Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling
Speaker 1: around out here. Did you see what it was or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get
Speaker 1: somebody out here.
Speaker 2: Quin, I'm out there.
Speaker 1: I thought of a bitch about tick forty nine. I
Speaker 1: don't know easy him out there. Yeah, I'm walking right. Hey,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 2: From someone to welcome o guest to the show. It
Speaker 2: is Sean Forker, host of the Sasquatch Experience podcast. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the show man.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Brian. It's been a long time
Speaker 3: since we've met in Tennessee, and now here we are
Speaker 3: sitting down to have a conversation.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I was just going through an episode that's airing as
Speaker 2: we record this tomorrow of a conversation I had with
Speaker 2: Ken Gearhard. I was looking back through our email chain
Speaker 2: and Ken and I were talking since twenty and twenty two,
Speaker 2: and it took me four years to get him on
Speaker 2: the podcast. So I think we've done a little bit
Speaker 2: better with getting you on the podcast. It hasn't been
Speaker 2: quite four years, but I have been excited about this
Speaker 2: conversation forever, man, So let's get right into it. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about this big for a thing. What in the
Speaker 2: hell got you interested in the subject to begin with?
Speaker 3: Well, I wish I could say it was like a
Speaker 3: sighting that got me interested in it, but it was
Speaker 3: a book. I think, like most of us, there was
Speaker 3: some sort of genesis that got us started into this.
Speaker 3: I was fortunate to grow up into a house where
Speaker 3: we talked about the paranormal, the weird, and there were
Speaker 3: always shows on like In Search of Unsolved Mysteries Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark's Mysterious World. That stuff was always kind of on
Speaker 3: in my home growing up. My dad and my grandpa
Speaker 3: were into the esoteric, strange, the more paranormal than like Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: But I remember my grandfather having books are out of
Speaker 3: like strange Creatures of the Amazon, and those books just
Speaker 3: enthralled me, and I was hooked. And then I saw
Speaker 3: the in Search of episode that had Bigfoot, and I'm like, wow, Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: that's amazing. I'm really into this now, I'm hooked right
Speaker 3: big Harry Montster is walking around the forest of the
Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest on a family vacation on the way to
Speaker 3: Virginia to see my uncle. I don't know how or
Speaker 3: where my dad stopped. He picked up a book called
Speaker 3: Sasquad Shapes among Us by John Green. I love the talk,
Speaker 3: always has since I was a kid, and sometimes when
Speaker 3: you're a kid, you don't know how to meet her
Speaker 3: that right, So it gives me this book to read,
Speaker 3: which I probably had no business reading at like eight,
Speaker 3: but I devoured that book on the entire vacation. I'll
Speaker 3: remember the vacation. I remember the book when I got
Speaker 3: to that chapter called Eastern Action and realized that there
Speaker 3: were these things happening in Pennsylvania. My God, that that
Speaker 3: was everything I wanted to do, and it just took me.
Speaker 3: As I got to be a little bit older as
Speaker 3: a teenager. I got to start seeing these areas. The
Speaker 3: Internet became a thing. Started talking to people on the Internet,
Speaker 3: which you could do back then and not have to
Speaker 3: worry about the things you have to worry about now
Speaker 3: when you're talk to people on the internet. You know,
Speaker 3: got to realize that this phenomenon. I wasn't just the
Speaker 3: only one interested in it. There wasn't just a handful
Speaker 3: of people interested in it. There were hundreds of people
Speaker 3: interested in this. There was an organization in Pennsylvania that
Speaker 3: I ended up joining, the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, went on
Speaker 3: some expeditions with them, started investigating, setting reports, talking to
Speaker 3: people that had these encounters, and it's just become here
Speaker 3: we are. It's two thousand, twenty six. I've been doing this,
Speaker 3: you know, over thirty years now. It's been incredible, Man,
Speaker 3: it's been incredible.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the genesis of the show,
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch experience, because when I first got into this,
Speaker 2: I had my first experience. I think when I was
Speaker 2: twelve years old and I went into law enforcement. For
Speaker 2: sixteen years, I didn't talk about the subject with anybody
Speaker 2: then twenty twenty, twenty twenty one or so I started
Speaker 2: really getting back into the research of this, and I
Speaker 2: decided to start Sasquatch Odyssey, and I wanted it to
Speaker 2: be me talking to people specifically from the Southeastern United States,
Speaker 2: because typically when you get into the subject, most of
Speaker 2: it is centered in the Pacific Northwest, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to specifically talk about and talk to people that it
Speaker 2: had experiences in the Southeastern United States, which is where
Speaker 2: I was born and raised. I was born and raised
Speaker 2: in North Georgia. We now own forty acres here in
Speaker 2: North Carolina. But the majority of what I was looking
Speaker 2: at was I think this is something that happens across
Speaker 2: the country and literally around the world. So I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk to people that had experiences closer to home
Speaker 2: for me. So I started my show to become kind
Speaker 2: of this repository, if you will, of people that had
Speaker 2: had experiences with these creatures in the Southeastern United States.
Speaker 2: We're talking Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, the Carolinas. You have been
Speaker 2: in this podcast game way before podcasting was a thing.
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about the genesis of
Speaker 2: the sasquatch experience. What made you want to start a
Speaker 2: podcast about these experiences that people are having with this
Speaker 2: particular creature.
Speaker 3: That's a really great question, Brian, because actually the Sasquatch experience.
Speaker 3: The pot Cast started in two thousand and six. We
Speaker 3: were the second Bigfoot dedicated podcast. Steve Coles beat me
Speaker 3: by a couple months, but we were the second dedicated
Speaker 3: podcast to Bigfoot. But we used to get together with
Speaker 3: a group of friends on Yahoo Messenger and we would
Speaker 3: listen to all the old radio shows like Bigfoot Central.
Speaker 3: That was a couple online streaming shows in really podcasts
Speaker 3: back then there was no live element to it. We
Speaker 3: would listen to Coast to Coast together, we would listen
Speaker 3: to The X Zone with Rob McConnell out of Canada.
Speaker 3: And it was during an episode of The X Zone
Speaker 3: with Rob McConnell a bunch of us got together and
Speaker 3: we were listening to some gentlemen on there talking about
Speaker 3: something and immediately we realized what they were saying was
Speaker 3: absolute bullshit. Well, Rob McConnell had a phone line, so
Speaker 3: we called in and was talking to Rob and he
Speaker 3: started listening to us asking some tough questions, caught him
Speaker 3: in the lie, you know, he burned him off the
Speaker 3: air and then after that he wanted to have me
Speaker 3: on as a monthly segment to talk about Bigfoot. So
Speaker 3: that's how that kind of started. When Bigfoot started dying down,
Speaker 3: he started having us on a little less. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of like this. We already kind
Speaker 3: of have an audience in our friends, and there's this
Speaker 3: platform out there called blog talk radio. Steve Coles introduced
Speaker 3: us to it. We just picked a time and a date.
Speaker 3: I picked a co host, Henry May, one of my
Speaker 3: good friends. I bust Henry's balls endlessly over twenty years.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he sometimes he wished he never would have
Speaker 3: met me, but we've had a great friendship. Probably over
Speaker 3: twenty five years now, we've had a great friendship. It's
Speaker 3: been an incredible journey to talk to all these people involved.
Speaker 3: So we started the podcast and we had a live audience.
Speaker 3: We could take callers, so we'd get people calling in
Speaker 3: to start sharing some of their encounters. Sometimes you'd get
Speaker 3: the hecklers, sometimes you would get a real compelling case.
Speaker 3: And then we started asking people like doctor Jeff Mildrum,
Speaker 3: started asking the bigger name research as they'd come on
Speaker 3: and talk to us. Because now we have this platform,
Speaker 3: people are listening. You know, we're getting analytics that, hey,
Speaker 3: people are listening to this show. Blog Talk Radio was
Speaker 3: very happy because we have this niche audience that's coming
Speaker 3: to us we're doing these podcasts. So they put us
Speaker 3: and a Steve Calls together for like a round table show.
Speaker 3: Then more podcasts start and they did a second round
Speaker 3: table show. So they realized that, wow, not only did
Speaker 3: this have an audience, it's started to take off, and
Speaker 3: now it's creating more content. So we kind of spurred
Speaker 3: that content creation through podcasting, and we started getting little
Speaker 3: bits of ad revenue here and there. It wasn't anything
Speaker 3: robust like we see today, not that I'm seeing thousands
Speaker 3: of dollars by any means, but it was really cool
Speaker 3: for that to happen. We just happened to be at
Speaker 3: the right place at the right time with the technology emerging,
Speaker 3: and just happened to have a platform because we stepped
Speaker 3: up and told a couple guys they were full of shit,
Speaker 3: and it started the whole journey for this.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that I have multiple podcasts sasquach Odyssy
Speaker 2: is the genesis, but I host multiple podcasts and one
Speaker 2: of them is that Bigfoot podcast where we kind of
Speaker 2: take down hoaxers, talk about the people who hoax. I
Speaker 2: think that is something that we as a community need
Speaker 2: to talk more about and be has agree because it happens,
Speaker 2: and it's one of the things that we need to
Speaker 2: be honest about, confront it, talk about it, and then
Speaker 2: move forward. Let me ask you this, at this point
Speaker 2: you started the podcast, You've gotten into this. Did your
Speaker 2: research part of this component for you as far as
Speaker 2: being a part of this community, start before or after
Speaker 2: you started the podcast, because I know you've been out
Speaker 2: You've been researching this for a lot of years. So
Speaker 2: Rice came first. Let's talk a little bit about the
Speaker 2: research that you put into this subject.
Speaker 3: The research came first. I think that was always one
Speaker 3: thing I've been more proud of. And now there's anything
Speaker 3: wrong with the armshare researcher because some people physically can't
Speaker 3: get out and do this right. I'm no lightweight. I
Speaker 3: still get out there, contrary to what some people think.
Speaker 3: I'm not just a big guy.
Speaker 4: I do move.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty agile for a fat fella. I also like
Speaker 3: to eat. That's part of the problem. Bigfoot, big barbecue,
Speaker 3: big beer, you know, we like that stuff. So I've
Speaker 3: been researching since I was young, you know, in my
Speaker 3: late teens, early twenties, So that started before the podcast.
Speaker 3: The podcast when we start when I was twenty years old,
Speaker 3: so I was actually a lot of my researchers running
Speaker 3: concurrently with the podcast, But the podcast opened doors for
Speaker 3: that by allowing me to meet other researchers, going out
Speaker 3: into the field with them learning. We had a really
Speaker 3: good sense of learning and experimentation and trying things because
Speaker 3: back then we really didn't have all the data we
Speaker 3: have now on things like tree knocking, Like when did
Speaker 3: tree knocking start? You know, how do we know it's useful?
Speaker 3: The howls, Like half the evidence we have now wasn't
Speaker 3: even collected then. So it was really you know, being
Speaker 3: on the shoulders of some of those researchers, the guys
Speaker 3: that collected the Skukum cast and a lot of the
Speaker 3: early researchers out in the Pacific Northwest, like Rick Noll
Speaker 3: coming on talking about the importance of photography and using
Speaker 3: the right camera and using the right tools, which is
Speaker 3: something I've always tried to perpetuate throughout the need of
Speaker 3: the podcast. For me, the podcast has not just been
Speaker 3: an outlet to talk to people. It's an opportunity to
Speaker 3: educate and to step back to what you said, kind
Speaker 3: of keep the good information out there. The hoaxers cost
Speaker 3: us a lot of money, and I know people are like,
Speaker 3: oh well, how so, well, think about it. We have
Speaker 3: to pay for our own time, our own fuel, our
Speaker 3: own resources to go out and investigate these claims. It's
Speaker 3: not free. It's free for folks to maybe listen to
Speaker 3: these programs, but it's not free to go out and investigate.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of money for equipment. So when we
Speaker 3: have to go out there and waste our resources, most
Speaker 3: importantly our time, which I'm not doing this full time.
Speaker 3: I still have a full time occupation, you know. And
Speaker 3: I'm a dad and a husband, a son, and a friend.
Speaker 3: So were you wasting the largest commodity thing we have
Speaker 3: of time that we could be spending on more important things,
Speaker 3: more realistic or more real claims and sightings that are
Speaker 3: coming out there. And the one downside, Brian, I would
Speaker 3: think that we've done as podcasters, and though not intentionally,
Speaker 3: is we've made it easier for people to hoax now
Speaker 3: more than ever. The thing is they're not getting any
Speaker 3: better at it, but we've made it easier for folks
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: When I first got into the subject, many many many
Speaker 2: moons ago, coaxers weren't on my radar. When I was
Speaker 2: a cop, I didn't really look into the subject. I
Speaker 2: wasn't a part of the subject because that's something you
Speaker 2: just don't talk about as a police officer.
Speaker 3: You got to worry about that as law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked about this as a guest on another podcasts.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of DUI cases for a couple
Speaker 2: of years. I worked UI and DUI attorneys in general
Speaker 2: are just relentless and anything they can find to bring
Speaker 2: some sort of question to the arresting officer, they're going
Speaker 2: to do that. So I completely shut this bigfoot thing down.
Speaker 2: I'd had a UFO experience when I was sixteen. I
Speaker 2: shut that down and I just completely removed myself. But
Speaker 2: when I got back into this, I left law enforcement
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and I got into researching again. We
Speaker 2: bought the property here. We're on forty acres of land
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. I specifically bought this property hoping there
Speaker 2: was some potential there for the research into potential sasquatch activity.
Speaker 2: So I really didn't get back into the subject until
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. But I have found very similar to what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. When you get into the subject and
Speaker 2: you start talking to people, it's very difficult to sort
Speaker 2: through the wheat and the shaff, if you will. So
Speaker 2: before we get into some of the crazy things that
Speaker 2: you've experienced, let's talk about some of the things that
Speaker 2: stuck out to you when you first got into whether
Speaker 2: it be podcasting or looking into the subjects. What were
Speaker 2: some of the big stories or encounters that stuck out
Speaker 2: to you when you started getting into the subject. Is
Speaker 2: there anything that you can remember that stuck out to you,
Speaker 2: whether it be a scary experience or an experience in general,
Speaker 2: that stuck out to you as a researcher in the subject.
Speaker 3: I think there's been quite a few. Some of them
Speaker 3: are funny because they start off as intentional sighting reports.
Speaker 3: The first report I ever investigated one of the first reports,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the first. I'm writing a book
Speaker 3: right now, by the way, so a lot of this
Speaker 3: information's fresh in my mind because I'm trying to recycle
Speaker 3: it and get through it to push it out there
Speaker 3: on paper. It was a lady that lived in a
Speaker 3: town over for me. She was riding her bicycle on
Speaker 3: a wooded road and felt something stalking her. She's riding
Speaker 3: on the road, there's the burma of the road, a guardrail,
Speaker 3: and then right under it is like a little plateau
Speaker 3: that she felt something was watching her from that little area,
Speaker 3: paralleling her as she's riding on her bicycle. As she's
Speaker 3: going faster on her bicycle, this thing's keeping up, and
Speaker 3: so she gets a glimpse of like a black shadow,
Speaker 3: which really freaks her out. She starts peddling faster. This
Speaker 3: thing starts coming after her faster. She gets to the
Speaker 3: trail to her house, haul's ass up the trail to
Speaker 3: her home on the biden goes inside.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we'll
Speaker 4: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And doesn't have any other encounter with this thing that
Speaker 3: she can recollect now. That next day she comes out
Speaker 3: and something had gone through her track and it lifted
Speaker 3: the trash out of the can, not knocked it over
Speaker 3: and sort, but took it out of the can and
Speaker 3: was going through it like a person would almost like
Speaker 3: it was very curious, is what was I after? That
Speaker 3: freaked her out. That freaked her out to no end.
Speaker 3: And so we went out and investigated that, and I
Speaker 3: found her to be very credible. You know, that's intense.
Speaker 3: Then you start realizing and all this, well, shit, I'm
Speaker 3: just not an investigator. Now I have to be a psychologist.
Speaker 3: Now I have to find a way to calm these
Speaker 3: people down and tell them that, you know, yeah, the
Speaker 3: world doesn't say this is normal, but you know, we
Speaker 3: could be dealing with a completely normal animal here. I
Speaker 3: don't think there's anything to be alarmed. If there is,
Speaker 3: you have the authorities to call. Maybe you wouldn't call
Speaker 3: and say you got a big foot outside, but you
Speaker 3: call and say, maybe there's a bear out here or
Speaker 3: something out here bothering me. You spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time reassuring people and kind of going through When you
Speaker 3: start eliminating what it can't be, it starts to open
Speaker 3: those eyes to what really can it be. When you
Speaker 3: do this, as long as we have Brian, you can
Speaker 3: start eliminating things like bears and other animals pretty easily,
Speaker 3: like they have known behaviors. But when you have something
Speaker 3: that's starting to act more like us, but makes no
Speaker 3: sense for it to be a person or the physical
Speaker 3: dynamics don't match. That's a pretty interesting thing. Then you're
Speaker 3: on a whole nother ballgame, and that's where I'm stuck
Speaker 3: with all this, because there's a lot of these encounters
Speaker 3: that happen where you can easily write off everything. You
Speaker 3: could write off known animals, you can write off people,
Speaker 3: but there's an intangible element there you can't write off,
Speaker 3: and nobody wants to seem to acknowledge it. And there's
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons why I think places don't want
Speaker 3: to acknowledge that. We can get into that a little later,
Speaker 3: But that first encounter with that woman on the bicycle
Speaker 3: and that town over was really cool and I felt
Speaker 3: kind of special to have that one. Then as we
Speaker 3: started doing the podcast, it was so alarming to me
Speaker 3: how many people were just stuck on the Patterson Gimlin film.
Speaker 3: People can't get over that, and I love it. It's
Speaker 3: a great piece of footage. It's going to be inconclusive forever.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what we think is on it. We
Speaker 3: can't prove it. But we spent so many man hours
Speaker 3: and people have analyzed this more than the Kennedy film
Speaker 3: to try to prove it's a man in a suit
Speaker 3: or it's a real biological creature. And for the life
Speaker 3: of me, Brian, I don't understand how still in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six we can't get a damn determination on it, Like,
Speaker 3: let's just call it what it is. Nobody can prove
Speaker 3: it's a suit. And for me, that's the bigger catch
Speaker 3: of it all because it irritates you because the video
Speaker 3: could be sketchy. We could say, yeah, it's a man
Speaker 3: in this whatever. I've met Bob Gimblin, He's a great guy.
Speaker 3: Some of the best guys in the world can still
Speaker 3: be full of shit. Doesn't mean they're bad people, just
Speaker 3: means they're good storytellers. I don't know. I met Bob,
Speaker 3: I found him to be genuine. But nobody's been able
Speaker 3: to produce a suit. Nobody's been able to tell us
Speaker 3: how many pieces that suit was in. Nobody could tell
Speaker 3: us what it's made of, Nobody can get the color right.
Speaker 3: Like how hard is it to get your facts straight?
Speaker 3: If you're trying to say you're the one who hoaxed it,
Speaker 3: you think you would have all the proof you need
Speaker 3: to show that, and that's more telling than the damn video,
Speaker 3: because you have nothing to prove somewhere. There had to
Speaker 3: be a paper trail, there had to be evidence of
Speaker 3: this thing. There had to be more fifth pictures. You
Speaker 3: mean to tell me, Brian, you and I were going
Speaker 3: to go out and put out the Oaks of the Century.
Speaker 3: We're not going to take some background photos later, some haha,
Speaker 3: photographs to keep in the memory chest because we to
Speaker 3: reflect back on that later after sixty years. He put
Speaker 3: off this great hoax. You know, there's Bob Gimblin in
Speaker 3: his underwear drinking a beer with a big boot head
Speaker 3: in his hand. You know, like, where's that? And that's
Speaker 3: the problem I have with you know, we're just being
Speaker 3: stuck on the film for all these years. At some point,
Speaker 3: don't you think Bob Giblin would have slipped up and
Speaker 3: screwed up?
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Man. When I started really analyzing the
Speaker 2: Patterson Giblin film a couple of years ago, I took
Speaker 2: a little different approach. I went back to my training
Speaker 2: as a police officer. I was trained in interrogation and investigation,
Speaker 2: so I went back to some of the old interviews
Speaker 2: with Bob I think I went back to twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: or twenty nineteen and looked at some of the things
Speaker 2: that he was saying then versus what they said. Literally
Speaker 2: days after they filmed Patty, I went out to Todd
Speaker 2: Prescott at the Sasquatch Archives and I got I think
Speaker 2: it was four or five days after they had this
Speaker 2: experience with Patty. It was a radio interview that they did,
Speaker 2: and I compared what Bob and Roger. Obviously, Roger passed
Speaker 2: away I think in nineteen seven two. Bob is still
Speaker 2: alive today in twenty twenty six. So I analyzed what
Speaker 2: he said then versus what he said in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and I compared the two. And that's really
Speaker 2: all we have, right is his story. It's the story
Speaker 2: and the fifty six or fifty seven seconds, fifty nine seconds,
Speaker 2: whatever it is of what they filmed.
Speaker 3: That's really all that we're left with, right. And Bob's
Speaker 3: had a harder Brian because he's had to keep Roger's
Speaker 3: story straight too. Roger kinds speak for himself, has been
Speaker 3: able to, so He's had to speak for Roger's point
Speaker 3: of view the best he could as well. That's difficult
Speaker 3: to do all that and maintain it for so long.
Speaker 3: Now you've been in law enforcement, people usually aren't that goal.
Speaker 3: You have to be incredibly pathological to do that.
Speaker 2: Very good point, and I tell you one of the
Speaker 2: gleaming things. And I don't know how many people have
Speaker 2: really paid attention to this, but if you go back
Speaker 2: to the interview I think it was twenty eighteen or
Speaker 2: two twenty nineteen, Bob was sitting down with what I
Speaker 2: felt like was a gotcha kind of interview that were
Speaker 2: trying to catch him in a lie. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: there was only one glaring thing that stuck out to
Speaker 2: me really in that interview is Bob was very insistent
Speaker 2: that they recorded what they recorded on a Saturday. And
Speaker 2: there was some talk about there was this logging crew
Speaker 2: next to them in the same area, could it have
Speaker 2: been them? And Bob was like, no, there's absolutely no
Speaker 2: way that's the case. This was a Saturday, they were off,
Speaker 2: they didn't work on the weekends. But if you look back,
Speaker 2: the date falls on a Friday. So that was the
Speaker 2: only thing that I could really pull out of that interview.
Speaker 2: To some people, that's a gleaming thing, like oh, he
Speaker 2: missed the day. I'll be honest. Let me ask you
Speaker 2: right now, Sean, where were you on November twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3: What day of the week was that I was negative three?
Speaker 3: That's not even a thought yet. But to your point, like,
Speaker 3: you can't say that unless you are a savant, you
Speaker 3: don't know that information. No, Brian. When I recount my
Speaker 3: own encounter, I've talked about it a lot more than
Speaker 3: I have. I just never really like to talk about
Speaker 3: it publicly because it was a very personal thing for me.
Speaker 3: But when I had my experience in retelling it, I've
Speaker 3: messed it up a couple times. I was just showing
Speaker 3: it on Small Town Monsters. I was out in the
Speaker 3: actual area where we had our encounter. We were doing
Speaker 3: the Investigated Bigfoot series, and I told it at a
Speaker 3: sequence because I was so freaked out about talking about
Speaker 3: this on camera. My mind's trying to put it together logically,
Speaker 3: and I'm just putting middle you know, steps, Not that
Speaker 3: the content of the story changed, just the kind of
Speaker 3: the different moments how they aligned weren't correct. And if
Speaker 3: you were in a quart of law, that could be
Speaker 3: very damning. But you're in a quarter of loall, well
Speaker 3: you didn't get that right. Well, excuse me, it happened
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve. It's fourteen years ago. It's differ a
Speaker 3: cult to remember. I couldn't imagine doing that Brian fifty
Speaker 3: years ago. Like I couldn't do that, I can't do
Speaker 3: it now. And so to give the man a little
Speaker 3: grace on that, I think is more than acceptable. And
Speaker 3: what's a Friday to a Saturday When you're out in
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere and you don't have a Nokia
Speaker 3: flipflhone or an Apple iPhone to tell you what date
Speaker 3: and time it is. They're probably going off the old
Speaker 3: cowboy math, Oh, this is where the sun is and
Speaker 3: you know, hell, we're so engaged. Maybe we did lose
Speaker 3: some hours and we forgot what day it is. It
Speaker 3: could happen. People forget things like moon cycles, and they
Speaker 3: forget things. You can get details wrong. That's why when
Speaker 3: I started a research journal, I started marking down those
Speaker 3: things so I could go back when something happened and
Speaker 3: look at it and notate it. I might not remember it,
Speaker 3: but you know what, my journal will have it. But
Speaker 3: now that's also asking if my journal is accurate, so
Speaker 3: you have to go and check the facts online and
Speaker 3: get it from almanacs and stuff. It's never fool proof.
Speaker 3: We're humans, we're fallible creatures. We're never supposed to perfect.
Speaker 3: We're going to make mistakes. But to be able to
Speaker 3: carry that for fifty years, I think that's the one
Speaker 3: thing that's always go toed me the most about podcasts
Speaker 3: and Bigfoot is sometimes how caught up we get on
Speaker 3: moments right Rather, it's the Patterson film, the MK Davis
Speaker 3: massacre theory that came later that we got knee deep
Speaker 3: in the Georgia Bigfoot hoax. We were knee deep in,
Speaker 3: like a lot of these situations that are well into
Speaker 3: history now, were current events when we were broadcasting, and
Speaker 3: they were interesting times, like I remember having to send
Speaker 3: my cell phone bills to the moderator at the Bigfoot
Speaker 3: forums so I could prove that I was telling the
Speaker 3: truth about the time I had a conversation with somebody
Speaker 3: to prove I wasn't in on a hoax.
Speaker 2: I tell you, man, you are absolutely right. I had
Speaker 2: my own experiences. I got to see these creatures three
Speaker 2: times in two days back in the summer of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, and I had to go back. Fortunately, we
Speaker 2: were filming documentary when we had our experiences, so I'm
Speaker 2: able to go back and look at the footage. And
Speaker 2: there was a specific part of that encounter where we
Speaker 2: saw what I believed to be self illuminating eyes, two
Speaker 2: sets of these self illuminating eyes. And now that I've
Speaker 2: went back and looked at the actual footage that was
Speaker 2: filmed that day, my recollection is quite different from what
Speaker 2: happened there. I've said it on other podcasts as a guest.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think there was any flashlights on
Speaker 2: at that time, and then you go back and look
Speaker 2: at the footage that was actually recorded at the time,
Speaker 2: it looks like it's a possibility that there was some
Speaker 2: flashlight activity going on. It may not have been for me,
Speaker 2: but there was five or six of the people around me,
Speaker 2: all right. So just those little nuances, And that's why
Speaker 2: I've always come down on the fact. After I did
Speaker 2: all the analysis, I went through all of the things
Speaker 2: that Bob had said. I looked at that interview from
Speaker 2: four or five days after he and Roger Patterson filmed
Speaker 2: that encounter with Patty on the sandbar. I said, look, yeah,
Speaker 2: he got the day wrong, but by and large, everything
Speaker 2: else matches one hundred percent. So I have no other
Speaker 2: recourse other than to say, as long as nobody's ever
Speaker 2: been able to produce the actual costume, there's no actual costume. Right,
Speaker 2: even though it was a guy here in North Carolina
Speaker 2: who said he made the costume, I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: So we have to come down on the fact that
Speaker 2: I believe very much like you. It sounds like you
Speaker 2: say you believe this to be legitimate footage of a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about your personal experiences. I
Speaker 2: know you've got some personal experiences of these things, and
Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit, at least for my audience,
Speaker 2: it's probably going to be a little bit weird, quote unquote,
Speaker 2: So let's talk about your personal experiences. Take us back
Speaker 2: to where you were, what you were do one and
Speaker 2: tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, we were in It was myself, my brother Ray,
Speaker 3: my buddy Dustin. We went out to the Clearfield County, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: which is a huge hotspot used to be it should
Speaker 3: say huge hotspot in Pennsylvania and still is depending on
Speaker 3: who you talk to of sightings. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 3: about over hundreds of sightings over the years of creatures
Speaker 3: in this area. So we had worked with Eric Altman
Speaker 3: in the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, my mentor Dave Rupert, good
Speaker 3: friend of mine, great researcher Ryan Cavealen, who was a filmmaker.
Speaker 3: We went out. We were going to have an outing
Speaker 3: that weekend. We went out a couple days before to
Speaker 3: kind of get the area set up and to spend
Speaker 3: some time out there to cultivate it and see if
Speaker 3: we could get any activity before the weekend outing was
Speaker 3: taking place. It was myself, Ray and Dustin. We were
Speaker 3: kind of setting up in this meadow area, which we
Speaker 3: should have knew right off the bat that we were
Speaker 3: going to have a problem because we went to get
Speaker 3: a camping permit, because you need permits in Pennsylvania to
Speaker 3: camp in places. They told us this place we wanted
Speaker 3: a camp at didn't exist. We had to pull out
Speaker 3: the map and show him that this area we want
Speaker 3: to camp at, Oh, that's not really a camping spot,
Speaker 3: but if you want to camp there, here you go.
Speaker 3: And they gave us a permit and the putting the
Speaker 3: window of my cars. It was about a mile and
Speaker 3: a half two miles in from the road to this
Speaker 3: little meadow area we wanted to camp at because we
Speaker 3: had had activity there in the past. Rocks, throwing sounds,
Speaker 3: so you name it, we've had it there in the past.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think it was two weeks before that
Speaker 3: we were there and we had a vocalization that scared
Speaker 3: one of the guys in a group so hard he
Speaker 3: punched me in the back and I thought his fist
Speaker 3: went through me. And I'm a big guy. He hit
Speaker 3: me so hard in the back, I thought his fist
Speaker 3: like chest bursted right through me. So that was why
Speaker 3: we came back. It was Ray, myself and Dustin. We
Speaker 3: were setting up camp because we were going to camp
Speaker 3: in this meadow area for the weekend. We had set
Speaker 3: up some game cameras well. Eric, Dave, and Ryan set
Speaker 3: up game cameras. Ryan was getting some b roll, so
Speaker 3: we created a little fire in the meadow there. I
Speaker 3: was sitting kind of with my back towards the entrance
Speaker 3: way to the meadow. Rai'sed back was to the woodline
Speaker 3: and Dustin's back was to the meadow and the meadows
Speaker 3: a big open it's surrounded by woods. We had a
Speaker 3: fire going We're sitting there shooting the shed. It's starting
Speaker 3: to get dusk, and out of the purphiel of my eye,
Speaker 3: I see something run behind ray behind me, just skirting
Speaker 3: the edge of the tree line into the tree line,
Speaker 3: and you could start hear it, pop it and taking
Speaker 3: off like a bulldozer, like a bat of a healthier there.
Speaker 3: I jump up, Dustin jumps up. He kind of looks
Speaker 3: at me, and then we haul over to run to
Speaker 3: see if we could see what's going in there. He
Speaker 3: saw it. I saw it. What I saw was probably
Speaker 3: about six and a half to seven feet tall, light color,
Speaker 3: like a light tannish color, and Bryan, I shit you not.
Speaker 3: How it moved was so graceful it moved, And to
Speaker 3: this day I tell everybody it moved like a sloth,
Speaker 3: just a very very fast It just glided. Did you
Speaker 3: ever just see some it's They may and it was
Speaker 3: made for that environment, And.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 4: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Like it just moves so fluidly. It was startling, and
Speaker 3: so we got up looked. We could hear it moving,
Speaker 3: but we weren't going to go in and take a look,
Speaker 3: because it was starting to get really dark and we're
Speaker 3: sitting here like, what the house has happened? The first
Speaker 3: thing is we're amped up. Did we really experience that
Speaker 3: or we seeing things? Is somebody messing with us? You know?
Speaker 3: Things calmed down, We calmed down. We were like, okay,
Speaker 3: well listen, we're going to get up in a few hours.
Speaker 3: We're going to get up at about four o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning to get out and start doing some weekon
Speaker 3: because you know, we were thinking maybe it would be
Speaker 3: more active at that time. As something's paying attention to us,
Speaker 3: we'll let it realize. We settled out a little bit.
Speaker 3: We get into the tent. We had pulled the logs
Speaker 3: off the fire, put the fire out, and got into
Speaker 3: the tent. We're lying there and we're laying there for
Speaker 3: about an hour hour and a half, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, we start hearing these footfalls, bipedal footfalls coming
Speaker 3: through the campsite. And you know the difference between bipedal
Speaker 3: and quadrupedle, you know, the cadence upon which they move
Speaker 3: is different, and so we hear it kind of around
Speaker 3: the tent, and I see a little light come on
Speaker 3: inside his sleeping bag and it's dust and he had
Speaker 3: his cell phone there, and I'm like, you hear that?
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, yeah, I hear that. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: this is interesting. So we hear it moving around and
Speaker 3: Dustin sits up, but he starts getting his boots and
Speaker 3: stuff on to go out, and it's relying there. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden we start seeing this faint orange glow
Speaker 3: outside the tent. Well, Dustin opens that tent like a
Speaker 3: bat and a hell and gets out, and something had
Speaker 3: put the logs back on the fire and the fire
Speaker 3: had started up again. Now we were certain we put
Speaker 3: that fire out enough, like we took the logs off
Speaker 3: the fire, but something started that fire had started back
Speaker 3: up again. Maybe the coals were still warm enough to
Speaker 3: ignite it. So I'm getting around, Dustin goes fork or
Speaker 3: throw me my gun, and me, being the epitome of
Speaker 3: gun safety, I threw him his gun, and as I
Speaker 3: go to get out, he goes, holy shit, look and
Speaker 3: it runs up this little hillside, this same thing we
Speaker 3: saw earlier, and starts running around the perimeter of the campsite.
Speaker 3: And now we're zonged where like, what the hell's going
Speaker 3: on here? And At that point, I'm not excited as
Speaker 3: much as I am like, what the hell is going
Speaker 3: on here? Because my first thing is somebody's out here
Speaker 3: messing with us, Brian, My first indication is not big,
Speaker 3: but it's like, how perfect is this that something's happening.
Speaker 3: Somebody's out here messing with us. So Ray gets out,
Speaker 3: We start telling them what's going on. I swear Ray
Speaker 3: could sleep through a nuclear blast. We go to the
Speaker 3: center of the campsite because the only place you can
Speaker 3: get a cell phone signal, and I call Dave, can't
Speaker 3: get a hold of Dave, call Eric, can't get a
Speaker 3: hold of Eric. So I finally get a hold of
Speaker 3: Dave's wife and I said, Hey, we got some shit
Speaker 3: going on out here. If Dave's there, do you think
Speaker 3: you get him to come back and come get out
Speaker 3: here with us. We've got some stuff going on, and
Speaker 3: we don't want to be out here by ourselves at
Speaker 3: this point because Brian, honestly, at that point, man, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's a person, you know, and if
Speaker 3: it's a person like, yeah, there's ha haa elements into it,
Speaker 3: but I wasn't thinking haha. So you know, we're sitting
Speaker 3: there huddle and around. At about forty five minutes goes by,
Speaker 3: and then we started seeing these flashlights coming down. So
Speaker 3: we run up and meet the flashlights and it's Dave
Speaker 3: and it's Ryan. They had come back. They stopped into
Speaker 3: the town up there to have a couple drinks and Carrie,
Speaker 3: Dave's wife, was able to get a hold of them,
Speaker 3: and so they were able to come back, and they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, what's going on? So we told him what's
Speaker 3: going on. Well, Dave could sell ice to an Eskimo
Speaker 3: in the middle of Alaska, and he's like, come on, guys,
Speaker 3: we're out here for a reason. We're out here to
Speaker 3: get proof. You guys, we've got something going on. Let's
Speaker 3: just stay out here a little longer. We'll stay out
Speaker 3: here with you for a little bit. We'll see what's
Speaker 3: going on. So they kind of big whack out and
Speaker 3: this there's like this canopy of like underbrush and bushes.
Speaker 3: They sit in there and we go back in the tent.
Speaker 3: So we're there for a while and nothing happens. Of course,
Speaker 3: nothing's going to happen now because we have strangers in
Speaker 3: the element. So Dave Radio's back in. Hey, guys, listen,
Speaker 3: nothing's going on. Whatever it is, I don't think it's
Speaker 3: going to come back. We're done. You know, we'll come
Speaker 3: back in the morning. We'll talk to you guys in
Speaker 3: the morning. I'm like, okay, we think we could do this. Now,
Speaker 3: We're fine. No, they go, they leave, and a while
Speaker 3: goes by, and here comes the footsteps again. And this
Speaker 3: time I don't even think we had zip to ten.
Speaker 3: I think we went through the side of the tent.
Speaker 3: It's like you know that scene in Jaws when they're
Speaker 3: out at the bow of the boat and he's like
Speaker 3: shoot them, shoot it now. Like that's me yelling at
Speaker 3: Dustin to shoot whatever's out there, because standing behind this
Speaker 3: one tree is something kind of clearing in and out
Speaker 3: at us. And I'm like, listen, if you're out here
Speaker 3: messing with us, we got a gun. I've given you
Speaker 3: enough time to identify yourself. We're not going to start shooting.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Dustin, shoot it. Dustin goes, I cannot shoot it.
Speaker 3: If that's a person, you know, like Dustin's military training,
Speaker 3: Like he's not going to take a target. Like he's
Speaker 3: got much more composure than I am. Thank god I
Speaker 3: didn't have the gun because I probably would have shot
Speaker 3: somebody or shot whatever. It still didn't take heed to
Speaker 3: our warning. It was still there. So we're like trying
Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on and raise about the
Speaker 3: size of a sasquatch. So we decided we're going to
Speaker 3: charge at this. So the three of us get together
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you guys ready, and so we charge
Speaker 3: at it. And it was the charge that kind of
Speaker 3: threw it off. Now, the one thing, and I always
Speaker 3: forget to talk about this, and I don't know why.
Speaker 3: At one point, Dustin takes a military grade glow stick
Speaker 3: and he throws it into the tree line right. It's
Speaker 3: got some illumination to it, and it doesn't do anything
Speaker 3: for a little bit. Then all of a sudden, something
Speaker 3: picks it up and I yell at it, and it
Speaker 3: hits the ground, bounces and you can hear something take off.
Speaker 3: We were so freaked out that this thing had kept
Speaker 3: coming back and bothering with us that when it started
Speaker 3: raining a little bit, we got back in the tent.
Speaker 3: At about a quarter of six, we got up and
Speaker 3: threw everything into a rubber made tote and we hauled
Speaker 3: our fat asses out of that campsite. That little meadow
Speaker 3: area to my van and I hauled my ass home
Speaker 3: and I called Eric and I said, listen, I don't
Speaker 3: want to do this anymore. I'm freaked out because what
Speaker 3: bothered me, Brian is that it kept coming back. It
Speaker 3: came back, you know, a couple of times. It didn't
Speaker 3: heed any of our warnings, right like, it didn't care.
Speaker 3: And it's not that it felt menacing or that it
Speaker 3: was going to hurt us in any way. It's just
Speaker 3: the fact that it was something unexplained that came back
Speaker 3: and was still there. And obviously it might not have
Speaker 3: ever left. It might have just been there watching us
Speaker 3: the entire time. That made me so uncomfortable, and the
Speaker 3: feeling of being out there in your element when you're
Speaker 3: used to kind of being the dominant force out there,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you're like, is our hand
Speaker 3: down even going to do anything to it? Or we
Speaker 3: even equipped to deal with this thing? And so that
Speaker 3: was hit with so many conflicting emotions after them. The
Speaker 3: next day, Dave calls me after I got home. He goes, well,
Speaker 3: here he had some activity it continued on. I'm real
Speaker 3: sorry about that, I said, Dave, you might want to
Speaker 3: go out and check the game cameras because we think
Speaker 3: the flash went off on one of those game cameras,
Speaker 3: and he goes sean those game cameras didn't have any
Speaker 3: flashes on them. So there was a flash of light,
Speaker 3: one singular flash of light, Brian, that went off that
Speaker 3: I thought was a game camera that illuminated the area
Speaker 3: that might have got a picture of it, and they
Speaker 3: didn't have any flashes on those camera. I went out
Speaker 3: again to that area in two thousand and sixteen, I
Speaker 3: think it was twenty sixteen, and I was out there
Speaker 3: with a group of five other researchers, about ten of
Speaker 3: us total out there, so five researchers in their spouses
Speaker 3: who are also researchers, I guess.
Speaker 5: To be fair.
Speaker 3: Then we experienced that same singular flash of light when
Speaker 3: we were out there at that time. Can't explain it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. There's no towers or
Speaker 3: anything out there that could give off that flash of light.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's some kind of non localized
Speaker 3: phenomena or whatever. I don't know. I'm stuck on that
Speaker 3: flash of light.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I can't explain it. I can't explain the whole situation,
Speaker 3: But I can't explain that flash of light.
Speaker 2: Well, that brings me to a very important question. You've
Speaker 2: been in this way longer than I have. This is
Speaker 2: something that I have wrestled with Ina, with the subject
Speaker 2: for so many years when I started this, and I'm
Speaker 2: still what I would consider a flesh and blood quote
Speaker 2: unquote aper.
Speaker 3: When it comes to this, me too, one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2: But those kind of weird experiences that people say they have,
Speaker 2: and you experienced it first and right, does it bring
Speaker 2: you to a point where you go to yourself? Is
Speaker 2: it possible there are more to these creatures than what
Speaker 2: I believe and what most people that I follow and
Speaker 2: respect in this community and the subject believe. Is it
Speaker 2: possible there is some other aspect to these weird portions.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you a small snippet of what I
Speaker 2: experienced just a couple of years ago when we were
Speaker 2: out of the Pacific Northwest filming a documentary. I saw
Speaker 2: glowing eyes. And so many times I've had people come
Speaker 2: on the show and explain to me that they saw
Speaker 2: these eyes glowing, not reflecting light. I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: to pay them lucid them. I'm talking about glowing, physically
Speaker 2: making their own light. And even though I've went back
Speaker 2: and looked at the footage from the documentary, it appears
Speaker 2: to me that what I experience and what I've seen,
Speaker 2: even going back and looking at the footage, was two
Speaker 2: sets of glowing white eyes. And that is not possible
Speaker 2: as far as what we know to be possible for
Speaker 2: any known primate or great ape of any kind. We
Speaker 2: as human beings, we don't have it to pay them
Speaker 2: lucid them, so we can't even reflect light. So to
Speaker 2: say or suggest that something like these creatures are glowing
Speaker 2: or creating their own light source for their eyes is
Speaker 2: completely baffling to me. So given your own experiences and
Speaker 2: some of the other experiences I'm sure you've talked to
Speaker 2: people that have had weird things happen to them in
Speaker 2: relation or appearing to be in relation to these creatures.
Speaker 2: Has that changed your opinion or even influenced you at all.
Speaker 2: As far as there may be something more to these
Speaker 2: creatures than just flesh and blood.
Speaker 3: I've always been open minded to it. At my core, Brian,
Speaker 3: I'm really flesh and blood because at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it leaves stool samples, It leaves blood, it
Speaker 3: leaves hair, it leaves footprints, it leaves impressions. That all
Speaker 3: indicates a physical being. Right now, I have no problem
Speaker 3: admitting that whatsoever, to me, Bigfoot is a flesh and
Speaker 3: blood creature. That being said, for me, it comes down
Speaker 3: to what can we prove. We can't prove anything, but
Speaker 3: we can prove enough to suggest that this is a
Speaker 3: physical creature. It becomes harder for us as a topic
Speaker 3: to make it more credible when we start introducing these
Speaker 3: fantastical elements. So what I do is I layer it
Speaker 3: like cake. You know, this is what I believe, because
Speaker 3: this is what we can stand on. These are some
Speaker 3: of the experiences that folks have had with things that
Speaker 3: don't quite fit in the dimension of the physical, either
Speaker 3: the physical realm or some other esoteric kind of scenarios.
Speaker 3: And then there's the features you're talking about, which could
Speaker 3: just be biological anomalies. We don't know because we can't
Speaker 3: prove the species yet. Right and again, I don't buy
Speaker 3: the argument that just because we can't or another species
Speaker 3: of eight can't, doesn't mean they can't. Like they could
Speaker 3: be different, they could have evolved differently, like we can't
Speaker 3: rule that out as an option, but we can't prove it.
Speaker 3: So where I kind of keep all the weird stuff
Speaker 3: in the back burner. I don't showcase it out there.
Speaker 3: I can't explain it. I have no rationalization for it.
Speaker 3: I have no rationalization to why we can follow footprints
Speaker 3: for yards. And then they stop. Either bigfoots the world's
Speaker 3: greatest moonwalker, or we don't have an answer right and
Speaker 3: not having that Okay, where we get into problems, Brian,
Speaker 3: is when the people that think they have that answer
Speaker 3: go out and start talking for us, and we all
Speaker 3: sound batshit crazy, like you got to step it backwards.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what we can prove. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: this in a situation that scientists would accept it, and
Speaker 3: listen as we start documenting other things. If we can
Speaker 3: document it, if we can replicate it, if we can
Speaker 3: find an answer to it, we could start talking about
Speaker 3: it a little bit more. But these people that just
Speaker 3: start off at point C and they just think, Oh,
Speaker 3: all these things happen because this is how it is.
Speaker 3: It's a non physical, spiritual entity, which I don't believe
Speaker 3: because that's not what any of the evidence suggests. Your
Speaker 3: evidence is all I witness reports and no offense. It
Speaker 3: could be batshit crazy people reporting that stuff to you.
Speaker 3: I had a woman stand up in one of my
Speaker 3: presentations until the World. She was a ten thousand year
Speaker 3: old extraterrestrial and Bigfoot was her errand boy, I couldn't
Speaker 3: get up and the admonitor in front of all those people.
Speaker 3: It looked like the world it's the greatest asshole. All
Speaker 3: I could do is just nod my head and smile
Speaker 3: and say, well, that's a great take. I'd love to
Speaker 3: talk to you more about that. You know, I wasn't
Speaker 3: going to say, man, you're not someone to give this
Speaker 3: woman a straight jacket, take her out of here. You
Speaker 3: know those people exist. The problem is because the world
Speaker 3: likes the nut jobs. That's who gets the attention, and
Speaker 3: we can't afford that in this especially those of us
Speaker 3: like you and I that are on the scientific realm
Speaker 3: that want to get credence and legitimacy for this creature
Speaker 3: to get it proved. That kurts I don't want those
Speaker 3: folks to be embarrassed about what they believe. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to shut up, like, don't start off with that,
Speaker 3: Bring the subject in, get it established, and then we
Speaker 3: can prove this things exist, then maybe we can maybe
Speaker 3: get a little money, or maybe through observation, after we
Speaker 3: prove it's real, can validate some of these things. You're saying, well,
Speaker 3: we're not going to get anybody to listen to us
Speaker 3: if that's the presentation. It talked to me and it
Speaker 3: came to my back door, knocked and ask for garlic.
Speaker 3: You know, come on, jan that didn't happen. And you
Speaker 3: know it didn't happen. Someone hurt you years ago, and
Speaker 3: it gets you attention and that's what you thrive off of.
Speaker 3: And sadly, Brian, when you look at this, and I'm
Speaker 3: no psychologists, by the way, but I think in what
Speaker 3: we do we have to be not just as interviewers
Speaker 3: and show hosts, but as researchers. We have to understand
Speaker 3: people a little bit. People do things because they don't
Speaker 3: feel important or they need attention. And when you go
Speaker 3: through your life as somebody who's insignificant or has made
Speaker 3: filed insignificant, or has been hurt, and you get people
Speaker 3: to listen to you and people pay attention to you,
Speaker 3: you thrive on that. And that's what happens some of
Speaker 3: these offshoot groups and they become cult of personalities because
Speaker 3: people want to rally around them because they feel for
Speaker 3: them so bad. They want to believe, and they believe
Speaker 3: in them. The problem is in the scientific community that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That's called a cult.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Then we don't want another Ruby Ridge or awaygo on
Speaker 3: our hands with bigfooters.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What we want are people that go out and represent
Speaker 3: this community.
Speaker 4: Well, stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sell right
Speaker 4: back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And it's very divided in this point woo you know,
Speaker 3: And I get hesitant because I have friends in the
Speaker 3: WU camp, But I don't consider them wooers. They're just
Speaker 3: friends that believe in something a little bit more than
Speaker 3: I'm willing to commit to. But I'll still sit down
Speaker 3: and listen to them because they're not batshit crazy. You know,
Speaker 3: they're not crazy. They just believe based on an experience
Speaker 3: they've had and things that they've done, that they connect
Speaker 3: with it on a different level. And that's okay. That's
Speaker 3: on them. But I can't validate that. All I can
Speaker 3: validate is what I've experienced, what other people have experienced,
Speaker 3: and what the evidence shows. That's it. I can't speak
Speaker 3: for anything else because there's nothing that tells that story.
Speaker 3: You and I have footprints. We have handprints. Could they
Speaker 3: all be made up by somebody? Sure they can. But
Speaker 3: we also have sightings and from credible people. That's the
Speaker 3: other part. I was going to ask you a question,
Speaker 3: and I'll ask the question now, being that your former
Speaker 3: law enforcement. Does it irritate you?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: How many people from law enforcement get into this?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I actually love it. I have some really good friends
Speaker 2: who are former law enforcement that are into this.
Speaker 3: Like you would think that these guys wouldn't want to,
Speaker 3: but I can tell you a good part of all
Speaker 3: my friends that I associate with outside of Bigfoot or
Speaker 3: all former law enforcement that love Bigfoot. They love the
Speaker 3: idea and the concept and the fact that half the
Speaker 3: time I'm a better cop than they are. They say,
Speaker 3: it's just just really funny because we take this to
Speaker 3: the next level someone like you who has that experience.
Speaker 3: You know, it's guys like you, guys like David Sagon
Speaker 3: that I look up to to kind of craft how
Speaker 3: to take this into a law enforcement approach. My partner,
Speaker 3: Matt Arner, is a cop. You know, My chief research
Speaker 3: partner is a cop, and I follow a lot of
Speaker 3: those methodologies because to me as a person, they make sense, Brian.
Speaker 3: So to me, it's funny when you say you got
Speaker 3: out of this at that point for you know, sixteen years.
Speaker 3: You didn't want to hurt your ability because it's a
Speaker 3: big deal. Somebody on the other side of the court
Speaker 3: gets that, and you're, you know, looking like a real fool.
Speaker 3: To me, it's crazy that how many people. I have
Speaker 3: a magistrate judge that comes to my speaking engagements and
Speaker 3: talks and gets me reports every now and then. He
Speaker 3: had me speak at his Lions Club at an event
Speaker 3: because I don't sound crazy. I sound reasonable and I
Speaker 3: sound credible, and I'm looking at this from the scientific perspective,
Speaker 3: and that's what we need, Brian. So we get more
Speaker 3: folks from law enforcement. I think that helps us. I
Speaker 3: think it's great. It's just to me, it's kind of
Speaker 3: crazy because, like you said, so many of them that
Speaker 3: are worried about a you know, a reputation. I guess
Speaker 3: I've never been worried about mine in that respect. If
Speaker 3: I'm crazy, I'm crazy. For me, this whole thing beats bowling.
Speaker 3: You know. It's been a great way to distract me
Speaker 3: from the world. When we all need a much needed distraction.
Speaker 2: I definitely agree, man and I get into that. I
Speaker 2: love David. He's one of my favorite people in this
Speaker 2: because he hasn't got a dog in the fight, He
Speaker 2: hasn't had his own experience. He looks at it from
Speaker 2: a very objective point of view. He's objective when it
Speaker 2: comes to the evidence that he looks at. He doesn't
Speaker 2: have a preconceived notion of what's going on. I want
Speaker 2: to shift gears a little bit and talk about something
Speaker 2: that came up a couple of years ago. For me,
Speaker 2: I had never seen the Legend of Boggi Creek, and
Speaker 2: it came out in the early seventies. I'm a seventies kid.
Speaker 2: I was born in seventy four. People were saying, how
Speaker 2: can you call yourself an actual Bigfoot researcher if you've
Speaker 2: never seen the Legend of Boggie Creek. So me and
Speaker 2: my former co host of that Bigfoot podcast, Wayne and
Speaker 2: I set down. He was in Tennessee. I was here
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. We watched the Legend of Bogie Creek,
Speaker 2: and I took two pages of notes during this film
Speaker 2: because it was one of the first places where we
Speaker 2: saw what was quote unquote expected when it comes to
Speaker 2: these encounters. And I want to ask you this. You've
Speaker 2: been doing this for twenty plus years as far as
Speaker 2: interviewing people and talking about these things, and I've gotten
Speaker 2: in some hot water on my own show, My Bread
Speaker 2: and Butter. I do this full time. I'm a full
Speaker 2: time podcaster, and I interview people who have had experiences
Speaker 2: with these creatures, and I get into a little bit
Speaker 2: of hot water because I think I'm pretty honest. I
Speaker 2: talked about this in my first books, I Squatch Unleash
Speaker 2: the Truth behind the Legend. I talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about the influence of pop culture and what we consume
Speaker 2: as people that are into the subject, and how that
Speaker 2: influences our own potential experiences. And I think we have
Speaker 2: to be honest. I've talked about this tons of times
Speaker 2: over the last few years. We have to be honest.
Speaker 2: I think as podcasters and people who collect these stories
Speaker 2: put them out there. Your show is certainly very similar
Speaker 2: to mine as a repository for these kind of experiences.
Speaker 2: You and I will be long gone in one hundred years,
Speaker 2: but people can go back after you and I are
Speaker 2: gone and listen to all of these interviews that we've
Speaker 2: done one hundred years from now, so we are a
Speaker 2: repository for these experiences. And when I took those two
Speaker 2: plus pages of notes, there were certain through lines that
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy one or seventy two, when this film
Speaker 2: came out, through twenty twenty six are there. There's a smell,
Speaker 2: the ominous feeling of being watched. The entire place went quiet.
Speaker 2: There was no squirrels, there was no frogs, there was
Speaker 2: no cicadas. Everything went quiet. It even felt like the
Speaker 2: world was holding its breath when of these things were around.
Speaker 2: There's a litany of these particular quote unquote things that
Speaker 2: go on with these experiences.
Speaker 3: It always follows the creeks, always travels the creeks.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this, we're talking fifty plus years. Let
Speaker 2: me ask you this. I'm gonna get to a question.
Speaker 2: I promise as a podcaster who has been in this
Speaker 2: for twenty plus years, have you seen a trend because
Speaker 2: here's one of two things that's happening here. Either all
Speaker 2: of that shit is true, all of those things happen
Speaker 2: when you're having a bigfoot experience, or it's what is
Speaker 2: expected when you're having a bigfoot experience, and I have
Speaker 2: found myself honestly, over the last couple of years interviewing people,
Speaker 2: I start checking boxes when they start talking about these things,
Speaker 2: because I'll be honest, summer of twenty twenty four, I
Speaker 2: was ten feet away from these creatures. I didn't smell anything,
Speaker 2: I didn't feel that same feeling of being watched. I
Speaker 2: didn't feel that ominous feeling. None of those things were
Speaker 2: present for me. And I'm not saying that's not possible.
Speaker 2: But I guess the question for you, as someone who's
Speaker 2: been in this for twenty plus years interviewing witnesses who
Speaker 2: have had these kind of experiences, have you considered the
Speaker 2: fact of how much of what's been out there in
Speaker 2: the documentaries, the movies, the docu dramas, whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be, how much has that truly influenced what people
Speaker 2: are reporting that they experienced during these encounters. Because I
Speaker 2: don't think that most of these people are making these
Speaker 2: things up whole cloth, but I think we have to
Speaker 2: be intellectually honest with ourselves and our audience that there
Speaker 2: is a potential for that happening. So succinctly, I guess
Speaker 2: the question for you is how much of that have
Speaker 2: you experienced in your career with interviewing people for your show.
Speaker 3: I think a lot, and I don't think as intentional
Speaker 3: like you said. I go back to my sighting that
Speaker 3: I told you about, didn't really have the feeling of
Speaker 3: being watched, didn't have the smell, didn't even look like
Speaker 3: a traditional version of what a bigfoot should look like.
Speaker 3: Mine looked like a big, lanky, NBA kind of built.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the big hulking It was very spell to
Speaker 3: moved so gracefully. And then I go back and think
Speaker 3: about the Patterson film and how Patty had breasts, and
Speaker 3: then the artistic rendition that Roger pattersond used for his
Speaker 3: book also had a bigfoot the head breast, but was
Speaker 3: also from the William Rose siding that the creature had breasts.
Speaker 3: So which came first, the chicken or the egger? Do
Speaker 3: the bigfoots really have breasts?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So from the beginning of this, how much did Albert
Speaker 3: Ousman contaminate Bigfoot with that story? So we go back
Speaker 3: and you know, go through all that. For us, it's
Speaker 3: been happening from the beginning. The more and more we
Speaker 3: talk about it, the more we put it out there,
Speaker 3: to your point, I think people tell us things not
Speaker 3: because they happened, but because they're expected to happen. Now,
Speaker 3: I call that all ancillary, because there's one thing you
Speaker 3: can't fabricate, in my opinion, is the genuine reaction you
Speaker 3: get from somebody when they've seen and experienced something they
Speaker 3: really can't explain. That's telling you know, it's not that
Speaker 3: all I heard at would knock fourteen times. So first
Speaker 3: of all, I don't even think we really talking about
Speaker 3: wood knocking before the nineties. Stan Gordon, longtime researcher Stan Gordon,
Speaker 3: who's a little bit more on the side right and
Speaker 3: I were talking. He goes, we never talked about that
Speaker 3: in the seventies. That was never a thing, you know,
Speaker 3: So things like that that I don't know why the
Speaker 3: hell we do it, but you know, people do. You know,
Speaker 3: we've influenced it so much. And I think people tell
Speaker 3: us because they want us to be hooked again, Brian.
Speaker 3: They want us to listen, you know, because in that
Speaker 3: moment they have a story to tell, and maybe if
Speaker 3: they make it just a little bit more exciting, we
Speaker 3: won't have a hard time believing them. Because I think
Speaker 3: unintentionally sometimes I come across as I don't want to
Speaker 3: say disinterested asshole. I just come across as somebody that's serious,
Speaker 3: because this is serious to me, like it's my time.
Speaker 3: That's why it's my time, and I'm coming out here
Speaker 3: to talk to you. I want to get as much
Speaker 3: information from you as possible. We need you, and in
Speaker 3: doing so, we need you to be as honest with
Speaker 3: us as possible. Like I said, sometimes it's unintentional. They're
Speaker 3: going to fill in those blanks that maybe they're having
Speaker 3: from memory because that's what they've seen on the shows.
Speaker 3: And Guy said earlier, we've created the world's greatest GUIDs
Speaker 3: to hoaxing. But you really have to go with your gut.
Speaker 3: You being former law enforcement, know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: With that gut feeling, something's just not adding up, it's
Speaker 3: not right.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: And that's where it goes with me. And if I
Speaker 3: have reservations, I share it. I don't share it so
Speaker 3: much with the witness as I share it with my partner.
Speaker 3: I always do this stuff with Matt or with James Baker,
Speaker 3: because you know, first of all, Matt's cop James Baker,
Speaker 3: who's you know, my sardonic sarcastic best friend. He's a skeptic,
Speaker 3: he's skeptical. We went out on an investigation one time
Speaker 3: and there's all these researchers around the hood of this
Speaker 3: car looking at a photograph, and the guy's talking about
Speaker 3: this bigfoot photo he has, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden he starts talking about, well, here's a gray in
Speaker 3: this picture, and then here's a panther. And Baker's like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop you for a second. Do you have
Speaker 3: the original picture?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it in the car. So here's all
Speaker 3: this researchers. None of us thought to ask that question.
Speaker 3: We're looking at it in large bit of a photograph.
Speaker 3: He goes in, comes back out, puts on the car,
Speaker 3: and it's a picture outside his grandmother's bay window into
Speaker 3: her garden. We're looking at artifacts in a photograph of
Speaker 3: a garden. And it just took the wind out of
Speaker 3: the crew. You know, everybody that was there. Just took
Speaker 3: the wind out everybody because Baker asked one question, do
Speaker 3: you have the original? That just cost us thirty five
Speaker 3: minutes of owing and on over a photograph of somebody's
Speaker 3: grandma's garden. So it's like little moments like that, and
Speaker 3: having people that are grounded and having an alternate point
Speaker 3: of view that I think also help us weed through that.
Speaker 3: Keeping ourselves in check, that helps because we have made
Speaker 3: it so easy, Brian, to hoax, not intentionally. You or
Speaker 3: I don't do Sasquatch audits or your sascatch experience to
Speaker 3: bring people to hoax us. No, we bring it to
Speaker 3: share information. That's what happens. Information's dangerous, and unfortunately that's
Speaker 3: the net result of our sharing is people are going
Speaker 3: to get better. AI is the big thing right now.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Brian, I don't have a
Speaker 3: hard time telling when something's a not yet. I'm sure
Speaker 3: it's going to come. But when you and I go
Speaker 3: see King Kong versus Godzilla, which is the major motion
Speaker 3: picture with the best special effects imaginable, it still looks
Speaker 3: like a damn fake monkey to me.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It's another James Baker joke. Someone was wearing a big
Speaker 3: Foot costume at a conference and the guy said something
Speaker 3: about a suit. What did he say, gimblin and Patterson
Speaker 3: only had the one or something like that. Everybody wanted
Speaker 3: to persecute him because he was making a joke. And
Speaker 3: people take that seriously too, right, you get those crowds
Speaker 3: that you got to have a sense of humor in this.
Speaker 3: If you don't have a sense of humor, you're setting
Speaker 3: yourself up for fail. Mike, friends, you know Gwen Purcell
Speaker 3: and her husband great sense of humors. You have to
Speaker 3: have good sense of humors in this, and I've been
Speaker 3: lucky to meet great people with good sense of humor.
Speaker 3: While we take this seriously, Brian, it's a serious thing,
Speaker 3: it's also got to be fun because when it's not fun,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this. I don't want to
Speaker 3: do this if it's not fun.
Speaker 2: I am the same way, my friend. I did not
Speaker 2: miss the fact that you talked about out writing a book.
Speaker 2: I wrote three books in twenty twenty five. I've got
Speaker 2: two books that are currently published on the subject.
Speaker 3: I have them back here on my shelf.
Speaker 2: Before we get into the Sasquatch experience, what people can
Speaker 2: expect when they check that out, let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about your process for the book and what that's
Speaker 2: going to look like when you get it finished.
Speaker 3: Working with Small Town Monsters Publishing on the book, because
Speaker 3: you know, I've been friends with Seth Breedlove since they
Speaker 3: made Mi Nerve a Monster, which is my least favorite
Speaker 3: Down Monsters movie. I always tell Seth I hate that movie,
Speaker 3: but I love Seth. I met his parents they were
Speaker 3: selling merchandise at a table at one of the conferences.
Speaker 3: I got to know him well over the years and
Speaker 3: they've just become good friends. And I like what they do,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think if you're going to put
Speaker 3: a lot of effort and thought into it like you do,
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of our friends out there,
Speaker 3: I'm going to support you in any way I can.
Speaker 3: And then because I've been a good supporter, you know,
Speaker 3: and I've been in some of their features and whatnot.
Speaker 3: I've been wanting to write a book forever and people
Speaker 3: have been interested in me writing a book. Why I
Speaker 3: don't know, but it's been a process.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: It's hard to narrow down the important parts of thirty
Speaker 3: years and to try to make it captivating to people,
Speaker 3: because you know, when you're thinking about it, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I've gone over the shit in my head now thirty
Speaker 3: forty times, it's not so interesting to me, but to
Speaker 3: other people what I'm doing is I'm writing now I'm
Speaker 3: having to go back in and add more detail because
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've really made this to general. I got
Speaker 3: to go back and put more into this or people
Speaker 3: aren't going to like it. And I'm writing with Matt Arner,
Speaker 3: not just with me. Matt and I are writing it together,
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a little kind of biographical
Speaker 3: in terms of my research. You're going to get a
Speaker 3: good insight into me why I think the way I
Speaker 3: think I feel, some of the early cases I investigated,
Speaker 3: some of the stuff we've done, and then the back
Speaker 3: of it. We're going to kind of helpe as like
Speaker 3: a repository of sightings from Pennsylvania because we've kind of
Speaker 3: stayed local. There's a whole world out there. I get it,
Speaker 3: but I'm also a practical person and I want to
Speaker 3: be able to get my vehicle and go to these
Speaker 3: places in research. If there's a sighting, I want to
Speaker 3: be able to get to it quick. I don't want
Speaker 3: to have to get onto a plane and fly across
Speaker 3: the country. I want to be a to go out
Speaker 3: and do it. So we stay local because you get
Speaker 3: to know those areas better than anybody. And when something's
Speaker 3: out of place and something's not right, you know what
Speaker 3: you know, something like that'll be in the book too.
Speaker 3: So Matt and I are putting that together and hopefully
Speaker 3: they get humor and fun because I really am about that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm not good at conveying that because I have
Speaker 3: to be the serious one on the show, like I
Speaker 3: have to be the adult in the room because the
Speaker 3: rest of them are adult children. I'm famous for my
Speaker 3: occasional all I ask is for one hour and haf
Speaker 3: in a week. You know, I'm famous for having to
Speaker 3: drop that during the show. I'm very sophomoric with my humor.
Speaker 3: I'm a dad. My kids are very fortunate to have
Speaker 3: me as a father. I like to say that a lot,
Speaker 3: because I'm a cool dad. I love to have my
Speaker 3: kids around. Two My kids are adults now. My daughter's
Speaker 3: twenty three. She goes to all the functions with me
Speaker 3: where there's art. She loves art. And then my son,
Speaker 3: he's nineteen. He's more just in women than Bigfoot. And
Speaker 3: then I've got a younger son who's fifteen, and I
Speaker 3: don't think he's really into this Brian. I think he
Speaker 3: humors me because I'm dad. But my hilson has actually
Speaker 3: gone out in the field and done research with May
Speaker 3: and hopefully he'll come back after I realize women are
Speaker 3: nothing but trouble.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I want them to get those insights into me too,
Speaker 3: because you only get a snippet of us. You get
Speaker 3: us for an hour every other week on a show,
Speaker 3: and if you get to know us as friends, that's great.
Speaker 3: But I just want people to get to know why
Speaker 3: this is important to me, why I've spent so much
Speaker 3: time on it. I'm not crazy. I think I've talked
Speaker 3: to therapists over the years for various things. None of
Speaker 3: it's ever been about Bigfunt. That's my outlet, you know.
Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, this beats bowling for me, right,
Speaker 3: this is where I have my fun. And the thing
Speaker 3: is I've got to meet incredible people that I never
Speaker 3: would have meant for.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: We got to meet college professors, you get to meet
Speaker 3: TV stars, you get to meet the greatest people on
Speaker 3: the planet that are in this field. I've got to
Speaker 3: meet them all, and I think they're great. There's very
Speaker 3: few people I want to hit with a brick, you know,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately they're out there, but try to stay away
Speaker 3: from them. I just love this man. It's been fun
Speaker 3: to meet people like you. I'll be it very briefly
Speaker 3: when we were in Tennessee, because people don't realize we're
Speaker 3: working at those events. They're not vacations, we're working. That's
Speaker 3: another thing. Sometimes I feel bad because I'm talking to
Speaker 3: somebody and I don't want them to think they're not
Speaker 3: getting my full attention. But there's like four other people
Speaker 3: over here, you know how it is, that want to
Speaker 3: talk and they want to share something with you, and
Speaker 3: they're waiting and they're looking at you. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: am I going to do? Tell them to speed it up,
Speaker 3: you know, help meet here. You know, I want the
Speaker 3: book to be able to showcase that, because without all
Speaker 3: of them, without the people that listen, without the people
Speaker 3: that experience and the people that report it, we're just
Speaker 3: sitting on old shit. You know, we're just going to
Speaker 3: be talking about the Patterson Giblin film for another fifty years.
Speaker 3: And I can't do that. I will go insane. I
Speaker 3: will go and saying if that's the case.
Speaker 2: I am right there with you, Sean. I hope you
Speaker 2: will come back when the book is out. We'd love
Speaker 2: to have you back on Sasquatch Odyssey. But before we
Speaker 2: get out of here. I want you to talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about the sasquats experience. You are one of
Speaker 2: the og when it comes to podcasting in this space,
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about the Sasquats experience.
Speaker 2: What they can expect when they check it out.
Speaker 3: You can experience bad audio quality, which it never seems
Speaker 3: like we can get it right, Like if you go
Speaker 3: back and look through all the comments, or your audio sucks,
Speaker 3: well you suck? Okay, how about that? Open your ears?
Speaker 3: You ever think about getting your ears checked? Why does
Speaker 3: it always have to be like, look, if you look
Speaker 3: at all the shit I have here, this is expensive.
Speaker 3: This wasn't free. I had to pay for this. Now
Speaker 3: my co hosts, on the other hand, we have problems.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie. But that's the charm of
Speaker 3: the show, right. Everybody brings a unique experience. But we
Speaker 3: talk about current events, We talk to researchers. We haven't
Speaker 3: really talked to a lot of witnesses, but we're going
Speaker 3: to start trying to bring that on again, mainly because
Speaker 3: a lot of you guys talk about witnesses. We're just
Speaker 3: trying to kind of set it up and you know,
Speaker 3: trying to be a little different. There are a lot
Speaker 3: of us, but there aren't as many as there were
Speaker 3: at its peak. Like I remember at one point in time,
Speaker 3: you know, you would listen to one guest on one
Speaker 3: show and the next thing you know, they're on somebody
Speaker 3: else's show in a half hour. Somebody drabbed them that quick,
Speaker 3: and so we're just trying to keep it fresh. Everybody's
Speaker 3: working out their own little niche, you know, and keeping
Speaker 3: it real for the people that enjoy this topic. It's
Speaker 3: fun and it's got to stay that way and hopefully
Speaker 3: they get that from the show. Sometimes it's adult themed
Speaker 3: in terms of the language. Sometimes it gets a little spicy,
Speaker 3: you know. We had an episode where somebody sent us
Speaker 3: a copy of a book called The Sensual Sasquatch and
Speaker 3: it was all about sexuals Sasquatch encounters, and so we
Speaker 3: tried to talk about that. The conversation didn't last very
Speaker 3: long because they are a bunch of children. We got
Speaker 3: a nasty graham from a listener. You guys are perverts,
Speaker 3: because Baker asked if Bigfoot had a penis or a
Speaker 3: red rocket. That was the question. Honestly, Brian, If we
Speaker 3: look at all the reports, there's conflictions there. Where do
Speaker 3: we go, there's conflictions, So you got to approach the
Speaker 3: topic sensitively, I guess. But you know, we try to
Speaker 3: inject humor and we try to have fun. But at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, we are a
Speaker 3: little protective about this because as much as we want
Speaker 3: to have humor and fun, we also want people to
Speaker 3: be honest and as detail oriented as possible to get
Speaker 3: us information. And because we do research, that's the core
Speaker 3: of it. We do get out there and investigate and
Speaker 3: hopefully people tune in. It's every other Monday night at
Speaker 3: nine o'clock. We're on Facebook and YouTube at Sasquatch Experience.
Speaker 3: I make it simple for everybody. If you want to
Speaker 3: follow me on social media, it's Sean Forker. I don't
Speaker 3: hide behind a pseudonym. I'm me everywhere. If you want
Speaker 3: to follow a Sasquatch Experience, you find Sasquatch Experience. It's
Speaker 3: us everywhere. It's just simple. You know, in the twenty
Speaker 3: thirty years I've been involved in this research, twenty years
Speaker 3: of podcasting, nobody's ever come to my house and tried
Speaker 3: to kill me. So I haven't needed to come up
Speaker 3: with a pen name like anybody else. It's just you know,
Speaker 3: I have fun doing it, and if you want to
Speaker 3: talk hit me up. You might not like the conversation.
Speaker 3: I've had people call me at two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: What do you think about this? I think you ought
Speaker 3: to read a book and hang up. You know, there's
Speaker 3: these great things, Brian. You're familiar with them because you've
Speaker 3: written three and probably will write forty. But there's these
Speaker 3: things called books that people write that research to put
Speaker 3: information in them. Folks, you would benefit yourself or you'd
Speaker 3: go out and read them. And they make audio books.
Speaker 3: If you can't read or don't like to read, there's
Speaker 3: audio books, so that information's out there. Listen to all
Speaker 3: our shows. So if you listen to our shows, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of answers in there, so you don't have
Speaker 3: to call us at two o'clock in the morning and
Speaker 3: give us a theory that was proven incorrect in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy four.
Speaker 2: Once again, one of the many many reasons I love
Speaker 2: Sean Forker. You guys, go check out the Sasquatch experience.
Speaker 2: I cannot lie. The author of the Sensual Sasquatch reached
Speaker 2: out to me a couple of years ago. I have
Speaker 2: a copy of it upstairs right now as we record
Speaker 2: this next to my bed. I got through the first
Speaker 2: few chapters and I had to put it down. I've
Speaker 2: never had him on the show, but we might eventually.
Speaker 2: On Sasquatch Odyssey.
Speaker 3: We didn't have them on. We just talked about the
Speaker 3: book and that was controversial enough. But I think it'll
Speaker 3: be worth it because you know what the thing is, Brian.
Speaker 3: Nobody's had him on yet, so you'll have to get
Speaker 3: them on.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: We'll make it easy for everybody, as we always do.
Speaker 2: The link to check out Sad Squatch Experience will be
Speaker 2: right here in the show notes. You guys go over
Speaker 2: and check it out. Show Sean and his co host
Speaker 2: some love Sean, Thank you so much, man. This has
Speaker 2: been a long time coming and I have had an
Speaker 2: absolute blast having you on the show.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. It's been a lot of fun. Brian,
Speaker 3: and we got to get you on Sasquatch Experience now
Speaker 3: so you can experience the tribunal for yourself and we'll
Speaker 3: have a good time.
Speaker 2: I am always down, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy.
Speaker 5: They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be happenchant this child, that child.
Speaker 5: Everything came right back, riding back, joy from me, Joy
Speaker 5: staying right, You come in right away. Still step doss,
Speaker 5: still stay pass, still states gainst us stass