WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:09.279 Can you dig as god you dig ads? 2 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:26.879 Ladies, gentlemen, friends, foes, lurkers, regulars, GMO people, organic people, 3 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:28.920 room in battles. 4 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:34.520 Why two? 5 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:43.960 What all right? 6 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:48.280 Ladies and gentlemen, friends and foes, lurkers and regulars. Welcome 7 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:51.280 to the boiler room. I'm your host. My call sign 8 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.399 is Hesher. I'm Brian McLain broadcasting live out of Central 9 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.439 Texas right here for Alternate Current Radio. It is March 10 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.119 the twentieth, twenty twenty five. It's great to be here 11 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:06.920 with you, and yes, we have a live stream lined 12 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.280 up for you tonight. I think I've got all of 13 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:14.480 the various chats blazing over here, so it's wonderful to 14 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:20.760 see you out there on Rumble, on YouTube and on X. 15 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:22.959 Look at that. I have a big green check mark 16 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:27.959 on my streaming platforms here and X. Guess what you 17 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:31.120 are back in business. We are back in business on 18 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:35.719 X so big thanks to our listener that kicked in 19 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:39.519 last week and provided that donation for that specific cost. 20 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:44.159 That was wonderful. And now we've got a third platform here. 21 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.120 Now we just need to get back on Rock Finn 22 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:50.439 and we will be back to nominal broadcasting levels here Rockfinn. 23 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.280 I've noticed a bunch of stuff, a bunch of conversation 24 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:55.680 about this going on on X, But I gotta be 25 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.799 honest with you, I haven't wasted the time to read 26 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:01.920 it all, you know, because I just don't have time 27 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.879 to mess with platforms that are gonna do weird stuff 28 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:08.639 like that. So maybe I'll get around to it, maybe not. 29 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.360 I don't know. Is rockfin gonna go the way of 30 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.879 the Dodo. I'm not sure. We've been on rock Finn 31 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.360 for a long time, so hopefully we'll get that re 32 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.240 established soon. But I'm not going to go in and 33 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.039 read all that X drama about it. I'll reach out 34 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:24.800 to my contact there and see if I can figure 35 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.759 out what's going on the old fashioned way, one on one. 36 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.560 But hey, we got a lot going on this week. 37 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.039 Let's see here real quick. I want to thank anyone 38 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:40.719 that has dumped in on the donation drive that we're 39 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:44.560 currently on. 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Tonight, 50 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.919 we're going to talk a little bit about the JFK 51 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:31.639 files and I have wrangled Mark Anderson out of whatever 52 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.599 he was doing. I'm sure he was truth hounding somewhere 53 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:39.120 as it came time for Boiler Room tonight, and he's 54 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.759 joining us right now. Mark, Welcome to the boiler Room. 55 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.840 How you doing very well, sir? 56 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:49.240 Still reeling from our climate talk the other night, the 57 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.800 conundrum of the fire society we live in, you know, 58 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.719 wildfires here there and everywhere. What's going on? Where's the prevention, 59 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.360 where's the cure? What's up? You know? And that's really 60 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.240 interesting current stuff. But yeah, we got a little handle 61 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.159 on history here and maybe we can lend considerable clarity 62 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:12.680 to it, and a lot of talk about, of course, 63 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.839 the release of the latest batch of JFK documents, so 64 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:18.839 much to discuss. 65 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:21.720 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we're really glad you're here with us. 66 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.759 And yeah, as Mark mentioned, if you missed it on 67 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.120 I think it was Sunday night, Mark and I did 68 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:31.240 a special broadcast right here in the boiler Room, and 69 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:35.160 that's up at the what we were called on Rumble. 70 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.079 We're called boiler Room on Rumble, and we're called Alternate 71 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:44.360 Current Radio on YouTube. So head on over to those 72 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.480 channels to check out that talk. Mark and I are 73 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:53.199 finding some alarming trends as it comes to this season's 74 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.959 weather and some of the weather reporting. We talked a 75 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.920 lot about wildfires. We didn't even really get to the tourney, 76 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:02.519 but that was a whole other crazy thing going on. 77 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.439 But that is up there on our channels, so go 78 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:07.399 check it out. Leave us a comment. We'd love to 79 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:10.879 see some comments on those videos. Seen a couple, but 80 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.519 get on over there and give us your thoughts about 81 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.959 our discussion over there, especially if you live in one 82 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.800 of the affected zones. We would love to hear it. Yeah, 83 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:28.079 no kidding, Jason Jason's World's on fire Man. Yeah no kidding, dude. Okay, 84 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:33.959 let's see here, the world is one big boiler room. Yeah, 85 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.879 no kidding, dude, no kidding. All right. So Mark has 86 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.839 a lot of history, a lot of research, a lot 87 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:46.360 of journalism, a lot of investigative journalism, documentary work, much 88 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.240 much knowledge on the JFK situation. So we're very glad 89 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.680 to have him here tonight. We also have this next 90 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.160 guy I'm going to bring on. We've all kind of 91 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.839 taken different approaches. I think I'm getting the impression we've 92 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.920 all taken sort of different approaches with how we've just 93 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:05.319 to allow this to hit us initially. So for myself, 94 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:09.360 I've kind of been mostly watching the mainstream media and 95 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.560 just like the short form, just kind of trying to 96 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.120 get a barometer for it and see what the general 97 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.360 message to the general public is supposed to be. But 98 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.720 the next guy I'm going to bring on, he's been 99 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:26.680 deep diving into the what is it? I don't even know, 100 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.240 eighty thousand pages or something like that. It's it's a 101 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.759 lot of stuff, even though it includes the entire Warrants 102 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.759 Report and a whole bunch of other stuff that we've 103 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.600 already seen. But based lit Analyzer joining us now, he's 104 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.000 been in the documents and he's been shielding himself from 105 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:49.560 everybody else's analysis. So I think we've got a pretty 106 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:54.160 good you know variety here based of sort of like, 107 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.360 you know, different perspectives at least how we're looking at this. 108 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:59.680 So this should be a fun, like I don't know, 109 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.079 ultron movement moment where all of us kind of come 110 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.360 together and you know, form a larger analysis here. How 111 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:07.600 you doing, buddy, Good to see you. 112 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:09.199 Yeah, good to see you guys. 113 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.000 You know, I'm really looking forward to what Mark Anderson 114 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.040 here has to say about this stuff. He's been the 115 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.839 expert expert for a long time, and you know, all 116 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.519 you guys, what's interesting Just I'll just say this. What's 117 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.560 interesting right off the bat is there has not been 118 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:26.480 the interest in the release that I, you know, assumed. 119 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:27.839 That there would be kind of right away. 120 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.399 I think there are a number of reasons for that, 121 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.839 probably just mistrust in general of stuff in the past. 122 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:38.120 But there is a lot of really wild, interesting stuff 123 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.759 in this one, and as far as I can tell it, 124 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.480 they they held up on their unredacted rule that they 125 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:45.959 were going to do. 126 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.480 So I'm looking forward to talking about this one tonight. 127 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.120 Yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, all right, let's let's 128 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:57.319 welcome the Mystical Pharaoh to the stage here, Mystical Pharaoh, 129 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.720 it wasn't him. He didn't do it, mister didn't do it. 130 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:00.839 What's the up, dude? How you doing? 131 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.360 I'm doing good man, How are you? 132 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:05.959 I'm good. I'm really glad you're able to join us tonight. 133 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.360 Thanks me too. Yeah, looking forward to see what we 134 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.480 get into. And as you said, it's a crazy world. 135 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.879 I was just looking at and use and say that 136 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.680 Connor McGregor is running for Island president, so. 137 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:25.519 It's uh, ridiculous idiot. 138 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:30.920 But yeah, let's let's see what we get into. 139 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.480 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, don't don't get us started on that guy. 140 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.320 Don't make us call Jason Burmis and. 141 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.240 I know right, That's what I thought about when. 142 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.279 I had Yeah, we could, we could get a massive 143 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.679 lecture on that one if we wanted to. But yeah, 144 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:48.399 I'm very interested in that too. Before I bring in 145 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.759 our final member here, Mystical what what about you? Have 146 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.879 you looked at any of the JFK stuff or coming 147 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:56.960 in a sort of cold or where are you at 148 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:57.200 with it? 149 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:58.360 I have not. 150 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:04.240 I just through some of them, and I've been just 151 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:09.399 getting excerpts from like X of things, but I have 152 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:10.559 not done a deep dive. 153 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.200 What base and marquas to. 154 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.960 Say, right on, right on, Well, you represent a important 155 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.320 segment of the audience tonight as well with that tactic, 156 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.600 because honestly, I mean, it's really hard to take the 157 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.919 time to go through all this, even if you're dumping 158 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.320 it into the AI apps and asking them to summarize. 159 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.480 Don't you think it is? 160 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:33.960 It is? 161 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:38.080 And I just you know, there's a lot of people 162 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.919 that's coming. And the interesting thing is, just as I 163 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.200 was observing the campaigns, you can see there's a bunch 164 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.480 of boats that coming just hey, it's these people did it. 165 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.399 And then another group that's coming saying, you know, completely 166 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.000 like trying to utralize that message. So I'm interested to 167 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.919 see what you guys say, and yeah, which way you're 168 00:09:58.960 --> 00:09:59.279 gonna go? 169 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.799 Totally? Man, totally. That's one thing. This the JFK is 170 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.399 the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? The conspiracy 171 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.840 gift that keeps on giving. It seems like we're still 172 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.600 at a point with this where it's like, wherever your 173 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.279 bias might be, you're gonna find an echo chamber or 174 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.279 you know, a click to hang out with. So it's 175 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:18.879 gonna be interesting. 176 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.600 That's my impression, is like there is no closure. Yeah, yeah, 177 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.279 it's more candy, right right right, okay, cool, Yeah, first 178 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.600 things fucking last. Everybody right there, there you go, let's 179 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.120 bring the ruckus among us. 180 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.759 Ruckus, what's going on? Welcome to the boiler man, boiler room. 181 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.919 I can't talk tonight. How's it going, man, it's going well. 182 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.799 It's actually been steadily going better for me. In fact, 183 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.320 I dare say the future is so bright, I gotta 184 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.360 wear shades alongside with of course also a gamma radiation 185 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.399 shielded has mat suit. But yeah, that's that's how I'm 186 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.039 feeling right now. But no, I'm feeling good, not feeling 187 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:59.559 so good about the recent document dump. But maybe I'll 188 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.799 feel better after we speak with our steamed colleagues about it. Hesher. 189 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.320 I'm going to be along for the ride because JFK 190 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.360 is not my expertise. You know that. Historically speaking, I 191 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.399 was one of those wackos who thought that the wife 192 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.600 shot and killed him, so you know. But anyways, here 193 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.399 we are, maybe I'll learn something, maybe I'll contribute to 194 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:21.200 I'll give some live reactions in ad libbing along the way. 195 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:23.720 But it should be fun. Should be good. I'm sure 196 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.639 we'll talk about other things too, but yeah, thanks for me, all. 197 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.799 Right, Absolutely, very good, very good. So you were an 198 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.759 og conspiracy theorist on that one too, that's all. 199 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.559 The Jesuitz did it. Everyone knows the Jesuitz did it. 200 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.639 That's right, the Black Pope, the Jesuits, that's right. All right. 201 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:44.200 Well that's our team tonight, sports manning the other office 202 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:47.080 over there and the Beasts, and she says, Hi, We're 203 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.919 gonna ahead and leap frog icebreaker tonight though, and just 204 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:51.960 jump right into it because I don't know how long 205 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.120 we have everybody, and we got started a little bit 206 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:59.960 late tonight, so I'm gonna save my comments, I think, 207 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.960 and I'm gonna let Mark Anderson go first. So Mark, 208 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:09.159 maybe just give everybody a little bit of background here 209 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.360 for any of our new viewers, just, you know, briefly 210 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.600 tell them who you are, what you do, and how 211 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:22.080 you originally got interested in the topic. Oh hold on, 212 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:23.919 I better unmute you if I'm going to ask you 213 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.399 questions that would probably be helpful. Go ahead, Mark. 214 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:32.919 Yeah, it was a very gradual thing. My mom God 215 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.279 rust her soul. She died in September of twenty twenty three. 216 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.559 She was, in some ways the original conspiracy theorist. She 217 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:44.399 talked to one of her ladies groups, a very stuffy 218 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:48.000 group way back when, about a false flag operation, and 219 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:49.799 you could hear a pin drop at the end of 220 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:55.159 her presentation. And she raised me with extreme skepticism toward 221 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:59.200 the Warren Report and whatnot. And we lived in Michigan. 222 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.799 Gerald for was a congressman from Michigan. Somehow he made 223 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.039 it on the Warren Commission. She called him little Boy 224 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.759 Blue and criticized him for signing the Warren Report. So 225 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:12.840 I was sort of marinated in all this, but like 226 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:16.480 so many Americans, I was sort of enthralled or in 227 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:21.279 the thrall of the dichotomy. You know, he was assassinated 228 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.679 by a rifle fire. It's only a question of where 229 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.440 the rifle fire came from. And then you had the 230 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.799 Warren Commission, and then you had everyone else. And the 231 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:36.279 Warren Commission had this very simplistic theory. They never really 232 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:41.200 actually did what you would call true investigation. It's worth 233 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:47.799 noting briefly, I'll mention that even though ELM. Street by 234 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:52.559 the former Texas school Book Depository and the incident that 235 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.559 happened there, even though it happened with regards to an 236 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:00.600 open air limo, they had that street opened up to 237 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:04.720 regular traffic the same day, within just a few hours, 238 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:08.039 if that. So, the leader of the free world is 239 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.720 apparently evidently allegedly assassinated, however you want to frame it, 240 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:16.039 and they have the street back open to regular traffic 241 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.840 with no real follow up, true detective work going on. 242 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:26.639 No Columbo's there, no Sherlock Holmes there. And so the 243 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.960 Dallas Police always had this facade of being these tough, 244 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:35.360 no compromise officers, but the whole thing relive really never 245 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:40.200 involved real gumshoe work from A to Z. And the 246 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:45.399 Warren Commission itself, as I told David Denton today, a 247 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:51.960 JFK historical group leader who's a academician, a professor up 248 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.919 in Illinois, ahead of that group, as I mentioned to 249 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:01.080 him today, the Warren Commissions, the the very makeup of 250 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.360 the Warren Commission should have been dismissed at the onset 251 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:10.440 the fired CIA officer, the head of the CIA, in fact, 252 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:14.360 Alan Dulles, popping up on the Warren Commission, appointed and 253 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:23.759 organized largely by the very bullheaded and you know, the 254 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:25.879 kind of person that always wanted to settle a score. 255 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:30.320 You know. LBJ was someone who was very mean spirited 256 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.799 and had a lot of revenge and a lot of 257 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.000 angst in him. He didn't like the Kennedys at all. 258 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:39.759 But I'm not saying he was that heavily involved, but 259 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:43.320 the fact that he didn't like them, he had a 260 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.679 chip on his shoulder about the Kennedates. He appoints Alan 261 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:51.639 Dulles as a member of this Warren Commission. He was 262 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.559 recently head of the CIA, once again fired by JFK. 263 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:56.279 What's he doing there? 264 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:56.559 Right? 265 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.440 And then John J. McCloy out of the Philadelphia political 266 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:05.759 machine world bank. He's a banker. Arlen Spector, a future 267 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:09.360 US Senator out of Pennsylvania, a lawyer at the time. 268 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.240 So really, the Warren Commission, you know, headed by Earl Warren, 269 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:17.240 the Chief Justice, chief Justice of the Supreme Court, something 270 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:22.919 of a buffoon, ultraliberal, ultra left wing. And so the 271 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.200 whole makeup of the Warren Commission was so suspect, and 272 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.679 it's amazing that they they pulled that one over on 273 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.240 the American people. Such a disreputable motley crew right from 274 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:38.519 the beginning, And if the American people hadn't been so 275 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.159 caught up in the media ambedded emotion of that street 276 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.080 theater on Elm Street that day, maybe they would have 277 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.799 been more rational and would have seen what an impossible 278 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:54.279 and unworkable and unacceptable thing. The Warren Commission itself was okay, 279 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.960 there was no there were no criminologists on that. Why 280 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.799 didn't they hire let's just say, a retired detective from 281 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:08.720 Scotland Yard in London, somebody detached, somebody objective, somebody with 282 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.960 not too much emotional input into the US. There's all 283 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.480 sorts of questions that one could ask, but the Warrant 284 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:20.720 Commission itself should have been a non starter. You know. 285 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.559 There was some sundry Congress members Gerald Ford, who was 286 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.119 known really to have a drinking problem. They blamed it 287 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.680 on his wife, Betty Ford, but it was actually Gerald 288 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:34.680 who had the drinking problem in my estimation. But that 289 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:39.720 being said, fast forward to two thousand and seven and 290 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.480 I was covering a conference in a suburb of Dallas 291 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:45.559 and somebody came up to me and tapped me on 292 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.640 the shoulder and gave me a book that was still 293 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:51.240 shrink wrap. It was still in shrink wrap, and it 294 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:54.880 was called here it is here, My god, I'm hit 295 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:00.519 by Brian David Anderson, no relation. And I left it 296 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:02.720 in the shrink wrap for the better part of a 297 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.000 month and didn't even open it. When I did open 298 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.720 it prior to calling the author who lived and grew 299 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:16.160 up in the Dallas area. When I finally opened it 300 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:21.480 and looked through it, I was puzzled, astonished, taken aback, 301 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.279 you name it. So one thing led to another, and 302 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:30.119 I kind of fell into this unintended you know, I 303 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.000 wasn't looking for it kind of situation. When he detected 304 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.519 that I had been a reporter a long time, even 305 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.480 at that point in time, and when I told him 306 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.039 about my growing up with some interest in the affairs 307 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:46.720 of JFK and so on his presidency and the Dallas 308 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.599 retirement plan for his presidency. When I told them all that, 309 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:53.480 he said, Mark, you got to be my co investigator. 310 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.359 I'm going to do a new edition of this book. 311 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:00.000 And I was sort of the reluctant soldier. But I 312 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:05.160 with considerable reluctance or hesitation, you might say, I signed 313 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:09.519 on to be kind of the scully to his molder, 314 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.640 if you will. I was to be the skeptic that 315 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.599 would keep him in check. He was the more imaginative guy, 316 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:20.960 you might say, using that X files analogy. But over time, 317 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:25.400 as I did research alongside him, in parallel with him, 318 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:30.960 I came to understand that something very probably happened that 319 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:34.319 day that was very different than what we've been told. 320 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:39.720 And what it does is that it breaks the polarity 321 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.920 technique that is often used against us. The polarity technique 322 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.839 is you've got to believe in either door number one 323 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.319 or door number two. Don't talk about door number three. 324 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:55.200 You've got to believe in a certain parameter, otherwise you're 325 00:19:55.279 --> 00:20:00.960 just not an acceptable citizen in this country. It happens 326 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.440 with nine to eleven, and I'm kind of revealing my 327 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.039 views on nine to eleven. They give you either the 328 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:10.519 government story, the nineteen hijackers, the amazing things they pulled 329 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.200 off while they're in caves in Afghanistan, and Osama bin 330 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:22.000 Laden in that whole yarn versus the thermite purely explosions 331 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:27.160 theory of the nine to eleven incident, and that, of 332 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:32.200 course isn't really credible because so much of the building 333 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:36.319 material was missing. In other words, they weren't just blown 334 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.200 to pieces, and the pieces fell to the ground. The 335 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:43.000 buildings essentially in part or to a large extent, disappeared. 336 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:47.039 They were justified taken a part at the molecular level 337 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:52.079 with some sort of advanced weaponry. So the government story 338 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:58.200 didn't work. And then the alternative of purely thermite purely 339 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:03.240 an explosive approach was also in the final analysis, I 340 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.000 believe lacking not totally wrong, but lacking to explain the 341 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.839 whole totality of it. But that's just an example. With JFK. 342 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.400 The dicademy is he was shot by rifle fire. It's 343 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:17.440 only a question of did it come from the Texas 344 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.559 school Book Depository or did it come from someplace else, 345 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.960 namely the so called Grassy Knoll. Could it be, and 346 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:27.799 this is where it gets very revealing, could it be 347 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:31.920 that he wasn't shot by rifle fire at all? And 348 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.200 might that be the reason we never solved the riddle 349 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:39.400 because it wasn't. Here it goes, it wasn't an assassination. 350 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:46.920 Okay, this is where it gets interesting. Yeah, and that's what. 351 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.160 That's what Brian's thesis was. Of course, I wasn't an 352 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:54.119 instant convert, and in a way I'm still not one 353 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.920 hundred percent on it, because I think it's the programming 354 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:01.279 over the years that we've all been subjected to. One 355 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:03.839 of the reasons I think is the emotional impact of 356 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.880 it still hasn't totally worn off. People like to think 357 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:11.359 of Kennedy as our young king. Presidents these days are octagenarians. 358 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.240 This guy was only forty six, in the prime of 359 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.440 his adult, mature youth. You might say, you know, handsome 360 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:26.160 by most criteria, you know, intelligent, witty, likable in many respects, 361 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:29.720 classy in many respects, and people think of him as 362 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.359 our young king, our young prince that was taken by 363 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.720 evil forces. But it also could be that Kennedy maybe 364 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:41.640 wasn't quite the sterling character that we were told. You know, 365 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.000 he had warts and all faults and faults and foibles 366 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.640 like we all do. And he may have had a 367 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:50.599 darker side, or at least a more mysterious side to him. 368 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.960 Not necessarily a dark side per se. But that's sort 369 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 of just the outline of where I came from and 370 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.440 what I arrived at. And over the course of two 371 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.920 thousand and eight through two thousand and fourteen is when 372 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.160 most of the research took place, and there was some 373 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.640 experiences along the way I didn't expect to have that 374 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.200 were really quite quite amazing. One of them, i'll just 375 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:21.519 jump to the chase, was in twenty thirteen when they 376 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.480 had the fiftieth anniversary. Brian and I met Mary Mormon, 377 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.440 who was on Jackie Jackie's side of the one hundred 378 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.000 x lemo in front of the school book depository. Her 379 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.119 and Jean Hill were those two known ladies on Jackie's side. 380 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.559 And we met Mary Mormon and showed her our theory 381 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:47.160 of a abdication under the guise of an assassination. And 382 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.839 I know that she's probably not of her right mind anymore, 383 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.720 and she may have even passed away. You know, I 384 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.519 need to check that out. But she and I scouts 385 00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:59.279 on her because I don't have a film of her 386 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.319 saying this. She agreed with us. She agreed with Brian, 387 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:02.640 and I. 388 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:05.359 Wow. 389 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:09.599 And I don't know if you want to go through 390 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.359 other people and come back to me or if you 391 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.960 want me to kind of continue. There are some visuals 392 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.359 we could show that I could explain, But Brian, you're 393 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.039 at the helm, Brian, so let me know what you're 394 00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:21.519 comfortable with or what you want to do. 395 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.839 Okay, sure. I just looked up Mary Mormon. Appears she's 396 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.599 still alive. She's ninety two years old, at least on Wikipedia. 397 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:33.680 There's no indication that she is deceased, so she may 398 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.680 be one of the very very few people that were 399 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.240 there that day or part of this story in some 400 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.960 way that's still around. So just throwing that in there. 401 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.319 Let me go around the room real quick and see 402 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.160 what everyone has to say with what you just laid 403 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.759 out there, Mark, And I'm sure everybody's eager to get 404 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.240 to the part where you describe what you mean by 405 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.240 an abdication instead of an assassination. But let me go 406 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.279 to ruckus here, go around the room real quick. 407 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.720 That was the question, are you Are you saying he 408 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:06.799 faked his death and that they secured him to a 409 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.880 new life somewhere in essence? 410 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.440 Yes, that that was Brian's thesis that I helped him research. Correct. 411 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.759 Okay, all right, excellent, What about you, mystical Pharaoh? Any 412 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.400 any commentary thus far? 413 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.359 No, that's really interesting. I would love to see what's 414 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:25.200 his basis to this. 415 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.359 Okay, great, well you're in luck. You're in luck, my friend, 416 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:32.000 because there is a book and a documentary that you 417 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:36.440 can absorb the all of it in its full glory. There. 418 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:40.359 Mark has the the book with him and we'll provide 419 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.559 a link to the documentary on the show page. Tonight. 420 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:46.880 Let me go to based lit Analyzer based What do 421 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:47.720 you think so far? 422 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:48.119 Man? 423 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.880 Well, I especially appreciate Mark Anderson's point that they should 424 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.640 have gotten an outside detective and an outside expert, so 425 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.079 look at this whole thing, you know, someone from Scotland yard. 426 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.200 Because what's weird about the one of the elements that 427 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.960 that comes out in the documents is the amount of 428 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.880 times the British intelligence you know, m I six, m 429 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:12.119 I five play a major role in the I mean 430 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.839 they're bound to in you know, eighty thousand pages or whatever. 431 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:20.000 But that's an interesting theory at the end there, and 432 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.240 there've been what's wild is, of course we all know 433 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.119 that there have been so many theories. The most recent 434 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.599 of which, you know, I want to hear Mark's take 435 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:32.720 on is in that documentary where the conclusion with the 436 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.160 forensic medical examiners of the present day said that, oh 437 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.799 it turns out it was like people thought it was 438 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:43.519 the driver who did it, all right, became the sort 439 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.920 of status quo now. 440 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.400 So you know, yeah, that that does come into play. 441 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:50.119 Mark and I have talked a bit about this in 442 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.000 the past. I'm trying to figure out how to become 443 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.880 a convert still and I'm extremely intrigued and it has 444 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.960 left me even more open minded about this situation than 445 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.960 I even previously was. So Mark, I'll pass it back 446 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:06.680 to you pick up where you left off. 447 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:13.319 Well, I guess we could show these pictures that came 448 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.720 out of a PowerPoint presentation that I shared with you 449 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.559 on Skype. I plucked them out of there. I'm building 450 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.720 a large PowerPoint in the wake of this later latest 451 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:28.039 document release to give even some public presentations in my 452 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:33.240 hometown of Bridgeman, Michigan. Kudos to that wonderful library because 453 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:38.000 they've always been extremely open to free speech. And I 454 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.319 gave a presentation there a year ago November, and it 455 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.200 was surprisingly well received on relatively short notice in a 456 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.720 high circulation newspaper. We published a notice and on short 457 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.680 notice we got about twenty six twenty seven people there 458 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.640 and I only had about four or five detractors, maybe 459 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.039 six or eight others who were sitting on the fence, 460 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.160 and the rest based seem to agree with me, at 461 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:07.720 least in principle that at least with the observation that 462 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.559 one of the things that may keep this from being 463 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.480 solved is we've been given a false dichotomy. In other words, 464 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:21.559 the lynchpin is the main lynchpin is the word assassination. 465 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.400 So if you use psychology and you say JFK assassination, 466 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.000 it's like saying milk, it does a body good, beef, 467 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:36.319 it's what's for dinner, seven up the on kola. It 468 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.160 becomes a slogan, it becomes embedded in our consciousness. 469 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.160 So assassination, it's what happened. 470 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:48.240 Yeah, JFK assassination. So if you think the deep state, 471 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.400 the cryptocracy, whatever you want to call it, if you 472 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.839 think they're pretty crafty, of course they are. And so 473 00:28:54.440 --> 00:29:00.079 they're going to use various forms of psychology, particularly rever 474 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:05.960 psychology and other forms to psych out the people. Because 475 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:11.920 you don't control a people or a population unless you 476 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.119 can control their thought patterns. And you can't control their 477 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.839 thought patterns unless you use psychological techniques. And so it's 478 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:25.559 very basic just to ram home the lynchpin that word assassination. So, 479 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:30.039 JFK assassination. But what if you're just so rebellious or 480 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:35.440 so resistant to that programming that you pry that word 481 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:40.000 assassination away from the letters JFK and just look at 482 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:43.359 the holy event fresh, doing a little bit of the 483 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:48.279 detective work that wasn't really ever done. Okay. What you 484 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.079 come up with is what Brian did, and that is 485 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.440 a fresh set of observations. And one of the things 486 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.079 you have to do is you have to get the 487 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.440 emotion away from you. Stop thinking about our lovely, handsome 488 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.559 dead king. Oh my god, they killed our king. You 489 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.480 can't think that way if you get emotional, if you 490 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.920 get too enveloped in the Americana of it, if you will, 491 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.960 your emotions will will help block your rational thinking. That's 492 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:20.599 what emotions do. They want to keep the American people 493 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:25.559 in sort of a perpetual state of quasi mourning, quasi grief. 494 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.880 We're never going to ever quite get over the tragedy 495 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.759 kind of thinking. And that is intentional. I'll guarantee you 496 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.880 that's intentional, okay, Because what you really have to do 497 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.000 is you have to just look at Kennedy as just 498 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:43.200 another guy and just look at this thing in a 499 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.319 Sherlock Holmes kind of way, a Colombo sort of way. 500 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:51.920 And when you eliminate the impossible. Whatever remains, however improbable, 501 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.519 tends to be as close to the truth as you're 502 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:56.880 going to get. And you have to also remember that 503 00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.640 some of the things, some of the little details and 504 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.119 nus and crannies, are now beyond our reach. You're not 505 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.039 going to be able to fill every gap no matter 506 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.920 what you do, including mine and Brian's work, It's never 507 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.160 going to be absolutely folk proof. It can only be 508 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:18.039 beyond a reasonable doubt at best, because of the factor 509 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.000 of how much time has went by and all the 510 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:25.440 machinations of the cryptocracy. But let's show some of those slides. 511 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.920 Yeah, absolutely, Mark, and not just the time that's gone by, 512 00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:37.440 but also in that amount of time, the most damning 513 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:45.440 evidence will most certainly have been deleted, shredded, magnetized, put 514 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.720 in a burlap sack and drop to the bottom of 515 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.359 the Atlantic Ocean like all that, you know what I mean, 516 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.680 like that stuff. And we're at a point now where 517 00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.160 a lot of these people were talking about you know, 518 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.000 I mean, even the woman that you mentioned, she's in 519 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.079 her nineties. She's in her nineties, and you know it. 520 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.839 So yeah, we're this I guess what I'm getting at 521 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.839 is just to underline your point, the slow dripping out 522 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:16.200 of all this and all of the conspiracy candy the 523 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.839 whole like you know, you're you talked about the sort 524 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:23.000 of binary effect there where it's like you've got you know, 525 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.119 red or blue, black or white left right, that kind 526 00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.640 of thing. You know. The approved conspiracy theory, you can 527 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.920 bet usually is drummed up by those that caused the 528 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.920 problem in the first place, because then they can corral 529 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.160 everybody into that and uh sort of gauge the public, 530 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.079 see who's going to go all the way to the 531 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.279 bottom of that rabbit hole, you know what I mean. 532 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.839 It's uh, it's almost like a the old this one 533 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.079 in particular, the older iterations of quote unquote conspiracy theories. 534 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:58.920 And this is going to be at the core of 535 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:05.880 this entire conversation exactly exactly that, you know, like they 536 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.839 they they give you a narrative that's full of holes, 537 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.000 and then trickle out enough information over time and then 538 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.200 maybe even be involved in the creation of a second 539 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.279 narrative and an alternate truth perhaps, you know, and nine 540 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.440 to eleven is a great example. Anyone that lived through 541 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:32.960 the information wars of I would say the twenty two 542 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.960 thousands and the twenty tens with regards to nine to eleven, 543 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:41.000 as various other voices appeared. Knows what I'm talking about. 544 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.599 You know exactly what I'm talking about. Okay, Mark, I'll 545 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.799 pass it back to you. And I've got all these 546 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:49.039 pictures lined up. 547 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:50.000 Oh yeah, I didn't. 548 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.200 I didn't comment on the first one you showed. Let's 549 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:56.359 go back to that one. Okay. This is this is 550 00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:01.759 frame three thirteen. And keep in mind that it isn't 551 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.559 just Brian David Anderson. There was a member of the 552 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.760 Assassination's Record Review Board named Doug Horn h O r N. 553 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.719 And he knew Dino Brugioni, the head of the National 554 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.440 Photographic Interpretation Center, a adjunct of the CIA, and Dino 555 00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.719 in his time in the early sixties late fifties was 556 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.960 the number one photo analyst in the world. Okay, and 557 00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:30.159 the Zuppruterer film did not go to Chicago as we 558 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.960 were initially told. It went to Washington, DC to the 559 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:39.280 NPIC Lab, and Dino Brugioni saw the completely uncut film 560 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.000 and then Doug Horn outlined as part of his Assassination 561 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.559 Records review Board work where he has twenty boxes of 562 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.119 files by the way that were released in this latest 563 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.719 data dump. The twenty boxes of doug Horn's work are 564 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.519 part of the latest data dump with regards to that 565 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.639 part of the data dump, that is the assassination Records 566 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:07.639 review board. Just a footnote, but anyway, So Dino BRUGIONI saw, 567 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.559 and I talked to Dino on the phone once before 568 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.880 he passed away. He lived in Virginia at the time, 569 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.599 a cantankerous, aging Italian. Let me tell you, and what 570 00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:23.119 we're looking at here is something he saw. Only as 571 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.920 I understand it, he would have seen more frames because 572 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.159 by the time the public saw the Supruder film, the 573 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.480 impact in frame three, p. Thirteen, the apparent impact, the 574 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:38.760 apparent fatal shot was reduced to a single frame that 575 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.480 could only happen if you cut other frames out of 576 00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:46.320 the film, and Dino outlined how, or doug Horn outlined 577 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.679 how the Supruiter film ended up going to Hawkeye Works, 578 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:54.280 a CIA photo lab within Eastman Kodak in Rochester, New York, 579 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.320 and doug Horn even has pictures of the equipment that 580 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.360 they would have used to Not only would they cut 581 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.280 out frames to make the movements look different, but to 582 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:10.679 add animation. What would amount to bits of animation anyway, 583 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.440 this is the one thing that no matter what they did. 584 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.880 They tried rubbing it, they tried scrubbing it out, they 585 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.639 tried soaking it out, they couldn't get rid of that 586 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.280 upward streak. You can see it going at a slight 587 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.920 angle upward, at a slight diagonal angle out of the 588 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:35.960 vicinity of JFK's head. Now, that is not characteristic of 589 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.440 a bullet coming from the front or the back, as 590 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.760 Brian explained it in what he concluded was the cause 591 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:48.679 of that was there was a squib or incendiary device 592 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.679 that was planted on or near JFK and shot straight 593 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:56.920 up in the air to simulate a bullet impact. And 594 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.840 that is what you're seeing there if you look at 595 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:07.800 that closely, if you blow it up where the body 596 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.239 that went into Parkland Hospital had a big hole in 597 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.960 the back. Me and Brian both talked to Robert McClellan, 598 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.679 the doctor who was at the back of the operating 599 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.480 table in Trauma Room one, and that body that was 600 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.760 laying there, the blood was oozing out of the cerebellum 601 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.559 back here, and Robert McClellan was right there and he 602 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.360 got blood on his garment his lab coat, which he 603 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:41.519 famously kept, and he would show that as subsequent JFK conferences. Look, 604 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.840 I have JFK's blood on my medical garment. So what's 605 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.639 interesting here, and what helps unravel the mystery is when 606 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.320 you look at this slide, the back of the head 607 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:56.880 remains intact. Okay, so you have an upward streak. But 608 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.519 where McClellan saw this big exit wound and the other 609 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.360 doctors agreed it was an exit wound, this shows no 610 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.639 impact in the back of his head whatsoever. So you 611 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.039 write that down and you say, hmm, you know, COLUMBU 612 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:17.159 would go that bothers me. That bothers me, right, yeah, 613 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:18.800 I just can't get that out of my head. It 614 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:24.320 bothers me. So that's that's one thing. Let's move on 615 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.280 and look at some other things. Throw another one at me, 616 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.320 all right, this will all make more sense. It takes 617 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:33.559 a little while to explain it. 618 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:33.840 Now. 619 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.719 Another thing that was sort of a sub linch pin. 620 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.920 The main lynch pit is the idea of an assassination 621 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.559 by rifle fire. That's the thing they have to make stick. Okay. 622 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.320 A subunit of that was the bullet, the magic bullet 623 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:54.639 that supposedly went through Kennedy's high upper back or neck 624 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.480 and came out here and went into Connolly. In order 625 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.840 for their story to stick, they had to have a 626 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.159 plausible visual that that allegedly happened. And if you look 627 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.760 closely here, and you got to kind of freshen your look. 628 00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:13.360 You got to kind of take a deep breath and 629 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.760 try and look at it fresh. If you look at JFK, 630 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.480 notice how unnatural those arms look. 631 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.559 Yeah, what he looks like he's doing the chicken dance 632 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:25.039 or something. 633 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:31.480 Well, yeah, his right arm is a unnaturally light streak 634 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:36.440 just coming out of his dark suit. That is, in 635 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:42.880 my opinion, a rather obvious animation because initially, as I 636 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.599 understand it, few if any people actually saw JFK reach 637 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.400 for his throat after the first shot was fired when 638 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.599 it happened, even Clint Hill, who died February twenty first, 639 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.920 he was the last living Secret Service agent that was 640 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:03.639 actually in vehicle. There's only one remaining Service agent secret 641 00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:06.760 Service agent besides him who was there that day, Paul Landis. 642 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.599 He lives in Cleveland, Ohio. He was a little bit 643 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.880 younger than Clint Hill. Clint Hill initially in the sixties 644 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:17.360 and seventies, especially in the seventies when he opened up 645 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.199 because he went through a time of depression and alcoholism. 646 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.719 He never said he said Kennedy reached for himself and 647 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:30.480 slumped to his left. Only after the Supruder film was 648 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.719 released and people saw this animation did they become conditioned 649 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.039 to the idea that he actually reached for his throat 650 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:42.000 when he evidently did not. So the apparent some of 651 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:46.480 the apparent cartoon work or animation was right here. To 652 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:48.960 put those fake arms on there, and you'll notice the 653 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.320 hands look like clubs. 654 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.159 Yeah, they look like muppet hands or something. 655 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.199 Right, And the way it covers the right part of 656 00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.639 his face looks very unnatural. Again, looking at it without 657 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.559 any emotional contact, pretend this is just a picture of 658 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.480 just anybody else. That's what you have to do. Just 659 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.360 you're just looking at a guy. Okay, get that emotion 660 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.280 out of your head. And it looks very unnatural. It 661 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:19.159 looks contrived, you know, animated. Let's look at another one 662 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:20.480 of that same scenario. 663 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.280 I think we have another, all right, let's see here. 664 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.679 Next one would be this one. 665 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.679 Oh okay, I guess that's enough for Do you have 666 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:36.880 any other of the arms. 667 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:45.440 Okay, let's try number four. Oh, that's the same one. 668 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.440 I must have just tried four. Let's try number five. 669 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:55.239 Okay, sorry, Okay, that's that one again. 670 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.320 Okay, okay, I guess this is turning out to be 671 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.079 a little bit harder. Let me try for again. Maybe 672 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.320 that one didn't load all the way. Nope, there it is. 673 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.079 Oh okay, they're all down here on the So apparently 674 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.639 I saved three and four is the same file? What 675 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.280 about this one? Nope, we just looked at that one. 676 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.920 What about my gosh, you gotta be kidding me, how 677 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.239 do I have all the same images here? 678 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.639 Well, we can. I really don't need another one. That 679 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.880 that one that you showed with that flashpoint close up 680 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:31.079 is probably a good one. 681 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.880 Okay, this one nope? This one? 682 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.039 Yeah. This came out a little bit later by a 683 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:46.960 guy on Quora, who, without any influence from me, was 684 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.960 believing the same thing. He looked at this as evidence 685 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.679 of a squib or a small incendi a device that 686 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.079 would be think of it as kind of like a 687 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.599 bottle rocket in a sense. But although that's not exactly right, 688 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.199 and you'll see again the back of Kennedy's head is 689 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.880 intact even though the body taken into Parkland had this 690 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.719 gaping wound in the back. And of course, the average 691 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.559 person says, how can this be well if if this 692 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.360 head shows no damage in the back and the body 693 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.079 taken into Parkland does show damage in the back, one 694 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.639 plus one equals two. Okay. The only way to really 695 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:40.920 resolve it is they weren't the same person. At least, 696 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.280 you have to entertain the notion they weren't necessarily the 697 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.559 same person. Think of it as a thought experiment. Now, 698 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.559 you might end up being wrong, But if you don't 699 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.800 go there, you'll never know. If you don't try, you'll 700 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.440 never know. Okay. And Brian and I would go back 701 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.480 and forth on this, and I would disagree with them 702 00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:03.199 and I would sometimes resist. But the now, are those 703 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.280 the only slides you have? The ones of the book 704 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.599 cover are the ones I was really hoping to show. 705 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.840 There were two that formed a back in front of 706 00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:10.280 the book. 707 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.760 Yeah, I do have those. We got this one. Oh 708 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:19.239 my god, why Streamyard, I swear this isn't me. Swhear 709 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:19.880 it's not me. 710 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.079 Well, I mean, I can do it without the visual, 711 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.039 but it would be help It would be really helpful 712 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.599 to have those two book covers. 713 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.719 Yeah, I know they're sitting right here on the hard drive. 714 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.800 Here we go, let's go. 715 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:38.159 With otherwise I'll just keep going. 716 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.920 No, I've got them here. Keep going. I'll get those 717 00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:43.239 pulled up as soon as I can. 718 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:51.760 Well, okay, so one of the things that really paints 719 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.119 a clearer picture of what I'm saying. Okay, that helps. 720 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.400 There we go. If you look at the top of 721 00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.960 this now, these were one. This was one of them, 722 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.519 a couple of different back book covers that Brian came 723 00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.559 up with. I happened to have the same one here 724 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:11.679 as that you're looking at. There's another one. Let's keep 725 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.880 it up there. Now. If you look at the top part, 726 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.559 you'll see the doctor McClellan drawing. He drew where the 727 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.320 body taken into Parkland had that rear head wound, and 728 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.199 he drew roughly what it looked like and where it was. 729 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.320 You'll see that in the upper left of the top image. 730 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.519 And Brian did this top image largely to look like 731 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.599 a photo negative for dramatic effect. And where it says 732 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.800 there where's that arrow is going from the lower right 733 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.079 to the upper left. It says the bullet had to 734 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:47.159 have had an upward trajectory. The sixth floor and the 735 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.639 Grassy Knole were both downward trajectories. So, in other words, 736 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.119 the body taken into trauma Room one, it had a 737 00:45:56.119 --> 00:46:00.519 entry wound on the upper forehead to the right at 738 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.360 the scalp line, and it had the exit wound where 739 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:07.159 doctor McClelland showed it, and that big gaping wound. But 740 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.199 when Kennedy was shown sitting in the car, he was 741 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.960 leaning to his left and facing downward. There's no way 742 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.800 a bullet could have had the trajectory from either the 743 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.760 Grassy Knole or the school book depository to enter his 744 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.559 head in that front part and to exit in the back. 745 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.960 Someone would have had to have been inside the car 746 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:33.480 on the floor. So that also excludes the driver. So 747 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:40.119 what happened here was that Okay, this is where it 748 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.320 gets tricky. If you look at the bottom, you see 749 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.039 the X ray kind of photo negative of Clinton Hill 750 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:50.880 jumping on the back of the of the limo. Now, 751 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.079 this is where it gets really strange. Okay, you're going 752 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:56.280 to have to bear with me here. I had a 753 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.920 lot of trouble with this when we first put it together. 754 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.039 A lot of my own resistance to the idea, and 755 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.000 again sometimes I still feel that resistance. Let's keep showing 756 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:13.159 that the How do you explain that in the upper 757 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.239 in the upper box that Kennedy's head was never in 758 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.360 the position to receive the wounds that the body had 759 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.800 that was taken into trauma room one? How could that be? Right? So, 760 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:30.760 as I said, one essential or maybe general explanation, whether 761 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.280 it's the best explanation, I don't know, it probably is, 762 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.639 was that they weren't the same person. Well, then you say, well, 763 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.920 how could they not be the same person? Kennedy's head 764 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.239 was not in a position to receive the wounds that 765 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:48.239 the debt that the dying body possessed. So what body 766 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:58.039 was that? Well, Brian, through the process of deduction, pointed 767 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:02.960 out that the trunk of the large limo, that very 768 00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.480 large trunk area had to have had a secret compartment 769 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.920 where there were two people beneath the seat where JFK 770 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.480 and Jackie sat, and one of them was the handler 771 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:22.719 and the other was the switchman, and the handler shot 772 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.760 the switchman through the front of the head and it 773 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:30.079 came out the back. And that was the second shot 774 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:37.320 that Clinton Hill heard in his original Warren Commission testimony. Clinton, 775 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.880 Hill said the second shot had a different sound. It 776 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.679 sounded like it had some kind of echo. It sounded 777 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.199 like a pistol shooting against a metal plate. That was 778 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.119 his almost exact quote in nineteen sixty four to the 779 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.880 Warren Commission. So for there to be another body that 780 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.000 would possess the wounds that were seen on the body 781 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.559 that went to Trouma Room won. That body was in 782 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.599 the trunk and was shot that way. It came out 783 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.800 the back. Chief Curry or was it Decker, one of 784 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.360 the officers that was in front of the Jfklemo also 785 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.239 heard that shot. And later on Buddy Walters of the 786 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:25.519 Dallas Police and a mister Barrett of the FBI, they 787 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.239 actually found the forty five slug, a pistol slug in 788 00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:33.920 the grass with what looked like organic material around it. 789 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.880 And so the pistol bullet was actually found. And what 790 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.559 Brian I guess I'll use the word theorized was the 791 00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:46.000 bullet went through the Kennedy looklike out the back of 792 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.320 the head, through the bottom of the car, bounced on 793 00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:51.159 the street. That was the echo that Clint Hill heard. 794 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.800 He heard the sound of a pistol shooting into a 795 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.159 metal plate, and then they found that forty five slug. 796 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.159 Then in what can only be described as a daring 797 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.000 cloak and dagger operation. If this thing is true, and 798 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.880 realize I've struggled with this myself, what they would have 799 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:11.880 had to have done. The only thing they could have 800 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.840 done was they would take the Kennedy lookalike who was 801 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.760 shot in the secret compartment, They'd pop the back seat up, 802 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:23.000 they'd roll him out. Kennedy himself would have been rolled 803 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.679 into the trunk very much alive, only having been shot 804 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:33.400 in the right shoulder. The first shot hit him in 805 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:37.360 the right shoulder. Brian ordered pictures of the jacket the 806 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.639 JFK War that day, high resolution pictures from the National 807 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:47.119 Archives branch in College Park, Maryland, and it did appear 808 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.880 that there was a oozing bullet wound in the shoulder 809 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:57.320 and the Secret serviceation in the front passenger part of 810 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:02.000 the limo. Roy Kellerman, a former Michigan State policeman, heard 811 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.199 Kennedy say, ah, my god, I'm hit. And that's why 812 00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:10.679 Brian called this book my God, I'm hit, because he said, 813 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:14.679 if Kennedy was shot through here and that also hit Connolly, 814 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.679 how could he have been heard exclaiming those words above 815 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.840 the din of the crowd, above the sound of the motorcycles. 816 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.920 His throat and his neck would have had to have 817 00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.400 been unmolested for him to be able to say that. 818 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.159 So Kellerman said that he turned around and saw Kennedy 819 00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.079 reaching for a point on his right shoulder like this, 820 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:44.039 not going like this. Now, some testimonies were changed as 821 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.400 time went by, and that could be attributed to all 822 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:55.559 sorts of things. But so Kennedy therefore was wounded in 823 00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:01.159 what was maybe a warning shot, whatever the case might 824 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.960 have been. I'm trying not to take too much time 825 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:10.360 explaining something that requires rather considerable explanation, but so basically 826 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:19.079 Kennedy's hid in the shoulder, the incendiary device is let off. Now, 827 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.920 another thing that has to be mentioned in order to 828 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.679 keep putting the puzzle together is Jackie claimed that she 829 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.559 was literally covered, you know, in all this blood and 830 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.880 gore and whatnot, and Clint Hill said he was covered 831 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:33.920 in it. It was all over the back of the car. 832 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.159 There's no photographic evidence that the car was covered with 833 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:41.079 anything like that. And Clint Hill later on said that 834 00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.920 he put his he took his jacket off at Parkland 835 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:47.840 Hospital and put it over Kennedy's face because it was 836 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.079 too gory for people to see. But I can't imagine 837 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:55.280 him if he was covered with blood and organic material, 838 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.199 I can't imagine him using that jacket of his own 839 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.440 to put over the leader of the Free worlds, presumably 840 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.079 the leader of the Free world's head, to take him 841 00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:10.400 into Parkland Hospital. So I realized what I what I'm 842 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.199 saying sounds initially at least quite outlandish in some respects. 843 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.960 It does mean that Jackie had to have had some 844 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.840 complicity in this, and she was not covered in blood 845 00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.480 very thoroughly at all. In fact, she only had a 846 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.679 little bit of a stain on her skirt that was 847 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.199 most visible when they got to Bethesda, Maryland, when she 848 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.920 was alongside LBJ when he was sworn in later that 849 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.679 day in November twenty second, sixty three. Her upper tarso 850 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:50.159 and everything was perfectly clean. So she apparently assisted or 851 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:56.880 at least witnessed the incendiary device going off. People that 852 00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:01.119 want to see all the other detail can can watch 853 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.480 the IMBD video that's where my godham hit. The documentary 854 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.880 is posted, and we'll have that link in the show 855 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.920 notes to try and explain the whole thing is rather arduous, 856 00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.840 but I'm doing the best I can to kind of 857 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:20.119 outline this, But basically, it was a cloak and dagger 858 00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:25.480 body switch operation where a look alike was quickly and 859 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:30.440 hurriedly wheeled into Parkland. They immediately put the the respirator 860 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.960 over the face, and the doctors in their you know, 861 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.719 in their panic and their urgency to try and save 862 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:43.239 this apparently dying human body, arguably would not have looked 863 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.360 real close at the face or the countenance or the 864 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.719 profile of the body that was brought in there. Arguably 865 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:55.079 they would have been sidetracked or absorbed by the medical 866 00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:00.280 duties that they were trained to perform. So one of 867 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.760 the signs that something was up is that they wouldn't 868 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:07.360 allow the autopsy to happen as Texas law required, and 869 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.639 they rushed the body out of there. That's one of 870 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:16.000 the at least one reasonable indication that they didn't somebody 871 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.239 at least didn't want somebody taking too close of a 872 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.039 look at the body that they brought into trauma room one. 873 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:27.679 And So, in this scenario, and I realized the gravity 874 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.360 of what I'm saying here, it does appear that there 875 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.280 was a high probability that a cloak and dagger operation 876 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:41.719 masquerading as an assassination took place. And that's why this 877 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:46.280 thing was never solved, because it wasn't an assassination. It 878 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:52.480 was a abdication, and Kennedy would have been exiled, probably 879 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.440 agreeing to some terms. He did have rather considerable back problems, 880 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.519 Addison's disease and other health issues. He may have welcomed 881 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:06.320 the retirement and the martyrdom in some twisted way. There 882 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.519 might have been a deal he couldn't refuse. His family 883 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:13.280 could have been threatened. Whatever, the Deep State maybe chose 884 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.679 not to kill him for reasons that we can only 885 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.079 dimly understand, if we understand it at all, and instead 886 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.679 that they would stage the killing and martyr him and 887 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:30.039 make him a hero in our memories. But that's what 888 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.440 it boils down to is that as he was photographed 889 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.639 in the car, he was never in the position to 890 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.599 receive the wounds that the body in the hospital possessed. 891 00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:46.599 One in one is to a deductive kind of process. 892 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:48.199 It might be a bit of a leap, It might 893 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.599 be a bit of a stretch. I realized that. But 894 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.239 as Brian and I researched this over the years, it 895 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:57.760 became more and more plausible, at least beyond a reasonable doubt. 896 00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.719 But nothing can be ironclad or air tied at this 897 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.400 point in time. I'm trying to think if there's anything 898 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:10.800 important that I've left out, I'll mention before I turn 899 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:16.079 it over to questions or comments that Brian and I 900 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:20.280 we even took this. This is interesting. We even took 901 00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:24.000 this to the Dallas DA in twenty ten. Okay. A 902 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.159 black guy named Craig Watkins got in there, and he 903 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:32.119 was a real mover and a shaker, and he wanted 904 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:33.719 to solve cold cases. 905 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:34.719 He made. 906 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.000 He made story of the headlines in the Dallas Evening 907 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.920 or the Dallas Morning News and the local radio station. 908 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.400 I'm pred Watkins and the new DNA. I want to 909 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.800 solve these cold cases throughout Dallas. And we went in 910 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.000 there and talked to one of his associates and we said, 911 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.679 we have a cold case for you that's never actually 912 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:57.199 been solved. And we took a file full of what 913 00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:01.480 we thought was the best evidence to a detective that 914 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.800 worked for the DA. All I remember is his first 915 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.559 name was Rick, and he if you've ever seen a 916 00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:12.920 face of incredulity, a face of disbelief. The expression on 917 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.119 his face once he understood what we were getting at 918 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.440 it would have been the award winning expression of incredulity. 919 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:26.360 And after the impact on him wore off, he said, 920 00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:28.760 if anything, you guys have made my day, I can't 921 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.360 wait to tell my friends and colleagues at dinner what 922 00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.440 you guys are talking about here, he said. He said 923 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:39.360 that in effect. But the first thing he said, after 924 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.039 he listened for about maybe seven or eight minutes without 925 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.599 saying a word, was you don't want me to exhume 926 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:53.760 JFK's body, do you? Okay? I guess I'll just take 927 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.000 it one more step if you could show that those 928 00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.920 book covers again, but not the first one, the other one. 929 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:06.159 That one. Okay, there's Robert McClelland, who drew that wound 930 00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.400 in the back of that head as a likeness of 931 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.800 what he saw in that picture at a JFK Lancer conference. 932 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.679 I took that photo. That's my photo. He's showing the 933 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:21.559 garment he wore that day with JFK quote unquote blood 934 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:25.159 on it. And the other picture is the shoulder of 935 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:31.480 JFK's jacket, where in Brian's opinion and my somewhat reluctant agreement. 936 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:37.400 That is the shoulder area kind of the upper arm 937 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:41.159 and shoulder area of JFK's jacket. And I will mention 938 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.840 that when the statements of the Secret Service agents who 939 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:49.320 were there that day, when those statements were declassified around 940 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.599 twenty twelve, they were compiled in a book and released 941 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.519 through the LBJ Library in Austin. And remember all the 942 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:07.159 presidential libraries are part of the National Archives. Well Bennett, 943 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:14.559 oh gosh, darn it, Secret Service agent Bennett, Glenn Bennett, 944 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.800 excuse me. Glenn Bennett said he was watching the boss, 945 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.079 his boss. I don't have the exact quote, but he 946 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:26.960 said he was shot in the right shoulder. Bennett actually 947 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.400 said he saw the bullet hit Kennedy's right shoulder. He 948 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.719 didn't look back over his shoulder when the first shot 949 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.199 was fired. Some people thought it was a firecracker, some 950 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.559 thought it was a bullet. He kept looking forward in 951 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.000 the Queen Mary the car right behind JFK's He said 952 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.360 he saw the Boss get shot on the right shoulder. 953 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:51.800 That was in that compilation of Secret Service agent witness accounts. 954 01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:57.760 But anyway, here's the real kicker. If if it's true 955 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.679 that the body that went into Truma Room one was 956 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.199 not the same body that rode in the limo through 957 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:08.719 that motorcade. Then that means that the blood that got 958 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:15.719 onto doctor Robert McClellan's garment came from the impostor not 959 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.079 the real Kennedy. If that's true, and I'm stressing the word, 960 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:23.679 if this is true, then that means that if you 961 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.360 tested the blood on that garment and you took JFK's 962 01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:34.239 blood type, what if they didn't match? That would be 963 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:42.679 a real cherry on top. Well, Brian contacted Robert McClellan, 964 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.000 and when Brian started asking those kind of questions and 965 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.360 recommending that kind of action, doctor McClelland clammed up and 966 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:57.079 wouldn't speak to Brian anymore. He got very defensive. But 967 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.280 one of the things that you'll find interesting too, I 968 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.199 keep thinking of that, and I apologize. If you read 969 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:08.159 the New York Times obituary of doctor Robert McClellan a 970 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.960 few years back, he actually mentions, and they printed it, 971 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:16.880 that he met a guy during his latter years that 972 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:21.599 claimed that Kennedy was a ringer, that the body brought 973 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.519 into Trummer Room one was a ringer or a doppelganger. 974 01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:27.639 He used the word ringer, and oh, isn't that absurd? 975 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:33.760 But that reference to Brian and indirectly to me made 976 01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:38.840 it into the obituary for McClellan in the New York Times, 977 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.519 So he and his family would would never respond, including 978 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:48.559 his family after he passed away, to Brian's repeated please 979 01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.880 and repeated suggestions that they get that blood tested to 980 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:56.760 see if it matched Kennedy's blood. And so that never happened. 981 01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.599 So somewhere in a safe depositive box lies that garment, 982 01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.400 and the results of that blood test could prove to 983 01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:10.920 be very, very interesting. And that is, in essence, that 984 01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:15.440 was my experience as sort of the reluctant researcherround this 985 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.760 whole thing. I still feel a sense of trepidation about it, 986 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.239 kind of an anxiousness when I talk about it. I 987 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.400 think there's a lot of truth to it, and I 988 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:30.320 think it's highly probable, and yet I fight the programming 989 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.760 again that we've all been subjected to, and sometimes I 990 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.119 kind of revert out of it and I think, no, 991 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.119 that just can't be. And then I come back around 992 01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.960 and I think, well, but that explains why we never 993 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.880 solved it. I keep coming back to that. But it's 994 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.280 a tough thing to get into your head, precisely because 995 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:55.119 of what we've all been taught. It conflicts so hard 996 01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:00.760 that you get this sort of conflicted feeling, this dissonance, 997 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.960 dissonance in your mind, and you can't get rid of it. 998 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:08.039 Yeah, And so I'll stop there. 999 01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.320 Because you know I'll start repeating myself and I don't 1000 01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:11.800 want to do that. 1001 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:14.079 All right, Well, just a couple of things for me 1002 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.000 before we go around the room here. This is not 1003 01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.719 the only theory of what happened that day that involves 1004 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:26.039 a doppelganger and a body swap. I've seen. I don't 1005 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:28.760 have a I don't have it up in front of me. 1006 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:33.280 I think, if memory serves, it might have been part 1007 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:39.639 of the JFK to nine to eleven war as a 1008 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.400 rich man's racket or something like that, as some long 1009 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.519 convoluted title. But I think that might have been part 1010 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.440 of their narrative in there. Forgive me if I'm wrong 1011 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.079 on that, somebody can correct me. But I've seen that 1012 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.960 one in a different circumstance. But in that one, the 1013 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.760 body swap is, you know, the logical leaf there is 1014 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.360 that the body swap happened between somewhere between Trauma Room 1015 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:08.400 one and Bethesda rather than on the site. And on 1016 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:10.760 the site, I gotta say, on the site, what you know, 1017 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.880 the scenario that you're describing here feels a little bit 1018 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.639 more cloak and dagger, And what would you expect this 1019 01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.599 to be anything but very cloak and dagger at this point. 1020 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:24.400 And you know, you got to keep in mind also 1021 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:29.519 just as added context, that there was a massive giant 1022 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.039 rift between JFK and the Intel community. The Intel community 1023 01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:39.360 did not like this guy. And you can go back 1024 01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:43.280 just what was that five years ago, six years ago 1025 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.840 and find video Maybe I'll play it if I can 1026 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.039 find it, if I get a moment, but you can 1027 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:50.760 find video of just not that long ago Chuck Schumer 1028 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:55.679 during Trump Presidency number one saying, Hey, you know, you 1029 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:57.880 don't want to go up against the Intel agencies. I mean, 1030 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:01.480 he's he's seriously sitting there, like, you know, low key 1031 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.440 threatening Trump or you know, telling Trump that he's in 1032 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.559 grave danger if he goes after uh, the Intel community. 1033 01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.039 He says, they will get you, essentially, to paraphrase him, 1034 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.400 they'll come after you. And at this point, you know 1035 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:21.960 JFK had booted multiple people and he had threatened to 1036 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:26.199 shut down the CIA. He said that he would quote 1037 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:30.639 splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it 1038 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:35.199 to the wins. And you know, he also disrupted the 1039 01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:38.920 the Bay of Pigs operation, which wasn't INTEL operation. He 1040 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:43.079 fired the leadership there. Uh, he fired uh the brother 1041 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:47.639 of the mayor of Dallas. The mayor of Dallas that 1042 01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:52.599 day changed the route also and the mayor of Dallas. Uh, 1043 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:57.079 his brother was the former CIA director fired by JFK. 1044 01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:02.519 So you know Dall, Dallas, That's right, Dulles. So just imagine, 1045 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.639 just to underline what you said earlier, Mark about the 1046 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:08.760 Warrant Commission, Just imagine if Donald Trump had been shot 1047 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:16.159 back there in Pennsylvania and Joe Biden picked like I 1048 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:21.199 don't know, William Burns or Gina Haspell, you know, Christopher Ray, 1049 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:23.559 people like that to be in charge of the commission 1050 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.400 to investigate it. I mean, that's that that's a you 1051 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.800 know what if that's a pretty good analog to what 1052 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:33.800 that must have felt like back then. So, if the 1053 01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:36.719 Intel agencies are that dangerous when it comes to things 1054 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:40.039 that are absolute for them, I don't think that it. 1055 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.639 You know, the more I'm thinking about it, I don't 1056 01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:45.400 think it would be outside of the realms of possibility 1057 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.920 for them to have done that to him without him 1058 01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:54.280 knowing it, or threatened him into accepting that, and or Jackie. 1059 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:59.880 You know, they got a pretty big family and this 1060 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.159 this is an octopus that comes with pretty big threats 1061 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:08.280 when they when they you know what I mean. So, yeah, 1062 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:11.239 very interesting. I'll yield right there. I'm going to hand 1063 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.599 it over to Bays to see him holding up books already, 1064 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.319 So Bays don't know you want to jump in here. 1065 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:22.119 Yeah, well, well he he did famously fire Alan Dulles, 1066 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:24.960 who was on the ended up on the Warrant Commission, 1067 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.720 which is crazy. 1068 01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:27.640 You were just referring to that. 1069 01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:32.039 He was also Kennedy was also famously at war with 1070 01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:34.439 US Steel at the time. 1071 01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:36.600 I think he and his brother RFK. 1072 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:40.520 Had raided the offices of the steel industry and that 1073 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.199 had had opened the books. They were not happy about that. 1074 01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:47.399 The mob was really unhappy. And aside from all the 1075 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:51.000 things that we kind of already know from you know, 1076 01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:53.520 this being around for like sixty years in a cornerstone 1077 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:56.560 of all the sea spiracy work, you know, the entire 1078 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.439 sea spiracy sphere at all, it's one of the like 1079 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:03.680 monolithic things in it. A couple of wild things came 1080 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:08.159 out of the document release the other day, and it 1081 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.199 is huge, and there's like there's no real way to 1082 01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.359 search easily, and the thing you can't do a word 1083 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:16.399 search or anything on the archives site. I heard boomer 1084 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:20.880 Larry Sabado from UVA talking today about how he had 1085 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.680 a whole team of researchers grad students searching and they 1086 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:28.640 got through about twenty percent of the entire tranch, and 1087 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.439 he kind of said some things that that I also 1088 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.079 pull came away with. I tried to avoid media takes 1089 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:37.680 on this, but one of the wild there are a 1090 01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.000 bunch of wild things that came out of this. One 1091 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:43.760 is that you can immediately see why CIA wanted this, 1092 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.399 tried to tried to block you know, this from being 1093 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.159 published for so many years, and the reason is that 1094 01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:56.920 it does seem to be completely unredacted. There are code names, 1095 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:02.760 cover names, basses named uh, secret station stations, the way 1096 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.399 they go about getting a di cryptic, the way they 1097 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:08.479 go about getting code names, what the covers were doing, 1098 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:11.119 who they were doing it for, and it's pretty wild 1099 01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.560 to see that stuff like laid bare in documents because 1100 01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:17.319 we've speculated about stuff. You you, you know, you look 1101 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.319 at documents that are redacted for years and researchers find things. 1102 01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:22.880 But to see it all kind of laid out like 1103 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:26.600 that is pretty is pretty crazy. There's no smoking gun 1104 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.920 in the thing so far, at least. I mean, you 1105 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:34.680 can imagine, you can imagine, you know, if you were 1106 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:37.880 a CIA, if you were there right for sixty years 1107 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:42.680 talking about how you know, it's not gonna you're gonna 1108 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.239 get rid of all the papers, right, all of those 1109 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.199 are going to go, the smoking gun papers. But there 1110 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:52.560 are wild things that come out of this, especially wiretaps 1111 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:58.319 and conversations with mob figures, which is is pretty insane. 1112 01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:00.479 There's a bunch of stuff with Sam g and Kanna 1113 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:05.920 Costello ZR Rifle. As mentioned, I ran the whole thing 1114 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:09.920 right when it came out through Chad GPT, which came 1115 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.439 up with some stuff. And it can't do like a 1116 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:14.640 live word search, but it can come up with stuff, 1117 01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:17.039 and I ran a bunch of names through it. Frank 1118 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:19.279 Sturgis appears a bunch of times, you know, I look 1119 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:22.640 for Howard Hunt, the usual sort of suspects, and there 1120 01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:26.119 are a bunch of documents about looking into and investigating, 1121 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:31.119 you know, allegations of those guys being the shoeless bums 1122 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:35.560 at the event. Looked up George H. W. Bush, Sapata, 1123 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:43.039 ZR Rifle, MH chaos, you know, words, words that you're 1124 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:46.039 usually associated with all this stuff. And one of the 1125 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:50.359 wild things is that there's a document that defines all 1126 01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:53.960 of the the two letter cryptic symbols, the MH like, 1127 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.199 for instance, MH chaos. They admit to MH chaos and 1128 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:03.159 running domestic operation around the time of co Intel prou 1129 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.279 There's a whole thing. There's a whole bunch of Watergate documents. 1130 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:11.119 There's one document that talks about how the plumbers, the 1131 01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:14.439 White House plumbers, if they get caught, this will happen. 1132 01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:18.920 If they don't get caught, then then we've succeeded. And 1133 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.680 then there's a there's one paragraph that talks about how 1134 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:27.039 Nixon is going to blame the intelligence community, and so 1135 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:28.319 this is what we have to do, and we have 1136 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:31.000 to counteract this by running stories through Time magazine. Time 1137 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.159 magazines mentioned a lot Henry Luce, of course, that's their 1138 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:39.039 main arm. Mockingbird is mentioned, not not really by name, 1139 01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:42.680 but the actions of it. A bunch of times. ZR rifle. 1140 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:47.159 If anybody knows, ZR rifle is the code for assassination. 1141 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.199 And there is so much in this about the plans 1142 01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:54.640 for assassination of Castro. It's which is is pretty wild. 1143 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:59.039 It's just right there. I just recently covered Sidney Gottlieb, 1144 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:06.319 the poisoner in chief of CIA, and he's mentioned numerous times, 1145 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:11.039 especially with regard to devising and you know, coming up 1146 01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:15.000 with the poison to to get rid of Castro. There's 1147 01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:17.720 one particular thing that came across which is the wildest thing. 1148 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.000 And I found this by searching Frank Sturgis. And this 1149 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:25.239 is like a seven hundred page miscellaney from the Church 1150 01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:29.640 Committee hearings on assassination and in it there's a there's 1151 01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:33.479 a lot of stuff, but in it around page six 1152 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:37.479 forty seven. If anybody's interested, you can just search through it. 1153 01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:40.399 Search for Frank Sturgies, find the miscellany for the comm 1154 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:44.000 Church Committee hearings and on around page six forty seven. 1155 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.319 I found this because I was spurging rabbit holding through 1156 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:50.560 the entire document. There is a whole a whole segment 1157 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.800 with a narrative talking about the cooperation between CIA and 1158 01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:59.439 Johnny Roselli, Sam G and Conna, how sam G and 1159 01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.760 Kanna plan to carry the poison down to Cuba to 1160 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:07.960 get Castro. Let's see ZR Rifle is mentioned here. It 1161 01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:14.439 says they talk about let's see executive action capability. Harvey 1162 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.520 says Missel Richard Bisseol told him to include Cuba in 1163 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:20.239 ZR Rifle the program to take over SINDI get connection. 1164 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.640 Roselli's knowledge of either of these dates ZR Rifle and 1165 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:29.000 Castro assassination plans synonymous. And I'll just end with this. 1166 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.920 I think that the weirdest takeaway from this whole giant 1167 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:38.600 release is the fact that I recently covered the Final 1168 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.079 what was it called Twin Peaks book, the Final Dossier, 1169 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:43.960 And the thing that annoyed me about the book is 1170 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.199 that it's a fictional book about an FBI investigation into 1171 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.920 the town of Twin Peaks. And there's like a weird 1172 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:52.960 narrative in the book from the agent who's doing it. 1173 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:57.359 But this set of documents, this whole thing has like 1174 01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:01.319 a weird narrative to it. There takes opinion, there's like 1175 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:05.279 subjective stuff, there's there's rumor, innuendo, gossip. Oh, we can't 1176 01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:07.600 get this guy because he's kind of a crackpot, but 1177 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:10.279 we'll see what he does. We followed him to the 1178 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:12.720 house where his wife was cheating on him. She's you know, 1179 01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:17.399 she's you know. It's weird to see that in documents that, 1180 01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:21.720 because they've always been redacted, have come across as like 1181 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:26.479 technical documents with codes. But there's a whole bunch of 1182 01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:28.920 stuff in this that's like, it reads like a narrative 1183 01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:33.359 with these people talking to each other in secret, and 1184 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.720 if anyone's interested in stuff that, there's so much of 1185 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:40.319 course that deals with the entire event. But I'll say this, 1186 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:43.319 probably the best and most truthful angle on this whole 1187 01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:46.840 thing was this book by Don Delio Don DeLillo. It's 1188 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.399 called Libra, and this is a work of postmodern fiction. 1189 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:55.239 It's a lauded, well known novel, and it covers basically 1190 01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:58.560 a fictional guy who's responsible for going through the documents 1191 01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:04.399 and declassification in the eighties, and basically what he comes 1192 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:07.119 to find is that the thing is so convoluted that 1193 01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:11.720 it ends up being what James Angleton called a wilderness 1194 01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:15.479 of mirrors, and that there's you you cannot make your 1195 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.039 way through it, and it's sort of by design and 1196 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.680 it becomes just a datas view. The other one is 1197 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:23.680 this classic, this classic. This is one of the first 1198 01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.920 things I read on JFK. This classic book of course 1199 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.600 by Mark Lane. I'm sure people have read this, Mark 1200 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:32.840 Lane's Plausible Denial. Pretty you know, this is a good 1201 01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:35.079 classic book on the assassination. We'll see how well that 1202 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:41.680 holds up now. And then finally this book, which doesn't 1203 01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:43.880 seem to be related but is. This is a biography 1204 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:48.319 of Khruse Jeff And this is important because it talks 1205 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:51.079 about the relationship the Kruse Chef and Kennedy had because 1206 01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:54.239 he was you know, they were they were they they 1207 01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.119 were the opposing sides during the human missile crisis, et cetera. 1208 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:02.920 And the documents kind of they're weird because it shows 1209 01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:06.119 how cia, how much they knew about Oswald code named 1210 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.159 I guess Alvarez. I guess that was his code word 1211 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.720 that they gave him. But leading up to this, I mean, 1212 01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:15.000 all through Soviet Union, his travels, memos back and forth, 1213 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:22.439 cables from the various bases, and and all this diplomatic 1214 01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:26.079 stuff going on about Oswald, and they knew all about him. 1215 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.000 There's a document that shows they gave twenty five thousand 1216 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.680 dollars to fair Play for Cuba. All the anti Castro 1217 01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:37.960 Cuban stuff, Brigade twenty five oh six, Sturgis Howard Hunt, 1218 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:41.000 all this stuff is in there. And the thing about 1219 01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:43.920 kruse Chef that's weird is that when he heard that 1220 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.520 Kennedy died, according to this and according to the I 1221 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:51.640 guess the official history, of course, he wept. And apparently 1222 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.560 they say that that Castro did the same. And I 1223 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:57.680 think part of that, the part that's believable, would be 1224 01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:02.039 because they were in days at the time, and because 1225 01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:05.960 if they got to this guy in their own place, 1226 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:08.920 then what it means for them and the rest of 1227 01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:12.159 the powers that be I suppose, But who knows if 1228 01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:13.079 that's even true? 1229 01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:17.920 All right, Yeah, Mark, go ahead, Yeah. 1230 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.800 I got a question. Did you come across in the 1231 01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:28.359 current document dumb? And would you call? Also? I understand 1232 01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:30.720 that there's not much of it, if any of it 1233 01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:34.680 is annotated, there's not a lot of categorization. That it 1234 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.960 is kind of just a spew of data. Is that true? 1235 01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:42.479 But in addition, is there something in this latest data dump? 1236 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:44.800 There have been others in recent years about a Gary 1237 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:52.760 Underhill who said the CIA did it and was found suicided. 1238 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:56.960 I guess he was right handed, but they found a 1239 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:01.039 pistol wound behind his left ear. Is scary Underhill in 1240 01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:02.520 this latest data down. 1241 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.920 Yeah, he's mentioned and I came across that whole thing, like, 1242 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:09.560 I don't my chance. I guess because it's so massive. 1243 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.840 I mean, there's no way to search. There's a search bar, 1244 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.319 but you have to I guess you're searching document numbers, 1245 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:17.960 so there's no like word search, there's no index. It's 1246 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:23.680 like you said, it's just a giant spew. And the 1247 01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:26.279 the other releases, as far as I can remember, like 1248 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:28.399 haven't been like that. Or maybe that's because time is 1249 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.800 passed and you can search, you know, can name search 1250 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:34.079 and stuff. Underhill is mentioned a bunch of times. Is 1251 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.960 exactly as you said, he reported being in fear for 1252 01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.399 his life. Six months later he's on alived and they 1253 01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:45.399 it's called in the document, you know, an S side. 1254 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:47.439 A lot of the things. 1255 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.560 I think what's going to happen with a lot of 1256 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.720 these documents is that people are going to read them 1257 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:56.960 and assume that this proves a thing, but in fact 1258 01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:59.720 you're only looking at a document that shows that they 1259 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.399 investigated a thing, or that someone said or someone said 1260 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:06.039 to someone else, or that they've heard a lot of 1261 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:08.319 you know me, I'd say probably twenty percent of the 1262 01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:11.960 documents are just like photo copies of you know, mainstream 1263 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:15.960 articles about the thing. There's a whole like five page 1264 01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:17.760 set on you know, Frank Sturgis is going to be 1265 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:21.119 a guest on some talk show tonight, and here's what 1266 01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:22.760 he's probably going to say, and here's what we need 1267 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:23.840 to say to him beforehand. 1268 01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:28.600 I also talked I talked to a professor today that 1269 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:31.920 I mentioned, a David Denton. He said that there was 1270 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:35.439 a little bit of evidence, you know, pretty strong evidence, 1271 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:38.119 but not a lot of it, that the CIA was 1272 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.720 watching Mark Lane surveilling him. He was speaking in right 1273 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:46.479 after the events of sixty three in Switzerland, and there 1274 01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:49.840 was another author, and the CIA was concerned about authors 1275 01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:52.960 who were who were deeply exploring what the Warrant Commission 1276 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:56.880 refused to look into. So I guess supposedly that's part 1277 01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:00.000 of the new data dump, is that the CIA didn't 1278 01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:03.800 like these uh uh, these these inquirers, these authors that 1279 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.279 were digging deeper than the Commission was willing to go. 1280 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.319 I haven't come across that one, but I'm sure that 1281 01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:12.680 that's that's absolutely accurate. I mean, the the amount of 1282 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.279 mail tampering that it shows is like really incredible. With 1283 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:21.079 the you know, the the US Soviet male speaking of 1284 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.039 writers and who they went after. There's a whole list 1285 01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:26.960 of targets of you know, of subversive people, famous people 1286 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:30.279 that are on their radar, including like Norman Mailers on there, 1287 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:32.720 a bunch of people that you would already assume are 1288 01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:34.199 on there, but it was it was weird that Norman 1289 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:35.680 Mailer was like at the top of this list. 1290 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:37.479 And this is. 1291 01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.800 That that particular document is from early on, like well 1292 01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.800 before you know, hippie uh protest stuff. This is like 1293 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:50.279 early sixties lists of subversives, subversives and who to watch. 1294 01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:53.159 Let me let me ask you this. I know there's 1295 01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:55.439 a lot to look at and and what I heard 1296 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.319 from Professor Denton, by the way, is there's gonna be 1297 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:01.359 an effort to put a search search function on this, 1298 01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:03.479 and they're supposedly going to be an effort to make 1299 01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:07.039 it more organized and categorized, just so you know. But 1300 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:11.039 what he said and what I'm what you seem to 1301 01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:14.079 be saying, is there's not a lot that's directly about 1302 01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:18.960 JFK and the assassination quote unquote, that a lot of 1303 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:22.880 it is more of a broad brush about other goings 1304 01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:27.880 on in the sixties, maybe MLK and the Vietnam War, 1305 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:32.199 of various communiques and correspondence, but not all of it, 1306 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:35.199 or at least not most of it even pertaining directly 1307 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:39.159 to JFK and the events in Dallas. And that's always 1308 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:43.039 been a complaint or a concern, is that the Intel 1309 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:47.199 agencies are just throwing us another bone. They're giving us 1310 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:51.039 huge quantities of info, but not a lot of qualitative value. 1311 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.079 And we still don't have the riddle solved that here 1312 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:58.880 a lot of those kind of refrains, and are we 1313 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:00.800 getting more of the same. Is this going to be 1314 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.680 another data dump where we end up right back where 1315 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:08.720 we started, not knowing the full or at least sufficiently 1316 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:12.199 full answers as to what happened in Dallas. 1317 01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:17.199 Well, I think that it's clear, you know, if you 1318 01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:19.760 look at this stuff, just you know, you start scanning stuff. 1319 01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:22.039 After about an hour, it's clear that you're not we're 1320 01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:24.520 not going to get a smoking gun statement. We're not 1321 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:26.920 going to get you know, we're not going to get 1322 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.680 like a cable from Dulles or something to Howard Hunt. 1323 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.359 It's like, good job on that thing in that place, 1324 01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:35.600 We're not going to get that, right. 1325 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:37.039 It is clear. 1326 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:42.039 It is clear that if anything uh CIA in particular 1327 01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:44.439 was up to a whole there's a whole bunch of 1328 01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:48.199 stuff that Again it's like we a lot of us 1329 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.279 already know all this stuff, or we got it from 1330 01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:52.840 reading books or you know, research into stuff, and you 1331 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:55.399 kind of put it together like a like a puzzle 1332 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:57.640 or a mosaic. But what's what I think is really 1333 01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:59.479 important is that there that a lot of that is 1334 01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:02.079 vindicated to like right there in front of you. It's 1335 01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:06.039 vindicates and official documents right there right for instance, a 1336 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:12.199 CIA mob cooperation right the mainstream narrative on that is like, na, no, 1337 01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:14.239 that's that's the conspiracy there, And it's like no, it's 1338 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:18.520 right there. There's the official memos, cables, agents talking to 1339 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.920 people there, wire taps from g ANDCANA, plans to assassinate council. 1340 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:23.520 It's all right there, all the stuff that people have 1341 01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:24.560 always said. So it's there. 1342 01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:30.119 There's like there's so much in it because it's all 1343 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:33.359 like in the JFK sphere and at the time, so 1344 01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.920 all of this other stuff pops up. Lammba's in there, CONGO, 1345 01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:42.800 British Intelligence, Vietnam LBJ. Some things that are not in 1346 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:46.840 there so far that I can find are any mention 1347 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:53.039 of Mac Wallace. Malcolm Wallace, who's lbj's supposed hitman, right 1348 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:56.600 hand man and supposedly one of the one of the 1349 01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:59.039 lists of shooters mentioned probably you know, they say he 1350 01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:03.079 was the one of the grass you know, but it 1351 01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.319 reiterates that the Church Committee hearings in nineteen seventy nine 1352 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:10.479 they found that it was possible that there was a 1353 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:13.520 conspiracy of some kind and that the shots from the 1354 01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:18.760 Grassy Knoll were probable because of the acoustic the acoustic 1355 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:21.600 experiments that they did, which count you know, that contradicts 1356 01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:26.239 the Warren Commission. There's a lot about the Warren Commission 1357 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:29.600 and how like bad, bad, or convoluted it was, or 1358 01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:33.079 the results from it, or how people were reacting. Also 1359 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:37.000 not mentioned, maybe James E. Files, who I've always kind 1360 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.560 of believed was the mob element. He supposedly was the 1361 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:46.439 Chicago outfit shooter from the overpass, which may be. But 1362 01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.640 if he, if he was, that guy. Then of course 1363 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:50.479 they've had sixty years to go, Oh this is on 1364 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:53.680 this paper, but bye, I'm not going to get that. 1365 01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:55.039 That would be the first thing you tread. 1366 01:25:55.279 --> 01:26:02.000 Yeah, all the good stuff. Again, good stuff's all been shredded, burned, deleted, magnetized, uh, 1367 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:04.199 obliterated in some way, shape or form. 1368 01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:06.960 Oh yeah, there's not there's not like a tweet from 1369 01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:08.800 LBJ that's like, you know, got his. 1370 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:13.119 Ass, Yeah, exactly, all right. So one of the go ahead, 1371 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:13.920 Infidel go ahead. 1372 01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:17.800 One of the things that that I opened just randomly, 1373 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:23.920 the lost few documents and the dump sequence, and all 1374 01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:27.319 of them were talking about Cuba. And I also noticed, 1375 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:30.800 like there's a lot of people talking about the differences 1376 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:34.439 to Cuba and how they some of the document tried 1377 01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:39.479 to frame Oswald as a Cuban slash USSR Acid. That's 1378 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:40.640 true from what you read. 1379 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:44.960 Yeah, there's a there's a ton about Cuba, most of 1380 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.880 it relating to a bay of pigs twenty five out 1381 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:52.880 of six brigade, And most of the Oswald stuff is 1382 01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:55.920 in the context of his activities in the Soviet Union, 1383 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:58.840 Like there's there's a whole there's a whole transcript of 1384 01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:01.119 a phone call from an embassy that I read that 1385 01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.760 was like it had it had Ivy and ev Inner 1386 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:09.680 interior voice, exterior voice, it was like inside voice. So 1387 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:13.640 the person is talking to Tough Oswald on the phone 1388 01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:15.640 at the embassy. They're like, yeah, he's here right now, 1389 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:18.800 and he says this, and he wants a passport. And 1390 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:20.680 then what they're supposed to say in response to that. 1391 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.680 Because it's like a live cable from you know, headquarters 1392 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:24.960 or whatever, there's. 1393 01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:25.279 A lot of that. 1394 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:27.800 There's a lot of like, oh, we you know, we 1395 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:29.960 tracked him to Mexico City. Then there's a bunch of 1396 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.600 stuff about people that came forward and said that they 1397 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:35.880 saw him in this place, in that place. George Mornshield 1398 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:41.199 is thoroughly gone through. He's the guy who like owls 1399 01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:44.720 to Oswald and apparently funded him. Mornshield is he's c 1400 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.199 I A. He's a CI connected guy. He's a businessman, 1401 01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:52.399 he's got he's an asset. But as far as like 1402 01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:55.720 Cuba goes, it's just fair play for Cuba. And and 1403 01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:57.800 and then as far as I can tell so far, 1404 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:02.119 operations that they were doing in Cuba prior to Oswald. 1405 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:06.000 I believe there's even like you mention that I've seen 1406 01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:13.079 the references to that that the US got some until beforehand, 1407 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:18.119 that Oswald was trying to kill him, right, that was 1408 01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:19.760 they were in Europe or something like that. 1409 01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:22.439 Yes, that's in there. 1410 01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:26.079 There's there are Soviet cables in Russian and then translated 1411 01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:30.239 about Oswald and his apparent intentions. One of the things 1412 01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:33.159 that I always forget, which comes out in this Libra 1413 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:36.920 book is the fact that Oswald attempted an assassination a 1414 01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.199 week beforehand. I forget who it was on. It was 1415 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:44.520 on it one Wallace, it was on I think a 1416 01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:47.880 general same. I remember I was talking about Edwin Walker, 1417 01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.319 that the guy shot at a week like a week prior. 1418 01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:55.800 Military man, Yeah Walker, yeah right, Yeah, who was affiliated 1419 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:58.680 with the John Birch Society, one of the right wing 1420 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.359 groups that allegedly had it out for Kennedy because he 1421 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:07.439 was too pro un supposedly pro Communist. 1422 01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:10.560 One of the things an observation someone made that was 1423 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:15.199 real quick that was interesting was it's interesting that Oswald 1424 01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:21.439 not shooting at a moving target missed Walker, but shooting 1425 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:24.800 at a moving target supposedly hit Kennedy. That was an 1426 01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:26.600 interesting observation I heard once. 1427 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.399 Yeah, moving target sharpshooter from an upward angle. Right sharpshooter 1428 01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:33.279 one day, can't hit the broadside of a barn next. 1429 01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.600 Okay, yeah, I won't make too much of that, but 1430 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:38.560 it's an interesting observation. 1431 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:44.279 To seem like the guy that shot out Trump right, yeah, yeah, 1432 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:46.680 so so Mark you mentioned when you were talking, right, 1433 01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:51.279 you just you said, yeah, that's also not the driver, 1434 01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:55.319 because I know that this was alternative theory, that all 1435 01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:58.880 what we've seen like are not the two images and 1436 01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:03.119 actually he was actually should by the driver, Like, what's 1437 01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:04.000 the deal with this one? 1438 01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:09.760 Well, to explain that if the driver would have done it, 1439 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:18.199 then you would you would have had the wound. I 1440 01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:20.560 think the film would have caught the bullet going in 1441 01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:23.119 the front and coming out the back, but instead the 1442 01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:28.680 back of his head remained intact, and the angle to 1443 01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:34.880 achieve what the body in trauma room won actually showed. 1444 01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:39.880 The angle just wasn't right for that. And so I'm 1445 01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:44.039 looking at it as precisely as you can. Again, it 1446 01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:49.239 comes back to for that to happen, for the body 1447 01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:52.960 in the trauma room to possess wounds, the theme rider 1448 01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.399 in the car could not have could not have sustained 1449 01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:59.319 or could not have received. Then you're dealing with more 1450 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:03.840 than one per and logically as difficult as it is 1451 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:09.000 to conceive in a way, but I always thought that 1452 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:12.199 that was, you know, just kind of a diversion away 1453 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:19.159 from what ultimately really happened. The thing about Brian's theory 1454 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:23.479 that I helped him with is, even though it's a 1455 01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:27.319 lot to swallow, it does take you somewhere. It gets 1456 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:30.279 you to kind of a fresh plateau where you can 1457 01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:34.000 begin to look at the event outside of the parameters 1458 01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:36.600 that we've been given. And so even if you don't 1459 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:39.600 agree with what I'm saying, what I do ask is 1460 01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:43.279 that you consider the fresh perspective that it gives you. 1461 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:47.119 Wait a minute, maybe it wasn't at all what we 1462 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:49.840 were told. Let me think about this. And what I 1463 01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:52.920 tell people in live audiences when I talk about this 1464 01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:57.399 is don't give me an immediate response. Necessarily, take the 1465 01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:00.479 time to think about it. Take the time to think 1466 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:05.079 of this whole thing through a different lens. Sleep on it, 1467 01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:09.119 you know, consider it, ponder it. Email me later with 1468 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:12.359 your questions or your comments. You know, because you have 1469 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:16.039 to deprogram, at least to a limited degree to even 1470 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:18.720 make room in your mind to even consider this, even 1471 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:22.119 if you don't fully accept it, you got to push 1472 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:24.520 the programming to the side a little bit and allow 1473 01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:29.520 it in. It's a paradigm shift. And if you will, 1474 01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:33.920 Brian show, there's a couple additional photos I sent. Are 1475 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:37.439 those accessible? 1476 01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:40.000 We'll find out. Let's see. 1477 01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:44.960 I sent two. Once I look through the PowerPoint that 1478 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:50.079 I'm updating from the last live presentation, I realized there 1479 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:54.920 was one or two more. Okay, here we go. Now 1480 01:32:54.960 --> 01:33:01.760 this is on the feeder road coming off of Stemmen's 1481 01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:07.039 Freeway en route to Parkland Hospital. The arrow shows where 1482 01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:10.760 the left foot of a person is sticking out. Now 1483 01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:15.000 that's Clint Hill. Now you'll notice that Clint Hill is 1484 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:18.960 standing with both feet on the back seat. And look 1485 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:23.920 at how far down his legs go. Okay, is he 1486 01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:29.439 standing on the seat that Jackie and Jackie and John 1487 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:34.319 Kennedy were sitting on with He's almost He's almost down 1488 01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:38.039 to his privates there, he's upper thigh deep in there. 1489 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:41.399 So ask yourself this question. Is he standing on the 1490 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:44.359 surface of the seat they were sitting on, or is 1491 01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:48.960 he standing in a opening made by flipping the seat 1492 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:52.279 forward or something to that effect. His legs are very 1493 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:55.399 deep in there, and that is not his foot. He 1494 01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:59.640 would have to be a contortionist. Now, if Kennedy were 1495 01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:03.199 hit in the head with a high powered rifle bullet, 1496 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:09.920 would he be physically pliable enough after having slouched to 1497 01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:14.319 his left and reportedly falling onto Jackie's lap? Would he 1498 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:18.560 have been in any kind of physical shape to stretch 1499 01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:21.800 out his left foot and have it come over the 1500 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:26.920 edge of the car like that. Brian felt that that's 1501 01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.479 when they what you're looking at there is when they're 1502 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:33.560 doing the body switch, and so the left foot is 1503 01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:38.079 protruding out there. Is that Kennedy's foot? And it could 1504 01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:41.159 be because we're saying he wasn't actually fatally shot in 1505 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:45.920 the head, or is that the imposter's foot as he's 1506 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.039 being put into position. We don't know. But the other 1507 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:53.600 photo I sent is also extremely intriguing, and it came 1508 01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:59.000 from some JFK researchers, a huge photo collection I believe 1509 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:04.039 associated with a j lancer group. It's not that here 1510 01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:08.680 we go. This is very very interesting. Apparently somebody took 1511 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:15.439 this from an overpass looking down at the car. Clint 1512 01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:20.359 Hill never testified being in that kind of body position 1513 01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.840 where he's laying flat with his leg sticking out along 1514 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:27.399 the back along the top of the back seat of 1515 01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:30.399 the car where the trunk, top of the trunk meets 1516 01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:35.239 the back seat. And in my opinion, the body of 1517 01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:38.880 that person right there does not look like the stocky 1518 01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:43.680 Clint Hill. It looks like a more Langley or willowy person. 1519 01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:49.439 Either JFK or the looklike this might have only been 1520 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:53.439 for an instant, but isn't that curious. Clint Hill said 1521 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.600 that he was hanging onto the car, you know, in 1522 01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:59.840 the conventional position that we've seen him in where he 1523 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.279 kind of had one leg out and one leg in 1524 01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:04.800 the back seat and he was kind of clutching the car. 1525 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:09.840 This is not from Brian's work directly. This is a 1526 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:14.960 photo that I found in this collection from I believe 1527 01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:17.640 it's the JFK L Answer group or somebody that is 1528 01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:21.720 associated with them. And I cannot do a positive idea 1529 01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:25.119 on idea on what this photo is, but it's very curious. 1530 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:28.600 In my opinion, it doesn't look like Clint Hill. And 1531 01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:31.760 in my opinion, it's the same body that had that 1532 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:36.600 foot protruding out in that other photo. This would appear 1533 01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:41.399 to be and I'm stressing the word appear a little 1534 01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:44.560 bit of photographic evidence that they were moving bodies around, 1535 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:50.399 but it's inconclusive. I'm always very careful about these things. 1536 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:53.720 I'm going to call it inconclusive, but it's certainly intriguing. 1537 01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:00.920 It certainly isn't any sort of tactical or defense position, 1538 01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:03.600 either of those. If that foot was to have been 1539 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:07.279 Clint in that first picture we looked at there, that 1540 01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:10.239 doesn't make any sense. You know, that's not a place 1541 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:13.680 you can maneuver to protect someone with. It's not a 1542 01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:16.920 place you can rotate easily with, you know, if you 1543 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:19.600 have to defend yourself or get quickly out of you're 1544 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:24.039 essentially he'd be wedging his leg into that like corner 1545 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:26.760 nook of the car right there. That doesn't make any 1546 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:29.600 sense why you would contort yourself like that if you 1547 01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.199 were doing your job as secret service and hopping to 1548 01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:37.199 to a tactical defensive position like that. And the only 1549 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:39.439 thing you could say about that second one we looked 1550 01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:43.239 at is yeah, maybe that's him, you know, being a 1551 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:46.119 human shield. But that's not even the best way to 1552 01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:48.279 do that, And that's not a natural way to do that. 1553 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:52.479 After having climbed, you know, into or onto the back 1554 01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:54.920 of the car the way that he did, so that 1555 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:59.399 that picture is very curious. And I'm also I was 1556 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:02.319 queuing in on what's going on on the back of 1557 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:08.640 this guy's jacket here? Is that just wind, you know, 1558 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:12.319 blowing through it? It almost looks like there's a I 1559 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.199 don't know, that jacket looks unnatural to me for some reason. 1560 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:15.439 There. 1561 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.319 Yeah, I would guess it's maybe wind. And again I 1562 01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:23.520 believe it's not a sharp photo, but my instincts and 1563 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.199 my eyes tell me it's someone that's more willowy and 1564 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:35.640 taller than the rather relatively stocky Clint Hill. And if 1565 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:41.159 it was the body that was shot quasi fatally for 1566 01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:45.319 the switch to take place, logically speaking purely logic here, 1567 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:48.880 that person wouldn't have the strength to hang onto the car, 1568 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:54.000 so by process of elimination, that body would be that 1569 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:58.560 of Kennedy, very much alive, hanging on while the switch 1570 01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:04.199 is taking place. I'm extrapolating, and I'm using only logic again, 1571 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:07.399 that the actual photo is inconclusive and it's not sharp, 1572 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:13.319 So it's guesswork is what I'm engaging in. But logically, 1573 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:17.800 someone weakened practically to the point of death by a bullet. 1574 01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:22.640 You wouldn't stick them out there momentarily. Someone put out 1575 01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:24.960 there would be someone who has the ability to hang 1576 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.439 on until they are put where they need to go. 1577 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:34.600 And so that's sort of through the looking glass that 1578 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:37.560 I'm extrapolating on what Brian did. Again, this is not 1579 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:42.680 directly a part of Brian David Anderson's work that I, 1580 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:47.479 again assisted with. It wasn't my work in a major sense. 1581 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:52.359 I worked on certain elements of it, and again we 1582 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:54.840 had some very interesting experiences. But I wanted to get 1583 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:58.079 those photos in there because it shows at least the 1584 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:00.479 suggestion that there was something going on on in that 1585 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:05.199 backseat that was rather unusual. 1586 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:08.520 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, let me go to Rucus and then 1587 01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.720 I got some from the audience. I want to throw 1588 01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:12.560 you guys his way. Uh ruckus. 1589 01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:15.199 What do you think you got that Scully audio for me? 1590 01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:21.000 Always dude? Yeah, you know, I got that one set 1591 01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:21.560 up somewhere. 1592 01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:22.760 I've had my fair. 1593 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:25.560 Share about righteous conspiracy theories. Okay, so cut the mystery 1594 01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:30.359 crap and get to the science. Okay, So thank you. Yeah, 1595 01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:32.000 I'm going to play the skeptic on this one. This 1596 01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:35.039 seems like quite the complicated plot. Just to do a 1597 01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.560 body swap when I already heard when I've already heard 1598 01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:41.319 the body swap theory by I was trying the hardest 1599 01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:43.800 to remember who it was. At first I thought it 1600 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.319 was Richard Belzer, you know, the actor from Law and 1601 01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:48.920 Order SVU. He's written a number of books about JFK. 1602 01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:51.880 I didn't read his main books about JFK, but one 1603 01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:53.920 of his books was about a bunch of conspiracy theories. 1604 01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:58.079 I think you had misquoting this bigfoot UFOs aliens and 1605 01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:00.920 JFK conspiracies. You don't have to be crazy to believe 1606 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:02.840 or something like that, like one of these books, right, 1607 01:41:03.079 --> 01:41:05.239 And in the JFK section, I could have swore it 1608 01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:07.039 was his book, but it might have been somebody else's. 1609 01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:09.119 So I was reading a bunch of books about this 1610 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:11.319 at the time, but I'd heard this body switch theory. 1611 01:41:11.359 --> 01:41:13.239 And they even named the person who could have been 1612 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:15.760 very well the victim, and he was a dead ringer 1613 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:19.680 for JFK and he was killed that same day, so 1614 01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:22.199 it was like but it was like a separate incident, 1615 01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:26.119 like an outside mugging slash murder killing. So I've already 1616 01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:29.399 been hip to this idea that it wasn't that. I 1617 01:41:29.439 --> 01:41:31.600 believe the body switch theory is what I'm telling you 1618 01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:35.079 for other reasons, but for them to have done the 1619 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:38.520 murdering while so you're saying that they killed this guy 1620 01:41:38.640 --> 01:41:41.359 in the trunk of the car and the secret compartment 1621 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:44.439 and enrolled like it seems like too much that could 1622 01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:46.640 go wrong that people could see. I mean, there were 1623 01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:48.119 a lot of people out there. There were a lot 1624 01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:51.000 of cameras that day. They even had the video camera. 1625 01:41:51.039 --> 01:41:52.880 People were out there that day. So I just I 1626 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:54.560 don't see how they would think that they could get 1627 01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:56.680 away with that kind of a thing, a live switch, 1628 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.560 when they wouldn't have to, because there's lots of theories that, 1629 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:01.800 you know, just the switch could have happened at you know, 1630 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:04.560 the airport, and there was a time where there was 1631 01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:07.479 only like nobody saw what happens. There could have been 1632 01:42:07.479 --> 01:42:09.760 a switch then. I do remember also lots of people 1633 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:12.800 saying that Jackie famously made the comment that that's not 1634 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:16.239 jack when she saw the body. So even she said 1635 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:19.159 that's not him, you know what I mean, right, I 1636 01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:22.239 don't I'm not sure I'm one hundred percent on board 1637 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.279 the fact that they did the switch inside the car 1638 01:42:24.399 --> 01:42:26.119 that's very strange. And I don't know what to make 1639 01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:28.520 of all these fuzzy pictures with the foot hanging out. 1640 01:42:28.840 --> 01:42:31.760 I mean when when when when the ship hits the fan, 1641 01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:34.560 we all act and do and look weird. I mean, 1642 01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:38.000 you catch all these photos of people like they got 1643 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:40.479 the weird looks on there, the things like that happen, 1644 01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:43.239 and these are really old photographs. So I just I'm 1645 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:47.079 very curious. I mean, you're suggesting that you and or 1646 01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:49.119 this gentleman came up with this theory Jason, just by 1647 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:50.640 looking at the evidence and you said, oh, you know what, 1648 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:52.399 that looks like they're switching a body in the trunk 1649 01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:54.319 or did he have some reason to go there? 1650 01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:02.239 He he had met Linda, a lady named Linda Goodman, 1651 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:06.199 who had told him, uh, you know, to look at 1652 01:43:06.239 --> 01:43:08.760 it in kind of in the way that he did. 1653 01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:15.319 And if you watch the documentary, it kind of gives 1654 01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:19.600 you a better idea from whence this came and and 1655 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:23.760 and substantiates and and explains things a little more completely. 1656 01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:26.960 Whenever you explain it verbally off the cuff, it gets 1657 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:32.760 a little fragmented. It uh. And and I'm familiar with 1658 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.960 what you're talking about. There are these other scenarios where 1659 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:38.800 other switches or a switch could have taken place at 1660 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:43.039 other points in time, and I've never totally discounted those. 1661 01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:46.319 There's there's even been one theory that I heard that 1662 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:51.239 knowing that most presidents have a look alike on purpose, 1663 01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:56.039 uh to use as a decoy in certain situations that 1664 01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:59.079 might require that they say. 1665 01:43:58.319 --> 01:44:01.159 Ever talked about that, I believe in this context. 1666 01:44:01.239 --> 01:44:05.479 Yeah, they say that, going back to at least Ulysses S. Grant, 1667 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:12.600 most presidents have had ringers intentionally made, you might say, 1668 01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:15.279 if that's the right word, in case they ever needed 1669 01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:18.800 to do some sort of diversion. And one of the 1670 01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:23.039 theories I heard was that the JFK ringer was the 1671 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:25.880 guy in the motorcade, that that wasn't the real JFK 1672 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:30.760 throughout the entire motorcade. There's problems with that one too. 1673 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:34.880 I'm just simply saying that's another view that I've heard, 1674 01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:42.079 but it's a bit of a leap of logic, there's 1675 01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:45.760 no doubt about it. And I said some of the 1676 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.520 same things to Brian. You know that you're getting a 1677 01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:51.520 little imaginative here, You're getting a little loose here, a 1678 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:55.359 little loose there. But he had a passion for this thing, 1679 01:44:56.119 --> 01:44:58.680 and I didn't want to be a censor. I didn't 1680 01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:02.079 want to be someone that would frustrate his message from 1681 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:05.439 getting out or prevent it from getting out. So I 1682 01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:09.319 tried to keep him honest and just let the story 1683 01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:14.079 be told in the interest of free speech basically, And 1684 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:16.760 so that that's where I came down on it, is 1685 01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:21.840 that he's the researcher. I'm the reporter, but as a reporter, 1686 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:26.159 I'm not necessarily both feed on this thing. But again, 1687 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:30.720 it does open up a perspective that's been denied to 1688 01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:33.760 us that at least, if it's not the answer, it 1689 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:36.600 could at least lead us to the answer, you know. 1690 01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:40.319 An And to be fair, considering the time period, this 1691 01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:44.840 was in the sixties, late sixties, actually people were the CIA. 1692 01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:48.079 They were obsessed with gadgets. So I would I guess 1693 01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:50.920 I wouldn't put it past the CIA to try something 1694 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:53.079 like this, thinking that, oh, yeah, this is a this 1695 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:56.000 is a fail proof system, like because they're in this 1696 01:45:56.079 --> 01:45:59.560 all sorts of weird stuff like heart attack, guns and gims, 1697 01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:02.439 weird weird shit back then, like all of the inspiration 1698 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:04.680 for the spot look at James Bond novels and the 1699 01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:07.520 Spy Tech And who is the guy that I almost 1700 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.319 said Q? Was a Q? 1701 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:08.840 I think? 1702 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.039 Or yeah? It was cute right that made the thank you. 1703 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:13.399 I can't believe I just said Q on air. 1704 01:46:13.880 --> 01:46:14.920 Think of the other Q. 1705 01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:18.159 But yeah, so, I guess I wouldn't put it past 1706 01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:20.680 the CIA to use some sort of gadgetry. In fact, 1707 01:46:20.359 --> 01:46:22.800 I know a person in real life who swears up 1708 01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:25.840 and down he had seen the actual vehicle and that 1709 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:29.600 he was shown that there was a secret dashboard gun, 1710 01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.079 that there was some sort of device in the in 1711 01:46:32.159 --> 01:46:35.760 the front seat dashboard area. And maybe maybe that's true, 1712 01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:38.319 Maybe that's involved with Maybe maybe what they use wasn't 1713 01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:40.239 necessarily a squid. If they shot the dude in the 1714 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.439 head with a paintball or something crazy, you know, who 1715 01:46:42.439 --> 01:46:44.840 the hell knows what they did. So I'm not discounting 1716 01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:47.760 the theory at all. I'm just I that's pretty brazen 1717 01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:50.079 to do it right there in front of everybody in public, 1718 01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:52.399 knowing that something could go wrong, is all I'm suggesting 1719 01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:53.239 it is. 1720 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:56.680 The One thing I'll say about the cameras is that 1721 01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:01.039 there may have been a number of camund but it's 1722 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:03.039 not like now, there's no way they could do it 1723 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:11.199 now because of this. Yeah, so relative, it was relatively 1724 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:12.760 comparatively primitive. 1725 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:13.000 Then. 1726 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:18.920 Cameras were not always real high resolution. The cheap ones 1727 01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.279 you know instematics, all these different things were not very 1728 01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:26.520 good for you know, fast moving objects or whatnot. You'd 1729 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:28.399 have to spend a lot of money to have something 1730 01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:33.399 that could really catch something like that. The Bell and 1731 01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:37.000 Howe camera used for the Z film had its limitations. 1732 01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:42.680 And I think the biggest thing is Dino BRUGIONI talking 1733 01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:45.920 to Doug Horn about the film modification in the lab. 1734 01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:49.960 That's what I have focused on a lot over the years. 1735 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:53.439 And I met Doug Horn in twenty fourteen. I talked 1736 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:57.479 to him at length, and he doesn't know anything about 1737 01:47:57.720 --> 01:47:59.800 what Brian and I worked on, and that was in 1738 01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:03.279 I didn't want to think I was trying to, you know, 1739 01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:07.520 use him as some sort of way to prove what 1740 01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:11.279 I'm doing. That wouldn't be fair to him. But nevertheless, 1741 01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:15.159 what he did research does happen to explain a lot 1742 01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:18.920 of things that helped support what Brian did that I 1743 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:23.640 helped Brian with. You wouldn't doctor the film that way 1744 01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:27.000 to that extent. In that manner unless you were doing 1745 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:32.399 something pretty dramatic. You were pulling off a pretty big deception. 1746 01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:37.800 And yeah, you're right though it's brazen. It's absolutely balls 1747 01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:39.840 to the wall if this is what they really did. 1748 01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:45.439 But I wouldn't put it past them. You know, Ian Fleming, 1749 01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:47.840 who wrote to James Bond novels was m I five 1750 01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:51.199 or six, I believe, And you know they say that 1751 01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:53.680 a lot of that came out of reality, although there's 1752 01:48:53.720 --> 01:49:00.960 obviously some poetic license. But you know, the the quality 1753 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:03.079 of a mask that they can put on a person. 1754 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:05.399 You know, they could put a mask on me and 1755 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:07.520 I would look just like Brian or just like. 1756 01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:09.319 You or Joe Biden. 1757 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:14.680 Yeah, I'm also curious has anyone making made the effort 1758 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:18.000 in this line of thinking to say, examine the evidence 1759 01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:20.920 of the car itself by like, okay, this is this 1760 01:49:21.039 --> 01:49:21.960 your model car. 1761 01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:25.399 It reupholstered it and put it back into the driver pool. 1762 01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:26.880 If I recall quickly. 1763 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:28.920 Okay, but I mean, but like, looking at the video 1764 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:30.760 that we do have, you would be able to tell 1765 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:34.079 some smart engineer should be able to tell, Okay, that 1766 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:36.479 car looks like it's it's a little too low to 1767 01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:38.479 the ground to be having only the four or the 1768 01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:41.079 five people that were in the car. Maybe there's a 1769 01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:43.039 case to be made. Oh, this looks like there's two 1770 01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.880 extra people in this car somewhere because it's the weight. 1771 01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:48.199 So you know what I mean, there might be some 1772 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.479 scientific way to pursue that, you know, line of thinking. 1773 01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:55.319 I think you've convinced Ruckus Mark he's he's already investigating here, 1774 01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:56.479 so we may have a car. 1775 01:49:56.600 --> 01:49:59.800 Well, it's not my it's not my intent to convince 1776 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:03.359 some much as to inform and let people make up 1777 01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:06.960 their own minds. It's a tough thing. It's so brazen 1778 01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:10.880 that again you wonder why they would try something so complicated. 1779 01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:15.840 But then again, you know, to try and get inside 1780 01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:19.279 the mind of a super spy agency, you know, we 1781 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:22.960 we mere mortals quote unquote, would have a tough time 1782 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:29.239 doing that. It it's hard to imagine that kind of thinking, 1783 01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:31.960 that kind of mindset, but I think it does exist. 1784 01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:34.960 Yeah, especially if you have endless money and really smart people. 1785 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:39.520 Awake Jake in our Boiler Room discord Chat says this 1786 01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:43.720 was also the era of magicians and magic tricks, where 1787 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.479 it was legendary. I could see with some sleight of 1788 01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:50.159 hand with some trap doors in a trunk. 1789 01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:53.720 So well, don't forget the Zambruder film itself, you know, 1790 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:56.039 was People now tend to think that like this happened 1791 01:50:56.039 --> 01:50:59.960 live on television, but it didn't. The Zapruder film wasn't 1792 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:04.520 shown publicly until nineteen seventy five by Heraldo and that 1793 01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:06.920 the dude from Saturday Night Live of all places, on 1794 01:51:07.039 --> 01:51:10.319 Good Night America, So it took a long time for 1795 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:13.039 people to even know about the film. And the film 1796 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:17.199 itself has always been kind of sketchy to me because it's, 1797 01:51:17.479 --> 01:51:20.720 like you said, it looks this one guy's filming the thing, 1798 01:51:20.760 --> 01:51:25.039 the guy with the random black umbrella, the guy, the 1799 01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:28.239 badge guy. There's a whole bunch of things around the 1800 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:32.319 thing that are definitely totally weird. But it's also important, 1801 01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:34.880 like with the context that all the assassinations that took 1802 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:37.319 place afterwards and the ones right before it, like the 1803 01:51:37.960 --> 01:51:41.920 premiere of South Vietnam, the DM guy right he had 1804 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:44.640 just been assassinated, Kennedy had just found out about that 1805 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:47.640 the Vietnam War was like on the Precipice. The thing 1806 01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:51.319 went into full effect right afterwards with LBJ and then 1807 01:51:51.399 --> 01:51:56.600 de gall the attempted assassination of degall the multiple things 1808 01:51:56.640 --> 01:51:59.119 on Castro again, that was Gottlieb. He was the Q 1809 01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:03.720 character who came up with all this stuff LAMMBA, RFK, MLK. 1810 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:08.199 Malcolm acts like the series of all of these destabilizing things. 1811 01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:12.880 One more thing, speaking of MLK, there's a weird thing 1812 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.359 in the in the document I came across about James 1813 01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:20.520 Earl Ray, who I've always assumed, I guess I thought 1814 01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:22.680 the take on him, that's sort of you know, the 1815 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:24.880 media take on him was that he was a lone nut, 1816 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:29.359 you know, dumb ass, redneck guy who hated MLK and 1817 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:30.840 took a shot at him, and that's it. That's the 1818 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:32.279 end of the story. That's the kind of the way 1819 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:35.319 that they sort of portray it. But there are all 1820 01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:38.159 these cables about, you know, James Earl Ray was his 1821 01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:40.880 military experience. Here's what he was doing on this date. 1822 01:52:41.680 --> 01:52:45.520 He was in Brussels right beforehand. He's caught in Portugal 1823 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:46.840 immediately after the assassination. 1824 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.439 I didn't know that. I didn't know he was. He 1825 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:50.840 was caught in. 1826 01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:55.960 Lisbon after the assassination of MLK. So there's not only 1827 01:52:56.039 --> 01:52:59.560 the lone nut, you know, BS with Oswald, but there's 1828 01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:01.399 there other people tied in with this thing. 1829 01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:07.199 Yeah, good point. I mean, I think I know how 1830 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:09.479 to make this come full circle and we'll get there. 1831 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:12.520 But I think one of the most important takeaways, regardless 1832 01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:16.920 of what you think of the concepts presented here tonight, 1833 01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:22.439 and I do recommend you watch the film. It's a 1834 01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:24.319 bit of an older film now, but it's up there 1835 01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:26.680 on IMDb. We'll put a link to it on tonight's 1836 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:30.039 show page. But you know, for me, the biggest part 1837 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:34.600 of the takeaway is something wasn't right and the US 1838 01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:39.359 government and its Intel services were keenly involved in it. 1839 01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:44.479 Whatever this was, we'll just call it an assassination. Stick 1840 01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:53.159 with the main narrative. This was used to show you, basically, 1841 01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:58.720 in effect, what we were going to get for every 1842 01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:06.119 narrative moving forward. These tactics were used over and over 1843 01:54:06.199 --> 01:54:09.760 and over again. They're still being used on us right now. 1844 01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.399 And the only reason we're having this conversation is because 1845 01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:18.279 the government, the Intel agencies in particular, which seemed to 1846 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:20.439 be in charge of most of the media, at least 1847 01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:23.960 the narratives out there, they have no problem lying to you, 1848 01:54:24.279 --> 01:54:28.279 They have no problem deleting a US president in one way, 1849 01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:31.760 shape or form or another. They have no problem doing 1850 01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:35.960 regime change elsewhere. They have no problem creating culture wars 1851 01:54:35.960 --> 01:54:40.279 here in our own country. They have no problem causing 1852 01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:45.159 huge events and making them so big in the media 1853 01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:47.760 and so emotional in the media that they will get 1854 01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:52.640 your support to wage endless wars and bring those tactics 1855 01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:57.479 home and use them against us. And this is the 1856 01:54:57.520 --> 01:55:02.039 nexus of the conspiracy theorist to see the very cia 1857 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:05.439 that our government is now saying, yes, you conspiracy theorists 1858 01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:08.319 were right in one way, shape or form, is the 1859 01:55:08.319 --> 01:55:10.880 one that said you can't have these conversations and you 1860 01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:16.760 can't ask these questions. That's the big disclosure here. The 1861 01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:20.640 big disclosure here is all the conspiracy theorists were right 1862 01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:24.640 to be asking questions, and all of the normies and 1863 01:55:24.720 --> 01:55:29.279 the mass media cartel flunkys and dick Weeds that tried 1864 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:34.239 to deperson everybody that asked the question. We're doing the 1865 01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:38.880 work of evil. We're doing the work of being against 1866 01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:43.279 the truth. They don't want the American people or the 1867 01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:48.600 people of the planet Earth to know their actual history. 1868 01:55:49.359 --> 01:55:52.279 And you know, in these days it was a lot 1869 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:56.000 easier to pull that off, look, how long we've been 1870 01:55:56.039 --> 01:55:59.960 talking about this, The fact that we're having this conversation tonight, 1871 01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:06.640 the fact that Brian, David Anderson and Mark Anderson did 1872 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:10.640 this work really says a lot about where we're at 1873 01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:17.039 as it pertains to conspiracy theories. And nowadays, my goodness, 1874 01:56:18.199 --> 01:56:21.359 it's been said many times, We've been saying it for years. 1875 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:25.720 If you're a conspiracy theorist or someone calls you that, 1876 01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:28.680 it probably just means you're well researched enough to be 1877 01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:33.680 asking questions. And many of these questions are very much begged. 1878 01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:39.079 And these intel agencies will slow drip this information into 1879 01:56:39.119 --> 01:56:45.520 the public. They'll drip wrong information, right information, misleading information 1880 01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:51.920 all at once. They'll drip entire theories. They will put 1881 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:57.640 people into the conversation to misdirect, to gatekeep, they will 1882 01:56:57.680 --> 01:57:00.840 disrupt people that they think will whistle low if they 1883 01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:05.159 know too much. And all of that is apparent in 1884 01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:09.239 this document release. And on top of that, our intel 1885 01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:15.640 agency here in particular OSS, then CIA, they work internationally, 1886 01:57:15.760 --> 01:57:20.800 They work internationally with I five, I six, MOSAD, probably 1887 01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:24.239 even KGB, you know it. KGB. We got examples of 1888 01:57:24.279 --> 01:57:31.640 that agents, double agents, splinter cells, Manchurian candidates, mind control, 1889 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:36.239 MK ultra, all these things are fucking real, all right. 1890 01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:39.840 And if you've ever called someone a conspiracy theorist, if 1891 01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:41.760 they said, hey, did you ever think about if maybe 1892 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:46.079 Charlie Manson was involved with any sort of MK ultra stuff, 1893 01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:49.439 and you say, right right, look, there you go. There's 1894 01:57:49.479 --> 01:57:52.479 a new series, a new documentary on Netflix based on 1895 01:57:52.560 --> 01:57:55.760 this book right here. We've talked about it many times 1896 01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:57.840 on this show. It's called Chaos. If you're just out 1897 01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:02.159 there listening, recommend you and watch the movie, but most 1898 01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:05.479 importantly read it. But you know, the whole that's where 1899 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:09.439 this whole thing comes full circle. It's like we are 1900 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.800 sitting here going we are at the bottom of the 1901 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.920 rabbit hole when we're talking about trapdoors and all that. 1902 01:58:15.960 --> 01:58:19.359 And that's why I love Mark Anderson and you know, 1903 01:58:19.479 --> 01:58:23.560 rest in peace, Brian David Anderson. Also, you know, I 1904 01:58:23.560 --> 01:58:28.159 think it's fantastic work. And you know, obviously there's some 1905 01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:33.279 you know, holes to be filled, like any other JFK 1906 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:37.600 conspiracy theory or any other conspiracy theory that where the 1907 01:58:37.640 --> 01:58:42.199 original narrative comes out of the Central Intelligence Agency. We 1908 01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:45.520 should not be doing this in twenty twenty five. We 1909 01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:51.359 should not have a society where a cabal of psychos 1910 01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:55.399 is creating narratives for us and changing the actual history 1911 01:58:55.800 --> 01:58:58.439 and sending us, you know, sending us home with the 1912 01:58:58.439 --> 01:59:02.920 bill and the inability, the disability to function in normal 1913 01:59:02.960 --> 01:59:06.760 society if we ask questions about these things. That's my 1914 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.039 big takeaway from this document dump. 1915 01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:16.840 So I have a question, Sorry for me, I'm still 1916 01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:22.760 why would he buy into leaving all this and accept exile? 1917 01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:24.920 Was he compromised? You think? 1918 01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:27.640 Did he have something on him and they give him 1919 01:59:27.720 --> 01:59:31.640 ultimatum giving all what we heard about, maybe some of 1920 01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:34.359 his affairs or other things like. 1921 01:59:37.199 --> 01:59:38.319 Why would he accept this? 1922 01:59:40.479 --> 01:59:44.640 Yeah, Brian addresses that somewhat. If you watch the documentary, 1923 01:59:44.640 --> 01:59:49.640 it gets into that rather considerably. One of the things 1924 01:59:49.880 --> 01:59:55.479 was that JFK apparently had kind of a paradigm shift 1925 01:59:55.479 --> 01:59:58.119 in his whole attitude and he was starting to be 1926 01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:04.399 more authoritative. He had Executive Order one one zero to 1927 02:00:06.039 --> 02:00:09.159 apparently change to US Treasury notes and start phasing out 1928 02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:12.319 FED or reserve notes. Some people have disputed the significance 1929 02:00:12.359 --> 02:00:16.000 of that, others think it's very significant. So there was 1930 02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:20.760 one idea that he was intent on in a way 1931 02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:25.079 ending the FED, or at least weakening the FED. Michael 1932 02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:28.520 Collins Piper, who worked for American pre Press, where I 1933 02:00:28.600 --> 02:00:31.680 worked for a number of years, he wrote Final Judgment. 1934 02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:34.039 A lot of people are familiar with that book, and 1935 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:38.399 JFK apparently was reluctant to allow Israel to become a 1936 02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:43.600 nuclear armed state and was mitigating against that. Ben Gurion 1937 02:00:43.840 --> 02:00:47.800 was the Prime Minister of the younger state of Israel 1938 02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:52.119 at that time, so JFK may have stood in the 1939 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:56.560 way of the israelis become a nuclear becoming a nuclear power. 1940 02:00:58.199 --> 02:01:00.560 And there are a number of other things where Kennedy 1941 02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:05.640 was thought to be running contrary to the powers that be. 1942 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:09.000 As time went by, he became more and more bold, 1943 02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:14.119 challenging the deep state that we call it now, and 1944 02:01:14.159 --> 02:01:17.680 there were other intrigues that Again i'd encourage you to 1945 02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:20.760 watch the documentary. But while we're talking about it, I 1946 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:24.560 want to mention that the documentary was shown at a 1947 02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:28.680 festival of some sort. I don't remember the name of it, 1948 02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:32.760 but it did win an award, believe it or not, 1949 02:01:32.640 --> 02:01:36.520 not a very high profile major award, but it won 1950 02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:41.119 an award, interestingly enough, But there's one part of it 1951 02:01:41.159 --> 02:01:44.640 that Brian put in an updated version that I wanted 1952 02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:46.880 him to edit out, and he never got around to 1953 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:50.439 editing it out. Where there's a claim that the one 1954 02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:54.640 hundred x Limo that's been rebuilt that's at the Henry 1955 02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:58.000 Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan to this day, that that 1956 02:01:58.119 --> 02:02:00.600 vehicle is shorter than the one that rolled through the 1957 02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:03.640 streets of Dallas. That turned out to be false, but 1958 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:06.880 it's still in the documentary. And when I asked Brian 1959 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:09.319 to get that edited out of there. It never happened 1960 02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:13.720 before he had his heart attack a couple of years ago. 1961 02:02:14.680 --> 02:02:18.720 He was a bit older than me, and so that 1962 02:02:18.840 --> 02:02:21.720 mistake is still in there. I want to make that 1963 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:26.560 totally clear. But you mentioned Brian something about going things 1964 02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:30.119 being put on the bottom of the ocean. This is confirmed. 1965 02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:36.079 The expensive Elgin casket that the body was put into 1966 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:40.479 to leave Parkland to go on the airplane that ended 1967 02:02:40.520 --> 02:02:43.800 up being shot full of holes and is laying in 1968 02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:49.399 a Navy naval graveyard where they put spent materials, old 1969 02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:53.159 munitions parts in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean lies 1970 02:02:53.239 --> 02:02:54.039 that casket. 1971 02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:58.199 How about that, I was just you know, shooting from 1972 02:02:58.199 --> 02:03:01.279 the hip or with that one Mark Wow. You know 1973 02:03:01.640 --> 02:03:03.600 funny how that works out sometimes. 1974 02:03:03.920 --> 02:03:08.640 Well, what the reason I think is because and this 1975 02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:13.079 is I'm surmising a little, is because Aubrey Reich, who 1976 02:03:13.159 --> 02:03:15.800 was a This is another element of this. I don't 1977 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:18.359 know if I'll get into it because it's in the documentary, 1978 02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:23.560 but Aubury Reich was a very competent ambulance driver. And 1979 02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:26.000 one of the things that was true in the Oliver 1980 02:03:26.119 --> 02:03:29.640 Stone film was that in the beginning, a guy had 1981 02:03:29.680 --> 02:03:32.840 a what looked like an epileptic fit in the Daley 1982 02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:36.520 Plaza area and he was taken to a hospital. Well, 1983 02:03:36.560 --> 02:03:41.640 this that that actually happened, and interestingly enough, it drew 1984 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:46.680 Aubrey Reich, who later became a local police officer. But 1985 02:03:46.720 --> 02:03:51.359 in those days he was a young, very competent army 1986 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:56.640 or ambulance driver, and the real epileptic fit took him 1987 02:03:56.760 --> 02:03:59.840 out of Daley Plaza right at the right time, and 1988 02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:04.760 he ended up at Parkland Hospital, having taken that apparent 1989 02:04:04.800 --> 02:04:08.560 epileptic there. And he told me the same story that 1990 02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:13.319 he put in a book. I believe that the so 1991 02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:19.359 called epileptic victim was put into a waiting bay and 1992 02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:22.560 Aubrey went he went to one of those cigarette machines, 1993 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:26.000 he got a cigarette, he probably stepped outside, and then 1994 02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:30.520 the guy that had the epileptic fit, as Aubrey himself 1995 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:34.399 told me, at a restaurant in Plano, Texas, in two 1996 02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:37.359 thy ten I believe it was. It was either nine 1997 02:04:37.439 --> 02:04:39.960 or twenty ten, the guy disappeared. 1998 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:44.479 Disappeared, huh, Yeah. 1999 02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:47.560 He was nowhere to be found. He slipped out of 2000 02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:51.359 his waiting bay, and as I understood that, the staff 2001 02:04:51.399 --> 02:04:55.840 even wondered where he went. So even mister Reich thought 2002 02:04:56.359 --> 02:05:00.000 in the back of his mind, he entertained the eye 2003 02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:02.920 idea that maybe that whole thing was a diversion to 2004 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:06.239 get that ambulance unit out of Dealey Plaza at the 2005 02:05:06.319 --> 02:05:12.680 right time. And that's depicted. The epileptic fit is depicted, 2006 02:05:12.720 --> 02:05:15.640 I believe, near the beginning of the Oliver Stone film JFK. 2007 02:05:16.479 --> 02:05:21.039 So that's another interesting element of it. But Aubrey Wright 2008 02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:25.279 testified and wrote a book Through the Door of Memory. 2009 02:05:25.319 --> 02:05:28.279 I believe the books called that he actually put the 2010 02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:32.319 body in trauma Room one, into the expensive Elgin casket, 2011 02:05:32.760 --> 02:05:35.560 the most expensive casket you could get at that time, 2012 02:05:36.119 --> 02:05:38.880 and the blood was coming out the back of the 2013 02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:42.279 head and he had to wrap the body, but some 2014 02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:45.560 of the blood evidently got on the inside lining of 2015 02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:50.920 that expensive casket. So I've always kind of presumed that 2016 02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:54.439 the reason they threw that casket away was to make 2017 02:05:54.479 --> 02:05:56.880 sure nobody got a chance to look at that blood 2018 02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:00.319 in there, to sample it, or to do any kind 2019 02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:04.760 of experiments. I don't know why you would put put 2020 02:06:04.760 --> 02:06:07.279 that casket there and and and put holes in it 2021 02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:09.239 to make sure it would sink and wouldn't float to 2022 02:06:09.279 --> 02:06:14.880 the top. But there's there's ample documentation that that's what 2023 02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:19.199 happened to that casket. That's another thread in the tapestry. 2024 02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:22.279 And I guess all traditional Catholic burial. 2025 02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:26.039 Just like Laden right, I mean, didn't they do that 2026 02:06:26.079 --> 02:06:27.039 with bin Laden. 2027 02:06:29.239 --> 02:06:32.760 Right, because that's that's traditional Muslim burial, right. You bury 2028 02:06:32.840 --> 02:06:33.880 him at seat, not. 2029 02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:39.079 So some mark like what you told me. 2030 02:06:39.319 --> 02:06:42.199 That is more, these were reasons for them to get 2031 02:06:42.239 --> 02:06:45.560 rid of him, but were not necessarily reasons for him 2032 02:06:45.600 --> 02:06:51.039 to accept being swapped. I'm still like, what will actually 2033 02:06:51.119 --> 02:06:52.159 get him to accept that? 2034 02:06:53.880 --> 02:06:54.119 Well? 2035 02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:57.119 Uh, I think one of the things Brian said was, 2036 02:06:57.800 --> 02:07:00.199 you know, we can we can do away with you 2037 02:07:00.359 --> 02:07:03.079 the hard way, you know, as in death, or we 2038 02:07:03.159 --> 02:07:08.840 can arrange a exile and you'll live out your normal 2039 02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:11.640 life and you know, you'll have all the luxuries you want, 2040 02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:16.119 and you'll be the martyr, the hero. And there were 2041 02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:22.680 and admittedly they were, you know, enquirer and tabloid sensational stories. 2042 02:07:23.039 --> 02:07:27.199 Kennedy was spotted on a yacht in the Greek Isles 2043 02:07:27.319 --> 02:07:31.199 or whatever in the Mediterranean. These came out over the years, 2044 02:07:32.399 --> 02:07:34.560 and a lot of people made fun of the tabloids, 2045 02:07:34.600 --> 02:07:38.560 and rightly so. But the one thing about the tabloids, 2046 02:07:38.560 --> 02:07:41.199 for all their faults, and there were many, was that 2047 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:45.399 they were ballsier. You know, they were more no holds barred, 2048 02:07:45.479 --> 02:07:48.760 and you know, a broken clock is right twice a day, 2049 02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:51.119 and you never know. They might have hit on something there. 2050 02:07:52.359 --> 02:07:58.279 Aristotle on Nassas owned an entire island called Scorpius. 2051 02:07:57.000 --> 02:07:58.840 Right later husband of Jackie. 2052 02:07:59.680 --> 02:08:05.760 Yeah uh, and the she may have had an affair 2053 02:08:05.840 --> 02:08:10.159 with him even prior to Jack's death, It's possible, but 2054 02:08:10.359 --> 02:08:13.920 he owned an entire island. Brian thought that JFK was 2055 02:08:13.960 --> 02:08:21.479 exiled somewhere else. And then Mary Pinchow figures into some 2056 02:08:21.640 --> 02:08:24.680 of this and I have to I have to turn 2057 02:08:24.720 --> 02:08:26.880 in because I got to do UK column early in 2058 02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:31.760 the morning, but Mary Pinchow figures into it and we'll 2059 02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:35.039 make sure Brian gets the right link to show the video. 2060 02:08:35.600 --> 02:08:39.000 It's a different kind of documentary. It's not your conventional 2061 02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:44.159 it's a little bit lower budget, but it's well narrated 2062 02:08:44.199 --> 02:08:47.159 and it's pretty well reasoned out. You know, people can 2063 02:08:49.079 --> 02:08:51.359 make of it, make of it what they will, but 2064 02:08:51.439 --> 02:08:54.479 at least it opens some new doors. It encourages new 2065 02:08:54.600 --> 02:08:58.560 kinds of thinking, because the thinking we've been given is 2066 02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:01.800 the establishment thinking. It's either door number one or door 2067 02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:05.399 number two. Don't talk about anything else. It was either 2068 02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.520 the mob or whatever. But it was an assassination. Whoever 2069 02:09:09.560 --> 02:09:12.079 may have shot him, just believe it was an assassination. 2070 02:09:12.199 --> 02:09:15.479 And then that's all you need to know. And so 2071 02:09:16.520 --> 02:09:19.720 this is how you break through the lies. You have 2072 02:09:19.800 --> 02:09:23.359 to come up with an angle, a aperture, a portal 2073 02:09:24.359 --> 02:09:27.520 through which to see things in a new light. And 2074 02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:30.279 then others might build on what I'm talking about, or 2075 02:09:30.319 --> 02:09:33.000 they might find a slightly divergent path that will lead 2076 02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:38.479 to even brighter insights. So hopefully at least it will 2077 02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:42.960 be a catalyst to further insights. Whether it's the final 2078 02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:44.760 word or not is a very difficult thing. 2079 02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:47.560 To say, Well, Mark, the good thing here is that 2080 02:09:47.600 --> 02:09:50.359 the onus is now on the government to prove to 2081 02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:55.680 us anything and everything. Right, it's on them now. They 2082 02:09:55.720 --> 02:09:59.479 can no longer say, oh, you're a nasty conspiracy theorist. 2083 02:09:59.560 --> 02:10:02.560 Are you hutting me? Government and mainstream media? Did you 2084 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:06.000 see all these recent drops? And you know, there's a 2085 02:10:06.039 --> 02:10:09.560 lot of people that have similar theories about Epstein, you know, 2086 02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:12.439 and his whole thing, you know, suicide. 2087 02:10:12.479 --> 02:10:15.479 Well, there were images appear. I don't know how true 2088 02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:19.359 are they, Like those images of him from a drone? 2089 02:10:20.399 --> 02:10:20.920 Just chilling. 2090 02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:26.399 Yeah, I've seen those too, Man, those rumors shall persist. Mark, 2091 02:10:26.439 --> 02:10:29.560 Before you go, I have to recommend the movie. Yeah, 2092 02:10:29.840 --> 02:10:32.119 I have to recommend a movie to you. Mark. It's 2093 02:10:32.119 --> 02:10:36.279 called Bubba Hotep. Have you ever seen this? Uh no, 2094 02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:40.640 all right, I'll tell you this. It's dark. It's very dark, 2095 02:10:40.800 --> 02:10:43.239 but at the same time, I think you'll find it 2096 02:10:43.279 --> 02:10:47.920 interesting because the plot line is that the two main 2097 02:10:48.039 --> 02:10:55.399 characters are Elvis and JFK. And there's a and it 2098 02:10:55.399 --> 02:10:58.680 takes place in a rest home. All right. So one 2099 02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:02.359 of the main characters is this black dude and he's 2100 02:11:02.399 --> 02:11:04.800 stuck in this rest home and he tries he's trying 2101 02:11:04.840 --> 02:11:08.720 to tell everyone that he's JFK and that they didn't 2102 02:11:08.720 --> 02:11:11.439 assassinate him, but they turned him black, so no one 2103 02:11:11.520 --> 02:11:16.640 believes that he's JFK. And the other guy there is Elvis, 2104 02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:20.079 but nobody really believes him that he's Elvis either. And 2105 02:11:20.119 --> 02:11:24.279 they're basically have to fight a sort of gypsy demon 2106 02:11:24.720 --> 02:11:27.760 sort of entity thing in the rest home that's trying 2107 02:11:27.800 --> 02:11:32.079 to suck the souls out of the soon to be deceased. 2108 02:11:32.119 --> 02:11:34.439 It's a it's a it's got a lot of comedy 2109 02:11:34.439 --> 02:11:40.159 in it, and it's also it's a it's a little 2110 02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:41.119 bit of both man. 2111 02:11:42.159 --> 02:11:43.479 Bruce Campbell, Yeah. 2112 02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:46.039 Yeah, it's a good movie. 2113 02:11:46.479 --> 02:11:49.680 I'll mention in a in a departing comment that although 2114 02:11:49.720 --> 02:11:52.720 this isn't really part of mine and Brian's work much, 2115 02:11:52.800 --> 02:11:55.840 if at all, I've always thought that the Oswald thing 2116 02:11:55.960 --> 02:12:00.279 and the documentation is showing this, that that that whole 2117 02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:04.199 trail was created so they could have their Patsy. In 2118 02:12:04.239 --> 02:12:06.960 other words, let's talk about a guy that goes to 2119 02:12:07.119 --> 02:12:10.920 Russia and defects, comes back to America. Let's give him 2120 02:12:10.960 --> 02:12:14.079 a name, Lee Harvey Oswald. That human being they called 2121 02:12:14.159 --> 02:12:16.680 Lee Harvey Oswald, is that really who that is? Right, 2122 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:20.680 just ask the natural questions. That's the name they gave 2123 02:12:20.720 --> 02:12:24.039 to this persona and they said, here's his brother Robert, 2124 02:12:24.079 --> 02:12:29.279 here's his mom Marguerite. Are these really a family, right? 2125 02:12:29.479 --> 02:12:31.520 Or is this a family kind of created out of 2126 02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:36.399 thin air? I'm just asking open ended questions. But one 2127 02:12:36.439 --> 02:12:41.199 thing seems clear that they were monitoring Oswald years before 2128 02:12:41.560 --> 02:12:44.800 November twenty second and sixty three. And would that not 2129 02:12:44.920 --> 02:12:49.199 be for the very purpose of creating the perfect patsy 2130 02:12:49.800 --> 02:12:53.439 and creating the kind of paper trail and set of circumstances. 2131 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:57.800 Then once the shooting takes place, then they could say, ah, 2132 02:12:57.880 --> 02:13:01.680 here's our Warren Commission. Never mind, Allen Dulles, never mind McCloy, 2133 02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:04.600 what are they doing there? Well, never mind, here's here's 2134 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:10.520 our guy. He's prefab he's he's already designed to be 2135 02:13:10.800 --> 02:13:13.560 to me, to be nailed as the Patsy. And did 2136 02:13:13.600 --> 02:13:19.000 they not create this whole mystique and the Oswald family 2137 02:13:19.079 --> 02:13:22.039 maybe even but at least Oswald himself, if that was 2138 02:13:22.079 --> 02:13:25.560 his real name. Did they not just create that whole 2139 02:13:25.600 --> 02:13:27.159 scenario for this purpose? 2140 02:13:28.119 --> 02:13:31.680 So then when the CIA says, well, people go, well, 2141 02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:37.159 was the CIA involved and obviously they were involved to 2142 02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:42.600 some extent, as the document show, but you can almost 2143 02:13:42.920 --> 02:13:47.600 say with total certainty that today, right now, the CIA 2144 02:13:47.760 --> 02:13:49.039 knows exactly. 2145 02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:50.960 What happened on that day and they're just never going 2146 02:13:51.039 --> 02:13:53.840 to tell you because the deep State will never indict 2147 02:13:53.960 --> 02:13:54.800 or out itself. 2148 02:13:55.039 --> 02:13:55.199 Yep. 2149 02:13:56.439 --> 02:14:00.960 So whether they were intimately involved the whole thing, they 2150 02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:06.239 were involved with the early machinations developing Oswald, and then 2151 02:14:08.039 --> 02:14:11.239 you have to believe really that they know now today 2152 02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:15.039 exactly what happened, and they've known a long time. But 2153 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:20.520 a spy agency simply cannot out itself by its very nature, 2154 02:14:20.720 --> 02:14:27.880 So I believe I believe those are truisms at this point. 2155 02:14:28.720 --> 02:14:32.439 Yeah, yeah, I noticed from what I looked at that, 2156 02:14:33.840 --> 02:14:36.159 and it kind of drives with what you said too, 2157 02:14:36.199 --> 02:14:41.079 based the major like smattering as you go through it 2158 02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:44.439 is a lot of exactly that, a lot of like 2159 02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:51.520 KGB the narrative slash, the narrative for the motive for 2160 02:14:51.680 --> 02:14:56.319 Oswald is basically one of retribution for the Bay of 2161 02:14:56.399 --> 02:15:00.720 Pigs incident and sort of like a communist know versus 2162 02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:06.279 America sort of ideology thing. Yeah, which which you know, 2163 02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:08.920 and why would they do that? Well, easy, because they 2164 02:15:08.920 --> 02:15:10.800 had a Cold war they were trying to promote. They 2165 02:15:10.840 --> 02:15:12.600 wanted to make sure that they could push that Cold 2166 02:15:12.600 --> 02:15:16.039 war further, go deeper into the Vietnamese, you know, the 2167 02:15:16.079 --> 02:15:20.920 conflict in Vietnam. So so to me, like, I'm glad 2168 02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:22.720 this is a giant dump. But at the same time, 2169 02:15:22.760 --> 02:15:26.039 they're dumping all the original narrative propaganda in there. It's 2170 02:15:26.079 --> 02:15:28.399 full of the Warrant Commission, it's full of you know, 2171 02:15:28.479 --> 02:15:32.399 all this like you know, cold war propaganda. And then 2172 02:15:33.039 --> 02:15:35.119 you know, you got to really search for those like 2173 02:15:35.199 --> 02:15:38.680 twelve mentions of Israel and Masad and all that stuff, 2174 02:15:39.239 --> 02:15:42.279 you know. And while I'm on that, I'll add to 2175 02:15:42.319 --> 02:15:44.960 that list that Mark was sitting there. JFK was also 2176 02:15:45.039 --> 02:15:49.279 opposed to the American Zionist Council. That's what APAK was 2177 02:15:49.319 --> 02:15:52.039 called before it was APAK was the American Zionist Council. 2178 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:55.600 His Department of Justice told them that they had to 2179 02:15:55.600 --> 02:15:59.479 be a foreign agent registered under the Foreign Agent's Registration 2180 02:15:59.600 --> 02:16:03.199 Actor FAR Act. And you could see why that might 2181 02:16:03.239 --> 02:16:04.000 not be liked. 2182 02:16:04.840 --> 02:16:08.000 Remember his other famous statement, his other famous speech where 2183 02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:11.159 he said that the idea of secrecy is anathema to America. 2184 02:16:11.680 --> 02:16:16.239 He wanted to bring everything to light. And just with Oswald, 2185 02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:20.079 I mean a US marine who defects to the Soviet 2186 02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:24.680 Union and then defects back into the United States and 2187 02:16:24.760 --> 02:16:31.720 then is is a pro Castro guy, but then is 2188 02:16:32.280 --> 02:16:34.719 in New Orleans and is in the same buildings as 2189 02:16:34.760 --> 02:16:35.559 the Mob. 2190 02:16:36.799 --> 02:16:38.239 Is very is very weird. 2191 02:16:38.600 --> 02:16:41.280 And how it ties in with the Mob and Santa 2192 02:16:41.319 --> 02:16:43.079 Traffic Conte and all of his activities. 2193 02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:45.040 Remember that Oswald. 2194 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:48.079 The entire thing was supposed to take place a week 2195 02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:51.040 before that in Chicago, just like in the movie The 2196 02:16:51.040 --> 02:16:53.239 Package with Gene Hackman. It's like a replay of the 2197 02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:57.680 exact thing that was gonna happen, and that Oswald. And 2198 02:16:57.840 --> 02:17:01.639 remember David Ferry, remember that guy in the Oliverstone jfkme here, 2199 02:17:01.680 --> 02:17:03.760 But you've got the Tommy Lee Jones character of Clay 2200 02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:07.280 Clay Birch and Clay Shaw, and then Joe Paschi's David 2201 02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:08.120 Ferry character. 2202 02:17:08.200 --> 02:17:11.760 Hey Base, sorry to interrupt men. Hold that thought. Mark, 2203 02:17:11.799 --> 02:17:13.840 if you want to say anything before you got to go, 2204 02:17:14.360 --> 02:17:16.840 you can. Otherwise I'll just say thank you Mark Anderson 2205 02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:20.040 for being here. There he is and people can find 2206 02:17:20.079 --> 02:17:23.559 you on UK column on Friday's Friday Morning Catch Mark 2207 02:17:23.600 --> 02:17:27.399 Anderson on UK column. Go to ukcolum dot org for 2208 02:17:27.639 --> 02:17:30.879 the calendar, schedule, archives and all that. Mark, it's been 2209 02:17:30.920 --> 02:17:34.799 a pleasure tonight. Thank you. You're muted there. 2210 02:17:34.959 --> 02:17:40.239 Man always always kind of a feeling of trepidation when 2211 02:17:40.239 --> 02:17:43.799 I get into this subject. It's a difficult thing to describe, 2212 02:17:44.440 --> 02:17:47.280 but I think we all need I think we're at 2213 02:17:47.319 --> 02:17:50.479 a point in time where we need to open some 2214 02:17:50.559 --> 02:17:54.360 new doors. I think we've all had enough of the 2215 02:17:54.520 --> 02:17:58.680 stonewalling and the lies and all the deception and misdirection. 2216 02:17:59.360 --> 02:18:01.840 We've got to the point where it's going to ruin 2217 02:18:01.879 --> 02:18:06.680 our country unless we get bold and step forward bravely. 2218 02:18:07.479 --> 02:18:11.920 And that's what we're gonna have to do. Otherwise the 2219 02:18:11.959 --> 02:18:14.920 lies that this country is inundated with will be will 2220 02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:19.040 be its demise, and we can't let that happen. And 2221 02:18:19.120 --> 02:18:22.639 so maybe if JFK couldn't scatter the CIA to the win, 2222 02:18:22.799 --> 02:18:25.239 maybe we'll be the beginning of that in our own 2223 02:18:25.360 --> 02:18:28.600 humble way. So there you go. 2224 02:18:28.479 --> 02:18:31.479 All right, Thanks Mark, Thanks so much, appreciate your bravery 2225 02:18:31.520 --> 02:18:34.040 tonight sharing this story with us. I'm sure the comments 2226 02:18:34.040 --> 02:18:37.280 section will be lit and that's up to you. You 2227 02:18:37.399 --> 02:18:39.479 out there, get in there in comment like subscribe all 2228 02:18:39.479 --> 02:18:41.479 that stuff. Mark, We'll see you next time, thanks buddy. 2229 02:18:42.120 --> 02:18:43.399 Yeah, be well, guys. 2230 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:46.280 All right, that's the Truthhound right there, the Truthhound dot 2231 02:18:46.319 --> 02:18:53.360 com Ukcolum dot org and somewhere else I'm forgetting right now. 2232 02:18:53.399 --> 02:18:55.399 Why am I blanking on that? Anyways? You know where 2233 02:18:55.399 --> 02:18:55.879 to find. 2234 02:18:55.680 --> 02:18:57.639 Mark Broadcasting Network, Thank. 2235 02:18:57.520 --> 02:19:01.200 You, Rockies. Republic Broadcasting Network off the presses with Mark 2236 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:03.799 Anderson on Wednesdays. There that was all I needed. 2237 02:19:05.399 --> 02:19:10.079 M Yeah, what are we gonna do? Icebreaker? 2238 02:19:10.600 --> 02:19:12.159 I don't have one in mind? Do you have one 2239 02:19:12.200 --> 02:19:12.520 in mine? 2240 02:19:13.559 --> 02:19:13.719 No? 2241 02:19:13.840 --> 02:19:14.559 It was just one that. 2242 02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:18.799 We're so deep in it. Actually, let me share this 2243 02:19:18.840 --> 02:19:21.200 screen over here. Yeah, we're not gonna do icebreakers. They're 2244 02:19:21.239 --> 02:19:25.000 all they're all like culture war stuff. Right now, we're 2245 02:19:25.040 --> 02:19:26.879 driving a hard time finding some that they are not 2246 02:19:27.040 --> 02:19:31.280 like rehashes at this point. This book right here was 2247 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:35.840 recommended by Fleety in the discord. Thank you, Fleety. 2248 02:19:36.159 --> 02:19:36.520 John F. 2249 02:19:36.600 --> 02:19:41.520 Kennedy and the Politics of Arms Sales to Israel by 2250 02:19:41.719 --> 02:19:46.600 Abraham ben Zivy ben Zev I don't know. 2251 02:19:46.719 --> 02:19:48.760 I didn't. I didn't have the heart to ask Mark, 2252 02:19:48.799 --> 02:19:51.239 but I'll ask you guys, And I'm curious what Bays 2253 02:19:51.399 --> 02:19:54.360 thinks because there is still the elephant in the room 2254 02:19:54.440 --> 02:19:58.360 involving the jfk assassination, and that is the Secret Society's 2255 02:19:58.440 --> 02:20:03.079 the Sacrificed King, the third Parallel, all all the esoteric 2256 02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:06.079 things that like Bill Cooper used to talk about, Are 2257 02:20:06.120 --> 02:20:08.479 we to just give up on all of that? There's 2258 02:20:08.479 --> 02:20:15.000 no there there. I don't know, I don't know. 2259 02:20:15.040 --> 02:20:17.719 I mean, I think that everything it's like with looking 2260 02:20:17.760 --> 02:20:20.120 at the Big nine event. You know, no matter what, 2261 02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:24.200 you've got two towers, and the number eleven is Jamie 2262 02:20:24.200 --> 02:20:27.680 always talks about the most occult number. I think that, yeah, 2263 02:20:27.760 --> 02:20:30.399 that's obviously seems to be built into it, if not 2264 02:20:30.600 --> 02:20:33.840 simply for like a I don't know what else to 2265 02:20:33.879 --> 02:20:40.000 call it. It's like, uh, mass mass terror, destabilization, reag aside, 2266 02:20:40.799 --> 02:20:42.879 it seems to be no accident, like the whole camelot 2267 02:20:43.200 --> 02:20:47.120 aspect of the thing. But again it's like people forget 2268 02:20:47.120 --> 02:20:51.079 that at the time. I think that the consensus is that, 2269 02:20:51.159 --> 02:20:54.000 like at the time, the majority of Americans were not 2270 02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:58.040 pro Kennedy in many ways. He was the first Catholic president. 2271 02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:02.319 He was like he won because of the mob, and 2272 02:21:02.360 --> 02:21:04.319 now they got him, you know, pushed through in Chicago 2273 02:21:04.399 --> 02:21:06.000 that seems to have been one of the things that 2274 02:21:06.040 --> 02:21:08.280 they were pissed about, because then they raided They raided 2275 02:21:08.319 --> 02:21:10.159 him and declared war on the war on the mob, 2276 02:21:12.280 --> 02:21:15.879 the uh, the iasy aspects of it, the the war 2277 02:21:15.920 --> 02:21:21.360 on steel, the the trying to get us out of Vietnam. 2278 02:21:21.920 --> 02:21:24.879 There's so many things involved with it. And I think 2279 02:21:24.920 --> 02:21:27.319 at the end of the day, I mean, I still 2280 02:21:27.360 --> 02:21:29.959 believe after looking through the documents that like, there's nothing 2281 02:21:30.000 --> 02:21:33.680 to say that it wasn't what I've thought it was, 2282 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:37.600 which was the you know, the intelligence agency sets it up, 2283 02:21:37.680 --> 02:21:42.879 the the mob and the Patsy set up a triangulated 2284 02:21:42.879 --> 02:21:44.280 shot and they get rid of the guy and then 2285 02:21:44.319 --> 02:21:47.760 they go straight into Vietnam and LBJ benefited hugely and 2286 02:21:47.840 --> 02:21:53.479 he had a hit man working for him. 2287 02:21:52.600 --> 02:21:55.239 I don't know, I don't know. What do you think. 2288 02:21:55.879 --> 02:21:58.520 I dropped to theory in one of the live chats 2289 02:21:58.559 --> 02:22:02.280 while Mark Rostiska, you know, talking, But what if it's 2290 02:22:02.319 --> 02:22:04.200 all of the things. What if JF because he was 2291 02:22:04.200 --> 02:22:05.879 a smart dude and he knew he was pissing off 2292 02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:10.000 a lot of people. What if he had real valuable 2293 02:22:10.040 --> 02:22:12.799 intel that suggested, oh my god, they're gonna fucking kill 2294 02:22:12.840 --> 02:22:15.959 me and this was his only out. Maybe he made 2295 02:22:16.000 --> 02:22:18.639 the decision to fake his own death. And I don't know. 2296 02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:20.639 There's always that theory. 2297 02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:25.639 I guess, yeah. I mean we're all speculation is valid 2298 02:22:25.680 --> 02:22:28.239 when it comes to that question, right, like the question, 2299 02:22:28.639 --> 02:22:31.120 uh mystical Pharaoh was asking earlier, like why would he 2300 02:22:31.200 --> 02:22:34.680 agree to this? Just fill in the blanks, you know, 2301 02:22:34.959 --> 02:22:38.200 any speculation you have on that. There are so many differences. 2302 02:22:38.200 --> 02:22:41.159 I know, I know he was blackmailed on Epstein's Island. 2303 02:22:43.000 --> 02:22:44.360 I don't think he faked it. 2304 02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:46.440 But one thing that is kind of left out is 2305 02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:48.959 the fact that he was he was in the constant 2306 02:22:49.000 --> 02:22:52.040 physical pain for ever since his service. 2307 02:22:51.760 --> 02:22:54.000 In the war. 2308 02:22:54.079 --> 02:22:56.319 He broke his back, right, the whole thing was like 2309 02:22:56.360 --> 02:23:00.840 his pt boat was run over by a Japanese or whatever, 2310 02:23:00.879 --> 02:23:02.559 and he saved all his guys and he was a 2311 02:23:02.600 --> 02:23:04.559 hero and all that, but he broke his back doing it. 2312 02:23:04.639 --> 02:23:08.239 And I think he had the Hitler thing going on, 2313 02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:10.639 like he had to take painkillers constantly throughout the day, 2314 02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:13.120 you know, had to take amphetamines to get up. I 2315 02:23:13.159 --> 02:23:17.399 know that this This cruse Chef book mentions that this 2316 02:23:17.559 --> 02:23:21.239 summit where Kennedy and khruse Chef like walked out on 2317 02:23:21.280 --> 02:23:23.639 each other, and they were both like, you know, insanely angry, 2318 02:23:23.639 --> 02:23:25.399 and everybody thought it was going to be nuclear war. 2319 02:23:26.239 --> 02:23:30.360 This book, which is totally mainstream, the most mainstream mainline history, 2320 02:23:30.399 --> 02:23:33.000 says that the real reason for that was because they 2321 02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:37.719 were both clients of that celebrity doctor nick type character, 2322 02:23:38.440 --> 02:23:41.520 Doctor feel Good. But that was a real guy and 2323 02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:44.000 they were both clients of his, and he was like 2324 02:23:44.079 --> 02:23:47.200 out of town at a villa, so they weren't able 2325 02:23:47.200 --> 02:23:49.239 to get their fix, and so they were both erratic 2326 02:23:49.319 --> 02:23:52.719 and angry, and he contributed to them like walking out 2327 02:23:52.799 --> 02:23:57.440 and a near nuclear war, which is wild. But he 2328 02:23:57.520 --> 02:24:01.239 was in pain strikes again, Yeah, in constant physical pain. 2329 02:24:01.319 --> 02:24:02.600 I know that, but he was still you know, he 2330 02:24:02.680 --> 02:24:04.200 was a young dude. 2331 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:07.200 So and here I thought Doctor feel Good was just 2332 02:24:07.239 --> 02:24:10.719 a cool Motley Cruz song. Dang right, just gets darker 2333 02:24:10.719 --> 02:24:18.040 and darker by the day, doesn't it. Yeah. I want 2334 02:24:18.079 --> 02:24:21.040 to throw one more thing out about this Gary Underhill. Guy. 2335 02:24:21.159 --> 02:24:25.040 Gary Underhill who we mentioned earlier, former World War two 2336 02:24:25.280 --> 02:24:34.399 intelligence officer, and he was involved in CIA special assignments 2337 02:24:35.079 --> 02:24:39.920 and you know, after he left d C, he traveled 2338 02:24:39.959 --> 02:24:42.159 to New Jersey before he died. He talked to some 2339 02:24:42.319 --> 02:24:45.879 friends and what he told them was that he attributed 2340 02:24:46.079 --> 02:24:50.319 attributed the Kennedy murder to a CIA click which was 2341 02:24:50.360 --> 02:24:54.559 carrying on a lucrative racket in gun running, narcotics and 2342 02:24:54.680 --> 02:25:00.440 other contraband and manipulating political intrigue to serve its own ends. 2343 02:25:00.920 --> 02:25:04.000 Kennedy supposedly got when that something was going on and 2344 02:25:04.159 --> 02:25:06.799 was killed before he could blow the whistle on it. 2345 02:25:06.920 --> 02:25:12.879 That is what Gary Underhill said. And you know CIA, 2346 02:25:12.959 --> 02:25:17.479 what they mean when they say CIA special assignments, they're 2347 02:25:17.559 --> 02:25:21.360 talking about people that have a role that does not 2348 02:25:21.520 --> 02:25:23.719 have to go up a normal chain of command. They 2349 02:25:23.840 --> 02:25:28.840 report directly to the director of the CIA. So I 2350 02:25:28.879 --> 02:25:33.799 would wager that those special assignments, folks are worth looking at. 2351 02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:36.799 And he is the works. Yeah, Yeah, a lot of 2352 02:25:36.799 --> 02:25:39.360 that kind of stuff going on there. Just watched Sakario 2353 02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:44.280 last night, actually, which for some reason feels like it 2354 02:25:44.319 --> 02:25:46.559 fits right into this because it kind of gives you a, 2355 02:25:47.200 --> 02:25:50.399 you know a bit of an albeit Hollywood view of 2356 02:25:50.600 --> 02:25:55.799 how Central Intelligence Agency operates when they need to get 2357 02:25:55.959 --> 02:25:59.559 something done that makes some sort of change in our 2358 02:25:59.639 --> 02:26:01.799 country and or another country. 2359 02:26:03.440 --> 02:26:05.879 Speaking of CIA, I still want to know where the hell, 2360 02:26:05.959 --> 02:26:07.360 George Bush was that day. 2361 02:26:07.719 --> 02:26:09.840 I was gonna ask we did not talk about that. 2362 02:26:12.040 --> 02:26:13.760 Yeah, I looked it up. 2363 02:26:13.799 --> 02:26:15.959 I searched and to you know, see if he was 2364 02:26:16.000 --> 02:26:17.879 mentioned any of the stuff, because it's claimed that he 2365 02:26:17.920 --> 02:26:19.760 was there on site and that you know, it was 2366 02:26:19.840 --> 02:26:24.280 Operation Zapata and all this stuff. But then, you know, 2367 02:26:24.760 --> 02:26:28.200 I think he sued someone later on before he was president, 2368 02:26:28.239 --> 02:26:33.840 because mainstream outlet had claimed that he had CIA activities 2369 02:26:33.879 --> 02:26:37.239 before he was director and he won, which doesn't. 2370 02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:39.479 Mean anything because it was you know, they were all CIA. 2371 02:26:39.159 --> 02:26:42.200 Outlets anyway, but supposedly he and Nixon and all these 2372 02:26:42.200 --> 02:26:45.120 people were there on site. Howard Hunt, you know, they 2373 02:26:45.399 --> 02:26:47.000 they investigated to see if he was one of the 2374 02:26:47.000 --> 02:26:51.799 shoeless guys. Remember Howard Hunt's son is the one who 2375 02:26:51.799 --> 02:26:55.239 claimed that Howard Hunt later did the deathbed confession. But 2376 02:26:55.360 --> 02:26:59.680 when Hunt was arrested for Watergate, they questioned him about 2377 02:26:59.799 --> 02:27:03.040 the JFK assassination, and his excuses alibi was that I 2378 02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:05.680 was at home with my family in northern Virginia and 2379 02:27:05.719 --> 02:27:07.319 I took them out for a car ride and we 2380 02:27:07.319 --> 02:27:09.200 went to the Chinese grocery store. 2381 02:27:09.280 --> 02:27:09.959 That's what he said. 2382 02:27:10.920 --> 02:27:13.559 And later on his son Howard Hunt the third or 2383 02:27:13.559 --> 02:27:17.040 whatever said first of all, like my dad was never home. 2384 02:27:17.719 --> 02:27:19.479 Second of all, I remember that day because I was 2385 02:27:19.479 --> 02:27:21.639 a teenager and he was not home, and we never 2386 02:27:21.719 --> 02:27:23.680 went out for groceries and definitely. 2387 02:27:23.319 --> 02:27:27.000 Not to some Chinese. What are you talking about? So 2388 02:27:27.159 --> 02:27:27.680 who knows? 2389 02:27:28.559 --> 02:27:31.440 I think Dulles was in Puerto Rico at the time, 2390 02:27:32.120 --> 02:27:33.600 but he that, you know, he could have been running 2391 02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:37.040 the operation from there, if that was the thing. Uh, 2392 02:27:37.200 --> 02:27:40.680 Frank Sturgis was probably was almost certainly there. Uh, Woody 2393 02:27:40.719 --> 02:27:44.000 Harrelson's dad, they claimed that he was there, right the 2394 02:27:44.120 --> 02:27:45.200 Charles Harrison. 2395 02:27:44.920 --> 02:27:45.920 Was one of the one of the. 2396 02:27:47.799 --> 02:27:48.840 Yeah possible. 2397 02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:51.399 And there's a photo or a clip of video right 2398 02:27:51.440 --> 02:27:54.440 that people say, you know, oh, that's George Bush right there, right, 2399 02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:57.520 Like there's actual a piece of evidence to quibble over 2400 02:27:57.559 --> 02:27:59.040 when it comes to George Bush being there. 2401 02:27:59.079 --> 02:28:02.559 If I recall, the photo is pretty convincing. 2402 02:28:02.600 --> 02:28:05.200 I've seen y it's good. It's pretty good, and it 2403 02:28:05.239 --> 02:28:09.239 was pre AI you know, maybe in the early photoshop era, 2404 02:28:09.399 --> 02:28:11.559 but I don't know much about its origin or how 2405 02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:14.799 long it's been in the public purview anywhere. 2406 02:28:14.879 --> 02:28:19.719 That Oswald was working at the book depository, Like you 2407 02:28:19.799 --> 02:28:21.879 got the job for a month ahead of time. Isn't 2408 02:28:21.879 --> 02:28:24.719 that weird in the first place? Also, what is a 2409 02:28:24.840 --> 02:28:32.159 school book depository building a library? They have this gigantic 2410 02:28:32.239 --> 02:28:35.719 eight story building to put school Like that's weird on 2411 02:28:35.719 --> 02:28:36.440 the surface too, And. 2412 02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:39.680 We're storing all the old school books here. We knew 2413 02:28:39.799 --> 02:28:41.040 its story building. 2414 02:28:41.479 --> 02:28:43.600 That's that's the other element. It's like, if you look, 2415 02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:46.319 you follow the Lee Harvey Oswald pattern, You're like, Wow, 2416 02:28:46.399 --> 02:28:50.120 this is planned so far in advance that I mean, 2417 02:28:50.399 --> 02:28:53.559 was he in on it that far that like years before? 2418 02:28:53.639 --> 02:28:55.120 I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. 2419 02:28:55.200 --> 02:28:55.639 I don't know. 2420 02:28:56.200 --> 02:28:58.840 Well, David Ferry is a guy who ran the supposed operation. 2421 02:28:59.680 --> 02:29:02.479 He knew David Ferry when when he was a kid. 2422 02:29:03.520 --> 02:29:06.799 Oswald was in his like civil Air Aviation thing, that 2423 02:29:06.920 --> 02:29:11.600 Texas thing, that like paramilitary group, and he signed up 2424 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:13.559 for that when he was like twelve or something like that. 2425 02:29:13.559 --> 02:29:15.600 That's when he first met David Ferry. And then later 2426 02:29:15.639 --> 02:29:18.200 on he's an adult after all this stuff and he 2427 02:29:18.239 --> 02:29:19.520 finds himself working for the guy. 2428 02:29:19.559 --> 02:29:20.159 Isn't that weird? 2429 02:29:21.600 --> 02:29:25.639 Mm hmm. Yeah, it's that hall of mirrors. See, this 2430 02:29:25.719 --> 02:29:28.159 is this is where we're at. We're at the bottom 2431 02:29:28.200 --> 02:29:30.559 of the Hall of Mirrors. Except today, at the bottom 2432 02:29:30.600 --> 02:29:33.879 of the Hall of Mirrors, we've got eighty thousand new 2433 02:29:33.959 --> 02:29:37.680 pages of crap to sort through. So being at the 2434 02:29:37.719 --> 02:29:40.120 bottom of the rabbit hole Hall of Mirrors, the floor 2435 02:29:40.239 --> 02:29:43.799 just fell out from under us. And now it's just like, Okay, 2436 02:29:45.360 --> 02:29:49.159 smart people with good databases and web front ends, I 2437 02:29:49.159 --> 02:29:52.079 guess it's your turn to to you know, take over. 2438 02:29:53.440 --> 02:29:55.040 You know this is perfect for AI. 2439 02:29:55.360 --> 02:29:59.799 Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, there can be some some great 2440 02:30:00.120 --> 02:30:00.799 f's made there. 2441 02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:05.760 Perhaps, So let's see feed the documents to Groth and 2442 02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:09.079 Chat GPT and ask them who did it, ask. 2443 02:30:08.959 --> 02:30:11.959 Them to make us a new Netflix documentary to tell 2444 02:30:12.079 --> 02:30:14.319 us where the smoking gun is. 2445 02:30:16.200 --> 02:30:18.040 I remember at the end of the Nick Cage movie, 2446 02:30:18.079 --> 02:30:22.079 at the end of the Rock, right when the conclusion 2447 02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:24.920 of the movie is like Sean Connery, who was m 2448 02:30:25.000 --> 02:30:28.040 I six in the movie or he was sas tells 2449 02:30:28.079 --> 02:30:30.200 him some secret and then he's like gets married and 2450 02:30:30.239 --> 02:30:32.200 he goes to some church in like Kansas and he 2451 02:30:32.280 --> 02:30:34.040 runs out and what does he have in his hands? 2452 02:30:34.600 --> 02:30:40.639 The JFK Yeah right right yeah, fleety in the chat 2453 02:30:40.799 --> 02:30:42.959 is keep in mind the route changed to the plaza 2454 02:30:42.959 --> 02:30:46.479 at the last minute. That's right. I mentioned that briefly earlier. 2455 02:30:47.040 --> 02:30:50.239 Why that is significant is because JFK's car rate was 2456 02:30:50.360 --> 02:30:53.680 changed at the last minute by Dallas mayor then Earl Cabell. 2457 02:30:54.760 --> 02:30:59.680 Earl was the brother of Deputy Director of CIA, Charles P. Cabell, 2458 02:31:00.360 --> 02:31:04.600 and Earle had been a CIA asset since nineteen fifty six. 2459 02:31:05.639 --> 02:31:10.120 It's also worth noting that Kennedy dismissed CIA Director Alan 2460 02:31:10.200 --> 02:31:13.879 Dallas in November of sixty one, and that Earl Cabell's 2461 02:31:14.000 --> 02:31:18.920 brother Charles left the CIA at the end of January 2462 02:31:19.000 --> 02:31:22.959 in nineteen sixty two after Kennedy forced him to resign, 2463 02:31:24.159 --> 02:31:28.040 and you know, and then both Dallas and Charles Cabell 2464 02:31:28.159 --> 02:31:31.399 were no longer working for the CIA on November twenty second, 2465 02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:35.840 nineteen sixty three, when Kennedy was killed. Clearly the type 2466 02:31:35.879 --> 02:31:39.399 of people that could have a grudge though, So yeah, 2467 02:31:39.520 --> 02:31:39.920 that's yeah. 2468 02:31:40.159 --> 02:31:44.000 Not to mention, Fletcher Prouty was the guy who said 2469 02:31:44.000 --> 02:31:46.520 that he got the headline that Kennedy had been assassinated 2470 02:31:46.920 --> 02:31:51.200 at his base in New Zealand the twelve hours ahead 2471 02:31:51.239 --> 02:31:53.840 of the assassination. That was Remember that was Fletcher Prowdy, 2472 02:31:54.040 --> 02:31:57.319 right right. The Donald Sutherland character mister ax. 2473 02:31:57.719 --> 02:32:04.040 Yeah, all right. Another thing I had I talked about 2474 02:32:04.079 --> 02:32:09.239 earlier today is the ICA, the International Cooperation Administration. This 2475 02:32:11.000 --> 02:32:14.600 organization was disbanded after the Bay of Pigs in sixty 2476 02:32:14.680 --> 02:32:20.360 one JFK. Under JFK, of course, the US tried to 2477 02:32:20.360 --> 02:32:23.959 invade Cuba during the Cold War there using a humanitarian 2478 02:32:24.040 --> 02:32:28.479 and foreign aid as a front. Does this sound familiar? So, 2479 02:32:29.120 --> 02:32:32.120 as I said earlier, Kennedy denied air support to that 2480 02:32:32.280 --> 02:32:35.399 kind of doomed the operation. And that's where that rift 2481 02:32:35.440 --> 02:32:39.360 form between Kennedy and the Intel agencies. And that's when 2482 02:32:39.399 --> 02:32:42.000 he talked about scattering the CIA to the wind. But 2483 02:32:42.479 --> 02:32:46.719 five months later, JFK shut down the ICA in an 2484 02:32:46.719 --> 02:32:51.239 attempt to stop unaccountable covert operations. And guess what he did. 2485 02:32:51.959 --> 02:32:56.159 He started a new agency, ostensibly with the intent for 2486 02:32:56.520 --> 02:32:59.360 this agency to be more accountable to the State Department. 2487 02:32:59.600 --> 02:33:06.200 And this agency was named us AI d TTFO. I'm 2488 02:33:06.239 --> 02:33:10.440 not even kidding. So so here we have this situation 2489 02:33:10.760 --> 02:33:13.040 just kind of you can you could ease almost easily 2490 02:33:13.079 --> 02:33:15.719 graft a lot of these vignettes and situations on what 2491 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:19.159 we're seeing right now. It's amazing you've got competing Intel 2492 02:33:19.239 --> 02:33:24.159 agencies including the CIA's State Department, others, Masade probably even 2493 02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:28.000 all using this ICA as their cover to do spook 2494 02:33:28.120 --> 02:33:34.319 operations to include assassinations, regime change, gun running, drug running, 2495 02:33:34.799 --> 02:33:37.440 working with organized crime, which by the way, makes you 2496 02:33:37.520 --> 02:33:40.799 part of organized crime. We'll put that aside, though, arming 2497 02:33:40.840 --> 02:33:44.319 and fomenting rebel groups. You know, it's like this twisted 2498 02:33:44.479 --> 02:33:50.399 ven diagram of corrupt, violent ideologues, having intel turf wars 2499 02:33:50.959 --> 02:33:57.159 internally and internationally, and USAID was created to to sort 2500 02:33:57.159 --> 02:34:00.399 of be the answer to this, right, That's that's something 2501 02:34:00.440 --> 02:34:02.959 that JFK was trying to do when he created us 2502 02:34:02.959 --> 02:34:05.639 A I D. But that didn't work out very well, 2503 02:34:05.680 --> 02:34:06.879 did it well. 2504 02:34:06.920 --> 02:34:11.159 The entire the entire Cuban operation was against his wishes. 2505 02:34:11.200 --> 02:34:13.120 He expressly said that he didn't want any of it 2506 02:34:13.159 --> 02:34:14.920 to happen. It wasn't just that he pulled the air 2507 02:34:15.040 --> 02:34:17.040 the air support out they went. They did the whole 2508 02:34:17.040 --> 02:34:19.959 thing despite him. So that's why I was pissed. When 2509 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:22.000 they they asked him for air support, he was like, no, 2510 02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:24.680 I specifically ordered you not to do the thing. That's 2511 02:34:24.680 --> 02:34:26.399 why Dulles was mad, and that's why I ended up 2512 02:34:26.440 --> 02:34:30.680 firing Dulles not to mention that that, Yeah, it's contradictory 2513 02:34:30.680 --> 02:34:33.280 because Kennedy also was the guy who was around when 2514 02:34:33.280 --> 02:34:37.319 they founded the Navy Seals officially and when they was 2515 02:34:37.399 --> 02:34:41.799 it Seer School what's the the uh Special Operations School 2516 02:34:42.319 --> 02:34:44.200 that was that was approved by him, and he founded that. 2517 02:34:46.079 --> 02:34:47.600 But he was against. 2518 02:34:47.399 --> 02:34:50.719 The assassinations in Vietnam. 2519 02:34:51.120 --> 02:34:52.879 Uh. He did not like the thing that happened with 2520 02:34:52.959 --> 02:34:54.760 La Mamba UH. 2521 02:34:54.760 --> 02:34:56.600 And I think I think the point of all that 2522 02:34:56.799 --> 02:34:59.920 is that post World War Two, when we're a stat 2523 02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:02.639 ablishing the global you know it's it's the twin Pillars 2524 02:35:02.639 --> 02:35:06.159 of the global hegemony or whatever, that all of these 2525 02:35:06.200 --> 02:35:10.600 things threatened the stabilization of the system that's been set up, 2526 02:35:10.719 --> 02:35:14.360 and that he did not like the back, you know, 2527 02:35:14.399 --> 02:35:17.799 behind the back of you know, all this secretive ship 2528 02:35:18.120 --> 02:35:21.319 that the CIA and all these people were doing, because 2529 02:35:21.319 --> 02:35:22.840 they would ask him for permission, he would say no, 2530 02:35:22.879 --> 02:35:25.360 and then they would do it anyway, So of course 2531 02:35:25.360 --> 02:35:28.280 he would be pissed. But their thing, like you were 2532 02:35:28.280 --> 02:35:30.719 mentioning earlier, is like that scene in the movie Nixon, 2533 02:35:30.799 --> 02:35:34.719 the Oliverstone movie Nixon, where he does a surprise visit 2534 02:35:34.760 --> 02:35:38.840 to Richard helms At at Langley and Elms in that scene. 2535 02:35:38.840 --> 02:35:39.520 I think this is true. 2536 02:35:39.559 --> 02:35:42.360 Helms like admonished him for not calling ahead, and he 2537 02:35:42.440 --> 02:35:44.239 was like, look, you're the president and you're here for 2538 02:35:44.399 --> 02:35:47.200 you know, four years, but we're we never leave where. 2539 02:35:47.239 --> 02:35:48.360 We're always going to be here. 2540 02:35:48.399 --> 02:36:00.399 And Nixon was like, Crocker, it's a good Nixon, right, 2541 02:36:01.959 --> 02:36:05.840 all right, let's see here. Some comments from the gallery here, 2542 02:36:06.719 --> 02:36:08.959 going back up toward the top here, Jason says, Mark 2543 02:36:09.040 --> 02:36:13.239 is fascinating, great takes. Thank you, thank you. Let's see here. 2544 02:36:14.479 --> 02:36:17.399 Bub Scott says we were talking. Mark was talking references 2545 02:36:17.399 --> 02:36:21.000 Colombo often. He says, I've been screaming that same analogy 2546 02:36:21.040 --> 02:36:26.600 for years. Apparently Colombo series could never work nowadays. Whiskey Tango, 2547 02:36:26.680 --> 02:36:31.799 fox trot, Yeah, exactly. Let's see here. I had a 2548 02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:35.440 couple others. This was really nice of you, bub Scott. 2549 02:36:36.040 --> 02:36:38.319 You guys are clearly on the very short list of 2550 02:36:38.399 --> 02:36:42.159 legit contributors to this effort. It's an absolute tragedy. There 2551 02:36:42.159 --> 02:36:45.920 aren't thousands here on the stream. Yeah, agreed, I mean 2552 02:36:46.040 --> 02:36:47.920 at least of that last part, and thank you for 2553 02:36:47.959 --> 02:36:50.879 the first part. It's nice of you to say, and 2554 02:36:52.079 --> 02:36:56.280 hopefully we'll get there. We should definitely be getting there. 2555 02:36:56.360 --> 02:36:59.479 So if you're watching this, jump in these comments, do 2556 02:36:59.559 --> 02:37:02.799 all the things that video streaming platforms want you to 2557 02:37:02.840 --> 02:37:08.200 do to make sure that we're all getting the eyeballs on. 2558 02:37:08.159 --> 02:37:11.600 Us that Karen in the Rumble chat so she didn't 2559 02:37:11.639 --> 02:37:14.319 know we were live. Karen would do this every Thursday night, 2560 02:37:14.520 --> 02:37:17.600 So put it on your calendar. If it's Thursday, Spoiler Room. 2561 02:37:17.479 --> 02:37:20.440 Yeah, Thursday night. And if you if Rumble is your 2562 02:37:20.479 --> 02:37:24.120 preferred platform, be sure and subscribe to the boiler Room 2563 02:37:24.200 --> 02:37:28.079 channel and do the notification thingy. And if you have 2564 02:37:28.159 --> 02:37:31.159 a smartphone, it'll tell you if you have the app. 2565 02:37:31.200 --> 02:37:33.719 When we go live, it'll pop a little thing y 2566 02:37:33.879 --> 02:37:38.639 up if you're into that kind of tech. Let's see 2567 02:37:38.920 --> 02:37:41.520 here other side of the mountain. What's up? 2568 02:37:42.239 --> 02:37:42.440 Says? 2569 02:37:42.479 --> 02:37:45.639 What about the audio of Clifton Carter, executive director of 2570 02:37:45.760 --> 02:37:49.360 DNC and close associate of LBJ, admitting the LVJ hired 2571 02:37:49.360 --> 02:37:54.239 Mac Wallace to assassinate JFK. There you go, yep, I 2572 02:37:54.239 --> 02:37:59.079 think we talked about that a little bit. Anything further 2573 02:37:59.120 --> 02:38:00.000 you want to add on that one? 2574 02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:03.600 Based well, I think that one's that one's pretty interesting, 2575 02:38:03.840 --> 02:38:07.360 and uh, it's been out for a while, but not 2576 02:38:07.440 --> 02:38:09.879 many people you know, really still know about that one. 2577 02:38:09.959 --> 02:38:11.799 And also you know the Nicks, and everyone knows the 2578 02:38:11.920 --> 02:38:14.280 Nixon tapes, but people should listen to the LBJ tapes. 2579 02:38:14.280 --> 02:38:17.520 They're very funny, like get get the guardho makes my 2580 02:38:17.639 --> 02:38:21.360 parents up here? You know, they're too tight. But mack 2581 02:38:21.440 --> 02:38:23.879 Wallace is mentioned in the thing and Mac Wallias, Malcolm 2582 02:38:23.920 --> 02:38:28.360 Wallace was apparently, I mean, I guess it's known that 2583 02:38:28.440 --> 02:38:33.120 he was lbj's personal hit man, who was an interesting, interesting, 2584 02:38:33.200 --> 02:38:38.719 shady character, you know, very smart, college class president, war veteran, 2585 02:38:38.760 --> 02:38:41.280 all this stuff, and then one day walked into a 2586 02:38:41.319 --> 02:38:43.680 country club where he found his wife cheating with some 2587 02:38:43.799 --> 02:38:47.719 guy and he just smoked and walked out and got 2588 02:38:47.760 --> 02:38:52.200 away with it and then apparently carried out lbj's dirty deeds. 2589 02:38:52.360 --> 02:38:56.639 And in that tape, you know, it's it states that 2590 02:38:56.440 --> 02:38:58.840 that this was an LBJ. You know that he knew 2591 02:38:58.879 --> 02:39:01.879 about it at the very least. Who knows if it's 2592 02:39:01.920 --> 02:39:04.360 real or not, if it's authentic or what, but it 2593 02:39:04.399 --> 02:39:07.479 wouldn't surprise me to find that mac Wallace was the 2594 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:11.000 guy on the Grassy Knoll or one of them. And 2595 02:39:11.040 --> 02:39:14.799 then of course he later passed away in a car 2596 02:39:14.840 --> 02:39:16.079 crash in the middle of the day, in the middle 2597 02:39:16.079 --> 02:39:16.520 of nowhere. 2598 02:39:18.200 --> 02:39:22.079 How about that? HAPs how about that? Okay? Yeah, and 2599 02:39:22.120 --> 02:39:23.959 the other side of the mountain, thanks again for that one. 2600 02:39:24.639 --> 02:39:28.840 Other side also says released by Billy soul Estes grandson, 2601 02:39:28.920 --> 02:39:30.719 and there's a YouTube link there, so I'll do my 2602 02:39:30.799 --> 02:39:32.920 best to get that on the show page so folks 2603 02:39:32.959 --> 02:39:37.360 can check that out for themselves. Let's see here. What 2604 02:39:37.440 --> 02:39:45.520 else do we get? You guys got some funny comments. 2605 02:39:45.559 --> 02:39:51.799 I'm digging reading them. Yeah, this one. I saw this 2606 02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:55.000 one come through from from my lean. You would think 2607 02:39:55.120 --> 02:39:58.239 that guy would want the blood tested referring to the 2608 02:39:58.319 --> 02:40:02.440 doctor that had that. Yeah, you gotta wonder why he 2609 02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:08.760 clammed up once that idea was proposed to him. What 2610 02:40:08.799 --> 02:40:15.040 else do we got? Ban Hammer explains why they quickly 2611 02:40:15.040 --> 02:40:16.959 re upholstered the limma and put it back in the 2612 02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:22.120 motorcade pool. Yep, definitely something to think about there. We 2613 02:40:22.159 --> 02:40:26.040 had some fun banter about Donald Trump's ear on the 2614 02:40:26.200 --> 02:40:30.239 side that was pretty good. You should be in our 2615 02:40:30.239 --> 02:40:32.959 comments section. We got some great ones in here across 2616 02:40:33.000 --> 02:40:36.319 all the platforms. And by the way, if you're watching 2617 02:40:36.399 --> 02:40:39.280 us on X, thanks, it's great to be back with you. 2618 02:40:39.280 --> 02:40:42.639 We've been off X for a few episodes here and 2619 02:40:42.719 --> 02:40:46.319 with a little bit of listener support, support from our friends, 2620 02:40:47.079 --> 02:40:49.680 we are back on X this week. Very happy to 2621 02:40:49.719 --> 02:40:53.600 be back, So shout out to everybody on the X platform. 2622 02:40:54.479 --> 02:40:59.000 Can I add to the Trump thing that kind of 2623 02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:03.520 contradicts the idea that cell phones everywhere, you know, will 2624 02:41:03.559 --> 02:41:06.159 prevent something like this happening. I mean everyone there had 2625 02:41:06.200 --> 02:41:08.840 a cell phone. There are multiple videos of the thing 2626 02:41:08.920 --> 02:41:12.079 leading up to it with Trump, yet it didn't do anything, 2627 02:41:12.120 --> 02:41:14.440 and the guy was still there and they didn't stop him, 2628 02:41:14.440 --> 02:41:17.719 and you know, whatever happened still happened, and even afterwards, 2629 02:41:17.719 --> 02:41:21.479 it's still the photographs of the supposed on a live shooter. 2630 02:41:21.600 --> 02:41:23.799 It's like, yeah, but is this even the same guy, 2631 02:41:23.920 --> 02:41:26.440 because you know what about this other guy, the ears 2632 02:41:26.440 --> 02:41:29.159 are different. I mean, there's just no even if people 2633 02:41:29.239 --> 02:41:33.200 are right there and they see it in person. Like 2634 02:41:33.239 --> 02:41:35.120 with the Zappruver film, you know, if you play the 2635 02:41:35.120 --> 02:41:37.920 whole thing from start to finish, it's like three seconds. 2636 02:41:39.239 --> 02:41:41.000 It's so fast. It happens so fast. 2637 02:41:41.040 --> 02:41:43.680 Jackie you know, jumps back the headshot and then they're 2638 02:41:43.719 --> 02:41:48.120 gone and that's it. So you know, I guess this 2639 02:41:48.200 --> 02:41:49.840 sort of plays on that. I don't think we're ever 2640 02:41:49.879 --> 02:41:52.239 gonna know for sure any of you know what happened 2641 02:41:52.239 --> 02:41:57.520 with this stuff. But nevertheless, the document releases I think 2642 02:41:57.639 --> 02:41:58.479 is pretty interesting. 2643 02:41:58.520 --> 02:41:59.680 People should dive into it. 2644 02:42:00.159 --> 02:42:04.280 Yeah, yeah, definitely agreed. Let's see here. Van Hammer says, 2645 02:42:04.319 --> 02:42:08.079 I completely forgot that Bruce Campbell, that Bruce Campbell movie existed. Yeah, 2646 02:42:08.120 --> 02:42:12.159 it's great, it's a classic. This is a good one 2647 02:42:12.319 --> 02:42:17.120 from Vinyl pilled Wi. Sadly, that's how lots of dumps work, 2648 02:42:17.239 --> 02:42:21.040 no real order, very hard to follow, lots of pages, 2649 02:42:21.280 --> 02:42:26.239 lots of files within files. Yeah, exactly, that's what we 2650 02:42:26.319 --> 02:42:30.399 got this time. But at least we're not super redacted 2651 02:42:30.600 --> 02:42:36.840 like we were with the supposed Epstein files. There and. 2652 02:42:39.319 --> 02:42:41.399 I had heard there were a couple people talking about 2653 02:42:41.399 --> 02:42:43.879 I think Jason Burmas was discussing this that one of 2654 02:42:43.920 --> 02:42:46.520 the things that's been revealed in the documents that used 2655 02:42:46.520 --> 02:42:49.040 to be redacted, or I guess there was another form 2656 02:42:49.040 --> 02:42:51.079 of it. But anyways, some of the information that's come 2657 02:42:51.120 --> 02:42:53.840 out includes the fact that the CIA was covering, trying 2658 02:42:53.840 --> 02:42:57.479 to hide the fact that they were using biological warfare 2659 02:42:57.760 --> 02:43:01.840 tests on somebody somewhere. You know anything about this based. 2660 02:43:02.639 --> 02:43:04.639 I haven't said no, I haven't seen that one yet, 2661 02:43:04.680 --> 02:43:07.520 but I'm sure that's in there because that was that, 2662 02:43:07.680 --> 02:43:10.200 you know, all that stuff precedes immediately the Kennedy thing. 2663 02:43:10.239 --> 02:43:13.680 I mean, that's the Frank Olsen stuff, the Korean War. 2664 02:43:16.719 --> 02:43:18.680 If anything, it just goes to show you that, like 2665 02:43:18.799 --> 02:43:24.079 why have Manchurian candidate Candy Jones to do stuff when 2666 02:43:24.120 --> 02:43:27.079 I like a guy like Oswald fits the total description 2667 02:43:27.200 --> 02:43:30.719 of the guy like this. He has all the hallmarks 2668 02:43:30.760 --> 02:43:35.280 of the CIA run monarch, you know, assassin god, but 2669 02:43:35.399 --> 02:43:38.079 without like a mind control element to the point where 2670 02:43:38.120 --> 02:43:40.079 he's just like, you know, blank eyed and running around. 2671 02:43:40.159 --> 02:43:41.959 He's like still a real guy, but he's like buying 2672 02:43:42.040 --> 02:43:47.120 into it and it worked. But I haven't seen anything 2673 02:43:47.159 --> 02:43:50.479 with with with the bio weapons in this one. 2674 02:43:50.879 --> 02:43:53.520 Maybe it was something that doctor feel Good prescribed and. 2675 02:43:56.639 --> 02:44:00.799 Right, uh okay, let's see here, all right. Thanks for 2676 02:44:00.840 --> 02:44:03.479 all the great comments, and shout out to everybody in 2677 02:44:03.559 --> 02:44:05.920 our discord as well. If you're not in our discord, 2678 02:44:05.920 --> 02:44:09.319 you should get in there. We got a lot of 2679 02:44:09.360 --> 02:44:11.799 our We got over five hundred friends in there in 2680 02:44:11.879 --> 02:44:13.840 our discord, so come on in and join that. We 2681 02:44:13.920 --> 02:44:16.040 got a lot of channels in there for you, and 2682 02:44:16.120 --> 02:44:19.319 again it'd urge you to support Alternate Current Radio and 2683 02:44:19.360 --> 02:44:22.920 the Boiler Room and the Daily Ruckus. We have all 2684 02:44:22.920 --> 02:44:25.959 those links on our website. Alternate Current Radio dot com 2685 02:44:26.000 --> 02:44:27.760 is where you find us, where you'll find the show 2686 02:44:27.840 --> 02:44:30.360 page with all the reference links and stuff. Once we're 2687 02:44:30.399 --> 02:44:36.360 done with the post production on this sukka and with that, 2688 02:44:36.559 --> 02:44:38.360 I think I'm gonna go around the room we've been 2689 02:44:38.399 --> 02:44:39.959 on for a bit here and go around the room. 2690 02:44:40.040 --> 02:44:42.680 Let you guys get back to your lives here, Mystical Pharaoh, 2691 02:44:42.799 --> 02:44:43.879 I'll go to you first. 2692 02:44:43.920 --> 02:44:44.040 Man. 2693 02:44:44.079 --> 02:44:45.719 You know you saved rounds or final thoughts you want 2694 02:44:45.719 --> 02:44:47.959 to throw into this episode of Boiler Room. 2695 02:44:49.680 --> 02:44:53.479 No, I mean I think we we covered pretty much. 2696 02:44:53.520 --> 02:44:57.159 I mean I enjoyed the different theories and the conversation 2697 02:44:57.239 --> 02:45:02.840 around this. I think it's a different perspective. Have I 2698 02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:04.959 listened to a bunch of spaces and I haven't seen 2699 02:45:05.000 --> 02:45:09.399 that presented anywhere else, So I hope I would listen 2700 02:45:09.440 --> 02:45:13.840 to the tuned in today enjoyed that, and uh, we'll 2701 02:45:13.840 --> 02:45:14.879 see you guys next week. 2702 02:45:15.000 --> 02:45:17.239 Hey man. Leave it to leave it to Mark Anderson 2703 02:45:17.280 --> 02:45:20.399 in the Boiler Room to bring a conspiracy theory that 2704 02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:26.120 has not been widely discussed this week on this topic, 2705 02:45:26.680 --> 02:45:28.239 so it was great to have you with us. Man. 2706 02:45:28.280 --> 02:45:29.399 I hope to see you next week. 2707 02:45:29.840 --> 02:45:30.360 Thanks man. 2708 02:45:30.639 --> 02:45:34.760 All Right, mister Coil Pharaoh is out Baselet analyzer over 2709 02:45:34.799 --> 02:45:36.719 to you, man, save around front. Thoughts anything else you 2710 02:45:36.719 --> 02:45:37.639 went through out here tonight. 2711 02:45:38.639 --> 02:45:42.159 Yeah, I'm walking away from this whole thing, just sort 2712 02:45:42.159 --> 02:45:44.120 of thinking what I did before and there's nothing to 2713 02:45:44.639 --> 02:45:46.760 change that totally believable. 2714 02:45:47.000 --> 02:45:49.680 And I don't know. 2715 02:45:49.719 --> 02:45:51.719 I think that there are a number of good movies 2716 02:45:51.719 --> 02:45:53.959 and books about this stuff. Don't forget Clint Easwood in 2717 02:45:54.000 --> 02:45:57.239 the Line of Fire, which is interesting because the Secret 2718 02:45:57.280 --> 02:46:00.680 Service guys name was Clint. Also it's John Malcatraz an assassin. 2719 02:46:01.360 --> 02:46:03.680 The series I think it was called Thirteen or Thirteen 2720 02:46:03.760 --> 02:46:06.600 Days with James Franco, which is interesting. It's an interesting take, 2721 02:46:07.840 --> 02:46:10.399 and a bunch of good books. Don Delillo's Libra, especially 2722 02:46:11.719 --> 02:46:15.280 the book The Devil's the Was It The Devil's Chessboard 2723 02:46:15.440 --> 02:46:19.280 on Alan Dulles, The John Prattos book on Cia. All 2724 02:46:19.319 --> 02:46:23.559 these things discuss this in depth. But overall, I just 2725 02:46:23.600 --> 02:46:26.719 think it's important to look into this stuff. I mean, 2726 02:46:26.799 --> 02:46:29.600 you know, one thing about the document release, like without 2727 02:46:29.719 --> 02:46:34.040 without you know, rills or accoutreml is the fact that 2728 02:46:34.120 --> 02:46:36.799 like they just put it there, and I think that's good. 2729 02:46:36.959 --> 02:46:40.360 So it lets us to work on it and that's fine. 2730 02:46:40.399 --> 02:46:43.000 Hopefully we'll we'll find some stuff out, but people should 2731 02:46:43.000 --> 02:46:43.520 dive into it. 2732 02:46:43.559 --> 02:46:44.040 Other than that. 2733 02:46:44.600 --> 02:46:47.680 Thanks guys, appreciate you having me here. And I'm gonna 2734 02:46:47.680 --> 02:46:49.680 be doing some stuff tomorrow night on YouTube. So come 2735 02:46:49.680 --> 02:46:50.639 to my YouTube and check it out. 2736 02:46:50.639 --> 02:46:52.000 Bas Let Analyzer piece. 2737 02:46:51.959 --> 02:46:55.159 All right, thanks, Baselet Analyzer on YouTube. Be sure you're 2738 02:46:55.159 --> 02:47:00.440 subscribed over there. And ruckets over to you. Oh man, 2739 02:47:00.680 --> 02:47:02.719 how did we get a black box there? That's weird? 2740 02:47:02.760 --> 02:47:03.719 Over to you? Ruckus? 2741 02:47:04.799 --> 02:47:05.959 Am I am? I am? 2742 02:47:05.959 --> 02:47:06.319 I good? 2743 02:47:06.440 --> 02:47:06.959 You're good? 2744 02:47:07.120 --> 02:47:11.639 Yeah I was. There was a quote that I wanted 2745 02:47:11.719 --> 02:47:14.920 to share from JFK and I couldn't find it in time, 2746 02:47:14.920 --> 02:47:19.559 but he had said something about the poor versus the rich. 2747 02:47:19.639 --> 02:47:21.879 Here it is. This is for Elon Musk, because Elon 2748 02:47:21.959 --> 02:47:24.559 Musk is having a rough time right now with all 2749 02:47:24.600 --> 02:47:27.959 of his tesla's and his dealerships blowing up. But I 2750 02:47:27.959 --> 02:47:30.280 guess he was bitching and moaning about it, and our 2751 02:47:30.319 --> 02:47:32.799 friend Patrick Kenningson had a good time trolling him back 2752 02:47:32.840 --> 02:47:35.040 and I joined in because he's the richest dudent on 2753 02:47:35.079 --> 02:47:39.360 the planet. But JFK did say at a commencement address 2754 02:47:39.479 --> 02:47:42.000 or something like that or his inaugural address, that's right, 2755 02:47:42.079 --> 02:47:46.000 January twentieth, nineteen sixty one. If a free society cannot 2756 02:47:46.040 --> 02:47:48.719 help the many who are poor, it cannot save the 2757 02:47:48.799 --> 02:47:52.600 few who are rich. Thanks for having me, Hesher, God 2758 02:47:52.600 --> 02:47:54.319 bless each and every one of you, and may God 2759 02:47:54.440 --> 02:47:55.680 save this republic. 2760 02:47:55.920 --> 02:47:59.440 Ruckus out all right, there goes Ruckus. Check our website 2761 02:47:59.559 --> 02:48:03.879 for the Daily Ruckus. Check our rumble Daily Ruckus over 2762 02:48:03.879 --> 02:48:05.639 there as well. We got a new one coming to 2763 02:48:05.680 --> 02:48:07.840 you real soon. It's going to be a banger. It 2764 02:48:07.879 --> 02:48:13.760 is highly produced and it is an epic multi part 2765 02:48:14.360 --> 02:48:18.399 episode of Daily Ruckus. We're all looking forward to it. Yeah, 2766 02:48:18.440 --> 02:48:20.520 So thanks for being here tonight, and you know, I 2767 02:48:20.520 --> 02:48:25.120 guess I'll just close by saying it appears that things 2768 02:48:25.159 --> 02:48:28.559 are as have many have said for decades. Our own 2769 02:48:28.639 --> 02:48:34.399 government was most likely involved in the assassination or an 2770 02:48:34.399 --> 02:48:38.879 assassination situation of a sitting American president who wanted to 2771 02:48:38.959 --> 02:48:42.319 end a war, curb the influence of a foreign government 2772 02:48:43.079 --> 02:48:47.399 on the American government. And what did they do after 2773 02:48:47.440 --> 02:48:52.360 they did that, They created a term conspiracy theorist and 2774 02:48:52.399 --> 02:48:56.639 weaponized it so that the connotation in the term is, 2775 02:48:57.639 --> 02:49:01.719 if you question the government narrative aka the Warren Report 2776 02:49:01.799 --> 02:49:06.600 in this case, you are not right in the head. 2777 02:49:07.479 --> 02:49:12.559 You are potentially dangerous. You're anti American, and now maybe 2778 02:49:12.559 --> 02:49:16.319 you're anti Semitic too, if you're really looking deep in 2779 02:49:16.399 --> 02:49:21.959 the rabbit hole. Still, look at how they slow rolled 2780 02:49:22.000 --> 02:49:27.920 this information out over six decades, actually fomenting and allowing 2781 02:49:28.040 --> 02:49:35.440 and stage managing conspiracy theories, actually promoting alternative narratives, and 2782 02:49:35.520 --> 02:49:40.239 slow feeding the American public this trash while demonizing anyone 2783 02:49:40.280 --> 02:49:46.440 who questioned the official narrative. Friends, this is a psyops 2784 02:49:46.479 --> 02:49:53.000 tactic widely used by our intel communities, open you know, 2785 02:49:53.079 --> 02:49:56.479 and spoken of. There's books about it all. There's tons 2786 02:49:56.520 --> 02:49:59.319 of information and one can dive into. This is a 2787 02:49:59.440 --> 02:50:04.719 psy ops tactic used widely by all the intel communities 2788 02:50:05.840 --> 02:50:10.399 in regime change operations and setting the stage for wars. 2789 02:50:13.040 --> 02:50:16.719 And what happened after JFK's assassination, Well, the war in 2790 02:50:16.840 --> 02:50:23.239 Vietnam escalated, and this psyop has been wielded as a 2791 02:50:23.280 --> 02:50:28.120 blunt weapon against all of us for decades, and they 2792 02:50:28.200 --> 02:50:31.479 piled on top of it with similar syops about WMDs 2793 02:50:31.600 --> 02:50:36.639 leading up to the Iraq War, nine to eleven, COVID 2794 02:50:36.760 --> 02:50:41.959 lab leaks, forced vaccinations, the manipulation of our currency, Waco, 2795 02:50:42.040 --> 02:50:46.520 Ruby Ridger, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Las Vegas, Boston bombing, Bernardino, 2796 02:50:46.559 --> 02:50:51.559 San Bardino, ninety three World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, Bin 2797 02:50:51.639 --> 02:50:56.559 Laden's life and death and affiliations isis al Qaida Hamas 2798 02:50:56.760 --> 02:51:01.559 Santinista's Mexican cartels. The fish narrative on every single one 2799 02:51:01.559 --> 02:51:04.280 of those, plus dozens of other incidents I didn't mention, 2800 02:51:04.559 --> 02:51:09.120 have the same modus operandi, And when one looks deep 2801 02:51:09.239 --> 02:51:12.760 enough into any of those situations, all you can do 2802 02:51:13.000 --> 02:51:17.360 is ask more questions and then be labeled a conspiracy theorist. 2803 02:51:20.920 --> 02:51:23.920 The revelation here is not who killed JFK. The revelation 2804 02:51:24.360 --> 02:51:30.639 is the CIA and their affiliates are willing and able 2805 02:51:30.840 --> 02:51:35.600 and have most likely assassinated a president to change policy. 2806 02:51:39.079 --> 02:51:43.799 That is where we're at, So, conspiracy theorists, we'll see 2807 02:51:43.799 --> 02:51:46.079 you next time right here in the boiler room. Have 2808 02:51:46.159 --> 02:51:48.120 a great rest of the week. Join us for Sunday 2809 02:51:48.120 --> 02:51:52.319 Wire and I will be broadcasting at Thepulse Dot Today 2810 02:51:52.479 --> 02:51:56.479 Monday through Friday at let's see here if I can 2811 02:51:56.520 --> 02:52:00.840 do the maths right in my brain at four Postern 2812 02:52:01.600 --> 02:52:05.520 three pm Central and no, wait, no, no, no, I'm wrong. 2813 02:52:05.879 --> 02:52:09.559 Let me go in the other direction. Noon Pacific time, 2814 02:52:09.719 --> 02:52:15.000 two pm Central time, three pm Eastern time. Check out 2815 02:52:15.000 --> 02:52:18.000 the Brian McClean Show on Pulse Radio two. It's up 2816 02:52:18.040 --> 02:52:20.040 there in the main menu at the Pulse Dot Today, 2817 02:52:21.079 --> 02:52:24.280 and join me in the live chat over there. Join 2818 02:52:24.399 --> 02:52:27.319 me and Eileen and all our other friends that are 2819 02:52:27.360 --> 02:52:30.200 piling back into that live interactive chat over there at 2820 02:52:30.239 --> 02:52:33.479 the Pulse Dot today Today's News Talk. I'll be there 2821 02:52:33.559 --> 02:52:37.120 doing the Brian McClean Show Monday through Friday. All right, 2822 02:52:37.159 --> 02:52:41.520 we'll see you next week for another boiler room. 2823 02:52:41.760 --> 02:52:42.239 That's it. 2824 02:52:44.319 --> 02:52:57.000 Go ahead and run, run home and cry to mama.