Speaker 1: The paranormal, UFOs, monsters Mysteries. As you're listening to Talking
Weird and now from a Kevin deep in the northwards,
your host, doctor Dean Bertram.
Speaker 2: Who Greetings on my fellow widows and weirdos. Welcome to
Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,
Dean Bertram, and as always, I'm delighted that you're going
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you're here with me live now or somewhere in the future. Greetings,
I'm having a great summer. I hope you are all too.
I am having an amazing time with my daughter. It's
always fund the summer to go to the lake and
the like and run around outside and go on adventures.
But I'm also having a great fun summer going on
trips with my amazing girlfriend Samantha Crawsey, who many of
you know who are regulars now shooting our show home
movie Legend Trip. We just shot an episode at UFO
Days in Elmwood, Wisconsin. UFO Days is a celebration of
the many UFO sidings, particularly significant string of sightings in
Elmwood in the nineteen seventies and that became such a
popular UFO hotspot there was talk and an initial plan
to actually build a UFO landing port there, the type
recommended by Donald Keo, the head of NICAP, back in
the nineteen sixties when he recommended doing it, and this
was obviously flash forward to the eighties, but it almost happened.
We almost had a UFO landing port and hence the
moniker I guess of the town the UFO Capital of
the World. That episode is coming up. We're also going
to Lake Peppin this weekend and we'll be looking for
the Lake Pepn Monster. Peppy and Chad Lewis will be
in that which is amazing. We recently shot in the
most recent episode. The fictured person in that episode is
our guest that we have tonight, and he's a heck
of a nice human being as well. Was super knowledgeable
in all things weird, particularly when it comes to extraterrestrials
and interdimensional beings and the modalities we might use to
contact them. And he's a US Air Force veteran, a
consciousness research and founder of Central Wisconsin C five, a
group dedicated to exploring peaceful contact with extraterrestrial and inter
dimensional intelligences through conscious based practices, drawing from his studies
at the renowned Monroe Institute. I'll have to ask him
a little bit about that tonight and his own transformative
experiences he combines. He combines a grounded practical approach with
a deep exploration of meditation, expanded states of awareness, and
human initiated contact. And since founding Central Wisconsin C five
in twenty twenty two, he's a guy added hundreds of
participants through C five protocols, and Sam and I both
watched him and filmed him doing it firsthand, and it
was absolutely fascinating, as well as the experiences that came
after there after that. He's also done and read many
group coherence exercises and SkyWatch events designed to foster meaningful
contact experiences. Through education, personal testimony, and experiential learning, he
encourages others to explore the connection between consciousness, multi demands, reality,
and humanity's place in the greater cosmos. So I'm delighted
to welcome to Talking Weird, the wonderful Zach Screedy, Zach.
Speaker 3: Hey, Dean, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Man. Did I get the pronunciation of your last name
correct as well?
Speaker 3: Perfect?
Speaker 2: I thought so, Man. I had such a great time
Eiso did Sam when you were you, and initially it
was Melissa Kaine who put me in touch with you,
and you guys are very kindly had me to your
recent C five contact event in not that far from me,
maybe an hour and a half away. That we was
absolutely which was absolutely amazing. And maybe we'll get to that,
particularly if Sam Krousy, my filmmaking partner and girlfriend, drops in,
because I know she wanted to talk more about that,
and I think she's coming tonight to talk about it.
But perhaps it is an obvious first question, but I'm
genuinely interested because I didn't get to talk to you
about this at all when we were at your contact event.
What initially drew you into trying to illicit contact with
the outher What took you down this path?
Speaker 4: I think it was it was kind of on the
tail end of COVID and I finally had watched one
of Stephen Greer's documentaries Unacknowledged, and at the end of
it they kind of introduced the.
Speaker 3: Ce vive process and like everyone was out here doing this,
and I said, Wow, this is awesome because I just
saw a bunch of other stuff in the documentary that
I had been part of on the back end in
my time in the Air Force. So it was all
of a sudden like, oh, wow, cool, we can like
talk about the stuff in the open now, and you know,
there's a way that we can go make our own contact.
And it just yeah, took off from there.
Speaker 2: Wow. Did you when you had to learn the protocols
or learn how to do it yourself? I know it
mentioned in your bio which I'm also fascinated that you
spent some time at the Monroe Institute. Was that part
of the processes that did you learn the processes there
perhaps to.
Speaker 3: Do this or no, not really, and they kind of
they get close to it, and there are some star
Lines programs that you can get to you know, you
kind of have to follow through a few different courses
to get there, but it's kind of an area that
they fall short on. So you know, there's still an
institute and they have to kind of follow certain rules
and things, and yeah, there's that's kind of one of
their fences that they.
Speaker 2: Had gotch Did that help? Did that help you develop
some of your I suppose abilities or your protocols or
ways to think in these type of directions though?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. It was amazing experienced to go through.
And I think I had been kind of I started
meditating and was into this process probably two years before
going there, and it put a lot of things into
context and organized through a lot of the sort of
ethical things that I was experiencing. And then to get
there and talk to people that are you know, experiencing
the same things, and you know, you're you're meeting these
people like kind of out there. You know, while you're
in meditation, you're interacting with you know, people that you know,
you know in the physical sense as well. So it
was a real magical place in that sense.
Speaker 2: Wow, I think that this is an interesting path we
can go down for a minute, maybe talk a little
bit about your experiences before perhaps that you had this
type of skill sets and abilities you've developed now and
how they how they changed, or how your understanding of
these things changed, and how that might have actually now
impact your actual experiences, like the difference perhaps as you've grown.
Speaker 3: In this Yeah, because it's yeah, it's been a fluid process,
and you know, depending on who you talk to and
like you know, the wider community, there's purists that will
say that things have to be done like exactly this
way and you have to be of this vibration, and
you know, it's you know, it is a sacred process
kind of no matter at what level you're doing with
and you know, just having the kind of honor and
respect for that, you know, it's really the prerequisite. But
you know, it's something that anyone can do, and it's
something that we can do at different levels, you know,
just like athletics or sports. You know, we can be
a weekend enthusiast or you know, you can be a
professional money making you know, athlete doing it for a living.
So whatever fits people, And so my process is kind
of followed along that too. I saw the structured detailed
like step one, step two, step three, you know, do
it by the book, you know, taking notes the whole way,
and then see Moore kind of laid back methods into it.
And that's kind of that's where I fall into a
lot of it. Lately. They've been a lot of like
channelings that I'll get. So there's pre like set up
and preparation really hardly isn't anything. It's just get everyone
there and on the same page and then just kind
of let it flow through and it just will walk
us through rush through the meditation more or less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to talk about the channelings. And I mean,
so I know that I was actually surprised in a
pleasant way of how relaxed you made that atmosphere there.
It didn't feel like people, it didn't seem stressful at all.
Everybody seemed I mean, zen's a kind of hockey word,
you know, but it had that real feeling of everybody
was very relaxed. There was no pressure. There just seemed
to be a genuine peaceful presence or a peaceful environment there.
And then you, I think you do a very good
job yourself at facilitating that because you're a very relaxed
kind of kind of human being. Thanks. That's good here
In case Sam does drop on. We're going to come
back to the event I was at anyway, because there's
a number of things I still want to talk to
you about that, but maybe we can just because we're
going to come back maybe and we want to get
to the channeling as well. But maybe jump forward to
your most recent event, because the funniest thing is you
told me you've just done this event. We were backstage
before it started. You literally just said you'd just been
set and the second you said it, Flat Rockland aka
Matt Auckland is a good friend of mine, a good
friend of the show. He's guested on the show. He'd
seen you for the photo we had of the thumbnail.
He hadn't seen the show at all yet because it
hadn't started, and he just commented, Zach looks like he
belongs at EAT said, he ranch in trout Lake. And
you were literally just telling me that you literally just
come back from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there a week ago, about a week
and a half ago. Yeah, we did a remote viewing
with well ye had another Ossie Peter Maxwell Slatery and
you know, stayed there for a couple of nights of
skywatchers and kind of toured around the area and everything.
Speaker 2: Did you have more did you find there was? There
were more contacts to be had there or more activity
there than say when when you're the location in Wisconsin
that I was at, or.
Speaker 3: Yeah there was, I mean I guess about the same
for me. You know a lot of new stuff, let
of new energies and contacts for me, especially with Mount
Adams in the backdrop. That was that was really.
Speaker 2: Cool that it sounds like it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, being able to kind of connect with some of
the things living in there, and you know, they showed up,
had kind of lights show up on the mountain out there.
He had the video queued up. If we wanted to
get into.
Speaker 2: That, I'd love you to play. Did you name me
to uprade it here for you? Did we say? Or
maybe you can let me add it to the stage and.
Speaker 3: There we go. Yeah. So yeah, that was just a
light that was just piercing through the clouds as they
were going through. Like definitely not the moon that was
over in that area. Yeah. Yeah, things like that, streaking
by big power up flat is shoes like that.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: You know, there's different opinions on what some of these
may be and and all that satellites going by and
sun bouncing off the panels and such. But a lot
of them came in in conjunction with different communications. And yeah,
these are the lights that come out up on the
and yeah, James Gillian and he was there and he's
tell his own Yeah, the doors are open, so you know,
they're kind of open up their doors and come out
and say hi to us more or less. And yeah,
I was talking with another local individual there that knows
them all real well. And like that whole area where
those are that's not really climbable accessible terrain. The rock
the heart just kind of sheets off. You can't get
up it at all.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: One's may able to tackle anything there yet. Is exactly
what they are.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you questions about all this afterwards,
but I'll let you continue to a rate as the
video plays.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I think that was the end of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool those Yeah for starters. Let's set the geography
for those of us who aren't that familiar. So is
Mount Adams near Mount Rainier is? I mean, I know
a little bit about that part of the world and
some of the cascades and things.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was about an hour hour and a
half south. Ever in your kind of the self central
area of the state.
Speaker 2: And there's there's talk or legends or reports of things
living inside that mountain you kind of alluded to and
coming out of what's the background of that story or
those stories? Are the things that are meant to be there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there's been a lot of them.
That whole area is just covered with you know, sasquatch tales.
And then the other local individuals were telling me too
some of the military activity that they've seen around there
coming through Chinook helicopters coming by, and weird times, especially
when the lights were more active than not, and hearing
other sounds and pressures and weird occurrences like associated with
the helicopters too. So I think, yeah, there's been activity
there for quite a while. Is Yeah. James is his
fortieth year there at the ranch, and that's when he
was kind of initially guided there kind of because you
know they're there in the mountain, you know, willing to
talk with them and show people and yeah, introduce I'll
sendto the other room other worlds more or less.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Matt Auckland's from that part of the world,
and he's just been saying how it's just like you
were saying, it's a hot spot. And he's even had
experiences there and seeing all kinds of strange things. So
what a fascinating part of the world was it is there?
Did you stay like a base camp there or what
did what did you guys?
Speaker 3: What was just saying like, yeah, I brought I brought
my tent and just kind of a little camp set up.
And he's got a couple of different cabin setups there
and little like ten setups too that you can just
pay to stay in and I think they offer breakfasts
and then yeah, and then there's usually different events and
workshops and things that get hosted there throughout the year
and you can go kind of participate in. And it
seems like just about everyone has some sort of experience
or you know, witnesses something going through the sky or
you know, the real uh treat making personal contact with
something while they're there.
Speaker 2: Did you feel you made a contact while you were there?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. Well but yeah, the mountain dwellers there,
and it's just kind of some of the other energies
that were local to the to that to his ranch
and that.
Speaker 2: Area the mountain dwell was the bigfoot you were talking
about before. Are they something else?
Speaker 3: These I believe were something else. It felt like to
me they were kind of friends with, for lack of
a better term, you know, with sasquatches and those types
of beings. But they were, you know, kind of their
own thing there in that mountain, and you know, they're
more or less just waiting for the day that we
can interact directly, and you know, kind of falled into
one here on the planet. And it's not just humans
and the animals walking around here on the surface.
Speaker 2: Well is it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Is it a technological civilization or just a spiritual civilization?
Speaker 3: Were more like the natural side of things?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, so more perhaps like I don't know, the
fair folk or the other crowd or something like that. Yeah, fascinating,
That's fascinating and that I almost can't help so I go, oh, yeah,
like the elementals and such.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was that a similar energy or a similar feeling that
because I know in the location we were out in Wisconsin,
in that beautiful property, you were saying that there there
were like forest type dwellers or there were things which
were more of that type of nature. Was it a
similar Are they a similar entity or was it a
similar feeling or a similar energy or yeah.
Speaker 3: Some of them being the same, like, you know, the
same like we see white deal white tail deer here.
You know, they would have some mule deer out there.
Speaker 2: Kind of.
Speaker 3: Same species or related species, and.
Speaker 2: So this is a similar So this would be a
similar kind of thing that potentially related that the type
of different things in the other location, it'd be. To
be honest, when we were there, and I had such
an enjoyable time and really fulfilling time making the home
moview legendship there with such a and I know Samantha
did it as well, but I would have loved it.
Was great. I mean this we were I'll be honest,
you've watched it when we were going there, that little
conversation with me and sam and the cars. Genuine I
was just filming and she was like, I don't think
we're going to say anything. By the end of that,
she had an entirely different, you know, impression, because we
did see things. So I think it was quite illuminating
for both of us. But you know what fascinated me
the most, I got to talk to you a little
bit about but of course I was more interested in,
you know, filming what was going on and trying to
capture things in the sky and stuff. Was that you
said there you get just as much contact with the
things in the woods as you do with the things
in the sky. Can you talk a little bit about
that and the differences or and dealing with them and
what they are and you know, anything you want to
talk about that, I'd love to hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, because I mean I want to set out
on this. It was originally you know, pointed at extraterrestrials
aliens going out into our space tape things, and yeah,
we hung under that for a little while. And it
was I was that two almost three years ago, I
guess we were standing outside on one of our meetings
and it looked like a meteord flying overhead. I about
all of us saw it, and they were like, oh wow, cool.
And the camera was just kind of set up and
rolling by at the time, and it yeah, it happened
to fly right in front of the camera. So when
I sorry, I'm trying to find that video restoring too,
and uh, because they have When I went back to
look at the video the next morning and got through
and found it, and it was it did fly right
in front of the camera, but it wasn't a meteorite
at all because it came from the trees well, and
we saw it in person, looked like it was far
over our head and you know, putting out quite a
bit of quite a bit of light behind it. So
it was, Yeah, that was a pretty neat experience. And
so I've been kind of in contact with some of
these like fairy folk and some of the other like
you forest beings. Kind still feels a little crazy thinking
about were talking about it, but you know, there's forest
gnomes are a real thing, and they're around us, and
you know, these things that are occupying the same space
that that we do. So they're you know, very interested
in our activity and especially in regards to the to
the planet and how it's being treated and all that.
They very much like to see it survive along with them,
and you know, hopefully.
Speaker 2: Us anyone who's a regular at least view of the
show knows that. Well, maybe Ufo Lore is my wheelhouse.
The other thing I'm most interested in his fairy faith
and and the other crowd. And I think I'll say you,
I saw you just dropped another video that did you
want Did you want me to go ahead and play
that one for you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sure thing. Yeah, this is the of what we thought
was a meteorite flying overhead and yeah, right there we
can see like it just came from in front of
the trees and overhead.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And that kind of pattern because people have seen these
they call them rods, and they've been excited in daytime too,
and like kind of silver and color. But uh, that's
kind of what something looks like if it's flapping its
wings and you get kind of the time lapse picture
because it was what it was like fourteen frames a
second that was shot at and they got four four
frames of it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of like how stretched out the
image of it was. So when people were kind of,
you know, wondering what it was or oh, you know
it was bugs, it was a moth. That's what moss
looked like at night. Yeah, I'd say it had wings,
but it was it was putting out quite a bit
of light, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know you is that is that one
of the things you reference because I was fascinated when
we were there. You mentioned something that was the fireflies
that aren't fireflies, Like there were these lights in the
woods which which aren't fireflies but in some capacity might
resemble them a little or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they kind of been some little yellow sprinkles
like higher up in the trees at times when there
wouldn't normally be fireflies. And it's usually way too, way
cooler because they're normally out when it gets you into
the heat and humid aus you know, but we're seeing
them in like early April. Oh wow, we're actually at
a different place. But they were kind of sparkling like
that too, And a couple of people said something about it,
and we said, yeah, you know, what are they doing?
And as soon as we said that and acknowledged him
and all that, there wasn't a single one more like
the whole rest of the night, like they just completely
turned off.
Speaker 2: Goodness, that was kind of weird. They noticed, you noticed, right,
they've been had there you go, I can see Sam, now, Okay, sorry, Zach.
I was just about I was just about to ask
Zach a very dean question, and know what you asked
some questions, Sam. What I was about to ask was
I'm always interested in how much do you think we
bring to the phenomenon ourselves, like and you were who
were out there with various people coming and you know,
intentionally engaging with the other. Do you think sometimes we're
bringing our own perceptions and our own expectations and sometimes
the phenomenon is reflecting some of that back or how
much do you feel that a person's own subconscious or
a person's own perception effects there encounters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does. And because you know, people
can bring things along with them. You know, there's entities
out there that are attached to people. They've come along
and shown up to her to our meetings, one of
our regulars. She is a you know, some Sasquatch followings
that go back very very deep with her, and they've
come and crashed some trees down right as we started
meditations and stuff, and it's going well. I think they
came with her. And but yeah, and then a lot
of people, you know, you gonna get biases, and people
are going to see kind of what they want to
see sort of things, because people will see the same thing,
you know, go across the sky and interpret it differently.
So it's all open to that.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, I can't imagine that it doesn't
play play some significant part in our experiences with everything
even normal life, our preconceptions and going to affect our impressions.
You know that that we get Now Sam see we
can talk more about the actual We talked a little
bit about it. We tried to hold on till Sam
came here. The event that Sam and I were both
at when we filmed, when we filmed our home movie
Legend Trip episode there UFO Contact, which is so much fun.
People can go and find it on our YouTube and
they just go and look for home Movie Legend Trip
is the channel name if you want to see one
of Zack's amazing events and Sam like kind of bumbling
through it and I'm doing our best to record it.
Have fun.
Speaker 5: Is this?
Speaker 2: I know you wanted to ask sex some stuff, so
I'm gonna mute mine, Mike, Sam, so it doesn't like
echo over through yours and you can ask him whatever
you would like.
Speaker 5: No, I just feel really bad about the whole situation
going into it, being like the negative Nelly, So like,
do you ever do you ever look at somebody to
be like, Okay, they're not going to see anything like
they're they're that person? Because I felt that that I
was that person that night, Like I was the person
who's like, this isn't.
Speaker 6: Do you ever get that, like you just know somebody's
not with it?
Speaker 3: No, not really, because a lot of times, you know,
some of the biggest skeptics are the ones that need
like the biggest evidence out there, so they have the
they have the potential to draw in some big fireworks.
And from my perspective at least, but I mean, you
can definitely shut a lot of stuff down if you
want to be you know, a negative nelly about it.
You know, you can really turn the lights off on
a lot of things. Uh, you know, fear and negative
thinking does a lot to shut things down.
Speaker 6: So I mean, rich that I had that I shouldn't
say it was like negative.
Speaker 5: I just didn't think that I would have experienced anything,
So to me that was negative like on the whole process.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, other than I mean, just being open
is the biggest thing, you know, for people to just yeah,
be open for whatever, you know. But and then what
people define is an experience or you know, a citing
varies differently too, so it's kind of, yeah, what each
person wants to take away from it.
Speaker 2: We saw things, right, Sam, You saw even more than may.
Probably I know I saw stuff, but you were. You
were spending more time looking at the sky because I
was spending more time filming you looking at the sky
and filming other people looking at the sky. Maybe you
can talk about some of the things you saw there,
because again, you went in there not like a Debanka,
but you went in there with a fairly skeptical idea
that you know, you weren't going to say anything, So
maybe talk about the things you did see.
Speaker 5: There were so many like orbs in the sky that
I've never I've again, I've watched the skies my whole life.
Speaker 6: I grew up again sitting on a tramplane and.
Speaker 5: My haunted house, my aunts, haunted house, like we were
always looking for stuff, right, like always, always, always you
can tell a satellite from a shooting star from a
but that night, yeah, there were so many little orbs
that I would see.
Speaker 6: And then it wasn't just that I saw them, it was.
Speaker 5: How they moved and how they interacted with each other,
and it was just very different, and I didn't expect
that at all at all at all.
Speaker 6: So I was just really expressed because I wasn't part
of the whole you know, the meditation.
Speaker 5: Me and Dean were both like on the camera, so
I wasn't expecting to see anything, honestly, Like, I really
did not expect to see anything, so I was really
surprised when we did, or when I did.
Speaker 6: I don't know how much Dean really actually saw.
Speaker 2: No, I saw things as well, Like I'll be honest,
I saw things that I.
Speaker 5: Think were they move in different ways, and it was
just different. It was very different to anything that I've
ever watched growing up, and my family always watched these guys.
We would the meteor showers, like you'd go out, you'd
go sit on the back of the car, and you'd
watch them for hours. But things that I saw that
night were not I've never seen those. So it was.
Speaker 6: Very out So thank you for the experience.
Speaker 5: But I was like, I would never have guessed that
I would see anything that I Like, I thought like, oh,
i'll see if you satellite, it's like we're gonna go
and see some stars at Flutter and yeah, couple satellite
Like yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the skies are quite a quite a bit different nowadays.
Speaker 2: Well maybe that's something you should tell Zach because we
haven't told him yet about our follow on experience.
Speaker 6: M from the fourth you're talking to Zach or me.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to you. I'm talking yeah, Okay.
Speaker 5: So after we had been to your event, we were
we had fireworks on the fourth of July. My family
was there, was Dean, Chloe. We had an amazing time.
And then also we just all started looking I don't
know who noticed it first. Who noticed it?
Speaker 2: Maybe your brother might have been my brother, and what
is that?
Speaker 5: What is that in the sky And we're like, oh,
and me and Dean were like looking up. It was
the same things that we had seen at your event.
Speaker 6: So we're like, that's weird. Because me and Dean.
Speaker 5: Sit outside every night looking at the skies again for
two years now, like two summers, like we've been literally
like we've watched the skies for shooting stars whatever. We're
just looking at the stars. Never have we ever ever
seen these things? And then what was it?
Speaker 6: A week?
Speaker 5: Two weeks after the event, we're again, but we're seeing
them at Dean's place.
Speaker 6: We're not doing the meditation.
Speaker 5: Circle, but we're not doing we're just having fireworks and
doing our Fourth of July thing, and the same things
start appearing We're like, oh and my brother and my
brother was super exciting.
Speaker 6: Even my parents were like, that's that's crazy, like we've.
Speaker 2: Never seen Everybody was that's the thing. Like everybody there
was really shocked at what we were seeing, and maybe
in some ways most of all Sam and I because
we watched the skies here all the time, and straight
away Sam and I are like, this is exactly the
same as last weekend. What on earth.
Speaker 3: Things are changing?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was weird, and so now it's super like now
I'm questioning, like why did we see those again? Where
are we seeing these here? And then we had we
saw them again the week after the fourth me indeed,
it wasn't like us. I think my brother and my
son saw the most like amazing like thing of all
of it, but we didn't. I don't think any anybody
else didn't see that. It was like a triangle of
those forbes and they were like coming together and all
of a sudden, like something happened.
Speaker 6: And my brother was like, I've never seen that. My
brother is older than I am.
Speaker 5: He's like, I've never seen that ever, and he's just
like me, watch the skies. You live in the country,
he sees lots of things. But then Dean and I
had seen I think maybe one or maybe there were
maybe two or three actually like the weekend after, but
that was it. There was like nothing spectacular, but it
was the same like light and the same movement.
Speaker 6: And then I've seen nothing since then.
Speaker 2: So do you get that sometimes that people who come
to an event see things more in the in the
period following, or because we were really we were both
really surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's something I tell everyone that you know,
the kind of alert on your way home or your
dreams afterwards, and they have the following days. You know,
people have reports of different things happening, different forms of contact. Yeah,
I think someone from actually yeah, it was the last,
the last meeting, the one that you guys are at too.
She had a kind of like a healing type experience afterwards,
and you know when it didn't left a mark on
our arm that had been kind of marked years prior
to that. Who in a similar sort of experience that
she had. And then after that meeting she went home
and there was some very vivid dreams, say it happened,
and then this mark showed back up and so there
they're coming out quite a bit more, and you know,
how they're able to interact with us and get involved
is becoming a lot more prevalent. So they're just yeah,
waiting for us to just waiting for us to ask
to invite them in and saying we're ready help us out.
Speaker 2: Well, Sam, did you have another question before I ask one?
Speaker 5: I'm so like a little the whole you're waiting for
the question, like you waited for the question, and then
the circle waited for the question, right, Like you guys
were all part of the circle. Dean and I were
not part of the circle and the meditation, we still.
Speaker 6: Saw that, So like that's what That's what kind of
like creeps me in a little bit about the whole situation.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: I'm still like we're still after the fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind of goes to like the whole,
you know, like who it applies to and who this
reaches and everything. You know, it's not something that you
have to be devout Buddhist monk or you know, you
don't have to give up sugar, sodas or anything like that.
You know, you can you can drink a bush light
and still talk to aliens. You know, they're they're friendly
and approachable like that, you know, and we we treat
the situation lightly, but you know, at the same point,
it's still what we're doing. There's a serious aspect to it.
You treat it the same way like you would with
like anyone that you were going to like great lengths
to go visit or do something for. You know, you
don't show up schnock or drunk or you'll zoot it
off of goofballs or anything. You know, you'd be respectful
and everything. But you know, being being genuine and authentic
is really the biggest thing. So if you're doing that
and having a good time, then that really goes farther
than you know, hours of meditative practice. And I don't
want to say fake fronts, but you know, thinking you
have to dress a certain way, or you have to
you know, burn a certain incense or something. You know,
those things can certainly help you at all. And you know,
what you want to get out of the experience is
kind of the level that you put into it. But yeah,
if you're just hoping to kind of come and experience
and observe and see what happens, they're likely to pop
by and give you something I think, Well, again, my
trip out to Washington, I got to spend some time
with my son and his friends and we went camping
and just really without doing any ceremony at all, I
just kind of just kind of put it out there, Hey,
if you could just kind of throw some fireworks in
the sky, something that the kids can see. They're twenty
and twenty one, but yeah, this isn't something at the
forefront of the of their pursuits right now. You know,
they're trying to make a go in the world and
all that, so they're not really too worried about sasquatches
or aliens out there, but being out there and asking
for that. Their flashbulbs were just going bonkers that night,
towards to the point where they were seeing them and
they're like, what was that? There was another one? Like
there it was again. I was like, yeah, they're showing
up for you, well, just enough to make you think.
Speaker 2: Were there more things seen after Sam and I left,
because I know a lot of you camped out at
the location after and we'll get to some of the
techniques you use the light and sound, which I find fascinating.
But after all of that kind of had stopped and
Sam and I finished filming and drove home. I know
a lot of you stayed and camped and still watched
the skies and sat near looking towards the woodline. Did
you have many more experiences that night?
Speaker 3: Okay? I think there was some other flashes and they
think it was like a swimmer or two that went by,
So I mean, no, no one came by and landed
or anything like that, But there was just some other
light activity.
Speaker 2: And you've loaded another video here from that It is
from that night, I think, Is that right?
Speaker 3: Or yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you want do you want to play that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can play that real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll put it up and I'll let you know, right.
Speaker 3: Because yeah, there was actually quite a bit going on
while we were while like the music, its lights were
all going on. There was quite a bit happening up there.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll put that up and then we'll talk a
little bit about the lots of music.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just like a couple of flashes there at
the beginning, and a lot of these are kind of
single frame flashes that I captured.
Speaker 3: And this was our first event with the four DJ
service like this, right, it was exciting and then yeah,
that very last one was kind of one of those swimmers.
Speaker 2: Just fascinating. Talk a little bit about you said it
was the first time you did the lights show and
had the music, and you also told me, and it's
in home movie Legendship it's part of the interview of
yours that we used. The whole interview was great, but
obviously the show's only short format, so we kind of
use so much. But that before you there'd been a
French group back in the day that had done this
kind of stuff. Can you can you talk a little
bit about that.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, getting their name right now, but uh, I.
Speaker 2: Think you said it was Eighth the Ship or the
Eighth the Ship or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, ether Ship And they were you know, experimenting
with using you know, light and sound, sound technology music
to kind of channel contact through and supposedly they were
having some good successes with it, and Jack Valet had
worked with them, and yeah, then that had actually became
inspiration for the Close Encounters of the Third Kind movie
when there was backside of Devil's Tower kind of with
the big keyboard and lightboard and I, uh, yeah, so
I kind of leaned into that and then well and
then with my kind of et contacts, the ones that
I talked to ask to show up to these events,
they're all about it too, because anything that in that
game gets that vibration up and enjoy you know, dancing people,
kind of being together and just being kind of happiness,
those really long long ways.
Speaker 2: So we had a question from squatch Mama, who's a
regular listener and viewer of the show, and she asks,
you seem incredibly calm and grounded, mister Screerdy. How do
you stay so composed in the moment? I think I
would be way too excited. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I've had my excited moments already. I've kind
of gotten that phase through and had my initial experiences
and gotten through that big oh wow period. So yeah,
now it's kind of my turn to stay cool and
calm and collected and grounded and help others through it
and you know, guide everyone else, uh to the experience
and be able to observe them enjoy it.
Speaker 2: So many other questions. I'll sam something too, I found
and maybe maybe maybe you can tell me. It's an
It's interesting because you with somebody who was an experiencer
as well, so of the Nazi events. How did you
feel what the energy was like, how did you feel
the vibe was there?
Speaker 6: Sam, It's very comfortable. It was very accepting, very comfortable,
very like trust.
Speaker 5: I've been like in woods with the fires, bonfires everything,
and even then you kind of feel uneasy.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you have like.
Speaker 5: Like you know, like there's the back for you and
you know what's going to come out of there, like
you're always you're anticipating something to happen, right, but like
there was just a just a very calm, very calm
and I wouldn't have expected that doing what what you
were doing, right, Like would I would have been like, oh,
we're seeing stuff like I should be scared, like I
should be. But it was a very calm, very accepting atmosphere,
Like it was very good. It was very very chill,
just like your maybe it's you, maybe it's because you
are super chill, but it was a very chill, chill
place to be like.
Speaker 6: It was very accepting.
Speaker 3: So no, thanks, thanks that much.
Speaker 6: It was very different than I've ever ever had before.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to hear that. I'm glad it felt that
way to you, because yeah, if you would see if
you would have looked it up on Google Maps. When
I moved in. Originally there was just a trailer back
there in the middle of the woods and it's in
the middle of Adams County. That would make a lot
of people feel very unchill.
Speaker 5: So you ever have any fillings before you did this stuff,
like when you were there and you first started cleaning it, Like.
Speaker 6: Do you have unshow fillings?
Speaker 5: Like were you ever like, oh, this is maybe not
the place, but I'm going to make it the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole big news articles and everything on that.
It had some pretty rowdy history when I, uh, when
I bought it and moved in, so it Yeah, land
carried quite a bit of trauma and yeah I went
through quite a bit to get that cleaned up and
straightened out. Yeah. Yeah, so we can do this type
of work. Yeah it was. It was crazy, yeah, kind
of what we went through day one to get it
to where it is now. But yeah, it was all
for a purpose and yeah good in the end.
Speaker 2: It was the atmosphere different with the with the music
and with the lights, and then it feels like other
events that you've hosted or been to. Do you think
that made a difference to the vibe of the night.
Did that make a difference to the success of the night,
like maybe maybe talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it did. I think it added another
layer of enrichment to the evening, kind of like the
same if you watched a movie that had no music,
if you watched the sound of music, you know, on
mute or with just the dialogue, feel kind of weird
because you know, we've played kind of some stuff on
a speaker in the background before and during the meditation
there's some you know, kind of HEMI synk music playing,
but yeah, this was the first time we're really kind
of got up and never run into it. So yeah,
it will definitely be a recurring element.
Speaker 2: Did the attendees were they like, yeah, this is something
we should be doing going forward, more music, more sound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. There was some you know,
it was positive feedback all the way around on it,
and some people on like violin not necessarily everyone's style
of music and lights and dance, you know, so you know,
well tailor certain weekends to more of that and you know,
tune it down for other ones for other people that
aren't you know, into so much of the dancing scene.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's been a history in older
religious traditions and various occult practices and various but I
guess pagan and even some Christian festivals throughout the Middle
Ages where music and you know, and maybe not a
light show then, but certainly people then would have had
fires and you know, so it would have been lights.
It would just have been you organized differently, seems to
have been a part of some of these type of
attempts in the past to contact the others. So I
don't while I might have thought instantly that that would
be something that would be a part of a process
like this or an event like this, it kind of
makes sense when you look at the history of contacting
you know, the other or these having these type of experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, certain levels of like chanting and gnoming, right, and
do it too, yeah right?
Speaker 2: So how often how often are you go? I don't know,
because I was lucky enough to be invited to that one.
But do you are you planning on hosting these events
somewhat regularly, like monthly, bi annually, every few months every
I don't know how what your plan is going forward?
How from you you think you'll have these events? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're doing monthly right now. So yeah, the
next one is the Saturday, oh wow at seven, yeah, August.
Speaker 2: First, do you tend to vet people that come to
these like we were lucky enough to be have been
invited by the wonderful Melissa Kaine who runs Contact Modalities
Expo and I was a speaker there and she knows
Sam and I. But is it something that you're you
guys are kind of careful on who you know you're
going to just let come to this and have this
experience or how do you how do you work that
aspect of it out.
Speaker 3: And the people that need to be there or there?
So it's kind of worked pretty well.
Speaker 2: You know, I think everybody there was, you know, there
didn't seem to be any problem. I can imagine sometimes
in an event like this there was, you know, just
a public announcement. I can imagine some people who might
show up would be disruptive or might be crazy, or
might be problematic in some other way or yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I mean we'll get them and you know, you deal
with them in the case by cases they come with.
It was one thing I actually talked with James Gillian
at E set. You know and yeah, I'm kind of
doing a similar thing here in Wisconsin. You know, if
you had any pointers or whatever, and he just kind
of almost had the spaced off stair and just you're
going to meet some weird people.
Speaker 2: If some if somebody did want to have this type
of experience as part of as part of your group
or as part of your events, is there a way
they can reach out to be vetted first? Or is
this is there any way somebody who doesn't know you
or I or Melissa Kane or part of you know,
your bigger group, Is there a way somebody can can
knock on the door or an email or anything like
or a place that they can reach out to.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, we kind of operate the Facebook group primarily.
I've got a website being developed right now that going
to be stood up any day. Now we'll go into
the Wildcat sky Ranch phase of operations. So I don't
know who Elp Pirrato is, but he was someone that
came from Cannon.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know what Wildcat is. Maybe
you can feel it, feel.
Speaker 3: The Wildcat energy now. It was the nickname I picked
up while I was in the Air Force at Cannon
Airwolf oz Airwolf. So yeah, you get fun connections like
this to life. But uh yeah, nicknamed it stuck, and yeah,
we're applying it to the name of this and we'll
be offering individual sessions and yeah, it's gonna be a
whole big thing.
Speaker 2: One prep spinal question and then we'll talk about the
Facebook group again and how people find that. Are the
precautions or do you ever think it's dangerous to it
in these kind of channels or encourage things in, or
like you ever worried about having a negative intelligence or
negative presence come or how do you deal with that
type of thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the group deal like I will put out
lots of protection like stuff as we do the meditation.
There's lots of things beforehand. The site alone is the
huge amount of protection. But yeah, it absolutely can draw
negative things in. I mean when I started, I have
no clue at all what I was doing. I was
just wild West out there gun slinging in the ethers,
having a good old time. And yeah, a lot of
negative stuff got kicked up in the in the meantime,
and yeah, figure out how to deal with all of
them was a whole big process. But yeah, been in
the group keeping positive in there, keeping you know, the
power of love foremost.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 3: You know, in the forefront more than anything, you know,
really keeps us pretty safe throughout it all.
Speaker 2: No, it's like Sam and I said, it didn't didn't
There was funny because I said that the similar thing
before Sam came on, that it didn't feel like it
was a negative space at all. But I'm always concerned
with opening those doors, you know, often occultist, I've noticed
it be careful the doors you open, and and I
tend to feel that with myself. But I'm glad that
you've that you've experienced that and you have a sense
of of how to how to stop that from happening.
So maybe let's point people at the Facebook group. So
how do they find the Facebook group?
Speaker 3: You can just search Wisconsin CE five and then we'll
take your right to it. Yeah, you ask to join
and get you included in there. And then that's got
the calendar with all the events in it and kind
of some of the discussion of what's going on. People
post things in there here and there. But then we
have the website coming on that'll have pages for each
event and where people can kind of leave their experiences
and sending photos and videos and then we'll have a
nice little kind of journal and archive of everything. Also
is moving along.
Speaker 2: Do you have a do you have I know it's
not up yet, but do you have do you have
what your domain name will be yet?
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it'll be well, it'll be wildcatsky ranch dot.
Speaker 2: Com wildcatsky ranch dot com all one word, yep, all
on word. Okay, because somebody might be listening to this
well after, you know, July thirtieth, twenty twenty six, so
then they might be able to go straight to that
and find you there as well.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And we're also kind of putting a mirror
up of it of just it's just Wisconsin CE five
so you know, people Google, how can I see five
in Wisconsin or whatever, it'll get it to it'll get
them to us as well.
Speaker 2: Well. Zach, thanks so much for coming on, and Sam,
thank you for joining us as well tonight. It was
fun to have you here as well to talk to Zach. Yeah,
that's about it for me. I'm really grateful that you
that you came on. Zach. It was so great to
have you and you were such a wonderful host when
you had us to the event. We're so grateful that
we were able to shoot Home Movie Legend Trip. There
that our third episode, and anybody who might want to
watch some of that can easily find Home Movie Legendship
the YouTube channel, or you can find it also on Facebook,
and you can watch the UFO Contact one which features
Zach and his wonderful event. So thank you Zach for
being here with us tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Dean and Sam. Yeah, thanks for coming out
and enjoying having your experience and having me on the show.
And yeah, keeping this going.
Speaker 2: Well until I talked to you you Zach, which hopefully
will be in the near future, and until I talk
to you Sam, which will hopefully be very soon. And
before I say goodbye, Sam, is there anything you wanted
to say because I was about to do my sign up.
Speaker 6: Thank you Za so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure thing.
Speaker 2: Thank you and Zach and Sam and everybody else that
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