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Speaker 1: Daniel Davis, Steve Dive. We got a message from your
Speaker 1: handler retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, that you are not
Speaker 1: feeling up to snuff this morning, and we're going to
Speaker 1: be doing the segment and there you are. I'm so
Speaker 1: pleased that you're here today, sir. Thank your volumes down,
Speaker 1: Joe says your microphone may not be on. I can
Speaker 1: see you anyway, now the hell's bells. Goodness, there you go. Second,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go. Yeah, anyway, glad to
Speaker 1: see you and hear you, so welcome back. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's hit the ground running on this. I understand that
Speaker 1: it's been widely reported the words pissed off for you,
Speaker 1: Trump is pissed off with Vladimir Putin? What's this one
Speaker 1: all about, mister Davis or Lieutenant Davis?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can see are you pissed off
Speaker 3: at Vladimir Putin? Are you pissed off at Zelensky? Because
Speaker 3: the entrargy both is yes, He's actually been mad at
Speaker 3: both of them. One of the big problems for from
Speaker 3: the Russian perspective is that Russia is not agreed to
Speaker 3: thinks the way that Trump thinks.
Speaker 1: That they should.
Speaker 3: There's actually news out this morning from the Deputy four
Speaker 3: Minister Riebkov, who said, hey, look, we're interested in talking
Speaker 3: about this ceasefire, but only in contemption with solving the
Speaker 3: causes of the war. Uh. And so far the United
Speaker 3: States doesn't want to talk about that. They just want
Speaker 3: to get mineral deals or whatever. So you know, Russian conditions,
Speaker 3: they say, there's no NATO, there's a demilitarization, demnazification they
Speaker 3: call it, which is means Zelensky has to go and
Speaker 3: they get all territory as well. So far are the
Speaker 3: university talked to that? And apparently Trump is not happy
Speaker 3: that Putin is not willing to talk talk about the
Speaker 3: ceasefire until he gets the other stuff done.
Speaker 1: So okay, So it's pissed off all around. A lot
Speaker 1: of being pissed off goes multiple ways now in terms
Speaker 1: of your perception. And I'm maybe coming out of left
Speaker 1: field to ask you this because I don't think you
Speaker 1: have done polls on the ground, but maybe someone has.
Speaker 1: If they were to hold elections in Ukraine, is it
Speaker 1: certain that Zelensky would be re elected? I mean, couldn't
Speaker 1: they quote unquote de nazify and get Zelenski out there
Speaker 1: just by holding open elections.
Speaker 3: It is possible, though I do talk to to people
Speaker 3: who are on the grounded KIV and they say that
Speaker 3: because he has controls Lenski does over all of the media,
Speaker 3: and you know, he gets to control the narrative and
Speaker 3: he has control over who's running, et cetera, that it's
Speaker 3: likely that he would be elected. But then again, it's
Speaker 3: also uncertain because there are many in the West, especially
Speaker 3: in Great Britain, that would prefer a different leader to
Speaker 3: deal with a guy who's a former I guess actually
Speaker 3: is a current and bachelor to the UK is as
Speaker 3: illusion to form the general. So it's actually not at
Speaker 3: all clear who would win. But Russia just says, hey,
Speaker 3: the main thing is it's got to be legitimate who
Speaker 3: passed an election age knowledge, even if it's got to
Speaker 3: be somebody who passed an election.
Speaker 1: All right. Another component of this, and you kind of
Speaker 1: referenced in a moment ago, we're talking about the anger
Speaker 1: that's going away among the three parties hear Us, Ukraine
Speaker 1: and Russia. There was a lot of talk about a
Speaker 1: proposed mineral deal where the United States will be able
Speaker 1: to access a lot of the minerals that are apparently
Speaker 1: in Ukraine. I always heard that it was sort of
Speaker 1: in payment for all of the money that we have
Speaker 1: given them in terms of aid so far. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, you guys kind of owe us, and why
Speaker 1: don't you let us tap into your mental reserves and
Speaker 1: we'll split the profits or at least sharing that. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure what's yours. Zelensky's position is on that,
Speaker 1: but apparently he is. It's been suggested he's trying to
Speaker 1: back out of that proposal. Where does that stand right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things that the other thing
Speaker 3: that made Trump unhappy because Zelensky is wanting to say, hey,
Speaker 3: let's renegotiate a deal. So he wants h he wants
Speaker 3: he wants to go back again to read uh and
Speaker 3: analyze the situation to for NATO. He says, hey, we'll
Speaker 3: give you this mineral. Well, we want to get it
Speaker 3: to NATO too. Uh And by the way, the percentages,
Speaker 3: that's not working for me yet. So he's trying to
Speaker 3: renegotiate the deal after the fact, and of course we've
Speaker 3: had huge problems with this mineral still getting passed. I
Speaker 3: mean with we sent Bison to Kiev to sign a deal,
Speaker 3: Zilensky didn't sign it. Then we had the deficulty on
Speaker 3: the Oval Office situation, we didn't sign it. Now then
Speaker 3: here's another situation, and then now Lensky's wanting to go back,
Speaker 3: and I think he's playing dangerous games. Lensky is because
Speaker 3: he has no leverage here with either Russia and militarily
Speaker 3: or the US diplomatically, so he seems to be making
Speaker 3: everybody angry in that. This just I don't think is
Speaker 3: going to work out well for Ukraine or Zelenski himself.
Speaker 1: Well. Obviously critical to this getting resolved on any level,
Speaker 1: least from Swazielenski's perspective is being in into NATO. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure the United States is in favor of that.
Speaker 1: But where are the rest of the NATO countries they
Speaker 1: get to say in this, and are they liking the
Speaker 1: idea of getting Ukraine to be a part of NATO.
Speaker 3: Well, President Trump I just categorically said both in Air
Speaker 3: Force one and is.
Speaker 2: Overlook his desk.
Speaker 3: I guess yesterday he said that ain't happened. Just categorically, No,
Speaker 3: it's not happening. But it's funny because the Western European
Speaker 3: nicians have been wanting to talk about the possibility of
Speaker 3: this and say you know someday, not now, but some day.
Speaker 3: But behind the scenes, everybody knows and they have from
Speaker 3: before the war started. Ukraine will never be in NATO.
Speaker 3: But instead of just acknowledging that self evident reality, they
Speaker 3: keep the lip service going, which keeps Zelensky thinking he's
Speaker 3: going to get in it gets more of their people killed.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, there is no
Speaker 3: chance for it now or later.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me to be prudent at this
Speaker 1: juncture if not previously, and I would have argued been
Speaker 1: navigated for previously, someone just to sort of verbally slap
Speaker 1: Zelensky in the face and making face up to the
Speaker 1: cold water dose reality. Dude, you're not getting into NATO,
Speaker 1: So take that demand off the table or your people
Speaker 1: are going to continue to get slaughtered and the Russia
Speaker 1: is going to continue to make inroads into your country.
Speaker 3: And then I'll also add to that, and if you
Speaker 3: don't stop this, we're gonna stop. Even given the verbal.
Speaker 1: Cover through, it ain't happen.
Speaker 3: So let's move on to whatever's next, which is getting
Speaker 3: this war over with at the least cost possible to
Speaker 3: the Ukraine side. That's what they should be going after
Speaker 3: that's what's actually possible. But if you keep going down
Speaker 3: the fiction path both are Ukraine and for Europe, it's
Speaker 3: never gonna happen. In what that leaves is Russia hasn't
Speaker 3: stopped anything right now. I mean even these these fires
Speaker 3: haven't actually been implemented yet. So Russia is just continuing
Speaker 3: to fight and they're continuing to win ground every day.
Speaker 3: Ukraine soldiers are dying every day. This is not this
Speaker 3: is a zero sum situation. Is the longer you delay
Speaker 3: from Zelenski and the European side, the more likely the
Speaker 3: chances to you physically lose the war, and then you
Speaker 3: don't get to negotiate anything. That's what they haven't.
Speaker 1: Come to grip with yet. Wow. Well, and pivoting over
Speaker 1: to the Russia and a China relationship, My how times
Speaker 1: have changed my recollections. We normalize relations with China in
Speaker 1: order to separate them from the former Soviet Union, and
Speaker 1: now they seem to embracing each other with I guess
Speaker 1: Jizen Ping saying the other day that we're Russia and
Speaker 1: China our friends forever, never enemies. What does this suggest
Speaker 1: to you, Daniel Davis, Well, this has been.
Speaker 3: One of my concerns from the beginning. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: going all the way back into the nineteen seventies with
Speaker 3: President Dixon. I has always separate and to not brotten together.
Speaker 3: Of course, the Biden administration on steroids just drove them.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know, hot speed and directions together
Speaker 3: gave both sides every incentive to work together, along with
Speaker 3: Iran and North Korea. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 3: mean add all that together. None of it was necessary,
Speaker 3: None of it existed product of February twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: By the way, there was distance. There was some closeness
Speaker 3: between the two, between the four parties, but there was
Speaker 3: a space between all four. Even Russia and China had
Speaker 3: some differences. Now then those have been almost eliminated. And
Speaker 3: if we have outright military lines with both Korea and Iran,
Speaker 3: with Russia and then you know, now, then you have
Speaker 3: the situation to where they have more incentive to continue
Speaker 3: to stay together. So far, I think Trump is trying
Speaker 3: to put a little distance between the two. So that's
Speaker 3: better than what it was. But right now it's not
Speaker 3: helping out because Russia is not getting what they want,
Speaker 3: so they don't have any incentive to break anything with China.
Speaker 3: China is helping them both diplomatically and with other non
Speaker 3: military means which have dual use purposes.
Speaker 1: And of course China can gobble up all the energy
Speaker 1: it needs and get a lot of it from Russia.
Speaker 1: So that's sort of that forces them to embrace each
Speaker 1: other given global sanctions on Russian oil exports and Iranian exports.
Speaker 1: So it's just pushing all those that access closer and
Speaker 1: closer together every day. Well, yeah, it and that's not.
Speaker 2: Good for us.
Speaker 3: I mean, anytime that you know, any potential adversaries of
Speaker 3: the United States are coming together and work in cooperation,
Speaker 3: that's not good for us. And so we should say, hey,
Speaker 3: let's stop that process. And I mean, look that the
Speaker 3: best way is to just de escalate tensions so that
Speaker 3: you don't have anyone of the reason to want to
Speaker 3: oppose you. Instead of find areas of common benefits, say hey,
Speaker 3: where can we find win win situations here if that
Speaker 3: benefits America. And it's not weakness as some I'm we're
Speaker 3: sualy in the West seem to advocate where they just
Speaker 3: want nothing but a confrontational approach, thinking there's never any
Speaker 3: consequence for it. But there is, and we can we
Speaker 3: do have enough leverage to actually improve all those situations
Speaker 3: that I hope the Trump.
Speaker 1: Administration doesn't amen to that. Daniel Davis Deep, I've always
Speaker 1: a great pleasure having in the program. Glad it worked
Speaker 1: out today. Good to see as always. We'll talk next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Stay well, my friend, see you next week. Thank you.
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