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Speaker 1: What's happening to Bob's Happy Mother's Day, Cliff, Happy Mother's
Day to you you mother Trucker. How's your mom doing.
Speaker 3: She's doing pretty good. She's eighty six now, but she
still cruises, and she's lives on her own, and she's
doing fine and drives no problem all that stuff, so
that's all good.
Speaker 1: She's so sweet. If you talk to her, today's sender
my love, Okay, well.
Speaker 3: For sure she'll be stoked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: Happy day all them, all the mothers out there listening.
We appreciate you guys tuning in in your special day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course we're recording it on Mother's Day. You'll
hear this long afterwards, or a couple of days afterwards
at least. But you know that does mean we're not
thinking of you. Everybody out there who has spawned, who
has reproduced, well, today we got a Q and a
episode going for May May twenty six. I can't even
believe it. We've been going going for so long now,
this in this podcast, you know, I know we talked
about it last episode or whatever, but it's still it
just blows my mind. Seven years Yeah, insane. Yeah, of
course we did the television show for nine years. We'll
get there eventually too.
Speaker 3: I imagine two years i'd reckoned due according to my math.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did you use your fingers for that? You're
good at math. I guess you probably didn't, didn't even
need Anyhow's nice?
Speaker 4: Nice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a couple of voicemails, we got ever
written questions, so maybe we'll start since the voicemails were
on the lighter side once again, this one. We usually
don't do that many multi part questions, but since we
got a little time and flexibility on a beautiful Sunday here,
I'm gonna throw you this multi part question.
Speaker 4: Do it? Hey, Cliff, Bobo and Matt. My name is Jerry.
Speaker 5: I'm from Pennsylvania. I really enjoyed the Finding Bigfoot episode
where you two investigate the state of Oregon while Matt
em Rene investigated Washington. I just wanted to ask and
see if you guys still hold true to that belief
that Oregon is the squatchiest state in the US. Other
than that, I would love to know your top five
squatchiest states. Thank you so much, guys, love the podcast.
Take care and keep it squatchy.
Speaker 3: Excellent question. I kind of put Oregon in Washington in
the same category, really, I mean, just as the excellent
A plus states. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a hard time saying something is the most.
I'm not a big fan of superlatives on that sort
of way, you know, in that sort of way, because
once you say something is the best, the most, the whatever,
more than everything else, it automatically discounts everything else. And gosh,
the Pacific Northwest in general, you know, it is just
so good. But Oregon and Washington, even though there's just
a river separating into two states, they are remarkably different
in a lot of ways. It's kind of stunning in
some ways how different it is. You know, you go
over on the other the north side of the Columbia
over to Gibbrid Pinchot National Forest and it just, I
don't know, it just feels elkier or something. You know,
there's a different flavor to the forests there. It's amazing
what that river does. But they are so similar in
so many ways. I obviously prefer Oregon because that's where
I live, and that's also part of the reason I
chose to live here, I bet, Bobo. I mean, what
are your thoughts, Bobo? I mean, you live in northern California.
You must think that's probably as squatchy as anywhere too, right.
Speaker 3: I've given up to you guys, like a little bit
just a notch above.
Speaker 1: Is it because we're just wetter up here in a
drier climate down there? Or what do you think?
Speaker 3: I think that's probably like that's that's a I think
probably the biggest part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because we all know, based on the work
done by John green Back in the nineteen seventies, the
more rain an area gets, the general trend is that
more sasquatch reports come out of that area. Then it
probably has to do with, you know, like plant cover
and all that sort of stuff, just plant life and
animal life therefore that comes from it and all that
sort of stuff. But I'm not sure I would come
down hard on the statement like Oregon is the squatchiest state.
You know that that might have been played up a
bit for the television show, might have been done by
the editors. I don't remember exactly, but yeah, that was yeah,
because you know, we're a little competition. You had to
get the stakes higher and you had to have a
little bluster, as competitions tend to have, you know. But
as far as our top five squatchiest states, well, Oregon, California,
and Washington are up there in no particular order, and
Tennessee for me, Kentucky See, I'd put Kentucky in there,
but before Tennessee personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kentucky, Kentucky, Tennessee. I mean that whole zone right there,
like western North Carolina, West Virginia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might put West Virginia on that map too
for my five. But largely this has a lot more
to do with the number of bigfooters and bigfoot researchers
that live there.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, squat Alaska? Oh yeah, sure, sure, Alaska has to Yeah,
So who would we bump? I guess we bump West.
I would bump either, well, I don't know, probably Kentucky.
I'd have to bump Kentucky out of there to put
in Alaska.
Speaker 3: I guess I got Oregon, Washington, California, Alaska, and then shoot,
you got western come down in West Virginia Kentucky. For me,
I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And out of those two, I think more
of West Virginia is suitable habitat than Kentucky. Probably, That's
what i'd say. Yeah, so I'd probably have to go
West Virginia on that one. Nothing personal to our good
friends out there in Kentucky or Ohio or anywhere else
for that matter, you know, where there's a ton of stuff.
But these states I think are probably have the best
habitat for them and probably the most habitat for them.
Speaker 4: I would get.
Speaker 3: Charlie Raymond seeding right now.
Speaker 1: It's okay, Charlie knows we love them. Yeah. I suppose
that's the answer to that one, although he did say states,
because if you branched out to Canada, I would say
British Columbia crushes everything else. There's no competition. I think
British Columbia is probably the squatchiest place on the planet period.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I don't think there's any debate on that.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I couldn't imagine they're being you know,
and you think, oh, well, you know, Alaska's right, that
a skinny part of Alaska that comes down and say, okay, sure,
but really that's basically British Columbia. Yeah, so I guess
maybe Alaska if you count that little skinny part along
the coast, you know, so handhandle is that what they
call it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So there you go. There
you go, Matt Prue, you're lurking around back there. Do
you have anything to add to that, any thoughts or
any states that we might be overlooking.
Speaker 2: I really loved Utah, and you know, not all of
Utah is squatchy, but the portions of it that are
are super squatchy. You know, there's a lot of reports
for that being you know, such a restricted area. It's
a vast area, but within the boundaries of the state
a restricted area, and so you know, of a smaller
state population and fewer researchers, but it produces a lot.
So I think that's a good one. Obviously, the Washatas,
so maybe I guess you were between the two. I'd
probably say Arkansas because you have the Ozarks and then
that little subset of the Ozarks called the Boston Mountains,
and then all the Washataws, and then a lot of
the flatter, sort of swampier areas of the state. Arkansas
is pretty rad at Boggy Creek. Those are the only
ones that come in mind that might be, you know, overlooked.
I'd love to say Georgia, but you know, I don't
think it compares in terms of like the sheer numbers.
And I love Georgia, It's home. North Georgia is great.
There's the parts of the state that produce reports too,
but in terms of southern apple atch, it's kind of
hard to beat western North Carolina. But yeah, I would
add to your list Utah, Arkansas, m.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take that.
Speaker 2: Montana, Wyoming are awesome, but I won't be squashing there
because I don't like grizzlies that much.
Speaker 1: No, and I'm not interested in tangling with grizzlies at all.
Someone just got killed by when I saw.
Speaker 4: In the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in Glacier National Park.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Montana. Yeah, hopefully that answers Jerry's question. And
this is going to be a great question to record
on Mother's Day because this is a strategy that any
responsible mother would consider.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go and read this one first. Bobes if
you don't mind. It comes from Patrick Jones and he asks,
has anyone ever used newborn or pre crawling human children
to lure a sasquatch in outside the wildlife risk? A
baby seems like prime sasquatch bait, I asked, because indigenous
peoples tell story concerning the abduction of children who wander
or are left unattended.
Speaker 4: Anybody got a baby? Actually borrow? You can make your own. Man.
Speaker 2: There was a guy that I knew who got I
think it was like a monkey baby, though it was
some sort of like faux baby, and he put a
speaker at like a Bluetooth speaker and had crying baby
sounds in it and put it in there. He was
pretty convinced that was gonna work, and spoiler alert, it
did not work.
Speaker 1: Monkey Baby is a great band name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when when Jamie Jay and I saw that one
that was done by Lauderman and Bard and Bluff, we
were playing baby Crying Baby over the app.
Speaker 2: But to answer Patrick, has anyone ever used an actual baby,
a newborn or pre crawling human child?
Speaker 1: I would hope nobody has, so would I. Yeah, And
if they have, I mean that's something seriously to call,
you know, Child Protective Services about parent.
Speaker 3: Of the year, it's obviously the dad doing that stuff,
the father of the.
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, because what would that even look like? It
would just leave it out for keep an eye on it,
because dude, there's owls, there's coyotes. There's a lot more
of all sorts of these critters, and there are sasquatches.
Speaker 4: No matter what I mean, coyote.
Speaker 3: Would be the worst that I'd be like the number
one fear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know. I mean if to
use one as a lure, I mean it would be
a sound. You would probably use a sound, and certainly
sounds of babies have been used many many times, and
I'm sure that many households that have a baby in
its crying probably have attracted a sasquatch or two over
the over the years. It would have to be the
vocalizations of the baby. I think that would lure it in,
because if it's a visual thing, then you're actually literally
endangering your child, I think, because what else can see it,
because like I said, there's a lot more of other
animals than there are sasquatches. Yeah, I've certainly used babies
crying as as as a possible attractant. I've never had
any luck as far as I know with it. Maybe
one came in and looked, and I don't know, maybe
they didn't. I have no idea. I can't tell, but
I know that it's been used many times. I know
that after about an hour or two of listening to
a baby cry on a recording, it does something weird
to my psyche. It feels weird to me. I don't
like it because we are actually genetically I guess programmed
to not like that noise, so I personally don't like
doing it. I'd rather have a peaceful, quiet night in
the woods and listening to shrieking child on a recorder.
Speaker 2: I was just hearing a lecture about habituation and how
the way that our minds or our brains make things
relevant or irrelevant. To make a very long story short,
I have to like dig into the whole lecture to
get it verbatim. But essentially, you can desensitize people to
certain cues, things like white noise or other sounds, but
they found, like, for example, crying babies, you could never
that never becomes irrelevant.
Speaker 4: To the human brain.
Speaker 2: It's basically impossible to make that sound something that you
do not automatically involuntarily respond to physiologically or neurophysiologically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, it is hardwired.
Speaker 3: You could ignore it. So you've been on a plane
and been able to ignore it? Yep, yeah, right, No
one can ignore that on a plane. I did. I've
had him right in front of me, right next to me,
just screaming, and I do pretty good for the first
few hours. Now I get a little sick of it.
Speaker 1: But well, I can see how Bubble might desensitize himself
because he's literally had a tooth knocked out by a
baby before.
Speaker 3: Oh is that how that happened?
Speaker 4: Way, gather around.
Speaker 3: It's almost story, dude, he don't see some things that
will blow me o my classic.
Speaker 2: He's lying.
Speaker 4: He's going a cute kill me.
Speaker 3: On skin.
Speaker 2: It's bubo story. Any description of felonious or criminal activity
is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes, and is
in no way admission of guilt or even true for
that matter.
Speaker 3: It was like when the show first, like was very first.
It was like the first week it came out, like
or second week maybe like when it was when first
people first started to stop me. It was like real,
like really early when that was happening, and it was
like this full I found up the guy Sam it's
called adene Can. It's it's h Windc. It's like it's
it's just it like people watching. It's like people of
Walmart times ten. Yeah, we have Windcos up here. I
heard a comedian make a joke about Windcos one time,
because it's a supermarket that's pretty low prices, one of
those places you bag your own groceries and stuff, and
that I like going there. I love going there, but
the comedian said that, like that place is pretty sketchy,
like they don't have aisles, they have alleys. That thinkes
that's that's it. So I'm walking in and this lady
because it seems she's like it's like full, just like
tweaker looking lady with like these like you know, I
was being nice, but like just the kids were like
it's hard to you don't want to judge kids with her,
but I mean they're just all dirty and like you
can tell they weren't like to have the desk home
life whatever. Like you know, the mom was just tweaker
and she's like, oh, take a picture with my kids,
you know, and there was like four kids whatever, and
she hands me this like three and a half year old,
three year old whatever. It was pretty big. It was
like you could walk and talk as a boy. And
just like that Simpsons baby, you know that evil baby
on the Simpsons, that's like Maggie's nemesis. Yeah, it was
like that. And the kids just glaring at me and
like and then I'm like okay, And I was kind
of I was trying to get somewhere too, Like we
were really home for like a you know, a short while,
and I was trying to get my all my errands
and chores done. I was taking off from like ten
weeks whatever. So I'm sitting there like like you know,
posey with these kids. You know, I got and I
think I'm getting ring warm and lis and all this stuff.
When I'm sitting there, like these kids all hanging on me,
like all their lapsed on me, and I'm holding like
the toddler and then the kids just glaring like not smiling,
and the mom was like a smile, you know to
the little kid. And at this point has been like
five minutes, which is a long time to be like comfortable,
you know, and just like tweaker lady like making a
scene and yelling at the kids like you know, like
stay in this way like this, and then I'm like,
you know, just take the picture, please take the picture.
And she strumbled around with this flip phone for like
five minutes. But anyways, I was holding the kid, start
trying to basce a little bit, like in a little bounce,
like heybuddy, you know we need a smile, and he
just looks at me and glares even more and just
headbuts me in the face. And he's like I was
seeing stars like it was like a full it was.
He nailed me, like super hard, super fast. He was.
He was a pretty big. He wasn't a baby. He
was like you know, toddler of ever, like two three
year old, two to two and a half, three and
a half something like that.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Say head mest me in the face and I go
to put him down, and I just I just did
it really quick and let go. Probably he was about
six inches off the ground and it looked like I
threw him, but I just kind of put I was
moving fast, and then I just let go of him
and he landed at like kind of leaning backwards on
his feet and like just kept going and it looked
like I just threw his kid to the ground. Like
if you if you were just like walking by, like
not paying attention, you just saw also this little kid
throwing on the ground and start screaming, and it just
looked like I picked up this kid and then threw
him on the ground. So like the mom's yelling at me,
and it turned into this whole scene like you were
like what did you do? Like the a couple people
were walking by were like, like, you just do that kid,
And I was like, no, I didn't. He just hit
me in the face and and like, yeah, I instantly
got like I was getting my lip was swelling up
and I had a fat lip, and if she just
knocked out, like I'm kind of like I'm dazed a
little bit. You know, he nailed me good like my
other chief got loosened up on each side of it.
And yeah, so that was.
Speaker 1: My fight with a three year old. This is quite
the Mother's Day episode. Well, you know, I can see
why you might be a little callous towards some young
humans in that sort of way because you've had a
couple of bad experiences with them. So I maybe it
is possible for Bobo to tune that out. His psychological
strength just overwhelms all genetic programming and it's like, oh,
cry away, suck it up, buttercup.
Speaker 2: See, I actually didn't even know that story. And so,
once again to tease our membership, if you remember, you
would have just recently heard that Bobo survived very close
encounters with both Lyle Alzado and Howie Long, but he
was bested by a three and a half year old
Todd in a wind goow.
Speaker 1: Well that's for those football players, and that's a future raider.
Speaker 2: Well hopefully that answers Patrick's question with a resounding no,
and for a good reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I did find what. I found out
that the camera wasn't the camera wasn't a camera, and
the phone wasn't a camera. I did find that out
right for the kid head butt me, So it was
all for not. Yeah. I was going like, wait, you
don't even have a camera. I go. I was like,
is that even a camera? And she's like then because
I was, I was like, I was getting so frushed
with this tweakerly not being able to take the picture,
I said, I finally stopped some younger person's club back.
I said, please take that photo, because dude, people I
swear of got this. You must have seen this. People
go hey, I get a picture, and like there's like
you're a store, like the airport or whatever, and like sure,
and then they look around and they'll they'll be like
an eighty five year old there and they'll go up
and hand the phone to the oldest person possible that
has no idea what they're doing. And then say started
to you know, you got your arm around him, You
get your arm round into posing and like the person's
funning to the phone line, what what do you do?
Like what what what push? You know? Like did you
notice that, Cliff?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you should always find the youngest person in
the room, right, and then they will take the best
picture by far.
Speaker 3: That's why I had to stopped by. Like when I
was going by, I stopped this one, like, you know,
like twenty year old chick. I'm like, please take this
picture from her. And I told the lady, like just
give her the phone, like you just give her the phone,
and she's and the young girl that she goes this
is this isn't a camera, this is this is.
Speaker 4: Just a phone.
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, that's right. That's why I
looked at the kid and I smiled at him and
he just head but it blasted me in the face.
Speaker 1: Oh that's I kind of like the missing tooth look
though for Bobo on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I got I got my flick tooth
and I had it for one day. Like I paid
this rush order on the on the fake tooth. It
was like four grand or something, and I was like,
I needed for the show whatever. Then we went and
fill that ETV for Joel McHale's This Talk Soup or
the Soup Show whatever. And then Joe and Array, the
comedian was in the big Foot costume. He was flipping
his buddy from back in the day. So we had
like a common friend and so we're shooting this thing
where Bigfoot killed. What did you tore our arms off
or something like?
Speaker 1: I just remember, well, yeah, you and I went looking
at the in the little sketch that we did for
the show, we were looking for a sasquatch and then
one found We found one and then it ripped your
arms off and and there was like a soup fl
a thing or like some sort of like chocolate fountain involved.
Speaker 3: I remember, right, yeah, let me pick out all the
food for like attracting a sasquattion was like just all
this like donuts and chocolate fountain and all that.
Speaker 1: I have pictures of that somewhere. I can dig those
up and maybe post them to the members or something,
if you want.
Speaker 3: The big Foot was supposed to beat me up, and
like I took my new fake thought like it was
on a retainer, and I popped that out and I
set it down, like I remember, I was being careful
with it, and it's just freaking disappeared. And so yeah,
we were. I was covered in fake blood and like
and like and like dried grass bits and like little
twigs and stuff, and like I was totally soaked in
fake blood. And we had to go back to the
we had we had to get some other interviews or something.
So we went back to the office at Ping Pong,
the main office, and I just could run it in.
Speaker 4: I go, I ran in.
Speaker 3: I just ran past the secretary and ran into like
where the executive producers of the owners of the company
were riding Casey. I ran in there and I ran
in like to the main like there's like thirty people.
That's like you know, there's it's like a big office space.
I ran, I said, I said, don't tell the cops
from here. I was like, I was like, I said,
yelled something about a dead body, and I said, anyone
tells the cops.
Speaker 4: Here, I'll kill him.
Speaker 3: Then I ran into the bathroom and started washing it up,
and they came in there so horrified, like I remember
some remember Casey coming in with someone else, like super nervous,
like eyes all big wing. What happened? Well, like I
had to kill that son of a bitch. They're like
I'm in the washing, I'm making a mess, like I'm
trashing their about them, like fake blood everywhere, and that.
It was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm sending some of these pictures out to you.
You put those on the membership side of things, and
of course, all the listeners out there, this is not
a membership episode, but if you would like to be
a member, it might be a good idea because you
get every episode this one included with zero advertisements at all.
Matt scrubs everything out of there and you get this
on a weekly basis, and you also get another whole
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Everybody seems to enjoy it. We call our members the pigeons.
Maybe you want to be a pigeon too, So come
on over. It's five bucks a month. It's a lot
of fun and you get to see all these pictures
and extra videos and doodads and whatever that we post
that see. Everybody seems to really enjoy.
Speaker 2: So, and you're gonna want to hear Bobo's Lao Alzato story.
I do have to say, look into these pictures. First
of all, Joan Array then went on to do the
Netflix reboot of Mystery Science Theater, which is awesome. And
also he's wearing on Suka Tigers, my favorite shoes in
this picture of him in the sasquat suit. So good
for you, Joanahray on multiple fronts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a jarrific blood. Yeah, he tore my throat
out too. That's when he tore my throat out. I
died gurgling blood on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a fun day. It was It was
like really, honestly, Bobo, one of the pinnacles of your
acting career.
Speaker 3: It was. That's why I thought I was a better
actor than when we went to go do that Momo movie. Yeah,
and then I saw the results. Cliff was better. You know.
Speaker 1: It's a give and take, it's a dance between us both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: So here is the next written question for you, Bobo
Richard Solomon. Why do you think no Sasquatchman's have been
found up on the Brea Tar pitch? Have you had
any contact with John Reives from the Alaskan Bonyard about
any possible revenge she might have found? Keep it squashy.
I've written to John Reeves like several times, never heard
anything back.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think he'd let you know from what I've
of all of the interviews I've seen with him, anything
that has to do with possible Homo remains. He's just
like he implied that they just put those back on
the ground whatever, so not to deal with getting shut
down by the government and having them come in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the implication for sure. But yeah, he
never explicitly stated that. He just smiled and said like, no,
we never have and I don't think we ever will.
And then went on to explain how that would either
the discovery of anything human like would shut everything down
and basically hand the whole site over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lebretta tarpis the squashes were too smart to
get stuck in that thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean humans, they have recovered human remains out
of there.
Speaker 3: Humans are stupid.
Speaker 1: No, that's true.
Speaker 4: I've been to the Liberry Tarpits. It was super cool.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to remember the a full time span there.
Is it like just applies to scene site or is
it like Miacene places. Is it lots of like a
long long span of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know. I don't really know, But
you know what, Grizzly bears are well known to have been,
you know, down in the low lands of southern California,
which is why all the native settlements at the time
were up on those ridges, you know, like where current
day Long Beach State is or cal State Domingus. Like,
those are the places where the most of the native
people lived up on these hills, and it was mostly
because down below on the flatter lands, number one grizzly
bears roun pretty freely. Number two floods would come and
wipe out villages all the time, you know, like almost yearly,
the Los Angeles River and the San Gabriel River would
flood dramatically. In fact, I became very interested in Southern
California natural history, especially towards the end of my stay
down there. Like the Los Angeles River now is enclosed
into a cement trough basically for the vast majority of it,
with the flood control basically is what it is, because
that thing would flood every single year, and any of
our listeners in Southern California it might be impressed with this.
Even today, there are small pockets of marshes along the
four to five Freeway in the vicinity of those giant
oil rigs and torrents and all that sort of stuff,
kind of near the one ten Freeway where those two
freeways cross. There's even there's small little marshes that even
persist today, and those are leftovers from when the Los
Angeles River would fluctuate its bed pathway dramatically year to
ear meant, you know, sometimes it would go this one direction,
then the next year a flood would happen, and then
the mouth of it would be somewhere else the next year,
and it left behind marshes. Something like sixty to sixty
five percent of southern California was actually wetlands at one point,
and now it's just like this cement wasteland, you know.
But at one point it was just this thriving ecosystem.
Of course, Los Angeles River sometimes would empty in in
Long Beach, empty into the ocean in Long Beach, and
other years it would even go northwards north of San
Pedro Peninsula and empty in Redondo. That's how widely the
mouth of the river would fluctuate year to year. So
native people didn't build down there. Now, getting back to
the Sasquatch thing and LaBrea tarpits and whatever else, it's
very possible that that just wasn't good habitat for Sasquatches,
even though they had access to it. Maybe it just
wasn't their preferred habitat and they preferred it in a
preferred a cooler sort of higher elevation temperature in the
San Gabriel Mountains or something like that. It's entirely possible
that it could be as simple as that. But apparently
there was a fair amount of animals that are not
represented in the fossil finds at the LaBrea tarpits that
we know lived in the area. But also on a
side note, down there, I went to cal State Long
Beach and that's up on a hill above Anaheim Bay,
I think it is, And it was a I couldn't
imagine a better place for a Native settlement to develop there.
It was just fantastic because a short jaunt away you
had this eco system, you know, the bay area, the
estuaries and whatnot, and just food was ridiculously abundant at
one point. And there's a Native settlement up there called Pavugna,
if I remember correctly, So shout out to my Native
friends down in southern California, and particularly those people descended
from the people who live in Pavugna. But that area
is at a Calcay Long Beach, and I believe it's
protected now. If it's not, it should be, But I
believe it's protected now that site and I and the
story of the founding of Pavugna that has been carried
through the oral traditions of the people down there is
that I guess that the Native people have a story.
And again I'm probably getting some of this wrong, but
this is approximately right. They traveled to the area from
I believe it's south of there. That could be wrong
with direction. But when the native people arrived there, they
found a fresh water spring at the site, which is
why they founded their village there, and generally speaking, it
was their tradition says it was guarded by some sort
of warrior that they had to defeat and drive the
warrior away because they wanted it, and that's just what
they did. But I read one account, and I've never
been able to find this again. I wish, I wish
I knew where it was. I found one account at
some point that said that the spring was guarded by
a giant, hairy warrior of some sort, and I thought
to myself, we would not be something that a sasquatch
set up base at this freshwater spring, as I think
that they probably do when water freshwater is rare, and
they had to drive the sasquatch away from this area
in order to claim it for their own. The people
that I think, I think their tongue. But yeah, where
I read that, I wish I could find the source,
but I just don't know where that is. So it
was a signal hills where I read it. It's what
I meant by that the source.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I'm just saying that. Yeah, the spring
was not at the base of Signal Hill, and yeah
it was. It was called they called it a lost
man or dead Man's springs.
Speaker 1: Well, the spring that I'm talking about is is on
the Calcia Long Beach land and actually, interestingly enough, when
they talk about a serendipity or a poetic not justice,
but something along those lines, when Calcia Long Beach was built,
the spring stopped flowing fresh water and started producing salty
water that was undrinkable.
Speaker 3: Yes, I thought that the springs that was a whole
separate spring where the where the Harry Warrior was was
more by a Signal Hill and then like the tribe
was over where the university was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I have it wrong then, but I don't know.
That's just what I remember. But of course, if anybody's
listening out there and they know they know the source,
I'd love to hear about it, So email us and
let us know.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I can find it.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was sure as well, but I never have unfortunately,
But if you do find it, I'd love to love
to know where that came from. I don't know where
I picked that up. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after
these messages.
Speaker 2: Here is a fun voicemail for you.
Speaker 6: Hey, Cliff bow and that this is Mike come to
you from Connecticut. I just want to say that I
totally loved the neurological spin you guys use on your podcast.
I think that totally sets you apart from all the
other shows that are out there. Man, it's really great.
With that said, and you're out in the field, are
you guys not kicking into the grub upper notch you're
knocking out of the park with some amazing food or
you just resorting down to some quick Stacky's and power
bars and trail mixed kind of thing. Either way, love
to hear it. I answer that from the person I
got the most with this bart. He's a chef.
Speaker 3: He brings a pizza oven with him, portable pizza oven,
and he makes incredible pizzas every night. Like just then
he makes all these tally like he brings pasta and
like his pasta sauces are just off off the charts.
Maybe some shrimp pasta he'll bring up all this Gormet food.
But if he's not there, it's like, yeah, with sobby
peas and bagels, and yeah, I just I don't really
pack all that great for I just bring it easy stuff.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: I'm so with you, man, because yeah, I'm just trying
to stay alive. So I bring like beef jerkey, protein bars,
bagels as well, like peanut butter, bananas, and then mountain houses.
But when I go with Darryl, Darryl Collier brings like
two of the largest size like yetti style coolers with
dry ice and ice, and dude, there's like milk and
juice and frozen fruit and fresh fruit and meat and eggs,
and then he cooks this like abundance, and he's always like, hey,
I can't finish all this, do you want some? So
I end up eating like a king. And then Emily's
always like, oh, you're mooching everyone else's food. I'm like, no,
I brought food, it's just they made a bunch and
so I just got to eat what wasn't eating, you know.
So I'm with you, like I don't mind eating like
a squirrel in the woods for four day because I
don't want to do with all the hassle, but I
will certainly not turn down somebody else's awesome camp cooking.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me it's about the same. I mean,
when when I go out with Bart, i'd like, you know,
I haven't been out with bart.
Speaker 4: Since last time.
Speaker 1: You are Bobo and I you know Barton were all
together last year. But yeah, he he feeds you like
like like crazy. There's no way you can lose weight
or anything like that around Bart Brudeau's I know, I
know he's nuts.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: He goes crazy, which is great, great for everybody involved.
But when I go out alone, it's pretty simple. It's
pretty simple. I'll probably get a couple of sandwiches or
something like that. Mountain House is a big favorite of
mine if I spoiling my If I'm spoiling myself, I
might get a steak and then cook it over the
fire because I think that's fun. But really, I try
to keep it pretty simple. And I also don't tend
to have meals per se. I just kind of snack
throughout the day when I when I when I feel
the need. But yeah, my eating regiment is a little
loose when I'm out in the field, So.
Speaker 2: I'm the same way just because I sleep in the
Forerunner and usually keep all the gear stored in there,
and there's a ton of space because I took out
the back seats and have that big platform. But man,
I've got a big cooler is that sort of roto
molded style, like like a Yetti cooler, But it's just
a YETI competitor. But that thing takes up so much
real estate that if I can help it, I don't
want to take a cooler.
Speaker 4: So it's all dry goods.
Speaker 3: They coolers take up a lot of space and.
Speaker 1: They're heavy, yes, but you can leave them outside because
they're bear safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2: But man, even just like the packing, you know, like
with what gear I can bring. So I just try
to do all dry goods. And then the only cooking
I do is boiling water and pouring it into something
like a mountain house or oatmeal or something like that.
But so occasionally, like if Emily goes, I'll bring the
cooler and like do fancier food. But for the most part,
it's all dry goods. And like I said, I mean
like a frigging squirrel out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I was thinking even if these coolers,
as I mentioned are bear safe. I tend to put
mine inside the rig because I sleep outside, usually on
the ground or something like that if I if the
weather's cooperative, or inside of a tent, but I prefer
to sleep on the ground. But I tend to put
the coolers away anyway, because even if I did sleep,
like say, if I had a truck, you know, like
you Boba, or I could sleep in the back of
a fore Runner like you met, I don't know if
I could relax enough to sleep if I knew a
bear was puzzling about how to get into my cooler
outside my rig all night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it just.
Speaker 1: Kind of like probably stressed me out to some sort
of some level that I wouldn't be able to sleep
at least, you know, like knowing there's a bear right
outside trying to get my food. Bears are a pain man,
that they are.
Speaker 2: So this is from a good buddy of mine and
a pigeon, but he's sent it into the regular channel,
So I guess this is for the regular listenership. And
so here's the next written question.
Speaker 1: For you, Cliff Okay, Kevin Mays asks, since the Relictomenoid
Inquiry site is still live, through Idaho State, but appears
not to have been updated with doctor Meldrum's passing. Does
anyone know whether the RhI will continue as an active
scholarly resource. What happened with the eight foot three D
printed ask watch skeleton that doctor Meldrim had made. Okay, Well,
first of all, the RhI, I don't think it's going
to continue taking submissions or anything, which is unfortunate because
I know that there were some people pinning submissions for
it at the time of doctor Meldrim's passing. From what
I understand, Darby Orcutt has expressed some interest in taking
the articles that were there and archiving them and housing
them at North Carolina State University. I don't know how
far that conversation has gone. Darby and I had a
conversation about it at one point, and I think I
put them in the right direction to speak to people
at the university. I'm not sure if anything ever came
from that or not. I'm also not involved in any
of that really, so except for like I have doctor
Meldrim's possessions, but I'm not really involved in the RhI.
Wasn't on the board of directors or anything or anything
like that. So I think these kinds of questions might
be best directed towards individuals who were on the board at
some point, or maybe even our Idaho State. But I
think for now we just keep our heads down and
enjoy that Idaho State is still housing it on their website.
Because we draw too much attention to it, maybe they're
going to take it down.
Speaker 2: Just so people know, all those links, they're just links
to the PDF. So you can download all those papers yourself.
If you're worried about them disappearing, you know, Kevin or
whoever else is listening.
Speaker 7: Just download them all. I have them all on my
hard drive for that reason, just in case. So yeah,
it'd probably be a good idea to do that. And
as far as what happened with the eight foot three
D printed Sasquatch skeleton that doctor Meldrum kind of helped
with for that TV production, well, there's a there's a
couple of things about that that I want to get
pretty straight here, is that doctor Meldrum didn't really help
very much with the making of that. What he did
is he supplied Gigantipithecus Blackie skull, the reconstruction that doctor
Krantz had made at some point, but the skeleton itself
was actually just an enlarged Neanderthal skeleton. It was not,
in fact something that doctor Meldrum kind of made and
designed based on his anatomical knowledge. He told me that
he would have done it differently than the TV production
company made. So the production company they just got on
the Neanderthal you know skeleton, I guess the three D
printed basically and to a larger proportion. And then doctor
Meldrim did tell me it was very, very impressive. He
really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: And when they when they see they TV is all
about the reveal and having emotions and seeing the surprise
in people's eyes and all that kind of stuff. You know,
it resonates with the viewers really well. So they didn't
let doctor Meldrim help with the design process because they
wanted doctor Meldrum's initial and legitimate response to seeing this
skeleton for the first time, so they didn't allow him
to participate in designing it and using his in depth
knowledge of what a biped of that size and make
should look like. I wish they would have. I think
Jeff probably even wished they would have, because it would
have been very different. I think it would have been
much more ostrola pitthescene in nature than something like a Neanderthal,
which is pretty far along on the human evolutionary timeline.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: Sasquatches clearly aren't something that's recent. They're very very archaic,
I guess, in nature and anatomy. But the production company
kept the skeleton. It's out there somewhere. Meldrum never had it.
He was allowed to see it and comment on it,
and they filmed them doing so for that production, but
that was not in Jeff's possessions at all. So the
production company still has possession of it, that's my understanding.
What they're doing with it, who knows? Probably nothing, because
production companies are like that. Production companies want everything and
then don't do anything with it. This is what my
experience is. Even our production company wanted those casts from
Georgia that we got on Finding Bigfoot, and I knew
they weren't going to do anything with it, so and
it was so disappointing, and that just like they did
with the Josh Gates Edi print. I think that the
production company has that somewhere, but it's not on display
in their offices, so who knows where it is?
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They always want things but don't do anything with because
their attention span is on making money some other way
with some other productions.
Speaker 4: So who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be donated to my museum someday. That would
be cool. So if you know anybody involved in that production,
just launching nudge in that direction and say, you know
who needs to have this. North American big Foot Center
needs to have this. But anyway, that's the answer for you, Kevin,
right on.
Speaker 4: So here you go, Bobes.
Speaker 3: Here's the next written question, Don Henderson, do you ever
find bigfoot tracks that are narrow? I saw footprints in
the seventies along a creek that were long but narrow.
My size shoe size is thirteen and these are forses
longer than mine. It was in a remote area in
early March and note northeast Oklahoma. Yeah, I found I
found those tracks in two thousand when it was a
BFR report as up going up Redwood Creek outside there
a Row National Park there in Oric, and was hiking
up with Koreta and we were going up the creek
just looking for Prince and sure enough like there was
these five long like f fifteen and a half inch
tracks that were in the gravel that were perfect. You
can see all five toes. They weren't deep, but you
could see him clearly, and two of them were really good.
But now they were narrow they were Yeah, they weren't even.
They were like barely five inches wide at the widest,
and they were like fifteen and a half inches long.
Speaker 1: Well, that could be from any number of interactions with
the ground too. There might have been some sliding involved,
that might have been just maybe the foot fly okay, well,
maybe the foot was superinnated in some sort of way,
giving like walking on the outside of the of the
edge of the foot in some sort of way. I mean,
there's a lot of reasons why tracks could be narrower
than one expects. Although five inches that's pretty wide. You
would expect like six or seven inches for a fifteen
inch track or something. But it's not significantly narrower than
one could expect too for some bobo's case. Now, this
is what Don Hendron, by the way, Hendron is his
last name, Don Hendron saying here that he saw tracks
that were very, very narrow. Remember again, I'll say it,
I say it all the time. Footprints, I mean the
ground are not the shape of the foot through the
shape of the damaged under the ground by the foot.
So you have to think about how that foot might
have interacted with the ground. Maybe it's sliding, maybe it's
skimming the top, maybe it's maybe the animals walking on
the outside of the foot. Maybe just didn't impressed very deeply.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Any number of factors go into making a footprint, probably
hundreds of different factors going to making a footprint shape
in the ground in that one half second or something
like that, that the foot is in contact with the ground,
So always keep that in mind. Maybe and on top
of it, maybe the foot was narrow. One of the
things doctor Meldrums and I were talking about towards the end,
there is a sexually dimorphic trait in footprints. Just to review,
Sexually dimorphic means that boys and girls have different shapes
of things, like boys are bigger in primates than they
are the girl primates are, but in great white sharks,
females are larger. So those are sexually dimorphic traits. There's
a speculation by John Bendernoggle that like longer canine teeth
might be a sexually dimorphic trait. Even the presence of
sagural cress and larger individuals could be a considered a
sexually dimorphic trait, like it is in gorillas, for example.
But one of the things about footprints that doctor Melgrim
and I were discussing towards the end is that Jeff
was suggesting that a sexually dimorphic trait visible in footprints
would be a narrower foot. If you look at any
number of Sasquatch feet, one of the things that jump
out is as some are quite a bit wider than others,
and the larger ones seem to be the widest of all.
So he was hypothesizing that a sexually dimorphic trait is
a narrower foot in Sasquatch females. Now you combine that
with other variables that go into making a footprint that
I mentioned earlier, then some very very narrow ones are
indeed possible. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with
Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Here's a good finding big Foot question for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, Nolan Gasner asks were there times on finding
Bigfoot where you guys really did hear something sasquatch or not,
but the microphones didn't pick it up. So the producers
added sounds to the episodes to allow the audience to
better understand what you heard. I asked, because in some
episodes the audio that has heard during night investigations sounds
really clear, while you guys say that you're hearing it
from very far away and faintly. I know that audio
can be enhanced, but sometimes it still sounds maybe too clear. Thanks.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did that.
Speaker 3: Well they played. They would play like stupid sounds, like
special effects sounds over like what we were trying to
listen to, because they thought it out of drama I disorder.
That drove everyone crazy. No one thought it was a
good idea. But except for the editors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that music and like the spooky nighttime stuff.
They would put that over there. Yeah, and I know
sometimes they did do they did. I do a fair
amount of work on the faint vocalizations that the mics
picked up and then tried to make them louder in
the mix. I know that happened a fair amount because
when we were out, you know, our sound guy grams
or whoever else that we had on, you know, as
the sound person on that particular episode, they were walking
around with a microphone, a boom mic, and sometimes another microphone,
you know, and I generally had mine out. I generally
had mine in my backpack, and sometimes my microphone.
Speaker 3: My little recorder.
Speaker 1: Recorded things better than the fancy audio gear that the
production was using, so I would send my audio clip
to the production and then they would use that instead.
I'm not aware of any specific time that they actually
introduced an artificial hoaxed sound, especially after, you know, maybe
in season one or something, because season one was that
bumpy road that we kind of fixed, and after season
one the show became much more legitimate, you know, in
every single way, you know, because they know that we
were so adamant against hoaxing and introduced se fake evidence
of any sort. I would be surprised. I wouldn't be
too surprised, but I'd be pretty surprised if they were
pulling shenanigans like that in season two on. It's possible
because you had to remember that we were out there
filming a lot, and many many months generally passed between
us filming something and it making the air at least
three or four generally, because it takes about three months
or more to edit together one in any of these episodes.
So many months and many adventures had gone under the
bridge between actually hearing a sound on one particular night
and when the episode made the air and we could
watch it ourselves. And I think sometimes like we just
I know for me at least, I cause I think
I had some of the same doubts as Nolan here.
Sometimes when I heard a vocalization, I said, well, man,
I don't remember it sounding that good, you know, and
thinking back on things, it might have just been an enhancement.
Maybe they pulled some shenanigans. I don't really know, But
I do know that if we say, if we said,
I should say, if we said we heard something and
we said it on air, it's the truth.
Speaker 4: We never lied. We just didn't.
Speaker 1: This is not what we did, because that was part
of the agreement with the production company and the network.
More importantly, if we said we heard something we did,
we could be incorrect. Maybe it wasn't a sasquatch and
we interpreted as such. You know that that stuff happens.
But if we said we heard something we did. Now
whether or not that actual recording is exactly what we heard.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just don't know.
Speaker 1: That was so long ago, and even when we were
hearing it for the first time, I'm not sure that
I remembered that specific night. So well, I don't know, Bob,
does you have anything to add to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It was confusing, but they
didn't make it clear what they added in and what
we were trying to listen to a lot of the time,
and I know that that caused a lot of confusion.
But generally speaking, they couldn't hear what we were hearing
like they could. It didn't record what we were hearing
because there's these little tiny lapel mics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what That's when I we really leaned heavily
upon my recording device that I would take out with
And yeah, I know that my stuff captured a lot
more than the lapel mics did. And then occasionally the
boom mic that you know, Andy or whoever was carrying. Yeah,
but you know something, But I think more often than not,
the vocalizations that we heard sounded better in person than
you heard on the air.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for sure. And that Washington versus Canada or
US versus Canada. When I was doing my solo camp
with Flippy, the stuff we heard that night was so
crazy and it was so loud like that we thought
for like, there's no way we didn't have it all.
It turned out we didn't. It didn't pick up almost
anything like and it was like we just we were
in shock. We had four recorders out and nothing picked
it up, like barely, you barely hear a little bit
of a sound was like echoing through the forest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's strange how it's really dramatic. Actually, I
guess the difference between a human ear and an electronic ear.
You know, we just hear things so much better in
the field than we do on air. And when they
add the music and all that sort of nonsense on
top of it too, it really compounds the problem.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Well I should say it was what it was, man,
because finding Bigfoot's long over, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so certain how to remember all that stuff about
that so long?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big blur.
Speaker 2: Well, here is the last question for you, and it's
one we've covered a number of times. We did a
whole episode about it, but we get asked it a lot,
so I know that it's worth revisiting.
Speaker 4: But here's the last question for you, Bobes.
Speaker 3: Gary White, has any lap tested for Big fifteen night
and said this is it? Well, yeah, but they didn't
prove it. Yeah, they've said this is it.
Speaker 2: They didn't demonstrate that this was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, There's been a lot of claims along those lines,
but clearly they've been wrong or inconclusive every single time
because sasquatches are still in the realm of mystery animals.
If it was real, that wouldn't be the case anymore,
would it.
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: The only game in town and from mine or sand,
the only game that ever was is Darby or Cut.
All DNA efforts and samples should be funneled to him
because it's the only time in all Bigfoot history that
university is backing up the results. So and Darby has
done his darndas to track down every other rumor of
DNA testing and this and that and samples and stuff,
and generally speaking, his findings after going to going down
all these rabbit holes on DNA's that the vast majority
of them didn't even exist. They were just rumors. But
there's no evidence that the testing was done, and then
there's a couple that had been done but the data
is not available, so it's just like not having been
done in the first place. So yeah, the only game
in town is Derby, and it seems like that was
probably the only game in town ever really with any
sort of accountability.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Gary, if you want to go back and
listen to in September of last year, episode three hundred
and thirty four, we did an episode called DNA Discovery
and the Unknown Primate Myth that covered a lot of
this stuff. So I would recommend going back and listening
to that one, or for any of the listeners who
haven't heard that episode.
Speaker 3: That's a great episode.
Speaker 4: But that is the last of the written questions.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any anything you want to plug
or need to plug?
Speaker 4: Upcoming events, etc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be out in Florida, I guess
in Okalla, Florida and in June on June thirteenth for
the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference. Yeah, it's in the middle
of June, So if you're in that area and you
want to go check it out, it should be a
lot of fun. I don't get the Florida very often,
I'll say that. And as far as speakers, I'm going
to be there. Polit's is going to be there, the
levely and talented Lyle Blackburn will be there. We have
a few other people. I mean, RPG is going to
be there, former producer on Finding Bigfoot, and of course
we have Scott Nelson who's really into the more Head
recordings and stuff. We'll probably be talking about that. And
we also have bef our investigator Lori Wade, who's going
to be talking about something out there. And those are
the speakers that I know about, or maybe they're just
on round tables. I don't really know. I just kind
of show up and do my things. So those are
the people on the website. Though, if you wanted more information,
I guess you can go to gatherupevents dot com, slash
Florida Bigfoot Conference, or just google it. You'll find it.
That's what I did.
Speaker 2: What about you, Bob, do you have anything you want
to plug the two b series?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's uh witness interviews we did there's available
on to be TV. What's it? What's it called again?
Speaker 2: I'll link to It's Bobo's Bigfoot Encounters of the Fourth
Kind yeah, that's great. I got done editing yesterday and
went upstairs and then I was like, let's find something
silly to watch.
Speaker 4: And so whoa, we pulled up. We pulled up two BE.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, like I've got Netflix and HBO Max
and you know they all all the big Hollywood movies,
but sometimes we watch like the free like popcorn flicks.
Speaker 3: Two B.
Speaker 2: So I pulled up two B and of course it
was like recommendations for you because we always watched cheesy
sasquatch like horror movies. And it was the first two
things that popped up were Bobo's Bigfoot Encunter of the
Fourth Kind and The Bigfoot Project with Seth Breedlove and Cliff.
So the first two thumbnails I saw were Bubbo and Cliffs.
I was like, I can't escape, No, there's no escape.
I spent all day editing and I was like, it's
time for a break, and I pulled up an app
for a mental escape, and there you both were staring
at me.
Speaker 1: I guess you can call us a mental challenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I will link to that in the show notes, and
then I'll be speaking to the Alaska Bigfoot Cruise that's
going to be a lot of fun. Link in the
show notes for that as always. And there's a great
listener of ours, a guy named Dylan who has an
awesome podcast with some friends of his called Reels of Justice,
and they do this like mock trial every episode, and
they bring in someone who knows a thing or two
about a subject to talk about a movie related to
that subject very often, and then there's a mock trial
sort of defending or prosecuting that film as either good
or bad. So if you were interested in squatchy talk,
I did a previous episode with them, Reels Justice episode
four forty one about the Sasquatch, where I had to
defend Harry and the Henderson's as a good movie. And
then I was on there that just came out talking
about a totally different subject where I was prosecuting the
Bruce Lee film The Game of Death, and we had
a great Bruce Lee conversation. So go give those guys
some love and listen a lot of fun doing that podcast.
Speaker 3: So check that out, all right. So, yes, that's it
for this week, folks, Thanks for tuning in. We're gonna
jump over to our picture on Account with the Pigeon Folk,
So you're welcome to join us there, but we appreciate
you joining us here. Thank you very much, and until
next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.
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