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Speaker 1: We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour.

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I'm Emily Drushinsky, not culture editor here at the Federalist.

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Had to catch myself for just a moment. I'm joined

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today by not my colleague, but my former colleagues, Sam,

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Sam Mangled Lennon. I almost called you, Sam. Sam comment

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like the Pam Pan Debate, the Great Pan Pan Debate,

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which is a perfect intro into why I'm here, Sam,

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which is it's the annual Federalist movie and television spectacular.

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Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: The problem not that must work here, but this is

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my favorite holiday tradition, so why not keep it going?

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Speaker 1: In fairness, you do technically work here, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm a contractor, so in a sense, yes, but like

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I live in the office, but I don't work here.

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Work here?

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Speaker 1: You know you do, though, henlaying yes, it would, yeah,

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for sure, would be impossible clearly for anyone to wrench

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you out of the office.

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Speaker 2: And that's comfortable here.

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Speaker 1: You know. Sam loves this tradition of Federalist movies and

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TV shows on the podcast in December every year. I

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think he has some sort of nostalgia for it at

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this point, but it's true it's always a fun tradition,

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and that's why I'm back, and I've wanted to come

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back for a while. Sam, I you know, it's such

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a warm, warm welcome that you've given me. There's a

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warm beer for the warm welcome, as if to punctuate

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the warm welcome in typical Federalist style. I think this

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is the final miller light of the beer drawer from

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when we first moved into this office. And the beer

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draw is exactly what it sounds like. If you've been

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listening to the show for a long time, you remember

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the beer drawer because we've referenced it a good old

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Christopher Bedford referenced it many times. Sam, we should of

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course give a shout out to Chris and Sarah Bedford,

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who since people have probably last turned him on the show.

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I had a little girl. They have a new beautiful

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little dog.

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Speaker 2: My godchild. I don't know that yet. This is how

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they find.

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Speaker 1: Out that can't be right. So Sam, I'm here. Obviously,

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I've you know, jumped over to Unheard in June. I

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was going to show over there called the Undercurrents. Obviously,

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of course, Love Love Love Federalist Radio Hour Dearly and

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you all are having so much fun. But why don't

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you tell people why I'm here drinking cold beer. It's

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warm beer, warm beer. I don't know why I said

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cold beer.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're here to talk about the movies and shows

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of twenty twenty four. Ones we loved, ones we didn't

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love as much, And I just really able to pick

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your thoughts in the curren state of Hollywood. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is always a time of year, and this

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is I should say, this is always a time if

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you're aware going back, you know, years now. It makes

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me take stock of how much time I've wasted.

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Speaker 2: Just watching reality TV.

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Speaker 1: I was telling you when you you said like, oh,

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should we do this? I was like, yeah, you know,

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usually what I do to prep is just go through

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a Google like TV shows and movies that came out

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in twenty twenty four. You're a movie guy, I'm a

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TV person, and that's why this is a good compliment

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when we've done it in the past. But man, TV

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shows this year that I've watched the list every year,

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I'm just I keep surprising myself as I scrolled down

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the list at everything that I've actually seen.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of good TV this year.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that's actually a lot of good comedy this year,

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and that's surprising, I think to me. As I was

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looking through the list, I was like, wow, the sitcom

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is kind of back. There's a lot we can get into.

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But you probably saw way more movies than I did.

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Speaker 2: The ones that I saw from on my list. From memory,

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there were like thirty three, which is kind of embarrassing, but.

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Speaker 1: From memory that's yeah, because I think if you went

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through the list, you would realize you saw more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I should really start doing using letterbox, but I

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don't want to have another thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I only have fifteen here. These are we should stipulate.

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These are TV shows and movies that aired new episodes

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or came out Yeah in twenty twenty four, So the

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TV shows had to air new episodes we'll talk about

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the Bear for example, and the movies had to come

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sounds good. So what do you want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can start a TV. I have a lot

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Speaker 2: Before it is yours, senator sort of gross.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe we Maybe what I'll do is rock

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through this list and you start me or you stop me.

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Where something is interesting. I will start with Saint Dennis Medical. Now,

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this is if Scrubs were purely a sitcom, and I

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mean that in the sense that, like Scrubs without I

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actually think Scrubs is a really prescient impression show. I

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think it was not even pression. It was a really

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influential show at sort of taking us to the format

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that a lot of comedies ended up adopting. Down the

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line like broad City I think really owed a debt

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to Scrubs in what way sort of flitting taking the

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sitcom into fantastical okay directions, right, So yeah, I don't

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I don't mean like in terms of necessarily content so much.

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I mean the format, right, the adaptability.

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Speaker 2: Bear with me here, But it's kind of like the

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family guy ization of sitcoms, which is.

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Speaker 1: Totally dream sequences. Yeah, well, it's detached occasionally, and then

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it's like a normal sitcom because.

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Speaker 2: There is the drama, there is the heartbreak, but there's

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also like the flights of fancy.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's a totally mundane concept, right, Like it's

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nurses and doctors in the hospital, their daily lives, but

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then it does detach from reality and certain you know,

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their departures from reality and that was just not super

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normal until I think describes as part of popularizing in

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the age of like it came. It came along like

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right after Friends.

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Speaker 2: And those two thousand and four through.

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Speaker 1: I would say it was two thousand and one and

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two thousand and two it ended, or it came right

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as Friends was ending, as Fraser was winding down, Like

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really that rigid sort of typical sitcom are real quick.

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Speaker 2: I tracked last year when we did this. I was

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super bearish on the Fraser reboot. I was so incredibly

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so was I. It's so good.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, oh wait, okay, so we that's right. We

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disagreed on this last year. I was extremely frasery foolish

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on the Fraser reboot. So you're seeing that it's gotten better.

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I haven't like kept up with it on it, I

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liked it and I didn't. I stopped watching and I

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liked it. It just wasn't good enough. That there's so

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Speaker 2: There's just so much content. Yeah, I haven't seen any

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of the newer seasons. I think it was season one.

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I just watched it on a plane and it took

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me right back. It was so good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you were watching the season that I also

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thought was good, which was okay, Yes.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying for the sake of closing the circle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was lovely. And actually this gets

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back to Saint Dennis Medical, which is hey, like, very

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typical sitcom. It could have aired in the year two thousand.

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could have aired in two thousand and five something like that.

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and five, very much like The Office meets Scrubs. And

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it's not like Genius, but it's got Weddy mcglevin covey

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from obviously one of the greatest shows of all time,

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which is Rina nine to one one, and she is

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incredibly talented. She's always needed a vehicle that, you know,

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she said, Bridesmaid, She's been in other movies like that,

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but she's always needed a vehicle that really showcases her.

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is a really funny, like surprisingly funny sitcom and it's light,

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but you know, again it's not it's always sunny in Philadelphia.

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It's not revolutionary, it's not incredible, but it's a really

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just like funny way to spend twenty five minutes or

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whatever it is. And I think that was similar to

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the show English Teacher. Have you seen Englan Teacher.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of ads on Hulu.

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Speaker 1: It looks kind of fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's effects. And both of these shows the sort

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of intersection of politics and culture. In the shows, they

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are so second Trump Admin. Meaning it isn't the sort

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of virtue signaling politics of twenty seventeen. It's very much

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the we accept this and know that we have to

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we're still on the left. We have to like get

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poke fun at both left and right. And an English

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then be like elder millennials BuzzFeed politics, you know what

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but you know, it's a really fun it's really really clever.

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Speaker 2: It's also set in a public school, so it's kind

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of you can't really expect a public school based TV

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Speaker 1: Well it does though, I mean it actually does have

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obviously things, but it's not going to be upholding like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has a very sympathetic conservative character. Actually

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it's yeah, you're really rare, right, you know, it's not

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going to reject the cultural paradigm, right, but it's Yeah.

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did Really we're surprisingly refreshingly good. Now, did you watch Tires?

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Speaker 2: I watch some of Tires. I can knot get into it.

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Speaker 1: That's surprising. The Shane Gillis on Netflix Star Wars Haki

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Speaker 1: Why do you really not like watching comedies? You said

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you enjoyed Frasier, but you didn't Endoid Tires.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Fraser is art is not a comedy. It's it's

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Speaker 1: It is the definition of low art. Right. No, it's

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I mean that's what's that's sort of the genius a phraser, right,

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like adapting the pretension?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you think about Tires?

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Speaker 1: I like Tires. I thought it was breezy and clever

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and edgy, and it was everything I wanted it to be.

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It wasn't again revolutionary, Nope, but it was. It was

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a good I think outing for Shane Gillisho's a very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very talented.

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Speaker 1: It's just so curb ended in twenty twenty four easy

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to forget. I actually saw Larry David right before the

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finale here in DC at the in the wealthiest crowd

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of people I have ever been at a concert venue,

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but it was at the Anthem and DZ I was

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looking around up like, this is the most well off audience,

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you know what I mean? Aund Because it's just like,

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who's who's watching Curb Like very educated. It's the same

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the most educated audience. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, and this

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making the show at that point.

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Speaker 1: Leon, I mean it's Leon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got a good Curb. Did a good

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English teacher? Did good? Did you watch Nobody Wants This?

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Speaker 2: I am hearing of that for the first time.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time hearing she was a great lady.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants this.

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Speaker 1: It's the Adam Brodie Kristen Bell. You would hate it.

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You would absolutely hate it.

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so graving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a fan of Kristen Bell, although I like

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some movies she's been in you look for a glad

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to hear you like Frozen anyway, So Kristen Bell and

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millennials get together for this Netflix romantic comedy series that

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say earlier in the fall, and a lot of girls

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my age were obsessed with the show. Fair enough. It

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is actually like very sweet and funny. It is about

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it's the real story. I think of Aaron or Sarah Foster.

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but converse to Judaism and Mary's a rabbi. This is

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the story of the show, and it's some where. It's

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instead of you know, I literally believed, but I literally

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believe that the story of Hanukkah is about a historical event,

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the Maccabee's and there I literally believe in the God

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of you know, like the Hebrew Bible. Well, so the

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Adam Brodie character are very serious about his faith. He's

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rabbi obviously, but yeah, I mean I think you would shooting.

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of the rest.

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Speaker 1: No, but it seems like she drifts into it. It's

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clearly getting a second season, at least, that's what I

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it was it was honestly like sweet and funny. You know,

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it's sort of a prestige comedy, and it's rare that

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those are actually funny, that they actually keep you laughing

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in the way a sitcom does. And this one I

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think was successful at that, But content wise, I'm not

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sure that it did religion of great service. All right,

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let's talk about the Bear. You wanted to talk about

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the Bear. I've been dominating here this because we've been

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talking about comedies. But le Bear is sort of one

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of the famous border one of the famous fence sitters

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between comedy and drama.

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Speaker 2: I think he does it very effectively.

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Speaker 2: I don't get that. I thought the third season was phenomenal. Really, Yeah,

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what were your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: So I had mixed feelings about it. I think it's

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the weakest season of all of them, but it could

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still be good. Yeah right, okay, so give us your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was necessarily a high watermark despite

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it winning every single award, but it was definitely very engrossing.

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The characters are very you know, you pointed out that

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Matt Walsh from Daily Wire had some thoughts on it,

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but I think he was totally wrong. I think all

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the characters are very redeemable.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was watching from the first season, so.

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Speaker 2: He only watched the first season.

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems like he had just started the first season.

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Speaker 2: Well even then, like from the outset, I think all

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the characters are engrossing, like you want to know more.

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At least I wanted to know more about them immediately.

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it was kind of to Sydney focused. Yeah, yeah, I

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think they lean a little too far into like the

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whole trauma aspect of things.

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Speaker 1: Well, and by the way, that was Walsh's critique was

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that Sydney was just so people have context. If they

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didn't see his critique, he did a long thought about

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how everybody loves a bear and it's this sort of

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gritty glimpse into the life of the working class. And

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from his perspective, it was leaning really hard into this

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idea of Sydney as the protagonist victim that you were

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supposed to and I don't necessarily think that's true. I mean,

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I think we disagree. I think it does push that

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a little bit more than you probably do, but I

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don't think it's that overt. I think it's actually and

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maybe it's because we have to have lower standards for

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Hollywood riders, but I just thought it was. It was

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subtle enough that it's never bothered me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I've never had an issue with it,

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Like she's just the protagonist. He was going in a

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more identitarian thing where it's like this black girl is

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a martyr type stuff.

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Speaker 1: He thinks that's what they're pushing, right.

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Speaker 2: And I can kind of see that a bit with

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the third season, but for the rest of the series,

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it's very much like this is just a character who

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happens to be black and is here. I didn't get

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that rid of all. I think the third season everything

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was kind of about, you know, Krme's trauma working with

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chef David in New York, and sure, like you talk

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to anybody who works who's a chef who works in

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like high stress restaurants, they're gonna have some demons just

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because of the constant pressure they're under and the constant

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the lifestyle that being a chef demands. But I didn't

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get the feeling that it was too you know, heavy

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handed with it. The flashbacks were a bit much. I

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guess the constant flashbacks, like every episode, they felt like

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they were trying to tell us a story we should

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have already been told. But I think it worked pretty

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well all things considered. It was a natural answer to

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some questions about the character's lore.

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Speaker 1: Did you find it boring? I found it a bit.

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I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: There was one episode I thought was a bit slow paced.

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I forget where it was in the season, But other

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than that, I was pretty on the edge, not on

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the edge of my seat. I was pretty just into

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the show as it was happening. There wasn't really there's

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not one particular moment I can pinpoint where it's well,

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I'm bored, I want to do something else. But I

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do remember one episode I was just where is this

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going's what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: So the first season was one of those shows for me,

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like it was for many people, that was so engrossing,

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like a classic page Turner book translated into television, you

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just can't stop watching it. And for me, the seasons

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are have aired in the order of quality one, two,

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and three, and the last two seasons, after the first

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few episodes, I've been so bored that I've almost stopped

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watching the rest of the season. But by the time

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I got to the end of the season, I was

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really glad that I've persisted. But almost at that midpoint,

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both of them just dragged. And I think there's a

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bit of self indulgence in the Bear that or it

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gets lost in itself. It gets lost in its own

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and maybe that's why some people really like it and

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haven't noticed, like it's just different paces.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I actually think that's kind of the

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not the point of it, but that makes sense given

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the context of the show, like all these characters are

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so in their head with their own yeah, horrible neurosis,

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that it's going to get lost in itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it was season three, but the

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Christmas episode it was like an hour and a half long.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was a great Obviously.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: No, I thought that was great, but you kind.

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Speaker 2: Of need that to get the rest of the Why

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are these people such messes? Twenty four to seven mm hm,

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So I have no real complaints At the end of

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the day, I thought the performances were all great. I

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forget the name of the guy who plays Fact, but Fact.

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Speaker 1: Is Mattie Matheson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a coach book that just came out. He's

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an adorable character.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. Cousin is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Richie's my favorite. Yeah, yeah, my thoughts, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Richie's great. Yeah yeah. Did you watch Girls?

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Speaker 2: I've seen some of it, but I try to avoid

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anything Leana Dunham based.

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Speaker 1: So, oh that's your that's your loss. She's It's like

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with Broad City and Girls. They had these this their

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marketing did not reflect the actual content, and that's because

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they didn't understand what they were doing with the content.

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I didn't They didn't know fully what they were disputing.

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Speaker 2: When I'm done rewatching The Simpsons yet again, I'll go

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back to Girls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget that you do that? Yeah, but he is,

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so he is prominent girls. Also, this is real deep cut.

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He has a small part in Mona Lisa's Smile, which

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is one of my favorites bills. And you know, Tory

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Amos is on the Mona Lisa Smile soundtrack, and that's

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another another plus. And the Mona Lisa Smile Colin. As

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far as I'm concerned, Dominic West doesn't Monal Smile. Hell

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of a hell of a cast. Just great all around.

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All right, let's let us move on. So while we're

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on the sort of boriderline comedy drama world, let's talk

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about Bad Monkey. I will be surprised if you didn't

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watch this. I have not heard of this Bad Monkey

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Vince Vaughan.

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Speaker 2: Really, yes, I haven't heard of this.

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Speaker 1: There is a new Prestige comedy drama dy Murder Mystery

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okay with Vince Vaughn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on Apple Okay, Bad Monkeys. That's probably why because

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I don't have Apple TV.

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Speaker 1: It's based on a book. Oh you don't have Apple

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to me? Okay, So but you'll really like it. It's

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I think it does drag a little bit. It probably

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could have been I think it's like eight one hour episodes.

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It probably could have been like six forty minute episodes

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something like that. Like it gets it gets a bit much,

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they stretch it, but it's genuinely engrossing, funny, great Vince

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Vaughn performance. And I would imagine Sam that you hold

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Vince Vaughn in high regarddor Vinsvawn.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he was phenomenal in the second season The True Detective.

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He's great, he's our guy.

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Speaker 1: Like, of course I like him, but my interpretation of

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Vince Vaughn's politics is that they're actually pretty hardcore libertarian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's our guy for Hollywood. You know,

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he has a gun, like the bar is very.

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Speaker 1: Well, he has a gun. There you go. Bad Monkey

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is great. It's it takes place on the Florida Keys,

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so that's a wonderful environment to do a murder mystery.

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And yeah, now, speaking of True Detective, did you watch

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Jodie Foster Tree Detective?

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Speaker 2: Dude? That sucked? That was so awful? Are you going

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right now?

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Speaker 1: Are absolutely okay?

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Speaker 2: Defend it?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: How?

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Speaker 1: How it was awful?

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Speaker 2: It was terrible.

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Speaker 1: The honest is definitely on new to defend that because

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the rest of nobody liked it. Everybody liked it.

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Speaker 2: It was terrible.

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Speaker 1: It was so gripping, Oh my gosh. The politics were irritating,

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but the story was well done. I mean, the story

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was it was It was meeted out in a way

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that I thought was very engrossing.

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Speaker 2: It was intriguing for sure, like I want it's like

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the answer to the questions, but like I was just

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annoyed the entire time watching it.

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Speaker 1: I thought I did a very good job with the

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so like I'm not Alaska is its own thing. My

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experience with family and very rural northern Wisconsin. I felt

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like there was a pretty good you know, the depiction

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felt familiar to me in a way that I was

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impressed with Hollywood, okay for doing for capturing.

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Speaker 2: I mean accept the premise. I just thought it was condescending.

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I thought I was thumbing it's those that these.

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Speaker 1: People really Oh my gosh. No, I thought it was

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very like sympathetic to the drug and alcohol problems in

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these like totally barren winter hell holes, you know what

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I mean, Like that is a tough, tough place to live.

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00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:19,519
Speaker 2: I just didn't get to read that. It was like

472
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:22,920
I read it as though it was discussed less so

473
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,079
like and sure like there's there's some degree of discussed

474
00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:26,799
with that and just by the nature of the conversation,

475
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,720
but it didn't seem as though it was empathetic.

476
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,599
Speaker 1: You know, I know you more than anyone are following

477
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:36,519
the like re enchantment discourse, and that true Detective Night

478
00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:43,440
Country was very very much of the from the wrong

479
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,279
side of it, right, like this is something that the

480
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,640
rogers of the world to be horrified by, but glad

481
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,039
that it's sort of obvious, or glad that it depicted

482
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,960
these mystical supernatural And maybe I'm misreading this, maybe disagree,

483
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,799
but I think it it depicted mystical supernatural forces as

484
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,000
real in a sadly like pagan way, but the low

485
00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:07,759
bar for me to clear. It's like, yeah, this stuff

486
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,799
is real. It's not like mumbo jumbo. They're just chanting

487
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,640
to Mother Earth and you know, we all just see

488
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,680
supernatural things but it's not real. We're all just so silly.

489
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,680
It's like, this is real and it's serious. And I

490
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,480
thought that was kind of interesting.

491
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that component of it. This is probably just

492
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,519
me being the most super uh what's the term, not supernatural,

493
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,559
superstitious Catholic on the face of the planet. But I

494
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,519
do enjoy like when it leans into that because it's

495
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,839
a conversation that needs to be had. I don't know,

496
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,839
just it didn't hit for me for whatever reason. I

497
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,319
thought it was. I could have been coming from a

498
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,440
place of cynicism.

499
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: So you're also not a woman like it was very

500
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,279
chick heavy. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was.

501
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,559
Speaker 2: In my opinion, True Detective has been on a slow on,

502
00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,279
like a steady like turn like Season one was the

503
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,480
high points. Season two was good, Season three was mad.

504
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: Most people didn't like season two. I've not seen it. Yeah,

505
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,720
I haven't seen it. I haven't seen two or three.

506
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: I thought one was incredible, three was very mediocre. One

507
00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:12,839
is some of the best television ever made.

508
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree completely on that. And I thought for

509
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,720
well because I thought because four kind of leaned into

510
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,240
the enchantment supernatural question, there was I don't know. I

511
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:30,119
I my flaw as a sort of observer of cultural

512
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,519
content is that it's I'm to my bar is so low.

513
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,640
That's fair, but you have to have a little bar,

514
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:40,319
you know, this is great. It's almost as though this

515
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:49,359
is great because it believes in higher power. Well done. No,

516
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:51,119
I thought it was more serious than that I mean,

517
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,839
I think, yeah, I guess, I just think like rural communities,

518
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,480
it's more than you know in Mexico dumping fentanyl into

519
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,880
the country. There's when you take the industry out of

520
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,400
places and you know you're in a place where there's

521
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,400
an a lot of sunlight or industry or I mean,

522
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,480
this is just it's.

523
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,799
Speaker 2: A ripe environment theoretically for paganism to reservice.

524
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,279
Speaker 1: And I just, you know, I thought esthetically it was

525
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,240
really again gripping, but maybe that was because I'm a moment.

526
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: It's probably fair just to throw grenade in this conversation.

527
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,440
I know you hate this movie, but I think bj

528
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,519
Novak's Vengeance has a much more I didn't that you did.

529
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,799
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I thought it was perfectly acceptable, but

530
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:31,960
I hated the depiction of the people. I hated its conclusion. Okay,

531
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
and I think that's probably what you hate about True

532
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,359
Detective Night Country is its conclusion. So we probably flipped here. Absolutely.

533
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,920
Yea interesting. Oh that's very interesting.

534
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,839
Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and watch Night Country.

535
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: No, don't do that.

536
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: It's I mean, if if I'm wrong and everybody else

537
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,119
likes it, I don't know.

538
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to whether you watch Gentlemen in Moscow.

539
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: Do I not get the same programming you do. I've

540
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,599
never heard of any of you know, this is.

541
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: Going to be the reverse when we talk about movies

542
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,559
like I'm a Sick Person comes a television. But Gentleman

543
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,359
in Moscow was your adaptation of the very very popular

544
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,640
novel Ian McGregor joint on Amazon. Beautiful, I mean, a

545
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,039
gorgeous and uncommon probably produced by the CIA, because it

546
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:20,400
is such a I'm not kiddings, such a powerful indictment

547
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,480
of communism. Yeah, I mean in the same way the

548
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,759
CIA like funded the Parish Review. It's upon a Time.

549
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,960
It is this incredible argument against the the ravages of

550
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,920
communism on the mind, the body, and the soul. So

551
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,799
Gentlemen in Moscow really well done, great performance from youan

552
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,440
McGregor recommend.

553
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: Ironically, I feel like twenty twenty threes Tetris was also

554
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,319
a really good was great? Yes, that's who's so under

555
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:50,559
the radar?

556
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: Was that twenty twenty three.

557
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: Twenty two or twenty three?

558
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh it wasn't this last year?

559
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: No it wasn't. I don't think so.

560
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: Last all track of time.

561
00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: It's a flat circle, so to speak.

562
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:05,279
Speaker 1: Yes, so we could really talk about anything, all right, gentleman,

563
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,480
Moscow is off the list. Did you watch Palm Royal? No,

564
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:13,559
because apparently don't have Apple Kristin wiggu what's his name,

565
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,559
Josh Evans. It's from secondhand lines.

566
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: So they just how much money does Apple have where

567
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,960
they can get everybody on their stuff? Then nobody watches.

568
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:24,319
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think Palm Royle did well. I think

569
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:26,079
Palm Rill did well. I don't know that many people

570
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,920
watch Bad Monkey, but I thought Palm Rail was pretty

571
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,599
pretty successful, wonderful, cold War Nixon makes an appearance, So

572
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,799
now you're going to be upset you missed it. Yeah,

573
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,599
you should get Apple together. There's good stuff on it.

574
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: I had a free trial. That's how I watched Tetris

575
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,480
and Severns. But it's the.

576
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Cheapest of all the streamers, I believe. Yeah, but Palm

577
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,160
Rail is a great Christian wait joint. Incredible. Also murder

578
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Mystery set in Florida. Another murder mystery in Florida. There's

579
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:57,200
a theme here trying under my Trump and Disanta's Well.

580
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,279
Palm Royal is a good uh. I actually went to

581
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,640
Palm Beach for the first time early in twenty twenty

582
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,400
fourth movie. I was primed by this. I had the

583
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,440
strangest I just not a huge Palm Beach person. I'll

584
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,359
put it that way on I'll I'll reserve my full

585
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:19,920
thoughts on Palm Beach for off microphone. But it's yeah,

586
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:26,680
it's Palm Rail is a wonderful Cold War era satirization.

587
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,440
But it's also, you know, pretty pretty harsh on the

588
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,599
right and conservatives. Sam is checking his watch, by the way,

589
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,720
So I guess I should pick up the pace.

590
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:37,079
Speaker 2: We have to say, booze at some point. I'm not

591
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:38,160
trying to rush the conversation.

592
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,039
Speaker 1: We have an hour an hour. You have a lot

593
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:44,640
to say about movies. I take it. So it's it

594
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,759
does a good job Palm Also there's a space plot,

595
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,119
so you you'd probably like that. All right, I'll pick

596
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,119
up the pace here. Hacks. Did you watch the season

597
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,720
of Hacks? Another Banger, Another Banger on Apple? HBOS?

598
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,599
Speaker 2: What I have HBO.

599
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,319
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that smart You even't been watching Hacks.

600
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: No, it's been on for like five years, and it

601
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,200
is the This is one of the smartest comedies that

602
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:16,200
has aired in the last decade, easily.

603
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed for you, but it'll again, it'll be reversed

604
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,440
when we get to movies. The Regime on HBO Kate

605
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:30,039
Winslet it is basically you might be interested in it.

606
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,559
I was one of those shows that nobody else watched,

607
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,799
even though it was clearly very high budget and and

608
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,079
very high budget, lots of kind of fanfare, and I

609
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,079
couldn't find anybody else who'd watched it, And so I

610
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:46,680
don't know how other people interpreted it. I think it

611
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:53,119
gets a little into like unintentionally maybe satirizing Zelenski. Honest

612
00:29:53,599 --> 00:30:00,480
it shows a very charismatic Eastern European leader becoming a dictator,

613
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,920
and it's very funny. There's a lot of you know,

614
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,759
it's kind of a little Death of Stalin. Great movie, Yeah,

615
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,039
great movie. There was a little bit of that. I

616
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:10,319
actually think Armando I knew she might have been part

617
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,599
of this. You might have been part of the production

618
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,720
for the Regime. I thought it was better than people

619
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:24,640
gave it credit for, so deeply critical of US funding dictators. Yeah, yeah,

620
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,279
you know, that's that's the ultimate argument I'm probably giving

621
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,119
too much credit to. But anyway, slow Horses, did you

622
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,839
watch the latest holy smoke, horses, slow horses have heard

623
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:39,880
of it. This is just embarrassing, so bad when we

624
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,720
get some movies and I'm doing the same thing, but

625
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:47,119
you haven't even heard of slow horses. It's a it's

626
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:54,400
it's an incredible Saturday Well yeah, satirization of British intel. Yeah, yeah, it's.

627
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,920
But it's also because it's each season is a mystery.

628
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:04,200
It's like a fast paced grip, beautiful performances, excellent, excellent

629
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,200
show that you haven't even heard of. It as a

630
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,799
problem here, this one I know that you've heard of.

631
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,599
I don't know if you're watching the latest season what

632
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,000
we do in the Shadows.

633
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:13,799
Speaker 2: Have not seen latest season.

634
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:14,799
Speaker 1: I think it's back.

635
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,519
Speaker 2: It's back.

636
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: I think the last couple of seasons it lost its

637
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,799
step a little bit. Where the vampires are strongest is

638
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:26,319
when they are in real world America twenty twenty situations

639
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,079
been going on for whan does that started around twenty

640
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,839
nineteen or twenty eighteen, whatever. But that show is the

641
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,640
strongest when it's putting the vampire vampires in the real world,

642
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,200
not bringing the real world to the vampire world.

643
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

644
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's back. Not to say that

645
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,640
the seasons weren't good. I still like them, but I

646
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,319
think it's at its back to back to form. Highly recommend.

647
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:54,720
All right, did you watch Franklin on HBO? Bro? Franklin

648
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,720
is sort of meant to be like the John Adams

649
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:03,839
which I'm sure you like called Jimadi. Oh yeah, I

650
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,160
knew you liked that phenomenal. So Franklin. Is Michael Douglas

651
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680
playing better than Franklin? A weird? I think that it's

652
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,839
a it's a it's a weird casting. Is it based

653
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,279
off a turn now? Also the McCullough was that okay? Yeah, yeah,

654
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,400
but I don't actually Hamilton is turnout? Right?

655
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the two biographers who were getting.

656
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I actually don't know that it was. I don't know.

657
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,599
It may have been based on a book, but it's

658
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,759
very well done. It's very interesting, drags a little bit, clearly,

659
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,079
a lot of money and resources went into it, and

660
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
I don't think really many people watched it, but it

661
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,039
was very good. I'm sure historians watching it would be like,

662
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,640
shut the heck up, like it got so many things wrong.

663
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,960
But I thought it was a worthy success for to

664
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,880
John Adams. Never could possibly live up to John Adams right,

665
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,279
that is one of the greatest. Was that light a bottle?

666
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,759
Lightning in a bottle? You're so right? All right, let's go.

667
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,160
So did you see Quiet on set? The series about

668
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:04,359
abuse at Nickelodeon.

669
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,079
Speaker 2: I saw some of it. I didn't finish the entire series.

670
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: I thought they did a good job.

671
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so as well.

672
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: That's a hard story to tell for a lot of

673
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,400
like logistical reasons, and.

674
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: I think that was hit at the right time. Also,

675
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,079
very older millennial friendly, very like or late early gen

676
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Z friendly. I think it hit the right marks.

677
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it did a good job. They got really

678
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,279
like I don't want to use the word juicy, because

679
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,559
that's almost downplaced the severity of that.

680
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a tabloid esque show at all. Right,

681
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,400
It was like, here's an actual serious issue that we're

682
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,759
finally talking about, right.

683
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: And I kind of expected it to be tabloid same. Yeah,

684
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,839
I think everyone did good point all right, mister and

685
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,559
missus Smith.

686
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,359
Speaker 2: That's one with Daniel Donald Glover right, the retelling of

687
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,720
the movie. Yes, I saw an episode when Gabe was

688
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:53,720
watching it in our apartment.

689
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 1: Gabe Kevinski the Wasatchington Examiner for.

690
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: Not a fan. Oh my gosh, just dived directly into

691
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,480
what I saw was just a struggle session. They were

692
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,279
complaining about their different identitarian woes and it's who is

693
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:07,680
this four?

694
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Oh, but it's it's pretty I mean, I think it's

695
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,199
pretty critical of the identitarian.

696
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: I only saw a little bit of it, so I'm

697
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,039
missing the rest of the context here.

698
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: So it was a fabulous show, like I had actually

699
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,159
forgotten about it until I went to make this list.

700
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,840
One of the best shows I've seen in a long time. Excellent.

701
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,280
I don't remember if I was mad about the politics

702
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,639
or the culture of it, but I remember being like,

703
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,440
in the moment, obsessed with getting to the next episode. Okay,

704
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,039
so and he does. Donald Glover does such a good job.

705
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: He's great and everything. Yeah, latest album was kind of that.

706
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't. But the show was really good.

707
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,519
And it's not a show I would normally watch because

708
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:49,960
even just like esthetically, to me, it seemed very vanilla,

709
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,360
you know, it seems very like, Okay, I'm watching an

710
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,079
Everlin ad or I'm watching like a pottery barn ad,

711
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,800
but apparently this is supposed to be. It was very cool,

712
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,880
but then the story really I thought worked. Now I'm

713
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,559
almost done with my list, except for I haven't talked

714
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:11,000
about most of the reality TV I watched. Did you

715
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,719
watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Which, if I were

716
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,159
asking a woman your age, the answer would almost certainly

717
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:16,519
be yes.

718
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: I heard a lot about it, However, I stayed very

719
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,199
far away from it.

720
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I hated it, really, OK, I love reality TV.

721
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: This is the one swinging right.

722
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,159
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought the show and the response to the

723
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:35,440
show wanted me to believe that these women sleeping around

724
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,559
and swinging and drinking was very transgressive for Mormons, when

725
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,079
in fact, that is like the least. I mean, like, yeah,

726
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,800
Mormons aren't supposed to do that. You know, it's but

727
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,280
it's still like the most normal story ever told, which

728
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,239
is that people who feel like, you know, they aren't

729
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,360
able to go along with the flow to be in

730
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,679
the end of the world, get upset, lash out, and

731
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,400
then start doing the opposite of what they're told. Like,

732
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,480
there's just nothing interesting to me about that. It doesn't

733
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,920
prove anything about the Mormon Church, which I have lots

734
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,440
of opinions on. By the way, was.

735
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: It trying to like have an angle with the church

736
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:12,840
or was it?

737
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: Yes, it was the most cliche like Mormons are repressive

738
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,239
and it caused these girls to be sexually repressed and

739
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,079
lash out.

740
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: And are they glamorizing the lashing out or are they

741
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,119
all this is an actual serious issue amongst women in

742
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:29,800
the Mormon Church.

743
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: It's no, I mean, they're they're glamorizing or there I would,

744
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,119
I shouldn't say they're glamorizing. And I think what they're

745
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,880
saying is that, you know, these women were taught to

746
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,360
be ashamed of their sexuality. And it's not like that's

747
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,960
a heavy statement that comes every second of the show,

748
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,679
but that is the gist of it, and they become

749
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,920
influencers and start sort of that's the broader take away

750
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,760
a lot of people have. It's like, okay, so this

751
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,559
is their agency. They're the breadwinners in their families, not

752
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,760
the men. So it's kind of interesting in Mormon communities.

753
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,400
But most of them, if I'm remembering correctly, most of

754
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,159
them were not even faithful Mormons, Like they weren't hardcore.

755
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,519
Speaker 2: Their cultural Mormons, so to speak.

756
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,599
Speaker 1: Some of them were just cultural Mormons, not all of them.

757
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,239
And you know, I don't live in Suta like City

758
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,960
or Utah, so it's a very very distinct and different culture.

759
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,280
But to me, it just like was not that interesting

760
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:24,239
at all in any way. You know, it's so and

761
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,719
the takeaway was kind of like, I think the story

762
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:35,159
is interesting. It was very tabloidy, very It's hard for

763
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,239
me as a Bravo viewer to watch a lot of

764
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,119
the shows that come out on like TLC or just

765
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:46,079
other reality network Scifocate, which this one was on. But

766
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,719
because they're so Soapy's not to say there isn't scripting

767
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,800
and plenty of soap Onmbravo. That's intentional. They're supposed to

768
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,400
sort of be like real life soap operas. Andy knas

769
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,239
of them many times, but it's to me feels just

770
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,159
it's hard. It's like you've always driven a Porsche and

771
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:07,920
then somebody puts you in a Honda Accord.

772
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, acity.

773
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: I got hit by a Honda Accord at the end

774
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,440
of the day. By the way, Yeah, I'm really mad

775
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,400
about Honda Accords. I wasn't in the car, so yeah,

776
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,199
the prayers for my twenty twelve Foard escape the rip

777
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,960
hanging in there. Okay, Seco lives and Mormon Wives doesn't

778
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,039
know from Sam the only ones that have left. Are

779
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,599
Welcome to Wrexham? I'm assuming you didn't watch the new season.

780
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,119
Speaker 2: No, but I've seen some of it. It's offices hit.

781
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:37,559
Speaker 1: I like it.

782
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:38,199
Speaker 2: It's a fun show.

783
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad you say that. I feel sort of validated

784
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,519
by that, because I really didn't want to watch Welcome

785
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,000
to Wrexam. I hate American football culture, I'm sorry, American

786
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:51,719
soccer culture where Americans talk about football meaning soccer instead

787
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,840
of like what we all mean when we say football

788
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,679
in America. And I find that to be incredibly irritating.

789
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,320
So I never wanted to watch the show, and then

790
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,639
I watched the show and fell in love with it.

791
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:01,639
It was so charming.

792
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,519
Speaker 2: It's very heartwarming.

793
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,639
Speaker 1: You Yeah, someone's trying to get into the office. Will

794
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,679
We will cut this, but we'll leave a little bit

795
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,280
of it in, just for a flavor of the fun.

796
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: The left loves saying they want the rich to pay

797
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,639
their fair share, but they already do the Watchdout on

798
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,800
Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps

799
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,639
unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how it.

800
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Affects your wallet.

801
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:28,679
Speaker 4: In two thousand and three, the top ten percent of

802
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,559
earners paid fifty nine percent of the entire tax bill.

803
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:34,840
Today it's seventy two percent. The top one percent pay

804
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,280
over forty percent of our bill. Whether it's happening in

805
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

806
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: Be informed.

807
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: Check out the Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with

808
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,519
Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

809
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,039
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. That was actually from Nathan's Yeah, a

810
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,079
very bad man named Nathan who set off the alarm.

811
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,639
He's a sweetye pie, but and evil enough to set

812
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,239
off the alarm. The technology knows, to be.

813
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: Fair, that thing goes off if a truck drives.

814
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: Not very sensitive.

815
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just protecting me.

816
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,519
Speaker 1: So then, of course, the only things that we haven't

817
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,679
talked about yet, and I won't do this to you, Sam,

818
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,559
I watched all of the Housewives that aired this year

819
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,519
and Below Deck, and I think Below Deck is as

820
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,440
good as it's ever been. All of the franchises are

821
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:26,599
as good as they've ever been. I think Bravo is struggling.

822
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,440
The Real Houses of New York City season that's airing

823
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,519
right now is the best evidence of why it's still

824
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:34,920
doing well in Salt Lake City, struggling a bid in

825
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,199
Orange County, probably struggling a bit in Beverly Hills. But

826
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,920
you know what, overall, I think they're finding their stride.

827
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,719
But one takeaway that it had recently, Sam, this is

828
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,559
the last thing I'm going to say about TV until

829
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,280
you lead the way of movies is frankly, I think

830
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,840
Susan Sontag, in her notes on Camp, says that to

831
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,559
acknowledge camp is to betray it. I think the problem

832
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,480
that Bravo has right now is in the influencer culture.

833
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Too many people have realized that to be a good housewife,

834
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,039
what people like is camp, and they're way too self

835
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,199
aware about being camp. And you're not camp. If you're

836
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,840
trying to be camp, I'm sorry. It's just you're probably

837
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:20,559
too smart and too self aware. And I think that's

838
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,079
a problem with reality TV right now in general, is

839
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:27,079
that there's this idea, there's a mold, and if you're

840
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,280
straining to fit the mold, you are too self aware.

841
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,480
You're breaking the fourth wall in a way that's not entertaining.

842
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,320
And with that, Sam, I will seed the floor to

843
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,320
you to take us through Cinema of twenty twenty four

844
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,280
that's good. We both have pieces of paper, so real quick.

845
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: The shows that we didn't get to Showgun.

846
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Oh right, people loved it. I didn't want to The Penguin.

847
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,440
I saw an episode, loved it. I haven't had a

848
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,079
chance to finish.

849
00:41:55,079 --> 00:42:02,079
Speaker 2: But yes, Ted Comedy, Ted, they're doing a show.

850
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: Where it's right. I didn't watch it.

851
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,079
Speaker 2: It was good, would recommend. Wouldn't called a banger, but

852
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:10,639
it's fun. Yeah, it's just the rest are just you know,

853
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:11,639
nerd stuff.

854
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: So is it anime stuff? No? Go ahead, just to

855
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:16,039
read the list.

856
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: I had Invincible, which is like a show on Amazon.

857
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,880
It's like a comic book adaptation. Highly recommend. The Boys.

858
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible show. I've never loved it.

859
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: It's so bad. The satire is so ham fisted, it's

860
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,280
not even satire. It's just here is something that actually happened.

861
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,280
Here's a guy and I cape doing it. Isn't that funny?

862
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: Very cringe every time?

863
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,199
Speaker 2: Yes, it's horrible. That wraps it up for shows for me.

864
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now it's hime for me to be embarrassed, So.

865
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,519
Speaker 2: Take it away. Gladiator too, have you seen it?

866
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: No? Want to have heard very mixed things.

867
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I will spare you my thoughts on it because

868
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,760
I don't want to spoil anything. But if you like

869
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,239
the first one, and we talked about this a bit

870
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,320
the other day, where it's kind of just riding high

871
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,679
on the nostalgia of the first one, and that does

872
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:58,760
it a huge disservice. In a vacuum, it'd be a

873
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,519
fine movie by itself with some serious like pacing, character

874
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:06,840
motivation issues. Oh interesting, but it'd be entertaining. Nonetheless, it's

875
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,559
just it's Gladiator to not Gladiator. It doesn't need to exist,

876
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,679
can't live up to the hype, the substance.

877
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen it.

878
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: Oh you would love that you got to see it. Really,

879
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,639
it's a damning indictment on a celebrity, the cynicism and

880
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,559
superficiality of it all, and how like normal people are

881
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,679
prone to buy into it as well and enable it.

882
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,199
Deadpool Wolverine, Shockingly, I saw that, really, and I saw

883
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,960
it in theaters. It's a movie that you need to

884
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,599
see in theaters.

885
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,039
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not a Deadpool person, so.

886
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:38,599
Speaker 2: I think the character is horribly annoying.

887
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it surprised me that I thought it

888
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,360
was funny, like I got through it. I wasn't mad

889
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:45,639
at it.

890
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:46,119
Speaker 2: It was fun.

891
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:47,039
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad at it.

892
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:50,079
Speaker 2: This is a Christmas movie that I saw with my mom,

893
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:55,559
Red One. It's got Dwayne the Rock Johnson and yeah,

894
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,280
it just came out a couple of I haven't seen it.

895
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,880
It's very fun, like it's not going to be a

896
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,119
classic or anything. It's just, you know, Santa Claus got kidnapped,

897
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,039
here's the Rock and Chris Evans going to save him.

898
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:06,519
So it's fun.

899
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:07,119
Speaker 1: You know, I love it.

900
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: Just turn off your brain and eat some snow caps.

901
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:09,760
Smile too.

902
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Didn't see it.

903
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: I saw a weird amount of horror movies this year.

904
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,679
Alien Romulus didn't see it. Okay, it's good. Not the

905
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,559
best installment in the Alien franchise, but there's been some

906
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,639
low points recently people who aren't like big alien fanatics.

907
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,880
It's pretty good. The world building is very fun.

908
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Dune too, did not see it. But I'm sure you

909
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:31,599
have a lot of thoughts, and I'm sure listeners have

910
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:32,320
a lot of thoughts.

911
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: It's fine. I don't think it deserves like the standing

912
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000
ovation when the credits roll, but I thought it was

913
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,360
really good. It's entertaining, it's a nice follow up to

914
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:42,840
the first.

915
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: One, and why do you love me? Why do men

916
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,400
love Dune?

917
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,119
Speaker 2: So you're gonna ask why do I love men?

918
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,119
Speaker 1: Well I could have asked that too, But it's this

919
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,760
warm Miller light that I think is like like RFK

920
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,800
Junior would kick this out of my hand right now,

921
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,519
like this has been in a drawer for three years.

922
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,679
Speaker 2: Time to uh. It's basically kombucha at this point. Yeah, right,

923
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,519
so it's good for you. I think dudes just like

924
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,280
Dune because it's a it's cool. You know, it's like

925
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,480
those memes where guys will see this and just say, hell, yeah,

926
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:15,760
that's Dune too. It's cool stuff in space. It's a

927
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,239
guy who takes agency upon himself. You know, there's the

928
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,800
whole like destiny thing whatever, but it's a guy doing

929
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,239
cool stuff that's hard to do and wins everyone overhall

930
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,599
doing it.

931
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:26,039
Speaker 1: So it's it's just a dude movie.

932
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,119
Speaker 2: The Fall Guy.

933
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved it, very fun. I was disappointed by it.

934
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,360
I thought it could have been well. I thought this

935
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,559
was going to be great and it was good. Yeah,

936
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,639
I saw that in theaters. It was at my recommendation

937
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,079
to people at the time was to see this before

938
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,960
it's out of theaters, because it won't hit if it's

939
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:44,239
no in theaters.

940
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: It's another movie that's a love letter to Hollywood.

941
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, we all love Hollywood.

942
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it needed. If it's a love letter

943
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,159
to Hollywood, see it in theaters.

944
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: And we all love Hollywood. I mean, we all love

945
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,039
the idea of Hollywood.

946
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: We all love the movies. Yeah, but kind of like

947
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,840
La La Land, and it's a good movie.

948
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,079
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on aline.

949
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,559
Speaker 2: I think we did this in a summer review. Oh really, Yeah,

950
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,719
like a while ago, What Made You was still an intern.

951
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,840
But it's a love letter to Hollywood, So you have

952
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,840
to see it in the format you're supposed to see it.

953
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,280
You can watch it on the plane and you'll still

954
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,079
like it, but it doesn't have the same gravitasa that

955
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:17,639
what otherwise?

956
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, civil war No, but I'm curious what you thought

957
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:27,519
of it. This is an a twenty four thing, right, Yeah, you're.

958
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,159
Speaker 2: Trying to be very pleasing my language here. It's it's

959
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:33,119
a cinematic abortion.

960
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm pleasing my language. It's a cinematic He told me

961
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,719
not to. I thought that was your policed language version

962
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,719
of your review. That's that's a kind of why is

963
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,159
this okay? Because The Hunt. I remember when the trailer

964
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,679
for The Hunt came out, I wrote a quick piece

965
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,960
at federalists and said, well, I don't really need this,

966
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:58,559
and then the movie came out and everyone was like

967
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:02,760
conservatives owned like this movie was satirizing the idea that

968
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,039
you know, we were satirizing the left like brutally, like

969
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:10,159
blah blah blah. And I just remember being like, it's

970
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:17,199
it's porn. Yeah, yeah, it's it is porn for adiologues.

971
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, civil war is that. But on the next level,

972
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,039
the main character is like a grizzled female photojournalist. They

973
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,880
talk about the Antifa massacre, how that's how she made

974
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,559
her mark, was shooting that it's all about and the

975
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,639
president played by Nick Offerman, who sucks.

976
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,159
Speaker 1: He's fine as Ron Swanson.

977
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: That was the last thing he was good in. It's

978
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440
just a fill in for Trump. And they're very explicit

979
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,320
about it, like, oh, this guy wants to disband the FBI,

980
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,559
he wants to run for an unprecedent of the third term.

981
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,599
He's he's divisive, he's anti media. Whatever, it's porn, it's

982
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:56,039
just porn. Yeah, very self aggrandizing for you know the

983
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,000
media class. Sure, who loves a twenty four? I love

984
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:00,000
a twenty four? Who am I kidding?

985
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:01,079
Speaker 1: You know what everyone does?

986
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make it historically, they make some pretty good stuff. Yeah.

987
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,960
The one scene that everybody got excited for was when

988
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:14,519
I forget his name, Kirsen Dunst his husband who's in

989
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:15,599
the movie alongside her.

990
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Kirsen Dunst's husband.

991
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, he goes, so you're American? Huh what kind

992
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,800
of American? And it's supposed to be some kind of

993
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,079
like this the trailer. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be

994
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,000
some kind of ominous like are you are you white?

995
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:33,760
Are you minority? The guy saying it as a white guy,

996
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,599
I'm I gonna have to kill them because they're minority.

997
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,559
And the whole thing is based on geography, right, like

998
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,280
he lets the South Americans live but shoots someone from

999
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,039
I think Hong Kong. And that could have been a

1000
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:46,559
really like bone shilling moment, kind of like in No

1001
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:51,679
Country for Old Men, but it's not. It's just here's

1002
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:53,639
a guy who's going to shoot someone because they live

1003
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,320
in a country. They're from a place that doesn't end

1004
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,559
with America. Right, there's no like actual thought put into it.

1005
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,039
It's just when need someone to kill someone, and look

1006
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,880
means that we're going to do that. There could have

1007
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,079
been written very well Furiosa.

1008
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: No, didn't see it. Do you like Mad Max? No? Okay,

1009
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,199
never mind, absolutely hated fair enough.

1010
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: Well, Furiosa is a very It didn't need to be made,

1011
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,199
but it's a it's a fun Mad Max movie. It

1012
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,280
was made when there was a huge like we need

1013
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,639
more original female characters stuff. She was in a Fury Road.

1014
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: Okay, she's not in this one.

1015
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: No, I forget the name of the character of the actress.

1016
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,880
She's very popular right now. She is in everything she's in.

1017
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:36,039
Speaker 1: Oh it's Anya Taylor.

1018
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: Yes, she plays Fio Young Furiosa MS and it's how

1019
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,480
she decides to basically do what Lee's Throne does in

1020
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,800
Fury Road. I thought it was really good. It didn't

1021
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,320
need to be made, but it was entertaining.

1022
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,079
Speaker 1: Okay, people seem to like it a lot.

1023
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Saturday Night.

1024
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: Didn't see it yet, but I want to see it.

1025
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,480
Although I feel like I'll be disappointed by it.

1026
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,079
Speaker 2: I think you like it.

1027
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,599
Speaker 1: Okay, were you just women? No?

1028
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: I had no expectations anything with SNL attached to it.

1029
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:05,360
I'm going to go in cynical with YEP. But I

1030
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,639
was bored one night, and it's like, go to the

1031
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:07,280
movies and see this.

1032
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,679
Speaker 1: You went to the movies alone.

1033
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,039
Speaker 2: I go to the movies alone all the time.

1034
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:11,679
Speaker 1: You're one of those.

1035
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm one of those.

1036
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: I know a couple of people who are sort of

1037
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,559
dedicated to going to movies alone. I don't hate it.

1038
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: Don't going to list this long without going to the

1039
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:18,840
movies alone.

1040
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I've never I've never done it, to

1041
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,920
be honest, it's not that I can remember.

1042
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: It's more fun going to the movie with someone else nowadays,

1043
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,000
But if you want to go to the movies alone,

1044
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,599
there's no shame in it. Everyone does it till you

1045
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,000
saw Saturday Night and to us, well, yeah I saw

1046
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,400
that alone.

1047
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:31,599
Speaker 1: Though.

1048
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,559
Speaker 2: That's fun. I'd recommend it. It's I have no positive

1049
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,199
emotions about SNL. I don't have nostalgia for it. I've

1050
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,280
never really thought it was all that funny, but you know,

1051
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,400
it's an important part of American culture, so it's cool

1052
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,679
to kind of see like this love letter to it done.

1053
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:49,719
The acting is well done, the people who made it

1054
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,400
clearly love the source material.

1055
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: So you think the acting is well done. That's a

1056
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,039
really interesting point because they are playing very well known factors. Yeah,

1057
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,719
and that's an incredibly difficult thing to do, even just

1058
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,400
the look. I mean, if you look off, yeah, it's hard.

1059
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,599
And if you sound off and you walk off, it's

1060
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,719
very hard to do. Right.

1061
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: I forget the name of the actor who played dan

1062
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,320
Aykroyd in this, but I remember thinking his performance is really,

1063
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,679
really good. So I highly recommend it.

1064
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: Very interesting. I'm excited to see it.

1065
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,159
Speaker 2: It's very fun, and you don't have to see it

1066
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:21,960
in theaters even lets. I don't think you sure not

1067
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:23,760
joker fully.

1068
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,639
Speaker 1: Ado, Like how you didn't just say joker. I didn't

1069
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,199
see it, but I'm curious what you think.

1070
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: I'd be very careful with my lad they took that

1071
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,880
from me. I could do a whole separate podcast in

1072
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,639
this movie alone.

1073
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 1: But here, let's lay it on the table. I want

1074
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:41,679
to hear.

1075
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: And an interview I think was on Howard Stern, Quentin

1076
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,159
Tarantino said that Todd Phillips was giving a middle finger

1077
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,639
to the studio and to the audience. And if that's

1078
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,559
the case, fine, Like I intentionally intentionally, If you intentionally

1079
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,320
made a bad movie after gouging Warner Brothers for two

1080
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,519
hundred million, do I applaud you for that? But if

1081
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,559
what you did was take take a story that a

1082
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:10,239
lot of young guys really loved and defecated on it

1083
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,199
because it wasn't woke and they didn't a non woke

1084
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,519
audience was drawn to it in the first place.

1085
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,119
Speaker 1: Why so as a reaction to the Joker that came

1086
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,320
out right before COVID, last movie I saw before COVID,

1087
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:27,400
the theory is that Todd Phillips butchered this version, this

1088
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,559
iteration essentially.

1089
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of sympathetic to Todd Phillips at the

1090
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:38,039
snub the studio and the audience, because he might be

1091
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,559
of the opinion that the audience misinterpreted his art in

1092
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:43,079
a way he wasn't comfortable with, okay, and the studio

1093
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,199
was just barking at him to make a bunch of changes.

1094
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,679
So we just took a dump and called a joker too.

1095
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,199
I kind of thought that's the case. But the rest

1096
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,039
we will have to have an r rate to podcasts

1097
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,480
for me to use proper language.

1098
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,119
Speaker 1: You know, I was confused by I didn't. Obviously I

1099
00:52:58,159 --> 00:52:58,920
haven't seen it yet.

1100
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:59,559
Speaker 4: You.

1101
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,079
Speaker 1: I think everyone actually expected that movie to be good.

1102
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,960
It wasn't. People were like, oh boy.

1103
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,039
Speaker 2: Not in my corners of the Internet.

1104
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,599
Speaker 1: People were expecting it to be bad because of Lady Gaga.

1105
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,599
Speaker 2: Well, no, people were excited about Lady Gaga. People were

1106
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,719
expecting it to the address She's phenomenal and a star

1107
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:13,119
was born.

1108
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:13,639
Speaker 1: She rocks.

1109
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, people were expecting it to be bad because we

1110
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,960
were all expecting them just to thumb the nose at

1111
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:21,960
people who like love the first one and were really

1112
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:22,719
drawn at the first one.

1113
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,519
Speaker 1: Okay, so a nerd corner, this was expected to be bad.

1114
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,960
That's the corner that counts.

1115
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: We were all incredibly cynical about it.

1116
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: Okay, the trailer looked I mean I thought when the

1117
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,480
trailer came out, I was like, oh this is it

1118
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:33,519
was interesting. That's something.

1119
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think that there was just such an

1120
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,599
emotionally charged fan base for this movie. Yeah, that no

1121
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:40,880
matter what happened, people would have been unhappy. Yeah, Like

1122
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,519
Joker by itself was such a high watermark and just uh,

1123
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:48,559
I'll call it literally me Twitter's history. Then how can

1124
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,440
you top that? You can't? And so the only way

1125
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,320
you're going to do something else with it is to

1126
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,440
ruin the legacy.

1127
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, the background on Jokers obviously that and I

1128
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,280
remember we did a podcast on it at the Times

1129
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:00,960
years ago, five years ago.

1130
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: That young white guys were really drawn on this movie.

1131
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: And to a point that was going to cause mass

1132
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,679
shootings like happened with this was Aurora? What was what

1133
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,360
version of Batman was the Aurora color?

1134
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: That was the third Dark Knight movie.

1135
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so this was going new inspire a wave of

1136
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,199
violence and shouldn't be shown and there was a lot

1137
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:31,480
of pearl clutching and fainting couch type commentary and didn't manifest.

1138
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:32,719
It turned out to be an excellent movie.

1139
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: They were trying to They were trying to incite something, if.

1140
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: Anything, Yes, okay, So that informed the way people expected

1141
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,239
to say, Okay, got it, I'm caught, I'm up to

1142
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,239
speed now trap Nope, it.

1143
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: Seems like a really interesting premise. It was Shyamalan. So

1144
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:51,599
at a certain point, now.

1145
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,559
Speaker 1: Ah, this is the alarm going off because we have

1146
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,039
more visitors. We're preparing for the Christmas party, all right,

1147
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,559
So the alarm we've we've handled the situation of the

1148
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:02,840
alarm and Sam is back.

1149
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I have returned.

1150
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 1: He's very mad about the alarm though.

1151
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of that thing. Man trap. It could

1152
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:10,760
have been interesting premise. They were supposed to tell it

1153
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,199
from the perspective of, like, this serial killer has to

1154
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,760
escape the police, the FBI, et cetera. It was entertaining.

1155
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:22,320
It definitely like was self indulgent. The acting wasn't good.

1156
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,559
But if you just need something to do, turn your

1157
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,480
brain off full blondry while you're watching it.

1158
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, fly Me to the Moon it's on my list.

1159
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,880
I really liked it. Same it you like it.

1160
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,079
Speaker 2: It was very fun timing.

1161
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just it's a movie. You know,

1162
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,880
if you like Palm, if you like fly Me to

1163
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,880
the Moon, I think you like the show Palm Royal

1164
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:48,079
a similar, similar time period, nostalgic, similar tone in some ways. Yeah,

1165
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,400
and it is you know, you just sort of get

1166
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,119
lost in the world. It did a good job. The

1167
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,800
plot was well paced. It's not a brilliant movie. It's

1168
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,920
not a timeless movie. But it's a good movie.

1169
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: Right. It's aware of what it is. It doesn't take

1170
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:03,519
itself seriously.

1171
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a it's also very patriotic, which again

1172
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,599
it's like this is post top Gun the bar. Clearly

1173
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:13,119
someone greenlit this was like, oh top Gun did really well.

1174
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay to say that America does cool things

1175
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:15,920
every now and then.

1176
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1177
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:19,599
Speaker 2: Horizon and America Saga Part one.

1178
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: Did not see that.

1179
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,639
Speaker 2: You should because I really want to hear your opinion

1180
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,559
on this entire fiasco. But what's the name of the

1181
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:31,480
guy who made it? I forget whatever. It's this legacy

1182
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,960
Hollywood actor who from a Yellowstone Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner

1183
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,840
was really excited about this project.

1184
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: Oh I heard about this.

1185
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,559
Speaker 2: You got financing for like seven films. Ye, mortgage all

1186
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,559
of his properties to do so, so he's going to

1187
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:50,119
be homeless. And it just flopped. But it's it's a

1188
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:50,559
good movie.

1189
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: Oh it's good. Yeah, it's like two and.

1190
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,159
Speaker 2: A half hours. It's closer to three hours.

1191
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: Actually, why do you think it flopped?

1192
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: I was competing with something that that's month I forget exactly.

1193
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,519
Speaker 1: But we'll have legs and streaming if you break it.

1194
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:06,559
Speaker 2: Up, yes, if you turn if he turns this entire

1195
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,239
cinematic franchise seven movies into you know, a five season

1196
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,320
run it will do great. I think the issue is

1197
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,880
kind of like with Napoleon and the Irishman and make

1198
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,679
a lot of lists. To a degree, people don't really

1199
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,119
have the appetites for three hour movies.

1200
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: The appetites right. Well, So that's a great point because

1201
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,480
this is you know, you remember when Quibi came out? Yeah,

1202
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:34,719
and uh, great, great run for Reno nine one one

1203
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,599
on Quibi, by the way, that's the subplot nobody remembers.

1204
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:42,199
But Quibi was this period where we're really finally blending

1205
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:45,280
movies and TV in a very explicit way. They still

1206
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,599
had separate movies and TV shows, but was or like

1207
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:50,559
movies and TV are the same thing now, like we're

1208
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,639
spending all the same money. You can watch it whenever

1209
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:54,480
you want. You don't have to, you know, be in

1210
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:56,599
any physical place, Like you can watch movies just like

1211
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:58,559
you watch TV. Dan watch TV just like you watch movies.

1212
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:03,800
So I think it's probably getting hard for somebody like

1213
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,960
Kevin Costner, who is obviously a movie guy. Yeah, to

1214
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,920
do Yellowstone for so long, work with Yellowstone scripts, Yellowstone pacing,

1215
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,599
and then come out of it and not have a

1216
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:20,400
super long movie. I don't know. I bet that's really hard.

1217
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm definitely resected to that, and the movie crams a

1218
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,960
lot in like it. If you're going to make that

1219
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:29,400
a movie, it has to be three hours long. There's

1220
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,079
so much story to it. And I think that's another

1221
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:33,679
reason why I didn't do too well. It's just so much.

1222
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,199
There's like seven different character arcs going at the same time.

1223
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,559
It's hard to keep track of. It would thrive as

1224
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:40,119
a series, though.

1225
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: So you you invoked Napoleon and Megalopolis and that, yes,

1226
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,480
Megalopolis I haven't seen.

1227
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,079
Speaker 2: I haven't either. I probably won't see it at this point,

1228
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:50,559
just because I didn't see it in theaters, okay, and

1229
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,559
that's something that if you're not going to see it

1230
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:53,239
in the theater, you.

1231
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: Shouldn't watch it. Yeah. I think Copola might say that exactly. Yeah,

1232
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,960
I regret not seeing him same.

1233
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: But it was It's Copola, so it's going to be different.

1234
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:04,079
It's going to be his own vision. He's gonna do

1235
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,639
what he wants. It wasn't popular because it wasn't, you know,

1236
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:08,920
a corporate I mean, it is corporate, but it wasn't

1237
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,159
you know, a popcorn movie.

1238
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:13,079
Speaker 1: But it's also kind of anti I mean I'm very

1239
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:14,880
curious to see. But like what I've heard about it

1240
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,880
is that there's a there's a strong anti establishment streak

1241
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,679
to it. That's what i've heard, and pro Western. More importantly,

1242
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,360
I get the feeling it's very I mean, it's very art.

1243
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:29,039
It's not pro Western, but sort of pro Western heritage, a.

1244
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: Pro Western art tradition. I would say, yeah, at least

1245
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,800
from what I've read about it. I haven't seen it,

1246
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,920
so I can't say for sure. I'll try and speed

1247
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:36,360
through these.

1248
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:37,719
Speaker 1: No, you got time.

1249
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: Challengers, didn't see it. It's fun. Don't take the family

1250
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,079
to it, though, I will say that much.

1251
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,079
Speaker 1: Don't have a don't have a family of children, So

1252
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,039
I'm all good Garfield. I knew that you were going

1253
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,280
to say, Garfield. No, I didn't see it.

1254
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: It's fun, it's heartwarming, it's a cat eating lasagna. I mean,

1255
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,880
I wouldn't see it again unless I was like babysitting

1256
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,280
or something.

1257
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,519
Speaker 1: But do a good job at what it was doing.

1258
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: As far as telling a movie about Garfield, I wouldn't

1259
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,840
choose Chris Pratt to voice him.

1260
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,079
Speaker 1: Yes, it's ridiculous. It's like Chris Pratt is Mario. Yeah,

1261
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:11,159
it's so stupid.

1262
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: He can't have both. You can have one or the other.

1263
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:14,840
You can't have either, and it doesn't really work for

1264
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:15,960
either character to be.

1265
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:21,079
Speaker 1: I guess he's maybe better as Garfield, but Mario is insane. Yeah, insane.

1266
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: Twisters.

1267
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw it in theaters.

1268
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: The Yes, I saw it five times in theaters.

1269
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: Oh, this is the hottest federalist.

1270
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: This is a peak federalist. This is the federalist in

1271
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,639
one single take. Is a man seeing Twisters five times

1272
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,400
in theaters? That is the federalist in a take.

1273
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:42,559
Speaker 2: It was worth it. I have no regrets.

1274
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,559
Speaker 1: Why did you see Twisters five times in theaters? I

1275
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,639
saw it with some other people a social event. Oh no,

1276
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,360
I saw it like three times by myself. I saw

1277
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,519
it once with my mom.

1278
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: Dude, I saw once in my mom and once with

1279
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:54,719
my now girlfriend.

1280
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, of course, three times alone. It's a

1281
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,800
good movie that good at all would like seven times.

1282
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,960
I wouldn't see it twice.

1283
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,039
Speaker 2: You're missing out.

1284
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Twisters is middle brow in the way

1285
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,920
it should be. It's it is exactly what people want

1286
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:21,599
out of a movie. It is fast paced, it is enthrawling,

1287
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,239
it's not I mean, it's kind of lecturing at times,

1288
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,960
but how does it lecturely remind me?

1289
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,519
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it five If you see it five times,

1290
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:31,639
you'd have the same opinions.

1291
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: It gets a little like Girl Bossy, which like.

1292
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,719
Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, I see that, And there's kind of like

1293
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,519
some amasculine masculation stuff that happens there, but like whatever,

1294
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:43,760
it's still a fine movie. It's not like thumbing its

1295
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,440
nose at Christianity or telling you you're stupid if you're

1296
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,280
a rural American.

1297
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: It's pretty pro masculine too, I will sell.

1298
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like the tough guy who does stuff is

1299
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,320
the hero. The corporate guys who are squishy and like

1300
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,519
the beta. Yeah, like it's it is promasculine, but also

1301
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,440
like the girl Boss aspect of it all where she's

1302
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,079
mouthing off to like just want someone to tell her

1303
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:07,679
what they do type thing. I get that. Whatever, but you.

1304
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,199
Speaker 1: Know what that used to be. That didn't used to

1305
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:13,840
be politicized, right, Like that used to be Like if

1306
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,440
you go listen to like old country music, like it's

1307
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,360
way more strong, Like the women are much stronger, like

1308
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,280
the frontier women are much stronger. Like this is kind

1309
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:24,800
of American.

1310
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess it isn't that vain, but I

1311
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,320
guess given the context of it being a movie, I

1312
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,519
can't help but think it's just a messaging thing.

1313
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was a fun movie. You're right, it

1314
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,239
was a fun movie. It was great in theaters. It

1315
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,360
was great summer flick. It's a in the pantheon of

1316
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,840
like big blockbusters. It's not like the Top fifty ever,

1317
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,800
but it's good.

1318
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,159
Speaker 2: Fair Yeah, I agree with that. Kingdom of the Planet

1319
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:48,440
of the.

1320
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,119
Speaker 1: Apes didn't not see that.

1321
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,039
Speaker 2: It's fun. Monkeys are doing cool stuff.

1322
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,039
Speaker 1: I don't let that stand.

1323
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,119
Speaker 2: Ghostbusters, Frozen, Empire, No, Dan Aykroyd.

1324
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: There's just also going to let that stand.

1325
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Madam Webb, No, oh my gosh, you should

1326
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,079
see that it's fun.

1327
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:05,519
Speaker 1: You liked it.

1328
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: It's so bad, dude, it's so but it's fun bad.

1329
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:09,719
Speaker 1: You're liking it ironically.

1330
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, i've meta irony. I suppose I genuinely enjoy it

1331
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:16,880
because it's that bad.

1332
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: You're not young enough to be so gen z that

1333
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,559
you say things like meta irony.

1334
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,119
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time online. What do you

1335
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:25,440
want from its? Reagan?

1336
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,119
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't see it. I should have seen it.

1337
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:30,920
I didn't. I just haven't gotten to it yet. And

1338
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:32,960
it was actually it was. It was actually film partially

1339
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:33,719
at the Reagan ranch.

1340
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can watch it at home. You don't need

1341
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,440
to see it in theater. By any starch of the imagination,

1342
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:42,559
it's probably better if you see it at home because

1343
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,519
you want to see some of the bad, like cosmetic

1344
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:45,440
stuff they did to his face.

1345
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:48,719
Speaker 1: Ah. I heard very mixture views about it. It's but

1346
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:49,960
a lot of conservatives very happy.

1347
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's feel good, it's fun.

1348
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,679
Speaker 1: I love done. It's quid. Yeah, I love done. He's

1349
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,440
very good in that. And you know, I think there's

1350
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,679
a the nuance to Ronald Reagan is so lost if

1351
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:04,760
you're in sort of beltway Republican culture that I appreciate

1352
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,880
what they were doing with it too.

1353
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just feel good Americana. At the end of

1354
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:11,159
the day, I could easily someone doing something like that.

1355
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:14,119
I mean, they've done millions of these things for Obama.

1356
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,239
Speaker 1: So, which, by the way, is why. It's how you

1357
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:16,559
sweep fort United States.

1358
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,239
Speaker 2: Feel good Americana exactly, or you work in a McDonald's

1359
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:22,599
and drive a trash truck.

1360
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,559
Speaker 1: Feel good Americana did not sweep Fortnited states. Sorry, man,

1361
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,639
he swept.

1362
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: All fifty if we're doing the real results here.

1363
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:30,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1364
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,119
Speaker 2: The Watchers was produced by Shyamalan.

1365
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:38,199
Speaker 1: Terrible. Yeah. I wanted to see that one because it

1366
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:38,960
kind of looked interesting.

1367
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: It looked really interesting. I guess the book is supposed

1368
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,719
to be better where it has a cool take on

1369
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:46,519
like Celtic folklore and how like the.

1370
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:51,079
Speaker 1: Old ways clash with the new ways. It sucked argyle.

1371
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:55,440
I like, really it was fun, but it was so bad.

1372
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: It looked at times it was so overproduced. It's who

1373
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,079
is this for?

1374
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: What?

1375
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,639
Speaker 2: I mean, it's for normal people, but like the dance

1376
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,440
sequence with like the Coach books going off, that was

1377
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:06,000
so bad.

1378
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,679
Speaker 1: It's kind of camp. It's very kiddy. But I don't know.

1379
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,760
I don't exactly. I haven't seen it five times, but

1380
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:21,880
I remember was it dragged on for itself? Jessica Chastian

1381
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:22,760
stars in that, right.

1382
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:26,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I think she was. No, it's a Bryce Dallas.

1383
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks exactly like Jessica Chasting Yeah, yea Bryce.

1384
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: I think she was pregnant during it, huh, or I

1385
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,199
apologize if you were not pregnant.

1386
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't think Bryce d was listening to veterans. But

1387
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,440
I will say, although there are some surprising listeners, people

1388
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,199
would be perhaps surprise. But I will say that I

1389
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:48,280
thought that movie was like, really the world building in

1390
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,000
our gall was good. It was very enchanting.

1391
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:52,239
Speaker 2: It was it's fun. It's the guy who did the

1392
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,840
Kingsman movies, and granted those haven't really been doing great lately,

1393
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:03,079
but it's fun. Rebel Moon Part two I didn't. I

1394
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,519
don't know what Zack Snyder is doing these days. It's

1395
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:08,480
I'm tired, man. I defended him so hard for so long.

1396
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:13,960
Just retire stop, that's fair. And last one I have

1397
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:16,400
on here is Bob Marley One Love.

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01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: I did not see Bob Marley One Love. What did

1399
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:21,559
you think of it?

1400
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: I thought it was really fun. You like Bob Male

1401
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:25,320
so I listened to a ton of reggae growing up.

1402
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,599
Speaker 1: Okay, you're you're like, you're one of those kids, the

1403
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,760
Midwestern kids that walked around like a Pancho.

1404
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: And I still have a beanie.

1405
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: Ye, yes, it's fun, you know, I or a beanie.

1406
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:35,599
I respect Bob Marley.

1407
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: The the Jamaican accents were really hard at first. This

1408
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,239
movie probably should have had subtitles, but I read a

1409
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,840
bunch of Bob Marley biographies. I really enjoyed the movie.

1410
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,360
I think it was a nice love letter to Bob Marley.

1411
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: Oh so you're deep into reggae.

1412
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,199
Speaker 2: N Ironically, I really enjoyed reggae.

1413
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reggae is beautiful.

1414
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike wanted to see that didn't get to see.

1415
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:03,400
Is pretty long as well. Artists run through the field

1416
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,719
those quick. Am I racist? I haven't seen yet?

1417
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh, it's actually very good, very very good. I have

1418
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:13,079
Matt Walsh on both Undercurrents and Breaking Points, uh where

1419
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,599
he fought a little bit with my co host Ryan Graham,

1420
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,440
So I'm sure. But Ryan really liked the movie, and

1421
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:20,960
all of the leftists that I knew like to the movie,

1422
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,519
which I think speaks very highly to it. Because it's

1423
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:26,519
a it's biting. I think it's even better than Am

1424
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:27,000
I a woman?

1425
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:30,199
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree, I'm omen was good, but everything I've

1426
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:31,840
heard points that I'm a racist even better.

1427
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should watch it. It's very fun.

1428
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: Walsh and Grownment Revenge Most Foul not on my list.

1429
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:38,480
You got to see it. We're back.

1430
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: You haven't seen it? This is time you want to

1431
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:41,000
don't tell me?

1432
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,559
Speaker 2: I got them on you on Twitter too.

1433
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: It could be bad, how dare you?

1434
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:48,159
Speaker 2: It's wosment. It will be phenomenal. I haven't seen Despicable

1435
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:48,840
be For I.

1436
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,239
Speaker 1: Have It's on my list. I haven't seen it. I

1437
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,320
loved it. It was fun. I'm not even a big

1438
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,960
like Despicable me for. I'm just telling you, like, if

1439
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,559
there was something that was just minions, like No Guru

1440
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:01,360
or anything, that would be my preference.

1441
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:04,679
Speaker 2: There's two movies, takes and minions.

1442
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:06,199
Speaker 1: Do no I know, but like take all of the

1443
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:08,599
other parts of this world and just give me the minions.

1444
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:12,199
Like I just I would watch the minions like eat McDonald's.

1445
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,360
That's all I want is with AI.

1446
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,159
Speaker 2: You can make that happen.

1447
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:15,079
Speaker 1: They're so funny.

1448
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,119
Speaker 2: Bonhoeffer, made by Angel Studios.

1449
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: Did not see it.

1450
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: I've heard really good things. Haven't seen it yet.

1451
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,239
Speaker 1: His family was not pleased with real. Yeah. The Apprentice,

1452
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,560
I haven't seen it. Didn't see it. Do want to

1453
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:26,840
see it.

1454
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,199
Speaker 2: I've heard good things. Long Legs. I hear Nicholas Cage

1455
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:30,399
gives a phenomenal performance.

1456
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I am surprised by the way

1457
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,960
that you want to see The Apprentice. But I've heard

1458
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,399
that it's a pretty like dimensional performance.

1459
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, anything that's going to be about Donald

1460
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,520
Trump coming from Hollywood is not going to be friendly.

1461
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: But what doesn't that be friendly? We just has to

1462
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:45,039
do it.

1463
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: Justice right, and I don't know if this will do

1464
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,399
with justice. But the fact they're talking about the roy

1465
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,119
Cone angle here, I think it's particularly interesting. That's a

1466
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:53,439
story you really only hear in like Angels in America

1467
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:56,560
and oh yeah, Like, I'm very curious about what they

1468
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,199
have to say about that.

1469
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: Did you see the roy Cone doc? I think it's

1470
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,279
called Where's My roy Cone? Something like that, or get

1471
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,399
me roy Cone. It's really good. You'd like it.

1472
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: Check it out Megalopolis haven't seen.

1473
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: God.

1474
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 2: I cannot rem my hand writing. Nos Feratu I think

1475
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:13,359
comes out soon.

1476
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: Yep, looks good.

1477
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: The Lord of the Rings, the Wharf of the ro Ro?

1478
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,520
Here have you pronounce that Roe? Hurry?

1479
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,039
Speaker 1: If John Daniel Davidson were here, who would say, how

1480
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:23,319
are you?

1481
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: It's I'm trying my best. It's a hard way to pronounce,

1482
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:31,479
but it's taking it's taking a story from Themarillion.

1483
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:37,279
Speaker 1: And John loves the Marillion. I'm not surprised, and he sleeps.

1484
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: With it under his pillow that in the Catechism. I'm

1485
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,640
very like, I want to see how they tell the

1486
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,600
story through like an anime angle. The art looks really interesting.

1487
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,920
I've heard really, really, really bad things. It's not the

1488
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,239
fact that it's anime. It's it's telling an interesting story

1489
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:53,319
through an interesting medium.

1490
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:55,119
Speaker 1: But by the way, Ifvida had a lovely piece on

1491
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,000
Looce and the Federalist Avita Duffie Alfonso had a lovely piece,

1492
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,920
because basically what I was just going to do was

1493
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,840
some type of underhanded common about anime. But I thought

1494
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,840
Ida made a lot of very wonderful points about the

1495
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,760
new Vatican Jubilee mascot I believe, So take a look

1496
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:15,039
at that.

1497
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: We love loose. I didn't. That's why I went in

1498
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,960
to see Beetle Juice. Beetle Juice that had to leave

1499
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:26,720
like fifteen minutes in, so I would like to see period.

1500
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,600
Yeah you know it, Yeah it happened.

1501
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: Someone's maybe can't make that out, but leave it in

1502
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:34,279
the wild.

1503
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,159
Speaker 2: Robot looks beautiful. I think it's DreamWorks Animation. They've been

1504
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:39,560
doing really innovative stuff over.

1505
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:46,399
Speaker 1: There, like what is this nineteen ninety nine? I'm sorry,

1506
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:48,359
the Shrek movie is Well, no, I'm just saying you're

1507
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:50,319
a little you're a little late to the DreamWorks being

1508
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:51,560
in at they're.

1509
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 2: Doing something different. Yeah, okay, fine, whatever, but they're doing

1510
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,119
something totally different, whereas with Disney it's all this pixarification

1511
01:10:57,279 --> 01:10:59,520
of everything and everything just gross.

1512
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:05,279
Speaker 1: Three. It was just the way you said, Yes, you

1513
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:06,439
didn't have to defend yourself.

1514
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: I will not read the rest of my list because

1515
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,039
it is nerd stuff that I will get bullied for.

1516
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,279
Speaker 1: Well, okay, there's one thing. One thing I'm surprised you

1517
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:14,960
didn't have on your list was Blink Twice. You saw

1518
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,199
a lot of horror films this year. That is Zoe

1519
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:20,680
Kravitz Chane Tan. They've now since broke up. By the way,

1520
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:27,079
what was the what was the movie about the chef

1521
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,800
from a couple of years ago where it turns into

1522
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:36,560
a horror film. Yes, the menu Blink Twice is like

1523
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:43,199
a bloated more a bloated sort of ham fisted version

1524
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:46,680
of the menu. Now that said, there are parts of

1525
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,840
it that are really enthralling, and so it's it's overall

1526
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,000
good movie. That's just a little too long.

1527
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,079
Speaker 2: I think that's fair that the menu was kind of

1528
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:54,439
insists upon itself.

1529
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it just blink twice very much. So, okay,

1530
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:01,279
so you didn't see a couple of comedies you didn't

1531
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,760
see did you see Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare? I wanted

1532
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,920
to You will love that? Okay, excellent sky Richie right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1533
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,119
it's it's very guy Ritchie is very very good, tons

1534
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:12,279
of fun, one of his best.

1535
01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 2: I think have you seen The Gentlemen?

1536
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: Gentleman?

1537
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: Probably it's got mathewmcconaughey, Guy, Richie.

1538
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: Oh, the show, No, it's.

1539
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 2: It's The show is like is a sequel to the movie?

1540
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: No? I mean I know that, but no I didn't

1541
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,800
see it. No, I wanted to see it. But it's

1542
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,680
very fun basically what happens. My boyfriend watched it himself,

1543
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,560
and in many such cases, many such cases. Yes, so

1544
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,439
then Ricky Staniki John.

1545
01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:39,159
Speaker 2: C Zach had it on here.

1546
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were your thoughts? Lame? Fine, not even fine.

1547
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: Actually of like the mid aughts when just there were

1548
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,640
new comedies every couple of months. Yes, no one's going

1549
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,600
to really remember this other than the fact it was

1550
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,720
a comedy that came out in a time.

1551
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: Yes, that was kind of usual. For it to come out.

1552
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:06,039
You know, Well said, it's almost like a yeah, Well said,

1553
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:07,760
that's it. That's very true. I'm trying to think of

1554
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,960
like a good example of what like two thousand and

1555
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:14,199
seven movie it might remind me of. But you're right,

1556
01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:16,840
it is sort of like that, except it's not quite

1557
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,800
as good as some of those were, even some of

1558
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:19,640
the lesser known ones.

1559
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 2: There were some really great parody movies at the time.

1560
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,399
Speaker 1: Well, don't even get me started. I mean, I think

1561
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,640
it's a tragedy of the day that we aren't still

1562
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,000
doing the scary movie franchise.

1563
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: I heard It's coming back.

1564
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: That scares me. It's making a true comeback. Then I'm

1565
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,800
all for fair jack Pot. It was another that was

1566
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,399
with Aquafina and John Cena. I thought it was going

1567
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,520
to be better than it was. Okay, really lame, Like

1568
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,119
just it's fun. So if you if you just need

1569
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,199
an easy comedy, like you said, well you're folding laundry,

1570
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,520
which is never a thing I do with movies only TV.

1571
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:58,399
But if you just need a quick then you can

1572
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,279
put Jackpot's fine. You'll get a couple laughs out of it. Wolves.

1573
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,640
I'm surprised you didn't watch George Clooney Brad Pitt Oh

1574
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,039
on Apple TV. Yes, was it not in theaters? I thought,

1575
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:15,039
I don't believe so maybe not excellent? Very that is

1576
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:18,439
like Wolves is what movies are supposed to be. It's

1577
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,560
not what like the It's not a classic unless it's

1578
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,239
maybe it's the classic. I mean, it's just a good

1579
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,720
It's exactly why people watch movies. It's super entertaining. You

1580
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,479
never forget or you never remember that you're not watching movie,

1581
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,560
right like. That was very poorly said. It's this warm

1582
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,279
beer again, but you never you never get out of

1583
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:45,560
the drama, right like. It was just an hour and

1584
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,239
a half or an hour and forty minutes whatever of action

1585
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,479
and fun. Pit and Clooney are leading men who dominate,

1586
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,439
and it's a pleasure to watch them together with a

1587
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,119
really good plot. It's fun, sort of New York mystery.

1588
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:06,000
So I highly recommend fair Enough. You didn't have greedy

1589
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:06,880
people on your list?

1590
01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 2: Did not see that?

1591
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:12,159
Speaker 1: Very good Joseph Gordon Levitt, Oh, he made a comeback. Excellent, excellent, excellent.

1592
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,560
That's a really I thought it was a really sharp movie.

1593
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: Unfrosted, unfrosted.

1594
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: No. Jerry Seinfeld doing the whole pop tarts.

1595
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:24,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't see that one, but

1596
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:24,680
I heard about it.

1597
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like you would like it, ironically

1598
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,359
check it out. It was Honestly, I thought it an

1599
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:33,600
unfair wrap. It's there's some super cringing moments in it

1600
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,319
that I'm surprised made the cut because a lot of

1601
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:38,199
people involved in the movie are just better than that.

1602
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,479
There's so many really, really good people in it that

1603
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,159
you know, it's anytime Jerry Seinfeld does something that isn't perfect,

1604
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,119
I get why people are like, dude, what are you doing?

1605
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,359
So I understand that, but it also was like funny.

1606
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:56,720
It was fine. It's a Netflix comedy, calmed down.

1607
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,119
Speaker 2: The standards can't be too high.

1608
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: No, although I get Seinfeld's involved in something with the

1609
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,600
standards it had. It also had a very heavy press

1610
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,039
tour and everyone was remember that. Yeah. Last one my

1611
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:14,079
list was Thelma, did not see that? Funny smart Thelma

1612
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:19,000
and Louise. Okay, no, no, it's June what's her name?

1613
01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:19,800
From Nebraska?

1614
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:22,079
Speaker 2: That there was a down considerably.

1615
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: Nebraska, the movie.

1616
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Speaker 2: From not from this How many June's live in Nebraska

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a lot? Probably?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's the end of the list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, same time next year.

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Speaker 1: Next year he's eager to go buy booze for the

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Christmas party. We're about to have to get pizza. I

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think when we recorded this last year, Eddie was like

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unloading Eddie Scary was like unloading beers into a cool

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You can just hear it in the backgrounds. So last

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year it was the beers in the colols. This year

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it's this year it's the alarm. Yeah, good times, Tim.

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It was a pleasure to be back. It feels we're

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actually physically at the microphones where we used to record together.

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And I used to record with Bedford every Thursday, so

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in the same chairs with the same microphone I got

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to do. Yeah, this was like an absolute blast.

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Speaker 2: So thanks for doing it with me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, no problem. Anytime you've been

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listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. We

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will be back soon with more. Until then, be lovers

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of freedom and anxious for the fry.