing is rather arduous,
Speaker 5: but I'm doing the best I can to kind of
Speaker 5: outline this, But basically, it was a cloak and dagger
Speaker 5: body switch operation where a look alike was quickly and
Speaker 5: hurriedly wheeled into Parkland. They immediately put the the respirator
Speaker 5: over the face, and the doctors in their you know,
Speaker 5: in their panic and their urgency to try and save
Speaker 5: this apparently dying human body, arguably would not have looked
Speaker 5: real close at the face or the countenance or the
Speaker 5: profile of the body that was brought in there. Arguably
Speaker 5: they would have been sidetracked or absorbed by the medical
Speaker 5: duties that they were trained to perform. So one of
Speaker 5: the signs that something was up is that they wouldn't
Speaker 5: allow the autopsy to happen as Texas law required, and
Speaker 5: they rushed the body out of there. That's one of
Speaker 5: the at least one reasonable indication that they didn't somebody
Speaker 5: at least didn't want somebody taking too close of a
Speaker 5: look at the body that they brought into trauma room one.
Speaker 5: And So, in this scenario, and I realized the gravity
Speaker 5: of what I'm saying here, it does appear that there
Speaker 5: was a high probability that a cloak and dagger operation
Speaker 5: masquerading as an assassination took place. And that's why this
Speaker 5: thing was never solved, because it wasn't an assassination. It
Speaker 5: was a abdication, and Kennedy would have been exiled, probably
Speaker 5: agreeing to some terms. He did have rather considerable back problems,
Speaker 5: Addison's disease and other health issues. He may have welcomed
Speaker 5: the retirement and the martyrdom in some twisted way. There
Speaker 5: might have been a deal he couldn't refuse. His family
Speaker 5: could have been threatened. Whatever, the Deep State maybe chose
Speaker 5: not to kill him for reasons that we can only
Speaker 5: dimly understand, if we understand it at all, and instead
Speaker 5: that they would stage the killing and martyr him and
Speaker 5: make him a hero in our memories. But that's what
Speaker 5: it boils down to is that as he was photographed
Speaker 5: in the car, he was never in the position to
Speaker 5: receive the wounds that the body in the hospital possessed.
Speaker 5: One in one is to a deductive kind of process.
Speaker 5: It might be a bit of a leap, It might
Speaker 5: be a bit of a stretch. I realized that. But
Speaker 5: as Brian and I researched this over the years, it
Speaker 5: became more and more plausible, at least beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 5: But nothing can be ironclad or air tied at this
Speaker 5: point in time. I'm trying to think if there's anything
Speaker 5: important that I've left out, I'll mention before I turn
Speaker 5: it over to questions or comments that Brian and I
Speaker 5: we even took this. This is interesting. We even took
Speaker 5: this to the Dallas DA in twenty ten. Okay. A
Speaker 5: black guy named Craig Watkins got in there, and he
Speaker 5: was a real mover and a shaker, and he wanted
Speaker 5: to solve cold cases.
Speaker 8: He made.
Speaker 5: He made story of the headlines in the Dallas Evening
Speaker 5: or the Dallas Morning News and the local radio station.
Speaker 5: I'm pred Watkins and the new DNA. I want to
Speaker 5: solve these cold cases throughout Dallas. And we went in
Speaker 5: there and talked to one of his associates and we said,
Speaker 5: we have a cold case for you that's never actually
Speaker 5: been solved. And we took a file full of what
Speaker 5: we thought was the best evidence to a detective that
Speaker 5: worked for the DA. All I remember is his first
Speaker 5: name was Rick, and he if you've ever seen a
Speaker 5: face of incredulity, a face of disbelief. The expression on
Speaker 5: his face once he understood what we were getting at
Speaker 5: it would have been the award winning expression of incredulity.
Speaker 5: And after the impact on him wore off, he said,
Speaker 5: if anything, you guys have made my day, I can't
Speaker 5: wait to tell my friends and colleagues at dinner what
Speaker 5: you guys are talking about here, he said. He said
Speaker 5: that in effect. But the first thing he said, after
Speaker 5: he listened for about maybe seven or eight minutes without
Speaker 5: saying a word, was you don't want me to exhume
Speaker 5: JFK's body, do you? Okay? I guess I'll just take
Speaker 5: it one more step if you could show that those
Speaker 5: book covers again, but not the first one, the other one.
Speaker 5: That one. Okay, there's Robert McClelland, who drew that wound
Speaker 5: in the back of that head as a likeness of
Speaker 5: what he saw in that picture at a JFK Lancer conference.
Speaker 5: I took that photo. That's my photo. He's showing the
Speaker 5: garment he wore that day with JFK quote unquote blood
Speaker 5: on it. And the other picture is the shoulder of
Speaker 5: JFK's jacket, where in Brian's opinion and my somewhat reluctant agreement.
Speaker 5: That is the shoulder area kind of the upper arm
Speaker 5: and shoulder area of JFK's jacket. And I will mention
Speaker 5: that when the statements of the Secret Service agents who
Speaker 5: were there that day, when those statements were declassified around
Speaker 5: twenty twelve, they were compiled in a book and released
Speaker 5: through the LBJ Library in Austin. And remember all the
Speaker 5: presidential libraries are part of the National Archives. Well Bennett,
Speaker 5: oh gosh, darn it, Secret Service agent Bennett, Glenn Bennett,
Speaker 5: excuse me. Glenn Bennett said he was watching the boss,
Speaker 5: his boss. I don't have the exact quote, but he
Speaker 5: said he was shot in the right shoulder. Bennett actually
Speaker 5: said he saw the bullet hit Kennedy's right shoulder. He
Speaker 5: didn't look back over his shoulder when the first shot
Speaker 5: was fired. Some people thought it was a firecracker, some
Speaker 5: thought it was a bullet. He kept looking forward in
Speaker 5: the Queen Mary the car right behind JFK's He said
Speaker 5: he saw the Boss get shot on the right shoulder.
Speaker 5: That was in that compilation of Secret Service agent witness accounts.
Speaker 5: But anyway, here's the real kicker. If if it's true
Speaker 5: that the body that went into Truma Room one was
Speaker 5: not the same body that rode in the limo through
Speaker 5: that motorcade. Then that means that the blood that got
Speaker 5: onto doctor Robert McClellan's garment came from the impostor not
Speaker 5: the real Kennedy. If that's true, and I'm stressing the word,
Speaker 5: if this is true, then that means that if you
Speaker 5: tested the blood on that garment and you took JFK's
Speaker 5: blood type, what if they didn't match? That would be
Speaker 5: a real cherry on top. Well, Brian contacted Robert McClellan,
Speaker 5: and when Brian started asking those kind of questions and
Speaker 5: recommending that kind of action, doctor McClelland clammed up and
Speaker 5: wouldn't speak to Brian anymore. He got very defensive. But
Speaker 5: one of the things that you'll find interesting too, I
Speaker 5: keep thinking of that, and I apologize. If you read
Speaker 5: the New York Times obituary of doctor Robert McClellan a
Speaker 5: few years back, he actually mentions, and they printed it,
Speaker 5: that he met a guy during his latter years that
Speaker 5: claimed that Kennedy was a ringer, that the body brought
Speaker 5: into Trummer Room one was a ringer or a doppelganger.
Speaker 5: He used the word ringer, and oh, isn't that absurd?
Speaker 5: But that reference to Brian and indirectly to me made
Speaker 5: it into the obituary for McClellan in the New York Times,
Speaker 5: So he and his family would would never respond, including
Speaker 5: his family after he passed away, to Brian's repeated please
Speaker 5: and repeated suggestions that they get that blood tested to
Speaker 5: see if it matched Kennedy's blood. And so that never happened.
Speaker 5: So somewhere in a safe depositive box lies that garment,
Speaker 5: and the results of that blood test could prove to
Speaker 5: be very, very interesting. And that is, in essence, that
Speaker 5: was my experience as sort of the reluctant researcherround this
Speaker 5: whole thing. I still feel a sense of trepidation about it,
Speaker 5: kind of an anxiousness when I talk about it. I
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of truth to it, and I
Speaker 5: think it's highly probable, and yet I fight the programming
Speaker 5: again that we've all been subjected to, and sometimes I
Speaker 5: kind of revert out of it and I think, no,
Speaker 5: that just can't be. And then I come back around
Speaker 5: and I think, well, but that explains why we never
Speaker 5: solved it. I keep coming back to that. But it's
Speaker 5: a tough thing to get into your head, precisely because
Speaker 5: of what we've all been taught. It conflicts so hard
Speaker 5: that you get this sort of conflicted feeling, this dissonance,
Speaker 5: dissonance in your mind, and you can't get rid of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I'll stop there.
Speaker 5: Because you know I'll start repeating myself and I don't
Speaker 5: want to do that.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, just a couple of things for me
Speaker 3: before we go around the room here. This is not
Speaker 3: the only theory of what happened that day that involves
Speaker 3: a doppelganger and a body swap. I've seen. I don't
Speaker 3: have a I don't have it up in front of me.
Speaker 3: I think, if memory serves, it might have been part
Speaker 3: of the JFK to nine to eleven war as a
Speaker 3: rich man's racket or something like that, as some long
Speaker 3: convoluted title. But I think that might have been part
Speaker 3: of their narrative in there. Forgive me if I'm wrong
Speaker 3: on that, somebody can correct me. But I've seen that
Speaker 3: one in a different circumstance. But in that one, the
Speaker 3: body swap is, you know, the logical leaf there is
Speaker 3: that the body swap happened between somewhere between Trauma Room
Speaker 3: one and Bethesda rather than on the site. And on
Speaker 3: the site, I gotta say, on the site, what you know,
Speaker 3: the scenario that you're describing here feels a little bit
Speaker 3: more cloak and dagger, And what would you expect this
Speaker 3: to be anything but very cloak and dagger at this point.
Speaker 3: And you know, you got to keep in mind also
Speaker 3: just as added context, that there was a massive giant
Speaker 3: rift between JFK and the Intel community. The Intel community
Speaker 3: did not like this guy. And you can go back
Speaker 3: just what was that five years ago, six years ago
Speaker 3: and find video Maybe I'll play it if I can
Speaker 3: find it, if I get a moment, but you can
Speaker 3: find video of just not that long ago Chuck Schumer
Speaker 3: during Trump Presidency number one saying, Hey, you know, you
Speaker 3: don't want to go up against the Intel agencies. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's he's seriously sitting there, like, you know, low key
Speaker 3: threatening Trump or you know, telling Trump that he's in
Speaker 3: grave danger if he goes after uh, the Intel community.
Speaker 3: He says, they will get you, essentially, to paraphrase him,
Speaker 3: they'll come after you. And at this point, you know
Speaker 3: JFK had booted multiple people and he had threatened to
Speaker 3: shut down the CIA. He said that he would quote
Speaker 3: splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it
Speaker 3: to the wins. And you know, he also disrupted the
Speaker 3: the Bay of Pigs operation, which wasn't INTEL operation. He
Speaker 3: fired the leadership there. Uh, he fired uh the brother
Speaker 3: of the mayor of Dallas. The mayor of Dallas that
Speaker 3: day changed the route also and the mayor of Dallas. Uh,
Speaker 3: his brother was the former CIA director fired by JFK.
Speaker 3: So you know Dall, Dallas, That's right, Dulles. So just imagine,
Speaker 3: just to underline what you said earlier, Mark about the
Speaker 3: Warrant Commission, Just imagine if Donald Trump had been shot
Speaker 3: back there in Pennsylvania and Joe Biden picked like I
Speaker 3: don't know, William Burns or Gina Haspell, you know, Christopher Ray,
Speaker 3: people like that to be in charge of the commission
Speaker 3: to investigate it. I mean, that's that that's a you
Speaker 3: know what if that's a pretty good analog to what
Speaker 3: that must have felt like back then. So, if the
Speaker 3: Intel agencies are that dangerous when it comes to things
Speaker 3: that are absolute for them, I don't think that it.
Speaker 3: You know, the more I'm thinking about it, I don't
Speaker 3: think it would be outside of the realms of possibility
Speaker 3: for them to have done that to him without him
Speaker 3: knowing it, or threatened him into accepting that, and or Jackie.
Speaker 3: You know, they got a pretty big family and this
Speaker 3: this is an octopus that comes with pretty big threats
Speaker 3: when they when they you know what I mean. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: very interesting. I'll yield right there. I'm going to hand
Speaker 3: it over to Bays to see him holding up books already,
Speaker 3: So Bays don't know you want to jump in here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, well he he did famously fire Alan Dulles,
Speaker 6: who was on the ended up on the Warrant Commission,
Speaker 6: which is crazy.
Speaker 1: You were just referring to that.
Speaker 6: He was also Kennedy was also famously at war with
Speaker 6: US Steel at the time.
Speaker 1: I think he and his brother RFK.
Speaker 6: Had raided the offices of the steel industry and that
Speaker 6: had had opened the books. They were not happy about that.
Speaker 6: The mob was really unhappy. And aside from all the
Speaker 6: things that we kind of already know from you know,
Speaker 6: this being around for like sixty years in a cornerstone
Speaker 6: of all the sea spiracy work, you know, the entire
Speaker 6: sea spiracy sphere at all, it's one of the like
Speaker 6: monolithic things in it. A couple of wild things came
Speaker 6: out of the document release the other day, and it
Speaker 6: is huge, and there's like there's no real way to
Speaker 6: search easily, and the thing you can't do a word
Speaker 6: search or anything on the archives site. I heard boomer
Speaker 6: Larry Sabado from UVA talking today about how he had
Speaker 6: a whole team of researchers grad students searching and they
Speaker 6: got through about twenty percent of the entire tranch, and
Speaker 6: he kind of said some things that that I also
Speaker 6: pull came away with. I tried to avoid media takes
Speaker 6: on this, but one of the wild there are a
Speaker 6: bunch of wild things that came out of this. One
Speaker 6: is that you can immediately see why CIA wanted this,
Speaker 6: tried to tried to block you know, this from being
Speaker 6: published for so many years, and the reason is that
Speaker 6: it does seem to be completely unredacted. There are code names,
Speaker 6: cover names, basses named uh, secret station stations, the way
Speaker 6: they go about getting a di cryptic, the way they
Speaker 6: go about getting code names, what the covers were doing,
Speaker 6: who they were doing it for, and it's pretty wild
Speaker 6: to see that stuff like laid bare in documents because
Speaker 6: we've speculated about stuff. You you, you know, you look
Speaker 6: at documents that are redacted for years and researchers find things.
Speaker 6: But to see it all kind of laid out like
Speaker 6: that is pretty is pretty crazy. There's no smoking gun
Speaker 6: in the thing so far, at least. I mean, you
Speaker 6: can imagine, you can imagine, you know, if you were
Speaker 6: a CIA, if you were there right for sixty years
Speaker 6: talking about how you know, it's not gonna you're gonna
Speaker 6: get rid of all the papers, right, all of those
Speaker 6: are going to go, the smoking gun papers. But there
Speaker 6: are wild things that come out of this, especially wiretaps
Speaker 6: and conversations with mob figures, which is is pretty insane.
Speaker 6: There's a bunch of stuff with Sam g and Kanna
Speaker 6: Costello ZR Rifle. As mentioned, I ran the whole thing
Speaker 6: right when it came out through Chad GPT, which came
Speaker 6: up with some stuff. And it can't do like a
Speaker 6: live word search, but it can come up with stuff,
Speaker 6: and I ran a bunch of names through it. Frank
Speaker 6: Sturgis appears a bunch of times, you know, I look
Speaker 6: for Howard Hunt, the usual sort of suspects, and there
Speaker 6: are a bunch of documents about looking into and investigating,
Speaker 6: you know, allegations of those guys being the shoeless bums
Speaker 6: at the event. Looked up George H. W. Bush, Sapata,
Speaker 6: ZR Rifle, MH chaos, you know, words, words that you're
Speaker 6: usually associated with all this stuff. And one of the
Speaker 6: wild things is that there's a document that defines all
Speaker 6: of the the two letter cryptic symbols, the MH like,
Speaker 6: for instance, MH chaos. They admit to MH chaos and
Speaker 6: running domestic operation around the time of co Intel prou
Speaker 6: There's a whole thing. There's a whole bunch of Watergate documents.
Speaker 6: There's one document that talks about how the plumbers, the
Speaker 6: White House plumbers, if they get caught, this will happen.
Speaker 6: If they don't get caught, then then we've succeeded. And
Speaker 6: then there's a there's one paragraph that talks about how
Speaker 6: Nixon is going to blame the intelligence community, and so
Speaker 6: this is what we have to do, and we have
Speaker 6: to counteract this by running stories through Time magazine. Time
Speaker 6: magazines mentioned a lot Henry Luce, of course, that's their
Speaker 6: main arm. Mockingbird is mentioned, not not really by name,
Speaker 6: but the actions of it. A bunch of times. ZR rifle.
Speaker 6: If anybody knows, ZR rifle is the code for assassination.
Speaker 6: And there is so much in this about the plans
Speaker 6: for assassination of Castro. It's which is is pretty wild.
Speaker 6: It's just right there. I just recently covered Sidney Gottlieb,
Speaker 6: the poisoner in chief of CIA, and he's mentioned numerous times,
Speaker 6: especially with regard to devising and you know, coming up
Speaker 6: with the poison to to get rid of Castro. There's
Speaker 6: one particular thing that came across which is the wildest thing.
Speaker 6: And I found this by searching Frank Sturgis. And this
Speaker 6: is like a seven hundred page miscellaney from the Church
Speaker 6: Committee hearings on assassination and in it there's a there's
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff, but in it around page six
Speaker 6: forty seven. If anybody's interested, you can just search through it.
Speaker 6: Search for Frank Sturgies, find the miscellany for the comm
Speaker 6: Church Committee hearings and on around page six forty seven.
Speaker 6: I found this because I was spurging rabbit holding through
Speaker 6: the entire document. There is a whole a whole segment
Speaker 6: with a narrative talking about the cooperation between CIA and
Speaker 6: Johnny Roselli, Sam G and Conna, how sam G and
Speaker 6: Kanna plan to carry the poison down to Cuba to
Speaker 6: get Castro. Let's see ZR Rifle is mentioned here. It
Speaker 6: says they talk about let's see executive action capability. Harvey
Speaker 6: says Missel Richard Bisseol told him to include Cuba in
Speaker 6: ZR Rifle the program to take over SINDI get connection.
Speaker 6: Roselli's knowledge of either of these dates ZR Rifle and
Speaker 6: Castro assassination plans synonymous. And I'll just end with this.
Speaker 6: I think that the weirdest takeaway from this whole giant
Speaker 6: release is the fact that I recently covered the Final
Speaker 6: what was it called Twin Peaks book, the Final Dossier,
Speaker 6: And the thing that annoyed me about the book is
Speaker 6: that it's a fictional book about an FBI investigation into
Speaker 6: the town of Twin Peaks. And there's like a weird
Speaker 6: narrative in the book from the agent who's doing it.
Speaker 6: But this set of documents, this whole thing has like
Speaker 6: a weird narrative to it. There takes opinion, there's like
Speaker 6: subjective stuff, there's there's rumor, innuendo, gossip. Oh, we can't
Speaker 6: get this guy because he's kind of a crackpot, but
Speaker 6: we'll see what he does. We followed him to the
Speaker 6: house where his wife was cheating on him. She's you know,
Speaker 6: she's you know. It's weird to see that in documents that,
Speaker 6: because they've always been redacted, have come across as like
Speaker 6: technical documents with codes. But there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: stuff in this that's like, it reads like a narrative
Speaker 6: with these people talking to each other in secret, and
Speaker 6: if anyone's interested in stuff that, there's so much of
Speaker 6: course that deals with the entire event. But I'll say this,
Speaker 6: probably the best and most truthful angle on this whole
Speaker 6: thing was this book by Don Delio Don DeLillo. It's
Speaker 6: called Libra, and this is a work of postmodern fiction.
Speaker 6: It's a lauded, well known novel, and it covers basically
Speaker 6: a fictional guy who's responsible for going through the documents
Speaker 6: and declassification in the eighties, and basically what he comes
Speaker 6: to find is that the thing is so convoluted that
Speaker 6: it ends up being what James Angleton called a wilderness
Speaker 6: of mirrors, and that there's you you cannot make your
Speaker 6: way through it, and it's sort of by design and
Speaker 6: it becomes just a datas view. The other one is
Speaker 6: this classic, this classic. This is one of the first
Speaker 6: things I read on JFK. This classic book of course
Speaker 6: by Mark Lane. I'm sure people have read this, Mark
Speaker 6: Lane's Plausible Denial. Pretty you know, this is a good
Speaker 6: classic book on the assassination. We'll see how well that
Speaker 6: holds up now. And then finally this book, which doesn't
Speaker 6: seem to be related but is. This is a biography
Speaker 6: of Khruse Jeff And this is important because it talks
Speaker 6: about the relationship the Kruse Chef and Kennedy had because
Speaker 6: he was you know, they were they were they they
Speaker 6: were the opposing sides during the human missile crisis, et cetera.
Speaker 6: And the documents kind of they're weird because it shows
Speaker 6: how cia, how much they knew about Oswald code named
Speaker 6: I guess Alvarez. I guess that was his code word
Speaker 6: that they gave him. But leading up to this, I mean,
Speaker 6: all through Soviet Union, his travels, memos back and forth,
Speaker 6: cables from the various bases, and and all this diplomatic
Speaker 6: stuff going on about Oswald, and they knew all about him.
Speaker 6: There's a document that shows they gave twenty five thousand
Speaker 6: dollars to fair Play for Cuba. All the anti Castro
Speaker 6: Cuban stuff, Brigade twenty five oh six, Sturgis Howard Hunt,
Speaker 6: all this stuff is in there. And the thing about
Speaker 6: kruse Chef that's weird is that when he heard that
Speaker 6: Kennedy died, according to this and according to the I
Speaker 6: guess the official history, of course, he wept. And apparently
Speaker 6: they say that that Castro did the same. And I
Speaker 6: think part of that, the part that's believable, would be
Speaker 6: because they were in days at the time, and because
Speaker 6: if they got to this guy in their own place,
Speaker 6: then what it means for them and the rest of
Speaker 6: the powers that be I suppose, But who knows if
Speaker 6: that's even true?
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, Mark, go ahead, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I got a question. Did you come across in the
Speaker 5: current document dumb? And would you call? Also? I understand
Speaker 5: that there's not much of it, if any of it
Speaker 5: is annotated, there's not a lot of categorization. That it
Speaker 5: is kind of just a spew of data. Is that true?
Speaker 5: But in addition, is there something in this latest data dump?
Speaker 5: There have been others in recent years about a Gary
Speaker 5: Underhill who said the CIA did it and was found suicided.
Speaker 5: I guess he was right handed, but they found a
Speaker 5: pistol wound behind his left ear. Is scary Underhill in
Speaker 5: this latest data down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's mentioned and I came across that whole thing, like,
Speaker 6: I don't my chance. I guess because it's so massive.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no way to search. There's a search bar,
Speaker 6: but you have to I guess you're searching document numbers,
Speaker 6: so there's no like word search, there's no index. It's
Speaker 6: like you said, it's just a giant spew. And the
Speaker 6: the other releases, as far as I can remember, like
Speaker 6: haven't been like that. Or maybe that's because time is
Speaker 6: passed and you can search, you know, can name search
Speaker 6: and stuff. Underhill is mentioned a bunch of times. Is
Speaker 6: exactly as you said, he reported being in fear for
Speaker 6: his life. Six months later he's on alived and they
Speaker 6: it's called in the document, you know, an S side.
Speaker 1: A lot of the things.
Speaker 6: I think what's going to happen with a lot of
Speaker 6: these documents is that people are going to read them
Speaker 6: and assume that this proves a thing, but in fact
Speaker 6: you're only looking at a document that shows that they
Speaker 6: investigated a thing, or that someone said or someone said
Speaker 6: to someone else, or that they've heard a lot of
Speaker 6: you know me, I'd say probably twenty percent of the
Speaker 6: documents are just like photo copies of you know, mainstream
Speaker 6: articles about the thing. There's a whole like five page
Speaker 6: set on you know, Frank Sturgis is going to be
Speaker 6: a guest on some talk show tonight, and here's what
Speaker 6: he's probably going to say, and here's what we need
Speaker 6: to say to him beforehand.
Speaker 5: I also talked I talked to a professor today that
Speaker 5: I mentioned, a David Denton. He said that there was
Speaker 5: a little bit of evidence, you know, pretty strong evidence,
Speaker 5: but not a lot of it, that the CIA was
Speaker 5: watching Mark Lane surveilling him. He was speaking in right
Speaker 5: after the events of sixty three in Switzerland, and there
Speaker 5: was another author, and the CIA was concerned about authors
Speaker 5: who were who were deeply exploring what the Warrant Commission
Speaker 5: refused to look into. So I guess supposedly that's part
Speaker 5: of the new data dump, is that the CIA didn't
Speaker 5: like these uh uh, these these inquirers, these authors that
Speaker 5: were digging deeper than the Commission was willing to go.
Speaker 6: I haven't come across that one, but I'm sure that
Speaker 6: that's that's absolutely accurate. I mean, the the amount of
Speaker 6: mail tampering that it shows is like really incredible. With
Speaker 6: the you know, the the US Soviet male speaking of
Speaker 6: writers and who they went after. There's a whole list
Speaker 6: of targets of you know, of subversive people, famous people
Speaker 6: that are on their radar, including like Norman Mailers on there,
Speaker 6: a bunch of people that you would already assume are
Speaker 6: on there, but it was it was weird that Norman
Speaker 6: Mailer was like at the top of this list.
Speaker 1: And this is.
Speaker 6: That that particular document is from early on, like well
Speaker 6: before you know, hippie uh protest stuff. This is like
Speaker 6: early sixties lists of subversives, subversives and who to watch.
Speaker 5: Let me let me ask you this. I know there's
Speaker 5: a lot to look at and and what I heard
Speaker 5: from Professor Denton, by the way, is there's gonna be
Speaker 5: an effort to put a search search function on this,
Speaker 5: and they're supposedly going to be an effort to make
Speaker 5: it more organized and categorized, just so you know. But
Speaker 5: what he said and what I'm what you seem to
Speaker 5: be saying, is there's not a lot that's directly about
Speaker 5: JFK and the assassination quote unquote, that a lot of
Speaker 5: it is more of a broad brush about other goings
Speaker 5: on in the sixties, maybe MLK and the Vietnam War,
Speaker 5: of various communiques and correspondence, but not all of it,
Speaker 5: or at least not most of it even pertaining directly
Speaker 5: to JFK and the events in Dallas. And that's always
Speaker 5: been a complaint or a concern, is that the Intel
Speaker 5: agencies are just throwing us another bone. They're giving us
Speaker 5: huge quantities of info, but not a lot of qualitative value.
Speaker 5: And we still don't have the riddle solved that here
Speaker 5: a lot of those kind of refrains, and are we
Speaker 5: getting more of the same. Is this going to be
Speaker 5: another data dump where we end up right back where
Speaker 5: we started, not knowing the full or at least sufficiently
Speaker 5: full answers as to what happened in Dallas.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that it's clear, you know, if you
Speaker 6: look at this stuff, just you know, you start scanning stuff.
Speaker 6: After about an hour, it's clear that you're not we're
Speaker 6: not going to get a smoking gun statement. We're not
Speaker 6: going to get you know, we're not going to get
Speaker 6: like a cable from Dulles or something to Howard Hunt.
Speaker 6: It's like, good job on that thing in that place,
Speaker 6: We're not going to get that, right.
Speaker 1: It is clear.
Speaker 6: It is clear that if anything uh CIA in particular
Speaker 6: was up to a whole there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: stuff that Again it's like we a lot of us
Speaker 6: already know all this stuff, or we got it from
Speaker 6: reading books or you know, research into stuff, and you
Speaker 6: kind of put it together like a like a puzzle
Speaker 6: or a mosaic. But what's what I think is really
Speaker 6: important is that there that a lot of that is
Speaker 6: vindicated to like right there in front of you. It's
Speaker 6: vindicates and official documents right there right for instance, a
Speaker 6: CIA mob cooperation right the mainstream narrative on that is like, na, no,
Speaker 6: that's that's the conspiracy there, And it's like no, it's
Speaker 6: right there. There's the official memos, cables, agents talking to
Speaker 6: people there, wire taps from g ANDCANA, plans to assassinate council.
Speaker 1: It's all right there, all the stuff that people have
Speaker 1: always said. So it's there.
Speaker 6: There's like there's so much in it because it's all
Speaker 6: like in the JFK sphere and at the time, so
Speaker 6: all of this other stuff pops up. Lammba's in there, CONGO,
Speaker 6: British Intelligence, Vietnam LBJ. Some things that are not in
Speaker 6: there so far that I can find are any mention
Speaker 6: of Mac Wallace. Malcolm Wallace, who's lbj's supposed hitman, right
Speaker 6: hand man and supposedly one of the one of the
Speaker 6: lists of shooters mentioned probably you know, they say he
Speaker 6: was the one of the grass you know, but it
Speaker 6: reiterates that the Church Committee hearings in nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 6: they found that it was possible that there was a
Speaker 6: conspiracy of some kind and that the shots from the
Speaker 6: Grassy Knoll were probable because of the acoustic the acoustic
Speaker 6: experiments that they did, which count you know, that contradicts
Speaker 6: the Warren Commission. There's a lot about the Warren Commission
Speaker 6: and how like bad, bad, or convoluted it was, or
Speaker 6: the results from it, or how people were reacting. Also
Speaker 6: not mentioned, maybe James E. Files, who I've always kind
Speaker 6: of believed was the mob element. He supposedly was the
Speaker 6: Chicago outfit shooter from the overpass, which may be. But
Speaker 6: if he, if he was, that guy. Then of course
Speaker 6: they've had sixty years to go, Oh this is on
Speaker 6: this paper, but bye, I'm not going to get that.
Speaker 6: That would be the first thing you tread.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the good stuff. Again, good stuff's all been shredded, burned, deleted, magnetized, uh,
Speaker 3: obliterated in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's not there's not like a tweet from
Speaker 6: LBJ that's like, you know, got his.
Speaker 3: Ass, Yeah, exactly, all right. So one of the go ahead,
Speaker 3: Infidel go ahead.
Speaker 7: One of the things that that I opened just randomly,
Speaker 7: the lost few documents and the dump sequence, and all
Speaker 7: of them were talking about Cuba. And I also noticed,
Speaker 7: like there's a lot of people talking about the differences
Speaker 7: to Cuba and how they some of the document tried
Speaker 7: to frame Oswald as a Cuban slash USSR Acid. That's
Speaker 7: true from what you read.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a there's a ton about Cuba, most of
Speaker 6: it relating to a bay of pigs twenty five out
Speaker 6: of six brigade, And most of the Oswald stuff is
Speaker 6: in the context of his activities in the Soviet Union,
Speaker 6: Like there's there's a whole there's a whole transcript of
Speaker 6: a phone call from an embassy that I read that
Speaker 6: was like it had it had Ivy and ev Inner
Speaker 6: interior voice, exterior voice, it was like inside voice. So
Speaker 6: the person is talking to Tough Oswald on the phone
Speaker 6: at the embassy. They're like, yeah, he's here right now,
Speaker 6: and he says this, and he wants a passport. And
Speaker 6: then what they're supposed to say in response to that.
Speaker 6: Because it's like a live cable from you know, headquarters
Speaker 6: or whatever, there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of that.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of like, oh, we you know, we
Speaker 6: tracked him to Mexico City. Then there's a bunch of
Speaker 6: stuff about people that came forward and said that they
Speaker 6: saw him in this place, in that place. George Mornshield
Speaker 6: is thoroughly gone through. He's the guy who like owls
Speaker 6: to Oswald and apparently funded him. Mornshield is he's c
Speaker 6: I A. He's a CI connected guy. He's a businessman,
Speaker 6: he's got he's an asset. But as far as like
Speaker 6: Cuba goes, it's just fair play for Cuba. And and
Speaker 6: and then as far as I can tell so far,
Speaker 6: operations that they were doing in Cuba prior to Oswald.
Speaker 7: I believe there's even like you mention that I've seen
Speaker 7: the references to that that the US got some until beforehand,
Speaker 7: that Oswald was trying to kill him, right, that was
Speaker 7: they were in Europe or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's in there.
Speaker 6: There's there are Soviet cables in Russian and then translated
Speaker 6: about Oswald and his apparent intentions. One of the things
Speaker 6: that I always forget, which comes out in this Libra
Speaker 6: book is the fact that Oswald attempted an assassination a
Speaker 6: week beforehand. I forget who it was on. It was
Speaker 6: on it one Wallace, it was on I think a
Speaker 6: general same. I remember I was talking about Edwin Walker,
Speaker 6: that the guy shot at a week like a week prior.
Speaker 6: Military man, Yeah Walker, yeah right, Yeah, who was affiliated
Speaker 6: with the John Birch Society, one of the right wing
Speaker 6: groups that allegedly had it out for Kennedy because he
Speaker 6: was too pro un supposedly pro Communist.
Speaker 5: One of the things an observation someone made that was
Speaker 5: real quick that was interesting was it's interesting that Oswald
Speaker 5: not shooting at a moving target missed Walker, but shooting
Speaker 5: at a moving target supposedly hit Kennedy. That was an
Speaker 5: interesting observation I heard once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, moving target sharpshooter from an upward angle. Right sharpshooter
Speaker 3: one day, can't hit the broadside of a barn next.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I won't make too much of that, but
Speaker 5: it's an interesting observation.
Speaker 7: To seem like the guy that shot out Trump right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: so so Mark you mentioned when you were talking, right,
Speaker 7: you just you said, yeah, that's also not the driver,
Speaker 7: because I know that this was alternative theory, that all
Speaker 7: what we've seen like are not the two images and
Speaker 7: actually he was actually should by the driver, Like, what's
Speaker 7: the deal with this one?
Speaker 5: Well, to explain that if the driver would have done it,
Speaker 5: then you would you would have had the wound. I
Speaker 5: think the film would have caught the bullet going in
Speaker 5: the front and coming out the back, but instead the
Speaker 5: back of his head remained intact, and the angle to
Speaker 5: achieve what the body in trauma room won actually showed.
Speaker 5: The angle just wasn't right for that. And so I'm
Speaker 5: looking at it as precisely as you can. Again, it
Speaker 5: comes back to for that to happen, for the body
Speaker 5: in the trauma room to possess wounds, the theme rider
Speaker 5: in the car could not have could not have sustained
Speaker 5: or could not have received. Then you're dealing with more
Speaker 5: than one per and logically as difficult as it is
Speaker 5: to conceive in a way, but I always thought that
Speaker 5: that was, you know, just kind of a diversion away
Speaker 5: from what ultimately really happened. The thing about Brian's theory
Speaker 5: that I helped him with is, even though it's a
Speaker 5: lot to swallow, it does take you somewhere. It gets
Speaker 5: you to kind of a fresh plateau where you can
Speaker 5: begin to look at the event outside of the parameters
Speaker 5: that we've been given. And so even if you don't
Speaker 5: agree with what I'm saying, what I do ask is
Speaker 5: that you consider the fresh perspective that it gives you.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, maybe it wasn't at all what we
Speaker 5: were told. Let me think about this. And what I
Speaker 5: tell people in live audiences when I talk about this
Speaker 5: is don't give me an immediate response. Necessarily, take the
Speaker 5: time to think about it. Take the time to think
Speaker 5: of this whole thing through a different lens. Sleep on it,
Speaker 5: you know, consider it, ponder it. Email me later with
Speaker 5: your questions or your comments. You know, because you have
Speaker 5: to deprogram, at least to a limited degree to even
Speaker 5: make room in your mind to even consider this, even
Speaker 5: if you don't fully accept it, you got to push
Speaker 5: the programming to the side a little bit and allow
Speaker 5: it in. It's a paradigm shift. And if you will,
Speaker 5: Brian show, there's a couple additional photos I sent. Are
Speaker 5: those accessible?
Speaker 3: We'll find out. Let's see.
Speaker 5: I sent two. Once I look through the PowerPoint that
Speaker 5: I'm updating from the last live presentation, I realized there
Speaker 5: was one or two more. Okay, here we go. Now
Speaker 5: this is on the feeder road coming off of Stemmen's
Speaker 5: Freeway en route to Parkland Hospital. The arrow shows where
Speaker 5: the left foot of a person is sticking out. Now
Speaker 5: that's Clint Hill. Now you'll notice that Clint Hill is
Speaker 5: standing with both feet on the back seat. And look
Speaker 5: at how far down his legs go. Okay, is he
Speaker 5: standing on the seat that Jackie and Jackie and John
Speaker 5: Kennedy were sitting on with He's almost He's almost down
Speaker 5: to his privates there, he's upper thigh deep in there.
Speaker 5: So ask yourself this question. Is he standing on the
Speaker 5: surface of the seat they were sitting on, or is
Speaker 5: he standing in a opening made by flipping the seat
Speaker 5: forward or something to that effect. His legs are very
Speaker 5: deep in there, and that is not his foot. He
Speaker 5: would have to be a contortionist. Now, if Kennedy were
Speaker 5: hit in the head with a high powered rifle bullet,
Speaker 5: would he be physically pliable enough after having slouched to
Speaker 5: his left and reportedly falling onto Jackie's lap? Would he
Speaker 5: have been in any kind of physical shape to stretch
Speaker 5: out his left foot and have it come over the
Speaker 5: edge of the car like that. Brian felt that that's
Speaker 5: when they what you're looking at there is when they're
Speaker 5: doing the body switch, and so the left foot is
Speaker 5: protruding out there. Is that Kennedy's foot? And it could
Speaker 5: be because we're saying he wasn't actually fatally shot in
Speaker 5: the head, or is that the imposter's foot as he's
Speaker 5: being put into position. We don't know. But the other
Speaker 5: photo I sent is also extremely intriguing, and it came
Speaker 5: from some JFK researchers, a huge photo collection I believe
Speaker 5: associated with a j lancer group. It's not that here
Speaker 5: we go. This is very very interesting. Apparently somebody took
Speaker 5: this from an overpass looking down at the car. Clint
Speaker 5: Hill never testified being in that kind of body position
Speaker 5: where he's laying flat with his leg sticking out along
Speaker 5: the back along the top of the back seat of
Speaker 5: the car where the trunk, top of the trunk meets
Speaker 5: the back seat. And in my opinion, the body of
Speaker 5: that person right there does not look like the stocky
Speaker 5: Clint Hill. It looks like a more Langley or willowy person.
Speaker 5: Either JFK or the looklike this might have only been
Speaker 5: for an instant, but isn't that curious. Clint Hill said
Speaker 5: that he was hanging onto the car, you know, in
Speaker 5: the conventional position that we've seen him in where he
Speaker 5: kind of had one leg out and one leg in
Speaker 5: the back seat and he was kind of clutching the car.
Speaker 5: This is not from Brian's work directly. This is a
Speaker 5: photo that I found in this collection from I believe
Speaker 5: it's the JFK L Answer group or somebody that is
Speaker 5: associated with them. And I cannot do a positive idea
Speaker 5: on idea on what this photo is, but it's very curious.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, it doesn't look like Clint Hill. And
Speaker 5: in my opinion, it's the same body that had that
Speaker 5: foot protruding out in that other photo. This would appear
Speaker 5: to be and I'm stressing the word appear a little
Speaker 5: bit of photographic evidence that they were moving bodies around,
Speaker 5: but it's inconclusive. I'm always very careful about these things.
Speaker 5: I'm going to call it inconclusive, but it's certainly intriguing.
Speaker 3: It certainly isn't any sort of tactical or defense position,
Speaker 3: either of those. If that foot was to have been
Speaker 3: Clint in that first picture we looked at there, that
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. You know, that's not a place
Speaker 3: you can maneuver to protect someone with. It's not a
Speaker 3: place you can rotate easily with, you know, if you
Speaker 3: have to defend yourself or get quickly out of you're
Speaker 3: essentially he'd be wedging his leg into that like corner
Speaker 3: nook of the car right there. That doesn't make any
Speaker 3: sense why you would contort yourself like that if you
Speaker 3: were doing your job as secret service and hopping to
Speaker 3: to a tactical defensive position like that. And the only
Speaker 3: thing you could say about that second one we looked
Speaker 3: at is yeah, maybe that's him, you know, being a
Speaker 3: human shield. But that's not even the best way to
Speaker 3: do that, And that's not a natural way to do that.
Speaker 3: After having climbed, you know, into or onto the back
Speaker 3: of the car the way that he did, so that
Speaker 3: that picture is very curious. And I'm also I was
Speaker 3: queuing in on what's going on on the back of
Speaker 3: this guy's jacket here? Is that just wind, you know,
Speaker 3: blowing through it? It almost looks like there's a I
Speaker 3: don't know, that jacket looks unnatural to me for some reason.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would guess it's maybe wind. And again I
Speaker 5: believe it's not a sharp photo, but my instincts and
Speaker 5: my eyes tell me it's someone that's more willowy and
Speaker 5: taller than the rather relatively stocky Clint Hill. And if
Speaker 5: it was the body that was shot quasi fatally for
Speaker 5: the switch to take place, logically speaking purely logic here,
Speaker 5: that person wouldn't have the strength to hang onto the car,
Speaker 5: so by process of elimination, that body would be that
Speaker 5: of Kennedy, very much alive, hanging on while the switch
Speaker 5: is taking place. I'm extrapolating, and I'm using only logic again,
Speaker 5: that the actual photo is inconclusive and it's not sharp,
Speaker 5: So it's guesswork is what I'm engaging in. But logically,
Speaker 5: someone weakened practically to the point of death by a bullet.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't stick them out there momentarily. Someone put out
Speaker 5: there would be someone who has the ability to hang
Speaker 5: on until they are put where they need to go.
Speaker 5: And so that's sort of through the looking glass that
Speaker 5: I'm extrapolating on what Brian did. Again, this is not
Speaker 5: directly a part of Brian David Anderson's work that I,
Speaker 5: again assisted with. It wasn't my work in a major sense.
Speaker 5: I worked on certain elements of it, and again we
Speaker 5: had some very interesting experiences. But I wanted to get
Speaker 5: those photos in there because it shows at least the
Speaker 5: suggestion that there was something going on on in that
Speaker 5: backseat that was rather unusual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, let me go to Rucus and then
Speaker 3: I got some from the audience. I want to throw
Speaker 3: you guys his way. Uh ruckus.
Speaker 9: What do you think you got that Scully audio for me?
Speaker 3: Always dude? Yeah, you know, I got that one set
Speaker 3: up somewhere.
Speaker 1: I've had my fair.
Speaker 9: Share about righteous conspiracy theories. Okay, so cut the mystery
Speaker 9: crap and get to the science. Okay, So thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I'm going to play the skeptic on this one. This
Speaker 9: seems like quite the complicated plot. Just to do a
Speaker 9: body swap when I already heard when I've already heard
Speaker 9: the body swap theory by I was trying the hardest
Speaker 9: to remember who it was. At first I thought it
Speaker 9: was Richard Belzer, you know, the actor from Law and
Speaker 9: Order SVU. He's written a number of books about JFK.
Speaker 9: I didn't read his main books about JFK, but one
Speaker 9: of his books was about a bunch of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 9: I think you had misquoting this bigfoot UFOs aliens and
Speaker 9: JFK conspiracies. You don't have to be crazy to believe
Speaker 9: or something like that, like one of these books, right,
Speaker 9: And in the JFK section, I could have swore it
Speaker 9: was his book, but it might have been somebody else's.
Speaker 9: So I was reading a bunch of books about this
Speaker 9: at the time, but I'd heard this body switch theory.
Speaker 9: And they even named the person who could have been
Speaker 9: very well the victim, and he was a dead ringer
Speaker 9: for JFK and he was killed that same day, so
Speaker 9: it was like but it was like a separate incident,
Speaker 9: like an outside mugging slash murder killing. So I've already
Speaker 9: been hip to this idea that it wasn't that. I
Speaker 9: believe the body switch theory is what I'm telling you
Speaker 9: for other reasons, but for them to have done the
Speaker 9: murdering while so you're saying that they killed this guy
Speaker 9: in the trunk of the car and the secret compartment
Speaker 9: and enrolled like it seems like too much that could
Speaker 9: go wrong that people could see. I mean, there were
Speaker 9: a lot of people out there. There were a lot
Speaker 9: of cameras that day. They even had the video camera.
Speaker 9: People were out there that day. So I just I
Speaker 9: don't see how they would think that they could get
Speaker 9: away with that kind of a thing, a live switch,
Speaker 9: when they wouldn't have to, because there's lots of theories that,
Speaker 9: you know, just the switch could have happened at you know,
Speaker 9: the airport, and there was a time where there was
Speaker 9: only like nobody saw what happens. There could have been
Speaker 9: a switch then. I do remember also lots of people
Speaker 9: saying that Jackie famously made the comment that that's not
Speaker 9: jack when she saw the body. So even she said
Speaker 9: that's not him, you know what I mean, right, I
Speaker 9: don't I'm not sure I'm one hundred percent on board
Speaker 9: the fact that they did the switch inside the car
Speaker 9: that's very strange. And I don't know what to make
Speaker 9: of all these fuzzy pictures with the foot hanging out.
Speaker 9: I mean when when when when the ship hits the fan,
Speaker 9: we all act and do and look weird. I mean,
Speaker 9: you catch all these photos of people like they got
Speaker 9: the weird looks on there, the things like that happen,
Speaker 9: and these are really old photographs. So I just I'm
Speaker 9: very curious. I mean, you're suggesting that you and or
Speaker 9: this gentleman came up with this theory Jason, just by
Speaker 9: looking at the evidence and you said, oh, you know what,
Speaker 9: that looks like they're switching a body in the trunk
Speaker 9: or did he have some reason to go there?
Speaker 5: He he had met Linda, a lady named Linda Goodman,
Speaker 5: who had told him, uh, you know, to look at
Speaker 5: it in kind of in the way that he did.
Speaker 5: And if you watch the documentary, it kind of gives
Speaker 5: you a better idea from whence this came and and
Speaker 5: and substantiates and and explains things a little more completely.
Speaker 5: Whenever you explain it verbally off the cuff, it gets
Speaker 5: a little fragmented. It uh. And and I'm familiar with
Speaker 5: what you're talking about. There are these other scenarios where
Speaker 5: other switches or a switch could have taken place at
Speaker 5: other points in time, and I've never totally discounted those.
Speaker 5: There's there's even been one theory that I heard that
Speaker 5: knowing that most presidents have a look alike on purpose,
Speaker 5: uh to use as a decoy in certain situations that
Speaker 5: might require that they say.
Speaker 9: Ever talked about that, I believe in this context.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they say that, going back to at least Ulysses S. Grant,
Speaker 5: most presidents have had ringers intentionally made, you might say,
Speaker 5: if that's the right word, in case they ever needed
Speaker 5: to do some sort of diversion. And one of the
Speaker 5: theories I heard was that the JFK ringer was the
Speaker 5: guy in the motorcade, that that wasn't the real JFK
Speaker 5: throughout the entire motorcade. There's problems with that one too.
Speaker 5: I'm just simply saying that's another view that I've heard,
Speaker 5: but it's a bit of a leap of logic, there's
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. And I said some of the
Speaker 5: same things to Brian. You know that you're getting a
Speaker 5: little imaginative here, You're getting a little loose here, a
Speaker 5: little loose there. But he had a passion for this thing,
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to be a censor. I didn't
Speaker 5: want to be someone that would frustrate his message from
Speaker 5: getting out or prevent it from getting out. So I
Speaker 5: tried to keep him honest and just let the story
Speaker 5: be told in the interest of free speech basically, And
Speaker 5: so that that's where I came down on it, is
Speaker 5: that he's the researcher. I'm the reporter, but as a reporter,
Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily both feed on this thing. But again,
Speaker 5: it does open up a perspective that's been denied to
Speaker 5: us that at least, if it's not the answer, it
Speaker 5: could at least lead us to the answer, you know.
Speaker 9: An And to be fair, considering the time period, this
Speaker 9: was in the sixties, late sixties, actually people were the CIA.
Speaker 9: They were obsessed with gadgets. So I would I guess
Speaker 9: I wouldn't put it past the CIA to try something
Speaker 9: like this, thinking that, oh, yeah, this is a this
Speaker 9: is a fail proof system, like because they're in this
Speaker 9: all sorts of weird stuff like heart attack, guns and gims,
Speaker 9: weird weird shit back then, like all of the inspiration
Speaker 9: for the spot look at James Bond novels and the
Speaker 9: Spy Tech And who is the guy that I almost
Speaker 9: said Q? Was a Q?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 9: Or yeah? It was cute right that made the thank you.
Speaker 9: I can't believe I just said Q on air.
Speaker 3: Think of the other Q.
Speaker 9: But yeah, so, I guess I wouldn't put it past
Speaker 9: the CIA to use some sort of gadgetry. In fact,
Speaker 9: I know a person in real life who swears up
Speaker 9: and down he had seen the actual vehicle and that
Speaker 9: he was shown that there was a secret dashboard gun,
Speaker 9: that there was some sort of device in the in
Speaker 9: the front seat dashboard area. And maybe maybe that's true,
Speaker 9: Maybe that's involved with Maybe maybe what they use wasn't
Speaker 9: necessarily a squid. If they shot the dude in the
Speaker 9: head with a paintball or something crazy, you know, who
Speaker 9: the hell knows what they did. So I'm not discounting
Speaker 9: the theory at all. I'm just I that's pretty brazen
Speaker 9: to do it right there in front of everybody in public,
Speaker 9: knowing that something could go wrong, is all I'm suggesting
Speaker 9: it is.
Speaker 5: The One thing I'll say about the cameras is that
Speaker 5: there may have been a number of camund but it's
Speaker 5: not like now, there's no way they could do it
Speaker 5: now because of this. Yeah, so relative, it was relatively
Speaker 5: comparatively primitive.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 5: Cameras were not always real high resolution. The cheap ones
Speaker 5: you know instematics, all these different things were not very
Speaker 5: good for you know, fast moving objects or whatnot. You'd
Speaker 5: have to spend a lot of money to have something
Speaker 5: that could really catch something like that. The Bell and
Speaker 5: Howe camera used for the Z film had its limitations.
Speaker 5: And I think the biggest thing is Dino BRUGIONI talking
Speaker 5: to Doug Horn about the film modification in the lab.
Speaker 5: That's what I have focused on a lot over the years.
Speaker 5: And I met Doug Horn in twenty fourteen. I talked
Speaker 5: to him at length, and he doesn't know anything about
Speaker 5: what Brian and I worked on, and that was in
Speaker 5: I didn't want to think I was trying to, you know,
Speaker 5: use him as some sort of way to prove what
Speaker 5: I'm doing. That wouldn't be fair to him. But nevertheless,
Speaker 5: what he did research does happen to explain a lot
Speaker 5: of things that helped support what Brian did that I
Speaker 5: helped Brian with. You wouldn't doctor the film that way
Speaker 5: to that extent. In that manner unless you were doing
Speaker 5: something pretty dramatic. You were pulling off a pretty big deception.
Speaker 5: And yeah, you're right though it's brazen. It's absolutely balls
Speaker 5: to the wall if this is what they really did.
Speaker 5: But I wouldn't put it past them. You know, Ian Fleming,
Speaker 5: who wrote to James Bond novels was m I five
Speaker 5: or six, I believe, And you know they say that
Speaker 5: a lot of that came out of reality, although there's
Speaker 5: obviously some poetic license. But you know, the the quality
Speaker 5: of a mask that they can put on a person.
Speaker 5: You know, they could put a mask on me and
Speaker 5: I would look just like Brian or just like.
Speaker 3: You or Joe Biden.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm also curious has anyone making made the effort
Speaker 9: in this line of thinking to say, examine the evidence
Speaker 9: of the car itself by like, okay, this is this
Speaker 9: your model car.
Speaker 3: It reupholstered it and put it back into the driver pool.
Speaker 3: If I recall quickly.
Speaker 9: Okay, but I mean, but like, looking at the video
Speaker 9: that we do have, you would be able to tell
Speaker 9: some smart engineer should be able to tell, Okay, that
Speaker 9: car looks like it's it's a little too low to
Speaker 9: the ground to be having only the four or the
Speaker 9: five people that were in the car. Maybe there's a
Speaker 9: case to be made. Oh, this looks like there's two
Speaker 9: extra people in this car somewhere because it's the weight.
Speaker 9: So you know what I mean, there might be some
Speaker 9: scientific way to pursue that, you know, line of thinking.
Speaker 3: I think you've convinced Ruckus Mark he's he's already investigating here,
Speaker 3: so we may have a car.
Speaker 5: Well, it's not my it's not my intent to convince
Speaker 5: some much as to inform and let people make up
Speaker 5: their own minds. It's a tough thing. It's so brazen
Speaker 5: that again you wonder why they would try something so complicated.
Speaker 5: But then again, you know, to try and get inside
Speaker 5: the mind of a super spy agency, you know, we
Speaker 5: we mere mortals quote unquote, would have a tough time
Speaker 5: doing that. It it's hard to imagine that kind of thinking,
Speaker 5: that kind of mindset, but I think it does exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you have endless money and really smart people.
Speaker 3: Awake Jake in our Boiler Room discord Chat says this
Speaker 3: was also the era of magicians and magic tricks, where
Speaker 3: it was legendary. I could see with some sleight of
Speaker 3: hand with some trap doors in a trunk.
Speaker 6: So well, don't forget the Zambruder film itself, you know,
Speaker 6: was People now tend to think that like this happened
Speaker 6: live on television, but it didn't. The Zapruder film wasn't
Speaker 6: shown publicly until nineteen seventy five by Heraldo and that
Speaker 6: the dude from Saturday Night Live of all places, on
Speaker 6: Good Night America, So it took a long time for
Speaker 6: people to even know about the film. And the film
Speaker 6: itself has always been kind of sketchy to me because it's,
Speaker 6: like you said, it looks this one guy's filming the thing,
Speaker 6: the guy with the random black umbrella, the guy, the
Speaker 6: badge guy. There's a whole bunch of things around the
Speaker 6: thing that are definitely totally weird. But it's also important,
Speaker 6: like with the context that all the assassinations that took
Speaker 6: place afterwards and the ones right before it, like the
Speaker 6: premiere of South Vietnam, the DM guy right he had
Speaker 6: just been assassinated, Kennedy had just found out about that
Speaker 6: the Vietnam War was like on the Precipice. The thing
Speaker 6: went into full effect right afterwards with LBJ and then
Speaker 6: de gall the attempted assassination of degall the multiple things
Speaker 6: on Castro again, that was Gottlieb. He was the Q
Speaker 6: character who came up with all this stuff LAMMBA, RFK, MLK.
Speaker 6: Malcolm acts like the series of all of these destabilizing things.
Speaker 6: One more thing, speaking of MLK, there's a weird thing
Speaker 6: in the in the document I came across about James
Speaker 6: Earl Ray, who I've always assumed, I guess I thought
Speaker 6: the take on him, that's sort of you know, the
Speaker 6: media take on him was that he was a lone nut,
Speaker 6: you know, dumb ass, redneck guy who hated MLK and
Speaker 6: took a shot at him, and that's it. That's the
Speaker 6: end of the story. That's the kind of the way
Speaker 6: that they sort of portray it. But there are all
Speaker 6: these cables about, you know, James Earl Ray was his
Speaker 6: military experience. Here's what he was doing on this date.
Speaker 6: He was in Brussels right beforehand. He's caught in Portugal
Speaker 6: immediately after the assassination.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know he was. He
Speaker 1: was caught in.
Speaker 6: Lisbon after the assassination of MLK. So there's not only
Speaker 6: the lone nut, you know, BS with Oswald, but there's
Speaker 6: there other people tied in with this thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. I mean, I think I know how
Speaker 3: to make this come full circle and we'll get there.
Speaker 3: But I think one of the most important takeaways, regardless
Speaker 3: of what you think of the concepts presented here tonight,
Speaker 3: and I do recommend you watch the film. It's a
Speaker 3: bit of an older film now, but it's up there
Speaker 3: on IMDb. We'll put a link to it on tonight's
Speaker 3: show page. But you know, for me, the biggest part
Speaker 3: of the takeaway is something wasn't right and the US
Speaker 3: government and its Intel services were keenly involved in it.
Speaker 3: Whatever this was, we'll just call it an assassination. Stick
Speaker 3: with the main narrative. This was used to show you, basically,
Speaker 3: in effect, what we were going to get for every
Speaker 3: narrative moving forward. These tactics were used over and over
Speaker 3: and over again. They're still being used on us right now.
Speaker 3: And the only reason we're having this conversation is because
Speaker 3: the government, the Intel agencies in particular, which seemed to
Speaker 3: be in charge of most of the media, at least
Speaker 3: the narratives out there, they have no problem lying to you,
Speaker 3: They have no problem deleting a US president in one way,
Speaker 3: shape or form or another. They have no problem doing
Speaker 3: regime change elsewhere. They have no problem creating culture wars
Speaker 3: here in our own country. They have no problem causing
Speaker 3: huge events and making them so big in the media
Speaker 3: and so emotional in the media that they will get
Speaker 3: your support to wage endless wars and bring those tactics
Speaker 3: home and use them against us. And this is the
Speaker 3: nexus of the conspiracy theorist to see the very cia
Speaker 3: that our government is now saying, yes, you conspiracy theorists
Speaker 3: were right in one way, shape or form, is the
Speaker 3: one that said you can't have these conversations and you
Speaker 3: can't ask these questions. That's the big disclosure here. The
Speaker 3: big disclosure here is all the conspiracy theorists were right
Speaker 3: to be asking questions, and all of the normies and
Speaker 3: the mass media cartel flunkys and dick Weeds that tried
Speaker 3: to deperson everybody that asked the question. We're doing the
Speaker 3: work of evil. We're doing the work of being against
Speaker 3: the truth. They don't want the American people or the
Speaker 3: people of the planet Earth to know their actual history.
Speaker 3: And you know, in these days it was a lot
Speaker 3: easier to pull that off, look, how long we've been
Speaker 3: talking about this, The fact that we're having this conversation tonight,
Speaker 3: the fact that Brian, David Anderson and Mark Anderson did
Speaker 3: this work really says a lot about where we're at
Speaker 3: as it pertains to conspiracy theories. And nowadays, my goodness,
Speaker 3: it's been said many times, We've been saying it for years.
Speaker 3: If you're a conspiracy theorist or someone calls you that,
Speaker 3: it probably just means you're well researched enough to be
Speaker 3: asking questions. And many of these questions are very much begged.
Speaker 3: And these intel agencies will slow drip this information into
Speaker 3: the public. They'll drip wrong information, right information, misleading information
Speaker 3: all at once. They'll drip entire theories. They will put
Speaker 3: people into the conversation to misdirect, to gatekeep, they will
Speaker 3: disrupt people that they think will whistle low if they
Speaker 3: know too much. And all of that is apparent in
Speaker 3: this document release. And on top of that, our intel
Speaker 3: agency here in particular OSS, then CIA, they work internationally,
Speaker 3: They work internationally with I five, I six, MOSAD, probably
Speaker 3: even KGB, you know it. KGB. We got examples of
Speaker 3: that agents, double agents, splinter cells, Manchurian candidates, mind control,
Speaker 3: MK ultra, all these things are fucking real, all right.
Speaker 3: And if you've ever called someone a conspiracy theorist, if
Speaker 3: they said, hey, did you ever think about if maybe
Speaker 3: Charlie Manson was involved with any sort of MK ultra stuff,
Speaker 3: and you say, right right, look, there you go. There's
Speaker 3: a new series, a new documentary on Netflix based on
Speaker 3: this book right here. We've talked about it many times
Speaker 3: on this show. It's called Chaos. If you're just out
Speaker 3: there listening, recommend you and watch the movie, but most
Speaker 3: importantly read it. But you know, the whole that's where
Speaker 3: this whole thing comes full circle. It's like we are
Speaker 3: sitting here going we are at the bottom of the
Speaker 3: rabbit hole when we're talking about trapdoors and all that.
Speaker 3: And that's why I love Mark Anderson and you know,
Speaker 3: rest in peace, Brian David Anderson. Also, you know, I
Speaker 3: think it's fantastic work. And you know, obviously there's some
Speaker 3: you know, holes to be filled, like any other JFK
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory or any other conspiracy theory that where the
Speaker 3: original narrative comes out of the Central Intelligence Agency. We
Speaker 3: should not be doing this in twenty twenty five. We
Speaker 3: should not have a society where a cabal of psychos
Speaker 3: is creating narratives for us and changing the actual history
Speaker 3: and sending us, you know, sending us home with the
Speaker 3: bill and the inability, the disability to function in normal
Speaker 3: society if we ask questions about these things. That's my
Speaker 3: big takeaway from this document dump.
Speaker 7: So I have a question, Sorry for me, I'm still
Speaker 7: why would he buy into leaving all this and accept exile?
Speaker 4: Was he compromised? You think?
Speaker 7: Did he have something on him and they give him
Speaker 7: ultimatum giving all what we heard about, maybe some of
Speaker 7: his affairs or other things like.
Speaker 4: Why would he accept this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brian addresses that somewhat. If you watch the documentary,
Speaker 5: it gets into that rather considerably. One of the things
Speaker 5: was that JFK apparently had kind of a paradigm shift
Speaker 5: in his whole attitude and he was starting to be
Speaker 5: more authoritative. He had Executive Order one one zero to
Speaker 5: apparently change to US Treasury notes and start phasing out
Speaker 5: FED or reserve notes. Some people have disputed the significance
Speaker 5: of that, others think it's very significant. So there was
Speaker 5: one idea that he was intent on in a way
Speaker 5: ending the FED, or at least weakening the FED. Michael
Speaker 5: Collins Piper, who worked for American pre Press, where I
Speaker 5: worked for a number of years, he wrote Final Judgment.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are familiar with that book, and
Speaker 5: JFK apparently was reluctant to allow Israel to become a
Speaker 5: nuclear armed state and was mitigating against that. Ben Gurion
Speaker 5: was the Prime Minister of the younger state of Israel
Speaker 5: at that time, so JFK may have stood in the
Speaker 5: way of the israelis become a nuclear becoming a nuclear power.
Speaker 5: And there are a number of other things where Kennedy
Speaker 5: was thought to be running contrary to the powers that be.
Speaker 5: As time went by, he became more and more bold,
Speaker 5: challenging the deep state that we call it now, and
Speaker 5: there were other intrigues that Again i'd encourage you to
Speaker 5: watch the documentary. But while we're talking about it, I
Speaker 5: want to mention that the documentary was shown at a
Speaker 5: festival of some sort. I don't remember the name of it,
Speaker 5: but it did win an award, believe it or not,
Speaker 5: not a very high profile major award, but it won
Speaker 5: an award, interestingly enough, But there's one part of it
Speaker 5: that Brian put in an updated version that I wanted
Speaker 5: him to edit out, and he never got around to
Speaker 5: editing it out. Where there's a claim that the one
Speaker 5: hundred x Limo that's been rebuilt that's at the Henry
Speaker 5: Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan to this day, that that
Speaker 5: vehicle is shorter than the one that rolled through the
Speaker 5: streets of Dallas. That turned out to be false, but
Speaker 5: it's still in the documentary. And when I asked Brian
Speaker 5: to get that edited out of there. It never happened
Speaker 5: before he had his heart attack a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: He was a bit older than me, and so that
Speaker 5: mistake is still in there. I want to make that
Speaker 5: totally clear. But you mentioned Brian something about going things
Speaker 5: being put on the bottom of the ocean. This is confirmed.
Speaker 5: The expensive Elgin casket that the body was put into
Speaker 5: to leave Parkland to go on the airplane that ended
Speaker 5: up being shot full of holes and is laying in
Speaker 5: a Navy naval graveyard where they put spent materials, old
Speaker 5: munitions parts in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean lies
Speaker 5: that casket.
Speaker 3: How about that, I was just you know, shooting from
Speaker 3: the hip or with that one Mark Wow. You know
Speaker 3: funny how that works out sometimes.
Speaker 5: Well, what the reason I think is because and this
Speaker 5: is I'm surmising a little, is because Aubrey Reich, who
Speaker 5: was a This is another element of this. I don't
Speaker 5: know if I'll get into it because it's in the documentary,
Speaker 5: but Aubury Reich was a very competent ambulance driver. And
Speaker 5: one of the things that was true in the Oliver
Speaker 5: Stone film was that in the beginning, a guy had
Speaker 5: a what looked like an epileptic fit in the Daley
Speaker 5: Plaza area and he was taken to a hospital. Well,
Speaker 5: this that that actually happened, and interestingly enough, it drew
Speaker 5: Aubrey Reich, who later became a local police officer. But
Speaker 5: in those days he was a young, very competent army
Speaker 5: or ambulance driver, and the real epileptic fit took him
Speaker 5: out of Daley Plaza right at the right time, and
Speaker 5: he ended up at Parkland Hospital, having taken that apparent
Speaker 5: epileptic there. And he told me the same story that
Speaker 5: he put in a book. I believe that the so
Speaker 5: called epileptic victim was put into a waiting bay and
Speaker 5: Aubrey went he went to one of those cigarette machines,
Speaker 5: he got a cigarette, he probably stepped outside, and then
Speaker 5: the guy that had the epileptic fit, as Aubrey himself
Speaker 5: told me, at a restaurant in Plano, Texas, in two
Speaker 5: thy ten I believe it was. It was either nine
Speaker 5: or twenty ten, the guy disappeared.
Speaker 3: Disappeared, huh, Yeah.
Speaker 5: He was nowhere to be found. He slipped out of
Speaker 5: his waiting bay, and as I understood that, the staff
Speaker 5: even wondered where he went. So even mister Reich thought
Speaker 5: in the back of his mind, he entertained the eye
Speaker 5: idea that maybe that whole thing was a diversion to
Speaker 5: get that ambulance unit out of Dealey Plaza at the
Speaker 5: right time. And that's depicted. The epileptic fit is depicted,
Speaker 5: I believe, near the beginning of the Oliver Stone film JFK.
Speaker 5: So that's another interesting element of it. But Aubrey Wright
Speaker 5: testified and wrote a book Through the Door of Memory.
Speaker 5: I believe the books called that he actually put the
Speaker 5: body in trauma Room one, into the expensive Elgin casket,
Speaker 5: the most expensive casket you could get at that time,
Speaker 5: and the blood was coming out the back of the
Speaker 5: head and he had to wrap the body, but some
Speaker 5: of the blood evidently got on the inside lining of
Speaker 5: that expensive casket. So I've always kind of presumed that
Speaker 5: the reason they threw that casket away was to make
Speaker 5: sure nobody got a chance to look at that blood
Speaker 5: in there, to sample it, or to do any kind
Speaker 5: of experiments. I don't know why you would put put
Speaker 5: that casket there and and and put holes in it
Speaker 5: to make sure it would sink and wouldn't float to
Speaker 5: the top. But there's there's ample documentation that that's what
Speaker 5: happened to that casket. That's another thread in the tapestry.
Speaker 9: And I guess all traditional Catholic burial.
Speaker 3: Just like Laden right, I mean, didn't they do that
Speaker 3: with bin Laden.
Speaker 5: Right, because that's that's traditional Muslim burial, right. You bury
Speaker 5: him at seat, not.
Speaker 4: So some mark like what you told me.
Speaker 7: That is more, these were reasons for them to get
Speaker 7: rid of him, but were not necessarily reasons for him
Speaker 7: to accept being swapped. I'm still like, what will actually
Speaker 7: get him to accept that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Uh, I think one of the things Brian said was,
Speaker 5: you know, we can we can do away with you
Speaker 5: the hard way, you know, as in death, or we
Speaker 5: can arrange a exile and you'll live out your normal
Speaker 5: life and you know, you'll have all the luxuries you want,
Speaker 5: and you'll be the martyr, the hero. And there were
Speaker 5: and admittedly they were, you know, enquirer and tabloid sensational stories.
Speaker 5: Kennedy was spotted on a yacht in the Greek Isles
Speaker 5: or whatever in the Mediterranean. These came out over the years,
Speaker 5: and a lot of people made fun of the tabloids,
Speaker 5: and rightly so. But the one thing about the tabloids,
Speaker 5: for all their faults, and there were many, was that
Speaker 5: they were ballsier. You know, they were more no holds barred,
Speaker 5: and you know, a broken clock is right twice a day,
Speaker 5: and you never know. They might have hit on something there.
Speaker 5: Aristotle on Nassas owned an entire island called Scorpius.
Speaker 1: Right later husband of Jackie.
Speaker 5: Yeah uh, and the she may have had an affair
Speaker 5: with him even prior to Jack's death, It's possible, but
Speaker 5: he owned an entire island. Brian thought that JFK was
Speaker 5: exiled somewhere else. And then Mary Pinchow figures into some
Speaker 5: of this and I have to I have to turn
Speaker 5: in because I got to do UK column early in
Speaker 5: the morning, but Mary Pinchow figures into it and we'll
Speaker 5: make sure Brian gets the right link to show the video.
Speaker 5: It's a different kind of documentary. It's not your conventional
Speaker 5: it's a little bit lower budget, but it's well narrated
Speaker 5: and it's pretty well reasoned out. You know, people can
Speaker 5: make of it, make of it what they will, but
Speaker 5: at least it opens some new doors. It encourages new
Speaker 5: kinds of thinking, because the thinking we've been given is
Speaker 5: the establishment thinking. It's either door number one or door
Speaker 5: number two. Don't talk about anything else. It was either
Speaker 5: the mob or whatever. But it was an assassination. Whoever
Speaker 5: may have shot him, just believe it was an assassination.
Speaker 5: And then that's all you need to know. And so
Speaker 5: this is how you break through the lies. You have
Speaker 5: to come up with an angle, a aperture, a portal
Speaker 5: through which to see things in a new light. And
Speaker 5: then others might build on what I'm talking about, or
Speaker 5: they might find a slightly divergent path that will lead
Speaker 5: to even brighter insights. So hopefully at least it will
Speaker 5: be a catalyst to further insights. Whether it's the final
Speaker 5: word or not is a very difficult thing.
Speaker 3: To say, Well, Mark, the good thing here is that
Speaker 3: the onus is now on the government to prove to
Speaker 3: us anything and everything. Right, it's on them now. They
Speaker 3: can no longer say, oh, you're a nasty conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3: Are you hutting me? Government and mainstream media? Did you
Speaker 3: see all these recent drops? And you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people that have similar theories about Epstein, you know,
Speaker 3: and his whole thing, you know, suicide.
Speaker 7: Well, there were images appear. I don't know how true
Speaker 7: are they, Like those images of him from a drone?
Speaker 9: Just chilling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen those too, Man, those rumors shall persist. Mark,
Speaker 3: Before you go, I have to recommend the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have to recommend a movie to you. Mark. It's
Speaker 3: called Bubba Hotep. Have you ever seen this? Uh no,
Speaker 3: all right, I'll tell you this. It's dark. It's very dark,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, I think you'll find it
Speaker 3: interesting because the plot line is that the two main
Speaker 3: characters are Elvis and JFK. And there's a and it
Speaker 3: takes place in a rest home. All right. So one
Speaker 3: of the main characters is this black dude and he's
Speaker 3: stuck in this rest home and he tries he's trying
Speaker 3: to tell everyone that he's JFK and that they didn't
Speaker 3: assassinate him, but they turned him black, so no one
Speaker 3: believes that he's JFK. And the other guy there is Elvis,
Speaker 3: but nobody really believes him that he's Elvis either. And
Speaker 3: they're basically have to fight a sort of gypsy demon
Speaker 3: sort of entity thing in the rest home that's trying
Speaker 3: to suck the souls out of the soon to be deceased.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's got a lot of comedy
Speaker 3: in it, and it's also it's a it's a little
Speaker 3: bit of both man.
Speaker 1: Bruce Campbell, Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a good movie.
Speaker 5: I'll mention in a in a departing comment that although
Speaker 5: this isn't really part of mine and Brian's work much,
Speaker 5: if at all, I've always thought that the Oswald thing
Speaker 5: and the documentation is showing this, that that that whole
Speaker 5: trail was created so they could have their Patsy. In
Speaker 5: other words, let's talk about a guy that goes to
Speaker 5: Russia and defects, comes back to America. Let's give him
Speaker 5: a name, Lee Harvey Oswald. That human being they called
Speaker 5: Lee Harvey Oswald, is that really who that is? Right,
Speaker 5: just ask the natural questions. That's the name they gave
Speaker 5: to this persona and they said, here's his brother Robert,
Speaker 5: here's his mom Marguerite. Are these really a family, right?
Speaker 5: Or is this a family kind of created out of
Speaker 5: thin air? I'm just asking open ended questions. But one
Speaker 5: thing seems clear that they were monitoring Oswald years before
Speaker 5: November twenty second and sixty three. And would that not
Speaker 5: be for the very purpose of creating the perfect patsy
Speaker 5: and creating the kind of paper trail and set of circumstances.
Speaker 5: Then once the shooting takes place, then they could say, ah,
Speaker 5: here's our Warren Commission. Never mind, Allen Dulles, never mind McCloy,
Speaker 5: what are they doing there? Well, never mind, here's here's
Speaker 5: our guy. He's prefab he's he's already designed to be
Speaker 5: to me, to be nailed as the Patsy. And did
Speaker 5: they not create this whole mystique and the Oswald family
Speaker 5: maybe even but at least Oswald himself, if that was
Speaker 5: his real name. Did they not just create that whole
Speaker 5: scenario for this purpose?
Speaker 10: So then when the CIA says, well, people go, well,
Speaker 10: was the CIA involved and obviously they were involved to
Speaker 10: some extent, as the document show, but you can almost
Speaker 10: say with total certainty that today, right now, the CIA
Speaker 10: knows exactly.
Speaker 5: What happened on that day and they're just never going
Speaker 5: to tell you because the deep State will never indict
Speaker 5: or out itself.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: So whether they were intimately involved the whole thing, they
Speaker 5: were involved with the early machinations developing Oswald, and then
Speaker 5: you have to believe really that they know now today
Speaker 5: exactly what happened, and they've known a long time. But
Speaker 5: a spy agency simply cannot out itself by its very nature,
Speaker 5: So I believe I believe those are truisms at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I noticed from what I looked at that,
Speaker 3: and it kind of drives with what you said too,
Speaker 3: based the major like smattering as you go through it
Speaker 3: is a lot of exactly that, a lot of like
Speaker 3: KGB the narrative slash, the narrative for the motive for
Speaker 3: Oswald is basically one of retribution for the Bay of
Speaker 3: Pigs incident and sort of like a communist know versus
Speaker 3: America sort of ideology thing. Yeah, which which you know,
Speaker 3: and why would they do that? Well, easy, because they
Speaker 3: had a Cold war they were trying to promote. They
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that they could push that Cold
Speaker 3: war further, go deeper into the Vietnamese, you know, the
Speaker 3: conflict in Vietnam. So so to me, like, I'm glad
Speaker 3: this is a giant dump. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: they're dumping all the original narrative propaganda in there. It's
Speaker 3: full of the Warrant Commission, it's full of you know,
Speaker 3: all this like you know, cold war propaganda. And then
Speaker 3: you know, you got to really search for those like
Speaker 3: twelve mentions of Israel and Masad and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: you know. And while I'm on that, I'll add to
Speaker 3: that list that Mark was sitting there. JFK was also
Speaker 3: opposed to the American Zionist Council. That's what APAK was
Speaker 3: called before it was APAK was the American Zionist Council.
Speaker 3: His Department of Justice told them that they had to
Speaker 3: be a foreign agent registered under the Foreign Agent's Registration
Speaker 3: Actor FAR Act. And you could see why that might
Speaker 3: not be liked.
Speaker 6: Remember his other famous statement, his other famous speech where
Speaker 6: he said that the idea of secrecy is anathema to America.
Speaker 6: He wanted to bring everything to light. And just with Oswald,
Speaker 6: I mean a US marine who defects to the Soviet
Speaker 6: Union and then defects back into the United States and
Speaker 6: then is is a pro Castro guy, but then is
Speaker 6: in New Orleans and is in the same buildings as
Speaker 6: the Mob.
Speaker 1: Is very is very weird.
Speaker 6: And how it ties in with the Mob and Santa
Speaker 6: Traffic Conte and all of his activities.
Speaker 1: Remember that Oswald.
Speaker 6: The entire thing was supposed to take place a week
Speaker 6: before that in Chicago, just like in the movie The
Speaker 6: Package with Gene Hackman. It's like a replay of the
Speaker 6: exact thing that was gonna happen, and that Oswald. And
Speaker 6: remember David Ferry, remember that guy in the Oliverstone jfkme here,
Speaker 6: But you've got the Tommy Lee Jones character of Clay
Speaker 6: Clay Birch and Clay Shaw, and then Joe Paschi's David
Speaker 6: Ferry character.
Speaker 3: Hey Base, sorry to interrupt men. Hold that thought. Mark,
Speaker 3: if you want to say anything before you got to go,
Speaker 3: you can. Otherwise I'll just say thank you Mark Anderson
Speaker 3: for being here. There he is and people can find
Speaker 3: you on UK column on Friday's Friday Morning Catch Mark
Speaker 3: Anderson on UK column. Go to ukcolum dot org for
Speaker 3: the calendar, schedule, archives and all that. Mark, it's been
Speaker 3: a pleasure tonight. Thank you. You're muted there.
Speaker 5: Man always always kind of a feeling of trepidation when
Speaker 5: I get into this subject. It's a difficult thing to describe,
Speaker 5: but I think we all need I think we're at
Speaker 5: a point in time where we need to open some
Speaker 5: new doors. I think we've all had enough of the
Speaker 5: stonewalling and the lies and all the deception and misdirection.
Speaker 5: We've got to the point where it's going to ruin
Speaker 5: our country unless we get bold and step forward bravely.
Speaker 5: And that's what we're gonna have to do. Otherwise the
Speaker 5: lies that this country is inundated with will be will
Speaker 5: be its demise, and we can't let that happen. And
Speaker 5: so maybe if JFK couldn't scatter the CIA to the win,
Speaker 5: maybe we'll be the beginning of that in our own
Speaker 5: humble way. So there you go.
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Mark, Thanks so much, appreciate your bravery
Speaker 3: tonight sharing this story with us. I'm sure the comments
Speaker 3: section will be lit and that's up to you. You
Speaker 3: out there, get in there in comment like subscribe all
Speaker 3: that stuff. Mark, We'll see you next time, thanks buddy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, be well, guys.
Speaker 3: All right, that's the Truthhound right there, the Truthhound dot
Speaker 3: com Ukcolum dot org and somewhere else I'm forgetting right now.
Speaker 3: Why am I blanking on that? Anyways? You know where
Speaker 3: to find.
Speaker 9: Mark Broadcasting Network, Thank.
Speaker 3: You, Rockies. Republic Broadcasting Network off the presses with Mark
Speaker 3: Anderson on Wednesdays. There that was all I needed.
Speaker 4: M Yeah, what are we gonna do? Icebreaker?
Speaker 3: I don't have one in mind? Do you have one
Speaker 3: in mine?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: It was just one that.
Speaker 3: We're so deep in it. Actually, let me share this
Speaker 3: screen over here. Yeah, we're not gonna do icebreakers. They're
Speaker 3: all they're all like culture war stuff. Right now, we're
Speaker 3: driving a hard time finding some that they are not
Speaker 3: like rehashes at this point. This book right here was
Speaker 3: recommended by Fleety in the discord. Thank you, Fleety.
Speaker 1: John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy and the Politics of Arms Sales to Israel by
Speaker 3: Abraham ben Zivy ben Zev I don't know.
Speaker 9: I didn't. I didn't have the heart to ask Mark,
Speaker 9: but I'll ask you guys, And I'm curious what Bays
Speaker 9: thinks because there is still the elephant in the room
Speaker 9: involving the jfk assassination, and that is the Secret Society's
Speaker 9: the Sacrificed King, the third Parallel, all all the esoteric
Speaker 9: things that like Bill Cooper used to talk about, Are
Speaker 9: we to just give up on all of that? There's
Speaker 9: no there there. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that everything it's like with looking
Speaker 6: at the Big nine event. You know, no matter what,
Speaker 6: you've got two towers, and the number eleven is Jamie
Speaker 6: always talks about the most occult number. I think that, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's obviously seems to be built into it, if not
Speaker 6: simply for like a I don't know what else to
Speaker 6: call it. It's like, uh, mass mass terror, destabilization, reag aside,
Speaker 6: it seems to be no accident, like the whole camelot
Speaker 6: aspect of the thing. But again it's like people forget
Speaker 6: that at the time. I think that the consensus is that,
Speaker 6: like at the time, the majority of Americans were not
Speaker 6: pro Kennedy in many ways. He was the first Catholic president.
Speaker 6: He was like he won because of the mob, and
Speaker 6: now they got him, you know, pushed through in Chicago
Speaker 6: that seems to have been one of the things that
Speaker 6: they were pissed about, because then they raided They raided
Speaker 6: him and declared war on the war on the mob,
Speaker 6: the uh, the iasy aspects of it, the the war
Speaker 6: on steel, the the trying to get us out of Vietnam.
Speaker 6: There's so many things involved with it. And I think
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I mean, I still
Speaker 6: believe after looking through the documents that like, there's nothing
Speaker 6: to say that it wasn't what I've thought it was,
Speaker 6: which was the you know, the intelligence agency sets it up,
Speaker 6: the the mob and the Patsy set up a triangulated
Speaker 6: shot and they get rid of the guy and then
Speaker 6: they go straight into Vietnam and LBJ benefited hugely and
Speaker 6: he had a hit man working for him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. What do you think.
Speaker 9: I dropped to theory in one of the live chats
Speaker 9: while Mark Rostiska, you know, talking, But what if it's
Speaker 9: all of the things. What if JF because he was
Speaker 9: a smart dude and he knew he was pissing off
Speaker 9: a lot of people. What if he had real valuable
Speaker 9: intel that suggested, oh my god, they're gonna fucking kill
Speaker 9: me and this was his only out. Maybe he made
Speaker 9: the decision to fake his own death. And I don't know.
Speaker 9: There's always that theory.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah. I mean we're all speculation is valid
Speaker 3: when it comes to that question, right, like the question,
Speaker 3: uh mystical Pharaoh was asking earlier, like why would he
Speaker 3: agree to this? Just fill in the blanks, you know,
Speaker 3: any speculation you have on that. There are so many differences.
Speaker 9: I know, I know he was blackmailed on Epstein's Island.
Speaker 1: I don't think he faked it.
Speaker 6: But one thing that is kind of left out is
Speaker 6: the fact that he was he was in the constant
Speaker 6: physical pain for ever since his service.
Speaker 1: In the war.
Speaker 6: He broke his back, right, the whole thing was like
Speaker 6: his pt boat was run over by a Japanese or whatever,
Speaker 6: and he saved all his guys and he was a
Speaker 6: hero and all that, but he broke his back doing it.
Speaker 6: And I think he had the Hitler thing going on,
Speaker 6: like he had to take painkillers constantly throughout the day,
Speaker 6: you know, had to take amphetamines to get up. I
Speaker 6: know that this This cruse Chef book mentions that this
Speaker 6: summit where Kennedy and khruse Chef like walked out on
Speaker 6: each other, and they were both like, you know, insanely angry,
Speaker 6: and everybody thought it was going to be nuclear war.
Speaker 6: This book, which is totally mainstream, the most mainstream mainline history,
Speaker 6: says that the real reason for that was because they
Speaker 6: were both clients of that celebrity doctor nick type character,
Speaker 6: Doctor feel Good. But that was a real guy and
Speaker 6: they were both clients of his, and he was like
Speaker 6: out of town at a villa, so they weren't able
Speaker 6: to get their fix, and so they were both erratic
Speaker 6: and angry, and he contributed to them like walking out
Speaker 6: and a near nuclear war, which is wild. But he
Speaker 6: was in pain strikes again, Yeah, in constant physical pain.
Speaker 6: I know that, but he was still you know, he
Speaker 6: was a young dude.
Speaker 3: So and here I thought Doctor feel Good was just
Speaker 3: a cool Motley Cruz song. Dang right, just gets darker
Speaker 3: and darker by the day, doesn't it. Yeah. I want
Speaker 3: to throw one more thing out about this Gary Underhill. Guy.
Speaker 3: Gary Underhill who we mentioned earlier, former World War two
Speaker 3: intelligence officer, and he was involved in CIA special assignments
Speaker 3: and you know, after he left d C, he traveled
Speaker 3: to New Jersey before he died. He talked to some
Speaker 3: friends and what he told them was that he attributed
Speaker 3: attributed the Kennedy murder to a CIA click which was
Speaker 3: carrying on a lucrative racket in gun running, narcotics and
Speaker 3: other contraband and manipulating political intrigue to serve its own ends.
Speaker 3: Kennedy supposedly got when that something was going on and
Speaker 3: was killed before he could blow the whistle on it.
Speaker 3: That is what Gary Underhill said. And you know CIA,
Speaker 3: what they mean when they say CIA special assignments, they're
Speaker 3: talking about people that have a role that does not
Speaker 3: have to go up a normal chain of command. They
Speaker 3: report directly to the director of the CIA. So I
Speaker 3: would wager that those special assignments, folks are worth looking at.
Speaker 3: And he is the works. Yeah, Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff going on there. Just watched Sakario
Speaker 3: last night, actually, which for some reason feels like it
Speaker 3: fits right into this because it kind of gives you a,
Speaker 3: you know a bit of an albeit Hollywood view of
Speaker 3: how Central Intelligence Agency operates when they need to get
Speaker 3: something done that makes some sort of change in our
Speaker 3: country and or another country.
Speaker 9: Speaking of CIA, I still want to know where the hell,
Speaker 9: George Bush was that day.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask we did not talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked it up.
Speaker 6: I searched and to you know, see if he was
Speaker 6: mentioned any of the stuff, because it's claimed that he
Speaker 6: was there on site and that you know, it was
Speaker 6: Operation Zapata and all this stuff. But then, you know,
Speaker 6: I think he sued someone later on before he was president,
Speaker 6: because mainstream outlet had claimed that he had CIA activities
Speaker 6: before he was director and he won, which doesn't.
Speaker 1: Mean anything because it was you know, they were all CIA.
Speaker 6: Outlets anyway, but supposedly he and Nixon and all these
Speaker 6: people were there on site. Howard Hunt, you know, they
Speaker 6: they investigated to see if he was one of the
Speaker 6: shoeless guys. Remember Howard Hunt's son is the one who
Speaker 6: claimed that Howard Hunt later did the deathbed confession. But
Speaker 6: when Hunt was arrested for Watergate, they questioned him about
Speaker 6: the JFK assassination, and his excuses alibi was that I
Speaker 6: was at home with my family in northern Virginia and
Speaker 6: I took them out for a car ride and we
Speaker 6: went to the Chinese grocery store.
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
Speaker 6: And later on his son Howard Hunt the third or
Speaker 6: whatever said first of all, like my dad was never home.
Speaker 6: Second of all, I remember that day because I was
Speaker 6: a teenager and he was not home, and we never
Speaker 6: went out for groceries and definitely.
Speaker 1: Not to some Chinese. What are you talking about? So
Speaker 1: who knows?
Speaker 6: I think Dulles was in Puerto Rico at the time,
Speaker 6: but he that, you know, he could have been running
Speaker 6: the operation from there, if that was the thing. Uh,
Speaker 6: Frank Sturgis was probably was almost certainly there. Uh, Woody
Speaker 6: Harrelson's dad, they claimed that he was there, right the
Speaker 6: Charles Harrison.
Speaker 3: Was one of the one of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah possible.
Speaker 3: And there's a photo or a clip of video right
Speaker 3: that people say, you know, oh, that's George Bush right there, right,
Speaker 3: Like there's actual a piece of evidence to quibble over
Speaker 3: when it comes to George Bush being there.
Speaker 9: If I recall, the photo is pretty convincing.
Speaker 3: I've seen y it's good. It's pretty good, and it
Speaker 3: was pre AI you know, maybe in the early photoshop era,
Speaker 3: but I don't know much about its origin or how
Speaker 3: long it's been in the public purview anywhere.
Speaker 6: That Oswald was working at the book depository, Like you
Speaker 6: got the job for a month ahead of time. Isn't
Speaker 6: that weird in the first place? Also, what is a
Speaker 6: school book depository building a library? They have this gigantic
Speaker 6: eight story building to put school Like that's weird on
Speaker 6: the surface too, And.
Speaker 3: We're storing all the old school books here. We knew
Speaker 3: its story building.
Speaker 9: That's that's the other element. It's like, if you look,
Speaker 9: you follow the Lee Harvey Oswald pattern, You're like, Wow,
Speaker 9: this is planned so far in advance that I mean,
Speaker 9: was he in on it that far that like years before?
Speaker 9: I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Well, David Ferry is a guy who ran the supposed operation.
Speaker 6: He knew David Ferry when when he was a kid.
Speaker 6: Oswald was in his like civil Air Aviation thing, that
Speaker 6: Texas thing, that like paramilitary group, and he signed up
Speaker 6: for that when he was like twelve or something like that.
Speaker 6: That's when he first met David Ferry. And then later
Speaker 6: on he's an adult after all this stuff and he
Speaker 6: finds himself working for the guy.
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, it's that hall of mirrors. See, this
Speaker 3: is this is where we're at. We're at the bottom
Speaker 3: of the Hall of Mirrors. Except today, at the bottom
Speaker 3: of the Hall of Mirrors, we've got eighty thousand new
Speaker 3: pages of crap to sort through. So being at the
Speaker 3: bottom of the rabbit hole Hall of Mirrors, the floor
Speaker 3: just fell out from under us. And now it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: smart people with good databases and web front ends, I
Speaker 3: guess it's your turn to to you know, take over.
Speaker 1: You know this is perfect for AI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, there can be some some great
Speaker 3: f's made there.
Speaker 9: Perhaps, So let's see feed the documents to Groth and
Speaker 9: Chat GPT and ask them who did it, ask.
Speaker 3: Them to make us a new Netflix documentary to tell
Speaker 3: us where the smoking gun is.
Speaker 6: I remember at the end of the Nick Cage movie,
Speaker 6: at the end of the Rock, right when the conclusion
Speaker 6: of the movie is like Sean Connery, who was m
Speaker 6: I six in the movie or he was sas tells
Speaker 6: him some secret and then he's like gets married and
Speaker 6: he goes to some church in like Kansas and he
Speaker 6: runs out and what does he have in his hands?
Speaker 3: The JFK Yeah right right yeah, fleety in the chat
Speaker 3: is keep in mind the route changed to the plaza
Speaker 3: at the last minute. That's right. I mentioned that briefly earlier.
Speaker 3: Why that is significant is because JFK's car rate was
Speaker 3: changed at the last minute by Dallas mayor then Earl Cabell.
Speaker 3: Earl was the brother of Deputy Director of CIA, Charles P. Cabell,
Speaker 3: and Earle had been a CIA asset since nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 3: It's also worth noting that Kennedy dismissed CIA Director Alan
Speaker 3: Dallas in November of sixty one, and that Earl Cabell's
Speaker 3: brother Charles left the CIA at the end of January
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty two after Kennedy forced him to resign,
Speaker 3: and you know, and then both Dallas and Charles Cabell
Speaker 3: were no longer working for the CIA on November twenty second,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three, when Kennedy was killed. Clearly the type
Speaker 3: of people that could have a grudge though, So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's yeah.
Speaker 6: Not to mention, Fletcher Prouty was the guy who said
Speaker 6: that he got the headline that Kennedy had been assassinated
Speaker 6: at his base in New Zealand the twelve hours ahead
Speaker 6: of the assassination. That was Remember that was Fletcher Prowdy,
Speaker 6: right right. The Donald Sutherland character mister ax.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. Another thing I had I talked about
Speaker 3: earlier today is the ICA, the International Cooperation Administration. This
Speaker 3: organization was disbanded after the Bay of Pigs in sixty
Speaker 3: one JFK. Under JFK, of course, the US tried to
Speaker 3: invade Cuba during the Cold War there using a humanitarian
Speaker 3: and foreign aid as a front. Does this sound familiar? So,
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, Kennedy denied air support to that
Speaker 3: kind of doomed the operation. And that's where that rift
Speaker 3: form between Kennedy and the Intel agencies. And that's when
Speaker 3: he talked about scattering the CIA to the wind. But
Speaker 3: five months later, JFK shut down the ICA in an
Speaker 3: attempt to stop unaccountable covert operations. And guess what he did.
Speaker 3: He started a new agency, ostensibly with the intent for
Speaker 3: this agency to be more accountable to the State Department.
Speaker 3: And this agency was named us AI d TTFO. I'm
Speaker 3: not even kidding. So so here we have this situation
Speaker 3: just kind of you can you could ease almost easily
Speaker 3: graft a lot of these vignettes and situations on what
Speaker 3: we're seeing right now. It's amazing you've got competing Intel
Speaker 3: agencies including the CIA's State Department, others, Masade probably even
Speaker 3: all using this ICA as their cover to do spook
Speaker 3: operations to include assassinations, regime change, gun running, drug running,
Speaker 3: working with organized crime, which by the way, makes you
Speaker 3: part of organized crime. We'll put that aside, though, arming
Speaker 3: and fomenting rebel groups. You know, it's like this twisted
Speaker 3: ven diagram of corrupt, violent ideologues, having intel turf wars
Speaker 3: internally and internationally, and USAID was created to to sort
Speaker 3: of be the answer to this, right, That's that's something
Speaker 3: that JFK was trying to do when he created us
Speaker 3: A I D. But that didn't work out very well,
Speaker 3: did it well.
Speaker 6: The entire the entire Cuban operation was against his wishes.
Speaker 6: He expressly said that he didn't want any of it
Speaker 6: to happen. It wasn't just that he pulled the air
Speaker 6: the air support out they went. They did the whole
Speaker 6: thing despite him. So that's why I was pissed. When
Speaker 6: they they asked him for air support, he was like, no,
Speaker 6: I specifically ordered you not to do the thing. That's
Speaker 6: why Dulles was mad, and that's why I ended up
Speaker 6: firing Dulles not to mention that that, Yeah, it's contradictory
Speaker 6: because Kennedy also was the guy who was around when
Speaker 6: they founded the Navy Seals officially and when they was
Speaker 6: it Seer School what's the the uh Special Operations School
Speaker 6: that was that was approved by him, and he founded that.
Speaker 1: But he was against.
Speaker 6: The assassinations in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: Uh. He did not like the thing that happened with
Speaker 1: La Mamba UH.
Speaker 6: And I think I think the point of all that
Speaker 6: is that post World War Two, when we're a stat
Speaker 6: ablishing the global you know it's it's the twin Pillars
Speaker 6: of the global hegemony or whatever, that all of these
Speaker 6: things threatened the stabilization of the system that's been set up,
Speaker 6: and that he did not like the back, you know,
Speaker 6: behind the back of you know, all this secretive ship
Speaker 6: that the CIA and all these people were doing, because
Speaker 6: they would ask him for permission, he would say no,
Speaker 6: and then they would do it anyway, So of course
Speaker 6: he would be pissed. But their thing, like you were
Speaker 6: mentioning earlier, is like that scene in the movie Nixon,
Speaker 6: the Oliverstone movie Nixon, where he does a surprise visit
Speaker 6: to Richard helms At at Langley and Elms in that scene.
Speaker 1: I think this is true.
Speaker 6: Helms like admonished him for not calling ahead, and he
Speaker 6: was like, look, you're the president and you're here for
Speaker 6: you know, four years, but we're we never leave where.
Speaker 1: We're always going to be here.
Speaker 3: And Nixon was like, Crocker, it's a good Nixon, right,
Speaker 3: all right, let's see here. Some comments from the gallery here,
Speaker 3: going back up toward the top here, Jason says, Mark
Speaker 3: is fascinating, great takes. Thank you, thank you. Let's see here.
Speaker 3: Bub Scott says we were talking. Mark was talking references
Speaker 3: Colombo often. He says, I've been screaming that same analogy
Speaker 3: for years. Apparently Colombo series could never work nowadays. Whiskey Tango,
Speaker 3: fox trot, Yeah, exactly. Let's see here. I had a
Speaker 3: couple others. This was really nice of you, bub Scott.
Speaker 3: You guys are clearly on the very short list of
Speaker 3: legit contributors to this effort. It's an absolute tragedy. There
Speaker 3: aren't thousands here on the stream. Yeah, agreed, I mean
Speaker 3: at least of that last part, and thank you for
Speaker 3: the first part. It's nice of you to say, and
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll get there. We should definitely be getting there.
Speaker 3: So if you're watching this, jump in these comments, do
Speaker 3: all the things that video streaming platforms want you to
Speaker 3: do to make sure that we're all getting the eyeballs on.
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Speaker 3: here other side of the mountain. What's up?
Speaker 1: Says?
Speaker 3: What about the audio of Clifton Carter, executive director of
Speaker 3: DNC and close associate of LBJ, admitting the LVJ hired
Speaker 3: Mac Wallace to assassinate JFK. There you go, yep, I
Speaker 3: think we talked about that a little bit. Anything further
Speaker 3: you want to add on that one?
Speaker 6: Based well, I think that one's that one's pretty interesting,
Speaker 6: and uh, it's been out for a while, but not
Speaker 6: many people you know, really still know about that one.
Speaker 6: And also you know the Nicks, and everyone knows the
Speaker 6: Nixon tapes, but people should listen to the LBJ tapes.
Speaker 6: They're very funny, like get get the guardho makes my
Speaker 6: parents up here? You know, they're too tight. But mack
Speaker 6: Wallace is mentioned in the thing and Mac Wallias, Malcolm
Speaker 6: Wallace was apparently, I mean, I guess it's known that
Speaker 6: he was lbj's personal hit man, who was an interesting, interesting,
Speaker 6: shady character, you know, very smart, college class president, war veteran,
Speaker 6: all this stuff, and then one day walked into a
Speaker 6: country club where he found his wife cheating with some
Speaker 6: guy and he just smoked and walked out and got
Speaker 6: away with it and then apparently carried out lbj's dirty deeds.
Speaker 6: And in that tape, you know, it's it states that
Speaker 6: that this was an LBJ. You know that he knew
Speaker 6: about it at the very least. Who knows if it's
Speaker 6: real or not, if it's authentic or what, but it
Speaker 6: wouldn't surprise me to find that mac Wallace was the
Speaker 6: guy on the Grassy Knoll or one of them. And
Speaker 6: then of course he later passed away in a car
Speaker 6: crash in the middle of the day, in the middle
Speaker 6: of nowhere.
Speaker 3: How about that? HAPs how about that? Okay? Yeah, and
Speaker 3: the other side of the mountain, thanks again for that one.
Speaker 3: Other side also says released by Billy soul Estes grandson,
Speaker 3: and there's a YouTube link there, so I'll do my
Speaker 3: best to get that on the show page so folks
Speaker 3: can check that out for themselves. Let's see here. What
Speaker 3: else do we get? You guys got some funny comments.
Speaker 3: I'm digging reading them. Yeah, this one. I saw this
Speaker 3: one come through from from my lean. You would think
Speaker 3: that guy would want the blood tested referring to the
Speaker 3: doctor that had that. Yeah, you gotta wonder why he
Speaker 3: clammed up once that idea was proposed to him. What
Speaker 3: else do we got? Ban Hammer explains why they quickly
Speaker 3: re upholstered the limma and put it back in the
Speaker 3: motorcade pool. Yep, definitely something to think about there. We
Speaker 3: had some fun banter about Donald Trump's ear on the
Speaker 3: side that was pretty good. You should be in our
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Speaker 6: Can I add to the Trump thing that kind of
Speaker 6: contradicts the idea that cell phones everywhere, you know, will
Speaker 6: prevent something like this happening. I mean everyone there had
Speaker 6: a cell phone. There are multiple videos of the thing
Speaker 6: leading up to it with Trump, yet it didn't do anything,
Speaker 6: and the guy was still there and they didn't stop him,
Speaker 6: and you know, whatever happened still happened, and even afterwards,
Speaker 6: it's still the photographs of the supposed on a live shooter.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, but is this even the same guy,
Speaker 6: because you know what about this other guy, the ears
Speaker 6: are different. I mean, there's just no even if people
Speaker 6: are right there and they see it in person. Like
Speaker 6: with the Zappruver film, you know, if you play the
Speaker 6: whole thing from start to finish, it's like three seconds.
Speaker 1: It's so fast. It happens so fast.
Speaker 6: Jackie you know, jumps back the headshot and then they're
Speaker 6: gone and that's it. So you know, I guess this
Speaker 6: sort of plays on that. I don't think we're ever
Speaker 6: gonna know for sure any of you know what happened
Speaker 6: with this stuff. But nevertheless, the document releases I think
Speaker 6: is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: People should dive into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely agreed. Let's see here. Van Hammer says,
Speaker 3: I completely forgot that Bruce Campbell, that Bruce Campbell movie existed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's great, it's a classic. This is a good one
Speaker 3: from Vinyl pilled Wi. Sadly, that's how lots of dumps work,
Speaker 3: no real order, very hard to follow, lots of pages,
Speaker 3: lots of files within files. Yeah, exactly, that's what we
Speaker 3: got this time. But at least we're not super redacted
Speaker 3: like we were with the supposed Epstein files. There and.
Speaker 9: I had heard there were a couple people talking about
Speaker 9: I think Jason Burmas was discussing this that one of
Speaker 9: the things that's been revealed in the documents that used
Speaker 9: to be redacted, or I guess there was another form
Speaker 9: of it. But anyways, some of the information that's come
Speaker 9: out includes the fact that the CIA was covering, trying
Speaker 9: to hide the fact that they were using biological warfare
Speaker 9: tests on somebody somewhere. You know anything about this based.
Speaker 6: I haven't said no, I haven't seen that one yet,
Speaker 6: but I'm sure that's in there because that was that,
Speaker 6: you know, all that stuff precedes immediately the Kennedy thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's the Frank Olsen stuff, the Korean War.
Speaker 6: If anything, it just goes to show you that, like
Speaker 6: why have Manchurian candidate Candy Jones to do stuff when
Speaker 6: I like a guy like Oswald fits the total description
Speaker 6: of the guy like this. He has all the hallmarks
Speaker 6: of the CIA run monarch, you know, assassin god, but
Speaker 6: without like a mind control element to the point where
Speaker 6: he's just like, you know, blank eyed and running around.
Speaker 6: He's like still a real guy, but he's like buying
Speaker 6: into it and it worked. But I haven't seen anything
Speaker 6: with with with the bio weapons in this one.
Speaker 9: Maybe it was something that doctor feel Good prescribed and.
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Speaker 3: done with the post production on this sukka and with that,
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go around the room we've been
Speaker 3: on for a bit here and go around the room.
Speaker 3: Let you guys get back to your lives here, Mystical Pharaoh,
Speaker 3: I'll go to you first.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You know you saved rounds or final thoughts you want
Speaker 3: to throw into this episode of Boiler Room.
Speaker 7: No, I mean I think we we covered pretty much.
Speaker 7: I mean I enjoyed the different theories and the conversation
Speaker 7: around this. I think it's a different perspective. Have I
Speaker 7: listened to a bunch of spaces and I haven't seen
Speaker 7: that presented anywhere else, So I hope I would listen
Speaker 7: to the tuned in today enjoyed that, and uh, we'll
Speaker 7: see you guys next week.
Speaker 3: Hey man. Leave it to leave it to Mark Anderson
Speaker 3: in the Boiler Room to bring a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 3: has not been widely discussed this week on this topic,
Speaker 3: so it was great to have you with us. Man.
Speaker 3: I hope to see you next week.
Speaker 4: Thanks man.
Speaker 3: All Right, mister Coil Pharaoh is out Baselet analyzer over
Speaker 3: to you, man, save around front. Thoughts anything else you
Speaker 3: went through out here tonight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm walking away from this whole thing, just sort
Speaker 6: of thinking what I did before and there's nothing to
Speaker 6: change that totally believable.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think that there are a number of good movies
Speaker 6: and books about this stuff. Don't forget Clint Easwood in
Speaker 6: the Line of Fire, which is interesting because the Secret
Speaker 6: Service guys name was Clint. Also it's John Malcatraz an assassin.
Speaker 6: The series I think it was called Thirteen or Thirteen
Speaker 6: Days with James Franco, which is interesting. It's an interesting take,
Speaker 6: and a bunch of good books. Don Delillo's Libra, especially
Speaker 6: the book The Devil's the Was It The Devil's Chessboard
Speaker 6: on Alan Dulles, The John Prattos book on Cia. All
Speaker 6: these things discuss this in depth. But overall, I just
Speaker 6: think it's important to look into this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, one thing about the document release, like without
Speaker 6: without you know, rills or accoutreml is the fact that
Speaker 6: like they just put it there, and I think that's good.
Speaker 6: So it lets us to work on it and that's fine.
Speaker 6: Hopefully we'll we'll find some stuff out, but people should
Speaker 6: dive into it.
Speaker 1: Other than that.
Speaker 6: Thanks guys, appreciate you having me here. And I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be doing some stuff tomorrow night on YouTube. So come
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Speaker 1: Bas Let Analyzer piece.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks, Baselet Analyzer on YouTube. Be sure you're
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Speaker 3: how did we get a black box there? That's weird?
Speaker 3: Over to you? Ruckus?
Speaker 9: Am I am? I am?
Speaker 1: I good?
Speaker 3: You're good?
Speaker 9: Yeah I was. There was a quote that I wanted
Speaker 9: to share from JFK and I couldn't find it in time,
Speaker 9: but he had said something about the poor versus the rich.
Speaker 9: Here it is. This is for Elon Musk, because Elon
Speaker 9: Musk is having a rough time right now with all
Speaker 9: of his tesla's and his dealerships blowing up. But I
Speaker 9: guess he was bitching and moaning about it, and our
Speaker 9: friend Patrick Kenningson had a good time trolling him back
Speaker 9: and I joined in because he's the richest dudent on
Speaker 9: the planet. But JFK did say at a commencement address
Speaker 9: or something like that or his inaugural address, that's right,
Speaker 9: January twentieth, nineteen sixty one. If a free society cannot
Speaker 9: help the many who are poor, it cannot save the
Speaker 9: few who are rich. Thanks for having me, Hesher, God
Speaker 9: bless each and every one of you, and may God
Speaker 9: save this republic.
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Speaker 3: So thanks for being here tonight, and you know, I
Speaker 3: guess I'll just close by saying it appears that things
Speaker 3: are as have many have said for decades. Our own
Speaker 3: government was most likely involved in the assassination or an
Speaker 3: assassination situation of a sitting American president who wanted to
Speaker 3: end a war, curb the influence of a foreign government
Speaker 3: on the American government. And what did they do after
Speaker 3: they did that, They created a term conspiracy theorist and
Speaker 3: weaponized it so that the connotation in the term is,
Speaker 3: if you question the government narrative aka the Warren Report
Speaker 3: in this case, you are not right in the head.
Speaker 3: You are potentially dangerous. You're anti American, and now maybe
Speaker 3: you're anti Semitic too, if you're really looking deep in
Speaker 3: the rabbit hole. Still, look at how they slow rolled
Speaker 3: this information out over six decades, actually fomenting and allowing
Speaker 3: and stage managing conspiracy theories, actually promoting alternative narratives, and
Speaker 3: slow feeding the American public this trash while demonizing anyone
Speaker 3: who questioned the official narrative. Friends, this is a psyops
Speaker 3: tactic widely used by our intel communities, open you know,
Speaker 3: and spoken of. There's books about it all. There's tons
Speaker 3: of information and one can dive into. This is a
Speaker 3: psy ops tactic used widely by all the intel communities
Speaker 3: in regime change operations and setting the stage for wars.
Speaker 3: And what happened after JFK's assassination, Well, the war in
Speaker 3: Vietnam escalated, and this psyop has been wielded as a
Speaker 3: blunt weapon against all of us for decades, and they
Speaker 3: piled on top of it with similar syops about WMDs
Speaker 3: leading up to the Iraq War, nine to eleven, COVID
Speaker 3: lab leaks, forced vaccinations, the manipulation of our currency, Waco,
Speaker 3: Ruby Ridger, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Las Vegas, Boston bombing, Bernardino,
Speaker 3: San Bardino, ninety three World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, Bin
Speaker 3: Laden's life and death and affiliations isis al Qaida Hamas
Speaker 3: Santinista's Mexican cartels. The fish narrative on every single one
Speaker 3: of those, plus dozens of other incidents I didn't mention,
Speaker 3: have the same modus operandi, And when one looks deep
Speaker 3: enough into any of those situations, all you can do
Speaker 3: is ask more questions and then be labeled a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3: The revelation here is not who killed JFK. The revelation
Speaker 3: is the CIA and their affiliates are willing and able
Speaker 3: and have most likely assassinated a president to change policy.
Speaker 3: That is where we're at, So, conspiracy theorists, we'll see
Speaker 3: you next time right here in the boiler room. Have
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