1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,719 Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, we have a very special guest. Listen, 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:09,240 we love all of you. This is this is the 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,599 most amazing room of innovators in America. We love you all. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,239 It's a dinner of equals. But there can only be 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,120 one number one. 7 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: We do. We're Forbes. 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: We do rank things, and the Forbes two point fifty innovators. 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,320 The number one innovator and it wasn't that close, to 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,640 be honest, was Elon Musk. So and we are very 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,200 honored to have him join us. Elon, are you here? 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Oh, we're glad that you're glad that you're here. Thank you. 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,600 There he is. 14 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,039 Speaker 3: You my ranking things, It's true we do. 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: We're good at it. 16 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: And again, first congratulations, it was not that close. There 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,359 were a lot of there were a lot of battles 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,439 in a lot of places, but number one was not 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,640 in doubt. But anyway, this is a room of your people. Yeah, 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,719 well does there there's a room of your people. I 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,599 will say they were asking the first question, and we 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,760 want we want to get really nerdy about innovation. The 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,400 first question though, that everybody was asking, is all right, 24 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:15,079 ask Elon. 25 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: We had one of the. 26 00:01:16,079 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: Great case cases in the world of innovation over the 27 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:20,519 last few weeks. 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:28,079 Speaker 1: What's Elon's verdict on the verdict today? Uh? That that 29 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:30,200 that the case in Oakland? 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Yes, oh what are you doing? 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: Yeah? 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:50,799 Speaker 4: Guess uh, Well, they basically just decided that the Stafford 33 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:55,680 patients have passed. They did not actually river depending on 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,000 the web you know, that have been unused or should 35 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:04,879 or chat in stolen, which I think obviously their case. So, 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,759 but I do think it's somewhat of a bivious situation 37 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,080 because you know, what happened was by degrees, I mean, 38 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:18,000 it wasn't it wasn't stolen once it was stolen one 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,919 of these at the time. And so we have to say, like, well, 40 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:27,039 was there really even a basis for legal action before 41 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,479 you know, the proper to the spell and I don't 42 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:36,840 think there is actually, so you know, like the first step, 43 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:40,280 I believe the point because the first step into adding 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,560 a full profit thing how to cap for profit and 45 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:43,719 was at a small scale. 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: And also that. 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: All start to revert to the charity upon the inventure 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,159 of appleple intelligence that. 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,199 Speaker 3: That closes not been remote so it will continue to 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:02:59,759 be a full. 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: Profit after developing official general intelligence that removal was quite recent, 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,479 just in the last few weeks. 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: So it is at this point is it is? 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 4: It is whatever an eight hundred million dollar full profit 55 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:18,800 company somehow from a nonprofit. And I think this is 56 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,199 a dangerous precedent to set because if it means that 57 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,080 someone can start take money as a nonprofit convote that 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,159 to a full profit when it's successful, it underminds all 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,520 charitable getting in America. 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,759 Speaker 2: It certainly would you see a lot of people starting 61 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:40,080 to start nonprofits with the path towards for profit. 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,639 Speaker 3: Exactly what do you got to lose? 63 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,199 Speaker 2: Exactly what you said on next to your appealing optimistic 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,280 about the appeal. 65 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we necessarily have to appeal because. 66 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: This will this will become precedent, you know which people 67 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,759 can actually then essentially allude to charities and use this 68 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,759 as a as a basis for doing so, which I 69 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,560 think would be reful. 70 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's talk innovation. Your your title we have 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:09,680 up here. 72 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: I mean again, you're the CEO of four major companies, 73 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,439 even those companies have major companies within those companies. 74 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,639 Speaker 1: Was this was this part of the plan or did 75 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,600 it just happen. 76 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:25,199 Speaker 4: More or let's just happen I mean, well, let let's 77 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,319 just say that when I was in college, I wanted 78 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:32,639 to be part of things that would change the world 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,720 in a significant way. I didn't originally think I wanted 80 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,800 to be doing things in AI because a I was 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:40,959 somewhat of a double edged sword. 82 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,199 Speaker 3: But I did want to. 83 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: Accelerate the transition to sustainable energy economy, which is the 84 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:55,759 sort of electric car as solar and batteries. And you know, 85 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:59,680 I think some some kind of brain machine interface, uh 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,240 that can give you cybernetic superpowers I think is probably good. 87 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:09,560 It could you know, help people that have brain or 88 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,199 spine injuries, you know, restill enable people who have spoken 89 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,439 for years to speak again, which is which we've done. 90 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,079 Give people eyesight who have lost both eyes of the 91 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,199 optic nerve or maybe have never even seen at all, 92 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:27,199 blind from both. 93 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: By direct interface to the. 94 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 4: The optical centers in the brain, you can actually restore eyesight, 95 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:39,319 will give people, I say, have ful and you can 96 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:42,439 enable people to walk again, which I think is profound. 97 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:44,399 I mean these are kind of Jesus level things, you know, 98 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,959 like let's say, like when technologists are hitting like Jesus 99 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:49,759 level miracles, you know, like that's pretty good. 100 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:51,439 Speaker 1: How do you. 101 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:55,439 Speaker 2: How do you again, it's asked a lot, but it's 102 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:57,920 it's fun to ask it to you. How do you prioritize? 103 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,759 I mean, because you're right, you've got you multiple deities here. 104 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:05,079 If it's if these are Jesus level solutions, which one? 105 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,279 Which one do you serve? 106 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: Users? Level? 107 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:07,439 Speaker 2: Like? 108 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: Okay, pretty good? So and then and the space X 109 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:14,439 is about. 110 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: Making life multiplanetary, expanding consciousness to the stars, and hopefully 111 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,759 we will make a fundamental breakthrough lated this year, which 112 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:35,480 is how the first fully reusable orbital rocket, which is 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:42,120 necessary in order to transport enough tonnage to the moon 114 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,480 of Mars to create a self uh, a self growing 115 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:53,759 city basically to extend civilization to an other planets. I mean, 116 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,519 I think probably you need to move a rough order 117 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:00,160 of magnitude about a million tons to the Moon or 118 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,240 to Mars to create enough of an of an industrial 119 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:09,120 base to have have the civilization there be self growing, 120 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:14,800 meaning like the acid test being if the resupply shifts 121 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,279 from Earth stopped coming for any reason, does it does 122 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,920 the the civilization on the movement of Mars continue to 123 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,279 grow or does it die out? And I think I 124 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:31,560 think that's that's a fundamental branching point in the future 125 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,399 of civilization or are we a multiplanet space baring civilization 126 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:41,279 or are we stuck on one planet forever? And I 127 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,079 do want emphasize that like being a multiplanet the civilization 128 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,319 is it doesn't mean like we leave Earth and go 129 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:49,079 somewhere else, because that would just be a single planet 130 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:54,079 civilization somewhere else, right, and a loveer place probably, yeah, 131 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,439 and a tougher place to live than than here. By far, 132 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:03,519 Earth is extremely easy and comfortable compared to the Moon, Mars, 133 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,519 or pretty much anywhere else. But you know, I think, 134 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,279 I think at some point we want to be a 135 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,360 space PreK civilization. 136 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: We want to be out there among the stars and 137 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:17,399 and and be Yeah. 138 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,879 Speaker 1: So these again, these are huge, huge things you're dealing with. 139 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,519 Speaker 2: So when you try to figure out when you get 140 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,120 up every morning, is it just kind of like a 141 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:30,160 buffet or is it do you have kind of a 142 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:32,039 plan on what you're going to what you're gonna focus on, 143 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,279 because that's something that a lot of innovators here have 144 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:36,039 to deal with on a much smaller scale. 145 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:43,799 Speaker 4: Well, uh, I guess I don't really Uh, I don't 146 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,519 really get up and say Hey, what shall I innovate 147 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,559 today in a type of thing. 148 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: It's really just. 149 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:55,759 Speaker 4: Both building the technology is necessary to extend life beyond Earth. 150 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,960 There's you know, there's this, there's the Stalling Internet, where 151 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:06,159 just rebuilding the entire Internet in space but better you know, 152 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:13,080 I guess that's kind of pretty cool. There's yeah, the 153 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,399 optimist robot that we're developing, a Tesla, the self driving cars, 154 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,679 lower power scale, you know. 155 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: Big stuff. 156 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: A lot of again, they're all pointy. A lot of 157 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,960 them are pointing to becoming an interplanetary Is there is 158 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,840 there a time when you could see again putting these 159 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:36,000 companies together and just running one big company. I mean, 160 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:38,879 somebody you have a portfolio, but do you envision that 161 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,919 would and would that help you in terms of making 162 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:44,679 any things mesh? 163 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: Well? 164 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 4: It it's difficult for me to to sort of comment 165 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:54,679 on that, you know, because you know there's publicly traded 166 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,240 companies and publicly traded ones you know about to be 167 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:03,600 so it would be like difficult to you. 168 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: No problem, We'll move on. We did the you know, 169 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,279 the reports today that you might follow your space x 170 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:12,559 S one this week? 171 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,919 Speaker 1: Is that that a go? 172 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,519 Speaker 3: I think I'm not allowed to comment on these things. 173 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,799 Speaker 1: That's like a period or something to that effect. 174 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,519 Speaker 2: That that is the that is the beauty of going 175 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,720 public or being in that quiet period. Do you have 176 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:32,600 a favorite of all your we know what you love, 177 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,320 all you love, all your your children, all your companies. 178 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,759 Speaker 1: Is there a favorite among your companies? Well? 179 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 4: No, I mean I'm not really gonna say that's like 180 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,799 what's your favorite kid type of thing? You know, I like, 181 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,919 you can't really say that. 182 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: You know. 183 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: What if it's not your favorite company. Who's your favorite 184 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,720 role model as an innovator historically? 185 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,639 Speaker 4: Well, I guess you know, I'm obviously a big fan 186 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,360 of Nicola Tesla since uh named the company after him. 187 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: But also I also, like, you know, I don't know 188 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,080 Edison is great too, like some people like them. 189 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 4: I don't like Edison. I think some pretty impressive stuff, 190 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:35,759 and like Neural Electric is like Edison's company. That's I mean, 191 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:41,120 I certainly admired like great scientists, engineers, but I like anyone. 192 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:47,159 I mean, you know, Ben Franklin, Uh, Shakespeare, Newton. 193 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:48,159 Speaker 1: Uh. 194 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: You know, we did aspects, we did we surveyed historians, 195 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,879 and so you were number one on the two fifty 196 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,559 Living List. We did a two fifty oracle on the 197 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,399 top three were Edison, you said, Franklin and Henry Ford. 198 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,279 So you've you know, you're we should have had you 199 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,879 as a judge. 200 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: Uh was actually more something people realize because I mean 201 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:18,559 he basically invented mass manufacturing of of complex objects. 202 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: Like people didn't really know how to do that before 203 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:23,279 before Ford. 204 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,799 Speaker 4: Yes, and like Ford actually created the automotive industry, uh 205 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,399 of earth really and uh because because he he pretty 206 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,840 much started what became General Motors and then he kind 207 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,200 of got, I don't know, kicked out of that or 208 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:46,000 something and then started uh Ford Motor Company and uh 209 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:49,879 and and really developed mass manufacturer complex objects. 210 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: It's quite quite a tricky thing. And then everyone just 211 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,279 pretty much copied him. 212 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,399 Speaker 2: What's what's amazing if you look at the historicalists and 213 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 even the current list, is just how much innovation comes 214 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,440 out of America and how much of the things that 215 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,279 everyone takes for granted came out of America. Do you 216 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,639 have a do you have a favorite animator who's living today? 217 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Besides you know, anybody in this room or anybody who 218 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,279 are who are some of your favorite entrepreneurs, innovators you admire? 219 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,919 Speaker 1: Who who are your contemporaries. 220 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 4: Now, well, uh hmm, I mean I guess, uh, I mean, 221 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,720 I don't really think about these things that much, but 222 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:41,360 h well, I mean I guess. 223 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Uh. 224 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,919 Speaker 4: You know, Jensen long Ad and videos like drink pretty 225 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:54,399 great in terms of uh inventing you know, developing ANI computers, and. 226 00:13:57,799 --> 00:13:59,919 Speaker 2: Well you may you must say you mentioned Jensen and 227 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:06,080 uh and you were early uh warning about the danger 228 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,399 of AI. But also you've been you know, a somebody 229 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:11,200 who's helping pioneer a lot of great things that come 230 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,480 out of AI. Right now, Where are you on the 231 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,840 scale about being petrified or excited? 232 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,759 Speaker 4: Well, I think I'm like so simultaneously both, Honestly. It's like, uh, 233 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:29,440 I mean, at this point, like like when I go 234 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:31,639 to sleep, there's like some AI breakthrough, When I wake up, 235 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:34,600 there's some AI breakthrough, and by lunchtime there's another AI 236 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:35,679 break So. 237 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,879 Speaker 3: It's like a headspinner at this point. 238 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,759 Speaker 4: It you know, it's it's pretty obvious that we're gonna 239 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:48,679 have AI that is vastly smarter than humans, and. 240 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: Already in some ways it already is. 241 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: I mean, it seems like AI unequivocally smart more than 242 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,159 humans in every way, including in innovation is probably. 243 00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:08,519 Speaker 3: No more than a year or two away. We would see. 244 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: That's uh, it's happy to think about Jesus, this is 245 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,279 kind of worrying. 246 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: I hope it's nice to us. 247 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: You know. 248 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: What, you know, when you look happy about all the 249 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:28,279 things we've asked it to do. 250 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: What's something. 251 00:15:29,159 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Listen, you have a better position to see this in 252 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,000 anybody pretty much what's going to happen in five years, 253 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,480 And you're seeing that. Maybe a lot of people aren't 254 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,440 seeing that. It's going to blow people's minds. That will 255 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,759 be doable in five years. 256 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: In five years we'll have probably so five years being 257 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:52,240 say twenty thirty one. 258 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: I think. 259 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:59,799 Speaker 3: Digital intelligence will exceed the sum of all human intelligence. 260 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:09,759 Speaker 4: That there will be in five years. Probably there might 261 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,960 be a let's say, at least one hundred million humanoid robots, 262 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:23,879 but maybe a billion. Yeah, alright, the I mean, and 263 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:31,799 and I predict that the economy is probably twice its 264 00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:39,039 current size in five maybe six years, seven at five 265 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,639 to seven years, because you're going to hit a doubling period, 266 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,879 you know where it's where the economic output is increasing 267 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,440 so so fast that you know, plus myask a few years, 268 00:16:50,519 --> 00:16:52,600 you're you're you we'll see giant changes. 269 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: Mhm, what what you know? 270 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,279 Speaker 2: A couple of follow up questions on that, When do 271 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,919 you see the first data center in space? Again, you 272 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,599 have a better vision on that than pretty much anybody. 273 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,920 You know. You're again if when we're going to Mars, 274 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,359 it's you're clearly going to be leading the way. When 275 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,640 do we get a colony in the moon? When do 276 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:12,960 we get a colonie on Mars? 277 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:13,599 Speaker 1: Three? 278 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: Prime question, data center in space, humans on the Moon, 279 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,160 humans on Mars timeline. 280 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:22,559 Speaker 1: Center. 281 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,799 Speaker 3: Space is much easier than people may think. 282 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 4: I mean, SpaceX at this point has ten thousand satellites 283 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:33,720 in orbook right now, and in the future with Starship, 284 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:39,359 will be launching over ten thousand communication satellites per year, 285 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,079 each one of which is much more capable than our 286 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:42,880 current satellites. 287 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,039 Speaker 3: So you can expect, you know, probably. 288 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: One hundred times more communications capability than currently exist from space. 289 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,720 But that will pay in comparison to the tonnage of 290 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:05,240 AI satellites. So, I mean, it's always helpful to use 291 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,839 the physics tools of thinking in the limit. If say, 292 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:09,359 if you think of the limit, what is the most 293 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,440 amount of AI compute you could possibly bring to bear 294 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:18,359 and the way to access power that's far beyond anything 295 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,000 on Earth is in space. So these are some humbling 296 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,480 ways to maybe frame the problem and see how tiny 297 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,200 we are here on Earth. We are like microbes on 298 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:38,440 a dust mote compared to the Sun. So all of 299 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:43,680 human civilization currently uses less than a trillionth of the 300 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,240 energy of the say the power emitted by the Sun, 301 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:50,400 much less than a trillionth. All human energy, counted as 302 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,319 generously as you could possibly imagine, is much less than 303 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:59,799 a trillionth to the Sun's energy. So that means if 304 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:07,680 you were to increase civilizational energy harnessed by a million, 305 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,279 you would still be much less than a millionth of 306 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:18,480 the Sun's and it harness. And another way to think 307 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,359 about it is because people suddenly say, what about this 308 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:23,160 form of left of power generation or that form of 309 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,079 power generation. I'm luck everything is irrelevant compared to the Sun. 310 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:30,000 The Sun is ninety nine point eight percent of mass 311 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,880 in the Solar system. If all mass that was not 312 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,000 the Sun was burnt, and you've extracted the absolute maximum 313 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,200 amount of energy from all mass that is not the Sun, 314 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,200 the amount of energy produced by the Sun, we're still 315 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:44,319 round out to one hundred percent of the energy produced 316 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:47,000 in the solar system. And then if you teleported two 317 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,319 more jupiters from other somehow teleported two more jupiters into 318 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,119 our solar system and burnt them too, the Sun was 319 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,720 still be one hundred percent of power rounding out. So 320 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:01,640 really everything is this extremely tiny compared to the Sun. 321 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:06,039 So that therefore, when you go to space, if you 322 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,240 if you want to to climb the Cottage Cottter chief 323 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:12,119 scale in any meaningful way whatsoever, you have to go 324 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,839 to space and and and uh, you know, our rough 325 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,359 estimate is that you could probably do a tarror what 326 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,839 a year of AI powered uh you know, sole powered 327 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:30,880 AI satellites from launched from Earth. That would require let's 328 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,400 say something like ten million tons a year of paler 329 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,880 to orbit at one hundred killowats per ton, and that 330 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,000 would be a tar tearwa per year. The average power 331 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:42,000 usage in the United States is half a terror wort. 332 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,920 That would mean you'd be launching twice the rist the 333 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,440 amount of AI power. Then then the entire electricity consumption 334 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,960 in the United States per year. Yeah, yeah, but this 335 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:00,359 is this is this is We're not breaking any physic here. 336 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,640 This is this is all achievable. Now, if you want 337 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,319 to take that up several more orders magnitude, then the 338 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:09,160 things to do is to build a base on the Moon, 339 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:17,319 and construct a mass driver, and build the solar panels 340 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,039 and radiators on the moon chips you could probably bring 341 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,880 from Earth, but built those the Moon too, and uh, 342 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:27,160 and that would enable you to do about a petawa 343 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:31,240 per year into a solar powered AI. 344 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure how much AI we need at 345 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 the end of the day, but that's a lot. 346 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: That a lot. 347 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 4: What it would be vastly greater than the than the 348 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:48,440 Earth's economy. This economy would be really inconsequential by comparison 349 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:48,720 with that. 350 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:52,839 Speaker 2: No, that's that's a vision of abundance for sure. I 351 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,359 know you've had quite a busy day, and you always 352 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,920 have a busy day, so we don't want to be 353 00:21:57,319 --> 00:21:58,079 mindful of your time. 354 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: So I just have two less questions on. 355 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,079 Speaker 2: There must be I mean, again, you keep on coming 356 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,119 up with these big ideas and you keep executing, then 357 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,720 what's a big idea in your head that you haven't 358 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:10,559 deployed yet. 359 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: That you'd like to. 360 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I did say for the longest time 361 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:20,359 that people want to booth build tunnels, and then everyone 362 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,160 thought I was joking, and then I was like, final, well, 363 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,039 let's just create a company, the barn Company, to build tunnels, 364 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,160 because this is an obvious way to reduce traffic to 365 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,279 zero by going three D with your transport system, just 366 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,079 as we go three D with the buildings. It's obviously 367 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,599 logical to illogical to. 368 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,559 Speaker 3: Expect that you. 369 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 4: Won't have traffic if you have buildings that are three 370 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,799 D and a transport system that is two D and 371 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,359 everyone tries to go in and out of the three 372 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,839 D building at the same time. But if you have 373 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,920 a transport network that is three dimensional with tunnels going 374 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,119 over the place, then you can address any arbitrary level 375 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,279 of traffic. Now, I encourage other people to start tunneling 376 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,519 companies because the boring company is the only one as 377 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:05,160 far as I can tell. 378 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: It's taking this boring to be the only boring company, right. 379 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Honestly, there's like a lot of opportunity, you know, 380 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:19,279 in tunnels, that really is and it's quite hard work 381 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:22,599 building these things, so I hope other people do it too, okay, 382 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,359 And I guess there's there's probably a lot of opportunity 383 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,680 in synthetic medicine. So with like these days, you can 384 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:37,839 basically create custom you know, RNA UH And I think 385 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,240 I think like that there's sort of we're going from, uh, 386 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,319 from a situation where medicine has been analog where we 387 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,559 kind of like just find drugs kind of by accident 388 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,880 most of the time, like finding sticks in the forest 389 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,119 that you know, seem like this stick seems like a 390 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,559 useful club type of thing. It's it's it's quite primitive 391 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:02,079 how we found medication in the past. Now, but once 392 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,319 you can sin, since we can now construct synthetic RNA, 393 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,680 you can effectively think of medicine. 394 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 3: The future's medicine is being digital. 395 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,319 Speaker 4: Like so if you just know what to program into 396 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,559 that synthetic RNA strand you can basically, I think, cure 397 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:19,319 almost anything. 398 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,519 Speaker 2: Right, challenge to the room, digital medicine and three D transportation. 399 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,920 Let's go, let's give you once in competition. All right, 400 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,599 last question, quick. 401 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: Aircraft probably an opportunity there. I think this is startups 402 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:32,920 in that field. 403 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,319 Speaker 1: What kind of quick what kind of aircraft? 404 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,519 Speaker 3: Electric aircraft, aircraft. 405 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's coming. 406 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 2: When we when we get together and you know, hopefully 407 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,599 you know who knows what the way technology is going 408 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:45,680 to something will be here in another two hundred and 409 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,160 fifty years for the Forbes, you know, five hundred celebration innovation. 410 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,400 What would you want your Yeah again, you're you're still 411 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,240 building it. But when you think about your legacy, and 412 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:59,200 I know it's early, but what would you what would 413 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,160 be make you feel good when people look back the 414 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,039 way you talked about Edison and Franklin. 415 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,039 Speaker 1: What would what would you like people say about you? 416 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,319 Speaker 3: You played a useful role in the advancement of civilization. 417 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: Pray with in UHH. 418 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,599 Speaker 2: I think, by the way, again, this is the most 419 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,440 incredible room in America today. I think that's true for 420 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,119 all of us. So let's take inspiration. You all are great, 421 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,720 but he's number one. Uh Elon must thank you for 422 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,599 joining us here at this That's what the A I 423 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,720 will say, thank you again, thank you for your time 424 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,440 and all that, and thank you. Now we're gonna have them. 425 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,680 We're gonna let you go and we're gonna bring the 426 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,880 other award winners up. And Elon Musk again, thank you 427 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,920 for your time and all all your good thoughts. 428 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. To see you in the next episode.