WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.000 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.120 on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog, 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.960 my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.640 I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.120 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:17.800 the fence and he was dead. And once you hit 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.679 the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I 8 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:38.320 saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.960 are you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling 10 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:51.759 around out here. Did you see what it was or 11 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.159 was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through 12 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:55.920 the window now and I don't see anything. I don't 13 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:03.880 want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get 14 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:04.760 somebody out here. 15 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:06.000 Quin, I'm out there. 16 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.560 I thought of a bitch about tick forty nine. I 17 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.480 don't know easy him out there. Yeah, I'm walking right. Hey, 18 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:12.439 all right? 19 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.079 From someone to welcome o guest to the show. It 20 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:19.000 is Sean Forker, host of the Sasquatch Experience podcast. Welcome 21 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:19.599 to the show man. 22 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:21.760 Thanks for having me, Brian. It's been a long time 23 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.439 since we've met in Tennessee, and now here we are 24 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:25.640 sitting down to have a conversation. 25 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:26.560 I know. 26 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.200 I was just going through an episode that's airing as 27 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.519 we record this tomorrow of a conversation I had with 28 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.040 Ken Gearhard. I was looking back through our email chain 29 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.879 and Ken and I were talking since twenty and twenty two, 30 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.159 and it took me four years to get him on 31 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.239 the podcast. So I think we've done a little bit 32 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.719 better with getting you on the podcast. It hasn't been 33 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.239 quite four years, but I have been excited about this 34 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.640 conversation forever, man, So let's get right into it. Let's 35 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:56.200 talk about this big for a thing. What in the 36 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:58.599 hell got you interested in the subject to begin with? 37 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.400 Well, I wish I could say it was like a 38 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.319 sighting that got me interested in it, but it was 39 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:05.560 a book. I think, like most of us, there was 40 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:07.760 some sort of genesis that got us started into this. 41 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.719 I was fortunate to grow up into a house where 42 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.000 we talked about the paranormal, the weird, and there were 43 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.919 always shows on like In Search of Unsolved Mysteries Arthur C. 44 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.520 Clark's Mysterious World. That stuff was always kind of on 45 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.520 in my home growing up. My dad and my grandpa 46 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.280 were into the esoteric, strange, the more paranormal than like Bigfoot. 47 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.400 But I remember my grandfather having books are out of 48 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.520 like strange Creatures of the Amazon, and those books just 49 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:37.240 enthralled me, and I was hooked. And then I saw 50 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.599 the in Search of episode that had Bigfoot, and I'm like, wow, Bigfoot, 51 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:42.960 that's amazing. I'm really into this now, I'm hooked right 52 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.639 big Harry Montster is walking around the forest of the 53 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.120 Pacific Northwest on a family vacation on the way to 54 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.919 Virginia to see my uncle. I don't know how or 55 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.960 where my dad stopped. He picked up a book called 56 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.240 Sasquad Shapes among Us by John Green. I love the talk, 57 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.240 always has since I was a kid, and sometimes when 58 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:01.400 you're a kid, you don't know how to meet her 59 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:03.759 that right, So it gives me this book to read, 60 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.840 which I probably had no business reading at like eight, 61 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.759 but I devoured that book on the entire vacation. I'll 62 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:13.039 remember the vacation. I remember the book when I got 63 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.120 to that chapter called Eastern Action and realized that there 64 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.159 were these things happening in Pennsylvania. My God, that that 65 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.520 was everything I wanted to do, and it just took me. 66 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.439 As I got to be a little bit older as 67 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.800 a teenager. I got to start seeing these areas. The 68 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:32.479 Internet became a thing. Started talking to people on the Internet, 69 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.439 which you could do back then and not have to 70 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:35.840 worry about the things you have to worry about now 71 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:37.280 when you're talk to people on the internet. You know, 72 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:39.800 got to realize that this phenomenon. I wasn't just the 73 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:41.800 only one interested in it. There wasn't just a handful 74 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:43.719 of people interested in it. There were hundreds of people 75 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.479 interested in this. There was an organization in Pennsylvania that 76 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.199 I ended up joining, the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, went on 77 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:55.719 some expeditions with them, started investigating, setting reports, talking to 78 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.800 people that had these encounters, and it's just become here 79 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.039 we are. It's two thousand, twenty six. I've been doing this, 80 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.159 you know, over thirty years now. It's been incredible, Man, 81 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:06.039 it's been incredible. 82 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.000 Let's talk a little bit about the genesis of the show, 83 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.599 the Sasquatch experience, because when I first got into this, 84 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:14.759 I had my first experience. I think when I was 85 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.240 twelve years old and I went into law enforcement. For 86 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.639 sixteen years, I didn't talk about the subject with anybody 87 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:27.040 then twenty twenty, twenty twenty one or so I started 88 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.519 really getting back into the research of this, and I 89 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.360 decided to start Sasquatch Odyssey, and I wanted it to 90 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:39.759 be me talking to people specifically from the Southeastern United States, 91 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.399 because typically when you get into the subject, most of 92 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:49.759 it is centered in the Pacific Northwest, and I wanted 93 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:54.360 to specifically talk about and talk to people that it 94 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.279 had experiences in the Southeastern United States, which is where 95 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:00.560 I was born and raised. I was born and raised 96 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.639 in North Georgia. We now own forty acres here in 97 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.959 North Carolina. But the majority of what I was looking 98 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:11.800 at was I think this is something that happens across 99 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:16.120 the country and literally around the world. So I wanted 100 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.240 to talk to people that had experiences closer to home 101 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:23.360 for me. So I started my show to become kind 102 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.600 of this repository, if you will, of people that had 103 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.800 had experiences with these creatures in the Southeastern United States. 104 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.160 We're talking Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, the Carolinas. You have been 105 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:39.879 in this podcast game way before podcasting was a thing. 106 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.879 So let's talk a little bit about the genesis of 107 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:48.879 the sasquatch experience. What made you want to start a 108 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.639 podcast about these experiences that people are having with this 109 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:53.600 particular creature. 110 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:59.600 That's a really great question, Brian, because actually the Sasquatch experience. 111 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:01.720 The pot Cast started in two thousand and six. We 112 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:05.160 were the second Bigfoot dedicated podcast. Steve Coles beat me 113 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.120 by a couple months, but we were the second dedicated 114 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.399 podcast to Bigfoot. But we used to get together with 115 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.199 a group of friends on Yahoo Messenger and we would 116 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.120 listen to all the old radio shows like Bigfoot Central. 117 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.560 That was a couple online streaming shows in really podcasts 118 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.600 back then there was no live element to it. We 119 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:24.839 would listen to Coast to Coast together, we would listen 120 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.079 to The X Zone with Rob McConnell out of Canada. 121 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.839 And it was during an episode of The X Zone 122 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:31.759 with Rob McConnell a bunch of us got together and 123 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.279 we were listening to some gentlemen on there talking about 124 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.199 something and immediately we realized what they were saying was 125 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.800 absolute bullshit. Well, Rob McConnell had a phone line, so 126 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.720 we called in and was talking to Rob and he 127 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.360 started listening to us asking some tough questions, caught him 128 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.839 in the lie, you know, he burned him off the 129 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.639 air and then after that he wanted to have me 130 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:56.120 on as a monthly segment to talk about Bigfoot. So 131 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.240 that's how that kind of started. When Bigfoot started dying down, 132 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.639 he started having us on a little less. I was like, 133 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.639 you know, I kind of like this. We already kind 134 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.240 of have an audience in our friends, and there's this 135 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.439 platform out there called blog talk radio. Steve Coles introduced 136 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.000 us to it. We just picked a time and a date. 137 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.000 I picked a co host, Henry May, one of my 138 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.040 good friends. I bust Henry's balls endlessly over twenty years. 139 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:18.759 I'm sure he sometimes he wished he never would have 140 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.800 met me, but we've had a great friendship. Probably over 141 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.079 twenty five years now, we've had a great friendship. It's 142 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.720 been an incredible journey to talk to all these people involved. 143 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.360 So we started the podcast and we had a live audience. 144 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.120 We could take callers, so we'd get people calling in 145 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.560 to start sharing some of their encounters. Sometimes you'd get 146 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:37.399 the hecklers, sometimes you would get a real compelling case. 147 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:39.959 And then we started asking people like doctor Jeff Mildrum, 148 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.439 started asking the bigger name research as they'd come on 149 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:45.480 and talk to us. Because now we have this platform, 150 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.000 people are listening. You know, we're getting analytics that, hey, 151 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.120 people are listening to this show. Blog Talk Radio was 152 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:53.879 very happy because we have this niche audience that's coming 153 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.680 to us we're doing these podcasts. So they put us 154 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.639 and a Steve Calls together for like a round table show. 155 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:02.800 Then more podcasts start and they did a second round 156 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.079 table show. So they realized that, wow, not only did 157 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.040 this have an audience, it's started to take off, and 158 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.000 now it's creating more content. So we kind of spurred 159 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.639 that content creation through podcasting, and we started getting little 160 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:17.600 bits of ad revenue here and there. It wasn't anything 161 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.399 robust like we see today, not that I'm seeing thousands 162 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.639 of dollars by any means, but it was really cool 163 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.639 for that to happen. We just happened to be at 164 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.879 the right place at the right time with the technology emerging, 165 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.960 and just happened to have a platform because we stepped 166 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.200 up and told a couple guys they were full of shit, 167 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.559 and it started the whole journey for this. 168 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:44.240 I absolutely love that I have multiple podcasts sasquach Odyssy 169 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:48.559 is the genesis, but I host multiple podcasts and one 170 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.320 of them is that Bigfoot podcast where we kind of 171 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.559 take down hoaxers, talk about the people who hoax. I 172 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.320 think that is something that we as a community need 173 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:02.759 to talk more about and be has agree because it happens, 174 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:04.960 and it's one of the things that we need to 175 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.279 be honest about, confront it, talk about it, and then 176 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.799 move forward. Let me ask you this, at this point 177 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.240 you started the podcast, You've gotten into this. Did your 178 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.639 research part of this component for you as far as 179 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.200 being a part of this community, start before or after 180 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.120 you started the podcast, because I know you've been out 181 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.519 You've been researching this for a lot of years. So 182 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:30.240 Rice came first. Let's talk a little bit about the 183 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.600 research that you put into this subject. 184 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.519 The research came first. I think that was always one 185 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.000 thing I've been more proud of. And now there's anything 186 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.759 wrong with the armshare researcher because some people physically can't 187 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.600 get out and do this right. I'm no lightweight. I 188 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:45.840 still get out there, contrary to what some people think. 189 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:46.919 I'm not just a big guy. 190 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:47.679 I do move. 191 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.399 I'm pretty agile for a fat fella. I also like 192 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.279 to eat. That's part of the problem. Bigfoot, big barbecue, 193 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.720 big beer, you know, we like that stuff. So I've 194 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:58.200 been researching since I was young, you know, in my 195 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.039 late teens, early twenties, So that started before the podcast. 196 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.000 The podcast when we start when I was twenty years old, 197 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.320 so I was actually a lot of my researchers running 198 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.440 concurrently with the podcast, But the podcast opened doors for 199 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.440 that by allowing me to meet other researchers, going out 200 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.159 into the field with them learning. We had a really 201 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.519 good sense of learning and experimentation and trying things because 202 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.480 back then we really didn't have all the data we 203 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.919 have now on things like tree knocking, Like when did 204 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.000 tree knocking start? You know, how do we know it's useful? 205 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.200 The howls, Like half the evidence we have now wasn't 206 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.320 even collected then. So it was really you know, being 207 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.759 on the shoulders of some of those researchers, the guys 208 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.639 that collected the Skukum cast and a lot of the 209 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.679 early researchers out in the Pacific Northwest, like Rick Noll 210 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.159 coming on talking about the importance of photography and using 211 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.919 the right camera and using the right tools, which is 212 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.240 something I've always tried to perpetuate throughout the need of 213 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.240 the podcast. For me, the podcast has not just been 214 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.080 an outlet to talk to people. It's an opportunity to 215 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.200 educate and to step back to what you said, kind 216 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.879 of keep the good information out there. The hoaxers cost 217 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.519 us a lot of money, and I know people are like, 218 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:11.799 oh well, how so, well, think about it. We have 219 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:14.600 to pay for our own time, our own fuel, our 220 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.000 own resources to go out and investigate these claims. It's 221 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.519 not free. It's free for folks to maybe listen to 222 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.679 these programs, but it's not free to go out and investigate. 223 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:25.360 There's a lot of money for equipment. So when we 224 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.240 have to go out there and waste our resources, most 225 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:32.360 importantly our time, which I'm not doing this full time. 226 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:34.799 I still have a full time occupation, you know. And 227 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.440 I'm a dad and a husband, a son, and a friend. 228 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:40.600 So were you wasting the largest commodity thing we have 229 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.200 of time that we could be spending on more important things, 230 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.200 more realistic or more real claims and sightings that are 231 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.360 coming out there. And the one downside, Brian, I would 232 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.480 think that we've done as podcasters, and though not intentionally, 233 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.440 is we've made it easier for people to hoax now 234 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.200 more than ever. The thing is they're not getting any 235 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.799 better at it, but we've made it easier for folks 236 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:02.240 to do it. 237 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:04.399 Yeah, I'm right there with you. 238 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:04.679 Man. 239 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:09.200 When I first got into the subject, many many many 240 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.840 moons ago, coaxers weren't on my radar. When I was 241 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.440 a cop, I didn't really look into the subject. I 242 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.879 wasn't a part of the subject because that's something you 243 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:23.159 just don't talk about as a police officer. 244 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.000 You got to worry about that as law enforcement. 245 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.960 Yeah, I've talked about this as a guest on another podcasts. 246 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.080 I did a lot of DUI cases for a couple 247 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.799 of years. I worked UI and DUI attorneys in general 248 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.159 are just relentless and anything they can find to bring 249 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.039 some sort of question to the arresting officer, they're going 250 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:49.120 to do that. So I completely shut this bigfoot thing down. 251 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.240 I'd had a UFO experience when I was sixteen. I 252 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.799 shut that down and I just completely removed myself. But 253 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.639 when I got back into this, I left law enforcement 254 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:04.200 in twenty sixteen and I got into researching again. We 255 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.679 bought the property here. We're on forty acres of land 256 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:12.799 in North Carolina. I specifically bought this property hoping there 257 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:19.000 was some potential there for the research into potential sasquatch activity. 258 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.360 So I really didn't get back into the subject until 259 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.720 twenty sixteen. But I have found very similar to what 260 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.000 you're talking about. When you get into the subject and 261 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:33.840 you start talking to people, it's very difficult to sort 262 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.000 through the wheat and the shaff, if you will. So 263 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.080 before we get into some of the crazy things that 264 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.720 you've experienced, let's talk about some of the things that 265 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.480 stuck out to you when you first got into whether 266 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.559 it be podcasting or looking into the subjects. What were 267 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.840 some of the big stories or encounters that stuck out 268 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.759 to you when you started getting into the subject. Is 269 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.240 there anything that you can remember that stuck out to you, 270 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:04.159 whether it be a scary experience or an experience in general, 271 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.519 that stuck out to you as a researcher in the subject. 272 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.559 I think there's been quite a few. Some of them 273 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:14.559 are funny because they start off as intentional sighting reports. 274 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.200 The first report I ever investigated one of the first reports, 275 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.799 I don't think it's the first. I'm writing a book 276 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:21.879 right now, by the way, so a lot of this 277 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.559 information's fresh in my mind because I'm trying to recycle 278 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.879 it and get through it to push it out there 279 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:31.120 on paper. It was a lady that lived in a 280 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.360 town over for me. She was riding her bicycle on 281 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.559 a wooded road and felt something stalking her. She's riding 282 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.919 on the road, there's the burma of the road, a guardrail, 283 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.279 and then right under it is like a little plateau 284 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.720 that she felt something was watching her from that little area, 285 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.960 paralleling her as she's riding on her bicycle. As she's 286 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.240 going faster on her bicycle, this thing's keeping up, and 287 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.000 so she gets a glimpse of like a black shadow, 288 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.600 which really freaks her out. She starts peddling faster. This 289 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.919 thing starts coming after her faster. She gets to the 290 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.759 trail to her house, haul's ass up the trail to 291 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:11.000 her home on the biden goes inside. 292 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.519 And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we'll 293 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:16.879 be right back after these messages. 294 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:23.159 And doesn't have any other encounter with this thing that 295 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.039 she can recollect now. That next day she comes out 296 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.600 and something had gone through her track and it lifted 297 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.759 the trash out of the can, not knocked it over 298 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:34.559 and sort, but took it out of the can and 299 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.879 was going through it like a person would almost like 300 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:40.279 it was very curious, is what was I after? That 301 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:43.080 freaked her out. That freaked her out to no end. 302 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.320 And so we went out and investigated that, and I 303 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.399 found her to be very credible. You know, that's intense. 304 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.960 Then you start realizing and all this, well, shit, I'm 305 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.279 just not an investigator. Now I have to be a psychologist. 306 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.200 Now I have to find a way to calm these 307 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.639 people down and tell them that, you know, yeah, the 308 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:02.639 world doesn't say this is normal, but you know, we 309 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.279 could be dealing with a completely normal animal here. I 310 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.519 don't think there's anything to be alarmed. If there is, 311 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.279 you have the authorities to call. Maybe you wouldn't call 312 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:11.919 and say you got a big foot outside, but you 313 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:13.840 call and say, maybe there's a bear out here or 314 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.440 something out here bothering me. You spend a lot of 315 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.320 time reassuring people and kind of going through When you 316 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.159 start eliminating what it can't be, it starts to open 317 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.759 those eyes to what really can it be. When you 318 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:26.720 do this, as long as we have Brian, you can 319 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.919 start eliminating things like bears and other animals pretty easily, 320 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.159 like they have known behaviors. But when you have something 321 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.600 that's starting to act more like us, but makes no 322 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.679 sense for it to be a person or the physical 323 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:42.399 dynamics don't match. That's a pretty interesting thing. Then you're 324 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.000 on a whole nother ballgame, and that's where I'm stuck 325 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.720 with all this, because there's a lot of these encounters 326 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:52.399 that happen where you can easily write off everything. You 327 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.960 could write off known animals, you can write off people, 328 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.159 but there's an intangible element there you can't write off, 329 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:01.720 and nobody wants to seem to acknowledge it. And there's 330 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.840 a lot of reasons why I think places don't want 331 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.880 to acknowledge that. We can get into that a little later, 332 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:09.720 But that first encounter with that woman on the bicycle 333 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.720 and that town over was really cool and I felt 334 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.400 kind of special to have that one. Then as we 335 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.839 started doing the podcast, it was so alarming to me 336 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.480 how many people were just stuck on the Patterson Gimlin film. 337 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.640 People can't get over that, and I love it. It's 338 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.119 a great piece of footage. It's going to be inconclusive forever. 339 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:30.799 It doesn't matter what we think is on it. We 340 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.000 can't prove it. But we spent so many man hours 341 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.799 and people have analyzed this more than the Kennedy film 342 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.519 to try to prove it's a man in a suit 343 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.119 or it's a real biological creature. And for the life 344 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.079 of me, Brian, I don't understand how still in twenty 345 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.839 twenty six we can't get a damn determination on it, Like, 346 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.680 let's just call it what it is. Nobody can prove 347 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.160 it's a suit. And for me, that's the bigger catch 348 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:58.079 of it all because it irritates you because the video 349 00:17:58.119 --> 00:17:59.680 could be sketchy. We could say, yeah, it's a man 350 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.599 in this whatever. I've met Bob Gimblin, He's a great guy. 351 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:05.359 Some of the best guys in the world can still 352 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:06.960 be full of shit. Doesn't mean they're bad people, just 353 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.480 means they're good storytellers. I don't know. I met Bob, 354 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.000 I found him to be genuine. But nobody's been able 355 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.400 to produce a suit. Nobody's been able to tell us 356 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.519 how many pieces that suit was in. Nobody could tell 357 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.799 us what it's made of, Nobody can get the color right. 358 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.599 Like how hard is it to get your facts straight? 359 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.039 If you're trying to say you're the one who hoaxed it, 360 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.640 you think you would have all the proof you need 361 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.839 to show that, and that's more telling than the damn video, 362 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.839 because you have nothing to prove somewhere. There had to 363 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.559 be a paper trail, there had to be evidence of 364 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:37.480 this thing. There had to be more fifth pictures. You 365 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.920 mean to tell me, Brian, you and I were going 366 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:40.599 to go out and put out the Oaks of the Century. 367 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.720 We're not going to take some background photos later, some haha, 368 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:47.160 photographs to keep in the memory chest because we to 369 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.599 reflect back on that later after sixty years. He put 370 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.599 off this great hoax. You know, there's Bob Gimblin in 371 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.400 his underwear drinking a beer with a big boot head 372 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:57.279 in his hand. You know, like, where's that? And that's 373 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:00.680 the problem I have with you know, we're just being 374 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.920 stuck on the film for all these years. At some point, 375 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.039 don't you think Bob Giblin would have slipped up and 376 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:06.680 screwed up? 377 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.200 I totally agree. Man. When I started really analyzing the 378 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.640 Patterson Giblin film a couple of years ago, I took 379 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.359 a little different approach. I went back to my training 380 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.599 as a police officer. I was trained in interrogation and investigation, 381 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.079 so I went back to some of the old interviews 382 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.960 with Bob I think I went back to twenty eighteen 383 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.640 or twenty nineteen and looked at some of the things 384 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.240 that he was saying then versus what they said. Literally 385 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:42.160 days after they filmed Patty, I went out to Todd 386 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.759 Prescott at the Sasquatch Archives and I got I think 387 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:50.079 it was four or five days after they had this 388 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:54.279 experience with Patty. It was a radio interview that they did, 389 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.839 and I compared what Bob and Roger. Obviously, Roger passed 390 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.640 away I think in nineteen seven two. Bob is still 391 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.759 alive today in twenty twenty six. So I analyzed what 392 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.559 he said then versus what he said in twenty eighteen, 393 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:13.000 twenty nineteen, and I compared the two. And that's really 394 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:17.359 all we have, right is his story. It's the story 395 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.960 and the fifty six or fifty seven seconds, fifty nine seconds, 396 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.799 whatever it is of what they filmed. 397 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:28.039 That's really all that we're left with, right. And Bob's 398 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.079 had a harder Brian because he's had to keep Roger's 399 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.400 story straight too. Roger kinds speak for himself, has been 400 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.880 able to, so He's had to speak for Roger's point 401 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.279