WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.000 Latest interview of Elon Musk. 2 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:05.719 All Right, everybody, we have a very special guest. Listen, 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:09.240 we love all of you. This is this is the 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:13.599 most amazing room of innovators in America. We love you all. 5 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:17.239 It's a dinner of equals. But there can only be 6 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:18.120 one number one. 7 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:19.760 We do. We're Forbes. 8 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:26.280 We do rank things, and the Forbes two point fifty innovators. 9 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.320 The number one innovator and it wasn't that close, to 10 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:35.640 be honest, was Elon Musk. So and we are very 11 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.200 honored to have him join us. Elon, are you here? 12 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:41.479 Oh, we're glad that you're glad that you're here. Thank you. 13 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:42.600 There he is. 14 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.039 You my ranking things, It's true we do. 15 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:49.840 We're good at it. 16 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.520 And again, first congratulations, it was not that close. There 17 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:56.359 were a lot of there were a lot of battles 18 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:58.439 in a lot of places, but number one was not 19 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:03.640 in doubt. But anyway, this is a room of your people. Yeah, 20 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.719 well does there there's a room of your people. I 21 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.599 will say they were asking the first question, and we 22 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.760 want we want to get really nerdy about innovation. The 23 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.400 first question though, that everybody was asking, is all right, 24 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:15.079 ask Elon. 25 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:16.400 We had one of the. 26 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:19.480 Great case cases in the world of innovation over the 27 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:20.519 last few weeks. 28 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:28.079 What's Elon's verdict on the verdict today? Uh? That that 29 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:30.200 that the case in Oakland? 30 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:37.640 Yes, oh what are you doing? 31 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.319 Yeah? 32 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:50.799 Guess uh, Well, they basically just decided that the Stafford 33 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:55.680 patients have passed. They did not actually river depending on 34 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.000 the web you know, that have been unused or should 35 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:04.879 or chat in stolen, which I think obviously their case. So, 36 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:09.759 but I do think it's somewhat of a bivious situation 37 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.080 because you know, what happened was by degrees, I mean, 38 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:18.000 it wasn't it wasn't stolen once it was stolen one 39 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:22.919 of these at the time. And so we have to say, like, well, 40 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.039 was there really even a basis for legal action before 41 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:30.479 you know, the proper to the spell and I don't 42 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.840 think there is actually, so you know, like the first step, 43 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:40.280 I believe the point because the first step into adding 44 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.560 a full profit thing how to cap for profit and 45 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:43.719 was at a small scale. 46 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:46.280 And also that. 47 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.800 All start to revert to the charity upon the inventure 48 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.159 of appleple intelligence that. 49 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:59.199 That closes not been remote so it will continue to 50 00:02:59.240 --> 00:02:59.759 be a full. 51 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:05.400 Profit after developing official general intelligence that removal was quite recent, 52 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:06.479 just in the last few weeks. 53 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:13.360 So it is at this point is it is? 54 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.680 It is whatever an eight hundred million dollar full profit 55 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:18.800 company somehow from a nonprofit. And I think this is 56 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.199 a dangerous precedent to set because if it means that 57 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:27.080 someone can start take money as a nonprofit convote that 58 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:32.159 to a full profit when it's successful, it underminds all 59 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:33.520 charitable getting in America. 60 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.759 It certainly would you see a lot of people starting 61 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.080 to start nonprofits with the path towards for profit. 62 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:42.639 Exactly what do you got to lose? 63 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.199 Exactly what you said on next to your appealing optimistic 64 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:47.280 about the appeal. 65 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:52.319 Yeah, I think we necessarily have to appeal because. 66 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.800 This will this will become precedent, you know which people 67 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.759 can actually then essentially allude to charities and use this 68 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.759 as a as a basis for doing so, which I 69 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:04.560 think would be reful. 70 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.240 Let's uh, let's talk innovation. Your your title we have 71 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:09.680 up here. 72 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.800 I mean again, you're the CEO of four major companies, 73 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.439 even those companies have major companies within those companies. 74 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.639 Was this was this part of the plan or did 75 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:20.600 it just happen. 76 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.199 More or let's just happen I mean, well, let let's 77 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.319 just say that when I was in college, I wanted 78 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:32.639 to be part of things that would change the world 79 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:37.720 in a significant way. I didn't originally think I wanted 80 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:39.800 to be doing things in AI because a I was 81 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.959 somewhat of a double edged sword. 82 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:42.199 But I did want to. 83 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.680 Accelerate the transition to sustainable energy economy, which is the 84 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:55.759 sort of electric car as solar and batteries. And you know, 85 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.680 I think some some kind of brain machine interface, uh 86 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.240 that can give you cybernetic superpowers I think is probably good. 87 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.560 It could you know, help people that have brain or 88 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:14.199 spine injuries, you know, restill enable people who have spoken 89 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.439 for years to speak again, which is which we've done. 90 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.079 Give people eyesight who have lost both eyes of the 91 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.199 optic nerve or maybe have never even seen at all, 92 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:27.199 blind from both. 93 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.279 By direct interface to the. 94 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:36.839 The optical centers in the brain, you can actually restore eyesight, 95 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.319 will give people, I say, have ful and you can 96 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.439 enable people to walk again, which I think is profound. 97 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:44.399 I mean these are kind of Jesus level things, you know, 98 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.959 like let's say, like when technologists are hitting like Jesus 99 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:49.759 level miracles, you know, like that's pretty good. 100 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:51.439 How do you. 101 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.439 How do you again, it's asked a lot, but it's 102 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.920 it's fun to ask it to you. How do you prioritize? 103 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.759 I mean, because you're right, you've got you multiple deities here. 104 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.079 If it's if these are Jesus level solutions, which one? 105 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:06.279 Which one do you serve? 106 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:07.279 Users? Level? 107 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:07.439 Like? 108 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:13.360 Okay, pretty good? So and then and the space X 109 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:14.439 is about. 110 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:24.240 Making life multiplanetary, expanding consciousness to the stars, and hopefully 111 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.759 we will make a fundamental breakthrough lated this year, which 112 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:35.480 is how the first fully reusable orbital rocket, which is 113 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:42.120 necessary in order to transport enough tonnage to the moon 114 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.480 of Mars to create a self uh, a self growing 115 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:53.759 city basically to extend civilization to an other planets. I mean, 116 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.519 I think probably you need to move a rough order 117 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.160 of magnitude about a million tons to the Moon or 118 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.240 to Mars to create enough of an of an industrial 119 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:09.120 base to have have the civilization there be self growing, 120 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:14.800 meaning like the acid test being if the resupply shifts 121 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.279 from Earth stopped coming for any reason, does it does 122 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.920 the the civilization on the movement of Mars continue to 123 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:28.279 grow or does it die out? And I think I 124 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.560 think that's that's a fundamental branching point in the future 125 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.399 of civilization or are we a multiplanet space baring civilization 126 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:41.279 or are we stuck on one planet forever? And I 127 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.079 do want emphasize that like being a multiplanet the civilization 128 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.319 is it doesn't mean like we leave Earth and go 129 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:49.079 somewhere else, because that would just be a single planet 130 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:54.079 civilization somewhere else, right, and a loveer place probably, yeah, 131 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.439 and a tougher place to live than than here. By far, 132 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:03.519 Earth is extremely easy and comfortable compared to the Moon, Mars, 133 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.519 or pretty much anywhere else. But you know, I think, 134 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:10.279 I think at some point we want to be a 135 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:11.360 space PreK civilization. 136 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.600 We want to be out there among the stars and 137 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.399 and and be Yeah. 138 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.879 So these again, these are huge, huge things you're dealing with. 139 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.519 So when you try to figure out when you get 140 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.120 up every morning, is it just kind of like a 141 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.160 buffet or is it do you have kind of a 142 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.039 plan on what you're going to what you're gonna focus on, 143 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:34.279 because that's something that a lot of innovators here have 144 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.039 to deal with on a much smaller scale. 145 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:43.799 Well, uh, I guess I don't really Uh, I don't 146 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.519 really get up and say Hey, what shall I innovate 147 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:46.559 today in a type of thing. 148 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:48.840 It's really just. 149 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:55.759 Both building the technology is necessary to extend life beyond Earth. 150 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.960 There's you know, there's this, there's the Stalling Internet, where 151 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:06.159 just rebuilding the entire Internet in space but better you know, 152 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:13.080 I guess that's kind of pretty cool. There's yeah, the 153 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:17.399 optimist robot that we're developing, a Tesla, the self driving cars, 154 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.679 lower power scale, you know. 155 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:24.559 Big stuff. 156 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.440 A lot of again, they're all pointy. A lot of 157 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.960 them are pointing to becoming an interplanetary Is there is 158 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.840 there a time when you could see again putting these 159 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.000 companies together and just running one big company. I mean, 160 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:38.879 somebody you have a portfolio, but do you envision that 161 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.919 would and would that help you in terms of making 162 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:44.679 any things mesh? 163 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:48.679 Well? 164 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.200 It it's difficult for me to to sort of comment 165 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.679 on that, you know, because you know there's publicly traded 166 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:59.240 companies and publicly traded ones you know about to be 167 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:03.600 so it would be like difficult to you. 168 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:08.480 No problem, We'll move on. We did the you know, 169 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:11.279 the reports today that you might follow your space x 170 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:12.559 S one this week? 171 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:13.919 Is that that a go? 172 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.519 I think I'm not allowed to comment on these things. 173 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.799 That's like a period or something to that effect. 174 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:26.519 That that is the that is the beauty of going 175 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:29.720 public or being in that quiet period. Do you have 176 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.600 a favorite of all your we know what you love, 177 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.320 all you love, all your your children, all your companies. 178 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:40.759 Is there a favorite among your companies? Well? 179 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.559 No, I mean I'm not really gonna say that's like 180 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.799 what's your favorite kid type of thing? You know, I like, 181 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:48.919 you can't really say that. 182 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:49.320 You know. 183 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.960 What if it's not your favorite company. Who's your favorite 184 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.720 role model as an innovator historically? 185 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.639 Well, I guess you know, I'm obviously a big fan 186 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.360 of Nicola Tesla since uh named the company after him. 187 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:16.320 But also I also, like, you know, I don't know 188 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:22.080 Edison is great too, like some people like them. 189 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.679 I don't like Edison. I think some pretty impressive stuff, 190 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:35.759 and like Neural Electric is like Edison's company. That's I mean, 191 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.120 I certainly admired like great scientists, engineers, but I like anyone. 192 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:47.159 I mean, you know, Ben Franklin, Uh, Shakespeare, Newton. 193 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:48.159 Uh. 194 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:55.320 You know, we did aspects, we did we surveyed historians, 195 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:57.879 and so you were number one on the two fifty 196 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.559 Living List. We did a two fifty oracle on the 197 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:04.399 top three were Edison, you said, Franklin and Henry Ford. 198 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.279 So you've you know, you're we should have had you 199 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:07.879 as a judge. 200 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.360 Uh was actually more something people realize because I mean 201 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:18.559 he basically invented mass manufacturing of of complex objects. 202 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.840 Like people didn't really know how to do that before 203 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:23.279 before Ford. 204 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:28.799 Yes, and like Ford actually created the automotive industry, uh 205 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:34.399 of earth really and uh because because he he pretty 206 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.840 much started what became General Motors and then he kind 207 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.200 of got, I don't know, kicked out of that or 208 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:46.000 something and then started uh Ford Motor Company and uh 209 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.879 and and really developed mass manufacturer complex objects. 210 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.320 It's quite quite a tricky thing. And then everyone just 211 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:55.279 pretty much copied him. 212 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.399 What's what's amazing if you look at the historicalists and 213 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.600 even the current list, is just how much innovation comes 214 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.440 out of America and how much of the things that 215 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.279 everyone takes for granted came out of America. Do you 216 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.639 have a do you have a favorite animator who's living today? 217 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:15.240 Besides you know, anybody in this room or anybody who 218 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.279 are who are some of your favorite entrepreneurs, innovators you admire? 219 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:19.919 Who who are your contemporaries. 220 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:30.480 Now, well, uh hmm, I mean I guess, uh, I mean, 221 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.720 I don't really think about these things that much, but 222 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:41.360 h well, I mean I guess. 223 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:41.720 Uh. 224 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.919 You know, Jensen long Ad and videos like drink pretty 225 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:54.399 great in terms of uh inventing you know, developing ANI computers, and. 226 00:13:57.799 --> 00:13:59.919 Well you may you must say you mentioned Jensen and 227 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:06.080 uh and you were early uh warning about the danger 228 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.399 of AI. But also you've been you know, a somebody 229 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.200 who's helping pioneer a lot of great things that come 230 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.480 out of AI. Right now, Where are you on the 231 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.840 scale about being petrified or excited? 232 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.759 Well, I think I'm like so simultaneously both, Honestly. It's like, uh, 233 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:29.440 I mean, at this point, like like when I go 234 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:31.639 to sleep, there's like some AI breakthrough, When I wake up, 235 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:34.600 there's some AI breakthrough, and by lunchtime there's another AI 236 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:35.679 break So. 237 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:39.879 It's like a headspinner at this point. 238 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.759 It you know, it's it's pretty obvious that we're gonna 239 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:48.679 have AI that is vastly smarter than humans, and. 240 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.240 Already in some ways it already is. 241 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.320 I mean, it seems like AI unequivocally smart more than 242 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.159 humans in every way, including in innovation is probably. 243 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.519 No more than a year or two away. We would see. 244 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.840 That's uh, it's happy to think about Jesus, this is 245 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.279 kind of worrying. 246 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:20.320 I hope it's nice to us. 247 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:20.600 You know. 248 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.320 What, you know, when you look happy about all the 249 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:28.279 things we've asked it to do. 250 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:29.120 What's something. 251 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.200 Listen, you have a better position to see this in 252 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.000 anybody pretty much what's going to happen in five years, 253 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.480 And you're seeing that. Maybe a lot of people aren't 254 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.440 seeing that. It's going to blow people's minds. That will 255 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:41.759 be doable in five years. 256 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:51.200 In five years we'll have probably so five years being 257 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:52.240 say twenty thirty one. 258 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:55.000 I think. 259 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:59.799 Digital intelligence will exceed the sum of all human intelligence. 260 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:09.759 That there will be in five years. Probably there might 261 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.960 be a let's say, at least one hundred million humanoid robots, 262 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:23.879 but maybe a billion. Yeah, alright, the I mean, and 263 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:31.799 and I predict that the economy is probably twice its 264 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:39.039 current size in five maybe six years, seven at five 265 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.639 to seven years, because you're going to hit a doubling period, 266 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:46.879 you know where it's where the economic output is increasing 267 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.440 so so fast that you know, plus myask a few years, 268 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:52.600 you're you're you we'll see giant changes. 269 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:58.200 Mhm, what what you know? 270 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.279 A couple of follow up questions on that, When do 271 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.919 you see the first data center in space? Again, you 272 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.599 have a better vision on that than pretty much anybody. 273 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.920 You know. You're again if when we're going to Mars, 274 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:10.359 it's you're clearly going to be leading the way. When 275 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:11.640 do we get a colony in the moon? When do 276 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:12.960 we get a colonie on Mars? 277 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:13.599 Three? 278 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:18.920 Prime question, data center in space, humans on the Moon, 279 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.160 humans on Mars timeline. 280 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:22.559 Center. 281 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:24.799 Space is much easier than people may think. 282 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:27.400 I mean, SpaceX at this point has ten thousand satellites 283 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:33.720 in orbook right now, and in the future with Starship, 284 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:39.359 will be launching over ten thousand communication satellites per year, 285 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.079 each one of which is much more capable than our 286 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:42.880 current satellites. 287 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:48.039 So you can expect, you know, probably. 288 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:55.359 One hundred times more communications capability than currently exist from space. 289 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.720 But that will pay in comparison to the tonnage of 290 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.240 AI satellites. So, I mean, it's always helpful to use 291 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.839 the physics tools of thinking in the limit. If say, 292 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:09.359 if you think of the limit, what is the most 293 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.440 amount of AI compute you could possibly bring to bear 294 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:18.359 and the way to access power that's far beyond anything 295 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:23.000 on Earth is in space. So these are some humbling 296 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.480 ways to maybe frame the problem and see how tiny 297 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:31.200 we are here on Earth. We are like microbes on 298 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:38.440 a dust mote compared to the Sun. So all of 299 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:43.680 human civilization currently uses less than a trillionth of the 300 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.240 energy of the say the power emitted by the Sun, 301 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.400 much less than a trillionth. All human energy, counted as 302 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.319 generously as you could possibly imagine, is much less than 303 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:59.799 a trillionth to the Sun's energy. So that means if 304 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:07.680 you were to increase civilizational energy harnessed by a million, 305 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.279 you would still be much less than a millionth of 306 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:18.480 the Sun's and it harness. And another way to think 307 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.359 about it is because people suddenly say, what about this 308 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:23.160 form of left of power generation or that form of 309 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.079 power generation. I'm luck everything is irrelevant compared to the Sun. 310 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.000 The Sun is ninety nine point eight percent of mass 311 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.880 in the Solar system. If all mass that was not 312 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:38.000 the Sun was burnt, and you've extracted the absolute maximum 313 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.200 amount of energy from all mass that is not the Sun, 314 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.200 the amount of energy produced by the Sun, we're still 315 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.319 round out to one hundred percent of the energy produced 316 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.000 in the solar system. And then if you teleported two 317 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.319 more jupiters from other somehow teleported two more jupiters into 318 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:53.119 our solar system and burnt them too, the Sun was 319 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.720 still be one hundred percent of power rounding out. So 320 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:01.640 really everything is this extremely tiny compared to the Sun. 321 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.039 So that therefore, when you go to space, if you 322 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.240 if you want to to climb the Cottage Cottter chief 323 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.119 scale in any meaningful way whatsoever, you have to go 324 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:17.839 to space and and and uh, you know, our rough 325 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.359 estimate is that you could probably do a tarror what 326 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:25.839 a year of AI powered uh you know, sole powered 327 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.880 AI satellites from launched from Earth. That would require let's 328 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.400 say something like ten million tons a year of paler 329 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.880 to orbit at one hundred killowats per ton, and that 330 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.000 would be a tar tearwa per year. The average power 331 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:42.000 usage in the United States is half a terror wort. 332 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:48.920 That would mean you'd be launching twice the rist the 333 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.440 amount of AI power. Then then the entire electricity consumption 334 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.960 in the United States per year. Yeah, yeah, but this 335 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.359 is this is this is We're not breaking any physic here. 336 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.640 This is this is all achievable. Now, if you want 337 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.319 to take that up several more orders magnitude, then the 338 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:09.160 things to do is to build a base on the Moon, 339 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:17.319 and construct a mass driver, and build the solar panels 340 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.039 and radiators on the moon chips you could probably bring 341 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.880 from Earth, but built those the Moon too, and uh, 342 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.160 and that would enable you to do about a petawa 343 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:31.240 per year into a solar powered AI. 344 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:34.000 And I'm not sure how much AI we need at 345 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.200 the end of the day, but that's a lot. 346 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:37.000 That a lot. 347 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.400 What it would be vastly greater than the than the 348 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:48.440 Earth's economy. This economy would be really inconsequential by comparison 349 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:48.720 with that. 350 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.839 No, that's that's a vision of abundance for sure. I 351 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.359 know you've had quite a busy day, and you always 352 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:56.920 have a busy day, so we don't want to be 353 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:58.079 mindful of your time. 354 00:21:58.119 --> 00:21:59.880 So I just have two less questions on. 355 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.079 There must be I mean, again, you keep on coming 356 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.119 up with these big ideas and you keep executing, then 357 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:09.720 what's a big idea in your head that you haven't 358 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:10.559 deployed yet. 359 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:12.200 That you'd like to. 360 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.240 Well, you know, I did say for the longest time 361 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:20.359 that people want to booth build tunnels, and then everyone 362 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:22.160 thought I was joking, and then I was like, final, well, 363 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.039 let's just create a company, the barn Company, to build tunnels, 364 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.160 because this is an obvious way to reduce traffic to 365 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.279 zero by going three D with your transport system, just 366 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.079 as we go three D with the buildings. It's obviously 367 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.599 logical to illogical to. 368 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:38.559 Expect that you. 369 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.400 Won't have traffic if you have buildings that are three 370 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.799 D and a transport system that is two D and 371 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:47.359 everyone tries to go in and out of the three 372 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.839 D building at the same time. But if you have 373 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.920 a transport network that is three dimensional with tunnels going 374 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:58.119 over the place, then you can address any arbitrary level 375 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:02.279 of traffic. Now, I encourage other people to start tunneling 376 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.519 companies because the boring company is the only one as 377 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:05.160 far as I can tell. 378 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.200 It's taking this boring to be the only boring company, right. 379 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:12.160 Yeah, Honestly, there's like a lot of opportunity, you know, 380 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:19.279 in tunnels, that really is and it's quite hard work 381 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.599 building these things, so I hope other people do it too, okay, 382 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.359 And I guess there's there's probably a lot of opportunity 383 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:31.680 in synthetic medicine. So with like these days, you can 384 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:37.839 basically create custom you know, RNA UH And I think 385 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.240 I think like that there's sort of we're going from, uh, 386 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.319 from a situation where medicine has been analog where we 387 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:47.559 kind of like just find drugs kind of by accident 388 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:50.880 most of the time, like finding sticks in the forest 389 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:54.119 that you know, seem like this stick seems like a 390 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.559 useful club type of thing. It's it's it's quite primitive 391 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:02.079 how we found medication in the past. Now, but once 392 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:05.319 you can sin, since we can now construct synthetic RNA, 393 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.680 you can effectively think of medicine. 394 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:10.400 The future's medicine is being digital. 395 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.319 Like so if you just know what to program into 396 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.559 that synthetic RNA strand you can basically, I think, cure 397 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:19.319 almost anything. 398 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:25.519 Right, challenge to the room, digital medicine and three D transportation. 399 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.920 Let's go, let's give you once in competition. All right, 400 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.599 last question, quick. 401 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.440