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Every week, 47 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.520 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 48 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.560 killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 49 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.120 journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 50 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:53.319 Good Evening. The remote farming community of Murdoch, Nebraska, seem 51 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.400 to be the least likely setting for one of the 52 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:00.840 Heartland's most ruthless and bloody double murders in decades. In fact, 53 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.280 the little town had gone more than a century without 54 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.719 a single homicide. But on the night of Easter two 55 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.639 thousand and six, Wayne and Sharman Stock were brutally murdered 56 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.759 in their own home. The murders garnered sensational front page 57 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:19.680 headlines and drew immediate state wide attention. Practically everybody around 58 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:24.080 Murdoch was filled with fear, panic, and outrage. Who killed 59 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:28.159 Wayne and Sharman Stock? What was their motive? The Stocks 60 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.080 were the essence of Nebraska's All American farm family, felt made, 61 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:36.039 God fearing and of high moral character. Barely a week 62 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:39.120 into this double murder investigation, two arrests brought a sense 63 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:42.759 of relief to the victim's family into local residence. The 64 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.120 case appeared to fall neatly into place when a tiny 65 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.439 speck of murder victim Wayne Stock's blood appeared in the 66 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:53.080 alleged getaway car. Then an obscure clewe left at the 67 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:56.120 crime scene took the investigation down a totally different path, 68 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.360 stretching into Iowa, Louisiana, New York, Texas, and Wiscon Jhnson. 69 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:04.199 By the time this investigation was over, the charges against 70 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.919 the original suspects were dismissed and two new individuals emerged 71 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:11.639 from the shadows. Author John Ferrick covered the Stock murders 72 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.800 from the very beginning, including all of the trial proceedings. 73 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.319 When the criminal prosecution finally ended in two thousand and seven, 74 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:23.360 he remained puzzled by one nagging question, why was the 75 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.279 blood of victim Wayne Stock in a car that was 76 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.639 ultimately proven to have no connection to the murders. Over 77 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.079 the next few years, the astonishing, bloodied lies were revealed, 78 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.399 culminating in a law enforcement scandal that turned the case 79 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.879 on its head and destroyed the career of Nebraska's celebrated 80 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:44.720 CSI director David Koefd. The book that we're featuring this 81 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:49.240 evening is Bloody Lies, a CSI Scandal in the Heartland, 82 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.519 with my special guest, investigative journalist and author, John Ferrick. 83 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:56.560 Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for 84 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:57.519 agreen to his interview. 85 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:01.920 John Ferrick, Thanks fam Dan, very happy to be here. 86 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:06.720 Thank you very much. Incredible book and an incredible case. 87 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:10.279 And let's get right to this. Normally I asked people 88 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.920 why they felt compelled to write this book. In this case, 89 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.600 let me ask the question about your background and your 90 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:22.639 connection to this area and to this story, and your 91 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:27.639 personal background as an investigative journalist, and to tell us why, 92 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:30.480 without asking that question, why you felt compelled to write 93 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.720 this book. So give us your background and your connection 94 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.480 to this area and this story. 95 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.759 Yeah, Dan, let's see long and short. I grew up 96 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.879 in Juliet in Plainfield, Illinois, and at a young age, 97 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.600 pretty much fourteen or fifteen, I set my sights on 98 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:48.920 becoming a journalist. At that point in time, I was 99 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:53.399 interested in sports. Went to college at Eastern Illinois University 100 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:59.399 and really became interested in enamored with investigative journalism and 101 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.399 our hard news coverage and that's kind of where my 102 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.519 professional career went from from there on. Ounce I always 103 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.959 took a strong interest in investigative reporting public spending, but 104 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.680 then I also realized that public safety. Covering the court 105 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.680 system was really fascinating to me, and I was really 106 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:23.600 interested in digging into cases and really learning more and 107 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:27.720 more and more about the criminal justice system, learning about 108 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:32.639 law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, just how the whole 109 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.560 system operated. And I had covered a case or kind 110 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.199 of picked up the end of this case when I 111 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.959 was at my first job in South Bend, Indiana, where 112 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.600 I was a regional reporter, and there was a case 113 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.600 involving a man named Edgar Garrett, and ed Garrett went 114 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:56.040 on trial for a murder of his daughter. And what 115 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.439 was really fascinating about the case is, though, the first 116 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.240 case that the county prosecutor had lost in that county 117 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.240 in twenty five years, and it was because of the 118 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.959 videotape confession of the suspect that really blew up in 119 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.439 the prosecutor's space. The confession didn't match with the real 120 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.319 evidence in the case, and it turned out that this 121 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:23.759 Edgar Garrett was coerced into making false confessions. So that 122 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.680 case kind of always stuck with me because I at 123 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.360 that point in time, I had heard a lot of 124 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.800 people say, there's no way anybody would ever confess to 125 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.959 a murder that didn't do it. So years later, two 126 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.920 thousand and six. By that point in time, I had 127 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.959 been working as a regional reporter and doing a lot 128 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:47.160 of investigative journalism at the Omaha World Herald, which is 129 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:53.439 Nebraska's largest newspaper, and part of my area of coverage 130 00:07:53.959 --> 00:08:00.360 was southeastern Nebraska and a lot of small towns. These 131 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.680 talents had five hundred to one thousand people. The county 132 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:09.279 seat had about seven thousand people. The county itself was 133 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.720 about twenty five thousand. This is an area about twenty 134 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:17.240 miles twenty five miles south of Omaha, which is a 135 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.079 big metropolitan city of about five hundred thousand. The metro 136 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.639 areas about a million people. But when you get to 137 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:28.600 Platsmiths in Cass County, you're really kind of in farm 138 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:32.879 country in Nebraska. And that's this whole area where I 139 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.759 was part of my coverage area where I really kind 140 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.440 of cherry picked for the biggest and best stories that 141 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.080 I thought would have regional impact and be of interest 142 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:47.279 across the whole state of Nebraska, and some of those 143 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:52.960 cases involved criminal justice and crimes, and that's kind of 144 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:57.200 what happened here. Whereas by two thousand and six I 145 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.960 knew a lot of the law enforcement officials pretty well 146 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:02.159 well first name basis, you know, they knew me, and 147 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.080 likewise the same way with the prosecutor in the court 148 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:10.799 court official fan And it was just a shock on Monday, 149 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.639 the day after Easter, when word got out later in 150 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.039 the day that there happened to be a double murder 151 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:21.639 outside of Murdach, Nebraska, a town of about two hundred 152 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:26.519 and seventy people. It just just everybody was jarred and 153 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.120 Florida and couldn't believe it. And you know, and I 154 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.240 knew just again, based on several years as a reporter 155 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.799 and an investigative journalists, my instincts went up, and I 156 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.480 knew that this was an important story that needed to 157 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:40.000 be covered. 158 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:47.840 Now. Part of this importance and is also the nature 159 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.720 of the murder itself. So for our audience, if you 160 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:57.080 don't mind, tell us the details of the actual murder itself. 161 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:03.279 The crime police, what officials, what officials actually found, don't 162 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.159 give too much away, but what officials, well not officials 163 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.159 found because tell us who discovered the bodies and what 164 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:12.399 was discovered. 165 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.759 It was, you know, it was around nine in the morning, 166 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.159 and and Andy Stack, who was in his mid to 167 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.960 late twenties at the time. Andy, Andy was a farmer. 168 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:27.879 His father was a farmer, and the Stacks lived on 169 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:31.000 a pretty good sized farm about thousand acres or so 170 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.000 out in rural Murdoch, Nebraska. They ran, uh, they ran 171 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.320 a they ran a stock hay company, which was a 172 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.840 pretty good little, uh, you know, hey, hey, alf alfa business. 173 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.600 And so Andy went out to the farm on Monday 174 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.279 morning to go to work help his dad out. And 175 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.919 he gets to the farmhouse and and there's no activity, 176 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.320 which is unusual because mom and dad usually got up 177 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:00.600 pretty early. And so Andy's looking around for his mom, 178 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:06.639 Sharman Stock, aged fifty five, and his father Wayne, who's 179 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.120 fifty eight, and can't find them anywhere throughout the house, 180 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.240 which is unusual. So he goes around, goes outside, figuring 181 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.320 maybe his dad's out tinkering with, you know, with one 182 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:22.080 of the farm machinery or tractors, checks the outbuildings and 183 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.559 can't find his father out there either. Eventually, Andy goes upstairs, 184 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.440 figuring maybe his dad's upstairs. He had an office upstairs 185 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:35.000 where he did a lot of his paperwork for the 186 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.960 farm business. And and no sooner does Andy start to 187 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.320 get up the stairs, but he finds his father face 188 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:46.320 down in a pool of blood, I mean, just a 189 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:51.360 horrific pool of blood. And there's a handful of red 190 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:57.840 shotgun shells sprawled across the body and actually another live 191 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.240 shell actually that was that was left on the on 192 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:04.000 the on the carpet. So Andy just is terrified, obviously, 193 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:08.039 and it just runs back out, back down the stairs 194 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.679 and eventually runs out to his truck and uh and 195 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.840 pick grabs his cell phone and calls UH, calls nine 196 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.799 one one. And that's what caused law enforcement Cass County 197 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:23.279 Sheriff's office and eventually the Nebraska State Patrol and eventually 198 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:28.759 the Douglass County Crime LAMB to all respond within minutes 199 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.440 to you know, over several hours, uh to you know, 200 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.879 spend uh to descend upon the property in the farmhouse. Uh. 201 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.200 This just bloody awful carnage that had just taken place 202 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.200 in an area of uh Murdoch, in an area of 203 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.039 Nebraska that just was totally totally unexpected. Dan. 204 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.600 Now, no, the police are called, and so what did 205 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.159 they find? What are they determine in terms of the murder, 206 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.879 how that these these this couple was murdered. What was 207 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:57.399 the weapon? 208 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:57.799 Uh? 209 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.960 Tell us about those first details that they encounter and 210 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.240 the and the actually grizzly sight. Uh so what do 211 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:05.879 they encounter? 212 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:10.320 Well, when they get there, they they ultimately go up 213 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:14.960 the stairs and again Andy, Andy had only found his father. 214 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.600 He was so horrified by what happened that, you know, 215 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:21.480 he ran down the stairs. So his mom was still missing. 216 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.000 Nobody knew where she was at. At first, the thinking 217 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.039 was maybe she drove up the road but to visit family, 218 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.960 but her car was still in the driveway. Cass County 219 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:35.519 Sheriff's Office gets to the scene. They searched the property. Eventually, 220 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.720 well the obvious they went up the stairs and they 221 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.559 found Wayne Stock in a pool of blood and and 222 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.759 it was just a horrific sight. His head had been 223 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.519 he had taken at least two he had taken two 224 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:56.120 shots to the back of his head and uh just 225 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.360 basically maybe the back of his head was blown up off. 226 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:06.440 Blood was everywhere throughout the walls. He's like, I said 227 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.000 he was sprawled up kind of tied up or tangled 228 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:14.279 up in his bed sheets. He was a Russell. He 229 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:19.159 was asleep shortly before this. Uh, this horrific intrusion had occurred. 230 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.000 The Cass County Sheriff's office eventually worked their way into 231 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.080 the bedroom and that's where they found Wayne's wife, Charman, 232 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:33.440 and she was found along the bedside, tangled up in 233 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.559 uh in a in a telephone. It turned out that 234 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:40.039 she was trying to make a desperate call to nine 235 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.879 one one to notify the sheriff's office. So I don't 236 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.919 know if I law enforcement that that there were invaders 237 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:52.039 that that had entered their bedroom and arched into the 238 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:55.960 room in the middle of the night. But the killers 239 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.039 were able to uh shoot her through the middle of 240 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.799 her face and she just fell down and died instantly, 241 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.639 one single shot. Now, it was pretty clear based on 242 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:12.000 the crime scene what kind of weapon was involved in this. 243 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:16.559 It was it was for sure a shotgun, and it 244 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.840 was pretty obvious it was also a twelve gage shotgun 245 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:23.759 as well. Dan just based on the fact that there 246 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:28.000 were several shelves that were left at the crime scene 247 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.320 that law enforcement was able to collect and retreat from 248 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.799 the crime scene. And they also knew that this was 249 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:38.399 not a murder suicide because the shotgun that was used 250 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.159 in the crime was nowhere to be found. So law 251 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:45.000 enforcement had some key evidence that was left at the 252 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.480 crime scene, so they didn't need to spend an incredible 253 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.200 amount of time trying to figure out, you know, this 254 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.879 was a pistol or you know, or a certain type 255 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.840 of handgun. They clearly knew what kind of weapon this 256 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.399 was that they were looking for, and based on the 257 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.799 crime scene, just based on how bloody and uh and 258 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.960 awful things were, it was clear that that the Stokes 259 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.919 were taken by surprise. They were still wearing their pajamas, 260 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.320 so it was it was pretty obvious that they were 261 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.720 killed sometime late at night or in the middle of 262 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.039 the night after they had gone to sleep. 263 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.559 Now, was there any what was the evidence pointing to 264 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.720 in terms of number of weapons or number of perpetrators 265 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.440 before we get into any and was there any evidence 266 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.759 of theft as a motive? 267 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.919 The let me back up on that. That's still the 268 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:48.320 great questions. The evidence of of multiple intruders that becomes 269 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.399 clear by the end of the day of the first 270 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.080 by the end of the day, on the first day 271 00:16:55.080 --> 00:17:00.720 of the investigation, the crime lab that was ultimately was 272 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.879 called into to help process the scene and collect evidence. 273 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.000 They had done this before, and they were smart enough 274 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:13.160 to realize that in the upstairs hallway where Wayne Stock's 275 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:18.440 body was found, and it's a narrow hallway, white walls, 276 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.400 but there was an outline or a silhouette of a 277 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:28.160 human being, and it was clear to the crime scene analysts, 278 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:33.079 the bloodstained experts, that this was a shadow or silhouette 279 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.440 of a second person. This person had to be standing 280 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.640 off to the side at the time that their co 281 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.799 conspirator or accomplice had fired one of the shots into 282 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:48.519 the back of Wayne's head. So it becomes clear that 283 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.480 there has to be two perpetrators involved in these crimes. 284 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.240 It wasn't immediately clear, though dan at that point in time, 285 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.400 that there were two guns. That doesn't become clear until 286 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.279 many many months later, actually, So law enforcement is working 287 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.960 off of the premise that there's two perpetrators, two people 288 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.400 that are there at the scene. They're still working off 289 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.200 of the theory though, that it's that it's one gun 290 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.200 and there's a twelve gage shotgun that that some that 291 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.279 somebody had used in these crimes. Now, your question about 292 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.519 was there any sign of robbery? I believe this he asked. 293 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:35.640 Right the back of the property really stood out to 294 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.359 the crime scene analysts. There was there was one window 295 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.720 in the back of the property, near the near Wayne 296 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:47.640 and Sharman stacks wooden patio. There was a window, and 297 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.200 this was a window that led to their laundry room. 298 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:55.039 And this window was propped open. And not only that, 299 00:18:55.799 --> 00:19:00.640 but the screen, the the exterior screen for this window 300 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.519 had been pried off and was just left, uh, laying 301 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.119 in a in a bed of rocks right underneath the 302 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.640 uh the window. In closer examination of this, uh, this 303 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:17.000 window screen showed that clearly somebody had had taken it 304 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:18.960 off or you know, kind of punctured a little hole 305 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.480 into it, which ultimately would have helped them pry it off. 306 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.079 And uh So one of the crime scene analysts was 307 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.960 taking several photographs of the property that was part of 308 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.720 his assignment. And and frankly a specialty, and he was 309 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.079 asking around, you know, as far as he clearly was 310 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.000 focused and and uh and really interested in this in 311 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.039 this window because as he would say later, this was 312 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.839 about the only thing and that really stood out on 313 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.880 the exterior of the property. That really was unusual, and 314 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.680 uh and and and seemed to inferred that this is 315 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.440 the point of entry for whoever the intruders slash killers were. 316 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:06.960 But for whatever reason, some of the local sheriff's investigators 317 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.480 really kind of waved them off basically as far as 318 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.519 you know, just indicated to him that this window. Don't 319 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.839 really spend your time, you know, focused in on this window. 320 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.400 It really didn't fit their theory that they were working 321 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.480 off of as far as how the murders and how 322 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.640 the intrusion happened. They flipped the they worked off of 323 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.119 the premise at the front door, which the interior door 324 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.960 was left wide open. They were convinced that the killer 325 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.519 had just walked right into the killers, I should say, 326 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:42.880 but had walked right in through the front door and 327 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.839 went up the stairs, found Wayne and Sharman in their 328 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.160 bed and just blew them away at point blank range 329 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.599 with a twelve gate shotgun, and then you know, ran 330 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.480 out or scampered scampered down the stairs and ran back 331 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.799 out the house. And part of the reason why I 332 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.599 think that they've worked off of that theory from the 333 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.200 get go was the fact that all the other rooms 334 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.960 in the farmhouse if you looked around, you know, most 335 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.519 starting with the kitchen, Wayne ands and the living room, 336 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.519 dining room, everywhere else. Wayne and Sharman Stock had a 337 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:24.000 very immaculate and tidy farmhouse. And this was a nice farmhouse. 338 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:28.279 They had been in the family for several generations. It 339 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.039 was nineteen a lets early nineteen hundreds home, and it 340 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.160 had actually undergone some renovations over the years too, so 341 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.039 it really looked nice and it was a nice house. 342 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.920 And even when law enforcement got to the farmhouse to 343 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:47.799 investigate the murders, the rest of the house was immaculate, 344 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.480 and that signified to the law to the cops that 345 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.799 whoever did this crime must have clearly been intent on revenge. 346 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.680 And there didn't seem like that there was anything of 347 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.960 value that was stolen. None of the rooms were ransacked. 348 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.680 There was no obvious sign that any money had been 349 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.559 taken or any jewel In fact, yeah, Wayne Charman's Charman 350 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.079 Stacks jewelry was left out and planed view just a 351 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:18.359 couple of feet away from her body, and and Wayne's 352 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.160 wallet was right across the hallway from his body, and 353 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.119 in his computer just in his office area, and again 354 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.200 none of them, no money was taken. So so law 355 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.920 enforcement worked off of the theory that this was not 356 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:35.559 about robbery dan uh and uh, and they worked off 357 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:38.480 the theory that this clearly had to be some type 358 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:44.799 of premeditated orchestrated, well planned out double murder that happened 359 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:46.480 in the middle of the night. That's the way it 360 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:48.440 seemed to them at first. 361 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:51.880 Let me go back just a little bit because I 362 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:56.039 think it's a little bit important to to ask you 363 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:01.559 where the stocks Wayne and Charman her earlier in the evening, 364 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:06.279 and then to ask this question because I think it's important, 365 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.839 where did the police have this idea that the door 366 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.319 was open? And did they get any kind of that 367 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:18.119 idea from having the son Andy go there earlier and 368 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.599 go in that door? And did he tell them that 369 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.279 the door was open, did he had unlocked it, did 370 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:26.559 he have a key? What was the information he gave 371 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.599 to them? And how if you can tell us, how 372 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.920 would they have thought that that was the entry point? 373 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:38.359 Well, the first part of your question to as far 374 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:42.680 as where people were at earlier, earlier before the murder, 375 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:49.559 Wayne AND's Charmon's. Wayne and Charman were at Wayne's mother's place, 376 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.160 which is just around the bend, probably a quarter mile 377 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.440 or so away. She lived on a farm or actually 378 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.279 her house was right around the bend, and the and 379 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.759 the Stock family had had a family gathering on Easter 380 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:09.319 Sunday over there. There was about let's say, no more 381 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:13.680 than ten to twelve relatives that were over there, including 382 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:21.119 Wayne's only sister, Barb Libers and her husband Dave, and 383 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:27.359 their oldest son, Matt lives so Wayne's nephew was at 384 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:31.920 this family gathering. And the family gathering broke up around 385 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.480 dinner time, I think four thirty or five o'clock or so. 386 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:39.720 And from there Wayne and Charman went back to their 387 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:45.039 house and they had some of their grandkids over around 388 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.799 dinner time and did some Easter egg hunts around the 389 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.079 property and you know, just had a great time with 390 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:56.759 their grandkids, you know, before ultimately you know, retiring to 391 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.960 bed around ten ten thirty or so. Let's see, uh, 392 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.680 what was the other part of your your your question. 393 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.400 When Andy when Andy Andy went there the next morning 394 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.359 and looked around and finally entered the house. Did he 395 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.519 have a key to the house or was the door unlocked? 396 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:16.279 How did he find the house to try to surmise 397 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.400 why the police would dismiss the idea that they came 398 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:21.359 through a window. They must have been pretty positive at 399 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.640 that door. Why would they think that What was the 400 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.319 information that Andy gave them regarding how he got there? 401 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.960