Speaker 1: So avery is it's not said, but it's implied, is
Speaker 1: what we're getting at.
Speaker 2: Big titties.
Speaker 1: The big titties are implied in this book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just like they just kissed at one point,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, okay, well we didn't develop that,
Speaker 3: but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Chess grips its exponent? What does it mean?
Speaker 2: Like I can't just tell everyone I had this information.
Speaker 2: I had to do it in a different confusing way.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, what's he do?
Speaker 5: You? Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, fight someone off with.
Speaker 6: The carndishes, he holds up the old dying man holds
Speaker 6: up a cane.
Speaker 7: Test like the game grips its exponent exponents?
Speaker 3: What does it?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is so crazy. This character's so crazy. It's like, nah,
Speaker 2: that crazy. That character's kind of boring compared to what
Speaker 2: is happening in real life.
Speaker 1: It just it somehow feels like pages get added as
Speaker 1: you read, Like no matter how much progress you make,
Speaker 1: there's always four hundred and fifteen pages to go.
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome back to this season finale of
Speaker 2: Mean Book Club, where we read While Justice Sleeps by
Speaker 2: Stacy Abrams. But she's there, okay, as always, we are
Speaker 2: your house. I'm Sarah Burton, I'm.
Speaker 4: Clara Morris, Jonas Gravius, Sabrina and b and Jordan, and.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess, yeah, at.
Speaker 2: This is this is pretty bold, Sabrina, but I guess,
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead and introduce.
Speaker 6: I think she was queuing up someone else, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Well I was, and I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I am the producer of the episode, so
Speaker 3: I did feel as though it was my territory.
Speaker 6: Then you paused for a long time.
Speaker 2: Here's what I think is going on.
Speaker 1: I think I think she doesn't know how to say
Speaker 1: Blake's last night, and she is desperate for someone else
Speaker 1: to swep.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that literally didn't even cross my mind. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right in the guests, Okay, I will, But I
Speaker 3: want to give a precursor that I asked Blake for
Speaker 3: a bio, and I had written in exactly what he
Speaker 3: told me to write in, and somebody I saw who
Speaker 3: came in here and changed it up. So if you
Speaker 3: have issues with this bio, Blake, you can look right
Speaker 3: over it. Jona Scrabis, whose last name I do know
Speaker 3: how to pronounce, so we'll see if I know how to.
Speaker 1: Pronounce your bio. I feel like it needed some.
Speaker 3: Literally, he was like, just say that I'm the editor
Speaker 3: of the podcast that I Actually I had jushed it
Speaker 3: by saying that he's Editor extraordinari of NBC.
Speaker 4: So anyway.
Speaker 3: Hailing from Houston, Texas, Blake isn't a accomplished saxophonist, a
Speaker 3: member of Goldbloom, the Brooklyn based alternative jazz trio that
Speaker 3: wants to be your new favorite garage band. The trio
Speaker 3: began playing together while attending the News School for Jazz
Speaker 3: and Contemporary Music, and soon after cultivated a musical sensibility
Speaker 3: that combines the hard hitting and visceral nature of a
Speaker 3: rock band with the high technical skill of a top
Speaker 3: shelf jazz trio. Blake is a hilarious comedian and improviser
Speaker 3: who has been studying improv since twenty sixteen. He also
Speaker 3: claims he can answer any questions about the Fast.
Speaker 4: And Furious franchise. Please welcome Blake.
Speaker 2: Copper. Ah, Hi, Blake, did she do it? Did she
Speaker 2: do your name right?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Well it's sober, but other than that, it was great.
Speaker 2: That feels so funny.
Speaker 1: To you to say yes first and then yes there's
Speaker 1: the correction.
Speaker 2: No, Wow, there's two peas like, we are so happy
Speaker 2: to have you. Say Blake's also druds of the social media.
Speaker 2: I feel like we should also mention that he does
Speaker 2: so much more. But Blake, I didn't know about you
Speaker 2: in your background jazz. I got to introduced you to
Speaker 2: my uncle. You is a jazz pianist, and every time
Speaker 2: I'm with him, he.
Speaker 6: Read jazz Penis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, jazz Penis, and he references a bunch of uncle
Speaker 2: musicians that I don't know, but I feel like you
Speaker 2: would know them.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 8: We went to an Airbnb one time and they had
Speaker 8: like a coffee table book that was just pictures of
Speaker 8: jazz musicians and we just went through two hundred pages
Speaker 8: that I just named everyone that I could.
Speaker 2: So you would this, You would get along really well
Speaker 2: with my uncle Blake.
Speaker 1: Does this happen a lot where you say you're a
Speaker 1: jazz music musician and then someone is like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you know my cousin's daughter listened to she listens to blues?
Speaker 1: That's really similar?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that or just like a vague I have
Speaker 3: gay friends, Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 8: Just Oh John John, that saxophone player, John Coltrain him
Speaker 8: that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I also asked is it I was not
Speaker 1: a saxophonist?
Speaker 8: Whoa I think?
Speaker 1: Is it that saxophonist or saxophonist?
Speaker 8: I would go saxophone, that's real question.
Speaker 2: I never heard Johnny's pronunciation, but I don't know. They
Speaker 2: all need to know.
Speaker 3: Well, I too was a saxophonist.
Speaker 2: Apparently you could also you could also just say saxist apparently,
Speaker 2: which is far funny.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was a saxist. I mine was limited to.
Speaker 3: School, like, you know, middle school, but I did oh
Speaker 3: in elementary school. I joined playing the saxophone because my President,
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton played the saxophone and I wanted to be
Speaker 3: like him.
Speaker 2: I don't know what John is talking about, by the way,
Speaker 2: I just looked it up and they just said saxophonists.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what about John's pronunciation. Maybe it's British.
Speaker 1: Well I want to hear it from the professional in
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, go ahead.
Speaker 8: I've heard it that way, but I don't know what
Speaker 8: the proper way is. And Sabrina Bakland easily the most
Speaker 8: influential saxophone player of our generation, so very understandable.
Speaker 1: Not Kenny G.
Speaker 8: You know, Kenny G is like the most loved to
Speaker 8: hate saxophone player of all time?
Speaker 4: And doesn't Kenny g play the soprano sacks?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a weird sex right. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure you can play anything.
Speaker 2: What do you do? You know what I mean? I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: It is like a claric tenor and an alto sax player.
Speaker 1: I played the mellophone, so like, are like tenor sax
Speaker 1: players sort of the losers of the saxers?
Speaker 8: How dare Barry saxophones the losers of the saxes?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Easily, easily. But what I'm learning from Claris that, like
Speaker 8: all jazz instrumentalists, names could just be turned into inappropriate jokes.
Speaker 2: Penist saxist, penis sexy. Yeah, there you go. There's something
Speaker 2: there that you can bring your comedy and the jazz together.
Speaker 2: And you've got a full bit cooking there. I know
Speaker 2: you do. Blake, Sabrina, do you want to tell us
Speaker 2: why we're reading this book While Justice Sleeps Again? By
Speaker 2: Stacy Abrams who will get into it, but you know her,
Speaker 2: and uh we'll talk about her, but go ahead, Sabri.
Speaker 3: Oh, So we are reading this book because we received
Speaker 3: an email from a mysterious Patreon, who I don't know
Speaker 3: who she is, but she sounds beautiful and smart. Okay,
Speaker 3: she said, hi, longtime fan and Patreon exclamation point of
Speaker 3: the cast.
Speaker 4: I have a great recommendation.
Speaker 3: And the person made a mistake and said when Justice
Speaker 3: Sleeps by Stacy Abrams, which did lead to some confusion
Speaker 3: for me personally. But anyway, when Justice Sleeps by Stacy
Speaker 3: Abrams otherwise known as Wild Justice Sleeps by Stacy Abrams.
Speaker 3: My coworker recommended this to me, and I think I
Speaker 3: would probably love it. Me loving a book is usually
Speaker 3: a good recipe for it being a great pick for
Speaker 3: the MBC hotties.
Speaker 4: While she complimented you.
Speaker 6: Us, she's only ever heard her voices exactly.
Speaker 3: Maybe she went to a live show. Have I mentioned
Speaker 3: how beautiful you all are?
Speaker 4: Question Mark?
Speaker 2: Well, she goes on really long. I think we can
Speaker 2: edit this down a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think here is a description and a link to
Speaker 3: prove it was a New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 4: Okay, we love that.
Speaker 3: Please read this book and make my dreams of successfully
Speaker 3: recommending an NBC book come true. And then there is
Speaker 3: a little description of the book which I'll read. Avery Keene,
Speaker 3: a young brilliant Supreme Court clerk gets the surprise of
Speaker 3: her life when she walks into chambers one morning and
Speaker 3: here's that the increasingly paranoid justice she works for has
Speaker 3: slipped into a coma and she's been unexpectedly granted his
Speaker 3: power of attorney.
Speaker 1: Wow, doesn't that just make you want to fall asleep
Speaker 1: and never read again? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Course, definitely want that.
Speaker 2: It was an amazing recommendation and we had to pick it.
Speaker 1: Apparently, Sabrina, who did the recommend her leave a name
Speaker 1: or email or anything.
Speaker 4: No, it was. It just came from a blank email address.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how they did it, probably through genius.
Speaker 1: Was it you? Was it? Did you send the email?
Speaker 4: I received this email?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 4: I received it?
Speaker 2: Interesting anyway, Well that's fine.
Speaker 6: We don't know who sent it, and make me.
Speaker 2: That's not a lie.
Speaker 4: I did receive this femail.
Speaker 1: She sent it to herself and then she sent it
Speaker 1: to us and she made us read the book. But
Speaker 1: the fact is she has a Patreon she's been paying us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so season one.
Speaker 2: Also, I'll just say you, guys, I did take the LSADS,
Speaker 2: so I do consider myself the expert on all in
Speaker 2: this book. Yeah. So, Uh, if you guys have any
Speaker 2: questions or need anything like clarified, like, you know, you
Speaker 2: can refer to me as the take the l s at.
Speaker 6: Last week college.
Speaker 2: Wow, Sarah, you're impressed. I took a test. I did
Speaker 2: nothing after that.
Speaker 1: You're basically a lawyer, but I am.
Speaker 2: Basically I agree. It is basically me being.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like the bar.
Speaker 2: It is. It's the same thing. Yeah, I think the same.
Speaker 2: They're very like, they're very different. Yes, exactly, Claire, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: No, the bar is like the medical boards.
Speaker 6: Wow, and they're very good.
Speaker 2: You know that wasn't me. That wasn't me. That was
Speaker 2: Sabrina talking. Sabrina, I think you're forgetting I'm the expert here.
Speaker 2: All right, let's continue. So how did everyone read it?
Speaker 6: I read it as an audiobook from the library. And
Speaker 6: something I've never done in my life is us as
Speaker 6: sleep timer on TV or whatever. But I used the
Speaker 6: sleep timer with this and it was awesome. It worked
Speaker 6: so well. I could set up fifteen minute sleep timer
Speaker 6: with this book and be asleep before the end. I
Speaker 6: can't fall asleep, but I guess out.
Speaker 2: This book also nice because if you didn't set the timer.
Speaker 2: Clarre it would have just kept playing and playing.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 6: That's happened to me a couple of times with our books,
Speaker 6: and it's happened to me with TV shows and stuff.
Speaker 2: And that's really fun.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of cool. I like the Sleep Timer.
Speaker 2: I did the audiobook and from Audible, and I really
Speaker 2: just want to say, this isn't a book too. If
Speaker 2: you're considering this book, I wouldn't do audio of this.
Speaker 2: I think it's why. It just feels like one of
Speaker 2: those books that you got to look at and read
Speaker 2: and reread the page fifty times, so like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 6: She'd be like what the fuck the what did they
Speaker 6: just say?
Speaker 2: Or like, oh, here's a clue. Let me trying to
Speaker 2: have fun and figure out this clue by looking at
Speaker 2: it longer. You can't do that with an audiobook. It
Speaker 2: just goes in one you aren't out the other, and
Speaker 2: you're not trying. There's but I mean, i'd love to
Speaker 2: hear how you everyone else consumed this book. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did the audio book, and you know it was
Speaker 3: on two point six speed, because with three I felt
Speaker 3: like I was just like you look away for one
Speaker 3: second and then all of a sudden you're in a
Speaker 3: noon chapter.
Speaker 4: I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 6: I yeah, that happened on any.
Speaker 2: Speed, any speed.
Speaker 1: I did. I did the book, and it just it
Speaker 1: somehow feels like pages get added as you read, just
Speaker 1: get added to. No matter how much progress you make,
Speaker 1: there's always four hundred and fifteen pages to go. And
Speaker 1: what made it worse for me was I didn't have
Speaker 1: a bookmark, so I kept closing it and being like, remember, Johnna,
Speaker 1: you're on page sixty. Crazy, And I would open it
Speaker 1: and I couldn't even find where I was on that page.
Speaker 1: I have to like go back and read a few
Speaker 1: pages before.
Speaker 2: Johnna, it's insane that you were trying to remember the number.
Speaker 2: Well you just.
Speaker 1: You've stopped reading and you go remember sixty, And then
Speaker 1: the next day you were.
Speaker 2: So you thought you were pretty much like Avery in
Speaker 2: this book. The main character just rip a little corner
Speaker 2: of the page. I would like, how did you consume
Speaker 2: this book?
Speaker 8: Like I consume the unabridged audio book and it was
Speaker 8: a mistake.
Speaker 2: Fair fair clarification. I also did unabridge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was I was traveling throughout listening to it
Speaker 8: and felt like I was actively having a fever dream
Speaker 8: the entire time. It was incredible, but not a recommended experience.
Speaker 1: Like ayahuasca. It's like, Wow, you did it, you survived,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of shitting and vomiting. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: just have to say, like I the very first page
Speaker 1: of this book is a quote, and I had to
Speaker 1: read it twelve times and I still don't understand what
Speaker 1: it means. I suppose that it's attributed to Albert Einstein,
Speaker 1: and it really set the tone for me to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm stupid. I don't know how, But very first page,
Speaker 1: when you open the book Chess Grips, it's exponent, shackling
Speaker 1: the minded brains, that the inner freedom and independence of
Speaker 1: even the strongest character cannot remain unaffected. Attributed to Albert Einstein, to.
Speaker 6: Anybody.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I don't know. I can't I
Speaker 2: can only I can't only remember one word you just said,
Speaker 2: I agreed.
Speaker 1: It's exponent. What does it mean chest or chess like
Speaker 1: Game grips, it's ex exponent.
Speaker 2: Exponent or expo. What does it that mean in the context.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. How fun Clara, I
Speaker 2: feel like Clara sometimes gives points to books that make
Speaker 2: her feel smart. This definitely I agree with you, Johnna,
Speaker 2: complete opposite. It just felt like it was trying to
Speaker 2: make me feel like a big dumb idiot the entire book,
Speaker 2: and I didn't appreciate it. But we'll get into it more. Uh, Sabrina,
Speaker 2: do you want to sum it up for us? A?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Okay, there is a little summary. I think we
Speaker 4: have two roles.
Speaker 3: Does anyone want to volunteer for one of the roles?
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, Okay, does anyone want to volunteer
Speaker 3: for the other role?
Speaker 2: I th gu you should give it to Blake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Okay, Blake, you read the bold lines. Okay,
Speaker 3: And Johanna you read the non bold lines.
Speaker 1: Great?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 2: Action.
Speaker 8: What happens when you're already juggling a chaotic job and
Speaker 8: a messy personal life someone decides to dump the fate
Speaker 8: of the nation on you? Duh.
Speaker 1: Meet Avery Keene, a law clerk who's just trying to
Speaker 1: survive her high pressure job at the Supreme Court, her
Speaker 1: frustrating family drama with her junkie mom, and the occasional
Speaker 1: Katheene shortage loll. The things take a turn for the
Speaker 1: Rye Doncus, a brilliant yet unpredictable Supreme Court Justice Howard
Speaker 1: Winn certainly falls into a coma.
Speaker 8: Congrats girl, you're now his legal guardian.
Speaker 1: Waait?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: Not only is Avery left in charge of Justice Winn's life,
Speaker 1: but she also discovers he's roped her into unraveling a
Speaker 1: conspiracy so complicated it might as well come with a
Speaker 1: flow chart. And through there are cryptic chess moves, shady
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, and just enough legal jargon to make her
Speaker 1: question all her life choices. Oh and don't worry, reader,
Speaker 1: this isn't the type of book that we'll have you
Speaker 1: guessing what comes next, because you literally will have absolutely
Speaker 1: no way in which to participate in solving the mystery
Speaker 1: just for Avery. But don't worry, you will spend literally
Speaker 1: forty one percent of the book just listening to Avery
Speaker 1: wonder why Justice Wynn picked her, rather than trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the actual mystery.
Speaker 8: Oh and did we mention the assassins.
Speaker 1: As Avery dodges shadowy figures and tries to decode Wins
Speaker 1: trail of clues, which again are just for her, not
Speaker 1: for you, she realizes that she's not just solving a puzzle.
Speaker 1: She's trying to stop an international crisis. It's like a
Speaker 1: egal thriller, a spy movie, and a scavenger hunt. Had
Speaker 1: a very stressful baby.
Speaker 8: Will she survive? Will justice prevail? Will this girl ever
Speaker 8: get a nap?
Speaker 1: Find out in while Justice sleeps? The thriller coming to
Speaker 1: your mind screen? And probably only there?
Speaker 6: Really nice, really nice writing?
Speaker 2: What is min.
Speaker 3: What is so other than the parts that were obviously me?
Speaker 3: I had a friend help me write this. It was
Speaker 3: chatchy bt.
Speaker 2: Okay, love it love a chatgybt. What does mind screen mean?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but that one was chat.
Speaker 1: It does it actually is perfect because it feels like
Speaker 1: the way the characters talk in the book, where instead
Speaker 1: of just saying something clearly, like saying like I thought
Speaker 1: about it, the character will be like to ask what
Speaker 1: he meant on my screen? You're just like, so it's
Speaker 1: it's perfect. The chat gy bt read this book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I also asked chatchy bt to like remind me of
Speaker 3: the list of the characters, and it listed one of
Speaker 3: the characters and I was like, this is Avery's best friend.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's not. And then it was
Speaker 3: like Raphael, her ex boyfriend who shows up in the middle.
Speaker 4: Of the book and complicates things.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, chatchy, bet, was Rafael really
Speaker 3: a character in this book?
Speaker 4: And he said, sorry, no, to come up with.
Speaker 1: Like that's good, other fun things that could happen.
Speaker 4: Literally, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 8: I feel like chat GBT is trying to give me
Speaker 8: the book. I wanted this to.
Speaker 4: Be yeah, yes, absolutely, she's supporting us.
Speaker 2: All right, Joanna, Johnna's jugs. What do you got for us?
Speaker 1: Okay? So, oh shoot, I closed the tab.
Speaker 4: I've been waiting to crack that.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's john is jugs. So, folks, tonight we're drinking
Speaker 1: whiskey and I'm having in a hot tea. So there
Speaker 1: was nothing to crack you idiots.
Speaker 6: Who was the idiots, the listeners or us?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's just me because I was the one
Speaker 4: who cracked.
Speaker 1: No, you can crack everyone.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like crack the code. I thought
Speaker 2: you were referencing the book, idiots.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there is a scene in the book where
Speaker 1: Justice Wins says, and bring me some winky with my
Speaker 1: death pills, which is what he calls just like the
Speaker 1: pills that keep him alive. Ironically, the very next scene,
Speaker 1: he has try to take his own life with the
Speaker 1: whiskey and death pills. So it's not like the most jovial.
Speaker 7: Drink we could have, but it's one of the only
Speaker 7: drinks mentioned in the book.
Speaker 1: And even if they hadn't mentioned the Justice Whind drinks
Speaker 1: whiskey like he does, you can just tell the man's
Speaker 1: The man is an old judge. He's not in great health.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what kind of whiskey I'm having.
Speaker 1: It's some of the kind of Matt's special bottle. He says.
Speaker 1: It's never to be mixed with things. You're just supposed
Speaker 1: to drink it. It's a nice whiskey. But the only
Speaker 1: way that I drink whiskey is.
Speaker 2: Mixing it up with little course of course.
Speaker 1: So this is a little tea, honey and whiskey.
Speaker 6: It's very nice.
Speaker 1: It's very nice, calm, and I highly.
Speaker 4: Recommend that sounds good.
Speaker 1: Talk amongst yourselves, right, He said that with a dismissive way.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess, well, we're not going to because
Speaker 2: it's just time for Sabrina to talk. I believe Sabrina
Speaker 2: is going to just about the book and author. So
Speaker 2: go ahead, Sabri my dream.
Speaker 3: Also, if you have additional information you want to chime in,
Speaker 3: Sarah sounded like you had good dirt on Stacy.
Speaker 2: Sorry that was misleading.
Speaker 5: I have nothing, okay, So our author, Stacy Abrams was
Speaker 5: born into a family that really likes public service.
Speaker 3: She has her j d from a Yale Yeah it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean just that, but you mean that she hasn't
Speaker 3: passed the bomb. She worked as a tax attorney, she
Speaker 3: co founded SEP Businesses, and she served as deputy City
Speaker 3: Attorney for Atlanta. Then how you may all know her.
Speaker 3: She was elected to the Georgia House of Representatives in
Speaker 3: two thousand and six. She was the first woman to
Speaker 3: lead either party in the Georgia General Assembly and the
Speaker 3: first African American to lead in the House of Representatives
Speaker 3: as the House Minority leader. She ran for governor of
Speaker 3: Georgia in twenty eighteen and narrowly lost. It was highly
Speaker 3: publicized election, and she's been really active in voting rates advocacy,
Speaker 3: and she's an accomplished author of both political and nonfiction works,
Speaker 3: as well as romantic suspense novels.
Speaker 4: Under the pen name Selina Montgomery. So this book.
Speaker 2: Why didn't we do one of those? I don't know.
Speaker 3: The beautiful stranger who wrote in just wrote about this one.
Speaker 1: Didn't know about those books until probably about ten minutes ago.
Speaker 4: It was like an hour ago, thank you, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: She conceived of.
Speaker 3: This idea over a decade before it's publication. I don't
Speaker 3: know if anybody else had the ability to listen to
Speaker 3: her forward, but she talked about it a lot, and
Speaker 3: like nobody wanted this book.
Speaker 4: It was not on people's minds.
Speaker 3: They were not into it. And then it like finally,
Speaker 3: with the Supreme Court and the election and everything being crazy,
Speaker 3: she was like, you know what, I'm going to dust
Speaker 3: off that old idea, and so that was how it
Speaker 3: came to be published. But it was inspired by her
Speaker 3: fascination with the United States Supreme Court and her interest
Speaker 3: in politics and legal intrigue and quote complex systems.
Speaker 4: I actually think it's really cool.
Speaker 3: She like identified a weird issue in the Constitution, which
Speaker 3: is that there is not like something prescribed for what
Speaker 3: you do when a Supreme Court justice becomes incapacitated, which
Speaker 3: is true if it's like.
Speaker 4: The president or something like that.
Speaker 3: And so that was like the premise and what spurred
Speaker 3: this fun little idea she decided to write this one.
Speaker 6: Okay, I was just gonna say, what an insane choice
Speaker 6: to like think of something fun like that, like a problem,
Speaker 6: and then to pick the like most banal thing like
Speaker 6: and then his law clerk gets to do it. You know,
Speaker 6: I think it could have been a family fight.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys.
Speaker 4: I also have a question because I think it's a
Speaker 4: book for nerds.
Speaker 2: I just did a Google so cool, and so I
Speaker 2: did a googie and this is this is Ai. So
Speaker 2: you know, we all know that sometimes they lie to us.
Speaker 2: But Raphael, what happens if a Supreme Court justice goes
Speaker 2: into a coma? And they said, if a Supreme Courts
Speaker 2: justice goes into a coma, they're considered incapacitated and unable
Speaker 2: to fulfill their duties, leading to a vacancy on the court.
Speaker 2: That's not like what happened in the book. Is that?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, is that is what happened in the book?
Speaker 2: No, it sounds like the last It sounds like Ai
Speaker 2: is saying it doesn't matter about.
Speaker 6: Ay it becomes vacant.
Speaker 2: It's vagant because it says it's vacant. So I'm this
Speaker 2: day again, this day. I have done no further looking
Speaker 2: into it, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Just I'm certainly not pasted this year.
Speaker 2: I'm just so much whether the premise even is even
Speaker 2: actually found.
Speaker 1: So we might have uncovered the book is as Claire said,
Speaker 1: it's it's an even worse book than we knew.
Speaker 3: No, I think it is unclear, like there is no
Speaker 3: prescribed rules of what would happen. So I do think
Speaker 3: what would happen would be like a fight.
Speaker 6: Hmmm. They should probably fix that, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's actually like kind of hard to amend
Speaker 3: the Constitution, if you can believe it.
Speaker 2: Sarah Sarah, Yeah, no, it's not hard to amend it.
Speaker 2: I mean like you just have to like do it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, just get a little pen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, any color writing.
Speaker 2: No, No, it should be read. It should be read. Ok. Good,
Speaker 2: that's a great point. That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Not to joke to the.
Speaker 8: But I feel like the AI response told us what
Speaker 8: I've feared was true of the book, is that like
Speaker 8: the whole plot kind of didn't matter.
Speaker 9: Like at the end of the day, like that it
Speaker 9: just was like, oh, this could have happened a number
Speaker 9: of ways.
Speaker 8: This was so unnecessarily complicated.
Speaker 3: Yes, but that's because Justice win was so complicated.
Speaker 2: Yes, And why did Justice whind do what he did?
Speaker 2: I don't think that question is ever answered, Like, wait.
Speaker 3: Let me finish the It was published in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: It went to the number one spot on the New
Speaker 3: York Times bestseller list in fiction later that month.
Speaker 4: And that's all, Okay, what month?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Was this a one week or was it one
Speaker 2: week May bestseller?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Like, so I'd like to know it.
Speaker 3: I found it during one week. That's not to say
Speaker 3: that's the only week.
Speaker 4: And even can't figure it out.
Speaker 1: It feels like we're really relying a lot on chat gpzz.
Speaker 4: I actually just discovered chatchy. I've never used well, I
Speaker 4: tried to use it. Yeah, I just discovered it. I
Speaker 4: tried to use it.
Speaker 3: Once to make a like a baby meld picture of
Speaker 3: our friends for their baby shower card, and it said
Speaker 3: it couldn't do that.
Speaker 4: And so that was the one experience with chatchip two.
Speaker 6: That should be.
Speaker 1: Every time you asked chat GPT a question. It's like
Speaker 1: leaving the lights on for two years? Do you know that?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: That's how much energy it uses.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you said chat GPT, is Raphael really
Speaker 1: a character? It was like you turned you went into
Speaker 1: a living room and turn on a light and you
Speaker 1: left it burning for two years.
Speaker 6: That does sound right?
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound right. What is it like if I
Speaker 4: Google a question?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like nothing.
Speaker 4: It's like that can't be accurate.
Speaker 1: That can't Okay, it is accurate. Well, let's ask chat
Speaker 1: GPT right now?
Speaker 4: Okay, how much?
Speaker 2: I don't know and I don't want.
Speaker 4: I just don't understand asking you a question.
Speaker 2: Take It's just like a big computer, right that it answers.
Speaker 1: All this.
Speaker 3: The energy consumption of asking me a question is primarily
Speaker 3: tied to the energy required to run the servers.
Speaker 4: I don't know. This is answers compacts just like Google.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the book. Okay, that's my attempt.
Speaker 3: Wh It is about ten to one hundred times more
Speaker 3: energy than a Google search. Is the world going to explode? Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm deleting chatcha.
Speaker 2: It's just a small amount of energy to start with,
Speaker 2: So don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Ask if the world's going to explode.
Speaker 3: Okay, if you're so worried about energy, use quick why yeah, question, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 6: Why are you forcing Sabrina to do it? You're complicit here, Johnna,
Speaker 6: No complicit.
Speaker 1: We're waiting to try a cigarette and now I'm making
Speaker 1: her smoke one hundred one time.
Speaker 6: That's right, But that's like proven to be not a
Speaker 6: good wation to it.
Speaker 4: Now I'm addictive, all right, it's very sick. So this book, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm deleting it.
Speaker 3: I'm deleting it. I it's disgusting and gross and I
Speaker 3: hate it.
Speaker 1: Now you learned your lesson.
Speaker 4: And also it was wrong on the book.
Speaker 2: So also I should say, like I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff in this book was just has is
Speaker 2: out of date, sadly, like there were references to Rob
Speaker 2: Wade and like some other things that I was like,
Speaker 2: this is this is this is sad. This is sad.
Speaker 1: What a sad thing to say? Yeah, this book's at
Speaker 1: a date. For example, it references Roe v. Wade being
Speaker 1: the law, just.
Speaker 2: Like it being like horrible for it to be overturned
Speaker 2: or like something. I was like, well it did it
Speaker 2: did get over durn. They're like, you know, there's just
Speaker 2: some stuff. I mean, so much has happened. I don't
Speaker 2: think this book was considering Trump being elected president again either,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like sometimes when you're talking
Speaker 2: about villains and like, oh, this is so crazy, this
Speaker 2: character's so crazy, It's like, nah, that crazy is that
Speaker 2: character is kind of boring compared to what is happening
Speaker 2: in real life, you know what I mean. That's what
Speaker 2: it felt like for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the president wasn't so bad in this book, even
Speaker 6: though he was supposed to be pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're like, okay, So to ground the readers
Speaker 3: a little bit, the premise we've described, the Justice goes
Speaker 3: into this coma, and after a really long time, you
Speaker 3: find out that the reason that he went into this
Speaker 3: coma is because he has some kind.
Speaker 4: Of brain disease.
Speaker 3: And there's a case before the court where two companies
Speaker 3: are trying to merge and the president's trying.
Speaker 4: To step in to stop this merger. And yeah, it
Speaker 4: is not that gripping.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh yeah, monopolies, and like you get little
Speaker 3: like snippets to the.
Speaker 4: Two companies which also mean almost nothing, yea.
Speaker 3: But basically like they are able to create the cure
Speaker 3: for his disease and for his coma that he's put
Speaker 3: himself into I don't know if that's trying to set
Speaker 3: it up for another book, but like, we don't.
Speaker 2: Sere other books. There are other books, so okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's like the big drum and the judge
Speaker 3: who's now the justice sorry, who slipped into this coma?
Speaker 3: He hasn't signed on to the opinion yet, even though
Speaker 3: they argued the case months ago, and it's like a
Speaker 3: big mystery, like why hasn't he slipped? Why hasn't he
Speaker 3: agreed to his opinion? And he usually is a swing vote,
Speaker 3: so like it's not that crazy. But the reason is,
Speaker 3: I don't know something to do with he wanted the
Speaker 3: merger or he didn't, or.
Speaker 6: Or what he wanted, why he wouldn't do that? Instead,
Speaker 6: he puts himself in a coma.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 3: And cares about justice, which is why he put himself
Speaker 3: into the coma and gave his law clerk his power
Speaker 3: of attorney. They're not having sex, I repeat, they are
Speaker 3: not having sex.
Speaker 4: Why does everyone.
Speaker 2: Keep asking obviously got big titties, Okay, Avery's god damn
Speaker 2: big titties.
Speaker 6: I didn't pick up on.
Speaker 2: That did between the lines with everyone's like, oh, of
Speaker 2: course she got you slept with him. You know, she
Speaker 2: must be a hottie. She's a hottie. She's also biracial.
Speaker 2: I feel like we should mention that. Probably the most
Speaker 2: interesting thing of the book is that.
Speaker 4: It's I did not know that she.
Speaker 1: Was, didn't know a thing about her physically.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure this is true. I feel like this is mentioned.
Speaker 6: I don't know if she's biracial or just not white like,
Speaker 6: but they talk about her like Carol mil.
Speaker 2: She's not like that. She's not white. Okay, so she's
Speaker 2: different than most of the lead characters. She's different. That
Speaker 2: is pican brief. She's different, is she?
Speaker 1: But still, did we have a moment where she's like,
Speaker 1: I reach up on my tiptoes to get the staff
Speaker 1: case files that Justice wind put up there so easily.
Speaker 1: I teeter on my tiny little.
Speaker 4: Feet were making this quota?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I'm asking.
Speaker 3: It could have been anything could have happened in this book.
Speaker 1: Getes from.
Speaker 8: Sure. There was there was no indication whether she was
Speaker 8: tall or short, though, So I think there's some hope
Speaker 8: for you, John, that there's a protagonist you can identify with.
Speaker 1: Maybe someday, just like maybe like someone who could model
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, no mention of red hair. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's another that she's unique in that way. If we
Speaker 2: want to, yeah, you know, but anyway, I don't even
Speaker 2: know where the fuck we are. The theme Court Justice
Speaker 2: guy is instead of just like telling Avery anything, I
Speaker 2: mean beyond okay, beyond being like this isn't in same
Speaker 2: plan he created, Instead of just like telling Abrighini, he's like,
Speaker 2: let me make the most complicated riddles, as Sabrina noted
Speaker 2: in the summary, that only she can figure out because
Speaker 2: she has a photographic memory.
Speaker 4: That part was me, not chat GBT.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's true, it was good, great job, CHATB.
Speaker 6: It's like me that makes it seem like it's interesting,
Speaker 6: like complicated riddles that makes it seem interesting, but it's not.
Speaker 6: It's like, here's a series of numbers that corresponds to
Speaker 6: constellations painted on the ceiling of the Sun's bedroom, and
Speaker 6: there's a clue hidden under the bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it is information that like you couldn't
Speaker 3: know even if you could, even if you could identify that.
Speaker 3: It's like constellations or chess moves you as the reader.
Speaker 3: You're grounded in nothing. Yeah, it's like it's not look
Speaker 3: up to the sky at the constellation. It's like I said,
Speaker 3: it's know that it's on the Sun's bedroom. That's never
Speaker 3: been mentioned before.
Speaker 2: And they also didn't the clues did not relate to
Speaker 2: like the Big Bad of like the whole genetic Uh
Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to make a genetic weapon to
Speaker 2: kill Muslims in India, Like that was the big bad
Speaker 2: and it you know, like if you read it, Dan Brown,
Speaker 2: whatever you say, the clues at least like they are
Speaker 2: they make you feel smart because and they also like
Speaker 2: reference the long game of the book, like they're about
Speaker 2: the bad guy. They're historical in a way that relates
Speaker 2: to the main you know, the main plot. This was
Speaker 2: just like as we're saying, the clues were just so
Speaker 2: they were bad. There were there's a lot of chess clues.
Speaker 2: I'm not a chess player. Did anybody find the chess
Speaker 2: clues interesting? Who maybe plays chess?
Speaker 6: Chess?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like chess. I didn't find the clues fun or interesting.
Speaker 1: It was like, go ahead.
Speaker 6: One of the clues was like, oh, this is chess
Speaker 6: notation except some of the letters are wrong and not
Speaker 6: used in chess. Notation. Right, okay, so why how the
Speaker 6: fuck does it look like chess notation was using totally
Speaker 6: different letters, and then one of them is like, let's
Speaker 6: look it up in different languages. Oh it's chess notation
Speaker 6: in a different language than the one you speak. Reader
Speaker 6: of this.
Speaker 1: Notation in FARSI? Cool? Okay, how was I going to
Speaker 1: know that? I mean, I think I got turned off
Speaker 1: the whole chess thing from the attributed to albert I. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after that, I was done. I might be done with
Speaker 1: chess forever. This book might have killed reading from me
Speaker 1: and a little well internet activity I liked, Thanks Stacey.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was really really felt like it was meant
Speaker 6: to put chess players on a bit of a pedestal
Speaker 6: as intellectuals, no more than non chess plays.
Speaker 1: Which like, yes, that makes sense and we do and
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 6: But you know, oh so you were playing chess anymore?
Speaker 1: John?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well a do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Can we talk about a.
Speaker 3: Weird like symbol slash motif to be the through line
Speaker 3: in a book?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, I feel like symbols and motifs
Speaker 3: are usually not so specific as chests and chess moves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like the color blue like yeah, water.
Speaker 6: Also when he did, he in his like one of
Speaker 6: his secret message codes, he kept saying like last bower,
Speaker 6: which apparently is when you sacrifice two bishops. But for
Speaker 6: some reason, both Avery and the bad guy like why
Speaker 6: are you? Why would why is that part of it?
Speaker 6: Both the President and Avery got that information and quickly
Speaker 6: where like it means the bishops are being sacrificed, Like
Speaker 6: why are you telling people that?
Speaker 1: How is that deep into chess? Lord, you have to
Speaker 1: be to know that? Also, right, it's not like it's
Speaker 1: he didn't say like the queen's gambit or like I
Speaker 1: still don't.
Speaker 2: Understand what it means. They were just like he's the bishop.
Speaker 1: It looks like you play chess. Do you know what
Speaker 1: it means?
Speaker 8: What they're referencing? I don't understand. But I think the
Speaker 8: whole point of setting it up was like we got
Speaker 8: to find out who's the bishop, Like that's the big mystery.
Speaker 8: Who's the Oh wait, the judge is actually the bishop.
Speaker 8: He sacrificed himself, so who's the queen? Like there was
Speaker 8: so much conversation about the history of pieces, like it
Speaker 8: has to be a fory.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, it has to be who's the king, is.
Speaker 1: The queen his son Jared?
Speaker 8: I think the queen.
Speaker 4: Got to be the queens?
Speaker 2: These characters guys, Okay, yeah, can you run through the characters? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So we've got Avery keene ian O or I love
Speaker 3: or she's the main character, might have big boobs, might not,
Speaker 3: might be tall, might be short, does have a photographic memory.
Speaker 3: Is Justice Wins a law clerk. Then we have Jared Wynn,
Speaker 3: who is Justice Wins's estrange son and I think Avery's
Speaker 3: love interest.
Speaker 4: Though they certainly don't spend enough time that it.
Speaker 2: Was It was so funny because it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: at least they're not doing that trope where they too
Speaker 2: fall in love. And then all of a sudden it
Speaker 2: was like, well there, I guess together. Now what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just like they just kissed at one point
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, okay, well we didn't develop that,
Speaker 3: but that's fine.
Speaker 6: It was just I also and a girl spent some
Speaker 6: time together.
Speaker 3: They had to kiss, and I thought we were gonna
Speaker 3: get a cool payoff where it's like we found out
Speaker 3: that the reason that the judge never spoke to Jared
Speaker 3: after his life was.
Speaker 4: To make the off his hand.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it was all a long game to make
Speaker 2: them all long.
Speaker 3: No, But I thought I was gonna be like he
Speaker 3: knew that there was like a target on his back,
Speaker 3: or like, I don't know, something salacious, but it seems
Speaker 3: like he was just a bad father.
Speaker 2: It did seem like that.
Speaker 8: There was a point where I thought they like slept
Speaker 8: at Avery's apartment, and the way they worded it, I
Speaker 8: was like, Oh, they slept together, like they had sex,
Speaker 8: and they didn't elaborate on it at all. And I
Speaker 8: was like, Oh, that's kind of nice that it just
Speaker 8: happened and we moved on, and then at the end
Speaker 8: of the book they kissed it. It was a huge deal,
Speaker 8: and I was like, I think I mis understood what's happened.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be invested in this.
Speaker 2: Also, what a reaction. If I had thought that, like
Speaker 2: they slept together and there was no details, I would
Speaker 2: have been pissed off. I would have been like, I agree, Fuck,
Speaker 2: you are so verbose, stacy, and you're not gonna tell
Speaker 2: me about you know, his his manhood, you know, straining
Speaker 2: in a pants. You're not gonna get me anything.
Speaker 4: Come on, I agree.
Speaker 6: Sounds like you got there in your own.
Speaker 4: Create my own.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Then we have Noah Fox, who is Justice wins Trust
Speaker 3: in the States Attorney.
Speaker 2: I'd cut him from this editing.
Speaker 4: He's the one.
Speaker 3: Who CHATCHBT told me was Avery's best friend and so
Speaker 3: not an advertisement for chat gybt.
Speaker 4: But he is a lawyer.
Speaker 3: He does help a lot, and he has written Justice
Speaker 3: wins Will several times. And there's one little mystery where
Speaker 3: there's a cotta sill that even he doesn't know where
Speaker 3: it is. Then of course we have Justice win he's
Speaker 3: the one who's asleep.
Speaker 6: Then interesting, is this.
Speaker 4: A real character? Justice? Valerie Jorgensen?
Speaker 2: Was that a justice.
Speaker 8: Something?
Speaker 4: I told you? It wasn't Listen.
Speaker 1: Jorgensen.
Speaker 2: What's Avery's mom? I don't see Ay's mom on this?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Avery's mom.
Speaker 2: I feel like Rita. Rita is a big character and
Speaker 2: also like, you know, a very one note character. She
Speaker 2: has an addiction and seems like I just kept thinking, like,
Speaker 2: can they just kill this character off because she seemed
Speaker 2: awful the whole time. Didn't ever seem.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, she gets kidnapped at some point, it's not
Speaker 3: that interesting.
Speaker 2: I was like, Avery, your mom's your mom sucks? Like
Speaker 2: there's nothing, there's no redeeming her, like just let her.
Speaker 6: Go crack addict who keeps asking for money, And then
Speaker 6: and we.
Speaker 2: And we all see yeah, yeah, we also and we
Speaker 2: also here within Rita's mind at some point like what
Speaker 2: is it when they're doing omnipresent narration or whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck that happened in this book, and you always.
Speaker 4: Want everyone was thinking, which was weird.
Speaker 2: But like her mom was, you would think like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get something revealed, but she was just like
Speaker 2: my fucking daughter, always looking for never appreciating me, Bye
Speaker 2: bye bae. It was like, oh, so you're just really evil.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, it might have been where's my crack.
Speaker 1: It's like you're in a fight with someone and what
Speaker 1: you imagine they're thinking in their heads, I'm a martyr
Speaker 1: and I'm just pointing out that I did one more
Speaker 1: thing for you, and it's like the other person's voice
Speaker 1: is like, well, I'm just a piece of ship just
Speaker 1: because I knew it. I'll kiss you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, she was a bad character.
Speaker 3: President Brandon Stokes, he's the big baddie who's trying to
Speaker 3: stop that merger. Oh I didn't include Vance. He's the
Speaker 3: head of the Department of Defense.
Speaker 2: I think, and.
Speaker 6: So Vance has he's like a special assistant to the President. Basically,
Speaker 6: he's like a home he works for Homeland Security Science Department.
Speaker 6: Oh that's his job, and uh, that's question several times,
Speaker 6: why is the science department here? What the hell is
Speaker 6: going on? And he just stands there like a military man.
Speaker 2: So it's awesome. Broadcasts like what when when When you
Speaker 2: found out there was like some sort of science experiments
Speaker 2: kind of like going on on people, you were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Vance is clearly the part of this because they keep
Speaker 2: talking about how he does. It was never like a
Speaker 2: surprising reveal when it was like it's Vance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of like, oh, that's what Vance
Speaker 6: was doing.
Speaker 4: That was wait, I thought we always knew it was Vans.
Speaker 2: They made it like it was written like it's a reveal,
Speaker 2: like oh, in the person, another man walked into the
Speaker 2: room and she's like, oh, it was it's Vance.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 1: Spirise, Government Sellience Experimentation, Avery Surprise.
Speaker 8: This book was like watching other people do an escape
Speaker 8: room and you have the answer key, Like you would
Speaker 8: go see the person and like find out the answer
Speaker 8: to the riddle, and then you would watch them solve
Speaker 8: the riddle. And you're like, Okay, they're gonna get there.
Speaker 8: They're gonna get they're going to figure out that it's
Speaker 8: medical experiment. They're gonna get Oh, they got it. Great,
Speaker 8: all right, cut back to Stokes, So he's gonna explain
Speaker 8: the plot.
Speaker 3: Wait that is it's so true And it's also such
Speaker 3: a funny juxtaposition with like the clues that Avery has
Speaker 3: to figure out are things we could never possibly know.
Speaker 4: So it's like we either have too much information or
Speaker 4: not enough. There's no situation in which we have just
Speaker 4: the right amount. As a reader. That's crazy I even
Speaker 4: think about that. But we have Lee. Also, he's a
Speaker 4: good boy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we like Lee.
Speaker 4: He's the FBI guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I forgot who he was. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I forgot who he was too. I was like, was
Speaker 1: there a dog in this book?
Speaker 2: There are too many characters in this book? Also, we
Speaker 2: can all agree there are too many charas.
Speaker 1: Too many characters. Can we talk about one of my
Speaker 1: favorite moments in the whole book. Yeah, it's what Stacy
Speaker 1: Abrams thinks a late night would say. So it's just okay,
Speaker 1: so this is page three, so it's early on.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically Justice win whispers something into the president's ear,
Speaker 1: and the late night comedians are all over it, okay,
Speaker 1: and they have incredible little jokes to follow it up.
Speaker 1: So not sure what Justice Win whispered there, but I
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say he won't be endorsing the president.
Speaker 1: It for re election deadpanned the late night host to
Speaker 1: Rocus up.
Speaker 6: And that was his best one. That was the best joke.
Speaker 1: But but that it got raucous was people. It was
Speaker 1: so funny. People didn't just have laughter, they had clapped her.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then he goes on to say they called Justice Win
Speaker 1: the voice of the people. But now everyone's wondering if
Speaker 1: he's the one hearing voices. He's known for riding the
Speaker 1: subway in DC, but this makes me wonder if he'll
Speaker 1: be living in the tunnels soon.
Speaker 6: I feel like you're choosing all the good ones.
Speaker 7: Jonah o Hey the best late night comedian in the country.
Speaker 7: His best joke for this big political moment.
Speaker 1: Was makes you wonder if he's crazy like a homeless person.
Speaker 6: At least there's a comparison. How about this one where
Speaker 6: you know he talks about he has a meltdown at
Speaker 6: the American University by just Justice Howard Wynn, or perhaps
Speaker 6: he should just be called Justice. Where the hell am I?
Speaker 6: That was one.
Speaker 1: And then another going crazy.
Speaker 6: The next one is they'll give him his own reality show,
Speaker 6: crazy Justice.
Speaker 1: That was just like an insult to my I don't know, Blake,
Speaker 1: did you feel insulted? You like comedy?
Speaker 8: I loved it so much and like it released on
Speaker 8: a tone for me with the whole book that like
Speaker 8: one of the first times Avery interacts with another person,
Speaker 8: the author like testifies why the comebacks in this book
Speaker 8: are going to be lackluster, just like Avery was too
Speaker 8: tired to come up with a witty comeback, shut up, Matt.
Speaker 8: And then every comeback in the whole book was some
Speaker 8: version of like stop it screw you no more.
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. And you know what, the
Speaker 1: funniest people I know, the more tired they get, the
Speaker 1: meaner and more insane their little picky comebacks become.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it reminds me of when my
Speaker 2: grandfather got dementia. Sorry, it just like starts reverting to
Speaker 2: like being like sticking out your tongue when somebody says
Speaker 2: something mean. That's what it felt like, like, you really
Speaker 2: don't have anything going on?
Speaker 8: Wow?
Speaker 3: Is Shohna one of those? Or sorry, was Sarah one
Speaker 3: of those people you were referencing?
Speaker 2: I did I did think. I did think, but I
Speaker 2: tried to hide it. Okay, So what was anything else
Speaker 2: in this book worth talking about?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's uh, there is. The first forty one
Speaker 3: percent of the book is trying to figure out why
Speaker 3: he chose her. And that's kind of interesting because he
Speaker 3: chose her because of her photographic memory.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's interesting. I guess it's obvious.
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say maybe obvious, but also
Speaker 2: like stupid because like, again, why is he doing any
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's obvious in a way because it also doesn't
Speaker 6: make sense that he doesn't just do any it. Why
Speaker 6: does he have to go and Coleman and have somebody
Speaker 6: else do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that never makes We don't ever know why he
Speaker 2: never know I don't understand.
Speaker 4: We don't know honestly anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, why wouldn't he just make a decision
Speaker 3: If he's the swing vote, he can get them, he
Speaker 3: can make he can rule in the exact way.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it's the president stepping in is
Speaker 4: the problem?
Speaker 8: But like that's that's what they say. I forget the
Speaker 8: like exact framing of it. Maybe Sarah with her legal
Speaker 8: background can help us, but say, uh yeah, I think
Speaker 8: the issue is that if they've just passed the vote,
Speaker 8: then Stokes will do something to like negate it, so
Speaker 8: they have to keep it in this weird limbo until
Speaker 8: they can expose the whole story.
Speaker 6: But he's also if he's able to give clues to
Speaker 6: all the information, it means he has all the information,
Speaker 6: like all, yeah, like he couldn't expose why.
Speaker 2: Can't I guess it felt like it was very confusing
Speaker 2: because it felt like it was the same reason why
Speaker 2: Avery later was like I can't just tell everyone I
Speaker 2: had this information. I have to do it in a
Speaker 2: different confusing way by this do it is Supreme Court
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, nobody will believe me. But it's
Speaker 2: like I don't know why anybody believes you in that
Speaker 2: situation versus any other situation. Like also, as we all know,
Speaker 2: like we live in this current society, like disinformation is everywhere.
Speaker 2: People choose to not like believe the truth all the time.
Speaker 2: Like I just am like, yeah, I actually do. I
Speaker 2: thought that was like maybe the most salient point of
Speaker 2: the book. That's like, oh, people won't believe it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: people probably don't care about any of this. Honestly, all
Speaker 2: of this. I mean it's horrible, sure, but like President's
Speaker 2: Brandon Stokes gets reelected easy, Like, I don't believe this
Speaker 2: affects anything, you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, President Brandon. It's just truly so crazy and
Speaker 3: I don't understand. Also, like the science people are down
Speaker 3: to share the information.
Speaker 2: They feel guilty. They feel a little guilty that they
Speaker 2: were genociding I guess, or like sure, creating evil weapons
Speaker 2: not of mass destruction. You know, they're trying to kill
Speaker 2: all the.
Speaker 6: Most new genocide weapons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they're like, oopsies, I wish we hadn't
Speaker 2: done that. And then that's it.
Speaker 3: What's so funny is I am like one hundred percent
Speaker 3: positive based on how much information was in this book.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent positive that like when Stacy listens
Speaker 3: to this, she's gonna be like, no, it was explained
Speaker 3: in that one line about the chest stuff. You guys
Speaker 3: just missed it. And it's like that's that's the problem.
Speaker 2: We all missed it. See that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I bet it's in there. Clip through some
Speaker 1: of yeah, some of those words you add for no reason.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just clip prune.
Speaker 8: Wait.
Speaker 3: But also it gets like this book is so crazy,
Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, his nurse gets murdered, and of
Speaker 3: course Avery is on scene, and they're like, oh, pretty
Speaker 3: suspicious that, Like, your boss is in a coma, his
Speaker 3: nurse is murdered. All of a sudden, you've got five
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars infused into your account.
Speaker 4: Where did that come from?
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't recall some other random guy
Speaker 2: I don't I don't.
Speaker 6: Know one of the companies trying to be merged.
Speaker 8: Together, the Southern guy from the audio book.
Speaker 1: So Avery is fucking people absolutely, and then it's not said,
Speaker 1: but it's implied.
Speaker 2: Is what we're getting at, Big titties.
Speaker 1: The big titties are implied in this book.
Speaker 4: There are bugs all over her apartment. And when they
Speaker 4: start to.
Speaker 2: Like listening devices, guys, listening device, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just don't want the listeners to think the book started
Speaker 2: to get cool in someway, like some sort of yeah no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 6: The thing with the listening devices pissed me out so much.
Speaker 6: It was like she's fidgeting with something and then it
Speaker 6: falls down and oh, it's a listening device. And she
Speaker 6: quickly like pretends not to notice it. It's like it's
Speaker 6: a listening device and you were just fingering the fuck out.
Speaker 2: They know, you know, but they didn't sign out.
Speaker 1: Said into it. She was like a listening device. But
Speaker 1: I'll pretend.
Speaker 2: But it works because then they'd like say false things
Speaker 2: in the room and that like tricks the bad guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know they do.
Speaker 3: But then also the book immediately tells you that, So
Speaker 3: it's not like a cool reveal or anything. It's like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm going to do X y Z, and
Speaker 3: then Avery thinks they don't know. I know that they're
Speaker 3: listening to me. Ha ha ha, Like give us, give
Speaker 3: us anything to hang on to.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I don't understand why he couldn't do it himself,
Speaker 6: But all right, let's say there's a reason. Why does
Speaker 6: he have to speak to her and clues? Now, Yeah,
Speaker 6: why can't the letter he leaves for her or just
Speaker 6: fucking say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like burning a lot of time and almost
Speaker 3: getting murdered a lot trying to decode these clues.
Speaker 1: It is, and she finds these secret files of his,
Speaker 1: like just put a letter in the file that explains everything.
Speaker 3: Yes, he continues, you could just email her.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He was like, oh he used the disappearit
Speaker 2: ink and he knew I would figure it out because I,
Speaker 2: for one semester in college was a chemistry major or
Speaker 2: some shit like that.
Speaker 1: Wait, this is my other biggest beef with the book.
Speaker 1: So the reason he decides to make Avery his execu
Speaker 1: what's it called.
Speaker 4: Uh guardian power of attorney.
Speaker 1: Is because he tries he gives her power of attorney
Speaker 1: because he does this whole interview process with her where
Speaker 1: she answers all of his questions correctly. He's like, so
Speaker 1: tell me what your mother does. Oh yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you you know think about breaking the law sometimes? And
Speaker 1: she's just like saying all the right things, all flying colors,
Speaker 1: and she's maintaining this like cool calm veneer the whole time.
Speaker 1: And then at the very end of it, he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, sign your name here to this mysterious doctor. Yes,
Speaker 1: and she's like okay, and she signs her name and
Speaker 1: it's like, so you want the person that's executing this
Speaker 1: brand plan to be someone that will just sign their
Speaker 1: name to any contract you hand them. Yes, So that
Speaker 1: should be the final test that disqualifies her.
Speaker 6: Literally, what did she sign? Did we ever find out
Speaker 6: it was.
Speaker 2: The thing that made her the gave her the guardian?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like her to be his power of attorney.
Speaker 6: But then wouldn't everybody be like, why is this the
Speaker 6: surprise you signed this?
Speaker 4: Yes, they should have said that. They should have asked
Speaker 4: that question. Another thing that I think is crazy is
Speaker 4: like they were like, we need.
Speaker 3: To figure out way to really motivate her to care
Speaker 3: about justice Wynn, who is just her employer, who she
Speaker 3: is in fact not fucking And so there's like a
Speaker 3: little flashback to a scene where they're in the Metro
Speaker 3: and he helps her drug.
Speaker 4: Mom, Like, Yeah, what's he do? Is he like fights someone.
Speaker 6: Off with the cane he holds up the old.
Speaker 2: A man is an evil evil man is like, Oh,
Speaker 2: you're druggudled mother, I'm gonna go rape her. And like
Speaker 2: he's like literally saying this to the to avery. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to the whole Yeah, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: take her back here and rape her and you can't
Speaker 2: do anything about it. Ha ha haa, like just how
Speaker 2: it would happen. And then yeah, and he appears with
Speaker 2: a cane.
Speaker 1: He uses his old man's strength to wave the cane,
Speaker 1: and it's very frightening because he is a man. Now
Speaker 1: a man is appearing, runs.
Speaker 2: Away, rapist runs.
Speaker 3: And so now she's like, I'm really you have no
Speaker 3: idea what he's done for me.
Speaker 10: So I will risk my enthigher reputation and career and
Speaker 10: actual life in order to maybe figure out this very
Speaker 10: complex series of clues that.
Speaker 3: Are all based on one singular conversation that we had
Speaker 3: where he showed me how he plays Chess Dynamo on his.
Speaker 4: Desktop at work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bad book, you guys.
Speaker 4: Wait, but the resolution we can't leave you all hanging.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, we can. No one cares.
Speaker 6: They are hanging on our everything.
Speaker 3: And again I don't know why this had to happen
Speaker 3: in this manner, but there's a lot of pressure for
Speaker 3: her to resign his post so that President's jokes can
Speaker 3: put a new person on the court and they can
Speaker 3: quickly get this case out of it.
Speaker 2: He's gonna do it secretly during recess, and that's gonna
Speaker 2: be sneaky of him, which I didn't look into if
Speaker 2: that could happen. But I'll say it can't happen. I'm
Speaker 2: saying that sounds not like nonsense.
Speaker 3: It would feel crazy for her to have gotten that wrong,
Speaker 3: but crazier things have happened, like this book being in existence.
Speaker 4: But so she.
Speaker 3: Resigns publicly and then the next day maybe truly so
Speaker 3: that like President Jokes is satisfied. Vance the evil guy
Speaker 3: is satisfied blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And oh also Vance he.
Speaker 3: Had kidnapped her mother and he was gonna kill both
Speaker 3: her mother and her because family should stay together.
Speaker 4: But then she challenges in court.
Speaker 3: The resignation that she submitted, and then she has like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's admitted. Oh, they also are
Speaker 3: like the Justice made sure that she got admitted to
Speaker 3: practice before the Supreme Court because he felt like she should,
Speaker 3: so she is authorized to argue before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: And that I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna be upset because if I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: if she wasn't authorized and she was before the Super Court,
Speaker 2: I would have pissed off. I'd been like, she's not authorized.
Speaker 2: I would have definitely caught that.
Speaker 4: Like that is also like it's such a crazy thing
Speaker 4: to put in there.
Speaker 3: Who was going to be like, I bet she is
Speaker 3: not certified to argue before the Supreme Court. She is
Speaker 3: just a clerk. But yeah, I mean, was there more
Speaker 3: to the end of that. It's just like she challenges
Speaker 3: it and the world's like, you go.
Speaker 2: Girl, and then she reveals she uses the opportunity like
Speaker 2: the court case to like with their last five minutes
Speaker 2: or I don't even know. She's like, oh, by the
Speaker 2: rebuttal with the rebuttal like this is he's the president's
Speaker 2: doing all this bad ship. And then the president like
Speaker 2: corners her, or does the president or is Advance one
Speaker 2: of them corners her?
Speaker 6: And then like so the President's just like, no, I
Speaker 6: didn't do Advance did at all. I didn't do it.
Speaker 6: And then she's she's like alone in an office and
Speaker 6: Vance comes and points a gun at her.
Speaker 2: And it's like, here's all the information.
Speaker 11: Here's everything he needed, and also here's a video of
Speaker 11: the current president killing a former president, so that should
Speaker 11: take care of that.
Speaker 3: And his justification was because the president threw him under
Speaker 3: the bus, and he was like I was on his side,
Speaker 3: but I do not care for being betrayed.
Speaker 6: He forgot that I have a video of coming.
Speaker 1: One of those things. You know, it just s loves
Speaker 1: your mind and it's not.
Speaker 6: Don't there was nothing earlier in the book about the
Speaker 6: former president dying. There there was Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, I don't remember. I don't remember it.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 6: All Right, Well, it wasn't a mystery President cod or
Speaker 6: something like that. I don't care.
Speaker 2: No, agreed, don't care. Well, there's another book, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure she figures it out.
Speaker 4: My god, I got to read the next book.
Speaker 3: Actually, I heard from the person who recommended it to
Speaker 3: our recommender.
Speaker 4: Well, it's okay.
Speaker 3: What happened was that the recommender communicated with me that
Speaker 3: the person who recommended the book to them said that.
Speaker 4: The subsequent books are impossible to follow.
Speaker 2: Was surprised.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this one was why would you lest someone film it?
Speaker 4: That's nuts Prepostero. I guess it's really not.
Speaker 6: How many copies are there?
Speaker 3: Also, what was in codicil twenty seven, that's the missing
Speaker 3: codicil to the will? Was it the resignation?
Speaker 2: So it was something where she was like, I will
Speaker 2: kill myself if you don't do it before the end
Speaker 2: of term. It was something that made a time limit
Speaker 2: to what was happening. That made it be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we have to do it now. I don't remember exactly
Speaker 2: what it was.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, his second wife was going to get in
Speaker 8: given custody. There's maybe fifteen important characters that we have
Speaker 8: not even named, and I'm so happy we've just important.
Speaker 2: I would argue with you on that the why judges.
Speaker 2: Why was she important?
Speaker 8: Why she was the whole reason there was a time
Speaker 8: limit on the thing. There was in Darna, who was
Speaker 8: one of the scientists who knew about the genocide but
Speaker 8: was still a good guy. But we cut to her
Speaker 8: perspective multiple times for no reason. There was Annie the science.
Speaker 2: She had a really very thick Indian accent in the
Speaker 2: audio book, which.
Speaker 6: I would say is not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it. I definitely immediately wrote it because
Speaker 2: it also referred to like the fact that everyone there
Speaker 2: like could speak perfect English, and then the audiobook reader
Speaker 2: in a bad any accent. I was like, Yeah, weird,
Speaker 2: that's a weird choice. That's a weird choice.
Speaker 8: It was wild. Oh there's the FBI agent or the
Speaker 8: Homeland Security agent what's her name, Papolio that we cut
Speaker 8: to her. Remember we cut to her perspective, like seventy
Speaker 8: five percent into the book, and then she died in
Speaker 8: the same chapter. It's like, we introducing.
Speaker 2: Because that's funny. That is funny, But I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 6: The name is familiar.
Speaker 4: I'm like, did I have the abridge?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: It was also so funny that all this shit happened.
Speaker 6: And then it was like, I need to get some sleep.
Speaker 6: It's been such a day, Like it takes place over
Speaker 6: such a few amount of days. It's like less than
Speaker 6: a week. All this fucking shit happens.
Speaker 1: I think it's Stacey AB's got advice. It's like talk
Speaker 1: about a moment, yeah, than a long period of time.
Speaker 1: And she was like, all right, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot to.
Speaker 6: Screak this one day.
Speaker 1: If that's the writing strategy, that's the strategy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: There was also.
Speaker 3: The main character's roommate who was a hacker or something
Speaker 3: convenient for the plot.
Speaker 6: A doctor. I think a doctor is like a doctor.
Speaker 4: Actually like could do graphic design.
Speaker 2: I'm you sure, why not? You know why not? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 6: There was something where they needed to find some contact,
Speaker 6: and so they're like, well, buy internet.
Speaker 2: They're Internet ASTs.
Speaker 1: And it was what I liked about it was they
Speaker 1: really went into like cost pertion and the specifics of
Speaker 1: how to get in to stream and you know what
Speaker 1: six nine and before k they talked about file exports.
Speaker 1: It was like really interesting.
Speaker 6: It was like and it's it was it'll be for
Speaker 6: people to search for chess online.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, because oh that's wow.
Speaker 3: You're so right, Like there are so many characters that
Speaker 3: like we haven't even mentioned. There was this guy who
Speaker 3: was playing chess against win and they were like.
Speaker 4: Searching for him for a really long time.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's something so funny about their chess game
Speaker 6: didn't have a chat. And then they copy and pasted
Speaker 6: the u ur L for the chat like into a
Speaker 6: different window, and that's decoded it somehow.
Speaker 2: There was they looked at the history. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: was simple. You go ahead to be clear.
Speaker 1: One of the clues in the book was they were
Speaker 1: looking at it online chess game and they said, it's
Speaker 1: really strange that there's no chat history. Yes, let's put
Speaker 1: it into a different window.
Speaker 6: Oh, they really copied and pasted it. They didn't go
Speaker 6: like look at the coach see history or look at
Speaker 6: the code. They copied and pasted.
Speaker 4: This book is so funny.
Speaker 3: I feel like Stacy Abrams is very smart. She just
Speaker 3: can't see the forest for the trees on this.
Speaker 6: Book, maybe spreading herself a little thin. Yeah, and you
Speaker 6: can pick one career.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, this book made me even
Speaker 1: question her politically because there's this one moment where she
Speaker 1: describes a house where the nurse lived. The murdered nurse,
Speaker 1: Jamie Lewis lived in one of those buildings where the
Speaker 1: middle class clung by its fingernails, unable to afford a house,
Speaker 1: but too proud to move deeper into Maryland.
Speaker 12: Do you think I'm.
Speaker 1: Too proud to move further away from the city where
Speaker 1: I work and that's the public or do you think
Speaker 1: it might be that I can't I can't afford to
Speaker 1: live here, but I also can't afford to live two
Speaker 1: hours away. It really I was like, that's what you
Speaker 1: think it is. The housing crisis is.
Speaker 2: Tied to my pride. Pride, Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1: I won't buy a house. Stacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She did not win me as a fan.
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the judges politics were so confusing to me because
Speaker 8: he was like so anti science and like railing against
Speaker 8: the modern world. But then at the end he's like, anyway,
Speaker 8: this corporate merger should happen, and I'm all for it.
Speaker 8: But that's a Republican. Don't like him, and you're just like,
Speaker 8: what the fuck? What is your take?
Speaker 2: And that's why he's the swing vote baby, so because
Speaker 2: he doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Well, but also when things impact you, you can shift
Speaker 3: your whole belief system in order to make that line up.
Speaker 1: And that's what a judge's job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I have Jared.
Speaker 2: I just realized your judge's name is Jared. Sorry, it's
Speaker 2: just really funny to me to imagine, like a Supreme
Speaker 2: Court judge Jared.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's his son. That's his son. His name
Speaker 4: was Howard.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, a little better, a little bit.
Speaker 1: Another when your name and your kids, guys think about
Speaker 1: they might have a career. Are you really going to
Speaker 1: have a Cocoa? And she's give you a judge, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you see, yeah, you know that's a name.
Speaker 1: I like it's a name. I'm considering.
Speaker 4: Coco.
Speaker 1: I asked myself.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 6: I think it's cute.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 2: Chat to pick from Oka.
Speaker 6: It is a dog's name, but it is cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so is Abby and there's plenty of human abby's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I think Abby was a human name. First, it's it's
Speaker 1: morphed into dog.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2: It's Abby Abby, But we're talking meaning Alfie. I'm confused
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 1: No, no, we're talking about we're.
Speaker 3: Talking about we're talking about dog name.
Speaker 4: But I like what humans use.
Speaker 6: I like what you're doing. I like what you do.
Speaker 1: Just moving it into a conversation about Alphie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's so sweet, sweet.
Speaker 2: He would have found the bad guy immediately, he would have.
Speaker 6: I hear him.
Speaker 3: Now listeners, you can't see it, but Clara was just
Speaker 3: overcome with glee.
Speaker 2: It was very cute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that was like as much of an
Speaker 1: impression of Alfie as it was just like as though
Speaker 1: I were like, I'm gonna do it an impression of
Speaker 1: the president, and then I was just like.
Speaker 6: No, that's not true.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just saying I think when we do it,
Speaker 1: when we do impressions of dogs barking, I think what
Speaker 1: were it's like offensive nonsense that's actually coming out of
Speaker 1: our mouths.
Speaker 2: I think that dogs would be offended. Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: I see I see, yes, yes, dogs would be like
Speaker 2: that's Chinese.
Speaker 1: That's not what I say. Yes, yes, they would be
Speaker 1: like that is it's not a word. You're making sounds
Speaker 1: like a bark, but you're not saying any words, and
Speaker 1: it's offensive to my culture.
Speaker 6: Though it had a nice viciousness to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I could do a willow, but it
Speaker 3: would be silent, so I wouldn't really translate for the listeners.
Speaker 4: But it's kind of like for me, it's kind of like, is.
Speaker 2: That because is that because John a dog's vocal cords?
Speaker 2: Is that what? No? But he's just like Gary.
Speaker 1: She very good, Serena.
Speaker 2: Do you want to describe what she's doing.
Speaker 6: She's doing it.
Speaker 1: She is doing little head tilts where she is showing
Speaker 1: us that she's extremely concerned and attentive to what is happening,
Speaker 1: and she does think something could go wrong at any moment,
Speaker 1: or it could go really right at any moment, and
Speaker 1: she just heard something outside in the other room that
Speaker 1: might need her full attention. Yeah, great, it was very good.
Speaker 2: It was very correct, And that's kind of like how.
Speaker 6: Sort of sing a different tune.
Speaker 1: It didn't make my heart sore.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of like how Stacy Abrams writes, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: something that happened, took a second happened. But she's gonna
Speaker 2: it's going to take her, you know, twenty five seconds
Speaker 2: to a minute to explain what that what that action was. Yes,
Speaker 2: but are we stupid?
Speaker 1: Like have the other books just addled our brains and
Speaker 1: now we can't read.
Speaker 3: Like this is a really good book and we don't
Speaker 3: understand read anymore.
Speaker 6: One of the ones that's hurting our brains.
Speaker 1: I'm just worried. Maybe we need to like read some
Speaker 1: like test do Uberville or something and just like read
Speaker 1: a real book to make sure we still can't.
Speaker 2: You know what, we could throw that in next season
Speaker 2: if you want to.
Speaker 6: I think I don't really want to.
Speaker 4: But I would read a real book that is not long?
Speaker 6: Fair you have any short?
Speaker 2: We already did Old Man in the same way that
Speaker 2: book blows.
Speaker 1: We got to do one next season. I'm just worried.
Speaker 1: I'm worried I'm becoming demented.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that that is that is that's fair.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can recommend some palate cleansers at some point,
Speaker 2: but do we have I don't know, do we anything else?
Speaker 2: Or you're going to go to good Reads?
Speaker 1: I think I want to ask, do you have any
Speaker 1: more big points to hit anything?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 8: At some point, his lawyer referred to him as mister Justice,
Speaker 8: and I just referred to him as that, which is
Speaker 8: really fun. I also fully thought that his attorney and
Speaker 8: Noah were two separate characters, and that no just appeared
Speaker 8: at some point in the book, and I was like,
Speaker 8: I'm not going to go back and figure out where
Speaker 8: that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of times with mean book club books,
Speaker 6: I just refuse to go back, even if I am confused.
Speaker 6: You just can't give them that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's not worth the time.
Speaker 1: I've given you that five minutes of my life already
Speaker 1: you're not getting Yeah, you had an opportunity. Well I
Speaker 1: think we should move on because I'm I forgot if
Speaker 1: you've prepared it or not. But Blake did have a
Speaker 1: fun little segment he brought up wanting.
Speaker 8: To do Yeah, it's pretty quick, but it's tied into
Speaker 8: little Fuckers. So if we want to do hate rates first, maybe.
Speaker 2: Reads first, let's do good Reads hate rates, and then
Speaker 2: we'll do this new segment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sound good, good.
Speaker 2: Here's a few five star reviews from Goodreads. Matt said
Speaker 2: me on November sixth, twenty twenty a Stacy Abrams novel
Speaker 2: It could be the word vote for eighty thousand words
Speaker 2: and it gets five stars from me. Me in March
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one when I read the book. It turns
Speaker 2: out Stacy Abrams can write a damn good legal medical thriller.
Speaker 2: This is a story about Supreme Court with a swing vote,
Speaker 2: a judge in a coma, and a law clerk turned
Speaker 2: legal guardian who has left to solve mystery that can
Speaker 2: change the county's future. This brilliant and brainy thriller that
Speaker 2: involves genetic bioengineering, political prowess, and a lot of chess.
Speaker 2: But it's got story that won't quit and some awesome characters.
Speaker 2: Five stars.
Speaker 6: All right, Well he admitted a bias.
Speaker 4: Yeah up front?
Speaker 2: Did he did?
Speaker 12: He did?
Speaker 6: I would have much preferred a book that was vote
Speaker 6: over and over and over.
Speaker 2: There there was a lot more of the one star
Speaker 2: reviews or two star reviews of people being like I
Speaker 2: picked this up because I like Stacy Abrams. But now
Speaker 2: I'm like, Stacy, please stop stop.
Speaker 1: It's such a shame. It's such a shame when you
Speaker 1: learn more about someone and you're just like, I wish
Speaker 1: I didn't know this about you. No, I don't like you.
Speaker 4: I don't not like.
Speaker 1: I don't think I like.
Speaker 6: It makes it harder.
Speaker 2: All right, you guys want to do your hate rates,
Speaker 2: one good reason do it. I mean I had other ones,
Speaker 2: but I'm just looked at them and I was like,
Speaker 2: now worth speaking them. Let's move on. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Can go five out of five. I've never said that.
Speaker 2: Well Justice sleep so well.
Speaker 4: That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2: That's good. I like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give it a five out of
Speaker 1: five because I read it a lot these last few
Speaker 1: weeks while.
Speaker 7: I've been traveling for the holiday for Thanksgiving, and it
Speaker 7: like extended my time on vacation because it every second
Speaker 7: you spend with the book feels like an hour.
Speaker 1: So I was able to feel like I got more
Speaker 1: of a holiday in because time stands still.
Speaker 6: When you read, you see kind of a stressful holiday.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would want to extend it.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna give this a one out of
Speaker 2: five because I'm the only real person, you know, because
Speaker 2: I just like, honestly going into like a legal thriller,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh this, I went back when, you know,
Speaker 2: when I took my l SAT and I was like,
Speaker 2: I love blah and political science and Supreme Court and stuff.
Speaker 2: I was like, this sounds like something that would like
Speaker 2: be totally up my alley and like blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But it was like, oh god, no, oh god, no,
Speaker 2: oh god no. It made me somehow feel stupid. But
Speaker 2: then also I was like, but this is also boring,
Speaker 2: and it's so long, and I don't know what happened,
Speaker 2: And even hearing you guys talk about what happened, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I kind of vaguely remember that, but it's like I
Speaker 2: don't think it that I forgot it. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't even know who i'd recommend this to, Like one
Speaker 2: out I mean, I gets a one because the main
Speaker 2: character was not white. That's that's where you're getting your
Speaker 2: one from one out of five.
Speaker 3: I'm and just I think it's clear what she meant readers,
Speaker 3: but that was it gets a point because of that,
Speaker 3: not it's a one star because.
Speaker 2: It gets the point. It earned a point for doing
Speaker 2: something good, which was not casting a classical main character,
Speaker 2: so they had some diversity. So there, thank you for
Speaker 2: letting me clarify that.
Speaker 4: Non white character. Hate it, No, I am gonna give it.
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna have to give it a five
Speaker 3: out of five because what is wrong? I really, I
Speaker 3: just felt a connection to the person who rerack mended
Speaker 3: it to us, and I want that person to circle
Speaker 3: back a little more. I might advise that person to
Speaker 3: talk to the friend who recommended it and let that
Speaker 3: person know that there are other books that you can
Speaker 3: read that are better. But for the connection with the
Speaker 3: beautiful and brilliant recommender, it's going to get a five
Speaker 3: out of five.
Speaker 6: So for your own little bit, all right, giving your
Speaker 6: own little bit of five.
Speaker 4: Sure know what you're talking about?
Speaker 2: All right? Great? Great? Great? All right, Blake, please talk
Speaker 2: some sense.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think for me, much like the term mind screen.
Speaker 8: At first I thought it was deep and interesting, and
Speaker 8: then it just turned out to be a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 8: So it's a one out of five for me. This
Speaker 8: gave me a panic attack while I was on vacation.
Speaker 8: This is crazy fun for.
Speaker 3: Parts, well, I guess majority rules and that makes it
Speaker 3: a five out of five.
Speaker 2: So that's not I mean, if you're taking the media
Speaker 2: and yes, you're right, that's what. Yeah, yeah, in the mean,
Speaker 2: that's no, not the mean.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry, I meant the mode.
Speaker 2: I meant the mode.
Speaker 4: It's the mode.
Speaker 1: This is this kind of bullshit. I would have had
Speaker 1: a long conversation about all.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, I want to hear Blake, what's what's
Speaker 2: what do you have?
Speaker 8: Okay? So I have gone through every season of Mean
Speaker 8: book Club episodes that's.
Speaker 2: Insane, and I.
Speaker 8: Have tallied I listened to the ends because I was
Speaker 8: I had a specific goal. I have tallied every vote
Speaker 8: for little Fucker.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 8: So I have in front of me statistically, who is
Speaker 8: currently the little of the podcast. Now, before I get
Speaker 8: to the main event, I just want to some honorable mentions.
Speaker 8: These are guests little fuckers. We had Maggie Bowery, Joey Price,
Speaker 8: Brad Einstein, Amy Ludkin, Kelly mccadams, Ernest Hemingway was little
Speaker 8: fucker of the podcast.
Speaker 1: You as.
Speaker 8: The kids in high school who tried to take valedictorian
Speaker 8: from Sabrina were a little fucker of the podcast. And uh,
Speaker 8: I'm sure you'll remember when Sarah and her mom were
Speaker 8: voted little fucker on the podcast on the same episode.
Speaker 2: My mom was there. Yeah, it wasn't even like, you know,
Speaker 2: she couldn't hear she was yeah, yeah, it was Oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 8: Classic. So this is this is I'm going to go
Speaker 8: from Lois ran little.
Speaker 4: Can we guess?
Speaker 8: You can totally guess. Do you want to guess who's
Speaker 8: who's the top little fucker? Do you want to go
Speaker 8: one by one?
Speaker 4: I want to go one by one the time?
Speaker 2: Are we starting with the lowest to the most?
Speaker 8: What are we were starting with Lois?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I think Clara, Clara is least little fucker.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm the most beloved.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not why I think it's I.
Speaker 3: Think it could be me, but maybe I'm second low
Speaker 3: if I.
Speaker 2: See the thing.
Speaker 8: Okay, it is in fact, Clara, you're the least little fucker.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Like me, what's her number? What's her number?
Speaker 8: So she has a total of sixty three votes and
Speaker 8: a total of twenty four wins?
Speaker 2: Wow, more wins? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, I'm gonna say Serena is next.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I don't know if she me, but.
Speaker 4: It could be Sarah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I I.
Speaker 6: The wrong way sometime to.
Speaker 4: Be a little fucker.
Speaker 3: But I think I think I've been little fucker zero
Speaker 3: times when I didn't.
Speaker 2: Look were the two and three is the only things
Speaker 2: we're not sure about. We all know who's number. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is what will the real reveals.
Speaker 12: So third least fuck or like third most fucker whatever,
Speaker 12: second least is Sarah with sixty seven votes and twenty
Speaker 12: six wins.
Speaker 4: Wow close, We're quite close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Okay, it's gonna be such a blowout. Okay,
Speaker 1: what are Sabrina?
Speaker 4: Really close?
Speaker 3: Sixty four to sixty seven and twenty four to twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six.
Speaker 8: So the next person, yeah, I will say yeah. The
Speaker 8: next person had seventy nine votes and twenty seven wins.
Speaker 13: Also very close, really close, more votes and more Wow,
Speaker 13: I say the name that I think we all know
Speaker 13: is coming with ninety six votes and thirty seven wins.
Speaker 8: The only person to ever get five votes.
Speaker 9: On a single episode, The only person to ever get
Speaker 9: unanimously voted little fucker because she had food poisoning, the
Speaker 9: only person to bribe a vote for an entire season
Speaker 9: with chocolate colored strawberries.
Speaker 8: I think this sums it up best of all. A
Speaker 8: quote from Clara quote when I said people should go
Speaker 8: get COVID tests, Jona said I was boring. You are
Speaker 8: the little fucker of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Wow, I hate out close. They all are like little
Speaker 1: friends down there sometimes vote for somebody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. It's just like Clara, I mean,
Speaker 2: like Johna just always is asking for it, like she's
Speaker 2: always campaigning so strong.
Speaker 1: Welllake, I really appreciate you doing this because I think
Speaker 1: it gives everybody something to think about and reflect on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like clearly a wrong has been done
Speaker 1: and now we know and it's right there.
Speaker 6: It's weird that the rest of us are so close.
Speaker 6: I thought I add more of a safety net. Really,
Speaker 6: so I get think That's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like we see that there's an imbalance,
Speaker 1: we see that someone is targeted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I maybe shouldn't have said that's what Johna thinks that
Speaker 6: I should just say, that's what little fun.
Speaker 4: Wow, we should record.
Speaker 8: One.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is so fun. I'm having her. Are we
Speaker 2: doing a little fuck her now or we just are
Speaker 2: we doing an actual one for this episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it, Okay, Because I was at first
Speaker 2: going to vote, I mean quite obvious. I was going
Speaker 2: to vote quite obviously for Sabrina for this one obvious
Speaker 2: read this.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and that whole little thing with the email
Speaker 6: that's so obviously her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of good reasons.
Speaker 6: For her into it. She was hostile early on, just
Speaker 6: to you just hey, but people don't like like that.
Speaker 2: Then I was like thinking about how funny it is
Speaker 2: how Johnna is always a little fucker and Claire me
Speaker 2: that really good joke, and it makes me want to
Speaker 2: vote for Johnna again. So I'm like a little bit
Speaker 2: struggling here. I don't know if anybody wants to go before.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Johnna.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, as much fuck.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have a lot of people I want to
Speaker 1: vote for. Serena was way high for dragging out that
Speaker 1: little oh who recommended the book. I won't say a name.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this recommendation. It was her all episode.
Speaker 2: She really was.
Speaker 1: Claire, I haven't appreciated how much you've reveled in being
Speaker 1: the least little fucker by a hair. You're all the same.
Speaker 6: You're all, okay, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, the person that really pissed me off was you're
Speaker 1: reading this little list of names, Blake, and then you say,
Speaker 1: before I get to the person whose name we all know,
Speaker 1: how I'm gonna say it just knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, you really twisted the knife and you didn't
Speaker 1: need to. You could have acted sad about it. You
Speaker 1: could have acted like it was wrong or maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe said something like I had to count twice
Speaker 1: because I thought I miscounted.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to go back and listen to every
Speaker 3: episode of Mean Book Club again.
Speaker 1: My little fucker is Blake.
Speaker 6: I like the way I bet you it.
Speaker 2: Was perfect one for john on one for Blake.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm ready to vote, and I will say first
Speaker 3: and foremost.
Speaker 4: I know that to the naked eyes, And it might.
Speaker 3: Not seem like second most little fucker or third least
Speaker 3: little fucker is a place of honor because it's kind
Speaker 3: of in the middle, but it actually really is quite
Speaker 3: a place of honor because it means that I get
Speaker 3: a lot of attention when I watched Open.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 3: But it's just like Johnna, like she like throws herself
Speaker 3: on the mat to be a little fucker, and.
Speaker 4: I don't really do that.
Speaker 2: It's just okay, is for locking it.
Speaker 3: This was my time and I was thinking about who
Speaker 3: I was going to vote for, but you interrupted my time.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to stick and then I'm gonna stick
Speaker 3: to it. I've got to vote for Joanna, not because
Speaker 3: it's funny, but because she told me that chatchbut is
Speaker 3: like leaving a light on for two years straight and
Speaker 3: I'll never unknow that. And now I can never use
Speaker 3: chatchy bet again.
Speaker 2: So or you just leave lights on, it's not a
Speaker 2: big deal. That's also a takeaway you.
Speaker 4: I can't do both.
Speaker 1: Question and then you could turn off the light that
Speaker 1: you use every day and never use that light again.
Speaker 4: Reason Well, I'm gonna run out in four days.
Speaker 1: I got like four loves, four questions, then better make
Speaker 1: them count.
Speaker 4: What's this ring camera?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 3: I gotta turn it off? Which I don't know why
Speaker 3: I was told to buy a ring camera.
Speaker 4: No one else is doing it.
Speaker 1: Blake, who's your little fucker?
Speaker 8: My little fucker, Sabrina for that, for that whole thing
Speaker 8: that just happened. I was gonna vote for her for
Speaker 8: the book. Yeah, but I've switched my rationale to whatever
Speaker 8: that was. Just now that's what I'm voting for.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty eight baby?
Speaker 8: Did you ever thought it for Sabrina?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So do we have? Wait, so we have.
Speaker 6: It's two for Jona, two for Sabrina.
Speaker 8: Yeah, one for Blake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is two for Joanna, two for Thrien. All right,
Speaker 2: well I guess that's a tie. Congratulations, you're both little fucker.
Speaker 2: Wait what's the other one for? It was for Blake?
Speaker 4: Johna, Oh, Blake, Johanna.
Speaker 1: I could change it to Sabrina, is it?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: You can't change you can when you hear the result, make.
Speaker 3: Me not.
Speaker 4: Blake could have done at that moment is vote for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's just I just feel like he, you know,
Speaker 1: screwed me twice. Here. Now here's my little fucker. If
Speaker 1: he wasn't already, he certainly is now by me voting
Speaker 1: for tricking me into voting for him, thus making me
Speaker 1: the little fucker is complete?
Speaker 2: All right, what chess game? All right?
Speaker 1: Guys, my last.
Speaker 2: Do we have? This is our final episode of the
Speaker 2: cast again of the season, of the season, so patreons,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Please, if you're listening, and you're
Speaker 2: still listening to this, please become a Patreon. You'll get
Speaker 2: episodes without commercials, how special for you, and probably some
Speaker 2: other stuff. Does anybody have any plugs? Blake specifically, you
Speaker 2: are our guest. What would you like to plug?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I want to plug the Patreon. We've had free
Speaker 8: episodes and more content coming, so go go pay money
Speaker 8: for that. We love it. And uh yeah, my band
Speaker 8: Goldbloom put out a record this year called for Money
Speaker 8: and Power, so you can check that out on Spotify
Speaker 8: or bandkip wherever you get music.
Speaker 2: We'll link to that in the notes.
Speaker 1: That's awesome putting that album.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Blake. Please remember to link to that in
Speaker 2: the notes.
Speaker 1: And also we've had Blake. I'm just gonna tell you
Speaker 1: first that I know we've had a ton of technical
Speaker 1: difficulties this episode. Some of them have even affected Blake's
Speaker 1: own audio, not through his fault, in our fault. And
Speaker 1: so when when you're editing this, I guess just like
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And if you're listening to this, just know
Speaker 1: that he worked a lot of magic whatever he did
Speaker 1: to make it sound like it does.
Speaker 2: It parts all right, but my God will miss you. Guys.
Speaker 2: Please email us, send us your rex for next season,
Speaker 2: because we're immediately going to start figuring those out and
Speaker 2: get right on that. So please send us a link
Speaker 2: with the New York Times bestseller because we do not
Speaker 2: want to do the research.
Speaker 4: Please immediately. We'll take a break.
Speaker 1: Forgot's say, we need a break.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to pretend that we like do this
Speaker 2: is like important to us.
Speaker 1: It is important to us.
Speaker 3: It's very important, and that's why I want to come
Speaker 3: in fresh my self.
Speaker 2: Care Yeah, oh my god, you know what, Well, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm going to sleep without a bad book.
Speaker 1: Well, so if I'm probably next. I'm reading the Maris
Speaker 1: Presley's memoir right now and it's not well written, but
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Did you talk about this last week? Did
Speaker 1: I tell you guys last No, there's one part in
Speaker 1: the book she's she's musician herself, and she was doing
Speaker 1: concerts and people were showing up to her concerts dressed
Speaker 1: as Elvis. So before she went on stage, she had
Speaker 1: to peek through the curtain to prepare herself mentally because
Speaker 1: there were people in the crowd dressed up like her
Speaker 1: dead dad watching her.
Speaker 6: Say.
Speaker 1: Just one little detail from the book, which is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, imagine of your performance, so there's just
Speaker 1: five people that look like your dead dad standing in
Speaker 1: front of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But also like, why is she getting to do
Speaker 2: that performance? That's because of her dead dad. So I
Speaker 2: don't know and.
Speaker 1: Had a hard life. I mean, if you read the memoir,
Speaker 1: you'd know some of us haven't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right everyone, we'll see you you wish she.
Speaker 1: Could change your We'll see you all soon.
Speaker 3: Love you, Go see Wicked.
Speaker 2: We got it in