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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, the Great America Welcome Wednesday after him and

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<v Speaker 1>the christ did I guess there was one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen million Americans traveling about half listening to our dulca

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<v Speaker 1>tones this Wednesday afternoon. Thither and pro and the weather's

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<v Speaker 1>coming may have on later Steve Rawley to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen tonight and tomorrow. But until then,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a big news conference this morning about about

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<v Speaker 1>ten am a couple hours ago, and of course Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Hamrick of the Power of Five was there asking most

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<v Speaker 1>of the questions and Brian Hamrick welcome again to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham showing Brian, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give the American people, first of all, set

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<v Speaker 1>the scene?

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<v Speaker 3>Where was it? Who was there? What were their parameters

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<v Speaker 3>if any?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they had These were the spokespersons for OH Dot.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Matt Bruening and Kathleen Fuller. It was at

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<v Speaker 2>their headquarters up in Lebanon, so that's where they did

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<v Speaker 2>this today. That's the kind of odd. It almost looks

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<v Speaker 2>like green glass building up there. So they just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to try and give an update on when the timeline,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what everybody the real main question is when

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<v Speaker 2>is this thing going to reopen? And so they told

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<v Speaker 2>us today that their crystal ball says they can have

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<v Speaker 2>this thing open by early March. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that depended on the materials. That's what they were really

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to know. Apparently the way this bridge was built,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, despite interchangeable parts being discovered, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of centuries ago, we didn't do that with this bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen seventies when they built it. They built

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, it was everything was custom on it. So

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<v Speaker 2>now the parts that are damage are also customed. So

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<v Speaker 2>now they've got to go back and you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies and refit and remake all these custom pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what they didn't know. How long would it

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<v Speaker 2>take to get those They're saying those should be delivered

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<v Speaker 2>in January. The demolition will be done by then. It

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<v Speaker 2>starts tomorrow and they'll be ready to start rebuilding in

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<v Speaker 2>in January. Now, they did say there are a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of factors, you know, you know, there could still be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, problems with you know, construction when it goes

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<v Speaker 2>up in the Big Wog card is the weather. So

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<v Speaker 2>if the weather cooperates and everything, and they do have

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<v Speaker 2>some downtime planned in this March reopening, but they think

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<v Speaker 2>they can get it done by then. But they also

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<v Speaker 2>left the caveat that it could be you know, could

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<v Speaker 2>be a little longer. But that's the best kind of

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<v Speaker 2>rough estimate that they have right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian hemric I watched some of the news conference and

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<v Speaker 1>a question was asked, maybe by you, how come this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't like the Prince Spence Bridge. The fire there took

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<v Speaker 1>place in twenty twenty, there was a collision on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 3>All hell broke loose.

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<v Speaker 1>It took six weeks from the accident until reopening the

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<v Speaker 1>BS Bridge.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is this taking many months?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, part of it is what they said is

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<v Speaker 2>because those two far things had they had two things

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<v Speaker 2>in common, fire and it was a bridge, and they

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<v Speaker 2>said other than that, there was nothing that was similar. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest part of this is trying to get these

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<v Speaker 2>custom made steel beams. Here's the other thing. They're in competition.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all those major floods down in Tennessee and

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, they're still rebuilding everything down there. They're in

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<v Speaker 2>competition with that region for the resources for this steel

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing, right and the people that

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<v Speaker 2>make this. So there's sort of a backlog right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of it because of the floods. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't usually get into where we think about, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that happened in a different part of the country and

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<v Speaker 2>that was months ago. We're still rebuilding. So that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the effort here. And then again the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>these pieces are not something you can just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>order up and they come to you like you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting the Bengals jersey off of Amazon. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take some time to get these things manufactured.

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<v Speaker 1>And part of what Kathleen said was there are seven

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<v Speaker 1>beams that are four hundred and fifty feet long, seven

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<v Speaker 1>specially designed curve properly beams, and there's thousands. Didn't there's

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of steel plates. Explain that to Tony Benner because

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<v Speaker 1>he's all pissed off about going back and forth to

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<v Speaker 1>Boone County as you are.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands of steel plates, We got seven four and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>foot long beams.

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<v Speaker 3>This is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well it is. That's the part. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a very destructive fire. In fact, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that there was a serious danger of collapse

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<v Speaker 2>when this thing, you know, in the early part of it,

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<v Speaker 2>they got the shoring towers up. When I asked them,

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<v Speaker 2>could it still collapse, they couldn't give you one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent that it wouldn't, you know, So they think that

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<v Speaker 2>they've mitigated that danger right now. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>way they put it was anything's possible, but we think

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<v Speaker 2>we have it, you know, under control, that that's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen with those multiple shoring towers that they

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<v Speaker 2>have under here. But this was a very destructive fire.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Lynx the way they explained that as there

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<v Speaker 2>were seven beams, there's more than five hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two feet of steel beam, like those giant steel beams

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<v Speaker 2>that have to be replaced in this thing. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of steel, it's a lot of material. And

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't count all those plates that they have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also doesn't count the demolition. There's a two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty four page document just to tell how

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<v Speaker 2>to take the concrete up on this thing. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this gotta be the war and piece of U Concrete

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<v Speaker 2>bridge demolition two hundred and twenty four pages. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've read a novel that long. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really read when the ones with pictures are really

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<v Speaker 2>the only ones I read those, so I got doesn't count.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but so, so you're saying, forget about the steel beams,

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands of connecting plates. There's totally twenty four pages

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<v Speaker 1>with diagrams and schematics how to properly remove the concrete

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<v Speaker 1>which is about eight inches thick on top of the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah. Yeah, it's two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four pages of how to just do the demolition project

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<v Speaker 2>on the concrete alone. That didn't count the steel or anything. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just how to do the concrete. So and that's

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<v Speaker 2>they have that now, because that's one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>things they're going to have to do. They start with

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<v Speaker 2>that tomorrow or rather Friday, they will start with the Yeah, well, what.

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<v Speaker 3>About the northbound lanes.

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<v Speaker 1>I find myself every now and then in Northern Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to go in there, meeting Rob Sanders and

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<v Speaker 1>meeting other lawyers in Northern Kentucky, and then I come

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<v Speaker 1>back on four to seventy one north. There's only one

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<v Speaker 1>lane that's blocked. Am I When I was on four

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one coming north on the Big Mac Bridge, I

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<v Speaker 1>had the thought of my mind, is this going to collapse?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any any way that the other northbound lanes

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<v Speaker 1>are affected by all the work now to be done

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<v Speaker 1>on the southbound?

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<v Speaker 2>Well they said they've had the bridge inspectors out there

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<v Speaker 2>and they've looked at all that, and they're really the

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<v Speaker 2>real dammy. The only real damage was to the was

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<v Speaker 2>to the the other bridge, the south brown part of

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<v Speaker 2>this destructure. They're they're confensed that the other parts. Say so,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been really no talk of that since the early

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when they shut that down initially.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I talked to Dean Gregory at the Boathouse

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<v Speaker 1>Montgomery Boat at Montgomery and Boathouse. They're not happy at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't imagine but all the businesses and residences

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<v Speaker 1>over there, this has caused total havoc and confusion. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as the cost of this thing, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>asked that question or someone.

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<v Speaker 3>Did, Yeah, I get yeah, And do they have a

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<v Speaker 3>budget to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the way it works for today. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much it's going to cost. They just said

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<v Speaker 2>into the millions. We don't know. They did address this though,

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<v Speaker 2>they said that what they hope to do, Odog's going

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<v Speaker 2>to put the bill to begin with. And then they said,

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<v Speaker 2>because the governor has declared this an emergency, that they

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to apply for some federal funds to

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully get reimburshed. But right now it's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to odots, so you know, but it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>who knows how many millions millions of dollars this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost.

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<v Speaker 1>On the issue of the cause and the placement of

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<v Speaker 1>the place set there, it was either a Channel five

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<v Speaker 1>or nine. Had the old Cincinnati Recreation Commissioned chairman on

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<v Speaker 1>as an old guy, had to be in his seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was saying, why did you put it there?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, it was shaded, and if it

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<v Speaker 1>was wet, you know, it was better, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of out of the way at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And recycle tires, you know, if those things burned,

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<v Speaker 1>they burned forever. By the way, recycled plastic the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But he said, I'm pretty sure. He said, we passed

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<v Speaker 1>it through state officials and it wasn't on the list

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<v Speaker 1>of prohibited items.

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<v Speaker 3>Did that come up at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, they did say that they looked at this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they got a note from the Federal Highway

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<v Speaker 2>Administration a few years ago, and it's been an ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>concern because they've had fires. They had one in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles that burned up a bridge there because they had

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<v Speaker 2>things stored underneath of it, and we're talking about like

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<v Speaker 2>palettes and two being and out in californ it was

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<v Speaker 2>like they had cars and junk, look like people have

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<v Speaker 2>been living there and all kinds of stuff. And then

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<v Speaker 2>they had another one that Atlanta, and it was very similar,

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<v Speaker 2>things piled right to the roof. And so when they

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<v Speaker 2>got this notice from the Federal Highway Administration that said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>look for things like this, take those things out, they

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<v Speaker 2>said they didn't find them things like that. They found

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<v Speaker 2>the tractor they showed us. They found some palletts. It

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<v Speaker 2>was stuck, you know, stacked up almost to the top

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<v Speaker 2>of one. So they found some of that and they

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<v Speaker 2>removed it. But they saw this and no, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>raise a red flag. Nobody brought it up. They said nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>They said it didn't. They said, didn't Somebody just say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is more material. And I asked them specifically, this,

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<v Speaker 2>this looks like more material than the stuff that you

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<v Speaker 2>did remove. Didn't that, you know, trigger a red flag

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<v Speaker 2>in anyone's mind. And the nature was no, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find anything that this might be a problem, so they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't remove it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for those who may not know, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>large replica steamboat, a eighty A compliant made of recycled plastic,

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<v Speaker 1>and underneath that was a flooring of recycled tires. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever I know Tony Benner used to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the recycled tire business. If you start a tire

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<v Speaker 1>fire somewhere in Boone County, that damn thing will burn

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<v Speaker 1>for months because all tire is is oil.

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<v Speaker 3>Products, that's all it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this facility had fifty by one hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>of four inch deep recycled rubber, recycled tires so that

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<v Speaker 1>if some kid fell down, he didn't scrape his knee.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this was a disaster waiting to happen if

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<v Speaker 1>a homeless guy had a started a fire there on

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<v Speaker 1>a cold, rainy night underneath the bridge. But no one

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<v Speaker 1>in government said, boy, that could be a problem because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't on the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it wasn't on the list. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>they hit you know, it was just it was disguised

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a harmless you know basically, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we we tend to see things instead of

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<v Speaker 2>how didn't you know it's it's a This was like

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<v Speaker 2>a trojan horse. It didn't rattle any alarms that it

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<v Speaker 3>Really done well as far as go ahead, I find.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing really interesting about this though. Rubber uh and

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<v Speaker 2>uh a plastic it burns it like two thousand degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>The wood burns that at like a thousand degrees, But

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<v Speaker 2>it takes twenty six hundred degrees to melt steel. So

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<v Speaker 2>you would think, even if you did the math on it,

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<v Speaker 2>you go, well, this can't melt steel, for crying out loud,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's plastic, and plastic only gets to two thousand degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>You need significant more heat to do that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>way this worked, firefighter re Flame with his theory on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was this that when that fire was underneath

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<v Speaker 2>of that bridge, that it would it held the heat there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it worked almost like it works in a flash

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<v Speaker 2>over the smoke gets so hot that it actually burns

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<v Speaker 2>the unburned particles in smoke and it becomes much hotter,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that continues to roll under there like the

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<v Speaker 2>confection of them, basically, And that's what heated this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all theory, right. Nobody said this officially, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's what I believe. Probably heated this beyond what

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<v Speaker 2>the temperatures could be that would actually melt seal, and

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<v Speaker 2>it did it for hours that or however long that

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<v Speaker 2>material because it had nowhere to escape underneath of that bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>And I found that fascinating. How something that couldn't burn

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<v Speaker 2>hot enough to burn seal could burn hot enough to

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<v Speaker 3>Do we know who did it? Is there anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I've got cops sending me Texas saying it

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<v Speaker 1>was homeless encampment, and that's somebody. I hope someone didn't

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally do this. It was someone with a campfire at night,

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<v Speaker 1>which you see up and down the river all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Any indication about that criminal investigation, it's criminal, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>this is one hundred millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Any indication who did it.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, it's going to be up to the

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<v Speaker 2>fire department to come up with it, and they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>given anything official. But right now, you know, we've heard

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<v Speaker 2>all these rumors that social media just stirring up all that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no way to know at this point, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what happened. I've you know, heard from people on

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<v Speaker 2>the inside saying, we know it's just exactly you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's going to happen and all that, but

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<v Speaker 2>but so far there's been nothing official to tell us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that they you know, here's the evidence of what

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<v Speaker 2>actually happened. Until we get that. I mean, I can

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<v Speaker 2>think of several scenarios that wouldn't involve, you know, someone

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, look, there could be somebody went

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<v Speaker 2>down there and said, hey, let's see what it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like if this thing went up and set it on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a possibility. It could be somebody who was there

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<v Speaker 2>got cold that night. Maybe they were staying down there

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<v Speaker 2>and they're huddled up and they're like, oh man, some

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<v Speaker 2>of this rubber makes a good fire. Next thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get out of control. And the whole thing burns down.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a possibility. There's a pausibility there was power going

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<v Speaker 2>through here. What if there was a spark underneath some

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<v Speaker 2>of that rubber mat and you know it somehow malfunctioned,

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's other possibilities to be ruled out. And

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<v Speaker 2>only the fire investigators who are down in there nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>it started. You can't see what was there and all

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<v Speaker 2>that are going to be able to tell us. So really,

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<v Speaker 2>anything you see beyond that, I mean, I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of them have much higher possibilities than others.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't think there's a real good possibility

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<v Speaker 2>that some electrical thing started because there was electricity down there,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's unlikely. I think some of those

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<v Speaker 2>other scenarios are much more possible. But until we get

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<v Speaker 2>that though, it's it's sheer speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like the failure of imagination. Much like

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven, nobody could imagine, and here you got

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<v Speaker 1>state it's a possible. This large replica steamboat sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>recycled rubber mats. What happens if someone starts a fire there?

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<v Speaker 1>Look up there? Failure of imagination? Brian Hamrick, you and

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<v Speaker 1>yours have a great Thanksgiving. I know, between you and

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<v Speaker 1>John London and Karen Johnson, somebody's got to work tomorrow, understand,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you, So enjoy your turkey on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, no, I'll be here. I'll be here on Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>We're yeah, we've already I've already got a great story

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<v Speaker 2>for tomorrow kind of lined up and set out. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm gonna be here tomorrow and h and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be We'll bring you the news just like we do

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<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. Brian Hamrick, you're a great American.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for reporting this to the American people. And Brian Hamrick,

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<v Speaker 1>you continue to have a great career, a great day

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<v Speaker 1>and a great Turkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Hamrick of the power of five, the best there

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<v Speaker 1>is mus continue with more and no one could imagine

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<v Speaker 1>this occurring, and it did. Now all hell's breaking loose

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<v Speaker 1>and we cover the chaos and confusion well on News

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