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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend where once again Canelo Alvarez demonstrates,

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to whatever extent, he still got it even against a

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younger contending fighter. He gets to win, he retains the

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unified Super MIDDLEWEGE Championships, and we're ready to go over

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that the entire card, some news, some nostalgia. It is

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the Fight Preach U Night Recap podcast. Hello there, I

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am the somewhat rested, somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: He's the somewhat rested, somewhat competent. Well, you know what,

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You're very competent insider. But we're both a little punchy

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here on a Sunday night for reasons we're about to explain. Hello,

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Dan Rayphiel back from Vegas. Good to have you back

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aboard after Canelo's winning. Ready to go over at all

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good do Good to talk to you this evening.

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Speaker 2: How are things?

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Speaker 3: Things are? Good? Was a good weekend?

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Speaker 2: You and I have both traveled.

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Speaker 1: You have traveled from Las Vegas all day and night,

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and I have traveled from Detroit after my Buccaneers in

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the NFL have won the game to go to two

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and zero.

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Speaker 2: So as I like to joke with you, and with others.

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Speaker 1: As long as I don't give out my bank account

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in here on the program, I think we're ahead of

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the game tonight.

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Speaker 2: As we talked boxing.

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Speaker 1: We do this twice every weekend, typically review going into

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the weekend, recap off the weekend. Make sure you rate

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Speaker 2: It helps us along the way.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you were there inside the T Mobile

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arena as Canelo Aluvarez defeats Edgar Berlanga.

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Speaker 2: As I said at the top, he still got it.

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He is still.

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Speaker 1: Talented, quick, the reflexes, the punching power. Berlanga was game.

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Berlanga probably could have been stopped had he not been game,

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but he was not stopped. He hung in, but clearly overmatched.

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That's me saying that. All right, what are your thoughts?

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You were right there covering it firsthand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree with everything you just said.

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First of all, I think it was a almost a

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universal prediction that Canello would win the fight, and he

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would do so by knockout. Just a mere fact that

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Edgar Berlanga went twelve rounds as a win for him.

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I mean, if there's such a thing as oral victory

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in boxing, it's that kind of fight. I think, frankly,

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coming out of the fight, more people are talking or

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commenting about Edgar Berlanga than they are about Canelo. And

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that's not a negative about Canalo because he just has

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been like old man River, just keeps doing his thing.

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But Edgar Berlanga, you know, I know some people are

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criticizing he didn't deserve the fight. True. You know, he

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lost every round, true, got knocked down. True, But you know, listen,

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he was entertaining the combination of two of those guys.

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It was a good fight to watch. So whether it

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was I mean, twelve to nothing or you know, we

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talked about what range of acceptable scores for that fight.

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You're talking about probably twelve zero, maybe you can make

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it tend to two. Two of the judges had attended

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to One of the judges, actually, David Sutherland, gave Berlanga

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three rounds. I'd like to actually have a conversation with

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mister Sutherland about that because that seems a little generous.

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But nonetheless, certainly no controversy over the victory.

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Speaker 2: You have a shutout, did you have eleven to one,

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twelve nothing.

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Speaker 3: I had a twelve to nothing. I didn't I didn't

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even think there was one round that I even You

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know a lot of times in your scoring fights, you're like, well,

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maybe you know, I put a little check mark. You know,

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I'll put a little asterisk, like close round, I might

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write a notation on my paper. In this particular fight,

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I had a twelve nothing with no no further commentary necessary.

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But just back to Berlanga, Uh, he's gonna get better

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from this. I mean he he's gonna grow from it.

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are shades of when Canelo went in the ring with

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Floyd Mayweather and got taken to the woodshed. He became

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a much better fighter after that. He learned, you know,

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things that he didn't know. What he had to take serious,

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what he had to you know, practice, what you have

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to have in terms of the mentality of how you

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perform in those types of events. And Edgar Berlanga, who

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is a guy that has idolized Canelo over, has said

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so several times, is gonna is gonna follow I think

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in that kind of foot past footsteps. I'm not saying

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he's gonna become the pound for pound number one or

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do the kinds of accomplishments that Canelo did post his

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loss to Floyd. But I do think that Edgar is

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going to have a bigger fan base. He's gonna have

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a lot more confidence. You go twelve rounds with a

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master like Canelo, and you survive it, and you have

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a couple of moments you know you're gonna be in

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be ahead of the game. The knockdown that occurred in

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the third round, he just left himself wide open defensive laps.

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on his rear end. But I didn't think he was

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that hurt. He was more pissed off, because if you

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watch the replay, he didn't. His reaction was not like,

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oh I'm hurt. His reaction was, oh fuck, And he

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pounded his gloves together right like he was just mad

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at himself because he knew immediately like he had had

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a defensive laps and got nailt.

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right there ringside that Canelo was going for the knockout.

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But to his credit, Berlanga fired back. He wasn't just

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bear hugging him, trying to survive the round he fired back.

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maybe not probable, that Canelo was gonna end it, like

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everybody thought right there in the third.

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Speaker 3: I thought he wasn't and give me my win on

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the under eight half knocked out. But listen, like Berlanga,

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you know he did survive, and you're one hundred percent right.

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When the knockdown happened. When they got up off the

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deck and the fight resumed, Canelo was just throwing everything

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at him but the kitchen sink, as they say, he

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was teeing off and he was laying in some shots

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in Berlanga, there was not lere was still. I don't

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remember exactly how much time was left, but it was certainly,

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you know, more than just a few seconds. You know,

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sometimes you see a knockout left, okay, So he had

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plenty of time to work with to try to get

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the knockout. He tried and Berlanga, remember Berlanga had only

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been down in his career one time before that against Cosas,

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and he survived that fight. That was the fight also

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where he suffered the biceps injury, and he came through

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that like a champ. So we you know, based on

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that victory, he already knew to some degree that he

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had heart because of the fact that he overcame not

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only the knockdown, but also, you know, more more notably

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a significant injury that he ultimately had surgery on. So

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from Berlanga's perspective, you know, they'll they'll dust him off,

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he'll take a rest, and they'll bring him back. They'll

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maybe go to New York to do a fight, maybe

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a Puerto Rican weekend fight. They'll they'll, uh, you know,

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they'll get him a solid win and then they're gonna

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look for something big. I was talking to his manager,

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late late Saturday night, I guess it was technically Sunday morning,

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you know, And there's there's gonna be possibilities. You know,

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who was also promoted by Matchroom. That may not be

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the immediate thing. I think they'll look for maybe a

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bigger name. Pacheco is still a work in progress to

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some degree, not that Berlanga isn't. But Berlanga is a

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little more advanced than Pachecko was. But kayleb Plant who

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will talk about who's on the under card would be interesting.

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You know there's Christian ran Billy out there. You know

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they would love to make eventually another big Mexico Puerto

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Rico fight between Berlanga and Jimi Mungee. Who's gonna fight

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this coming Friday, September twentieth, So there's gonna be some action.

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I mean, Canelo may rule the roost, but the guys

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that he beats and others in the way class still

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can be in interesting fights if they fight each other.

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So Berlanga is twenty seven years old. He showed a lot,

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he made a lot of money. He came out of

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that fight without any damage to you know, real damage

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or anything like that. Uh, And he went twelve rounds

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with an all time great in his first really significant fight.

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I mean, he'd never really faced a top quality guy.

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The guys he'd fought and beaten to get to this point,

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you know, being generous, were like, you know, B minus

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type guys, C plus type guys, you know, solid professionals,

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but not guys who are gonna blow your doors off.

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uh you know Jason Quigley and uh, Roma Angulo, you

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know Steve Rowles. I mean, good solid pros, but not

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you know, the kind of guys that Canelo could probably

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beat a couple of those in the same night. And

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so in terms of Canelo's performance, I mean, you gotta

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be a little concerned that he's now gone six fights

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without a knockout.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Some might argue, say, well, okay, fighting to get a knockout,

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but he's had knockdowns in four consecutive fights, which is true.

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He did knock down Berlanga and I'm clean as a

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whistle shop. Like we just talked about. He did knock

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down Heimimungky and I am convinced that he carried monkey

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in that fight. He did drop Jermale Charlow in there.

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John Ryder. You got to go all the way back

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to the third fight against Glofkin uh in twenty twenty two,

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where he did not get a knockdown. So he's he's

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he's landing punches, knocking guys down. He's just not It's

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not translating to the knockouts.

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Speaker 2: At both and the other.

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Speaker 1: And the other part of it is that he's older,

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and so we can start to, you know, delve in

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and speculate, but he hasn't come close to losing any

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of these fights. He lost the fight to bevol moving up,

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but any of these recent fights, he hasn't come close

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to losing them. He's dominated basically all of them, and

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one convincingly so. And like he said in the ring

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after the fight, they said, you're not fighting young guys.

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Charlow and now Mongia and Berlanga in particular, we're all

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young guys. You can say what they want, what you

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want about their level of experience, but he didn't come

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm going to say, I'm not

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going to go and say Jamel Charlowe's is down right, right.

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Speaker 2: So the last two last he's.

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Speaker 3: Thirty four years old. He's been around a long time,

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but he's not an old guy like.

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Speaker 1: That, right, Mongilla and Berlanga, correct, are I mean, they're

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like twenty seven developmental in their twenties. But he didn't

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come close to losing either one of them. He dominated him,

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is my point. Even if he didn't knock him out,

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that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But even if you go back since the BiVO loss,

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he dominated the third fight with Triple G, he dominated

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and dropped John Ryder, He dominated and dropped Charlote.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He dominated, and I think could have knocked out Mangia

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and knocked him down. And obviously, you know, we saw

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what we saw against Berlanga. That was another one sided

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scoring fight. But you know, here's the thing. I would

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rather spend my pay per view money and watch that

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kind of fight that turns out to be like a

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twelfth to nothing route, then spend my pay per view

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money on a fight that might be closer on the scorecards,

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but stink out loud because they're the lack of action.

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So you got to pick your poison.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about lack of action here. Oh yeah,

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let's stand by.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is so now, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna say, what is your perception?

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I don't know what else is out there to challenge him.

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could totally see him maybe looking at maybe twenty twenty

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five and the two fights if he has two more

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fights as maybe being it, because I don't know what

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else is out there.

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is healthy and hungry and making big money, he's going

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to fight. He made that very clear. He loves this.

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bites that are what puts guys in retirements. They don't

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want to train. I remember having conversation back in the

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day with Lennox Lewis about this exact topic when he

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was retired and he was getting chased around to do

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a rematch with Klitchko, and he had all these different

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entities that were throwing money at him and wanted to

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put on the rematch and this and that. I remember

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having like a pretty decent conversation with him, and you know,

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he was like, what do you think? And I told

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him straight to his face, and he agreed with me.

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the idea that was chasing around to do these fights.

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at you. You don't really have a problem getting in

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the ring and doing the fight, But you don't want

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to go to training camp for eight weeks and lock

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down and fucking put the work in. You've been there,

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done that. You know you're not a young guy. You've

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made crazy amounts of money and you'd rather put your

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feet up than go running at five o'clock in the morning.

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to get out of bed and new road work at

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five am when you're sleeping in silk pajamas. Canelo Alvarez does.

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he doesn't have a problem doing that. You talk to

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anybody on the Canelo Alvarez team, they'll tell you works

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just as hard in the training camp today as he

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should he. He's got a tremendous amount of fans. They

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sold that place out, so they say last night over

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twenty thousand in the building. You know, great energy, He

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loves what he does. The fans love him. You know,

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he may not be fighting every single guy you demand

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to see him fight, but he's not fighting complete bums.

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and he's putting on big events. I mean, they went

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up against the UFC. They had a bigger crowd than

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the UFC. I'm not sure what the gate's gonna wind up,

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but it's going to be a big gate for the

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fight the other night. So Canelo is not retiring. But

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the point is well taken. We talked about in the

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pre fight. Who in the world do you fight? Now?

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I understand everybodys want a church Benavidez, Benavidez, Benn vide

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is fine. Benavidez. I've written thousands of words that I

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want to see that fight and as should happen, and

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I'm pissed off at Canelo that it didn't happen. But

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I can't live my life just like bitching because that

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fight didn't happen. Life goes on. He's moved up and

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wait and I'll make the reminder as I do on

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a regular basis. Consider TJ this my Fight Freaks Unite

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Recap podcast public service announcement. Yes, even if Canelo Alvarez

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had decided I want to fight David Benavidez on Mexan

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Independence Day weekend, David Benavidez was not available because he

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was injured and he's out for the next few months,

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so you know, he may be back in December, but

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he certainly was not going to be available to have

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the fight on the Mexican weekend, So that took that

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out of the possibility. And as we discussed before the fight,

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of the guys that were available that he could fight,

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but Mari Lango was probably the most interesting of the

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available opponents. So you know, the one thing that irritated

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me was they charted like they charged ninety bucks of

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the paper view instead of you know, a little bit

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less like the half for the most of the recent ones.

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But that's all different topic. So who does he fight?

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I mean, there's not even like a guy out there

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at one sixty eight that would make for like a

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good rematch. So he talks about, Okay, maybe Bivol for undisputed.

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If Bivol is the victory, gets the victory against better

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BF coming up in October, but there's no guarantee that

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would happen. Remember, Bivol was willing to do the rematch,

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but he wanted to do it at one sixty eight

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and fight for Canelo's titles. Canelo wanted to do it

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at one seventy five. I mean, I have to suspect

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that if that fight actually does come to the point

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where they're going to have the conversation, that they'll have

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to be able to get over the whole situation with

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the way it's too big of a fight for both

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guys in terms of their legacies and the money to

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dick around about which way classes in. But add one

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hundred and sixty eight pounds, And I say that with

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the idea that we're not seeing David Morrell and Benevide's

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coming back to one sixty eight. He already beat Mangia,

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name at all. Unfortunately, that woud probably be a fun

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fight to watch. So I mean, I'm not saying that

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will happen, but that's there, you know, Pacheco's not ready

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for that at this point. Uh. He's even less ready

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than Berlango was in my opinion. So this is one

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of the rare times where you have a big superstar

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fighter comes off of a victory, and you know, if

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we am boxing, who fans and press and people in

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the industry, everybody always looks ahead like what's next? There's

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there was nobody like I was at the press conference

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after the fight. There was nobody even that came up

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in terms of like would you fight this guy? Would

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you fight that guy? No one even really came up

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other than the mention about the problem the possibility of

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doing a bivolvery match if he's the winner and doing

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it at one hundred and seventy five pounds, But in

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terms of super middleweight contenders, there was no needs to

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my recollection network broached like how will you fight this guy?

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He's because when he became undisputed, he beat a lot

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of those top guys and has defended against them.

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Speaker 1: So now we just sit back and maybe Bevil wins

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this upcoming battle with better BV and the Russian undisputed

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light heavyweight UH title main event that will be in

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October and maybe that becomes the angle, but they'll they've

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got time to come up with something. We're not gonna

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see he's gonna fight. They're not gonna see him till

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the spring of next year.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. It's two times a year, and it's not gonna

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beat on the spring of next year anyway.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna will be uh, you know, he he he.

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His plans obviously are going to be I mean it

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can always change, obviously, but the plan is come back,

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say't go to my weekend and uh and uh and

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fight once again. But as I look down the rankings,

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like you go, like I'm looking on box Wreck as

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an example, and you go down the top ten. Obviously

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he's number one, and then from ability, that'd be a

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good fight, you know. Okay, that's a I guess a possibility. Uh,

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who's gonna you know, he's highly ranked in the organization,

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so he could maybe be ten, become a mandatory, and

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then beyond that he already Jimi Mangia, you know os

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LEAs Iglesias, who's twelve, and oh forget about that. That's

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that's that's I mean, he's completely unknown. Pacheco. We discussed plan.

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I think he might be retiring. You know, Kevin Leiley Sajoe,

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who's a good fighter for France, but completely unknown. Berlanga,

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he just beat Eric Bazinian is fighting Mangia on Friday. Uh,

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probably going to lose that fight. Vladimir Shishkin is fighting

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his boy William Skull for the vacant title, you know.

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And then you go on with a bunch of guys

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that you never heard of. Tavel you know, Selja again,

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Steven Nelson, who's why he's number thirteen, is beyond my understanding.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything worthwhile out of any of that

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other than the Billy.

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Speaker 3: So you get you get down to like number twenty.

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You got stargate devron Chenko. I mean, there's the super

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middleweight division. That's what's there.

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Speaker 1: But part, but part of it is he's beaten guys

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over and over and over again at one sixty eight,

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and so this is where we are.

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Speaker 3: Here's another one of the problems, TJ. One of the

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other problems is that so when you have that scenario

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that we just discussed, where there's not a lot of

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stuff going on your division. You look to the division below.

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Is there a top superstar or a big name at

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one sixty that come up to challenge him for the

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one sixty eighth title. That's the common thing that happens. Well,

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you know, Jamal Charlote. Uh yeah, nobody wants to see

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that after the previous situation with the brother Arislandi Laara.

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We're gonna get to that fight, but he already beat

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Lur years ago. I don't think anybody gives a shit

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about a rematch. You know, Hams of Shiraz is a

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young guy fighting in the in the Saudi Arabia shows

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ready for him. Jannebeks a unified champion, but he doesn't

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really bring Canelo anything to the table and has no

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real name or fans. And you know, it's whatever, h

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Carlos a Damas. I mean, these are not These are

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good fighters. I'm not knocking their talents. I mean, janebec

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is an Olympian, He's pretty damn good, but he has

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no He has nothing to offer Canolo in terms of

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either name, recognition, legacy, money, titles. I mean, what is there?

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, Stay tuned, stay tuned off

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the weekend. All right, now let's get to the undercard,

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and I must confess again. I travel to Detroit on

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Saturday afternoon with the with the Buccaneers. I was immersed

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in some college football throughout the afternoon evening. I did

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settle in for what we forewarned. Everybody was more than

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likely going to be.

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Speaker 2: Dull, if not flat out, what are we doing here?

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It's somewhere say it? Yeah? All right, so aras Landy

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Laura did win cra crap.

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Speaker 1: Pola stoppage, which costs both of us on the bet

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Us Show because we both had decision and it ended

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up being a stoppage with the one punch on Danny Garcia.

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I applaud Maro Ronalo on the play by play call,

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and I don't know how much you're aware of this

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because hed you're in the arena working it in Like

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the fourth round, he began to rail on how bad

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the fight was and how neither guy's doing anything, and

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Joe Goosen actually tried to defend it and tried to

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act like, you know, again, differences of opinions are fine.

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He's trying to act like, hey, they're setting each other up.

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This is going to be a long fight, and Marrow's like,

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neither one of them are doing anything, neither one of

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them are throwing punches or attempting to do anything. And

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that continued along in the fifth round, in the sixth round,

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and it was interesting in the corner. And again I'm

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at an advantage in those that were watching.

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Speaker 2: The pay per view.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing the corner audio that you're not hearing unless

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you were somehow plugged in to the PBC on Amazon

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a call of the fight, which I don't know if

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you were on press road.

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Speaker 3: I had my screen on, but I didn't have the

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audio because it was loud toough.

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Speaker 1: Garciina's father a couple of times said what's wrong? Are

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you okay? In the corner, which was an indication of

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you know, he's obviously at the end. He's obviously been inactive.

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He has talked openly and we didn't cover it a

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lot before the fight, about mental health problems, et cetera.

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And he looked off for a lot of the fight,

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not throwing punches. Maybe it's the way we can speculate

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multiple reasons, but there was just nothing to this fight.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Laura lands the big punch and the fight's over

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because the dad in the corner immediately is saying, that's it.

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And he's saying to Thomas Taylor repeatedly, that's it. And

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Thomas Taylor goes, you want me to stop the fight,

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and he said, yes, stop the fight.

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Speaker 3: So there I give I give Angel Angel Garcia credit

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because a lot of times it's the fathers, I'll let

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the fights go too long. But he did the exact

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right thing. Then he had lost every second of every

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round in a horrible, horrible, horrible fight. It put all

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aside of our misery with several more rounds to go.

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But I'm gonna just get to one of the greatest

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tweets I've ever received when I posted about that particular fight.

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I'll give props to a person on Twitter, El Mencho quote,

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whoever decided to match these together as a co of

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a PPV is a terrorist.

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00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: That is a good line. So this was a to

470
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,880
an ad He'll and pour kool aid all over them.

471
00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: As I say, go ahead.

472
00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 3: Yes, this was worse than we expected, and that's hard

473
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,000
to live.

474
00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 2: And we had a low expectation, right, we had no expectations.

475
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 3: It turned to be even worse. I mean, this was

476
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,039
absolutely pathetic. The thing about is if Arislani Lara has

477
00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,119
opponents in front of him like Garcia was, who lets

478
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,559
him fight at his pace, has that like a seven

479
00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:13,240
inch reach advantage, so he was not able Danny to

480
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,119
come close and trying to get inside on Laura, who

481
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,559
does have pretty good punching power. He can fight those

482
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,799
types of fights at that pace and win until he's

483
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:25,640
one hundred. He's forty one years old. He's, by the way,

484
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,400
he is the oldest active world title holder in the

485
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,440
sport currently and that fight took nothing out of him.

486
00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:36,680
You you know, you have to beat Laura, which is

487
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,799
hard to do. You gotta fight in the way Jared

488
00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,839
Hurd did years ago, where it just pressure pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure,

489
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000
and make him just use up whatever's left of those

490
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,039
old legs of his. But Danny Garcia, you know, has

491
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,599
old legs of his own and was not able to

492
00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:50,559
do so. He hadn't fought for two years, you know.

493
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,079
Added he was his best at one hundred and forty pounds,

494
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:56,000
where he was a true great. He was less effective

495
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,079
but still very good at one forty seven, even in

496
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,759
his losses to guys like Sean Porter, and Thurman in

497
00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:04,079
world title fights, gave them tremendous competition, very close fights.

498
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,680
You know, at least one of them probably he should

499
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:05,960
have won.

500
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:06,559
Speaker 2: Uh.

501
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,319
Speaker 3: And then he just had the one doubt at about

502
00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:10,640
one hundred and fifty two pounds against a journeyman in

503
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,160
Jose Benavidez Junior, which is David's brother, where he didn't

504
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,960
really look that good anyway, And then was off for

505
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,160
two years and then comes back and fights Laara for

506
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,799
his middleweight belt. Absolutely terrible fight as a co feature.

507
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,039
Speaker 1: Bowing and whistling all the way from the third round

508
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000
until it finally was stopped on the one punch.

509
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,599
Speaker 3: But I'll say this one thing, Okay, Danny Garcia had

510
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,440
never been stopped in his career. I'm not even sure

511
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,039
if Tom Head, if you ever been knocked down.

512
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: Believe they said it was only the second time he'd

513
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,480
ever been down. Maybe it was the first, you know what,

514
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,440
maybe it was the first. It's all running together for me.

515
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Maybe it was the first he's.

516
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,279
Speaker 3: Got He's always had a good chint and like you know,

517
00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:48,240
he's always given a good effort. He just didn't and

518
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,720
you know what he did to make excuses after the fight.

519
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,559
If you listen to his comments, He's like, look, you know,

520
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,359
I didn't have it. I come off a long laugh.

521
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720
It just wasn't there, So he wasn't making any excuse.

522
00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,680
I respect Danny, I like him. He's a good dude,

523
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,799
and I hope that it's the I hope he got.

524
00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,359
I mean, I'm not saying he has to retire because

525
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,079
he's physically damage and can't you know, do it anymore,

526
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,160
but he clearly can't compete with the top middleweights, doesn't

527
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,839
seem to have the desire to make one hundred and

528
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,559
fifty four, has made great money, has a young family,

529
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,079
he has businesses outside of boxing. He's got a promotional business,

530
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:19,920
he's got a lot of properties he owns, He's involved

531
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,640
with a lot of different things. So in terms of

532
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,480
his finances, he should be just fine. You know, his

533
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,119
time has passed. I mean, it's you know, yep. And

534
00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:32,599
I actually I was thinking about this because I mean,

535
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,920
I'm not emotional about it, but I think about the

536
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,240
the journey and and Danny is a great example. When

537
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:43,240
I think in my own time of covering boxing, I

538
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,759
remember meeting Danny Garcia as a young prospect. I covered

539
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,440
his professional debut covered him on the way up, a

540
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,400
ton of fights as a prospect, a ton of fights

541
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,480
as a contender. I was there when he won the

542
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,039
title against Eric Morales. I covered, you know, when he

543
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,279
was in big headlining fights against guys like I mentioned

544
00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,839
Sean Porter and uh and uh and and Thurman before that,

545
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,000
the big fight against Lucas Matisse, and then he had

546
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,960
fights against Lama Peterson, you know, headlining at Barclay Center,

547
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:08,720
zab Judah and fights like that. And so I covered

548
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,279
all these big Danny Garcia fights. Then you kind of

549
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:12,880
see him on the backside a little bit after he

550
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,759
lost some of those fights, then the long ley, after

551
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:16,480
the comeback, and then to be there again last night

552
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,480
what would potentially be the final fight, Like that's kind

553
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,319
of to me. It's like, that's the way the book goes.

554
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,680
That's you start the book and you get to the

555
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:25,400
end of the dead line, and that was the last chapter.

556
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,839
I'm not sure what's left after that. So I've seen

557
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,920
the entire trajectory of Danny Garcia's career up close, and uh,

558
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,160
you know, the man in the ring on Saturday night

559
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,119
just had absolutely.

560
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: And let's say it again, I know he won, he

561
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,480
got his hand raised. They're calling it the WBA middleweight title.

562
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,039
Aras Landy Laura didn't show a whole lot of anything

563
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,319
either that he has a whole lot left. He was

564
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,799
just better than the other guy who showed nothing in

565
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,640
the ring on Saturday Night. Awful fight, Okay, I have

566
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,240
to confess the rest of the undercard. I am aware

567
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,599
that Caleb Plant got knocked down by Trevor mccumby and

568
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,960
then got off the deck and eventually stopped him. Am

569
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,759
I to say that was the most dramatic? Is it

570
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,079
safe to say that's the most dramatic of any of

571
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,039
the fights on the card, including the Canello that had drama?

572
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,079
Speaker 3: Did it know?

573
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: It was about the rest of the other card?

574
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,799
Speaker 3: No, it was a very good fight. I mean, you

575
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,920
speak about the knockdown, it was, I mean, yeah, it

576
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,640
was a legiti knockdown. He got punched with a punch

577
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,079
and he went down to the canvas. But it wasn't

578
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,039
the kind of punch that would normally knock a guy down.

579
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,640
He literally got punched on the shoulder and he got

580
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,000
and he got dropped. I don't know if you know what

581
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,680
what got up.

582
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,519
Speaker 1: And he told I saw on the replay. He told

583
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,039
the referee hit my shoulder, but then he shook his head.

584
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,480
He nodded, yes, I understand I got knocked down off

585
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:32,920
the shoulder.

586
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,519
Speaker 3: I guess, well, yeah, I mean know, a shoulder punch

587
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,160
is still it's about it's illegal. It's a legal scoring air.

588
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,480
If you get punched anywhere, that's a legal scoring air,

589
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:41,160
and you hit the canvas, that's a knockdown. I mean,

590
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,960
but it wasn't like, you know, he was in a

591
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,480
in dire straits or he's about to get stopped, or

592
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720
he's hurt, or he's you know, in bad trouble. You know,

593
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,200
it literally was punched on the shoulder. Trevor mccomby's a

594
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,000
heavy handed guy. I mean, he's got a lot of knockouts.

595
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,039
Even though he never fought anybody. This was a chance

596
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:55,480
for him to show what he could do against a

597
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,559
cop guy. And you know, he may not have won

598
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,559
the fight, but he showed a lot of determination. He

599
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,119
showed a lot of heart, he showed a lot of grit.

600
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,920
He made you know, he was entertaining. So in terms

601
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,079
of the Trevor McCombe future, I say this about lots

602
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,039
of fighters through the years. He was twenty eight, and

603
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,319
oh going into this fight against twenty eight, nobody's and

604
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,279
nobody knew about him or gave dam about him. Now

605
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:14,480
you go in the ring, you fight a good fight

606
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:16,759
against Kayleb Plant, who's a well known guy in a world,

607
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,720
you know, former champion and you know, has some notoriety,

608
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:21,480
is one of the best super midtwights in the division.

609
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,079
And even if you lose, he probably gained more notoriety

610
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,839
and fans in that one fight that went a nine

611
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,799
rounds against Caleb Plinth than he did in his entire

612
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:34,039
twenty eight fight career prior to that fight. So for McCombe, again,

613
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,000
similar to what we discussed in the main event in

614
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,319
terms of Edgar Berlanga, if there's such thing as a

615
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,359
good loss, McCombe got that on Saturday, because, you know what,

616
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,880
people are gonna want to see him again. He still

617
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,359
has a great record. He put up a hell of

618
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,839
a performance against Plant in a fight that was competitive,

619
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,920
and you know, but Kayleb Plant, you know, Caleb is

620
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,039
still pretty damn good. I mean, I don't think he

621
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:54,839
would beat a Canelo in a rematch, and I'm not

622
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,279
sure he's gonna, you know, beat you know a few

623
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,359
other guys perhaps, but he's gonna compete with all them.

624
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,480
The one thing I was really impressed by by Kayleb Plant,

625
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:04,960
who I've won watching his entire career. When he was

626
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,279
coming up, he occasionally we get a nice knock up,

627
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,039
but his game was, let me box you from the outside.

628
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,799
I've got good skills, I got a stiff jab, and

629
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,960
I can really work you around the ring and win

630
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,440
on points. Last night, when he needed to, he bit

631
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,799
down and he became an inside fighter. He crowded McCombe

632
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,759
into the corner, he crowded him on the roads. He

633
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,519
threw a tremendous amount of real short inside body shots

634
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,039
that were doing damage. He had a beautiful little uppercut

635
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,319
that kept connecting on mccomby. I mean, he really changed

636
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,480
his style. He he was like, I'm not going to

637
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:35,839
be able to do this from the outside. Let me

638
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,240
get right in his fucking kitchen and take care of business.

639
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,559
And that's what he did. Those uppercrts were just rocking

640
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,319
mccumby's head around, and eventually, you know, his eyes were more.

641
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: Experienced, oh more better talented fighter, and he and to

642
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:49,880
his credit, he got the win.

643
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: His face was getting marked up, and you know, eventually

644
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,079
you could just see like like mccumby's face becoming like this,

645
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,759
you know, deformed to some degree as he kept hitting

646
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,480
them with the punches. The right hand was very effective,

647
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:05,079
and you know he ended up getting the stoppage. It

648
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,400
was you know, it was it was a It was

649
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,400
a It was the best fight on the card of

650
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,960
the undercard in terms of entertainment value. It Plant was

651
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,359
able to bounce back. You know, remember he had come

652
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,160
into the fight, uh, you know, forgivable losses fair enough,

653
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,039
but he was one and two in his previous two fights.

654
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,799
He had lost in a tremendous battle, but ultimately one

655
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,079
sided at the second half of the fight against Benavidez.

656
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,480
That was back in March of twenty twenty three, so

657
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:29,920
he was coming off a year and a half layoff.

658
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,599
Prior to that, he had that memorable knockout against Anthony

659
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Durell where he you know, didn't exactly show himself with

660
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240
a class when he pretended to dig the grave. And

661
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,559
then the fight before that in twenty one, that's when

662
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,599
he got knocked out by Canelo when they were fighting

663
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,680
for the undisputed title. I found it kind of funny,

664
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,559
by the way that on this card he had two

665
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,960
former Canelo victims on the undercard in their own significant fights.

666
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Kleb Plant in this fight, winning the uh for whatever reason,

667
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,599
the vacant interim WBA super middleweight title, and yet Arisoni Lara,

668
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,359
another long ago Canelo victim in the middleweight title defense.

669
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,759
But Kayleb Plant look forward to seeing him back. There's

670
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,680
some action out there. You mentioned, like we talked about

671
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,519
maybe burlanging down the road. Him and Monkey would be

672
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,599
a great fight, And I think mcumby's gonna get some

673
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,200
fights out of this also, you know, dust him off

674
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,440
and he can be in he can be in the

675
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,599
mix with any of these guys like Trigger McCombe. I'm

676
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960
I'm just thinking of this as we're as we're discussing this,

677
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,319
you know, in a fighter too, when he's back in

678
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:23,880
the groove like him and Pacheco would be a good

679
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,000
fight as they continue to look for Pacheco to you know,

680
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,559
step up and face better guys. So that was the

681
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,079
kind of fight where both guys growing stature, both guys

682
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,759
will get better fights off of it. And it was

683
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,000
a turnout to be an excellent fight, and I was

684
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
really impressed with with Kayleb Plant more so than I

685
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,200
may have been in other fights. You know, he really

686
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,559
showed something and what I liked about it, As I mentioned,

687
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,480
he was able to change his game a little bit.

688
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
He was able to adjust and do what he had

689
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,680
to do make him a well rounded fighter. I think

690
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,960
a lot of that. You got to give credit to

691
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,599
Steven Bredman Edwards, who's been his trainer now for the

692
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,359
last couple of fights. They've seemed to be hit it off.

693
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,400
And you know, Steven's a good a good trainer and

694
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,799
a good teacher and Kayleb was a good student, and

695
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,880
it's seems to work. It seems to be working very well.

696
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: For them, all right.

697
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Uh and there was again, was there any redeeming value

698
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:09,799
to Roly Romero's win and also Steven Fulton both won

699
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,119
on the undercard You were getting strollered in for the night.

700
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,079
Did you pay a whole lot of attention to these

701
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,799
you were choking about the Romero fight might be where

702
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,160
you would take the bathroom break.

703
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,319
Speaker 3: I mean I watched the fight, obviously, I was there

704
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,599
to cover the fight. So Rolo Romero, who have never

705
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400
been a huge fan of he does come off the

706
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680
the you know, the one sided loss and the ass

707
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,160
kicking that cost him his title back in March against

708
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,119
Pitt Pulkers, where he got stopped in the eighth round

709
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,440
of a you know, a one sided fight. Here he

710
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,319
fights manuel A Jaimes, who really didn't look to be

711
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,920
much of anything, and Roley did what Roley does. You know?

712
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,160
He threw enough right hands, enough jabs. Uh, clearly the

713
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,880
better fighter kept him off balance. Wasn't particularly didn't. I

714
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,559
didn't think. I don't think he shined in the fight.

715
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,680
But he did exactly what he needed to do. He

716
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:57,039
clearly was the winner. It was another boring fight, typical Rollie,

717
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,599
you know, talks a big game outside the ring and

718
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,000
then the delivers very little in the ring. But the

719
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,920
scores were right on the money. All three judges had

720
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,880
it ninety nine to ninety one, nine rounds to one.

721
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:08,519
And the less set on that fight, the better. The

722
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,200
question I have, though, is now what he'd do with

723
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,039
Roly Romero. I mean, you're gonna get him a title

724
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,599
shot off that. I mean, I have no idea what

725
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:15,279
they're gonna do it.

726
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: If you have no idea and you don't have much interest.

727
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:19,200
Let's move on Stephen Fulton.

728
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: Well, now this was this was the final fight of

729
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960
the preliminaries that were free on Prime, and this was

730
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,799
an excellent fight. I kind of we talked about it

731
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:28,640
in the lead up. I thought this would be a

732
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,079
good fight. It turned out to be a good fight.

733
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,119
I thought Fulton was taken on, you know, to his credit,

734
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,079
moving up from the junior featherweight division, coming off the

735
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,039
long layoff after he got knocked out by in a

736
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,279
way that cost him his two titles. He's moved up.

737
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,279
He had changed trainers and they weren't taken just just

738
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,400
a nobody. I mean, I'm not saying that Cashrow was,

739
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880
you know, a top top contender, but he's a very

740
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,160
solid fighter. His losses have only come against the top guys.

741
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,160
You know, he had lost, like, for example, to Luisnary,

742
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,359
but he's pretty damn good. I mean he had he'd

743
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:00,359
been on a little bit of a winning streak, and

744
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,039
the losses, like I said, I forgive well, you know,

745
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,680
I got a split decision loss against Neary in twenty

746
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,359
twenty three, twenty twenty two. His next fight, he got

747
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,279
stopped by Brandon Figueroa. I believe that was an eliminator

748
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,359
fight in later in twenty twenty two. He had won

749
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,839
three fights since then, and Fulton is no easy easy opponent.

750
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,720
But here's the thing. I thought Cashro won the fight. Now,

751
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,200
in the end, the judges had a split decision. One

752
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,279
judge had it for Cashrow ninety five to ninety four,

753
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,680
and then the two other judges had it ninety five

754
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,799
to ninety four and ninety six to ninety three in

755
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,160
favor of Fulton, who got knocked down, who I thought

756
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,839
was getting beat up the first few rounds of the

757
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:37,440
fight and then got then had the knockdown that happened

758
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,119
and he was down in the fifth round. That was

759
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,319
a very one sided round. I thought Ksher won a

760
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,759
couple of the later rounds. So you know, I'm not

761
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,599
saying it was Oh I'm not saying Casho should have

762
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:46,960
won the fight, like you know, eight rounds to one

763
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:49,799
or eight rounds of two rather, But I thought that Cashow,

764
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,119
the combination of his big start the knockdown in a

765
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,480
decent finish, did enough to win the fight. Now Fulton, certainly,

766
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,440
I felt like it was the winner of the tenth

767
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,440
and the ninth rounds where he did very well, but

768
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:01,839
I didn't think that was enough to give him the

769
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,960
victory he got it. I'm not going to sit here,

770
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:05,960
you know, bitching won and say it's some kind of

771
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,039
major controversy. You know, I can totally I understand it.

772
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:12,920
I just didn't agree with it. But uh, Fulton is

773
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,680
in an interesting position because I think that it was

774
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,480
not a great performance. Yea, he was shaking up the

775
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:18,920
RUSS and you have to take that into account. You

776
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,559
take into account he's with a new trainer. You taking

777
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,279
a new account that he's moving up. And wait, but

778
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,680
I think there's gonna be a lot of guys in

779
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,279
the featherweight division. I might look at that and say,

780
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:27,839
you know what, I'll tay, I'll fight that guy. He's

781
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,759
got a good name, he's a former champion one twenty

782
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,920
two and you know he looks beatable. So you know,

783
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,680
it's gonna be up to Fulton to prove that he

784
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,519
is a serious candidate to win a you know, win

785
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,640
a title in the featherweight division, which is what he

786
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,200
wants to do. And they'll be good, you know, if

787
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,359
they can do cross promotion fights, like if he can

788
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,839
work with a top rankor PBC can work with some

789
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,680
of these other promoters on these fights. I'll tell you what,

790
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Stephen Fulton will be in demand and should be able

791
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,039
to get some nice fights.

792
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,079
Speaker 2: All right, So good stuff.

793
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,119
Speaker 1: You were there in the arena and again you've traveled

794
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,359
back and we're doing the whole recap podcast. Let's get

795
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,960
some news, Let's get some nostalgia. Juan Francisco Estrada, we

796
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160
were looking at the possibility of him finding Jesse Bam

797
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:14,280
Rodriguez to rematch for the WBC one and fifteen pound title.

798
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: That is now not going to happen.

799
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: We did touch on this a little bit on the

800
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,719
bet Us show on Friday, but for our audience here,

801
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000
so that fight's not happening. It's a little disappointing here

802
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,079
in that regard, But what else, what else off of this?

803
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not I'm personally not disappointed. I mean,

804
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,119
it was a pretty definitive victory back when they fought

805
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,400
the first fight back in June where Bam won the title,

806
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,639
and because one Francisco Estrada was the champion and it

807
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,119
wasn't a mandatory fight, he had the right to a

808
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,400
rematch in their contract. It was said to me in

809
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,400
the aftermath that he had vote he had invoked that

810
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,400
right to the rematch, and since then has then changed

811
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,840
his mind. That Room Boxing was making the plans for

812
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,719
December to go forward and do the rematch, but I

813
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960
guess he or his team informed them that that was

814
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,719
not the case, that he had changed his mind. He

815
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,159
didn't want to do the rematch, and he's going to

816
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,119
move up to the Banda Waite division. And what that

817
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,599
does is it will give you know, a Strata a

818
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,079
chance to, if he can find the right fight, go

819
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,000
for a title in a third way class. And in

820
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,039
terms of Rodriguez, he'll fight that. The Natal is still

821
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:12,719
looking to try to do a fight for him in

822
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,800
the month of December. The question now is who does

823
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,000
it come against. It's not going to be against this Strata.

824
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,280
I mean when he beat a Strata, there was a

825
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,159
lot of conversation, you know, would he fight Roman Gonzalez.

826
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,920
I remember Roman Gonzalez had come back in the summer

827
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,400
also and won his first fight since he lost in

828
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,039
the rubber match against Estrada, and there was a whole

829
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,440
discussion about, well, you know, mister Honda, who works with

830
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,119
both of them, might not want to match them together.

831
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,159
You know, we'll see if that actually becomes a thing again.

832
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,559
I'm sure Roman, for the money and for the opportunity,

833
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,480
would take it. You know, Bam made it made the

834
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,840
point that he would also even though they're friendly, they've

835
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,679
sparred together. You know, they've been you know, like mentor

836
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,599
student type of relationship. That'll be a mister Honda call

837
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,199
to be honest if that happens. If it doesn't happen.

838
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,000
The name I heard while I was in Vegas from

839
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,760
some people that were there, members Edie Hern and matchroom

840
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,079
folks were there because they had Berlanga. One of the

841
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,599
names that came up was Pedro Givara, who was the

842
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,199
interim champion who had won that belt during the WBC convention.

843
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,800
That could be a possibility. You know, we'll see if

844
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,519
they actually do that, and then it would you know,

845
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:16,360
that would that would be a fight where you figure

846
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,199
that Bam would be a pretty big favorite, but it

847
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,480
would you know, allow him to fight again at the

848
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,639
end of this year and then keep him in line

849
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,880
for the bigger fight, whoever that may be against. Like

850
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
I love the Nakatani fight, for example.

851
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: But you keep saying that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

852
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: If it happens at all, you never say never. But

853
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,719
the point is if you're if you're if you're looking

854
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,480
for an opponent, that that there's a reason for the

855
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,079
fight for whatever. Uh the date is going to be,

856
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,599
and he's still planning to fight in December. The Guavar

857
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,639
fight made sense because he is the WB's interim title

858
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,639
holder in that weight class. Uh, it's probably a pretty

859
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,719
makeable fight. And Wavar is not a bump. I mean,

860
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,719
he may not be a superstar name like you know

861
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Estrada or Roman Gonzalaz, but he's been a champion in

862
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
the smaller weight class and uh, you know, he looked

863
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
pretty solid when he won that interim title. So again

864
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,039
that's you know, I'm just shooting that out there. Is

865
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:04,719
what I heard is like one name that was broached

866
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,760
as a possibility. We'll see what happens. I mean.

867
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

868
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 3: One thing that you have to know though is Bam

869
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:11,239
is the A side and he's the guy that draws

870
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,559
a lot of fans, a lot of attention, and he's

871
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,119
gonna fight. He's not gonna just because the guy he

872
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,039
just knocked out turned down the rematch, not like he's

873
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:18,400
gonna put his career on hold. He'll be back in

874
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,559
the ring and I look forward to it, all right.

875
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,679
Speaker 1: A couple of other news items. Tea Fimo Lopez was

876
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,480
around and was at the Canelo Berlanga way in calling

877
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,840
out what Jervonte Davis, Terence Crawford, anybody else was he

878
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,639
going after the Easter Bunny, anybody else that Fimo wants

879
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:37,000
to fight?

880
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:37,559
Speaker 2: What's up?

881
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: Well, tia Fimo is there around fight week because he's

882
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,119
been working in the gym with Eddie Renoso, you know,

883
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,199
as with with with his father. You know, obviously Tiafimo

884
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Senior is his father, that's his father. He's the trainer.

885
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,960
But they're they're open minded to go and see what

886
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,159
they can maybe you know, glean from somebody else and

887
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,360
maybe do uh, you know, bringing up different voice. So

888
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,559
they've been doing similar training with Eddie Renoso. So he's

889
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,480
been around Canelo. They posted some social media pictures of

890
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,440
tia Fimo with Canelo and for putting aside who Ti

891
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,920
Fimo may fight in the future. I think that's a

892
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,800
good thing because if you're gonna go spend some time

893
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
in that gym. Renoso a is a good trainer obviously,

894
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,079
and b he's got a lot of good fighters that

895
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,920
are in and around his gym, so that can only

896
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,599
help in terms of t FEMO, even if it's just

897
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,559
for a little while to get a fresh look at things.

898
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,519
I'm not I don't know if if the plan is

899
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,280
to have Renoso involved with the next fight in terms

900
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,719
of literally when they go fight, or they'll obviously just

901
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,639
you know, have the normal set up with the father,

902
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,519
but to do a little bit of extra that can't hurt.

903
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,280
But anyway, while he was there, you know, in support

904
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,800
of Canelo and his team for the fight against Berlanga,

905
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:43,079
he spoke to some media people and he was talking

906
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,119
to folks at the way in they did the ceremony

907
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,280
away in on Friday afternoon. He was like, you said,

908
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:49,960
he's not fighting the rest of this year. That was

909
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,760
his choice. I mean, he could have had the date

910
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,039
on September twenty seventh, then he could have been fighting

911
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,159
Brian Norman for the WBO welterweight title. That was his

912
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,199
choice to turn down. It wasn't like he was to

913
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,960
fight Brian Normany. He just decided he wasn't gonna fight

914
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,039
the rest of the year. I don't really know what

915
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,239
the what the particular reasons were. I don't think he

916
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,920
has any kind of injuries or anything like that, so

917
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,079
with the Heck knows, but he was calling out bigger names.

918
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,440
He wants to fight Tank Davis. That would be a

919
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,400
tremendous fight, by the way, because they're both bigger names,

920
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,440
they both have championship level, you know, accomplishment. It would

921
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,360
be Tank with an opportunity to go up and fight

922
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,159
for the lineal and one of the belts at won

923
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,199
forty against the guy that used to be the full

924
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,039
you know, the real champ at one hundred and thirty five.

925
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

926
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,559
Speaker 3: And they both would talk a lot and it's a

927
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:34,880
very interesting fight. Uh. And then a much lesser possibility

928
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,119
was him calling out Terrence Crawford, who you know, obviously

929
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:39,960
t FIMO was the one hundred and forty pound champion, but

930
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,559
Crawford now is at one fifty four. T FIMO has

931
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:44,599
never even fought at one forty seven, you know. And

932
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,679
I can guarantee you that even if Terrence Crawford had

933
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,599
interest in that fight, which I doubt he does, he

934
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,880
sures Heck isn't gonna come back to one forty seven

935
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,960
to fight t Fimo Lopez in a non title fight.

936
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:57,079
So that's you know, I can appreciate his desires. Uh,

937
00:39:57,639 --> 00:39:59,039
it's easy to call out the big names when you

938
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,800
know there's no chance to it's gonna happen. Tank take

939
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Tank may Actually, you know, if they can get their

940
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,880
shit together, it wouldn't be an outlandish proposition. I mean,

941
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,440
remember they were working on uh doing uh you know

942
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:14,480
tia Fimo. Uh. They they had talked about other fights

943
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,400
where he could have potentially been involved in. So I

944
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,320
don't see why they can't talk about a Tank fight.

945
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: Who.

946
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: By the way, you know, if he does fight at

947
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,039
the end of this year in December, it's not like

948
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:25,480
there's some clear cut opponent from I know that the

949
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,599
Jose allenswell and name has come up. But no disrespect

950
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:30,559
to Jose Allen Zuella. But in my opinion, a ta

951
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,159
Femo Lopez from a commercial standpoint and from a legacy

952
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,760
standpoints a much bigger deal. We'll see what happens with

953
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,159
that though, but it's good to see TV talking about

954
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,280
getting back in the ring instead of I'd rather see

955
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,480
him fight at the end of the year than talk

956
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,960
about fighting. But at least he's still interested to get

957
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,559
back in there and take on a big name.

958
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,679
Speaker 2: We shall see.

959
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,039
Speaker 1: Matt s Troom did make an announcement by the way,

960
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,960
with former ib IBF flyweight champion, right Sonny Edwards and

961
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,960
his fellow countryman Galia Phi.

962
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,639
Speaker 2: When are they fighting? What's up with this?

963
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: This is a this is a good fun fight in

964
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,440
my mind. This was the fight will take place on

965
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,519
the Zone broadcast that match from Boxing will do on

966
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,559
November thirtieth. It will take place in Birmingham, England, which

967
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,480
is FIE's hometown. And this is a fight that's been

968
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:17,239
talked about since back in the spring. You know, Sonny

969
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,840
Edwards had come back. He had obviously he had taken

970
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,039
the loss to Bam Rodriguez and their unification fight, but

971
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,000
they needed to sort of like, you know, dust them

972
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,519
off a little bit. He was able to do that,

973
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:32,000
and you Fi was the twenty twenty British Olympic gold medalist.

974
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,880
He's only got a handful of pro fights, he's only

975
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,480
seven to no. But he's thirty. You know what is

976
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,320
he thirty something years old, already thirty one years old.

977
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,400
He's on the fast track and he's ready to fight

978
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,960
these bigger names. You know, when you're in that weight

979
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:47,280
class that are so small and you are of that

980
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,519
age and you turn pro as late as he did,

981
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,639
you know, you're not going to mess around for years

982
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,480
of just doing regular fights. It's time to get on

983
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,239
with it. So these guys have a history together. Edwards

984
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,639
defeated him in the amateur ranks. They have some they've

985
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,239
been sure with each other. So if you like flyweights,

986
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,440
this is a really good fight for the British boxing scene. Uh,

987
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,639
you know, there'll be a lot of talking. It should

988
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,320
be a pretty decent fight. You FI is aggressive, you know,

989
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,840
and uh we've seen Sonny. Uh the the fight with

990
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,159
us Shrada was entertaining. Sometimes sometimes Sonny's infights there maybe

991
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,239
a little bit more slower pace, a little more technical,

992
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,360
but the kind of aggression that you Fi has, you

993
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,920
gotta figure he's gonna try to get him out of

994
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,239
that game, make him fight back, you know, a bit more.

995
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,360
And when Edwards lost the fight, he came back. You know,

996
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,880
he did a pretty good job, you know in his

997
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,079
comeback fight. Again was he hoody fight Kerio? I guess

998
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,800
so that was that was pretty solid.

999
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,159
Speaker 2: After benam Rodriguez brutalized him.

1000
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,679
Speaker 3: Right yeah, no doubt about it. So this was a

1001
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,880
fight that sort of came up and went. After that loss. Uh,

1002
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,519
Edwards had done a new contract with mattrom and match

1003
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,400
was also the promoter of You Find. They're looking to

1004
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,199
get him in sort of a mix of a of

1005
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:55,960
a bigger name fight, and so yeah, this is a

1006
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,800
this is a nice fight. I mean, Uh, as flyweight

1007
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,960
matchups go, I mean, there's not maybe a ton of

1008
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,760
them to be super pumped up about at the moment,

1009
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,679
but this one, this one should be. I mean, it's

1010
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,119
for certainly the hardcore folks. I mean, I guess if

1011
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,519
you're listening to our podcast, you're probably a hardcore fan.

1012
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,719
But this is an interesting matchup in my mind. Right

1013
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,039
by the way, if I taken a I know he's

1014
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,159
got the accolades from his amateur days, but he's still

1015
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,159
taking a big step up going from seven to zero

1016
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:24,280
from the types of guys he's been fighting to fighting

1017
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,760
an experienced, veteran former champ you know who still can

1018
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,000
fight a bit in Sonny Edwards.

1019
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,559
Speaker 2: No doubt.

1020
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: All Right, We've talked a lot about Canelo Alvarez on

1021
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,320
this podcast, and as we go to the nostalgia Mexican

1022
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,280
Independence Day weekend has been a weekend in which he

1023
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,079
has headlined repeatedly in Vegas against several different fighters, including

1024
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,480
not one, not two, but thrice against Triple G, Gonnati Glovekin.

1025
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: And you were there for all of these.

1026
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,159
Speaker 1: The first one, September sixteenth, twenty seventeen, is the draw,

1027
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,119
the controversial draw, and then the following year, almost to

1028
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,760
the day, which is six years ago today Sunday, he

1029
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,760
won the rematch. This was after the controversy right of

1030
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,000
testing positive for the banned substance and they had to

1031
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:18,360
wait and blah blah blah. And then the long awaited

1032
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,639
third fight is also right around the same time. The

1033
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,719
anniversary is Tuesday in twenty twenty two, two years ago.

1034
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,320
And you were right there again for Canelo beating the

1035
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,360
Triple G and what was not a tremendous fight. Canelo

1036
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,400
had a hand injury that he revealed after the fight.

1037
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:37,480
All right, So you're as qualified as anybody to talk

1038
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:41,039
this trilogy. Tell me more about when you reflect on it,

1039
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:42,880
about Canelo and these three fights with Triple G.

1040
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: First of all, it's a highly unusual fact for there

1041
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,079
to be a trilogy that took place on the same weekend.

1042
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,320
All three fights to Mexican Inpenn's Day weekend, one on

1043
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,000
the fifteenth, one on the sixteenth, one on the seventeenth,

1044
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,039
All three to take place inside the same building. All

1045
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,559
three events were at the Tmobile Arena. I guess the

1046
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,320
main difference is at the first two of these fights

1047
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,960
were in middleweight.

1048
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,079
Speaker 1: Let me stop you off the top of your head.

1049
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:11,079
Can you think of another important prominent trilogy where all

1050
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,000
three fights were virtually the same weekend of the year

1051
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:18,079
at the same place. It would be a real challenge homework.

1052
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: Uh wow, Like Gaddy Ward for example, second fight and

1053
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,000
third fight were at Boardwalk Call, but the first fight

1054
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:28,800
was in Connecticut at the Mohican Son Bre Morales they

1055
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,039
had three three fights, but one was at Mandalay Bay

1056
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:32,039
and tour at the MGM.

1057
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,119
Speaker 1: So they were all in Vegas, but they weren't the

1058
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:38,199
same weekend of the year September, you know.

1059
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: Mid Morales and Pacio fought, you know, three times in Vegas,

1060
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,320
but they had them at different locations. You know, one

1061
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,039
was at the Thomas and Max Center. I think one

1062
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:48,440
was at the MGM. I forget where the other maybe

1063
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,039
two at them.

1064
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: And Fraser fight the two fights at Madison Square Garden

1065
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:54,760
different months of the year, and.

1066
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: The three flights at Manila the Folcade. So it's a

1067
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,039
great point.

1068
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,079
Speaker 3: So that's a that's a really quirky kind of thing.

1069
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,039
Just goes to show you the devotion that Canello has

1070
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,000
to fighting on that date when he can do so.

1071
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,239
But in terms of the overall trilogy, to me anyway

1072
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400
right now, it's like the last great trilogy we've seen

1073
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,960
in boxing. I mean, there's there's trilogies that happened, but

1074
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,119
this was as big as it gets. I mean, this

1075
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,159
was a much demanded fight the first time around. It

1076
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,000
irritates when people say that Canelo aged triple g out.

1077
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:26,280
You know, did the fight happen exactly when everybody wanted it? No,

1078
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,320
But it wasn't like outlandish. It was like about a

1079
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,800
you know, maybe about a year later, when Canelo had

1080
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,079
never fought in the middleweight division. Glofkin was still the

1081
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,360
top dog, was still knocking everybody out, was still at

1082
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,320
the top of his game in my opinion, and still superb,

1083
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,400
and they went in there and they had the first fight.

1084
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,079
I think the first fight is the best of the

1085
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,199
three in terms of the action, although the second fight

1086
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,920
was pretty damn good also, and this was the one

1087
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,800
that's going to stick in the craw for Galofkin for

1088
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,920
the rest of his life and for a lot of

1089
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,159
people like that that were supporters of Gloff and are

1090
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:58,480
just like to see the right thing happen, because I

1091
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:01,079
think the way that Triple G's career is viewed is

1092
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,480
turns largely on what occurred in this fight, because it

1093
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,000
turned out to be a split draw, but the vast

1094
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,079
majority of fans and media thought that it was him

1095
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,920
that deserve the winner, even even Oscar de la Hoya,

1096
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,920
it was Canelo's promoter at the time, you know, thought

1097
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,400
it was laughable that they gave the score to one

1098
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,239
of the scores to Canelo. By the way that they did,

1099
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,639
I think what this one judge had Canelo winning one

1100
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,239
eighteen to one ten. That's ridiculous. Now, the other judge,

1101
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,840
Dave Moretti, who's been a championship, top level judge for years,

1102
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,800
had at one fifteen to one thirteen in favor of Canelo.

1103
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,159
That seemed about right. And then Don Trella, also very experienced,

1104
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,159
at one fourteen to one fourteen, but Adelaide BYRD rendered

1105
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:41,960
a shit scorecard. From top to bottom. And like I said,

1106
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,199
even I can still remember them at the press cards,

1107
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,760
you know, even they were like, oh, you know, we

1108
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,320
don't think it was quite that way. We thought our

1109
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,840
guy won the fight, but it wasn't ten rounds to two.

1110
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,880
It was a tremendous fight, and if Gloffkin had got

1111
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,239
his hand raised, the way that he legacy is perceived

1112
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,960
would be vastly improved and different. But he goes down

1113
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:01,880
as a draw. He got the immediate rematch, and this

1114
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,719
is the fucked up thing. They go and do the

1115
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,599
rematch and that's another good fight also for the middlewhite championship,

1116
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,599
and Canelo wins a majority decision, another very close fight.

1117
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,320
That was the fight that I thought, and many other

1118
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,039
people that I was there covering the fight with, we

1119
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:16,840
had a lot of us had that fight a draw.

1120
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,000
That was the legit draw. Triple G should have got

1121
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:21,719
the win in the first fight. The second fight should

1122
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,199
have been the draw fight, and then the third fight,

1123
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,840
which was now up at super middleweight where Canelo was

1124
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,800
the underspeeded champion. Ganati was on, you know, on his

1125
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,679
last legs pretty much. Although he had come off a

1126
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,920
nice win in his previous fight, he had waited a

1127
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480
long time because they kept getting postponed for different reasons,

1128
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,239
some COVID related, But he ultimately went to Japan and

1129
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,320
had a unification fight against Royota Morata. He looked good

1130
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,800
in that fight, knocked him out, and then they made

1131
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,880
the rematch and he went up to challenge for the

1132
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,840
sixty eight pound titles and he lost. And when the

1133
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,519
press conference happened, he says, you know what, I'm gonna

1134
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,159
go back to middleweight. Remember he was still the unified

1135
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,320
middlewait champ at the time, and then eventually he gave

1136
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,920
up those belts. When then mandatories came up, he just

1137
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:02,639
was not prepared to go forward to doing it. In fact,

1138
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,840
one of them would have been against Arizloni Lara, which

1139
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,239
is how Lara got the title because Triple G vacated

1140
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,119
and Lara became from the regular champ to the regular

1141
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:14,320
to the only champ of the WBA and Andngalofkin. It

1142
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,800
hasn't fought since, and you know, he's never a formally

1143
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,719
announced his retirement, but it obviously feels like he's retired.

1144
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:24,920
But the legacy of the Triple G Canelo trilogy is

1145
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,079
I believe, like I said, the last great trilogy we

1146
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,000
have seen in boxing. Now there'll be other great trilogies

1147
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:33,039
to follow, for sure. The thing that always makes me

1148
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:35,639
sad when I think about the trilogy is that the

1149
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,599
second fight was a mega pay per view fight at

1150
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:42,199
Team Obile Arena. Also, like we said, the last HBO

1151
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,960
pay per view fight, because it was a couple of

1152
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,760
weeks after they did this fight. Remember, the whole boxing

1153
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,639
world gathers in Vegas for this mega fight, and it

1154
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,840
was only a few weeks after that HBO announced that

1155
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,119
it was finished with boxing. And that was a devastating

1156
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,239
thing for all of us who love boxing because they

1157
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,159
no one ever did it better than HBO Sports. Uh

1158
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,599
and so that was bittersweet. And uh, you know, so

1159
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,440
I always I'll just remember that was the last pay

1160
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,519
per view there. Uh, And that's to me anyway. I

1161
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:11,599
know we've seen big fights happen since that. We've seen

1162
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:14,239
like Lusik and Fury, we've seen that the fights, the

1163
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,559
rematch between Wilder and Fury and the third fight and

1164
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,320
other you know, big time matchups. But unless I'm forgetting

1165
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,880
something for my in my mind, the last real mega

1166
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,239
fight in boxing, true mega fight in the United States

1167
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,119
in Vegas on HBO pay per view, big, big fucking deal,

1168
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,440
even bigger than like Spencon Crawford and which was, you know,

1169
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,719
a truly big fight, or even Tank and Ryan that

1170
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,920
wasn't even for a title. But the last really big,

1171
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,920
super mega fight in the United States that the world

1172
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,599
was focused on in Vegas was the remastering in Glufkin,

1173
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,920
and you know, that was a huge, huge, huge fight.

1174
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: You could maybe argue that the third Fury Wilder fight

1175
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:05,199
was compelling, but I would agree with you because we've

1176
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:09,800
we've now come to understand that Tyson Fury dominated all

1177
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,480
three of those fights, and there's not really much dispute

1178
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,920
he was that much better.

1179
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,559
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this that.

1180
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: I don't agree did that because I thought Deana Wilder

1181
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,400
won the first fight.

1182
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:20,679
Speaker 1: Maybe well, I don't know, but I mean, there were

1183
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,239
a lot of people that believe that that Tyson Fury

1184
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,960
won eight or nine of the rounds in the first fight.

1185
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: That if you get dropped on your ass twice, almost

1186
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,519
knocked the funk out, you didn't dominate.

1187
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: I understand, But you're also the first one to preach

1188
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,400
those are individual rounds. There's ten other rounds, so I'm

1189
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,239
gonna come back at you with your own I understand.

1190
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,639
I'm saying, let me finish. The overall point is Fury

1191
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,360
bombed him out in the other two fights. There's no

1192
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,920
doubt in disputing that. In this these were three two

1193
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,880
very competitive fights that could have gone either way. And

1194
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,440
then the third one is kind of because Canelo again

1195
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,440
had an injured hand that was in it.

1196
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: But uh, and I also contemplated this that.

1197
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: The didn't really have the He just didn't have the

1198
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,920
he didn't have the the imnna say the talent. He

1199
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,480
just didn't really seem to have the the the emotion

1200
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:10,719
or the interest in the fight he was.

1201
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: And two our point.

1202
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: The first fight for Fury and Wilders in Los Angeles,

1203
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,079
I believe in the December time frame. The second fight,

1204
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,159
about a year and a half later, is in February

1205
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:23,760
in Las Vegas. And the third fight was also in

1206
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,440
Las Vegas, but it was in October. So again it

1207
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,119
doesn't fit the bill of how wild is it that

1208
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,679
the Triple G Canelo rivalry all the second week in September.

1209
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: The second week in September.

1210
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 3: Go back to holy Field and Riddic bo. I think

1211
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,239
two of their fights were in November. Uh, I forget

1212
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,320
when the third one was, but they were. They were

1213
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,199
all in Vegas, but they were all not in the

1214
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,159
same location, right.

1215
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: And not the same month, right on all those.

1216
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Solofkin and Canelo, That's true. That was a great rivalry.

1217
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,760
I mean, there was the man for the fight. They

1218
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,119
were both sure beating everybody. Canelo was doing all the

1219
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,400
domination in the junior middleweight division. He finally came up

1220
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,880
to the middleweight division where Gennadien drilling everybody, knocking everybody out,

1221
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,239
you know who was on that crazy long knockout streak,

1222
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,880
and just they were both on the pound for pound list,

1223
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,480
you know, there was there was so much anticipation and

1224
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:11,679
excitement for those fights, and the first two, which are

1225
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:13,280
really what we're talking about here, even though the third

1226
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,400
one was also on the same weekend, they lived up

1227
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,760
more or less to the expectations. It was just disappointing

1228
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,400
in terms of the way that they were scored.

1229
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: All right, and then there is the nostalgia love this

1230
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:26,400
whenever we get the chance to bring it up. It

1231
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,440
is forty three years ago Monday, as we released the

1232
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,920
podcast Sunday Night into Monday, September sixteenth, nineteen eighty one.

1233
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,920
Tremendous build up for Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hitman

1234
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,760
Hearns for the undisputed welterweight championship in Las Vegas. We

1235
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,800
have talked about this fight before, but it is worthwhile

1236
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,000
to bring it up again as part of the Four

1237
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,199
Kings and this time frame.

1238
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,599
Speaker 2: They finally fought.

1239
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: They finally met after a couple of years of everybody

1240
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,719
wondering are they got a fight? They did, and Sugar

1241
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Ray Leonard, with a dramatic rally late in the fifteenth

1242
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,320
round fight gets a stoppage that he needed as it

1243
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,000
turned it out. As it turned out, Dan Ray phillis

1244
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,800
losing on the cards.

1245
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: He wasn't. I mean, this is uh, this is about

1246
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,400
as big as a fight as there is in the

1247
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,599
history of boxing. The anticipation, the the domassive media coverage.

1248
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,639
I mean this was front page news across the country,

1249
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,119
you know, newscast type leadoff stuff, mainstream media all over

1250
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:27,079
this thing. They had been building towards this fight for

1251
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,280
a while. They had been on national television calling each

1252
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,400
other out or their teams looking for the fight, fans

1253
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,840
looking for the fight, the boxing industry looking for the fight.

1254
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,559
They were young, you know, they weren't waiting to o

1255
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:39,639
their you know, this is not Spence Crawford where they

1256
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:42,880
were you know, near the end of their careers, basically

1257
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,199
in their in their mid thirties to late thirties doing

1258
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,440
the fight. Tommy was like, I want to say twenty

1259
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,480
five to twenty six and Ray was like twenty three.

1260
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,480
I mean they were young, young fighters with with long

1261
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:53,960
futures in front of them.

1262
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,039
Speaker 2: And another important factor.

1263
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: She just alluded to boxing much more mainstream in the coverage,

1264
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,760
and they were repeatedly fighting on net were TV, not

1265
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,079
on pay per view to.

1266
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,519
Speaker 3: Build it more early they were active I mean.

1267
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: Yes, actual eve and constantly fighting on free TV to

1268
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
build up this closed circuit fight. There was no pay

1269
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,320
per view to build up the interest in the closed

1270
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,800
circuit fight.

1271
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: There's no doubt.

1272
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: No, it was only it was three months and before

1273
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,239
the fight. Now, when you do a mega fight, now,

1274
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,079
the notion that the two guys who were fighting each other,

1275
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:24,039
imagine Canelo and Galoftia and we just talked about three

1276
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,559
months before the Long Way To fight, they fight on

1277
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:30,159
the same card against other opponents that would not happen.

1278
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,559
Tommy took on a nobody, a terrible opponent in Pablo Bayas,

1279
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,360
but Ray went up and went up one weight class

1280
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:40,000
and won the Jingior Middlewhite title against Kolule on a

1281
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:42,719
card that took place in June, and they were scheduled

1282
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,480
to meet not even full three months later in the

1283
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,559
biggest mega fight. I mean, a couple things of note

1284
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:50,800
about that fight, by the way. Main Events the promotion

1285
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,760
Company which became one of the biggest, most significant promoters

1286
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,599
in boxing for most of the eighties, nineties, two thousands,

1287
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,360
and has only been lately the last like you know,

1288
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,159
ten years or so that they've petered out some degree.

1289
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,880
But they became a powerhouse. I mean, they promoted tons

1290
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,639
of big names, Evander Holyfield and you know, many many

1291
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,719
top guys, Meldrek Taylor and all those Olympians from nineteen

1292
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,480
eighty four, and obviously they promoted Fernando Vargas and Artural Gaddy,

1293
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,119
I mean, on and on, just a million champions. This

1294
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,199
was their first big event. This was their first like

1295
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,199
major fight that they promoted, and again in the manthean

1296
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,000
of the four Kings fights. This is about as big

1297
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:27,840
of a fight as there was. I mean, I think

1298
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,800
in terms of media and fan attention, it's probably bigger

1299
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,639
than the first Duran Leonard fight, which is what kicked

1300
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:38,599
off the Four Kings rivalry. You know, as it turned out,

1301
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,480
you know, maybe you could argue finally near the end,

1302
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,039
when Leonard and Hagler finally met for the Middleway title,

1303
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,000
it may be considered a little bigger and commercially in

1304
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:50,960
mainstream wise than this fight because they had spent so

1305
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,000
many years Hagler and Leonard established themselves in the mainstream

1306
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,320
even more so than what was.

1307
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,599
Speaker 1: Going on, and they had both beaten the other two

1308
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,599
at that exactly.

1309
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: But I mean, look, it's a great fight. It was

1310
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,760
a tale of two fights because Tommy, you know, Ray

1311
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,760
was the big was I would say, the big favorite,

1312
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,480
but he was the favorite to win the fight. I

1313
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:10,920
actually saw this in one of the media polls that

1314
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,039
they had done where they asked for the picks. They

1315
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,480
had pulled like something close to like fifty writers and

1316
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:17,079
it was almost forty of them were picking Ray to

1317
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:18,880
win the fight. So, I mean, he was a substantial

1318
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,800
favorite from that standpoint, and it was turned out that

1319
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,599
Tommy Hearns was the one that was winning and and

1320
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,079
and you mentioned that Ray needed the knock, And of

1321
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,199
course there's the very famous scene between round twelve and

1322
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,920
rounds thirteen where he got the great Angelo Dundee and

1323
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Sugar Ray Leonards quarter is simply you know, and Angelo,

1324
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,599
if you knew him as a quarterman, he you know,

1325
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:40,679
he spoke softly and carried the big stick. As I say,

1326
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:43,320
he didn't really say a whole lot of stuff. So

1327
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,519
when he spoke, you listen. And when he told you know,

1328
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,960
this was his I call it his love language, his

1329
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,000
coded words. This was you know, you better go out

1330
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,639
there and fucking take care of business. But he didn't

1331
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,440
say it like that. He says, you're blowing at Son.

1332
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,199
Now you're blowing it.

1333
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:58,079
Speaker 1: They got nine minutes left. You're blowing at Son, You're

1334
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,000
blowing it. You're about That was again.

1335
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: That was enough for Sugar Ray Leonard to know the

1336
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,119
deal there. But listen, at the end of the day,

1337
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,480
fights just don't get much better than this. This is

1338
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,679
everything that we love in boxing. Two great fighters who

1339
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:12,199
would going on to have all kinds of other glory besides.

1340
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:16,920
This match evenly matched different kind of styles. Fans wanted

1341
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,119
this fight, and they delivered. Absolute fucking classic. This one

1342
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,000
of my favorite fights not that long ago when there

1343
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:25,519
was I don't know what the anniversary was, but I

1344
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:27,239
did a piece in my sub stack in my Fight

1345
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,159
for Each Night newsletter where I ranked all nine of

1346
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:33,440
the four Kings fights. This one is very high up

1347
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,519
on that list. It's not number one, but it's certainly

1348
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,320
way up there. And it only took them eight years

1349
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,199
to have the rematch, unfortunately, which was another heck of

1350
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:42,440
a fight too, by the way. But this, you know,

1351
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,840
when you talk about like the all time HBO fights,

1352
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,599
for example, they did one hundred. They did over a

1353
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:51,840
thousand fights on HBO in their in their history of

1354
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,639
televising boxing. This was not live on HBO, but they

1355
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:57,760
had the rights to the replay, which they bought had

1356
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,960
their you know, and so it counts as an HBO

1357
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,360
fight has it aired on the network, even it was

1358
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,119
on a slight delay there by a couple of WEEKIR

1359
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:06,000
a week or two. It's one of the biggest fights

1360
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,119
they ever showed in their entire history of doing fights.

1361
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:12,360
And we know the legendary fights at HBO showed, and

1362
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,079
this is really what kicked it off. This is so

1363
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:17,320
HBO had done huge amounts of fights through its time

1364
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,280
in boxing, and they had done a lot of fights

1365
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,639
in the nineteen seventies. But the fight that really I

1366
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,199
feel like kickstarted them into the you put them really

1367
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,559
into another level, was when they ended up doing this

1368
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,760
fight and then picked up what they did beyond that. Anyway,

1369
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,880
just one of the all time great fights. I have

1370
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:34,480
taken this.

1371
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,599
Speaker 1: I have told this story before. I'll just tell it

1372
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:40,280
briefly here. I'm a young TJ at this point, I

1373
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:45,760
am what eleven years old. We're living in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

1374
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,239
My father was in the church ministry. We were the

1375
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,519
church in Tennessee where we lived for about four or

1376
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,840
five years. And it was a huge boxing fan that

1377
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,159
was a member of the church that had a connection

1378
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,719
with this with this guy that can only be described

1379
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:02,760
as a millionaire. I remembers a little kid. We're at

1380
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,320
this mansion, at this house. This was a weeknight, Dan Rayphil.

1381
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,960
If they're having this fight as they would commonly do,

1382
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:12,760
you've explained that before Monday or closed circuit right, closed

1383
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,280
circuit fight, and he had one of the massive satellite dishes,

1384
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,559
you know, the ones that are the size of a swimming.

1385
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:19,239
Speaker 2: Pool back in the day.

1386
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: They're that big out in the front yard, not the

1387
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,960
little direct TV dish that they don't even have anymore.

1388
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,119
Speaker 2: So we're watching the whole undercard, and.

1389
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: I got I got to stay up that night because

1390
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,199
I had done my homework, I had taken my nap,

1391
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:33,719
and I got to stay up and be there that night.

1392
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,519
And right as they got in the ring and got

1393
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:41,639
ready to fight, the scramble button got hit. For everybody

1394
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,400
that was pulling this down. In the early days of

1395
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,880
pirrating a satellite feed, not an online stream, they scrambled

1396
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,800
it for everybody. We watched the fight listening to the

1397
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,400
audio through the squiggly line.

1398
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: Count us crazy is if there's a technology, people will

1399
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:58,639
try to steal it.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 3: So by the way, I looked this up through thirteen

1402
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:05,440
rounds because Tommy stopped I mean Ray stopped him in

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,320
the fourteenth round. Tommy Hearns was ahead on all three

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:13,199
cards one one, twenty five, one twenty two, one, twenty four,

1405
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,440
one twenty two. That's how they did it back then,

1406
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,039
when it was fifteen rounds kids, not twelve rounds.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And so again we sat there for the forty

1408
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:24,000
five minutes of drama and they were trying everything to

1409
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,880
switch the satellite in the front yard, which it took

1410
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,280
some time. Again, bear in mind, folks, no internet. This

1411
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,679
is pre cell phones. This is this is uh primitive,

1412
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,719
uh closed circuit. And there you go. That's what I

1413
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,000
remember about that. And I did not get to clearly

1414
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:43,960
see the fight, not through the sprinkly lines, until the

1415
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:45,000
HBO replay.

1416
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Speaker 3: So another thing about this fight is that very rarely

1417
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,079
you have this type of fight that's so anticipated that

1418
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:52,960
it actually lives up to the hype. But this did.

1419
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,039
And lots of people picked this fight as the nineteen

1420
01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:59,079
eighty one fight of the year. You know, if you

1421
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:01,320
go look, I mean these lists are done all the time,

1422
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,840
but in like the mid nineties when Ring Magazine they

1423
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,360
ranked like their top hundred fights of all time or

1424
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,760
something like that, they ranked this the ninth greatest fight

1425
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,719
of all time. I mean, if you can crack the

1426
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,400
top ten, and when you think about all the boxing

1427
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,119
events that take a place, that's pretty frequent. Good.

1428
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,719
Speaker 1: One other factor too, Hearns had been destroying everybody with

1429
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,639
that lethal right hand, and he could not knock Ray

1430
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,280
Leonard out. For whatever you want to say about Ray Leonard,

1431
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,480
he couldn't drop him, couldn't knock him out. And in

1432
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:30,440
the end Leonard overcame him some question whether the referee,

1433
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,960
who was a very good referee at that time, Davy Pearl,

1434
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:34,440
stopped the fight too soon.

1435
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: I don't agree with that.

1436
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: Heard on the ropes Hearns winning the fight, which Davy

1437
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,639
Pearl wouldn't have known. You wouldn't have known what the

1438
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:44,440
scores were, this fight was.

1439
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:46,159
Speaker 3: This fight was stopped just fine. And by the way,

1440
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,679
you talk about how Tommy couldn't knock right down when

1441
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:50,400
they met in the rematch eight years later, he put

1442
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,199
him on the deck twice and suddenly got a draw.

1443
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,599
Speaker 1: Indeed, So there you go, nostalgia on Leonard Hearns one.

1444
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,719
Speaker 3: You know, I'll be posting my membilia, yeah, my Twitter

1445
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:01,679
when the day.

1446
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: The incredible build up to that fight.

1447
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,039
Speaker 3: I'll go back and I'll watch the HBO Legendary Night

1448
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,880
special on uts fantastic stuff. I'll watch the fight.

1449
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: Gotta do that exactly.

1450
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I'm gonna do actually now

1451
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,920
that because I knew were gonna discuss this on the show.

1452
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,280
When I go to bed tonight. And this is the

1453
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,760
true story. The one boxing book I keep on my bedside.

1454
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,400
It's in my nightstand, is my copy of The Four

1455
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,079
Kings by my dear departed friend George Kimball. And I

1456
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,079
will when I lay my head down on my pillow

1457
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:32,079
before I actually go to seet, I will start to

1458
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:33,920
read the chapter on Leonard Hearns.

1459
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,679
Speaker 1: One good luck hanging in there to read all of that,

1460
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,280
but yes, well worth it on on Leonard and Hearns

1461
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,679
and the nostalgia. All right, we've covered a bunch with

1462
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,079
Canelo's win and that card. I'm glad you got back

1463
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:49,880
safely from Vegas. I'm back from the Motor City. I'm

1464
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,400
in a good mood for now, although I'm gonna collapse

1465
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,360
soon after the Buccaneer win over the Detroit Lions.

1466
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,239
Speaker 3: Why don't we're we're not gonna talk about the Giants.

1467
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: Eric, please, your team is struggling for the NFL.

1468
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: They By the way, if Anthony Joshua will fight week

1469
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:08,559
at Wimbley Fighting, Daniel Dubois will.

1470
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,599
Speaker 2: Be in the preview mode later in the week. Other

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01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,280
than that, I think we're good coming off the weekend.

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01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:14,239
Anything else in.

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Speaker 1: Closing all good, All good, daddy, there is Dan Rayfield.

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01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,039
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1475
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:23,760
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