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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to Game Mess Mornings with Me

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Jeff Greb, your host from giant bomb dot com.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we're gonna be talking about a new

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strategy that physical game fans are implementing in their campaign

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to counter Sony and why a square Enix still so weird.

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It's gonna be a good one because we have Sean

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McDowell on the show Turbo Sean, how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, Jeff. I am maybe a little tired

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because maybe I stayed up until two am playing the

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Token Bait until it ended with a friend who can say?

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Who can say?

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Speaker 2: I'm jealous?

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Speaker 1: I didn't get a single chance to play it at all. Well,

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you know what, let's just tell me real quick.

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Speaker 2: How was it? I mean, you say you.

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Speaker 1: Stayed Okay, hell yeah, it's got the GS man. Yeah,

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all right, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome. I was. Yeah. I played it on upf

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Ye with Will and the other guy, Jeff Backlar, and

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so yeah, they are neither one of them big fighting

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game fans, and so it was interesting talking to them

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explaining the game to them. Oh fun, Yeah, yeah, because

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Will's very much one of those I only play smash

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kind of guys, and then back layers just like keep

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me away from all this and so explaining to them like, okay,

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so to con has a very entry level thing where

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you can just match buns and cool stuff happens, but

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it's not necessarily gonna be very good. And then there's

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the next level beyond that of you can do chain

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combos of like light, medium, heavy, special attack, and that'll

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get you a more complicated combo and you can start

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thinking about things a little bit more. And then there's

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the high level where you just play like Marvel versus

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Capcom and people are zooping all over a place and

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you're getting six setups with green Goblin and stuff, and

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that's the real Syco stuff. I'd like that there's layers

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to token. I'm curious to see how the competitive scene

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really takes to it.

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Speaker 2: I will be as well. I I we can just

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have some a good time with it.

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Speaker 1: In any sense of like what that single player is

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going to be like, it seems like they really are

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going for something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Single player was in the beta. Interestingly, Yeah you did

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great beta because it had online casual modes, it had lobbies.

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They had public lobbies, private they had I said, casual

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as ranked matches as a training mode with tutorial, full tutorial,

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and three chapters of the story mode, so people could

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see what the single player yourself was like. And I

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think they're doing something very smart where ARC System works

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not super equick to do a big elaborate story mode

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like say Street Fighters six or teching a Mortal Kombat.

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So instead they are doing motion comics, and so they're

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telling the story through motion comics and the like. That's

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instead of like super elaborate cut scenes. They do that,

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then they cut to a fight kind of another realm

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style where you see a little more of a motion

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comic instead of a cut scene, and then get into

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a fight. It's a smart way for them to tackle

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something like that in a more traditional way without allocating

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a bunch of resources. And it's something they're not super

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experienced with yet, so I think I think it'll maybe

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a little simple compared to some of our big single paramodes,

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but at least there's something there that fits the theming

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of a comic book game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's a smart use of resources. Yeah, I

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always appreciate that, you know, they got to do something.

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They know how these games get reviewed, right, A lot

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of times that is just based on how people can

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play by themselves.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that's that's why I knocked Invincible Verses. I

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think is a very fun versus game, but not great

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single players. So it's good that token has a little

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more meat on the bone there.

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us quietly working on puzzles pen and paper puzzles at

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping people will really appreciate what they're going to

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Speaker 1: All right, we have a lot to get into, so

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let's start the morning mess with a quick PSA. Xbox

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does seem to be continuing to experience major outages. Microsoft

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says it's working to mitigate the problem, affecting sign ins,

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game library, store acts, as subscriptions, and app launches. The

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official status page does still show service alerts this morning,

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so if you're having problems there you go the all

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digital future. It's a game one, right, exactly. There's there's

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no escaping it. Even like a lot of times, this

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stuff does affect like those physical games, but it's it's

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definitely way worse. You're just trying to launching again that

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you have to authenticate on the.

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Speaker 3: Surgeme libraries is the one that I get.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that one always is very frustrating, exactly, all right.

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PlayStation fans are planning a week long blackout over Sony's

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disc decision.

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Speaker 2: This is from Sammy Barker at Push Square, as I write.

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Speaker 1: As I wrote in a recent article, Sony's run run

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out of goodwill with its most loyal fans, and the

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PS five disc of debacle is the straw that broke

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the camel's back. Now, engaged fans are rallying to organize

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a blackout which will see all like minded parties unplug

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their consoles from August twenty third to August thirtieth.

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Speaker 2: That's the idea, at least.

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Speaker 1: The idea is to send the company a message by

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hurting one of the statistics and treasures most active players.

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the platform holder had grown further apart from its fan base.

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The postal laments the loss of first party developers like

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Bluepoint in Japan Studio, as well as the abandonment of

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franchises such as Sly Cooper and Resistance. In fact, the

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letter is so strongly worded it concedes that bringing back

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physical games would only be meeting players halfway. While I

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Speaker 2: PlayStation has always existed.

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Speaker 1: To make as much money as possible, like any company,

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but there was a period during the latter days of

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where it seemed to genuinely care about its fan base

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because they're aligned with making money. That hasn't been the

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case for many years now. There's a full statement from

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the people that are organizing the SEAN, but basically it

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boils down to, yes, people have been getting loud and

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that's great, but we want to start pairing that up

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Speaker 2: To see this through.

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Speaker 1: Uh, there is reporting that like this is of there's

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a very strict messaging inside of Sony of never ever

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acknowledged this ever, and it's yeah, that's probably true. I

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think that if like you're dealing with this as someone

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who either works at Sony or works at one of

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but I'm making entertainment for you. This looks a lot

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like you know, times when people are mad about censorship

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and vagina bones or something like that, and it's hard.

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the tree the forest for the trees sometimes. So it's

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like I think people are like, we gotta really sort

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of make it clear that we're serious here.

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm of the opinion that, like, yeah, this

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planning to participate in this recognize that. But I think

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the fact that people still want to do something Sean

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Speaker 2: For a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, well let me start with I think with

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Sony they can't. I don't even think it's necessarily about

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separating out this outrage from the usual gamers are always

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angry outrage. I think it's more about the fact that, well,

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they can't change anything because this is the plan now, Like,

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this is what they're committing to. And there's multiple reasons

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they would want a digital future and the corporate red

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want maximizing profits. But there's also things like, you know,

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they cite the diminishing physical market. Sure, but there's also

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rumors of a handheld and like if they're focusing on

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handheld because console gaming is getting too expensive and we're

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the growing PC handheld market that's starting to overlap with

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a significantly smaller slice of the pie, they're going to

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want to double down and commit to that digital future

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where someone can buy a game once from them, play

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it on all their devices and it works out well

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for them because all the console makers, they look at

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people want to buy games digitally and the platform holder

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we want that for ourselves, and we've talked about it

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a lot at this point, but it just feels like

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PlayStation has jump the gun with that. They haven't led

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happen naturally and provide a service that people want to

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buy into. Instead, they're forcing it upon people. And that's

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how we get to this point of the rage of

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the anger of you're taking something away from me. I'm

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not making this choice. You are the next two years

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less than two years forcing me to make this decision.

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I don't want to do this. I'm going to be angry.

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I'm going to use whatever voice I have and get

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loud about it. That being said, this reaks a little

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bit of you know that meme the the Steam group

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boycott Modern Warfare two and then they're all playing Modern

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Warfare two. Like right, ah, words are.

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Speaker 2: Nice, that's how these go.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we'll see how many people commit to that.

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But also, dog, they got your money. They don't care

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if you're not playing your PlayStation. You're still spending a doughar.

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We add now six hundred dollars on a console and

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seventy dollars on games. They don't care if you don't

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play it that month. Like the thing that I'll send

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a message is if you don't buy games, if you

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stop subscribing a PlayStation plus, that's a big one for them.

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It's PlayStation plus nowadays, like don't feed money into the ecosystem.

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Walk away from the ecosystem is what sends them a

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message that they did something wrong. And ironically, there's only

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so much they can do be A PlayStation is not

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putting out a lot of games. Everyone's a weird situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, Wolverine would be the moment, and it's like that

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that really highlights just how difficult this would be, right

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because Wolverine is a mainstream, mass appealing game that would

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would reach I.

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Speaker 1: Like sort of uh, people being upset about fiscal games

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going away has reached out into a mainstream audience, but

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not the one or not as large as Wolverine is popular. Right,

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Wolverine's going to reach out to so many people, and

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you could be like, hey, we're going to call for

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the blackout, and then the next thing we're doing is

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that first week, don't don't buy Wolverine, at least for

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the first week. It's like that very likely would not

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show up in the numbers. Very likely you would not

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be able to see the effect of that thing, not necessarily,

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not like guaranteed. There's a chance maybe they would notice it,

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but not very good of a chance. So it's like,

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up with all of the continuing of like every time

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you have an opportunity to ask someone about it, whether

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they work at PlayStation or not, you ask about it,

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you know that dan Hauser was just Commenting on this,

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Rockstar co founder Dan Hauser says that when consumers want

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games on disc, companies should continue providing them. Like he

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was asked about I think VGC talked to him at

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San Diego Comic count or something like that, someone did,

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and that was his response, And that's like, you know,

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rock Star co founder, like, it's a headline right there,

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and then you pair that up with some action like this,

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and you kind of keeping it ping ponging it back

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and forth and hopefully keeping it in the headlines and

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keeping it at the front of mind the front of

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minds of a lot of people. But it's going to

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be difficult because Sony just I think they've been through

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these things so many times now that they do have

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a strategy for dealing with it, and there's a large

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financial incentive for them that they believe. You know, Now,

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if things do begin happening where it's like there is

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some evidence like once they go through with this of hey,

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we stop providing physical games and now there's an audience

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that's just not showing up for our stuff anymore. At

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that point, investors will begin asking questions. I think some

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investors might ask questions before that, but more. We'll ask

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it at that point if that happens, but by then

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it's far too late. I don't think that they will

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be so far along the line of we have moved

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on from bringing down the manufacturing plant that makes these things,

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which I still think is going to happen no matter

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what I think. If there was a change, you're shown

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it would be some alternative solution with some third party.

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But I still think that even that solution would have

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to be put in place very early and wouldn't be

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able to be something that they come up with at

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the last minute for PlayStation six or something.

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Speaker 3: Right, it just feels like they're passed the point of

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no return once we're talking about manufacturing is not being

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done on the thing that people want anymore. They can't

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just magically announced, oh wait, wait, we're bringing it back.

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We're bringing back the manufacturing and everything and striking all

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these deals, spinning up a plant, whatever needs to be done.

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However scale we're talking about, it feels like, no, what

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they need to do is and you kind of get

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that with like an alternative, make their digital store better,

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give us refund policies that are worth a damn give

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us a refund policy basically, because right now, what is it?

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You may be able to get a refund by talking

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to customer service if you did not even download the game.

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If you download the game without even launching it, that

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can't get a refund.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Which is not Annomas refund, that's right. Yes,

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it's insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you would even have to be in place

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first before we win here. That's what I was expecting,

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Sean is. Yeah, there'd be a slow sort of implementation

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of the features required to run a digital store in

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this day and age, and they have none of that

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stuff as they ripped off this band aid, so it

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feel like the wound hadn't healed yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I do think about conversation I had with a

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console only gamer one time where I was explaining PC

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gaming and because they were curious, like why are people

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so attached to Steam? Like it's all icons on your desktop.

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By the way, I don't have any icons on my desktop,

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so that's wrong. But they're like, it's just icons on

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your desktop and you just launch it from whatever store,

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so like, why do people care if it's on Steam

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or Epic or whatever. I'm like, well, okay, so here's

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the real reason. I explained how refund system works. I

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explained how Steam has all these tiny little features that

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the other platfor that the other platforms don't have, that

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they are launchers they don't have, and I explained that

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the other ones just simply don't work some of the time.

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And they were like, that don't sound right, Like there's

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no way that, like a major company would have a

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product that just doesn't work like that, and I was like, nope,

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that's the crazy thing. They literally don't work some of

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the time. And we had we had a little bit

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of back and forth as I continue to explain this,

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but that's that feels like that's where we're at with

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PlayStation of Hey, you just don't have the things that

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people want of a digital or front. That's really why

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people are mad. There's going to be people who you know,

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don't have good Internet, who still have airnet caps, all

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all these things like it's it's cheaper to buy physical,

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still trading things in and stuff like that. But ultimately

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it wouldn't be as big of a deal if people

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liked buying digital from your storefront and didn't just see

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it as a convenience factor. And I think that's the

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thing that they need to remedy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all it has is the convenience.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not and it's the convenience of not having

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to go to the store. That's the convenience I'm referencing there.

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That's yeah, it it is not like you know. The

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thing that Steam does really have is the deal hunting

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aspect that is fully integrated into the Steam ecosystem, whether

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it's happening on Steam or how happening elsewhere where. The

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codes are officially handed out to third party stores and

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they can discount stuff because they'd be like, oh, Steam

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takes a thirty percent cut when you have me your code,

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Steam gets actually none of this, So we'll take a

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twelve percent cut and you can just get the same

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amount of money you were getting, and now it gets

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sell it for less and we can all kind of

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or maybe we maybe could take even to get a

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larger cut, and we'll still take twelve percent, and that

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still leaves a large margin where we can discount the

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game versus Steam, and then people can who are savvy

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and really like going on the hunt for deals, which

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is a huge amount of people.

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Speaker 2: That is a very human thing.

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Speaker 1: It's human nature to be like I got one over

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on this other side, this company or whatever, and I

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got away with something. I saved a little bit of

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money that is part of the game and that is

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not in any way represented usually on these console digital stores.

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And that's just like one small aspect of it. Obviously,

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they're being able to return games and things like that,

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and the stability of the store, all that stuff factors in.

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But you're right, like, there's just a laundry list of

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expectations I think people have for the way Steam works today.

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That is, so people feel so positive about that. These

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other stores are just nowhere. Yes, so there's a couple

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other things here. Ubisoft ceou Gamont, just continuing to be

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like to be out there talking for some reason, argues

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that PC's move toward digital dis distribution helped grow the

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market and that Sony's decision will not seriously disrupt the industry.

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Speaker 2: I think we just explained how it's very different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just explained to the CEO of this company

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that sells digital games, why you're fucking wrong, Eves.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. And then let's see here. Oh, yes, this

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is just worth bringing up. It is a weird sort

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of quirk of one regent's regional rules. But a tangible

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flashpoint emerged where Japanese PS five edition of GTA six,

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the code that is inside those boxes will expire one

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hundred and seventy days, not after you buy it, one

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hundred and seventy days from the November nineteenth launch, because

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that's just how those codes work in Japan.

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Speaker 2: That is, if you go to the GTA six like support.

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Speaker 1: Page, it says that it's like, I'm not going to

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like blame take Take two in Rockstar for that. That

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is definitely like a weird sort of aspect of how

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these codes work in Japan.

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Speaker 2: And I would expect if like the whole.

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Speaker 1: Industry is moving in this direction, including Sony, a big

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player in that region, they would be able to address

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this and maybe get this changed. And I just don't

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know who this serves. Why would the regional and again

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I don't know the rules. This could be there could

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be something I'm not recognizing here that's causing this. But yeah,

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one hundred and seventy days from GTA six is launched,

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those codes in a box, the ones they launched on

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day one will no longer work.

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Speaker 2: It's very silly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the regional thing is also an issue with

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Marvel Tokon Yeah, has the same restriction that Hell Divers

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had because you need to sign into a PlayStation account

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in order to play the game game. And I think

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there's an offline mode, or at the very least there's

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going to be with the full release. I can't imagine

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like PlayStation you know, owned Evo and has worked with

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the fine game community enough I would imagine our system

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where so it was like, no, this is a requirement,

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we need an offline mode for tournaments and anything like that.

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But as a requirement of like playing online with the

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PlayStation account or anything like that, they are making it

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so you can't. You straight up can't buy the game

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in the same countries I forget like the count and

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where exactly, but the same countries that you could not

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buy Hell Divers in, or at least initially. I think

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they fixed that with Hell Divers, didn't they? Or is

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it still they can't buy it if you don't have

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a PlayStation network.

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Speaker 1: Hell Divers did get fixed, but I think all the

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other future games still had the same issue going forward.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but the point is, the point is like at

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least with you know, a physical game, For example, someone

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can still let's say they live a region where PlayStation

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isn't at in general, they could have a PlayStation five.

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You know, it could be given to them as a gift,

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they could import it, whatever the case may be, and

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then buy a physical copy, and they could play with

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their friends. You know, someone could run a tournament with it.

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You can still play that game. But that's another problem

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with digital restrictions is that PlayStation Sony says what you

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can and cannot do, and so you can't even access

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the game, which is a wild thing to happen. So, yeah,

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these regional restrictions are also a big issue here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, we talked about this a

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lot now, and I do think we're going to continue

479
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talking about it because.

480
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Speaker 2: The point of the show, Yes, it's important.

481
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Speaker 1: The point of the show is not just like here's

482
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what companies are saying. It is let's cover the things

483
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,039
people actually care about and I like. And to go

484
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:47,759
back to the right around through that to that earlier

485
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,680
point of does this look very different to like the

486
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,000
normal game or outrage about stuff that doesn't matter to

487
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,599
these companies. You're going to have to stick it out

488
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,680
and prove that you're that you're not that like that.

489
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The people who care about these things, which it does include.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just just anecdotally, you know, when I talk to

491
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,839
my friends once a week, normally friends had not heard

492
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,519
about the Xbox, not even the Microsoft layoffs. They did

493
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:20,279
hear about this PlayStation killing physical discs. So that is

494
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,640
absolutely the kintthing that people care about, you know, like

495
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:27,799
even someone who maybe knows, yeah, thousands of people getting

496
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,359
laid off is a terrible thing, but they don't necessarily

497
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,920
understand how that impacts them specifically. They understand that, hey,

498
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,720
I'm getting something that I use every day taken away

499
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from me, and that fucking sucks and I hate it.

500
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And so that's the kind of thing I gets anybody about.

501
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Speaker 1: That, And like, you know, a lot appearance was part

502
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,599
of that reporting of saying, like, it seems pretty clear

503
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,119
that Sony new people would hate this and coordinated the silence,

504
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,440
and so think I just think, like think about ways

505
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:01,799
to get around them. Would be my recommendation to people

506
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:04,880
who want to If you're coordinating blackouts and stuff like that,

507
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,440
I think you the best thing you can do is

508
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:11,680
be disruptive and and and get at people like the

509
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,759
Yeves gamos and be like, hey, we're not gonna we're

510
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,359
specifically not gonna buy your game on PlayStation. The third

511
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,839
parties that that can then go and talk to PlayStation

512
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,640
be like, hey, this is affecting us. You're gonna have

513
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,200
to sort of bypass it. And they're not going to

514
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:26,920
listen to you. They're not going to look at your comments.

515
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,359
They're not So you have to get someone else to

516
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,960
comment on your behalf. And that means be kind of

517
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it's kind of being an asshole on the internet to

518
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the right people, and and.

519
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Speaker 3: Right be kind to each other, be assholes. The CEOs frankly.

520
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Speaker 1: Ass the the CEOs exactly, yes, yeah, and like and

521
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and you know, I think the commenting on like indie

522
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:51,119
games on YouTube even like like hey, I'll buy your

523
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,920
game elsewhere, but right now I'm mad at Sony and

524
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,880
so like the fact that your game's here, I'm gonna

525
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have to not buy it.

526
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Speaker 2: I still think that is a right.

527
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Speaker 3: That's a strong message. There's a strong message right there. Yeah,

528
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,039
PlayStation puts out a video and say cool can't wait

529
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:05,759
to buy it on Steam. Cool can't wait to buy

530
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:08,240
it on my switsch too, Like whoever your other platform

531
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,319
is like sending a message of hey, I think this

532
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,240
is neat and I would have bought from you, not

533
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,799
going to anymore if enough of those messages get across eventually,

534
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:18,119
that's the kind of thing where when a higher up

535
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,920
checks in with social media manager or community manager whatever,

536
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,119
and the sentiment is it seems like people are actually

537
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,079
starting to move away from buying things on our platform,

538
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,000
and then they see that eventually when we get there

539
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,200
to yeah, sales are down, boss, Then that's the kind

540
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240
of thing where they realize that they have to Yeah,

541
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,119
I don't think we really have a story about today,

542
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640
but like you know, Xbox jingling the keys, you know

543
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,680
they're doing that because they while to get people on

544
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,359
their side. PlayStation's going to have to do something eventually

545
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920
to win people over, and it won't happen less people

546
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,640
get loud like you.

547
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, and you know, we'll move on here after this.

548
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: But like the uh, the realistic sort of middle ground

549
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,440
we might end up in is at least we're seeing

550
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,039
Sony to add some of these features to their digital

551
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,119
store that will make a somewhat more pleasant experience, uh

552
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,039
like at least being able to have a better return

553
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,480
policy that like at the very and you know, maybe

554
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,440
there is a form letter that people can begin putting

555
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,960
together or a form comment of Yeah, like you said,

556
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,279
I'm gonna buy this game on Steam instead, and you

557
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,759
can imagine the response to that from from like defenders beyond, like.

558
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: That's all digital.

559
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,599
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm going to buy this game on Steam

560
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,359
unless you match the features that Steam provides, which are

561
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,839
blank blank blank blank blank.

562
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Speaker 3: And Jeff, we did a podcast the other day where

563
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,720
like we spent longer than this amount of time explaining

564
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:43,119
why Steam is an example of how right, And there

565
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,039
was still a comment on the video of all these

566
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,039
journalists still seem to like Steam in all digital platform

567
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,519
do were you not listening?

568
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:51,319
Speaker 1: You're never gonna We're never gonna be able to get

569
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,359
through to those people, right So, but it's like there

570
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,680
are people who are reasonable who will see these things

571
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and understand for sure.

572
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go ahead and take that.

573
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Speaker 1: First break, when are the only break on this show,

574
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and then when we come back, plenty more headlines to

575
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get into.

576
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Speaker 2: If you want to skip out on these ad messages,

577
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you could do.

578
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Speaker 1: So go to gimebomb dot com slash join you can

579
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find the ad free version there, we will be right back.

580
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It's Game mess Mornings, everybody. I'm Jeff Grubb. That's Turbo, Sean.

581
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:23,839
Let's continue on here. Sony is dangling some keys, Sean.

582
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,759
That's so they're dangling keys for maybe something else, but

583
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:30,279
this might still actually be part of this. Sony dates

584
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,759
God of War lou Fey and confirms the next game

585
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,319
reconnects directly to it.

586
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: This is from Andy Robinson at VGC.

587
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Speaker 1: Sony has confirmed that God of War Laufey will release

588
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on February sixteenth, twenty twenty seven, as the series creative

589
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:47,720
lead confirms Credos will return in the next installment. Speaking

590
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,359
during a panel at San Diego Comic Con this weekend,

591
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,920
Sony Santa Monica Studio creative head Corey Balrog announced that

592
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the next God of War will connect directly to the

593
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Lofty story and star Credos. No further details were view

594
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,559
during the panel. This is like pleased into the last one.

595
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,440
Also frustrates me a little bit because what we're talking

596
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,920
about is they're going full shutdown silence on the disc thing.

597
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But this does feel to me. Maybe it was and

598
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:15,319
maybe this was always planned to be announced this way,

599
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:17,440
but it feels to me like a response to the

600
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,640
shitheads who are like, where's the man?

601
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,119
Speaker 2: I like to play as the boy?

602
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: Where's what's because Crados never going to be in a

603
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,720
game again, And it's like, of course not, you dip shit.

604
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,359
But they had to come out and say it out loud. Again,

605
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,839
I'm probably reading too much in this. This was probably

606
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,640
always the plan, but it's just what it feels like

607
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,480
to me in this moment.

608
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Speaker 2: How do you read it, Sean?

609
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah? How dare they give us the gay out

610
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,759
of war? We need the manly man.

611
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: Version of it? Right?

612
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,559
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like I was hearing. I haven't seen the

613
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,799
Aussie yet, but apparently there's a queer person in it

614
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,559
and the chuts are mad and it's like, oh honey,

615
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,400
you know nothing about mythology, Yes, right, nothing mythology?

616
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,839
Speaker 2: Uh huh exactly?

617
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Speaker 3: So does this I mean that this is Corey Barlog's

618
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,480
like secret project that he's been working on. Is that

619
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what I'm taking away from this?

620
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,799
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, uh?

621
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Speaker 1: I think low Faye is his secret project. Lowface is

622
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,279
the one he was working on. So yes, that's why

623
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,599
that's why it was like it's different, but it's it's

624
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,960
And then it was like recent. It's like it's different,

625
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,839
but like it still takes place sort of in the

626
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:21,400
God of War universe, and to me, it's like, no,

627
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:22,799
this is just the next God of War game.

628
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Speaker 2: I kind of don't know what people were talking about there.

629
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: But yes, low Fay is barlog okay, So and then

630
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,839
that is continuing the story and it's like a side

631
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,559
story and then we'll like bring it back to Credos,

632
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,160
you know, when the time is Okay.

633
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: It seems like, so what he's saying here is this

634
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,480
will set up what is going to happen next in

635
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,440
the next Credos game, So you know, it kind of

636
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,680
feels like this will bridge that over into whatever new

637
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,359
pantheon or or maybe like this underworld aspect of it

638
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,599
is exactly what Kratos will be dealing with as well.

639
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,759
Speaker 2: Though that feels like maybe that'd be a bit too

640
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:56,200
much of that.

641
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: So but but yeah, this game is here now, and

642
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:01,960
they're going back to Crados with the next game as

643
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,000
this game sets that up.

644
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: That's the plan, Okay.

645
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,319
Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, it definitely does feel like the keys being

646
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,359
dangled in front of everyone's face a little bit of

647
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,880
yeah as a response, which is ad sure, I guess

648
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,039
I don't know. I think, uh, you know, we watched

649
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,519
the additional trailer for Lafe, and I don't A lot

650
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,960
of you guys were like pretty underwhelmed with what we

651
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,200
saw in general, and I.

652
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: Think it just reminded me a lot of God of

653
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,559
War And yeah, I'm kind of like I'm those games

654
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,240
as much, right, I mean, yes.

655
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,039
Speaker 2: I totally those ones.

656
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:35,839
Speaker 1: I totally respect is Like I can tell they're good games,

657
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:39,039
they just are not something that like spark joined me immediately.

658
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that trailer was absolutely terrible.

659
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,200
It's the first thing to show from it, But once

660
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400
they got into the combat, I don't know, I thought,

661
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,880
pray fun and our things. So I'm I'm curious to

662
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,319
see where this game goes. I'm curious to see if

663
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,319
it's if it's a fun game to play, because that's

664
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,640
ultimately what I cared about. And you know what, I

665
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,359
didn't play a Ragnarot because it just looked like more

666
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160
of the same. I didn't see enough different from Gala

667
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,359
War twenty eighteen, a game that I did really enjoy.

668
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,079
I just wanted something else from it, and I think

669
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,839
ala Fe is bringing that and so Frankly, I'm even

670
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,960
more excited for this game than I am for the

671
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,079
Next Guy to War bringing it back to Credos, because

672
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,960
they're gonna have to do something else with Credos. I

673
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,880
kind of don't care about that, do it anymore? So

674
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,559
I'm glad that they're taking the side story, and it's

675
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:27,519
good to see a date for it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, same, all right.

677
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Speaker 1: Yoship says a Final Fantasy six remake could require four

678
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:34,839
or five games.

679
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,039
Speaker 2: Hell are you talking about?

680
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:37,279
Speaker 3: How?

681
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:41,759
Speaker 1: This is from Chris Sculling at VGC. Final Fantasy fourteen

682
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,519
director in Aoki yo should Have, also known as Yoship,

683
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:49,160
has explained why a Final Fantasy six remake isn't necessarily

684
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,799
feasible without it becoming an even larger project than Final

685
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,160
Fantasy seven remake was. Yo Shoulda was on stage at

686
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,319
the Final Fantasy fourteen fan Festival in Berlin, where he

687
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,880
was discussing series with fellow director in Nioki Hamagucci, who

688
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,400
who directed the Final Fantasy seven remake trilogy and is

689
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,359
My best Friend. Hamagucci was asked which game was the

690
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:11,160
biggest influence on his life. He answered that it was

691
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Final Fantasy six, but also warned that every time he

692
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,319
says this, it results in stories saying he's going to

693
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,119
remake it, when that.

694
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: Isn't the case.

695
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: I've given this answer to a lot of media interviews,

696
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,359
and it is also a scoring X title, so apologies

697
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:26,480
for that, but Final Fantasy six is the reason I

698
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,039
wanted to work in games.

699
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,519
Speaker 2: So that was always that always has a special place

700
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in my heart.

701
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: But every time I give that answer to a journalist

702
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:35,799
or someone, the next day there's an article online saying

703
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,640
Hamagucci will be remaking Final Fantasy six. So I also say, no,

704
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,440
I am not. At the same time, he joked, Yo

705
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,880
should have then explained that while there may be appetite

706
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,920
from players for a Final Fantasy Final Fantasy six remake,

707
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,440
the work involved in such a project would be immense

708
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,960
given the scale of the game. Of course, I understand

709
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,119
the feelings of the players, but you've got to think

710
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:57,960
about it, he explained. Look at the Final Fantasy Look

711
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,519
at Final Fantasy six. It's such an incredibly huge, huge game.

712
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,079
The scale is just immense, and the same applies for

713
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,160
other titles like Final Fantasy eight and Final Fantasy nine.

714
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960
So of course, now since you're working on Final Fantasy seven, remake. Oh,

715
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,599
I guess he was talking to Hamagucci. Now, I do

716
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,480
get that people would be asking for a remix of

717
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,000
other titles, but if we did remake those other titles,

718
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239
we'd probably end up having to release them in four

719
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,079
installments or maybe even five installments. I'm a Guchi went

720
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,159
on to explain the fact that Square Innox was able

721
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,679
to mostly keep the same team together to make Final

722
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,679
Fantasy seven remake over three games over ten years, and

723
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,639
that's a miracle, and you shouldn't expect that to be

724
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880
able to beat something that you could do at Square

725
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Innix for another project like that. Sean, is that the

726
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,159
only way to remake Final Fantasy six?

727
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,079
Speaker 2: Or is that just like the Square Innox way of

728
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:47,639
doing things?

729
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,679
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because I genuinely do think that. Okay,

730
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,559
let's put it this way. I think what he's trying

731
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,239
to get out here, what they're both trying to get

732
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,360
at here, is that if a remake of Final Fantasy

733
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,199
six were to happen, they would want it to be

734
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,880
something big, epic and fresh feeling in the same way

735
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,320
that Final Fantasy seven remake is. And it's you know,

736
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,920
as reverence for the source material but also it is

737
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,480
this new epic adventure that people can hop in on

738
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,800
for the very first time that they're completely new to it.

739
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,880
And with followed with like sixteen bit RPGs, even eight bit,

740
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,920
really they because everything was so simple, the graphics were

741
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,199
so simple, the combat systems even were simpler. They didn't

742
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,880
have to put as much development time into these things,

743
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,440
and your imagination filled in the gaps when you're playing

744
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,880
them on your CRT. Back in the day, they you know,

745
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,079
they could put out one of these games in somewhere

746
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,000
between depending on the size. Like you know, three years

747
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,000
even was like a massive amount of time to be

748
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,920
developing a game back then, and so nowadays, yeah, ten

749
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,880
years for a trilogy of games that look the way

750
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,840
that the Seven Remay trilogy does, it's a like you said,

751
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,440
it's a miracle that this trilogy was made and with

752
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,840
the same team and with people from the original FF

753
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,400
seven team, And so I think when it comes to

754
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,199
something like f F six, it is a big game.

755
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440
It is one of those sixteen RPGs where, yeah, your

756
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,639
imagination was doing a lot of heavy lifting, and they

757
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,639
can't rely on that anymore, so they would either have

758
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:25,840
to do something extremely straightforward, like say Dragon Quest seven reimagined,

759
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:30,079
which is probably not what a lot of people want. Well, like,

760
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:33,239
if f F six is your favorite Final Fantasy, you're

761
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,599
probably looking at seven remake, Like come on, man, that

762
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,840
one again? The popular guy got it again? What about

763
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,920
the real good one of the series? How about the

764
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,840
real best point again it's remake. So I think that's

765
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
what they're trying to address here, is the expectation of, well,

766
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,719
we can't really do a big, big remake of something

767
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,199
like six, something that also may probably won't sell as

768
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,480
well as seven because it just does makes sense and

769
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,400
it's so large that we would have to release it

770
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,320
over multiple games or anything like that. I think there's

771
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,840
maybe more of a market for that small scale remake

772
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,559
than they realized, but at the same time, it's probably

773
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,320
not as big as something like this remake trilogy has

774
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,920
been able to grab and slowly is grabbing more and

775
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,679
more people as it releases more platforms because side note, yeah,

776
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,400
release a multiplatform day one.

777
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: We're seeing with Revelation, turns out that's gonna work. Yeah,

778
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,719
I think you're right. I think this is a very

779
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,800
much a situation of to a hammer every problem as

780
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,960
a Nail and to Yoship and to Hamaguchi. Hamaguchi's been

781
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,360
making a remake for the last ten years, been working

782
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,800
on in that team for the last ten years, and

783
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,719
it has looked a certain way, and so when you

784
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,519
bring up the concept of remake to him, he steeped

785
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,760
in this idea of what that would mean. Yoship has

786
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:59,159
kind of just made massive games recently, massive big expensive games,

787
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,760
like with incredible fidelity, and then if you ask him

788
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,840
to begin imagining remaking Final Fantasy six, he's going to

789
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,719
remember the key scenes and be like, what does that

790
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,719
look like when you blow it up to the kinds

791
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480
of games I make now? And then if you say, like, well,

792
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,079
you don't have to do it that way, well, then

793
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,079
it's not involving these guys. It would be would go

794
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,199
to another team that like does HD two d's or

795
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:23,679
something in between, and that that would probably also go

796
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,400
to a different team as well. That would go to

797
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,440
like a maybe a third party sort of contract team

798
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,159
that would upgrade all the visuals.

799
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: But that's the problem with the Super Nintendo games.

800
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: That's why you know the next story here is a

801
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,679
Sasin's Creed Black Flag Recinc. Doing very well that game's

802
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,079
from thirteen years ago. It already kind of looked like

803
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,519
a modern game in a lot of ways, doesn't take

804
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,679
a ton of work. That's a relatively small budget to

805
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,280
get that up and running again. As a remake or remaster,

806
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,199
whatever you want to call it, it would have to

807
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,800
be something different than that, unless they're just doing another

808
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,519
sort of pixel upgrade or an HD two D games.

809
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,960
So I could see like why they feel this way,

810
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,039
But it's like, there's got to be something in between

811
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,400
if and there's also got to be a way to

812
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,519
sort of remake a game like that, upgrade it in

813
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,679
all the ways that we are probably agreeing like what

814
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,760
that would mean, and then keep it within fifty to

815
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,519
sixty hours. But at the same time, maybe they're like

816
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:20,400
that just the business model for that doesn't make a

817
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,000
ton of sense.

818
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,159
Speaker 2: I don't know.

819
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of a side effect of

820
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400
video games in general ballooning out of control, and how

821
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,280
we've seen it with PlayStations specifically, where they painted themselves

822
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,639
into a corner where you can't really PlayStation releases a

823
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,519
game that doesn't look like a Naughty Dog game, like

824
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,519
I'm tried for the last fust part two something like that.

825
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,719
People think less of it in the more casual audience

826
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,599
because they say, well, I got this last one that's better,

827
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,360
and it's you know, a prettier things. It's a bigger game,

828
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,079
like why why didn't you do this again? So I

829
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,280
think there's just that expectation that they've built up themselves

830
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,480
over the years, and how Final Fantasy is in this

831
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,639
place Square Knicks in general is in this place where

832
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,559
our big games are really freaking.

833
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: Big, really big.

834
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,199
Speaker 3: May that's a that's an entirely different conversation we could

835
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,360
have about how Square Enix has a problem with that

836
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,760
Square Nanx games don't sell to the level that they

837
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,840
need to in order to support that, and that's why

838
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,920
you always hear them talking about, you know, it didn't

839
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,039
meet our expectations and everything. So yeah, it's it's a shame,

840
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,239
I think, is really where we're at. But yeah, I

841
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,960
would like to see them do something with other Final

842
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,360
Seas because I like in general what they've done with

843
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
the remake trilogy, and I would like to see what

844
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,239
they would come up.

845
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:37,599
Speaker 2: You know.

846
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is Final Fantasy six is probably

847
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,000
you know, all the ones before that are probably probably

848
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:46,800
gonna be one that they're going to need to really

849
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,960
think about how they would do that.

850
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: I think WHI says like eight or nine.

851
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:53,159
Speaker 1: At a certain point, like they just sort of upgraded

852
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,920
the graphics of I can't remember Dergie Cerberus.

853
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: Is that the one that they just sort of swapped

854
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,920
in the new graphics like that? Right? Thank you Crisis

855
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,079
Core that.

856
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: Like, I'm distracted. I just got a notification on my

857
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,679
phone apparently we're gonna have is this right three inch

858
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,119
size hail soon here?

859
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,679
Speaker 2: That's oh shit, what the hell? What is going on? Man?

860
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,840
The weather's beIN back. Man might be ending.

861
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,599
Speaker 1: Oh we used to like, you know, I was kind

862
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,679
of my I saidy of Denver, we would get a

863
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,519
lot of hail, and it was like at a certain point,

864
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,199
like the insurance companies were like, we this is We're

865
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,960
just not going to help you with this stuff anymore.

866
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,119
Speaker 2: It's it was crazy. Uh, but yeah, I think that

867
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,199
they need to just like step back.

868
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,679
Speaker 1: They need to get through Final Fantasy seven remake still

869
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,679
sort of just take a beat, like have a conversation about, hey,

870
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,119
there are other ways of.

871
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: Attacking these problems.

872
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,639
Speaker 1: And people do point out Yoship's team like oversaw the

873
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,400
remake of Tactics. I still think that when they're talking

874
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,159
about remaking Final Fantasy six, they're not imagining that.

875
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

876
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: But again, there's a lot of different opportunities to do

877
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,880
stuff here. It will just take a second for them

878
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,760
to sort of They don't have infrastructure in place to

879
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,480
suddenly just take Final Fantasy six and do the obvious

880
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,239
thing that would require some effort, But I think they'll

881
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,000
get to that point.

882
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,519
Speaker 2: Remakes are too big.

883
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: Of a business, As proven by this next story, Assassin's

884
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,840
Create Black Flag Recinct exceeded annual expectations in its first

885
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,079
two weeks of sales, sold more than three point five

886
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,599
million copies since released. That is two weeks, and you'd

887
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,719
be Soft told investors that is already more than what

888
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,760
we were expecting to sell in the first year of

889
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,119
this game. Obviously, a big part of that is Black

890
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:36,599
Flag is a really beloved game. A lot of people

891
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,000
really really enjoyed that this game's This recinct version is

892
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,840
an admirable update. It is a sort of one that

893
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,000
really removes a lot of the friction, so it's very

894
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,039
easy to get into, and it also looks stunning in

895
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,079
like images in trailers which I think did help sell

896
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:57,880
this game. But you know, but Black Flag is one,

897
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,800
like we said, that is very easy to sort of update.

898
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,039
But this proves there's business there. These companies are not

899
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:05,760
going to be able to ignore remix. I think we

900
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,599
can all go. If I'm given the choice, do I

901
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:10,760
want a remake or for them to focus efforts on

902
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,800
new stuff, I think new stuff probably usually wins out.

903
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,800
Although I love playing remix all the time, I've enjoyed

904
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,400
what I've played of Black Flag Recinct, which is not

905
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,519
a lot. It was on the Besties. That's one of

906
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,079
the games they were talking about. I'm like, yeah, I'll

907
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,199
check in on this, but I enjoyed what I played.

908
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:30,760
The business is too big to ignore. So why when

909
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
they talk about Final Fantasy six, eight and nine and

910
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,719
they warn us about that. I think that that's still

911
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,199
something that they will try to figure out going forward,

912
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,840
and every company will. It is approven business model by

913
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,559
companies like Capcom and now ubi Soft is in that

914
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,760
in this business right.

915
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:51,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Black Flag Recint seemed like a really good remake,

916
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,079
and I I think Ubisoft should be looking at that

917
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
and saying, yeah, we should be doing more. The more

918
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,639
with this and I'm looking at this quote here two

919
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,679
weeks in the title has already see the annual expectations

920
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,199
we had. Ubisoft CEO Eves Gilma said, I would like

921
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,039
to warmly thank the teams who's talent and dedication brought

922
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,719
to life. Yeah, I would like to thank those teams too.

923
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,800
Where are they? Where are they? Eaves? Yeah, what'd you

924
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,280
do with them? They're they're they're cool. Right, everything's good. Yeah,

925
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,559
they made a game that made you tons of money,

926
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:27,880
and so like you kept them going on next project, right,

927
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,599
E's right.

928
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, that's Barcelona that got all the layoffs there,

929
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,400
which is one of the support studios on the game.

930
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,119
Speaker 2: But it's like this, the success here just immediately parlayed

931
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,760
that into the next big remake. In the Assassin's Screed series,

932
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,920
there are other ones that are are beloved. You know,

933
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:46,960
I think that.

934
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,079
Speaker 1: It's it's insane that this is how this company works.

935
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,320
But that's I mean to me, that is such a

936
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,519
tragic sign of Ubi Seft's prospects. They have a huge

937
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:01,159
hit games. They had the signal in the first day

938
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:03,360
that this game was going to be a massive hit,

939
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:05,920
and yet on that first day they still laid off

940
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,880
that studio, laid off many people at that studio. So

941
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:14,599
the ability to trust Ubisoft's ability to execute on this

942
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,239
stuff going forward is still very low. This feels like

943
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,639
a one off thing, and then they're going to stumble

944
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,079
trying to repeat this going forward because they will be

945
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,559
crumbling constantly under the leadership there. All Right, a couple

946
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,639
more things here. Tomb Raider Catalysts appears to have moved

947
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,559
to twenty twenty eight. This is from Chriscian at VGC.

948
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,760
Tomb Raider Catalyst appears to have been delayed to twenty

949
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,679
twenty eight. According to a recent interview, Amazon's general manager

950
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,000
of Gaming Jeffrey Gaddis was speaking to the Game Business

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about the range of titles being funded by publisher or

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published by Amazon excuse me, and whether it's strategy mainly

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focused on TRIPAA, DOUBLEA or indie titles. Gaddis replied that

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its strategy involved all of those and gave examples of this.

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At one point, he mentioned Catalysts and said it was

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coming in twenty twenty eight, something that hasn't been officially

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confirmed yet. It's all of those, Gatus explained, from what

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we call game night games, which are those phone as

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a controller games, which I think of as you know,

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single A games, we're that are in the single millions

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of dollars to develop, all the way up to Triple A. Obviously,

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we're We've announced the two tumb Rator titles, and you know,

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Atlantis comes February twelfth of next year, and then we'll

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follow on in twenty twenty eight with the next one.

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Speaker 2: So we're excited about those.

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Speaker 1: There are some other Triple A things that are in

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various stages of discussion right now as well. Amazon's last

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official word on turmb Raider Catalyst, which everyone thinks he

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must mean by the next one, was that it was

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planned for release in twenty twenty seven. This is not

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you know, this could be a slip of the tongue,

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could be a million other things, probably the other games

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coming out in twenty twenty eight. So yeah, I mean,

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Amazon's history with games has always been spotty bad, it's

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probably the better way to put it. Yeah, company that

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has always been able to tackle just about any space,

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sort of underestimating the requirements to put out a game

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that can compete.

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Speaker 2: That has happened repeatedly with them.

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Speaker 1: They've found some answers like, hey, let the people who

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make Hitman make a James Bond game. But even that

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seems like they're not sure if they're fully understanding just

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what they have there. And there's talks I believe it

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was from Jeffrey Gattis saying oh, yeah, and maybe we'll

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have another team to do the next one, Like what

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are you talking about? But yeah, tomb Raiders is one

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of those ones that I've always been I don't really

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care all that much. Even then when it was coming out,

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I was not super into it. But yeah, I guess

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catalyst I'll check in on it. I think people liked

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what they played of Atlantis, which is again I believe

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the remake of the first game Sewan correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm a pretty big tumb Raider fan, So yeah, I

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was looking forward to this, and I think it makes

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sense if Legacy of Atlantis was supposed to come out

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this year and got the way tonight year, if they

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would also then push the next one that was supposed

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to come out next year the year after that, because

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don't release two games in the same series in the

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same year, even if you're leading from one to the other,

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unless it's a like straight up re release like HD

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version as just you know, like a twenty dollars download

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or yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you lead into the

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new one. That makes a little more sense. But yeah,

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don't release something that at least looks like a new

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game and then go into your actual new game, because

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that's going to get people who bought the new game

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to think, well, wait a minute, I just bought one

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of these games. I don't need to buy the new one.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, good point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would assume that the new new game here

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is going to be put out in twenty twenty eight.

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I think that makes a lot of sense. I'm maybe

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a little worried about the development since they ain't have

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good answers to the usage of jen Ai in these games.

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You like see seeing them fumble around in the game

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in Former interview and everything like that. It's like, well, cool,

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And that's where we're at with a lot of games nowadays,

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as we know. And I hopefully development's going okay over there,

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but I've I'm losing a little bit of faith in

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the series, especially under the hands of Amazon, right So

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I don't know. I hope the game is cool, and

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I hope that development gets better and smarter over there

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when it comes to those kinds of things. But yes, absolutely,

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it looks like Catalyst is now twenty twenty. We'll see

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what that one ends up looking like.

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Speaker 2: Updates for today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Today, Monday July twenty seventh, Forever Skies reaches Xbox Series

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consoles unbeatable. I think this is one of yours sean launches.

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Switch switch to switch to version for that.

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Speaker 3: So then when you go back to that, because like,

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the only reason that I didn't think better of it

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last year is that was so buggy when I played it, like,

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especially in that preview period, it was like to the

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point that I'd like, progress breaking bugs. I want to

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go back and maybe.

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Speaker 1: Switch two versions here. That says to me, like, oh,

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they probably figured out the game every Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I know they fixed a lot of things, so yeah,

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presumably that's here in the switch too version.

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Speaker 1: Who Arms leaves early access on PC based Tatico RPG

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Prelude Dark Pain Enters PC early access, and then tomorrow Tuesday,

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July twenty eighth, Halo Campaign Evolved receives its full PS

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five Xbox Series and PC launch at eleven am Eastern,

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following Premium early access, which already began, Gothic Classic comes

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to PS five, Xbox Series, PS four and Xbox one,

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and ever ever Quest Legends launches on PC, which I

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this is like a prime, like a kind of a

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single player or like small team multiplayer remake of EverQuest.

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Speaker 2: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 3: I'm a reimagined version of Classic aver request Front's original

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release in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and like you can play at single player. It's

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kind of the idea I believe. I know we have

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some EverQuest for free small group sys. Marina Marino is

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my EverQuest free because that's reference. So yeah, I'm kind

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of like maybe we should play some of that. I

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would be curious about it. All right, that does it

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for the headlines. I think we did have a poll

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question that I never answered. Let me go, yeah, okay,

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let's get there quick. I'm going to refresh get the

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most recent information from four days ago, which backwards combatible.

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Speaker 2: Xbox game are you going to play on PC? First?

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Speaker 1: I did play Crimson Skies High Road to Revenge along

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with twenty one percent of others. Let's see nineteen percent

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said conquer live and reloaded, and then nine percent said

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Blinks the Time Sweeper. But the big winner was none

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not interested. Sorry slash Fusion Frenzy.

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Speaker 2: Which was fifty one percent. So there you go. A

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new poll question. We'll get to that here. You know,

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let's get to it here right now.

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Speaker 1: What would you want from a Final Fantasy six remake,

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massive multi game series or one game that's forty five

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hours with limitations? Look, get the results of that, talk

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about it on Wednesday, because tomorrow here on Giant Bomb,

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it's Tuesday, we have the Giant BombCast. Looking forward to

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getting back on the show after missing it last week.

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I have plenty of games to talk about, looking forward

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to getting there and talk about the road trip and

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all that stuff. It'll be a good time, everybody. We

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have some other stuff happening this week, but we got

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to have a meeting to figure out exactly what it's

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all going to look like.

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Speaker 2: So definitely stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: We'll let y'all know, but expect Blake Club, expect a voicemail,

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dumb truck.

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Speaker 2: We're looking at some upf games. It'll be a good week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think with all that out of the way, I

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think what we do now is Sean, thank you so

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much for hanging out with me today and talking about

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video games.

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Speaker 2: Man, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a good time, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for watching and listening. You are the

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best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one,

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take care of yourself and goodbye.