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<v Speaker 1>We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello kittens, welcome back to another edition of the PSO.

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<v Speaker 1>I am the team. You're te Low, Tom Fitzgerald, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with the Low and your te Lot Lorenzo,

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<v Speaker 1>my cousin, I love the husband, and we are back

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<v Speaker 1>from our trip back and Lorenzo is dying. He told

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<v Speaker 1>me he was like, I am talking about the trip

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. You were giving me fifteen minutes talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>We're asking on Instagram and you know, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>know about our trip and.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just set the stage and then you can go,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're very bad at setting the stage if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been paying attention or listening. We took a almost

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<v Speaker 1>two ten day trip to Edinburgh and Donic, Ireland, and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days in Dublin and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely time. And Lorenzo planned the entire trip because I

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<v Speaker 1>am I've been with this man long enough to know

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<v Speaker 1>that you just get out of his way when there's

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<v Speaker 1>a trip to be planned. So I'm turning this over

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<v Speaker 1>to you. If you follow us on Instagram, and you should,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Tom and Lorenzo Official because our original Tom and

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<v Speaker 1>lorenzo Instagram account got hacked and we're no longer part

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<v Speaker 1>of that. So Tom and Lorenzo Official. If you go

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<v Speaker 1>there on Instagram, you will see hundreds of pictures from

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<v Speaker 1>our trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see a ton of pictures because I always

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<v Speaker 2>do that because sometimes I feel like it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>too self endored. But people love it. People love it.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, oh my god, I'm so glad to see

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<v Speaker 2>your pictures. You take great pictures, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to share. So if you're planning a trip,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you get inspired by the pictures and the

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<v Speaker 2>places we've been. I was my entire life. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go to Scotland. I don't know why. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess because I liked the culture and everything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was very excited. We we were we we

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<v Speaker 2>got invited to a wedding uh in in Ireland, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the original plan with the whole family. So

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<v Speaker 2>uh so we were talking about it and then we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't we just go to Scotland too, Like, since

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<v Speaker 2>we're there, let's just add another you know, leg and

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<v Speaker 2>uh we did, and I'm my god, I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Edinburgh is magical. I say, it's kind of a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>magical city.

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<v Speaker 2>You go ahead, No, no, no, I mean Scotland is absolutely magical.

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<v Speaker 2>It's everything I saw on TikTok five hundred thousand times

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube everywhere. It's really what you see online and more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a beautiful, magical place. Uh. There's so much history

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere you can feel it. Uh. And it's so beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>and the people were so friendly. I have to emphasize this.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was extremely friendly and helpful and it was just great.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the most amazing experience. It's funny because Tom's family,

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<v Speaker 2>some of his siblings went first a couple of days

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<v Speaker 2>first before we landed there, and they were taking pictures

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<v Speaker 2>and I see all these people wearing jackets and blazes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one hundred and five to grays in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>I now left ye and we landed in cold weather.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was really cold. I mean I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 2>going to bring a jacket, but you know, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>I did. So. It was kind of like cloudy, gray

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<v Speaker 2>and a little bit of rain in the beginning. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it's funny, towards the end of the trip, we

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<v Speaker 2>were like wearing shorts and it was so hot. Right anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we made a very good decision. I highly recommend that

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<v Speaker 2>we took the bus toward to the Highlands. We went

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<v Speaker 2>to the Loch Nest, glen Coe and the Highlands and

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<v Speaker 2>all that area, and it was just it's a long trip.

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<v Speaker 2>You were on a bus a long time because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that close to Edinburgh, but it's so worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just going and looking at the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just the scenery and and the mountains and everything. And

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<v Speaker 2>then every time we stopped, my god.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just heaven. It's beautiful. It doesn't seem real. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem when you're standing and it doesn't seem real.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got to see a lot of things. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine. Dura Mile is it's very touristy, but

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<v Speaker 2>so magical. The castle, my god, it's it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>just a castle, it's a whole village up there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just phenomenon. We had great time. We also had tea there.

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<v Speaker 2>We did the afternoon tea at the castle with the

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<v Speaker 2>whole family, which was very lovely. So we visit every

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much every place. We walked a lot. We saw

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<v Speaker 2>a lot as you can see. I took a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of pictures and of course I had to try the kilt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I had to you you can see pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of me wearing on my our Instagram account. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was funny. The whole thing started with us talking because

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<v Speaker 2>we have we had a family group for the trip,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the guys, the in laws, were saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking abouting a kilt. And then I'm like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, let's do it. Let's all do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll take a picture all together, all the boys together

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<v Speaker 2>wearing kilts. But of course knew what he did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it. I was like, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Do my memory play. That was not my memory no. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no one said I think I'll do it. Lorenzo was

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<v Speaker 1>let's all do it. No one, no one suggested doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>You were the one. Well the funny thing, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, I don't think I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But after I did it, people were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had.

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<v Speaker 1>Done one person anyway I did it. One person said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I wish I had done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway I did it, and I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the he or my husband told me to

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<v Speaker 1>shut up. And the bitch in this marriage. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am not the bitch anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the most of me. You're not dead serious

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<v Speaker 1>there for a second. No, really, I am the bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>I am the bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I had I love the experience. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a fashion person. I've always looked at men wearing them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so hot and masculine and beautiful. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I need to do it. Uh and

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<v Speaker 2>I had. I had no idea what I was doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't want it to do it, you know wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I didn't want to like make a fool

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<v Speaker 2>out of myself anyway. So I went to the store.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and uh, this guy at the store was so helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>He measured me and you know, the whole thing to

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<v Speaker 2>show me how to do it, because it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's very specific things about where it has to go

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<v Speaker 2>up you know, below you your belly button and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and the knees for the you know where he has

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<v Speaker 2>to hit your knee, and then the socks and the flashes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the little flags that you had to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the socks, all that stuff. So I wanted that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like watching videos how to how to wear it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I loved it, loved the experience, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>it now and I'm gonna wear it. I'm gonna wear it.

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<v Speaker 2>He did in filled it. I love it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just a great experience. Anyway, Scottland was phenomen.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite thing speaking of kilts, is I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to see a lot of kilts while we were there,

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<v Speaker 1>but my favorite thing was seeing guys who were not

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up and we're not in the full regalia, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have this very strong image. When we were in

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<v Speaker 1>the Highlands, we stopped in this one small town. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>it was the town where we took the ferry out

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<v Speaker 1>to lock Nest, So we were right on Locknest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Fort Augustus, Okay, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The town, and we were waiting in line for the

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<v Speaker 1>boat and this guy just walked by. He was just

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<v Speaker 1>some local walking by and he was in a gray

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<v Speaker 1>kilt with a gray hoodie and a pair of sneakers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just loved it. I was like, that is

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<v Speaker 1>such a cool look. Yes, yes, it's traditional, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>moderns It has a certain formality to it, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly not formal, and it's just very relaxed, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really I mean I knew this about the kilt, but

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<v Speaker 1>to see it in play to say that it actually

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<v Speaker 1>is a workable garment. It's not some ceremonial garment for

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<v Speaker 1>a Scottish men. It's it's a workable garment. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them will walk around wearing it in casual situations.

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<v Speaker 2>So I loved it. I did a lot of research

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, you also have the Great kilt that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one you see on Outleander that is pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>just a piece of cloth that you literally lie on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor and you wrap it around you. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>they were in the on the TV show Outleander. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and I asked people, I asked local, I asked the guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, am I insulting people here by

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<v Speaker 2>wearing this? You know, I don't want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be accused of like you know, cultural appropriation or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But they were like, no, my god, no,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone loves when people wear them, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 2>did it. Loved it anyway. Scotland was absolutely phenomenal. I

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<v Speaker 2>highly highly recommended. The food was great, Yes, hagus I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Lorenzo's a vegetari there's a vegetari, but they're not

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<v Speaker 1>on any of the restaurants we went to. None of

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<v Speaker 1>them had it. Also, Lorenzo managed to find a restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>with absolutely nothing on the menu that I liked. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a tremendous feet on his part. First the haggis.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the type of person who, if I go to

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<v Speaker 1>a country, I'm gonna, yeah, give me the haggis. When

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<v Speaker 1>we went to Germany, I was like, all right, strudel

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<v Speaker 1>and brought worst. That's what I'm going to do. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're here, you're here. You want to try those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not precious about foods that might be considered

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<v Speaker 1>a little questionable or or that other people might consider gross.

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<v Speaker 1>As our tour guide said when we were on the

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<v Speaker 1>Highland bus and he was talking about hagis, He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hear anything from Americans. You all

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<v Speaker 1>eat hot dogs, and you know you're you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to think about what's in a hot dog. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>no better or worse than what's in hagus. It was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I had it to have it. I had it to

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<v Speaker 1>say that I had it, to experience it and to

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, satisfy my curiosity, but I'll never have

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<v Speaker 1>it again. And I wasn't. I wasn't grossed out by

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<v Speaker 1>the flavor of it at all, and I'm not grossed

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<v Speaker 1>out by what it's made of. It's mostly made of

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<v Speaker 1>orgon me as far as I understand, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oatmeal and spices and stuff like that. It tasted fine,

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<v Speaker 1>it had. It tasted like a spicy meat loaf. My

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<v Speaker 1>issue with it was the consistency. I do not like

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<v Speaker 1>mushy food. That's me. I do not like mushy food

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Like I can't eat things like croquettes like

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<v Speaker 1>minced you know, chicken crow, that sort of thing, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't eat. I don't like it. So and that was

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<v Speaker 1>my thing. And I know there are forms of hagas

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<v Speaker 1>that are like deep fried, that have like a heavy

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<v Speaker 1>crust on them. But I had the traditional haggis with

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<v Speaker 1>the tatties and the NEPs, and I'm glad it was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>We tried several things. We tried the kerneken is that kranneken,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, which is basically a trifle but delicious, very

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<v Speaker 2>very good. The Iron Brew Iron brew to drink, which

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<v Speaker 1>Clough syrup. I didn't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a very unique flavor. And the funny thing

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<v Speaker 2>you asked people what does it taste like? What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>was a slight sort of orange, but I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>To me, felt a little berry ish. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was all right. I mean, I didn't hate it,

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<v Speaker 1>Edinburgh Castle, Dean Village.

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<v Speaker 2>Dean Village. I highly recommend Dean Village because when you

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<v Speaker 2>go online, people take a picture by the by those buildings,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by the bridge, and that's it. They go home. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to explore the whole area. It is so nice, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely nice to just walk around. There's a river

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's like gardens and all that stuff around it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just beautiful. It's beautiful and beautiful. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a fairytale village and it looks like, you know, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty never ended. I mean, it's very much a snapshot of.

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<v Speaker 2>A time far from the main city. Yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually walk if you feel like walking, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're a little we're lacking sick.

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<v Speaker 1>But I apologize. All right, let's take a short break

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back and wrap up our trip. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back. We're back and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up our vacation coverage. But we have a few

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<v Speaker 1>more things we wanted to talk about Scotland. Yeah, let's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to talk about the Ireland leg of our trap,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a couple more things we want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in Scotland, in Edinburgh specifically. I know we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk you want to talk about Mary King's clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let me explain. I'm gonna let Lorenzo explain

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<v Speaker 1>Mary King's clothes, but let me explain that where we

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<v Speaker 1>were staying in Edinburgh and where you get. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the tourist attraction of all tourist attraction is

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<v Speaker 1>what's called the Royal Mile. And it's literally a mile

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<v Speaker 1>long street, all cobblestones leading up a hill and it

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<v Speaker 1>leads directly to Edinburgh. It ends at Edinburgh Castle. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are tourist attractions all over this mile. There are shops,

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<v Speaker 1>there are restaurants, there are bars. It's where you go

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<v Speaker 1>to get the Edinburgh experience. And one thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say about the Royal Mile is it's very much

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<v Speaker 1>a tourist it's there, it's you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>how do I say this. It's a tourist attraction. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to be clear here. It is an ancient,

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<v Speaker 1>historic mile. I mean, you know, it's not something a

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<v Speaker 1>it's not simply some row of shops that actually has

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<v Speaker 1>historic significance to it, it's it's very very old. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like a tourist trap. It doesn't feel chintzy

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. There are chintzy gift shops where you can

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<v Speaker 1>buy cheap ass kilts and tetels and magnets, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't think they were as aggressive as in Paris, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have and.

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<v Speaker 1>There are also places in any city actually, but in

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<v Speaker 1>any European city where you know, you get into a

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<v Speaker 1>tourist area and it's just shitty stores and bad restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not that. The Royal Mile is the

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<v Speaker 1>real deal. You will get a real slice of Edinburgh,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the Edinburgh. But at the same time you're

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<v Speaker 1>you were you also get all your needs as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a tourists met. You know, you can buy your souvenirs,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have your hagus, you can stop and have

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<v Speaker 1>a beer. Saint Giles Cathedral is right there, just stunning.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at the pictures of Saint Giles Cathedral

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday because Lorenzo uploaded the five thousand pictures that he

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<v Speaker 1>took on his anyway, I was looking at those pictures

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<v Speaker 1>and I was really blown away by how beautiful the

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<v Speaker 1>went there on our first day, we met up with

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<v Speaker 1>my siblings to go to that church, and uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>were up for like thirty sees.

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<v Speaker 2>We just dropped our box, so yeah, we dropped our bags.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't check any yet, and then we just went

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<v Speaker 2>out for a walk. Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I barely remember that. I'm looking at the pictures and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I barely remember going to this church anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also where the bagpipers come out and play in

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<v Speaker 1>their full Scottish you know regalia and the kilts and

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<v Speaker 1>the hats and everything. And Lorenzo took his picture next

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<v Speaker 1>to one, and my brother took his picture next to

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<v Speaker 1>a much hotter one. We're all looking for the hot

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<v Speaker 1>one anyway. Why don't you explain what Mary King's Closes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of the tourist attractions on the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>Mile and a close. They're all over Edinburgh. They're historically significant.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to be reductive about it. It's an alleyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're very elaborate alleyways in between buildings right on

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<v Speaker 1>multiple levels. They like there are labyrinths involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're you know, ways to get from one part

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<v Speaker 2>of the city to the next, and they're beautiful. I

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<v Speaker 2>meant lots of steps, lots of step, yes, lots of steps.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of that on Edinburgh, so

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<v Speaker 2>you have to get used to it or walk very slow.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, the most famous one, i'd say is the

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<v Speaker 2>real Mary King's Clothes, which they have a tour they open.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget when they opened for the public. It was

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<v Speaker 2>closed for a long time and then they open for

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<v Speaker 2>the public, you know, for tourists, and they have a tour.

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<v Speaker 2>The real Americans closed. It's basically a it dates to

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<v Speaker 2>like the seventeenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seventeenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty much a It's a close that is located

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<v Speaker 2>under the Edinburgh City Chambers.

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<v Speaker 1>They built the City Chambers over this close and they

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<v Speaker 1>built the City Chambers in like the eighteen hundreds or

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<v Speaker 1>the yeah, the late like the late Victorian era. But

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<v Speaker 1>for two hundred years prior to that, it was essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a tenement or an apartment building. There were it was

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<v Speaker 1>on multiple levels. You went down an alleyway, but then

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<v Speaker 1>this alleyway branched off and went in right it turns

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<v Speaker 1>into an elaborate hidden city and it was six floors

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<v Speaker 1>of businesses and merchants and you know, we went through

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<v Speaker 1>the whole tour. And part of the reason we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this is because it's been what little that is

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<v Speaker 1>left of that close, because a lot of it was

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<v Speaker 1>built over, they have maintained as in its original form,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can go toward it. And it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things where they have people in period costumes who

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<v Speaker 1>pretend to be you know, I was. It was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I died in eighteen fifty whatever, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hate that stuff. But she was good, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating because you start at the lower level and it's

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<v Speaker 1>where the rats and the poor people and the plague is,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you move up very and then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>middle class level, which is literally a middle class, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's an upper level where you know, merchants live

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<v Speaker 1>and you get to go up. Mary Kane was a

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<v Speaker 1>early seventeen hundreds, and the close was named after her,

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<v Speaker 1>and go ahead, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The clothes was named after her, you know, many years later,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's pretty much her view of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So you get this this guide dressed like her, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's as you know, I'm Mary, I was born and blah,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. And I usually hate that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I really do. I just don't like it. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>my thing. Not saying, you know some people like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have to say, in this case was very

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<v Speaker 2>necessary because you needed guidance.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to know you were looking at now.

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<v Speaker 2>You had no idea what you're going down to or

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<v Speaker 2>up to, and you needed someone to tell you exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what those rooms were and explain everything. Show the walls,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's so dark and cold downstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Really hard to picture how people lived there. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating because I've never heard of closes before going

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<v Speaker 1>to Edinburgh. I didn't know they existed, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know I didn't know people ever lived that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you go down to the you know, lowest

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<v Speaker 2>level where the very poor people lived, she showed rooms

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<v Speaker 2>that like tiny, like bathroom size rooms that where sixteen twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen people lived. Yeah, I died and died with no light,

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing, So it was very interesting. It's so dark

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<v Speaker 2>where you go that she actually has a flashlight. The

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<v Speaker 2>guide has a flash light and she shows you things

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<v Speaker 2>on the walls, you know, everywhere. I highly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a very interesting part of the history. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>and and it gives you a very interesting perspective of things.

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<v Speaker 2>How things were, you know back then?

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<v Speaker 1>In anything else in Edinburgh that you wanted to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about Dean's Village. Did Dean Village?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The only thing I say is there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful things. Scott Monument is gorgeous, all these things that

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<v Speaker 2>you everything is absolute as you see online, absolutely beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I highly recommend that almost killed me

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<v Speaker 2>is that you go to the Ross Fountain to see

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<v Speaker 2>the castle from the ross Fountain point of view. We

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<v Speaker 2>were walking around the museum, the National Gallery and so

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<v Speaker 2>and I decided to go. I thought it was very

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<v Speaker 2>close and it was a very very hot day. Tom

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<v Speaker 2>said no, I'll stay here, and I went. I almost

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<v Speaker 2>died because it was so hot. But just go look

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<v Speaker 2>at the pictures on Instagram on our Instagram account. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the most beautiful view of the castle from the

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<v Speaker 2>Ross Field.

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<v Speaker 1>The only other thing I'll mention is the Witchery, where

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<v Speaker 1>we went to dinner for our final night in Edinburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a pretty famous restaurant. It's as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was impressive that Lorenzo found a restaurant where I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like anything on the menu because I am not

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<v Speaker 1>a picky eater at all. But we got there and listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very gothic on the inside. Lorenzo has pictures. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want the experience, go for that. But I agreed

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<v Speaker 1>with what a lot of online reviewers said was that

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<v Speaker 1>the food was nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, nothing directly, but it's okay. The food is not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>My fish, it's not bad, but the food is not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what happened. I'm usually the picky one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy's always the one having to, you know, be concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about if they have what I what I can eat

418
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<v Speaker 2>every single time you go to a restaurant. So I

419
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<v Speaker 2>thought they were going to have something for him. So,

420
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just looked at the manuals like, all right,

421
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I'll have this fish done. Didn't even occur to me

422
00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>that that wasn't something that tom was gonna eat because

423
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to eat seafood.

424
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<v Speaker 1>That we had a lot of seafood. And also there's

425
00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the seafood on that menu was very

426
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<v Speaker 1>much of the fish in cream, a variety of seafood,

427
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<v Speaker 1>which is not my thing.

428
00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:21.839
<v Speaker 2>So the restaurant has two parts what they call the

429
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.000
<v Speaker 2>old building, the old room and then the garden. We

430
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>ate in the old room. I'm not saying it correctly,

431
00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.359
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, it's the old part of the restaurant, which

432
00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.960
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely gorgeous. Drop that gorgeous. It's so dark with candles,

433
00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.319
<v Speaker 2>candle light, you know, it's just beautiful.

434
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very moody, very very.

435
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Medieval, kind of like kind of looking. But always the

436
00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.720
<v Speaker 2>food was okay, service was very good. The aw waiters

437
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>were very polite, very friendly. Just the food was okay.

438
00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.799
<v Speaker 2>But if you want the experience go, I highly recommend it.

439
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<v Speaker 2>It's not that expensive.

440
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<v Speaker 1>All right, real quick, because we haven't even gotten to

441
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<v Speaker 1>the topic like this week's guest yet. What do you

442
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<v Speaker 1>want to say about Donegal town where we spent a

443
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<v Speaker 1>few days.

444
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:06.880
<v Speaker 2>We wanted to go again. We got invited to a

445
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>wedding again and I said, of course, because you know,

446
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.839
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to go to Ireland again. This time the

447
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.720
<v Speaker 2>wedding was in a different part of the country Donegal

448
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>last time was around no not Goalwie. It was somewhere

449
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<v Speaker 2>in between. Tommy Cavin, Yes, but we ended up going

450
00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:23.519
<v Speaker 2>to go. We took the Boss Tour, but this time

451
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the wedding was in Donegal and we wanted to go.

452
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<v Speaker 2>So we landed in Dublin from Edinburgh and we drove

453
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<v Speaker 2>to Donegal and so we made a quick stop at Mallingah,

454
00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>which is a.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Little town in the west of Ireland where my mother's

456
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<v Speaker 1>family is from. And years ago, so my mother's great

457
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:54.200
<v Speaker 1>great great great grandfather I think, was married to a

458
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 1>woman and they had thirteen children, because of course they

459
00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:01.200
<v Speaker 1>did Ireland in the eighteen sixties and typically were people

460
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 1>in Ireland who have thirteen children. He had trouble feeding them,

461
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and this was during the famine, and he stole a

462
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>neighbor's sheep to feed his family and he was arrested

463
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.559
<v Speaker 1>her and he was sent to a work camp in Australia.

464
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<v Speaker 1>It's very Irish diaspora story. There's a million people who

465
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<v Speaker 1>have stories like this in their family. And she got

466
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<v Speaker 1>on a boat with her thirteen kids and came to

467
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<v Speaker 1>New York. So my mother always you know, she had

468
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<v Speaker 1>done my father had actually done research on her family

469
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and everything. Pardon me, I am battling my post vacation cold. Anyway,

470
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<v Speaker 1>So my parents went to Mullingar sometime in the nineteen

471
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<v Speaker 1>nineties and my father had done the research. My brother

472
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:51.519
<v Speaker 1>in law, Sean had also done a lot of research.

473
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>He's an archivist, and they knew the family history. I

474
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think my mother grew up hearing the story about

475
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 1>him stealing the sheep. I think that was something that

476
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 1>was Yes, it was uncovered in this research that my

477
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>father and my brother in law did. So anyway, they

478
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:11.559
<v Speaker 1>go to Moulangar, this is thirty years ago, and they're

479
00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>in a pub as one does when they're in Ireland,

480
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're talking to the locals as one does, and

481
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 1>someone asks or she mentions that her family is from

482
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<v Speaker 1>that area, and she's the person they were talking to.

483
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:28.279
<v Speaker 1>It was the bartender actually said, oh, what's the family name,

484
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 1>and she said tore Me and he said, oh, the

485
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.960
<v Speaker 1>sheep stealers. So that sort of became legend in our

486
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.799
<v Speaker 1>family that, you know, her family was legendary for stealing

487
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>sheep in this small town in the west of Ireland. Anyway,

488
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it was very charming, Like a lot of these small

489
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:49.079
<v Speaker 1>towns in Ireland, they don't overly pretty it up for now.

490
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>They that, but it's still innately charming, which I love

491
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:54.519
<v Speaker 1>because I do. It reminded me of like an old

492
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>beach town. Yes that's what it felt like. But yeah,

493
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>afternoon there we went to the Carvery Buffet which was

494
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 1>on weekend afternoons and just had lunch there with all

495
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the locals.

496
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 2>It was phenomenal. And then we you know, we moved

497
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<v Speaker 2>on to Donegal, which we spent a great time to

498
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>have a beautiful castle there that we had.

499
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much the whole thing all to ourselves, to.

500
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Ourselves because we we went very early in the morning.

501
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, we were there for the wedding, so

502
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:25.200
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have a lot of time to do a

503
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of things, but I tried my best. So we

504
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>took a bus to a town nearby which they claim

505
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>is the oldest town in Ireland called what is it?

506
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, god, I can't remember now, sham Bell

507
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and shan and thank you. Charming town.

508
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Very nice again, one of those rundown towns, but just

509
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 1>very very charming, lots of old buildings and just very

510
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, you want to go to places that aren't

511
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 1>necessarily touristy to just sort of get a sense of,

512
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, how people live, where people live and I

513
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed in there. It was a really really charming town.

514
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 1>And shout out to the mystery lesbian who found us

515
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>in the church yard. We you know, as so many

516
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of these towns have, there's one very large church looking

517
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>over the town and we decided to go look at

518
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.599
<v Speaker 1>it because it was an old church. That's Bally again,

519
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>bally Shannon, yes, and the you know, bally Shannon and

520
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Donegal are very close to the Northern ire They're part

521
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 1>of the Republic, but they're close to Northern Ireland, which

522
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>means there is a heavy Protestant uhluence influence there. So

523
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the church is in the area and that is something

524
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't used to because I haven't been to Northern Ireland.

525
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.359
<v Speaker 1>The churches in the area were not Catholic, they were

526
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Church of Ireland anyway, so this was a Church of

527
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Ireland church had a very very old UH cemetery and

528
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>we were walking around the cemetery. Town again, just the

529
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.799
<v Speaker 1>two of us, just a two of us, and this

530
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>is not a touristy town, so there aren't a lot

531
00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of people there, aren't. There weren't any people there. She

532
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>saw she was in the churchyard as well, and I mean,

533
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe I shouldn't make assumptions, but my I spoke to

534
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 1>my gay brother and his husband who were there that weekend,

535
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 1>and we described this woman and they were like, oh, no,

536
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>she was a lesbian. She had a pair of jords

537
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>on and a flannel shirt, and she had a butch haircut.

538
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>The way she looked at us and she was grace well,

539
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>and I want to say, yeah, yeah, when we have

540
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 1>traveled in the pit that has happened. That happens with

541
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>gay people. Sometimes you see each other in a setting

542
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.079
<v Speaker 1>where there are clearly no other gay people, and you

543
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.559
<v Speaker 1>sort of you either know or you So anyway, she

544
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 1>came up to us, and she was Irish and she

545
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.599
<v Speaker 1>came up and she said are you Are you here visiting?

546
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 1>And she said it with a certain sense of wonder

547
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 1>because it really isn't the kind of town you visit.

548
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And well he said yes, And she said, have you

549
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>seen the famine mound? And I said no, And so

550
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>she said, let me show you, and she walked us

551
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>around to the back of the church. She wasn't a local,

552
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 1>she was actually visiting for the day as well. She

553
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 1>said her mother was from there. But she showed it

554
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 1>to us, and that you know, famine melms exist in

555
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>all over Ireland, but I'd never actually had one pointed

556
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 1>out to me. And it was, you know, a mass grave.

557
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>During the famine, they just would scoop up all the

558
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Catholics and dump them in a mass grave behind their

559
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>beautiful church, English church. And she she relayed the whole

560
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.319
<v Speaker 1>story to us in very bitter tones, and I was like, yes,

561
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I hear you.

562
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Sister, and the and sadly, you can't do much about it.

563
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:25.839
<v Speaker 2>It's not like you can clean it up.

564
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 1>And it's not a hill.

565
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just a hill.

566
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>They put a rock on top of it, but there's

567
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 1>no monument, there's no nothing. And these are not uncommon.

568
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>You can find these in Irish towns anyway.

569
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>So it added some interesting, you know, perspective, and it

570
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 2>was nice that she pointed out. We thanked her very

571
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 2>much and anyway, so then, uh, after the wedding, we

572
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 2>all went back to Dublin. The rest of the family

573
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 2>flew back to Philadelphia, but we decided to stay a

574
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>few more days because we wanted to spend you know

575
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 2>a few more days in Doubling. And I love Doubling.

576
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.119
<v Speaker 2>I think I love it.

577
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I think we had a lovely time there.

578
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 2>We had a lovely time there, and we went to

579
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the Bleni Museum for the first time. We did things

580
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>that we hadn't done on our first trip because our

581
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.079
<v Speaker 2>first trip we pretty much covered everything. But this time

582
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 2>we were like, all right, let's just go to places

583
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>we haven't been before. The Bleni Museum. I highly recommend it.

584
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the things we did.

585
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Doublenia saying it so quickly. Double Nia Museum is the

586
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Viking Museum.

587
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Right next to the christ Church, which is my favorite

588
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>church in Dublin. Anyway, we had a wonderful time, wonderful time.

589
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank the people of Ireland and Scotland.

590
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 2>The friendliest people have ever met my life. They're so sweet,

591
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 2>so nice, so friendly, at least to us again, and

592
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 2>we had a wonderful time.

593
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree. All right, let's take another break and

594
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>when we come back. Here's what we're going to talk about.

595
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 1>We're going to quickly run through the Emmy nominations because

596
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 1>we're very behind on that. Then we're I'm sorry, I'm

597
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 1>rasping into this my microphone and I apologize, uh, And

598
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>then we're doing little House on the Prairie. Yes, we

599
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 1>actually watched it, and we have opinions. And then how's

600
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.079
<v Speaker 1>of the Dragon House of the Dragon? Correct, we'll be

601
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>right back where back? And now we're going to jump

602
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>right into the Emmy nominations, which came out while we

603
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 1>were on vacation, and we promise you we were going

604
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>to have thoughts when we record their next podcast. So

605
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 1>here we go. First up, I'm thrill but Wire those

606
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 1>By got a historic number of nominations, and I hope

607
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>everybody sweeps.

608
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Now we'll talk about it.

609
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, what else that I'm not particularly interested in snubs,

610
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 1>although I am kind of happy that someone like Jeremy

611
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Allen White did not get nominated for the Bear because

612
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 1>that show was wildly over nominated. But you know, you're

613
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>just I also think it's good that Stranger Things did

614
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 1>not get any nominations because honestly, that final season sucked.

615
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I agree, but we had like what to k other

616
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>day age as usual, the you know, hacks and uh

617
00:31:58.880 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>snow horses.

618
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Pit of course, the pit, the pit, the pit, hacks, hacks, hacks.

619
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<v Speaker 1>I really don't want hacks to win anything. And I

620
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 1>know you must be furious that Meganstalter was nominated.

621
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm just annoyed that every pretty much everybody,

622
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, and they were annoyed that that, I forget

623
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 2>her name. The other actress who part of the office

624
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't get nominated because.

625
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Jabby Hoffman, like, are you kidding me? I didn't think

626
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 1>any of those people deserve All right, let's steal a few.

627
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Let's run through some of these. The nominations for Drama Series,

628
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>The Diplomatic, Gilded Age, and Night of the Seven Kingdoms, Paradise,

629
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>The Pit, Floribus, Slow Horses, Your Friends and Neighbors.

630
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Your friends and neighbors really right.

631
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 1>The criticallly like it. I'd love love to see Slow

632
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Horses get it because this show is I mean, I

633
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 1>think it's the critics love it, and I think it

634
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>has its audience, but it doesn't get the kind of

635
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>no that's juice that so many other shows get. I

636
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>understand why The Pit is nominated so much. It really

637
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 1>is an excellent show, much like Hacks was an excellent show.

638
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>But the problem with the Emmys is they over nominated.

639
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>They just overdo it. But I would not suggest that

640
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't deserve this nomination.

641
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a fine line, like you stop nominating them because

642
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 2>you know you want to nominate other people, you know,

643
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 2>even though they did a good job. You know, it's

644
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a tricky situation. But at the same time, it's like,

645
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how many times you know these people are

646
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna get nominated.

647
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised the Guilded Age got nominated. I really don't

648
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's on the same level as some of these

649
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>other shows. I'm also pleasantly surprised that A Night of

650
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the Seven Kingdoms was nominated, and happy to see the

651
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>sloribis there. Honestly, there's no one in this group that

652
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I would be mad if they well, I know, actually

653
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>there's no one in this group I would be mad

654
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>if they want. If I had to pick which one

655
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to win, I honestly, even though I love

656
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Pluribus and I love A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms,

657
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I would probably pick slow Horses that's shown deserves some recognition.

658
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 2>In terms of deserving Yes, I see it's a little.

659
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Horses, but I can't make a prediction as who as

660
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>to who's I mean, I think the pit is probably

661
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>the most likely. All Right, drama lead actress Cary kuon

662
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the guilded Age Chase, Infinity, The Testaments. That's actually a

663
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>little surprising, but she was in the Best Picture Winner

664
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 1>last year. So that's what happens is with the Oscars,

665
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>you get a gloss on you and it's it starts

666
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>moving on to your next project. I mean, that's why

667
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 1>it's a big deal when people get nominated or when

668
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>people are in nominated films. It's very good for their career.

669
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 2>That's why they do the Red Carpet, they do all

670
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. Yeah, they get exposure.

671
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.760
<v Speaker 1>All right. Carry kuon The Guildeage Chase, Infinity, The Testaments,

672
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Carrie Russell, The Diplomat, Rayes Seahorn, Ploribus, Zendeia Euphoria. Why

673
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>do I feel like this is going to Zendaiya. Yeah,

674
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>because she's got so much buzz on her. It's the

675
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>final season. They killed off her character, didn't they. Yeah,

676
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:03.599
<v Speaker 1>so oh it's probably and they want her to show

677
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 1>up and they want her to bring Tom Holland with her.

678
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, hope Eckett.

679
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Who would I give it to? Well, I haven't seen

680
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>The Testaments. I haven't seen this season of The Diplomat.

681
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I loved ray Seahorn and Plorabas right right. I don't

682
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 1>have a thought here. I think this is actually a

683
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>very limited It doesn't really get into it right now.

684
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I think I haven't watched. I don't like Pluribus, but

685
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I think she deserves it. I mean she's great, she

686
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 2>is great in it, she really is. She's the whole

687
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 2>show pretty much. So yeah, i'd say her my choice,

688
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 2>all right, nots India at all anyway.

689
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 1>Drama lead actor Sterling K. Brown Paradise, Gary Oldman, Slow Horses,

690
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Mark Ruffalo, tesk rufus Sewell The Diplomat, Noah Wiley The Pit. Honestly,

691
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a thought. I would give Gary Oldman

692
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 1>because I like that.

693
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Show, Slow Horses, but I think I haven't.

694
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Seen any of the other ones. I mean I saw

695
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the Pit.

696
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>But The Diplomat is good, but I don't think it

697
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.559
<v Speaker 2>is that great. I think season one was great, but

698
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>then it's all right now, Noah, It's gonna wain of.

699
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Course, probably all right. Drama supporting actress Taylor Deared in

700
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>The Pit, Fiona d'Oro The Pit, Alis and Janny The Diplomat,

701
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Katherine le Nassa The Pit, Sepidei Moaffi The Pit, Julianne Nicholson, Paradise,

702
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Caroline Vidra, Ploribus.

703
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

704
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 1>No, it's gonna be one of the one of the

705
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.679
<v Speaker 1>book girls, of course. All Right. Drama supporting actor The Pit,

706
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 1>The Pit, The Pit, to Bit the Pit. Patrick Billy

707
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>crought up The Morning Show, Sean Hatosi, The Pit, Jaron Howell,

708
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>The Pit, Jack Lowdon Slow Horses, Tom Pelfrey, Task, Carlos,

709
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Manuel Vega, Ploribus. I did love him in Ploribus. He

710
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 1>was really good.

711
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Again, is this a less season of The Pit?

712
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>No?

713
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, Jesus, here we go. I don't know.

714
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I again, I'm not

715
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>up on The Pit. I've watched it, but I I

716
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>haven't watched them. It's not much of the most.

717
00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not my kind of show. I know it's a

718
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.280
<v Speaker 2>great show. I know. I know they do a great job,

719
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.400
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know.

720
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into medical procedurals. I know it's very good.

721
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't need people to tell me that I should

722
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>watch it. I did catch a few episodes. High quality work.

723
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Good luck to all, I agree.

724
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>All Right.

725
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Comedy series Abbot Elementary, The Bear, The Bear, Please Hacks,

726
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Marco's Got Money Troubles, nobody wants its only murders in

727
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the building, Shrinking, Widow's Bay, wid Dose Bay.

728
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if they don't give it to Widow's Bay,

729
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.079
<v Speaker 2>I will scream Hacks.

730
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Baby Now, Widows bake them on. I love Abbot Elementary,

731
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>they love the Bear, but Widows Bay is the most

732
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>inventive show of the year.

733
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Margo's Got Money Troubles.

734
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.519
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't get mad at that one. One.

735
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what I think about the show. I

736
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.079
<v Speaker 2>think it's a great show. They're all very talented. But

737
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 2>all I can see is all I can say is

738
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the actors, the actual actress performing.

739
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 1>That's true. I mean, it's Nicole Kidman, it's El Fanning, It's.

740
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's my Yeah, but I can't focus on the character.

741
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Everything everybody looks like, yeah, a movie star. It's true,

742
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>all right.

743
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Comedy lead actress Quinta Brunson, Abbot Elementary, Aoa deb The Bear,

744
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>El Fanning, Marcus, Got Money Troubles, Lisa Kudra, the Comeback,

745
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Jean Smart Hacks. You know what give us to Lisa Coudro.

746
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I know that character has been it's been two decades

747
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>working on that character. Yeah, and yeah, it deserves the recognition.

748
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>It's really really good work. And it would be nice

749
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.159
<v Speaker 1>to see someone other than Jean Smart win it. She's

750
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>going to win, or Quinta Brunson, She's going to win

751
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Smart again, all right, I would hate that actually, and

752
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I love Jean Smart. She has snagged several many Emmys.

753
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Five I don't think it's that many. Comedy lead actor

754
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Yay Abdlomdine wonder Man, Steve Carell, Rooster, Matthew Reese Widow's Bay,

755
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Jason Siegel Shrinking, Martin Short only murders in the building.

756
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I really don't know how it doesn't go to Matthew. Yes, you,

757
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>he was high, hilarious shows so so so fun.

758
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Yes.

759
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Comedy Supporting actress Dale Dickey Widow's Bay, Hannah Einbinder Hacks,

760
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Jennelle James Abbott, Elementary, Katio Flynn or Kate O'Flynn widows Bay,

761
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Michelle fay for Marcus Cot money Troubles, Megan'stalter Hacks, Jessica

762
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Williams shrinking.

763
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>How on earth can you put h Megan Stalter in

764
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the same case?

765
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Or Dale Dickey and Megan's Yeah, I'm sorry that. Listen.

766
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't get angry about her the way Lorenzo does.

767
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I think she has an appeal. I think she can

768
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 1>be very funny. I think her appeal is more limited

769
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 1>to like front facing camera video, you know, social media video.

770
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>She was very funny in that Millia. You give her

771
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 1>a script and a character to play, and I'm sorry

772
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>she comes off not on the same level as the

773
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 1>other actors, so to put, she's not an actress. Okay,

774
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 1>she's a comic. I don't even mind that performance all

775
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that much, but I do not think that is an

776
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>acting award level performance. And I think it's insulting to

777
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.119
<v Speaker 1>some of the other actors.

778
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Product of social media, and I'll stop at that.

779
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Personally, I think Katie o' flynn should Yeah, I keep

780
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>saying Katie kat o flynn should be get widows, Bet

781
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>should get them. I can't a sentence should win. But

782
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 1>also Dale Dickey should win. I mean that that, you know,

783
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.559
<v Speaker 1>dead baby dead monologue.

784
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Dead baby, dead baby, dead baby. Come on, that was brilliant. Yes,

785
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that was hilarious, hilarious, So I'm happy.

786
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I just don't want Hannah Einbinder or Meganstallter to win this.

787
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 1>I just don't.

788
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I hope it's Kate because every single episode she is phenomenal.

789
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>She is hilarious.

790
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, anyway, Yeah, Comedy supporting actor Coleman Domenico, the four seasons,

791
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Paul w Down's hacks, Harrison Ford's shrinking, Nick Offerman, Marco's

792
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Got Money trouble, Stephen root Widow's Bay, Michael Uri shrinking Tyler,

793
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>James williams Abbot ELAMANSI.

794
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Again, Paul w Down, are you joking? He is not.

795
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.400
<v Speaker 2>He's a big nothing on the show. I'm sorry, he's

796
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>a big nothing on the show.

797
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 1>It's just I don't I'm not mad at those characters.

798
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind them. I just do not think he

799
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>did anything that deserves an Emmy in terms of his acting.

800
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I know he's the show creator and everything, but in

801
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>terms of that performance, I'm like, that's not an performance.

802
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 2>They just pick people like listen. I adore Coleman Domingo.

803
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>But the fourth season is a horrible show.

804
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Apparently the second season was better, better.

805
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 2>But it's a horrible show.

806
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:33.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, so dated we're saying, but let's face it, it's

807
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 1>going to Harrison Ford.

808
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I do oh, oh really, oh yeah, I guess.

809
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, he did win already, didn't that's true. No, he

810
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:42.199
<v Speaker 1>won a Lifetime Achievement Award last year. Yeah, and you

811
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 1>know he's Yeah, he's old. He's old, and he's a legend,

812
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>so they'll.

813
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Probably get it for him.

814
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, I'm scrolling through, scrolling through, I don't

815
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>know limited series lead TV movie lead actress Claire Dane's

816
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 1>The Beast and Me, Sally Field, remarkably bright creatures, Carrie Mulligan, Beef,

817
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Pigeon love Story, Sarah Snook all her fault. I

818
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>have no opinion on any of these.

819
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I think Sarah is gonna win because this love story,

820
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Sarah picion. I have to say, Kerry Mulligan was phenomena in.

821
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Beef was a big question. You don't think it's going

822
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 1>to Sally Field. Maybe, yes, they're going to give it

823
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 1>to Sally Field and Harrison Ford, just so they get

824
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 1>those two legends.

825
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>The Beast in Me was terrible. It wasn't good at all.

826
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Beef, we didn't.

827
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.559
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even finish it. I did not like it

828
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>at all.

829
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't I like the performance, you know, individually.

830
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this season wasn't Great.

831
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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Limited Series TV movie lead actor Rizamed Bait,

832
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Jason Bateman, Bateman, Black Rabbit, Charlie Hannah, Monster, The Ed

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00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Guynes Story, Oscar, Isaac Beef, Matthew Reese, The Beast on

834
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>me again. I don't have a Oscar.

835
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Is actually good. And Charlie he was good. Charlie Hunt

836
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he was good. I didn't like Monster, It's not my

837
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of show, but he was insanely good. Yeah, that's it.

838
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 2>That's that those are my choice. Probably hate it's gonna win.

839
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 1>I think that's gonna wrap it up. We're not going

840
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to get anything like best Reality competition program.

841
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, supporting actress since we did the actor, there's dakotea

842
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>of Fanny. You know you go.

843
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't have it in front of me. Oh, I

844
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.880
<v Speaker 1>thought I Limited Series TV movie, Supporting Actress. We'd actually

845
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't do supporting, but I guess we'll do that. Linda

846
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>CARTERLINIY DT see the reason I haven't seen anything. Linda

847
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Carterolini dt F Saint Louis, Dakota Fanning all her Fault,

848
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Laurie Metcalfe metcalf Monster, The Ed guine Story, Joyce Sunday

849
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>DTF Saint Louis hu Jung Yun Beef, Constant Zemmer love

850
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>story I'm sorry.

851
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Was very brief and and she she was all right.

852
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Linda CARLINI is very funny in DTF Saint Louis. I

853
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>watched the whole thing. Highly recommend it. It's a weird show,

854
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 2>but very good show.

855
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>All right. Limited series TV movie supporting actor Jason Bateman

856
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.960
<v Speaker 1>dt F Saint Louis, Richard Got Halfman, David Harbor dt

857
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 1>F Saint Louis, Richard Jenkins, dt F Saint Louis, Charles Milton, Beef,

858
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.639
<v Speaker 1>nick Offerman, Death by Light, Oh, nick Offerman. I loved

859
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>him in Death by Like Me.

860
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:16.599
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

861
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>He was so good in that.

862
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Again, Jason Bateman was great in DTF Saint Louis. Also

863
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the weirdest show I have watched in a long time.

864
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Half Man, but Richard God again, I don't know how

865
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.440
<v Speaker 2>you pronounce his name is. He's very good at it,

866
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 2>but he's a weird My god, what a weird show. Yeah,

867
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 2>really f stop show. But he was good.

868
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that guy's got to work through his isshes. I

869
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 1>think instead of getting budgets for TV shows anyway that

870
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:49.679
<v Speaker 1>can clude your thoughts on uh this year's Emmy nominations.

871
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Let's jump right into Little House. I have a lot

872
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 1>of things I want to say right which I didn't

873
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 1>think I would. So Netflix has dined a remake of

874
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Little House on the Prairie. I don't feel like I

875
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>need to explain this, but in I knew it was

876
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.320
<v Speaker 1>an iconic, legendary pardon me television series in the nineteen

877
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 1>seventies and nineteen eighties, and Gen X and baby boomers

878
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>have some very very strong feelings about that that show,

879
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 1>those characters. When the show was announced, I was like, Okay,

880
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess. I mean, I'm not opposed to them redoing it.

881
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 1>The old show it debuted over fifty years ago, went

882
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 1>off the air over forty years ago, and it really

883
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>isn't in reruns any I mean that you can find it,

884
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think it's like part of the culture

885
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the way it once was.

886
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Right I Netflick announced and we put it on our site,

887
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.039
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, well, that's kind of exciting Sometimes

888
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a show I like, I don't mind having it redone.

889
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.760
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I will scream if they redo it

890
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>is the sound of music. But that's the only movie no, no,

891
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 2>but anything else, yeah, why not? So I saw we

892
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.079
<v Speaker 2>posted on our site the preview and all that, and

893
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, that looks interesting because what I

894
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 2>like about these remakes is that they have the money

895
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and the technology to do something great. Right, you know,

896
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna look better, it's going to look incredible, and

897
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>the costumes and the people and everything. So I'm I

898
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 2>always I'm always interested. And Netflick gave us the screeners

899
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 2>way back. I can't even remember when. So I watched

900
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.239
<v Speaker 2>them a long time ago. I watched the whole thing

901
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago, and then all of a sudden

902
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 2>we never heard about it anymore. I was like, why

903
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 2>is the Netflix taking so long to drop this? And

904
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I was a little worried. I was like, it's that

905
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 2>because it's not good. They're trying to fix it or something,

906
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>because sometimes that happened. They dropped the screen iss so

907
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that people can watch it and give their opinion and

908
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.519
<v Speaker 2>they go back and fix it. But so I watched

909
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>it a long time ago, and then Tom wanted to

910
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about it on the podcast. I was like, Oh,

911
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 2>let me rewatch the whole thing. And I have to

912
00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>say my second watch, I love the whole thing.

913
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Here's what I want to say. Okay, first off, I

914
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 1>don't have some sort of connection to the old show.

915
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I watched it and when I was a kid. I'm

916
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure I loved it when I was a kid,

917
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 1>but it's not something i've watched in the years since.

918
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 1>In fact, last night I went and I found I

919
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>watched an old episode just so I could have a

920
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>point of comparison to this, because no, I don't have like, oh,

921
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember this one. I remember that. I mean, I

922
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 1>remember the episode where Mary went blind or whatever, but

923
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't really.

924
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I was obsessed with the TV show, and that's my

925
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.079
<v Speaker 2>point of reference. I love those characters, loved everything about it.

926
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean I did, but I don't have strong You

927
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>haven't watched that show in forty years.

928
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Since, but I watched all the time, many times.

929
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>So I still remember my grandmother, who lived with us

930
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, saying that she would have

931
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>kicked missus Olsen in the face. And my grandmother was

932
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 1>not someone who spoke that way, but she has hate

933
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that family and anyway, so when I and also, and

934
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>this might seem unusual for a boy for a man,

935
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>but I read all the books and the reason I

936
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>read all the books is because someone bought my one

937
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 1>of my sisters a box set.

938
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 2>And how many books, it's like, I don't know, I don't.

939
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Know, seven or eight, and I was probably too old

940
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>for them. I think these were bought for my younger sisters.

941
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.519
<v Speaker 1>But I was curious and no one was reading them,

942
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.199
<v Speaker 1>and I picked up the one about her husband the

943
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.960
<v Speaker 1>first before I picked up the other books. I think

944
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like the third book in the series, and it's

945
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.280
<v Speaker 1>about him growing up as a little boy on a farm.

946
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>So to me, you know, that was my entry into it,

947
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 1>and it was enjoyable, and I thought, all right, I'll

948
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:41.559
<v Speaker 1>read the rest of them, and I did. I read

949
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the entire series. Now again, I don't have strong memories

950
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 1>of the series, the book series. I remembered tearing through

951
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>them and finding them interesting enough, and it was a

952
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 1>nice way to compare what you to what you saw

953
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 1>on the TV show. I don't remember. Again, I was

954
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.280
<v Speaker 1>still young. I was no more than a young teenager.

955
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember having any revelation like, boy, these books

956
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>are kind of racist or anything like that. That was

957
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>something I had to learned about much later that that,

958
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, Laura Ingles Wilder and her daughter Rose Wilder Lane,

959
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 1>who basically co wrote these books. First off, they had

960
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 1>very problematic politics. They were both libertarians, they were both

961
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 1>opposed to everything. Yeah, and part of the books, the

962
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 1>books were written partially in response to that. There was

963
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a political component to how those books were written, and

964
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 1>that component is that they largely they didn't completely fictionalize

965
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 1>these accounts, but they cleaned them up, and they they

966
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 1>wanted to tell a specific story of heart of family

967
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 1>overcoming hardship all on its own without anybody's help a little,

968
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and also scary Indians and scary black people.

969
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Right. My understanding is that the first season of on Netflix,

970
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 2>it's based on the third book because Laura was too

971
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>young in the first and the second book, and they

972
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 2>wanted to have her a little older. That's my understanding.

973
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I could be wrong. So there are eight books I

974
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>just checked. Maybe because it just obviously it's already renewed

975
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>for second season, maybe they'll do flashbacks and go back

976
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>to the first and the second book.

977
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, and so we'll say, why don't we take a

978
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 1>short break and we'll come back and get into the

979
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 1>actual series and how we feel about it. We'll be

980
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.599
<v Speaker 1>right back. We're back talking about Little House on the Prairie.

981
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't go into this. I didn't go into

982
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>this with much of anything. I didn't have a lot

983
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 1>of thoughts about it, even though yes, I had a

984
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.599
<v Speaker 1>connection to the old TV show, I read the old books,

985
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 1>but this was very, very long a time ago, and

986
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I would not count either one of those as formative

987
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.880
<v Speaker 1>experiences for me. There are TV shows from my childhood

988
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:04.280
<v Speaker 1>that are loom large in my memory, but Little House

989
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>is simply not one of them. I I watched it,

990
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody watched it, but I just don't have a lot,

991
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>see I. I didn't come into it with, well, they

992
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 1>better do this and they better do that.

993
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was one of my favorite shows because I

994
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 2>also like western So the whole thing was, you know,

995
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 2>my thing. When I when Netflix announced the show, I

996
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>was I was curious. I was like, all right, uh,

997
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.280
<v Speaker 2>how how are they going to do these stories without

998
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 2>sounding to racist? Or are they going to approach this

999
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you know or the you know, how are they going

1000
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>to approach all these hot topics and the cast and

1001
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 2>all that, you know, how are they going to do it?

1002
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 2>So I was curious they couldn't just do the old

1003
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>version anymore.

1004
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 1>So here's my thing. It's not bad. Uh, It's a

1005
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 1>perfectly enjoyable family oriented drama. Uh, it's it's probably every

1006
00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 1>once in a while I would get all up about

1007
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.599
<v Speaker 1>some thing on the show, and then I realized I

1008
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.840
<v Speaker 1>would pull back and go, you know, it really is

1009
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>meant for kids, Like this is a family drama. They

1010
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>are the lead character as a little girl. She is

1011
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the entry character, the identification character. So yes, this show

1012
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 1>is in many ways meant for kids. So I have

1013
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 1>some complaints and criticism about it, but ultimately I would

1014
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 1>wind up describing a very different show. Here's my point.

1015
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.159
<v Speaker 1>It's very pretty, and that is my main issue with

1016
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 1>it is that it is so pretty. And I did

1017
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I went back to look at the old TV show

1018
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 1>because I was like, am I misremembering it? And the

1019
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 1>old TV show was fairly pretty as well. It was

1020
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.679
<v Speaker 1>a very pretty vide. And when I say pretty, I

1021
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:51.679
<v Speaker 1>mean there's a scene where thereby a creek the little

1022
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.880
<v Speaker 1>girls and they're in white dresses with flower crowns, and

1023
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, Okay, everyone was filthy back then, Okay

1024
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 1>in that they were not, And I'm not suggesting they

1025
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 1>were rolling around in their filth. I mean, people wore

1026
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>clean clothes, people showered, you know, they didn't actually, but

1027
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:18.519
<v Speaker 1>it's all white teeth and clean fingernails and shiny hair.

1028
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 1>And it was like that on the seventies TV show

1029
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 1>as well. So this is not a new complaint. But

1030
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the show is very pretty. I mean, at one point

1031
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 1>there's like tablecloths and flowers in vases, and I'm like,

1032
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>these are pioneer people. They are living a subsistence level existence.

1033
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>There was a point in the first four or five

1034
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 1>episodes where I was and there's only eight episodes where

1035
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, hell are these people eating? What

1036
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.519
<v Speaker 1>are they eating? Because they're not doing anything to put

1037
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 1>again food. And that would be a family of four

1038
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.119
<v Speaker 1>on the prairie in eighteen seventy whatever every single day

1039
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>would be at to figure out what you're gonna eat

1040
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 1>that day, because you have to realize that the setup

1041
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.880
<v Speaker 1>for there. They arrive in Independence, Kansas, they have nothing.

1042
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>They don't even have a house. They have a wagon

1043
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.639
<v Speaker 1>with whatever they took with them. But he has to

1044
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 1>build a house and they have to figure out a subsistence,

1045
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, some and the question of what they're eating.

1046
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Isn't even answered until like the sixth or seventh episode,

1047
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 1>where suddenly a crop of corn springs up next to

1048
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.159
<v Speaker 1>the house. We never saw him plant a single seed

1049
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to you know, plow a field. Nothing. That work is

1050
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 1>backbreaking and it requires a team of people. But somehow

1051
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.679
<v Speaker 1>he did that on all on his own in between episodes. Similarly,

1052
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 1>and this was actually when I enjoyed the series. I

1053
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 1>truly did, and I I don't think it's foolish to

1054
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 1>expect a certain level of realism as to the hardship

1055
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 1>of that life, even for a family drama for children.

1056
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I think you can get into a little bit more

1057
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of just how hard. There was a snow storm at

1058
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>one point, and they were all excited about the snow,

1059
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.599
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, no, no, these people would be freezing.

1060
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 2>They would worry about whether they were.

1061
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Going to survive it. There's no insulation, there's no heater.

1062
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think there was a fireplace in that cabin.

1063
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 1>They had like a stove. Oh no, wait, they did

1064
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 1>have a fireplace. Yes, he built that whole cabin with

1065
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>him and this other guy. And that's the other thing.

1066
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.239
<v Speaker 1>And this is the problem when you have stories with

1067
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.320
<v Speaker 1>children in them, and you want that story to take

1068
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 1>place over a long period of time. I mean they

1069
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 1>showed up, He built a house, she took an entire

1070
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>pregnancy to term, had a baby, They grew an entire crop,

1071
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and those little girls did not age a day. They

1072
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.840
<v Speaker 1>looked exactly the same as they did in the first episode.

1073
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, it's got to be a year and

1074
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 1>a half later they would And that's asking for a

1075
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.039
<v Speaker 1>different show. I'm asking for a show where they show

1076
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:59.360
<v Speaker 1>dirty fingernails, where they show people freezing to death, where

1077
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 1>they show people wondering where they're gonna eat next. See

1078
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.039
<v Speaker 1>that's what happened to her men, and where they recast

1079
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 1>the young actresses, you know, so to show that time

1080
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 1>has pit. But that's not what they're going to do.

1081
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.960
<v Speaker 1>And I can make peace with that. But the Christmas

1082
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:18.440
<v Speaker 1>episode was the episode where Caroline gives birth, and I

1083
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, come the f on, just a couple you know,

1084
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.559
<v Speaker 1>she breathes, She's not even a scene of her pushing,

1085
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing. She's just like, I'm nervous, my sisters aren't here.

1086
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I've never done this before. And then you hear baby crying,

1087
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and all I could think not to be brutal here

1088
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 1>because they're in a one room cabin in the snow,

1089
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like, okay, that that bed would be messy.

1090
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 1>And i mean there's like a little white curtain and

1091
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:52.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that curtain would be splashed. Are you kidding me?

1092
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 2>See, that's what happens when you watch a show with

1093
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 2>someone who went to film school.

1094
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like, come on, she's a woman on the prayer,

1095
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a pioneer woman giving birth. You cannot even kids can

1096
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.679
<v Speaker 1>handle that, you know what. That would be a hard situation.

1097
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.119
<v Speaker 1>That would be a bad situation. Didn't even have to

1098
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.719
<v Speaker 1>see it. But oh and that was the other thing.

1099
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Because it was Christmas Day, of course a bunch of

1100
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>people showed up. Because I'll get into this that they

1101
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 1>treat the prairie like it's suburban New Jersey or something

1102
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.760
<v Speaker 1>like that. At one point, the the little girl, good Eagle,

1103
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 1>the Native American girl, she's going into town for something

1104
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and the mother is like, okay, i'll pick you up later,

1105
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:38.079
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, an Indigenous woman in eighteen seventy would

1106
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.559
<v Speaker 1>never have uttered that sentence. It's just not how i'll

1107
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 1>pick you up? What in her car.

1108
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

1109
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So at Christmas Day, everybody shows up near hours

1110
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 1>after Caroline gave birth, and she is walking around, she's

1111
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:57.519
<v Speaker 1>holding a dinner, she's sitting at a table. I'm like,

1112
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that woman would not have left bed for like three days,

1113
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.000
<v Speaker 1>are you kidding me? And she would not have had

1114
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:06.079
<v Speaker 1>any visitors. People are coming in from a snowstorm to

1115
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.719
<v Speaker 1>a newborn baby. And I realized that, you know, they

1116
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't know things about germs and shit like that, but

1117
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:15.760
<v Speaker 1>come on, and that's when they lose I told you

1118
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 1>I le to say about this show, and that's when

1119
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:21.280
<v Speaker 1>they lose me. I'm like, I know it's a fantasy.

1120
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I know it has to be prettified for people. I

1121
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:29.960
<v Speaker 1>get it, But there you don't. I mean, you could

1122
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 1>at least acknowledge that giving birth in that situation is

1123
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>extremely dangerous and messy. You don't have to show everything

1124
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 1>but to completely gloss over it. Similarly, like, I realize

1125
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.639
<v Speaker 1>we have to go with a fantasy here, and somehow

1126
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 1>he's feeding his family of four, but we need to

1127
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 1>see him planting. We need to see him doing some

1128
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 1>of that farming work, because even a city boy like

1129
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 1>me knows that is backbreaking work. That would take months, Like,

1130
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that off camera. You have to acknowledge it, right.

1131
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>There was a scene, there was an episode where the

1132
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>whole family had fever, and you know, you're watching this

1133
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 1>episode and pardon me, I do want to acknowledge that

1134
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.639
<v Speaker 1>the show does acknowledge that there's hardship here. You know,

1135
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.559
<v Speaker 1>people get exposed to things. There's danger, there's wolves, and

1136
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, all kinds of stuff. There's that the

1137
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 1>guy goes down to the bottom the well and he

1138
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:31.880
<v Speaker 1>almost dies.

1139
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 2>But it's dealt with very quickly.

1140
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 1>It's all dealt with very quickly, very clean, it is.

1141
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 1>And the one where they all had the fever, I'm

1142
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 1>watching it and I'm thinking, well, no one in this

1143
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 1>cabin is going to die because they're all the they're

1144
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the Ingles family. I know they're going to live. So

1145
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.960
<v Speaker 1>all the drama goes out of that scene. And it

1146
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.320
<v Speaker 1>made me realize, you know, and I think the old

1147
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.880
<v Speaker 1>show did this. You can't kill off the Ingles family.

1148
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.599
<v Speaker 1>You can't put them through too too much because they

1149
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:03.320
<v Speaker 1>are the lead characters. Yes, Mary goes blind and I

1150
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.400
<v Speaker 1>think Caroline loses a baby or whatever, but you can't

1151
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 1>have them go through too much because they're the leads.

1152
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 1>So in that instance, what you do, and like I said,

1153
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I think the old show did this is you put

1154
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 1>other characters through shit to show how bad things could get.

1155
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:25.639
<v Speaker 1>And that was the thing with that fever episode. I

1156
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, I need to see a cabin

1157
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.079
<v Speaker 1>of dead people, right so that now I'm worried that

1158
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 1>this will happen to the Ingles, like they had that

1159
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 1>doctor going around and like they could have just had

1160
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a scene where he comes upon a family and they

1161
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 1>all died, and then everything that's happening and the Ingles

1162
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:45.000
<v Speaker 1>family cabin becomes that much more. And that's the thing.

1163
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.440
<v Speaker 1>The show never wants to get to that point. It

1164
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.159
<v Speaker 1>brings certain things up, but it never really engages with him.

1165
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree.

1166
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry everyone. So here's where we bring up the

1167
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:04.280
<v Speaker 1>indigenous question. The way the show, you know, focused on

1168
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the Indigenous people, the way I mean the old show

1169
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 1>never did. The books were racist as hells during the Indigenous.

1170
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember did they have did they have a

1171
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.039
<v Speaker 2>black people in in the on the TV series? I

1172
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 2>don't remember that.

1173
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes they did. True, and actually doctor Tanner is a

1174
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>real character from the books. There was a black doctor

1175
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:22.679
<v Speaker 1>in an Independence.

1176
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I see. I never read the books, but that's interesting.

1177
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:26.559
<v Speaker 1>I think.

1178
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting to introduce those characters.

1179
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it's admirable. I think it's the correct choice.

1180
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I think they there's no way to write that all

1181
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.519
<v Speaker 1>like all the white people in Independence are stealing land

1182
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:44.079
<v Speaker 1>from the Osage, and right, the original TV series as

1183
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.519
<v Speaker 1>well as the books, never really acknowledged that. But this series,

1184
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the entire season is that's the main question is how

1185
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:54.679
<v Speaker 1>are we going to live with these people? And do

1186
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.400
<v Speaker 1>we even have the right to live here? And are

1187
01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:59.559
<v Speaker 1>they going to stay or is the government going to

1188
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:03.079
<v Speaker 1>force them out? So and I'm glad the show wrestled

1189
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 1>with these things, but in the end only one thing

1190
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>could happen, which is that the Osage all get forced out.

1191
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:11.599
<v Speaker 1>And you have to somehow do that in a way

1192
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't make the Engles family look like monsters, right,

1193
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.480
<v Speaker 1>And they kind of flub it on that they.

1194
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Introduced to subjects. But but you know, but it's very

1195
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 2>lightly like the whole thing when when two Native American

1196
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 2>men robbed them, robbed them and got into the cabin,

1197
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, and did what they did.

1198
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:30.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we know that's from the books.

1199
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know historically that they you know, a

1200
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 2>lot more happened in those situations. But of course they're

1201
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.920
<v Speaker 2>not going to do any any scene like that.

1202
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.199
<v Speaker 1>But that is a scene from the books. And they didn't,

1203
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:43.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, they didn't beat them or rape them. In

1204
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the books. According to Laura, they came, they stole some

1205
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:48.239
<v Speaker 1>things in the left and what the series does is

1206
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.920
<v Speaker 1>they And that's actually a scene apparently in the pilot

1207
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 1>episode of the original series. They it's it's the men

1208
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 1>come into the cabin and steal things, but it's stayed

1209
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:03.679
<v Speaker 1>out in this version because the men are given dialogue, right,

1210
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and that dialogue is the two of them discussing how

1211
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:10.119
<v Speaker 1>these white people have stolen everything from them, have hunted

1212
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.679
<v Speaker 1>their meat, have chopped down their trees. And that's the

1213
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.599
<v Speaker 1>admirable part here, is that they are giving voice to

1214
01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:20.079
<v Speaker 1>the o sage and they're not making it, you know,

1215
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 1>entirely about the white people's perspective. They also, I thought

1216
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 1>this was admirable, made Caroline a little racist. She gets

1217
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:33.440
<v Speaker 1>over it very quickly, and she becomes this paragon of

1218
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.280
<v Speaker 1>racial equality by the end of the season. And I

1219
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.480
<v Speaker 1>did not find it believable at all. But I like

1220
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that they at least allowed her to have that moment

1221
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.199
<v Speaker 1>that felt like, all right, well, she sounds like a

1222
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.159
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century moment, and she sounds a little racist.

1223
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.320
<v Speaker 2>A little hint there because when they ask who's the

1224
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.199
<v Speaker 2>other students? Who else she's she's teaching and she doesn't

1225
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:56.639
<v Speaker 2>say right, So that yeah.

1226
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:00.760
<v Speaker 1>They also allowed the Charles at least early on in

1227
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.079
<v Speaker 1>the story in the season. If you've ever read the books,

1228
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.960
<v Speaker 1>or if you've ever actually, if you've read about them,

1229
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and there have been books written about the Ingles family

1230
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that weren't written by Laura Ingleswilder, he was a loser

1231
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and he was an idiot, and he was a really

1232
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.199
<v Speaker 1>irresponsible man who put his family through hell, and they

1233
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 1>bounced around from state to state to state, and he

1234
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:24.199
<v Speaker 1>had crops fail and he had houses burned down, and

1235
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he just wasn't a stable man. And the show wrestles

1236
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:35.400
<v Speaker 1>with that a little bit. They first off, he makes

1237
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.280
<v Speaker 1>some choices and like, what are you an idiot? Like?

1238
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 1>He makes some choices that seem a little reckless and everything,

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01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 1>and the season, the story takes him to task more

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01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 1>than once for not being honest with his family. His

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01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.360
<v Speaker 1>daughter takes him to task word his wife.

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01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Things from his wife.

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01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 1>So they allow him to be they allow her to

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01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:56.320
<v Speaker 1>be a little racist and him to be a little stupid,

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01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 1>but they really don't take it far they I mean,

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01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously they can't. You can't have lead characters that are

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01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 1>dumb and racist. You have to sort of teach them

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01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:08.480
<v Speaker 1>a lesson. So everything sort of gets glossed, everything gets washed,

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01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, so, yes, we're talking about the play

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01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.079
<v Speaker 1>to the Indigenous, we're talking about the os Age being

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01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 1>forced out, but we're doing it in such a way

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01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:19.360
<v Speaker 1>so that Caroline and Charles feel bad, you know, and

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01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.840
<v Speaker 1>this is just anist, but they're still going to What

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01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I loved is how they ended it this season. Yes,

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01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.679
<v Speaker 1>because here's the thing. The Ingles family in the books

1256
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:34.039
<v Speaker 1>bounced around all over the place. They you know, the

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01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the TV series in the seventies and eighties, it kept

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01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 1>it was like nine or ten seasons of them living

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01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.480
<v Speaker 1>in one place, and that wasn't always the case with them.

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01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:46.320
<v Speaker 1>The books were all over the place. They moved at spoiler,

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01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the season ends with them leaving. And I didn't think

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01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:51.960
<v Speaker 1>they were going to do it, like literally right up

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01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.440
<v Speaker 1>until the end. I was like, they're not going to

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01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.480
<v Speaker 1>do it, They're not going to be bold enough to

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01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:57.480
<v Speaker 1>do it. But they did it because they introduced all

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01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.800
<v Speaker 1>these side characters, all these people in the town, and

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01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 1>all of them are gone. Now that I do love.

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01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.239
<v Speaker 1>That's very true to the pioneer existence.

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01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.199
<v Speaker 2>I was very happy with that because I was like,

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01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of fall in love with those people

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01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 2>in a way, and then we're not going to see

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01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.039
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to see them going to be introduced

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01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:14.079
<v Speaker 2>to a new group of people.

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01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they So the season ends with them and

1275
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.639
<v Speaker 1>they're supposedly heading to Walmut Grove, which is where the

1276
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.239
<v Speaker 1>TV series was set, and they show the ols in

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01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.559
<v Speaker 1>general stores, so obviously they're going to have the Uls.

1278
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I think they were already cast, but they can't wait.

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01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:29.320
<v Speaker 2>They can't wait to see them family.

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01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:34.119
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's a perfectly pleasant show. I think it's

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01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.920
<v Speaker 1>perfectly it's perfect for kids, like I would recommend this

1282
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to anyone who your family, who if you want some

1283
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.360
<v Speaker 1>family time, this is a good show. My criticisms are

1284
01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:48.039
<v Speaker 1>because I would have enjoyed a grittier, more realistic take

1285
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 1>on things, but that's clearly not what this show is

1286
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 1>meant to be, so taking it on its own terms,

1287
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a pleasanter version. The men are hot.

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01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Speaker 2>The men what I was like, what the hell?

1289
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember all the men on the old show

1290
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 1>being this, But every time I turned around, well, you

1291
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 1>know why because they shot this in Canada, so it's

1292
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.480
<v Speaker 1>all these hot Canadian actors, you know, playing like pioneer men.

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01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a lot of really good looking looking yes,

1294
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.199
<v Speaker 1>and that's it. That's our thoughts on Little House recommended,

1295
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.679
<v Speaker 1>but only if you want light entertainment, if you're looking

1296
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.559
<v Speaker 1>for pioneer life or anything like that, I'm sorry. It's

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01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:31.159
<v Speaker 1>not what I like in it. Too is the original

1298
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:34.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five Anne of green Gables. That's what it

1299
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.719
<v Speaker 1>reminded me most of in terms of its esthetic. And

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01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that aesthetic works for this because Anti

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01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.880
<v Speaker 1>green Gables was not about pioneer people and subsistence living.

1302
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.280
<v Speaker 1>It was about people who had a pretty nice life

1303
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:51.000
<v Speaker 1>so you could pritify it. That was my issue with

1304
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.679
<v Speaker 1>this version is that it's too too pretty. And the

1305
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:57.800
<v Speaker 1>thing about the Anna green Gables connection, I think that

1306
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.639
<v Speaker 1>was very deliberate. And in the episode where they have

1307
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the fever. Laura has a hallucination where she sees her grandmother.

1308
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.199
<v Speaker 1>And I watched that scene and I'm like, who is

1309
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that woman? Because they really seemed to focus on the

1310
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.559
<v Speaker 1>grandmother who came out of nowhere. And it turns out

1311
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.159
<v Speaker 1>that's Megan Follows, who was Anna green Gables. I did

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01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.600
<v Speaker 1>not recognize her because forty some odd years had passed

1313
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and she's old enough to play a grandmother now. But

1314
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.239
<v Speaker 1>when I realized that was her and it was a cameo,

1315
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:28.399
<v Speaker 1>she's uncredited in it, I was like, all right, so

1316
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:30.840
<v Speaker 1>this is deliberate. You don't give someone like that a

1317
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.359
<v Speaker 1>cameo unless you were making a statement about what kind

1318
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.479
<v Speaker 1>of show you're making. And this, Yeah, she's kind of

1319
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.920
<v Speaker 1>passing the torts from that show to this one. And

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01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:44.199
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. I would have liked, like I said, dirty

1321
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:48.039
<v Speaker 1>fingernails and you know, dry hair.

1322
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:51.720
<v Speaker 2>And blood splashed all over buring bed.

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01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God, damn it, bare lest. She couldn't scream a

1324
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit, she couldn't make it. Oh my god, she's

1325
01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:00.399
<v Speaker 1>walking around in a dressing gown an hour later, taking

1326
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.079
<v Speaker 1>people in and serving them. I don't know. Rabbit stew on.

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01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Christmas Day, Oh please, all.

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01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, another break and we'll be back and we'll wrap

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01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.640
<v Speaker 1>up by talking about game. I'm not Game of Thrones.

1330
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:16.600
<v Speaker 1>House of the Dragon. We are back and we have

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01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 1>three episodes of House of the Dragon to get through.

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01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:23.359
<v Speaker 1>We just talked about this while the mics were off,

1333
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.840
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we went away on vacation. We have

1334
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.199
<v Speaker 1>not We had to catch up on three episodes by

1335
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.720
<v Speaker 1>last night. There's no way we can just recap all three.

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01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:34.760
<v Speaker 1>We would be here for another hour and a half.

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01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.439
<v Speaker 2>However, I have to say I really enjoyed them.

1338
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I am enjoying this season quite a bit. My initial

1339
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:48.680
<v Speaker 1>complains about this season are mostly dealt with, except for one,

1340
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:51.600
<v Speaker 1>which I will get to. But the clarity of the

1341
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:55.520
<v Speaker 1>writing is I'm very grateful for because it is very

1342
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:58.640
<v Speaker 1>easy to keep track of what's going on. And when

1343
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the season started, I was like, I have no idea,

1344
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.479
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. It's been eleven years since I watched

1345
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.960
<v Speaker 1>an episode. But they're doing a very good job of

1346
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:11.039
<v Speaker 1>bouncing around from location to location. And when Game of

1347
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Thrones was really hitting, when it was on all cylinders,

1348
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 1>when it was at its best, this is what it

1349
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.159
<v Speaker 1>was like. They sent characters off in all these different

1350
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:22.359
<v Speaker 1>directions exactly, and you were able to follow along on

1351
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:23.439
<v Speaker 1>each of their journeys.

1352
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 2>So I like kind of like Lord of the Rings too,

1353
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the different stories going on at the

1354
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.720
<v Speaker 2>same time, different parts of the planet very much.

1355
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:34.840
<v Speaker 1>So one of the things. You know, it was a

1356
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.880
<v Speaker 1>shock when the season great basically started with when you

1357
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.760
<v Speaker 1>were taking the Throne. I did not think they were

1358
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:44.720
<v Speaker 1>going to go directly to that. But by the end

1359
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.600
<v Speaker 1>of last night's episode, I realized, you know, we are

1360
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.479
<v Speaker 1>in the endgame here. There's only another season after this.

1361
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 1>There's only like really, yeah, there's only like I don't know,

1362
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 1>ten eleven episodes left to tell this story. And if

1363
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not I don't think I'm spoiling anything

1364
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 1>by suggect. If you've seen Game of Thrones, then you

1365
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.920
<v Speaker 1>have to realize this story is going to end badly

1366
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.600
<v Speaker 1>for almost everybody in the story. So we are heading

1367
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:16.079
<v Speaker 1>towards the endgame, and I'm feeling that sense of doom, like,

1368
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:20.199
<v Speaker 1>oh wow, this is not going to work out. What

1369
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:25.159
<v Speaker 1>I like about Rhanira's reign is and you know, we

1370
01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:27.199
<v Speaker 1>can unpack this. In fact, this is something I think

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01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.439
<v Speaker 1>we should unpack rather than trying to recap the whole thing.

1372
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:36.319
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of discussion this season among critics that

1373
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.199
<v Speaker 1>the show is doing a very good job, of course,

1374
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:45.399
<v Speaker 1>correcting on the basically the Danaris story from Game of Thrones,

1375
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:48.239
<v Speaker 1>which is largely considered they fucked up that story. They

1376
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.880
<v Speaker 1>never got that character to the point where her going

1377
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:55.119
<v Speaker 1>crazy made sense. Her heel turn at the in the

1378
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.079
<v Speaker 1>final two episodes was considered poorly handled.

1379
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, people are making the connection that this one is

1380
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:02.520
<v Speaker 2>going crazy too. Well.

1381
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:05.079
<v Speaker 1>That's my point is that I think a lot of

1382
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:07.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of critics are pointing out they are actually

1383
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.920
<v Speaker 1>doing the Danera story correctly this time, right, and they

1384
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting to watch Rhaniera And I gotta say,

1385
01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Emma Darcy Man, holy shit, they are going to get

1386
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.720
<v Speaker 1>nominated for this season, and I really really hope they

1387
01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.039
<v Speaker 1>win because the work they're doing, the subtlety of the

1388
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:28.319
<v Speaker 1>work that they're doing as well as the more powerful

1389
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:32.880
<v Speaker 1>still like when her son dies, you know, yeah, yeah,

1390
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.079
<v Speaker 1>well I'm not getting into that again. The actor is

1391
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:37.159
<v Speaker 1>non binary, but the.

1392
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Character is well we do anyway.

1393
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Anyway. Uh So I like that Rhinera is not a

1394
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:46.920
<v Speaker 1>good queen.

1395
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:48.319
<v Speaker 2>No, she's terrible.

1396
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:51.159
<v Speaker 1>She's not good at it. And this is kind of

1397
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:53.840
<v Speaker 1>what I want to unpack, Like when you look at

1398
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the story of the Dance of the Dragons and the

1399
01:12:56.079 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 1>Song of Ice and Fire, Ultimately these stories come down

1400
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:04.760
<v Speaker 1>to queen's in a patriarchal system. It was Seriously and

1401
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Denaris and Sansa at the end of Game of Thrones

1402
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:15.399
<v Speaker 1>all trying to exert power, and now it's Rhinia, and

1403
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.960
<v Speaker 1>prior to her, it was Allison exerting their power, and

1404
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:23.159
<v Speaker 1>the series, both series the franchise seems to be coming

1405
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.960
<v Speaker 1>down on the you shouldn't let women rule because a

1406
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.560
<v Speaker 1>bad at it, Like that's the story over and over

1407
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and over again. Now obviously that's not what the story

1408
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is saying. What the story is saying is that women

1409
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:40.119
<v Speaker 1>are not able to rule in a patriarchal system. There

1410
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:44.039
<v Speaker 1>are so many forces against them, and they are not

1411
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:46.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is what I think is coming with Ryania.

1412
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:51.159
<v Speaker 1>And what they didn't make clear enough with Deanaris is

1413
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:57.319
<v Speaker 1>that maybe she deserves to rule, maybe she could have

1414
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:00.199
<v Speaker 1>been a great queen, but literally nobody trained her. She

1415
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.640
<v Speaker 1>has no training and she does not know what This

1416
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.560
<v Speaker 1>was very true of Danaris, even though it wasn't as

1417
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 1>articulated with her, and it's much more articulated with right mirror,

1418
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.039
<v Speaker 1>where you can see she does not know what the

1419
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.560
<v Speaker 1>hell she's doing and no one trained her to do it. No,

1420
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.359
<v Speaker 1>And she's very stubborn too, So there is stubborn. There's

1421
01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:22.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stubborn and there's a lot of pride there.

1422
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:25.039
<v Speaker 2>And like the whole thing about the coronation, like it

1423
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.840
<v Speaker 2>was just lady, people are dying, right, People are hungry

1424
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 2>out there. They're mad at you. Everybody's angry at you,

1425
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.720
<v Speaker 2>and you want to, you know, have a celebration. So yeah,

1426
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.039
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. And nobody's guiding her there. Some

1427
01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:41.720
<v Speaker 2>are afraid of her, some don't care, some are rooting

1428
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.640
<v Speaker 2>to that she fails. It's interesting. That dynamic is interesting.

1429
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I think my favorite character actually is Alison. I think

1430
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.279
<v Speaker 2>she she's evil, she's oldad, but she understands.

1431
01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I love Olivia Cook's performed. Yes, she understands. Alison is

1432
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:01.199
<v Speaker 1>an asshole, right, but I do of her performance. Here's

1433
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:05.399
<v Speaker 1>that's This was the criticism I had about the show

1434
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:08.239
<v Speaker 1>going into the season, and I still have this criticism.

1435
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I didn't read the books that this is based on,

1436
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.399
<v Speaker 1>but I've read the summaries, and I know where the

1437
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:18.880
<v Speaker 1>story goes, and I know what Martin's intention was for

1438
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:26.399
<v Speaker 1>these characters. And Alison and Rainier are unquestionably bad people

1439
01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.399
<v Speaker 1>in the writing of these stories, and the show does

1440
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.840
<v Speaker 1>not want to commit to that, and I guess the

1441
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:35.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking is, well, we have to.

1442
01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Give them a little bit of a soul, Yeah, I guess,

1443
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:39.119
<v Speaker 2>because like.

1444
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:44.119
<v Speaker 1>So with Raniira, she's a bad queen, but it's because, oh,

1445
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:45.920
<v Speaker 1>there's so many forces against her, and she doesn't know

1446
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.279
<v Speaker 1>what she's doing. It's not because she's an evil bitch,

1447
01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:51.479
<v Speaker 1>but she kind of is an evil bitch. I'm sorry,

1448
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:52.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I.

1449
01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Mean, the thing is with Alison, for example, I mean

1450
01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:58.399
<v Speaker 2>she's offering her kids to be slaughtered, you know, I mean,

1451
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:02.479
<v Speaker 2>that's how evil she is. And right, but even that,

1452
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:05.640
<v Speaker 2>they it's a whole yeah, yeah, yeah. She's so conflicted

1453
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 2>and she's so scared and she's just trying to protect

1454
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Helene or whatever it is. And with right Nira, like

1455
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:15.800
<v Speaker 2>her guards go out and they slaughter people because she

1456
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.479
<v Speaker 2>told them to go out and handle the graffiti that

1457
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.399
<v Speaker 2>was being written aboutter But it's presented like, oh, sir,

1458
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Luther took her her you know, her orders too far,

1459
01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:28.079
<v Speaker 2>and she didn't mean it like they.

1460
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Are actually saying no, no, She she there should be yes.

1461
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.079
<v Speaker 1>She should be sitting on the throne saying I want

1462
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:37.119
<v Speaker 1>these people dead, right because that's who that that character

1463
01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:39.359
<v Speaker 1>would make more sense.

1464
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Right she and and you can tell that that's what

1465
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:43.640
<v Speaker 2>she wants. I mean, she's she's evil. She makes to

1466
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:45.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, she she wants him to do the thing

1467
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:49.079
<v Speaker 2>she tells them to do. But I I don't know,

1468
01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:53.319
<v Speaker 2>it just feels like they're making again. It's it's pretty

1469
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.119
<v Speaker 2>much every show I think in general. They want you

1470
01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:58.520
<v Speaker 2>to have both sides. They want you to have that

1471
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 2>person making evil comments. But at the same time, oh,

1472
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.720
<v Speaker 2>she's questioning her decisions. She's questioning what she's gonna do

1473
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.960
<v Speaker 2>or she's doing. And you can see that, I mean,

1474
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.760
<v Speaker 2>like you can see those two ladies talking. For example.

1475
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:17.399
<v Speaker 1>I apologize for that. We had to cut the mics

1476
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:20.359
<v Speaker 1>because I was about to explode into a coughing fit

1477
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:25.399
<v Speaker 1>into my microphone. It's fascinating. I am literally getting sicker

1478
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.239
<v Speaker 1>over the course of this podcast. If you rewind to

1479
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:30.199
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of it, I probably sound a lot better

1480
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:31.960
<v Speaker 1>than I do right now, and I think we need

1481
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.319
<v Speaker 1>to wrap this up because I'm getting sick. So yes, Ryanira,

1482
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:40.079
<v Speaker 1>I would. I really think Emma's doing an amazing job.

1483
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I like that the show has allowed this character to

1484
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:46.800
<v Speaker 1>be a bad queen, although I do think it raises

1485
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:50.520
<v Speaker 1>questions about does this story have an issue with women

1486
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:55.399
<v Speaker 1>taking power? But I really wish they would make her evil.

1487
01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:58.800
<v Speaker 1>As you said, they kind of dance around it with

1488
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Alison that she is obviously not a good mother, but

1489
01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:06.680
<v Speaker 1>they again it's all like, well, forces have made her.

1490
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, she had to sleep with Vizaras and all

1491
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:11.199
<v Speaker 1>of that's true. I'm not taking that away from it.

1492
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:13.800
<v Speaker 1>But I really just wish they would let these two

1493
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:18.520
<v Speaker 1>main characters be horrible, horrible people, because the story would

1494
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:20.520
<v Speaker 1>actually make much more sense if they were.

1495
01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, I mean it. It would make more

1496
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the decisions would make more sense the and and you'd

1497
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 2>have a better point of view.

1498
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I think, as I asked, the show struggles with trying

1499
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:36.439
<v Speaker 1>to make both of them like heroines of a sort

1500
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:39.399
<v Speaker 1>and like they're not heroines. Everything they've done from the

1501
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:40.920
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the story has been awful.

1502
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to be honest, everyone, everyone is horrible in

1503
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:45.520
<v Speaker 2>this show, every single one of them.

1504
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Ormond High Tower, Oh my.

1505
01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.920
<v Speaker 2>God, I was not expecting that at all. Yeah, I

1506
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:55.039
<v Speaker 2>thought he was just a not not necessarily psycho God's idea.

1507
01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:58.880
<v Speaker 1>The show was very good at doing these evil characters

1508
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.279
<v Speaker 1>that you just want to want. You just want to

1509
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:03.600
<v Speaker 1>watch that guy because he's crazy and evil, and of course.

1510
01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:07.279
<v Speaker 2>He's the costume James Norton looks amazing. The costume is point.

1511
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Right near her and and Alison are not given that

1512
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:15.760
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to be these raging bitches, like seriously, was like that,

1513
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Like she was the most hated character on the old show,

1514
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 1>but people also loved her.

1515
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh the Ormond called called her a bitch with with

1516
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:27.119
<v Speaker 2>a bit with a dragon, a bitch with a dragon.

1517
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.800
<v Speaker 1>But yes, that's my point. He's great. He's one of

1518
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the best new things about the series. Also still loving

1519
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Alice Rivers the Witch's phenomenon. She love her and they

1520
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:42.239
<v Speaker 1>actually had her doing some like slightly magical stuff.

1521
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you think she's an actual goat or she turns

1522
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:45.520
<v Speaker 2>into a goat?

1523
01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe, but they are letting her. They don't.

1524
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:54.479
<v Speaker 1>They don't use magic all that much in these in

1525
01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:59.000
<v Speaker 1>these stories. Uh, they're very you know, circumspect about how

1526
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:00.439
<v Speaker 1>they use it. But I'm glad that they let her

1527
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.119
<v Speaker 1>be a little magical in this one. All right, who

1528
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:09.479
<v Speaker 1>else Baila and her uncle look like they're about to

1529
01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:10.119
<v Speaker 1>get together.

1530
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:14.399
<v Speaker 2>I think the whole thing with is that Raina and

1531
01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the dragon when when Damon found her, you know, yeah,

1532
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:20.720
<v Speaker 2>that was a really good that was an interesting thing.

1533
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, he became too fatherly.

1534
01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:27.840
<v Speaker 1>He had no relationship, he had no relation with her.

1535
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:29.920
<v Speaker 2>And he's a horrible person, so that was a little

1536
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.199
<v Speaker 2>too sweet for me. I agree, But again, you know,

1537
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.640
<v Speaker 2>she I'm curious. I mean, apparently there's more to it

1538
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:40.039
<v Speaker 2>that that's gonna happen with her and the dragon outle death,

1539
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:41.039
<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious about that.

1540
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's so much that happened in the

1541
01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:48.640
<v Speaker 1>last three episodes that I am I I'm trying to

1542
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:49.880
<v Speaker 1>pick and choose what we're talking about.

1543
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I do think the whole thing with Corlis and and

1544
01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, yeah, well she pissed him

1545
01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:55.680
<v Speaker 2>off again.

1546
01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh, she's so conflicted and she doesn't want to know.

1547
01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Just let her be a bit like she's not gonna

1548
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:05.239
<v Speaker 1>do it because she's a hypocrite and a bit Yeah,

1549
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and she mistreats her allies.

1550
01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I do like that he pointed that out, that pointed

1551
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:11.680
<v Speaker 2>out that her kids are all bastard.

1552
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she's so conflicted and she feels bad and no, no,

1553
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:18.199
<v Speaker 1>just let her be a bad character. The show works

1554
01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>better when she is, and I think that's why I'm

1555
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:23.760
<v Speaker 1>enjoying this revelation that she's not good at her job.

1556
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I also saw the scene with the rat banquet was

1557
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:29.039
<v Speaker 2>also interesting.

1558
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:31.960
<v Speaker 1>It was I saw that coming a million miles away,

1559
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:36.039
<v Speaker 1>but yes, it was. And I mean, but again, it's like,

1560
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:38.119
<v Speaker 1>well that was kind of crazy ast thing to do,

1561
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:41.239
<v Speaker 1>but you know it's crazy she's but it's justified because

1562
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>those people and the people are starving in the streets,

1563
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and she cares about the small folk and they're trying

1564
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to do way too much of that stuff.

1565
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I think she I don't think she cares at all.

1566
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's my point of these. Either the show

1567
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:56.640
<v Speaker 2>wants you the show wants you to be questioning that,

1568
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But to me, it's very clear. She is very manipulative.

1569
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:03.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, she forces people to do things, and then.

1570
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:06.840
<v Speaker 1>She she's ungrateful all the white She's basically imprisoning off

1571
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:08.880
<v Speaker 1>in the red Keep. He's not allowed to go out

1572
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>to saloons or taverns anymore. So they're getting there, but

1573
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:17.800
<v Speaker 1>they're still like an they're gonna do like a denarous

1574
01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:21.399
<v Speaker 1>moment where she just snaps and finally goes. And you

1575
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.239
<v Speaker 1>could have just made her an asshole from the beginning,

1576
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like you toyed with this, and you could have made

1577
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:29.680
<v Speaker 1>her a villain from the beginning. Same thing with Allison.

1578
01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I think the story is much more engrossing when these

1579
01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:36.039
<v Speaker 1>two villainous women are at the center of it. But

1580
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:38.399
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to tell a story about the patriarchy, and

1581
01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I'm not opposed to it, but it

1582
01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.720
<v Speaker 1>removes a lot of the teeth from the story.

1583
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought also that she believed very quickly that that

1584
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.720
<v Speaker 2>skull was the was the person who killed her her son.

1585
01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean to me that what else is she supposed

1586
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to believe? You know?

1587
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.159
<v Speaker 2>But I wish we had a scene where she questioned

1588
01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.680
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more, or you know, went too quick.

1589
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure that's going to play out late. I'm

1590
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>sure we're not done with that.

1591
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I also like the whole thing with Alison and what's

1592
01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:11.720
<v Speaker 2>her name, Miss Mercer, miss Aria. Sorry, yeah, I think

1593
01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:16.119
<v Speaker 2>that was interesting that they might I don't know, join forces.

1594
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could say I like that actress, but

1595
01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's good in that role at all.

1596
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

1597
01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think she is. I've seen her in

1598
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>other things, but you have. She was in Crazy Rich

1599
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Asians Rights The Bride, Oh my god, yes, yeah, but

1600
01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't like her. I just don't like her

1601
01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in this. I don't think she's very believable. But yeah,

1602
01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:40.399
<v Speaker 1>we'll see. Right now, Allison just trapped in a secret

1603
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>passageway with her daughter, so who knows if she's getting

1604
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:43.319
<v Speaker 1>out of there.

1605
01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.560
<v Speaker 2>And I also like the whole thing with the actual king,

1606
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:48.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, Egon? Right?

1607
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, I do like and Amon is actually really great. Yes, uh,

1608
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.319
<v Speaker 1>first off that I kind of love Agon right now,

1609
01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>he's even though he's well, this is my point, he's

1610
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.279
<v Speaker 1>an asshole, but you can enjoy watching it.

1611
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.560
<v Speaker 2>It's behaving like an asshole. This is spoiled.

1612
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>They need to let right Near and Alison be assholes

1613
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:15.359
<v Speaker 1>because Egan and Amon are and even uh, what's Matt

1614
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Smith's characters name?

1615
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Right Near?

1616
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:21.399
<v Speaker 1>And oh Damon is it, Damon, Yeah, they're all assholes.

1617
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:24.399
<v Speaker 1>They let Amen be horrible assholes, and they're some of

1618
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the best characters on the show anyway. Yes, Egon and

1619
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Laris the strong and their various struggles. I don't think

1620
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:34.479
<v Speaker 1>his together. I don't think his dragon is dead. No,

1621
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're making it. They're hinting very strong.

1622
01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh spoiler, he's not.

1623
01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>You probably shouldn't have said that.

1624
01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's in the books anyway, right, well, we're not

1625
01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about them, but anyway, and also they might not

1626
01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:51.399
<v Speaker 2>go with that, but apparently the dragon is not dead.

1627
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1628
01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Don't yell at me, everyone yell at Lorenzo.

1629
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:57.399
<v Speaker 2>He just by watching a bunch of.

1630
01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's get all these mics before we do anything, before

1631
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I hack into them or you give anything else away?

1632
01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you have anything else you want to say about

1633
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:07.279
<v Speaker 1>the show?

1634
01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:12.079
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm actually enjoying it. It's actually enjoyable now without

1635
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:14.640
<v Speaker 2>having read the books, i'd say, you know, like in

1636
01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, I was like, oh my god, do I

1637
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:17.479
<v Speaker 2>need to read the books because I have no idea

1638
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.479
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. But it's getting better at explaining things.

1639
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I do think the Extors in general are doing a

1640
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>very good job. I think so, And it still feels like, yeah,

1641
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>an interesting show, and with things happening, and and you

1642
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.239
<v Speaker 2>always you know, there are certain things that I think

1643
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:39.520
<v Speaker 2>they do a very good job. And the cinematography is beautiful,

1644
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>costumes are like lighting, and all that I enjoyed very good.

1645
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I have anything else left to say.

1646
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I think we have beaten us one today. Yes, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll be back next week with I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know what we're talking about. Next week, we'll find out

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<v Speaker 1>whatever crosses ours across our desk. Until then, take care

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<v Speaker 1>of yourselves, love you mean it. Bye bye,