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Speaker 1: The paranormal, UFOs, monsters Mysteries. As you're listening to Talking

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Weird and now from a Kevin deep in the northwards,

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your host, doctor Dean Bertram.

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Speaker 2: Who Greetings on my fellow widows and weirdos. Welcome to

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Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,

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Dean Bertram, and as always, I'm delighted that you're going

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to be spending the next hour or so of your

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the audio only version of the show, which drops on

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every podcast platform the Friday after the Thursday night show. Welcome,

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whatever times on you in and wherever you are, whether

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you're here with me live now or somewhere in the future. Greetings,

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I'm having a great summer. I hope you are all too.

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I am having an amazing time with my daughter. It's

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always fund the summer to go to the lake and

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the like and run around outside and go on adventures.

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But I'm also having a great fun summer going on

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trips with my amazing girlfriend Samantha Crawsey, who many of

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you know who are regulars now shooting our show home

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movie Legend Trip. We just shot an episode at UFO

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Days in Elmwood, Wisconsin. UFO Days is a celebration of

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the many UFO sidings, particularly significant string of sightings in

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Elmwood in the nineteen seventies and that became such a

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popular UFO hotspot there was talk and an initial plan

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to actually build a UFO landing port there, the type

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recommended by Donald Keo, the head of NICAP, back in

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the nineteen sixties when he recommended doing it, and this

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was obviously flash forward to the eighties, but it almost happened.

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We almost had a UFO landing port and hence the

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moniker I guess of the town the UFO Capital of

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the World. That episode is coming up. We're also going

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to Lake Peppin this weekend and we'll be looking for

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the Lake Pepn Monster. Peppy and Chad Lewis will be

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in that which is amazing. We recently shot in the

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most recent episode. The fictured person in that episode is

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our guest that we have tonight, and he's a heck

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of a nice human being as well. Was super knowledgeable

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in all things weird, particularly when it comes to extraterrestrials

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and interdimensional beings and the modalities we might use to

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contact them. And he's a US Air Force veteran, a

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consciousness research and founder of Central Wisconsin C five, a

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group dedicated to exploring peaceful contact with extraterrestrial and inter

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dimensional intelligences through conscious based practices, drawing from his studies

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at the renowned Monroe Institute. I'll have to ask him

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a little bit about that tonight and his own transformative

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experiences he combines. He combines a grounded practical approach with

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a deep exploration of meditation, expanded states of awareness, and

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human initiated contact. And since founding Central Wisconsin C five

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in twenty twenty two, he's a guy added hundreds of

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participants through C five protocols, and Sam and I both

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watched him and filmed him doing it firsthand, and it

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was absolutely fascinating, as well as the experiences that came

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after there after that. He's also done and read many

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group coherence exercises and SkyWatch events designed to foster meaningful

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contact experiences. Through education, personal testimony, and experiential learning, he

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encourages others to explore the connection between consciousness, multi demands, reality,

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and humanity's place in the greater cosmos. So I'm delighted

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to welcome to Talking Weird, the wonderful Zach Screedy, Zach.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Dean, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Man. Did I get the pronunciation of your last name

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correct as well?

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Speaker 3: Perfect?

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Speaker 2: I thought so, Man. I had such a great time

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Eiso did Sam when you were you, and initially it

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was Melissa Kaine who put me in touch with you,

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and you guys are very kindly had me to your

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recent C five contact event in not that far from me,

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maybe an hour and a half away. That we was

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absolutely which was absolutely amazing. And maybe we'll get to that,

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particularly if Sam Krousy, my filmmaking partner and girlfriend, drops in,

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because I know she wanted to talk more about that,

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and I think she's coming tonight to talk about it.

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But perhaps it is an obvious first question, but I'm

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genuinely interested because I didn't get to talk to you

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about this at all when we were at your contact event.

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What initially drew you into trying to illicit contact with

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the outher What took you down this path?

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tail end of COVID and I finally had watched one

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of Stephen Greer's documentaries Unacknowledged, and at the end of

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it they kind of introduced the.

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Speaker 3: Ce vive process and like everyone was out here doing this,

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and I said, Wow, this is awesome because I just

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saw a bunch of other stuff in the documentary that

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my time in the Air Force. So it was all

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of a sudden like, oh, wow, cool, we can like

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talk about the stuff in the open now, and you know,

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there's a way that we can go make our own contact.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Did you when you had to learn the protocols

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spent some time at the Monroe Institute. Was that part

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of the processes that did you learn the processes there

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Speaker 3: Do this or no, not really, and they kind of

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to get there, but it's kind of an area that

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they fall short on. So you know, there's still an

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institute and they have to kind of follow certain rules

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and things, and yeah, there's that's kind of one of

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some of your I suppose abilities or your protocols or

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ways to think in these type of directions though?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. It was amazing experienced to go through.

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meditating and was into this process probably two years before

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going there, and it put a lot of things into

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context and organized through a lot of the sort of

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ethical things that I was experiencing. And then to get

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there and talk to people that are you know, experiencing

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the same things, and you know, you're you're meeting these

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people like kind of out there. You know, while you're

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in meditation, you're interacting with you know, people that you know,

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you know in the physical sense as well. So it

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was a real magical place in that sense.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I think that this is an interesting path we

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can go down for a minute, maybe talk a little

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bit about your experiences before perhaps that you had this

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type of skill sets and abilities you've developed now and

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how they how they changed, or how your understanding of

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these things changed, and how that might have actually now

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impact your actual experiences, like the difference perhaps as you've grown.

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like you know, the wider community, there's purists that will

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say that things have to be done like exactly this

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way and you have to be of this vibration, and

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you know, it's you know, it is a sacred process

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kind of no matter at what level you're doing with

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and you know, just having the kind of honor and

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respect for that, you know, it's really the prerequisite. But

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just like athletics or sports. You know, we can be

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a weekend enthusiast or you know, you can be a

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professional money making you know, athlete doing it for a living.

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of followed along that too. I saw the structured detailed

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like step one, step two, step three, you know, do

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lot of it. Lately. They've been a lot of like

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channelings that I'll get. So there's pre like set up

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and preparation really hardly isn't anything. It's just get everyone

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there and on the same page and then just kind

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of let it flow through and it just will walk

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us through rush through the meditation more or less.

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so I know that I was actually surprised in a

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pleasant way of how relaxed you made that atmosphere there.

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It didn't feel like people, it didn't seem stressful at all.

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Everybody seemed I mean, zen's a kind of hockey word,

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you know, but it had that real feeling of everybody

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was very relaxed. There was no pressure. There just seemed

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to be a genuine peaceful presence or a peaceful environment there.

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job yourself at facilitating that because you're a very relaxed

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kind of kind of human being. Thanks. That's good here

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In case Sam does drop on. We're going to come

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back to the event I was at anyway, because there's

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a number of things I still want to talk to

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you about that, but maybe we can just because we're

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going to come back maybe and we want to get

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to the channeling as well. But maybe jump forward to

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your most recent event, because the funniest thing is you

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told me you've just done this event. We were backstage

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before it started. You literally just said you'd just been

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set and the second you said it, Flat Rockland aka

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Matt Auckland is a good friend of mine, a good

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friend of the show. He's guested on the show. He'd

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seen you for the photo we had of the thumbnail.

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He hadn't seen the show at all yet because it

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hadn't started, and he just commented, Zach looks like he

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belongs at EAT said, he ranch in trout Lake. And

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you were literally just telling me that you literally just

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come back from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there a week ago, about a week

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and a half ago. Yeah, we did a remote viewing

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with well ye had another Ossie Peter Maxwell Slatery and

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you know, stayed there for a couple of nights of

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skywatchers and kind of toured around the area and everything.

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Speaker 2: Did you have more did you find there was? There

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were more contacts to be had there or more activity

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there than say when when you're the location in Wisconsin

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that I was at, or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah there was, I mean I guess about the same

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for me. You know a lot of new stuff, let

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of new energies and contacts for me, especially with Mount

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Speaker 2: Cool that it sounds like it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, being able to kind of connect with some of

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the things living in there, and you know, they showed up,

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had kind of lights show up on the mountain out there.

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He had the video queued up. If we wanted to

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Speaker 2: That, I'd love you to play. Did you name me

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to uprade it here for you? Did we say? Or

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maybe you can let me add it to the stage and.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Yeah. So yeah, that was just a

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light that was just piercing through the clouds as they

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were going through. Like definitely not the moon that was

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over in that area. Yeah. Yeah, things like that, streaking

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's different opinions on what some of these

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may be and and all that satellites going by and

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sun bouncing off the panels and such. But a lot

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of them came in in conjunction with different communications. And yeah,

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these are the lights that come out up on the

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and yeah, James Gillian and he was there and he's

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tell his own Yeah, the doors are open, so you know,

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they're kind of open up their doors and come out

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and say hi to us more or less. And yeah,

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I was talking with another local individual there that knows

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them all real well. And like that whole area where

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those are that's not really climbable accessible terrain. The rock

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no.

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Speaker 3: One's may able to tackle anything there yet. Is exactly

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I think that was the end of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool those Yeah for starters. Let's set the geography

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for those of us who aren't that familiar. So is

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some of the cascades and things.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it was about an hour hour and a

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half south. Ever in your kind of the self central

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area of the state.

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Speaker 2: And there's there's talk or legends or reports of things

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living inside that mountain you kind of alluded to and

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coming out of what's the background of that story or

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those stories? Are the things that are meant to be there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there's been a lot of them.

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And then the other local individuals were telling me too

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some of the military activity that they've seen around there

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coming through Chinook helicopters coming by, and weird times, especially

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when the lights were more active than not, and hearing

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other sounds and pressures and weird occurrences like associated with

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the helicopters too. So I think, yeah, there's been activity

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there for quite a while. Is Yeah. James is his

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fortieth year there at the ranch, and that's when he

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was kind of initially guided there kind of because you

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know they're there in the mountain, you know, willing to

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talk with them and show people and yeah, introduce I'll

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sendto the other room other worlds more or less.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Matt Auckland's from that part of the world,

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and he's just been saying how it's just like you

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were saying, it's a hot spot. And he's even had

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experiences there and seeing all kinds of strange things. So

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what a fascinating part of the world was it is there?

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Did you stay like a base camp there or what

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did what did you guys?

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Speaker 3: What was just saying like, yeah, I brought I brought

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my tent and just kind of a little camp set up.

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and little like ten setups too that you can just

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pay to stay in and I think they offer breakfasts

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and then yeah, and then there's usually different events and

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workshops and things that get hosted there throughout the year

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and you can go kind of participate in. And it

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seems like just about everyone has some sort of experience

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or you know, witnesses something going through the sky or

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you know, the real uh treat making personal contact with

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something while they're there.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel you made a contact while you were there?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. Well but yeah, the mountain dwellers there,

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and it's just kind of some of the other energies

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that were local to the to that to his ranch

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and that.

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Speaker 2: Area the mountain dwell was the bigfoot you were talking

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about before. Are they something else?

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Speaker 3: These I believe were something else. It felt like to

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me they were kind of friends with, for lack of

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a better term, you know, with sasquatches and those types

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of beings. But they were, you know, kind of their

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own thing there in that mountain, and you know, they're

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more or less just waiting for the day that we

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can interact directly, and you know, kind of falled into

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one here on the planet. And it's not just humans

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and the animals walking around here on the surface.

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Speaker 2: Well is it?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: Is it a technological civilization or just a spiritual civilization?

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Speaker 3: Were more like the natural side of things?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, so more perhaps like I don't know, the

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fair folk or the other crowd or something like that. Yeah, fascinating,

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That's fascinating and that I almost can't help so I go, oh, yeah,

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like the elementals and such.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Was that a similar energy or a similar feeling that

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because I know in the location we were out in Wisconsin,

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in that beautiful property, you were saying that there there

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were like forest type dwellers or there were things which

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were more of that type of nature. Was it a

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similar Are they a similar entity or was it a

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similar feeling or a similar energy or yeah.

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Speaker 3: Some of them being the same, like, you know, the

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same like we see white deal white tail deer here.

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You know, they would have some mule deer out there.

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Speaker 2: Kind of.

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Speaker 3: Same species or related species, and.

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Speaker 2: So this is a similar So this would be a

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similar kind of thing that potentially related that the type

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of different things in the other location, it'd be. To

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be honest, when we were there, and I had such

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an enjoyable time and really fulfilling time making the home

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moview legendship there with such a and I know Samantha

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did it as well, but I would have loved it.

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Was great. I mean this we were I'll be honest,

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you've watched it when we were going there, that little

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conversation with me and sam and the cars. Genuine I

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was just filming and she was like, I don't think

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we're going to say anything. By the end of that,

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she had an entirely different, you know, impression, because we

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did see things. So I think it was quite illuminating

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for both of us. But you know what fascinated me

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the most, I got to talk to you a little

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bit about but of course I was more interested in,

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you know, filming what was going on and trying to

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capture things in the sky and stuff. Was that you

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said there you get just as much contact with the

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things in the woods as you do with the things

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in the sky. Can you talk a little bit about

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that and the differences or and dealing with them and

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what they are and you know, anything you want to

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talk about that, I'd love to hear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, because I mean I want to set out

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on this. It was originally you know, pointed at extraterrestrials

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aliens going out into our space tape things, and yeah,

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we hung under that for a little while. And it

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was I was that two almost three years ago, I

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guess we were standing outside on one of our meetings

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and it looked like a meteord flying overhead. I about

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all of us saw it, and they were like, oh wow, cool.

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And the camera was just kind of set up and

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rolling by at the time, and it yeah, it happened

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to fly right in front of the camera. So when

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I sorry, I'm trying to find that video restoring too,

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and uh, because they have When I went back to

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look at the video the next morning and got through

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and found it, and it was it did fly right

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in front of the camera, but it wasn't a meteorite

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at all because it came from the trees well, and

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we saw it in person, looked like it was far

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over our head and you know, putting out quite a

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bit of quite a bit of light behind it. So

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it was, Yeah, that was a pretty neat experience. And

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so I've been kind of in contact with some of

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these like fairy folk and some of the other like

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you forest beings. Kind still feels a little crazy thinking

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about were talking about it, but you know, there's forest

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gnomes are a real thing, and they're around us, and

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you know, these things that are occupying the same space

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that that we do. So they're you know, very interested

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in our activity and especially in regards to the to

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the planet and how it's being treated and all that.

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They very much like to see it survive along with them,

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and you know, hopefully.

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Speaker 2: Us anyone who's a regular at least view of the

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show knows that. Well, maybe Ufo Lore is my wheelhouse.

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The other thing I'm most interested in his fairy faith

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and and the other crowd. And I think I'll say you,

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I saw you just dropped another video that did you

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want Did you want me to go ahead and play

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that one for you? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Sure thing. Yeah, this is the of what we thought

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was a meteorite flying overhead and yeah, right there we

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can see like it just came from in front of

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the trees and overhead.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And that kind of pattern because people have seen these

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they call them rods, and they've been excited in daytime too,

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and like kind of silver and color. But uh, that's

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kind of what something looks like if it's flapping its

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wings and you get kind of the time lapse picture

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because it was what it was like fourteen frames a

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second that was shot at and they got four four

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frames of it.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So that was kind of like how stretched out the

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image of it was. So when people were kind of,

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you know, wondering what it was or oh, you know

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it was bugs, it was a moth. That's what moss

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looked like at night. Yeah, I'd say it had wings,

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but it was it was putting out quite a bit

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of light, you know.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I know you is that is that one

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of the things you reference because I was fascinated when

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we were there. You mentioned something that was the fireflies

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that aren't fireflies, Like there were these lights in the

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woods which which aren't fireflies but in some capacity might

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resemble them a little or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they kind of been some little yellow sprinkles

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like higher up in the trees at times when there

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wouldn't normally be fireflies. And it's usually way too, way

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cooler because they're normally out when it gets you into

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the heat and humid aus you know, but we're seeing

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them in like early April. Oh wow, we're actually at

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a different place. But they were kind of sparkling like

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that too, And a couple of people said something about it,

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and we said, yeah, you know, what are they doing?

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And as soon as we said that and acknowledged him

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and all that, there wasn't a single one more like

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the whole rest of the night, like they just completely

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turned off.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, that was kind of weird. They noticed, you noticed, right,

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they've been had there you go, I can see Sam, now, Okay, sorry, Zach.

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I was just about I was just about to ask

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Zach a very dean question, and know what you asked

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some questions, Sam. What I was about to ask was

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I'm always interested in how much do you think we

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bring to the phenomenon ourselves, like and you were who

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were out there with various people coming and you know,

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intentionally engaging with the other. Do you think sometimes we're

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bringing our own perceptions and our own expectations and sometimes

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the phenomenon is reflecting some of that back or how

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much do you feel that a person's own subconscious or

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a person's own perception effects there encounters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does. And because you know, people

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can bring things along with them. You know, there's entities

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out there that are attached to people. They've come along

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and shown up to her to our meetings, one of

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our regulars. She is a you know, some Sasquatch followings

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that go back very very deep with her, and they've

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come and crashed some trees down right as we started

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meditations and stuff, and it's going well. I think they

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came with her. And but yeah, and then a lot

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of people, you know, you gonna get biases, and people

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are going to see kind of what they want to

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see sort of things, because people will see the same thing,

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you know, go across the sky and interpret it differently.

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So it's all open to that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, I can't imagine that it doesn't

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play play some significant part in our experiences with everything

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even normal life, our preconceptions and going to affect our impressions.

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You know that that we get Now Sam see we

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can talk more about the actual We talked a little

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bit about it. We tried to hold on till Sam

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came here. The event that Sam and I were both

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at when we filmed, when we filmed our home movie

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Legend Trip episode there UFO Contact, which is so much fun.

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People can go and find it on our YouTube and

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they just go and look for home Movie Legend Trip

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is the channel name if you want to see one

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of Zack's amazing events and Sam like kind of bumbling

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through it and I'm doing our best to record it.

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Have fun.

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Speaker 5: Is this?

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Speaker 2: I know you wanted to ask sex some stuff, so

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I'm gonna mute mine, Mike, Sam, so it doesn't like

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echo over through yours and you can ask him whatever

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you would like.

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Speaker 5: No, I just feel really bad about the whole situation

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going into it, being like the negative Nelly, So like,

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do you ever do you ever look at somebody to

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be like, Okay, they're not going to see anything like

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they're they're that person? Because I felt that that I

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was that person that night, Like I was the person

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who's like, this isn't.

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Speaker 6: Do you ever get that, like you just know somebody's

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not with it?

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Speaker 3: No, not really, because a lot of times, you know,

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some of the biggest skeptics are the ones that need

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00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:55,559
like the biggest evidence out there, so they have the

482
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,279
they have the potential to draw in some big fireworks.

483
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,440
And from my perspective at least, but I mean, you

484
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,000
can definitely shut a lot of stuff down if you

485
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,880
want to be you know, a negative nelly about it.

486
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:14,079
You know, you can really turn the lights off on

487
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,519
a lot of things. Uh, you know, fear and negative

488
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,960
thinking does a lot to shut things down.

489
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 6: So I mean, rich that I had that I shouldn't

490
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,440
say it was like negative.

491
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,799
Speaker 5: I just didn't think that I would have experienced anything,

492
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,240
So to me that was negative like on the whole process.

493
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:38,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, other than I mean, just being open

494
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:45,240
is the biggest thing, you know, for people to just yeah,

495
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,680
be open for whatever, you know. But and then what

496
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:55,920
people define is an experience or you know, a citing

497
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,359
varies differently too, so it's kind of, yeah, what each

498
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,759
person wants to take away from it.

499
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: We saw things, right, Sam, You saw even more than may.

500
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:11,359
Probably I know I saw stuff, but you were. You

501
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,000
were spending more time looking at the sky because I

502
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:14,960
was spending more time filming you looking at the sky

503
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,880
and filming other people looking at the sky. Maybe you

504
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,480
can talk about some of the things you saw there,

505
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,400
because again, you went in there not like a Debanka,

506
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,920
but you went in there with a fairly skeptical idea

507
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,000
that you know, you weren't going to say anything, So

508
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:27,759
maybe talk about the things you did see.

509
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 5: There were so many like orbs in the sky that

510
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,119
I've never I've again, I've watched the skies my whole life.

511
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,039
Speaker 6: I grew up again sitting on a tramplane and.

512
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 5: My haunted house, my aunts, haunted house, like we were

513
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,559
always looking for stuff, right, like always, always, always you

514
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,400
can tell a satellite from a shooting star from a

515
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,599
but that night, yeah, there were so many little orbs

516
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:57,240
that I would see.

517
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 6: And then it wasn't just that I saw them, it was.

518
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: How they moved and how they interacted with each other,

519
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,680
and it was just very different, and I didn't expect

520
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,079
that at all at all at all.

521
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 6: So I was just really expressed because I wasn't part

522
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,759
of the whole you know, the meditation.

523
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 5: Me and Dean were both like on the camera, so

524
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,480
I wasn't expecting to see anything, honestly, Like, I really

525
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,720
did not expect to see anything, so I was really

526
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,119
surprised when we did, or when I did.

527
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,839
Speaker 6: I don't know how much Dean really actually saw.

528
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,759
Speaker 2: No, I saw things as well, Like I'll be honest,

529
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,240
I saw things that I.

530
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,359
Speaker 5: Think were they move in different ways, and it was

531
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,119
just different. It was very different to anything that I've

532
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,400
ever watched growing up, and my family always watched these guys.

533
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,839
We would the meteor showers, like you'd go out, you'd

534
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,400
go sit on the back of the car, and you'd

535
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,440
watch them for hours. But things that I saw that

536
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:59,359
night were not I've never seen those. So it was.

537
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,079
Speaker 6: Very out So thank you for the experience.

538
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: But I was like, I would never have guessed that

539
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,200
I would see anything that I Like, I thought like, oh,

540
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,119
i'll see if you satellite, it's like we're gonna go

541
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,839
and see some stars at Flutter and yeah, couple satellite

542
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:16,880
Like yeah, that's it.

543
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the skies are quite a quite a bit different nowadays.

544
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Well maybe that's something you should tell Zach because we

545
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,400
haven't told him yet about our follow on experience.

546
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,279
Speaker 6: M from the fourth you're talking to Zach or me.

547
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,079
Speaker 2: I'm talking to you. I'm talking yeah, Okay.

548
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:49,759
Speaker 5: So after we had been to your event, we were

549
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,160
we had fireworks on the fourth of July. My family

550
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,240
was there, was Dean, Chloe. We had an amazing time.

551
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:58,680
And then also we just all started looking I don't

552
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680
know who noticed it first. Who noticed it?

553
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Maybe your brother might have been my brother, and what

554
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,599
is that?

555
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 5: What is that in the sky And we're like, oh,

556
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,480
and me and Dean were like looking up. It was

557
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,400
the same things that we had seen at your event.

558
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,839
Speaker 6: So we're like, that's weird. Because me and Dean.

559
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,279
Speaker 5: Sit outside every night looking at the skies again for

560
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,000
two years now, like two summers, like we've been literally

561
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,039
like we've watched the skies for shooting stars whatever. We're

562
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,079
just looking at the stars. Never have we ever ever

563
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,880
seen these things? And then what was it?

564
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,279
Speaker 6: A week?

565
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 5: Two weeks after the event, we're again, but we're seeing

566
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,079
them at Dean's place.

567
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,039
Speaker 6: We're not doing the meditation.

568
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 5: Circle, but we're not doing we're just having fireworks and

569
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,759
doing our Fourth of July thing, and the same things

570
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:55,160
start appearing We're like, oh and my brother and my

571
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,400
brother was super exciting.

572
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 6: Even my parents were like, that's that's crazy, like we've.

573
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Never seen Everybody was that's the thing. Like everybody there

574
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,799
was really shocked at what we were seeing, and maybe

575
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:07,599
in some ways most of all Sam and I because

576
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,719
we watched the skies here all the time, and straight

577
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719
away Sam and I are like, this is exactly the

578
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,079
same as last weekend. What on earth.

579
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,199
Speaker 3: Things are changing?

580
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,519
Speaker 2: You know?

581
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was.

582
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: It was weird, and so now it's super like now

583
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,000
I'm questioning, like why did we see those again? Where

584
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,320
are we seeing these here? And then we had we

585
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,599
saw them again the week after the fourth me indeed,

586
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,360
it wasn't like us. I think my brother and my

587
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,519
son saw the most like amazing like thing of all

588
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,039
of it, but we didn't. I don't think any anybody

589
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,360
else didn't see that. It was like a triangle of

590
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,280
those forbes and they were like coming together and all

591
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,000
of a sudden, like something happened.

592
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 6: And my brother was like, I've never seen that. My

593
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,480
brother is older than I am.

594
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 5: He's like, I've never seen that ever, and he's just

595
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,039
like me, watch the skies. You live in the country,

596
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:01,760
he sees lots of things. But then Dean and I

597
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,199
had seen I think maybe one or maybe there were

598
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,440
maybe two or three actually like the weekend after, but

599
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,039
that was it. There was like nothing spectacular, but it

600
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,400
was the same like light and the same movement.

601
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 6: And then I've seen nothing since then.

602
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: So do you get that sometimes that people who come

603
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,320
to an event see things more in the in the

604
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,760
period following, or because we were really we were both

605
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,119
really surprised.

606
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's something I tell everyone that you know,

607
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,199
the kind of alert on your way home or your

608
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,440
dreams afterwards, and they have the following days. You know,

609
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:47,679
people have reports of different things happening, different forms of contact. Yeah,

610
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,880
I think someone from actually yeah, it was the last,

611
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,480
the last meeting, the one that you guys are at too.

612
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,360
She had a kind of like a healing type experience afterwards,

613
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,880
and you know when it didn't left a mark on

614
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,719
our arm that had been kind of marked years prior

615
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,159
to that. Who in a similar sort of experience that

616
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,920
she had. And then after that meeting she went home

617
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,000
and there was some very vivid dreams, say it happened,

618
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,039
and then this mark showed back up and so there

619
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,679
they're coming out quite a bit more, and you know,

620
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,880
how they're able to interact with us and get involved

621
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,199
is becoming a lot more prevalent. So they're just yeah,

622
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,679
waiting for us to just waiting for us to ask

623
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,760
to invite them in and saying we're ready help us out.

624
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: Well, Sam, did you have another question before I ask one?

625
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 5: I'm so like a little the whole you're waiting for

626
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,400
the question, like you waited for the question, and then

627
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,760
the circle waited for the question, right, Like you guys

628
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,719
were all part of the circle. Dean and I were

629
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,639
not part of the circle and the meditation, we still.

630
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,599
Speaker 6: Saw that, So like that's what That's what kind of

631
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,199
like creeps me in a little bit about the whole situation.

632
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:16,519
Speaker 5: Now.

633
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 6: I'm still like we're still after the fact.

634
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind of goes to like the whole,

635
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,280
you know, like who it applies to and who this

636
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,360
reaches and everything. You know, it's not something that you

637
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,559
have to be devout Buddhist monk or you know, you

638
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,760
don't have to give up sugar, sodas or anything like that.

639
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,199
You know, you can you can drink a bush light

640
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,920
and still talk to aliens. You know, they're they're friendly

641
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:54,840
and approachable like that, you know, and we we treat

642
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,000
the situation lightly, but you know, at the same point,

643
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:02,280
it's still what we're doing. There's a serious aspect to it.

644
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,800
You treat it the same way like you would with

645
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,960
like anyone that you were going to like great lengths

646
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,599
to go visit or do something for. You know, you

647
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:17,079
don't show up schnock or drunk or you'll zoot it

648
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,320
off of goofballs or anything. You know, you'd be respectful

649
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,199
and everything. But you know, being being genuine and authentic

650
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,960
is really the biggest thing. So if you're doing that

651
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000
and having a good time, then that really goes farther

652
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:39,639
than you know, hours of meditative practice. And I don't

653
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,119
want to say fake fronts, but you know, thinking you

654
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,400
have to dress a certain way, or you have to

655
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:50,400
you know, burn a certain incense or something. You know,

656
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:55,000
those things can certainly help you at all. And you know,

657
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,639
what you want to get out of the experience is

658
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,679
kind of the level that you put into it. But yeah,

659
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,239
if you're just hoping to kind of come and experience

660
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,440
and observe and see what happens, they're likely to pop

661
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:17,800
by and give you something I think, Well, again, my

662
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,320
trip out to Washington, I got to spend some time

663
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,199
with my son and his friends and we went camping

664
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,519
and just really without doing any ceremony at all, I

665
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,599
just kind of just kind of put it out there, Hey,

666
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:35,159
if you could just kind of throw some fireworks in

667
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:39,559
the sky, something that the kids can see. They're twenty

668
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:44,360
and twenty one, but yeah, this isn't something at the

669
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,159
forefront of the of their pursuits right now. You know,

670
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:52,119
they're trying to make a go in the world and

671
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,000
all that, so they're not really too worried about sasquatches

672
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:01,280
or aliens out there, but being out there and asking

673
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,760
for that. Their flashbulbs were just going bonkers that night,

674
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,159
towards to the point where they were seeing them and

675
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,840
they're like, what was that? There was another one? Like

676
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,559
there it was again. I was like, yeah, they're showing

677
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:17,920
up for you, well, just enough to make you think.

678
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,679
Speaker 2: Were there more things seen after Sam and I left,

679
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,679
because I know a lot of you camped out at

680
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,360
the location after and we'll get to some of the

681
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,960
techniques you use the light and sound, which I find fascinating.

682
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,320
But after all of that kind of had stopped and

683
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,920
Sam and I finished filming and drove home. I know

684
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,480
a lot of you stayed and camped and still watched

685
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,519
the skies and sat near looking towards the woodline. Did

686
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,320
you have many more experiences that night?

687
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,039
Speaker 3: Okay? I think there was some other flashes and they

688
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,840
think it was like a swimmer or two that went by,

689
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:58,039
So I mean, no, no one came by and landed

690
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:02,280
or anything like that, But there was just some other

691
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,800
light activity.

692
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: And you've loaded another video here from that It is

693
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,880
from that night, I think, Is that right?

694
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: Or yeah?

695
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you want do you want to play that one?

696
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can play that real quick.

697
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll put it up and I'll let you know, right.

698
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: Because yeah, there was actually quite a bit going on

699
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:21,440
while we were while like the music, its lights were

700
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480
all going on. There was quite a bit happening up there.

701
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,199
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll put that up and then we'll talk a

702
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,639
little bit about the lots of music.

703
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just like a couple of flashes there at

704
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,280
the beginning, and a lot of these are kind of

705
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,239
single frame flashes that I captured.

706
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,079
Speaker 3: And this was our first event with the four DJ

707
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:35,360
service like this, right, it was exciting and then yeah,

708
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,119
that very last one was kind of one of those swimmers.

709
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,039
Speaker 2: Just fascinating. Talk a little bit about you said it

710
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,119
was the first time you did the lights show and

711
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,920
had the music, and you also told me, and it's

712
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:50,159
in home movie Legendship it's part of the interview of

713
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:52,920
yours that we used. The whole interview was great, but

714
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,119
obviously the show's only short format, so we kind of

715
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,199
use so much. But that before you there'd been a

716
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,159
French group back in the day that had done this

717
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,840
kind of stuff. Can you can you talk a little

718
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,440
bit about that.

719
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: Or yeah, getting their name right now, but uh, I.

720
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: Think you said it was Eighth the Ship or the

721
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,559
Eighth the Ship or something.

722
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:17,159
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, ether Ship And they were you know, experimenting

723
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:23,599
with using you know, light and sound, sound technology music

724
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,760
to kind of channel contact through and supposedly they were

725
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,599
having some good successes with it, and Jack Valet had

726
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,599
worked with them, and yeah, then that had actually became

727
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,159
inspiration for the Close Encounters of the Third Kind movie

728
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,079
when there was backside of Devil's Tower kind of with

729
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:52,119
the big keyboard and lightboard and I, uh, yeah, so

730
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,679
I kind of leaned into that and then well and

731
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,800
then with my kind of et contacts, the ones that

732
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,519
I talked to ask to show up to these events,

733
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,840
they're all about it too, because anything that in that

734
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,719
game gets that vibration up and enjoy you know, dancing people,

735
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,639
kind of being together and just being kind of happiness,

736
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,119
those really long long ways.

737
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: So we had a question from squatch Mama, who's a

738
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,880
regular listener and viewer of the show, and she asks,

739
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,760
you seem incredibly calm and grounded, mister Screerdy. How do

740
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,920
you stay so composed in the moment? I think I

741
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,880
would be way too excited. I don't know.

742
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: I guess I've had my excited moments already. I've kind

743
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,400
of gotten that phase through and had my initial experiences

744
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,840
and gotten through that big oh wow period. So yeah,

745
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,079
now it's kind of my turn to stay cool and

746
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,639
calm and collected and grounded and help others through it

747
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:02,119
and you know, guide everyone else, uh to the experience

748
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,599
and be able to observe them enjoy it.

749
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: So many other questions. I'll sam something too, I found

750
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,960
and maybe maybe maybe you can tell me. It's an

751
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,599
It's interesting because you with somebody who was an experiencer

752
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:24,159
as well, so of the Nazi events. How did you

753
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,719
feel what the energy was like, how did you feel

754
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:27,639
the vibe was there?

755
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:34,599
Speaker 6: Sam, It's very comfortable. It was very accepting, very comfortable,

756
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,800
very like trust.

757
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,159
Speaker 5: I've been like in woods with the fires, bonfires everything,

758
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,800
and even then you kind of feel uneasy.

759
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 6: Sometimes you have like.

760
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,199
Speaker 5: Like you know, like there's the back for you and

761
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,960
you know what's going to come out of there, like

762
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,800
you're always you're anticipating something to happen, right, but like

763
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,400
there was just a just a very calm, very calm

764
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,519
and I wouldn't have expected that doing what what you

765
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,079
were doing, right, Like would I would have been like, oh,

766
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:08,360
we're seeing stuff like I should be scared, like I

767
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,400
should be. But it was a very calm, very accepting atmosphere,

768
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,880
Like it was very good. It was very very chill,

769
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:20,239
just like your maybe it's you, maybe it's because you

770
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:27,000
are super chill, but it was a very chill, chill

771
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:27,960
place to be like.

772
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 6: It was very accepting.

773
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:31,519
Speaker 3: So no, thanks, thanks that much.

774
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 6: It was very different than I've ever ever had before.

775
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 3: So I wanted to hear that. I'm glad it felt that

776
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:44,639
way to you, because yeah, if you would see if

777
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,599
you would have looked it up on Google Maps. When

778
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,239
I moved in. Originally there was just a trailer back

779
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,320
there in the middle of the woods and it's in

780
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,840
the middle of Adams County. That would make a lot

781
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,159
of people feel very unchill.

782
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 5: So you ever have any fillings before you did this stuff,

783
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,920
like when you were there and you first started cleaning it, Like.

784
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,519
Speaker 6: Do you have unshow fillings?

785
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 5: Like were you ever like, oh, this is maybe not

786
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:15,840
the place, but I'm going to make it the place.

787
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole big news articles and everything on that.

788
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:26,639
It had some pretty rowdy history when I, uh, when

789
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:30,400
I bought it and moved in, so it Yeah, land

790
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,599
carried quite a bit of trauma and yeah I went

791
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:35,960
through quite a bit to get that cleaned up and

792
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:40,719
straightened out. Yeah. Yeah, so we can do this type

793
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,119
of work. Yeah it was. It was crazy, yeah, kind

794
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,960
of what we went through day one to get it

795
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,440
to where it is now. But yeah, it was all

796
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,599
for a purpose and yeah good in the end.

797
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: It was the atmosphere different with the with the music

798
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,960
and with the lights, and then it feels like other

799
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,119
events that you've hosted or been to. Do you think

800
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,440
that made a difference to the vibe of the night.

801
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Did that make a difference to the success of the night,

802
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,000
like maybe maybe talk a little bit about that.

803
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it did. I think it added another

804
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:21,920
layer of enrichment to the evening, kind of like the

805
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,199
same if you watched a movie that had no music,

806
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,559
if you watched the sound of music, you know, on

807
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,760
mute or with just the dialogue, feel kind of weird

808
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,039
because you know, we've played kind of some stuff on

809
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:38,000
a speaker in the background before and during the meditation

810
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:42,079
there's some you know, kind of HEMI synk music playing,

811
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,880
but yeah, this was the first time we're really kind

812
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,239
of got up and never run into it. So yeah,

813
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,480
it will definitely be a recurring element.

814
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 2: Did the attendees were they like, yeah, this is something

815
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,079
we should be doing going forward, more music, more sound.

816
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. There was some you know,

817
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,679
it was positive feedback all the way around on it,

818
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,400
and some people on like violin not necessarily everyone's style

819
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:23,079
of music and lights and dance, you know, so you know,

820
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:30,159
well tailor certain weekends to more of that and you know,

821
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:33,440
tune it down for other ones for other people that

822
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:37,760
aren't you know, into so much of the dancing scene.

823
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:42,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's been a history in older

824
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:48,400
religious traditions and various occult practices and various but I

825
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,920
guess pagan and even some Christian festivals throughout the Middle

826
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,760
Ages where music and you know, and maybe not a

827
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,800
light show then, but certainly people then would have had

828
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,920
fires and you know, so it would have been lights.

829
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,119
It would just have been you organized differently, seems to

830
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,440
have been a part of some of these type of

831
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,079
attempts in the past to contact the others. So I

832
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,039
don't while I might have thought instantly that that would

833
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,880
be something that would be a part of a process

834
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,719
like this or an event like this, it kind of

835
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,400
makes sense when you look at the history of contacting

836
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,440
you know, the other or these having these type of experiences.

837
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, certain levels of like chanting and gnoming, right, and

838
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,599
do it too, yeah right?

839
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: So how often how often are you go? I don't know,

840
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,440
because I was lucky enough to be invited to that one.

841
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,719
But do you are you planning on hosting these events

842
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,400
somewhat regularly, like monthly, bi annually, every few months every

843
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,480
I don't know how what your plan is going forward?

844
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,599
How from you you think you'll have these events? Yeah?

845
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're doing monthly right now. So yeah, the

846
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:05,239
next one is the Saturday, oh wow at seven, yeah, August.

847
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: First, do you tend to vet people that come to

848
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,920
these like we were lucky enough to be have been

849
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,480
invited by the wonderful Melissa Kaine who runs Contact Modalities

850
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,559
Expo and I was a speaker there and she knows

851
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,239
Sam and I. But is it something that you're you

852
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,320
guys are kind of careful on who you know you're

853
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,920
going to just let come to this and have this

854
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000
experience or how do you how do you work that

855
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:30,519
aspect of it out.

856
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: And the people that need to be there or there?

857
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,840
So it's kind of worked pretty well.

858
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,639
Speaker 2: You know, I think everybody there was, you know, there

859
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:43,039
didn't seem to be any problem. I can imagine sometimes

860
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,000
in an event like this there was, you know, just

861
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,679
a public announcement. I can imagine some people who might

862
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,320
show up would be disruptive or might be crazy, or

863
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,599
might be problematic in some other way or yeah, yeah, and.

864
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: I mean we'll get them and you know, you deal

865
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,480
with them in the case by cases they come with.

866
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,639
It was one thing I actually talked with James Gillian

867
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,559
at E set. You know and yeah, I'm kind of

868
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,719
doing a similar thing here in Wisconsin. You know, if

869
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,239
you had any pointers or whatever, and he just kind

870
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:18,440
of almost had the spaced off stair and just you're

871
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,159
going to meet some weird people.

872
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: If some if somebody did want to have this type

873
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,239
of experience as part of as part of your group

874
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,760
or as part of your events, is there a way

875
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,960
they can reach out to be vetted first? Or is

876
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,519
this is there any way somebody who doesn't know you

877
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,320
or I or Melissa Kane or part of you know,

878
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,480
your bigger group, Is there a way somebody can can

879
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,039
knock on the door or an email or anything like

880
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,199
or a place that they can reach out to.

881
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,119
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, we kind of operate the Facebook group primarily.

882
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,519
I've got a website being developed right now that going

883
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,119
to be stood up any day. Now we'll go into

884
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:11,039
the Wildcat sky Ranch phase of operations. So I don't

885
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:14,639
know who Elp Pirrato is, but he was someone that

886
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:15,639
came from Cannon.

887
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,199
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know what Wildcat is. Maybe

888
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:20,360
you can feel it, feel.

889
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: The Wildcat energy now. It was the nickname I picked

890
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
up while I was in the Air Force at Cannon

891
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:37,199
Airwolf oz Airwolf. So yeah, you get fun connections like

892
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,079
this to life. But uh yeah, nicknamed it stuck, and yeah,

893
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,800
we're applying it to the name of this and we'll

894
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,840
be offering individual sessions and yeah, it's gonna be a

895
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,519
whole big thing.

896
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:57,079
Speaker 2: One prep spinal question and then we'll talk about the

897
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,960
Facebook group again and how people find that. Are the

898
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,239
precautions or do you ever think it's dangerous to it

899
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,760
in these kind of channels or encourage things in, or

900
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,599
like you ever worried about having a negative intelligence or

901
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,000
negative presence come or how do you deal with that

902
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:14,599
type of thing?

903
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the group deal like I will put out

904
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,320
lots of protection like stuff as we do the meditation.

905
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:29,679
There's lots of things beforehand. The site alone is the

906
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:37,360
huge amount of protection. But yeah, it absolutely can draw

907
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:41,519
negative things in. I mean when I started, I have

908
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,400
no clue at all what I was doing. I was

909
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,440
just wild West out there gun slinging in the ethers,

910
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:50,119
having a good old time. And yeah, a lot of

911
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,920
negative stuff got kicked up in the in the meantime,

912
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:56,000
and yeah, figure out how to deal with all of

913
00:54:56,039 --> 00:55:00,280
them was a whole big process. But yeah, been in

914
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,239
the group keeping positive in there, keeping you know, the

915
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,639
power of love foremost.

916
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,159
Speaker 5: And.

917
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,599
Speaker 3: You know, in the forefront more than anything, you know,

918
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,400
really keeps us pretty safe throughout it all.

919
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: No, it's like Sam and I said, it didn't didn't

920
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,039
There was funny because I said that the similar thing

921
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:25,559
before Sam came on, that it didn't feel like it

922
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,920
was a negative space at all. But I'm always concerned

923
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,719
with opening those doors, you know, often occultist, I've noticed

924
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,440
it be careful the doors you open, and and I

925
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,039
tend to feel that with myself. But I'm glad that

926
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:38,800
you've that you've experienced that and you have a sense

927
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,679
of of how to how to stop that from happening.

928
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,559
So maybe let's point people at the Facebook group. So

929
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,039
how do they find the Facebook group?

930
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: You can just search Wisconsin CE five and then we'll

931
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,000
take your right to it. Yeah, you ask to join

932
00:55:56,119 --> 00:56:00,280
and get you included in there. And then that's got

933
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,440
the calendar with all the events in it and kind

934
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,119
of some of the discussion of what's going on. People

935
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:09,920
post things in there here and there. But then we

936
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,920
have the website coming on that'll have pages for each

937
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,119
event and where people can kind of leave their experiences

938
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:22,039
and sending photos and videos and then we'll have a

939
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,840
nice little kind of journal and archive of everything. Also

940
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,000
is moving along.

941
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 2: Do you have a do you have I know it's

942
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,639
not up yet, but do you have do you have

943
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,280
what your domain name will be yet?

944
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:38,519
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it'll be well, it'll be wildcatsky ranch dot.

945
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,599
Speaker 2: Com wildcatsky ranch dot com all one word, yep, all

946
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,000
on word. Okay, because somebody might be listening to this

947
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,400
well after, you know, July thirtieth, twenty twenty six, so

948
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,880
then they might be able to go straight to that

949
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,199
and find you there as well.

950
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,519
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And we're also kind of putting a mirror

951
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,119
up of it of just it's just Wisconsin CE five

952
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,159
so you know, people Google, how can I see five

953
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,519
in Wisconsin or whatever, it'll get it to it'll get

954
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:06,559
them to us as well.

955
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: Well. Zach, thanks so much for coming on, and Sam,

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thank you for joining us as well tonight. It was

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fun to have you here as well to talk to Zach. Yeah,

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that's about it for me. I'm really grateful that you

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that you came on. Zach. It was so great to

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have you and you were such a wonderful host when

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you had us to the event. We're so grateful that

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we were able to shoot Home Movie Legend Trip. There

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that our third episode, and anybody who might want to

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watch some of that can easily find Home Movie Legendship

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the YouTube channel, or you can find it also on Facebook,

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and you can watch the UFO Contact one which features

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Zach and his wonderful event. So thank you Zach for

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being here with us tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Dean and Sam. Yeah, thanks for coming out

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and enjoying having your experience and having me on the show.

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And yeah, keeping this going.

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Speaker 2: Well until I talked to you you Zach, which hopefully

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will be in the near future, and until I talk

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to you Sam, which will hopefully be very soon. And

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before I say goodbye, Sam, is there anything you wanted

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to say because I was about to do my sign up.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Za so much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure thing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and Zach and Sam and everybody else that

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I'll talk to next week, Same Weird time, nine pm Central,

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Thursday night, Same Weird network, the Untold Radio Network. Please

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keep it weird.