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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the nonprofits. So here's the

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<v Speaker 1>latest absurdity.

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<v Speaker 2>The World Start Federation has decided that darts, the game

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<v Speaker 2>where your biggest physical exertion is lifting a pint between throws,

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<v Speaker 2>is apparently under threat if trans women are allowed to compete. Yes, darts,

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<v Speaker 2>not wrestling, not powerlifting, but darts. Dutch player Noel Lynn

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<v Speaker 2>van Luvin, one of the sports rising stars, just got

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<v Speaker 2>banned from Woman's Firmness because the WDF voted to restrict

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<v Speaker 2>them to people's assign female at birth. Translation, they rather

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<v Speaker 2>exclude talent than admit their rule is rooted in bias,

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<v Speaker 2>not biology.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the part I love.

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<v Speaker 2>Noah Lynn is in quitting. She's still playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>open events and with Professional Darts Corporation, which shocker seems

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<v Speaker 2>to understand inclusivity doesn't ruin a sport. She's basically saying

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<v Speaker 2>you can take the board or the darts out of

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<v Speaker 2>my hands, and that that's bulls eye energy. This story

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<v Speaker 2>is from LGBT New Nation by John Russell on July thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. Okay, dope, smokey, So okay, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>little I'm just going to say this real quick. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know darts was a major concern of athletic ability

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<v Speaker 2>that we would need trans women couldn't play with a

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<v Speaker 2>fab people. But apparently I didn't know there. Apparently you

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<v Speaker 2>can find bigger tree everywhere. So here we are. So

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<v Speaker 2>my question to you, you last start with you? So

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<v Speaker 2>you know how you know sports? You know sports stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do the sports ball, but they usually pride

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<v Speaker 2>themselves of fairness and inclusivity.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does fairness really mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And again my darts, which realizes on the skill and

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<v Speaker 2>precision rather than physical strength, Like, what's the difference?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't really know, not being you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a biologist of any sort. But since I'm not an expert,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm speculating. And having said that, I feel licensed to

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<v Speaker 3>speculate wildly. I somebody who has actually experienced the phenomenon

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<v Speaker 3>might tell me that I'm wrong, and I would be

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<v Speaker 3>I would gladly hear that. But I think that, like

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<v Speaker 3>transphobia really just comes down to sexism, right. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>this idea that in this particular example, so with the darts,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a competitor of Noahllen that refused to play

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<v Speaker 3>against her because I am assuming in that other player's view,

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<v Speaker 3>Noah Lynn is a man pretending to be a woman

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<v Speaker 3>and feels that it is unfair for her, the other competitor,

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<v Speaker 3>to play against Noahllen because she thinks that Nolan has

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<v Speaker 3>some distinct advantage against her because she's because in her view,

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<v Speaker 3>not in my own, Noelan is not a woman. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't holp that people, just to clarify that one more time,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there is such deeply ingrained misogyny in

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<v Speaker 3>the society that, like I over this past week and

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<v Speaker 3>I encountered a woman that like told me out of

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<v Speaker 3>her mouth that she feels like men know more some

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<v Speaker 3>things better than her just by virtue of being men,

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<v Speaker 3>and feels like men should be the authority. And the

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<v Speaker 3>three you know cis white men in the car with her.

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<v Speaker 3>We all disagreed with her on that, and like after,

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<v Speaker 3>like why do you think that? And I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of an ironic thing. But it's so ingrained

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<v Speaker 3>that there are even women that believe this, and and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's kind of what's happening here is like whoever,

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<v Speaker 3>like this other competitor was or these other you know,

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<v Speaker 3>competitors in this Federation, feel not only feel as if

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<v Speaker 3>trans women aren't women, which is false, feel as if

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<v Speaker 3>men have a distinct advantage against them. You know, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>say males have a distinct advantage against them in something

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<v Speaker 3>as simple as darts, when to my knowledge, there's no

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<v Speaker 3>like data to really suggest that. So that that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I think is happening.

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<v Speaker 4>I would I would add to that, but I would

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<v Speaker 4>add to that that that women often have been they've

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<v Speaker 4>been beaten down for so many thousands of years that

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<v Speaker 4>it almost comes, uh, becomes that a thing that they

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<v Speaker 4>kind of just use in the fast thinking mode instead

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<v Speaker 4>of the deep thinking mode. So it's like it's an

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<v Speaker 4>automatic thing that comes out of their mouth, even though

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<v Speaker 4>they don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just how do you how do you exist

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<v Speaker 4>safely in a world dominated by men? You give them

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<v Speaker 4>what they want, and you keep what you're really thinking

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<v Speaker 4>to yourself. There's no reason for for that girl who

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<v Speaker 4>quit the game. In darts, there are some minor differences

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<v Speaker 4>in how a woman would play and a man would play,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's no real difference in skill. You know, anybody

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<v Speaker 4>who practices enough can hit the bull's eye. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>some people it takes it a week. Some people it

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<v Speaker 4>takes a year, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also too, I want to point out that

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<v Speaker 2>if she's on HRT, her biology is different than sismile

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<v Speaker 2>that's not on any sort of hormones, so her biology

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<v Speaker 2>has already changed anyway. So just so it just boils

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<v Speaker 2>down to basically genitals at this point, and that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about that either. So I'm sorry, this

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<v Speaker 2>just reads of sexism and and it's so. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>much easier to have that sexism go toward trans women

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<v Speaker 2>than a fab woman because we've are there. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't really piss their bigger they're bigger group than us, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be very much frowned upon.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus like there's other people working in the organization. There

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<v Speaker 2>are probably you know, sis women, so you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that, but that that over there, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to protect women's sports.

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<v Speaker 1>That's bad. They're bad. So it's all arbitrary crap. That's

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<v Speaker 1>usually how big a tree goes anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>So John based so based on what we just discussed,

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<v Speaker 2>it sue. In situations where science is cided but no

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<v Speaker 2>new evidence is presented, how should we evaluate whether a

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<v Speaker 2>policy is based on data or on fear and cultural bias.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's actually fairly easy in this case because since

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<v Speaker 4>there is no data, the lack of data means that

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<v Speaker 4>you do not discriminate until there is data that shows

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<v Speaker 4>there's an overwhelming need to balance the playing field. There's

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<v Speaker 4>there's so little difference between how the two genders play

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<v Speaker 4>a sport like darts that a good a good player,

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<v Speaker 4>regardless of what gender they are, can win against anybody

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<v Speaker 4>else who isn't as good as they are. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>have anything to do with what gender they are. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know that maybe if they were they lengthened the

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<v Speaker 4>field to the point where they had to toss it

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<v Speaker 4>like a baseball, then it would be a distance thing

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<v Speaker 4>where they had to have strong enough upper body strength

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<v Speaker 4>to hurl it that far. But for the in reality,

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<v Speaker 4>if they're only doing you know, five or ten paces,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no real difference. And so what this

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<v Speaker 4>really is is just sheer discrimination. There's a sheer because

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<v Speaker 4>their members are from I don't know, I forget how

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<v Speaker 4>many countries. There's quite a few countries that voted on this,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of those countries are simply just homophobic

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<v Speaker 4>and transphobic period. Their cultures are that way, and they say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>they shouldn't be doing that, you know, even though it's

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<v Speaker 4>just not a thing. You know, it's sort of like sailing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, women can crew on a sailboat, any any

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<v Speaker 4>size sailboat, you know, and they can they can they

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<v Speaker 4>can race against the whole all male crew and win,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, at the skill level is basically seamanship.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know, you know, why do we do

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<v Speaker 4>this at all? Why are we picking on somebody just

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<v Speaker 4>and there's like one person in all of darts who's trans,

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<v Speaker 4>so they're they're doing this, or maybe two or three,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're you know, the percentage of trans people in

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<v Speaker 4>any sport is so minute that if they if they

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<v Speaker 4>actually win a tournament, they're gonna everybody's going to point

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<v Speaker 4>to the fact they're trans. Whereas if a woman who's

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<v Speaker 4>jacked on testosterone because she wants to win the game

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<v Speaker 4>has fifty times a testosterone, or the trans person who's

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<v Speaker 4>trying to reduce their testosterone and she she wins a game,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't say anything that what what's that's because it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I want to point out there might be trans

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<v Speaker 2>woman in darts, But you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You meet people of different genders, and you just don't

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<v Speaker 2>have different sexes that I'm present as a different gender.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know because we're not looking out of generals.

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<v Speaker 2>We look at how they present. So I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>you probably need a transferson didn't know it, just saying

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<v Speaker 2>so anyway, I just feel like I think I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>getting a little like I don't think about darts.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really think about sports.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really think about it until I have to

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<v Speaker 2>and tell something like this. It's like, oh yeah, big

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<v Speaker 2>a tree, and it just it just seems so absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's like any sport, but really it starts

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I don't understand. And I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of training there, because like I'm not the

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<v Speaker 2>best at darts.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of suck at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure there's a lot of vision and focus

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<v Speaker 2>and there has to be consistency and tons and tons

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<v Speaker 2>of practice, and there's probably you know, they have coaches

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<v Speaker 2>and all the things, and I get that, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you want to do for a career. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's great, But then you get you know, weirdos who

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<v Speaker 2>are like, no, I am sorry, there is a trap

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote you know around and that makes me nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I can't have a woman and any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of capacity being better than me because of my fragile

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<v Speaker 2>mail ego.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I hear.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sorry, not sorry, so.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>And that being said, in the broader social context of

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<v Speaker 2>all this and the attitudes, what do you what should

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<v Speaker 2>like sports organizations do, because obviously they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>they were okay with this two years ago, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they voted again.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, no, sorry, we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like trans people anymore, but you can compete and all

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<v Speaker 2>the other stuff. But I mean, like, I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 2>she's going on to work with another organization. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's great, But it's just so dumb.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like you because you wear brown shoes. Damn it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, okay, what it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>And it says too and I mentioned this a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit beforehand, the that like, so the policy is like

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<v Speaker 3>strictly about like exclusion, right, is an exclusionary policy. It says,

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<v Speaker 3>let's take you know, trans women away from CIS women,

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<v Speaker 3>but and and put them in this own little group

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<v Speaker 3>that we are called open. Right, you can still play,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can't play as women. We will let you play,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're not going to recognize you as women. It's

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<v Speaker 3>basically what they're saying. And then they go on to

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<v Speaker 3>it says leader in the article that like, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 3>currently speaking with lawyers to you know, figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>to implement this in a way that includes everybody. Like, motherfucker,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't like you by implementing this, you're excluding people,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's the case. We like we've already said no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't exclude people, and then be like, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you people inclusively? Yeah, exactly, and like putting into.

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<v Speaker 4>A growth with everybody is not is not. It's still

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<v Speaker 4>reminding me of Brown versus the Board of Education. Separate

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<v Speaker 4>but equal, separate exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it's it's it's just another repeat of that. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't implement exclusion in in an inclusive way. Uh, hand

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<v Speaker 3>eye coordination is handled in like what the prefrontal cortex,

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<v Speaker 3>which there maybe are there some differences between you know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>Neurodivergent people can have different handy coordination, you know, propriateceptions.

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<v Speaker 3>So like there's there. If you want to segregate darts

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<v Speaker 3>based on something, do it based on prefrontal cortex activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Right if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do that because gender something something.

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<v Speaker 3>Something something, gibus something something something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that's that's really a shame, you know that

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<v Speaker 4>this that and this person gets to suffer for it.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's she's a trooper and she's gonna do what

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<v Speaker 4>proud of her for that. I think that, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not quitting is kind of a poke in the eye

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<v Speaker 4>to these bigots who who just try and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>control everything that we do and who we are. You

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<v Speaker 4>can't control who we are. We are who we are period.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, get over it. You know, I'm queer. I'm here,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm staying. Get over it, you know, move on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's thank you for thank you for you've

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<v Speaker 2>for the queer people, John, I feel see anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>am gonna so I wanted to read what Cynthia, who

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using her notes. Thank you, Cynthia.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to read what Cynthia wrote and I

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<v Speaker 1>So this is keptical humanist point of view. The world

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<v Speaker 1>starts federation.

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<v Speaker 2>The ban on transgransder woman and women's tournaments isn't grounded

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<v Speaker 2>in news science, is grounded in fear. By their own emission,

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<v Speaker 2>no significant evidence shows trans women have an advantage in darts. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>this decision mirrors the rising tide of anti trans sentiment

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<v Speaker 2>we see in many areas of society. From a humanist perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>the issue isn't just about darts. It's about dignity, inclusion,

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<v Speaker 2>and recognizing the humanity of other parers like Noah Lynn

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<v Speaker 2>Van Luvin. Rules that single out trans athletes under the

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<v Speaker 2>guise of fairness reveal less about farness itself and more

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<v Speaker 2>about prejudice disguise as policy. Humanism reminds us that we

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<v Speaker 2>should build communities, including sports that foster participate, participation, joy

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<v Speaker 2>and in respect for all people. No one's that vow

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<v Speaker 2>to fear and exclusion. So I would like to get

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<v Speaker 2>your reaction to that.

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<v Speaker 4>John, I agree with her analysis pretty much completely. She

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<v Speaker 4>she did mention, you know about how how these things

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<v Speaker 4>to be uh confronted as they happen, you know, so

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<v Speaker 4>me obviously for various reasons. But I have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of friends who are trans and this just really torques

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<v Speaker 4>my chain quite a bit. And after reading this article,

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote the offending agency and gave them what for

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<v Speaker 4>that they need to be equitable and then throwing fairness

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<v Speaker 4>and equitability right in the trash basically, so it kind

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<v Speaker 4>of activated my activist gene. I think the links to

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<v Speaker 4>this are down in the uh down in the lit

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<v Speaker 4>down down by the comments, but just before the comments,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, hitting more on the little thought who you'll

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<v Speaker 4>see the articles, uh the article we do this for

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<v Speaker 4>and just look up this this rather naughty organization who

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<v Speaker 4>the year before had no problem with it until it

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<v Speaker 4>became a problem in some of their member countries, and

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<v Speaker 4>until this other player forfeited a match you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>that I guess was their their final. Uh. Well, we

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<v Speaker 4>got to do something because we can't have everybody forfeiting

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<v Speaker 4>matches because this person's transgender. Uh, everybody is not one

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<v Speaker 4>person first and secondly, it's setting a bad precedent for

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<v Speaker 4>everybody else. So if you want to be discriminatory and

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<v Speaker 4>you want to be bigoted, you know, if you're setting

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<v Speaker 4>a setting a standard for the entire organization and the

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<v Speaker 4>entire sport, then probably you need to be shouted down.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's pretty much that what I wanted to say

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<v Speaker 4>at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know you mentioned it earlier. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I did at the beginning too. You know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>just transphobia, and transphobia is just misogyny, and misogyny is

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<v Speaker 3>just sexism, and sexism is just ignorance. So it's just ignorance,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when you go down to it. And I

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<v Speaker 3>I I think I agree with John that that what

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<v Speaker 3>Cynthia said was very apt and describing it. But I,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm not experiencing the phenomenon. I I can't

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<v Speaker 3>really say, you know, I can't say what it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't say how it feels. I can't I can't

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<v Speaker 3>do anything but listen, and then you know, ask how

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<v Speaker 3>I can help. So I don't know how that might be,

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<v Speaker 3>but I would like I would like to know, and I,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I have your back.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and sometimes that's all you need, and then

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<v Speaker 2>if someone does can point you in.

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<v Speaker 1>The right direction to help, you should help.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as mister Rogers says when he was alive, always

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<v Speaker 2>look for the people that help.

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<v Speaker 4>So