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Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bulbo. These guys

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Speaker 2: So light she subscribe and raid it lipstick s.

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Speaker 1: Me righteous go on yesterday and listening, oh, watching them

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always keep its watching.

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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James booble Fay.

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Speaker 1: What's happening to Bob's Happy Mother's Day, Cliff, Happy Mother's

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Day to you you mother Trucker. How's your mom doing.

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Speaker 3: She's doing pretty good. She's eighty six now, but she

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still cruises, and she's lives on her own, and she's

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doing fine and drives no problem all that stuff, so

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that's all good.

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Speaker 1: She's so sweet. If you talk to her, today's sender

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my love, Okay, well.

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Speaker 3: For sure she'll be stoked.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 3: Happy day all them, all the mothers out there listening.

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We appreciate you guys tuning in in your special day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course we're recording it on Mother's Day. You'll

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hear this long afterwards, or a couple of days afterwards

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at least. But you know that does mean we're not

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thinking of you. Everybody out there who has spawned, who

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has reproduced, well, today we got a Q and a

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episode going for May May twenty six. I can't even

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believe it. We've been going going for so long now,

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this in this podcast, you know, I know we talked

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about it last episode or whatever, but it's still it

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just blows my mind. Seven years Yeah, insane. Yeah, of

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course we did the television show for nine years. We'll

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Speaker 3: I imagine two years i'd reckoned due according to my math.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did you use your fingers for that? You're

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good at math. I guess you probably didn't, didn't even

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need Anyhow's nice?

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Speaker 4: Nice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a couple of voicemails, we got ever

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written questions, so maybe we'll start since the voicemails were

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on the lighter side once again, this one. We usually

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got a little time and flexibility on a beautiful Sunday here,

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I'm gonna throw you this multi part question.

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Speaker 4: Do it? Hey, Cliff, Bobo and Matt. My name is Jerry.

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Speaker 5: I'm from Pennsylvania. I really enjoyed the Finding Bigfoot episode

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where you two investigate the state of Oregon while Matt

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em Rene investigated Washington. I just wanted to ask and

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see if you guys still hold true to that belief

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that Oregon is the squatchiest state in the US. Other

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than that, I would love to know your top five

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squatchiest states. Thank you so much, guys, love the podcast.

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Take care and keep it squatchy.

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Speaker 3: Excellent question. I kind of put Oregon in Washington in

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the same category, really, I mean, just as the excellent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a hard time saying something is the most.

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of way, you know, in that sort of way, because

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more than everything else, it automatically discounts everything else. And gosh,

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the Pacific Northwest in general, you know, it is just

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so good. But Oregon and Washington, even though there's just

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a river separating into two states, they are remarkably different

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in a lot of ways. It's kind of stunning in

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some ways how different it is. You know, you go

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over to Gibbrid Pinchot National Forest and it just, I

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don't know, it just feels elkier or something. You know,

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there's a different flavor to the forests there. It's amazing

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what that river does. But they are so similar in

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so many ways. I obviously prefer Oregon because that's where

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chose to live here, I bet, Bobo. I mean, what

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are your thoughts, Bobo? I mean, you live in northern California.

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animal life therefore that comes from it and all that

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the editors. I don't remember exactly, but yeah, that was yeah,

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because you know, we're a little competition. You had to

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get the stakes higher and you had to have a

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little bluster, as competitions tend to have, you know. But

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for my five. But largely this has a lot more

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, squat Alaska? Oh yeah, sure, sure, Alaska has to Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And out of those two, I think more

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of West Virginia is suitable habitat than Kentucky. Probably, That's

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what i'd say. Yeah, so I'd probably have to go

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West Virginia on that one. Nothing personal to our good

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friends out there in Kentucky or Ohio or anywhere else

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habitat for them and probably the most habitat for them.

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Speaker 4: I would get.

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Speaker 3: Charlie Raymond seeding right now.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, Charlie knows we love them. Yeah. I suppose

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that's the answer to that one, although he did say states,

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because if you branched out to Canada, I would say

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British Columbia crushes everything else. There's no competition. I think

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I don't think there's any debate on that.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, I couldn't imagine they're being you know,

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a skinny part of Alaska that comes down and say, okay, sure,

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but really that's basically British Columbia. Yeah, so I guess

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maybe Alaska if you count that little skinny part along

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the coast, you know, so handhandle is that what they

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you go, Matt Prue, you're lurking around back there. Do

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you have anything to add to that, any thoughts or

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any states that we might be overlooking.

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Speaker 2: I really loved Utah, and you know, not all of

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for that being you know, such a restricted area. It's

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a vast area, but within the boundaries of the state

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a restricted area, and so you know, of a smaller

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state population and fewer researchers, but it produces a lot.

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the flatter, sort of swampier areas of the state. Arkansas

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take that.

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Speaker 2: Montana, Wyoming are awesome, but I won't be squashing there

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because I don't like grizzlies that much.

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Speaker 1: No, and I'm not interested in tangling with grizzlies at all.

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Someone just got killed by when I saw.

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Speaker 4: In the news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in Glacier National Park.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Montana. Yeah, hopefully that answers Jerry's question. And

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this is going to be a great question to record

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on Mother's Day because this is a strategy that any

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responsible mother would consider.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go and read this one first. Bobes if

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you don't mind. It comes from Patrick Jones and he asks,

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has anyone ever used newborn or pre crawling human children

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to lure a sasquatch in outside the wildlife risk? A

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baby seems like prime sasquatch bait, I asked, because indigenous

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peoples tell story concerning the abduction of children who wander

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Speaker 4: Anybody got a baby? Actually borrow? You can make your own. Man.

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Speaker 2: There was a guy that I knew who got I

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think it was like a monkey baby, though it was

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some sort of like faux baby, and he put a

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speaker at like a Bluetooth speaker and had crying baby

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sounds in it and put it in there. He was

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pretty convinced that was gonna work, and spoiler alert, it

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did not work.

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Speaker 1: Monkey Baby is a great band name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when when Jamie Jay and I saw that one

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that was done by Lauderman and Bard and Bluff, we

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were playing baby Crying Baby over the app.

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Speaker 2: But to answer Patrick, has anyone ever used an actual baby,

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a newborn or pre crawling human child?

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Speaker 1: I would hope nobody has, so would I. Yeah, And

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if they have, I mean that's something seriously to call,

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you know, Child Protective Services about parent.

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because dude, there's owls, there's coyotes. There's a lot more

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of all sorts of these critters, and there are sasquatches.

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Speaker 4: No matter what I mean, coyote.

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Speaker 3: Would be the worst that I'd be like the number

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know. I mean if to

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a sound. You would probably use a sound, and certainly

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sounds of babies have been used many many times, and

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its crying probably have attracted a sasquatch or two over

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vocalizations of the baby. I think that would lure it in,

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endangering your child, I think, because what else can see it,

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because like I said, there's a lot more of other

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animals than there are sasquatches. Yeah, I've certainly used babies

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crying as as as a possible attractant. I've never had

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one came in and looked, and I don't know, maybe

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doing it. I'd rather have a peaceful, quiet night in

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the way that our minds or our brains make things

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relevant or irrelevant. To make a very long story short,

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certain cues, things like white noise or other sounds, but

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they found, like, for example, crying babies, you could never

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that never becomes irrelevant.

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Speaker 4: To the human brain.

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Speaker 2: It's basically impossible to make that sound something that you

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do not automatically involuntarily respond to physiologically or neurophysiologically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, it is hardwired.

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Speaker 3: You could ignore it. So you've been on a plane

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and been able to ignore it? Yep, yeah, right, No

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one can ignore that on a plane. I did. I've

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had him right in front of me, right next to me,

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just screaming, and I do pretty good for the first

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few hours. Now I get a little sick of it.

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Speaker 1: But well, I can see how Bubble might desensitize himself

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because he's literally had a tooth knocked out by a

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baby before.

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Speaker 3: Oh is that how that happened?

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Speaker 4: Way, gather around.

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Speaker 3: It's almost story, dude, he don't see some things that

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will blow me o my classic.

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Speaker 2: He's lying.

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Speaker 4: He's going a cute kill me.

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Speaker 3: On skin.

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Speaker 2: It's bubo story. Any description of felonious or criminal activity

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is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes, and is

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in no way admission of guilt or even true for

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that matter.

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people first started to stop me. It was like real,

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like really early when that was happening, and it was

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like this full I found up the guy Sam it's

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called adene Can. It's it's h Windc. It's like it's

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it's just it like people watching. It's like people of

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Walmart times ten. Yeah, we have Windcos up here. I

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because it's a supermarket that's pretty low prices, one of

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those places you bag your own groceries and stuff, and

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that I like going there. I love going there, but

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the comedian said that, like that place is pretty sketchy,

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like they don't have aisles, they have alleys. That thinkes

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that's that's it. So I'm walking in and this lady

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because it seems she's like it's like full, just like

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tweaker looking lady with like these like you know, I

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was being nice, but like just the kids were like

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it's hard to you don't want to judge kids with her,

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but I mean they're just all dirty and like you

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can tell they weren't like to have the desk home

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life whatever. Like you know, the mom was just tweaker

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and she's like, oh, take a picture with my kids,

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you know, and there was like four kids whatever, and

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she hands me this like three and a half year old,

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three year old whatever. It was pretty big. It was

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like you could walk and talk as a boy. And

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just like that Simpsons baby, you know that evil baby

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on the Simpsons, that's like Maggie's nemesis. Yeah, it was

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like that. And the kids just glaring at me and

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like and then I'm like okay, And I was kind

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of I was trying to get somewhere too, Like we

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were really home for like a you know, a short while,

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and I was trying to get my all my errands

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and chores done. I was taking off from like ten

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weeks whatever. So I'm sitting there like like you know,

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posey with these kids. You know, I got and I

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think I'm getting ring warm and lis and all this stuff.

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like all their lapsed on me, and I'm holding like

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the toddler and then the kids just glaring like not smiling,

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and the mom was like a smile, you know to

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the little kid. And at this point has been like

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five minutes, which is a long time to be like comfortable,

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you know, and just like tweaker lady like making a

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scene and yelling at the kids like you know, like

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stay in this way like this, and then I'm like,

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you know, just take the picture, please take the picture.

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And she strumbled around with this flip phone for like

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five minutes. But anyways, I was holding the kid, start

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trying to basce a little bit, like in a little bounce,

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like heybuddy, you know we need a smile, and he

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just looks at me and glares even more and just

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headbuts me in the face. And he's like I was

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seeing stars like it was like a full it was.

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He nailed me, like super hard, super fast. He was.

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was like you know, toddler of ever, like two three

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year old, two to two and a half, three and

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a half something like that.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

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We'll be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 3: Say head mest me in the face and I go

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to put him down, and I just I just did

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it really quick and let go. Probably he was about

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six inches off the ground and it looked like I

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threw him, but I just kind of put I was

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moving fast, and then I just let go of him

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and he landed at like kind of leaning backwards on

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his feet and like just kept going and it looked

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like I just threw his kid to the ground. Like

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if you if you were just like walking by, like

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not paying attention, you just saw also this little kid

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throwing on the ground and start screaming, and it just

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looked like I picked up this kid and then threw

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him on the ground. So like the mom's yelling at me,

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and it turned into this whole scene like you were

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like what did you do? Like the a couple people

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were walking by were like, like, you just do that kid,

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And I was like, no, I didn't. He just hit

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me in the face and and like, yeah, I instantly

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got like I was getting my lip was swelling up

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and I had a fat lip, and if she just

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knocked out, like I'm kind of like I'm dazed a

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little bit. You know, he nailed me good like my

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other chief got loosened up on each side of it.

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Speaker 1: My fight with a three year old. This is quite

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the Mother's Day episode. Well, you know, I can see

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why you might be a little callous towards some young

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humans in that sort of way because you've had a

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couple of bad experiences with them. So I maybe it

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is possible for Bobo to tune that out. His psychological

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strength just overwhelms all genetic programming and it's like, oh,

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cry away, suck it up, buttercup.

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Speaker 2: See, I actually didn't even know that story. And so,

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once again to tease our membership, if you remember, you

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would have just recently heard that Bobo survived very close

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encounters with both Lyle Alzado and Howie Long, but he

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was bested by a three and a half year old

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Todd in a wind goow.

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Speaker 1: Well that's for those football players, and that's a future raider.

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Speaker 2: Well hopefully that answers Patrick's question with a resounding no,

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and for a good reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I did find what. I found out

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that the camera wasn't the camera wasn't a camera, and

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the phone wasn't a camera. I did find that out

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right for the kid head butt me, So it was

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all for not. Yeah. I was going like, wait, you

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don't even have a camera. I go. I was like,

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is that even a camera? And she's like then because

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I was, I was like, I was getting so frushed

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with this tweakerly not being able to take the picture,

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I said, I finally stopped some younger person's club back.

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I said, please take that photo, because dude, people I

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swear of got this. You must have seen this. People

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go hey, I get a picture, and like there's like

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you're a store, like the airport or whatever, and like sure,

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and then they look around and they'll they'll be like

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an eighty five year old there and they'll go up

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and hand the phone to the oldest person possible that

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has no idea what they're doing. And then say started

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to you know, you got your arm around him, You

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get your arm round into posing and like the person's

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funning to the phone line, what what do you do?

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Like what what what push? You know? Like did you

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notice that, Cliff?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you should always find the youngest person in

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the room, right, and then they will take the best

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picture by far.

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Speaker 3: That's why I had to stopped by. Like when I

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was going by, I stopped this one, like, you know,

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like twenty year old chick. I'm like, please take this

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picture from her. And I told the lady, like just

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give her the phone, like you just give her the phone,

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and she's and the young girl that she goes this

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is this isn't a camera, this is this is.

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Speaker 4: Just a phone.

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Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, that's right. That's why I

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looked at the kid and I smiled at him and

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he just head but it blasted me in the face.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's I kind of like the missing tooth look

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though for Bobo on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I got I got my flick tooth

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and I had it for one day. Like I paid

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this rush order on the on the fake tooth. It

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was like four grand or something, and I was like,

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I needed for the show whatever. Then we went and

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fill that ETV for Joel McHale's This Talk Soup or

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the Soup Show whatever. And then Joe and Array, the

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comedian was in the big Foot costume. He was flipping

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his buddy from back in the day. So we had

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like a common friend and so we're shooting this thing

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where Bigfoot killed. What did you tore our arms off

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or something like?

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Speaker 1: I just remember, well, yeah, you and I went looking

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at the in the little sketch that we did for

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the show, we were looking for a sasquatch and then

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one found We found one and then it ripped your

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arms off and and there was like a soup fl

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a thing or like some sort of like chocolate fountain involved.

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Speaker 3: I remember, right, yeah, let me pick out all the

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food for like attracting a sasquattion was like just all

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this like donuts and chocolate fountain and all that.

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Speaker 1: I have pictures of that somewhere. I can dig those

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up and maybe post them to the members or something,

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if you want.

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Speaker 3: The big Foot was supposed to beat me up, and

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like I took my new fake thought like it was

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on a retainer, and I popped that out and I

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set it down, like I remember, I was being careful

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with it, and it's just freaking disappeared. And so yeah,

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we were. I was covered in fake blood and like

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and like and like dried grass bits and like little

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twigs and stuff, and like I was totally soaked in

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fake blood. And we had to go back to the

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we had we had to get some other interviews or something.

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So we went back to the office at Ping Pong,

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the main office, and I just could run it in.

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Speaker 4: I go, I ran in.

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Speaker 3: I just ran past the secretary and ran into like

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where the executive producers of the owners of the company

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were riding Casey. I ran in there and I ran

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in like to the main like there's like thirty people.

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That's like you know, there's it's like a big office space.

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I ran, I said, I said, don't tell the cops

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yelled something about a dead body, and I said, anyone

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tells the cops.

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Speaker 4: Here, I'll kill him.

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Speaker 3: Then I ran into the bathroom and started washing it up,

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and they came in there so horrified, like I remember

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some remember Casey coming in with someone else, like super nervous,

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like eyes all big wing. What happened? Well, like I

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had to kill that son of a bitch. They're like

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I'm in the washing, I'm making a mess, like I'm

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trashing their about them, like fake blood everywhere, and that.

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It was pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm sending some of these pictures out to you.

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You put those on the membership side of things, and

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of course, all the listeners out there, this is not

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a membership episode, but if you would like to be

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on a weekly basis, and you also get another whole

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Everybody seems to enjoy it. We call our members the pigeons.

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on over. It's five bucks a month. It's a lot

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00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,079
of fun and you get to see all these pictures

474
00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:53,319
and extra videos and doodads and whatever that we post

475
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,799
that see. Everybody seems to really enjoy.

476
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: So, and you're gonna want to hear Bobo's Lao Alzato story.

477
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,039
I do have to say, look into these pictures. First

478
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,960
of all, Joan Array then went on to do the

479
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,039
Netflix reboot of Mystery Science Theater, which is awesome. And

480
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,720
also he's wearing on Suka Tigers, my favorite shoes in

481
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:14,920
this picture of him in the sasquat suit. So good

482
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,200
for you, Joanahray on multiple fronts.

483
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a jarrific blood. Yeah, he tore my throat

484
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,119
out too. That's when he tore my throat out. I

485
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,000
died gurgling blood on the ground.

486
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a fun day. It was It was

487
00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,279
like really, honestly, Bobo, one of the pinnacles of your

488
00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:30,960
acting career.

489
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: It was. That's why I thought I was a better

490
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,440
actor than when we went to go do that Momo movie. Yeah,

491
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:42,119
and then I saw the results. Cliff was better. You know.

492
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,279
Speaker 1: It's a give and take, it's a dance between us both.

493
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:47,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take that.

494
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 4: There you go.

495
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: So here is the next written question for you, Bobo

496
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,759
Richard Solomon. Why do you think no Sasquatchman's have been

497
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:57,440
found up on the Brea Tar pitch? Have you had

498
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000
any contact with John Reives from the Alaskan Bonyard about

499
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,920
any possible revenge she might have found? Keep it squashy.

500
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,480
I've written to John Reeves like several times, never heard

501
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,200
anything back.

502
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: I don't think.

503
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: I don't think he'd let you know from what I've

504
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,000
of all of the interviews I've seen with him, anything

505
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:18,319
that has to do with possible Homo remains. He's just

506
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,400
like he implied that they just put those back on

507
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,839
the ground whatever, so not to deal with getting shut

508
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,400
down by the government and having them come in.

509
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the implication for sure. But yeah, he

510
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,160
never explicitly stated that. He just smiled and said like, no,

511
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,759
we never have and I don't think we ever will.

512
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,079
And then went on to explain how that would either

513
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,559
the discovery of anything human like would shut everything down

514
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,480
and basically hand the whole site over.

515
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lebretta tarpis the squashes were too smart to

516
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,920
get stuck in that thing.

517
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,519
Speaker 1: Well, I mean humans, they have recovered human remains out

518
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:52,799
of there.

519
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:54,559
Speaker 3: Humans are stupid.

520
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: No, that's true.

521
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: I've been to the Liberry Tarpits. It was super cool.

522
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to remember the a full time span there.

523
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,200
Is it like just applies to scene site or is

524
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,880
it like Miacene places. Is it lots of like a

525
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,319
long long span of time.

526
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know. I don't really know, But

527
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,359
you know what, Grizzly bears are well known to have been,

528
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,880
you know, down in the low lands of southern California,

529
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,359
which is why all the native settlements at the time

530
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,599
were up on those ridges, you know, like where current

531
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,680
day Long Beach State is or cal State Domingus. Like,

532
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,200
those are the places where the most of the native

533
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,160
people lived up on these hills, and it was mostly

534
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,200
because down below on the flatter lands, number one grizzly

535
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,519
bears roun pretty freely. Number two floods would come and

536
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,359
wipe out villages all the time, you know, like almost yearly,

537
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,559
the Los Angeles River and the San Gabriel River would

538
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:45,720
flood dramatically. In fact, I became very interested in Southern

539
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,880
California natural history, especially towards the end of my stay

540
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,880
down there. Like the Los Angeles River now is enclosed

541
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,960
into a cement trough basically for the vast majority of it,

542
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,559
with the flood control basically is what it is, because

543
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,440
that thing would flood every single year, and any of

544
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,759
our listeners in Southern California it might be impressed with this.

545
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,599
Even today, there are small pockets of marshes along the

546
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,720
four to five Freeway in the vicinity of those giant

547
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,079
oil rigs and torrents and all that sort of stuff,

548
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,200
kind of near the one ten Freeway where those two

549
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,519
freeways cross. There's even there's small little marshes that even

550
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,839
persist today, and those are leftovers from when the Los

551
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,720
Angeles River would fluctuate its bed pathway dramatically year to

552
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,759
ear meant, you know, sometimes it would go this one direction,

553
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,559
then the next year a flood would happen, and then

554
00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:39,240
the mouth of it would be somewhere else the next year,

555
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,880
and it left behind marshes. Something like sixty to sixty

556
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,200
five percent of southern California was actually wetlands at one point,

557
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,519
and now it's just like this cement wasteland, you know.

558
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,240
But at one point it was just this thriving ecosystem.

559
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,680
Of course, Los Angeles River sometimes would empty in in

560
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:59,039
Long Beach, empty into the ocean in Long Beach, and

561
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,640
other years it would even go northwards north of San

562
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,880
Pedro Peninsula and empty in Redondo. That's how widely the

563
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,920
mouth of the river would fluctuate year to year. So

564
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,720
native people didn't build down there. Now, getting back to

565
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,400
the Sasquatch thing and LaBrea tarpits and whatever else, it's

566
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,119
very possible that that just wasn't good habitat for Sasquatches,

567
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,279
even though they had access to it. Maybe it just

568
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,400
wasn't their preferred habitat and they preferred it in a

569
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,319
preferred a cooler sort of higher elevation temperature in the

570
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:31,319
San Gabriel Mountains or something like that. It's entirely possible

571
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,960
that it could be as simple as that. But apparently

572
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,240
there was a fair amount of animals that are not

573
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,039
represented in the fossil finds at the LaBrea tarpits that

574
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000
we know lived in the area. But also on a

575
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,319
side note, down there, I went to cal State Long

576
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,640
Beach and that's up on a hill above Anaheim Bay,

577
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,359
I think it is, And it was a I couldn't

578
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,920
imagine a better place for a Native settlement to develop there.

579
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,920
It was just fantastic because a short jaunt away you

580
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,200
had this eco system, you know, the bay area, the

581
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,640
estuaries and whatnot, and just food was ridiculously abundant at

582
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,200
one point. And there's a Native settlement up there called Pavugna,

583
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,240
if I remember correctly, So shout out to my Native

584
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,440
friends down in southern California, and particularly those people descended

585
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,000
from the people who live in Pavugna. But that area

586
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,400
is at a Calcay Long Beach, and I believe it's

587
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,039
protected now. If it's not, it should be, But I

588
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,319
believe it's protected now that site and I and the

589
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,480
story of the founding of Pavugna that has been carried

590
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,319
through the oral traditions of the people down there is

591
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:38,160
that I guess that the Native people have a story.

592
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,920
And again I'm probably getting some of this wrong, but

593
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,079
this is approximately right. They traveled to the area from

594
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,720
I believe it's south of there. That could be wrong

595
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,759
with direction. But when the native people arrived there, they

596
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,200
found a fresh water spring at the site, which is

597
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,000
why they founded their village there, and generally speaking, it

598
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,160
was their tradition says it was guarded by some sort

599
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,279
of warrior that they had to defeat and drive the

600
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,119
warrior away because they wanted it, and that's just what

601
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,559
they did. But I read one account, and I've never

602
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,200
been able to find this again. I wish, I wish

603
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,400
I knew where it was. I found one account at

604
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,839
some point that said that the spring was guarded by

605
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,480
a giant, hairy warrior of some sort, and I thought

606
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,720
to myself, we would not be something that a sasquatch

607
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,559
set up base at this freshwater spring, as I think

608
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,559
that they probably do when water freshwater is rare, and

609
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,079
they had to drive the sasquatch away from this area

610
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
in order to claim it for their own. The people

611
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,680
that I think, I think their tongue. But yeah, where

612
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,920
I read that, I wish I could find the source,

613
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,319
but I just don't know where that is. So it

614
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,960
was a signal hills where I read it. It's what

615
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,079
I meant by that the source.

616
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:54,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I'm just saying that. Yeah, the spring

617
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,599
was not at the base of Signal Hill, and yeah

618
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,880
it was. It was called they called it a lost

619
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:01,960
man or dead Man's springs.

620
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Well, the spring that I'm talking about is is on

621
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,920
the Calcia Long Beach land and actually, interestingly enough, when

622
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,440
they talk about a serendipity or a poetic not justice,

623
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,640
but something along those lines, when Calcia Long Beach was built,

624
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,759
the spring stopped flowing fresh water and started producing salty

625
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:20,839
water that was undrinkable.

626
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I thought that the springs that was a whole

627
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,240
separate spring where the where the Harry Warrior was was

628
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,680
more by a Signal Hill and then like the tribe

629
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,200
was over where the university was.

630
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I have it wrong then, but I don't know.

631
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,559
That's just what I remember. But of course, if anybody's

632
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:40,599
listening out there and they know they know the source,

633
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,319
I'd love to hear about it, So email us and

634
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:42,880
let us know.

635
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure I can find it.

636
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah I was sure as well, but I never have unfortunately,

637
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,000
But if you do find it, I'd love to love

638
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,599
to know where that came from. I don't know where

639
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:56,039
I picked that up. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

640
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,839
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after

641
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,599
these messages.

642
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: Here is a fun voicemail for you.

643
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 6: Hey, Cliff bow and that this is Mike come to

644
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,359
you from Connecticut. I just want to say that I

645
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,480
totally loved the neurological spin you guys use on your podcast.

646
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:19,559
I think that totally sets you apart from all the

647
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:21,680
other shows that are out there. Man, it's really great.

648
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,400
With that said, and you're out in the field, are

649
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,519
you guys not kicking into the grub upper notch you're

650
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:29,400
knocking out of the park with some amazing food or

651
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,640
you just resorting down to some quick Stacky's and power

652
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,319
bars and trail mixed kind of thing. Either way, love

653
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:39,319
to hear it. I answer that from the person I

654
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,160
got the most with this bart. He's a chef.

655
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: He brings a pizza oven with him, portable pizza oven,

656
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:51,160
and he makes incredible pizzas every night. Like just then

657
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,960
he makes all these tally like he brings pasta and

658
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:58,759
like his pasta sauces are just off off the charts.

659
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:02,160
Maybe some shrimp pasta he'll bring up all this Gormet food.

660
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,400
But if he's not there, it's like, yeah, with sobby

661
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,640
peas and bagels, and yeah, I just I don't really

662
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,160
pack all that great for I just bring it easy stuff.

663
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,279
Speaker 4: Dude.

664
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,119
Speaker 2: I'm so with you, man, because yeah, I'm just trying

665
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,599
to stay alive. So I bring like beef jerkey, protein bars,

666
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,799
bagels as well, like peanut butter, bananas, and then mountain houses.

667
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,640
But when I go with Darryl, Darryl Collier brings like

668
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,920
two of the largest size like yetti style coolers with

669
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,200
dry ice and ice, and dude, there's like milk and

670
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,960
juice and frozen fruit and fresh fruit and meat and eggs,

671
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,839
and then he cooks this like abundance, and he's always like, hey,

672
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,839
I can't finish all this, do you want some? So

673
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,720
I end up eating like a king. And then Emily's

674
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,839
always like, oh, you're mooching everyone else's food. I'm like, no,

675
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,160
I brought food, it's just they made a bunch and

676
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960
so I just got to eat what wasn't eating, you know.

677
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,039
So I'm with you, like I don't mind eating like

678
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:00,359
a squirrel in the woods for four day because I

679
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,279
don't want to do with all the hassle, but I

680
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,920
will certainly not turn down somebody else's awesome camp cooking.

681
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: Amen.

682
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me it's about the same. I mean,

683
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,519
when when I go out with Bart, i'd like, you know,

684
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:12,759
I haven't been out with bart.

685
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: Since last time.

686
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: You are Bobo and I you know Barton were all

687
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,519
together last year. But yeah, he he feeds you like

688
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,200
like like crazy. There's no way you can lose weight

689
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,599
or anything like that around Bart Brudeau's I know, I

690
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,640
know he's nuts.

691
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:26,839
Speaker 3: Man.

692
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,519
Speaker 1: He goes crazy, which is great, great for everybody involved.

693
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680
But when I go out alone, it's pretty simple. It's

694
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,839
pretty simple. I'll probably get a couple of sandwiches or

695
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,759
something like that. Mountain House is a big favorite of

696
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,920
mine if I spoiling my If I'm spoiling myself, I

697
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,039
might get a steak and then cook it over the

698
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,079
fire because I think that's fun. But really, I try

699
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,079
to keep it pretty simple. And I also don't tend

700
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,079
to have meals per se. I just kind of snack

701
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,279
throughout the day when I when I when I feel

702
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,880
the need. But yeah, my eating regiment is a little

703
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,519
loose when I'm out in the field, So.

704
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,279
Speaker 2: I'm the same way just because I sleep in the

705
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,799
Forerunner and usually keep all the gear stored in there,

706
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,400
and there's a ton of space because I took out

707
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,960
the back seats and have that big platform. But man,

708
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880
I've got a big cooler is that sort of roto

709
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,440
molded style, like like a Yetti cooler, But it's just

710
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,039
a YETI competitor. But that thing takes up so much

711
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,880
real estate that if I can help it, I don't

712
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,800
want to take a cooler.

713
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,679
Speaker 4: So it's all dry goods.

714
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: They coolers take up a lot of space and.

715
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,519
Speaker 1: They're heavy, yes, but you can leave them outside because

716
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:25,360
they're bear safe.

717
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is true.

718
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: But man, even just like the packing, you know, like

719
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,599
with what gear I can bring. So I just try

720
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,840
to do all dry goods. And then the only cooking

721
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,119
I do is boiling water and pouring it into something

722
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,599
like a mountain house or oatmeal or something like that.

723
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,480
But so occasionally, like if Emily goes, I'll bring the

724
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:45,559
cooler and like do fancier food. But for the most part,

725
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,960
it's all dry goods. And like I said, I mean

726
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:50,519
like a frigging squirrel out there.

727
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I was thinking even if these coolers,

728
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,400
as I mentioned are bear safe. I tend to put

729
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,480
mine inside the rig because I sleep outside, usually on

730
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,639
the ground or something like that if I if the

731
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,480
weather's cooperative, or inside of a tent, but I prefer

732
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,679
to sleep on the ground. But I tend to put

733
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,199
the coolers away anyway, because even if I did sleep,

734
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,480
like say, if I had a truck, you know, like

735
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:11,880
you Boba, or I could sleep in the back of

736
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,760
a fore Runner like you met, I don't know if

737
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,880
I could relax enough to sleep if I knew a

738
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,360
bear was puzzling about how to get into my cooler

739
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,559
outside my rig all night.

740
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it just.

741
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,639
Speaker 1: Kind of like probably stressed me out to some sort

742
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:25,519
of some level that I wouldn't be able to sleep

743
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:27,320
at least, you know, like knowing there's a bear right

744
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,199
outside trying to get my food. Bears are a pain man,

745
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,480
that they are.

746
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,079
Speaker 2: So this is from a good buddy of mine and

747
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,239
a pigeon, but he's sent it into the regular channel,

748
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,679
So I guess this is for the regular listenership. And

749
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,440
so here's the next written question.

750
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: For you, Cliff Okay, Kevin Mays asks, since the Relictomenoid

751
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,400
Inquiry site is still live, through Idaho State, but appears

752
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,519
not to have been updated with doctor Meldrum's passing. Does

753
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,920
anyone know whether the RhI will continue as an active

754
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,360
scholarly resource. What happened with the eight foot three D

755
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,639
printed ask watch skeleton that doctor Meldrim had made. Okay, Well,

756
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,960
first of all, the RhI, I don't think it's going

757
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,719
to continue taking submissions or anything, which is unfortunate because

758
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,400
I know that there were some people pinning submissions for

759
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,840
it at the time of doctor Meldrim's passing. From what

760
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,079
I understand, Darby Orcutt has expressed some interest in taking

761
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,519
the articles that were there and archiving them and housing

762
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,679
them at North Carolina State University. I don't know how

763
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,400
far that conversation has gone. Darby and I had a

764
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,679
conversation about it at one point, and I think I

765
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:32,760
put them in the right direction to speak to people

766
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,639
at the university. I'm not sure if anything ever came

767
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:38,000
from that or not. I'm also not involved in any

768
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,480
of that really, so except for like I have doctor

769
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Meldrim's possessions, but I'm not really involved in the RhI.

770
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,559
Wasn't on the board of directors or anything or anything

771
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,440
like that. So I think these kinds of questions might

772
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,599
be best directed towards individuals who were on the board at

773
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,559
some point, or maybe even our Idaho State. But I

774
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:57,519
think for now we just keep our heads down and

775
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,679
enjoy that Idaho State is still housing it on their website.

776
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,840
Because we draw too much attention to it, maybe they're

777
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,519
going to take it down.

778
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: Just so people know, all those links, they're just links

779
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,960
to the PDF. So you can download all those papers yourself.

780
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,480
If you're worried about them disappearing, you know, Kevin or

781
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,800
whoever else is listening.

782
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 7: Just download them all. I have them all on my

783
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,599
hard drive for that reason, just in case. So yeah,

784
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:20,559
it'd probably be a good idea to do that. And

785
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:22,480
as far as what happened with the eight foot three

786
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,920
D printed Sasquatch skeleton that doctor Meldrum kind of helped

787
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,679
with for that TV production, well, there's a there's a

788
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,199
couple of things about that that I want to get

789
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960
pretty straight here, is that doctor Meldrum didn't really help

790
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,679
very much with the making of that. What he did

791
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,840
is he supplied Gigantipithecus Blackie skull, the reconstruction that doctor

792
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,199
Krantz had made at some point, but the skeleton itself

793
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,519
was actually just an enlarged Neanderthal skeleton. It was not,

794
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,559
in fact something that doctor Meldrum kind of made and

795
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,679
designed based on his anatomical knowledge. He told me that

796
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,880
he would have done it differently than the TV production

797
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,840
company made. So the production company they just got on

798
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,320
the Neanderthal you know skeleton, I guess the three D

799
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,000
printed basically and to a larger proportion. And then doctor

800
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,960
Meldrim did tell me it was very, very impressive. He

801
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:14,960
really enjoyed it.

802
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,039
Speaker 1: And when they when they see they TV is all

803
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:23,199
about the reveal and having emotions and seeing the surprise

804
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,679
in people's eyes and all that kind of stuff. You know,

805
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,679
it resonates with the viewers really well. So they didn't

806
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,239
let doctor Meldrim help with the design process because they

807
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,039
wanted doctor Meldrum's initial and legitimate response to seeing this

808
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,000
skeleton for the first time, so they didn't allow him

809
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,119
to participate in designing it and using his in depth

810
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,559
knowledge of what a biped of that size and make

811
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,719
should look like. I wish they would have. I think

812
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,599
Jeff probably even wished they would have, because it would

813
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,039
have been very different. I think it would have been

814
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,960
much more ostrola pitthescene in nature than something like a Neanderthal,

815
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,679
which is pretty far along on the human evolutionary timeline.

816
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: There.

817
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: Sasquatches clearly aren't something that's recent. They're very very archaic,

818
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,920
I guess, in nature and anatomy. But the production company

819
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,199
kept the skeleton. It's out there somewhere. Meldrum never had it.

820
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,360
He was allowed to see it and comment on it,

821
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,599
and they filmed them doing so for that production, but

822
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,280
that was not in Jeff's possessions at all. So the

823
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,199
production company still has possession of it, that's my understanding.

824
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,239
What they're doing with it, who knows? Probably nothing, because

825
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,000
production companies are like that. Production companies want everything and

826
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,000
then don't do anything with it. This is what my

827
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,519
experience is. Even our production company wanted those casts from

828
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,760
Georgia that we got on Finding Bigfoot, and I knew

829
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,639
they weren't going to do anything with it, so and

830
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:48,519
it was so disappointing, and that just like they did

831
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:52,119
with the Josh Gates Edi print. I think that the

832
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,119
production company has that somewhere, but it's not on display

833
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:56,679
in their offices, so who knows where it is?

834
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I don't know.

835
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: They always want things but don't do anything with because

836
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,280
their attention span is on making money some other way

837
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,159
with some other productions.

838
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,119
Speaker 4: So who knows.

839
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be donated to my museum someday. That would

840
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000
be cool. So if you know anybody involved in that production,

841
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,280
just launching nudge in that direction and say, you know

842
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,960
who needs to have this. North American big Foot Center

843
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,119
needs to have this. But anyway, that's the answer for you, Kevin,

844
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,519
right on.

845
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 4: So here you go, Bobes.

846
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: Here's the next written question, Don Henderson, do you ever

847
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,400
find bigfoot tracks that are narrow? I saw footprints in

848
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,360
the seventies along a creek that were long but narrow.

849
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,519
My size shoe size is thirteen and these are forses

850
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:36,800
longer than mine. It was in a remote area in

851
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,440
early March and note northeast Oklahoma. Yeah, I found I

852
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,920
found those tracks in two thousand when it was a

853
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,400
BFR report as up going up Redwood Creek outside there

854
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,760
a Row National Park there in Oric, and was hiking

855
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,719
up with Koreta and we were going up the creek

856
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,719
just looking for Prince and sure enough like there was

857
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,920
these five long like f fifteen and a half inch

858
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,559
tracks that were in the gravel that were perfect. You

859
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:06,960
can see all five toes. They weren't deep, but you

860
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
could see him clearly, and two of them were really good.

861
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,719
But now they were narrow they were Yeah, they weren't even.

862
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,039
They were like barely five inches wide at the widest,

863
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:18,880
and they were like fifteen and a half inches long.

864
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: Well, that could be from any number of interactions with

865
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,039
the ground too. There might have been some sliding involved,

866
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,400
that might have been just maybe the foot fly okay, well,

867
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,559
maybe the foot was superinnated in some sort of way,

868
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,599
giving like walking on the outside of the of the

869
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,480
edge of the foot in some sort of way. I mean,

870
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,400
there's a lot of reasons why tracks could be narrower

871
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,039
than one expects. Although five inches that's pretty wide. You

872
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,239
would expect like six or seven inches for a fifteen

873
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,519
inch track or something. But it's not significantly narrower than

874
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,599
one could expect too for some bobo's case. Now, this

875
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,920
is what Don Hendron, by the way, Hendron is his

876
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,280
last name, Don Hendron saying here that he saw tracks

877
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,079
that were very, very narrow. Remember again, I'll say it,

878
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,719
I say it all the time. Footprints, I mean the

879
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,480
ground are not the shape of the foot through the

880
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,440
shape of the damaged under the ground by the foot.

881
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,039
So you have to think about how that foot might

882
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,719
have interacted with the ground. Maybe it's sliding, maybe it's

883
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,199
skimming the top, maybe it's maybe the animals walking on

884
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,159
the outside of the foot. Maybe just didn't impressed very deeply.

885
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:18,599
Speaker 4: Who knows.

886
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Any number of factors go into making a footprint, probably

887
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,559
hundreds of different factors going to making a footprint shape

888
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:27,159
in the ground in that one half second or something

889
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,199
like that, that the foot is in contact with the ground,

890
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,599
So always keep that in mind. Maybe and on top

891
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:34,599
of it, maybe the foot was narrow. One of the

892
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,679
things doctor Meldrums and I were talking about towards the end,

893
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:41,760
there is a sexually dimorphic trait in footprints. Just to review,

894
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,719
Sexually dimorphic means that boys and girls have different shapes

895
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,440
of things, like boys are bigger in primates than they

896
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,119
are the girl primates are, but in great white sharks,

897
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,159
females are larger. So those are sexually dimorphic traits. There's

898
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,840
a speculation by John Bendernoggle that like longer canine teeth

899
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,920
might be a sexually dimorphic trait. Even the presence of

900
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,800
sagural cress and larger individuals could be a considered a

901
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,400
sexually dimorphic trait, like it is in gorillas, for example.

902
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,159
But one of the things about footprints that doctor Melgrim

903
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,079
and I were discussing towards the end is that Jeff

904
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,679
was suggesting that a sexually dimorphic trait visible in footprints

905
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,920
would be a narrower foot. If you look at any

906
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,440
number of Sasquatch feet, one of the things that jump

907
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,480
out is as some are quite a bit wider than others,

908
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,280
and the larger ones seem to be the widest of all.

909
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,199
So he was hypothesizing that a sexually dimorphic trait is

910
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,880
a narrower foot in Sasquatch females. Now you combine that

911
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:41,519
with other variables that go into making a footprint that

912
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:44,639
I mentioned earlier, then some very very narrow ones are

913
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:49,360
indeed possible. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with

914
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,199
Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages.

915
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,079
Speaker 3: Here's a good finding big Foot question for you.

916
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, Nolan Gasner asks were there times on finding

917
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,559
Bigfoot where you guys really did hear something sasquatch or not,

918
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,760
but the microphones didn't pick it up. So the producers

919
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,960
added sounds to the episodes to allow the audience to

920
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:20,239
better understand what you heard. I asked, because in some

921
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,719
episodes the audio that has heard during night investigations sounds

922
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,599
really clear, while you guys say that you're hearing it

923
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:30,320
from very far away and faintly. I know that audio

924
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,880
can be enhanced, but sometimes it still sounds maybe too clear. Thanks.

925
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,159
I wouldn't be surprised if they did that.

926
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: Well they played. They would play like stupid sounds, like

927
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,679
special effects sounds over like what we were trying to

928
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,679
listen to, because they thought it out of drama I disorder.

929
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,960
That drove everyone crazy. No one thought it was a

930
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,679
good idea. But except for the editors.

931
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that music and like the spooky nighttime stuff.

932
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,599
They would put that over there. Yeah, and I know

933
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,440
sometimes they did do they did. I do a fair

934
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,480
amount of work on the faint vocalizations that the mics

935
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:06,239
picked up and then tried to make them louder in

936
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,840
the mix. I know that happened a fair amount because

937
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
when we were out, you know, our sound guy grams

938
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,320
or whoever else that we had on, you know, as

939
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,760
the sound person on that particular episode, they were walking

940
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,320
around with a microphone, a boom mic, and sometimes another microphone,

941
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,199
you know, and I generally had mine out. I generally

942
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,079
had mine in my backpack, and sometimes my microphone.

943
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:27,559
Speaker 3: My little recorder.

944
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: Recorded things better than the fancy audio gear that the

945
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
production was using, so I would send my audio clip

946
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,119
to the production and then they would use that instead.

947
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,639
I'm not aware of any specific time that they actually

948
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:45,800
introduced an artificial hoaxed sound, especially after, you know, maybe

949
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,559
in season one or something, because season one was that

950
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,639
bumpy road that we kind of fixed, and after season

951
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,440
one the show became much more legitimate, you know, in

952
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,320
every single way, you know, because they know that we

953
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
were so adamant against hoaxing and introduced se fake evidence

954
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,800
of any sort. I would be surprised. I wouldn't be

955
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,119
too surprised, but I'd be pretty surprised if they were

956
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,280
pulling shenanigans like that in season two on. It's possible

957
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,679
because you had to remember that we were out there

958
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,599
filming a lot, and many many months generally passed between

959
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,760
us filming something and it making the air at least

960
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,880
three or four generally, because it takes about three months

961
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,199
or more to edit together one in any of these episodes.

962
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,199
So many months and many adventures had gone under the

963
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,599
bridge between actually hearing a sound on one particular night

964
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:35,760
and when the episode made the air and we could

965
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,599
watch it ourselves. And I think sometimes like we just

966
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,239
I know for me at least, I cause I think

967
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,000
I had some of the same doubts as Nolan here.

968
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,079
Sometimes when I heard a vocalization, I said, well, man,

969
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,119
I don't remember it sounding that good, you know, and

970
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,360
thinking back on things, it might have just been an enhancement.

971
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,079
Maybe they pulled some shenanigans. I don't really know, But

972
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,000
I do know that if we say, if we said,

973
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:00,079
I should say, if we said we heard something and

974
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,519
we said it on air, it's the truth.

975
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: We never lied. We just didn't.

976
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: This is not what we did, because that was part

977
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,679
of the agreement with the production company and the network.

978
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,199
More importantly, if we said we heard something we did,

979
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:16,199
we could be incorrect. Maybe it wasn't a sasquatch and

980
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,360
we interpreted as such. You know that that stuff happens.

981
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,440
But if we said we heard something we did. Now

982
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,719
whether or not that actual recording is exactly what we heard.

983
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,360
I don't know.

984
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:26,559
Speaker 4: I just don't know.

985
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,159
Speaker 1: That was so long ago, and even when we were

986
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:30,719
hearing it for the first time, I'm not sure that

987
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,800
I remembered that specific night. So well, I don't know, Bob,

988
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,920
does you have anything to add to that.

989
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It was confusing, but they

990
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,320
didn't make it clear what they added in and what

991
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,800
we were trying to listen to a lot of the time,

992
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:46,480
and I know that that caused a lot of confusion.

993
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,320
But generally speaking, they couldn't hear what we were hearing

994
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,320
like they could. It didn't record what we were hearing

995
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,559
because there's these little tiny lapel mics.

996
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what That's when I we really leaned heavily

997
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,840
upon my recording device that I would take out with

998
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,239
And yeah, I know that my stuff captured a lot

999
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,559
more than the lapel mics did. And then occasionally the

1000
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,840
boom mic that you know, Andy or whoever was carrying. Yeah,

1001
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,079
but you know something, But I think more often than not,

1002
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,159
the vocalizations that we heard sounded better in person than

1003
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:14,880
you heard on the air.

1004
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for sure. And that Washington versus Canada or

1005
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,440
US versus Canada. When I was doing my solo camp

1006
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,320
with Flippy, the stuff we heard that night was so

1007
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,639
crazy and it was so loud like that we thought

1008
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,440
for like, there's no way we didn't have it all.

1009
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,280
It turned out we didn't. It didn't pick up almost

1010
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,039
anything like and it was like we just we were

1011
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,760
in shock. We had four recorders out and nothing picked

1012
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,360
it up, like barely, you barely hear a little bit

1013
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,440
of a sound was like echoing through the forest.

1014
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's strange how it's really dramatic. Actually, I

1015
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,719
guess the difference between a human ear and an electronic ear.

1016
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,280
You know, we just hear things so much better in

1017
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,960
the field than we do on air. And when they

1018
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:00,960
add the music and all that sort of nonsense on

1019
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,800
top of it too, it really compounds the problem.

1020
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,159
Speaker 3: But it is what it is.

1021
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: Well I should say it was what it was, man,

1022
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,840
because finding Bigfoot's long over, so.

1023
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so certain how to remember all that stuff about

1024
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,480
that so long?

1025
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:15,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big blur.

1026
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: Well, here is the last question for you, and it's

1027
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,119
one we've covered a number of times. We did a

1028
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,480
whole episode about it, but we get asked it a lot,

1029
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:24,920
so I know that it's worth revisiting.

1030
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,079
Speaker 4: But here's the last question for you, Bobes.

1031
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: Gary White, has any lap tested for Big fifteen night

1032
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,599
and said this is it? Well, yeah, but they didn't

1033
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:36,159
prove it. Yeah, they've said this is it.

1034
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: They didn't demonstrate that this was it.

1035
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, There's been a lot of claims along those lines,

1036
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,360
but clearly they've been wrong or inconclusive every single time

1037
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,440
because sasquatches are still in the realm of mystery animals.

1038
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,320
If it was real, that wouldn't be the case anymore,

1039
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,239
would it.

1040
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:54,599
Speaker 3: Again?

1041
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: The only game in town and from mine or sand,

1042
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,719
the only game that ever was is Darby or Cut.

1043
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,639
All DNA efforts and samples should be funneled to him

1044
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,679
because it's the only time in all Bigfoot history that

1045
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,960
university is backing up the results. So and Darby has

1046
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,199
done his darndas to track down every other rumor of

1047
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,800
DNA testing and this and that and samples and stuff,

1048
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,440
and generally speaking, his findings after going to going down

1049
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,119
all these rabbit holes on DNA's that the vast majority

1050
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:30,039
of them didn't even exist. They were just rumors. But

1051
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,559
there's no evidence that the testing was done, and then

1052
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,360
there's a couple that had been done but the data

1053
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,719
is not available, so it's just like not having been

1054
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,119
done in the first place. So yeah, the only game

1055
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:41,960
in town is Derby, and it seems like that was

1056
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,880
probably the only game in town ever really with any

1057
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,760
sort of accountability.

1058
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,039
Speaker 2: So yeah, Gary, if you want to go back and

1059
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,920
listen to in September of last year, episode three hundred

1060
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,119
and thirty four, we did an episode called DNA Discovery

1061
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,239
and the Unknown Primate Myth that covered a lot of

1062
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,199
this stuff. So I would recommend going back and listening

1063
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,880
to that one, or for any of the listeners who

1064
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,159
haven't heard that episode.

1065
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 3: That's a great episode.

1066
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 4: But that is the last of the written questions.

1067
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,159
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any anything you want to plug

1068
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,119
or need to plug?

1069
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,159
Speaker 4: Upcoming events, etc.

1070
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be out in Florida, I guess

1071
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,320
in Okalla, Florida and in June on June thirteenth for

1072
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:26,280
the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference. Yeah, it's in the middle

1073
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,559
of June, So if you're in that area and you

1074
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:28,920
want to go check it out, it should be a

1075
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,760
lot of fun. I don't get the Florida very often,

1076
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,679
I'll say that. And as far as speakers, I'm going

1077
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,559
to be there. Polit's is going to be there, the

1078
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:40,159
levely and talented Lyle Blackburn will be there. We have

1079
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,159
a few other people. I mean, RPG is going to

1080
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,000
be there, former producer on Finding Bigfoot, and of course

1081
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,079
we have Scott Nelson who's really into the more Head

1082
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,079
recordings and stuff. We'll probably be talking about that. And

1083
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,639
we also have bef our investigator Lori Wade, who's going

1084
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,079
to be talking about something out there. And those are

1085
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,559
the speakers that I know about, or maybe they're just

1086
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,679
on round tables. I don't really know. I just kind

1087
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,519
of show up and do my things. So those are

1088
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:03,760
the people on the website. Though, if you wanted more information,

1089
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,800
I guess you can go to gatherupevents dot com, slash

1090
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,079
Florida Bigfoot Conference, or just google it. You'll find it.

1091
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:10,800
That's what I did.

1092
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: What about you, Bob, do you have anything you want

1093
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,760
to plug the two b series?

1094
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's uh witness interviews we did there's available

1095
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,960
on to be TV. What's it? What's it called again?

1096
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: I'll link to It's Bobo's Bigfoot Encounters of the Fourth

1097
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:32,320
Kind yeah, that's great. I got done editing yesterday and

1098
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,840
went upstairs and then I was like, let's find something

1099
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:35,960
silly to watch.

1100
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: And so whoa, we pulled up. We pulled up two BE.

1101
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know, like I've got Netflix and HBO Max

1102
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,880
and you know they all all the big Hollywood movies,

1103
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,360
but sometimes we watch like the free like popcorn flicks.

1104
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 3: Two B.

1105
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: So I pulled up two B and of course it

1106
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,280
was like recommendations for you because we always watched cheesy

1107
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,599
sasquatch like horror movies. And it was the first two

1108
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,239
things that popped up were Bobo's Bigfoot Encunter of the

1109
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,920
Fourth Kind and The Bigfoot Project with Seth Breedlove and Cliff.

1110
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,119
So the first two thumbnails I saw were Bubbo and Cliffs.

1111
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:12,280
I was like, I can't escape, No, there's no escape.

1112
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:14,639
I spent all day editing and I was like, it's

1113
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,400
time for a break, and I pulled up an app

1114
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,760
for a mental escape, and there you both were staring

1115
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,039
at me.

1116
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: I guess you can call us a mental challenge.

1117
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1118
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: I will link to that in the show notes, and

1119
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,000
then I'll be speaking to the Alaska Bigfoot Cruise that's

1120
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:30,360
going to be a lot of fun. Link in the

1121
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,039
show notes for that as always. And there's a great

1122
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:34,840
listener of ours, a guy named Dylan who has an

1123
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,400
awesome podcast with some friends of his called Reels of Justice,

1124
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,280
and they do this like mock trial every episode, and

1125
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,320
they bring in someone who knows a thing or two

1126
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,000
about a subject to talk about a movie related to

1127
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,880
that subject very often, and then there's a mock trial

1128
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,119
sort of defending or prosecuting that film as either good

1129
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,719
or bad. So if you were interested in squatchy talk,

1130
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,239
I did a previous episode with them, Reels Justice episode

1131
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,239
four forty one about the Sasquatch, where I had to

1132
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,760
defend Harry and the Henderson's as a good movie. And

1133
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,719
then I was on there that just came out talking

1134
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,360
about a totally different subject where I was prosecuting the

1135
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,239
Bruce Lee film The Game of Death, and we had

1136
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,639
a great Bruce Lee conversation. So go give those guys

1137
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,480
some love and listen a lot of fun doing that podcast.

1138
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: So check that out, all right. So, yes, that's it

1139
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,159
for this week, folks, Thanks for tuning in. We're gonna

1140
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,559
jump over to our picture on Account with the Pigeon Folk,

1141
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:32,039
So you're welcome to join us there, but we appreciate

1142
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,159
you joining us here. Thank you very much, and until

1143
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:40,480
next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.

1144
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,639
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1145
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,280
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1146
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,639
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1150
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,639
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