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Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Hello kittens, welcome back to another edition of the PSO.

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I am the team. You're te Low, Tom Fitzgerald, and

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I'm here with the Low and your te Lot Lorenzo,

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my cousin, I love the husband, and we are back

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from our trip back and Lorenzo is dying. He told

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me he was like, I am talking about the trip

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on the podcast. You were giving me fifteen minutes talk about.

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Speaker 2: We're asking on Instagram and you know, they want to

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know about our trip and.

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Speaker 1: Let me just set the stage and then you can go,

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because you're very bad at setting the stage if you

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haven't been paying attention or listening. We took a almost

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two ten day trip to Edinburgh and Donic, Ireland, and

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a couple of days in Dublin and it was a

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lovely time. And Lorenzo planned the entire trip because I

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am I've been with this man long enough to know

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that you just get out of his way when there's

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a trip to be planned. So I'm turning this over

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to you. If you follow us on Instagram, and you should,

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it's Tom and Lorenzo Official because our original Tom and

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lorenzo Instagram account got hacked and we're no longer part

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of that. So Tom and Lorenzo Official. If you go

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there on Instagram, you will see hundreds of pictures from

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our trip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you see a ton of pictures because I always

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do that because sometimes I feel like it's a little

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too self endored. But people love it. People love it.

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They say, oh my god, I'm so glad to see

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your pictures. You take great pictures, and I think it's

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a way to share. So if you're planning a trip,

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you know, you get inspired by the pictures and the

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places we've been. I was my entire life. I've always

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wanted to go to Scotland. I don't know why. I

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guess because I liked the culture and everything about it.

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So I was very excited. We we were we we

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got invited to a wedding uh in in Ireland, and

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that was the original plan with the whole family. So

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uh so we were talking about it and then we're like, oh,

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why don't we just go to Scotland too, Like, since

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we're there, let's just add another you know, leg and

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uh we did, and I'm my god, I'm so glad

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we did.

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Speaker 1: Edinburgh is magical. I say, it's kind of a beautiful,

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magical city.

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Speaker 2: You go ahead, No, no, no, I mean Scotland is absolutely magical.

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It's everything I saw on TikTok five hundred thousand times

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on YouTube everywhere. It's really what you see online and more.

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It's a beautiful, magical place. Uh. There's so much history

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everywhere you can feel it. Uh. And it's so beautiful

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and the people were so friendly. I have to emphasize this.

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Everyone was extremely friendly and helpful and it was just great.

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We had the most amazing experience. It's funny because Tom's family,

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some of his siblings went first a couple of days

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first before we landed there, and they were taking pictures

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and I see all these people wearing jackets and blazes,

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and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: It was one hundred and five to grays in Philadelphia.

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I now left ye and we landed in cold weather.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was really cold. I mean I wasn't even

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going to bring a jacket, but you know, I'm glad

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I did. So. It was kind of like cloudy, gray

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and a little bit of rain in the beginning. And

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then it's funny, towards the end of the trip, we

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were like wearing shorts and it was so hot. Right anyway,

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we made a very good decision. I highly recommend that

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we took the bus toward to the Highlands. We went

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to the Loch Nest, glen Coe and the Highlands and

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all that area, and it was just it's a long trip.

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not that close to Edinburgh, but it's so worth it.

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I mean just going and looking at the you know,

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just the scenery and and the mountains and everything. And

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then every time we stopped, my god.

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Speaker 1: It's just heaven. It's beautiful. It doesn't seem real. It

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doesn't seem when you're standing and it doesn't seem real.

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Speaker 2: So we got to see a lot of things. Everything

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you can imagine. Dura Mile is it's very touristy, but

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so magical. The castle, my god, it's it's not even

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just a castle, it's a whole village up there. It's

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just phenomenon. We had great time. We also had tea there.

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We did the afternoon tea at the castle with the

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whole family, which was very lovely. So we visit every

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pretty much every place. We walked a lot. We saw

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a lot as you can see. I took a bunch

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of pictures and of course I had to try the kilt.

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I mean I had to you you can see pictures

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of me wearing on my our Instagram account. And it

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was funny. The whole thing started with us talking because

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we have we had a family group for the trip,

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and some of the guys, the in laws, were saying, well,

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I'm thinking abouting a kilt. And then I'm like, oh

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my god, let's do it. Let's all do it, and

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we'll take a picture all together, all the boys together

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wearing kilts. But of course knew what he did it.

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I did it. I was like, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: Do my memory play. That was not my memory no. No,

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no one said I think I'll do it. Lorenzo was

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let's all do it. No one, no one suggested doing this.

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was like, no, I don't think I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But after I did it, people were like, well,

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Speaker 1: Done one person anyway I did it. One person said,

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oh I wish I had done that.

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Speaker 2: Anyway I did it, and I thought.

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Speaker 1: It was the he or my husband told me to

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shut up. And the bitch in this marriage. But I

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am not the bitch anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not.

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Speaker 1: I had the most of me. You're not dead serious

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there for a second. No, really, I am the bitch.

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Speaker 2: I am the bitch.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I had I love the experience. Uh. You know,

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I'm a fashion person. I've always looked at men wearing them.

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I think it's so hot and masculine and beautiful. So

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I was like, I need to do it. Uh and

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I had. I had no idea what I was doing,

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and I didn't want it to do it, you know wrong.

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I mean I didn't want to like make a fool

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out of myself anyway. So I went to the store.

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Uh and uh, this guy at the store was so helpful.

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He measured me and you know, the whole thing to

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show me how to do it, because it, you know,

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there's very specific things about where it has to go

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up you know, below you your belly button and all that,

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and the knees for the you know where he has

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to hit your knee, and then the socks and the flashes,

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you know, the little flags that you had to the

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to the socks, all that stuff. So I wanted that.

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and I loved it, loved the experience, and I have

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it now and I'm gonna wear it. I'm gonna wear it.

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He did in filled it. I love it. It was

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just a great experience. Anyway, Scottland was phenomen.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing speaking of kilts, is I mean, we

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but my favorite thing was seeing guys who were not

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dressed up and we're not in the full regalia, and

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the Highlands, we stopped in this one small town. Actually

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to lock Nest, So we were right on Locknest.

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Speaker 2: It's Fort Augustus, Okay, that's.

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Speaker 1: The town, and we were waiting in line for the

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boat and this guy just walked by. He was just

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some local walking by and he was in a gray

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kilt with a gray hoodie and a pair of sneakers,

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and I just loved it. I was like, that is

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such a cool look. Yes, yes, it's traditional, but it's

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moderns It has a certain formality to it, but it's

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clearly not formal, and it's just very relaxed, and it

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to see it in play to say that it actually

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a Scottish men. It's it's a workable garment. A lot

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of them will walk around wearing it in casual situations.

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Speaker 2: So I loved it. I did a lot of research

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because you know, you also have the Great kilt that's

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the one you see on Outleander that is pretty much

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just a piece of cloth that you literally lie on

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the floor and you wrap it around you. That's how

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they were in the on the TV show Outleander. But anyway,

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and I asked people, I asked local, I asked the guy,

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wearing this? You know, I don't want to, you know,

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be accused of like you know, cultural appropriation or anything

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like that. But they were like, no, my god, no,

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everyone loves when people wear them, you know. So I

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did it. Loved it anyway. Scotland was absolutely phenomenal. I

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highly highly recommended. The food was great, Yes, hagus I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lorenzo's a vegetari there's a vegetari, but they're not

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on any of the restaurants we went to. None of

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them had it. Also, Lorenzo managed to find a restaurant

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with absolutely nothing on the menu that I liked. It was.

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It was a tremendous feet on his part. First the haggis.

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a country, I'm gonna, yeah, give me the haggis. When

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we went to Germany, I was like, all right, strudel

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and brought worst. That's what I'm going to do. Like,

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if you're here, you're here. You want to try those things.

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Highland bus and he was talking about hagis, He's like,

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eat hot dogs, and you know you're you don't want

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to think about what's in a hot dog. But it's

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no better or worse than what's in hagus. It was fine.

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I had it to have it. I had it to

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say that I had it, to experience it and to

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because you know, satisfy my curiosity, but I'll never have

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it again. And I wasn't. I wasn't grossed out by

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the flavor of it at all, and I'm not grossed

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orgon me as far as I understand, and you know,

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oatmeal and spices and stuff like that. It tasted fine,

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it had. It tasted like a spicy meat loaf. My

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mushy food. That's me. I do not like mushy food

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at all. Like I can't eat things like croquettes like

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minced you know, chicken crow, that sort of thing, I

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can't eat. I don't like it. So and that was

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my thing. And I know there are forms of hagas

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that are like deep fried, that have like a heavy

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crust on them. But I had the traditional haggis with

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the tatties and the NEPs, and I'm glad it was delicious.

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why I'll never have it again.

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Speaker 2: We tried several things. We tried the kerneken is that kranneken,

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I think, which is basically a trifle but delicious, very

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very good. The Iron Brew Iron brew to drink, which

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Speaker 1: Clough syrup. I didn't like it at all.

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Speaker 2: It has a very unique flavor. And the funny thing

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you asked people what does it taste like? What is it?

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Nobody knows? People are like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, it tasted like children's cold medicine. It

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had that really sweet, thick, syrupy feel to it, and

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it it had a non specific flavor to it. There

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was a slight sort of orange, but I don't even

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know if that was psychological, because drink is so bright

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orange that you expect it to taste citrusy and maybe

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you just fill that blank in I don't know.

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Speaker 2: To me, felt a little berry ish. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: S I didn't get that anyway, But I did like

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Speaker 2: And it was all right. I mean, I didn't hate it,

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Speaker 1: Edinburgh Castle, Dean Village.

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Speaker 2: Dean Village. I highly recommend Dean Village because when you

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go online, people take a picture by the by those buildings,

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you know, by the bridge, and that's it. They go home. No,

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you have to explore the whole area. It is so nice, right.

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a fairytale village and it looks like, you know, eighteen

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sixty never ended. I mean, it's very much a snapshot of.

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Speaker 2: A time far from the main city. Yeah, you can

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actually walk if you feel like walking, but it's a

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long walk. It's like thirty eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: In case you can't tell, we're battling our post trip.

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Speaker 2: I know we're a little we're lacking sick.

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Speaker 1: But I apologize. All right, let's take a short break

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and we'll come back and wrap up our trip. Yes, right,

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we'll be right back. We're back and we're going to

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wrap up our vacation coverage. But we have a few

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more things we wanted to talk about Scotland. Yeah, let's yeah,

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we want to talk about the Ireland leg of our trap,

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but there's a couple more things we want to talk

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about in Scotland, in Edinburgh specifically. I know we wanted

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to talk you want to talk about Mary King's clothes.

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Speaker 2: Which was phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me explain. I'm gonna let Lorenzo explain

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Mary King's clothes, but let me explain that where we

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were staying in Edinburgh and where you get. You know,

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it's like the tourist attraction of all tourist attraction is

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what's called the Royal Mile. And it's literally a mile

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long street, all cobblestones leading up a hill and it

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leads directly to Edinburgh. It ends at Edinburgh Castle. And

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there are tourist attractions all over this mile. There are shops,

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there are restaurants, there are bars. It's where you go

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to get the Edinburgh experience. And one thing I want

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to say about the Royal Mile is it's very much

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a tourist it's there, it's you know, I want to

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how do I say this. It's a tourist attraction. But

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historic mile. I mean, you know, it's not something a

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threw together and you feel that history. And maybe because

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it's not simply some row of shops that actually has

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historic significance to it, it's it's very very old. It

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doesn't feel like a tourist trap. It doesn't feel chintzy

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or anything. There are chintzy gift shops where you can

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buy cheap ass kilts and tetels and magnets, but I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't think they were as aggressive as in Paris, for example,

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Speaker 1: There are also places in any city actually, but in

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any European city where you know, you get into a

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tourist area and it's just shitty stores and bad restaurants.

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real deal. You will get a real slice of Edinburgh,

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but at the Edinburgh. But at the same time you're

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you were you also get all your needs as a

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as a tourists met. You know, you can buy your souvenirs,

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you can have your hagus, you can stop and have

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a beer. Saint Giles Cathedral is right there, just stunning.

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I was looking at the pictures of Saint Giles Cathedral

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yesterday because Lorenzo uploaded the five thousand pictures that he

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took on his anyway, I was looking at those pictures

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and I was really blown away by how beautiful the

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church was. And it's kind of a shame because we

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went there on our first day, we met up with

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my siblings to go to that church, and uh, we

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were up for like thirty sees.

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Speaker 2: We just dropped our box, so yeah, we dropped our bags.

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We couldn't check any yet, and then we just went

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Speaker 1: I barely remember that. I'm looking at the pictures and

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I'm like, I barely remember going to this church anyway.

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It's also where the bagpipers come out and play in

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their full Scottish you know regalia and the kilts and

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the hats and everything. And Lorenzo took his picture next

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to one, and my brother took his picture next to

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a much hotter one. We're all looking for the hot

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one anyway. Why don't you explain what Mary King's Closes,

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which is one of the tourist attractions on the Royal

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Mile and a close. They're all over Edinburgh. They're historically significant.

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If you want to be reductive about it. It's an alleyway,

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but they're very elaborate alleyways in between buildings right on

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multiple levels. They like there are labyrinths involved.

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Speaker 2: And they're you know, ways to get from one part

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of the city to the next, and they're beautiful. I

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meant lots of steps, lots of step, yes, lots of steps.

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You know, there's a lot of that on Edinburgh, so

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you have to get used to it or walk very slow.

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But anyway, the most famous one, i'd say is the

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real Mary King's Clothes, which they have a tour they open.

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I forget when they opened for the public. It was

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closed for a long time and then they open for

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the public, you know, for tourists, and they have a tour.

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The real Americans closed. It's basically a it dates to

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like the seventeenth century.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeenth century.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty much a It's a close that is located

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under the Edinburgh City Chambers.

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Speaker 1: They built the City Chambers over this close and they

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built the City Chambers in like the eighteen hundreds or

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the yeah, the late like the late Victorian era. But

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for two hundred years prior to that, it was essentially

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a tenement or an apartment building. There were it was

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on multiple levels. You went down an alleyway, but then

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this alleyway branched off and went in right it turns

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into an elaborate hidden city and it was six floors

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of businesses and merchants and you know, we went through

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the whole tour. And part of the reason we're talking

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about this is because it's been what little that is

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left of that close, because a lot of it was

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built over, they have maintained as in its original form,

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so you can go toward it. And it's one of

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those things where they have people in period costumes who

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pretend to be you know, I was. It was you know,

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I died in eighteen fifty whatever, and I kind of

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hate that stuff. But she was good, and it was

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fascinating because you start at the lower level and it's

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where the rats and the poor people and the plague is,

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and then you move up very and then there's a

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middle class level, which is literally a middle class, and

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then there's an upper level where you know, merchants live

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and you get to go up. Mary Kane was a

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burgess and she was right in like the sixteen or

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early seventeen hundreds, and the close was named after her,

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and go ahead, yeah.

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Speaker 2: The clothes was named after her, you know, many years later,

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but it's pretty much her view of the whole thing.

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So you get this this guide dressed like her, and

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she's as you know, I'm Mary, I was born and blah,

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blah blah. And I usually hate that kind of thing,

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I really do. I just don't like it. It's not

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my thing. Not saying, you know some people like that,

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but I have to say, in this case was very

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necessary because you needed guidance.

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Speaker 1: You need to know you were looking at now.

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Speaker 2: You had no idea what you're going down to or

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up to, and you needed someone to tell you exactly

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what those rooms were and explain everything. Show the walls,

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you know, and it's so dark and cold downstairs.

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Speaker 1: Really hard to picture how people lived there. But it

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was fascinating because I've never heard of closes before going

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to Edinburgh. I didn't know they existed, and I didn't

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know I didn't know people ever lived that way.

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Speaker 2: And when you go down to the you know, lowest

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level where the very poor people lived, she showed rooms

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that like tiny, like bathroom size rooms that where sixteen twelve,

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sixteen people lived. Yeah, I died and died with no light,

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no nothing, So it was very interesting. It's so dark

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where you go that she actually has a flashlight. The

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guide has a flash light and she shows you things

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on the walls, you know, everywhere. I highly recommend it.

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It's it's a very interesting part of the history. Uh

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and and it gives you a very interesting perspective of things.

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How things were, you know back then?

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Speaker 1: In anything else in Edinburgh that you wanted to talk about.

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We talked about Dean's Village. Did Dean Village?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The only thing I say is there's so many

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beautiful things. Scott Monument is gorgeous, all these things that

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you everything is absolute as you see online, absolutely beautiful.

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The only thing I highly recommend that almost killed me

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is that you go to the Ross Fountain to see

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the castle from the ross Fountain point of view. We

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were walking around the museum, the National Gallery and so

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and I decided to go. I thought it was very

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close and it was a very very hot day. Tom

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said no, I'll stay here, and I went. I almost

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died because it was so hot. But just go look

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at the pictures on Instagram on our Instagram account. It

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is the most beautiful view of the castle from the

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Ross Field.

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Speaker 1: The only other thing I'll mention is the Witchery, where

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we went to dinner for our final night in Edinburgh.

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It is a pretty famous restaurant. It's as I said,

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it was impressive that Lorenzo found a restaurant where I

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don't like anything on the menu because I am not

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a picky eater at all. But we got there and listen,

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it's gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: It's very gothic on the inside. Lorenzo has pictures. If

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you want the experience, go for that. But I agreed

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with what a lot of online reviewers said was that

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the food was nothing.

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Speaker 2: No, nothing directly, but it's okay. The food is not bad.

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My fish, it's not bad, but the food is not great.

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Here's what happened. I'm usually the picky one. I mean,

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Tommy's always the one having to, you know, be concerned

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about if they have what I what I can eat

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every single time you go to a restaurant. So I

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thought they were going to have something for him. So,

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you know, I just looked at the manuals like, all right,

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I'll have this fish done. Didn't even occur to me

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that that wasn't something that tom was gonna eat because

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he didn't want to eat seafood.

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Speaker 1: That we had a lot of seafood. And also there's

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a lot of the seafood on that menu was very

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much of the fish in cream, a variety of seafood,

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which is not my thing.

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Speaker 2: So the restaurant has two parts what they call the

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old building, the old room and then the garden. We

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ate in the old room. I'm not saying it correctly,

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but anyway, it's the old part of the restaurant, which

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is absolutely gorgeous. Drop that gorgeous. It's so dark with candles,

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candle light, you know, it's just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very moody, very very.

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Speaker 2: Medieval, kind of like kind of looking. But always the

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food was okay, service was very good. The aw waiters

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were very polite, very friendly. Just the food was okay.

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But if you want the experience go, I highly recommend it.

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It's not that expensive.

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Speaker 1: All right, real quick, because we haven't even gotten to

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the topic like this week's guest yet. What do you

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want to say about Donegal town where we spent a

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few days.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to go again. We got invited to a

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wedding again and I said, of course, because you know,

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we wanted to go to Ireland again. This time the

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wedding was in a different part of the country Donegal

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last time was around no not Goalwie. It was somewhere

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in between. Tommy Cavin, Yes, but we ended up going

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to go. We took the Boss Tour, but this time

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the wedding was in Donegal and we wanted to go.

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So we landed in Dublin from Edinburgh and we drove

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to Donegal and so we made a quick stop at Mallingah,

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which is a.

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Speaker 1: Little town in the west of Ireland where my mother's

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family is from. And years ago, so my mother's great

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great great great grandfather I think, was married to a

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woman and they had thirteen children, because of course they

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did Ireland in the eighteen sixties and typically were people

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in Ireland who have thirteen children. He had trouble feeding them,

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and this was during the famine, and he stole a

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neighbor's sheep to feed his family and he was arrested

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her and he was sent to a work camp in Australia.

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It's very Irish diaspora story. There's a million people who

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have stories like this in their family. And she got

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on a boat with her thirteen kids and came to

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New York. So my mother always you know, she had

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done my father had actually done research on her family

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and everything. Pardon me, I am battling my post vacation cold. Anyway,

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So my parents went to Mullingar sometime in the nineteen

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00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,559
nineties and my father had done the research. My brother

472
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,519
in law, Sean had also done a lot of research.

473
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:55,400
He's an archivist, and they knew the family history. I

474
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,960
don't think my mother grew up hearing the story about

475
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,160
him stealing the sheep. I think that was something that

476
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,680
was Yes, it was uncovered in this research that my

477
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,880
father and my brother in law did. So anyway, they

478
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,559
go to Moulangar, this is thirty years ago, and they're

479
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:14,960
in a pub as one does when they're in Ireland,

480
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,880
and they're talking to the locals as one does, and

481
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,119
someone asks or she mentions that her family is from

482
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,319
that area, and she's the person they were talking to.

483
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,279
It was the bartender actually said, oh, what's the family name,

484
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,400
and she said tore Me and he said, oh, the

485
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,960
sheep stealers. So that sort of became legend in our

486
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,799
family that, you know, her family was legendary for stealing

487
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,119
sheep in this small town in the west of Ireland. Anyway,

488
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,960
it was very charming, Like a lot of these small

489
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,079
towns in Ireland, they don't overly pretty it up for now.

490
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,440
They that, but it's still innately charming, which I love

491
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:54,519
because I do. It reminded me of like an old

492
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:58,359
beach town. Yes that's what it felt like. But yeah,

493
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,359
afternoon there we went to the Carvery Buffet which was

494
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:07,079
on weekend afternoons and just had lunch there with all

495
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,720
the locals.

496
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: It was phenomenal. And then we you know, we moved

497
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200
on to Donegal, which we spent a great time to

498
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,440
have a beautiful castle there that we had.

499
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: Pretty much the whole thing all to ourselves, to.

500
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,279
Speaker 2: Ourselves because we we went very early in the morning.

501
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,759
Like I said, we were there for the wedding, so

502
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:25,200
we didn't have a lot of time to do a

503
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,519
lot of things, but I tried my best. So we

504
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:31,160
took a bus to a town nearby which they claim

505
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,200
is the oldest town in Ireland called what is it?

506
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,279
Oh my god, god, I can't remember now, sham Bell

507
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,920
and shan and thank you. Charming town.

508
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,279
Speaker 1: Very nice again, one of those rundown towns, but just

509
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,599
very very charming, lots of old buildings and just very

510
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:53,079
you know, you want to go to places that aren't

511
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,039
necessarily touristy to just sort of get a sense of,

512
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,279
you know, how people live, where people live and I

513
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,480
really enjoyed in there. It was a really really charming town.

514
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,279
And shout out to the mystery lesbian who found us

515
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,359
in the church yard. We you know, as so many

516
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,960
of these towns have, there's one very large church looking

517
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,359
over the town and we decided to go look at

518
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,599
it because it was an old church. That's Bally again,

519
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,240
bally Shannon, yes, and the you know, bally Shannon and

520
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,559
Donegal are very close to the Northern ire They're part

521
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,799
of the Republic, but they're close to Northern Ireland, which

522
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:33,119
means there is a heavy Protestant uhluence influence there. So

523
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,440
the church is in the area and that is something

524
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,359
I wasn't used to because I haven't been to Northern Ireland.

525
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,359
The churches in the area were not Catholic, they were

526
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,640
Church of Ireland anyway, so this was a Church of

527
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,920
Ireland church had a very very old UH cemetery and

528
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,440
we were walking around the cemetery. Town again, just the

529
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,799
two of us, just a two of us, and this

530
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,119
is not a touristy town, so there aren't a lot

531
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,440
of people there, aren't. There weren't any people there. She

532
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,000
saw she was in the churchyard as well, and I mean,

533
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,240
maybe I shouldn't make assumptions, but my I spoke to

534
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,599
my gay brother and his husband who were there that weekend,

535
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,039
and we described this woman and they were like, oh, no,

536
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,960
she was a lesbian. She had a pair of jords

537
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,119
on and a flannel shirt, and she had a butch haircut.

538
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,440
The way she looked at us and she was grace well,

539
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,240
and I want to say, yeah, yeah, when we have

540
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,519
traveled in the pit that has happened. That happens with

541
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,920
gay people. Sometimes you see each other in a setting

542
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,079
where there are clearly no other gay people, and you

543
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,559
sort of you either know or you So anyway, she

544
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,279
came up to us, and she was Irish and she

545
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,599
came up and she said are you Are you here visiting?

546
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:38,799
And she said it with a certain sense of wonder

547
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,799
because it really isn't the kind of town you visit.

548
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,640
And well he said yes, And she said, have you

549
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,400
seen the famine mound? And I said no, And so

550
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,839
she said, let me show you, and she walked us

551
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920
around to the back of the church. She wasn't a local,

552
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,039
she was actually visiting for the day as well. She

553
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,759
said her mother was from there. But she showed it

554
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:01,519
to us, and that you know, famine melms exist in

555
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,839
all over Ireland, but I'd never actually had one pointed

556
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,079
out to me. And it was, you know, a mass grave.

557
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,200
During the famine, they just would scoop up all the

558
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,359
Catholics and dump them in a mass grave behind their

559
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,119
beautiful church, English church. And she she relayed the whole

560
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,319
story to us in very bitter tones, and I was like, yes,

561
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,000
I hear you.

562
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 2: Sister, and the and sadly, you can't do much about it.

563
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:25,839
It's not like you can clean it up.

564
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,079
Speaker 1: And it's not a hill.

565
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a hill.

566
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: They put a rock on top of it, but there's

567
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,759
no monument, there's no nothing. And these are not uncommon.

568
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,480
You can find these in Irish towns anyway.

569
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: So it added some interesting, you know, perspective, and it

570
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,039
was nice that she pointed out. We thanked her very

571
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:46,759
much and anyway, so then, uh, after the wedding, we

572
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,359
all went back to Dublin. The rest of the family

573
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,039
flew back to Philadelphia, but we decided to stay a

574
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,000
few more days because we wanted to spend you know

575
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,599
a few more days in Doubling. And I love Doubling.

576
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,119
I think I love it.

577
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,599
Speaker 1: I think we had a lovely time there.

578
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,279
Speaker 2: We had a lovely time there, and we went to

579
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400
the Bleni Museum for the first time. We did things

580
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,599
that we hadn't done on our first trip because our

581
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,079
first trip we pretty much covered everything. But this time

582
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,839
we were like, all right, let's just go to places

583
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160
we haven't been before. The Bleni Museum. I highly recommend it.

584
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,240
It's one of the things we did.

585
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: Doublenia saying it so quickly. Double Nia Museum is the

586
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,839
Viking Museum.

587
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 2: Right next to the christ Church, which is my favorite

588
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:33,920
church in Dublin. Anyway, we had a wonderful time, wonderful time.

589
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,559
I want to thank the people of Ireland and Scotland.

590
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,079
The friendliest people have ever met my life. They're so sweet,

591
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,359
so nice, so friendly, at least to us again, and

592
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,559
we had a wonderful time.

593
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,279
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. All right, let's take another break and

594
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,200
when we come back. Here's what we're going to talk about.

595
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,519
We're going to quickly run through the Emmy nominations because

596
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,799
we're very behind on that. Then we're I'm sorry, I'm

597
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,319
rasping into this my microphone and I apologize, uh, And

598
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:06,160
then we're doing little House on the Prairie. Yes, we

599
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,079
actually watched it, and we have opinions. And then how's

600
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,079
of the Dragon House of the Dragon? Correct, we'll be

601
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,440
right back where back? And now we're going to jump

602
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,200
right into the Emmy nominations, which came out while we

603
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,079
were on vacation, and we promise you we were going

604
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,559
to have thoughts when we record their next podcast. So

605
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,839
here we go. First up, I'm thrill but Wire those

606
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,599
By got a historic number of nominations, and I hope

607
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,000
everybody sweeps.

608
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Now we'll talk about it.

609
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,039
Speaker 1: But anyway, what else that I'm not particularly interested in snubs,

610
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,359
although I am kind of happy that someone like Jeremy

611
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Allen White did not get nominated for the Bear because

612
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,559
that show was wildly over nominated. But you know, you're

613
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,880
just I also think it's good that Stranger Things did

614
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,359
not get any nominations because honestly, that final season sucked.

615
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,319
Speaker 2: I agree, but we had like what to k other

616
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,720
day age as usual, the you know, hacks and uh

617
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,720
snow horses.

618
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,319
Speaker 1: Pit of course, the pit, the pit, the pit, hacks, hacks, hacks.

619
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,480
I really don't want hacks to win anything. And I

620
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,839
know you must be furious that Meganstalter was nominated.

621
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just annoyed that every pretty much everybody,

622
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,680
yeah yeah, and they were annoyed that that, I forget

623
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,319
her name. The other actress who part of the office

624
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:20,720
didn't get nominated because.

625
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Jabby Hoffman, like, are you kidding me? I didn't think

626
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,359
any of those people deserve All right, let's steal a few.

627
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,359
Let's run through some of these. The nominations for Drama Series,

628
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,640
The Diplomatic, Gilded Age, and Night of the Seven Kingdoms, Paradise,

629
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,440
The Pit, Floribus, Slow Horses, Your Friends and Neighbors.

630
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:41,279
Speaker 2: Your friends and neighbors really right.

631
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,839
Speaker 1: The criticallly like it. I'd love love to see Slow

632
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,359
Horses get it because this show is I mean, I

633
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:52,559
think it's the critics love it, and I think it

634
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,359
has its audience, but it doesn't get the kind of

635
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,640
no that's juice that so many other shows get. I

636
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,000
understand why The Pit is nominated so much. It really

637
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:06,119
is an excellent show, much like Hacks was an excellent show.

638
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,160
But the problem with the Emmys is they over nominated.

639
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:12,640
They just overdo it. But I would not suggest that

640
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,000
they don't deserve this nomination.

641
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: It's a fine line, like you stop nominating them because

642
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,599
you know you want to nominate other people, you know,

643
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,359
even though they did a good job. You know, it's

644
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,200
it's a tricky situation. But at the same time, it's like,

645
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,240
I mean, how many times you know these people are

646
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:29,160
gonna get nominated.

647
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm surprised the Guilded Age got nominated. I really don't

648
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,000
think it's on the same level as some of these

649
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,880
other shows. I'm also pleasantly surprised that A Night of

650
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,240
the Seven Kingdoms was nominated, and happy to see the

651
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:44,480
sloribis there. Honestly, there's no one in this group that

652
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,960
I would be mad if they well, I know, actually

653
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:48,440
there's no one in this group I would be mad

654
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,680
if they want. If I had to pick which one

655
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,960
I want to win, I honestly, even though I love

656
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,559
Pluribus and I love A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms,

657
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,400
I would probably pick slow Horses that's shown deserves some recognition.

658
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,319
Speaker 2: In terms of deserving Yes, I see it's a little.

659
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: Horses, but I can't make a prediction as who as

660
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,320
to who's I mean, I think the pit is probably

661
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,239
the most likely. All Right, drama lead actress Cary kuon

662
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,280
the guilded Age Chase, Infinity, The Testaments. That's actually a

663
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,440
little surprising, but she was in the Best Picture Winner

664
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:24,039
last year. So that's what happens is with the Oscars,

665
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,400
you get a gloss on you and it's it starts

666
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,079
moving on to your next project. I mean, that's why

667
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,559
it's a big deal when people get nominated or when

668
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,360
people are in nominated films. It's very good for their career.

669
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,199
Speaker 2: That's why they do the Red Carpet, they do all

670
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,920
that stuff. Yeah, they get exposure.

671
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: All right. Carry kuon The Guildeage Chase, Infinity, The Testaments,

672
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,119
Carrie Russell, The Diplomat, Rayes Seahorn, Ploribus, Zendeia Euphoria. Why

673
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:53,079
do I feel like this is going to Zendaiya. Yeah,

674
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,800
because she's got so much buzz on her. It's the

675
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000
final season. They killed off her character, didn't they. Yeah,

676
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:03,599
so oh it's probably and they want her to show

677
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,679
up and they want her to bring Tom Holland with her.

678
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, hope Eckett.

679
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Who would I give it to? Well, I haven't seen

680
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,960
The Testaments. I haven't seen this season of The Diplomat.

681
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:19,280
I loved ray Seahorn and Plorabas right right. I don't

682
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,719
have a thought here. I think this is actually a

683
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,440
very limited It doesn't really get into it right now.

684
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,559
Speaker 2: I think I haven't watched. I don't like Pluribus, but

685
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,800
I think she deserves it. I mean she's great, she

686
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,039
is great in it, she really is. She's the whole

687
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:36,679
show pretty much. So yeah, i'd say her my choice,

688
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,199
all right, nots India at all anyway.

689
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,159
Speaker 1: Drama lead actor Sterling K. Brown Paradise, Gary Oldman, Slow Horses,

690
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:48,360
Mark Ruffalo, tesk rufus Sewell The Diplomat, Noah Wiley The Pit. Honestly,

691
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,320
I don't have a thought. I would give Gary Oldman

692
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,199
because I like that.

693
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: Show, Slow Horses, but I think I haven't.

694
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: Seen any of the other ones. I mean I saw

695
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:55,880
the Pit.

696
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: But The Diplomat is good, but I don't think it

697
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,559
is that great. I think season one was great, but

698
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,960
then it's all right now, Noah, It's gonna wain of.

699
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: Course, probably all right. Drama supporting actress Taylor Deared in

700
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,480
The Pit, Fiona d'Oro The Pit, Alis and Janny The Diplomat,

701
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:18,079
Katherine le Nassa The Pit, Sepidei Moaffi The Pit, Julianne Nicholson, Paradise,

702
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,559
Caroline Vidra, Ploribus.

703
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

704
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,599
Speaker 1: No, it's gonna be one of the one of the

705
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,679
book girls, of course. All Right. Drama supporting actor The Pit,

706
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,639
The Pit, The Pit, to Bit the Pit. Patrick Billy

707
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,719
crought up The Morning Show, Sean Hatosi, The Pit, Jaron Howell,

708
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,480
The Pit, Jack Lowdon Slow Horses, Tom Pelfrey, Task, Carlos,

709
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,679
Manuel Vega, Ploribus. I did love him in Ploribus. He

710
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,639
was really good.

711
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: Again, is this a less season of The Pit?

712
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: No?

713
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Jesus, here we go. I don't know.

714
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I again, I'm not

715
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,320
up on The Pit. I've watched it, but I I

716
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,400
haven't watched them. It's not much of the most.

717
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: It's not my kind of show. I know it's a

718
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,280
great show. I know. I know they do a great job,

719
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,400
but I don't know.

720
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm not into medical procedurals. I know it's very good.

721
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:06,760
I don't need people to tell me that I should

722
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,000
watch it. I did catch a few episodes. High quality work.

723
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:11,719
Good luck to all, I agree.

724
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: All Right.

725
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,079
Speaker 1: Comedy series Abbot Elementary, The Bear, The Bear, Please Hacks,

726
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,719
Marco's Got Money Troubles, nobody wants its only murders in

727
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,480
the building, Shrinking, Widow's Bay, wid Dose Bay.

728
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: I mean, if they don't give it to Widow's Bay,

729
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,079
I will scream Hacks.

730
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: Baby Now, Widows bake them on. I love Abbot Elementary,

731
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,800
they love the Bear, but Widows Bay is the most

732
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,840
inventive show of the year.

733
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: Margo's Got Money Troubles.

734
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get mad at that one. One.

735
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think about the show. I

736
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,079
think it's a great show. They're all very talented. But

737
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,679
all I can see is all I can say is

738
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,440
the actors, the actual actress performing.

739
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:48,039
Speaker 1: That's true. I mean, it's Nicole Kidman, it's El Fanning, It's.

740
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,159
Speaker 2: Maybe it's my Yeah, but I can't focus on the character.

741
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,360
Everything everybody looks like, yeah, a movie star. It's true,

742
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:55,800
all right.

743
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,559
Speaker 1: Comedy lead actress Quinta Brunson, Abbot Elementary, Aoa deb The Bear,

744
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,760
El Fanning, Marcus, Got Money Troubles, Lisa Kudra, the Comeback,

745
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,159
Jean Smart Hacks. You know what give us to Lisa Coudro.

746
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,480
I know that character has been it's been two decades

747
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,880
working on that character. Yeah, and yeah, it deserves the recognition.

748
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,000
It's really really good work. And it would be nice

749
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,159
to see someone other than Jean Smart win it. She's

750
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,239
going to win, or Quinta Brunson, She's going to win

751
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Smart again, all right, I would hate that actually, and

752
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,880
I love Jean Smart. She has snagged several many Emmys.

753
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,239
Five I don't think it's that many. Comedy lead actor

754
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,119
Yay Abdlomdine wonder Man, Steve Carell, Rooster, Matthew Reese Widow's Bay,

755
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,119
Jason Siegel Shrinking, Martin Short only murders in the building.

756
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,800
I really don't know how it doesn't go to Matthew. Yes, you,

757
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,480
he was high, hilarious shows so so so fun.

758
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Yes.

759
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,559
Speaker 1: Comedy Supporting actress Dale Dickey Widow's Bay, Hannah Einbinder Hacks,

760
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,519
Jennelle James Abbott, Elementary, Katio Flynn or Kate O'Flynn widows Bay,

761
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:06,239
Michelle fay for Marcus Cot money Troubles, Megan'stalter Hacks, Jessica

762
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Williams shrinking.

763
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: How on earth can you put h Megan Stalter in

764
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,400
the same case?

765
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:19,199
Speaker 1: Or Dale Dickey and Megan's Yeah, I'm sorry that. Listen.

766
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,199
I don't get angry about her the way Lorenzo does.

767
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,599
I think she has an appeal. I think she can

768
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,760
be very funny. I think her appeal is more limited

769
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,079
to like front facing camera video, you know, social media video.

770
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:35,920
She was very funny in that Millia. You give her

771
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,199
a script and a character to play, and I'm sorry

772
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,320
she comes off not on the same level as the

773
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,599
other actors, so to put, she's not an actress. Okay,

774
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,639
she's a comic. I don't even mind that performance all

775
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,239
that much, but I do not think that is an

776
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,880
acting award level performance. And I think it's insulting to

777
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,119
some of the other actors.

778
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Product of social media, and I'll stop at that.

779
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 1: Personally, I think Katie o' flynn should Yeah, I keep

780
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,599
saying Katie kat o flynn should be get widows, Bet

781
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,239
should get them. I can't a sentence should win. But

782
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,159
also Dale Dickey should win. I mean that that, you know,

783
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,559
dead baby dead monologue.

784
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Dead baby, dead baby, dead baby. Come on, that was brilliant. Yes,

785
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,000
that was hilarious, hilarious, So I'm happy.

786
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,159
Speaker 1: I just don't want Hannah Einbinder or Meganstallter to win this.

787
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,119
I just don't.

788
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: I hope it's Kate because every single episode she is phenomenal.

789
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,440
She is hilarious.

790
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, Yeah, Comedy supporting actor Coleman Domenico, the four seasons,

791
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,679
Paul w Down's hacks, Harrison Ford's shrinking, Nick Offerman, Marco's

792
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,760
Got Money trouble, Stephen root Widow's Bay, Michael Uri shrinking Tyler,

793
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,760
James williams Abbot ELAMANSI.

794
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: Again, Paul w Down, are you joking? He is not.

795
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,400
He's a big nothing on the show. I'm sorry, he's

796
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,440
a big nothing on the show.

797
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:05,159
Speaker 1: It's just I don't I'm not mad at those characters.

798
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,039
I don't mind them. I just do not think he

799
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,880
did anything that deserves an Emmy in terms of his acting.

800
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,480
I know he's the show creator and everything, but in

801
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,400
terms of that performance, I'm like, that's not an performance.

802
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: They just pick people like listen. I adore Coleman Domingo.

803
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,159
But the fourth season is a horrible show.

804
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: Apparently the second season was better, better.

805
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,039
Speaker 2: But it's a horrible show.

806
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: You know, so dated we're saying, but let's face it, it's

807
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,159
going to Harrison Ford.

808
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,039
Speaker 2: I do oh, oh really, oh yeah, I guess.

809
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: Well, he did win already, didn't that's true. No, he

810
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:42,199
won a Lifetime Achievement Award last year. Yeah, and you

811
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,679
know he's Yeah, he's old. He's old, and he's a legend,

812
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,360
so they'll.

813
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:48,599
Speaker 2: Probably get it for him.

814
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I'm scrolling through, scrolling through, I don't

815
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,400
know limited series lead TV movie lead actress Claire Dane's

816
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,320
The Beast and Me, Sally Field, remarkably bright creatures, Carrie Mulligan, Beef,

817
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,000
Sarah Pigeon love Story, Sarah Snook all her fault. I

818
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,400
have no opinion on any of these.

819
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: I think Sarah is gonna win because this love story,

820
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,519
Sarah picion. I have to say, Kerry Mulligan was phenomena in.

821
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,119
Speaker 1: Beef was a big question. You don't think it's going

822
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,119
to Sally Field. Maybe, yes, they're going to give it

823
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,199
to Sally Field and Harrison Ford, just so they get

824
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,079
those two legends.

825
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: The Beast in Me was terrible. It wasn't good at all.

826
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,159
So yeah, Beef, we didn't.

827
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,559
Speaker 1: I didn't even finish it. I did not like it

828
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:33,960
at all.

829
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:38,199
Speaker 2: I just didn't I like the performance, you know, individually.

830
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,760
But yeah, this season wasn't Great.

831
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: All Right, Limited Series TV movie lead actor Rizamed Bait,

832
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:50,039
Jason Bateman, Bateman, Black Rabbit, Charlie Hannah, Monster, The Ed

833
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,880
Guynes Story, Oscar, Isaac Beef, Matthew Reese, The Beast on

834
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,719
me again. I don't have a Oscar.

835
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,559
Speaker 2: Is actually good. And Charlie he was good. Charlie Hunt

836
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,159
he was good. I didn't like Monster, It's not my

837
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:07,800
kind of show, but he was insanely good. Yeah, that's it.

838
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,119
That's that those are my choice. Probably hate it's gonna win.

839
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,599
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna wrap it up. We're not going

840
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:14,840
to get anything like best Reality competition program.

841
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,079
Speaker 2: Oh, supporting actress since we did the actor, there's dakotea

842
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,679
of Fanny. You know you go.

843
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. Oh, I

844
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,880
thought I Limited Series TV movie, Supporting Actress. We'd actually

845
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,159
didn't do supporting, but I guess we'll do that. Linda

846
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:36,719
CARTERLINIY DT see the reason I haven't seen anything. Linda

847
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,800
Carterolini dt F Saint Louis, Dakota Fanning all her Fault,

848
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Laurie Metcalfe metcalf Monster, The Ed guine Story, Joyce Sunday

849
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:48,760
DTF Saint Louis hu Jung Yun Beef, Constant Zemmer love

850
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,840
story I'm sorry.

851
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Was very brief and and she she was all right.

852
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Linda CARLINI is very funny in DTF Saint Louis. I

853
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,280
watched the whole thing. Highly recommend it. It's a weird show,

854
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:00,679
but very good show.

855
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: All right. Limited series TV movie supporting actor Jason Bateman

856
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,960
dt F Saint Louis, Richard Got Halfman, David Harbor dt

857
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,599
F Saint Louis, Richard Jenkins, dt F Saint Louis, Charles Milton, Beef,

858
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:14,639
nick Offerman, Death by Light, Oh, nick Offerman. I loved

859
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:16,000
him in Death by Like Me.

860
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:16,599
Speaker 2: It was great.

861
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: He was so good in that.

862
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Again, Jason Bateman was great in DTF Saint Louis. Also

863
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,599
the weirdest show I have watched in a long time.

864
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:28,159
Half Man, but Richard God again, I don't know how

865
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,440
you pronounce his name is. He's very good at it,

866
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,599
but he's a weird My god, what a weird show. Yeah,

867
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,599
really f stop show. But he was good.

868
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy's got to work through his isshes. I

869
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:43,679
think instead of getting budgets for TV shows anyway that

870
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,679
can clude your thoughts on uh this year's Emmy nominations.

871
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,760
Let's jump right into Little House. I have a lot

872
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,599
of things I want to say right which I didn't

873
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:01,079
think I would. So Netflix has dined a remake of

874
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,320
Little House on the Prairie. I don't feel like I

875
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,719
need to explain this, but in I knew it was

876
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,320
an iconic, legendary pardon me television series in the nineteen

877
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,599
seventies and nineteen eighties, and Gen X and baby boomers

878
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:21,400
have some very very strong feelings about that that show,

879
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:27,119
those characters. When the show was announced, I was like, Okay,

880
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,280
I guess. I mean, I'm not opposed to them redoing it.

881
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,320
The old show it debuted over fifty years ago, went

882
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,280
off the air over forty years ago, and it really

883
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,280
isn't in reruns any I mean that you can find it,

884
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,840
but I don't think it's like part of the culture

885
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,800
the way it once was.

886
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: Right I Netflick announced and we put it on our site,

887
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,039
and I was like, well, that's kind of exciting Sometimes

888
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,760
a show I like, I don't mind having it redone.

889
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,760
The only thing I will scream if they redo it

890
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,880
is the sound of music. But that's the only movie no, no,

891
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,119
but anything else, yeah, why not? So I saw we

892
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,079
posted on our site the preview and all that, and

893
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,880
I was like, yeah, that looks interesting because what I

894
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,079
like about these remakes is that they have the money

895
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,280
and the technology to do something great. Right, you know,

896
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,719
it's gonna look better, it's going to look incredible, and

897
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,719
the costumes and the people and everything. So I'm I

898
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,519
always I'm always interested. And Netflick gave us the screeners

899
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,360
way back. I can't even remember when. So I watched

900
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,239
them a long time ago. I watched the whole thing

901
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,360
a long time ago, and then all of a sudden

902
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,159
we never heard about it anymore. I was like, why

903
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,599
is the Netflix taking so long to drop this? And

904
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:41,320
I was a little worried. I was like, it's that

905
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,800
because it's not good. They're trying to fix it or something,

906
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,920
because sometimes that happened. They dropped the screen iss so

907
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,000
that people can watch it and give their opinion and

908
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,519
they go back and fix it. But so I watched

909
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:54,719
it a long time ago, and then Tom wanted to

910
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,280
talk about it on the podcast. I was like, Oh,

911
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,920
let me rewatch the whole thing. And I have to

912
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920
say my second watch, I love the whole thing.

913
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,119
Speaker 1: Here's what I want to say. Okay, first off, I

914
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,760
don't have some sort of connection to the old show.

915
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,800
I watched it and when I was a kid. I'm

916
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,639
pretty sure I loved it when I was a kid,

917
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:15,559
but it's not something i've watched in the years since.

918
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,800
In fact, last night I went and I found I

919
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,880
watched an old episode just so I could have a

920
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:27,239
point of comparison to this, because no, I don't have like, oh,

921
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,800
I remember this one. I remember that. I mean, I

922
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,280
remember the episode where Mary went blind or whatever, but

923
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,360
I don't really.

924
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,159
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with the TV show, and that's my

925
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,079
point of reference. I love those characters, loved everything about it.

926
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean I did, but I don't have strong You

927
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,000
haven't watched that show in forty years.

928
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: Since, but I watched all the time, many times.

929
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: So I still remember my grandmother, who lived with us

930
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,679
when I was a kid, saying that she would have

931
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,239
kicked missus Olsen in the face. And my grandmother was

932
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,079
not someone who spoke that way, but she has hate

933
00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:01,440
that family and anyway, so when I and also, and

934
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,239
this might seem unusual for a boy for a man,

935
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
but I read all the books and the reason I

936
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,480
read all the books is because someone bought my one

937
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,199
of my sisters a box set.

938
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: And how many books, it's like, I don't know, I don't.

939
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: Know, seven or eight, and I was probably too old

940
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,840
for them. I think these were bought for my younger sisters.

941
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,519
But I was curious and no one was reading them,

942
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:28,199
and I picked up the one about her husband the

943
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,960
first before I picked up the other books. I think

944
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,519
it's like the third book in the series, and it's

945
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,280
about him growing up as a little boy on a farm.

946
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,239
So to me, you know, that was my entry into it,

947
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,199
and it was enjoyable, and I thought, all right, I'll

948
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:41,559
read the rest of them, and I did. I read

949
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:46,320
the entire series. Now again, I don't have strong memories

950
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,320
of the series, the book series. I remembered tearing through

951
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,400
them and finding them interesting enough, and it was a

952
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:57,239
nice way to compare what you to what you saw

953
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,599
on the TV show. I don't remember. Again, I was

954
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:06,280
still young. I was no more than a young teenager.

955
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,639
I don't remember having any revelation like, boy, these books

956
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:12,960
are kind of racist or anything like that. That was

957
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,119
something I had to learned about much later that that,

958
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:18,159
you know, Laura Ingles Wilder and her daughter Rose Wilder Lane,

959
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,599
who basically co wrote these books. First off, they had

960
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,199
very problematic politics. They were both libertarians, they were both

961
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:33,079
opposed to everything. Yeah, and part of the books, the

962
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:36,599
books were written partially in response to that. There was

963
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:41,559
a political component to how those books were written, and

964
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,239
that component is that they largely they didn't completely fictionalize

965
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,559
these accounts, but they cleaned them up, and they they

966
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,199
wanted to tell a specific story of heart of family

967
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,599
overcoming hardship all on its own without anybody's help a little,

968
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,960
and also scary Indians and scary black people.

969
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: Right. My understanding is that the first season of on Netflix,

970
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,039
it's based on the third book because Laura was too

971
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:09,960
young in the first and the second book, and they

972
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,679
wanted to have her a little older. That's my understanding.

973
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,360
I could be wrong. So there are eight books I

974
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:20,119
just checked. Maybe because it just obviously it's already renewed

975
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,920
for second season, maybe they'll do flashbacks and go back

976
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,079
to the first and the second book.

977
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Well, and so we'll say, why don't we take a

978
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,559
short break and we'll come back and get into the

979
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,320
actual series and how we feel about it. We'll be

980
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,599
right back. We're back talking about Little House on the Prairie.

981
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:42,239
So I didn't go into this. I didn't go into

982
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,920
this with much of anything. I didn't have a lot

983
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,039
of thoughts about it, even though yes, I had a

984
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,599
connection to the old TV show, I read the old books,

985
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,239
but this was very, very long a time ago, and

986
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,280
I would not count either one of those as formative

987
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,880
experiences for me. There are TV shows from my childhood

988
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,280
that are loom large in my memory, but Little House

989
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,840
is simply not one of them. I I watched it,

990
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,840
everybody watched it, but I just don't have a lot,

991
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
see I. I didn't come into it with, well, they

992
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:14,519
better do this and they better do that.

993
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,599
Speaker 2: Oh it was one of my favorite shows because I

994
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:19,239
also like western So the whole thing was, you know,

995
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,960
my thing. When I when Netflix announced the show, I

996
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:27,280
was I was curious. I was like, all right, uh,

997
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,280
how how are they going to do these stories without

998
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,519
sounding to racist? Or are they going to approach this

999
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,360
you know or the you know, how are they going

1000
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,519
to approach all these hot topics and the cast and

1001
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,239
all that, you know, how are they going to do it?

1002
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,119
So I was curious they couldn't just do the old

1003
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,280
version anymore.

1004
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: So here's my thing. It's not bad. Uh, It's a

1005
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:57,840
perfectly enjoyable family oriented drama. Uh, it's it's probably every

1006
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,760
once in a while I would get all up about

1007
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,599
some thing on the show, and then I realized I

1008
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:03,840
would pull back and go, you know, it really is

1009
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,840
meant for kids, Like this is a family drama. They

1010
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,400
are the lead character as a little girl. She is

1011
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,280
the entry character, the identification character. So yes, this show

1012
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,519
is in many ways meant for kids. So I have

1013
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:25,119
some complaints and criticism about it, but ultimately I would

1014
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,679
wind up describing a very different show. Here's my point.

1015
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,159
It's very pretty, and that is my main issue with

1016
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,119
it is that it is so pretty. And I did

1017
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:39,039
I went back to look at the old TV show

1018
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,719
because I was like, am I misremembering it? And the

1019
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,039
old TV show was fairly pretty as well. It was

1020
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,679
a very pretty vide. And when I say pretty, I

1021
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,679
mean there's a scene where thereby a creek the little

1022
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:54,880
girls and they're in white dresses with flower crowns, and

1023
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,360
I'm just like, Okay, everyone was filthy back then, Okay

1024
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,280
in that they were not, And I'm not suggesting they

1025
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,719
were rolling around in their filth. I mean, people wore

1026
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:12,719
clean clothes, people showered, you know, they didn't actually, but

1027
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:18,519
it's all white teeth and clean fingernails and shiny hair.

1028
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,400
And it was like that on the seventies TV show

1029
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,599
as well. So this is not a new complaint. But

1030
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,719
the show is very pretty. I mean, at one point

1031
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,880
there's like tablecloths and flowers in vases, and I'm like,

1032
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,920
these are pioneer people. They are living a subsistence level existence.

1033
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,719
There was a point in the first four or five

1034
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,039
episodes where I was and there's only eight episodes where

1035
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:45,519
I was like, well, hell are these people eating? What

1036
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,519
are they eating? Because they're not doing anything to put

1037
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,119
again food. And that would be a family of four

1038
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,119
on the prairie in eighteen seventy whatever every single day

1039
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,239
would be at to figure out what you're gonna eat

1040
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,159
that day, because you have to realize that the setup

1041
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,880
for there. They arrive in Independence, Kansas, they have nothing.

1042
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,880
They don't even have a house. They have a wagon

1043
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,639
with whatever they took with them. But he has to

1044
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,000
build a house and they have to figure out a subsistence,

1045
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,119
you know, some and the question of what they're eating.

1046
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,559
Isn't even answered until like the sixth or seventh episode,

1047
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,280
where suddenly a crop of corn springs up next to

1048
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,159
the house. We never saw him plant a single seed

1049
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,880
to you know, plow a field. Nothing. That work is

1050
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,440
backbreaking and it requires a team of people. But somehow

1051
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,679
he did that on all on his own in between episodes. Similarly,

1052
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,280
and this was actually when I enjoyed the series. I

1053
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,039
truly did, and I I don't think it's foolish to

1054
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,239
expect a certain level of realism as to the hardship

1055
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,199
of that life, even for a family drama for children.

1056
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,239
I think you can get into a little bit more

1057
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,960
of just how hard. There was a snow storm at

1058
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,000
one point, and they were all excited about the snow,

1059
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,599
and I'm like, no, no, these people would be freezing.

1060
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,679
Speaker 2: They would worry about whether they were.

1061
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: Going to survive it. There's no insulation, there's no heater.

1062
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,719
I don't even think there was a fireplace in that cabin.

1063
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,559
They had like a stove. Oh no, wait, they did

1064
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,519
have a fireplace. Yes, he built that whole cabin with

1065
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:26,360
him and this other guy. And that's the other thing.

1066
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,239
And this is the problem when you have stories with

1067
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,320
children in them, and you want that story to take

1068
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,039
place over a long period of time. I mean they

1069
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,280
showed up, He built a house, she took an entire

1070
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,440
pregnancy to term, had a baby, They grew an entire crop,

1071
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,880
and those little girls did not age a day. They

1072
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,840
looked exactly the same as they did in the first episode.

1073
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,519
And I'm like, it's got to be a year and

1074
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,239
a half later they would And that's asking for a

1075
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,039
different show. I'm asking for a show where they show

1076
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,360
dirty fingernails, where they show people freezing to death, where

1077
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,679
they show people wondering where they're gonna eat next. See

1078
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,039
that's what happened to her men, and where they recast

1079
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,559
the young actresses, you know, so to show that time

1080
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,079
has pit. But that's not what they're going to do.

1081
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,960
And I can make peace with that. But the Christmas

1082
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,440
episode was the episode where Caroline gives birth, and I

1083
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,320
was like, come the f on, just a couple you know,

1084
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,559
she breathes, She's not even a scene of her pushing,

1085
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,280
there's nothing. She's just like, I'm nervous, my sisters aren't here.

1086
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,400
I've never done this before. And then you hear baby crying,

1087
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,679
and all I could think not to be brutal here

1088
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,480
because they're in a one room cabin in the snow,

1089
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,480
and I'm just like, okay, that that bed would be messy.

1090
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,719
And i mean there's like a little white curtain and

1091
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,159
I'm like, that curtain would be splashed. Are you kidding me?

1092
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,079
Speaker 2: See, that's what happens when you watch a show with

1093
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:55,719
someone who went to film school.

1094
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, she's a woman on the prayer,

1095
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,960
a pioneer woman giving birth. You cannot even kids can

1096
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:05,679
handle that, you know what. That would be a hard situation.

1097
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,119
That would be a bad situation. Didn't even have to

1098
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:11,719
see it. But oh and that was the other thing.

1099
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,480
Because it was Christmas Day, of course a bunch of

1100
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:19,480
people showed up. Because I'll get into this that they

1101
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,840
treat the prairie like it's suburban New Jersey or something

1102
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,760
like that. At one point, the the little girl, good Eagle,

1103
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,119
the Native American girl, she's going into town for something

1104
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,679
and the mother is like, okay, i'll pick you up later,

1105
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,079
and I'm like, an Indigenous woman in eighteen seventy would

1106
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:41,559
never have uttered that sentence. It's just not how i'll

1107
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,679
pick you up? What in her car.

1108
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: Anyway.

1109
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: Yes, So at Christmas Day, everybody shows up near hours

1110
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,159
after Caroline gave birth, and she is walking around, she's

1111
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:57,519
holding a dinner, she's sitting at a table. I'm like,

1112
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,000
that woman would not have left bed for like three days,

1113
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,000
are you kidding me? And she would not have had

1114
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,079
any visitors. People are coming in from a snowstorm to

1115
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,719
a newborn baby. And I realized that, you know, they

1116
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,679
didn't know things about germs and shit like that, but

1117
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,760
come on, and that's when they lose I told you

1118
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,679
I le to say about this show, and that's when

1119
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:21,280
they lose me. I'm like, I know it's a fantasy.

1120
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:26,079
I know it has to be prettified for people. I

1121
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:29,960
get it, But there you don't. I mean, you could

1122
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,199
at least acknowledge that giving birth in that situation is

1123
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,280
extremely dangerous and messy. You don't have to show everything

1124
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,880
but to completely gloss over it. Similarly, like, I realize

1125
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,639
we have to go with a fantasy here, and somehow

1126
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:50,440
he's feeding his family of four, but we need to

1127
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,159
see him planting. We need to see him doing some

1128
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,119
of that farming work, because even a city boy like

1129
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,639
me knows that is backbreaking work. That would take months, Like,

1130
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:03,280
you can't do that off camera. You have to acknowledge it, right.

1131
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,840
There was a scene, there was an episode where the

1132
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,960
whole family had fever, and you know, you're watching this

1133
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,360
episode and pardon me, I do want to acknowledge that

1134
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,639
the show does acknowledge that there's hardship here. You know,

1135
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:26,559
people get exposed to things. There's danger, there's wolves, and

1136
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:29,039
there's you know, all kinds of stuff. There's that the

1137
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:30,880
guy goes down to the bottom the well and he

1138
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:31,880
almost dies.

1139
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: But it's dealt with very quickly.

1140
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,199
Speaker 1: It's all dealt with very quickly, very clean, it is.

1141
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:41,320
And the one where they all had the fever, I'm

1142
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,960
watching it and I'm thinking, well, no one in this

1143
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,079
cabin is going to die because they're all the they're

1144
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,760
the Ingles family. I know they're going to live. So

1145
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,960
all the drama goes out of that scene. And it

1146
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:54,320
made me realize, you know, and I think the old

1147
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,880
show did this. You can't kill off the Ingles family.

1148
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,599
You can't put them through too too much because they

1149
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:03,320
are the lead characters. Yes, Mary goes blind and I

1150
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,400
think Caroline loses a baby or whatever, but you can't

1151
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,320
have them go through too much because they're the leads.

1152
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,000
So in that instance, what you do, and like I said,

1153
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,239
I think the old show did this is you put

1154
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:20,480
other characters through shit to show how bad things could get.

1155
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:25,639
And that was the thing with that fever episode. I

1156
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:27,840
was like, you know, I need to see a cabin

1157
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,079
of dead people, right so that now I'm worried that

1158
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:32,920
this will happen to the Ingles, like they had that

1159
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,400
doctor going around and like they could have just had

1160
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,440
a scene where he comes upon a family and they

1161
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,239
all died, and then everything that's happening and the Ingles

1162
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:45,000
family cabin becomes that much more. And that's the thing.

1163
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:47,440
The show never wants to get to that point. It

1164
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,159
brings certain things up, but it never really engages with him.

1165
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1166
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry everyone. So here's where we bring up the

1167
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:04,280
indigenous question. The way the show, you know, focused on

1168
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,840
the Indigenous people, the way I mean the old show

1169
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,800
never did. The books were racist as hells during the Indigenous.

1170
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,159
Speaker 2: I don't remember did they have did they have a

1171
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,039
black people in in the on the TV series? I

1172
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:15,920
don't remember that.

1173
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: Yes they did. True, and actually doctor Tanner is a

1174
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,880
real character from the books. There was a black doctor

1175
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:22,679
in an Independence.

1176
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: I see. I never read the books, but that's interesting.

1177
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:26,559
Speaker 1: I think.

1178
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to introduce those characters.

1179
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: I think it's admirable. I think it's the correct choice.

1180
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,199
I think they there's no way to write that all

1181
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,519
like all the white people in Independence are stealing land

1182
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:44,079
from the Osage, and right, the original TV series as

1183
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:47,519
well as the books, never really acknowledged that. But this series,

1184
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:52,480
the entire season is that's the main question is how

1185
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,679
are we going to live with these people? And do

1186
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,400
we even have the right to live here? And are

1187
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,559
they going to stay or is the government going to

1188
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:03,079
force them out? So and I'm glad the show wrestled

1189
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:06,320
with these things, but in the end only one thing

1190
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,000
could happen, which is that the Osage all get forced out.

1191
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:11,599
And you have to somehow do that in a way

1192
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:14,400
that doesn't make the Engles family look like monsters, right,

1193
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,480
And they kind of flub it on that they.

1194
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,519
Speaker 2: Introduced to subjects. But but you know, but it's very

1195
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:23,239
lightly like the whole thing when when two Native American

1196
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,079
men robbed them, robbed them and got into the cabin,

1197
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:28,880
you know, and did what they did.

1198
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,599
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that's from the books.

1199
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know historically that they you know, a

1200
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,960
lot more happened in those situations. But of course they're

1201
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,920
not going to do any any scene like that.

1202
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,199
Speaker 1: But that is a scene from the books. And they didn't,

1203
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,320
you know, they didn't beat them or rape them. In

1204
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,880
the books. According to Laura, they came, they stole some

1205
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,239
things in the left and what the series does is

1206
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,920
they And that's actually a scene apparently in the pilot

1207
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,840
episode of the original series. They it's it's the men

1208
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,960
come into the cabin and steal things, but it's stayed

1209
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:03,679
out in this version because the men are given dialogue, right,

1210
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:06,800
and that dialogue is the two of them discussing how

1211
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,119
these white people have stolen everything from them, have hunted

1212
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:13,679
their meat, have chopped down their trees. And that's the

1213
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,599
admirable part here, is that they are giving voice to

1214
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:20,079
the o sage and they're not making it, you know,

1215
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,760
entirely about the white people's perspective. They also, I thought

1216
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:29,719
this was admirable, made Caroline a little racist. She gets

1217
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:33,440
over it very quickly, and she becomes this paragon of

1218
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:36,280
racial equality by the end of the season. And I

1219
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,480
did not find it believable at all. But I like

1220
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:43,000
that they at least allowed her to have that moment

1221
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,199
that felt like, all right, well, she sounds like a

1222
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,159
nineteenth century moment, and she sounds a little racist.

1223
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: A little hint there because when they ask who's the

1224
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,199
other students? Who else she's she's teaching and she doesn't

1225
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:56,639
say right, So that yeah.

1226
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: They also allowed the Charles at least early on in

1227
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,079
the story in the season. If you've ever read the books,

1228
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:06,960
or if you've ever actually, if you've read about them,

1229
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,000
and there have been books written about the Ingles family

1230
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,920
that weren't written by Laura Ingleswilder, he was a loser

1231
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,480
and he was an idiot, and he was a really

1232
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,199
irresponsible man who put his family through hell, and they

1233
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,800
bounced around from state to state to state, and he

1234
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,199
had crops fail and he had houses burned down, and

1235
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:31,000
he just wasn't a stable man. And the show wrestles

1236
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:35,400
with that a little bit. They first off, he makes

1237
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,280
some choices and like, what are you an idiot? Like?

1238
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,440
He makes some choices that seem a little reckless and everything,

1239
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:45,199
and the season, the story takes him to task more

1240
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,519
than once for not being honest with his family. His

1241
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:50,360
daughter takes him to task word his wife.

1242
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,159
Speaker 2: Things from his wife.

1243
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: So they allow him to be they allow her to

1244
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,320
be a little racist and him to be a little stupid,

1245
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,800
but they really don't take it far they I mean,

1246
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,480
obviously they can't. You can't have lead characters that are

1247
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,920
dumb and racist. You have to sort of teach them

1248
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:08,480
a lesson. So everything sort of gets glossed, everything gets washed,

1249
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,880
and you know, so, yes, we're talking about the play

1250
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,079
to the Indigenous, we're talking about the os Age being

1251
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:16,039
forced out, but we're doing it in such a way

1252
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,360
so that Caroline and Charles feel bad, you know, and

1253
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,840
this is just anist, but they're still going to What

1254
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,480
I loved is how they ended it this season. Yes,

1255
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,679
because here's the thing. The Ingles family in the books

1256
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:34,039
bounced around all over the place. They you know, the

1257
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,440
the TV series in the seventies and eighties, it kept

1258
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:39,599
it was like nine or ten seasons of them living

1259
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:42,480
in one place, and that wasn't always the case with them.

1260
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:46,320
The books were all over the place. They moved at spoiler,

1261
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,320
the season ends with them leaving. And I didn't think

1262
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,960
they were going to do it, like literally right up

1263
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,440
until the end. I was like, they're not going to

1264
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,480
do it, They're not going to be bold enough to

1265
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,480
do it. But they did it because they introduced all

1266
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,800
these side characters, all these people in the town, and

1267
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,599
all of them are gone. Now that I do love.

1268
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,239
That's very true to the pioneer existence.

1269
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,199
Speaker 2: I was very happy with that because I was like,

1270
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,400
I was kind of fall in love with those people

1271
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,519
in a way, and then we're not going to see

1272
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:13,039
They're not going to see them going to be introduced

1273
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:14,079
to a new group of people.

1274
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they So the season ends with them and

1275
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,639
they're supposedly heading to Walmut Grove, which is where the

1276
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,239
TV series was set, and they show the ols in

1277
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,559
general stores, so obviously they're going to have the Uls.

1278
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:27,719
I think they were already cast, but they can't wait.

1279
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: They can't wait to see them family.

1280
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:34,119
Speaker 1: But it's it's a perfectly pleasant show. I think it's

1281
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,920
perfectly it's perfect for kids, like I would recommend this

1282
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,360
to anyone who your family, who if you want some

1283
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,360
family time, this is a good show. My criticisms are

1284
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,039
because I would have enjoyed a grittier, more realistic take

1285
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,559
on things, but that's clearly not what this show is

1286
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:54,719
meant to be, so taking it on its own terms,

1287
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:59,000
it's a pleasanter version. The men are hot.

1288
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: The men what I was like, what the hell?

1289
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't remember all the men on the old show

1290
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,800
being this, But every time I turned around, well, you

1291
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,280
know why because they shot this in Canada, so it's

1292
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,480
all these hot Canadian actors, you know, playing like pioneer men.

1293
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:16,719
But yeah, there's a lot of really good looking looking yes,

1294
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,199
and that's it. That's our thoughts on Little House recommended,

1295
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,679
but only if you want light entertainment, if you're looking

1296
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:26,559
for pioneer life or anything like that, I'm sorry. It's

1297
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:31,159
not what I like in it. Too is the original

1298
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:34,280
nineteen eighty five Anne of green Gables. That's what it

1299
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,719
reminded me most of in terms of its esthetic. And

1300
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,119
I don't think that aesthetic works for this because Anti

1301
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:43,880
green Gables was not about pioneer people and subsistence living.

1302
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,280
It was about people who had a pretty nice life

1303
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,000
so you could pritify it. That was my issue with

1304
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,679
this version is that it's too too pretty. And the

1305
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,800
thing about the Anna green Gables connection, I think that

1306
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,639
was very deliberate. And in the episode where they have

1307
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,840
the fever. Laura has a hallucination where she sees her grandmother.

1308
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,199
And I watched that scene and I'm like, who is

1309
01:08:09,199 --> 01:08:11,400
that woman? Because they really seemed to focus on the

1310
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,559
grandmother who came out of nowhere. And it turns out

1311
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:18,159
that's Megan Follows, who was Anna green Gables. I did

1312
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,600
not recognize her because forty some odd years had passed

1313
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,600
and she's old enough to play a grandmother now. But

1314
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,239
when I realized that was her and it was a cameo,

1315
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:28,399
she's uncredited in it, I was like, all right, so

1316
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,840
this is deliberate. You don't give someone like that a

1317
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,359
cameo unless you were making a statement about what kind

1318
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,479
of show you're making. And this, Yeah, she's kind of

1319
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,920
passing the torts from that show to this one. And

1320
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,199
that's fine. I would have liked, like I said, dirty

1321
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:48,039
fingernails and you know, dry hair.

1322
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 2: And blood splashed all over buring bed.

1323
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, damn it, bare lest. She couldn't scream a

1324
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,680
little bit, she couldn't make it. Oh my god, she's

1325
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,399
walking around in a dressing gown an hour later, taking

1326
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,079
people in and serving them. I don't know. Rabbit stew on.

1327
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: Christmas Day, Oh please, all.

1328
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: Right, another break and we'll be back and we'll wrap

1329
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,640
up by talking about game. I'm not Game of Thrones.

1330
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,600
House of the Dragon. We are back and we have

1331
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,319
three episodes of House of the Dragon to get through.

1332
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,359
We just talked about this while the mics were off,

1333
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,840
because you know, we went away on vacation. We have

1334
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,199
not We had to catch up on three episodes by

1335
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,720
last night. There's no way we can just recap all three.

1336
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,760
We would be here for another hour and a half.

1337
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: However, I have to say I really enjoyed them.

1338
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: I am enjoying this season quite a bit. My initial

1339
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:48,680
complains about this season are mostly dealt with, except for one,

1340
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,600
which I will get to. But the clarity of the

1341
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,520
writing is I'm very grateful for because it is very

1342
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,640
easy to keep track of what's going on. And when

1343
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,560
the season started, I was like, I have no idea,

1344
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,479
I can't remember. It's been eleven years since I watched

1345
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,960
an episode. But they're doing a very good job of

1346
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,039
bouncing around from location to location. And when Game of

1347
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:14,039
Thrones was really hitting, when it was on all cylinders,

1348
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:15,800
when it was at its best, this is what it

1349
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,159
was like. They sent characters off in all these different

1350
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:22,359
directions exactly, and you were able to follow along on

1351
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:23,439
each of their journeys.

1352
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: So I like kind of like Lord of the Rings too,

1353
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,760
you know, like the different stories going on at the

1354
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,720
same time, different parts of the planet very much.

1355
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: So one of the things. You know, it was a

1356
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,880
shock when the season great basically started with when you

1357
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,760
were taking the Throne. I did not think they were

1358
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,720
going to go directly to that. But by the end

1359
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,600
of last night's episode, I realized, you know, we are

1360
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,479
in the endgame here. There's only another season after this.

1361
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,359
There's only like really, yeah, there's only like I don't know,

1362
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,680
ten eleven episodes left to tell this story. And if

1363
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,359
I mean, I'm not I don't think I'm spoiling anything

1364
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:06,520
by suggect. If you've seen Game of Thrones, then you

1365
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,920
have to realize this story is going to end badly

1366
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:12,600
for almost everybody in the story. So we are heading

1367
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,079
towards the endgame, and I'm feeling that sense of doom, like,

1368
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,199
oh wow, this is not going to work out. What

1369
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:25,159
I like about Rhanira's reign is and you know, we

1370
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,199
can unpack this. In fact, this is something I think

1371
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,439
we should unpack rather than trying to recap the whole thing.

1372
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,319
There's a lot of discussion this season among critics that

1373
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:39,199
the show is doing a very good job, of course,

1374
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:45,399
correcting on the basically the Danaris story from Game of Thrones,

1375
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,239
which is largely considered they fucked up that story. They

1376
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:50,880
never got that character to the point where her going

1377
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,119
crazy made sense. Her heel turn at the in the

1378
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:59,079
final two episodes was considered poorly handled.

1379
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:01,359
Speaker 2: Well, people are making the connection that this one is

1380
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:02,520
going crazy too. Well.

1381
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,079
Speaker 1: That's my point is that I think a lot of

1382
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:07,800
a lot of critics are pointing out they are actually

1383
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,920
doing the Danera story correctly this time, right, and they

1384
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,960
So it's interesting to watch Rhaniera And I gotta say,

1385
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,680
Emma Darcy Man, holy shit, they are going to get

1386
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,720
nominated for this season, and I really really hope they

1387
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,039
win because the work they're doing, the subtlety of the

1388
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:28,319
work that they're doing as well as the more powerful

1389
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:32,880
still like when her son dies, you know, yeah, yeah,

1390
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:36,079
well I'm not getting into that again. The actor is

1391
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:37,159
non binary, but the.

1392
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: Character is well we do anyway.

1393
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:46,399
Speaker 1: Anyway. Uh So I like that Rhinera is not a

1394
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:46,920
good queen.

1395
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,319
Speaker 2: No, she's terrible.

1396
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:51,159
Speaker 1: She's not good at it. And this is kind of

1397
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,840
what I want to unpack, Like when you look at

1398
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,079
the story of the Dance of the Dragons and the

1399
01:12:56,079 --> 01:13:00,479
Song of Ice and Fire, Ultimately these stories come down

1400
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,760
to queen's in a patriarchal system. It was Seriously and

1401
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,039
Denaris and Sansa at the end of Game of Thrones

1402
01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:15,399
all trying to exert power, and now it's Rhinia, and

1403
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,960
prior to her, it was Allison exerting their power, and

1404
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,159
the series, both series the franchise seems to be coming

1405
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,960
down on the you shouldn't let women rule because a

1406
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:29,560
bad at it, Like that's the story over and over

1407
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,960
and over again. Now obviously that's not what the story

1408
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:36,920
is saying. What the story is saying is that women

1409
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,119
are not able to rule in a patriarchal system. There

1410
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:44,039
are so many forces against them, and they are not

1411
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:46,680
And this is what I think is coming with Ryania.

1412
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,159
And what they didn't make clear enough with Deanaris is

1413
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:57,319
that maybe she deserves to rule, maybe she could have

1414
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:00,199
been a great queen, but literally nobody trained her. She

1415
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:03,640
has no training and she does not know what This

1416
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,560
was very true of Danaris, even though it wasn't as

1417
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,920
articulated with her, and it's much more articulated with right mirror,

1418
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,039
where you can see she does not know what the

1419
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:17,560
hell she's doing and no one trained her to do it. No,

1420
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,359
And she's very stubborn too, So there is stubborn. There's

1421
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:22,319
a lot of stubborn and there's a lot of pride there.

1422
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:25,039
Speaker 2: And like the whole thing about the coronation, like it

1423
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:28,840
was just lady, people are dying, right, People are hungry

1424
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,680
out there. They're mad at you. Everybody's angry at you,

1425
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,720
and you want to, you know, have a celebration. So yeah,

1426
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,039
that kind of stuff. And nobody's guiding her there. Some

1427
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:41,720
are afraid of her, some don't care, some are rooting

1428
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,640
to that she fails. It's interesting. That dynamic is interesting.

1429
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,279
I think my favorite character actually is Alison. I think

1430
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:53,279
she she's evil, she's oldad, but she understands.

1431
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: I love Olivia Cook's performed. Yes, she understands. Alison is

1432
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,199
an asshole, right, but I do of her performance. Here's

1433
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,399
that's This was the criticism I had about the show

1434
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,239
going into the season, and I still have this criticism.

1435
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,319
I didn't read the books that this is based on,

1436
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:15,399
but I've read the summaries, and I know where the

1437
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,880
story goes, and I know what Martin's intention was for

1438
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:26,399
these characters. And Alison and Rainier are unquestionably bad people

1439
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:30,399
in the writing of these stories, and the show does

1440
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,840
not want to commit to that, and I guess the

1441
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,239
thinking is, well, we have to.

1442
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 2: Give them a little bit of a soul, Yeah, I guess,

1443
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:39,119
because like.

1444
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:44,119
Speaker 1: So with Raniira, she's a bad queen, but it's because, oh,

1445
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:45,920
there's so many forces against her, and she doesn't know

1446
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,279
what she's doing. It's not because she's an evil bitch,

1447
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,479
but she kind of is an evil bitch. I'm sorry,

1448
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:52,319
I'm gonna I.

1449
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:54,359
Speaker 2: Mean, the thing is with Alison, for example, I mean

1450
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,399
she's offering her kids to be slaughtered, you know, I mean,

1451
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,479
that's how evil she is. And right, but even that,

1452
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,640
they it's a whole yeah, yeah, yeah. She's so conflicted

1453
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,520
and she's so scared and she's just trying to protect

1454
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,600
Helene or whatever it is. And with right Nira, like

1455
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,800
her guards go out and they slaughter people because she

1456
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,479
told them to go out and handle the graffiti that

1457
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,399
was being written aboutter But it's presented like, oh, sir,

1458
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,680
Luther took her her you know, her orders too far,

1459
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:28,079
and she didn't mean it like they.

1460
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: Are actually saying no, no, She she there should be yes.

1461
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,079
She should be sitting on the throne saying I want

1462
01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:37,119
these people dead, right because that's who that that character

1463
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:39,359
would make more sense.

1464
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,199
Speaker 2: Right she and and you can tell that that's what

1465
01:16:41,279 --> 01:16:43,640
she wants. I mean, she's she's evil. She makes to

1466
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,960
you know, she she wants him to do the thing

1467
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:49,079
she tells them to do. But I I don't know,

1468
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:53,319
it just feels like they're making again. It's it's pretty

1469
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:56,119
much every show I think in general. They want you

1470
01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:58,520
to have both sides. They want you to have that

1471
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:03,079
person making evil comments. But at the same time, oh,

1472
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:06,720
she's questioning her decisions. She's questioning what she's gonna do

1473
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,960
or she's doing. And you can see that, I mean,

1474
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:13,760
like you can see those two ladies talking. For example.

1475
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:17,399
Speaker 1: I apologize for that. We had to cut the mics

1476
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,359
because I was about to explode into a coughing fit

1477
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:25,399
into my microphone. It's fascinating. I am literally getting sicker

1478
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,239
over the course of this podcast. If you rewind to

1479
01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:30,199
the beginning of it, I probably sound a lot better

1480
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:31,960
than I do right now, and I think we need

1481
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,319
to wrap this up because I'm getting sick. So yes, Ryanira,

1482
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,079
I would. I really think Emma's doing an amazing job.

1483
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,920
I like that the show has allowed this character to

1484
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,800
be a bad queen, although I do think it raises

1485
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,520
questions about does this story have an issue with women

1486
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,399
taking power? But I really wish they would make her evil.

1487
01:17:56,399 --> 01:17:58,800
As you said, they kind of dance around it with

1488
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,840
Alison that she is obviously not a good mother, but

1489
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,680
they again it's all like, well, forces have made her.

1490
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,760
You know, she had to sleep with Vizaras and all

1491
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,199
of that's true. I'm not taking that away from it.

1492
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,800
But I really just wish they would let these two

1493
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:18,520
main characters be horrible, horrible people, because the story would

1494
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,520
actually make much more sense if they were.

1495
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I mean it. It would make more

1496
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:29,560
the decisions would make more sense the and and you'd

1497
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,800
have a better point of view.

1498
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: I think, as I asked, the show struggles with trying

1499
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,439
to make both of them like heroines of a sort

1500
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,399
and like they're not heroines. Everything they've done from the

1501
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:40,920
beginning of the story has been awful.

1502
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,119
Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, everyone, everyone is horrible in

1503
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:45,520
this show, every single one of them.

1504
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,279
Speaker 1: Ormond High Tower, Oh my.

1505
01:18:47,359 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: God, I was not expecting that at all. Yeah, I

1506
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:55,039
thought he was just a not not necessarily psycho God's idea.

1507
01:18:56,119 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: The show was very good at doing these evil characters

1508
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,279
that you just want to want. You just want to

1509
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:03,600
watch that guy because he's crazy and evil, and of course.

1510
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:07,279
Speaker 2: He's the costume James Norton looks amazing. The costume is point.

1511
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: Right near her and and Alison are not given that

1512
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:15,760
opportunity to be these raging bitches, like seriously, was like that,

1513
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,880
Like she was the most hated character on the old show,

1514
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,119
but people also loved her.

1515
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:24,279
Speaker 2: Oh the Ormond called called her a bitch with with

1516
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,119
a bit with a dragon, a bitch with a dragon.

1517
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: But yes, that's my point. He's great. He's one of

1518
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,760
the best new things about the series. Also still loving

1519
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,319
Alice Rivers the Witch's phenomenon. She love her and they

1520
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:42,239
actually had her doing some like slightly magical stuff.

1521
01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: Do you think she's an actual goat or she turns

1522
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:45,520
into a goat?

1523
01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:50,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but they are letting her. They don't.

1524
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,479
They don't use magic all that much in these in

1525
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:59,000
these stories. Uh, they're very you know, circumspect about how

1526
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,439
they use it. But I'm glad that they let her

1527
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,119
be a little magical in this one. All right, who

1528
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:09,479
else Baila and her uncle look like they're about to

1529
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,119
get together.

1530
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,399
Speaker 2: I think the whole thing with is that Raina and

1531
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,960
the dragon when when Damon found her, you know, yeah,

1532
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,720
that was a really good that was an interesting thing.

1533
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,520
I don't know, he became too fatherly.

1534
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: He had no relationship, he had no relation with her.

1535
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: And he's a horrible person, so that was a little

1536
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,199
too sweet for me. I agree, But again, you know,

1537
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,640
she I'm curious. I mean, apparently there's more to it

1538
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,039
that that's gonna happen with her and the dragon outle death,

1539
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:41,039
So I'm curious about that.

1540
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's so much that happened in the

1541
01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:48,640
last three episodes that I am I I'm trying to

1542
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,880
pick and choose what we're talking about.

1543
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,119
Speaker 2: I do think the whole thing with Corlis and and

1544
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:54,680
the fact that you know, yeah, well she pissed him

1545
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:55,680
off again.

1546
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: Oh, she's so conflicted and she doesn't want to know.

1547
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,600
Just let her be a bit like she's not gonna

1548
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,239
do it because she's a hypocrite and a bit Yeah,

1549
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,279
and she mistreats her allies.

1550
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,119
Speaker 2: I do like that he pointed that out, that pointed

1551
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:11,680
out that her kids are all bastard.

1552
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's so conflicted and she feels bad and no, no,

1553
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:18,199
just let her be a bad character. The show works

1554
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:20,680
better when she is, and I think that's why I'm

1555
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,760
enjoying this revelation that she's not good at her job.

1556
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:28,119
Speaker 2: I also saw the scene with the rat banquet was

1557
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:29,039
also interesting.

1558
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: It was I saw that coming a million miles away,

1559
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,039
but yes, it was. And I mean, but again, it's like,

1560
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:38,119
well that was kind of crazy ast thing to do,

1561
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:41,239
but you know it's crazy she's but it's justified because

1562
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:44,760
those people and the people are starving in the streets,

1563
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,600
and she cares about the small folk and they're trying

1564
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:48,960
to do way too much of that stuff.

1565
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:51,159
Speaker 2: I think she I don't think she cares at all.

1566
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:53,640
I mean, that's my point of these. Either the show

1567
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,640
wants you the show wants you to be questioning that,

1568
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,880
But to me, it's very clear. She is very manipulative.

1569
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,039
You know, she forces people to do things, and then.

1570
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: She she's ungrateful all the white She's basically imprisoning off

1571
01:22:07,039 --> 01:22:08,880
in the red Keep. He's not allowed to go out

1572
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,119
to saloons or taverns anymore. So they're getting there, but

1573
01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:17,800
they're still like an they're gonna do like a denarous

1574
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,399
moment where she just snaps and finally goes. And you

1575
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,239
could have just made her an asshole from the beginning,

1576
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:25,760
like you toyed with this, and you could have made

1577
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,680
her a villain from the beginning. Same thing with Allison.

1578
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,079
I think the story is much more engrossing when these

1579
01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:36,039
two villainous women are at the center of it. But

1580
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:38,399
they wanted to tell a story about the patriarchy, and

1581
01:22:39,359 --> 01:22:41,640
I get it. I'm not opposed to it, but it

1582
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:44,720
removes a lot of the teeth from the story.

1583
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: I thought also that she believed very quickly that that

1584
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:52,720
skull was the was the person who killed her her son.

1585
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,399
Speaker 1: I mean to me that what else is she supposed

1586
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:54,960
to believe? You know?

1587
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:58,159
Speaker 2: But I wish we had a scene where she questioned

1588
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:00,680
a little bit more, or you know, went too quick.

1589
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that's going to play out late. I'm

1590
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:04,840
sure we're not done with that.

1591
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: I also like the whole thing with Alison and what's

1592
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,720
her name, Miss Mercer, miss Aria. Sorry, yeah, I think

1593
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,119
that was interesting that they might I don't know, join forces.

1594
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:18,399
Speaker 1: I wish I could say I like that actress, but

1595
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,119
I don't think she's good in that role at all.

1596
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1597
01:23:22,279 --> 01:23:24,079
Speaker 1: I just don't think she is. I've seen her in

1598
01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:26,960
other things, but you have. She was in Crazy Rich

1599
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,640
Asians Rights The Bride, Oh my god, yes, yeah, but

1600
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,840
I just didn't like her. I just don't like her

1601
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,800
in this. I don't think she's very believable. But yeah,

1602
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,399
we'll see. Right now, Allison just trapped in a secret

1603
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,840
passageway with her daughter, so who knows if she's getting

1604
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:43,319
out of there.

1605
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,560
Speaker 2: And I also like the whole thing with the actual king,

1606
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,079
you know, Egon? Right?

1607
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I do like and Amon is actually really great. Yes, uh,

1608
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,319
first off that I kind of love Agon right now,

1609
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:01,600
he's even though he's well, this is my point, he's

1610
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,279
an asshole, but you can enjoy watching it.

1611
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 2: It's behaving like an asshole. This is spoiled.

1612
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: They need to let right Near and Alison be assholes

1613
01:24:09,119 --> 01:24:15,359
because Egan and Amon are and even uh, what's Matt

1614
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,359
Smith's characters name?

1615
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: Right Near?

1616
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,399
Speaker 1: And oh Damon is it, Damon, Yeah, they're all assholes.

1617
01:24:21,399 --> 01:24:24,399
They let Amen be horrible assholes, and they're some of

1618
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,880
the best characters on the show anyway. Yes, Egon and

1619
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,800
Laris the strong and their various struggles. I don't think

1620
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,479
his together. I don't think his dragon is dead. No,

1621
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,399
I mean they're making it. They're hinting very strong.

1622
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,399
Speaker 2: Oh spoiler, he's not.

1623
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: You probably shouldn't have said that.

1624
01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's in the books anyway, right, well, we're not

1625
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:48,000
talking about them, but anyway, and also they might not

1626
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:51,399
go with that, but apparently the dragon is not dead.

1627
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:51,960
All right.

1628
01:24:52,319 --> 01:24:54,199
Speaker 1: Don't yell at me, everyone yell at Lorenzo.

1629
01:24:54,319 --> 01:24:57,399
Speaker 2: He just by watching a bunch of.

1630
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: Let's get all these mics before we do anything, before

1631
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,560
I hack into them or you give anything else away?

1632
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:06,960
Do you have anything else you want to say about

1633
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,279
the show?

1634
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:12,079
Speaker 2: No, I'm actually enjoying it. It's actually enjoyable now without

1635
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,640
having read the books, i'd say, you know, like in

1636
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,000
the beginning, I was like, oh my god, do I

1637
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:17,479
need to read the books because I have no idea

1638
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,479
what's going on. But it's getting better at explaining things.

1639
01:25:21,039 --> 01:25:23,319
I do think the Extors in general are doing a

1640
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:28,680
very good job. I think so, And it still feels like, yeah,

1641
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:32,840
an interesting show, and with things happening, and and you

1642
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,239
always you know, there are certain things that I think

1643
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:39,520
they do a very good job. And the cinematography is beautiful,

1644
01:25:40,199 --> 01:25:44,800
costumes are like lighting, and all that I enjoyed very good.

1645
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I have anything else left to say.

1646
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,760
I think we have beaten us one today. Yes, all right,

1647
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,000
so we'll be back next week with I don't even

1648
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,880
know what we're talking about. Next week, we'll find out

1649
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,319
whatever crosses ours across our desk. Until then, take care

1650
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:02,079
of yourselves, love you mean it. Bye bye,