1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:25,039 Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome to doctor Jeff Werber here and 3 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,200 ask the bets with doctor Jeff here on pet Life Radio. 4 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:35,920 And I'm here for you. 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You 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,120 can go and reach them at pet HealthNetwork dot com 30 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:53,359 and I am one of their many bloggers. 31 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:54,519 Speaker 3: Fantastic stuff. 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,159 Speaker 2: In fact, I think one of my blogs is being 33 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:59,560 posted on Monday, so if you want to go on 34 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:03,000 and check out pet Health Network. A great team of veterinarians, 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,439 some of whom will actually be guests on my show 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,599 here with you, so you can give a call and 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,719 actually get the opinions of two veterinarians, which is really cool. 38 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:12,879 Speaker 3: So you know. 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: Interestingly, one of the blogs and I wrote, I was 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,560 at the North American Veterinary Conference last week and the 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,159 great conference. By the way, in a couple of weeks 42 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:22,680 I'm heading to Las Vegas for the Western Veterinary Conference. 43 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:26,000 And interestingly, one of the big topics and one of 44 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:30,039 the big challenges that we have in veterinari medicine obviously, 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,719 is the high cost of quality medicine. Drugs have gone 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,080 up in price, the equipment has gone up in price, rent, payroll, 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,319 I mean, all of this stuff has gone up, which 48 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:42,599 means that if you will have a well staffed, well 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,000 stocked facility, that you take your pets to a facility 50 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:48,199 that is either open twenty four hours or at least 51 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:51,680 has the equipment that you want your pet to have, 52 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,120 and at the very least a technician available at the 53 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:58,199 hospital to be with hospitalized pets twenty four hours. 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,039 Speaker 3: It costs. 55 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: And what we found so interesting at this seminar, this 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,680 one particular seminar that I attended, was that in Sweden 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,120 almost sixty percent of pet owners have pet insurance for 58 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:14,039 their pets. In the United Kingdom it's about forty percent, 59 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:16,479 a little under forty percent, which is still amazing. What 60 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:19,199 makes it even more amazing when you think about those numbers, 61 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:23,120 I mean sixty percent, forty percent, that in the United 62 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:28,360 States probably arguably the craziest nation in the world when 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,520 it comes to pets and pet care and how we 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,400 view our pets part of the family and what we 65 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:35,719 would do for them, less than one percent of you, 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,199 and we say it one more time, less than one 67 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:41,479 percent of you pet parents pet owners, call yourselves what 68 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:44,840 you like, actually have insurance for your pets. Now what 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,719 drives me nuts is I understand that quality care is 70 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:52,719 expensive to run. A practice is very expensive. Owners complain 71 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,120 all the time about fees and about the cost and 72 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,599 have come to no payment plans and this and that 73 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:59,759 and the other. They're always looking for excuses and not 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,439 to pay or try to negotiate. Meanwhile, ask them if 75 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,560 they have pet insurance for their pets, and their answers no. 76 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:08,199 So you really need to speak with your veterinarian. And 77 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,319 there are really a number of good companies out there. 78 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: You know. 79 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:14,439 Speaker 2: Hopefully you can listen to this again and again online 80 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,800 on pet Life Radio, but I'll name just a handful. 81 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,319 But you need to go out and do your homework 82 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,240 and check into what you want, what kind of plan 83 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,240 you want, what the kind of plan you can afford. 84 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:30,839 But you absolutely need to have your pets insured. Or 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,639 the alternative is set up an account in their name 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,120 and contribute to it every month like you would the 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,839 premium for your pet insurance policy. And you basically we 88 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:42,199 call that self insuring where you don't use it or 89 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,920 on little things, but if you build it up every month, 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,800 every quarter or whoever often you want to make your 91 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,480 contributions to the account. You open up a savings account 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,600 in Buffy's name or in Bowser's name or whatever, and 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,920 like clockwork, no excuses, you make your deposit, and at 94 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:00,279 the end of a couple of years, I have a 95 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,240 few thousand dollars sitting around which you can use as needed. 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,720 But either way, you need to do something to plan 97 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,560 for the future. And what I often tell my clients 98 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,480 simply is that you're gonna find you're gonna need it 99 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,519 the most when you don't have it, and that's the crime. 100 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,079 So look into companies like True Panion, Embrace, pet Plan, Pets, Best, 101 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:25,959 ASPCA Pet Care VPI. These are all companies that have 102 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:30,079 insurance policies. I cannot make a blanket statement and tell 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,160 you what's best for your pet. But you know what's 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,279 best for your pet. You know what you want. You 105 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:36,000 know whether you want wellness care, you know if you're 106 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,079 worried about cancer care, you know. You know if you 107 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:40,120 have a dog that has a lot of familial or 108 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,639 congenital issues that different companies will cover familial or congenital 109 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,879 issues as long as they weren't present when you start 110 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:50,839 the policy. Other companies will actually have writers for cancer treatment. 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,839 Other companies will have wellness care plans. So if you 112 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:56,600 take your pet in just for vaccines or just for 113 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:59,759 the routine dentistry or the routine annual blood test without 114 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:02,040 a proper problem or others, you can opt for just 115 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:05,040 major accident or illness insurance, which is gonna be a 116 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:05,879 littless expensive. 117 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,079 Speaker 3: So the key is it all depends. 118 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: You can custom tailor a plan that's best for you, 119 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,199 but it is so critical that you have pet insurance. 120 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: The worst thing. 121 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: There is something a term that for those of you 122 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,800 who haven't heard this term, it's going to blow your mind, 123 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:23,439 and we unfortunately have to refer to it often in 124 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:27,000 verny medicine, especially in certain parts of the country, and 125 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:30,240 that is called economic euthanasia. 126 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: And basically what that means is. 127 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: That people are willing to put a pet to sleep 128 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:39,439 simply because they either can't afford to or don't want 129 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,839 to spend the money, even if they had it on 130 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,439 a dog, on a cat, or on a bird or 131 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,439 pocket pet. And though they opt for euthanasia rather than 132 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,000 spending the money to either get a diagnosis or to treat. 133 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:57,279 Economic euthanasia pretty frightening. Of course, our listeners here at 134 00:06:57,319 --> 00:06:59,680 pet Life Radio ask the that's with doctor Jeff, aren't 135 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,720 thinking about economic euthanasia. I know you want to do 136 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,759 the best for your pets, but in order to do so, 137 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,240 it is really important to make sure that you are 138 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,439 prepared for that major illness, for that accident, and get 139 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,000 yourself signed up to a pet insurance policy. 140 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,199 Speaker 3: Let me know what you think. I want to know. 141 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: I'd love to know. And hey, free pro sense pet product. 142 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Give us a call at eight seven seven three eight 143 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,560 five eight eight eight two once again eight seven seven 144 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,160 three eight five eight eight eight two, and let me 145 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:30,920 know if you have pet insurance, if you've talked about it. 146 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:32,920 I also want to know. And this is, you know, 147 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,680 a kind of a one of my pet peeves part 148 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,920 in the pun. How many veterinarians, how many veterinarian hospitals 149 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:41,399 don't mention anything about pet insurance when clients come in. 150 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,480 I mean, I train my staff not to ask do 151 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,439 you have a pet insurance policy? I train them to 152 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,040 ask which pet insurance policy do you have, the assumption being, 153 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,839 of course, that you do have one, even though we 154 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,439 know they don't. But that way it really stresses the 155 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,879 importance of when you go in and they ask you 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,600 which pet insurance company are you with? If you knew 157 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,759 nothing about pet and ssurns, if you didn't even know 158 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,639 that pet and shirts existed, that the option is there, 159 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,720 then you might say, oh, what pet and shirts. There's 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,759 pet and shirts. It's the same thing with micro chipping. 161 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,839 Every pet should be microchipped, and it's important to make 162 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,519 sure when you check into your vets office that they 163 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,279 are asking you is your pet microchip? Or which microchip 164 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,480 company does your pet have a microchip with? So again 165 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,439 I hate hearing when someone says, oh, I didn't know 166 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:31,759 there's pet and churns for pets. I didn't know a 167 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 microchip you can actually put a chip into your dog. 168 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:37,200 I mean, guys, this is amazing stuff and it's and 169 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,320 every every single pet should have a microchip. So that's 170 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,759 something that we want to make sure that you start doing, 171 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,080 like right away, because it's very important. So give me 172 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,639 a holler, send me a note here at pet Life Radio. 173 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:54,519 Just you can either if you're listening online right now, 174 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:57,159 down at the bottom of the pet Life Radio you 175 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,039 see that box and you can join the conversation and 176 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,360 you can, you know, let us know right away if 177 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,960 you have any questions, well, we'd love to hear your questions. 178 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: And then if you want to give us a. 179 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: Call eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two, 180 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,960 or of course you can always send me a quick 181 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,360 email to Dr Jeff doctor Jeff at Drjeff dot com. 182 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:19,080 And I just also would love to know how you 183 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:21,440 guys are doing in the winter. I was just at, 184 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,159 as I mentioned, at the North American Veterinary Conference, talking 185 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,000 to a number of veterinarians like everywhere in the in 186 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:30,759 the country and hearing still some of these insanely cold 187 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:34,440 temperatures is just is it's frightening how your pets varying 188 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,039 this winter. All I can tell you is it's too 189 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,840 warm here right now. And I went up to the 190 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,039 mountains a couple of weeks ago to Mammoth Mammoth Lakes, California, 191 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,240 where typically has amazing snow in this Sierras, and it 192 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,679 is really not that good. The snowboarding or skiing is 193 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:55,039 extremely suspect. And I'm sure hoping that at some point 194 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,679 during the season we're going to have some better snowfall, 195 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,879 because I'm anxious to be out there and do some 196 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,600 real boarding. Anyway, I wanted to take our first quick 197 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,600 break here at pet Life Radio, Ass Thevats with Doctor Jeff. 198 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,440 When we come back, we are going to answer a 199 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:15,279 question that I received from one of our listeners about 200 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:18,759 the etiquette if you will, for lack of a better term, 201 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:24,720 of asking your veterinarian for a second opinion. Under what circumstances, 202 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,600 who should you go to? Is it appropriate to ask? 203 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,399 Should it be offered before you ask? These are all 204 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:32,240 the things we're going to talk about when we come back. 205 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,919 Stay tuned. Here we're with Ask the Bats with Doctor Jeff. 206 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,879 I'm your host, Doctor Jeff Weber, and we'll be back 207 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,919 in just a minute. 208 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:44,879 Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. Stay tuned. 209 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: Swipe It's revolutionary new product that literally so wipes away 210 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,320 cat hair from virtually any surface. You know, most of 211 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:59,759 us struggle with a roller or vacuum cleaner to clean 212 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,919 up cat hair. But anyone who has tried either of 213 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,000 these nose they just don't work very well. 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I'm your host of a Vets with Doctor 235 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:03,000 Jeff here on the one and only pet Life Radio, 236 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,799 part of the iHeart Radio Network, which is very impressive anyway. 237 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:11,799 Speaker 3: So just before the break, I had. 238 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: An interesting question from one of our listeners, and they 239 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,759 were concerned that they had an issue going on with 240 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:20,799 their pet, their dog and the veterinarian, and things were, 241 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:23,120 for lack of a better term, stale, I mean, and 242 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,600 that means nothing was really wrong, but both the veterinarian 243 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,120 and of course the owner were becoming maybe a bit 244 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:35,000 frustrated that they weren't getting the answers they needed. Our 245 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,879 listener asked, is it okay to ask for a second opinion? 246 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:40,600 And you're gonna hurt the veterinarians feelings? And you know 247 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,840 a good veterinarian and totally love the vet. And here 248 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,840 were my suggestions. I think it's a good thing just 249 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:49,639 to talk about because it's not uncommon. And first of all, 250 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,759 when you know or you think that a problem is 251 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,000 going on and the answers just aren't coming, or they're coming. 252 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,480 The answers are there, but the treatment's not coming. There 253 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:02,519 are a number of sayings that I live by, and 254 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:05,639 one of my favorite is this, And even though you 255 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,840 don't live here in southern California, I think you can 256 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:10,679 guess the answer, and that is the following. You're running 257 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,360 along the beach in Malibu and you hear the hoof 258 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,720 beats chasing you from behind. What are you thinking horses 259 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,399 are zebras, and of course that most of the cases 260 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,320 we deal with are horses, meaning the obvious things, the 261 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:26,799 more likely things. But that's the biggest problem. On on 262 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,240 a side note that we see with young graduates and 263 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:33,919 students is because they are learning clinical medicine from the 264 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,399 veterinary teaching hospitals, and the teaching hospitals are the ones 265 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,240 that do end up with a lot of the zebras 266 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,519 because of referrals from the GPS, the general practitioners that 267 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:47,759 are these are cases bizarre once in a lifetime, twice 268 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:50,120 in a lifetime, cases that are way beyond the means 269 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:51,879 of a GP, and they end up with all the 270 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:53,200 specialists at the university. 271 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: So these graduates get out thinking that every case is 272 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:56,639 a zebra. 273 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: Every case are these odd, bizarre cases, and they're ready 274 00:14:59,919 --> 00:15:03,080 to start looking for those weird things and never thinking 275 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,799 wait a second, time out, time out, we have to 276 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:08,039 rule out the obvious things. So the approach that most 277 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,440 of us take to a case is we're not thinking zebras, 278 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,279 We're thinking horses. 279 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: We're thinking what could this be. 280 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: Let's test for the things that are most likely and 281 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:19,000 rule them out first, and once we do that, we 282 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:22,919 can then approach or start looking for some stranger, weirder, 283 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:26,879 more esoteric problems that, as I call the zebras. So 284 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,159 when you have a case that is sort of stumping 285 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:34,279 the doc, either from a diagnostic standpoint or a therapeutic standpoint, 286 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,080 when that happens to me, and trust me, it does. 287 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:39,360 And as I joke, I'm very happy being a GP, 288 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,279 a general practitioner. As I call myself, I am the 289 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,879 quintessential jack of all trades, master of none. I mean, 290 00:15:44,919 --> 00:15:47,759 I certainly have certain interests. I may do things a 291 00:15:47,799 --> 00:15:50,360 little bit more frequently than some of my GP colleagues 292 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,279 may do. And then again they do other disciplines that 293 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:57,240 they sort of enjoy working on more than I do. 294 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,600 But we all have our limitations as gps. The beauty 295 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,519 of the specialist is that they have honed in on 296 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,480 one discipline, whether it's internal medicine, whether it's cardiology, whether 297 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,399 it's dermatology, whether it's oncology, whether it's dentisty, whether it's 298 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:14,879 behavior right. And that's what they do, and they do 299 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,840 it very well. So when I see I refer for 300 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,320 a number of reasons. Number one is the obvious, this 301 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,120 is a really tough case. I am not getting it, 302 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,000 and I need some specialized diagnostic help that I just 303 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,679 don't have the right equipment for. Be it that half 304 00:16:31,679 --> 00:16:35,360 a million dollar ultrasund machine, be it the endoscope, the bronchoscope. 305 00:16:35,639 --> 00:16:37,519 I know it needs to be done, I just don't 306 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:38,399 have the equipment. 307 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: To do it. 308 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,799 Speaker 2: Number two is a case that I am doing all 309 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,559 the right tests and everything is pointing to nothing, and 310 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,679 yet clearly the pet is having a problem. I need 311 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,840 to call in the expert. I need to call in 312 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,440 my one of my friends, an internal medicine specialist who 313 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,960 can help get the diagnosis. Number three is I got 314 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,679 my diagnosis, and the dog has often a typical response 315 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,720 to the treatment that we should be using, and I 316 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:06,880 have the right dose and I have the correct treatment, 317 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,279 but nothing is helping this dog or cat is not responding. Basically, 318 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,119 the dog or the cat did not read the textbook, 319 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,160 so they don't know that on this dose at this time, 320 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,160 given this way, they are supposed to be responding, and 321 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,400 they don't. And therefore I call in a specialist. If 322 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,519 it's a surgery, that's just a surgeon I just don't do. 323 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:29,960 I'm going to call it in a specialist. The last 324 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,559 reason so those are all obvious, and basically it's not 325 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:35,720 an ego thing. It's basically saying, look, I don't have 326 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,279 the equipment, the animal is not responding the way it should, 327 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,559 and I'm kind of stuck. And I have to tell 328 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:44,480 you that there's a certain strategic reason that your veterinarian, 329 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:46,240 your general practitioner should be referring. 330 00:17:46,519 --> 00:17:47,559 Speaker 3: And that's the following. 331 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:51,599 Speaker 2: If I see sometimes that a client and a good 332 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,319 doctor should be able to read their clients, and when 333 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:58,599 that client is starting to become a little bit dissatisfied, 334 00:17:58,599 --> 00:18:01,640 they're thinking, you're just great having and tests, You're spending 335 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,160 too much money, even though you know that you are 336 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,599 doing it right, even though you may have already spoken 337 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:08,559 to one of your referring docs on the phone for 338 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:10,920 a little guidance and they've told you what to do, 339 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:13,920 and yet you still see the client ain't buying it. 340 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,240 You know what, refer Absolutely your doctor should be referring. 341 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,079 You never want to get the client. You never want 342 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,440 to be upset with your veterinarian. So if that starts 343 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,759 to happen, I refer. Now, if with all those things, 344 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:31,480 the doctor still hasn't referred, there's nothing wrong with you asking, 345 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,440 you know what, Doc, I just would feel more comfortable 346 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:37,119 getting a second opinion. But here is the etiquette. Here's 347 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,720 the only thing that I recommend. When a client tells me, well, 348 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,720 their friend how this problem, and they're vetted so and so, 349 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,559 I don't want to hear it when you are going 350 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:49,920 to get a referral or ask for a referral, it 351 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:54,000 should be, in my humble opinion, to a specialist. There's 352 00:18:54,319 --> 00:18:58,000 not necessarily brainy sense in going from one. 353 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: GP a good GP. 354 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: Hopefully you're you love your VET, you've been going for 355 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,319 a long time, you trust them. From one GP to 356 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,960 another GP, that's what we call a lateral move, all right. 357 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,279 If you really want to get the bang for your buck, 358 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,599 you have all the stuff, all the tests, the results, 359 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,400 the treatments copied, and go to a specialist, because what's 360 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,319 happening is there you're sort of moving up the expert 361 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,559 ladder from your extremely competent, great veterinarian general practitioner to 362 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:27,799 a specialist. So that would be my recommendation. The only 363 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:29,839 time I take a little bit offense and I tell 364 00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:31,559 a client you're not going to get any better, I mean, 365 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,799 I trust me, I'm okay, with going to getting the 366 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,799 second opinion. But if you're going to get the second opinion, 367 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,559 at least get it from someone who's way better than 368 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:40,759 I am. And I don't know that that GP down 369 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,559 the street is better than I am. I'm not saying 370 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:43,839 they're worse, they're the same. 371 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: They're good, but you need even better than good. 372 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,839 Speaker 2: Therefore, if you're going to do it, you want to ask, now, 373 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,200 why don't I mind? And why you should think that 374 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,599 your veterinarian should never mind when you ask, is that 375 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,319 one of two things are going to happen? And which is, 376 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,400 by the way, why I don't like to wait until 377 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:58,880 I'm asked. 378 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,759 Speaker 3: I want to do it before. 379 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: If I send to a specialist and that specialist gets 380 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,799 an answer that I couldn't get, you're still gonna love 381 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:08,319 me because I admitted, you know, we need some extra equipment, 382 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,519 we need some extra help here. Let's send it to 383 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:13,960 the specialist. If that specialist agrees with me completely and 384 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,240 everything I've done, and it's just going to continue doing 385 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:18,200 what I'm doing, I look fantastic. 386 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,039 Speaker 3: I look is go as a specialist. 387 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: So either way, when you're a veterinarian, sends before you ask. 388 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,319 Speaker 3: It's a win win, win, win win. 389 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 2: Everybody's gonna win, and you're gonna come away usually thinking great. 390 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,319 What you don't want is to go to that specialist 391 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:33,839 because they asked, not because you were sent And that 392 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,559 specialist takes one look at the blood work, one look, 393 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:38,240 it doesn't even do an extra test and just says, 394 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,279 wait a second, this is so and so and starts 395 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:42,400 putting on the right treatment. Then you're gonna feel a 396 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,599 little bit suspect with your your veterinarian. 397 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,039 Speaker 3: Anyway, we have a caller on the line. Hello, can 398 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:47,839 you can you hear me? 399 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 6: Yes? 400 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 5: Hi? 401 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: Hello, how are you? What's your name? 402 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 6: I'm doing good. My name is Laura. 403 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:55,599 Speaker 3: Hello, Laura, Okay, to do it for you. 404 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,839 Speaker 6: I have a question about nutrition. I have a we 405 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,079 have two cats, okay, one is thin, one is hugely open, okay, 406 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,599 all right, and we just we give them some you know, 407 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,440 dry food in the morning and some in the evening, right, 408 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,160 and I don't give him that much. And I'm just 409 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,480 trying to figure out how can I get this one cat. 410 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,400 You know, maybe I'm not feeding him right, or may 411 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,880 have to feed them separate. I don't know the cat door, 412 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,200 so they go in and out go in and out right. 413 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,519 Speaker 3: So here's here's the thing. 414 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, it could be that the thin cat is just 415 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,440 more active outside. I have eight cats. We have meal 416 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:34,519 time in the morning where I feed them all some 417 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:36,960 canned food, and then when they're done, and that is 418 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:39,720 literally I'm standing over them. Each one has their own 419 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:42,880 separate bowl and I can monitor what each one is eating. 420 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Two of my cats, embarrassingly so are all actually three 421 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:47,400 are rather. 422 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: Large, and I'm talking over twenty pounds. Yeah, the big cats. 423 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,119 Two of them are really big cats. 424 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 2: One is a main Co Norwegian forest cat cross and 425 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,200 one is just he's just a huge bone cat. But look, 426 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,200 I'm not gonna butter up. They're pretty overweight and they 427 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,279 love to eat. So after they've eaten their meal meal, 428 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,599 which I monitor, I know how much to give each one, 429 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:09,880 I will leave a little dry food in their bowls 430 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,200 free choice. So you basically have two challenges here. Number 431 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,240 one is that you want to make sure the cat 432 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,119 that's not eating, or the thin cat, really is able 433 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,160 to eat without being disturbed by the other cat to 434 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,680 the point where the ration that you give him or 435 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,519 her is finished. Okay, now the big cat should start 436 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,440 being given less food and be very careful, especially with 437 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,640 the dry food, and especially with a big cat, an 438 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,799 overweight cat, because type two diabetes is very common in cats, 439 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,240 especially if they're overweight, and especially if they're eating diets 440 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,799 primarily of dry food, because that dry food has a 441 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:50,640 lot of carbs. So I'm a big fan for cats 442 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,920 that are obligate carnivores. They need animal based protein that 443 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:59,039 we give them more of the maybe canned food, whether 444 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,759 it's salmon or or meat or beef or chicken or poultry. 445 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: Something like that. 446 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: They need to eat a little bit more canned food. 447 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:08,359 There are some some special foods out there for diets maintenance, 448 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,599 for diet management, dietary management, giving them low calories and 449 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,119 yet the same amount of nutrients and protein they should 450 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,559 be eating. I would think of that for the bigger cat. 451 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,640 And then whatever you can do, come up with something 452 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,200 around the house, because you know that when they get 453 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,440 out that kiddy door, your big cat is not over exercising, 454 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:28,039 because if he were, he wouldn't be huge. 455 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: So we come up with the way. 456 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,279 Speaker 2: I don't know, like one of my cats loves to 457 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,000 chase laser lights, you know, the light, so why sit 458 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,440 and I get that thing on the wall and I'm 459 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,599 playing and I'm getting him to run and to jump, 460 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,440 and you know, that seems to help, but one hundred percent, 461 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:43,640 And I know it is much more difficult to get 462 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,920 a cat to lose weight than a dog to lose weight, 463 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,640 because rarely do you throw that leash or the harness 464 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,359 on the cat and go out for a run. So 465 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:53,240 that's something that they have to do on their own. 466 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,759 But so what I would do is dietary food for 467 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,480 the big cat. Monitor them carefully when you're feeding the 468 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:00,920 main course, if you will. A little bit of you know, 469 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,039 leaving food out and let them kind of free choice 470 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:05,640 feed during the day is okay. And but I'm just 471 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,079 I want you to see to beef up the food 472 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:10,119 for the little guy and decrease the amount of calories 473 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:11,119 for the big. 474 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 6: Guy, right right. 475 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:14,759 Speaker 3: And whatever you can rig up to make exercise fun, 476 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:15,319 do it. 477 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, our bulldog likes to play with them. 478 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,319 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a bulldog too. Yeah, well I have I have. 479 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,839 Speaker 6: Five dogs a cat. 480 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 481 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: I always joke I said, you want to see your 482 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,759 cat running around, you know, get yourself a cat eating 483 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:30,319 dog and you'll see them move pretty quickly. 484 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,799 Speaker 6: But no, you're just wants to play with the cat. 485 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: That's good dog, I. 486 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 6: Have to do. 487 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: Right. 488 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: Two of my many my many dogs as well, are 489 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,759 Frenchies and they also just love to. 490 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 6: Play with the cats. 491 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. 492 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,559 Speaker 6: Try. I'll try the cans food in the morning and 493 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,160 then that's only gets right and at night I'll give 494 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,119 them a little bit of dry go in and out 495 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:54,720 at night. 496 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: Right, not very much, and make sure to watch the carbs. 497 00:24:58,319 --> 00:24:59,039 Cut back on the. 498 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 3: Cars, all right, right, all right, okay, Laura. 499 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,759 Speaker 2: When you hang up, either called Mark back at the 500 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,920 studio and leave your information, will send you out a 501 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,920 kiddy product for your cats or something for your dog. Okay, 502 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:14,200 courtesy of Prosents. Thanks a lot, have a great day. 503 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: You're welcome. So how easy was that? Everybody? 504 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 505 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,200 You can just call about anything. We'd love to hear 506 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,000 from you. Free choice of a free process pet product 507 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,000 out there. We'll talk about your dogs, your cats, whatever. 508 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,319 Speaker 3: And anyway. 509 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,279 Speaker 2: I hope our little discussion we just had on the 510 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,559 when to refer went to ask for referral, getting you 511 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,119 that second opinion. I hope it helps you, gives you 512 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,960 a little guideline because I really do want you to 513 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,039 know that it is perfectly okay. And as they said, 514 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,960 we do it all the time. I usually like to 515 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,680 beat my client to the punch. I personally take it, 516 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,359 you know, I do take it personally when the client 517 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720 has to ask me. I'm usually pretty good at knowing 518 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,519 when we're on the right track. Everything is working perfectly. 519 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:59,519 I'm totally comfortable. So let's just keep it up versus God. 520 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 3: You know, I did expect that answer. 521 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: I'd then not get any response I should be getting 522 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,920 or or I can't believe I ran all these tests 523 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,799 I'm not getting nothing pointed to a problem. In that case, 524 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,880 we are going to work a little harder and we'll 525 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,519 get that patient over to a specialist to help us out. Anyway, 526 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,559 our looks like our time is up. 527 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: It goes fast, it goes really fast. 528 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,599 Speaker 2: So once again, thanks for joining me here on Ask 529 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,400 the Bets with Doctor Jeff. I'm your host, Doctor Jeff Weerbert. 530 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,359 Want to thank pro Sens, I want to thank pet 531 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,000 Health Network and are my retail partners Target and Walmart. 532 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:34,640 And don't be bashful next week when we're on Ask 533 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,039 the Bets with Doctor Jeff one pm the Pacific time, 534 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,680 four pm Eastern Zone. Here on pet Life Radio. You 535 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,680 can reach us at eight seven seven three eight five 536 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,200 eight eight A two. 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